submissions/df_24.csv

title,score,url,num_comments,created,body,id,content
"It Will Be an Election Unlike Any We’ve Lived Through. Are the Democrats Prepared? | Like it or not, 2024 has arrived. We’re in for 11 months of hell. But the outcome is far from preordained.",4312,https://newrepublic.com/article/177785/democrats-2024-election-prepared-fight,833,2024-01-02 16:24:50,,18wtb9a,"It Will Be an Election Unlike Any We’ve Lived Through. Are the Democrats Prepared? | Like it or not, 2024 has arrived. We’re in for 11 months of hell. But the outcome is far from preordained.
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Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,11894,https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/04/politics/illinois-voters-ask-elections-board-to-take-trump-off-2024-ballot/index.html,849,2024-01-04 22:51:40,,18yqkok,"Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot
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Attorney General Merrick Garland says there should be ‘speedy trial’ of Trump as 2024 election looms,8851,https://edition.cnn.com/2024/01/19/politics/merrick-garland-trump-speedy-trial/index.html,497,2024-01-19 20:43:34,,19at8br,"Attorney General Merrick Garland says there should be ‘speedy trial’ of Trump as 2024 election looms
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Trump is bleeding moderate support. It could cost him the 2024 election.,16222,https://www.politico.com/news/2024/01/23/trump-moderate-republicans-problem-00137112,3318,2024-01-23 11:44:09,,19dml2v,"Trump is bleeding moderate support. It could cost him the 2024 election.
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Exclusive: Xi promised Biden China wouldn’t interfere in 2024 election,4572,https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/30/politics/xi-biden-china-us-2024-election/index.html,528,2024-01-30 17:55:32,,1aeume2,"Exclusive: Xi promised Biden China wouldn’t interfere in 2024 election
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What If Lawless GOP Lawmakers in the House Refuse to Certify the 2024 Election?,4292,https://www.commondreams.org/opinion/if-gop-refuse-to-certify-election-in-2024,484,2024-02-02 21:02:35,,1ahe6cm,"What If Lawless GOP Lawmakers in the House Refuse to Certify the 2024 Election?
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Joe Biden Lists Why a Second Trump Presidency Would Be a ‘Nightmare’ - Biden told voters at a speech in Nevada that the 2024 presidential election was shaping up to be a “battle for the soul of our nation.”,15970,https://www.thedailybeast.com/joe-biden-lists-reasons-why-a-second-trump-presidency-would-be-a-nightmare,2204,2024-02-05 12:06:13,,1ajey92,"Joe Biden Lists Why a Second Trump Presidency Would Be a ‘Nightmare’ - Biden told voters at a speech in Nevada that the 2024 presidential election was shaping up to be a “battle for the soul of our nation.”
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Jon Stewart Says ‘Daily Show’ Return Was Prompted by Wanting to Have a “Place to Unload Thoughts” Ahead of 2024 Election,5769,https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/jon-stewart-daily-show-return-apple-exit-interview-1235822509/,508,2024-02-12 15:58:11,,1ap38zi,"Jon Stewart Says ‘Daily Show’ Return Was Prompted by Wanting to Have a “Place to Unload Thoughts” Ahead of 2024 Election
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"Russia’s 2024 election interference has already begun: Moscow is spreading disinformation about Joe Biden and other Democrats to lessen U.S. military aid to Ukraine and U.S. support for NATO, former U.S. officials and cyber experts say",21771,https://www.nbcnews.com/news/investigations/russias-2024-election-interference-already-begun-rcna134204,1517,2024-02-26 13:27:36,,1b0hhnm,"Russia’s 2024 election interference has already begun: Moscow is spreading disinformation about Joe Biden and other Democrats to lessen U.S. military aid to Ukraine and U.S. support for NATO, former U.S. officials and cyber experts say
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What is the deal with holding no presidential debates for the 2024 election?,5558,https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/1b2jfh5/what_is_the_deal_with_holding_no_presidential/,1250,2024-02-28 22:23:33,"How can they get away with holding no presidential debates for the general election this year? Why would they opt out of doing so? Do they not feel beholden to the American people?

[https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/presidential-debates-2024-make-difference/story?id=106767559](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/presidential-debates-2024-make-difference/story?id=106767559)

​",1b2jfh5,"What is the deal with holding no presidential debates for the 2024 election?
How can they get away with holding no presidential debates for the general election this year? Why would they opt out of doing so? Do they not feel beholden to the American people?

[https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/presidential-debates-2024-make-difference/story?id=106767559](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/presidential-debates-2024-make-difference/story?id=106767559)

​"
Arizona Sen. Kyrsten Sinema will not seek re-election in 2024,8392,https://www.axios.com/2024/03/05/kyrsten-sinema-arizona-senate-reelection,860,2024-03-05 19:26:13,,1b7e164,"Arizona Sen. Kyrsten Sinema will not seek re-election in 2024
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Russian elections 2024,48729,https://www.reddit.com/gallery/1bfgmm8,3047,2024-03-15 15:28:09,,1bfgmm8,"Russian elections 2024
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"Preliminary voting results in 2024 russian ""elections""",32507,https://i.redd.it/sa65tsea5yoc1.jpeg,3175,2024-03-17 19:33:18,,1bh6b6j,"Preliminary voting results in 2024 russian ""elections""
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"If Trump loses the 2024 election, what will happen?",170,https://www.reddit.com/r/PoliticalDiscussion/comments/1bhq7xv/if_trump_loses_the_2024_election_what_will_happen/,514,2024-03-18 13:03:57,"There is a lot of focus on the possibility of Trump winning the 2024 election, but what do you think will happen, and what will Trump do, if he loses the election? What actions will he take assuming that he disputes the election results?",1bhq7xv,"If Trump loses the 2024 election, what will happen?
There is a lot of focus on the possibility of Trump winning the 2024 election, but what do you think will happen, and what will Trump do, if he loses the election? What actions will he take assuming that he disputes the election results?"
"Are you aware of Project 2025, the plan to install Christian Nationalism should Trump win the 2024 election?",9637,https://www.reddit.com/r/atheism/comments/1brfzzq/are_you_aware_of_project_2025_the_plan_to_install/,1013,2024-03-30 11:48:51,"The best thing about the prior Trump administration was their incompetence. Project 2025 aims to correct that problem via drastic measures.   


Besides voting, how can we stop this?

If we can't stop it, how do we survive this?",1brfzzq,"Are you aware of Project 2025, the plan to install Christian Nationalism should Trump win the 2024 election?
The best thing about the prior Trump administration was their incompetence. Project 2025 aims to correct that problem via drastic measures.   


Besides voting, how can we stop this?

If we can't stop it, how do we survive this?"
"If This Trump Warning on 2024 Doesn’t Scare You, You’re Sleepwalking | Donald Trump is warning that 2024 could be America’s “last election.”",4347,https://newrepublic.com/post/180370/trump-warning-2024-scare-you-sleepwalking,319,2024-04-03 13:09:04,,1bus6m0,"If This Trump Warning on 2024 Doesn’t Scare You, You’re Sleepwalking | Donald Trump is warning that 2024 could be America’s “last election.”
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Updated: 2024 Election Cheat Sheet,2772,https://i.redd.it/jw4eog5ilasc1.jpeg,1146,2024-04-03 16:37:57,,1bux8vr,"Updated: 2024 Election Cheat Sheet
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Trump Says He Has Enough Votes to “Cancel” 2024 Presidential Election,5537,https://truthout.org/articles/trump-says-he-has-enough-votes-to-cancel-2024-presidential-election/,650,2024-04-14 17:29:02,,1c3yycd,"Trump Says He Has Enough Votes to “Cancel” 2024 Presidential Election
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Lara Trump vows RNC will 'physically handle the ballots' in 2024 presidential election,3727,https://www.rawstory.com/lara-trump-rnc-2667862647/,647,2024-04-24 12:55:12,Oh no she won’t. Cheating is the only way Orange Top ever wins. He won’t get away with stealing another election. He’s going down in orange flames.,1cbxggf,"Lara Trump vows RNC will 'physically handle the ballots' in 2024 presidential election
Oh no she won’t. Cheating is the only way Orange Top ever wins. He won’t get away with stealing another election. He’s going down in orange flames."
Trump Refuses to Commit to Accepting 2024 Election Results,7520,https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-refuses-commit-accepting-2024-election-results-1235013997/amp/,915,2024-05-02 15:53:20,,1cij596,"Trump Refuses to Commit to Accepting 2024 Election Results
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2024 is the most important election in world history,2332,https://i.redd.it/m0gnw0n73iyc1.jpeg,534,2024-05-05 00:14:29,,1ckei5b,"2024 is the most important election in world history
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"Trump Suggests He Might Not Accept 2024 Election Results if He Loses, Repeats 2020 Election Lies",2754,https://diceuropanew.uk/trump-suggests-might-accept-2024-election-results/,395,2024-05-07 17:20:04,,1cmh9xm,"Trump Suggests He Might Not Accept 2024 Election Results if He Loses, Repeats 2020 Election Lies
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Biden Thinks Trump Won't Accept 2024 Election Result,12013,https://www.huffpost.com/entry/joe-biden-donald-trump-2024-result_n_663c10d9e4b0c38baf0edf67,927,2024-05-09 13:06:28,,1cnwu8c,"Biden Thinks Trump Won't Accept 2024 Election Result
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"$600,000,000 spent on the 2024 elections by 50 Families",8554,https://www.reddit.com/gallery/1ctkqmt,255,2024-05-16 19:01:56,"Register to vote: https://vote.gov

Contact your reps:

Senate: https://www.senate.gov/senators/senators-contact.htm?Class=1

House of Representatives: https://contactrepresentatives.org/
",1ctkqmt,"$600,000,000 spent on the 2024 elections by 50 Families
Register to vote: https://vote.gov

Contact your reps:

Senate: https://www.senate.gov/senators/senators-contact.htm?Class=1

House of Representatives: https://contactrepresentatives.org/
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Bring on the 2024 election,26972,https://i.redd.it/3ttfacly6o1d1.jpeg,2182,2024-05-20 23:58:37,,1cwub58,"Bring on the 2024 election
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Cruz refuses to unconditionally accept results of 2024 election,4336,https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/23/politics/ted-cruz-2024-election-cnntv/index.html,379,2024-05-23 13:27:34,,1cysrln,"Cruz refuses to unconditionally accept results of 2024 election
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"Don't vote for the Stein, aka the Green (Getting Republicans Elected Every November) Party nominee. Vote Democratic/Biden 2024!",3247,https://i.redd.it/ibggwn4ll92d1.png,655,2024-05-23 23:58:00,,1cz7hok,"Don't vote for the Stein, aka the Green (Getting Republicans Elected Every November) Party nominee. Vote Democratic/Biden 2024!
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South African general election results in 2019 and 2024. Largest party by municipality.,2624,https://i.redd.it/d1m3ip0tjy3d1.png,382,2024-06-01 12:57:53,,1d5merl,"South African general election results in 2019 and 2024. Largest party by municipality.
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LOK SABHA ELECTIONS 2024 RESULTS MEGATHREAD LIVE,2501,https://i.redd.it/itblh4bcug4d1.jpeg,6937,2024-06-04 02:28:46,,1d7mfnu,"LOK SABHA ELECTIONS 2024 RESULTS MEGATHREAD LIVE
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India Election Results (2024),2897,https://i.redd.it/8poutog50l4d1.png,444,2024-06-04 16:27:30,,1d81ew7,"India Election Results (2024)
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France's European Election 2024 result.,3432,https://i.redd.it/nzgr5v3ncl5d1.jpeg,1061,2024-06-09 18:41:37,,1dc0u5t,"France's European Election 2024 result.
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Countries that allow voting online in the 2024 European Parliament elections,1949,https://i.redd.it/atwh8zf4pl5d1.jpeg,1307,2024-06-09 19:52:21,,1dc2hlp,"Countries that allow voting online in the 2024 European Parliament elections
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2024 European Parliament election in Germany,8225,https://i.redd.it/41xqh2bwnp5d1.png,1417,2024-06-10 09:13:49,,1dch7ya,"2024 European Parliament election in Germany
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Map of 2024 European election results in France,8998,https://www.reddit.com/gallery/1dchz3a,2090,2024-06-10 10:07:29,,1dchz3a,"Map of 2024 European election results in France
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Voter turnout in 2024 European elections based on European Parliament provisional data,4502,https://i.redd.it/x0ghjuik856d1.jpeg,623,2024-06-12 13:34:55,,1de6t10,"Voter turnout in 2024 European elections based on European Parliament provisional data
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CMV: People shouldn't vote for Donald Trump in the 2024 election because he tried to overturn the results of the 2020 election,1515,https://www.reddit.com/r/changemyview/comments/1dek023/cmv_people_shouldnt_vote_for_donald_trump_in_the/,2117,2024-06-12 22:52:29,"Pretty simple opinion here. 

Donald Trump tried to overturn the results of the 2020 election. That's not just the Jan 6 riot, it's his efforts to submit fake electors, have legislatures overturn results, have Congress overturn results, have the VP refuse to read the ballots for certain states, and have Governors find fake votes. 

This was bad because the results weren't fraudulent. A House investigation, a Senate investigation, a DOJ investigation, various courts, etc all have examined this extensively and found the results weren't fraudulent.

So Trump effectively tried to overthrow the government. Biden was elected president and he wanted to take the power of the presidency away from Biden, and keep it himself. If he knew the results weren't fraudulent, and he did this, that would make him evil. If he genuinely the results were fraudulent, without any evidence supporting that, that would make him dangerously idiotic. Either way, he shouldn't be allowed to have power back because it is bad for a country to have either an evil or dangerously idiotic leader at the helm. 

So, why is this view not shared by half the country? Why is it wrong?

""_______________________________________________________""

EDIT: Okay for clarity's sake, I already currently hold the opinion that Trump voters themselves are either dangerously idiotic (they think the election *was* stolen) or evil (they support efforts to overthrow the government). I'm looking for a view that basically says, ""Here's why it's morally and intellectually acceptable to vote for Trump even if you don't believe the election was stolen and you don't want the government overthrown.""

EDIT 2: Alright I'm going to bed. I'd like to thank everyone for conversing with me with a special shoutout to u/seekerofsecrets1 who changed my view. His comment basically pointed out how there are a number of allegations of impropriety against the Dems in regards to elections. While I don't think any of those issues rise nearly to the level of what Trump did, but I can see how someone, who is not evil or an idiot, would think otherwise.

I would like to say that I found some of these comments deeply disheartening. Many comments largely argued that Republicans are choosing Trump because they value their own policy positions over any potential that Trump would try to upend democracy. Again. This reminds me of the David Frum quote: ""If conservatives become convinced that they cannot win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. They will reject democracy."" This message was supposed to be a negative assessment of conservatives, not a neutral statement on morality. We're not even at the point where conservatives can't win democratically, and yet, conservatives seem to be indicating they'd be willing to abandon democracy to advance conservatism.

EDIT 3: Alright, I've handed out a second delta now to u/decrpt for changing my view back to what it originally was. I had primarily changed my view because of the allegation that Obama spied on Trump. However, I had lazily failed to click the link, which refuted the claim made in the comment. I think at the time I just really wanted my view changed because I don't really like my view.

At this point, I think this CMV is likely done, although I may check back. On the whole, here were the general arguments I received and why they didn't change my view:

1. *Trump voters don't believe the election was stolen.*

When I said, ""People should not vote for Donald Trump,"" I meant both types of ""should."" As in, it's a dumb idea, and it's an evil idea. You shouldn't do it. So, if a voter thought it was stolen, that's not a good reason to vote for Donald Trump. It's a bad reason.

2. *Trump voters value their own policy preferences/self-interest over the preservation of democracy and the Constitution.*

I hold democracy and the Constitution in high regard. The idea that a voter would support their own policy positions over the preservation of the system that allows people to advance their policy positions is morally wrong to me. If you don't like Biden's immigration policy, but you think Trump tried to overturn the election, you should vote Biden. Because you'll only have to deal with his policies for 4 years. If Trump wins, he'll almost certainly try to overturn the results of the 2028 election if a Dem wins. This is potentially subjecting Dems to eternity under MAGA rule, even if Dems are the electoral majority.

3. *I'm not concerned Trump will try to overturn the election again because the system will hold.*

""The system"" is comprised of people. At the very least, if Trump tries again, he will have a VP willing to overturn results. It is dangerous to allow the integrity of the system to be tested over and over. 

4. *Democrats did something comparable*

I originally awarded a delta for someone writing a good comment on this. I awarded a second delta to someone who pointed out why these examples were completely different. Look at the delta log to see why I changed my view back. 

Finally, I did previously hold a subsidiary view that, because there's no good reason to vote for Donald Trump in 2024 and doing so risks democracy, 2024 Trump voters shouldn't get to vote again. I know, very fascistic. I no longer hold that view. There must be some other way to preserve democracy without disenfranchising the anti-democratic. I don't know what it is though.",1dek023,"CMV: People shouldn't vote for Donald Trump in the 2024 election because he tried to overturn the results of the 2020 election
Pretty simple opinion here. 

Donald Trump tried to overturn the results of the 2020 election. That's not just the Jan 6 riot, it's his efforts to submit fake electors, have legislatures overturn results, have Congress overturn results, have the VP refuse to read the ballots for certain states, and have Governors find fake votes. 

This was bad because the results weren't fraudulent. A House investigation, a Senate investigation, a DOJ investigation, various courts, etc all have examined this extensively and found the results weren't fraudulent.

So Trump effectively tried to overthrow the government. Biden was elected president and he wanted to take the power of the presidency away from Biden, and keep it himself. If he knew the results weren't fraudulent, and he did this, that would make him evil. If he genuinely the results were fraudulent, without any evidence supporting that, that would make him dangerously idiotic. Either way, he shouldn't be allowed to have power back because it is bad for a country to have either an evil or dangerously idiotic leader at the helm. 

So, why is this view not shared by half the country? Why is it wrong?

""_______________________________________________________""

EDIT: Okay for clarity's sake, I already currently hold the opinion that Trump voters themselves are either dangerously idiotic (they think the election *was* stolen) or evil (they support efforts to overthrow the government). I'm looking for a view that basically says, ""Here's why it's morally and intellectually acceptable to vote for Trump even if you don't believe the election was stolen and you don't want the government overthrown.""

EDIT 2: Alright I'm going to bed. I'd like to thank everyone for conversing with me with a special shoutout to u/seekerofsecrets1 who changed my view. His comment basically pointed out how there are a number of allegations of impropriety against the Dems in regards to elections. While I don't think any of those issues rise nearly to the level of what Trump did, but I can see how someone, who is not evil or an idiot, would think otherwise.

I would like to say that I found some of these comments deeply disheartening. Many comments largely argued that Republicans are choosing Trump because they value their own policy positions over any potential that Trump would try to upend democracy. Again. This reminds me of the David Frum quote: ""If conservatives become convinced that they cannot win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. They will reject democracy."" This message was supposed to be a negative assessment of conservatives, not a neutral statement on morality. We're not even at the point where conservatives can't win democratically, and yet, conservatives seem to be indicating they'd be willing to abandon democracy to advance conservatism.

EDIT 3: Alright, I've handed out a second delta now to u/decrpt for changing my view back to what it originally was. I had primarily changed my view because of the allegation that Obama spied on Trump. However, I had lazily failed to click the link, which refuted the claim made in the comment. I think at the time I just really wanted my view changed because I don't really like my view.

At this point, I think this CMV is likely done, although I may check back. On the whole, here were the general arguments I received and why they didn't change my view:

1. *Trump voters don't believe the election was stolen.*

When I said, ""People should not vote for Donald Trump,"" I meant both types of ""should."" As in, it's a dumb idea, and it's an evil idea. You shouldn't do it. So, if a voter thought it was stolen, that's not a good reason to vote for Donald Trump. It's a bad reason.

2. *Trump voters value their own policy preferences/self-interest over the preservation of democracy and the Constitution.*

I hold democracy and the Constitution in high regard. The idea that a voter would support their own policy positions over the preservation of the system that allows people to advance their policy positions is morally wrong to me. If you don't like Biden's immigration policy, but you think Trump tried to overturn the election, you should vote Biden. Because you'll only have to deal with his policies for 4 years. If Trump wins, he'll almost certainly try to overturn the results of the 2028 election if a Dem wins. This is potentially subjecting Dems to eternity under MAGA rule, even if Dems are the electoral majority.

3. *I'm not concerned Trump will try to overturn the election again because the system will hold.*

""The system"" is comprised of people. At the very least, if Trump tries again, he will have a VP willing to overturn results. It is dangerous to allow the integrity of the system to be tested over and over. 

4. *Democrats did something comparable*

I originally awarded a delta for someone writing a good comment on this. I awarded a second delta to someone who pointed out why these examples were completely different. Look at the delta log to see why I changed my view back. 

Finally, I did previously hold a subsidiary view that, because there's no good reason to vote for Donald Trump in 2024 and doing so risks democracy, 2024 Trump voters shouldn't get to vote again. I know, very fascistic. I no longer hold that view. There must be some other way to preserve democracy without disenfranchising the anti-democratic. I don't know what it is though."
"You are offered the opportunity to cancel the 2024 U.S. presidential election and hand-pick the next president, but everyone else in the country will know you did so.",1303,https://www.reddit.com/r/hypotheticalsituation/comments/1dhdnq3/you_are_offered_the_opportunity_to_cancel_the/,1764,2024-06-16 18:17:13,"A team of lawyers gravely explain to you that through some weird loophole or misprint in federal election law, you personally have the power to cancel the upcoming presidential election and choose the next president. It only applies to the 2024 election. It’s already been confirmed by the Supreme Court as being legally ironclad.

If you decide to take the deal, you can choose anyone, whether they’re a registered candidate or not (assuming they accept the position). If they don’t, you can keep choosing until someone accepts. You cannot choose yourself.

Once you choose, though, it will be announced in a televised press conference. The media circus will begin a few minutes thereafter. You will be identified as the person who chose.

EDIT: If you do decide to go through with it, the person you choose would select their vice president. They could tell you ahead of time who it would be, but they’d be under no legal obligation to actually stick to that choice once they’re president.

EDIT 2: All other presidential eligibility rules apply. You can’t choose Vladimir Putin or a 17-year-old kid or anything like that.",1dhdnq3,"You are offered the opportunity to cancel the 2024 U.S. presidential election and hand-pick the next president, but everyone else in the country will know you did so.
A team of lawyers gravely explain to you that through some weird loophole or misprint in federal election law, you personally have the power to cancel the upcoming presidential election and choose the next president. It only applies to the 2024 election. It’s already been confirmed by the Supreme Court as being legally ironclad.

If you decide to take the deal, you can choose anyone, whether they’re a registered candidate or not (assuming they accept the position). If they don’t, you can keep choosing until someone accepts. You cannot choose yourself.

Once you choose, though, it will be announced in a televised press conference. The media circus will begin a few minutes thereafter. You will be identified as the person who chose.

EDIT: If you do decide to go through with it, the person you choose would select their vice president. They could tell you ahead of time who it would be, but they’d be under no legal obligation to actually stick to that choice once they’re president.

EDIT 2: All other presidential eligibility rules apply. You can’t choose Vladimir Putin or a 17-year-old kid or anything like that."
Discussion Thread: First US Presidential General Election Debate of 2024 Between Joe Biden and Donald Trump,12319,https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1dq5s2f/discussion_thread_first_us_presidential_general/,53064,2024-06-27 23:49:16,"Tonight's debate will begin at 9 p.m. Eastern.  It will be moderated by CNN anchors Jake Tapper and Dana Bash.  There will be no audience, and the candidates' microphones will be muted at the end of the allotted time for each response.  The next presidential debate will be hosted by ABC and take place on September 10th, while the vice presidential debate has not yet been scheduled.  

**Analysis**

- AP: [How the Biden-Trump debate could change the trajectory of the 2024 campaign](https://apnews.com/article/bidentrumppresidentialdebate-0e7577e9a354a69f50675494fea54ca9)

- 538 via ABC: [Who Will Win The First Biden-Trump Presidential Debate? | We’re partnering with Ipsos to poll voters before and after the candidates take the stage.](https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-trump-june-debate-poll/)

**Live Fact Checking**

- Politifact via PBS NewsHour: [Live fact check: CNN’s Biden-Trump debate](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/live-fact-check-cnns-biden-trump-debate)

- CBS: [Trump and Biden's first presidential debate of 2024, fact checked](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/first-presidential-debate-2024-fact-check/)

**Live Updates**

[The Associated Press](https://apnews.com/live/presidential-debate-2024-updates), [NPR](https://www.npr.org/live-updates/trump-biden-presidential-debate-2024), [CNN](https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/cnn-debate-trump-biden-06-27-24/index.html), [NBC](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/live-blog/presidential-debate-trump-biden-live-updates-rcna157191), [ABC and 538](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/live-updates/Biden-Trump-first-2024-presidential-debate/?id=111366511), [CBS](https://www.cbsnews.com/live-updates/first-presidential-debate-2024-trump-biden/), [The Washington Post](https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/2024/06/27/presidential-debate-live-updates/) (soft paywall), [The New York Times](https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/06/27/us/biden-trump-debate) (soft paywall), [CNBC](https://www.cnbc.com/2024/06/27/presidential-debate-between-trump-biden-live-updates.html), [USA Today](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/06/27/trump-biden-debate-live-updates/74195213007/), [BBC](https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c88800k2njkt), [Axios](https://www.axios.com/2024/06/27/biden-trump-cnn-presidential-debate-2024-election), [The Hill](https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4741868-trump-biden-presidential-debate-2024-live/), and [The Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2024/jun/27/supreme-court-decision-politics-trump-biden-debate-latest-updates) will all be live-blogging the debate.

**Where to Watch**

- PBS NewsHour via YouTube: [Biden and Trump debate — PBS News simulcast of CNN’s 2024 Presidential Debate](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n89KRvz6Tdw)

- C-SPAN: [Simulcast - CNN Presidential Debate](https://www.c-span.org/video/?536407-1/simulcast-cnn-presidential-debate)

- CBS via YouTube: [Biden and Trump face off in first 2024 presidential debate, hosted by CNN](https://www.youtube.com/live/XxAU0K94fpw) (Will include commentary before the debate).

- The Washington Post via YouTube: [CNN presidential debate](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFHkVxhKbE8) (Stream has closed captioning).

- PBS NewsHour via YouTube: [What happened in the first Biden-Trump debate of 2024 | PBS News Special](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ba6wGGFhBkY) (Will begin after the debate concludes and include commentary).

- CBS via YouTube: [Trump-Biden presidential debate highlights and analysis](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdAFRVy9BnU)

---

#Post-debate thread

Can be found here, and hopefully is less buggy than the thread before: https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1dq932e/discussion_thread_first_us_presidential_general/",1dq5s2f,"Discussion Thread: First US Presidential General Election Debate of 2024 Between Joe Biden and Donald Trump
Tonight's debate will begin at 9 p.m. Eastern.  It will be moderated by CNN anchors Jake Tapper and Dana Bash.  There will be no audience, and the candidates' microphones will be muted at the end of the allotted time for each response.  The next presidential debate will be hosted by ABC and take place on September 10th, while the vice presidential debate has not yet been scheduled.  

**Analysis**

- AP: [How the Biden-Trump debate could change the trajectory of the 2024 campaign](https://apnews.com/article/bidentrumppresidentialdebate-0e7577e9a354a69f50675494fea54ca9)

- 538 via ABC: [Who Will Win The First Biden-Trump Presidential Debate? | We’re partnering with Ipsos to poll voters before and after the candidates take the stage.](https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-trump-june-debate-poll/)

**Live Fact Checking**

- Politifact via PBS NewsHour: [Live fact check: CNN’s Biden-Trump debate](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/live-fact-check-cnns-biden-trump-debate)

- CBS: [Trump and Biden's first presidential debate of 2024, fact checked](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/first-presidential-debate-2024-fact-check/)

**Live Updates**

[The Associated Press](https://apnews.com/live/presidential-debate-2024-updates), [NPR](https://www.npr.org/live-updates/trump-biden-presidential-debate-2024), [CNN](https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/cnn-debate-trump-biden-06-27-24/index.html), [NBC](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/live-blog/presidential-debate-trump-biden-live-updates-rcna157191), [ABC and 538](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/live-updates/Biden-Trump-first-2024-presidential-debate/?id=111366511), [CBS](https://www.cbsnews.com/live-updates/first-presidential-debate-2024-trump-biden/), [The Washington Post](https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/2024/06/27/presidential-debate-live-updates/) (soft paywall), [The New York Times](https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/06/27/us/biden-trump-debate) (soft paywall), [CNBC](https://www.cnbc.com/2024/06/27/presidential-debate-between-trump-biden-live-updates.html), [USA Today](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/06/27/trump-biden-debate-live-updates/74195213007/), [BBC](https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c88800k2njkt), [Axios](https://www.axios.com/2024/06/27/biden-trump-cnn-presidential-debate-2024-election), [The Hill](https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4741868-trump-biden-presidential-debate-2024-live/), and [The Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2024/jun/27/supreme-court-decision-politics-trump-biden-debate-latest-updates) will all be live-blogging the debate.

**Where to Watch**

- PBS NewsHour via YouTube: [Biden and Trump debate — PBS News simulcast of CNN’s 2024 Presidential Debate](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n89KRvz6Tdw)

- C-SPAN: [Simulcast - CNN Presidential Debate](https://www.c-span.org/video/?536407-1/simulcast-cnn-presidential-debate)

- CBS via YouTube: [Biden and Trump face off in first 2024 presidential debate, hosted by CNN](https://www.youtube.com/live/XxAU0K94fpw) (Will include commentary before the debate).

- The Washington Post via YouTube: [CNN presidential debate](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFHkVxhKbE8) (Stream has closed captioning).

- PBS NewsHour via YouTube: [What happened in the first Biden-Trump debate of 2024 | PBS News Special](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ba6wGGFhBkY) (Will begin after the debate concludes and include commentary).

- CBS via YouTube: [Trump-Biden presidential debate highlights and analysis](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdAFRVy9BnU)

---

#Post-debate thread

Can be found here, and hopefully is less buggy than the thread before: https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1dq932e/discussion_thread_first_us_presidential_general/"
"Discussion Thread: First US Presidential General Election Debate of 2024 Between Joe Biden and Donald Trump, Post-Debate Discussion",3447,https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1dq932e/discussion_thread_first_us_presidential_general/,16420,2024-06-28 02:39:21,"Hi folks, Reddit has encountered some errors tonight and there was [a delay in comments appearing](https://www.reddit.com/r/help/comments/1dq8nga/we_are_aware_comments_are_currently_delayed_dont/).  Please use this thread for post-debate discussion of the debate.  [Here's the link to the live discussion thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1dq5s2f/discussion_thread_first_us_presidential_general/).

---

Tonight's debate began at 9 p.m. Eastern.  It was moderated by CNN anchors Jake Tapper and Dana Bash.  There was no audience, and the candidates' microphones were muted at the end of the allotted time for each response.  The next presidential debate will be hosted by ABC and take place on September 10th, while the vice presidential debate has not yet been scheduled.  

**Analysis**

- AP: [How the Biden-Trump debate could change the trajectory of the 2024 campaign](https://apnews.com/article/bidentrumppresidentialdebate-0e7577e9a354a69f50675494fea54ca9)

- 538 via ABC: [Who Will Win The First Biden-Trump Presidential Debate? | We’re partnering with Ipsos to poll voters before and after the candidates take the stage.](https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-trump-june-debate-poll/)

**Live Fact Checking**

- Politifact via PBS NewsHour: [Live fact check: CNN’s Biden-Trump debate](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/live-fact-check-cnns-biden-trump-debate)

- CBS: [Trump and Biden's first presidential debate of 2024, fact checked](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/first-presidential-debate-2024-fact-check/)

**Live Updates**

[The Associated Press](https://apnews.com/live/presidential-debate-2024-updates), [NPR](https://www.npr.org/live-updates/trump-biden-presidential-debate-2024), [CNN](https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/cnn-debate-trump-biden-06-27-24/index.html), [NBC](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/live-blog/presidential-debate-trump-biden-live-updates-rcna157191), [ABC and 538](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/live-updates/Biden-Trump-first-2024-presidential-debate/?id=111366511), [CBS](https://www.cbsnews.com/live-updates/first-presidential-debate-2024-trump-biden/), [The Washington Post](https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/2024/06/27/presidential-debate-live-updates/) (soft paywall), [The New York Times](https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/06/27/us/biden-trump-debate) (soft paywall), [CNBC](https://www.cnbc.com/2024/06/27/presidential-debate-between-trump-biden-live-updates.html), [USA Today](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/06/27/trump-biden-debate-live-updates/74195213007/), [BBC](https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c88800k2njkt), [Axios](https://www.axios.com/2024/06/27/biden-trump-cnn-presidential-debate-2024-election), [The Hill](https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4741868-trump-biden-presidential-debate-2024-live/), and [The Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2024/jun/27/supreme-court-decision-politics-trump-biden-debate-latest-updates) will all be live-blogging the debate.

**Where to Watch**

- PBS NewsHour via YouTube: [Biden and Trump debate — PBS News simulcast of CNN’s 2024 Presidential Debate](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n89KRvz6Tdw)

- C-SPAN: [Simulcast - CNN Presidential Debate](https://www.c-span.org/video/?536407-1/simulcast-cnn-presidential-debate)

- CBS via YouTube: [Biden and Trump face off in first 2024 presidential debate, hosted by CNN](https://www.youtube.com/live/XxAU0K94fpw) (Will include commentary before the debate).

- The Washington Post via YouTube: [CNN presidential debate](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFHkVxhKbE8) (Stream has closed captioning).

- PBS NewsHour via YouTube: [What happened in the first Biden-Trump debate of 2024 | PBS News Special](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ba6wGGFhBkY) (Will begin after the debate concludes and include commentary).

- CBS via YouTube: [Trump-Biden presidential debate highlights and analysis](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdAFRVy9BnU)",1dq932e,"Discussion Thread: First US Presidential General Election Debate of 2024 Between Joe Biden and Donald Trump, Post-Debate Discussion
Hi folks, Reddit has encountered some errors tonight and there was [a delay in comments appearing](https://www.reddit.com/r/help/comments/1dq8nga/we_are_aware_comments_are_currently_delayed_dont/).  Please use this thread for post-debate discussion of the debate.  [Here's the link to the live discussion thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1dq5s2f/discussion_thread_first_us_presidential_general/).

---

Tonight's debate began at 9 p.m. Eastern.  It was moderated by CNN anchors Jake Tapper and Dana Bash.  There was no audience, and the candidates' microphones were muted at the end of the allotted time for each response.  The next presidential debate will be hosted by ABC and take place on September 10th, while the vice presidential debate has not yet been scheduled.  

**Analysis**

- AP: [How the Biden-Trump debate could change the trajectory of the 2024 campaign](https://apnews.com/article/bidentrumppresidentialdebate-0e7577e9a354a69f50675494fea54ca9)

- 538 via ABC: [Who Will Win The First Biden-Trump Presidential Debate? | We’re partnering with Ipsos to poll voters before and after the candidates take the stage.](https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-trump-june-debate-poll/)

**Live Fact Checking**

- Politifact via PBS NewsHour: [Live fact check: CNN’s Biden-Trump debate](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/live-fact-check-cnns-biden-trump-debate)

- CBS: [Trump and Biden's first presidential debate of 2024, fact checked](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/first-presidential-debate-2024-fact-check/)

**Live Updates**

[The Associated Press](https://apnews.com/live/presidential-debate-2024-updates), [NPR](https://www.npr.org/live-updates/trump-biden-presidential-debate-2024), [CNN](https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/cnn-debate-trump-biden-06-27-24/index.html), [NBC](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/live-blog/presidential-debate-trump-biden-live-updates-rcna157191), [ABC and 538](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/live-updates/Biden-Trump-first-2024-presidential-debate/?id=111366511), [CBS](https://www.cbsnews.com/live-updates/first-presidential-debate-2024-trump-biden/), [The Washington Post](https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/2024/06/27/presidential-debate-live-updates/) (soft paywall), [The New York Times](https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/06/27/us/biden-trump-debate) (soft paywall), [CNBC](https://www.cnbc.com/2024/06/27/presidential-debate-between-trump-biden-live-updates.html), [USA Today](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/06/27/trump-biden-debate-live-updates/74195213007/), [BBC](https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c88800k2njkt), [Axios](https://www.axios.com/2024/06/27/biden-trump-cnn-presidential-debate-2024-election), [The Hill](https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4741868-trump-biden-presidential-debate-2024-live/), and [The Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2024/jun/27/supreme-court-decision-politics-trump-biden-debate-latest-updates) will all be live-blogging the debate.

**Where to Watch**

- PBS NewsHour via YouTube: [Biden and Trump debate — PBS News simulcast of CNN’s 2024 Presidential Debate](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n89KRvz6Tdw)

- C-SPAN: [Simulcast - CNN Presidential Debate](https://www.c-span.org/video/?536407-1/simulcast-cnn-presidential-debate)

- CBS via YouTube: [Biden and Trump face off in first 2024 presidential debate, hosted by CNN](https://www.youtube.com/live/XxAU0K94fpw) (Will include commentary before the debate).

- The Washington Post via YouTube: [CNN presidential debate](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFHkVxhKbE8) (Stream has closed captioning).

- PBS NewsHour via YouTube: [What happened in the first Biden-Trump debate of 2024 | PBS News Special](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ba6wGGFhBkY) (Will begin after the debate concludes and include commentary).

- CBS via YouTube: [Trump-Biden presidential debate highlights and analysis](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdAFRVy9BnU)"
US election 2024: trial by combat ,3074,https://i.redd.it/f9qm0o81ie9d1.png,374,2024-06-29 00:00:54,,1dqy2d9,"US election 2024: trial by combat 
"
CMV: Michelle Obama would easily win the 2024 election if she chose to run and Biden endorsed her,1597,https://www.reddit.com/r/changemyview/comments/1dugpl3/cmv_michelle_obama_would_easily_win_the_2024/,1057,2024-07-03 15:09:36,"A reuters pool came out yesterday that revealed Michelle Obama would beat Trump by 11 points. One noteworthy fact about this poll was that she was the only person who beat Trump out of everyone they inquired about (Biden, Kamala, Gavin, etc.) 

https://www.thedailybeast.com/as-dems-cast-the-search-light-looking-for-biden-alternatives-michelle-obama-trounces-trump-in-reuters-poll

Michelle Obama (obviously) carries the Obama name, and Barack is still a relatively popular president, especially compared to either Trump or Biden. 

Betting site polymarket gives Michelle a 5% chance to be the Democratic nominee, and a 4% chance to win the presidency, meaning betting markets likewise believe that she likely won't be president only because she doesn't want to run, not because she couldn't win. Even Ben Shapiro has said she should run and is the democrats best chance to win. 

My cmv is as follows- if Michelle Obama decided to run, and Biden endorsed her, she would have very strong (probably around 80%) odds of winning, as per betting markets. You can add on that I believe that no one else has higher odds of winning than she does. 





",1dugpl3,"CMV: Michelle Obama would easily win the 2024 election if she chose to run and Biden endorsed her
A reuters pool came out yesterday that revealed Michelle Obama would beat Trump by 11 points. One noteworthy fact about this poll was that she was the only person who beat Trump out of everyone they inquired about (Biden, Kamala, Gavin, etc.) 

https://www.thedailybeast.com/as-dems-cast-the-search-light-looking-for-biden-alternatives-michelle-obama-trounces-trump-in-reuters-poll

Michelle Obama (obviously) carries the Obama name, and Barack is still a relatively popular president, especially compared to either Trump or Biden. 

Betting site polymarket gives Michelle a 5% chance to be the Democratic nominee, and a 4% chance to win the presidency, meaning betting markets likewise believe that she likely won't be president only because she doesn't want to run, not because she couldn't win. Even Ben Shapiro has said she should run and is the democrats best chance to win. 

My cmv is as follows- if Michelle Obama decided to run, and Biden endorsed her, she would have very strong (probably around 80%) odds of winning, as per betting markets. You can add on that I believe that no one else has higher odds of winning than she does. 





"
"Count Binface, one of the official challengers of the current PM of the United Kingdom in the 2024 elections",8569,https://v.redd.it/1i0uvzvtdiad1,175,2024-07-04 14:03:49,,1dv7pil,"Count Binface, one of the official challengers of the current PM of the United Kingdom in the 2024 elections
"
Newly Liberal Wisconsin Supreme Court Reinstates Ballot Drop Boxes Ahead of 2024 Elections,3009,https://www.democracydocket.com/news-alerts/newly-liberal-wisconsin-supreme-reinstates-ballot-drop-boxes-ahead-of-2024-election/,308,2024-07-05 13:48:05,,1dvyfbr,"Newly Liberal Wisconsin Supreme Court Reinstates Ballot Drop Boxes Ahead of 2024 Elections
"
New colour of London after the 2024 general election ,2832,https://i.redd.it/7cwq35b87xad1.jpeg,714,2024-07-06 15:53:22,,1dwsq6v,"New colour of London after the 2024 general election 
"
US 2024 election,9539,https://i.redd.it/nxivmhc8xxbd1.jpeg,486,2024-07-11 19:23:13,,1e0x96i,"US 2024 election
"
Trump allies at Heritage declare 2024 election illegitimate in advance,21619,https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/07/11/heritage-foundation-election-war-game/,1177,2024-07-12 12:27:42,,1e1gf3t,"Trump allies at Heritage declare 2024 election illegitimate in advance
"
Exclusive: Meta removes Trump account restrictions ahead of 2024 election,22920,https://www.axios.com/2024/07/12/trump-meta-facebook-instagram-account-restrictions-election,1804,2024-07-12 20:20:25,,1e1rhki,"Exclusive: Meta removes Trump account restrictions ahead of 2024 election
"
"Why did the assassination attempt ""won"" Trump the 2024 elections? ",2302,https://www.reddit.com/r/TooAfraidToAsk/comments/1e2obyl/why_did_the_assassination_attempt_won_trump_the/,699,2024-07-13 23:46:27,"I see everyone saying that the assassination attempt insured Trump's victory but it doesn't really make sense to me. 

Most republicans were voting in the 2024 elections anyways and I doubt any centrists got swayed by this assassination attempt. 

And this is not the first time something like this happened, not that long ago the Slovakian PM got almost assassinated too and everyone was saying that this insured his victory in the EU elections witch literally didn't happen. 

I mean, I just don't see why assassination attempt would do anything for any political figure really. ",1e2obyl,"Why did the assassination attempt ""won"" Trump the 2024 elections? 
I see everyone saying that the assassination attempt insured Trump's victory but it doesn't really make sense to me. 

Most republicans were voting in the 2024 elections anyways and I doubt any centrists got swayed by this assassination attempt. 

And this is not the first time something like this happened, not that long ago the Slovakian PM got almost assassinated too and everyone was saying that this insured his victory in the EU elections witch literally didn't happen. 

I mean, I just don't see why assassination attempt would do anything for any political figure really. "
The Picture that won the 2024 Election - Your Thoughts? ,2144,https://i.redd.it/zsizxho7idcd1.jpeg,1339,2024-07-13 23:47:33,,1e2ocsn,"The Picture that won the 2024 Election - Your Thoughts? 
"
Being a teacher during 2024 election…. ,2143,https://www.reddit.com/r/Teachers/comments/1e35mu0/being_a_teacher_during_2024_election/,807,2024-07-14 15:54:24,"Regardless of political affiliation, school demographic, and/or subject/grade you teach, anyone else now dreading the return to school following the event that transpired this week and the impending doom guaranteed to take place over the next month? 

Especially with high schoolers that adopt opinions using social media and memes… ",1e35mu0,"Being a teacher during 2024 election…. 
Regardless of political affiliation, school demographic, and/or subject/grade you teach, anyone else now dreading the return to school following the event that transpired this week and the impending doom guaranteed to take place over the next month? 

Especially with high schoolers that adopt opinions using social media and memes… "
Joe Biden drops out of 2024 Election,2490,https://i.redd.it/svfm3zvxtwdd1.png,431,2024-07-21 17:51:17,,1e8s31k,"Joe Biden drops out of 2024 Election
"
President Joe Biden has officially dropped out of the 2024 Presidential Election ,4882,https://i.redd.it/45qjsr9fuwdd1.jpeg,305,2024-07-21 17:53:57,,1e8s56s,"President Joe Biden has officially dropped out of the 2024 Presidential Election 
"
Biden withdraws from the 2024 elections,1815,https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/1e8s7a2/biden_withdraws_from_the_2024_elections/,1709,2024-07-21 17:56:22,"Update 3:
[Obama not endorsing Kamala Harris:](https://x.com/BarackObama/status/1815110737095721109)

>Joe Biden has been one of America’s most consequential presidents, as well as a dear friend and partner to me. Today, we’ve also been reminded – again – that he’s a patriot of the highest order. 

[Full statement.](https://barackobama.medium.com/my-statement-on-president-bidens-announcement-1eb78b3ba3fc)

Update 2:
[BILL CLINTON AND HILLARY CLINTON BACK HARRIS FOR PRESIDENT
](https://x.com/BillClinton/status/1815102085198958657)

[Update: Biden endorses Kamala Harris:](https://x.com/JoeBiden/status/1815087772216303933)

>My fellow Democrats, I have decided not to accept the nomination and to focus all my energies on my duties as President for the remainder of my term. My very first decision as the party nominee in 2020 was to pick Kamala Harris as my Vice President. And it’s been the best decision I’ve made. Today I want to offer my full support and endorsement for Kamala to be the nominee of our party this year. Democrats — it’s time to come together and beat Trump. Let’s do this.

From his [tweet](https://x.com/JoeBiden/status/1815080881981190320):

JOSEPH R. BIDEN, JR.

July 21, 2024

My Fellow Americans,

Over the past three and a half years, we have made great progress as a Nation.

Today, America has the strongest economy in the world. We've made historic investments in
rebuilding our Nation, in lowering prescription drug costs for seniors, and in expanding
affordable health care to a record number of Americans. We've provided critically needed care
to a n1illion veterans exposed to toxic substances. Passed the first gun safety law in 30 years.
Appointed the first African American woman to the Supreme Court. And passed the most
significant climate legislation in the history of the world. Arr1erica has never been better
positioned to lead than we are today.

I know none of this could have been done without you, the American people. Together, we
overca1ne a once in a century pandemic and the worst economic crisis since the Great
Depression. We've protected and preserved our Democracy. And we've revitalized and
strengthened our alliances around the world.

It has been the greatest honor of my life to serve as your President. And while it has been my
intention to seek reelection, I believe it is in the best interest of my party and the country for me
to stand down and to focus solely on fulfilling my duties as President for the remainder of my
term.

I will speak to the Nation later this week in more detail about my decision.
For now, let me express my deepest gratitude to all those who have worked so hard to see me
reelected. I want to thank Vice President Kamala Harris for being an extraordinary partner in all
this work. And let me express my heartfelt appreciation to the American people for the faith and
trust you have placed in me.

I believe today what I always have: that there is nothing America can't do - when we do it
together. We just have to remember we are the United States of America.",1e8s7a2,"Biden withdraws from the 2024 elections
Update 3:
[Obama not endorsing Kamala Harris:](https://x.com/BarackObama/status/1815110737095721109)

>Joe Biden has been one of America’s most consequential presidents, as well as a dear friend and partner to me. Today, we’ve also been reminded – again – that he’s a patriot of the highest order. 

[Full statement.](https://barackobama.medium.com/my-statement-on-president-bidens-announcement-1eb78b3ba3fc)

Update 2:
[BILL CLINTON AND HILLARY CLINTON BACK HARRIS FOR PRESIDENT
](https://x.com/BillClinton/status/1815102085198958657)

[Update: Biden endorses Kamala Harris:](https://x.com/JoeBiden/status/1815087772216303933)

>My fellow Democrats, I have decided not to accept the nomination and to focus all my energies on my duties as President for the remainder of my term. My very first decision as the party nominee in 2020 was to pick Kamala Harris as my Vice President. And it’s been the best decision I’ve made. Today I want to offer my full support and endorsement for Kamala to be the nominee of our party this year. Democrats — it’s time to come together and beat Trump. Let’s do this.

From his [tweet](https://x.com/JoeBiden/status/1815080881981190320):

JOSEPH R. BIDEN, JR.

July 21, 2024

My Fellow Americans,

Over the past three and a half years, we have made great progress as a Nation.

Today, America has the strongest economy in the world. We've made historic investments in
rebuilding our Nation, in lowering prescription drug costs for seniors, and in expanding
affordable health care to a record number of Americans. We've provided critically needed care
to a n1illion veterans exposed to toxic substances. Passed the first gun safety law in 30 years.
Appointed the first African American woman to the Supreme Court. And passed the most
significant climate legislation in the history of the world. Arr1erica has never been better
positioned to lead than we are today.

I know none of this could have been done without you, the American people. Together, we
overca1ne a once in a century pandemic and the worst economic crisis since the Great
Depression. We've protected and preserved our Democracy. And we've revitalized and
strengthened our alliances around the world.

It has been the greatest honor of my life to serve as your President. And while it has been my
intention to seek reelection, I believe it is in the best interest of my party and the country for me
to stand down and to focus solely on fulfilling my duties as President for the remainder of my
term.

I will speak to the Nation later this week in more detail about my decision.
For now, let me express my deepest gratitude to all those who have worked so hard to see me
reelected. I want to thank Vice President Kamala Harris for being an extraordinary partner in all
this work. And let me express my heartfelt appreciation to the American people for the faith and
trust you have placed in me.

I believe today what I always have: that there is nothing America can't do - when we do it
together. We just have to remember we are the United States of America."
Biden’s statement withdrawing from the 2024 election ,4400,https://i.redd.it/hvsrdnu5vwdd1.jpeg,3372,2024-07-21 17:58:06,,1e8s8sf,"Biden’s statement withdrawing from the 2024 election 
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Joe Biden has dropped out of the 2024 presidential election,1869,https://www.reddit.com/r/investing/comments/1e8t3bc/joe_biden_has_dropped_out_of_the_2024/,563,2024-07-21 18:32:44,What will be the greater socioeconomic impacts of this on the world economy and the countries that might be effected second handedly? How will this affect short and long-term investment horizons and what are the implications involving general instability that might be occurring in the United States on a level that is truly unprecedented. ,1e8t3bc,"Joe Biden has dropped out of the 2024 presidential election
What will be the greater socioeconomic impacts of this on the world economy and the countries that might be effected second handedly? How will this affect short and long-term investment horizons and what are the implications involving general instability that might be occurring in the United States on a level that is truly unprecedented. "
Official word ahead of the 2024 US election,3275,https://i.redd.it/y63j26x8tydd1.png,336,2024-07-22 00:31:55,,1e912s6,"Official word ahead of the 2024 US election
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"For the Americans voting in 2024 Election, does Kamala Harris get your vote?  Why or why not?",26559,https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/1e9gkat/for_the_americans_voting_in_2024_election_does/,29280,2024-07-22 15:05:42,,1e9gkat,"For the Americans voting in 2024 Election, does Kamala Harris get your vote?  Why or why not?
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"Ohio state Sen. George Lang (R) said at a Trump-Vance 2024 rally on Monday in Middletown that he’s “afraid” a civil war might be necessary if Republicans lose the election: "" if we come down to a civil war, I’m glad we got people like … Bikers for Trump on our side.”",2646,https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4786515-gop-jd-vance-ohio-trump-2024-civil-war/,816,2024-07-22 19:46:09,,1e9ng73,"Ohio state Sen. George Lang (R) said at a Trump-Vance 2024 rally on Monday in Middletown that he’s “afraid” a civil war might be necessary if Republicans lose the election: "" if we come down to a civil war, I’m glad we got people like … Bikers for Trump on our side.”
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Republican apologizes for threatening civil war if Trump loses 2024 election,7088,https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jul/23/ohio-republican-trump-civil-war,587,2024-07-23 21:22:35,,1eajima,"Republican apologizes for threatening civil war if Trump loses 2024 election
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Will you (or did you) leave the US if the 2024 election doesn't go your way?,969,https://www.reddit.com/r/AmerExit/comments/1ebweqn/will_you_or_did_you_leave_the_us_if_the_2024/,2746,2024-07-25 14:33:54,I'm a New York Times reporter working on a story about Americans who have left or are planning to leave the US because of the country's politics. Are you making concrete plans to leave the US if the candidate you support loses the 2024 election? Or are you already living abroad partly because of the politics back home? I'd love to hear stories from people of all different political leanings who have taken steps to be able to live outside the US (or are already doing it.) My DMs are open. -Ronda Kaysen,1ebweqn,"Will you (or did you) leave the US if the 2024 election doesn't go your way?
I'm a New York Times reporter working on a story about Americans who have left or are planning to leave the US because of the country's politics. Are you making concrete plans to leave the US if the candidate you support loses the 2024 election? Or are you already living abroad partly because of the politics back home? I'd love to hear stories from people of all different political leanings who have taken steps to be able to live outside the US (or are already doing it.) My DMs are open. -Ronda Kaysen"
Election 2024: Kamala Harris campaign to launch Florida ground game this weekend,3177,https://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/07/26/kamala-harris-turns-to-florida-grassroots-in-race-against-donald-trump/74532978007/,300,2024-07-27 11:42:25,,1edefei,"Election 2024: Kamala Harris campaign to launch Florida ground game this weekend
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2024 Russian election,1975,https://i.redd.it/7drcqbrznbfd1.png,498,2024-07-28 20:48:51,,1eehdai,"2024 Russian election
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"FWI: Donald Trump is sentenced September 18, 2024, preceding election night.",1801,https://www.reddit.com/r/FutureWhatIf/comments/1eexuwv/fwi_donald_trump_is_sentenced_september_18_2024/,1470,2024-07-29 12:08:06,"His sentencing date was postponed to September 18, which is just over a month away at this point. 

If you are out of the loop, Donald J. Trump, GOP presidential nominee for the 2024 general election, was found guilty on 34 felony counts of falsified business records, or fraud. 

To continue my FWI, what does the GOP fall to if he is sentenced to serve time? Do we think the supreme court cronies he installed would have any say in it, or would they potentially move it back to a point after election night? What is the likelihood of time being sentenced? 

I feel like this very major point in this election is being overlooked, and not nearly enough people are talking about it. Could this be the last chance to take down this danger to  democracy? He has now stated several times that “Christians won’t have to vote again in 4 years if I win”. 

Curious to hear everyone else’s s input.",1eexuwv,"FWI: Donald Trump is sentenced September 18, 2024, preceding election night.
His sentencing date was postponed to September 18, which is just over a month away at this point. 

If you are out of the loop, Donald J. Trump, GOP presidential nominee for the 2024 general election, was found guilty on 34 felony counts of falsified business records, or fraud. 

To continue my FWI, what does the GOP fall to if he is sentenced to serve time? Do we think the supreme court cronies he installed would have any say in it, or would they potentially move it back to a point after election night? What is the likelihood of time being sentenced? 

I feel like this very major point in this election is being overlooked, and not nearly enough people are talking about it. Could this be the last chance to take down this danger to  democracy? He has now stated several times that “Christians won’t have to vote again in 4 years if I win”. 

Curious to hear everyone else’s s input."
Who would YOU vote for? 2024 United States presidential election. (fixed),1818,https://i.redd.it/kb4i0ny38kfd1.png,462,2024-07-30 01:36:46,,1efh42c,"Who would YOU vote for? 2024 United States presidential election. (fixed)
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Maya Rudolph To Play Kamala Harris On ‘Saturday Night Live’ Through 2024 Presidential Election,12210,https://deadline.com/2024/07/maya-rudolph-kamala-harris-saturday-night-live-return-1236027322/,607,2024-07-31 14:42:17,,1egowzo,"Maya Rudolph To Play Kamala Harris On ‘Saturday Night Live’ Through 2024 Presidential Election
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Maya Rudolph To Play Kamala Harris On ‘Saturday Night Live’ Through 2024 Presidential Election,10109,https://deadline.com/2024/07/maya-rudolph-kamala-harris-saturday-night-live-return-1236027322/,358,2024-07-31 14:42:33,,1egox8d,"Maya Rudolph To Play Kamala Harris On ‘Saturday Night Live’ Through 2024 Presidential Election
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Harris Energizes Gen Z Voters Who Planned to Sit Out 2024 Election,3563,https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2024-07-31/kamala-harris-uses-tiktok-to-pull-in-gen-z-voters-after-biden-s-exit,304,2024-07-31 15:46:01,,1egqh44,"Harris Energizes Gen Z Voters Who Planned to Sit Out 2024 Election
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Kyrie gives a very profound insightful take on the 2024 American Election,4339,https://i.redd.it/n8bw4wkadagd1.jpeg,223,2024-08-02 17:31:09,,1eig0z4,"Kyrie gives a very profound insightful take on the 2024 American Election
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'Swifties for Kamala' ready to speak in 2024 presidential election,10444,https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/swifties-kamala-ready-speak-2024-presidential-election/story?id=112453885,757,2024-08-02 21:42:54,,1eim50s,"'Swifties for Kamala' ready to speak in 2024 presidential election
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Verifiable results of the 2024 presidential election of Venezuela by Municipality,3557,https://i.redd.it/mfyfe4h1npgd1.png,684,2024-08-04 20:52:31,,1ek5lj0,"Verifiable results of the 2024 presidential election of Venezuela by Municipality
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Maddow: Pro-Trump Administrators already in place to subvert the 2024 election,7020,https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/maddow-pro-trump-administrators-are-already-in-place-to-subvert-the-2024-election-216510533698,454,2024-08-06 05:59:17,,1ela7gk,"Maddow: Pro-Trump Administrators already in place to subvert the 2024 election
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Trump Supporters Are Ready to Subvert the 2024 General Election By Refusing to Certify the Election at the Local Level ,4408,https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQfI3awx-wo,645,2024-08-06 11:14:33,,1elf1sc,"Trump Supporters Are Ready to Subvert the 2024 General Election By Refusing to Certify the Election at the Local Level 
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Kamala Harris picks Tim Walz as VP running mate for 2024 election,7783,https://www.cbsnews.com/news/tim-walz-vp-kamala-harris-running-mate-2024/?ftag=CNM-00-10aab7e&linkId=537572958,410,2024-08-06 13:18:19,,1elhkva,"Kamala Harris picks Tim Walz as VP running mate for 2024 election
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Polls show Kamala Harris moving ahead of Donald Trump in 2024 US election,5156,https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/aug/06/trump-harris-election-polls?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other,321,2024-08-06 16:56:30,,1elmyb4,"Polls show Kamala Harris moving ahead of Donald Trump in 2024 US election
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"Trump campaign spokesman, Steven Cheung, says email hackers intend to ""interfere with the 2024 election and sow chaos throughout our democratic process.""",2145,https://www.politico.com/news/2024/08/10/trump-campaign-hack-00173503,326,2024-08-10 23:30:40,,1ep6hs9,"Trump campaign spokesman, Steven Cheung, says email hackers intend to ""interfere with the 2024 election and sow chaos throughout our democratic process.""
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The 2024 Election if only Reddit could vote ,3051,https://i.redd.it/79geljweygid1.jpeg,1843,2024-08-13 17:48:29,,1erece3,"The 2024 Election if only Reddit could vote 
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Bernie Sanders Warns Donald Trump Is Gearing Up To Deny 2024 Election Results,5110,https://www.huffpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-donald-trump-2024_n_66bb9e99e4b0b1dc53031b5b,353,2024-08-13 19:59:17,,1erhl4m,"Bernie Sanders Warns Donald Trump Is Gearing Up To Deny 2024 Election Results
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The 2024 Election if only Reddit could vote,1217,https://www.reddit.com/r/Jordan_Peterson_Memes/comments/1erece3/the_2024_election_if_only_reddit_could_vote/,2405,2024-08-13 20:30:28,,1ericvc,"The 2024 Election if only Reddit could vote
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Trump Setting The Stage For a 2024 Election Challenge by Claiming Harris Candidacy is ‘Unconstitutional’,3514,https://dailyboulder.com/trump-setting-the-stage-for-a-2024-election-challenge-with-claims-harris-candidacy-is-unconstitutional/,1064,2024-08-14 19:13:18,,1esa6eb,"Trump Setting The Stage For a 2024 Election Challenge by Claiming Harris Candidacy is ‘Unconstitutional’
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My 2024 election prediction (updated),1075,https://i.redd.it/23041k0lp9jd1.jpeg,346,2024-08-17 18:30:39,Ok I wasn’t really paying attention earlier and made mistakes but this is my actual prediction.,1euoj5k,"My 2024 election prediction (updated)
Ok I wasn’t really paying attention earlier and made mistakes but this is my actual prediction."
Pennsylvania is slipping from Donald Trump’s grasp — Kamala Harris gains ground with crucial Hispanic voters in swing state that could decide 2024 US election,3952,https://www.ft.com/content/fbe1dd8a-b606-4e56-973f-55394b65683c,219,2024-08-18 13:19:02,,1ev927p,"Pennsylvania is slipping from Donald Trump’s grasp — Kamala Harris gains ground with crucial Hispanic voters in swing state that could decide 2024 US election
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"Why the 2024 elections won't be stolen, and why your posts about it don't help",2650,https://www.reddit.com/r/VoteDEM/comments/1evzyrh/why_the_2024_elections_wont_be_stolen_and_why/,327,2024-08-19 12:02:43,"Things have certainly taken a turn for the positive lately in the political world.  Democrats are [casually raising nine figures of donations a week, over and over.](https://observablehq.com/@rdmurphy/actblue-ticker-tracker)  Polls, for whatever they're worth, have gone from [grim](https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2024/national/biden-trump/) to [great](https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2024/national/) at the top of the ticket.  Recent elections have shown [Democratic priorities winning big in swing states](https://apnews.com/article/wisconsin-election-primary-amendment-hovde-baldwin-fe7b7aa8ffa75b171d109f416b3f312b), rejecting GOP-authored Constitutional amendments by 15 points in Wisconsin just last week.  Everything is suddenly pointing to some major wins.

So, needless to say, we need a new reason to panic.  And that's been ""None of this matters, because Trump and his allies are going to just steal the election!""

Let's break this down, just as the title says:

##**Why the 2024 elections won't be stolen:**

The short answer is that every tactic being floated was already tried in 2020 - when Trump was in office, when Republicans had more control over election certification in swing states, when the same six conservative Supreme Court Justices were on the Court, and when Trump had his people in the Department of Justice.  They all failed.

Let's take a closer look at some of the more panic-inducing theories:

* **""Republicans will refuse to certify the election results!""**  If that happens, [states have ways of forcing them to certify.](https://www.democracydocket.com/analysis/what-happens-when-election-officials-refuse-to-certify-results/)  Rogue officials can be [ordered to certify by the courts](https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/17/politics/new-mexico-primary-results-otero-county-certification/index.html), face fines or prison time for refusing to certify, and even [be removed from office.](https://apnews.com/article/election-certification-officials-removed-north-carolina-77bc8b7016277eb090dad38b9b11c687)  Notice how in these stories, election deniers talk a good game about overturning results until they're staring down potential prison time.  [See pg. 8-9 of this document for more examples - the whole document outlines effective legal remedies for refusals to certify quite well.](https://protectdemocracy.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/PD_County-Cert-WP_v03.1.pdf)

* **""Republicans will use the courts to overturn the election!""**  No, they won't.  [Republicans filed 62 lawsuits challenging the results of the 2020 elections, and lost every last one.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-election_lawsuits_related_to_the_2020_U.S._presidential_election)  They got one temporary victory in Pennsylvania that was ultimately overturned by the State Supreme Court (and, fun fact, that judge [was defeated when she ran for PA Supreme Court in 2023.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Pennsylvania_elections#Justice_of_the_Supreme_Court)  Voters don't like this stuff).  What's more, since 2020, Democrats have gained control of the Wisconsin Supreme Court and Court of Appeals, the Michigan Supreme Court, the Pennsylvania Superior Court, the Arizona Secretary of State's and Attorney General's offices, and the Nevada Secretary of State's office.  And that's before we get to the 205 (and counting!) federal judges appointed by Joe Biden.  Trump's going to have to win these lawsuits with a much less friendly bunch of officials in charge.

* **""Trump's Supreme Court will just hand him the election!""**  See above.  The same six conservative judges were on the Court in 2020, and they tossed every one of his lawsuits.  Now Trump's not the incumbent and doesn't have the resources of the Department of Justice at his fingertips, either.

* **""Republicans will use Congress to overthrow the election results!""**  [I'd like to introduce you to the Electoral Count Reform and Presidential Transition Improvement Act of 2022.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_Count_Reform_and_Presidential_Transition_Improvement_Act_of_2022)  This expedites any lawsuits around certifying the election in case local officials want to gum up the system, clarifies that courts have the power to overrule attempted steals by corrupt Governors, and limits the grounds that the House and Senate can use to throw out results.  It's much harder than before - and if we can win the House and Senate, it'll be impossible.

* **""But I heard Georgia's elections board is going to ruin everything!""**  I'll leave aside the fact that Dems can win the House, Senate, and Presidency without Georgia for a moment, and point out that actually, they won't ruin everything.  They might claim irregularities in the results and try to gum up the certification process - so we take them to court and make them certify.  Using that expedited process in the Electoral Count Act of 2022, of course, and federal judges who are used to dealing with this nonsense from 2020.  They might suppress the vote through closing polling places and purging voter registrations - well, they've done that for decades, and we still beat them in 2020 and 2022.  The big theme of this is that when it comes to voter suppression, [you can beat it by getting out the vote.](https://www.mobilize.us/georgiademocrats/)  We've got lawyers who are ready for nonsense.

##**Why your posts and comments about it are the real problem:**

* **If people think their vote isn't going to count, why would they bother voting?**  They certainly won't canvass or phonebank, things we need to do if we're going to win.  People won't take part, or give it their all, if they think it's all for nothing.  **If enough of our voters get discouraged and don't vote, or don't encourage others, Trump won't have to steal anything - he'll just win.**  And that'll trickle down to other important races.  I can already say I've had to talk people out of dropping phonebank shifts because of fears that races will just be stolen.

* **There's nothing average people can do.**  That doesn't mean there's no solution - [Kamala Harris and the DNC have hired an enormous, seasoned legal team to fight attempts to steal the election.](https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2024/8/17/2263891/-Harris-Walz-Campaign-Legal-Team-is-Ten-Times-Bigger-than-Biden-s-was-in-2020-Hires-Marc-Elias-too)  But if you're not one of those lawyers, you can't do much to help.  And people know that.  So it makes them feel hopeless and check out in general.

* **Dealing with misinformation takes time.**  I'll refrain from making cracks about the length of this post and simply say that I'd rather be sharing [how to register to vote](https://iwillvote.com/), or [how to volunteer for candidates in swing districts](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1jxO8g7q9VO3ZMAABcrvR7PMyX4Yl6dgIYhD3eRTKk1M/edit?gid=0#gid=0).  The only thing you can't get back in politics is time, and we'd all rather spend that time on making sure we win.

* **""Just sharing information"" and ""I feel anxious about this"" aren't valid reasons to post this stuff.**  Period.  Your 'information' does nothing except make people less likely to vote or volunteer, and you're not going to help your anxiety by posting - in fact, you're going to spin yourself up even more, and drag others down with you.  The solution for political anxiety is a) talking to a mental health professional who's qualified to help you, and b) taking action.  Political anxiety comes from a lack of agency over something important, like an election.  But you do have agency and can help win.  Not by posting, not by making snappy comments online, but by [talking to voters and helping Democrats win.](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1jxO8g7q9VO3ZMAABcrvR7PMyX4Yl6dgIYhD3eRTKk1M/edit?gid=0#gid=0)  If you're worried that your vote will be stolen, read this post again.  It won't.  But if we lose, it won't matter.

Feel free to share this post anywhere, and to invite people over to this sub to get involved.  We can win - not just for President, but also the Senate, the House, state government, local offices, and ballot measures.  We can build a better America together, and the GOP can't steal it from us.  It's our effort, our hope, and our strength that can win any election, and bring about the world we want to live in.  Shake off the lies, and use the next eleven weeks to work for democracy, together.

https://www.mobilize.us/

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1jxO8g7q9VO3ZMAABcrvR7PMyX4Yl6dgIYhD3eRTKk1M/edit?gid=0#gid=0",1evzyrh,"Why the 2024 elections won't be stolen, and why your posts about it don't help
Things have certainly taken a turn for the positive lately in the political world.  Democrats are [casually raising nine figures of donations a week, over and over.](https://observablehq.com/@rdmurphy/actblue-ticker-tracker)  Polls, for whatever they're worth, have gone from [grim](https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2024/national/biden-trump/) to [great](https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2024/national/) at the top of the ticket.  Recent elections have shown [Democratic priorities winning big in swing states](https://apnews.com/article/wisconsin-election-primary-amendment-hovde-baldwin-fe7b7aa8ffa75b171d109f416b3f312b), rejecting GOP-authored Constitutional amendments by 15 points in Wisconsin just last week.  Everything is suddenly pointing to some major wins.

So, needless to say, we need a new reason to panic.  And that's been ""None of this matters, because Trump and his allies are going to just steal the election!""

Let's break this down, just as the title says:

##**Why the 2024 elections won't be stolen:**

The short answer is that every tactic being floated was already tried in 2020 - when Trump was in office, when Republicans had more control over election certification in swing states, when the same six conservative Supreme Court Justices were on the Court, and when Trump had his people in the Department of Justice.  They all failed.

Let's take a closer look at some of the more panic-inducing theories:

* **""Republicans will refuse to certify the election results!""**  If that happens, [states have ways of forcing them to certify.](https://www.democracydocket.com/analysis/what-happens-when-election-officials-refuse-to-certify-results/)  Rogue officials can be [ordered to certify by the courts](https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/17/politics/new-mexico-primary-results-otero-county-certification/index.html), face fines or prison time for refusing to certify, and even [be removed from office.](https://apnews.com/article/election-certification-officials-removed-north-carolina-77bc8b7016277eb090dad38b9b11c687)  Notice how in these stories, election deniers talk a good game about overturning results until they're staring down potential prison time.  [See pg. 8-9 of this document for more examples - the whole document outlines effective legal remedies for refusals to certify quite well.](https://protectdemocracy.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/PD_County-Cert-WP_v03.1.pdf)

* **""Republicans will use the courts to overturn the election!""**  No, they won't.  [Republicans filed 62 lawsuits challenging the results of the 2020 elections, and lost every last one.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-election_lawsuits_related_to_the_2020_U.S._presidential_election)  They got one temporary victory in Pennsylvania that was ultimately overturned by the State Supreme Court (and, fun fact, that judge [was defeated when she ran for PA Supreme Court in 2023.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Pennsylvania_elections#Justice_of_the_Supreme_Court)  Voters don't like this stuff).  What's more, since 2020, Democrats have gained control of the Wisconsin Supreme Court and Court of Appeals, the Michigan Supreme Court, the Pennsylvania Superior Court, the Arizona Secretary of State's and Attorney General's offices, and the Nevada Secretary of State's office.  And that's before we get to the 205 (and counting!) federal judges appointed by Joe Biden.  Trump's going to have to win these lawsuits with a much less friendly bunch of officials in charge.

* **""Trump's Supreme Court will just hand him the election!""**  See above.  The same six conservative judges were on the Court in 2020, and they tossed every one of his lawsuits.  Now Trump's not the incumbent and doesn't have the resources of the Department of Justice at his fingertips, either.

* **""Republicans will use Congress to overthrow the election results!""**  [I'd like to introduce you to the Electoral Count Reform and Presidential Transition Improvement Act of 2022.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_Count_Reform_and_Presidential_Transition_Improvement_Act_of_2022)  This expedites any lawsuits around certifying the election in case local officials want to gum up the system, clarifies that courts have the power to overrule attempted steals by corrupt Governors, and limits the grounds that the House and Senate can use to throw out results.  It's much harder than before - and if we can win the House and Senate, it'll be impossible.

* **""But I heard Georgia's elections board is going to ruin everything!""**  I'll leave aside the fact that Dems can win the House, Senate, and Presidency without Georgia for a moment, and point out that actually, they won't ruin everything.  They might claim irregularities in the results and try to gum up the certification process - so we take them to court and make them certify.  Using that expedited process in the Electoral Count Act of 2022, of course, and federal judges who are used to dealing with this nonsense from 2020.  They might suppress the vote through closing polling places and purging voter registrations - well, they've done that for decades, and we still beat them in 2020 and 2022.  The big theme of this is that when it comes to voter suppression, [you can beat it by getting out the vote.](https://www.mobilize.us/georgiademocrats/)  We've got lawyers who are ready for nonsense.

##**Why your posts and comments about it are the real problem:**

* **If people think their vote isn't going to count, why would they bother voting?**  They certainly won't canvass or phonebank, things we need to do if we're going to win.  People won't take part, or give it their all, if they think it's all for nothing.  **If enough of our voters get discouraged and don't vote, or don't encourage others, Trump won't have to steal anything - he'll just win.**  And that'll trickle down to other important races.  I can already say I've had to talk people out of dropping phonebank shifts because of fears that races will just be stolen.

* **There's nothing average people can do.**  That doesn't mean there's no solution - [Kamala Harris and the DNC have hired an enormous, seasoned legal team to fight attempts to steal the election.](https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2024/8/17/2263891/-Harris-Walz-Campaign-Legal-Team-is-Ten-Times-Bigger-than-Biden-s-was-in-2020-Hires-Marc-Elias-too)  But if you're not one of those lawyers, you can't do much to help.  And people know that.  So it makes them feel hopeless and check out in general.

* **Dealing with misinformation takes time.**  I'll refrain from making cracks about the length of this post and simply say that I'd rather be sharing [how to register to vote](https://iwillvote.com/), or [how to volunteer for candidates in swing districts](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1jxO8g7q9VO3ZMAABcrvR7PMyX4Yl6dgIYhD3eRTKk1M/edit?gid=0#gid=0).  The only thing you can't get back in politics is time, and we'd all rather spend that time on making sure we win.

* **""Just sharing information"" and ""I feel anxious about this"" aren't valid reasons to post this stuff.**  Period.  Your 'information' does nothing except make people less likely to vote or volunteer, and you're not going to help your anxiety by posting - in fact, you're going to spin yourself up even more, and drag others down with you.  The solution for political anxiety is a) talking to a mental health professional who's qualified to help you, and b) taking action.  Political anxiety comes from a lack of agency over something important, like an election.  But you do have agency and can help win.  Not by posting, not by making snappy comments online, but by [talking to voters and helping Democrats win.](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1jxO8g7q9VO3ZMAABcrvR7PMyX4Yl6dgIYhD3eRTKk1M/edit?gid=0#gid=0)  If you're worried that your vote will be stolen, read this post again.  It won't.  But if we lose, it won't matter.

Feel free to share this post anywhere, and to invite people over to this sub to get involved.  We can win - not just for President, but also the Senate, the House, state government, local offices, and ballot measures.  We can build a better America together, and the GOP can't steal it from us.  It's our effort, our hope, and our strength that can win any election, and bring about the world we want to live in.  Shake off the lies, and use the next eleven weeks to work for democracy, together.

https://www.mobilize.us/

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1jxO8g7q9VO3ZMAABcrvR7PMyX4Yl6dgIYhD3eRTKk1M/edit?gid=0#gid=0"
Trump served notice by Michigan AG to not even try to 'subvert' the 2024 election results,4626,https://www.rawstory.com/trump-michigan-2669024213/,473,2024-08-24 19:12:59,,1f0d454,"Trump served notice by Michigan AG to not even try to 'subvert' the 2024 election results
"
Donald Trump warns Mark Zuckerberg he will face life in prison if he commits any illegal acts during the 2024 election.,1896,https://i.redd.it/js7q30s41mld1.jpeg,483,2024-08-29 14:05:02,"Donald Trump has warned that Mark Zuckerberg will “spend the rest of his life in prison” if Facebook illegally influences the outcome of the US presidential election. - [Source](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/08/29/donald-trump-jail-zuckerberg-interferes-us-election/)

This follows Zuckerberg [admitting](https://x.com/judiciarygop/status/1828201780544504064?s=46&t=lyUkewqrOx_z4p8M2W3EIQ) that he censored information at the request of the Biden-Harris administration.

",1f43a8t,"Donald Trump warns Mark Zuckerberg he will face life in prison if he commits any illegal acts during the 2024 election.
Donald Trump has warned that Mark Zuckerberg will “spend the rest of his life in prison” if Facebook illegally influences the outcome of the US presidential election. - [Source](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/08/29/donald-trump-jail-zuckerberg-interferes-us-election/)

This follows Zuckerberg [admitting](https://x.com/judiciarygop/status/1828201780544504064?s=46&t=lyUkewqrOx_z4p8M2W3EIQ) that he censored information at the request of the Biden-Harris administration.

"
Trump pushes GOP to shut down government just weeks before 2024 election,2673,https://www.rawstory.com/trump-2024-government-shutdown-2669105554/,302,2024-08-31 11:39:41,,1f5l9zq,"Trump pushes GOP to shut down government just weeks before 2024 election
"
Trump's 2024 nightmare: Women voting surge could elect Harris,6031,https://www.msnbc.com/the-beat-with-ari/watch/trump-s-2024-nightmare-women-voting-surge-could-elect-harris-218460741915,301,2024-09-03 12:33:18,,1f7yr2l,"Trump's 2024 nightmare: Women voting surge could elect Harris
"
US seizes Russian websites used in bid to influence 2024 election,7338,https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4861766-biden-administration-condemns-russian-influence/,317,2024-09-04 18:40:47,,1f911sh,"US seizes Russian websites used in bid to influence 2024 election
"
US accuses Russia of 2024 election interference,7245,https://ca.news.yahoo.com/us-accuse-russia-2024-election-154553393.html,212,2024-09-05 09:00:14,,1f9hue6,"US accuses Russia of 2024 election interference
"
A historian who's correctly predicted 9 out of 10 elections says Kamala Harris will win in 2024,13461,https://www.businessinsider.com/kamala-harris-will-win-2024-election-predicting-historian-2024-9,1428,2024-09-06 13:50:14,,1fafoie,"A historian who's correctly predicted 9 out of 10 elections says Kamala Harris will win in 2024
"
MMW Orange 45 will lose the 2024 Election in a Landslide,1133,https://www.reddit.com/r/MarkMyWords/comments/1fb1d10/mmw_orange_45_will_lose_the_2024_election_in_a/,1141,2024-09-07 07:19:40,,1fb1d10,"MMW Orange 45 will lose the 2024 Election in a Landslide
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[OC] What if the 2024 UK General Election was held under the German electoral system?,2593,https://i.redd.it/kghdgvn1ftnd1.jpeg,274,2024-09-09 17:03:46,,1fcuj3l,"[OC] What if the 2024 UK General Election was held under the German electoral system?
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How the 2024 Election Coverage Feels to Me,5756,https://i.redd.it/75jp3w1ypznd1.jpeg,185,2024-09-10 14:15:33,,1fdixgs,"How the 2024 Election Coverage Feels to Me
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Discussion Thread: First Presidential Debate of the 2024 General Election Between Vice President Kamala Harris and Former President Donald Trump,4769,https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1fdtubw/discussion_thread_first_presidential_debate_of/,11508,2024-09-10 21:45:56,"Tonight's debate is being hosted on ABC in the National Constitution Center in Philadelphia, and will be moderated by anchors David Muir and Linsey Davis.  It is scheduled to begin at 9 p.m. Eastern and last for 90 minutes.  The candidates' microphones will, under rules negotiated between the Biden and Trump campaigns, be muted in the absence of ""significant crosstalk"".  The [full rules for tonight's debate can be found here on ABC's site](https://abc.com/news/5e38600c-4732-4cd2-a99c-3dedfa81beb0/category/1138628).  Per [a recent NPR/PBS NewsHour/Marist poll](https://www.npr.org/2024/09/10/nx-s1-5106660/election-poll-harris-trump-debate), ""Seven-in-10 Americans say they are going to watch the first presidential debate between Vice President Harris and former President Donald Trump on Tuesday, and 3-in-10 say it will help decide their vote"".

Tonight's debate is the only remaining presidential-level debate scheduled for this cycle; the Vice Presidential debate between Minnesota governor Tim Walz and Ohio senator J.D. Vance is scheduled for October 1st.

**News and Analysis**

- AP: [The Harris-Trump debate becomes the 2024 election’s latest landmark event](https://apnews.com/article/harris-trump-debate-tuesday-6ad8c03f6bf1ae88870b7db26276236e)

- ABC: [5 things to watch for in the high-stakes Harris-Trump faceoff](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/debate-day-5-things-watch-high-stakes-harris/story?id=113523064)

- CBS: [Harris v. Trump CBS News poll: Ahead of debate, here's what voters are saying about the candidates](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/harris-trump-poll-before-first-debate/)

**Live Updates**

Those wishing to follow along with the debate through text-based updates can find them at any of the following outlets: [AP](https://apnews.com/live/harris-trump-debate-election-2024-updates), [CNN](https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/trump-harris-debate-abc-09-10-24/index.html), [ABC](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/live-updates/trump-harris-2024-presidential-debate/?id=113525682), [CBS](https://www.cbsnews.com/live-updates/trump-harris-first-debate-2024/), [NBC](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/live-blog/trump-harris-presidential-debate-live-updates-rcna169722), [The New Yorker](https://www.newyorker.com/live/2024-presidential-debate-analysis-donald-trump-kamala-harris) (soft paywall), [The Washington Post](https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/2024/09/10/election-2024-presidential-debate-harris-trump/) (soft paywall), [The New York Times](https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/09/10/us/harris-trump-debate) (soft paywall), [USA Today](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/09/10/debate-trump-harris-2024-live-updates/75145043007/), [CNBC](https://www.cnbc.com/2024/09/10/presidential-debate-live-updates-trump-harris.html), [WHYY](https://whyy.org/live/election-2024-presidential-debate-harris-trump-philadelphia-constitution-center-delaware-primary-live-updates/), [MSNBC](https://www.msnbc.com/politics/2024-election/live-blog/harris-trump-presidential-debate-live-updates-rcna170176), [The Independent](https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-harris-presidential-debate-live-updates-time-tonight-b2609991.html), [Vanity Fair](https://www.vanityfair.com/live/presidential-debate-september-2024), [The Wall Street Journal](https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/harris-trump-presidential-debate-election-2024) (paywall), [The Huffington Post](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/2024-election-live-updates_n_66db15a1e4b0abbb7b4491c1), [Politico](https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2024/09/10/trump-harris-presidential-debate-tonight/watch-debate-online-00178409), and [the BBC](https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c9wjn8py59jt).  Additionally, [NPR will be streaming live audio coverage of the debate at this link](https://www.npr.org/2024/09/09/nx-s1-5106053/debate-harris-trump-listen-live-watch).

**Fact Checking**

- AP: [Fact Focus: A look at false and misleading claims as Trump and Harris meet for their first debate](https://apnews.com/article/debate-harris-trump-fact-focus-abortion-crime-0e368102d38d87d708a8a497a38f4fb2)

- PolitiFact: [Do you know Trump and Harris’ talking points? Prep for the presidential debate with fact-checks](https://www.politifact.com/article/2024/sep/06/fact-checking-the-trump-harris-talking-points-befo/)

- PolitiFact via PBS NewsHour: [Live fact check: Trump and Harris meet for presidential debate](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/live-fact-check-trump-and-harris-meet-for-presidential-debate)

- Snopes: [Fact-Checking Harris-Trump Sept. 10 Presidential Debate: Live Updates](https://www.snopes.com/live/harris-trump-debate-live-updates/)

**Where to Watch:**

- PBS via YouTube: [Harris and Trump debate — PBS News simulcast of ABC’s 2024 Presidential Debate](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pJrIOey7OQ) (Stream begins at 6 p.m.)

- C-SPAN: [ABC News Presidential Debate Preview](https://www.c-span.org/video/?538055-1/abc-news-presidential-debate-preview) (Stream begins at 8 p.m.)

- ABC via YouTube: [ABC News Presidential Debate: Harris and Trump meet in Philadelphia](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRh6598RmHM) (Stream begins at 8 p.m.)

- C-SPAN: [Simulcast - ABC News Presidential Debate](https://www.c-span.org/video/?538053-1/simulcast-abc-news-presidential-debate) (Stream begins at 9 p.m.)

- C-SPAN: [Reaction to ABC News Presidential Debate](https://www.c-span.org/video/?538056-1/reaction-abc-news-presidential-debate) (Stream begins at 10:40 p.m.)

---

**Edit: Second debate discussion thread here: https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1fdy9k3/discussion_thread_first_presidential_debate_of/?sort=new**",1fdtubw,"Discussion Thread: First Presidential Debate of the 2024 General Election Between Vice President Kamala Harris and Former President Donald Trump
Tonight's debate is being hosted on ABC in the National Constitution Center in Philadelphia, and will be moderated by anchors David Muir and Linsey Davis.  It is scheduled to begin at 9 p.m. Eastern and last for 90 minutes.  The candidates' microphones will, under rules negotiated between the Biden and Trump campaigns, be muted in the absence of ""significant crosstalk"".  The [full rules for tonight's debate can be found here on ABC's site](https://abc.com/news/5e38600c-4732-4cd2-a99c-3dedfa81beb0/category/1138628).  Per [a recent NPR/PBS NewsHour/Marist poll](https://www.npr.org/2024/09/10/nx-s1-5106660/election-poll-harris-trump-debate), ""Seven-in-10 Americans say they are going to watch the first presidential debate between Vice President Harris and former President Donald Trump on Tuesday, and 3-in-10 say it will help decide their vote"".

Tonight's debate is the only remaining presidential-level debate scheduled for this cycle; the Vice Presidential debate between Minnesota governor Tim Walz and Ohio senator J.D. Vance is scheduled for October 1st.

**News and Analysis**

- AP: [The Harris-Trump debate becomes the 2024 election’s latest landmark event](https://apnews.com/article/harris-trump-debate-tuesday-6ad8c03f6bf1ae88870b7db26276236e)

- ABC: [5 things to watch for in the high-stakes Harris-Trump faceoff](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/debate-day-5-things-watch-high-stakes-harris/story?id=113523064)

- CBS: [Harris v. Trump CBS News poll: Ahead of debate, here's what voters are saying about the candidates](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/harris-trump-poll-before-first-debate/)

**Live Updates**

Those wishing to follow along with the debate through text-based updates can find them at any of the following outlets: [AP](https://apnews.com/live/harris-trump-debate-election-2024-updates), [CNN](https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/trump-harris-debate-abc-09-10-24/index.html), [ABC](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/live-updates/trump-harris-2024-presidential-debate/?id=113525682), [CBS](https://www.cbsnews.com/live-updates/trump-harris-first-debate-2024/), [NBC](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/live-blog/trump-harris-presidential-debate-live-updates-rcna169722), [The New Yorker](https://www.newyorker.com/live/2024-presidential-debate-analysis-donald-trump-kamala-harris) (soft paywall), [The Washington Post](https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/2024/09/10/election-2024-presidential-debate-harris-trump/) (soft paywall), [The New York Times](https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/09/10/us/harris-trump-debate) (soft paywall), [USA Today](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/09/10/debate-trump-harris-2024-live-updates/75145043007/), [CNBC](https://www.cnbc.com/2024/09/10/presidential-debate-live-updates-trump-harris.html), [WHYY](https://whyy.org/live/election-2024-presidential-debate-harris-trump-philadelphia-constitution-center-delaware-primary-live-updates/), [MSNBC](https://www.msnbc.com/politics/2024-election/live-blog/harris-trump-presidential-debate-live-updates-rcna170176), [The Independent](https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-harris-presidential-debate-live-updates-time-tonight-b2609991.html), [Vanity Fair](https://www.vanityfair.com/live/presidential-debate-september-2024), [The Wall Street Journal](https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/harris-trump-presidential-debate-election-2024) (paywall), [The Huffington Post](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/2024-election-live-updates_n_66db15a1e4b0abbb7b4491c1), [Politico](https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2024/09/10/trump-harris-presidential-debate-tonight/watch-debate-online-00178409), and [the BBC](https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c9wjn8py59jt).  Additionally, [NPR will be streaming live audio coverage of the debate at this link](https://www.npr.org/2024/09/09/nx-s1-5106053/debate-harris-trump-listen-live-watch).

**Fact Checking**

- AP: [Fact Focus: A look at false and misleading claims as Trump and Harris meet for their first debate](https://apnews.com/article/debate-harris-trump-fact-focus-abortion-crime-0e368102d38d87d708a8a497a38f4fb2)

- PolitiFact: [Do you know Trump and Harris’ talking points? Prep for the presidential debate with fact-checks](https://www.politifact.com/article/2024/sep/06/fact-checking-the-trump-harris-talking-points-befo/)

- PolitiFact via PBS NewsHour: [Live fact check: Trump and Harris meet for presidential debate](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/live-fact-check-trump-and-harris-meet-for-presidential-debate)

- Snopes: [Fact-Checking Harris-Trump Sept. 10 Presidential Debate: Live Updates](https://www.snopes.com/live/harris-trump-debate-live-updates/)

**Where to Watch:**

- PBS via YouTube: [Harris and Trump debate — PBS News simulcast of ABC’s 2024 Presidential Debate](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pJrIOey7OQ) (Stream begins at 6 p.m.)

- C-SPAN: [ABC News Presidential Debate Preview](https://www.c-span.org/video/?538055-1/abc-news-presidential-debate-preview) (Stream begins at 8 p.m.)

- ABC via YouTube: [ABC News Presidential Debate: Harris and Trump meet in Philadelphia](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRh6598RmHM) (Stream begins at 8 p.m.)

- C-SPAN: [Simulcast - ABC News Presidential Debate](https://www.c-span.org/video/?538053-1/simulcast-abc-news-presidential-debate) (Stream begins at 9 p.m.)

- C-SPAN: [Reaction to ABC News Presidential Debate](https://www.c-span.org/video/?538056-1/reaction-abc-news-presidential-debate) (Stream begins at 10:40 p.m.)

---

**Edit: Second debate discussion thread here: https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1fdy9k3/discussion_thread_first_presidential_debate_of/?sort=new**"
Discussion Thread: First Presidential Debate of the 2024 General Election Between Vice President Kamala Harris and Former President Donald Trump,983,https://www.reddit.com/r/KamalaHarris/comments/1fduc9x/discussion_thread_first_presidential_debate_of/,4656,2024-09-10 22:07:38,"Greetings and welcome to the first debate. I know everybody is extremely excited, so I'm gonna put together a thread!

Remember, be polite and civil. No personal attacks towards each other, period. 

Due to the nature of the debate, expect heavy trolling tonight.",1fduc9x,"Discussion Thread: First Presidential Debate of the 2024 General Election Between Vice President Kamala Harris and Former President Donald Trump
Greetings and welcome to the first debate. I know everybody is extremely excited, so I'm gonna put together a thread!

Remember, be polite and civil. No personal attacks towards each other, period. 

Due to the nature of the debate, expect heavy trolling tonight."
"Discussion Thread: First Presidential Debate of the 2024 General Election Between Vice President Kamala Harris and Former President Donald Trump, Part 2",15605,https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1fdy9k3/discussion_thread_first_presidential_debate_of/,19512,2024-09-11 01:17:06,"This post is the second discussion thread for tonight's debate.  The first thread was locked and refreshed when it gathered too many comments, and [can be accessed here](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1fdtubw/discussion_thread_first_presidential_debate_of/?sort=confidence).

**Live Updates**

Those wishing to follow along with the debate through text-based updates can find them at any of the following outlets: [AP](https://apnews.com/live/harris-trump-debate-election-2024-updates), [CNN](https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/trump-harris-debate-abc-09-10-24/index.html), [ABC](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/live-updates/trump-harris-2024-presidential-debate/?id=113525682), [CBS](https://www.cbsnews.com/live-updates/trump-harris-first-debate-2024/), [NBC](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/live-blog/trump-harris-presidential-debate-live-updates-rcna169722), [The New Yorker](https://www.newyorker.com/live/2024-presidential-debate-analysis-donald-trump-kamala-harris) (soft paywall), [The Washington Post](https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/2024/09/10/election-2024-presidential-debate-harris-trump/) (soft paywall), [The New York Times](https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/09/10/us/harris-trump-debate) (soft paywall), [USA Today](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/09/10/debate-trump-harris-2024-live-updates/75145043007/), [CNBC](https://www.cnbc.com/2024/09/10/presidential-debate-live-updates-trump-harris.html), [WHYY](https://whyy.org/live/election-2024-presidential-debate-harris-trump-philadelphia-constitution-center-delaware-primary-live-updates/), [MSNBC](https://www.msnbc.com/politics/2024-election/live-blog/harris-trump-presidential-debate-live-updates-rcna170176), [The Independent](https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-harris-presidential-debate-live-updates-time-tonight-b2609991.html), [Vanity Fair](https://www.vanityfair.com/live/presidential-debate-september-2024), [The Wall Street Journal](https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/harris-trump-presidential-debate-election-2024) (paywall), [The Huffington Post](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/2024-election-live-updates_n_66db15a1e4b0abbb7b4491c1), [Politico](https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2024/09/10/trump-harris-presidential-debate-tonight/watch-debate-online-00178409), and [the BBC](https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c9wjn8py59jt).  Additionally, [NPR will be streaming live audio coverage of the debate at this link](https://www.npr.org/2024/09/09/nx-s1-5106053/debate-harris-trump-listen-live-watch).

**Fact Checking**

- PolitiFact via PBS NewsHour: [Live fact check: Trump and Harris meet for presidential debate](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/live-fact-check-trump-and-harris-meet-for-presidential-debate)

- Snopes: [Fact-Checking Harris-Trump Sept. 10 Presidential Debate: Live Updates](https://www.snopes.com/live/harris-trump-debate-live-updates/)

**Where to Watch:**

- PBS via YouTube: [Harris and Trump debate — PBS News simulcast of ABC’s 2024 Presidential Debate](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pJrIOey7OQ) (Stream begins at 6 p.m.)

- C-SPAN: [ABC News Presidential Debate Preview](https://www.c-span.org/video/?538055-1/abc-news-presidential-debate-preview) (Stream begins at 8 p.m.)

- ABC via YouTube: [ABC News Presidential Debate: Harris and Trump meet in Philadelphia](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRh6598RmHM) (Stream begins at 8 p.m.)

- C-SPAN: [Simulcast - ABC News Presidential Debate](https://www.c-span.org/video/?538053-1/simulcast-abc-news-presidential-debate) (Stream begins at 9 p.m.)

- C-SPAN: [Reaction to ABC News Presidential Debate](https://www.c-span.org/video/?538056-1/reaction-abc-news-presidential-debate) (Stream begins at 10:40 p.m.)

---

**We're now on [the seventh discussion thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1fdzwy5/discussion_thread_first_presidential_debate_of/?sort=new) for tonight's debate.  The first through sixth threads were locked and refreshed when they gathered too many comments, and [the first](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1fdtubw/discussion_thread_first_presidential_debate_of/?sort=confidence), [the second](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1fdy9k3/discussion_thread_first_presidential_debate_of/?sort=confidence), [the third](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1fdypmd/discussion_thread_first_presidential_debate_of/?sort=confidence), [the fourth](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1fdyytn/discussion_thread_first_presidential_debate_of/?sort=confidence), [the fifth](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1fdz7kl/discussion_thread_first_presidential_debate_of/?sort=confidence), and [the sixth](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1fdzlp3/discussion_thread_first_presidential_debate_of/?sort=confidence) threads.**",1fdy9k3,"Discussion Thread: First Presidential Debate of the 2024 General Election Between Vice President Kamala Harris and Former President Donald Trump, Part 2
This post is the second discussion thread for tonight's debate.  The first thread was locked and refreshed when it gathered too many comments, and [can be accessed here](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1fdtubw/discussion_thread_first_presidential_debate_of/?sort=confidence).

**Live Updates**

Those wishing to follow along with the debate through text-based updates can find them at any of the following outlets: [AP](https://apnews.com/live/harris-trump-debate-election-2024-updates), [CNN](https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/trump-harris-debate-abc-09-10-24/index.html), [ABC](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/live-updates/trump-harris-2024-presidential-debate/?id=113525682), [CBS](https://www.cbsnews.com/live-updates/trump-harris-first-debate-2024/), [NBC](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/live-blog/trump-harris-presidential-debate-live-updates-rcna169722), [The New Yorker](https://www.newyorker.com/live/2024-presidential-debate-analysis-donald-trump-kamala-harris) (soft paywall), [The Washington Post](https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/2024/09/10/election-2024-presidential-debate-harris-trump/) (soft paywall), [The New York Times](https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/09/10/us/harris-trump-debate) (soft paywall), [USA Today](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/09/10/debate-trump-harris-2024-live-updates/75145043007/), [CNBC](https://www.cnbc.com/2024/09/10/presidential-debate-live-updates-trump-harris.html), [WHYY](https://whyy.org/live/election-2024-presidential-debate-harris-trump-philadelphia-constitution-center-delaware-primary-live-updates/), [MSNBC](https://www.msnbc.com/politics/2024-election/live-blog/harris-trump-presidential-debate-live-updates-rcna170176), [The Independent](https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-harris-presidential-debate-live-updates-time-tonight-b2609991.html), [Vanity Fair](https://www.vanityfair.com/live/presidential-debate-september-2024), [The Wall Street Journal](https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/harris-trump-presidential-debate-election-2024) (paywall), [The Huffington Post](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/2024-election-live-updates_n_66db15a1e4b0abbb7b4491c1), [Politico](https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2024/09/10/trump-harris-presidential-debate-tonight/watch-debate-online-00178409), and [the BBC](https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c9wjn8py59jt).  Additionally, [NPR will be streaming live audio coverage of the debate at this link](https://www.npr.org/2024/09/09/nx-s1-5106053/debate-harris-trump-listen-live-watch).

**Fact Checking**

- PolitiFact via PBS NewsHour: [Live fact check: Trump and Harris meet for presidential debate](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/live-fact-check-trump-and-harris-meet-for-presidential-debate)

- Snopes: [Fact-Checking Harris-Trump Sept. 10 Presidential Debate: Live Updates](https://www.snopes.com/live/harris-trump-debate-live-updates/)

**Where to Watch:**

- PBS via YouTube: [Harris and Trump debate — PBS News simulcast of ABC’s 2024 Presidential Debate](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pJrIOey7OQ) (Stream begins at 6 p.m.)

- C-SPAN: [ABC News Presidential Debate Preview](https://www.c-span.org/video/?538055-1/abc-news-presidential-debate-preview) (Stream begins at 8 p.m.)

- ABC via YouTube: [ABC News Presidential Debate: Harris and Trump meet in Philadelphia](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRh6598RmHM) (Stream begins at 8 p.m.)

- C-SPAN: [Simulcast - ABC News Presidential Debate](https://www.c-span.org/video/?538053-1/simulcast-abc-news-presidential-debate) (Stream begins at 9 p.m.)

- C-SPAN: [Reaction to ABC News Presidential Debate](https://www.c-span.org/video/?538056-1/reaction-abc-news-presidential-debate) (Stream begins at 10:40 p.m.)

---

**We're now on [the seventh discussion thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1fdzwy5/discussion_thread_first_presidential_debate_of/?sort=new) for tonight's debate.  The first through sixth threads were locked and refreshed when they gathered too many comments, and [the first](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1fdtubw/discussion_thread_first_presidential_debate_of/?sort=confidence), [the second](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1fdy9k3/discussion_thread_first_presidential_debate_of/?sort=confidence), [the third](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1fdypmd/discussion_thread_first_presidential_debate_of/?sort=confidence), [the fourth](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1fdyytn/discussion_thread_first_presidential_debate_of/?sort=confidence), [the fifth](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1fdz7kl/discussion_thread_first_presidential_debate_of/?sort=confidence), and [the sixth](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1fdzlp3/discussion_thread_first_presidential_debate_of/?sort=confidence) threads.**"
"Discussion Thread: First Presidential Debate of the 2024 General Election Between Vice President Kamala Harris and Former President Donald Trump, Part 3",2565,https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1fdypmd/discussion_thread_first_presidential_debate_of/,11013,2024-09-11 01:41:58,"This post is the third discussion thread for tonight's debate.  The first and second threads were locked and refreshed when they gathered too many comments, and [can be accessed here](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1fdtubw/discussion_thread_first_presidential_debate_of/?sort=confidence) and [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1fdy9k3/discussion_thread_first_presidential_debate_of/?sort=confidence), respectively.

**Live Updates**

Those wishing to follow along with the debate through text-based updates can find them at any of the following outlets: [AP](https://apnews.com/live/harris-trump-debate-election-2024-updates), [CNN](https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/trump-harris-debate-abc-09-10-24/index.html), [ABC](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/live-updates/trump-harris-2024-presidential-debate/?id=113525682), [CBS](https://www.cbsnews.com/live-updates/trump-harris-first-debate-2024/), [NBC](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/live-blog/trump-harris-presidential-debate-live-updates-rcna169722), [The New Yorker](https://www.newyorker.com/live/2024-presidential-debate-analysis-donald-trump-kamala-harris) (soft paywall), [The Washington Post](https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/2024/09/10/election-2024-presidential-debate-harris-trump/) (soft paywall), [The New York Times](https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/09/10/us/harris-trump-debate) (soft paywall), [USA Today](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/09/10/debate-trump-harris-2024-live-updates/75145043007/), [CNBC](https://www.cnbc.com/2024/09/10/presidential-debate-live-updates-trump-harris.html), [WHYY](https://whyy.org/live/election-2024-presidential-debate-harris-trump-philadelphia-constitution-center-delaware-primary-live-updates/), [MSNBC](https://www.msnbc.com/politics/2024-election/live-blog/harris-trump-presidential-debate-live-updates-rcna170176), [The Independent](https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-harris-presidential-debate-live-updates-time-tonight-b2609991.html), [Vanity Fair](https://www.vanityfair.com/live/presidential-debate-september-2024), [The Wall Street Journal](https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/harris-trump-presidential-debate-election-2024) (paywall), [The Huffington Post](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/2024-election-live-updates_n_66db15a1e4b0abbb7b4491c1), [Politico](https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2024/09/10/trump-harris-presidential-debate-tonight/watch-debate-online-00178409), and [the BBC](https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c9wjn8py59jt).  Additionally, [NPR will be streaming live audio coverage of the debate at this link](https://www.npr.org/2024/09/09/nx-s1-5106053/debate-harris-trump-listen-live-watch).

**Fact Checking**

- PolitiFact via PBS NewsHour: [Live fact check: Trump and Harris meet for presidential debate](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/live-fact-check-trump-and-harris-meet-for-presidential-debate)

- Snopes: [Fact-Checking Harris-Trump Sept. 10 Presidential Debate: Live Updates](https://www.snopes.com/live/harris-trump-debate-live-updates/)

**Where to Watch:**

- PBS via YouTube: [Harris and Trump debate — PBS News simulcast of ABC’s 2024 Presidential Debate](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pJrIOey7OQ) (Stream begins at 6 p.m.)

- C-SPAN: [ABC News Presidential Debate Preview](https://www.c-span.org/video/?538055-1/abc-news-presidential-debate-preview) (Stream begins at 8 p.m.)

- ABC via YouTube: [ABC News Presidential Debate: Harris and Trump meet in Philadelphia](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRh6598RmHM) (Stream begins at 8 p.m.)

- C-SPAN: [Simulcast - ABC News Presidential Debate](https://www.c-span.org/video/?538053-1/simulcast-abc-news-presidential-debate) (Stream begins at 9 p.m.)

- C-SPAN: [Reaction to ABC News Presidential Debate](https://www.c-span.org/video/?538056-1/reaction-abc-news-presidential-debate) (Stream begins at 10:40 p.m.)

---

**Edit: thread 4: https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1fdyytn/discussion_thread_first_presidential_debate_of/?sort=new**",1fdypmd,"Discussion Thread: First Presidential Debate of the 2024 General Election Between Vice President Kamala Harris and Former President Donald Trump, Part 3
This post is the third discussion thread for tonight's debate.  The first and second threads were locked and refreshed when they gathered too many comments, and [can be accessed here](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1fdtubw/discussion_thread_first_presidential_debate_of/?sort=confidence) and [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1fdy9k3/discussion_thread_first_presidential_debate_of/?sort=confidence), respectively.

**Live Updates**

Those wishing to follow along with the debate through text-based updates can find them at any of the following outlets: [AP](https://apnews.com/live/harris-trump-debate-election-2024-updates), [CNN](https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/trump-harris-debate-abc-09-10-24/index.html), [ABC](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/live-updates/trump-harris-2024-presidential-debate/?id=113525682), [CBS](https://www.cbsnews.com/live-updates/trump-harris-first-debate-2024/), [NBC](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/live-blog/trump-harris-presidential-debate-live-updates-rcna169722), [The New Yorker](https://www.newyorker.com/live/2024-presidential-debate-analysis-donald-trump-kamala-harris) (soft paywall), [The Washington Post](https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/2024/09/10/election-2024-presidential-debate-harris-trump/) (soft paywall), [The New York Times](https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/09/10/us/harris-trump-debate) (soft paywall), [USA Today](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/09/10/debate-trump-harris-2024-live-updates/75145043007/), [CNBC](https://www.cnbc.com/2024/09/10/presidential-debate-live-updates-trump-harris.html), [WHYY](https://whyy.org/live/election-2024-presidential-debate-harris-trump-philadelphia-constitution-center-delaware-primary-live-updates/), [MSNBC](https://www.msnbc.com/politics/2024-election/live-blog/harris-trump-presidential-debate-live-updates-rcna170176), [The Independent](https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-harris-presidential-debate-live-updates-time-tonight-b2609991.html), [Vanity Fair](https://www.vanityfair.com/live/presidential-debate-september-2024), [The Wall Street Journal](https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/harris-trump-presidential-debate-election-2024) (paywall), [The Huffington Post](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/2024-election-live-updates_n_66db15a1e4b0abbb7b4491c1), [Politico](https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2024/09/10/trump-harris-presidential-debate-tonight/watch-debate-online-00178409), and [the BBC](https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c9wjn8py59jt).  Additionally, [NPR will be streaming live audio coverage of the debate at this link](https://www.npr.org/2024/09/09/nx-s1-5106053/debate-harris-trump-listen-live-watch).

**Fact Checking**

- PolitiFact via PBS NewsHour: [Live fact check: Trump and Harris meet for presidential debate](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/live-fact-check-trump-and-harris-meet-for-presidential-debate)

- Snopes: [Fact-Checking Harris-Trump Sept. 10 Presidential Debate: Live Updates](https://www.snopes.com/live/harris-trump-debate-live-updates/)

**Where to Watch:**

- PBS via YouTube: [Harris and Trump debate — PBS News simulcast of ABC’s 2024 Presidential Debate](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pJrIOey7OQ) (Stream begins at 6 p.m.)

- C-SPAN: [ABC News Presidential Debate Preview](https://www.c-span.org/video/?538055-1/abc-news-presidential-debate-preview) (Stream begins at 8 p.m.)

- ABC via YouTube: [ABC News Presidential Debate: Harris and Trump meet in Philadelphia](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRh6598RmHM) (Stream begins at 8 p.m.)

- C-SPAN: [Simulcast - ABC News Presidential Debate](https://www.c-span.org/video/?538053-1/simulcast-abc-news-presidential-debate) (Stream begins at 9 p.m.)

- C-SPAN: [Reaction to ABC News Presidential Debate](https://www.c-span.org/video/?538056-1/reaction-abc-news-presidential-debate) (Stream begins at 10:40 p.m.)

---

**Edit: thread 4: https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1fdyytn/discussion_thread_first_presidential_debate_of/?sort=new**"
"Discussion Thread: First Presidential Debate of the 2024 General Election Between Vice President Kamala Harris and Former President Donald Trump, Part 4",1516,https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1fdyytn/discussion_thread_first_presidential_debate_of/,10048,2024-09-11 01:55:57,"This post is the fourth discussion thread for tonight's debate.  The first through third threads were locked and refreshed when they gathered too many comments, and [can be accessed here](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1fdtubw/discussion_thread_first_presidential_debate_of/?sort=confidence), [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1fdy9k3/discussion_thread_first_presidential_debate_of/?sort=confidence), and [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1fdypmd/discussion_thread_first_presidential_debate_of/?sort=confidence), respectively.

**Live Updates**

Those wishing to follow along with the debate through text-based updates can find them at any of the following outlets: [AP](https://apnews.com/live/harris-trump-debate-election-2024-updates), [CNN](https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/trump-harris-debate-abc-09-10-24/index.html), [ABC](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/live-updates/trump-harris-2024-presidential-debate/?id=113525682), [CBS](https://www.cbsnews.com/live-updates/trump-harris-first-debate-2024/), [NBC](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/live-blog/trump-harris-presidential-debate-live-updates-rcna169722), [The New Yorker](https://www.newyorker.com/live/2024-presidential-debate-analysis-donald-trump-kamala-harris) (soft paywall), [The Washington Post](https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/2024/09/10/election-2024-presidential-debate-harris-trump/) (soft paywall), [The New York Times](https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/09/10/us/harris-trump-debate) (soft paywall), [USA Today](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/09/10/debate-trump-harris-2024-live-updates/75145043007/), [CNBC](https://www.cnbc.com/2024/09/10/presidential-debate-live-updates-trump-harris.html), [WHYY](https://whyy.org/live/election-2024-presidential-debate-harris-trump-philadelphia-constitution-center-delaware-primary-live-updates/), [MSNBC](https://www.msnbc.com/politics/2024-election/live-blog/harris-trump-presidential-debate-live-updates-rcna170176), [The Independent](https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-harris-presidential-debate-live-updates-time-tonight-b2609991.html), [Vanity Fair](https://www.vanityfair.com/live/presidential-debate-september-2024), [The Wall Street Journal](https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/harris-trump-presidential-debate-election-2024) (paywall), [The Huffington Post](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/2024-election-live-updates_n_66db15a1e4b0abbb7b4491c1), [Politico](https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2024/09/10/trump-harris-presidential-debate-tonight/watch-debate-online-00178409), and [the BBC](https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c9wjn8py59jt).  Additionally, [NPR will be streaming live audio coverage of the debate at this link](https://www.npr.org/2024/09/09/nx-s1-5106053/debate-harris-trump-listen-live-watch).

**Fact Checking**

- PolitiFact via PBS NewsHour: [Live fact check: Trump and Harris meet for presidential debate](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/live-fact-check-trump-and-harris-meet-for-presidential-debate)

- Snopes: [Fact-Checking Harris-Trump Sept. 10 Presidential Debate: Live Updates](https://www.snopes.com/live/harris-trump-debate-live-updates/)

**Where to Watch:**

- PBS via YouTube: [Harris and Trump debate — PBS News simulcast of ABC’s 2024 Presidential Debate](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pJrIOey7OQ) (Stream begins at 6 p.m.)

- C-SPAN: [ABC News Presidential Debate Preview](https://www.c-span.org/video/?538055-1/abc-news-presidential-debate-preview) (Stream begins at 8 p.m.)

- ABC via YouTube: [ABC News Presidential Debate: Harris and Trump meet in Philadelphia](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRh6598RmHM) (Stream begins at 8 p.m.)

- C-SPAN: [Simulcast - ABC News Presidential Debate](https://www.c-span.org/video/?538053-1/simulcast-abc-news-presidential-debate) (Stream begins at 9 p.m.)

- C-SPAN: [Reaction to ABC News Presidential Debate](https://www.c-span.org/video/?538056-1/reaction-abc-news-presidential-debate) (Stream begins at 10:40 p.m.)

---

**Edit: thread 5: https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1fdz7kl/discussion_thread_first_presidential_debate_of/?sort=new**",1fdyytn,"Discussion Thread: First Presidential Debate of the 2024 General Election Between Vice President Kamala Harris and Former President Donald Trump, Part 4
This post is the fourth discussion thread for tonight's debate.  The first through third threads were locked and refreshed when they gathered too many comments, and [can be accessed here](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1fdtubw/discussion_thread_first_presidential_debate_of/?sort=confidence), [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1fdy9k3/discussion_thread_first_presidential_debate_of/?sort=confidence), and [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1fdypmd/discussion_thread_first_presidential_debate_of/?sort=confidence), respectively.

**Live Updates**

Those wishing to follow along with the debate through text-based updates can find them at any of the following outlets: [AP](https://apnews.com/live/harris-trump-debate-election-2024-updates), [CNN](https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/trump-harris-debate-abc-09-10-24/index.html), [ABC](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/live-updates/trump-harris-2024-presidential-debate/?id=113525682), [CBS](https://www.cbsnews.com/live-updates/trump-harris-first-debate-2024/), [NBC](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/live-blog/trump-harris-presidential-debate-live-updates-rcna169722), [The New Yorker](https://www.newyorker.com/live/2024-presidential-debate-analysis-donald-trump-kamala-harris) (soft paywall), [The Washington Post](https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/2024/09/10/election-2024-presidential-debate-harris-trump/) (soft paywall), [The New York Times](https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/09/10/us/harris-trump-debate) (soft paywall), [USA Today](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/09/10/debate-trump-harris-2024-live-updates/75145043007/), [CNBC](https://www.cnbc.com/2024/09/10/presidential-debate-live-updates-trump-harris.html), [WHYY](https://whyy.org/live/election-2024-presidential-debate-harris-trump-philadelphia-constitution-center-delaware-primary-live-updates/), [MSNBC](https://www.msnbc.com/politics/2024-election/live-blog/harris-trump-presidential-debate-live-updates-rcna170176), [The Independent](https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-harris-presidential-debate-live-updates-time-tonight-b2609991.html), [Vanity Fair](https://www.vanityfair.com/live/presidential-debate-september-2024), [The Wall Street Journal](https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/harris-trump-presidential-debate-election-2024) (paywall), [The Huffington Post](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/2024-election-live-updates_n_66db15a1e4b0abbb7b4491c1), [Politico](https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2024/09/10/trump-harris-presidential-debate-tonight/watch-debate-online-00178409), and [the BBC](https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c9wjn8py59jt).  Additionally, [NPR will be streaming live audio coverage of the debate at this link](https://www.npr.org/2024/09/09/nx-s1-5106053/debate-harris-trump-listen-live-watch).

**Fact Checking**

- PolitiFact via PBS NewsHour: [Live fact check: Trump and Harris meet for presidential debate](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/live-fact-check-trump-and-harris-meet-for-presidential-debate)

- Snopes: [Fact-Checking Harris-Trump Sept. 10 Presidential Debate: Live Updates](https://www.snopes.com/live/harris-trump-debate-live-updates/)

**Where to Watch:**

- PBS via YouTube: [Harris and Trump debate — PBS News simulcast of ABC’s 2024 Presidential Debate](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pJrIOey7OQ) (Stream begins at 6 p.m.)

- C-SPAN: [ABC News Presidential Debate Preview](https://www.c-span.org/video/?538055-1/abc-news-presidential-debate-preview) (Stream begins at 8 p.m.)

- ABC via YouTube: [ABC News Presidential Debate: Harris and Trump meet in Philadelphia](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRh6598RmHM) (Stream begins at 8 p.m.)

- C-SPAN: [Simulcast - ABC News Presidential Debate](https://www.c-span.org/video/?538053-1/simulcast-abc-news-presidential-debate) (Stream begins at 9 p.m.)

- C-SPAN: [Reaction to ABC News Presidential Debate](https://www.c-span.org/video/?538056-1/reaction-abc-news-presidential-debate) (Stream begins at 10:40 p.m.)

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**Edit: thread 5: https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1fdz7kl/discussion_thread_first_presidential_debate_of/?sort=new**"
"Discussion Thread: First Presidential Debate of the 2024 General Election Between Vice President Kamala Harris and Former President Donald Trump, Part 5",7073,https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1fdz7kl/discussion_thread_first_presidential_debate_of/,15628,2024-09-11 02:08:34,"This post is the fifth discussion thread for tonight's debate.  The first through fourth threads were locked and refreshed when they gathered too many comments, and [can be accessed here](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1fdtubw/discussion_thread_first_presidential_debate_of/?sort=confidence), [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1fdy9k3/discussion_thread_first_presidential_debate_of/?sort=confidence), [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1fdypmd/discussion_thread_first_presidential_debate_of/?sort=confidence), and [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1fdyytn/discussion_thread_first_presidential_debate_of/?sort=confidence), respectively.


---

**Edit: Thread 6, post-debate thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1fdzlp3/discussion_thread_first_presidential_debate_of/?sort=new**

**Live Updates**

Those wishing to follow along with the debate through text-based updates can find them at any of the following outlets: [AP](https://apnews.com/live/harris-trump-debate-election-2024-updates), [CNN](https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/trump-harris-debate-abc-09-10-24/index.html), [ABC](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/live-updates/trump-harris-2024-presidential-debate/?id=113525682), [CBS](https://www.cbsnews.com/live-updates/trump-harris-first-debate-2024/), [NBC](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/live-blog/trump-harris-presidential-debate-live-updates-rcna169722), [The New Yorker](https://www.newyorker.com/live/2024-presidential-debate-analysis-donald-trump-kamala-harris) (soft paywall), [The Washington Post](https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/2024/09/10/election-2024-presidential-debate-harris-trump/) (soft paywall), [The New York Times](https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/09/10/us/harris-trump-debate) (soft paywall), [USA Today](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/09/10/debate-trump-harris-2024-live-updates/75145043007/), [CNBC](https://www.cnbc.com/2024/09/10/presidential-debate-live-updates-trump-harris.html), [WHYY](https://whyy.org/live/election-2024-presidential-debate-harris-trump-philadelphia-constitution-center-delaware-primary-live-updates/), [MSNBC](https://www.msnbc.com/politics/2024-election/live-blog/harris-trump-presidential-debate-live-updates-rcna170176), [The Independent](https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-harris-presidential-debate-live-updates-time-tonight-b2609991.html), [Vanity Fair](https://www.vanityfair.com/live/presidential-debate-september-2024), [The Wall Street Journal](https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/harris-trump-presidential-debate-election-2024) (paywall), [The Huffington Post](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/2024-election-live-updates_n_66db15a1e4b0abbb7b4491c1), [Politico](https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2024/09/10/trump-harris-presidential-debate-tonight/watch-debate-online-00178409), and [the BBC](https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c9wjn8py59jt).  Additionally, [NPR will be streaming live audio coverage of the debate at this link](https://www.npr.org/2024/09/09/nx-s1-5106053/debate-harris-trump-listen-live-watch).

**Fact Checking**

- PolitiFact via PBS NewsHour: [Live fact check: Trump and Harris meet for presidential debate](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/live-fact-check-trump-and-harris-meet-for-presidential-debate)

- Snopes: [Fact-Checking Harris-Trump Sept. 10 Presidential Debate: Live Updates](https://www.snopes.com/live/harris-trump-debate-live-updates/)

**Where to Watch:**

- PBS via YouTube: [Harris and Trump debate — PBS News simulcast of ABC’s 2024 Presidential Debate](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pJrIOey7OQ) (Stream begins at 6 p.m.)

- C-SPAN: [ABC News Presidential Debate Preview](https://www.c-span.org/video/?538055-1/abc-news-presidential-debate-preview) (Stream begins at 8 p.m.)

- ABC via YouTube: [ABC News Presidential Debate: Harris and Trump meet in Philadelphia](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRh6598RmHM) (Stream begins at 8 p.m.)

- C-SPAN: [Simulcast - ABC News Presidential Debate](https://www.c-span.org/video/?538053-1/simulcast-abc-news-presidential-debate) (Stream begins at 9 p.m.)

- C-SPAN: [Reaction to ABC News Presidential Debate](https://www.c-span.org/video/?538056-1/reaction-abc-news-presidential-debate) (Stream begins at 10:40 p.m.)",1fdz7kl,"Discussion Thread: First Presidential Debate of the 2024 General Election Between Vice President Kamala Harris and Former President Donald Trump, Part 5
This post is the fifth discussion thread for tonight's debate.  The first through fourth threads were locked and refreshed when they gathered too many comments, and [can be accessed here](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1fdtubw/discussion_thread_first_presidential_debate_of/?sort=confidence), [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1fdy9k3/discussion_thread_first_presidential_debate_of/?sort=confidence), [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1fdypmd/discussion_thread_first_presidential_debate_of/?sort=confidence), and [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1fdyytn/discussion_thread_first_presidential_debate_of/?sort=confidence), respectively.


---

**Edit: Thread 6, post-debate thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1fdzlp3/discussion_thread_first_presidential_debate_of/?sort=new**

**Live Updates**

Those wishing to follow along with the debate through text-based updates can find them at any of the following outlets: [AP](https://apnews.com/live/harris-trump-debate-election-2024-updates), [CNN](https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/trump-harris-debate-abc-09-10-24/index.html), [ABC](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/live-updates/trump-harris-2024-presidential-debate/?id=113525682), [CBS](https://www.cbsnews.com/live-updates/trump-harris-first-debate-2024/), [NBC](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/live-blog/trump-harris-presidential-debate-live-updates-rcna169722), [The New Yorker](https://www.newyorker.com/live/2024-presidential-debate-analysis-donald-trump-kamala-harris) (soft paywall), [The Washington Post](https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/2024/09/10/election-2024-presidential-debate-harris-trump/) (soft paywall), [The New York Times](https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/09/10/us/harris-trump-debate) (soft paywall), [USA Today](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/09/10/debate-trump-harris-2024-live-updates/75145043007/), [CNBC](https://www.cnbc.com/2024/09/10/presidential-debate-live-updates-trump-harris.html), [WHYY](https://whyy.org/live/election-2024-presidential-debate-harris-trump-philadelphia-constitution-center-delaware-primary-live-updates/), [MSNBC](https://www.msnbc.com/politics/2024-election/live-blog/harris-trump-presidential-debate-live-updates-rcna170176), [The Independent](https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-harris-presidential-debate-live-updates-time-tonight-b2609991.html), [Vanity Fair](https://www.vanityfair.com/live/presidential-debate-september-2024), [The Wall Street Journal](https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/harris-trump-presidential-debate-election-2024) (paywall), [The Huffington Post](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/2024-election-live-updates_n_66db15a1e4b0abbb7b4491c1), [Politico](https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2024/09/10/trump-harris-presidential-debate-tonight/watch-debate-online-00178409), and [the BBC](https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c9wjn8py59jt).  Additionally, [NPR will be streaming live audio coverage of the debate at this link](https://www.npr.org/2024/09/09/nx-s1-5106053/debate-harris-trump-listen-live-watch).

**Fact Checking**

- PolitiFact via PBS NewsHour: [Live fact check: Trump and Harris meet for presidential debate](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/live-fact-check-trump-and-harris-meet-for-presidential-debate)

- Snopes: [Fact-Checking Harris-Trump Sept. 10 Presidential Debate: Live Updates](https://www.snopes.com/live/harris-trump-debate-live-updates/)

**Where to Watch:**

- PBS via YouTube: [Harris and Trump debate — PBS News simulcast of ABC’s 2024 Presidential Debate](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pJrIOey7OQ) (Stream begins at 6 p.m.)

- C-SPAN: [ABC News Presidential Debate Preview](https://www.c-span.org/video/?538055-1/abc-news-presidential-debate-preview) (Stream begins at 8 p.m.)

- ABC via YouTube: [ABC News Presidential Debate: Harris and Trump meet in Philadelphia](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRh6598RmHM) (Stream begins at 8 p.m.)

- C-SPAN: [Simulcast - ABC News Presidential Debate](https://www.c-span.org/video/?538053-1/simulcast-abc-news-presidential-debate) (Stream begins at 9 p.m.)

- C-SPAN: [Reaction to ABC News Presidential Debate](https://www.c-span.org/video/?538056-1/reaction-abc-news-presidential-debate) (Stream begins at 10:40 p.m.)"
"Discussion Thread: First Presidential Debate of the 2024 General Election Between Vice President Kamala Harris and Former President Donald Trump, Part 6 (Post-Debate Thread)",2137,https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1fdzlp3/discussion_thread_first_presidential_debate_of/,10903,2024-09-11 02:29:17,"**We're now on [the seventh discussion thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1fdzwy5/discussion_thread_first_presidential_debate_of/?sort=new) for tonight's debate.  The first through sixth threads were locked and refreshed when they gathered too many comments, and [the first](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1fdtubw/discussion_thread_first_presidential_debate_of/?sort=confidence), [the second](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1fdy9k3/discussion_thread_first_presidential_debate_of/?sort=confidence), [the third](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1fdypmd/discussion_thread_first_presidential_debate_of/?sort=confidence), [the fourth](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1fdyytn/discussion_thread_first_presidential_debate_of/?sort=confidence), [the fifth](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1fdz7kl/discussion_thread_first_presidential_debate_of/?sort=confidence), and [the sixth](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1fdzlp3/discussion_thread_first_presidential_debate_of/?sort=confidence) threads.**

**Live Updates**

Those wishing to follow along with the debate through text-based updates can find them at any of the following outlets: [AP](https://apnews.com/live/harris-trump-debate-election-2024-updates), [CNN](https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/trump-harris-debate-abc-09-10-24/index.html), [ABC](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/live-updates/trump-harris-2024-presidential-debate/?id=113525682), [CBS](https://www.cbsnews.com/live-updates/trump-harris-first-debate-2024/), [NBC](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/live-blog/trump-harris-presidential-debate-live-updates-rcna169722), [The New Yorker](https://www.newyorker.com/live/2024-presidential-debate-analysis-donald-trump-kamala-harris) (soft paywall), [The Washington Post](https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/2024/09/10/election-2024-presidential-debate-harris-trump/) (soft paywall), [The New York Times](https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/09/10/us/harris-trump-debate) (soft paywall), [USA Today](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/09/10/debate-trump-harris-2024-live-updates/75145043007/), [CNBC](https://www.cnbc.com/2024/09/10/presidential-debate-live-updates-trump-harris.html), [WHYY](https://whyy.org/live/election-2024-presidential-debate-harris-trump-philadelphia-constitution-center-delaware-primary-live-updates/), [MSNBC](https://www.msnbc.com/politics/2024-election/live-blog/harris-trump-presidential-debate-live-updates-rcna170176), [The Independent](https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-harris-presidential-debate-live-updates-time-tonight-b2609991.html), [Vanity Fair](https://www.vanityfair.com/live/presidential-debate-september-2024), [The Wall Street Journal](https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/harris-trump-presidential-debate-election-2024) (paywall), [The Huffington Post](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/2024-election-live-updates_n_66db15a1e4b0abbb7b4491c1), [Politico](https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2024/09/10/trump-harris-presidential-debate-tonight/watch-debate-online-00178409), and [the BBC](https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c9wjn8py59jt).  Additionally, [NPR will be streaming live audio coverage of the debate at this link](https://www.npr.org/2024/09/09/nx-s1-5106053/debate-harris-trump-listen-live-watch).

**Fact Checking**

- PolitiFact via PBS NewsHour: [Live fact check: Trump and Harris meet for presidential debate](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/live-fact-check-trump-and-harris-meet-for-presidential-debate)

- Snopes: [Fact-Checking Harris-Trump Sept. 10 Presidential Debate: Live Updates](https://www.snopes.com/live/harris-trump-debate-live-updates/)

**Where to Watch:**

- PBS via YouTube: [Harris and Trump debate — PBS News simulcast of ABC’s 2024 Presidential Debate](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pJrIOey7OQ) (Stream begins at 6 p.m.)

- C-SPAN: [ABC News Presidential Debate Preview](https://www.c-span.org/video/?538055-1/abc-news-presidential-debate-preview) (Stream begins at 8 p.m.)

- ABC via YouTube: [ABC News Presidential Debate: Harris and Trump meet in Philadelphia](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRh6598RmHM) (Stream begins at 8 p.m.)

- C-SPAN: [Simulcast - ABC News Presidential Debate](https://www.c-span.org/video/?538053-1/simulcast-abc-news-presidential-debate) (Stream begins at 9 p.m.)

- C-SPAN: [Reaction to ABC News Presidential Debate](https://www.c-span.org/video/?538056-1/reaction-abc-news-presidential-debate) (Stream begins at 10:40 p.m.)",1fdzlp3,"Discussion Thread: First Presidential Debate of the 2024 General Election Between Vice President Kamala Harris and Former President Donald Trump, Part 6 (Post-Debate Thread)
**We're now on [the seventh discussion thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1fdzwy5/discussion_thread_first_presidential_debate_of/?sort=new) for tonight's debate.  The first through sixth threads were locked and refreshed when they gathered too many comments, and [the first](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1fdtubw/discussion_thread_first_presidential_debate_of/?sort=confidence), [the second](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1fdy9k3/discussion_thread_first_presidential_debate_of/?sort=confidence), [the third](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1fdypmd/discussion_thread_first_presidential_debate_of/?sort=confidence), [the fourth](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1fdyytn/discussion_thread_first_presidential_debate_of/?sort=confidence), [the fifth](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1fdz7kl/discussion_thread_first_presidential_debate_of/?sort=confidence), and [the sixth](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1fdzlp3/discussion_thread_first_presidential_debate_of/?sort=confidence) threads.**

**Live Updates**

Those wishing to follow along with the debate through text-based updates can find them at any of the following outlets: [AP](https://apnews.com/live/harris-trump-debate-election-2024-updates), [CNN](https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/trump-harris-debate-abc-09-10-24/index.html), [ABC](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/live-updates/trump-harris-2024-presidential-debate/?id=113525682), [CBS](https://www.cbsnews.com/live-updates/trump-harris-first-debate-2024/), [NBC](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/live-blog/trump-harris-presidential-debate-live-updates-rcna169722), [The New Yorker](https://www.newyorker.com/live/2024-presidential-debate-analysis-donald-trump-kamala-harris) (soft paywall), [The Washington Post](https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/2024/09/10/election-2024-presidential-debate-harris-trump/) (soft paywall), [The New York Times](https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/09/10/us/harris-trump-debate) (soft paywall), [USA Today](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/09/10/debate-trump-harris-2024-live-updates/75145043007/), [CNBC](https://www.cnbc.com/2024/09/10/presidential-debate-live-updates-trump-harris.html), [WHYY](https://whyy.org/live/election-2024-presidential-debate-harris-trump-philadelphia-constitution-center-delaware-primary-live-updates/), [MSNBC](https://www.msnbc.com/politics/2024-election/live-blog/harris-trump-presidential-debate-live-updates-rcna170176), [The Independent](https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-harris-presidential-debate-live-updates-time-tonight-b2609991.html), [Vanity Fair](https://www.vanityfair.com/live/presidential-debate-september-2024), [The Wall Street Journal](https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/harris-trump-presidential-debate-election-2024) (paywall), [The Huffington Post](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/2024-election-live-updates_n_66db15a1e4b0abbb7b4491c1), [Politico](https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2024/09/10/trump-harris-presidential-debate-tonight/watch-debate-online-00178409), and [the BBC](https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c9wjn8py59jt).  Additionally, [NPR will be streaming live audio coverage of the debate at this link](https://www.npr.org/2024/09/09/nx-s1-5106053/debate-harris-trump-listen-live-watch).

**Fact Checking**

- PolitiFact via PBS NewsHour: [Live fact check: Trump and Harris meet for presidential debate](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/live-fact-check-trump-and-harris-meet-for-presidential-debate)

- Snopes: [Fact-Checking Harris-Trump Sept. 10 Presidential Debate: Live Updates](https://www.snopes.com/live/harris-trump-debate-live-updates/)

**Where to Watch:**

- PBS via YouTube: [Harris and Trump debate — PBS News simulcast of ABC’s 2024 Presidential Debate](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pJrIOey7OQ) (Stream begins at 6 p.m.)

- C-SPAN: [ABC News Presidential Debate Preview](https://www.c-span.org/video/?538055-1/abc-news-presidential-debate-preview) (Stream begins at 8 p.m.)

- ABC via YouTube: [ABC News Presidential Debate: Harris and Trump meet in Philadelphia](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRh6598RmHM) (Stream begins at 8 p.m.)

- C-SPAN: [Simulcast - ABC News Presidential Debate](https://www.c-span.org/video/?538053-1/simulcast-abc-news-presidential-debate) (Stream begins at 9 p.m.)

- C-SPAN: [Reaction to ABC News Presidential Debate](https://www.c-span.org/video/?538056-1/reaction-abc-news-presidential-debate) (Stream begins at 10:40 p.m.)"
"Discussion Thread: First Presidential Debate of the 2024 General Election Between Vice President Kamala Harris and Former President Donald Trump, Part 7 (Post-Debate Thread)",2263,https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1fdzwy5/discussion_thread_first_presidential_debate_of/,13024,2024-09-11 02:45:51,"This post is the seventh and hopefully-final discussion thread for tonight's debate.  The first through sixth threads were locked and refreshed when they gathered too many comments, and [the first](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1fdtubw/discussion_thread_first_presidential_debate_of/?sort=confidence), [the second](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1fdy9k3/discussion_thread_first_presidential_debate_of/?sort=confidence), [the third](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1fdypmd/discussion_thread_first_presidential_debate_of/?sort=confidence), and [the fourth](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1fdyytn/discussion_thread_first_presidential_debate_of/?sort=confidence), and [the fifth](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1fdz7kl/discussion_thread_first_presidential_debate_of/?sort=confidence), and [the sixth](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1fdzlp3/discussion_thread_first_presidential_debate_of/?sort=confidence) threads are available at the preceding, embedded links.

**Live Updates**

Those wishing to follow along with the debate through text-based updates can find them at any of the following outlets: [AP](https://apnews.com/live/harris-trump-debate-election-2024-updates), [CNN](https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/trump-harris-debate-abc-09-10-24/index.html), [ABC](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/live-updates/trump-harris-2024-presidential-debate/?id=113525682), [CBS](https://www.cbsnews.com/live-updates/trump-harris-first-debate-2024/), [NBC](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/live-blog/trump-harris-presidential-debate-live-updates-rcna169722), [The New Yorker](https://www.newyorker.com/live/2024-presidential-debate-analysis-donald-trump-kamala-harris) (soft paywall), [The Washington Post](https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/2024/09/10/election-2024-presidential-debate-harris-trump/) (soft paywall), [The New York Times](https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/09/10/us/harris-trump-debate) (soft paywall), [USA Today](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/09/10/debate-trump-harris-2024-live-updates/75145043007/), [CNBC](https://www.cnbc.com/2024/09/10/presidential-debate-live-updates-trump-harris.html), [WHYY](https://whyy.org/live/election-2024-presidential-debate-harris-trump-philadelphia-constitution-center-delaware-primary-live-updates/), [MSNBC](https://www.msnbc.com/politics/2024-election/live-blog/harris-trump-presidential-debate-live-updates-rcna170176), [The Independent](https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-harris-presidential-debate-live-updates-time-tonight-b2609991.html), [Vanity Fair](https://www.vanityfair.com/live/presidential-debate-september-2024), [The Wall Street Journal](https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/harris-trump-presidential-debate-election-2024) (paywall), [The Huffington Post](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/2024-election-live-updates_n_66db15a1e4b0abbb7b4491c1), [Politico](https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2024/09/10/trump-harris-presidential-debate-tonight/watch-debate-online-00178409), and [the BBC](https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c9wjn8py59jt).  Additionally, [NPR will be streaming live audio coverage of the debate at this link](https://www.npr.org/2024/09/09/nx-s1-5106053/debate-harris-trump-listen-live-watch).

**Fact Checking**

- PolitiFact via PBS NewsHour: [Live fact check: Trump and Harris meet for presidential debate](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/live-fact-check-trump-and-harris-meet-for-presidential-debate)

- Snopes: [Fact-Checking Harris-Trump Sept. 10 Presidential Debate: Live Updates](https://www.snopes.com/live/harris-trump-debate-live-updates/)

**Where to Watch:**

- PBS via YouTube: [Harris and Trump debate — PBS News simulcast of ABC’s 2024 Presidential Debate](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pJrIOey7OQ) (Stream begins at 6 p.m.)

- C-SPAN: [ABC News Presidential Debate Preview](https://www.c-span.org/video/?538055-1/abc-news-presidential-debate-preview) (Stream begins at 8 p.m.)

- ABC via YouTube: [ABC News Presidential Debate: Harris and Trump meet in Philadelphia](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRh6598RmHM) (Stream begins at 8 p.m.)

- C-SPAN: [Simulcast - ABC News Presidential Debate](https://www.c-span.org/video/?538053-1/simulcast-abc-news-presidential-debate) (Stream begins at 9 p.m.)

- C-SPAN: [Reaction to ABC News Presidential Debate](https://www.c-span.org/video/?538056-1/reaction-abc-news-presidential-debate) (Stream scheduled to begin shortly after the debate concludes)",1fdzwy5,"Discussion Thread: First Presidential Debate of the 2024 General Election Between Vice President Kamala Harris and Former President Donald Trump, Part 7 (Post-Debate Thread)
This post is the seventh and hopefully-final discussion thread for tonight's debate.  The first through sixth threads were locked and refreshed when they gathered too many comments, and [the first](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1fdtubw/discussion_thread_first_presidential_debate_of/?sort=confidence), [the second](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1fdy9k3/discussion_thread_first_presidential_debate_of/?sort=confidence), [the third](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1fdypmd/discussion_thread_first_presidential_debate_of/?sort=confidence), and [the fourth](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1fdyytn/discussion_thread_first_presidential_debate_of/?sort=confidence), and [the fifth](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1fdz7kl/discussion_thread_first_presidential_debate_of/?sort=confidence), and [the sixth](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1fdzlp3/discussion_thread_first_presidential_debate_of/?sort=confidence) threads are available at the preceding, embedded links.

**Live Updates**

Those wishing to follow along with the debate through text-based updates can find them at any of the following outlets: [AP](https://apnews.com/live/harris-trump-debate-election-2024-updates), [CNN](https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/trump-harris-debate-abc-09-10-24/index.html), [ABC](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/live-updates/trump-harris-2024-presidential-debate/?id=113525682), [CBS](https://www.cbsnews.com/live-updates/trump-harris-first-debate-2024/), [NBC](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/live-blog/trump-harris-presidential-debate-live-updates-rcna169722), [The New Yorker](https://www.newyorker.com/live/2024-presidential-debate-analysis-donald-trump-kamala-harris) (soft paywall), [The Washington Post](https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/2024/09/10/election-2024-presidential-debate-harris-trump/) (soft paywall), [The New York Times](https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/09/10/us/harris-trump-debate) (soft paywall), [USA Today](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/09/10/debate-trump-harris-2024-live-updates/75145043007/), [CNBC](https://www.cnbc.com/2024/09/10/presidential-debate-live-updates-trump-harris.html), [WHYY](https://whyy.org/live/election-2024-presidential-debate-harris-trump-philadelphia-constitution-center-delaware-primary-live-updates/), [MSNBC](https://www.msnbc.com/politics/2024-election/live-blog/harris-trump-presidential-debate-live-updates-rcna170176), [The Independent](https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-harris-presidential-debate-live-updates-time-tonight-b2609991.html), [Vanity Fair](https://www.vanityfair.com/live/presidential-debate-september-2024), [The Wall Street Journal](https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/harris-trump-presidential-debate-election-2024) (paywall), [The Huffington Post](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/2024-election-live-updates_n_66db15a1e4b0abbb7b4491c1), [Politico](https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2024/09/10/trump-harris-presidential-debate-tonight/watch-debate-online-00178409), and [the BBC](https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c9wjn8py59jt).  Additionally, [NPR will be streaming live audio coverage of the debate at this link](https://www.npr.org/2024/09/09/nx-s1-5106053/debate-harris-trump-listen-live-watch).

**Fact Checking**

- PolitiFact via PBS NewsHour: [Live fact check: Trump and Harris meet for presidential debate](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/live-fact-check-trump-and-harris-meet-for-presidential-debate)

- Snopes: [Fact-Checking Harris-Trump Sept. 10 Presidential Debate: Live Updates](https://www.snopes.com/live/harris-trump-debate-live-updates/)

**Where to Watch:**

- PBS via YouTube: [Harris and Trump debate — PBS News simulcast of ABC’s 2024 Presidential Debate](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pJrIOey7OQ) (Stream begins at 6 p.m.)

- C-SPAN: [ABC News Presidential Debate Preview](https://www.c-span.org/video/?538055-1/abc-news-presidential-debate-preview) (Stream begins at 8 p.m.)

- ABC via YouTube: [ABC News Presidential Debate: Harris and Trump meet in Philadelphia](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRh6598RmHM) (Stream begins at 8 p.m.)

- C-SPAN: [Simulcast - ABC News Presidential Debate](https://www.c-span.org/video/?538053-1/simulcast-abc-news-presidential-debate) (Stream begins at 9 p.m.)

- C-SPAN: [Reaction to ABC News Presidential Debate](https://www.c-span.org/video/?538056-1/reaction-abc-news-presidential-debate) (Stream scheduled to begin shortly after the debate concludes)"
"Taylor Swift endorses Kamala Harris: ""I will be casting my vote for Kamala Harris and Tim Walz in the 2024 Presidential Election. I’m voting for @kamalaharris because she fights for the rights and causes I believe need a warrior to champion them.""",5938,https://www.instagram.com/taylorswift/p/C_wtAOKOW1z/,399,2024-09-11 03:08:52,,1fe0ccl,"Taylor Swift endorses Kamala Harris: ""I will be casting my vote for Kamala Harris and Tim Walz in the 2024 Presidential Election. I’m voting for @kamalaharris because she fights for the rights and causes I believe need a warrior to champion them.""
"
Taylor Swift Brings 283 Million Fans to Razor-Thin 2024 Election,7174,https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-09-11/taylor-swift-endorses-vice-president-kamala-harris-for-2024-presidential-race?sref=xuVirdpv,650,2024-09-11 18:30:44,,1fehfg7,"Taylor Swift Brings 283 Million Fans to Razor-Thin 2024 Election
"
Taylor Swift Brings 283 Million Fans to Razor-Thin 2024 Election,5292,https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-09-11/taylor-swift-endorses-vice-president-kamala-harris-for-2024-presidential-race,210,2024-09-11 18:38:03,,1fehlsw,"Taylor Swift Brings 283 Million Fans to Razor-Thin 2024 Election
"
Stranded astronauts plan to vote in the 2024 election from space,4510,https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/stranded-astronauts-vote-space-rcna171066,382,2024-09-13 19:50:24,,1fg3r3j,"Stranded astronauts plan to vote in the 2024 election from space
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BREAKING: Pennsylvania Supreme Court rules that mail-in ballots that are undated and misdated will NOT be counted in the 2024 election.,1734,https://x.com/collinrugg/status/1834696184495222797?s=46&t=AwX37EOWy1lQm64wqhPcWw,630,2024-09-13 20:57:47,"The development, which is a huge win for Republicans, is expected to impact thousands of votes in November.

The PA Supreme Court vacated a Commonwealth Court ruling, saying they ""lacked subject matter jurisdiction to review the matter.""

""The Commonwealth Court lacked subject matter jurisdiction to review the matter given the failure to name the county boards of elections of all 67 counties,"" the court wrote.

""This is a huge win to protect the vote in Pennsylvania that will protect commonsense mail ballot safeguards and help voters cast their ballots with confidence. The Keystone State will be absolutely critical in this election, and the Supreme Court has decided a major victory for election integrity,"" RNC Chairman Michael Whatley said.",1fg5bdd,"BREAKING: Pennsylvania Supreme Court rules that mail-in ballots that are undated and misdated will NOT be counted in the 2024 election.
The development, which is a huge win for Republicans, is expected to impact thousands of votes in November.

The PA Supreme Court vacated a Commonwealth Court ruling, saying they ""lacked subject matter jurisdiction to review the matter.""

""The Commonwealth Court lacked subject matter jurisdiction to review the matter given the failure to name the county boards of elections of all 67 counties,"" the court wrote.

""This is a huge win to protect the vote in Pennsylvania that will protect commonsense mail ballot safeguards and help voters cast their ballots with confidence. The Keystone State will be absolutely critical in this election, and the Supreme Court has decided a major victory for election integrity,"" RNC Chairman Michael Whatley said."
To get a tattoo to support your favorite candidate in the 2024 election,3864,https://i.redd.it/9v0fghx3wnod1.png,685,2024-09-13 23:33:24,,1fg8qh7,"To get a tattoo to support your favorite candidate in the 2024 election
"
Half dozen House Republicans break with Trump in vow to accept 2024 election results,5773,https://www.axios.com/2024/09/14/house-republicans-trump-2024-election,298,2024-09-15 14:40:24,,1fhe1zf,"Half dozen House Republicans break with Trump in vow to accept 2024 election results
"
JD Vance admits he is willing to ‘create stories’ to get media attention | US elections 2024,4918,https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/sep/15/jd-vance-lies-haitian-immigrants,139,2024-09-15 23:02:38,,1fhptv0,"JD Vance admits he is willing to ‘create stories’ to get media attention | US elections 2024
"
"Peter Thiel: ""if the 2024 election is close, Kamala will cheat to steal it.""",3728,https://www.reddit.com/r/PBS_NewsHour/comments/1fhzz8j/peter_thiel_if_the_2024_election_is_close_kamala/,1326,2024-09-16 09:02:57,"Can we be done with these tech oligarchs already? We have Elon Musk picking fights with other countries and blasting the US with his pro-Trump nonsense, we have Peter Thiel outright saying that a close election will be ""stolen"", and so on. https://x.com/BehizyTweets/status/1835049489545281565

Some of these people have vested interests in organizations with significant government contracts, and yet they say a close election must be one that is stolen - NO THANK YOU. Those are MY TAXES. I'll be contacting my Senator/Congressmen about this. I'm not living through another Jan. 6 without doing something about it first. 

Link below for those interested. 

Congressmen: https://www.house.gov/representatives/find-your-representative

Senator: https://www.senate.gov/senators/senators-contact.htm?Class=1

I honestly don't know. Doesn't Theil have a meaningful interest in Palantir? And doesn't Palantir do a meaningful amount of business from government contracts?

""Pentagon awards $480 million deal to Palantir for 'Maven' prototype"" https://www.reuters.com/technology/palantir-wins-480-million-us-army-deal-maven-prototype-2024-05-29/

""Pentagon’s AI office awards Palantir a contract to create a data-sharing ecosystem"" https://www.nextgov.com/defense/2024/06/pentagons-ai-office-awards-palantir-contract-create-data-sharing-ecosystem/397104/

""Palantir lands $99.6 mln deal with U.S. State Department"" https://www.reuters.com/technology/palantir-lands-996-mln-deal-with-us-state-department-2023-03-08/

Novice game theory: If you’re wealthy enough and engrained within America’s welfare enough – say like a major government contractor, there’s no meaningful downside. This means you can bet AGAINST America all of the time. If your bet is bad, your downside is a great government contract. If your bet is good, you have access to the money spout. It’s all upside or major upside. So your smartest bet is always against America. And thus, Mr. Theil? 

What a gut punch. These are all within the top 5 search results for ""Palantir government contracts,"" I hope I'm really wrong. :(",1fhzz8j,"Peter Thiel: ""if the 2024 election is close, Kamala will cheat to steal it.""
Can we be done with these tech oligarchs already? We have Elon Musk picking fights with other countries and blasting the US with his pro-Trump nonsense, we have Peter Thiel outright saying that a close election will be ""stolen"", and so on. https://x.com/BehizyTweets/status/1835049489545281565

Some of these people have vested interests in organizations with significant government contracts, and yet they say a close election must be one that is stolen - NO THANK YOU. Those are MY TAXES. I'll be contacting my Senator/Congressmen about this. I'm not living through another Jan. 6 without doing something about it first. 

Link below for those interested. 

Congressmen: https://www.house.gov/representatives/find-your-representative

Senator: https://www.senate.gov/senators/senators-contact.htm?Class=1

I honestly don't know. Doesn't Theil have a meaningful interest in Palantir? And doesn't Palantir do a meaningful amount of business from government contracts?

""Pentagon awards $480 million deal to Palantir for 'Maven' prototype"" https://www.reuters.com/technology/palantir-wins-480-million-us-army-deal-maven-prototype-2024-05-29/

""Pentagon’s AI office awards Palantir a contract to create a data-sharing ecosystem"" https://www.nextgov.com/defense/2024/06/pentagons-ai-office-awards-palantir-contract-create-data-sharing-ecosystem/397104/

""Palantir lands $99.6 mln deal with U.S. State Department"" https://www.reuters.com/technology/palantir-lands-996-mln-deal-with-us-state-department-2023-03-08/

Novice game theory: If you’re wealthy enough and engrained within America’s welfare enough – say like a major government contractor, there’s no meaningful downside. This means you can bet AGAINST America all of the time. If your bet is bad, your downside is a great government contract. If your bet is good, you have access to the money spout. It’s all upside or major upside. So your smartest bet is always against America. And thus, Mr. Theil? 

What a gut punch. These are all within the top 5 search results for ""Palantir government contracts,"" I hope I'm really wrong. :("
CMV: Voting for Donald Trump in the 2024 election means you're either ill informed or actively opposed to democracy.,6279,https://www.reddit.com/r/changemyview/comments/1fi41o4/cmv_voting_for_donald_trump_in_the_2024_election/,4804,2024-09-16 13:02:20,"If you're voting for Trump in the 2024 election, it suggests that you either have a lack of understanding about what has happened over the last decade and have been subject to misinformation, or are actively against democracy. 

There is a minority of Trump-voters who would like to see another system in place than the current system of democratic values, because they think their values and ideals are more important than democracy. Those who would rather live in a tyranny or other aristocratic system, as long as their needs and values are met. 

The vast part of the republican voters does not want to get rid of democracy - nor is it in their best interest - and are just un- or misinformed about current events. Even if your opinions are generally in line with most of the things Trump stands for, and you're actively opposed to everything Harris stands for, it should not matter since one side does not adhere to democratic values and the other does. I understand that a lot of information that people in the US get is heavily colored in favour of one candidate or the other

All of this has been made especially clear since January 6th; if you support a candidate that attempted to commit a coup d'était, you want to subvert democracy, or you don't have the correct information to make an informed choice.

I'm open to discussion and reconsidering my views if presented with new insights, as ""they're all misinformed or authoritarian"" feels overly simplistic. My perspective comes from observing recent events, but I'm curious to see whether my view is shaped by the news I receive or if there’s a more nuanced explanation.

Disclaimer: I'm not from the U.S. and don't align with either the Democratic or Republican parties.",1fi41o4,"CMV: Voting for Donald Trump in the 2024 election means you're either ill informed or actively opposed to democracy.
If you're voting for Trump in the 2024 election, it suggests that you either have a lack of understanding about what has happened over the last decade and have been subject to misinformation, or are actively against democracy. 

There is a minority of Trump-voters who would like to see another system in place than the current system of democratic values, because they think their values and ideals are more important than democracy. Those who would rather live in a tyranny or other aristocratic system, as long as their needs and values are met. 

The vast part of the republican voters does not want to get rid of democracy - nor is it in their best interest - and are just un- or misinformed about current events. Even if your opinions are generally in line with most of the things Trump stands for, and you're actively opposed to everything Harris stands for, it should not matter since one side does not adhere to democratic values and the other does. I understand that a lot of information that people in the US get is heavily colored in favour of one candidate or the other

All of this has been made especially clear since January 6th; if you support a candidate that attempted to commit a coup d'était, you want to subvert democracy, or you don't have the correct information to make an informed choice.

I'm open to discussion and reconsidering my views if presented with new insights, as ""they're all misinformed or authoritarian"" feels overly simplistic. My perspective comes from observing recent events, but I'm curious to see whether my view is shaped by the news I receive or if there’s a more nuanced explanation.

Disclaimer: I'm not from the U.S. and don't align with either the Democratic or Republican parties."
"If Harris wins the 2024 US Presidential Election, what happens to Project 2025?",1161,https://www.reddit.com/r/atheism/comments/1flu849/if_harris_wins_the_2024_us_presidential_election/,778,2024-09-21 03:42:24,"So much of Project 2025 relies on another Trump presidency that it makes me wonder what happens to it if (or hopefully when) he loses. If Harris wins, would it just be pushed out another four to eight years, depending on a potential second term for Harris? Is Trump the only one that could make it happen if he were elected or could a future republican serve the same purpose? Could it and it's creators come under investigation and be levied fines or punishment if not entirely dismantled?",1flu849,"If Harris wins the 2024 US Presidential Election, what happens to Project 2025?
So much of Project 2025 relies on another Trump presidency that it makes me wonder what happens to it if (or hopefully when) he loses. If Harris wins, would it just be pushed out another four to eight years, depending on a potential second term for Harris? Is Trump the only one that could make it happen if he were elected or could a future republican serve the same purpose? Could it and it's creators come under investigation and be levied fines or punishment if not entirely dismantled?"
Why is the 2024 election so much closer than 2020?,547,https://www.reddit.com/r/PoliticalDiscussion/comments/1fohvca/why_is_the_2024_election_so_much_closer_than_2020/,656,2024-09-24 17:16:48,"In 2020 I didn't pay much attention to the election; I was stressed about it so I did my part as a citizen and voted, but at no point was I invested in checking the polls or watching the debates or keeping up in general.

I was looking today at some of the historical polling from 2020 and it seems like at every point leading up to the election, it was pretty much a given that Biden had it in the bag.

Why now, even with Kamala leading the helm, does it seem like things are so much closer than they were four years ago? I'm 28, and in my entire memory, I've never seen the people around me so excited to vote. Hell, even my Mississippi parents are THRILLED to vote for Kamala. Why isn't that energy reflecting in the numbers?",1fohvca,"Why is the 2024 election so much closer than 2020?
In 2020 I didn't pay much attention to the election; I was stressed about it so I did my part as a citizen and voted, but at no point was I invested in checking the polls or watching the debates or keeping up in general.

I was looking today at some of the historical polling from 2020 and it seems like at every point leading up to the election, it was pretty much a given that Biden had it in the bag.

Why now, even with Kamala leading the helm, does it seem like things are so much closer than they were four years ago? I'm 28, and in my entire memory, I've never seen the people around me so excited to vote. Hell, even my Mississippi parents are THRILLED to vote for Kamala. Why isn't that energy reflecting in the numbers?"
Why is the 2024 Presidential Election so close?,63,https://www.reddit.com/r/AskALiberal/comments/1fp9ery/why_is_the_2024_presidential_election_so_close/,187,2024-09-25 16:57:54,"Biden defeated Trump four years ago. But somehow now there’s a ~50% chance Trump comes back. How did this happen?

Away from the idea that this is incredibly rare in US politics, the Biden administration was supposed to be a “return to normalcy” after Trump. And it seemed like 2020 was a referendum on Trump which booted him out. Today, Kamala maintains a narrow lead over Trump, but if the polls are as off as they were in 2020, Trump wins decisively 

",1fp9ery,"Why is the 2024 Presidential Election so close?
Biden defeated Trump four years ago. But somehow now there’s a ~50% chance Trump comes back. How did this happen?

Away from the idea that this is incredibly rare in US politics, the Biden administration was supposed to be a “return to normalcy” after Trump. And it seemed like 2020 was a referendum on Trump which booted him out. Today, Kamala maintains a narrow lead over Trump, but if the polls are as off as they were in 2020, Trump wins decisively 

"
Mueller investigator says Russia interfered in 2016 -- and in the 2024 election too,5923,https://www.npr.org/2024/09/24/g-s1-24189/mueller-investigator-says-russia-interfered-in-2016-and-in-the-2024-election-too,127,2024-09-30 10:37:02,,1fssf07,"Mueller investigator says Russia interfered in 2016 -- and in the 2024 election too
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CMV: Kamala Harris is going to lose the 2024 election,0,https://www.reddit.com/r/changemyview/comments/1ft325t/cmv_kamala_harris_is_going_to_lose_the_2024/,234,2024-09-30 18:40:34,"Earlier this year [I made a post](https://www.reddit.com/r/changemyview/comments/18eg1a4/cmv_trump_is_going_to_win_in_2024/) to this same effect, but that was under the assumption that Joe Biden would remain the Presidential candidate. Needless to say, the fact that he withdrew from the race confirmed my belief that he was a weak candidate and would have lost against Donald Trump. And for a while-- up until early September-- I saw Kamala Harris as a much stronger candidate with a better chance of winning than Biden ever had. However, I now have extreme doubts that Harris is going to win, for a number of reasons listed below.

1.  Despite being allegedly more popular than Biden, Harris is polling within the margin of error of Biden in all of the swing states. Even a small polling error, which there is almost certain to be, would put Trump over the edge enough to win.
2. Harris is losing support compared to Biden in ""sun belt"" states such as Arizona and Georgia, meaning that any victory she does achieve would be much narrower than Biden's, with fewer backup options.
3. There are rumors of an upcoming Israeli offensive in Lebanon in the coming weeks, and if that happens, it could cause American public opinion to swing strongly against the Biden administration, and by extension Harris. 
4. The leader of a dock-worker's union in New York has announced his intention to go on strike in October, potentially sending the American economy into a tailspin and once again damaging the Biden administration's image at a crucial time. ",1ft325t,"CMV: Kamala Harris is going to lose the 2024 election
Earlier this year [I made a post](https://www.reddit.com/r/changemyview/comments/18eg1a4/cmv_trump_is_going_to_win_in_2024/) to this same effect, but that was under the assumption that Joe Biden would remain the Presidential candidate. Needless to say, the fact that he withdrew from the race confirmed my belief that he was a weak candidate and would have lost against Donald Trump. And for a while-- up until early September-- I saw Kamala Harris as a much stronger candidate with a better chance of winning than Biden ever had. However, I now have extreme doubts that Harris is going to win, for a number of reasons listed below.

1.  Despite being allegedly more popular than Biden, Harris is polling within the margin of error of Biden in all of the swing states. Even a small polling error, which there is almost certain to be, would put Trump over the edge enough to win.
2. Harris is losing support compared to Biden in ""sun belt"" states such as Arizona and Georgia, meaning that any victory she does achieve would be much narrower than Biden's, with fewer backup options.
3. There are rumors of an upcoming Israeli offensive in Lebanon in the coming weeks, and if that happens, it could cause American public opinion to swing strongly against the Biden administration, and by extension Harris. 
4. The leader of a dock-worker's union in New York has announced his intention to go on strike in October, potentially sending the American economy into a tailspin and once again damaging the Biden administration's image at a crucial time. "
Trump demands 'equal opportunity' to answer Jack Smith's immunity brief — after 2024 election,3389,https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/enormous-undertaking-trump-lawyers-demand-equal-opportunity-to-fire-back-at-jack-smiths-massive-immunity-brief-but-not-before-the-election-has-come-and-gone/,352,2024-10-03 16:02:42,,1fvbagc,"Trump demands 'equal opportunity' to answer Jack Smith's immunity brief — after 2024 election
"
This might be the dumbest reason I have EVER heard of in the 2024 election season for voting for former president and current candidate Donald Trump....,3002,https://i.redd.it/bxrqimq39xsd1.jpeg,180,2024-10-05 11:20:25,,1fwo4vw,"This might be the dumbest reason I have EVER heard of in the 2024 election season for voting for former president and current candidate Donald Trump....
"
"You woke up in November 2024 and saw these election results, what are your thoughts?",1038,https://i.redd.it/vll189sqp7td1.png,1740,2024-10-06 22:30:08,,1fxsr4k,"You woke up in November 2024 and saw these election results, what are your thoughts?
"
The 2024 US election if states with recreational weed voted blue and everyone else voted red,4340,https://i.redd.it/3cro3dh7mftd1.jpeg,191,2024-10-08 01:03:46,,1fynu1d,"The 2024 US election if states with recreational weed voted blue and everyone else voted red
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Democrats in Pa. approach 2024 election with slimmest voter registration advantage in decades,1611,https://www.spotlightpa.org/news/2024/09/pennsylvania-voter-registration-2024-election-democrat-republican-independent-harris-trump/,436,2024-10-12 23:31:14,,1g2cpwh,"Democrats in Pa. approach 2024 election with slimmest voter registration advantage in decades
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I would absolutely love for this moment to go down in history as the moment Donald Trump lost the 2024 election.,5575,https://i.redd.it/3f1cnpw7pwud1.jpeg,515,2024-10-15 11:35:04,There's plenty of other reasons. But just the thought of opening the history books and seeing this would be priceless. ,1g45j1t,"I would absolutely love for this moment to go down in history as the moment Donald Trump lost the 2024 election.
There's plenty of other reasons. But just the thought of opening the history books and seeing this would be priceless. "
"Kamala Harris agrees that Donald Trump is a fascist: ‘Yes, we can say that’ | US elections 2024",8119,https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/oct/16/kamala-harris-trump-fascist-charlamagne-tha-god,318,2024-10-16 17:42:10,,1g55bap,"Kamala Harris agrees that Donald Trump is a fascist: ‘Yes, we can say that’ | US elections 2024
"
Election Subversion 2024: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO),3799,https://youtu.be/CkK3W0lOKcc?si=cVk7kfnSwBdyipvZ,296,2024-10-17 11:00:53,,1g5o8cc,"Election Subversion 2024: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO)
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"Trump's legal team tried to keep Stormy Daniels quiet ahead of 2024 election, MSNBC reports",5383,https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/trumps-legal-team-tried-keep-stormy-daniels-quiet-ahead-2024-election-rcna175828,154,2024-10-17 12:46:21,,1g5q15r,"Trump's legal team tried to keep Stormy Daniels quiet ahead of 2024 election, MSNBC reports
"
Trump pleads with judge to stop Jan. 6 evidence from coming out before 2024 election,13714,https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/the-public-has-been-poisoned-trump-tries-one-more-time-to-stop-jack-smiths-jan-6-evidence-from-coming-out-ahead-of-2024-election/,838,2024-10-17 14:51:51,,1g5splw,"Trump pleads with judge to stop Jan. 6 evidence from coming out before 2024 election
"
‘The public has been poisoned’: Trump tries one more time to stop Jack Smith’s Jan. 6 evidence from coming out ahead of 2024 election,4225,https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/the-public-has-been-poisoned-trump-tries-one-more-time-to-stop-jack-smiths-jan-6-evidence-from-coming-out-ahead-of-2024-election/,199,2024-10-17 15:03:51,,1g5szua,"‘The public has been poisoned’: Trump tries one more time to stop Jack Smith’s Jan. 6 evidence from coming out ahead of 2024 election
"
Texas Newspaper Endorsements for the 2024 election (Early voting begins 10/21),4139,https://i.redd.it/gy9mgvuw2yvd1.png,304,2024-10-20 17:19:21,,1g83tlx,"Texas Newspaper Endorsements for the 2024 election (Early voting begins 10/21)
"
I want to emigrate to Russia if Harris wins the 2024 election.,5078,https://i.redd.it/cgvo2gy0y6wd1.png,757,2024-10-21 23:06:59,,1g93l83,"I want to emigrate to Russia if Harris wins the 2024 election.
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One day into early voting and they are already claiming the 2024 election is rigged.,25522,https://i.redd.it/28eac2xb4bwd1.jpeg,4686,2024-10-22 13:08:51,"Misinformation campaign has begun. 
  
Trump has stated multiple times he won’t accept the results if he loses, MTG started complaining about voting machines three days ago and twitter is full of people now claiming that the voting machines are flipping their votes from Trump to Kamala in Texas.  
  
Infowars and other websites like it are pushing this same misinformation, sadly a lot of conservatives believe these reports are real and no amount of evidence will convince them otherwise.",1g9hq4j,"One day into early voting and they are already claiming the 2024 election is rigged.
Misinformation campaign has begun. 
  
Trump has stated multiple times he won’t accept the results if he loses, MTG started complaining about voting machines three days ago and twitter is full of people now claiming that the voting machines are flipping their votes from Trump to Kamala in Texas.  
  
Infowars and other websites like it are pushing this same misinformation, sadly a lot of conservatives believe these reports are real and no amount of evidence will convince them otherwise."
What are you the most worried about happening if Donald Trump wins the 2024 Election?,977,https://www.reddit.com/r/QAnonCasualties/comments/1g9vri8/what_are_you_the_most_worried_about_happening_if/,791,2024-10-22 23:04:22,"There a lot of terrible things that will go down if Trump wins the upcoming election like Banning abortion nationwide, Pardoning all the January 6th Rioters, appoint two new conservative justices to replace Clarance Thomas and Samual Alito and Repealing the constitution. Which action are you the most worried about happening?",1g9vri8,"What are you the most worried about happening if Donald Trump wins the 2024 Election?
There a lot of terrible things that will go down if Trump wins the upcoming election like Banning abortion nationwide, Pardoning all the January 6th Rioters, appoint two new conservative justices to replace Clarance Thomas and Samual Alito and Repealing the constitution. Which action are you the most worried about happening?"
'This election is different': Bill Gates leaps into 2024 race with massive donation,4680,https://www.rawstory.com/bill-gates-2669458814/,242,2024-10-23 01:22:43,,1g9ymm8,"'This election is different': Bill Gates leaps into 2024 race with massive donation
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I Don’t Trust the Supreme Court With the 2024 Election,10011,https://newrepublic.com/article/187402/dont-trust-supreme-court-2024,363,2024-10-23 16:41:17,,1gaf40x,"I Don’t Trust the Supreme Court With the 2024 Election
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Michelle Obama votes by mail in Election 2024,67798,https://i.redd.it/tzs1yexiorwd1.jpeg,4848,2024-10-24 20:52:08,,1gbd2t9,"Michelle Obama votes by mail in Election 2024
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Presidential predictor Allan Lichtman stands by call that Harris will win 2024 election ,20072,https://www.fox5dc.com/news/presidential-predictor-allan-lichtman-stands-call-harris-will-win-2024-election.amp,1953,2024-10-28 18:50:47,,1ge9woo,"Presidential predictor Allan Lichtman stands by call that Harris will win 2024 election 
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Selena Gomez has cast her vote for the 2024 election before attending the ‘Wizards Beyond Waverly Place’ premiere. ,14935,https://i.redd.it/tsm9y960ilxd1.jpeg,227,2024-10-29 01:07:27,,1geimze,"Selena Gomez has cast her vote for the 2024 election before attending the ‘Wizards Beyond Waverly Place’ premiere. 
"
"In the 2024 Election, the Green Party Is Not the Green Choice",7037,https://www.commondreams.org/opinion/don-t-vote-green-in-2024,772,2024-10-30 12:58:25,,1gflwc2,"In the 2024 Election, the Green Party Is Not the Green Choice
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"Susan B. Anthony, Rochester, N.Y., October 30, 2024. Don't worry, both her and her sister Mary S. Anthony's stone one over are encased in plexiglass during elections for this reason.",16059,https://i.redd.it/h9uz8shem1yd1.jpeg,326,2024-10-31 07:20:46,,1gg8u4v,"Susan B. Anthony, Rochester, N.Y., October 30, 2024. Don't worry, both her and her sister Mary S. Anthony's stone one over are encased in plexiglass during elections for this reason.
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Not here to debate…..but I am very stressed about the 2024 election and how it could affect my next pregnancy…,1202,https://www.reddit.com/r/Mommit/comments/1ggd1kz/not_here_to_debatebut_i_am_very_stressed_about/,847,2024-10-31 12:15:00,"It’s so utterly insane that this is even a worry in a massive country like the US. In a perfect world I’m planning to be having my second baby sometime between 2026-2027. However, if a national abortion ban takes place I am not risking my life and risking my son growing up without his mother. I am not here to debate, just here to vent that it’s ridiculous that if Trump wins and does do a federal abortion ban, it could possibly make it so my son is an only child. I know I am beyond lucky to have my son, but I really wanted him to have a sibling. 

Overall, it’s just very ridiculous that this is even a possibility. Anyone else feel the same or worry the same?

EDIT: I clearly stated that I am not debating. I am also minding my own business and not spreading hate. I am creating a space for women who are scared or worried about this topic. If you do not fit that category this post isn’t for you. If you do want to debate then I am sure there is a political Reddit page for that. The fact you can’t just give us this space speaks volumes to your character. ",1ggd1kz,"Not here to debate…..but I am very stressed about the 2024 election and how it could affect my next pregnancy…
It’s so utterly insane that this is even a worry in a massive country like the US. In a perfect world I’m planning to be having my second baby sometime between 2026-2027. However, if a national abortion ban takes place I am not risking my life and risking my son growing up without his mother. I am not here to debate, just here to vent that it’s ridiculous that if Trump wins and does do a federal abortion ban, it could possibly make it so my son is an only child. I know I am beyond lucky to have my son, but I really wanted him to have a sibling. 

Overall, it’s just very ridiculous that this is even a possibility. Anyone else feel the same or worry the same?

EDIT: I clearly stated that I am not debating. I am also minding my own business and not spreading hate. I am creating a space for women who are scared or worried about this topic. If you do not fit that category this post isn’t for you. If you do want to debate then I am sure there is a political Reddit page for that. The fact you can’t just give us this space speaks volumes to your character. "
Rigged election 2024 ,3177,https://i.redd.it/z8igxv2l07yd1.jpeg,672,2024-11-01 01:29:00,,1ggufrx,"Rigged election 2024 
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Is the 2024 U.S election actually as important as both sides are saying?,1483,https://www.reddit.com/r/Askpolitics/comments/1gh0spc/is_the_2024_us_election_actually_as_important_as/,3984,2024-11-01 08:38:43,"I'm English so I don't know much about America nor it's politics but i've seen so much hype around the election this year compared to any other, both sides acting like this is the most important election ever and that if their side doesn't win it would be a travesty for America.

Is the hype and/or importance around this election real or is it always like this in the upcoming months to the election?",1gh0spc,"Is the 2024 U.S election actually as important as both sides are saying?
I'm English so I don't know much about America nor it's politics but i've seen so much hype around the election this year compared to any other, both sides acting like this is the most important election ever and that if their side doesn't win it would be a travesty for America.

Is the hype and/or importance around this election real or is it always like this in the upcoming months to the election?"
How BG3 Characters would vote in the 2024 United States Presidential Election,1817,https://i.redd.it/4rwh5un6vbyd1.jpeg,336,2024-11-01 17:47:39,,1ghbdb6,"How BG3 Characters would vote in the 2024 United States Presidential Election
"
Harrison Ford Endorses Kamala Harris-Tim Walz Days Before 2024 Election,14628,https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/politics-news/harrison-ford-endorses-kamala-harris-tim-walz-1236052230/,477,2024-11-02 19:29:24,,1gi4b0r,"Harrison Ford Endorses Kamala Harris-Tim Walz Days Before 2024 Election
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2024 Pre-Election Cold Open - SNL,24812,https://youtu.be/e6Funs6yyEw?si=xCQ71bZOcevM6Pqq,1891,2024-11-03 04:24:05,,1giezq3,"2024 Pre-Election Cold Open - SNL
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Election 2024: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO),4076,https://youtu.be/tWZAbKU-JzE?si=TV7upJs_GGWPtYkB,419,2024-11-04 07:31:50,,1gj8vqk,"Election 2024: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO)
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How would Europeans vote in the 2024 U.S. presidential election if they had a chance?,30635,https://i.redd.it/bbjrqavj4xyd1.png,6376,2024-11-04 17:17:33,,1gjjmjt,"How would Europeans vote in the 2024 U.S. presidential election if they had a chance?
"
[Megathread] 2024 USA Elections,778,https://www.reddit.com/r/neoliberal/comments/1gk63he/megathread_2024_usa_elections/,14585,2024-11-05 13:00:01,"Welcome to the endgame everyone! Today’s the day America chooses its numerous state and local level leaders, the entire House of Representatives, a third of its Senate, and the President of the United States.

Not much of a flavor text up here since everyone has probably figured out what’s going on by now. If you’d like something added please ping myself or another mod.

If you’re new to r/neoliberal, please see our sidebar for policies that are important to us. These include but are not limited to free trade, open borders, trans rights, and the wide distribution of taco trucks.

Please use this thread for discussing the election during the day. This may range from serious takes to stupid memes. At 1800 EST (10 hours from this post) we will post a Thunderdome for Election Night. God bless the shitposters, and god bless the United States of America! 🫡🇺🇸",1gk63he,"[Megathread] 2024 USA Elections
Welcome to the endgame everyone! Today’s the day America chooses its numerous state and local level leaders, the entire House of Representatives, a third of its Senate, and the President of the United States.

Not much of a flavor text up here since everyone has probably figured out what’s going on by now. If you’d like something added please ping myself or another mod.

If you’re new to r/neoliberal, please see our sidebar for policies that are important to us. These include but are not limited to free trade, open borders, trans rights, and the wide distribution of taco trucks.

Please use this thread for discussing the election during the day. This may range from serious takes to stupid memes. At 1800 EST (10 hours from this post) we will post a Thunderdome for Election Night. God bless the shitposters, and god bless the United States of America! 🫡🇺🇸"
Jimmy Kimmel Makes “Closing Argument” Ahead of 2024 Election: “Imagine a World in Which No One Says ‘Donald’ or ‘Trump'”,11879,https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/politics-news/jimmy-kimmel-election-2024-closing-argument-move-on-trump-1236053856/,422,2024-11-05 15:13:21,,1gk8xwn,"Jimmy Kimmel Makes “Closing Argument” Ahead of 2024 Election: “Imagine a World in Which No One Says ‘Donald’ or ‘Trump'”
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"Metaphor ReFantazio, but it's set in November 2024 elections 😂",3057,https://i.redd.it/ynvo51aze4zd1.png,150,2024-11-05 17:48:35,,1gkcmhp,"Metaphor ReFantazio, but it's set in November 2024 elections 😂
"
"/r/Politics' 2024 US Elections Live Thread, Part 59",818,https://www.reddit.com/live/1db9knzhqzdfp/,37307,2024-11-05 19:03:12,,1gkefi6,"/r/Politics' 2024 US Elections Live Thread, Part 59
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2024 Presidential Election Results Megathread,553,https://www.reddit.com/r/PoliticalDiscussion/comments/1gkj668/2024_presidential_election_results_megathread/,7665,2024-11-05 22:24:33,"Well friends, the polls are beginning to close.

Please use this thread to discuss all news related to the presidential election. To discuss Congressional, gubernatorial, state-level races and ballot measures, check out our other Megathread.

The Discord moderators have set up a channel for discussing the election. Follow the link on the sidebar for Discord access!

If you are somehow both a) on the internet and b) struggling to find election coverage, check out:

[NYTimes](https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/11/05/us/trump-harris-election)

[WaPo](https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/11/05/us/trump-harris-election)

[WSJ](https://www.wsj.com/election/2024/general)

Please keep subreddit rules in mind when commenting here; this is not a carbon copy of the megathread from other subreddits also discussing the election. Our low investment rules are slightly relaxed but we have a million of you reprobates to moderate.

We know emotions are running high as election day approaches, and you may want to express yourself negatively toward others. This is not the subreddit for that. Our civility rules will be strictly enforced here. Bans will be issued without warning if you are not kind to one another.",1gkj668,"2024 Presidential Election Results Megathread
Well friends, the polls are beginning to close.

Please use this thread to discuss all news related to the presidential election. To discuss Congressional, gubernatorial, state-level races and ballot measures, check out our other Megathread.

The Discord moderators have set up a channel for discussing the election. Follow the link on the sidebar for Discord access!

If you are somehow both a) on the internet and b) struggling to find election coverage, check out:

[NYTimes](https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/11/05/us/trump-harris-election)

[WaPo](https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/11/05/us/trump-harris-election)

[WSJ](https://www.wsj.com/election/2024/general)

Please keep subreddit rules in mind when commenting here; this is not a carbon copy of the megathread from other subreddits also discussing the election. Our low investment rules are slightly relaxed but we have a million of you reprobates to moderate.

We know emotions are running high as election day approaches, and you may want to express yourself negatively toward others. This is not the subreddit for that. Our civility rules will be strictly enforced here. Bans will be issued without warning if you are not kind to one another."
2024 Presidential Election Live Thread,1426,https://www.reddit.com/live/1dz4fdkz1m8h3,29217,2024-11-05 22:57:23,,1gkjwkx,"2024 Presidential Election Live Thread
"
⚡️⚡️⚡️⚡️⚡️ 2024 US ELECTION THUNDERDOME⚡️⚡️⚡️⚡️⚡️,3707,https://www.reddit.com/r/neoliberal/comments/1gkjymq/2024_us_election_thunderdome/,56786,2024-11-05 23:00:02,"NO: MODS/GODS

YES: SHITPOSTS/RESULTS/COCONUTS

WELCOME TO THE DOME, SHITLIBS",1gkjymq,"⚡️⚡️⚡️⚡️⚡️ 2024 US ELECTION THUNDERDOME⚡️⚡️⚡️⚡️⚡️
NO: MODS/GODS

YES: SHITPOSTS/RESULTS/COCONUTS

WELCOME TO THE DOME, SHITLIBS"
"/r/Politics' 2024 US Elections Live Thread, Part 60",5214,https://www.reddit.com/live/1db9knzhqzdfp/,60386,2024-11-06 00:41:41,,1gkm4g5,"/r/Politics' 2024 US Elections Live Thread, Part 60
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2024 US Presidential Election,5188,https://i.redd.it/szxsvlchj6zd1.jpeg,193,2024-11-06 00:58:24,,1gkmgbe,"2024 US Presidential Election
"
2024 Presidential election Mega tread. Please do not post outside of this thread. ,777,https://www.reddit.com/r/GenZ/comments/1gknccb/2024_presidential_election_mega_tread_please_do/,8446,2024-11-06 01:45:17,"Remember guys be respectful, and follow the rules

No personal personal attacks, or threats


Please respect the candidate that other users voted for no one should be personally attacked for their decision.


If you don’t like ones political views just down vote and move on.


This thread will be heavily moderated, and any user responsible for breaking the rules may find themselves banned. ",1gknccb,"2024 Presidential election Mega tread. Please do not post outside of this thread. 
Remember guys be respectful, and follow the rules

No personal personal attacks, or threats


Please respect the candidate that other users voted for no one should be personally attacked for their decision.


If you don’t like ones political views just down vote and move on.


This thread will be heavily moderated, and any user responsible for breaking the rules may find themselves banned. "
"/r/Politics' 2024 US Elections Live Thread, Part 61",620,https://www.reddit.com/live/1db9knzhqzdfp/,34012,2024-11-06 02:22:18,,1gko0tw,"/r/Politics' 2024 US Elections Live Thread, Part 61
"
"/r/Politics' 2024 US Elections Live Thread, Part 62",5034,https://www.reddit.com/live/1db9knzhqzdfp/,83067,2024-11-06 03:33:33,,1gkpa96,"/r/Politics' 2024 US Elections Live Thread, Part 62
"
"Trump wins Georgia, holding a key swing state over Harris in 2024 election",810,https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna173811,801,2024-11-06 06:04:06,,1gkrpu3,"Trump wins Georgia, holding a key swing state over Harris in 2024 election
"
"/r/Politics' 2024 US Elections Live Thread, Part 63",867,https://www.reddit.com/live/1db9knzhqzdfp/,37173,2024-11-06 06:11:26,,1gkrtsn,"/r/Politics' 2024 US Elections Live Thread, Part 63
"
Donald J. Trump has Won the 2024 Presidential Election,821,https://i.redd.it/18i6djtzc8zd1.jpeg,835,2024-11-06 07:04:28,,1gksmzg,"Donald J. Trump has Won the 2024 Presidential Election
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"2024 US election: World leaders congratulate Trump, Macron says 'ready to work together'",3182,https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2024/11/06/2024-us-election-world-leaders-congratulate-trump_6731774_4.html,671,2024-11-06 09:22:04,,1gkukae,"2024 US election: World leaders congratulate Trump, Macron says 'ready to work together'
"
Trump projected to win the 2024 US elections,3155,https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/1gkuw3c/trump_projected_to_win_the_2024_us_elections/,2530,2024-11-06 09:46:15,"#Update: Trump confirmed to have won the 2024 US elections

[Trump surpasses the 270 electoral votes required for victory](https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/11/05/us/elections/results-president.html)



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[BBC: Donald Trump declares 'magnificent victory' in speech to jubilant supporters](https://www.bbc.com/news/live/czxrnw5qrprt)

[CNN: Trump poised to clinch presidency after battleground wins](https://edition.cnn.com/politics/live-news/election-trump-harris-11-06-24/index.html)

  
[Fox News projects Donald Trump defeats Kamala Harris to become 47th president of the United States](https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fox-news-projects-donald-trump-defeats-kamala-harris-become-47th-president-united-states)

  
Please keep all US elections related discussions to this thread only. All other threads will be removed as off-topic to r/europe 

  
Reminder that the rules apply here. Death threats, xenophobia etc will result in a ban.",1gkuw3c,"Trump projected to win the 2024 US elections
#Update: Trump confirmed to have won the 2024 US elections

[Trump surpasses the 270 electoral votes required for victory](https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/11/05/us/elections/results-president.html)



--------------------


[BBC: Donald Trump declares 'magnificent victory' in speech to jubilant supporters](https://www.bbc.com/news/live/czxrnw5qrprt)

[CNN: Trump poised to clinch presidency after battleground wins](https://edition.cnn.com/politics/live-news/election-trump-harris-11-06-24/index.html)

  
[Fox News projects Donald Trump defeats Kamala Harris to become 47th president of the United States](https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fox-news-projects-donald-trump-defeats-kamala-harris-become-47th-president-united-states)

  
Please keep all US elections related discussions to this thread only. All other threads will be removed as off-topic to r/europe 

  
Reminder that the rules apply here. Death threats, xenophobia etc will result in a ban."
Donald Trump has won the 2024 election. Here's what's next on 2 key economic issues.,2292,https://finance.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-has-won-the-2024-election-heres-whats-next-on-2-key-economic-issues-103752428.html,879,2024-11-06 10:44:37,,1gkvojk,"Donald Trump has won the 2024 election. Here's what's next on 2 key economic issues.
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"2024 elections are over, new rule for the subreddit",1020,https://www.reddit.com/r/MurderedByWords/comments/1gkvp1l/2024_elections_are_over_new_rule_for_the_subreddit/,600,2024-11-06 10:45:42,"For better or for worse, the 2024 US elections are over, and a winner has been called.

We get it, tensions are flaring and tempers are running high - this has probably been the most polarizing election in the history of the United States. Speaking for myself as a non-American not living in the US, I could merely stand aside and let you, the users, make your feelings known. 

Now that the elections are over, we're going to make some slight changes in order to keep things more civil around here:

1) For the moment political posts will still be allowed, unless and until the moderation team reaches the conclusion that they are doing more harm than good to this subreddit and community  
2) We're going to massively crack down on user behavior - up until now we've tried to remain more light-handed, removing bad comments but only banning users for egregious behavior, calls for violence, racism, sexism, trans/homophobia and the like. 

**From now on, we're going to extend the banning to uncivil behavior as well.** 

The first rule should always be to remember the person behind the keyboard. Users commenting with words such as retard, cuck and the like (and their derivatives like libtard and Trumptard) will receive immediate, permanent bans. Calling people slurs will be the same. Any uncivil behavior will earn the user a ban from this subreddit. Please note that this goes for users ON BOTH SIDES of the political aisle. If you can't be civil in your conversations, you are not wanted here.

Yes, this subreddit is titled ""Murdered by Words"", but there's no reason not to be civil. To do this, we need your assistance in reporting users and comments, since automoderator can only do so much - every comment you report will help us keep this sub civil.

If you have a problem with this, feel free to unsubscribe",1gkvp1l,"2024 elections are over, new rule for the subreddit
For better or for worse, the 2024 US elections are over, and a winner has been called.

We get it, tensions are flaring and tempers are running high - this has probably been the most polarizing election in the history of the United States. Speaking for myself as a non-American not living in the US, I could merely stand aside and let you, the users, make your feelings known. 

Now that the elections are over, we're going to make some slight changes in order to keep things more civil around here:

1) For the moment political posts will still be allowed, unless and until the moderation team reaches the conclusion that they are doing more harm than good to this subreddit and community  
2) We're going to massively crack down on user behavior - up until now we've tried to remain more light-handed, removing bad comments but only banning users for egregious behavior, calls for violence, racism, sexism, trans/homophobia and the like. 

**From now on, we're going to extend the banning to uncivil behavior as well.** 

The first rule should always be to remember the person behind the keyboard. Users commenting with words such as retard, cuck and the like (and their derivatives like libtard and Trumptard) will receive immediate, permanent bans. Calling people slurs will be the same. Any uncivil behavior will earn the user a ban from this subreddit. Please note that this goes for users ON BOTH SIDES of the political aisle. If you can't be civil in your conversations, you are not wanted here.

Yes, this subreddit is titled ""Murdered by Words"", but there's no reason not to be civil. To do this, we need your assistance in reporting users and comments, since automoderator can only do so much - every comment you report will help us keep this sub civil.

If you have a problem with this, feel free to unsubscribe"
Donald Trump has officially won the 2024 United States Presidential Election.,8481,https://i.redd.it/0k1td7k5i9zd1.jpeg,1656,2024-11-06 10:55:10,Good luck everyone.,1gkvtsa,"Donald Trump has officially won the 2024 United States Presidential Election.
Good luck everyone."
World reacts to 2024 presidential election results,1230,https://abcnews.go.com/International/world-reacts-2024-presidential-election-results/story?id=115553492,654,2024-11-06 11:15:47,,1gkw54m,"World reacts to 2024 presidential election results
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US election 2024 live: Donald Trump defeats Kamala Harris to win historic second term as president,1767,https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2024/nov/06/us-presidential-election-2024-donald-trump-kamala-harris-latest-news-updates,962,2024-11-06 11:19:26,"Beyond the incoming disaster south of our border, I hope this is a wake up call for all of us. Americans are not some unique people specially suited to re-elect fascism. The forces and tactics that got him back in office will be acting here as well, and Canada is just as vulnerable to them.",1gkw71u,"US election 2024 live: Donald Trump defeats Kamala Harris to win historic second term as president
Beyond the incoming disaster south of our border, I hope this is a wake up call for all of us. Americans are not some unique people specially suited to re-elect fascism. The forces and tactics that got him back in office will be acting here as well, and Canada is just as vulnerable to them."
Trump didn't gain any new voters in the aggregate. This election was a failure of the Democrats to turn out their base. (2020 results vs. 2024 results),2528,https://i.redd.it/hfhskc3fo9zd1.png,779,2024-11-06 11:30:43,,1gkwdeo,"Trump didn't gain any new voters in the aggregate. This election was a failure of the Democrats to turn out their base. (2020 results vs. 2024 results)
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2024 presidential election marks closest New York has come to turning red in 30 years as Trump support surges in NYC,900,https://nypost.com/2024/11/06/us-news/2024-presidential-election-marks-closest-new-york-has-come-to-turning-red-in-30-years-as-trump-support-surges-in-nyc/,770,2024-11-06 13:07:35,,1gky2o3,"2024 presidential election marks closest New York has come to turning red in 30 years as Trump support surges in NYC
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"Entertainment world reacts to Donald Trump's 2024 US election win: ""We are all totally fucked""",1777,https://www.nme.com/news/music/donald-trump-on-cusp-of-us-election-victory-entertainment-world-reacts-3809992,271,2024-11-06 16:11:50,,1gl23cf,"Entertainment world reacts to Donald Trump's 2024 US election win: ""We are all totally fucked""
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