comments/comments_18nn2wm.csv

comment_id,post_id,post_title,body,score,created_utc
kebmy9x,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,"""...background on the Colorado lawsuit?

It was filed in September in a state district court in Denver by six Colorado voters — four Republicans and two independents — who sued with the help of the watchdog group Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington.""

https://www.nytimes.com/article/trump-14th-amendment-trial.html",1537,2023-12-21 13:56:03
kebys6r,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,"“There’s literally no evidence that Trump was involved in an insurrection but there’s plenty of evidence against Biden” 

“What evidence is there against Biden?” 

**Youve been banned** 


That should be all anyone needs to see to realize that sub is just for encouraging magas to be more insane",981,2023-12-21 15:19:21
kebnwl0,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,Some people in here would be bigly mad if they could read.,926,2023-12-21 14:03:15
kebss02,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,"Some key things that are missing from a lot of conversations. First, the Colorado's Supreme Court isn't banning Trump from the ballot, the Constitution is banning him from being on the ballot. 

The 14th amendment has been used multiple times after the civil war and at no point did it require a legal conviction.  As the Colorado's ruling pointed out, there are three instances where a person is banned from running from President.  Age, not being a citizen, and being involved in an insurrection. They are self enforcing at the state level.  If the Supreme Court chooses to invalidate Colorado's method of enforcing the 14th amendment then states would no longer have any means to invalidate the other two banned classes.  A 4 year old child from Iran could then run for US president. 

For those who say it is un-democratic, there is a remedy already built in to the constitution where Congress can restore the person's ability to hold office.  You don't see the GOP running to do that do you?",888,2023-12-21 14:38:35
kebvuun,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,The poor bastards at r/conservative are very mad at me pointing this out right now LOL,866,2023-12-21 14:59:47
kec28t6,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,"plate degree chunky spotted snow paltry juggle crown bow towering

 *This post was mass deleted and anonymized with [Redact](https://redact.dev)*",280,2023-12-21 15:41:40
kebzxz5,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,"One of them just said that almost word for word lmaoo 
Spot on. 
I should be banned here soon 🤣🫡",251,2023-12-21 15:26:51
kebxh4f,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,"The irony is that Trump wants nearly all of his court cases delayed till after the election, except for the one that would kick him off the ballot.",241,2023-12-21 15:10:41
kec9pqw,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,"That's the biggest hypocrisy of that whole sub IMO. Thread after thread where only the select few bitch over and over again about cancel culture,  censorship, and group think from the leftist demonrats lol.",176,2023-12-21 16:28:17
kebvj4s,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,"It is not STUNNING, I'm tired of being told, ""don't believe your lying eyes"".   We all seen it, we all know it was from him on Jan 6th 2021.",155,2023-12-21 14:57:33
kebxlfa,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,"Totally overdue, totally justifiable, completely easy-to-comprehend court ruling could save American democracy by eliminating fascist Trump from 2024 ballot.

ftfy",130,2023-12-21 15:11:29
kecevxn,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,"They know their statements are indefensible, so they’ve banned disagreement and debate.

It’s the same reason right wing talking heads are terrified of debating anyone except random college students on the street who haven’t had a chance to prep for a debate.",116,2023-12-21 16:59:51
keckkgy,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,We should say he disqualified himself.,111,2023-12-21 17:34:10
kec88jm,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,I'm shocked you found any threads that weren't flaired only.,109,2023-12-21 16:19:14
kec457u,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,Since when did common sense become stunning?  The orange fuck is a traitor.  The law says we don’t let traitors into our government.  Deal with it.,106,2023-12-21 15:53:35
kec1wnl,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,"And in case anyone is unclear, on Jan. 6, Trump said in front of the crowd that would later attempt an insurrection:

>I hope Mike is going to do the right thing. I hope so. I hope so because if Mike Pence does the right thing, we win the election.

There was *no* legal way for Trump to ""win the election"" that day. He had already lost. The only way Trump could remain president that day was an insurrection. There's no other way to take that statement.",104,2023-12-21 15:39:33
kec6qq6,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,"Constitution thumpers don't actually want to follow the Constitution. Shocker.

What's next? They don't actually want to follow the bible either? /s",98,2023-12-21 16:09:50
kec8rn1,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,"I would add that it’s not that the 14th bans Trump from the ballot, it bans him from *holding the office*. 

It’s a courtesy to the other Republicans in the primary that they don’t have to be on the ballot with someone who is ineligible.

Vote for the rapist from reality TV all you want. He’s not eligible to be president.",90,2023-12-21 16:22:29
kebye4r,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,"My worry is that Republicans will now redefine “insurrection”. They might say that Joe Biden has committed insurrection for having a son with some legal issues.

Their rhetoric is already hinged around the notion that Democrats are the enemies of “America” (by which, they mean Russia).

Edit: that didn’t take long https://www.newsweek.com/marjorie-taylor-greene-accuses-joe-biden-treason-1854377",90,2023-12-21 15:16:47
kebwsfs,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,So we could finally get Arnold Schwarzenegger to run?,71,2023-12-21 15:06:08
kecdrzq,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,"I got banned a few years ago.  I still subscribed until I realized it was bad for me to painfully stare into the abyss on a regular basis; powerless to yell back.  

It's ironic that they justify much of the banning under the justification of needing a safe space to discuss conservative ideas.   Snowflakes.",70,2023-12-21 16:53:09
kec5q90,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,"Of course not. It’s hilarious to me how they will say “do your research, don’t be a sheep” when they quite literally repeat the words of Trump and his bullshit lawyers. They never look into it, and if they do they make sure it’s from a right wing source that will also repeat Trumps claims",68,2023-12-21 16:03:30
kec3e9r,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,"And probably none of them there followed, read, or watched any of the U.S. House Select Committee January 6 from summer/fall of 2022 that laid out plenty of evidence, mostly by all Republican witnesses and testimonies. And not to mention all the indictments that are publicly available online.",65,2023-12-21 15:48:58
kebmvb6,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,Please. We will all survive without Donald Trump. He will fade into oblivion and we will all wonder why he seemed so essential.,64,2023-12-21 13:55:26
kec3fm8,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,Oh they did the very moment the word started being used against them.,63,2023-12-21 15:49:12
kecdqp0,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,"Lets review
  

  
“No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, **or hold any office,** civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, **shall have engaged in insurrection** or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.”
  

  
Is the presidency an office?
  
Article II, Section 1, Clause 1:
  
The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his Office during the Term of four Years, and, together with the Vice President, chosen for the same Term, be elected, as follows.
  

  
**so yes**
  
was there an insurrection?
  
**The court did determine that there was.**
  

  
en·gage
  

  
/inˈɡāj,enˈɡāj/
  
participate or become involved in.
  
""organizations engage in a variety of activities""
  

  
Was Trump ""engaged"" in the Insurrection?
  

  
**yes. he participated in it.**",57,2023-12-21 16:52:56
kebmlr6,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,[deleted],52,2023-12-21 13:53:26
keblqvt,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,"Founding fathers would have already tarred and feathered this guy for treason by now, they didn't fuck around when it came to crime and punishment like we do",50,2023-12-21 13:46:52
kebncyq,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,"One of the cases they cited was from *checks notes* supreme court justice Neil Gorsuch when he was an appellate judge, huh, how bout that...",50,2023-12-21 13:59:06
kec3iab,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,"air smoggy long unused water aloof rhythm sand wakeful friendly

 *This post was mass deleted and anonymized with [Redact](https://redact.dev)*",50,2023-12-21 15:49:40
kebrqim,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,">  I hate the guy as much as the next person but the argument they used is extremely weak and unfortunately reeks of political bias.

The argument that was put forth by the republicans that requested he be removed reeks of political bias?",43,2023-12-21 14:31:10
kec8c08,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,I got banned for explaining why Floyd could not have died from a fentayl overdose. I do anesthesia and know fentanyl inside and out. Guess they didn't like hearing info that goes against the narrative. That place is bonkers.,43,2023-12-21 16:19:49
kecd3l5,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,[deleted],42,2023-12-21 16:49:03
keckchd,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,This is why fascists work so hard to drain words of their meaning. Without meaningful words there can be no law other than subjugation and violence.,42,2023-12-21 17:32:48
kecgwof,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,He has as much respect for rule and law in his body as I have ebola. And I'm not coughing up blood just yet.,40,2023-12-21 17:12:06
kebmn0l,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,"The case was originally filed by 4 republicans and 2 independents, but yeah, sit there and squeal about it being the democrats fault if that makes you feel better.",40,2023-12-21 13:53:42
kecc3x9,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,"“Shout out to the mod team for making posts flaired users only and stop the brigading for a little while”

That’s cute, they need their safe space.",40,2023-12-21 16:43:00
kec2sz2,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,"I see the governor of Texas now wants to strike Biden from the ballot in a tit-for-tat response.

Now if EVERY state follows suit & bans the opponent, guess who wins again...",37,2023-12-21 15:45:14
kebyfwo,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,Demolition man is one day closer to being reality!  Have a wonderful day John spartan.,37,2023-12-21 15:17:06
kecll1u,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,We could say he fucked himself on this one.,35,2023-12-21 17:40:18
kec7c3m,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,"Yes but if the SCOTUS says states can’t remove them from ballots for being constitutionally ineligible, then that would mean anyone could be on the ballots, and I’m assuming the logic would be that if an ineligible person had the majority of electors sent to Congress, it would be up to them to enforce the constitutional rules. That would go against the logic used in Bush v Gore, but SCOTUS has not been very consistent lately.",33,2023-12-21 16:13:34
kec2hr5,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,The typical denial or saying that the judges are corrupt democrats. One said those voters are not actually republicans but people posing as republicans. A elaborate scheme by the *shivers* radical left!,31,2023-12-21 15:43:15
kec4fco,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,">My worry is that Republicans will now redefined “insurrection”.

Once we get into next year I bet you'll be hearing less about the insurrection carried out by the MAGAs and more about the ""failed coup"" carried out by the President, his inner circle, and his legal team.",30,2023-12-21 15:55:19
keceh0l,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,I got banned awhile ago for saying something that almost any right-leaning person would have agreed with pre-Trump,28,2023-12-21 16:57:23
kecbpik,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,WWG1WGA is literally what sheep do.,28,2023-12-21 16:40:33
kebrtus,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,"> Should be left to the voters…

It was republican voters that requested this.",27,2023-12-21 14:31:50
kecfm05,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,"Yes, Trump did.  And while his cult followers were ransacking the capitol, Trump was watching the whole thing on TV having a Sally Field moment going: ""My followers are trying to overthrow the election for me.  That means they love me!  They really, really love me!"".",25,2023-12-21 17:04:13
kec65yo,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,You can’t go against the grain in that sub. The mods are way too fragile.,25,2023-12-21 16:06:12
kecgsvv,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,The guy has 91 indictments and was found guilty of rape in a civil trial.  MAGA is trash.  I really hope that the GOP gets some clarity and maybe pivots away from such toxicity and laughable hypocrisy.  The party of “family values” is festering in the sewage swamp.,24,2023-12-21 17:11:28
kec359h,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,"I wish he would’ve faded into oblivion in the late 2000s - Post game show host, but pre … ya know, everything else",24,2023-12-21 15:47:22
kebo2kh,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,What about the constitution? Shouldn't that thing get a say?,24,2023-12-21 14:04:30
kebuc0y,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,I would remind you that the lower court judge held that trump engaged in an insurrection (specifically what is laid out in article 3 of the 14th amendment) but said it didn't apply to the president. The Trump legal team and Trump himself applauded that ruling. So all the CSC ruled was that it did apply to the president the fact that he engaged in an insurrection was conceded.  Not sure how you think SCOTUS will overturn this.,24,2023-12-21 14:49:24
kec6kwf,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,It's really fucked up that I probably watched more of that than a huge portion of Republican voters and I'm not even American.,22,2023-12-21 16:08:49
kec3p9y,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,And what’s funny is a lot of witnesses and whistle-blowers listed throughout the indictments and January 6 congressional committee report/hearings are almost all Republicans.,22,2023-12-21 15:50:52
keck91l,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,You can’t stop enforcing laws just because Republicans might do some dishonest bullshit. Republicans *always* do dishonest bullshit. We’d have to stop enforcing laws altogether.,21,2023-12-21 17:32:13
ked2tbh,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,"""but..but..but.. our shitty opinions / factually wrong arguments get **downvoted** in politics.  that is actually worse than not allowing people to pierce the bubble of our echo chamber at all!""
  
~Conservative snowflakes, actually.",21,2023-12-21 19:25:02
kecev5v,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,"That's already begun. They're saying that by not securing the border, allowing illegals into the country amounts to insurrection.",20,2023-12-21 16:59:43
kebpjx0,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,Trump was removed for his participation in an insurrection. Biden has so far just been doing his job.,19,2023-12-21 14:15:26
kebz1eq,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,Congress can choose to ignore it by a two thirds majority. Not happening,19,2023-12-21 15:20:59
kechgsz,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,"okay, I get calling either Trump or Biden senile given that neither one can go 5 minutes without saying something either. horrible, stupid, or incomprehensible. But Putin? neither one bears any resemblance to Putin",19,2023-12-21 17:15:29
kec45f0,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,I still get a little shiver when I think of what if Pence had gotten in the car,19,2023-12-21 15:53:38
kebpvfu,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,"""Why are you so obsessed with this gun I'm pointing at your head and whether or not I'll pull the trigger? Relax bro!""",19,2023-12-21 14:17:48
kebwuyj,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,"It does, it says trump can’t run.",19,2023-12-21 15:06:35
kec7049,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,"Those are RINOs, you see, so many RINOs you'd think you were on a safari.",19,2023-12-21 16:11:29
kec7yu7,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,Next someone should apply this through ballot access laws to disqualify the Republican Party. They supported insurrection and voted to overturn an election.,18,2023-12-21 16:17:34
kec9c3t,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,"It's all about manipulation. They don't give a shit about abortion, guns, or the constitution. It's all about what they can use to manipulate people into voting for them.",18,2023-12-21 16:25:57
kebpg2s,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,"Hold up, the obsession i have is to see him NOT becoming president again, as it would be devestating for Europe as well as the US.",18,2023-12-21 14:14:40
kec65gh,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,"You didn't read the comment I was replying to, did you?",18,2023-12-21 16:06:07
kecr58r,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,Banned permanently from r/Conservative although my only wrong doing was not siding with the Trump team. F that guy. The real Conservatives have been ushered out of politics by the MAGA cult.,18,2023-12-21 18:13:52
kec19j1,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,I find it super-ironic that CREW is a Republican organization.,17,2023-12-21 15:35:27
kecx9ly,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,I should be banned any minute now I made a post calling them out for all the flaired users only posts.,17,2023-12-21 18:51:10
kecamso,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,"SCOTUS *could* say that insurrection specifically needs to be charged by the government and played out through the criminal courts, but citizenship and age don't. Similarly, they could say it needs enabling legislation while age and citizenship don't.

There are paths for them where they minimize the damage to the  conservative cause while still kowtowing to Trump. They just might not always be all that self consistent.",16,2023-12-21 16:33:59
kebo328,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,Republican states could retaliate.. on what grounds? Make believe?,16,2023-12-21 14:04:36
kedi9ti,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,"I believe Colorado has a law that only people eligible for office can be on the ballot. Which makes sense, because you wouldn't want to allow a 25 year old to take up space on the ballot, right?",16,2023-12-21 21:00:24
kecy2kn,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,"“Trump being booted from the ballot the Democrats are the REAL fascists!”

“The suit was brought forth by Republicans.”

**You’ve been banned.**",16,2023-12-21 18:56:00
kec6v68,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,"""Completely reasonable and accurate interpretation of the Law bars Trump from ever holding office again""

\-FTFY",15,2023-12-21 16:10:37
kebz5xc,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,"By ruling that the President is not an officer of the United States, somehow",15,2023-12-21 15:21:49
kebveeg,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,Hugely,15,2023-12-21 14:56:40
kebqcxr,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,"You misunderstand. The passion is not about Donald Trump - it was never about Trump. In fact, most people would prefer to never think about him again. It’s about wanting to protect and preserve our Democracy and national security, and being vocal against the biggest threat against that - which is Trump.",15,2023-12-21 14:21:20
kebpvn3,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,"Yes, precisely that. Stop pretending they care about rules or norms.",15,2023-12-21 14:17:51
kec3w6r,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,"I've already been banned from there, but if I wasn't I would go in and give a heart [Nelson Muntz](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/8b/24/be/8b24be0b449268501795b2116256a3e4.jpg)",15,2023-12-21 15:52:02
kecjvn0,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,"Importantly to the Colorado case, Trump *was* determined to have participated in an insurrection in a court of law. It wasn't a criminal conviction, though, which I wouldn't be surprised if the Supreme Court tries to require.

That said, previous instances of the 14th Amendment being used didn't require a criminal conviction, but I don't think it ever reached SCOTUS to decide.",15,2023-12-21 17:29:59
kecb4l5,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,"In r/askconservative when this was pointed out after blaming the dems the response was “the dems would have done it if those republicans didn’t”. 

Like, upset that he speculates the dems may possibly do something that republicans actually did. Its wild. 

This would be hilarious if it didn’t show how utterly broken this country is. Probably beyond repair.",15,2023-12-21 16:37:00
keboqmw,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,"Does being under 35 require due proccess to exclude you from running... get a reality check guy, your digging to hard and only finding poop now.",14,2023-12-21 14:09:26
kecjvy8,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,"I was banned for my first and only comment on the Conservative subreddit. Their posts and comments  kept getting downvoted by non-members, so somebody said something along the lines of ""If only there was a way we could control who gets to vote"" to which I responded ""isn't that a bit on the nose?"" 

They banned me SO fast",14,2023-12-21 17:30:02
ked26a0,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,"I was permanently banned from r/Libertarian for saying I got closest to ""Libertarian socialist"" in response to a stupid quiz someone posted. 

They're really holding to those Libertarian values of ""anti-censorship"" lmao.

Edit: forgot part of a sentence",14,2023-12-21 19:21:07
kecjh8t,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,"While I'm sure Abbot also wants it, it was technically the Lt. Gov that made the threat to remove Biden.",13,2023-12-21 17:27:34
kec42ag,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,In stunning new news. It was found that water is wet and Trump is still a seditious orange shit gibbon.,13,2023-12-21 15:53:06
kebl186,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,"That'd be fine, let Nikki Hailey win I don't think anyone would be too upset. Long as that criminal clamoring to tear down this country and what it stands for stays out of power, that's the main thing important to the left at this point",13,2023-12-21 13:41:16
kebx61j,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,">The Colorado decision in all likelihood means the US supreme court in Washington will have yet another momentous ruling to make, and one that could have significant implications for Trump and the election.",12,2023-12-21 15:08:39
kecnxy7,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,"I genuinely used to think that people here lied about reasons for getting banned. I posted on there for about 2 years with no issues. So I assumed everyone was toxic and pretending they aren't. Then, one day i randomly got banned for a post that only contained excerpts from the transcript of the Devin Archer deposition. With quotes from the person above me directly showing how the things they said weren't corroborated by the report they were quoting. 

I asked for a reason on the ban, and the mod responded I wasn't being uncivil, I was just posting messages against the direction of the conversation philosophy. Which I found odd, because I was quoting a report released by a Republican (Rep Commer).

So yeah, the mods are carefully curating an echo chamber.",12,2023-12-21 17:54:23
kec7kkc,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,The mod has to rinse the trump spooge out of his mouth and then he'll be there momentarily.,12,2023-12-21 16:15:04
kec2pv1,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,Soros is funding them,12,2023-12-21 15:44:42
keca3bk,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,I don't doubt your knowledge but could you elaborate?,12,2023-12-21 16:30:36
kec3gay,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,Lmaooo oh you know they gotta throw in ol Soros in there 🤣,12,2023-12-21 15:49:19
kec9ayz,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,"Anyone worried about a Jan 6th v2.0 but in a bunch of state capitols or govt buildings?

Trump getting a fair shot at the election and losing scares me based on the rhetoric I’ve been seeing on Twitter. However, him being taken off validates the “deep state” narrative. His ilk would have no choice but to try to cause chaos",11,2023-12-21 16:25:46
ked8rs0,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,"Traitors and insurrectionists should not be allowed to run for office. Any office 

It's written in the fucking constitution.

A copy of the document should be mailed to every moron who is piping up right now.",11,2023-12-21 20:01:30
keck034,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,I fucking hate my state. Can’t wait to leave.,11,2023-12-21 17:30:43
kec5n5a,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,How fast were you banned for slinging facts?,11,2023-12-21 16:02:57
kec8216,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,I’m surprised you can respond at all considering they mark everything for flaired users only now like the snowflakes they are 🤭,11,2023-12-21 16:18:07
kectpqq,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,"Yup, they can’t comprehend that there are people on the right that hate Trump too.",11,2023-12-21 18:29:26
keciw5u,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,"They are also citing precedence from a conservative SCJ, Gorsuch, in their decision.

It will be very interesting if the SC decides to take this up to see if he'll agree with himself.",10,2023-12-21 17:24:05
kecaetr,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,"How do you figure? A pardon is related to a conviction, the point of the OP is that conviction is irrelevant in this case.",10,2023-12-21 16:32:37
kecbhm8,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,"In my limited (15 years) of law, I’ve never seen a defendant beat more than 2 felony charges. This MF has 42. He also threatened the Judge(s) so even if he were to beat 41/42, I’d expect the judge to max him on the one count.",10,2023-12-21 16:39:13
kec5lfs,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,"I was called a disingenuous shit for saying it on true unpopular opinions lol

They're very mad",10,2023-12-21 16:02:40
kedbk34,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,"I just took a peek at their thread on this and noticed how often they’ve referred to democrats as fascist for this action, which was carried out by conservatives. They really want to drain that word of all meaning while Trump is out there paraphrasing Hitler. Reminds me of a decade ago when you could turn on Fox News and hear about how Obamacare was straight out of Nazi Germany. Because that’s what Hitler was known for, affordable healthcare.",10,2023-12-21 20:18:46
kebrx11,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,Presidenting while democrat,10,2023-12-21 14:32:29
kebm8aj,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,"As of today, Trump is up [62% in primary polling](https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-primary-r/2024/national/). To suggest *half the GOP* primary doesn't want Trump is disingenuous and flat out wrong.

Trump will be on the ticket. That's the bleak reality we face. And it's up to voters to keep him out of the White House.",10,2023-12-21 13:50:34
kec5yky,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,"Surprisingly, they haven’t banned me yet 🤣 I’m sure it’s coming any minute though",10,2023-12-21 16:04:56
kecbkcq,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,"It's just another propaganda and brainwashing tool. If you inject critical thought, you go against its true purpose and get banned.",10,2023-12-21 16:39:40
kechen1,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,"incel brahs being ultra beta cucks.

Oh clown car universe, why did you make it so those who told us the internet is just lies, now believe lies on the internet?",10,2023-12-21 17:15:07
kedn9s7,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,"You know every once in a while I go in there, make a real sarcastic comment about them, then get upvoted a bunch.

I been trying for weeks to get banned. But none of them ever comment back when I point out the hypocrisy.

They really won’t take a fight unless they catch someone off guard in the street huh?",10,2023-12-21 21:31:23
kecuso8,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,"The Supreme Court will ultimately decide whether Trump is on the ballot nationwide. Not sure if that is obvious or not.

This case seems pretty simple. The 14th Amendment states that an insurrectionist can not hold office. The clause has been enacted historically and without trial to bar candidates from running for office. Trump ran for office and was defeated. He then attempted to stay in power illegally through various means including a violent attack on the capitol on Jan 6th in which people died.

Trump was found to have committed an insurrection by two courts. SCOTUS can't really call this premature or throw this back to another court without ruling on that.",9,2023-12-21 18:36:01
kec9p57,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,"VOTED - On the record! Yet, there is scant evidence upheld in any courts to substantiate any of the claims.... 

It doesn't matter ""mY gUY sAid iT, So iT's trUe""",9,2023-12-21 16:28:10
kebqcf8,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,"Donald Trump is still leading the pack in the GOP primary and will in all likelihood be the 2024 Nominee, meaning that there’s a strong possibility that he could be President in 2024. He has suggested the mass deportation of immigrants, the incarceration of his political opponents, and becoming a dictator. 

The dangers of a second Trump presidency cannot be understated and **needs** to be restated so no one forgets. This is **not** a “both sides” issue except for idiots who think themselves immune to real world consequences.",9,2023-12-21 14:21:14
kebypf6,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,*Yugely,9,2023-12-21 15:18:51
kecd15s,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,"I lucked out with one that isnt flaired but I see the large majority are now lol they gotta protect the maga cult from the truth any way they can 🤣

I lubricate my AR-15 with these MAGA tears.",9,2023-12-21 16:48:38
kect0gw,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,"You mean the U.S. House... *Unselect* Committee! Lol, fucking gottem with that zinger, they'll never recover.",9,2023-12-21 18:25:09
kebn0qy,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,"You can say that now, but if she's a write in because Trump takes the GOP nomination are you still voting for her?",9,2023-12-21 13:56:34
kece87q,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,"It isn’t upending anything, if the ruling holds and is furthered by the Supreme Court - Trump isn’t an eligible candidate. If he is not eligible under the Constitution and that ‘upends’ an election that’s like saying anybody and everybody under 35 years old and or born in another country has upended elections for the history of our nation.",8,2023-12-21 16:55:53
kebwgkq,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,“the world is laughing at all of you” stop watching Fox News,8,2023-12-21 15:03:55
kee93bm,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,"Still incorrect.  *What he is disqualified from is from holding office.*  Full stop.  That is Amend. 14 Sec. 3.

He can campaign, he can do anything he wants, other than hold office.  It simply wouldn't be given to him, even if he ""won"" via write in. In the context of Colorado specifically, it would just mean our electoral college delegates could not vote for him, not that Colorado alone could withhold the Presidency from him. The ballot comes in to play by the Colorado law stating that it would be a ""wrongful act"" of the Colorado Sec. of State to include someone disqualified on the ballot.  Sec. of State is actually the first defendant in the lawsuit.",8,2023-12-21 23:55:34
kec47ng,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,"Okay, see if there judges do so.  If so sounds like a civil war brewing",8,2023-12-21 15:54:00
kececpq,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,In a case brought by *checks notes* Republicans and independent voters,8,2023-12-21 16:56:39
ked3vqb,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,"The same clowns who cry that internet social media needs to be free speech then ban anyone they don't agree with because ""brigading"" /r/conservative is just a bunch of pussys who will put you up for suicide watch on reddit because that's they're only defensive move, pathetic, how are they proud to be what they are.",8,2023-12-21 19:31:35
kecf9ax,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,"""If you're not gonna be part of our final solution then you're part of the problem""",8,2023-12-21 17:02:05
kecetap,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,"Bush v. Gore set no precedent, and SCOTUS is free to disregard precedent at its discretion. SCOTUS will not rule that people cannot be removed from the ballot for being ineligible, they are far more likely to rule that CO's Supreme Court incorrectly applied the test for ineligibility.",8,2023-12-21 16:59:25
keca1qb,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,Must taste like a really watered down McDonald’s sprite,8,2023-12-21 16:30:20
keck03v,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,And lemmings!,8,2023-12-21 17:30:43
keboj0t,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,Bye,8,2023-12-21 14:07:52
kecb36u,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,"Here is a scholarly article about the scope of section 3:

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4532751

The questions scotus will have to answer are whether or not trump engaged in insurrectionist behavior in any way, shape or form (even the dissenters in the Colorado Supreme Court decision agreed he did) and whether POTUS is an officer of the United States (according to the text, POTUS is holding  an office and has taken an oath of office).

As to the fact that barring trump from holding office will trigger a tremendous backlash, I would refer to the originalists currently sitting in SCOTUS’ argument that they are not supposed to rule based on the impact of their decisions but to ensure that the law is implemented to the letter (we heard this loud and clear when they dished the Dobbs decision, remember?).

If reading serves, section 3 also provides a remedy: “But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.”
Good luck with that.",7,2023-12-21 16:36:47
kebxl6u,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,The Supreme Court will bail him out.,7,2023-12-21 15:11:27
kecalqz,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,It will be interesting to see Gorsuch twist out of his previous ruling if that's the case.,7,2023-12-21 16:33:48
kebrsvg,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,Exactly. Which makes one wonder on what grounds right-wing states would try and do the same.,7,2023-12-21 14:31:38
kecl5yk,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,It’s the ultimate echo chamber of hypocrisy. They are for free speech but will ban anyone left leaning.,7,2023-12-21 17:37:47
ked87bd,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,"He could have showed up and said ""ok guys time to pack it in and go home"" but he didn't. They would have listened to him, too.

Even if he didn't know he could do that, he could have done something as president, but didn't.",7,2023-12-21 19:58:03
ked668g,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,"Its not a criminal matter though.  The amendment doesn't say ""convicted of insurrection"" and its never been applied that way historically.  Any interpretation of the 14th amendment that doesn't result in ""Jefferson Davis is ineligible to serve as president of the US"" is pretty suspect.  

Here, the judge didn't just declare him guilty, there was an adversarial hearing where Trump had the opportunity to make his case that he had not participated in an insurrection, i.e., due process.",7,2023-12-21 19:45:43
kebq2py,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,Not being an insurrectionist is ALSO a requirement.,7,2023-12-21 14:19:18
kecyz24,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,Swear it feels like a football rivalry with the right 😂,7,2023-12-21 19:01:37
keceqxl,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,Right? Like they got fucking Murdoch LOL we got a lot more ground to throw that assholes name around like they do with Soros,7,2023-12-21 16:59:01
kecg9vw,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,"Also, notably, the appelate court ruled that he DID commit insurrection but that the 14th amendment did not cover presidents. The Colorado SC upheld that he DID commit insurrection but overruled, holding that the 14th does cover presidents.

The Supreme Court can rule on the 2nd part of the question, but I'd say (IANAL) that the exact matter of determining whether someone committed an insurrection or not is way outside the purview of the Supreme Court? Especially when both state courts held that he did? Idk. As far as I can see they can only rule on whether using the 14th to disqualify an insurrectionist is constitutional, not whether someone is or isn't an insurrectionist.",6,2023-12-21 17:08:15
kebybir,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,For the uninitiated- what is that remedy?,6,2023-12-21 15:16:18
kecdvb3,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,It's the same as that bible they thump too! It's all performance politics and religion with these people.,6,2023-12-21 16:53:42
kechnt4,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,"as much as my gut says you're right, it would be fucking hilarious if they hung him out to dry since they already got their lifetime appointments and no longer need him 🤣",6,2023-12-21 17:16:38
keccfkj,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,"Don't worry, they would do it either way",6,2023-12-21 16:44:59
kecbc6i,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,MGT said Bowman did an insurrection when he pulled that fire alarm.,6,2023-12-21 16:38:18
kec1qig,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,How do they respond?,6,2023-12-21 15:38:28
kebqgom,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,[deleted],6,2023-12-21 14:22:05
kebow5z,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,[deleted],6,2023-12-21 14:10:35
keck4kn,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,"Remember that time Biden ate a baby on live television? No?

Well January 6th never happened either! You imagined it!",6,2023-12-21 17:31:29
kec0gt8,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,"*They would be mad, so mad, snif... Mad the likes of which probably nobody has seen before.*",6,2023-12-21 15:30:17
kebtx8m,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,"It's so tribal that it seems any ends justify the means for what the republican party has become. This should be trivial stuff to digest - all on tape, 6 Jan, at the scene of the crime. If Obama or Biden had pulled the same crap, it's probably safe to say their support base would have vanished in comparison. Wrong is wrong.",6,2023-12-21 14:46:35
ked1nu1,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,"Sure, but limiting that search to post reconstruction isn't helpful legally especially if the justices deciding the case are originalists.",6,2023-12-21 19:18:01
kecb8ap,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,"The only way to do that is by saying that the president is not an officer, which is absurd. It would be one of the worst rulings since the Dred Scott decision.",6,2023-12-21 16:37:39
kebr7hr,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,"It isn't a random accusation. Evidence was produced in court and a judge made the ruling the evidence met the necessary standard of proof, all appeals courts upheld that the standard of proof was met.

Confederate politicians who hadn't held office before the civil war were allowed to hold office as it specifics that you must have first taken an oath then broken it. So for example if you or I (assuming you haven't held office) participated in the Jan 6 insurrection we wouldn't be disqualified.",6,2023-12-21 14:27:23
kebr81e,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,[deleted],6,2023-12-21 14:27:29
ked65qm,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,What happened to the marketplace of ideas?  Where the strong ideas survive and thrive?  Isn't that America?,6,2023-12-21 19:45:38
kedezt7,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,"Fentanyl overdose: slow, lethargic, passing out, similar looking to a classic heroin overdose.

Floyd was spastic and amped up, closer to the more stereotypical ""crackhead"" behavior. Though a case could be made *whatever* he was on could have given him a heart attack, the Right picked one of the substances that would have done the *exact opposite* of what he was doing.",6,2023-12-21 20:40:15
kedbvhz,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,"He was lucid and coherent for far too long to have been suffering an OD unless his killer drugged him while he was on the ground, restrained.",6,2023-12-21 20:20:45
kecbwgs,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,"It’s so lazy, they insert Soros into every conspiracy theory.",6,2023-12-21 16:41:44
kedpvp6,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,"Actual dialog and arguable truths also sometimes gets downvoted in r/politics. But since we aren't all children here, we just accept it as part of, well, politics, and carry on.",6,2023-12-21 21:47:40
kecwezt,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,Why is it so stunning? There's an Amendment to bar insurrectionists from office. A court abided by it.,5,2023-12-21 18:45:56
kedrcw4,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,"Not really stunning, they upheld the United States Constitution.  Storming the capitol on Jan 6 for a bankrupt millionaire was actually stunning.",5,2023-12-21 21:56:52
kec1gul,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,Then its all eyes on Haley. Which is also terrifying.,5,2023-12-21 15:36:46
kec97zb,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,This. It’s only stunning because our expectations are so low.,5,2023-12-21 16:25:15
ked84ar,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,"Good breakdown. To me the most persuasive argument for opponents of the ruling (and I believe Trump is a singular threat to our nation) is on the finding that an insurrection occurred and that Trump engaged in it.  

Personally, I think  both are clearly true. but did he receive adequate due process on those findings? He has not been charged or convicted of engaging in an insurrection in any court. Did the colorado trial court take evidence and witnesses on this?  I would think a full blown trial on this issues would be needed before disqualifying a major presidential candidate from office. And that would also protect 14A/section 3 from being abused to keep other candidates off the ballot on flimsy grounds as some republicans are already threatening to do. 

I know there is no conviction requirement in the text of the amendment but isn’t it likely there is a significant, implicit due process  requirement esp on such a massively weighty issue. Maybe he got that but it didn’t seem like it but maybe I haven’t looked closely enough. Anyway, I think most of the other arguments against the decision are pretty frivolous but that’s what I’m struggling with and again, I think keeping Trump out of office is the most pressing issue we face right now",5,2023-12-21 19:57:32
kecagdt,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,Chaos for you in America is not only in your back yard. It is potential chaos for the world.,5,2023-12-21 16:32:52
kecaivo,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,That scenario will be preferable to what happens if he wins and has control of the US military and the nuclear arsenal.,5,2023-12-21 16:33:18
kecayax,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,"A group of 4 Republicans and 2 independents petitioned Colorado to remove Trump from the ballot pursuant to the 14th amendment.

A trial judge found as a matter of *fact* that Trump committed insurrection. They refused to remove him on the grounds that the POTUS is not an officer of the US, and therefore even though he committed treason and he swore an oath to the constitution, the 14th amendment did not apply to him because he wasn't an officer of the US.

The appeal to the COSC reaffirmed that matter of fact and determined that the POTUS was in fact an officer when it comes to the 14th amendment.

The argument being brought before the Supreme Court is whether or not the POTUS is considered an officer under the 14th amendment. If they are, then future POTUSes and of course Trump cannot reacquire office after insurrection without a 2/3rds vote in the legislature. If they are not, POTUSes may engage in insurrection without losing the ability to be reelected.

The Supreme court is unlikely to overturn a finding of fact from a trial judge. They didn't listen to the evidence, the witnesses, and the arguments. Unless there is a matter of law up in the air on that finding of fact, it's unlikely to be overturned.

What argument is extremely weak and is likely to be overturned?",5,2023-12-21 16:35:57
kebui46,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,I would remind you that the lower court judge held that trump engaged in an insurrection (specifically what is laid out in article 3 of the 14th amendment) but said it didn't apply to the president. The Trump legal team and Trump himself applauded that ruling. So all the CSC ruled was that it did apply to the president the fact that he engaged in an insurrection was conceded.,5,2023-12-21 14:50:33
kecgpwy,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,"Is insurrection only possible for the DOJ to charge? Or could states decide to charge him with insurrection if it's a qualifier? And do you think it would be enough to charge him, or would he need to be sentenced?",5,2023-12-21 17:10:58
kecjyn8,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,"They've got enough of a majority that they can give Neil an out.  He can keep his position consistent, if he even gives a shit at this point.  The legitimacy of the current SCOTUS is already damaged beyond repair and he may not care at all about the optics of a reversal.",5,2023-12-21 17:30:29
kebx7oe,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,The same voters that talk about the founding fathers like they are gods. The founding fathers put a safe guard to protect us from people like trump.,5,2023-12-21 15:08:56
kecjnzc,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,They are pissed and bitching that other users can downvote their posts.,5,2023-12-21 17:28:42
kec2lev,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,You should see the responses in my AskConservative thread.,5,2023-12-21 15:43:54
kebvpjn,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,Under what argument would GOP states remove Biden from the ballot?,5,2023-12-21 14:58:47
kecio50,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,Surprised you didn’t get hit with the “Do your own research”,5,2023-12-21 17:22:44
keduc43,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,"I said ""You don't have to automatically side with Trump."" That got me banned.",5,2023-12-21 22:15:51
kedvlgv,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,"for some people political affiliation becomes part of their identity, for those people it absolutely is just like a football rivalry (or anything else where a parasocial affiliation becomes part of the identity).

In the past these have literally blurred together: look up the ""Nika Riots"" in Constantinople c. 530 CE : Chariot Racing team fan affiliations become street gangs / political parties and eventually riot against the current ruler.",5,2023-12-21 22:23:56
kecxpge,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,And sheep is what Jesus calls his followers.,5,2023-12-21 18:53:48
kecwtgg,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,Their entire party has become a No True Scotsman fallacy.,5,2023-12-21 18:48:24
kedf71w,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,"'It's not censorship, it's just post vetting. Completely different.'",5,2023-12-21 20:41:30
kecho4q,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,"The party of law and order claims it’s political and doesn’t abide by our justice system. Yet, a real and legitimate part of our judiciary found that Trump did in fact take part in an insurrection. These weren’t politicians nor pundits. These were real State Supreme Court justices with law degrees. In their minds, only a criminal conviction counts and I doubt that they’d believe that either.",4,2023-12-21 17:16:42
kecipe4,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,And they cry “but he wasn’t found guilty!” Heads are so far in the sand.,4,2023-12-21 17:22:57
ked6jpl,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,">he seemed so essential

Beyond his qult followers, who has ever thought of this guy as essential?",4,2023-12-21 19:48:00
kecae7r,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,They can choose to not cause chaos.,4,2023-12-21 16:32:30
kec1jue,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,I said that yesterday and the push back was interesting.,4,2023-12-21 15:37:16
kecbltu,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,Most have only a handful of brain cells. I’m not optimistic,4,2023-12-21 16:39:55
kebzpig,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,"This sub is going to absolutely break when these trials are over.

Every time Consequence starts sniffing around the Trump admin, the sump from r con opens directly here. I don't know why they leave their safe spaces and delete their comments. 

I found out some Snowflakes will block you if you point out they're just whining.",4,2023-12-21 15:25:20
kecljt1,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,"Age, citizenship and participating in an insurrection are all immutable facts, there is still a fact finding process to determine each.",4,2023-12-21 17:40:06
kebt5a4,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,Probably something about Hunter Biden. Seriously laughable.,4,2023-12-21 14:41:09
kebq4f5,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,Are we at war with Iran?,4,2023-12-21 14:19:39
kebql3j,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,"The standard obviously was always meant to be some evidenciary standard, like conviction (in court or impeachment).

No it wasn't, evidence by of the fact the the people who wrote the amendment used it to block confederates who were never tried for a crime from holding office after the civil war. It is ment to be a safeguard against people who would take power illegally from getting into power as it's first and foremost concern.

Saying impeachment is the standard for disqualification under the 14 when impeachment already disqualifies you is ridiculous.",4,2023-12-21 14:22:56
kedt5oj,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,Cool. Hopefully that means we can all tell Donnie to go fuck himself.,4,2023-12-21 22:08:17
kecmfsh,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,"The insurrection clause has only been used 1 time post-reconstruction and pre-Jan 6, over 100 years ago and the person did have a conviction (which was later overturned by the Supreme Court).

> > Between Reconstruction and 2021, Section 3 was invoked only once: it was used to block Socialist Party of America member Victor L. Berger of Wisconsin—convicted of violating the Espionage Act for opposing US entry into World War I—from assuming his seat in the House of Representatives in 1919 and 1920.[192][197][203] Berger's conviction was overturned by the Supreme Court in Berger v. United States (1921), after which he was elected to three successive terms in the 1920s; he was seated for all three terms.[204]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution",4,2023-12-21 17:45:24
kecvdmy,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,They’re already saying they’re going to switch to a caucus instead of a general pop vote if he’s disqualified. Nothing ever touches this guy. It’s amazing.,3,2023-12-21 18:39:34
kecw8uw,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,"Something to think about. If Trump is disqualified, by whatever authority actually decides that, he can still run and still be elected. However, he cannot ""hold"" the office of President, unless the disqualification is overturned by way of a 2/3 majority vote in Congress. That having a near zero chance of happening would mean, I assume,  that the VP Elect would ascend to the Presidency on day one.",3,2023-12-21 18:44:54
ked6vwd,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,"So we're 100% expecting the supreme Court to fail us on this one too, right? That cons on the bench will absolutely strike this down?",3,2023-12-21 19:50:04
ked1t60,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,"The word ""stunning"" in this headline really irks me. I can understand why in realistic terms it's stunning, but in another sense it's the opposite of stunning – the decision is obvious.  They are just following the fucking text in the amendment. He took the fucking oath, and he engaged in a fucking insurrection. These facts aren't reasonably in dispute.

You can make the counter argument that this isn't what the amendment was intended for, or that the implications of this decision are really big and scary, but you can't reasonably make the argument that he didn't do it. The implications are pretty big, but may I humbly suggest the implications of what Trump did are bigger?  If Trump didn't want to be disqualified from the ballot under the insurrection clause, he was free to not try by fraud and force to steal an election he lost 🤷🏼‍♂️",3,2023-12-21 19:18:55
ked96mc,18nn2wm,Stunning court ruling on Trump could upend 2024 US presidential election,Fuck Trump!,3,2023-12-21 20:04:05