[
    {
        "text": "What are the restrictions for green P platers for after 11pm in relation to passengers. P1 drivers are limited to 1 passengers, but I can’t find info on P2 drivers.",
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    },
    {
        "text": "Does this info on this image infer unlimited passengers?",
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    },
    {
        "text": "The automatic disqualification for speeding for p platers is harsh. My daughter got pinged doing 63 in a 60 zone by a camera car. That would have cost her her licence.  Luckily,  the car was registered in my name. My previously unblemished driving record over 30 years is now mildly tarnished and I bet I'm not the only parent to do this.",
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    },
    {
        "text": "Sorry to hijack, but curious about p2 not seeming to have power restriction for cars now?",
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    },
    {
        "text": "To answer your question, P2 drivers can take as many passengers of any age as they want past 11pm. As long as there is enough seats in the car.",
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    },
    {
        "text": "I don't understand why the mobile phone rules are so vague. Everything I read alot avout them when I was on my ps to try to work out how I could legally play music in my car but noone would define exactly what \"using\" a mobile phone was or even what a phone was itself",
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    },
    {
        "text": "So I still don't know if having an aeroplane mode'd old phone plugged into an aux jack and locked in the glove box breaks the rules",
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    },
    {
        "text": "There are no passenger restrictions for P2 *unless* you’ve been disqualified. Then, if you get your licence back, you’re restricted to one passenger for 12 months (or applying for exceptional circumstances).",
        "extra_info": ""
    },
    {
        "text": "https://www.nsw.gov.au/driving-boating-and-transport/driver-and-rider-licences/driver-licences/provisional-p2-licence",
        "extra_info": ""
    },
    {
        "text": "The 90 and 100km/h speed limits can fuck right off.",
        "extra_info": ""
    },
    {
        "text": "As a P1/ next week P2 driver who’s had friends suffer from speeding (accidents both their fault and not), I actually don’t mind the brutal penalties for speeding- it’s a pretty normalised thing at least in my circles to casually go a bit over so the harsh penalties discouraging it are a great approach to trying to change that behaviour.",
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    },
    {
        "text": "But when a P plater is actually following their limit 20km/h slower than signed on the Pacific Hwy or the Hume it just fucks with the flow of traffic, wastes everyone’s time and probably increases risk.",
        "extra_info": ""
    },
    {
        "text": "I don't understand why the mobile phone rules are so vague. Everything I read alot about them when I was on my ps to try to work out how I could legally play music in my car but noone would define exactly what \"using\" a mobile phone was or even what a phone was itself",
        "extra_info": ""
    },
    {
        "text": "So I still don't know if having an aeroplane mode'd old phone plugged into an aux jack and locked in the glove box breaks the rules",
        "extra_info": ""
    },
    {
        "text": "Knew I was right for sticking to the posted speed limit even when people ride my ass. I'm a learner, I'll lose my license in a jiffy if I speed.",
        "extra_info": ""
    },
    {
        "text": "Is exceeding the speed limit by <5kmh a 4 point offence? (Or did this take her over her allowed points)?",
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    },
    {
        "text": "yeah i also thought that generally applied to both levels of provisional drivers, which is also why i’m not sure about passenger restrictions.",
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    },
    {
        "text": "We got the answer the other day - simply not permitted regardless. It's a phone and cannot be used by a P plater.",
        "extra_info": ""
    },
    {
        "text": "What if it's plugged into the aux jack? Still not permitted.",
        "extra_info": ""
    },
    {
        "text": "From [this page on nsw.gov.au](https://www.nsw.gov.au/driving-boating-and-transport/roads-safety-and-rules/safe-driving/mobiles-screens-and-gps)",
        "extra_info": ""
    },
    {
        "text": "> Using a mobile phone while driving",
        "extra_info": ""
    },
    {
        "text": "Learner, P1 and P2 drivers",
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    },
    {
        "text": ">You must not use a mobile phone while driving, even when you’re stationary, for example, stopped at lights or stuck in traffic. This includes:",
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    },
    {
        "text": "texting",
        "extra_info": ""
    },
    {
        "text": "phone calls",
        "extra_info": ""
    },
    {
        "text": "music",
        "extra_info": ""
    },
    {
        "text": "emailing",
        "extra_info": ""
    },
    {
        "text": "social media",
        "extra_info": ""
    },
    {
        "text": "using the internet",
        "extra_info": ""
    },
    {
        "text": "maps and navigation",
        "extra_info": ""
    },
    {
        "text": "photography.",
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    },
    {
        "text": ">This applies to mobile phones that are handheld, in a phone holder or hands-free, for example, via Bluetooth.",
        "extra_info": ""
    },
    {
        "text": ">  Pacific Hwy or the Hume it just fucks with the flow of traffic",
        "extra_info": ""
    },
    {
        "text": "Like all the caravans, trucks, etc., don't, I suppose.",
        "extra_info": ""
    },
    {
        "text": ">I don't understand why the mobile phone rules are so vague.",
        "extra_info": ""
    },
    {
        "text": "Because if people weren't ignorant of the law, it would be a lot harder to raise revenue from them. And the state needs that revenue. It pays for things like expanded police departments so they can raise more revenue.",
        "extra_info": ""
    },
    {
        "text": "It's a 4 point offence if you're on your Ps.  Automatic disqualification for 3 months for any speeding offence.  It's ridiculous!  Especially for older cars with less accurate speedos.",
        "extra_info": ""
    },
    {
        "text": "The image is incorrect, both are power restricted. https://www.service.nsw.gov.au/transaction/check-prohibited-vehicles-provisional-p1-and-p2-drivers",
        "extra_info": ""
    },
    {
        "text": "But you can use a dedicated navigation device, as well as a CB Radio!",
        "extra_info": ""
    },
    {
        "text": "With the exception of some steep hills coming up from Gosford they stay around 100. You have two lanes so the slow vehicles cruise left and cars whizz past right. Then you get a P plater pottering along, the trucks and caravans lumbering past them, and everyone else banked up behind.",
        "extra_info": ""
    },
    {
        "text": "No cars have in accurate Speedos to over speed.",
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    },
    {
        "text": "Under speed, sure but if the vehicle has the correct OEM tyre diameter, you can bet your house on it, the Speedo will never read over the speed what the vehicle is driving.",
        "extra_info": ""
    },
    {
        "text": "Over speed but less than 10 is 1 demerit point for fully licensed drivers in NSW.",
        "extra_info": ""
    },
    {
        "text": "Getting pinged for 63 would be closer to 70 on the odometer.",
        "extra_info": ""
    },
    {
        "text": ">  Then you get a P plater pottering along, the trucks and caravans lumbering past them, and everyone else banked up behind.",
        "extra_info": ""
    },
    {
        "text": "You see that maybe one a week in daily commuting. Meanwhile, it's a daily thing to see 3-4 caravans plus a truck or two in quasi-convoy creating a overtaking choke point.",
        "extra_info": ""
    },
    {
        "text": "Another common occurrence is several Ford Rangers doing 130 in the right-hand lane, preventing yourself from overtaking.",
        "extra_info": ""
    },
    {
        "text": "In reality, the \"P plater speed limit is soooooo baaadddd\" is just a whinge and not anywhere near to being a great impact on traffic.",
        "extra_info": ""
    },
    {
        "text": "That may be true for modern cars, however her car is over 30 years old. Testing at a specialist in Wickham showed that when she got fined for 63 km,  her speedo showed she was travelling at 55 km. The variation seems to increase the faster she goes.  Yes, we could have fought it and would have won.  But for the sake of $120 odd dollars and one demerit point for me, it wasn't worth taking a day off work to go to court and argue the point.",
        "extra_info": ""
    },
    {
        "text": "At what speed?",
        "extra_info": ""
    },
    {
        "text": "Over 30 years old? That's nothing. In regard to the running gear, cars in the 90's aren't all that different to vehicles built today.",
        "extra_info": ""
    },
    {
        "text": "I just told you the speed?",
        "extra_info": ""
    },
    {
        "text": "And my bad. The car is a 1974 model. Fuck me. It's nearly 50!",
        "extra_info": ""
    },
    {
        "text": "You edited your comment. It didn't say 63 before but anyway....",
        "extra_info": ""
    },
    {
        "text": "Yeah 1974 is a bit older than 1990.",
        "extra_info": ""
    },
    {
        "text": "The old plastic transducer cogs would be worn down.",
        "extra_info": ""
    },
    {
        "text": "But now I'm curious what vehicle you/she is driving from 1974?",
        "extra_info": ""
    },
    {
        "text": "[deleted]",
        "extra_info": ""
    },
    {
        "text": "Very nice!",
        "extra_info": ""
    },
    {
        "text": "I'm sure you're aware they are worth over $10,000 now for an average one",
        "extra_info": ""
    }
]