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mike_hearn
2024-10-11T08:47:12
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It&#x27;s possible that fields can fluctuate in how scientific they are over time.<p>Physics has in the past been a case study of how to successfully deploy the scientific method, but modern physics is often criticized from within for spending all its time on mathematical &quot;theories&quot; that can&#x27;t actually be tested, something conventionally considered unscientific. Epidemiology was once built on basic scientific observation, it&#x27;s now also disappeared down the drain-hole of endless mathematics without real world hypothesis testing.<p>Medicine in contrast spent a lot of time being unscientific in the past, and is now much more rigorous. The problems here are usually fraud done in aid of avoiding the scientific method without being detected, rather than the actual lack of a scientific method at all.<p>And some fields have got more scientific over time, or at least more quantitative. Economics and education are like this.
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oneeyedpigeon
2024-10-11T08:47:29
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This is &quot;football (soccer)&quot; rather than &quot;football (American) or soccer&quot;, right?
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opan
2024-10-11T08:47:34
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Have you considered selling your machine and getting an M2 of some sort?
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7bit
2024-10-11T08:47:44
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Types are great, but I prefer Not having to transpile everything. Stepping throught the TS Code with a Debugger ist non trivial.
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globular-toast
2024-10-11T08:47:46
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Yes. I like to use type annotations on functions because it&#x27;s documentation. If you use good names then it makes docstrings redundant. I&#x27;m thinking something like this:<p><pre><code> def bounding_box(points: list[Point]) -&gt; Box: ... </code></pre> A decent IDE will be able to quickly jump to definition of those Box and Point etc. if you need it. This is much better than having a docstring and having to look stuff up manually. The fact you can run a static type checker like mypy is a bonus!<p>I also really like being able to document the imperative code like `def do_thing() -&gt; None`. Of course, it&#x27;s completely up to the programmer to follow the rule of not doing side effects in routines that return something.<p>But having to do it everywhere? Ugh. I don&#x27;t think people realise how powerful duck typing is for doing polymorphic code. I can write something like:<p><pre><code> def mean(things): return sum(things)&#x2F;len(things) </code></pre> And I don&#x27;t care what concrete type you pass me as long as it supports `sum` and `len`. What am I going to do, define an ABC or typing.Protocol called `ListLike` or something? Hell no, I&#x27;ve got better things to do.<p>But of course learning when to define static types vs when not to comes down to experience. Python treats you like an adult. I feel like a lot of people who want static typing everywhere want it as training wheels for other devs they don&#x27;t trust to make the right judgement calls.
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IshKebab
2024-10-11T08:48:01
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Have you ever <i>tried</i> static typing though? I suspect you don&#x27;t know what you&#x27;re missing. Static types make Python way easier to understand.
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2024-10-11T08:48:10
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yakshaving_jgt
2024-10-11T08:48:34
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&gt; Like, you can declare a variable with var, let or const but there&#x27;s absolutely no reason to use var any more.<p>I am going to continue to use var for everything, because I think let and const are stupid.<p>It is not cool or interesting to learn about new scoping rules introduced by let, and it is not cool or interesting that so many people — especially juniors, but not exclusively — are lulled into a false sense of security by believing const means the referenced value is immutable, which it isn&#x27;t.<p>I am going to continue to write <i>small</i> JavaScript, like from <i>The Good Parts</i>.
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openrisk
2024-10-11T08:48:38
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I tried to like wagtail the way I love django but the chemistry didn&#x27;t work out :-). Indeed I think its more suited for serious publishers that can dedicate the resource to build something major.
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scott_w
2024-10-11T08:48:51
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&gt; Go isn&#x27;t a great example.<p>I picked Go as an example of a language that gets a lot of praise specifically for having strict compiler rules.<p>I&#x27;ve also tried Scala and found it clunky but I do suspect most of its problems came from the insane operator overloading and opaque build system rather than the type system. I understand it&#x27;s gotten better since I looked 8 years ago but I&#x27;ve not had a reason to check it out again.
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PhilKunz
2024-10-11T08:48:55
Escrow.com Not Supporting Wise.com?
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a_c
2024-10-11T08:49:02
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If automation is something that get done, but not by me. Then management is automation, globalization is automation, using other people&#x27;s code is automation, LLM is also automation. The central theme to me is that, what to do when things go wrong, how often and how badly. Clueless management don&#x27;t know what actual progress is, covid, single point of failure due to no longer maintained software, hallucination, etc
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dom96
2024-10-11T08:49:19
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You’re a fool tricked by another fool who shouts loudly that they support free speech while they ban speech left and right.<p>For goodness sake, ElonJet was banned and you can’t even say the word “cisgender” on the platform. How delusional are you?
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porbelm
2024-10-11T08:49:20
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They also use remote drivers though.
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benterix
2024-10-11T08:49:29
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It&#x27;s enough to think for a couple of seconds to realize it has nothing to do with population density, otherwise you could freely discuss politics in less populated areas of the States.<p>The real reason is that politics, and especially the two party system in most Western countries, is based on polarization, e.g. blaming the other party for all the evil of the world.<p>It&#x27;s not some abstract &quot;politics&quot;. For left-leaning, it&#x27;s about freedom for women to decide about their own body, about respect towards minorities and people coming from other countries, just to name a few. For right-leaning, it&#x27;s about protecting families, cultivating the tradition, prosperity of the country, the right to defend oneself etc. Politics became almost a new religion.
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nabi_nafio
2024-10-11T08:49:30
Facebook and Memcached – Tech Talk (2008)
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anon_e-moose
2024-10-11T08:49:31
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Nobody will declare war on their neighbour when they depend on them for food and other essential resources.<p>The EU addresses resource and cultural motivations.<p>NATO intimidates countries that already want to take resources from their neighbours.<p>NATO has its merit as well, but the EU is unarguably one of the main reasons why EU countries have not even begun to think about creating military conflict within member states since the 1950s.
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pavlov
2024-10-11T08:49:34
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For sure. It wasn’t my usual type of purchase, but more emotionally driven.<p>My dad, who is in his seventies and an early-adopter type, was really into Musk and FSD. I thought it would improve their quality of life to have access to this car, and I had recently found myself with the means to give back to my parents.
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oneeyedpigeon
2024-10-11T08:49:51
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I had to laugh at:<p>&gt; so macOS will take care of properly arranging your windows to their previous configuration.<p>That&#x27;s a definition of &quot;properly&quot; that I&#x27;m not familiar with.
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mdp2021
2024-10-11T08:50:07
State of the Software Supply Chain
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dangerlibrary
2024-10-11T08:50:09
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I would absolutely say that medicine is not science - or at least that it is very bad science with a low probability of being reproducible - and anyone with even tangential exposure to most medical research would do the same. Small sample sizes, confounding variables in treatment, and non-random assignment are the norm, simply because practicing medicine is not the same as performing scientific research.<p>Medicine is the practice of healing sick people, and (even if they wanted to, which most do not) it is very, very hard for doctors to convince an IRB that it&#x27;s a good idea to give sick people a placebo. Also, despite some attempts to perform placebo knee surgeries [0], there are many medical interventions where it is simply impossible to do things like a basic RCT.<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nejm.org&#x2F;doi&#x2F;full&#x2F;10.1056&#x2F;NEJMoa013259" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nejm.org&#x2F;doi&#x2F;full&#x2F;10.1056&#x2F;NEJMoa013259</a>
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627467
2024-10-11T08:50:17
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I have never seen devine mention where he hosts his website, and haven&#x27;t come across a uxn web server so I think the answer is &quot;no&quot;, it&#x27;s not <i>hosted</i> on uxn.<p>Would be cool to have a web hoster that follows some of the principles layed out by uxn&#x2F;100r and see what kind of service would turn out.
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arjunbahl
2024-10-11T08:50:17
Ask HN: Effective and low cost way to share WiFi with nearby low income areas
hi! i come from a relatively privileged family and i think with all the internet progress made so far (good quality learning ecosystem from YT&#x2F; courses&#x2F; etc + advanced knowledge curation from search engines&#x2F; LLMs, etc.) over and above the infrastructure layer we&#x27;re still lagging behind on democratizing of affordable infrastructure&#x2F; transport layer (home internet connections). Given its the backbone for connecting with world and enables one to extract knowledge, failure to democratize its access is regressive imo.<p>In my country most people from lower income strata use mobile data (~1GB per day) which may not be enough for a family of 4 with education needs, entertainment needs, etc. All these needs are important if we want them to sooner merge with mainstream society. More importantly, I sternly believe having diverse exposures to varied dimensions of society can come from increased travel and&#x2F;or from immersing in different cultures (exposure from good foreign entertainment content - Netflix&#x2F; and the likes, e-books, etc.).<p>Therefore, i want to start a side project to democratize underlying transport layer with support from community - basically leverage existing home wifi networks and extend them to nearby low income areas for free to use.<p>However, i&#x27;m not sure on whats the best way to approach it technically - mesh networks? access points?<p>Also, don&#x27;t think antenna&#x27;s with 5g&#x2F;4g is possible given regulatory permissions required.<p>Wanted to discuss and get your views on how such a project be undertaken, as well as, any learnings from past similar if undertaken by anyone.<p>Thanks!
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jainvivek
2024-10-11T08:50:35
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Yes, mine is a platform SaaS, and everyone automatically gets the latest version. Also it is a simple product targeted to a niche, so not many features in pipeline.
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skrebbel
2024-10-11T08:50:43
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I did not make my point well enough. I don&#x27;t mind that crypto is inscrutable, that&#x27;s fine (and unavoidable). Plenty other tech that I use every day is inscrutable (eg TCP, or HyperLogLog, or database query planners, or unicode text rendering, etc). I mind that <i>resources</i> about how to use crypto in software applications are often inscrutable, all the way down to library design, for no good reason. I mean stuff like:<p>- I learned the other day here on HN that SHA256 is vulnerable to a length extension attack, so if you want 256 bits of SHA goodness, you should use SHA512 and truncate it to 256 bits. This is terrible naming! Name the bad one &quot;SHA-DoNotUse&quot; if it&#x27;s broken and this is known from the start. Why does it even exist?<p>- For the first decade or so of JWT library support, many verifiers happily accepted &quot;alg: &#x27;none&#x27;&quot; payloads, letting attackers trivially bypass any actual verification. If you wanted JWT safely, you were supposed to know to tell the verifier to only accept the algorithms you were going to use when creating tokens.<p>- Hash algorithms have names such as &quot;MD5&quot;, &quot;SHA1&quot;, &quot;bcrypt&quot; and &quot;argon2&quot;, ie meaningless character soup. I can&#x27;t blame novice programmers for just using whatever hash algorithm is the default of their language&#x27;s hash function, resulting in MD5-hashed passwords being super common until about a decade ago.<p>Security resources and libraries for programmers should be focused on how a thing should be used, not on how it works. That&#x27;s what this book gets right (and what its page on elliptic curves gets so wrong).<p>Or, for another example, my favourite bit of crypto library design is PHP&#x27;s `password_hash()` function[0]. They added it to the language after the aforementioned decade of MD5-hashed passwords, and that fixed it in one fell swoop. `password_hash()` is great, because it&#x27;s designed for a <i>purpose</i>, not for some arbitrary set of crypto properties. The purpose is hashing a password. To verify a hashed password, use its brother `password_verify()`. Easy peasy! It&#x27;s expertly designed, it supports rehashing passwords when necessary, and you don&#x27;t need to understand <i>any</i> crypto to use it! I don&#x27;t understand why all other high level programming languages didn&#x27;t immediately steal this design.<p>I mean why can&#x27;t all security libraries be like this? Why do most encryption libs have functions named &quot;crypto_aead_chacha20poly1305&quot; instead of &quot;encrypt_message_symmetrically&quot;? Why do they have defaults that encourage you to use them wrong? Why do they have 5 nearly identically named functions&#x2F;algorithms for a particular purpose but actually you shouldn&#x27;t use 4 of them and we won&#x27;t tell you which ones? Do you want GCM or CCM? Or do you prefer that with AEAD? Do you want that with a MAC, and HMAC, or vanilla? Gaah I just want to send a secret! Tell me how to get it right!<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.php.net&#x2F;manual&#x2F;en&#x2F;function.password-hash.php" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.php.net&#x2F;manual&#x2F;en&#x2F;function.password-hash.php</a>
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himinlomax
2024-10-11T08:50:49
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Our teeth says we are built to eat cooked food.
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forgot-im-old
2024-10-11T08:51:08
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&quot;you&#x27;ll notice the newer trains don&#x27;t make as interesting sounds as older trains&quot;<p>The new cal trains have some interesting sounds <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;xkqqewzThFU" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;xkqqewzThFU</a>
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pif
2024-10-11T08:51:19
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&gt; There is great value to exploration and experimentation<p>I agree. Typing in some code and trying to compile it is experimentation. Trying to fix the error in your code is exploration. Discarding the compiler&#x27;s output as getting in the way means ignoring very, very precious advice.
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rob74
2024-10-11T08:51:24
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Yes. After generous application, all that will be left alive is your manicured Roundup Ready™ lawn. Bliss...
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greener_grass
2024-10-11T08:51:33
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Is there a variant of Prolog that is less dynamic with AoT compilation?<p>Imagine if you can be in &quot;dynamic mode&quot; where you can add rules, facts, etc. in an adhoc way.<p>Then, once your game is better defined, you can compile the Prolog to native code so that it is highly optimized, executed in parallel, etc. The compiler could apply all sorts of optimizations we see in commercial game engines automatically.<p>This compiled object could then be embedded into a game engine with native performance.<p>Done right, this could even outperform imperative game engines, but be very easy to debug and modify.
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KwisatzHaderack
2024-10-11T08:51:36
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I thought caste was unrelated to skin color. Is this not true?
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randerson
2024-10-11T08:52:02
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And resilient enough to handle nodes having an accident, catching fire in a flood, parking underground with no signal for days, pausing to be used as a car...<p>This is an unreliable spot instance at best, with none of the features one can normally attach to an instance (like storage, managed databases, ...). How fast can its Internet be? Will owners need to pay for Starlink too? (What about when parked indoors?)<p>It would have to be cheaper than all regular hosting options by a long shot for anyone to consider this. A very niche, low-paying market, in other words.
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gnabgib
2024-10-11T08:52:25
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First submitted in 2020 - although page doesn&#x27;t make it clear. Discussion at the time (466 points, 162 comments) <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=25185842">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=25185842</a>
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jascha_eng
2024-10-11T08:52:26
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Run mypy in strict mode and make that check required.
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authorfly
2024-10-11T08:52:37
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Haha.<p>Cries in sadness that my university lab was unable to buy compute from 2020+ when all the interesting research in AI was jumping up and now AI is going into winter finally compute will be cheap again.
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pasc1878
2024-10-11T08:52:58
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I just tried Firefox, Vivaldi, Brave, Safari, Orion They all have File-&gt;Open File ...
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627467
2024-10-11T08:52:59
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It&#x27;s a testament to the quality&#x2F;function of the existing types of ROMs available to uxn and the community that forms around it? Uxn type initiatives are forward-backward looking: how do I ensure future retro compatibility of software created going forward.
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l33tman
2024-10-11T08:53:08
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Lattice QCD is a rabbit hole (like all other advanced subjects) but it&#x27;s IMO a somewhat conceptually more accessible rabbit hole than the canonical QFT formalism with the Feynman diagrams and perturbation theory. LQCD is built around a &quot;clean&quot; approach that is at least possible to visualize - you go back to the basics, which is that you need to do a sum over every possible combination of field configurations (as this is what it seems the universe does). This is obviously intractable even for a small array, but the concept is easy and the QCD sector of the SM is very clean in interactions.<p>The sum is intractable not because it&#x27;s big but because it can&#x27;t be sanely approximated by lesser sums, due to the nature of what you&#x27;re summing - an exponent of i * the integral of the Lagrangian over each spacetime field configuration. This vary likes crazy so if you skip the some parts you might get a completely different result.<p>The trick to anyhow get anything out of this is to restrict yourself to observables that can be calculated from the ground state, which turn out to be accessible by doing the field integrals over imaginary time instead. This is a trick of calculus, it&#x27;s not really &quot;non-physical&quot;, although it is a pretty crazy method :) This has allowed practitioners to calculate hadron masses for example, it&#x27;s getting better and better over the decades.
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082349872349872
2024-10-11T08:53:16
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Crane vs Crab (ft Mongoose) is a good one...
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wruza
2024-10-11T08:53:27
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Does paint.net count?<p>Also I have never learned it, but I can pencil&#x2F;mouse-draw at a barely decent level^. It started with transformers 1&#x2F;2 (animation, not movies). Somehow I picked on how to recreate the 3d-ness of the robots and adding shadow strokes was a no-brainer. Started as a kid, but I improved (slightly) through years with no help and no tutorials&#x2F;etc. Recently got a lot of upvotes and comments in a “paint the rest” thread on a pics-and-gifs site, but that was more for the pic than for the skill.<p>How: I can do active 3d in my mind, some say it’s a relatively rare feature. I simply think of it and reproduce from there, no real skill required, apart from pencil holding.<p>^ some people whoa at it, but they just have no clue imo and never seen “decent” arts, apart from popular classics. Any artstation&#x2F;etc account destroys me with the first pic.
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friendzis
2024-10-11T08:53:36
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Serverless is indeed a weird name if you know what you are talking about. I was dumbfounded by the term until I met people who actually thought of anything beyond pushing to git as &quot;the server&quot;.<p>Backend returns 4xx&#x2F;5xx? The server is down. Particular data is not available in this instance and app handles this error path poorly? The server is down. There is no API to call for this, how do I implement &quot;the server&quot;?<p>Some people still hold the worldview that application deployment is similar to mod-php where source files are yoloed to live filesytem. In this worldview, ignorant of complexities in operations, serverless is perfectly fitting marketing term, much like Autopilot, first chosen by Musk, chef&#x27;s kiss.
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mdp2021
2024-10-11T08:53:43
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Also see a comment on the report,<p># <i>Malicious packages in open-source repositories are surging</i><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;cyberscoop.com&#x2F;open-source-security-supply-chain-sonatype&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;cyberscoop.com&#x2F;open-source-security-supply-chain-son...</a>
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rbanffy
2024-10-11T08:54:07
In Xsight – OS/2 Museum
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jcynix
2024-10-11T08:54:23
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&gt;I guess the fact that I mostly moved from DOS to Linux never really got me away from thinking about files and directories, and inconsistency in Android really bothers me.<p>Been there too. After some (maybe a lot) investigation I learned that this &quot;inconsistency&quot; in Android happens, because some apps use &quot;private&quot; directories which you (or other apps) aren&#x27;t allowed to look at. Think of these as directories of user Linux users who turned off read access for others, i.e. &quot;chmog og-r $HOME&quot;<p>After finding apps like Solid Explorer and especially Termux, I learned to comprehend what&#x27;s going on. But I still hate it that apps (and Android) prevent me from looking at my data the way I like to do it. For &quot;security reasons&quot; I not allowed to view things on my devices? Sheesh!<p>Nice apps like Markor or Diary (from Bill Farmer) store their data in user visible directories. As such apps exist, I tend to ignore those with limiting my access.
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authorfly
2024-10-11T08:54:24
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They might be and thanks for warning about that one company - but if this is anything like renting 3090s (ignoring the period of time during crypto rises), the prices really can go low to a loss level, I guess sunk cost crisis for the owners or the inertia of not pulling them out and selling them hits hard.
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JetSpiegel
2024-10-11T08:54:47
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Once again even professional people that write about money do not understand how marginal tax rates work, or more likely, are ideologically driven to lie.<p>No, if you earn 20k€ you don&#x27;t pay 26% of taxes, that&#x27;s the start of the bracket.
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high_na_euv
2024-10-11T08:54:59
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Have you seen Lunars iGPU?
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disillusioned
2024-10-11T08:55:04
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For a period, FSD was up to $15,000 USD... For heretofore still unshipped vaporware. And I say this as someone paying the $100&#x2F;month for the current very very beta, sometimes absolutely terrifying form of it.
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tomaslau
2024-10-11T08:55:19
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Agree! Easy to use and remember. Even the slightest friction kills the execution of so many ideas.
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prmoustache
2024-10-11T08:55:31
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But they manage files and folder on their smartphone too.
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6510
2024-10-11T08:55:32
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Maybe, I could also be asking why you would use a computer if all you want is to read documents.<p>If you have an operator send a telegram for you that person is capable of doing a lot more with your text than you want. On the other end is another telegram operator to further increase the risk. You might want to send a letter in stead. It&#x27;s slower but more secure.<p>If you want to read text from a monitor a computer is super convenient but like the operator it can do other things you don&#x27;t want. You don&#x27;t need a computer to put text on a screen. Alternatives might be slow and expensive but in this case you don&#x27;t have to send things to the other side of the world. That would be the thing you specifically don&#x27;t want.
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closewith
2024-10-11T08:55:59
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&gt; In engineering orgs I have hired for, the metrics prioritized are always related to estimating and delivering features on time, code quality (often through test coverage or bug count), etc. When hiring, the focus is on skills and experience that would likely lead to those outcomes<p>Those are lossy abstractions for profit in the private sector. Again, you&#x27;re missing the forest for the trees.<p>What&#x27;s really happening here is that you are unable to see your commercial role, and instead are focused on the vanity metrics you think are important.<p>Every one of those metrics would be sacrificed in an instant by the business if it increased sales. They&#x27;re only even marginally important as long as they align with that goal.<p>&gt; A politician will care most about how quickly and cost effectively a new bridge can be built. Do you think those should also be the only factors that matter to those actually building the bridge?<p>The public sector is a different beast, but again your understanding is completely divorced from reality.<p>Public infrastructure projects in democracies are built to secure votes. That&#x27;s the only criteria outside of the engineering requirements which are written in law in blood.
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oneeyedpigeon
2024-10-11T08:56:00
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&gt; aside from needing a wider desk<p>And possibly a deeper one. My 24&quot; is pushed as far back as my desk will allow and a bigger monitor would be too close to me for comfort. At least it&#x27;s not 1080p, although at 11 years old, I&#x27;ll be looking to upgrade it fairly soon.
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KeplerBoy
2024-10-11T08:56:01
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Does anyone doing AI need FP64, and yet they sell well.
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yakshaving_jgt
2024-10-11T08:56:12
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&gt; Your code needs to be dead boring 90% of the time<p>I also prefer boring code, but I think having the choice between var, let, and const is less boring than only having var.
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ChocolateGod
2024-10-11T08:56:16
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&gt; the two party system in most Western countries<p>Pretty sure Europe is mostly multi-party systems where coalitions are the norm, so including North America the only two western countries where dual-party is the norm is the United Kingdom and United States (both use first-past-the-post which encourages dual-party systems).<p>That said, I agree on two party systems promoting toxicity, the Brexit debate in the UK which was a near-perfect 50&#x2F;50 split was an extremely toxic period in UK politics and heavily influenced the 2019 election. It has got somewhat better in the last couple of years though.
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olabyne
2024-10-11T08:56:18
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Maybe because the event was all smoke and mirrors, and no actual numbers and plans were revealed ?
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RelevanceDgtl
2024-10-11T08:57:33
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thrww120956
2024-10-11T08:57:34
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There&#x27;s no way to do this (a single instruction loop vs 10 loops with a single instruction) in JS or Golang.
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bomewish
2024-10-11T08:57:42
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Certainly one could build that on top of quickwit — which also doesn’t allow crud — but it’s not trivial. You need to insert a new record with changes, then delete the record you want to update. The docs instruct that the latter action is expensive and might take hours(!). Then one would need a separate process to ensure this all went down appropriately (say server crashes after insert of updated record but before delete succeeds). Meanwhile you’ve got almost identical records able to be searched. Just not very nice for anything involving CRUD.<p>Please do advise if I’ve missed something here. I was really excited about using quickwit for a project but have gone with Meilisearch precisely for these reasons. Otherwise it would be quickwit all the way.
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doener
2024-10-11T08:57:53
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WithinReason
2024-10-11T08:58:23
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BG3 is the only RPG I would play on a controller, it&#x27;s very well done. You can also connect a keyboard and monitor to the Steam Deck, BG3 runs at 1080p high locked to 30FPS
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aleden
2024-10-11T08:58:27
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Then what is proton written in? C++?
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grues-dinner
2024-10-11T08:58:43
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With all these billions upon billions in AI hardware screaming along, are ads actually that much better targeted than they used to be?<p>I imagine admongers like Meta and Google have data that shows they are right to think they have a winning ticket in their AI behemoths, but if my YouTube could present any <i>less</i> relevant ads to me, I&#x27;d be actually impressed. They&#x27;re intrusive, but actually they&#x27;re so irrelevant that I can&#x27;t even be bothered to block them, because I&#x27;m not going to start online gambling or order takeaways.
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jaaamesey
2024-10-11T08:58:49
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Thanks for giving it a shot! Puzzles should swap out at around midnight local time.
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aswerty
2024-10-11T08:59:08
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Effect reminds me more of something like NestJS - essentially an end to end application framework that takes over your whole application.<p>Rather disappoint to see something like this being plugged as an alternative to something like zod which is a nice library that stays in its corner and has a nice fixed scope to it&#x27;s functionality.
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jillesvangurp
2024-10-11T08:59:48
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I don&#x27;t think what you outline here, which I agree would be a good thing, and what Tesla announced are mutually exclusive. In fact, I think Tesla&#x27;s announcement is just about the most concrete thing from any car manufacturer that gets us closer to that.<p>Getting rid of drivers means less space for parking is needed. It also means better utilization of the vehicles. So, less cars on the road. And they&#x27;ll be electric so a lot more quiet and less smelly. And they also have a bus form factor; perfect for public transport.<p>Elon Musk actually showed some visuals of cities being greened this way. Complete with a cheesy joke about taking the &#x27;ing&#x27; out of parking.<p>So, you are outraged because Elon Musk is doing exactly as you demand but just not in a way that you like?
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left-struck
2024-10-11T08:59:50
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&gt;I guess what I&#x27;m asking is if it looks so colorful when you look at it with your eyes from low orbit.<p>To be honest, I don’t know<p>A lot of the colour in these images just blurs together at the scale we see the moon at from earth, at least with my eyes, and that would still be true in low earth orbit.
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rolandog
2024-10-11T08:59:55
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I think a part of the scope of this project may have already been solved by The FreeNet Project (now HyphaNet) [0].<p>[0]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.hyphanet.org&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.hyphanet.org&#x2F;</a>
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pltvss
2024-10-11T09:00:05
Print out your favorite GitHub repositories
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pltvss
2024-10-11T09:00:05
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Looking for a fun way to explore your favorite GitHub repositories? Tired of staring at the screen for hours on end? Or maybe want to print out a hard copy as a keepsake?<p>It is currently in beta, so please be patient with us as we work. Feel free to request features or report bugs.<p>Tech Stack: Go, Tailwind CSS, Hetzner
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afr0ck
2024-10-11T09:00:08
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Well, it&#x27;s not impossible. It&#x27;s just software after all. You can mmap a remote device file, but you need OS support to do the magical paging for you, probably some sort of page ownership tracking protocol like in HMM [1], but outside a coherence domain.<p>I was once working on CXL [2] and memory ownership tracking in the Linux kernel and wanted to play with Nvidia GPUs, but then I hit a wall when I realised that a lot of the functionalities were running on the GSP or the firmware blob with very little to no documentation, so I ended up generally not liking the system software stack of Nvidia and I gave up the project. UVM subsystem in the open kernel driver is a bit of an exception, but a lot of the control path is still handled and controlled from closed-source cuda libraries in userspace.<p>tldr; it&#x27;s very hard to do systems hacking with Nvidia GPUs.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.kernel.org&#x2F;doc&#x2F;html&#x2F;v5.0&#x2F;vm&#x2F;hmm.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.kernel.org&#x2F;doc&#x2F;html&#x2F;v5.0&#x2F;vm&#x2F;hmm.html</a> [2] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Compute_Express_Link" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Compute_Express_Link</a>
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InDubioProRubio
2024-10-11T09:00:46
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From citizen to shitizen.. we need a virtual sovyeet union in antartica.. systemic competition
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keepamovin
2024-10-11T09:00:49
Combative Anatomy: How to fight a dog (2012)
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benterix
2024-10-11T09:01:19
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&gt; They had 2 dozen vehicles with no steering wheels taking attendees around the venue.<p>To quote a participant[0]:<p>&gt; After over 10 years of Full Self-Driving development, @Tesla is limited to a 20-30 acre geofenced 5mph ride on a preprogrammed, premapped and heavily rehearsed route with no traffic and no pedestrians.<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;x.com&#x2F;realdanodowd&#x2F;status&#x2F;1844605093368512799" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;x.com&#x2F;realdanodowd&#x2F;status&#x2F;1844605093368512799</a>
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jaaamesey
2024-10-11T09:01:19
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Thanks so much for the feedback! I&#x27;ll see if I can do something to make that clearer.
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ImranK
2024-10-11T09:01:36
Show HN: Anime PFP Collection
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prmoustache
2024-10-11T09:01:41
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So what? It is mentionned in the introduction that it is meant for computer users:<p>&quot;What do I need?<p>You need a computer with internet access. I wrote this book in a generic way so that it would be applicable for people using macOS, Windows, or Linux. If I point you toward software to install, it will be free (or have a usable free tier) and will be cross-platform (or I will offer platform alternatives).&quot; <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;htmlforpeople.com&#x2F;intro&#x2F;#what-do-i-need%3F" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;htmlforpeople.com&#x2F;intro&#x2F;#what-do-i-need%3F</a>
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rnjailamba
2024-10-11T09:01:43
My Creative Research Process (2020)
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user432678
2024-10-11T09:01:44
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Maybe they were always interested in drama or philosophical studies, CS is not the only interesting topic in this life :)
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disillusioned
2024-10-11T09:01:48
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This is a reductive and far-too-pessimistic take when Waymo is completing more than 14,000 driverless trips per DAY and has completed over 15 million miles of driverless trips.<p>That&#x27;s not a &quot;best case demo&quot;: it&#x27;s a real system, working in real world environments, and even if they&#x27;re &quot;constrained&quot; (and go ahead and look at the Phoenix service area and tell me how constrained it really is), they are functioning, now, today. There&#x27;s one driving by my house as I type this. It&#x27;s not mowing down children. It&#x27;s not causing fatal accidents. Its incident rate is dramatically lower than human drivers, and its severe injury rate is lower still. We&#x27;re a decade into the hype cycle because of how hard a problem this is to solve, and we&#x27;re finally catching up with the right confluence of technologies at the right time (mostly around machine learning, machine vision, sensor fusion, LIDAR, reinforcement training, and computer power) to make it actually work.<p>I can understand if you live outside a Waymo market that you might still believe this is still fairy tale &quot;won&#x27;t work&quot; stuff, but when you live in a market where you see dozens of them every single day, doing their thing _unremarkably_, it&#x27;s... well, it feels quite a bit like the future.<p>Note that I&#x27;m speaking explicitly of Waymo here. Tesla FSD still terrifies me, vision-only seems like a horrible oversight, pun intended, and while it&#x27;s meant to be non-constrained, it still has a very, very far way to go to close the gap with Waymo.
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danielskogly
2024-10-11T09:01:54
Nobel Peace Prize for 2024 awarded to Nihon Hidankyo
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https://www.nobelprize.org/press-release-peace-2024/
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A_D_E_P_T
2024-10-11T09:02:15
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I&#x27;ve seen a few where it stopped 9mm.<p>e.g., <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=vQ5EyKMqGGI" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=vQ5EyKMqGGI</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=hOteg0J5teg" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=hOteg0J5teg</a><p>Do you have links to those videos where it fails?<p>Besides, 9mm and .22lr are very different things. .22lr is one of the very weakest ballistic threats. 9mm has much more mass, usually more velocity, and a much higher (~3x higher) average KE load.
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pavlov
2024-10-11T09:02:23
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Also Musk has banned mentions of his own transgender daughter, who now posts on Meta’s Threads app instead.<p>X is like a textbook case of why total autocracy isn’t actually good management practice. Musk has become the Henry VIII of social media.
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rbanffy
2024-10-11T09:02:55
"Cyberpanics" and Global Disinformation Campaigns
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https://www.computer.org/csdl/magazine/co/2024/08/10632730/1ZgY94IdLtC
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rnjailamba
2024-10-11T09:03:08
A first course in randomized algorithms (2023) [pdf]
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ozim
2024-10-11T09:03:12
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I noticed for a lot of people it is excuse for their laziness or actually lack of interest in the topic.<p>As a dev I had troves of people &quot;wanting&quot; to learn how to program. Usually after I give them pointers and resources they fizzle out after a week or two.<p>It is easier to say &quot;I don&#x27;t have talent for that&quot; than &quot;I have better things to do, like binge watching new series&quot;. Don&#x27;t get me wrong, I am &quot;want to learn more math&quot;&#x2F;&quot;want to learn more electronics&quot; person but never get to really spend time on it and no time to use all the RaspberryPis eating dust in my drawers.<p>In the end I believe there is talent but that is something like being Linus Torvalds or Michael Jordan, you don&#x27;t need talent to play basketball or develop software, but to do that on highest levels there is something definitely.
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keepamovin
2024-10-11T09:03:14
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There have been two near fatal dog attacks in Australia in the last two days. I think it’s probably the current proton storm and solar weather conditions that are driving the dogs, a bit crazy and a contributing factor.<p>I believe in both cases the dogs attacked either their owners or people they knew and unprovoked attacks, and in both cases all the dogs involved were subsequently shot dead, or euthanized by police due to uncontrollable aggression. I believe at least two women were the victims, possibly even a young girl who now have life-changing injuries and may not survive.<p>Unfortunately, in Australia, access to firearms for self-defense is completely restricted, and so people do not have that option to deal with the large and often powerful dogs that can fatally attack you there.<p>Even in other situations around the world where firearms are more accessible, they still may not be practical in certain circumstances to defend from a lethally attacking dog.<p>This article appears to take a systematic and disturbing yet practical approach to dealing with such hopefully uncommon events.<p>The aim posting this article is to prepare you Should you encounter a scenario where you are required to defend your life or the life of another person from a dog attack. May God bless your struggle if you face it.
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throwaway71271
2024-10-11T09:03:21
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Man I really have to stop reading hackernews comments, its a total bummer.<p>His companies are making rockets, autonomous humanoid robots and autonomous cars, I will cut my left pinky finger to work on any of those, and this is my capslock finger, so I will have to switch away from emacs..<p>With the worldlabs[1] work maybe they unlock models that do have even better spatial world model and can be used label data even better and faster, or create even better synthetic data so it can unlock FSD even sooner.<p>The fact that LLMs work means there is structure in language that is beyond our understanding, and yet the transformer can discover it and program itself to solve for it. I think that the stupendous amount of compute that is going to be released in 2025 will make it possible to train labelers that can do temporal labeling much better than humans and than the current models, and synthesize and perturb data to train really really good transformers that will outperform 90th percentile humans.<p>Why do you guys think that it can not happen? Maybe its not Tesla that does it, but I certainly think amazing tech is coming.<p>Hopefully it will not be just autonomous humanoid robots with guns paid by the military and patrolling the borders :astonished face:<p>[1]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=vIXfYFB7aBI" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=vIXfYFB7aBI</a> (Fei-Fei Li and Justin Johnson)
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mbeex
2024-10-11T09:03:21
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Significant amounts of stochastic processes. Martingales, Markov, the whole stochastic Integration theory (Stratonovitch, Ito).
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rnjailamba
2024-10-11T09:03:54
Mathematical and Algorithmic Puzzles
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https://www3.cs.stonybrook.edu/~pramod.ganapathi/puzzles.html
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jorvi
2024-10-11T09:03:55
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&gt; Ironically, by supporting the LLM community with free compute-intense models, they’re decreasing demand (and price) for the compute.<p>For other people that that sentence didn&#x27;t make sense for at first glance: &quot;by supporting the LLM community with free compute-intense models [to run on their own hardware] they’re decreasing demand (and price) for the compute [server supply].&quot;
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closewith
2024-10-11T09:04:02
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While 150,000 per month was true in March, now Ukraine claims 4 MM per year, or ~333,000 per month.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;thedefensepost.com&#x2F;2024&#x2F;10&#x2F;03&#x2F;ukraine-produce-million-drones-2&#x2F;amp&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;thedefensepost.com&#x2F;2024&#x2F;10&#x2F;03&#x2F;ukraine-produce-millio...</a>
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Ukv
2024-10-11T09:04:04
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&gt; the number of things that can potentially happen is far greater than the number of training examples we could ever produce<p>Models don&#x27;t need to have been trained on every single possibility - it&#x27;s possible for them to generalize and interpolate&#x2F;extrapolate.<p>But, even knowing that it&#x27;s <i>theoretically</i> possible to drive at human-level with only the senses humans have, it does seem like it makes it unnecessarily difficult to limit the vehicle to just that. Forces solving hard tasks at&#x2F;near 100% human-level, opposed to reaching 70% then making up for the shortcoming with extra information that humans don&#x27;t have.
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bryanrasmussen
2024-10-11T09:04:11
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ok I went and investigated <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.iop.org&#x2F;explore-physics&#x2F;moon&#x2F;surface-features-moon" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.iop.org&#x2F;explore-physics&#x2F;moon&#x2F;surface-features-mo...</a> evidently the areas that appear to be smooth to us from far away were covered by lava relatively late in moon&#x27;s evolution and also have lots of craters as well, we just don&#x27;t see them as well as we see the other areas that were not covered and took maybe more damage.
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lode
2024-10-11T09:04:15
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This is the organisation that has won the 2024 Nobel Peace Prize:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ne.jp&#x2F;asahi&#x2F;hidankyo&#x2F;nihon&#x2F;english&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ne.jp&#x2F;asahi&#x2F;hidankyo&#x2F;nihon&#x2F;english&#x2F;</a>
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mytailorisrich
2024-10-11T09:04:22
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&gt; <i>This is a perfect example of why the market doesn&#x27;t always produce the kind of product that consumers would prefer.</i><p>This is a misrepresentation of market forces. Markets produce many different products and services based on the assumption that consumers want them. Those consumers like stick and further diversify, the others die. This is what markets do, they don&#x27;t have a crystal ball, instead they create products and services by trial and errors, and additionally execution can make or break a company.
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prmoustache
2024-10-11T09:04:34
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So basically you want to train a generation of copy&#x2F;paster who don&#x27;t understand what they are actually doing and who will never actually deploy anything because it is scary.
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sovok_x
2024-10-11T09:04:42
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That reminded me of how Windows abuses my HDD by regularly writing dozens of logs I won&#x27;t ever need unless I&#x27;m both knowledgeable enough and debug for specific errors.<p>And also about WinSxS&#x2F;Temp&#x2F;InFlight folder that gets filled with an undeleted garbage of unknown purposes. You can&#x27;t safely delete files there (with elevated System privileges) even after finishing delayed patching and dism cleanup operations because some of them are still used by the system somehow despite it being a &quot;temp&quot; folder. While thousands of empty subfolders there slow dism&#x2F;TrustedInstaller runs to a crawl on their enumeration.
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ben_w
2024-10-11T09:05:28
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Mostly I agree, modulo &quot;he knows how to make teams to do XYZ&quot;, which I&#x27;m happy to count for the same reason I&#x27;m happy to blame him personally when those teams he&#x27;s ordering around do something I don&#x27;t like:<p>&gt; I believe he can, to a great degree, restore free speech on social media even if it is messy and imperfect at times<p>I strongly disagree with this.<p>Even if I ignore the proxy of all the investors writing off their buy-out loans by 75%, even if I ignore that when people link me to random threads I can only see the specific one linked and not any reply because of an <i>invisible</i> paywall^w account-wall, even if I ignore that loading a random tweet now often takes 26 seconds or more (yes, I did just record my screen to get that number), even if I ignore that undesirable stories can be buried by an avalanche of alternative narratives and not just by censoring the truth…<p>There&#x27;s still the problem of Musk intervening politically in ways that, although totally legal, are exactly the kind of thing he was complaining about before the takeover: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Twitter_suspensions" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Twitter_suspensions</a>
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