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+kgcq458,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"Trump attempted to remove Biden as the duly elected President of the United States on Jan 6.   Got his own supporters killed and many hurt. 
+
+That's why Illinois voters are doing what they're doing.",1654,2024-01-04 23:26:58
+kgcodj4,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"Thank you Illinois voters who respect the Constitution, the rule of law and make efforts to enforce it against this brazen insurrectionist.",527,2024-01-04 23:16:16
+kgcm5dk,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,So when does the Supreme Court chime in on this? It’s quite apparent that if Colorado stands Trump is gone.,415,2024-01-04 23:02:41
+kgd4ucp,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"You don't get it! Trump didn't tell anyone to go to the Capitol and start an insurrection, he merely told his supporters to ""stand by and stand ready"" then tweeted ""calling all patriots to DC on January 6th!"" And ""be there, it will be wild!"". He was quite obviously talking about the sub shop down the road that was having a BOGO promotion. Antifa was there too!!!
+
+/S",385,2024-01-05 00:58:56
+kgcucq9,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"Hopefully they wait until after the GOP primaries, where Trump will be declared the Republican nominee.  Then, Republicans will have to scramble to inform their base that they should vote for Nimrata Hailey.",271,2024-01-04 23:53:26
+kgd63wz,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot," Its this unironically all day on repeat and will be for weeks. That and:
+
+
+""No one there was armed"": lies, many were
+
+""No one there did it because trump wanted them to"" : lies, there are hundreds of videos of people doing it expressly because of their devotion to trump
+
+""Trump didnt ask anyone to do anything"" : lies, he expressly told them what to do, to march down to the capitol building and 'stop the steal'.
+
+""He said be peaceful"" : once, after saying to fight like hell and other violent rhetoric, after YEARS of violent rhetoric. When his followers started the violence, he waited hours to say anything to make it stop. When he did, he told them how much he loved and approved of them.
+
+This is how fascism operates. Its not about size of government. Its about the plausible deniability of their violent intentions right before striking.",265,2024-01-05 01:06:57
+kgcuk89,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,Trump along with “Trumpism (White Christofascism)” won’t go away even when he’s dead. We need some real big changes in education and a real detachment of religion from the state. There’s an infection in this country that goes far beyond one man.,142,2024-01-04 23:54:44
+kgcqz9d,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,We are doing what we can,126,2024-01-04 23:32:19
+kgd5sy3,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"Biden didn't cause an insurrection so he is safe. States can try to remove Biden it will not work.
+
+Also we need to stop worrying about what the GOP will do, we have laws for a reason and they need to be enforced.",124,2024-01-05 01:05:03
+kgclrqh,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,[removed],119,2024-01-04 23:00:23
+kgcv1uz,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"At this point, I wouldn't hold my breath until SCOTUS takes action on the subject.",118,2024-01-04 23:57:48
+kgcwwgw,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"Crazy how the people who won't lift a finger to keep children from being slaughtered in schools because of the 2nd amendment, suddenly think the constitution is open for interpretation.",110,2024-01-05 00:09:24
+kgd32wu,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"Some random Tandoori Oven Restaurant waitress is about to get elected president, a truly historic moment in US history.",107,2024-01-05 00:47:57
+kgd32fj,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"As an Illinoisan, I approve this message.",84,2024-01-05 00:47:52
+kgcywlv,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"Legit question, what happens if you misspell someone's name when writing in? Do secretaries of State have a choice to group votes together? Or will the electoral college just make that choice?
+
+I can see a lot of votes going to Nimarta Hailey whoever they are.",83,2024-01-05 00:21:53
+kgdv7sc,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,We literally watched all of this on TV as it was happening. I don't get how folks can pretend it didn't happen or rewrite the story of what happened when we watched it happen live. It blows my mind.,79,2024-01-05 03:53:37
+kgdnmxx,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,It was along the lines of “let them keep their weapons! They’re not here to hurt me!”,74,2024-01-05 03:00:24
+kgctqzt,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,Trump won't be gone until he's dead and gone.,72,2024-01-04 23:49:40
+kgdj03i,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,He said something about the metal detectors were preventing his attendees to his early Jan 6th rally from bringing weapons. When someone questioned him on it. He said that obviously they are here for me!,72,2024-01-05 02:29:42
+kgd8yiv,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,YESSSS!!! Another state with balls. LOVE IT!!,70,2024-01-05 01:24:49
+kgd3fez,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"There’s latitude for misspellings, so long as the poll workers can tell your intent. Of course, if you want to *actually* write in a person named Nimarta Hailey who *isn’t* Nikki Haley but who’s so cool you think she should be president you’re out of luck, although I suppose you could add a parenthetical “Srsly this is the right spelling she lives in DuBuque and my brother used to dog-sit for her I’m not talking about the former UN ambassador.” But Lisa Murkowski ran two successful write-in campaigns; perfect spelling is not mandatory.",70,2024-01-05 00:50:09
+kgdkkhh,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,The best part of these court cases is the constant coverage of the insurrection by the media.  They have to now.  It's why Trump is getting booted.  It continues to remind and associate Trump with the attempted coup.,50,2024-01-05 02:40:06
+kge08ur,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"He gave aid and comfort to the insurrectionists, and continues to do so today, including promising them pardons.",50,2024-01-05 04:31:43
+kgd56s9,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,Palatine/Schaumburg area reporting in. Get this turd off of our ballot!,46,2024-01-05 01:01:09
+kgcydcf,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"He's just the face of it right now. The greasy, bloated face.It's always there. It's always been there. It's just more prominent from time to time. Nazi Germany was the last prominent time in the west.",45,2024-01-05 00:18:35
+kgd7klv,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"Illinois voters who want him off
+The ballot are the true Patriots!  Thank you for trying to save our country.",43,2024-01-05 01:16:07
+kgdgqvh,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"The GOP will definitely go on Fox News and X and scream 24/7 that Biden engaged in insurrection. Meanwhile, not a single state court will rule in their favor. That’s the thing about the GOP’s bullshit propaganda. It only works in the court of public opinion. It the court of actual law, it doesn’t mean shit. They’ll be laughed out of the courtroom and be told to come back with real evidence.",37,2024-01-05 02:14:55
+kgd8f2s,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"We the people want a candidate, not an insurrectionist.",36,2024-01-05 01:21:24
+kgd4knv,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"First of all, the 14th amendment wasn't written until after the civil war, so it's been less than 160 years. Secondly, the question of whether it should apply to the president is clearly covered by ""or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States."" And you don't have to take my word for it. The framers of the amendment explicitly discussed including the president and vice president in the language, but concluded that the aforementioned line encompassed them. Even conservative originalists, including those on the supreme court, really don't have a leg to stand on here.",36,2024-01-05 00:57:14
+kgd11i7,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"Section 3 of the 14th Amendment doesn't require that he be tried for sedition. 
+
+https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/amendment-14/section-3/
+
+I wish Congress would of done their fucking jobs and disqualified him during the second impeachment. But this is where we are now.",34,2024-01-05 00:35:14
+kgdvdsv,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"They're here, actively trying to tell us that trump saying peaceful made it not an insurrection, never mind the fact that violence had already started.",33,2024-01-05 03:54:49
+kgedoa0,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"Unfortunately, it's *very* likely that the Supreme Court will not settle this issue on a consistent a nation-wide basis. Their two most likely rulings are:
+
+1. The 14th Amendment Section 3 is not self-executing, and requires an act of Congress to be properly enforced. Since no such act of Congress was ever passed, the Amendment is dead law as of right now; completely unenforceable.
+2. States have the inherent right to determine how to run their elections, up to and including the right to interpret the 14th Amendment Section 3 how they want. Therefore, the question of whether Trump *is actually* disqualified from holding office remains un-decided, but any state that decides to disqualify him by following their own state-specific legal processes will not be overturned.
+
+To be clear, these would be be cowardly, useless ways to resolve the issue, but our current Supreme Court is cowardly and useless, so there's no contradiction there. You'd need a wise and *activist* Supreme Court to handle this issue properly, and we definitely don't have that.",31,2024-01-05 06:28:56
+kgd3lpp,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"Not sure what you referring to, but so far, no one has removed Trump ""because X group just thinks so"". This latest effort in Illinois is asking for hearings. Likewise, there were hearings in Colorado to make a determination. The Maine Secretary of State made a decision within her official line of duty to disqualify a candidate. It's not people just throwing darts to decide who to remove.",31,2024-01-05 00:51:12
+kgdul3u,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"I prefer the term implausible deniability, because it only works if you’re being distracted from the more important facts. The riot wasn’t the insurrection, the riot was the distraction they hoped would enable the insurrection. The fraudulent slates of electors, patsies in Congress that contested state electors and bogged down the process, the thought that Pence could reject enough electors to keep Biden from getting 270 votes, and the riot intended to derail the election certification were all parts of a multi-pronged extralegal attempt to create a constitutional crisis and throw the election to state delegations. And they documented it. Because they’re morons.",30,2024-01-05 03:49:07
+kgd97k1,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"West Chicago here and same, 💯!",30,2024-01-05 01:26:23
+kgeeqqd,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,He wasn’t just some innocent bystander either. He was literally the Commander in Chief. He could have easily sent in the National Guard and/or told them to stand down WAY EARLIER. But he didn’t. The most damning evidence that day was what Trump DID NOT do and it sounds like Jack Smith has some bombshell evidence surrounding that. We absolutely need one of his trials to wrap up before the 2024 election.,30,2024-01-05 06:39:58
+kgeacz7,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"We'll be looking very, very seriously at full pardons,"" Trump told an interviewer in 2022. ""I mean full pardons with an apology to many."" ""LET THE JANUARY 6 PRISONERS GO,"" Trump posted on his social media site, Truth Social, in March 2023   
+My copy of the constitution says giving aid a comfort to insurrectionists can getcha thrown the fuck out of the White House….. does your copy not?",29,2024-01-05 05:56:43
+kgdfess,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"Boomers aren’t the only supporters of this. You can see a conga line of younger people who share the rhetoric. Yes, as a whole each generation gets more tolerant, however the severe gutting of education and the rise of mixing church and state has left swaths of damage to our society and country. I’m hoping that as the new generations come in, they vote for politicians that want for the country, not their party. Politicians that make it okay to criticize and want better for our nation and not kowtow the line because of a false patriotism, be that within the domestic and foreign spheres. Here’s hoping.",29,2024-01-05 02:06:04
+kgd5nic,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,They are simply asking them to apply the Constitution.  Who gives a shit if MAGAssholes get mad. They literally support a traitor to this nation.,28,2024-01-05 01:04:05
+kgd7xtm,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"He was not acquitted of inciting an insurrection. Republicans refused to even try him, which if you want to complain about doing things based on what people think, Republicans put party over country and refused to hold a fair and proper impeachment trial because they just didn’t want to and it would make their party look bad. Quit being a hypocrite.  There is a legal precedent from Colorado that every other state can refer to. That’s how legal precedent works.",28,2024-01-05 01:18:27
+kgd58m3,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"They don’t have his charisma, MAGA dies with trump",28,2024-01-05 01:01:28
+kgdz9ly,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"I think it’s incredibly silly that this even has to be done state by state, as opposed to the direct and clear text of the constitution just being followed",26,2024-01-05 04:24:02
+kgdbykr,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,The boys downstate are going to be positively choking at this news. I can’t wait.,26,2024-01-05 01:43:55
+kgeima8,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"The 14th Amendment, section 3 is EXTREMELY CLEAR that People that were previously sworn officers of the United States that broke thier oath of office by  participating in ***any*** **insurrection** against the United States are not allowed to be sworn officials ever again. 
+
+The amendment is not a question, it is a statement of fact SPECIFICALLY created to stop insurrectionists from getting another chance to overthrow the WILL OF THE PEOPLE and the duly elected US Government. 
+
+To all of those that cry that ""THE PEOPLE"" should decide instead of the courts, The PEOPLE legally decided so in 2020, stop pretending they did not.",25,2024-01-05 07:21:31
+kgdcpkb,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,As they say: I hate Illinois nazi’s.,25,2024-01-05 01:48:39
+kgd6eby,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,Make some Illinois!,23,2024-01-05 01:08:47
+kgdigpy,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,Or because they're disqualified to run.,22,2024-01-05 02:26:13
+kgdlwbo,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"To the other commenter’s point, this question was answered clearly in the ratification debates. The Senators here very clearly assume the presidency is an “office under the United States.” Of course, whether SCOTUS chooses the Constitution or partisan hackery remains to be seen.
+
+
+>Mr. JOHNSON. [...] But this amendment does not go far enough.
+I suppose the framers of the amendment thought it was necessary to provide for such an exigency.
+>
+>I do not see but that any one of these gentlemen may be elected President or Vice President of the United States, and why did you omit to exclude them? I do not understand them to be excluded from the privilege of holding the two highest offices in the gift of the nation. No man is to be a Senator or Representative or an elector for President or Vice President—
+>
+>
+>Mr. MORRILL. Let me call the Senator's attention to the words ""or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States."" 
+>
+>Mr. JOHNSON. Perhaps I am wrong as to the exclusion from the Presidency: no doubt I am[...]
+
+[Congressional Globe, Senate, 39th Congress, 1st Session, img 2899 (Library of Congress)](https://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=llcg&fileName=073/llcg073.db&recNum=20)",22,2024-01-05 02:48:55
+kgdemed,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,Ya know who isn’t on Epstein’s list? Biden.,21,2024-01-05 02:00:56
+kgdt2ea,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"Eh, I'd rather roll the dice on Biden running against DeSantis or Hailey because Trump got arrested during the primaries; than dealing with the shitshow of trying to convict/arrest/etc the nominated candidate, and the RNC scrambling for alternatives.
+
+Maybe I'm glossing over something, but it feels too bad on the risk:reward ratio.",21,2024-01-05 03:38:13
+kgcvkmx,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,Yes!! 💯,19,2024-01-05 00:01:05
+kgd6kll,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"It's not a question that he committed insurrection because Judge Sarah Wallace in CO ruled that he has. She wasn't sure if the 14th amendment applied to trump which means it went up to the next court and they found that the 14th amendment does apply to him.
+
+It's all here in her ruling: https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/02nd_Judicial_District/Denver_District_Court/11_17_2023%20Final%20Order.pdf",19,2024-01-05 01:09:52
+kgd67os,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,Party at the Four Seasons…landscaping and garden business,19,2024-01-05 01:07:36
+kge45xn,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"MAGA dies. However, just as MAGA replaced the Tea Party some other crap will likely replace MAGA.",19,2024-01-05 05:03:12
+kgdomze,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,[removed],18,2024-01-05 03:07:19
+kged1z4,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"1) https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/21/politics/trump-pacs-2-million-law-firms-jan-6-witnesses/index.html
+
+> Trump PACs paid $2 million this year to law firms representing January 6 witnesses
+
+2) https://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-says-hes-financially-supporting-january-6-defendants-2022-9
+
+> Trump said he's ""financially supporting people that are incredible,"" adding that he hosted some defendants in his office just two days ago. [...] Trump also said he will look ""very favorably"" about giving ""full pardons"" to individuals convicted of crimes related to the Capitol riot if he decides to run and win the 2024 presidential election. 
+
+These qualify as aid and comfort in my book, but you decide.",18,2024-01-05 06:22:40
+kgdutsq,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"I mean, the riot was just the clumsiest, most in the open attempt at insurrection. There's basically 5 different insurrections trump tried.",18,2024-01-05 03:50:51
+kgdssdt,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,Nobody is gonna do shit. The right wing is too cowardly.,17,2024-01-05 03:36:15
+kgdu1e4,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"Despite how fucking bananas the insurrection mob was, all the stuff like pressure campaigns on officials to fuck with results, the fake electors scheme, pressuring Pence - those actions were far more sinister and threatening to actually overturn the results.  The mob would have been cleared out eventually, but the procedural stuff was very real and very treasonous.",17,2024-01-05 03:45:11
+kgea3ut,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"To make our point perfectly clear. Everyone on the side of freedom and democracy should vote out every republican who sides with Trump in congress. Voting is our power, the Republicans keep trying to take away from us.",16,2024-01-05 05:54:24
+kge146i,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"When the opponent deliberately incited a violent insurrection in an attempt to overthrow an election in order to remain in power, then maybe, just maybe, they shouldn’t be allowed to run for the highest office this country has.",16,2024-01-05 04:38:33
+kgd2yrr,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"When Trump croaks, we all know who will ~~step~~ waddle up to the plate next…
+
+Not looking forward to that.",16,2024-01-05 00:47:14
+kgd3rci,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,I'm honestly so mentally frustrated and exhaustedhat Don Jr and Eric could potentially make 20 more years of MAGA bullshit should Trump win another election and then them. Don Jr is primed to go for it unfortunately...,16,2024-01-05 00:52:10
+kge3l7r,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"Nah. 
+
+I'm from downstate, and I approve.",16,2024-01-05 04:58:28
+kgdqntx,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,Yeah that's it.  Fine right? Nothing wrong with that!,16,2024-01-05 03:21:20
+kgei0gc,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,Man literally threw tantrums over the language used to try and talk people down when he finally relented to everyone asking him to put a stop to it. They had to rewrite his speech multiple times because he didn't want it to sound like he was admonishing the perpetrators or disagreed with their intent.,16,2024-01-05 07:14:49
+kgetj62,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"Or people who read the writing of the law. 
+
+If China's Xi got enough write in votes to be America's president would you accept that or would you argue the unconstitutionality of such a thing? 
+
+Or more realistically what if Obama ran for a third term? I bet he would beat Trump pretty handedly if he did. The only thing barring these two things are constitutional rules. Same as Trump. A pure democracy could see them be elected.
+
+Also you are calling the constitution a seething extremist. All our limits for who can and can't be president comes from the constitution.",15,2024-01-05 09:32:42
+kgedult,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"Okay then, bring that argument at a civil trial before a Texas court and see how well it works.
+
+Dee Santis and Greg Abbott and some others have *talked* about how they *should* go after Biden as revenge for this ""obvious un-democratic election interference"" against Trump, but then they follow up with ""but we won't do that because we Republicans are the better men"", which actually means ""I know that idea would *not actually work* and I'm just whining to help my voter base engage their defense mechanisms and stay in the fold"".",15,2024-01-05 06:30:44
+kge50yv,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"Normally I like to make a well thought out and nuanced argument. 
+
+However this time it will suffice to simply say: 
+
+**How the FUCK is the presidency not an office of the United States?!!**
+
+Are you fucking serious?",15,2024-01-05 05:10:20
+kgdwg66,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,C'mon Washington state.... Let's do it.,14,2024-01-05 04:02:42
+kgf7cmb,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,it was republicans in colorado who brought the case. these states are upholding the law.,14,2024-01-05 12:09:00
+kgdz7oj,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"Are you planning on going to war with Americans over trump making himself ineligible to run for office?
+
+Are you going to go dig a trench in a park and start eating sardines?",14,2024-01-05 04:23:37
+kgdl93i,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"“All the trials are falling through?”  How do you figure?  With the exception of the 13th juror, Colleen Canon, Trump has been getting steamrolled in the courts….",14,2024-01-05 02:44:39
+kgdfb7u,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"This is just an argument for anarchy, right? If we can't enforce the constitution against traitors because the traitors might one day get back in power, then there is no rule of law. Why are you carrying water for traitors?",14,2024-01-05 02:05:25
+kgd6hwo,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"Was there an insurrection of trump supporters? Yes, there was.
+
+Did he encourage them before and after? Yes, he did.
+
+
+It objectively happened in front of our eyes. Yes, people will keep working to prove it in courts, too, but we literally all know he did it because we watched him do it.
+
+And then he KEPT TRYING TO DO IT behind the scenes with his numerous attempts to use the court system to overthrow the election.
+
+We have multiple recordings of phone calls of him trying to bypass the election.
+
+The only way to deny any of this is to be not objective about it.",14,2024-01-05 01:09:24
+kgcyz0r,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,The shit he caused will last long after he is dead and gone.,13,2024-01-05 00:22:17
+kgdo25n,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,*We're on a mission from God.*,13,2024-01-05 03:03:19
+kgd7ut1,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,lol!  I needed a good laugh this evening. “Tandoori Oven Waitress”. L0L,13,2024-01-05 01:17:56
+kge1dbr,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"""he didnt want this and it was antifa but also stop the steal and these people should be pardoned!""",13,2024-01-05 04:40:34
+kgdgilx,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"Section 3 of the 14th amendment specifically includes ""aid and comfort"" in addition to participating in an insurrection.
+
+I don't care if cult members agree. I really don't. The ship on convincing people of reality sailed years ago. The law is clear and Trump is on the wrong side of it. So is anyone dismissing this serious situation",13,2024-01-05 02:13:24
+kgd6zat,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"The language doesn't bar eligibility based on feeling, it bars it based on leading insurrection against the government. Furthermore, for every single instance it has ever been used, not once has the subject of the prohibition been convicted of insurrection. The precedent you're fear pandering about already exists.",12,2024-01-05 01:12:24
+kgdhzac,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"There is more to suggest trump did plan it than not, hence the multitude of lawsuits and people in jail for sedition who are publicly begging trump for a pardon and there is little to no evidence antifa is an organized group let alone part or jan 6...that part is still 100% conspiracy.",12,2024-01-05 02:23:01
+kgebd95,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,I don’t think SCOTUS is going to let that happen. I listened to a lawyer dissect the legal arguments bit by bit and go over the likely court thinking.  It was very disappointing to hear but it made sense when he explained it.,12,2024-01-05 06:06:16
+kgedt1o,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"We can't enforce the Constitution because the insurrectionists might do something illegal. 
+
+Makes perfect sense.",12,2024-01-05 06:30:18
+kgej7rp,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,They'll always come up with excuses. Now at least the right wing media can't do easily hide the facts from them.,12,2024-01-05 07:28:22
+kge5d8b,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,Well they couldn’t go after him while he was president and the legal process for some of this stuff has been in motion for several years now. Not saying they aren’t trying to get him to not be able run as well but our legal system and investigations are really slow to meet the burden of proof for conviction. If you are gonna swing on someone like him you want a tight case which simply takes a long time to build and move through the system.,12,2024-01-05 05:13:10
+kged3xq,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"They can read it right here:  
+
+> No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
+
+https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/amendment-14/section-3/",12,2024-01-05 06:23:13
+kgedyhr,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"The US senate voted to convict him of insurrection at his second impeachment.
+
+A lower Colorado court found he was engaged in insurrection.
+
+Colorado Supreme Court found he was engaged in insurrection.",12,2024-01-05 06:31:52
+kgdmk9j,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"""no proof""
+
+Is such a weird thing to say.
+
+
+You do know, surely, that the 14th amendment has already been used to disqualify people from holding office who never had criminal charges filed? It was on fact THE INTENT to use it on people without filing criminal charges.
+
+You are wrong about how it's legally applied.",12,2024-01-05 02:53:11
+kgdyvq8,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"> Like we are all just too stupid to be able to decide who we want to represent us
+
+We can all pick anyone eligible. Insurrectionists aren't eligible, like 34 year olds or people born in Mongolia.
+
+> opposing party tries to throw its opposition into jail
+
+The DOJ and various state governments don't take orders from a party and grand juries are made up of all sorts of people. Only Trump has vowed to imprison political enemies.
+
+> Like what the hell is going on and why is nobody doing anything? 
+
+One candidate tried to have democracy overturned. This is people doing something about it.
+
+> so nothing will ever be done for Americans in terms of real tangible policies being instituted.
+
+Biden just saved the pensions of one million truck drivers.",11,2024-01-05 04:21:03
+kgd2vf6,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"Gotta love those concern trolls. 
+
+I’ll just refer you to Grixo’s post up there.",11,2024-01-05 00:46:39
+kgd2akt,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"Actually, not true.  The constitution says the acting president can only be impeached.  This was tried and was unsuccessful in the Senate because of politics.  Only after he leaves office, through impeachment resolution, him retiring or leaving office can he then be tried in Federal court. That is what is happening.  That is the the Democracy our constitution provides.",11,2024-01-05 00:43:01
+kgevu6k,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"> supports removing someone from the ballot.
+
+Based on constitutional law and due process, yes. Your pot/kettle is fulla shit.",11,2024-01-05 10:01:22
+kgdpon4,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"How about the 13 year old that says he raped her at an Epstein party? She dropped her lawsuit because of death threats. Gee, that doesn't sound like trump supporters! 
+
+https://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/donald-trump-rape-lawsuit-dropped-230770",11,2024-01-05 03:14:36
+kgevej1,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"> There’s latitude for misspellings, so long as the poll workers can tell your intent.  
+
+Reminds me the semi-drama in Jeopardy when a child prodigy competed in adult ""Jeopardy!"" and lost on the last question due to a misspelling. Jeopardy's standard is that a misspelling is allowed as long the *pronounciation* is reasonably the same.",11,2024-01-05 09:55:57
+kgdixwf,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"Unless that court is run by Judge Aileen Cannon (South Florida) or Judge Matthew Kacsmaryk (North Texas).
+
+They seem to just make up the law as they go along, to fit the end result they want to see.",11,2024-01-05 02:29:18
+kgdse8r,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"It has to be this month. Maine is finalizing and sending early ballots by the end of Jan, beginning of February.",10,2024-01-05 03:33:29
+kgdz2s4,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"The Chief Justice of the Supreme Court recently opined on typewriters and  looming AI issues.
+
+What else do you need pleb?",10,2024-01-05 04:22:33
+kgdxuoa,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"At this rate he'll be off the ballot in half the states, won't he",10,2024-01-05 04:13:11
+kgdxp24,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,Massachusetts is doing this now too.,10,2024-01-05 04:12:01
+kgdw2ni,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,You're welcome :D count me in!! (Champaign County here!),10,2024-01-05 03:59:54
+kge4bxl,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,Checking in from downstate to approve this message.,10,2024-01-05 05:04:37
+kgdks6j,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"Removing him may have some down ballot effects. If Republican voters can’t show up for Trump, they may not turn out at all leading to more dem house seats.",10,2024-01-05 02:41:32
+kgdkyif,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,[removed],10,2024-01-05 02:42:42
+kgdtpz2,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,Article 14 of the Constitution prohibits insurrectionists from becoming president. I'm more worried about our fundamental laws being subverted in the name of both sidesism. Why shouldn't democratically elected state officials not uphold the Constitution?,10,2024-01-05 03:42:56
+kgdzfvc,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"> The party that claims to represent democracy doing everything in their power to prevent democracy from being carried out.
+
+Are you talking about Republicans storming the Capitol to overturn an election or Democrats upholding the US Constitution?",10,2024-01-05 04:25:23
+kgd2s3y,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"There was an impeachment and it seemed to be that the reason it was unsuccessful in a conviction was because there were some Senators who voted to acquit, but they made it clear not because they thought he was innocent.",10,2024-01-05 00:46:04
+kge9zto,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,lol it's so obvious that even Mike Pence knew Trump will kidnap him for a few hours so he can't certify the election result.,10,2024-01-05 05:53:24
+kgepkmd,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"""2-3 years of nothing at all"" 
+
+uhh yeah If you weren't paying attention, like, at all.  
+
+Just because you weren't interested in what was happening during the painfully slow investigation and grand jury  phase and because your sources of current events chose not to cover what was happening until they could sit and complain about the outcome, doesn't mean it just fell out of the sky.",10,2024-01-05 08:43:34
+kgf8asp,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"In my lifetime, Republicans have been more interested in creating problems than solving them and purity tests have reached such a ridiculous level that any republican with consistent principles gets run out of the party. Damn straight I'm never voting for the republican party in my life. Plenty of other parties to choose from.",10,2024-01-05 12:18:07
+kgf4qie,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"Sigh, once again: Only a seething extremist would have a detailed plan to overturn a democratic election.",10,2024-01-05 11:42:54
+kgejyab,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"Tell that to the chodes who support Tucker, Crowder, and even more worrying, Fuentes and Kanye.",10,2024-01-05 07:36:48
+kgeh6ka,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"It's not shitty pizza, it's just a different type of pizza.  
+Anyway, Chicago thin crust is the real Chicago pizza.   
+
+  
+I'm not even going to ask what jerkwater pie *you're* horkin down your neck.",9,2024-01-05 07:05:43
+kgeyc4r,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"48%, keep the traitor out\
+30% , NO we love trump\
+22.%, don’t care 
+
+That’s more accurate",9,2024-01-05 10:31:39
+kgdq5tu,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,As if he even had a fucking snowballs chance in hell anyways. He got run out of here on his last campaign trail. The near 9mil people north of I80 in Cook and the Collar counties are blue voters (obviously not all).,9,2024-01-05 03:17:54
+kgd85ex,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"It depends on the state, but most of the time the ballot gets referred to a ballot curing process. This often means a group of ostensibly unbiased officials meeting to go over each questionable ballot in detail until they agree unanimously what the voter intended. 
+
+In my state, this group is required to have an equal number of Republicans and Democrats, which always seemed odd to me. It's not often that the law actually codifies the two party system; it's usually a consequence thereof instead. I suppose it's at least better than the chance that ballot curing could be handled entirely by one party.",9,2024-01-05 01:19:45
+kgduox6,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"People have gotten beat up, threatened with death, and actually killed based on flippant comments from that idiot.",9,2024-01-05 03:49:53
+kgdopma,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,they also blame antifa,9,2024-01-05 03:07:50
+kge05my,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,So? Are they going to be upset or something? What's new? They're perpetually pissed and thought there was some conspiracy that stole the election from trump.,9,2024-01-05 04:31:02
+kgenf3r,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"fuck off with that noise lol, we watched that shit play out live",9,2024-01-05 08:17:23
+kgf88e2,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"So we had a problem with hanging chads, but spelling doesn't count? My third grade teacher was apparently full of shit.",9,2024-01-05 12:17:28
+kgelc05,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"> Exit polling suggests that young White voters disproportionately supported Trump, with 53% of White 18-to-29-year-olds voted for him. 
+
+> But much greater percentages of young Black and Latino voters, who make up larger shares of America’s youngest generations than ever before, voted for Biden ([source](https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/18/the-2020-election-shows-gen-zs-voting-power-for-years-to-come.html)).
+
+So... that's kinda good. Minus the young white vote. But then for polling [this year](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/01/01/biden-trump-poll-odds-black-hispanic-young-voters/72072111007/)...
+
+> Biden now claims the support of just 63% of Black voters, a precipitous decline from the 87% he carried in 2020, according to the Roper Center. He trails among Hispanic voters by 5 percentage points, 39%-34%; in 2020 he had swamped Trump among that demographic group 2 to 1, 65%-32%.
+
+Polls are polls and a lot can happen between now and November. But there is a very real chance the young vote gets dumb and stays home or votes 3rd party and the country gets 2025'd.",9,2024-01-05 07:52:40
+kge077v,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,You don’t really need to take anyone’s word for it. Donald Trump himself has referred to it as an officer of the United States in his own legal filings.,9,2024-01-05 04:31:22
+kgd84w8,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"Nah, they don’t have what it takes to be a cult leader.  Eric is stupid and Junior is always high on cocaine.  If their old man is done, we probably won’t hear from them.",9,2024-01-05 01:19:40
+kgf9g8o,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"The ""office"" of the president is referred to like 30 times in the constitution. I don't understand this argument at all...",9,2024-01-05 12:28:42
+kgd7nnt,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"Oh no, there are some 🤡 ready to take his spot. Same clowns, just less orange.",9,2024-01-05 01:16:40
+kgdm87r,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"Couy Griffin was removed as a County Commisioner in New Mexico for his actions on January 6th.  I believe the Judge also barred him from running for office in the state.
+
+This was the result of a lawsuit citing the 14th Amendment. 
+
+The same thing happened to DJ Bone Spurs in Colorado.",9,2024-01-05 02:51:01
+kgestxc,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,You asked every single person in that state?,8,2024-01-05 09:23:53
+kge7j0y,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"The wild card is the SCOTUS and what they will decide, and if their decision will have enough legitimacy for the states to follow it. If Thomas doesn't recuse himself due to his wife's involvement it would call any decision into question.",8,2024-01-05 05:31:36
+kgdxsuq,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"I wish *Republicans* would of done their fucking jobs and disqualified him during the second impeachment. But this is where we are now.
+
+--fixed.",8,2024-01-05 04:12:48
+kge0033,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"> Biden didn't cause an insurrection so he is safe.
+
+Hi, attorney general of Texas here.  Didn't Biden have a dog that bit a Secret Service agent that one time?  That sounds close enough for me!",8,2024-01-05 04:29:49
+kge7nbl,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,Just an fyi you can edit comments,8,2024-01-05 05:32:36
+kgemfwi,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"It's not ""convicted of"" it's ""participated in"".  Directing from afar is still participation, and legally should bar him from holding sworn office.  The entire point of Section 3 is to keep failed insurrectionists from having any future chances to overthrow the government.",8,2024-01-05 08:05:37
+kgf835m,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,Wouldn’t be much worse than the Tandoori Tenderloin we elected in 2016,8,2024-01-05 12:16:05
+kgdoy24,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"Oh certainly sprinkle in a lot of ""fbi and antifa did this"" at any point where there isnt another excuse.",8,2024-01-05 03:09:29
+kgecasw,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"If only it had been ""stand down"". That's all he had to say (of course, it would have had as much effect as the halfhearted mention of ""peaceful"" on the 6th). Instead, he specifically said ""stand back and stand by"", which yeah was indeed basically ""be ready... Wait for the signal.""",8,2024-01-05 06:15:12
+kgf3i18,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,You do realize the Colorado case was a civil case right? And that civil suites were how the 14th amendment was enforced since reconstruction. This isn't new precedent.,8,2024-01-05 11:29:54
+kgdiakd,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"I didn't say I'm pissed at him, and I'm a pretty lukewarm pragmatic neo liberal, hardly left.
+
+I'm not arguing with you, though. If you want to deny the insurrection by all means, do so. I was just discussing it with you.",8,2024-01-05 02:25:06
+kgeqp9q,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"It's more so that he crossed out anything he felt might indicate his supporters were doing anything he disagreed with.
+
+https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/new-evidence-from-jan-6-committee-shows-trump-changed-script-for-speech-after-capitol-attack",8,2024-01-05 08:57:33
+kgdjdu2,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"I take back everything I said about your shitty pizza, Chicago. Get this clown off the ballot!",7,2024-01-05 02:32:14
+kgeb8y1,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"I believe the Colorado Supreme Court stayed their ruling until January 5th which is when they need a finalized ballot list. 
+
+And...it just became January 5th.",7,2024-01-05 06:05:10
+kgelprc,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,Didn’t a cop die as well because of the attack?,7,2024-01-05 07:57:09
+kgdvw0y,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,[deleted],7,2024-01-05 03:58:33
+kgelxim,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"Unfortunately, The People in question don't know how to fucking read and no legal document will avail us.",7,2024-01-05 07:59:40
+kgdp0eg,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"being on the ballot is a proxy for ""holding office"".
+
+meaning, the amendment actually says an insurrectionist can't hold office, so it's we won't have him on the ballot either, since he couldn't hold office even if elected.
+
+same reason as why a 20 year old can't be on the ballot - they couldn't hold office when elected. and both scenarios, where someone wins but is not eligible to hold office, is a whole another shit storm, because who becomes president? the VP? the runner up?",7,2024-01-05 03:09:56
+kgf0trh,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,You guys are so scared and I love it. Can't wait to vote against trump for the 3rd time and every republican for the rest of my life,7,2024-01-05 11:00:40
+kgftv0n,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"Another blue state enforcing the 14th amendment of the Constitution.
+
+Fixed it for you",7,2024-01-05 15:00:24
+kgf5a9n,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"“For a true and fair election (except for the one party that tried to overturn the election in 2020), we should allow the one party that tried to overturn the election in 2020 another chance to overturn the election in 2024.” 
+
+If you wanted a true and fair election, you wouldn’t allow candidates that do everything they can to fuck the election back onto the ballot.",7,2024-01-05 11:48:35
+kgeltq9,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"True, but unless said democracy holds true to the laws which govern it (in this case the 14th amendment, the same one that abolished slavery), then said democracy will fall to ruin in short order.  Same as what happens if a democracy allows a defeated incumbent to usurp the process by refuting any unfavorable election outcome, either through subversion of the process (i.e., the GA election fraud case) or through violent action (i.e., the Jan 6 attack).
+
+In other words, the voters already decided, more than 100 years ago when the amendment was ratified.",7,2024-01-05 07:58:27
+kgetavx,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"As Republicans have been fond of reminding us we are a constitutional Republic. A kind of limited at times indirect democracy. One of those limitations is that who the people vote in has to be in line with what the constitution allows.
+
+For instance the people can't vote in a foreigner or an immigrant. They also can't vote in a person under 35. And they can't vote in a person who server two or more terms as president already. It doesn't matter how many of us vote for people in those categories. They are constitutionally ineligible. Like Donald Trump because of the insurrection he did. Which bars him from office under the constitutional amendment the 14th section 3.",7,2024-01-05 09:29:47
+kgd7jzl,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,and her husband Bill!,7,2024-01-05 01:16:01
+kgf82y6,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"Serious question, will she show up as Nikki or Nimarata on the ballot?  I personally dgaf about her name and heritage, but I'm sure the Republican base does.",7,2024-01-05 12:16:02
+kgdzayy,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"I think it’s incredibly silly that this even has to be done state by state, as opposed to the direct and clear text of the constitution just being followed on a national level by default",7,2024-01-05 04:24:20
+kgeiuxq,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"An unbelievable number of people witnessed the Jan 6th event live on television. For some, they needed someone to explain to them that what they saw was something other than what we all saw and understood - an unjustified attempt to overturn the election. MAGA leaders bank on those type of people accepting another version of what the rest of us saw and understood to be self evident.  
+
+It's the MAGA way - pissing in your face and telling you that it's actually raining.  Amazingly (sadly), those people can't tell piss from rain even when it's directly in their face.  
+
+Or maybe MAGA leaders are convinced that a significant enough percentage of the country did not see it, or enough of their own supporters saw or read reframed, alternate factual versions of it, to believe that they could get their followers to accept what everyone else knows to be a complete fabrication. 
+
+That this is possible, is the most frightening aspect of the this whole Trump fiasco. And I don't personally believe there are enough idiots of that type to put the orange führer back into the White House and it makes me angry that every media outlet has a vested interest in having everyone believe it possible because they profit from the fear, uncertainty and doubt.",7,2024-01-05 07:24:18
+kge1akf,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"After the dust settled from j-6. My dad said, nothing he said was wrong or incited an insurrection 🤦",7,2024-01-05 04:39:58
+kgevtvd,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"Actually, he said ""Be peaceful"" in the middle of his speech, and then ended his speech several minutes later with ""Fight like hell, and if you don't fight like hell, you won't have a country anymore.""  I think the impact of saying ""Be peaceful"" was in the wrong part of the speech to be taken as anything more than a token gesture.",7,2024-01-05 10:01:16
+kgdfy5u,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"I would argue that with the overturning of Roe vs Wade, they don’t care about legal precedent anymore.  Some elements of the Democrats have realized that “going high while they go low” doesn’t work anymore, especially when the GOP primarily advances bad faith arguments.",7,2024-01-05 02:09:37
+kgemopu,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"The 14th does not require a conviction. It's a civil issue, not a criminal one.",7,2024-01-05 08:08:30
+kgeym1v,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"Ah another American that doesn't know their history.
+
+The 3rd section of the 14 amendment was drafted to keep confederate trators out of the government. This was done during reconstruction by civil suites, not criminal.
+In those cases, as well as Trumps. The plaintiffs need to show ""clear and convincing evidence"" that the defendent took part in an insurrection.
+
+""Clear and Convincing Evidence "" is a legal standard that the Colorado plaintiffs met at the case trail and the state Supreme Court up held.",7,2024-01-05 10:34:56
+kgej3bi,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"> And they documented it. Because they’re morons.
+
+They documented it because they thought they would win. 
+ 
+They believed that the documentation would get them riches/points/freedom in the fascist regime they were working to support.",7,2024-01-05 07:26:57
+kgeie5u,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"""The battering rams were peaceful, as was the gallows erected to hang the VP!""",7,2024-01-05 07:19:02
+kgg9xmi,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"What about this congressional record from 1866 where senators were debating the language of the 14th amendment and specifically addressed the term “officer”? Is this not also some sort of established precedent?
+
+1866 Colloquy on Phrasing of the 14th Amendment
+
+> Senator Reverdy Johnson worried that the final version of Section Three did not include the office of the Presidency.
+
+> He stated, “[T]his amendment does not go far enough” because past rebels “may be elected President or Vice President of the United States.”
+
+> So he asked, “why do you omit to exclude them? I do not understand them to be excluded from the privilege of holding the two highest offices in the gift of the nation.”
+
+> Senator Lot Merrill fielded this objection. He replied, ***“Let me call the Senator’s attention to the words ‘or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States.’”***
+
+> This answer satisfied Senator Johnson, who stated, ***“Perhaps I am wrong to the exclusion from the Presidency; no doubt I am.”***
+
+https://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=llcg&fileName=073/llcg073.db&recNum=20",7,2024-01-05 16:36:15
+kgf9m4z,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,I just don't love treason as much as you do lol.,7,2024-01-05 12:30:11
+kget3d2,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"Trump and his goons intentionally left the protection of the capital minimal and wouldn't send reinforcements when immediately requested. Trump's administration was in charge of all of that. He even appointed the head of the FBI at the time. And that is humoring your conspiracy. 
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+The Jan 6thers who got arrested had online footprints going back years supporting conservative narratives. Like Baked Alaska was one of them and he was a well known rightwing streamer who got arrested. We know who these people were. They weren't FBI or feds, they were jackass Trump voters from across the country.",7,2024-01-05 09:27:09
+kgdwy1d,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,They're incapable of assessment of all information at once.,7,2024-01-05 04:06:22
+kgenpd4,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"Somehow, Palpatine returned",7,2024-01-05 08:20:46
+kge89zv,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,He doesn't deserve to be on any ballot after trying to actually steal the election by having fake electors and insurgents try and keep him in power.,6,2024-01-05 05:38:00
+kge2kz3,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,We’re doing our duty.,6,2024-01-05 04:50:16
+kgf7m63,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"Hey, deep dish pizzas are divine, you barbarian.",6,2024-01-05 12:11:36
+kgftoh2,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"How cute! You think that Trump supports are a majority? They are a loud and obnoxious minority. Also, remember that Trump did not win the popular vote.",6,2024-01-05 14:59:15
+kgdcnx4,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"This is a good argument for the presidential immunity case and an absolutely shit one for the actual situation we’re discussing here. If a Democrat does anything even remotely smelling of insurrection, they’re welcome to try. They’d have to make it wholesale up out of cloth, however, and that absolutely isn’t what’s occurring right now while this is happening to Trump. 
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+We get it. They don’t. You apparently don’t either.",6,2024-01-05 01:48:22
+kgf01kn,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,Any Republican at this point is a shit event.,6,2024-01-05 10:51:41
+kgflgov,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"\#1 is a stretch, as there's nothing in the text of the Amendment that requires an act of Congress. It would also be reading the clause as superfluous, which is against the standard rules of statutory interpretation.",6,2024-01-05 14:03:53
+kgf28ao,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,[deleted],6,2024-01-05 11:16:05
+kgfkwf6,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"Wanna do me a favor and look up when the US started using mail in ballots? It’s kind of a trick question, because it has been a thing in one form or another since before the US was actually a country, but it’s been used pretty extensively since the Civil War. 
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+It’s amazing how a system that has been in use for 150 years had no meaningful, provable fraud until Trump lost.",6,2024-01-05 13:59:52
+kgdrd3r,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"We need to keep raising our kids that everyone is equal and just because someone is a different color or disabled, doesn't mean that they're a bad person. 
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+I grew up disabled and Mexican, and had a rough childhood. Thankfully not racism against me but definitely for being disabled.",6,2024-01-05 03:26:15
+kgd7dgg,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"Yeah, exactly what I was saying laws need to be enforced, but are they? The guy has a long list of shitty things that he’s done to a lot of people. But he’s still a completely free man.
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+And it’s funny that people think the GOP won’t just make shit up and say random shit like he ***did cause an insurrection***, because that’s the kind of thing they do. It’s infinitely easier to lie and fabricate a story than it is to prove it wrong.
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+You think they play by any sort of rules? They want to criminalize abortion ffs.
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+But anyway, go ahead and downvote away folks. Until enough people take enough action, nothing will happen, and slactivism won’t get anyone anywhere. Downvotes won’t change anything.",6,2024-01-05 01:14:51
+kgf4k7t,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,People are getting death threats by taking him off.,6,2024-01-05 11:41:06
+kgez9cv,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,What happens to your hyper partisan narrative when you learn these cases involve republicans suing to keep Trump of the republican ballot in the republican primaries? Do you still blame democrats and just deny all republican involvement?,6,2024-01-05 10:42:35
+kge3lut,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,Most court dates are scheduled in the upcoming weeks/months. Justice takes time,6,2024-01-05 04:58:36
+kgeh41j,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"Hillary did not form an aggressive  mob with the stated purpose of over throwing an election.  The 14th has been used 3 times against people so its not like we are in some uncharted territory.
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+The Reconstruction Framers didn't leave it to the courts to remove disability. They left it to Congress. It's right there in the Amendment. Their debate makes it clear. They did not trust the corrupt courts in the South, so they made it clear that Congress could clear up such a disability. Nobody else.
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+So once trump is off the ballot in every state trump can go to congress and get them to vote  to  allow him to be back on the ballot",6,2024-01-05 07:04:58
+kgdwoo5,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,Hey Cult! Admit you all messed completely up already. Trump is not going to tell antifa or the FBI he loves them and they are special ffs.,6,2024-01-05 04:04:28
+kgej3om,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,Story of America,6,2024-01-05 07:27:04
+kgfa4it,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,So only people in jail are criminals?,6,2024-01-05 12:34:51
+kgew5rv,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"He knowingly lied about the election results for literally years. Even 2016, the race he got an electoral win, he lied about voter fraud. He lied in the run up to the result for that race right to the years following his single term defeat. We have the admissions that his advisors knew they were all lying about the election result. 
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+And the ""stolen election"" lies they spread where the number 1 reason his voters stormed the capital.
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+And to top it all over he held a rally in the same place on the same day the peaceful transfer of power was being conducted in the capital with a joint session of congress overseen by the vice president. The same precedings he is in trouble for trying to disrupt with an illegal fake elector scheme.
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+And he told this mob to go to the capital and push congress and his VP to choose him to be president.
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+Its kind of like Alex Jones. Alex Jones wasn't personally marching on peoples lawns screaming at them for most of the damages he was found liable for. He was found liable because he knowingly spread lies on a massive platform and formed a mob that did the damage. He was responsible for the actions of that mob.
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+Trump is responsible for the mob that formed around his election lies and his Jan 6th rally. 
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+Not to mention we have testimony that McCarthy acknowledged Trump has control of the mob and Trump refused to call them off because McCarthy wasn't illegally making him president for a second term. And we have testimony he actively argued with his secret service and wanted to personally lead Jan 6th. The only reason he didn't is because the secret service did their job and brought him to a bunker where he was reportedly elated about the footage of what was happening at the capital.
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+Everything we have shows he winded them up for literal years and supported their actions until it became clear they failed to overturn the election and were a liability after which he tried to save face by finally putting out a call to leave. After their goal was impossible to achieve.",6,2024-01-05 10:05:21
+kgeo9yc,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,Would be interesting to see those other speeches that were passed over.,6,2024-01-05 08:27:39
+kgevmia,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"The video is pretty revealing, of him whining and not wanting to say particular words while staff is trying to get a recording of that forced Jan6 speech for public release.",6,2024-01-05 09:58:42
+kge5z4z,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,More! More! The more states who do this the more SCOTUS will be forced to quickly either take up the case or kick it back to Congress (most likely result). But at least this puts a fire under them to make a call one way or another BEFORE the election.,5,2024-01-05 05:18:25
+kgez4uv,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"You know, I used to not be too thrilled about living in Illinois. But with how we've been going the past few years, it feels like we're really one of the better states to be in at this point. I may not agree with Pritzker on everything, but I'm really optimistic about the direction Illinois and some of our fellow Midwest states are heading.",5,2024-01-05 10:41:05
+kgg03lx,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,How many people live in those blue cities and counties vs the rest of the state?,5,2024-01-05 15:38:52
+kgeq3w1,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,Because we have laws.,5,2024-01-05 08:50:10
+kgf1hum,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"This isn't really a new precedent. A lot of people have been disqualified for insurrection without conviction. Back in reconstruction, it was the norm to disqualify insurrectionist via civil suite, just like in the Colorado case.
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+The only thing novel about this case is that it involves a former president who committed an insurrection.",5,2024-01-05 11:08:07
+kgezad2,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"If we don't apply our laws for fear of violence, the county is already lost.",5,2024-01-05 10:42:54
+kgevxqb,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,Hatters gonna hat.,5,2024-01-05 10:02:35
+kgf44er,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,">Or you know, could let the voters decide. That’s what democracies do.
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+Yeah we did, and then Trump tried to stay in office with lies and crimes, resulting in an attempted insurrection.
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+So that should probably have some level of repercussions, like at least making it so he cant run again...right?",5,2024-01-05 11:36:30
+kgdyuyr,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,They are not taking republicans off the ballot just trader Trump.,5,2024-01-05 04:20:54
+kgg4bcx,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"It's a corrupt SCOTUS full of Federalist Society appointees, their lawyers argued the case against him in Colorado.",5,2024-01-05 16:03:46
+kgf54su,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,">For many people, the association is that Dems are trying to stick anything to Trump to try and sink him.
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+lol 'anything'.
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+>​ I've spoken to several conservative leaners who believe the sheer volume of indictments is proof that Trump is being unfairly attacked.
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+I remember people saying the same about Bill Cosby. 
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+I think anyone being honest can understand what a stupid and desperate defense that is.",5,2024-01-05 11:47:00
+kgf1lg5,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"If you can't conspiracy and your coup doesn't work feign victimhood like a pussy, brilliant plan, triggered Republican screeching as usual",5,2024-01-05 11:09:12
+kgdzx7w,18yqkok,Illinois voters ask elections board to take Trump off 2024 ballot,"There have been a few times they didn't rule in his favor. Though this is about ballot access, a much bigger topic, he doesn't have 5 die-hard supporters.",5,2024-01-05 04:29:11