comment_id,post_id,post_title,body,score,created_utc ke6xzcc,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,Don't worry about it! There won't be a second civil war here in America. No one here has enough PTO for it.,1352,2023-12-20 15:52:18 ke68z0u,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"We've reached the point where every election has the potential to trigger mass civil unrest or outright sectarian violence. That's just how things go when the ruling class no longer interacts with material reality and retreats to the comforts of ideology (neoliberalism in our case). All that's left to do is wait until the system tips over and a new equilibrium is found.",982,2023-12-20 12:51:08 ke6upg0,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"i work in an elections office (tech role) and i can confirm, the shit is already getting stupid, getting anonymous mail with the most contrived ranting, mail with powdery shit in it, the whole nine. i'm still not too worried about my own safety, but just the sheer amount of bullshit this whole nation is going to unload on itself come november. gonna make 2020 seem tame by comparison.",378,2023-12-20 15:31:38 ke79l7f,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,Thanks for the laugh. Even though you wrote a true statement,303,2023-12-20 17:03:04 ke6his4,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"As long as we have “news” organizations competing for your attention (dollars), things will never go back to where it used to be. FOX/CNN will always need a “villain” to enrage/scare you. As long as you are emotionally invested, there is money to be made. There is no civil discourse anymore, only “you are wrong”. Media organizations need to serve their audience. Same thing for YouTubers. They are all fighting for your attention - “So and so destroys so and so with this ONE sentence.” We are constantly put into “us vs them” - and it’s working.",273,2023-12-20 14:00:53 ke6qfm2,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,us plebs will be too busy bashing and running over and gunning down and looting one another to change the system,271,2023-12-20 15:03:52 ke6dwdd,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,2024 is when the violence actually shows up. Everything else has been dress rehearsal,248,2023-12-20 13:32:55 ke74a02,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"That's the problem. Everyone is so divided that many can't see the issue resides with the government, not any one (or multiple) groups of people. All of us middle/lower income people are all the same. We just want to live comfortably and provide for ourselves and family without struggling.",227,2023-12-20 16:31:19 ke6cjs7,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,More like Hollywood reflecting the fears of the people. Don't Look Up was done by people who hang out on collapse.,188,2023-12-20 13:21:51 ke6uno3,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"So many folks are focusing on the overt fascist tendencies of Trump and MAGA, there is a danger of overlooking something else. Yes, Trump is still likely to be the nominee, and it is possible he could win the election. But this is not taking into consideration the large number of independent voters who don't show up to MAGA rallies and say batshit crazy stuff. In the US, it is useful to follow the money. And there is money flowing from Charles Koch to Nikki Haley's campaign. This is the same Koch who backs the Heritage Foundation, which is promising to bring us Project 2025. You may be worried that Trump would usher in the dystopian changes that are promoted in Project 2025, but the brains and money of this effort are pushing for Nikki Haley. I can imagine, for a lot of conservative leaning independents, Nikki Haley would seem like the best of all right-wing worlds - pro-business, lower taxes, pro-industrial war complex, and likely able to win over a some conservative suburban soccer moms, who are repulsed by Trump, but can see a bit of themselves in Nikki Haley. I'm not saying Haley is guaranteed to get the nomination, or win the general (but she beats Biden in polling for the general). It could still be Trump v. Biden. I'm just saying, a Koch-backed Heritage Foundation takeover of our democracy with a reassuring Haley face on it is more likely than a lot of folks may think.",170,2023-12-20 15:31:19 ke6gc9p,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"From the outside of the US, it looks like the etablishment has been feeding and cultivating Y'all'qaeda for a long time, using it to push further right by negative votes. The risks* of that bet are maturing now. They tolerated the spread of misinformation and the rise of the new sect of ""Qristianity"" with Trump as the new messiah. The corporate/mainstream media gave Trump $ billions worth of publicity in 2016, they made him. Now they'll have to put the fire out. The real question that Americans should be asking themselves now is if the federal institutions like the FBI and military are infiltrated enough to overcome the status quo (""regime change"") or not.",170,2023-12-20 13:51:55 ke7mjce,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,Genuinely. I can't that anything like the 2020 summer protests would've happened without covid disrupting work and school.,167,2023-12-20 18:20:00 ke6bphr,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,It doesn’t help that there is a movie coming out called “Civil War”. Propaganda shapes society as well.,146,2023-12-20 13:14:56 ke6zd07,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"It might be cliche to make comparisons - but . . . Hitler lead a attack on the government, was put in jail, got even more popular in jail, Nazi party got ""elected"" into power - appointed Hitler the leader.",138,2023-12-20 16:00:48 ke6i6tt,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"2024 is where this little outburst of violence shows up and then the mask comes off. Like full on ""fuck the rubber bullets"" / drones / mustard gas kind of comes off. And then. We will all re-consider the violence for about the next 10 years.",131,2023-12-20 14:05:53 ke7lgq5,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"That's how they want it. ""They keep the lower and the middle classes fighting with each other so that they the rich, can run off with all the fucking money."" - George Carlin.",127,2023-12-20 18:13:38 ke7dihk,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"All this with the rise of deepfakes getting better by the day, and it's going to get even messier.",126,2023-12-20 17:26:27 ke6thaj,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,It’s either vote for blue capitalists or red capitalists. Both are going to sow the seeds of our destruction. The only different is the level of comfort on the way out.,116,2023-12-20 15:23:46 ke6tlr4,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"From where I'm sitting, banning Trump from the ballot here in CO felt kind of mundane. Based on the massive spasm of media attention, however, I'm assuming that's not the case for most people. I figure there are two ways this can go; the US Supreme Court overturns the Colorado Supreme Court's decision, and things continue as usual. Alternatively, the US Supreme Court upholds our court's decision, and every state starts competing to see how many opposing politicians they can ban from their ballots before our already barely functioning democracy becomes truly untenable.",93,2023-12-20 15:24:34 ke6gfv1,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,Trump seems far more demented to me. Can’t even use a fucking sentence properly.,90,2023-12-20 13:52:39 ke6h50y,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,I have been asking myself this whole time why haven't federal agencies tried to save democracy in the U.S.? I thought the CIA or FBI would have tried to preserve it but it appears that all the alphabet agencies want fascism to rise. It must be part of their charter that fascism is better for national interests than democracy.,89,2023-12-20 13:57:59 ke6r71t,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,[deleted],88,2023-12-20 15:08:57 ke6yeqx,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"This is true. Trump was and would be a disaster if he wins, but at least he’s stupid AF and only cares about his interests. He’ll just follow the money. Haley and the other Republicans actually seem to want to dismantle democracy, and they’ll be able to do it quietly.",81,2023-12-20 15:54:55 ke7473p,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,I think the 2024 election is going to be the one where something big goes down.,79,2023-12-20 16:30:50 ke6uduz,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"""Both within Germany and abroad, there were initially few fears that Hitler could use his position to establish his later dictatorial single-party regime. Rather, the conservatives that helped to make him chancellor were convinced that they could control Hitler and ""tame"" the Nazi Party while setting the relevant impulses in the government themselves; foreign ambassadors played down worries by emphasizing that Hitler was ""mediocre"" if not a bad copy of Mussolini; even SPD politician Kurt Schumacher trivialized Hitler as a Dekorationsstück (""piece of scenery/decoration"") of the new government. German newspapers wrote that, without doubt, the Hitler-led government would try to fight its political enemies (the left-wing parties), but that it would be impossible to establish a dictatorship in Germany because there was ""a barrier, over which violence cannot proceed"" and because of the German nation being proud of ""the freedom of speech and thought"". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler%27s_rise_to_power#:~:text=Adolf%20Hitler%27s%20rise%20to%20power%20began%20in%20the%20newly%20established,early%20years%20of%20the%20party.",78,2023-12-20 15:29:34 ke6gzvk,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"It will only get worse if they take over the government too. They are grooming paramilitaries and it's a dark future that would result, one would think the rich would realize it's not in their interest to have their political monster seize absolute power but they are arrogant enough to think they can control it.",77,2023-12-20 13:56:54 ke6q5il,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,based on the history of who they have supported internationally it’s really not surprising. the imperial boomerang and all that.,76,2023-12-20 15:02:00 ke6nbxl,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,Everybody put a finger under the system and lift a little… the sooner it tips the better off we’ll all be,72,2023-12-20 14:42:51 ke6sv11,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"80% of Republicans still supported Trump after the coup attempt. The 20% of Republicans who are corporatists allowed the takeover of their party by the 80% who are authoritarian in 2015 because they knew that they could not win without them. They were going to have a brokered convention and some of the top corporatists refused to back Trump. They knew that they were putting democracy in the US in danger. And almost one third of the electorate couldn't be bothered to vote against an authoritarian Strong Leader. The reason that there is no mass civil unrest in the US is because ignorance and apathy are considered virtues. This is not a good thing. Ignorance and apathy are the Achilles' heels of democracy.",72,2023-12-20 15:19:49 ke6ggdy,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,I hope you're wrong....but you probably aren't.,71,2023-12-20 13:52:46 ke8ajk9,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,It's funny cuz the last civil war was proceeded by a major candidate not allowed on some ballots.,66,2023-12-20 20:43:22 ke8fu5v,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"Just wait until food gets even more expensive with crop failures, and more of us lose our jobs to outsourcing, austerity, another plague, AI or whatever comes next.",66,2023-12-20 21:15:18 ke7bste,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"Russia after the USSR became an oligarchy, life expectancy dropped, regular people left completely broke --- seems like where we're headed",65,2023-12-20 17:16:18 ke8gegh,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"I think he is right that it helped achieved critical mass. You can't threaten someone's job with an illegal arrest because they aren't gonna get no call-no show the next day. That's why I feel like COVID shutdowns started weakening in June 2020, they did that to get the peons back on the grind and so they have something to take away.",65,2023-12-20 21:18:42 ke7heqs,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,MAGA loons: Weekend terrorism it is!,63,2023-12-20 17:49:37 ke9v9y2,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"You’re right, but it’s pretty wild to think that a goddamn insurrection and storming of the capital building with dozens of federal security officers severely hurt or killed wasn’t The Big Thing going down.",59,2023-12-21 03:03:45 ke6l0eu,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"this so much they feed from our outrage and try to keep is pinned to the TV through fear",59,2023-12-20 14:26:24 ke74dt2,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"I’m scared because a majority of the time, when a country tips over its like a boat with a hole in it tipping in an ocean. That’s it. I implore people to look at other countries with systems that tipped over and ask themselves, what does the country look like even 30 years later? I don’t think we’re going to be an outlier like Japan after Hiroshima. I think it’s going to be like the majority of the Middle East. Never stable, socially free and prosperous again (or really, not so within our lifetimes).",58,2023-12-20 16:31:59 ke7hn93,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"A big part of the reason that Japan did so well after WWII was the Occupation under MacArthur, and a big part of the reason that Germany did so well was the Marshall Plan. Both of these plans had economic and social reforms well to the left of anything that corporate Democrats would support today. When the US collapses it will not have any foreign savior to support it as it regains its equilibrium, rather it will be sucked dry by oiligarchs, many of them nominally US citizens, much like Russia and many former Soviet states were sucked dry by their oiligarchs.",58,2023-12-20 17:51:00 ke6cxbj,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"Look at this way, no state that would kick Trump out of the primary is a state where Trump would win the electoral votes for that state. Every last blue state could knock Trump out of the primaries and it would not affect the final election result in the slightest.",55,2023-12-20 13:24:56 ke738iz,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"The same violence and intimidation tactics as well. And it all starts tumbling down. When the men get drafted into another failed war of conquest, 10 years later.",55,2023-12-20 16:24:55 ke7c1cu,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,All we see is the lines. Seeing the commonality is too difficult.,54,2023-12-20 17:17:44 ke6cmq3,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,There has to be one hell of a suspension of disbelief for the opposition to the central government coming from **an alliance of Texas and California** (which is apparently how it is in the movie).,53,2023-12-20 13:22:32 ke78ql3,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"Unfortunately, the new system will be a fascist hell that makes you daydream of the way it is today",53,2023-12-20 16:58:01 ke7y7br,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"There will be, but not now. Conditions will get a lot worse before people are desperate enough to take up sides in a civil war or war of secession.",51,2023-12-20 19:29:31 ke9tgo2,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,Exactly what came to mind when the lieutenant governor of Texas threatened to remove Biden from the ballet due to Colorado removing Trump. If this tit for tat stuff escalates then you've effectively got the same rival elections situation that preceded the civil war.,51,2023-12-21 02:50:42 ke6cpl3,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"I'm in the UK and having moved house a few years back, have yet to re-register to vote. I have friends who'll say I have to get registered and 'have my vote' come next year but who really believes it matters anymore? Looking at UK politics just over the last few years it's an utter shitshow. Politians are so transparent in their motivations, and manipulations of the public. Whichever party you vote for, you're still voting for business as usual, the choice is having a party of political cruelty or one of political impotence. Take your pick.",50,2023-12-20 13:23:10 ke71wnl,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,Then that means Biden can legally tell folks to storm the capitol building,50,2023-12-20 16:16:42 ke7wx3v,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,People really take the Hitler/Trump comparisons too lightly. He’s fucking telling us. There are no more masks (literally or figuratively). Networks need to be built and the streets need to be filled and shit needs to change generations ago. There’s a lot to do.,50,2023-12-20 19:21:47 ke7ilem,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"Yes, this is democracy in crisis - you either have to vote for a 80 y o de-attached men that did nothing but politics in his life, or for 70 y o right-wing populist with an insurrection history. Neither can or is interested in re-distributing the ever-growing power of capital owners, or making gov system more representative or democratic. To be fair - other western countries are in a similar place, and most of ""developing"" world is now ruled either by soft-authoritarians or by actual authoritarians. We learned nothing from 20th-century history.",49,2023-12-20 17:56:34 ke78kiy,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"The government is voted on by people, and some people oddly gravitate toward voting for the worst possible candidates. They shoulder as much or more of the blame.",49,2023-12-20 16:57:00 ke6qvxh,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,Won’t the right wing stacked Supreme Court just shoot CO’s ban down?,48,2023-12-20 15:06:55 ke6nsk7,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"That's what happens when 20% of the population is in a cult, and have abandoned reality.",48,2023-12-20 14:46:03 ke80hgz,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,[deleted],48,2023-12-20 19:43:11 ke6icun,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"To be fair, he hasn’t been able to for decades so there’s no way to tell if the dementia has already begun or not.",47,2023-12-20 14:07:07 ke6jf52,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,[deleted],46,2023-12-20 14:15:01 ke83fu5,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,How do you not know that you’re being attacked with anthrax? Shouldn’t that go to the FBI?,45,2023-12-20 20:00:39 ke6m4uv,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"No, look at it this way. This sets a precedent where it becomes tit for tat now for every future election both parties will continue to arbitrarily ban nominees for whatever reason. It will accelerate collapse of this country to a 3rd world state which will not be like the movies mi amigo.",45,2023-12-20 14:34:29 ke95exv,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"The most hilarious thing about the Colorado Supreme Court ruling is that the lawsuit was put forth by republicans to keep Trump off the ballot. Not democrats. Republicans. Let that sink in for a moment. What’s scary though is that the RNC is blaming democrats.",44,2023-12-21 00:01:51 ke9g7jk,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"A person would have to be a fucking moron to actually send anthrax. My local city is a college town and a chemist student was making anthrax. The FBI rolled in, flopped their equipment around a 12 block radius like a big floppy dick, and the chemist is probably sitting in some hole in federal prison for the rest of his life. Edit: apparently it was only 4 square blocks. I just remembered feeling scared because I couldn't get home.",44,2023-12-21 01:18:06 ke92ezl,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"Think about all the money paid into it only to be told, screw you, and you better keep paying. I think that would definitely set it off",44,2023-12-20 23:40:51 ke6oxkt,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"Everything is political. Politics is never supposed to be boring, that decades-long sleepwalking since FDR put the American populace to sleep is the reason why neoliberals were able to have done the damage they’ve done in the first place.",43,2023-12-20 14:53:45 ke6zrh2,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"I hate everything about Trump and everything he stands for to my core, but you have encapsulated perfectly why both sides are complicit in this. ""Milquetoast neoliberal pseudo-progressive politics don't have shit on fascist rhetoric, and they know that."" A truer statement can't be found... Almost 2/3 of this country lives paycheck to paycheck. When you're struggling the way a lot of folks are, you simply are looking for the person who is offering what you perceive to be the easiest way out. And throughout all of human history, the easiest answers always require blaming someone else (which evolves into the fascist endgoal- the desire/need to cleanse those people from society) I want to see MAGA crushed as bad as anyone, and to be clear that is my only priority for the 2024 elections. But to your point, the fever will break with Trump bc all ideological movements like MAGA need a cult leader to animate and bind the group. But, the fascist undercurrents will still be there until and unless we address the very real needs the electorate is angry about.",43,2023-12-20 16:03:21 ke78cb0,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,[deleted],43,2023-12-20 16:55:37 ke72ddk,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,Or just that legal consequences don’t materialize for sufficiently powerful people which is not new.,42,2023-12-20 16:19:36 ke6xlw3,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,Life would be so much better if social media didn’t exist and every cable news company building got struck by lightning and burned down.,41,2023-12-20 15:49:58 ke74mp7,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"And a lot of us don't even want this stuff. It's all these crazies and War Dogs who can't accept ""No"" for an answer.",41,2023-12-20 16:33:29 ke6fd0e,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,Yep. Wanted to make a vague and apolitical civil war 😭,41,2023-12-20 13:44:23 ke81zme,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,The divisions are by design. Conservative hate media has been stoking the fires for years and I haven’t seen a republican propose anything that isn’t a a nonsense culture war issue for years.,41,2023-12-20 19:52:03 ke79b57,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,Fair. However the choices to vote for are extremely shitty and good people don't tend to gravitate towards getting involved in politics. It tends to be a network of wealthy families that get the best chance of making it into leadership positions.,41,2023-12-20 17:01:24 ke6z2ka,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"Scary, but true. FOX/CNN news have reached new levels of dramatization.",40,2023-12-20 15:59:00 ke6wi5b,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"The 2020 election happened in the midst of a global pandemic that upended just about everything in people's lives. An event like that puts people in a knife's edge. Whether they got laid off, or had to work as poorly payed ""essential employees"" or dealt with unrecognizable forced isolation or maybe saw a loved one succumb to the virus, the resulting stresses put many of us in a very desperate place. Society was a race car in the red. Then George Floyd was murdered... in the middle of the summer... in the height of a divisive election cycle. All of that made for a powder-keg that ignited. And I'm very concerned that the potential energy in that powder keg still exists in much of the country. Discourse between people has not improved. Many have picked their side politically and aren't even trying to talk to anybody who opposes them. Everyday we are exposed to de-humanizing rhetoric from one side towards the other. And economically, I don't feel many see their standard of living much improved in the 4 years since the last election. Inequality has only accelerated. I fear the 2024 election will just be a cause and resulting effect of what happens when the general populace increasingly becomes more desperate. Desperate people do desperate things. I fear some sort of event will be a catalyst like George Floyd was in 2020. A powder keg only requires a lit match.",40,2023-12-20 15:43:02 ke7e93q,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"Not only do good people not end up in politics, but generationally the same families and bloodlines tend be in or near power and some of them even manage to trick us into thinking we independently voted them in.",40,2023-12-20 17:30:51 ke6pqzn,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"I don't agree that every election has the potential to trigger mass civil unrest. That's a bothsides argument. The problem is with a minority of the minority party that represents a minority of Americans: the Republicans. They are explicitly calling for violence right now.",39,2023-12-20 14:59:17 ke6znlc,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"They are grooming paramilitaries, 100%. Months ago, I stopped in to grab lunch at a diner in a small Cascade mountain town. I noticed a flier on the community bulletin board for what was clearly a paramilitary organization of some sorts. They were recruiting adolescent boys, teenagers, etc. for weekly ""survival"" skill training. I cannot remember the exact wording but it definitely gave me Hitler youth vibes.",39,2023-12-20 16:02:40 ke7lk9l,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"This is misrepresenting the situation. Trump has actually done things to be left off the ballot. He’s very bad, toxic, and racist. He deserves to be left off while others don’t.",38,2023-12-20 18:14:13 ke75spc,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,The seeds were sown long ago. We’re almost at the fruiting stage.,37,2023-12-20 16:40:29 ke8f8e3,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"Yup. There's a popular mandate for fascism in the United States, and always has been. If Nazi Germany didn't expand so aggressively and force alliances to trigger, we would have got on like peas and carrots, we were an apartheid white supremacist society at the time and suppressed left wing movements just like them.",37,2023-12-20 21:11:38 ke7qmbh,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"It's the same thing we see with the Russian army right now. Those meat waves would be infinitely better off turning their rifles on the scumbags who are sending them to die in frozen mud holes in Ukraine,but instead they are so inundated with anti ukraine/nato propaganda that its all they can see. We aren't so different in this country. Don't mistake that statement as sympathetic to the Russians who are gleefully raping and killing children and any other civilian they can find. They have chosen the path of evil and they deserve everything that falls out of the sky and removes their limbs.",36,2023-12-20 18:44:13 ke8g4ca,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,Can't take away their jobs with a bullshit arrest if they're out of work anyway.,35,2023-12-20 21:17:00 ke81znc,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"were already there, look at the points you just listed and youll see they match reality in the US",34,2023-12-20 19:52:04 ke6lrgq,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"Yeah everyone forgets that Trump's packed supreme court gets the final say in this lol. Everything until then is just theater. Also who didn't see this coming? There is an argument to be made that he is disqualified under 14A, so now the people whose job it is to interpret the constitution will interpret the constitution.",34,2023-12-20 14:31:48 ke6pwbm,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,There was violence in 2020 and 2021 and ever since. From the Right.,33,2023-12-20 15:00:16 ke6md4v,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,Spend some time in the Inland Empire and it won't seem so far fetched. The reddest of rednecks I've ever seen when I lived about 90 minutes east of LA. They're batshit crazy.,33,2023-12-20 14:36:05 ke6rte9,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,I don’t consider the same two shitty “choices” much of a choice at all. People are basically forced to support a repugnant DNC pick at the threat of fascism or embrace a cult. Democracy is already lost.,31,2023-12-20 15:13:03 ke6q2ek,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,Correct. The violence of the Republican Party is not a fringe movement. It is well financed by Wall Street. The plutocracy wants a violent coup that ends democracy and forces fascist rule.,31,2023-12-20 15:01:25 ke8es45,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,We're also in the process of selling all our public infrastructure to oligarchs for pennies on the dollar.,31,2023-12-20 21:08:54 ke6hfoe,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"I mean, when it actually goes down it will be cities vs rural. The idea whole states would agree to fight for one side or another is history",31,2023-12-20 14:00:14 ke78vme,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,">All that's left to do is wait until the system tips over and a new equilibrium is found. I wish there was hope for a new and just equilibrium for all life on earth. But given the collapse of the biosphere, along with human induced alterations of the lithosphere, hydrosphere and atmosphere, I do not believe this is possible.",30,2023-12-20 16:58:51 ke78y8c,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,Look at how many guns are out and about in the USA. If the government ever fails this place will never recover,30,2023-12-20 16:59:17 ke77dgs,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"Many folks have said they’re going to abstain from voting for him due to his support of the genocide of Palestinians. I get it and hate the dems, but the gop is far worse. This country is about to learn a horrifying lesson.",30,2023-12-20 16:49:54 ke8dxyy,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,This whole country is a tinderbox. I see people going nuts all around me and the system moving towards dystopia. The election is just tinder on the fire....,29,2023-12-20 21:03:50 ke85km1,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,Hopefully Republicans are too sexist to vote for a woman,29,2023-12-20 20:13:28 ke8hi84,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"The CIA has been installing far right dictators for decades. The FBI's job pretty much since day 1 was suppressing left wing speech. Coups rarely are bottom up, they're launched from a faction of insiders at the top.",29,2023-12-20 21:25:25 ke6kzut,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,Calling Alex Garland a propagandist is weird and completely false...,27,2023-12-20 14:26:17 ke6ktvb,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,There are a million ways that it could play out that way. I don't know why people keep saying this.,26,2023-12-20 14:25:07 ke728v8,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,[deleted],25,2023-12-20 16:18:48 ke7x7ej,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,The Democratic Party fucking sucks. They’ve squandered so many opportunities (likely by design).,25,2023-12-20 19:23:29 ke714v4,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,This is a sad fact I’ve been realizing. The world we’ve created is moving too quickly to wait on democratic decisions. Much faster and more efficient to disregard the will of the people and just make governing decisions. I think this is a big reason we are seeing democracy decline worldwide.,25,2023-12-20 16:11:55 ke7poam,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"We see the lines, but not the direction they lead",25,2023-12-20 18:38:38 ke6n0rr,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,Which clown? lol. Our choice is between two senile old men who should be in nursing homes. It’s a shitshow.,24,2023-12-20 14:40:42 ke7ovn9,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,For now. Once food becomes a serious problem politics tend to change rapidly and radical ideas get shoved up to the forefront for potential solutions.,24,2023-12-20 18:33:53 ke7z2lp,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"It certainly doesn’t help that America is one of the only places in the world where judges are appointed based upon their political leanings. You even have fucking elections to appoint judges, it’s insane.",24,2023-12-20 19:34:44 ke7yfzs,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"Yes, I agree. That's beside the point though. Plenty of people, including politicians, believe that Joe Biden is a treasonous, corrupt, Satanic pedophile. Let's say they decide to remove him from their ballots- legally or illegally. If enough towns, counties, and states do this, it'll bog down the courts and completely fuck our already fragile electoral system.",24,2023-12-20 19:30:58 ke9jg5m,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"I *want* to believe that, but as we've quickly seen after summer 2020, and even during the protests, most people don't particularly care about Black lives or police brutality since they're not affected by it or even believe us when we mention incidents, and were only out because their usual dives were closed and they needed attention on social media. People were back to the same idiotic belief that police are protecting us within weeks, and gaslighting those of us who are still affected.",24,2023-12-21 01:40:26 ke7q8qm,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"2024 as a whole is going to be the worst year we've seen maybe ever. I've told everyone I know to make sure they enjoy the holidays because once that calendar turns to 2024, it's all over. You're going to see stuff that you never thought you would. Make sure you got your plans together and stay safe because no one can tell you they know what's going to go down. I expect the shit to hit the fan, early and often.",23,2023-12-20 18:41:59 ke6hxs4,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"News flash we're getting the clown. As impossible as that sounds. Did you ever think we'd be in a position where we're seriously discussing the topic that the mods just locked? I rest my case.",23,2023-12-20 14:04:01 ke6hmhd,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,Not to mention this really just forces SCOTUS to decide,23,2023-12-20 14:01:39 ke7733k,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,Malcolm X was spot-on about the white liberal.,23,2023-12-20 16:48:11 ke7500p,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"What an adorably naive worldview you have. Yep. They sure are trying. Democrats wake up every day just itching to help out the common man. And when absolutely nothing changes or is accomplished...well gosh darn it we TRIED..but the OTHER side just wouldn't work with us. Oh well.",23,2023-12-20 16:35:42 ke6u8v5,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"There are people within California that align more with how you described Texas. If they and military leaders stationed in California (that also hold the same views) took control of the state then there it is. This is not even considering corporate interests in the south of the state changing their ideological tune when profit is threatened. Not saying that is what happens in the movie just providing a possible explanation. Also possible it goes the other way, there are more Democrat voters in Texas than there are Republican.",23,2023-12-20 15:28:40 ke7bmr1,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,I'm with you. I absolutely detest the democrats since Clinton completed the selling out of the working class for corporate interests. But republicans are just anathema..,23,2023-12-20 17:15:18 ke6lgoe,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,What a naive thing to say. The problems we are facing today have nothing to do with some people not voting and forcing people to vote for politicians that they don't trust or believe in certainly isn't a democracy.,22,2023-12-20 14:29:38 ke945db,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"No. There will be protests for sure, and they’ll be violent. But it will end up like the 2020 protests, with no real change to the system. Cancelling social security just isn’t enough to get millions of people willing to risk their lives and freedom in a violent revolution.",22,2023-12-20 23:52:56 ke937p1,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"America needs to switch to an approval ballot where you make your mark beside every candidate who is an acceptable choice. The candidate with the most approvals wins the election. This biases towards candidates who best represent the views of the greatest portion of the voting population, which is kind of the idea behind democracy in the first place.",21,2023-12-20 23:46:26 ke87fh3,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,I’ll be honest I’m actually nervous about even going to vote in person because of the fucking crazies who might shoot the damn places up.,21,2023-12-20 20:24:36 ke9aifm,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"*""Every accusation is a confession...""*",21,2023-12-21 00:37:56 ke7g31t,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,Why are you assuming that every state will just be able to get factual court decisions that their opposing politicans engaged in insurrection?,21,2023-12-20 17:41:47 ke6vg4k,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"They will if in power soon target the rich to steal their assets. First those that have fallen out of favor, but soon enough under any pretext for the purpose of stealing assets. They will cooperate with parasitical forces in our economy no doubt to target our productive companies, the resulting economic fall out will be blamed on their scapegoats, and those new scapegoats will be targeted.",21,2023-12-20 15:36:22 ke7h76h,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"one side is becoming openly authoritarian and working actively to dehumanize me based on my sexuality and religious leaning, while heavily implying they are ok with things like death squads and ethnic cleansing in order to do this and consolidate power. the other side is actively trying to disarm me in the face of this threat, implying I should entrust my safety and well being to a corrupt police force which sees themselves as separate from the citizens they are charged with protecting, who operate like a gang, and is frequently infiltrated by authoritarians. fuck em both.",21,2023-12-20 17:48:23 ke72q6t,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"I'll hold my nose and vote for Biden if I have to, but he's a war-mongering neo-liberal",21,2023-12-20 16:21:47 ke78bod,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"Something people need to realize, and I know I am gonna take some flack here, but try and look at it objectively. There are a lot of people who want Trump. A shit ton. Not half of the country perhaps, but pretty damn close. Otherwise, the polls would not be what they are. Otherwise, the threat of his possible re-election would not be a viable one. They can be wrong. All of them who support Trump could be wrong, and maybe even evil. That's not for me to say, I hate all politicians equally. I actually *look forward* to the system burning down every day. If I was religious and had a daily prayer, that would be it. ""God, please burn this motherfucker to the ground today. Amen."" But those Trump supporters who voted in 2016 and 2020, that is tens of millions of people who want a certain thing, a certain way of life. And trying to deny them the opportunity to express that desire by voting invalidates the entire concept of free and fair elections. It isn't a group of a few hundred thugs trying to do some criminal shit. It is a *large portion of the national population.* Murder is wrong. But if enough people want it to be legal, and will vote for that, then it must be allowed. Right and wrong have never had anything to do with legality. By trying to use other means besides voting to prevent a vote from taking place, you are effectively robbing those millions of people of their political voice and their right to self-determination. We had a taste of that once. When a large portion of the population wanted some stupid shit and the majority didn't want them to have it. The political processes at the time are irrelevant, because we have a name for that time. We call it the Civil War. So, even though I am not a fan of our system in general, I say let them vote for whoever they want. Don't we hate it when green party candidates get scratched off the tickets? So, let 'em all run. Unimpeded. Let all the voices be heard, and let the numbers decide, and if we have to fight over it after, then let it be *after* we tried it the democratic way. Yeah, electing Trump may be the straw that breaks the camels back, it may plunge the world into chaos and destruction... but if that is what people vote for, then that is the process we agreed to.",20,2023-12-20 16:55:30 ke8310a,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"For what's it's worth, I did some number crunching awhile back to try and get a sense of this very issue, i.e., how much of a minority are Trump supporters? I define 'Trump supporter' as anyone who'll cast a vote for him, as that is the acid test: if you help elect him. To address this question, you have to jettison the whole political party framing: it's not useful. Better to just consider people as voters. So, in theory, **there were about 229,247,182 eligible voters in 2020**. (This is a broad figure that includes people who actually cannot vote -- mentally or psychologically disabled, prisoners, those disqualified by criminal records, those who fell off the registers for some reason, etc. Those who fall into such categories end up non-voters, but not necessarily because they're apathetic or unwilling to vote.) So, out of this pool, here's how people voted: Candidate | Votes Cast / Not Cast | Percentage ---|---|---- Biden | 81,283,485 | 35.46% Trump | 74,223,744 | 32.38% Did not vote | 73,739,953 | 32.17% Even in a critical election, only about two thirds of eligible U.S. voters went to the polls. Of the third who did not vote, the vast majority were non-voters by choice: they simply could not be bothered to vote. Of the voters, **47.73% voted for the fascist, Trump**. **This means we saved the country by a mere 4.54% vote margin.** What does this mean? For me, it suggests that it's important to understand the third who did not vote, and it underscores that we will be fighting a life-or-death battle to preserve democracy, the Constitution, rule of law, etc., every election for the foreseeable future. As a democracy our biggest challenge is how many potential voters are too disillusioned/apathetic to vote. That's who the Dems should focus on motivating. Stacey Abrams did that in Georgie, and delivered two Democratic Senators. (Imagine a world in which she failed!) **Upshot: Trump supporters may technically be a minority, but that's not meaningful against the backdrop of the current political landscape and our electorate.**",20,2023-12-20 19:58:11 ke70ywy,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"*Continue* to arbitrarily ban? Are you saying that the move in Colorado is arbitrary? I mean, feel free to disagree with the decision, but don’t call it arbitrary. It’s based on a plausible argument.",20,2023-12-20 16:10:52 ke6xiom,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"My fear is that people will blame Biden for inflation and rising housing costs (as if it’s not happening everywhere) and will not be motivated enough to vote, even after seeing through disaster of Trump in office. People are short-sighted and understandably disenfranchised.",20,2023-12-20 15:49:25 ke9k0l8,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"it was me. i wrote it. i'm here, on reddit, reading your approval. tysm.",20,2023-12-21 01:44:23 ke8i85g,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"They've been trying to get their hands on social security for decades. If they ever succeed, whoosh, that will be the quick end of that as well. It's why they always use defeated language when talking about it. According to the thieves it's both hopeless and undeserved. As if the people didn't pay for it with every paycheck. Fucking lowlifes.",20,2023-12-20 21:29:47 ke98ama,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"As a non-american, I personally enjoy US elections. The level of coverage is maybe a bit high, though it is of international significance so perhaps warranted. But what I enjoy is the absolutely madness, the comically polarising statements, the blatant incompetence, the straight faced lies, the random nonsensical sentences, all of it. It's hilarious, though perhaps a little depressing, to have so much proof that that best candidate cannot be elected in the US system. Now perhaps my country's system is literally the same, and our elected leaders certainly don't seem too much better than what the US gets. But our election campaigns are nowhere near as entertaining.",19,2023-12-21 00:22:10 ke6lz9w,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"All in all, I think Americans are a lot of bark and not a lot of bite. Yeah a few crazies have and will get some punches in, but a lot of the Jan 6 folks were just people who spend way too much time online. Their reactions to being prosecuted says a lot....they're delusional.",19,2023-12-20 14:33:23 ke7mmny,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,This is the plot of the Stephen King story The Running Man.,19,2023-12-20 18:20:33 ke6r9n2,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,Lefties that supported Joe before the Israel fiasco arn’t really lefties.,19,2023-12-20 15:09:25 ke87ydf,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,What if social security gets cancelled?,19,2023-12-20 20:27:46 ke7o6eb,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,'Do you want your abuse with lube or without?',19,2023-12-20 18:29:40 ke7qe16,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,💯,19,2023-12-20 18:42:52 ke9dq4d,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,Everything about our system is horribly broken. The system is due for major disruption. We get 2 rich elderly jokers to choose from every 4 years while money & lobbying make the actual decisions that matter and affect us all.,18,2023-12-21 01:00:46 ke6hgz3,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"Political cruelty or political impotence - nice turn of phrase - I’m definitely using that, thanks!!!",18,2023-12-20 14:00:30 ke71hak,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,Art often serves as a canary in the coal mine. I don’t think it’s propaganda as much as a warning sign of potential things to come.,17,2023-12-20 16:14:03 ke713pq,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,I think you meant 45%,17,2023-12-20 16:11:43 ke6ochv,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,[deleted],17,2023-12-20 14:49:50 ke7isdp,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,Not really because we are heading for authoritarianism combined with acceleration-capitalism,17,2023-12-20 17:57:42 ke9xnfi,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,[deleted],17,2023-12-21 03:20:59 ke89hme,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,At least the corpse has a ❤️.,16,2023-12-20 20:37:02 ke7oe93,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,Between the Floyd protests and Jan 6 we already have sectarian violence in our recent history.,16,2023-12-20 18:30:59 ke72qpr,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,they absolutely will of course,16,2023-12-20 16:21:53 ke6o92q,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"Oh, I'm not saying it is a good idea. I'm just pointing out that with the US electoral vote, winner-take-all system it would make no difference in the end result. I do not see our current decline in political civility turning around. Our current level of polarization will probably last well past collapse and into ""still resentful about the Civil War"" territory.",16,2023-12-20 14:49:12 ke86ggn,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,It will probably balkanize. The experiment will be over.,16,2023-12-20 20:18:47 ke7rc4x,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"Instead of foreign support it will be a free for all mass looting by every nation that can land a ship or plane on us soil. Pretty sure our enemies are coiled and ready to strike if Trump wins, which will almost certainly blast us into collapse. If they are about to implement even a fraction of what they have planned in writing, this nation is finished.",16,2023-12-20 18:48:28 ke72nr0,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"During the race riots I heard of flyers here in Michigan people were spreading around town (in the homeowner sections of town naturally not mine renter section,) recruiting people to protect their communities. Incidentally it's a good idea to organize, but these yahoos were surely working for the bad guys not organizing to protect voting officials or whatnot. I remember in your neck of the woods in 2020 with those wildfires near the Cascades the Right were blaming Antifas for it and some dumbass militia set up road blocks to check for those malign Antifas.",16,2023-12-20 16:21:23 ke8vmhs,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,The 1% are doing better than ever and that’s all what counts…,16,2023-12-20 22:54:29 ke7qmru,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"I'm an election worker in Georgia. I started last year, so well after the 2020 election. I'm definitely going to be more vigilant in these upcoming elections, but ultimately I'm still worried about the possibility of violence.",15,2023-12-20 18:44:18 ke6hnr3,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"Al Jazeera's investigations had a thing about Labor's conservatives purging the Corbyn (I think his name was,) and left from the party based on this massive leak of internal party documents that I found illuminating. Their main tool was (clearly mostly bad faith,) anti-semitism accusations, and the Jewish people in the party were several times more likely to be purged for anti-semitism than the gentiles even. They had selective enforcement of rules and straight up knowing false allegations they made stick anyway. It's the same thing across the West, the left is absent from politics and has been co-opted by business that is too greedy in the short-term to save their own long term future.",15,2023-12-20 14:01:54 ke79yrs,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"If Biden fairly loses the election and then orders his followers to storm the Capitol in an effort to overturn the results, I will wholeheartedly support his removal from future ballots.",15,2023-12-20 17:05:19 ke7wfks,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"The issue is the government, but unfortunately Trump has successfully convinced some folks that HE’S the one who can fix the government. I remember that swamp he drained as if it were only SOMETHING THAT NEVER HAPPENED.",15,2023-12-20 19:18:53 ke7mrx4,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"i feel this way often, but strongly recommend finding at least a little bit of hopium. if we don’t find small ways to make things better for those of us around us and in our community, or have an small hope for the future, what’s the point? i recommended ‘Poetry is not a Luxury” by Audre Lorde",15,2023-12-20 18:21:23 ke71r82,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,And yet more true than ever. One side is a slow steady collapse and the other is maybe a quicker one. It’s coming one way or another it’s just if you want to accelerate it. No politicians in the US have your interests at heart unless you are a wall street financier,15,2023-12-20 16:15:46 ke6txao,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,California has more republicans than Texas…,15,2023-12-20 15:26:37 ke7s267,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,Personally I have zero problem supporting the candidate that isn't going to put me in a gas oven. I wish cis people felt the same.,14,2023-12-20 18:52:43 ke898cr,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"They won't even move cannabis from a Schedule I to a Schedule II, something they have unique power for. The war on drugs is too profitable for the real masters.",14,2023-12-20 20:35:31 ke70iss,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,30% of voters is like 50 million people. If only 1% of those are ready to 'go to war' that is still 500k people. Sure they are spread thin across the nation but 500k people is an army... These people need to be taken seriously.,14,2023-12-20 16:08:06 ke71zjd,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,[deleted],14,2023-12-20 16:17:12 ke71roi,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,">Politics is supposed to be boring. Not a circus. Our two options are an obese, orange clown or a demented corpse. You know, it's almost unfathomable to imagine that both a rock and a hard place can jump a shark, but, god damn America, you pulled it off somehow!",13,2023-12-20 16:15:51 ke6qadj,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,[deleted],13,2023-12-20 15:02:54 ke8ru2n,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,[removed],13,2023-12-20 22:29:49 ke853as,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"Hitler is now alleged to have suffered from long term Syphillis, with headache, chills, tremors. Other historical diagnostics include schizoaffective disorder and a possibility of Huntington's and Parkinsons. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_of_Adolf_Hitler By 1938 he also had a severe *prescription drug use",13,2023-12-20 20:10:34 ke6zauw,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,[deleted],13,2023-12-20 16:00:26 ke7avq2,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,Only in the short term,13,2023-12-20 17:10:49 ke6nt9i,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"You're right. Come to think of it, I can't see any reason why a pro-regulation, pro-choice, anti-gun state couldn't get together with an anti-regulation, anti-choice, pro-gun state to engage in a military insurrection against a President that one of those two states helped put into office. Thanks for setting me straight on that.",13,2023-12-20 14:46:11 ke7zy5c,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"The Colorado ruling today was brought by petitioners including the Republican Party of Colorado to determine the Colorado Republican Party primary ballot - it is not both sides, in this case, it is one side (the Republican Party) that has a field of opponents that have a scale of what they want to put forward for their party based on election ineligibility.",12,2023-12-20 19:39:59 ke7xi2n,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,">All that's left to do is wait until the system tips over and a new equilibrium is found. On the one hand I see what you're saying, and on the other hand I think this is an absurd view. Prior conditions influence, if not completely determine, following conditions. So just waiting and hoping that the future will somehow be better after some collapse, rather than improving things in the present so that the future will also be better, is absurd to me in a lot of ways.",12,2023-12-20 19:25:17 ke6qa25,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,Bothsides arguments are so very tedious.,12,2023-12-20 15:02:51 kebpbm5,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"Florida is about to do the same under DeSantis. As someone who is legally trained, I think this is fucking nuts. The Federal government exists to regulate such things. I expect SCOTUS to clear up this whole matter in a few weeks and everything will go to a lesser tension mindset.",12,2023-12-21 14:13:46 ke8f712,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,Don't forget that after the collapse we will be wide open for takeover by another shittier country. It's not like when the govt stops our resources disappear.,12,2023-12-20 21:11:24 ke6u8v6,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,My favorite character like that lives in Oregon on the way to Crater Lake from Klamath Falls. Dude's whole house is signs. He loves trump and hates just about everything. He even has beef with the National Park Service. It's wild,12,2023-12-20 15:28:40 ke86ykn,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"""They won't even admit the knife is there"" always resonates for me.",12,2023-12-20 20:21:47 kea3vh9,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"I actually think November 2024 comes and goes quietly. The Orange One will be shuffled away and out of consideration very soon, leaving a void for the opposing party to rally behind. Biden gets re-elected fairly easily. But, afterwards, when no re-election is at stake, is when the gloves come off. The last three times we had a two-termer going out, (‘00, ‘08, and ‘16), that changing of the guard had a lot of drama. 2008 was an economic apocalypse. 2000 stayed tied up in courts for weeks. 2016 seemed to just outright *change* Americans.",11,2023-12-21 04:09:00 ke7ldz1,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,What the GOP gun nuts don't know is that the minute an authoritarian govt takes over the first thing they do is take everyone's guns away including the ones who put them in power.,11,2023-12-20 18:13:11 ke88frj,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"Yep we're fucked. See all the predictive programming like ""Civil War"" and ""Leave the World Behind"" movies. The world's a stage. This has been coming for a long time. It's been lifetimes worth of work to get the world to this point, and they always tell you exactly what they are doing if you care to listen and observe. ​ But also- we get to choose whether we play along. Shit's going to get a lot more chaotic before anything stabilizes or gets better. I don't think it will be a fun time for most of us, but don't let them convince you you have no agency.",11,2023-12-20 20:30:40 ke8gken,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"They used up the nation's supply of tear gas in 2020, PDs ran through their whole stock.",11,2023-12-20 21:19:42 ke7vhcf,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"Jeremy Corbyn was the only politians I'd heard in my entire adult life that said the shit I wanted a politian to say. A voice for the working class. Hated greedy corporations and billionaires. Wanted to borrow a lot of money and *gasp* invest in public services, and invest in renewable energy and make the UK a leader in pushing science and R&D. Generally labelled a socialist, the guy was a danger to the status quo. It's a still a murky subject to talk about, his name is too politically toxic to mention, and Tories still jab at the Labour leader Starmer that he used to work for the guy, like it's some kind of *gotcha.* It really feels like that was the shot, you know? The lefts big chance to take power and implement some really significant changes. But now it's as you say, the left is gone from politics",11,2023-12-20 19:13:04 ke8kyo7,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"It may be unclear until you look at their website. Or read what many Dems say. Generally they are less morally bankrupt and doing more for the environment and education for instance. Whereas the republicans want businesses to be able to put anything into rivers, and public schools to go away. Not to mention lock up gays and immigrants.",11,2023-12-20 21:46:27 ke74wso,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"That's how it always goes. Simply because they won't admit their own abuse. It's always somebody else's fault.",11,2023-12-20 16:35:10 ke8qtk3,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,[removed],11,2023-12-20 22:23:18 ke86knj,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"It's a myth that fascism is neccessarily more ""efficient"": https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/loco-motive/",11,2023-12-20 20:19:29 ke7iccg,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"I've been saying this. If Trump wins, chaos. If Trump loses, chaos.",10,2023-12-20 17:55:05 ke6l9pt,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,Genocide Joe has lost everybody on the left over his support of Israel.,10,2023-12-20 14:28:16 ke9um7y,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"""Everyone wants to own the end of the world"" - Don DeLillo, (Book: White Noise, 1985)",10,2023-12-21 02:58:56 ke8d1h5,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"Whether Biden is detached or not, it’s the people surrounding the guy at the top who are even more important. Do you either have smart people, some of whom even have morals, or you have complete idiots who care about nothing but being part of Drumpf’s gang.",10,2023-12-20 20:58:24 ke6gm2h,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"Not really true, most states only let party members vote in primaries—Trump would win blue states too.",10,2023-12-20 13:53:58 ke7vkxq,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,I agree with what you said. I also think there should be processess to prevent oligarchical insurerrectional facist from rising to the top,10,2023-12-20 19:13:40 ke73cv6,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"That's your prerogative of course, but as a framework, it doesn't intersect with material reality. As late stage capitalism approaches a terminal point where all wealth is concentrated in the hands of a tiny minority, any party that maintains the status quo is encouraging violence. Violence is to be expected from those facing a future of deprivation and meaningless wage slavery.",10,2023-12-20 16:25:40 ke7gro1,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"I'm pretty sure a state doesn't take this decision lightly. Trump has broken an election law written in the Constitution, it's a clear cut case",10,2023-12-20 17:45:51 ke7g5gg,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"Thank goodness he had the courage to criticize Bibi for massacring civilians while bypassing congressional rules to shovel even more weapons and money into Bibi's hands to do it with. Biden rhetorically distances himself from it and that is sufficient to earn libs' praise. That's honestly pretty damn sad.",10,2023-12-20 17:42:11 ke9uyfn,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,Watching the Portland Antifa siege of the federal building via livestream was wild. Feds boarded it up and shot tear gas out of gunny holes. A week in they were supported by moms with swim goggles and dads with leaf blowers blowing back the tear gas.,10,2023-12-21 03:01:24 ke7inxy,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"Isolating your nation and degrading every corner of it through corruption bound on hate. What could go wrong?",10,2023-12-20 17:56:59 ke786kq,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,Tedious? What does your comment even mean? Both sides ARE shit shows. You get to vote for corporate elitist A or corporate elitist B. Either way YOU are fucked. Get back to work you fucking slave.,10,2023-12-20 16:54:39 ke8nk5w,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"That's kind of part of my point. If Republican towns, cities, states, whatever decide that it's their right to remove Biden from the ballot, and they're denied the ability to do so, they may choose to reject the whole system. Maybe they print and issue their own illegal ballots, which of course would be thrown out by the federal government, which would feed into the ""rigged election"" narrative, which in turn makes the whole situation. It's a cycle of disinformation and political vitriol that I don't see a way out of.",10,2023-12-20 22:02:35 ke8un3m,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"There won’t be another civil war in America. The jan 6th riots came thisclose to decapitating the government but they couldn’t pull it off because they were too old, sick fat, disorganized, cowardly etc. they suck. They’re not doing shit.",9,2023-12-20 22:48:08 ke71x7a,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,From Colorado. I'm not looking forward to November when it comes; I'm truly wondering if this is the beginning of something much darker on the horizon.,9,2023-12-20 16:16:48 ke7lcff,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,"I mean to be fair… that “corpse” has done quite a bit of good. Was not my first choice but compared to trump, he’s an angel lol. In 2022 alone, Biden and Dems did the following: • ⁠passed the Inflation Reduction Act, the biggest investment in fighting climate change in history • ⁠passed the bipartisan infrastructure bill, the largest investment in infrastructure since Eisenhower • ⁠passed the Bipartisan Safer Communities Act, breaking a 30-year streak of federal inaction on gun violence legislation • ⁠signed the CHIPS and Science Act into law • ⁠took out the leader of al Qaeda • ⁠ended America's longest war • ⁠reauthorized and strengthened the Violence Against Women Act • ⁠signed the PACT Act, a bill to address veteran burn pit exposure • ⁠signed the NATO accession protocols for Sweden and Finland • ⁠issued executive order to protect reproductive rights • ⁠in the process of canceling $10,000 of student loan debt for borrowers making less than $125,000 and canceled $20,000 in debt for Pell Grant recipients • ⁠canceled billions in student loan debt for borrowers who were defrauded • ⁠nominated now-Supreme Court Associate Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson to replace Justice Breyer • ⁠brought COVID under control in the U.S. (e.g., COVID deaths down 90% and over 220 million vaccinated) • ⁠formed Monkeypox response team to reach communities at highest risk of contracting the virus • ⁠unemployment at a 50-year low • ⁠largest one-year deficit reduction in U.S. history • ⁠limited the release of mercury from coal-burning power plants • ⁠$5 billion for electric vehicle chargers- $119 billion budget surplus in January 2022, first in over two years • ⁠united world against Russia’s war in Ukraine • ⁠ended forced arbitration in workplace sexual assault cases • ⁠reinstated California authority to set pollution standards for cars • ⁠ended asylum restrictions for children traveling alone • ⁠signed the Emmett Till Anti-Lynching Act, the first federal ban on lynching after 200 failed attempts • ⁠Initiated “use it or lose it"" policy for drilling on public lands to force oil companies to increase production • ⁠released 1 million barrels of oil a day for 6 months from strategic reserves to ease gas prices • ⁠rescinded Trump-era policy allowing rapid expulsion of migrants • ⁠expunged student loan defaults • ⁠overhauled USPS finances to allow the agency to modernize its service • ⁠required federal dollars spent on infrastructure to use materials made in America • ⁠restored environmental reviews for major infrastructure projects • ⁠Launched $6 billion effort to save distressed nuclear plants • ⁠provided $385 million to help families and individuals with home energy costs through the Low Income Home Energy Assistance Program. (This is in addition to $4.5 billion provided in the American Rescue Plan.) • ⁠national registry of police officers who are fired for misconduct • ⁠tightened restrictions on chokeholds, no-knock warrants, and transfer of military equipment to police departments • ⁠required all federal law enforcement officers to wear body cameras • ⁠$265 million for South Florida reservoir, key component of Everglades restoration • ⁠major wind farm project off West coast to provide electricity for 1.5 million homes • ⁠continued Obama administration's practice of posting log records of visitors to White House • ⁠devoted $2.1 billion to strengthen US food supply chain • ⁠invoked Defense Production Act to rapidly expand domestic production of critical clean energy technologies • ⁠enacted two-year pause of anti-circumvention tariffs on solar • ⁠allocated funds to federal agencies to counter 300-plus anti-LGBTQ laws by state lawmakers in 2022 • ⁠relaunched cancer 'moonshot' initiative to help cut death rate • ⁠expanded access to emergency contraception and long-acting reversible contraception • ⁠prevented states from banning Mifepristone, a medication used to end early pregnancy that has FDA approval • ⁠21 executive actions to reduce gun violence • ⁠Climate Smart Buildings Initiative: Creates public-private partnerships to modernize Federal buildings to meet agencies’ missions, create good-paying jobs, and cut greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions • ⁠Paying for today’s needed renovations with tomorrow’s energy savings without requiring upfront taxpayer funding • ⁠ended Trump-era “Remain in Mexico” policy • ⁠Operation Fly-Formula, bringing needed baby formula (19 missions to date) • ⁠executive order protecting travel for abortion • ⁠invested more in crime control and prevention than any president in history • ⁠provided death, disability, and education benefits to public safety officers and survivors who are killed or injured in the line of duty • ⁠Reunited 500 migrant families separated under Trump • ⁠$1.66 billion in grants to transit agencies, territories, and states to invest in 150 bus fleets and facilities • ⁠brokered joint US/Mexico infrastructure project; Mexico to pay $1.5 billion for US border security • ⁠blocked 4 hospital mergers that would've driven up prices and is poised to thwart more anti-competition consolidation attempts • ⁠11 million jobs—more than ever created before at this point of a presidency • ⁠record small business creation • ⁠banned paywalls on taxpayer-funded research • ⁠best economic growth record since Clinton • ⁠eliminated civil statute of limitations for child abuse victims • ⁠announced $156 million for America's first-of-its-kind critical minerals refinery, demonstrating the commercial viability of turning mine waste into clean energy technology.",9,2023-12-20 18:12:55 ke6r91m,18mmkiu,I feel like the 2024 election is going to be a worse dumpster fire than 2020 (United States).,The repubs are going to pull all the stops to fuck America.,9,2023-12-20 15:09:19