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ke6xzcc,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,Don't worry about it! There won't be a second civil war here in America. No one here has enough PTO for it.,1352,2023-12-20 15:52:18 |
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ke68z0u,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States)., |
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,982,2023-12-20 12:51:08 |
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ke6upg0,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,,378,2023-12-20 15:31:38 |
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ke79l7f,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,Thanks for the laugh. Even though you wrote a true statement,303,2023-12-20 17:03:04 |
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ke6his4,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,,273,2023-12-20 14:00:53 |
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ke6qfm2,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,us plebs will be too busy bashing and running over and gunning down and looting one another to change the system,271,2023-12-20 15:03:52 |
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ke6dwdd,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,2024 is when the violence actually shows up. Everything else has been dress rehearsal,248,2023-12-20 13:32:55 |
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ke74a02,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,,227,2023-12-20 16:31:19 |
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ke6cjs7,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,More like Hollywood reflecting the fears of the people. Don't Look Up was done by people who hang out on collapse.,188,2023-12-20 13:21:51 |
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ke6uno3,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"So many folks are focusing on the overt fascist tendencies of Trump and MAGA, there is a danger of overlooking something else. Yes, Trump is still likely to be the nominee, and it is possible he could win the election. But this is not taking into consideration the large number of independent voters who don't show up to MAGA rallies and say batshit crazy stuff. In the US, it is useful to follow the money. And there is money flowing from Charles Koch to Nikki Haley's campaign. This is the same Koch who backs the Heritage Foundation, which is promising to bring us Project 2025. |
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You may be worried that Trump would usher in the dystopian changes that are promoted in Project 2025, but the brains and money of this effort are pushing for Nikki Haley. I can imagine, for a lot of conservative leaning independents, Nikki Haley would seem like the best of all right-wing worlds - pro-business, lower taxes, pro-industrial war complex, and likely able to win over a some conservative suburban soccer moms, who are repulsed by Trump, but can see a bit of themselves in Nikki Haley. |
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I'm not saying Haley is guaranteed to get the nomination, or win the general (but she beats Biden in polling for the general). It could still be Trump v. Biden. I'm just saying, a Koch-backed Heritage Foundation takeover of our democracy with a reassuring Haley face on it is more likely than a lot of folks may think.",170,2023-12-20 15:31:19 |
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ke6gc9p,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"From the outside of the US, it looks like the etablishment has been feeding and cultivating Y'all'qaeda for a long time, using it to push further right by negative votes. The risks* of that bet are maturing now. They tolerated the spread of misinformation and the rise of the new sect of ""Qristianity"" with Trump as the new messiah. The corporate/mainstream media gave Trump $ billions worth of publicity in 2016, they made him. |
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Now they'll have to put the fire out. |
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The real question that Americans should be asking themselves now is if the federal institutions like the FBI and military are infiltrated enough to overcome the status quo (regime change) or not. |
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It might be cliche to make comparisons - but . . . Hitler lead a attack on the government, was put in jail, got even more popular in jail, Nazi party got elected into power - appointed Hitler the leader. |
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2024 is where this little outburst of violence shows up and then the mask comes off. |
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Like full on fuck the rubber bullets / drones / mustard gas kind of comes off. |
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And then. We will all re-consider the violence for about the next 10 years. |
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That's how they want it. |
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""They keep the lower and the middle classes fighting with each other so that they the rich, can run off with all the fucking money."" - George Carlin.",127,2023-12-20 18:13:38 |
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ke7dihk,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"All this with the rise of deepfakes getting better by the day, and it's going to get even messier. |
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From where I'm sitting, banning Trump from the ballot here in CO felt kind of mundane. Based on the massive spasm of media attention, however, I'm assuming that's not the case for most people. |
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I figure there are two ways this can go; the US Supreme Court overturns the Colorado Supreme Court's decision, and things continue as usual. Alternatively, the US Supreme Court upholds our court's decision, and every state starts competing to see how many opposing politicians they can ban from their ballots before our already barely functioning democracy becomes truly untenable.",93,2023-12-20 15:24:34 |
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ke6gfv1,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,Trump seems far more demented to me. Can’t even use a fucking sentence properly.,90,2023-12-20 13:52:39 |
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ke6h50y,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,I have been asking myself this whole time why haven't federal agencies tried to save democracy in the U.S.? I thought the CIA or FBI would have tried to preserve it but it appears that all the alphabet agencies want fascism to rise. It must be part of their charter that fascism is better for national interests than democracy.,89,2023-12-20 13:57:59 |
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ke6r71t,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,[deleted],88,2023-12-20 15:08:57 |
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ke6yeqx,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States)., |
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ke7473p,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,I think the 2024 election is going to be the one where something big goes down.,79,2023-12-20 16:30:50 |
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ke6uduz,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States)., |
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,78,2023-12-20 15:29:34 |
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ke6gzvk,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,,77,2023-12-20 13:56:54 |
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ke6q5il,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,based on the history of who they have supported internationally it’s really not surprising. the imperial boomerang and all that.,76,2023-12-20 15:02:00 |
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ke6nbxl,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,Everybody put a finger under the system and lift a little… the sooner it tips the better off we’ll all be,72,2023-12-20 14:42:51 |
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ke6sv11,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States)., |
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ke6ggdy,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,I hope you're wrong....but you probably aren't.,71,2023-12-20 13:52:46 |
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ke8ajk9,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,It's funny cuz the last civil war was proceeded by a major candidate not allowed on some ballots.,66,2023-12-20 20:43:22 |
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ke8fu5v,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"Just wait until food gets even more expensive with crop failures, and more of us lose our jobs to outsourcing, austerity, another plague, AI or whatever comes next.",66,2023-12-20 21:15:18 |
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ke7bste,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"Russia after the USSR became an oligarchy, life expectancy dropped, regular people left completely broke --- seems like where we're headed |
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I think he is right that it helped achieved critical mass. You can't threaten someone's job with an illegal arrest because they aren't gonna get no call-no show the next day. |
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That's why I feel like COVID shutdowns started weakening in June 2020, they did that to get the peons back on the grind and so they have something to take away. |
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You’re right, but it’s pretty wild to think that a goddamn insurrection and storming of the capital building with dozens of federal security officers severely hurt or killed wasn’t The Big Thing going down. |
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this so much |
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they feed from our outrage and try to keep is pinned to the TV through fear |
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I’m scared because a majority of the time, when a country tips over its like a boat with a hole in it tipping in an ocean. That’s it. I implore people to look at other countries with systems that tipped over and ask themselves, what does the country look like even 30 years later? I don’t think we’re going to be an outlier like Japan after Hiroshima. I think it’s going to be like the majority of the Middle East. Never stable, socially free and prosperous again (or really, not so within our lifetimes). |
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A big part of the reason that Japan did so well after WWII was the Occupation under MacArthur, and a big part of the reason that Germany did so well was the Marshall Plan. Both of these plans had economic and social reforms well to the left of anything that corporate Democrats would support today. When the US collapses it will not have any foreign savior to support it as it regains its equilibrium, rather it will be sucked dry by oiligarchs, many of them nominally US citizens, much like Russia and many former Soviet states were sucked dry by their oiligarchs. |
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Look at this way, no state that would kick Trump out of the primary is a state where Trump would win the electoral votes for that state. Every last blue state could knock Trump out of the primaries and it would not affect the final election result in the slightest. |
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The same violence and intimidation tactics as well. |
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And it all starts tumbling down. When the men get drafted into another failed war of conquest, 10 years later. |
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Unfortunately, the new system will be a fascist hell that makes you daydream of the way it is today |
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There will be, but not now. Conditions will get a lot worse before people are desperate enough to take up sides in a civil war or war of secession. |
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I'm in the UK and having moved house a few years back, have yet to re-register to vote. |
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I have friends who'll say I have to get registered and 'have my vote' come next year but who really believes it matters anymore? |
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Looking at UK politics just over the last few years it's an utter shitshow. Politians are so transparent in their motivations, and manipulations of the public. Whichever party you vote for, you're still voting for business as usual, the choice is having a party of political cruelty or one of political impotence. Take your pick. |
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Yes, this is democracy in crisis - you either have to vote for a 80 y o de-attached men that did nothing but politics in his life, or for 70 y o right-wing populist with an insurrection history. Neither can or is interested in re-distributing the ever-growing power of capital owners, or making gov system more representative or democratic. |
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To be fair - other western countries are in a similar place, and most of developing world is now ruled either by soft-authoritarians or by actual authoritarians. |
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We learned nothing from 20th-century history. |
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The government is voted on by people, and some people oddly gravitate toward voting for the worst possible candidates. |
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They shoulder as much or more of the blame. |
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That's what happens when 20% of the population is in a cult, and have abandoned reality.",48,2023-12-20 14:46:03 |
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ke80hgz,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,[deleted],48,2023-12-20 19:43:11 |
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ke6icun,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"To be fair, he hasn’t been able to for decades so there’s no way to tell if the dementia has already begun or not.",47,2023-12-20 14:07:07 |
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ke6jf52,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,[deleted],46,2023-12-20 14:15:01 |
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ke83fu5,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,How do you not know that you’re being attacked with anthrax? Shouldn’t that go to the FBI?,45,2023-12-20 20:00:39 |
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ke6m4uv,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"No, look at it this way. This sets a precedent where it becomes tit for tat now for every future election both parties will continue to arbitrarily ban nominees for whatever reason. It will accelerate collapse of this country to a 3rd world state which will not be like the movies mi amigo.",45,2023-12-20 14:34:29 |
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ke95exv,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"The most hilarious thing about the Colorado Supreme Court ruling is that the lawsuit was put forth by republicans to keep Trump off the ballot. Not democrats. Republicans. Let that sink in for a moment. |
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What’s scary though is that the RNC is blaming democrats.",44,2023-12-21 00:01:51 |
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ke9g7jk,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"A person would have to be a fucking moron to actually send anthrax. My local city is a college town and a chemist student was making anthrax. The FBI rolled in, flopped their equipment around a 12 block radius like a big floppy dick, and the chemist is probably sitting in some hole in federal prison for the rest of his life. |
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Edit: apparently it was only 4 square blocks. I just remembered feeling scared because I couldn't get home. |
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Think about all the money paid into it only to be told, screw you, and you better keep paying. I think that would definitely set it off |
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Everything is political. Politics is never supposed to be boring, that decades-long sleepwalking since FDR put the American populace to sleep is the reason why neoliberals were able to have done the damage they’ve done in the first place. |
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I hate everything about Trump and everything he stands for to my core, but you have encapsulated perfectly why both sides are complicit in this. |
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Milquetoast neoliberal pseudo-progressive politics don't have shit on fascist rhetoric, and they know that."" |
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A truer statement can't be found... |
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Almost 2/3 of this country lives paycheck to paycheck. When you're struggling the way a lot of folks are, you simply are looking for the person who is offering what you perceive to be the easiest way out. |
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And throughout all of human history, the easiest answers always require blaming someone else (which evolves into the fascist endgoal- the desire/need to cleanse those people from society) |
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I want to see MAGA crushed as bad as anyone, and to be clear that is my only priority for the 2024 elections. |
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But to your point, the fever will break with Trump bc all ideological movements like MAGA need a cult leader to animate and bind the group. |
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But, the fascist undercurrents will still be there until and unless we address the very real needs the electorate is angry about.",43,2023-12-20 16:03:21 |
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ke78cb0,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,[deleted],43,2023-12-20 16:55:37 |
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ke72ddk,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,Or just that legal consequences don’t materialize for sufficiently powerful people which is not new.,42,2023-12-20 16:19:36 |
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ke6xlw3,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,Life would be so much better if social media didn’t exist and every cable news company building got struck by lightning and burned down.,41,2023-12-20 15:49:58 |
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ke74mp7,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"And a lot of us don't even want this stuff. |
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It's all these crazies and War Dogs who can't accept No for an answer. |
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Scary, but true. FOX/CNN news have reached new levels of dramatization. |
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The 2020 election happened in the midst of a global pandemic that upended just about everything in people's lives. An event like that puts people in a knife's edge. Whether they got laid off, or had to work as poorly payed essential employees or dealt with unrecognizable forced isolation or maybe saw a loved one succumb to the virus, the resulting stresses put many of us in a very desperate place. Society was a race car in the red. Then George Floyd was murdered... in the middle of the summer... in the height of a divisive election cycle. All of that made for a powder-keg that ignited. And I'm very concerned that the potential energy in that powder keg still exists in much of the country. Discourse between people has not improved. Many have picked their side politically and aren't even trying to talk to anybody who opposes them. Everyday we are exposed to de-humanizing rhetoric from one side towards the other. And economically, I don't feel many see their standard of living much improved in the 4 years since the last election. Inequality has only accelerated. I fear the 2024 election will just be a cause and resulting effect of what happens when the general populace increasingly becomes more desperate. Desperate people do desperate things. I fear some sort of event will be a catalyst like George Floyd was in 2020. A powder keg only requires a lit match.",40,2023-12-20 15:43:02 |
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ke7e93q,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"Not only do good people not end up in politics, but generationally the same families and bloodlines tend be in or near power and some of them even manage to trick us into thinking we independently voted them in.",40,2023-12-20 17:30:51 |
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ke6pqzn,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"I don't agree that every election has the potential to trigger mass civil unrest. That's a bothsides argument. |
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The problem is with a minority of the minority party that represents a minority of Americans: the Republicans. They are explicitly calling for violence right now.",39,2023-12-20 14:59:17 |
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ke6znlc,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"They are grooming paramilitaries, 100%. Months ago, I stopped in to grab lunch at a diner in a small Cascade mountain town. I noticed a flier on the community bulletin board for what was clearly a paramilitary organization of some sorts. They were recruiting adolescent boys, teenagers, etc. for weekly ""survival"" skill training. I cannot remember the exact wording but it definitely gave me Hitler youth vibes.",39,2023-12-20 16:02:40 |
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ke7lk9l,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"This is misrepresenting the situation. Trump has actually done things to be left off the ballot. He’s very bad, toxic, and racist. He deserves to be left off while others don’t.",38,2023-12-20 18:14:13 |
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ke75spc,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,The seeds were sown long ago. We’re almost at the fruiting stage.,37,2023-12-20 16:40:29 |
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ke8f8e3,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"Yup. There's a popular mandate for fascism in the United States, and always has been. If Nazi Germany didn't expand so aggressively and force alliances to trigger, we would have got on like peas and carrots, we were an apartheid white supremacist society at the time and suppressed left wing movements just like them.",37,2023-12-20 21:11:38 |
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ke7qmbh,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"It's the same thing we see with the Russian army right now. Those meat waves would be infinitely better off turning their rifles on the scumbags who are sending them to die in frozen mud holes in Ukraine,but instead they are so inundated with anti ukraine/nato propaganda that its all they can see. We aren't so different in this country. |
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Don't mistake that statement as sympathetic to the Russians who are gleefully raping and killing children and any other civilian they can find. They have chosen the path of evil and they deserve everything that falls out of the sky and removes their limbs. |
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were already there, look at the points you just listed and youll see they match reality in the US |
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Yeah everyone forgets that Trump's packed supreme court gets the final say in this lol. Everything until then is just theater. Also who didn't see this coming? There is an argument to be made that he is disqualified under 14A, so now the people whose job it is to interpret the constitution will interpret the constitution. |
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I mean, when it actually goes down it will be cities vs rural. The idea whole states would agree to fight for one side or another is history |
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>All that's left to do is wait until the system tips over and a new equilibrium is found. |
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I wish there was hope for a new and just equilibrium for all life on earth. But given the collapse of the biosphere, along with human induced alterations of the lithosphere, hydrosphere and atmosphere, I do not believe this is possible.",30,2023-12-20 16:58:51 |
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ke78y8c,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,Look at how many guns are out and about in the USA. If the government ever fails this place will never recover,30,2023-12-20 16:59:17 |
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ke77dgs,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"Many folks have said they’re going to abstain from voting for him due to his support of the genocide of Palestinians. I get it and hate the dems, but the gop is far worse. This country is about to learn a horrifying lesson.",30,2023-12-20 16:49:54 |
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ke8dxyy,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,This whole country is a tinderbox. I see people going nuts all around me and the system moving towards dystopia. The election is just tinder on the fire....,29,2023-12-20 21:03:50 |
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ke85km1,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,Hopefully Republicans are too sexist to vote for a woman,29,2023-12-20 20:13:28 |
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ke8hi84,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"The CIA has been installing far right dictators for decades. The FBI's job pretty much since day 1 was suppressing left wing speech. |
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Coups rarely are bottom up, they're launched from a faction of insiders at the top.",29,2023-12-20 21:25:25 |
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ke6kzut,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,Calling Alex Garland a propagandist is weird and completely false...,27,2023-12-20 14:26:17 |
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ke6ktvb,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,There are a million ways that it could play out that way. I don't know why people keep saying this.,26,2023-12-20 14:25:07 |
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ke728v8,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,[deleted],25,2023-12-20 16:18:48 |
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ke7x7ej,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,The Democratic Party fucking sucks. They’ve squandered so many opportunities (likely by design).,25,2023-12-20 19:23:29 |
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ke714v4,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,This is a sad fact I’ve been realizing. The world we’ve created is moving too quickly to wait on democratic decisions. Much faster and more efficient to disregard the will of the people and just make governing decisions. I think this is a big reason we are seeing democracy decline worldwide.,25,2023-12-20 16:11:55 |
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ke7poam,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,,25,2023-12-20 18:38:38 |
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ke6n0rr,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,Which clown? lol. Our choice is between two senile old men who should be in nursing homes. It’s a shitshow.,24,2023-12-20 14:40:42 |
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ke7ovn9,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,For now. Once food becomes a serious problem politics tend to change rapidly and radical ideas get shoved up to the forefront for potential solutions.,24,2023-12-20 18:33:53 |
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ke7z2lp,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,,24,2023-12-20 19:34:44 |
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ke7yfzs,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,,24,2023-12-20 19:30:58 |
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ke9jg5m,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,,24,2023-12-21 01:40:26 |
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ke7q8qm,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,,23,2023-12-20 18:41:59 |
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ke6hxs4,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States)., |
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ke6hmhd,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,Not to mention this really just forces SCOTUS to decide,23,2023-12-20 14:01:39 |
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ke7733k,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,Malcolm X was spot-on about the white liberal.,23,2023-12-20 16:48:11 |
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ke7500p,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States)., |
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ke6u8v5,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States)., |
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ke7bmr1,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,I'm with you. I absolutely detest the democrats since Clinton completed the selling out of the working class for corporate interests. But republicans are just anathema..,23,2023-12-20 17:15:18 |
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ke6lgoe,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,What a naive thing to say. The problems we are facing today have nothing to do with some people not voting and forcing people to vote for politicians that they don't trust or believe in certainly isn't a democracy.,22,2023-12-20 14:29:38 |
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ke945db,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"No. There will be protests for sure, and they’ll be violent. But it will end up like the 2020 protests, with no real change to the system. Cancelling social security just isn’t enough to get millions of people willing to risk their lives and freedom in a violent revolution.",22,2023-12-20 23:52:56 |
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ke937p1,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"America needs to switch to an approval ballot where you make your mark beside every candidate who is an acceptable choice. |
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The candidate with the most approvals wins the election. |
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This biases towards candidates who best represent the views of the greatest portion of the voting population, which is kind of the idea behind democracy in the first place.",21,2023-12-20 23:46:26 |
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ke87fh3,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,I’ll be honest I’m actually nervous about even going to vote in person because of the fucking crazies who might shoot the damn places up.,21,2023-12-20 20:24:36 |
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ke9aifm,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"*""Every accusation is a confession...""*",21,2023-12-21 00:37:56 |
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ke7g31t,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,Why are you assuming that every state will just be able to get factual court decisions that their opposing politicans engaged in insurrection?,21,2023-12-20 17:41:47 |
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ke6vg4k,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"They will if in power soon target the rich to steal their assets. First those that have fallen out of favor, but soon enough under any pretext for the purpose of stealing assets. They will cooperate with parasitical forces in our economy no doubt to target our productive companies, the resulting economic fall out will be blamed on their scapegoats, and those new scapegoats will be targeted.",21,2023-12-20 15:36:22 |
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ke7h76h,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"one side is becoming openly authoritarian and working actively to dehumanize me based on my sexuality and religious leaning, while heavily implying they are ok with things like death squads and ethnic cleansing in order to do this and consolidate power. |
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the other side is actively trying to disarm me in the face of this threat, implying I should entrust my safety and well being to a corrupt police force which sees themselves as separate from the citizens they are charged with protecting, who operate like a gang, and is frequently infiltrated by authoritarians. |
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fuck em both.",21,2023-12-20 17:48:23 |
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ke72q6t,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"I'll hold my nose and vote for Biden if I have to, but he's a war-mongering neo-liberal",21,2023-12-20 16:21:47 |
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ke78bod,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"Something people need to realize, and I know I am gonna take some flack here, but try and look at it objectively. |
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There are a lot of people who want Trump. A shit ton. Not half of the country perhaps, but pretty damn close. Otherwise, the polls would not be what they are. Otherwise, the threat of his possible re-election would not be a viable one. |
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They can be wrong. All of them who support Trump could be wrong, and maybe even evil. That's not for me to say, I hate all politicians equally. I actually *look forward* to the system burning down every day. If I was religious and had a daily prayer, that would be it. |
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God, please burn this motherfucker to the ground today. Amen. |
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But those Trump supporters who voted in 2016 and 2020, that is tens of millions of people who want a certain thing, a certain way of life. And trying to deny them the opportunity to express that desire by voting invalidates the entire concept of free and fair elections. It isn't a group of a few hundred thugs trying to do some criminal shit. It is a *large portion of the national population.* |
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Murder is wrong. But if enough people want it to be legal, and will vote for that, then it must be allowed. Right and wrong have never had anything to do with legality. |
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By trying to use other means besides voting to prevent a vote from taking place, you are effectively robbing those millions of people of their political voice and their right to self-determination. |
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We had a taste of that once. When a large portion of the population wanted some stupid shit and the majority didn't want them to have it. The political processes at the time are irrelevant, because we have a name for that time. |
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We call it the Civil War. |
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So, even though I am not a fan of our system in general, I say let them vote for whoever they want. Don't we hate it when green party candidates get scratched off the tickets? So, let 'em all run. Unimpeded. Let all the voices be heard, and let the numbers decide, and if we have to fight over it after, then let it be *after* we tried it the democratic way. |
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Yeah, electing Trump may be the straw that breaks the camels back, it may plunge the world into chaos and destruction... but if that is what people vote for, then that is the process we agreed to. |
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For what's it's worth, I did some number crunching awhile back to try and get a sense of this very issue, i.e., how much of a minority are Trump supporters? I define 'Trump supporter' as anyone who'll cast a vote for him, as that is the acid test: if you help elect him. |
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To address this question, you have to jettison the whole political party framing: it's not useful. Better to just consider people as voters. |
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So, in theory, **there were about 229,247,182 eligible voters in 2020**. (This is a broad figure that includes people who actually cannot vote -- mentally or psychologically disabled, prisoners, those disqualified by criminal records, those who fell off the registers for some reason, etc. Those who fall into such categories end up non-voters, but not necessarily because they're apathetic or unwilling to vote.) |
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So, out of this pool, here's how people voted: |
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Even in a critical election, only about two thirds of eligible U.S. voters went to the polls. Of the third who did not vote, the vast majority were non-voters by choice: they simply could not be bothered to vote. |
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Of the voters, **47.73% voted for the fascist, Trump**. |
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**This means we saved the country by a mere 4.54% vote margin.** |
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What does this mean? For me, it suggests that it's important to understand the third who did not vote, and it underscores that we will be fighting a life-or-death battle to preserve democracy, the Constitution, rule of law, etc., every election for the foreseeable future. As a democracy our biggest challenge is how many potential voters are too disillusioned/apathetic to vote. That's who the Dems should focus on motivating. Stacey Abrams did that in Georgie, and delivered two Democratic Senators. (Imagine a world in which she failed!) |
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**Upshot: Trump supporters may technically be a minority, but that's not meaningful against the backdrop of the current political landscape and our electorate.**",20,2023-12-20 19:58:11 |
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ke70ywy,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"*Continue* to arbitrarily ban? Are you saying that the move in Colorado is arbitrary? I mean, feel free to disagree with the decision, but don’t call it arbitrary. It’s based on a plausible argument.",20,2023-12-20 16:10:52 |
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ke6xiom,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"My fear is that people will blame Biden for inflation and rising housing costs (as if it’s not happening everywhere) and will not be motivated enough to vote, even after seeing through disaster of Trump in office. People are short-sighted and understandably disenfranchised.",20,2023-12-20 15:49:25 |
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ke9k0l8,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"it was me. i wrote it. i'm here, on reddit, reading your approval. tysm. |
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They've been trying to get their hands on social security for decades. If they ever succeed, whoosh, that will be the quick end of that as well. It's why they always use defeated language when talking about it. According to the thieves it's both hopeless and undeserved. As if the people didn't pay for it with every paycheck. Fucking lowlifes. |
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As a non-american, I personally enjoy US elections. The level of coverage is maybe a bit high, though it is of international significance so perhaps warranted. |
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But what I enjoy is the absolutely madness, the comically polarising statements, the blatant incompetence, the straight faced lies, the random nonsensical sentences, all of it. It's hilarious, though perhaps a little depressing, to have so much proof that that best candidate cannot be elected in the US system. |
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Now perhaps my country's system is literally the same, and our elected leaders certainly don't seem too much better than what the US gets. But our election campaigns are nowhere near as entertaining.",19,2023-12-21 00:22:10 |
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ke6lz9w,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"All in all, I think Americans are a lot of bark and not a lot of bite. Yeah a few crazies have and will get some punches in, but a lot of the Jan 6 folks were just people who spend way too much time online. Their reactions to being prosecuted says a lot....they're delusional. |
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Political cruelty or political impotence - nice turn of phrase - I’m definitely using that, thanks!!! |
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Oh, I'm not saying it is a good idea. I'm just pointing out that with the US electoral vote, winner-take-all system it would make no difference in the end result. |
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I do not see our current decline in political civility turning around. Our current level of polarization will probably last well past collapse and into still resentful about the Civil War territory. |
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Instead of foreign support it will be a free for all mass looting by every nation that can land a ship or plane on us soil. Pretty sure our enemies are coiled and ready to strike if Trump wins, which will almost certainly blast us into collapse. If they are about to implement even a fraction of what they have planned in writing, this nation is finished. |
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During the race riots I heard of flyers here in Michigan people were spreading around town (in the homeowner sections of town naturally not mine renter section,) recruiting people to protect their communities. |
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Incidentally it's a good idea to organize, but these yahoos were surely working for the bad guys not organizing to protect voting officials or whatnot. |
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I remember in your neck of the woods in 2020 with those wildfires near the Cascades the Right were blaming Antifas for it and some dumbass militia set up road blocks to check for those malign Antifas.",16,2023-12-20 16:21:23 |
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ke8vmhs,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,The 1% are doing better than ever and that’s all what counts…,16,2023-12-20 22:54:29 |
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ke7qmru,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"I'm an election worker in Georgia. I started last year, so well after the 2020 election. I'm definitely going to be more vigilant in these upcoming elections, but ultimately I'm still worried about the possibility of violence. |
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Al Jazeera's investigations had a thing about Labor's conservatives purging the Corbyn (I think his name was,) and left from the party based on this massive leak of internal party documents that I found illuminating. Their main tool was (clearly mostly bad faith,) anti-semitism accusations, and the Jewish people in the party were several times more likely to be purged for anti-semitism than the gentiles even. They had selective enforcement of rules and straight up knowing false allegations they made stick anyway. |
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It's the same thing across the West, the left is absent from politics and has been co-opted by business that is too greedy in the short-term to save their own long term future.",15,2023-12-20 14:01:54 |
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ke79yrs,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"If Biden fairly loses the election and then orders his followers to storm the Capitol in an effort to overturn the results, I will wholeheartedly support his removal from future ballots.",15,2023-12-20 17:05:19 |
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ke7wfks,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"The issue is the government, but unfortunately Trump has successfully convinced some folks that HE’S the one who can fix the government. I remember that swamp he drained as if it were only SOMETHING THAT NEVER HAPPENED.",15,2023-12-20 19:18:53 |
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ke7mrx4,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"i feel this way often, but strongly recommend finding at least a little bit of hopium. |
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if we don’t find small ways to make things better for those of us around us and in our community, or have an small hope for the future, what’s the point? |
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i recommended ‘Poetry is not a Luxury” by Audre Lorde",15,2023-12-20 18:21:23 |
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ke71r82,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,And yet more true than ever. One side is a slow steady collapse and the other is maybe a quicker one. It’s coming one way or another it’s just if you want to accelerate it. No politicians in the US have your interests at heart unless you are a wall street financier,15,2023-12-20 16:15:46 |
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ke6txao,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,California has more republicans than Texas…,15,2023-12-20 15:26:37 |
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ke7s267,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,Personally I have zero problem supporting the candidate that isn't going to put me in a gas oven. I wish cis people felt the same.,14,2023-12-20 18:52:43 |
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ke898cr,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,,14,2023-12-20 20:35:31 |
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ke70iss,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,30% of voters is like 50 million people. If only 1% of those are ready to 'go to war' that is still 500k people. Sure they are spread thin across the nation but 500k people is an army... These people need to be taken seriously.,14,2023-12-20 16:08:06 |
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ke71zjd,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,[deleted],14,2023-12-20 16:17:12 |
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ke71roi,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States)., |
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,13,2023-12-20 16:15:51 |
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ke6qadj,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,[deleted],13,2023-12-20 15:02:54 |
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ke8ru2n,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,[removed],13,2023-12-20 22:29:49 |
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ke853as,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States)., |
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,13,2023-12-20 20:10:34 |
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ke6zauw,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,[deleted],13,2023-12-20 16:00:26 |
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ke7avq2,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,Only in the short term,13,2023-12-20 17:10:49 |
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ke6nt9i,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States)., |
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,13,2023-12-20 14:46:11 |
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ke7zy5c,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,,12,2023-12-20 19:39:59 |
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ke7xi2n,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States)., |
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,12,2023-12-20 19:25:17 |
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ke6qa25,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,Bothsides arguments are so very tedious.,12,2023-12-20 15:02:51 |
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kebpbm5,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,,12,2023-12-21 14:13:46 |
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ke8f712,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,Don't forget that after the collapse we will be wide open for takeover by another shittier country. It's not like when the govt stops our resources disappear.,12,2023-12-20 21:11:24 |
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ke6u8v6,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,My favorite character like that lives in Oregon on the way to Crater Lake from Klamath Falls. Dude's whole house is signs. He loves trump and hates just about everything. He even has beef with the National Park Service. It's wild,12,2023-12-20 15:28:40 |
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ke86ykn,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,,12,2023-12-20 20:21:47 |
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kea3vh9,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States)., |
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ke7ldz1,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,What the GOP gun nuts don't know is that the minute an authoritarian govt takes over the first thing they do is take everyone's guns away including the ones who put them in power.,11,2023-12-20 18:13:11 |
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ke88frj,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States)., |
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,11,2023-12-20 20:30:40 |
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ke8gken,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,,11,2023-12-20 21:19:42 |
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ke7vhcf,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States)., |
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,11,2023-12-20 19:13:04 |
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ke8kyo7,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,,11,2023-12-20 21:46:27 |
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ke74wso,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States)., |
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,11,2023-12-20 16:35:10 |
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ke8qtk3,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,[removed],11,2023-12-20 22:23:18 |
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ke86knj,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States)., |
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,11,2023-12-20 20:19:29 |
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ke7iccg,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,,10,2023-12-20 17:55:05 |
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ke6l9pt,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,Genocide Joe has lost everybody on the left over his support of Israel.,10,2023-12-20 14:28:16 |
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ke9um7y,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,,10,2023-12-21 02:58:56 |
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ke8d1h5,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States)., |
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ke6gm2h,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,,10,2023-12-20 13:53:58 |
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ke7vkxq,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,I agree with what you said. I also think there should be processess to prevent oligarchical insurerrectional facist from rising to the top,10,2023-12-20 19:13:40 |
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ke73cv6,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,,10,2023-12-20 16:25:40 |
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ke7gro1,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,,10,2023-12-20 17:45:51 |
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ke7g5gg,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States)., |
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,10,2023-12-20 17:42:11 |
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ke9uyfn,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,Watching the Portland Antifa siege of the federal building via livestream was wild. Feds boarded it up and shot tear gas out of gunny holes. A week in they were supported by moms with swim goggles and dads with leaf blowers blowing back the tear gas.,10,2023-12-21 03:01:24 |
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ke7inxy,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States)., |
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ke786kq,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,Tedious? What does your comment even mean? Both sides ARE shit shows. You get to vote for corporate elitist A or corporate elitist B. Either way YOU are fucked. Get back to work you fucking slave.,10,2023-12-20 16:54:39 |
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ke8nk5w,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States)., |
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ke8un3m,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,,9,2023-12-20 22:48:08 |
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ke71x7a,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,From Colorado. I'm not looking forward to November when it comes; I'm truly wondering if this is the beginning of something much darker on the horizon.,9,2023-12-20 16:16:48 |
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ke7lcff,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States)., |
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ke6r91m,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,The repubs are going to pull all the stops to fuck America.,9,2023-12-20 15:09:19 |
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