diff --git "a/validation.csv" "b/validation.csv" new file mode 100644--- /dev/null +++ "b/validation.csv" @@ -0,0 +1,101223 @@ +text;labels;labeled_mask +"Subject: Space FAQ 02/15 - Network Resources +From: leech@cs.unc.edu (Jon Leech) +Expires: 6 May 1993 19:54:26 GMT +Organization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill +Keywords: Frequently Asked Questions +Supersedes: +NNTP-Posting-Host: mahler.cs.unc.edu +Lines: 241 + +Archive-name: space/net +Last-modified: $Date: 93/04/01 14:39:15 $ + +NETWORK RESOURCES + +OVERVIEW + + You may be reading this document on any one of an amazing variety of + computers, so much of the material below may not apply to you. In + general, however, systems connected to 'the net' fall in one of three + categories: Internet, Usenet, or BITNET. Electronic mail may be sent + between these networks, and other resources available on one of these + networks are sometimes accessible from other networks by email sent to + special 'servers'. + + The space and astronomy discussion groups actually are composed of + several mechanisms with (mostly) transparent connections between them. + + One mechanism is the mailing list, in which mail is sent to a central + distribution point which relays it to all recipients of the list. In + addition to the general lists for space (called SPACE Digest for + Internet users, and SPACE on BITNET), there are a number of more + specialized mailing lists described below. + + A second mechanism is Usenet 'netnews'. This is somewhat like a bulletin + board operating on each system which is a part of the net. Netnews + separates contributions into hundreds of different categories based on a + 'group name'. The groups dealing most closely with space topics are + called 'sci.space.news', 'sci.space', 'sci.space.shuttle', 'sci.astro', + and 'talk.politics.space'. Contributors 'post' submissions (called + 'articles' in netnews terminology) on their local machine, which sends + it to other nearby machines. Similarly, articles sent from nearby + machines are stored locally and may be forwarded to other systems, so + that an article is posted locally and eventually reaches all the Usenet + sites interested in receiving the news group to which the article was + posted. + + Gateway machines redirect the Usenet sci.space group into Internet and + BITNET mailing lists and vice versa; the other Usenet groups are not + accessible as mailing lists. If you can receive netnews, its more + flexible interface and access to a wider range of material usually make + it the preferred option. + +MAILING LISTS + + SPACE Digest is the main Internet list, and is now being run by the + International Space University (in only its second change of management + in over a decade). Email space-request@isu.isunet.edu (message body + should be in the format 'subscribe space John Public') to join. Note + that the moderated SPACE Magazine list is defunct at present for lack of + a moderator. Old copies of SPACE Digest since its inception in 1981 are + available by anonymous FTP. Retrieve + julius.cs.qub.ac.uk:pub/SpaceDigestArchive/README + for further details. + + Elements is a moderated list for fast distribution of Space Shuttle + Keplerian Elements before and during Shuttle flights. NASA two line + elements are sent out on the list from Dr. Kelso, JSC, and other sources + as they are released. Email to elements-request@telesoft.com to join. + + GPS Digest is a moderated list for discussion of the Global Positioning + System and other satellite navigation positioning systems. Email to + gps-request@esseye.si.com to join. + + Space-investors is a list for information relevant to investing in + space-related companies. Email Vincent Cate (vac@cs.cmu.edu) to join. + + Space-tech is a list for more technical discussion of space topics; + discussion has included esoteric propulsion technologies, asteroid + capture, starflight, orbital debris removal, etc. Email to + space-tech-request@cs.cmu.edu to join. Archives of old digests and + selected excerpts are available by anonymous FTP from + gs80.sp.cs.cmu.edu (128.2.205.90) in /usr/anon/public/space-tech, + or by email to space-tech-request if you don't have FTP access. + + SEDS-L is a BITNET list for members of Students for the Exploration and + Development of Space and other interested parties. Email + LISTSERV@TAMVM1.BITNET with a message saying ""SUBSCRIBE SEDS-L your + name"". Email saying ""INDEX SEDS-L"" to list the archive contents. + + SEDSNEWS is a BITNET list for news items, press releases, shuttle status + reports, and the like. This duplicates material which is also found in + Space Digest, sci.space, sci.space.shuttle, and sci.astro. Email + LISTSERV@TAMVM1.BITNET saying ""SUBSCRIBE SEDSNEWS your name"" to join. + Email saying ""INDEX SEDSNEWS"" to list the archive contents. + + Ron Baalke (baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov) runs a mailing list which + carries the contents of the sci.space.news Usenet group. Email him + to join the list. + + As a general note, please mail to the *request* address to get off a + mailing list. SPACE Digest, for example, relays many inappropriate + 'please remove me from this list' messages which are sent to the list + address rather than the request address. + +PERIODICALLY UPDATED INFORMATION + + In addition to this FAQ list, a broad variety of topical information is + posted to the net (unless otherwise noted, in the new group + sci.space.news created for this purpose). Please remember that the + individuals posting this information are performing a service for all + net readers, and don't take up their time with frivolous requests. + + ACRONYMS + Garrett Wollman (wollman@UVM.EDU) posts an acronym list around the + first of each month. + + ASTRO-FTP LIST + Veikko Makela (veikko.makela@helsinki.fi) posts a monthly list of + anonymous FTP servers containing astronomy and space related + material to sci.space and sci.astro. + + AVIATION WEEK + Henry Spencer (henry@zoo.toronto.edu) posts summaries of + space-related stories in the weekly _Aviation Week and Space + Technology_. + + BUYING TELESCOPES + Ronnie Kon (ronnie@cisco.com) posts a guide to buying telescopes to + sci.astro. + + ELECTRONIC JOURNAL OF THE ASA + Don Barry (don@chara.gsu.edu) posts the monthly Electronic Journal + of the Astronomical Society of the Atlantic to sci.astro. + + FLIGHT INTERNATIONAL + Swaraj Jeyasingh (sjeyasin@axion.bt.co.uk) posts summaries of + space-related news from _Flight International_. This focuses more on + non-US space activities than Aviation Week. + + LARGE ASTRONOMICAL PROJECTS + Robert Bunge (rbunge@access.digex.com) posts a list describing many + ""Large Telescope Projects Either Being Considered or in the Works"" + to sci.astro. + + NASA HEADLINE NEWS & SHUTTLE REPORTS + Peter Yee (yee@ames.arc.nasa.gov) posts a variety of NASA material, + including NASA Headline News (with the schedule for NASA SELECT), + shuttle payload briefings and flight manifests, and KSC shuttle + status reports. For Usenet users, much of this material appears in + the group sci.space.shuttle. + + NASA UPDATES + Ron Baalke (baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov) posts frequent updates from + JPL, Ames, and other centers on the Ulysses, Gailileo, Pioneer, + Magellan, Landsat, and other missions. + + ORBITAL ELEMENT SETS + TS Kelso (tkelso@blackbird.afit.af.mil) posts orbital elements from + NASA Prediction Bulletins. + + Mike Rose (mrose@stsci.edu) posts orbital elements for the Hubble + Space Telescope to sci.astro. + + Jost Jahn (j.jahn@abbs.hanse.de) posts ephemerides for asteroids, + comets, conjunctions, and encounters to sci.astro. + + SATELLITE LAUNCHES + Richard Langley (lang@unb.ca) posts SPACEWARN Bulletin, which + describes recent launch/orbital decay information and satellites + which are useful for scientific activities. Recent bulletins are + available by anonymous FTP from nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov in + ANON_DIR:[000000.ACTIVE.SPX]. + + SHUTTLE MANIFEST + Ken Hollis (gandalf@pro-electric.cts.com) posts a compressed version + of the Space Shuttle launch manifest to sci.space.shuttle. This + includes dates, times, payloads, and information on how to see + launches and landings. + + SOLAR ACTIVITY + Cary Oler (oler@hg.uleth.ca) posts Solar Terrestrial reports + (describing solar activity and its effect on the Earth) to + sci.space. The report is issued in part from data released by the + Space Enviroment Services Center, Boulder Colorado. The intro + document needed to understand these reports is available by + anonymous FTP from solar.stanford.edu (36.10.0.4) in + pub/understanding_solar_terrestrial_reports. nic.funet.fi + (128.214.6.100) also has this document in + /pub/misc/rec.radio.shortwave/solarreports and is an archive site + for the reports (please note this site is in Europe, and the + connection to the US is only 56KB). A new primary archive site, + xi.uleth.ca (142.66.3.29), has recently been established and will be + actively supported. + + SOVIET SPACE ACTIVITIES + Glenn Chapman (glennc@cs.sfu.ca) posts summaries of Soviet space + activities. + + SPACE ACTIVIST NEWSLETTER + Allen Sherzer (aws@iti.org) posts a newsletter, ""One Small Step for + a Space Activist,"" to talk.politics.space. It describes current + legislative activity affecting NASA and commercial space activities. + + SPACE EVENTS CALENDAR + Ron Baalke (baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov) posts a calendar including + anniversaries, conferences, launch dates, meteor showers and + eclipses, and other space-related events. + + SPACE NEWS + John Magliacane (kd2bd@ka2qhd.UUCP) posts ""SpaceNews"" (covering + AMSATs, NOAA and other weather satellites, and other ham + information) to rec.radio.amateur.misc and sci.space. + + SPACE REPORT + Jonathan McDowell (mcdowell@cfa.harvard.edu) posts ""Jonathan's Space + Report"" covering launches, landings, reentries, status reports, + satellite activities, etc. + + TOWARD 2001 + Bev Freed (freed@nss.fidonet.org) posts ""Toward 2001"", a weekly + global news summary reprinted from _Space Calendar_ magazine. + + +WARNING ABOUT NON-PUBLIC NETWORKS + + (Included at the suggestion of Eugene Miya, who wrote the item) + + NASA has an internal system of unclassified electronic mail and bulletin + boards. This system is not open for public use. Specifically, NASA + personnel and procurement operations are regarded with some sensitivity. + Contractors must renegotiate their contracts. The Fair and Open + Procurement Act does not look kindly to those having inside information. + Contractors and outsiders caught using this type of information can + expect severe penalities. Unauthorized access attempts may subject you + to a fine and/or imprisonment in accordance with Title 18, USC, Section + 1030. If in fact you should should learn of unauthorized access, contact + NASA personnel. + + Claims have been made on this news group about fraud and waste. None + have ever been substantiated to any significant degree. Readers + detecting Fraud, Waste, Abuse, or Mismanagement should contact the NASA + Inspector General (24-hours) at 800-424-9183 (can be anonymous) or write + + NASA + Inspector General + P.O. Box 23089 + L'enfant Plaza Station + Washington DC 20024 + +NEXT: FAQ #3/15 - Online (and some offline) sources of images, data, etc. +";2;True +"From: pspod@bigbird.lerc.nasa.gov (Steve Podleski) +Subject: Re: Founding Father questions +Nntp-Posting-Host: bigbird.lerc.nasa.gov +Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center [Cleveland, Ohio] +Lines: 21 + +arc@cco.caltech.edu (Aaron Ray Clements) writes: +>Wasn't she the one making the comment in '88 about George being born with +>a silver foot in his mouth? Sounds like another damn politician to me. +> +>Ain't like the old days in Texas anymore. The politicians may have been +>corrupt then, but at least they'd take a stand. (My apologies to a few +>exceptions I can think of.) +> +>News now is that the House may already have a two-thirds majority, so +>her ""opposition"" out of her concern for image (she's even said this +>publicly) may not matter. + +Do people expect the Texans congressmen to act as the N.J. Republicans did? +-- + +----------------------------------------------------------------------------- +Steve Podleski | phone: 216-433-4000 +NASA Lewis Research Center | +Cleveland, Ohio 44135 | email: pspod@gonzo.lerc.nasa.gov +----------------------------------------------------------------------------- + +";3;True +"From: car377@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (charles.a.rogers) +Subject: Re: Riceburner Respect +Organization: AT&T +Summary: Subtlety, subtlety +Lines: 12 + +In article , craig@cellar.org (Saint Craig) writes: +> No anyone who is a ""true"" rider with the real riding attitude will offer a +> wave, weather they are on a Harley or on a Honda or some other bike, inless +> they have a serious case of my bike is better than your and you're too low +> to be acknowleged. + +I may not wave: I just wink at you with one eye. 'Course, it's hard to see +that through a shield and sunglasses, but hey, if you're a ""true rider with +the real riding attitude,"" you'll sense it. + +Chuck Rogers +car377@torreys.att.com +";7;True +"From: feustel@netcom.com (David Feustel) +Subject: Re: We knew it would happen +Organization: DAFCO: OS/2 Software Support & Consulting +Lines: 8 + +God forgive me for being an American who pays taxes to a government +that commits atrocities like the Waco Massacre of 1993. +-- +Dave Feustel N9MYI + +I'm beginning to look forward to reaching the %100 allocation of taxes +to pay for the interest on the national debt. At that point the +federal government will be will go out of business for lack of funds. +";3;True +"From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) +Subject: Stan Fischler, 4/4 +Summary: From the Devils pregame show, prior to hosting the Penguins +Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu +Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) +Organization: PhDs In The Hall +Lines: 32 + + +At the Lester Patrick Awards lunch, Bill Torrey mentioned that one of his +options next season is to be president of the Miami team, with Bob Clarke +working for him. At the same dinner, Clarke said that his worst mistake +in Philadelphia was letting Mike Keenan go -- in retrospect, almost all +players came realize that Keenan knew what it took to win. Rumours are +now circulating that Keenan will be back with the Flyers. + +Nick Polano is sick of being a scapegoat for the schedule made for the +Red Wings; After all, Bryan Murray approved it. + +Gerry Meehan and John Muckler are worried over the Sabres' prospects; +Assistant Don Lever says that the Sabres have to get their share now, +because a Quebec dynasty is emerging ... + +The Mighty Ducks have declared that they will not throw money around +loosely to buy a team. + +Oilers coach Ted Green remarked that ""There some guys around who can +fill Tie Domi's skates, but none who can fill his helmet."" + +Senators' Andrew McBain told off a security guard at Chicago Stadium +who warned him of the stairs leading down to the locker room; McBain +mouthed off at him, after all being a seasoned professional ... and +tumbled down the entire steep flight. + +gld +-- +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ +Gary L. Dare +> gld@columbia.EDU GO Winnipeg Jets GO!!! +> gld@cunixc.BITNET Selanne + Domi ==> Stanley +";13;True +"From: bm562@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard L. Trionfo) +Subject: Question about Candlestick +Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) +Lines: 12 +NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu + + + I have tickets for the TB Giants and I was wondering if +anybody familiar with the stadium could tell me where +Section 15 in the lower level is located. + Please e-mail the response, + Thanks, + Rich +-- + ""You've read the hat, now see the movie."" + -Imus in the morning + ""A blurb? You're a blurb!"" + -Seinfeld +";14;True +"From: tzs@stein2.u.washington.edu (Tim Smith) +Subject: Re: Why Is Tax Evasion Not Considered Unpatriotic? +Organization: University of Washington School of Law, Class of '95 +Lines: 7 +NNTP-Posting-Host: stein2.u.washington.edu + +ipser@solomon.technet.sg (Ed Ipser) writes: +>There is a deeper reason. Taxes, by their very nature, are un-American. +>One need only look at the birth and history of the US to see this fact. + +So that's why the 13 newly independent states all had tax systems... + +--Tim Smith +";18;True +"From: yoony@aix.rpi.edu (Young-Hoon Yoon) +Subject: Re: A Scoop of Waco Road, Please +Keywords: topical, smirk +Nntp-Posting-Host: aix.rpi.edu +Lines: 62 + +cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes: + +>Your ""lite"" posting for the day, from rec.humor.funny: + +>In article , bellas@tti.com (Pete Bellas) writes: +>> +>> There is a new Ice Cream Flavor inspired by the incident at Waco. +>> +>> It's called Mount Caramel, it's full of nuts but you can't get it out +>> of the carton. +>-- + +>cdt@rocket.sw.stratus.com --If you believe that I speak for my company, +>OR cdt@vos.stratus.com write today for my special Investors' Packet... + + +Even though I find this to be funny on the surface, the original poster of the +joke has tried and convicted the members of the BD to be a bunch of ""nuts"". +This may be a dangerous thing to do. It is my opinion that most educated +or well informed people of this country have some distrust of the government. +This should exist because as a bureaucracy, any government given enough time +will tend to exist for it self and not for the original purpose it was +created for. This distrust by the people should keep those in power in-line. +That and a properly functioning press. When a sensationalism oriented press +portrays a group of people as ""nuts"" or crazies, a violation of those +people's civil rights seem justified. Since we, as American's, have the +gurantee of rights as enumerated in the constitution, to include the +2nd ammendment, the government must appease the public's opinion or risk +voted out of existance, or if it has become corrupt enough to tamper with +domocratic process itself, being thrown out by force. + Our government as it stands, must appease the public. Therefore the +official press releases portray the BD's as fanatics who are a threat to +public safety. We must not prejudge people based on one sided information. +So far the only information that we are being given is comming from the very +agency that was embarrased by the BD(Branch Davidians sp?). It is to their +advantage to make the BD's as fanatical and dangerous as possible. If they +were portrayed as law-abiding citizen's, then they(ATF) had no justification +what so ever of doing what they did. + So let's keep an open mind. Jokes like above, even though it may be funny, +may mislead the public from the truth of the matter. + +Just as an aside, my understanding of U.S. vs Rock Island and U.S. vs Dalton +leads me to believe that the National Firearms Act, which allows the Fed's +(in this case ATF) to regulate firearms(machine guns), has been deemed to be +unconstitutional since 1986.(By two federal district courts at least). +And since, I believe the only reason ATF was involved +in this case is because of firearms violations, it would be interesting to +find out whether or not the search warrent was based on the NFA. +It would be very embarrassing indeed if a search warrent based on a possibly +unconstitutional law has resulted in 4 deaths(Law enforcement). + + +**************************************************************************** +The above opinions are mine and mine only. +I'm solely responsible for my opinions and my actions. If you must flame +then flame away, but a well constructed argument will be much more respected. + +Young-hoon Yoon yoony@rpi.edu +211 North Hall n6zud@hibp1.ecse.rpi.edu +Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute N6ZUD/2 HL9KMT(former) +Troy, NY 12180 + +";3;True +"From: pminocha@frx400.intel.com (Punit Minocha - QRE) +Subject: SAAB Mailing list +Organization: Intel Corporation +Lines: 9 +Distribution: usa +NNTP-Posting-Host: frx400.intel.com +Keywords: Saab + +Could someone out there please tell me how I could get onto +the Saab mailing list. Specifically I need the address and +instructions on what to do. + +Thanks in advance + +Pete + + +";10;True +"From: joel@math.toronto.edu (Joel Chan) +Subject: Game Score Report +Organization: Department of Mathematics, University of Toronto +Lines: 12 + +Just out of curiosity, what happened to the weekly AL and NL Game +Score Reports? I used to enjoy reading them throughout the summer +for the last two years. + +Inquisitively yours, + +Joel +-- +Joel Chan , Dept. of Mathematics, University of Toronto +Toronto Blue Jays -- 1992 World Series Champs! +""History: Those who ignore it are condemned to repeat it. Math, too."" + - From the comic strip ""Betty"" +";14;True +"From: gnome@pd.org (Mike Mitten) +Subject: Re: What is it with Cats and Dogs ???! +Organization: The Laughing Gnome Software Farm, Atlanta, GA, USA +Lines: 13 +NNTP-Posting-Host: noel.pd.org +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] + +james.bessette (jimbes@cbnewsj.cb.att.com) wrote: +>In article <6130328@hplsla.hp.com> kens@hplsla.hp.com (Ken Snyder) writes: +>>ps. I also heard from a dog breeder that the chains of bicycles and +>>motorcycles produced high frequency squeaks that dogs loved to chase. +>Ask the breeder why they also chase BMWs also. + +Cam chain. + + -Mike + +Mike Mitten - gnome@pd.org - ...!emory!pd.org!gnome - AMA#675197 - DoD#522 +Irony is the spice of life. '90 Bianchi Backstreet '82 Suzuki GS850GL +""The revolution will not be televised."" +";7;True +"From: jca2@cec1.wustl.edu (Joseph Charles Achkar) +Subject: Blues steal game 1 from Hawks +Keywords: Blues, Hull, Shanahan, Joseph, Blackhawks, Belfour +Nntp-Posting-Host: cec1 +Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO +Lines: 125 + + + The Blues scored two power-play goals in 17 seconds in the third period +and the beat the Chicago Blackhawks 4-3 Sunday afternoon at Chicago Stadium. +Brendan Shanahan tied the game 3-3 and Brett Hull scored the game winner 17 +seconds later. Jeff Brown and Denny Felsner scored the other Blues goals. +Brian Noonan had the hat trick for the Hawks, who also had some very good +goaltending from Ed Belfour. Blues goalie Curtis Joseph was solid down the +stretch to preserve the Blues lead. + +The Hawks came out strong in the first period, outshooting the Blues 6-1 and +taking a 1-0 lead on Noonan's first goal. Right after an interference penalty +on Rick Zombo had expired, Keith Brown intercepted a clearing attempt at the +blue line and passed the puck to Steve Larmer in the right circle. Larmer fired +a long slap shot, and Noonan deflected the puck between Joseph's pads. After +the goal, the Blues picked up the intensity and went on to outshoot the Hawks +10-9 in the first period. + +Jeff Brown tied the game 1-1 at 3:12 of the second. Nelson Emerson broke in on +the left side, got by Craig Muni and pushed the puck across the slot. Belfour +came out to play the pass and shoveled it to the right boards, where Brown +collected it and slapped it in before Belfour could get back to the goal. + +Two minutes later on a Hawks power play, Belfour stopped Rich Sutter on a +short-handed break-in. Chris Chelios picked up the puck and passed it to Jeremy +Roenick who carried it on right wing and found an open Noonan with a nice pass +across the slot. Noonan fired it past Joseph at 5:30 for the 2-1 lead. + +Noonan completed his hat trick 3:11 later to increase the Hawks' lead to 3-1. +Stephane Matteau made a nice pass from the right boards to Noonan who beat +Stephane Quintal by driving to the net. Joseph had no chance as Noonan +deflected the puck in the net. + +Denny Felsner reduced the Blues deficit to 3-1 at 12:49 after picking up the +rebound of Basil McRae's slap shot from the slot. Janney set up McRae for +the shot, and the puck sailed wide of the net and bounced off the end boards +to Felsner. Felsner sticked the rebound into the partially open net. The Blues +outshot the Hawks 10-5 in the second period. + +With the Blackhawks leading 3-2 at 9:56 of the third, Stephane Matteau picked +up a high sticking penalty. Just 53 seconds into the power play, Steve Smith +was called for slashing, giving the Blues a 5-on-3 advantage for 1:07. + +The Blues didn't waste time as Brendan Shanahan scored just 23 seconds into +the two-man advantage to tie the game 3-3. Janney found Hull in the slot, +and Hull fired a rocket at Belfour. Jeff Brown collected the rebound and +passed it to Shanahan in the left circle. Shanahan beat Belfour from a sharp +angle. + +Just 17 seconds later, Hull scored the game winner for the Blues. Nelson +Emerson broke in on right wing, carried the puck behind the net along with +two Hawks defensemen. Emerson made a nice pass to an unchecked Hull in the +slot, and Hull beat Belfour to put the Blues up 4-3. + +The Hawks had several chances to tie the game in the final minutes, but Joseph +made some brilliant saves to prevent the Hawks from scoring. He stopped Troy +Murray point blank from just right of the crease with 2:30 left in the game. +The Blues killed off a late Hawks power play, with Rich Sutter clearing the +puck with his hand as it was trickling along the goal line. The Blues held +on to win the game. The Hawks oushot the Blues 13-7 in the third period, +totaling 27 shots on goal for each team. The Blues special teams were excellent +in the game. The Blues killed 6 of 7 Hawks power plays, and scored twice on +on four power play chances. The Blues ranked among the best special teams in +the league. They rank 2nd in penalty killing and 3rd on the power play. + +The game was carried live on ABC, the first time an NHL game other than an +All-Star game has been shown on network television since May 24, 1980, when +CBS carried Game 6 of the Stanley Cup finals. + +The best-of-seven series continues Wednesday in Chicago and Friday and Sunday +in St. Louis. + +Box score +--------- +Blues 4, Blackhawks 3 + +BLUES 0 2 2 -- 4 +CHICAGO 1 2 0 -- 3 + +FIRST PERIOD + + CHI -- Noonan 1 (Larmer, K.Brown), 8:17. + + Penalties -- Shanahan, StL (holding), 2:28; Zombo, StL (interference), 6:00; +Murphy, Chi (high-sticking), 11:30; Grimson, Chi (boarding), 14:39; Zombo, StL +(holding), 18:46. + +SECOND PERIOD + + STL -- Brown 1 (Shanahan, Emerson), 3:12. + CHI -- (PPG) Noonan 2 (Roenick, Chelios), 5:40. + CHI -- Noonan 3 (Matteau, Sutter), 8:51. + STL -- Felsner 1 (McRae, Janney), 12:49. + + Penalties -- Baron, StL (interference), 4:33; Wilson, StL (tripping), 9:31. + +THIRD PERIOD + + STL -- (PPG) Shanahan 1 (J.Brown, Hull), 11:12. + STL -- (PPG) Hull 1 (Emerson, J.Brown), 11:29. + + Penalties -- Shanahan, StL (roughing), 1:54; Matteau, Chi (high-sticking), +9:56; Smith, Chi (slashing), 10:49; Baron, StL (roughing), 14:23. + +SHOTS ON GOAL + +BLUES 10 10 7 -- 27 +CHICAGO 9 5 13 -- 27 + +Power-play Opportunities -- St. Louis 2 of 4; Chicago 1 of 7. + +Goaltenders -- St. Louis, Joseph, 1-0-0 (27 shots-24 saves). + Chicago, Belfour, 0-1-0 (27-23). + +Referee -- Kerry Fraser. Linesmen -- Kevin Collins, Brian Murphy. A -- 16,199. + + %*%*%*%**%*%%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%* + * __ ______________ ____________________________________ % + % \ \_)____________/ A L L E Z L E S B L U E S ! ! ! * + * \ __________/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ % + % \ ________/ * + * \ _______/ Joe Ashkar % + % \ \ Contact for the Blues * + * \ \ SAINT LOUIS jca2@cec1.wustl.edu % + % (___) BLUES * + *%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*% +";13;True +"From: pmy@vivaldi.acc.virginia.edu (Pete Yadlowsky) +Subject: Re: Who's next? Mormons and Jews? +Organization: University of Virginia +Lines: 19 + +COCHRANE,JAMES SHAPLEIGH writes + +>it wouldn't be the first time a group has committed suicide to avoid the +>shame of capture and persecution. + +This group killed itself to fulfill its interpretation of prophecy +and to book a suite in Paradise, taking innocent kids along for the +ride. I hardly think the feds were motivated by persecution. If they +were, all Koresh would have had to do was surrender quietly to the +authorities, without firing a shot, to get the American people behind +him and put the feds in the hot seat. But no, God told him to play +the tough guy. There's great strength in yielding, but few appreciate +this. + +-- +Peter M. Yadlowsky | Wake! The sky is light! +Academic Computing Center | Let us to the Net again... +University of Virginia | Companion keyboard. +pmy@Virginia.EDU | - after Basho +";19;True +"From: sml@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Steven M Labovitz) +Subject: Re: Accelerator for SE +Keywords: Accelerator, compatibility +Organization: University of Pennsylvania +Lines: 13 +Nntp-Posting-Host: eniac.seas.upenn.edu + + + I too am interested in peoples' experience with accelerators for the +SE. Is an accelerator the best route to improve performace in my SE, or should +I consider upgrading to an SE/30 motherboard? Obviously, buying a new mac +would be ideal, but alas, I only have enough money for an accelerator or +motherboard. + E-mail reply preferred. Thanks. + + +------------------------------------------------------------------------------- +Steve Labovitz +Dept. of Materials Science & Engineering +U. Penn +";0;True +"From: lli+@cs.cmu.edu (Lori Iannamico) +Subject: Pens box score 4/14 +Nntp-Posting-Host: lli.mach.cs.cmu.edu +Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon +Lines: 44 + +Pens-6 NJ Devils-6 + +FIRST PERIOD: SCORING: 1, Pittsburgh, Daniels(Needham, Tippett)4:14. +2, NJ Devils, C. Lemieux(Semak, Driver)10:19. 3, Pittsburgh, Stevens +(Tocchet, Murphy)12:40ppg. 4, NJ Devils, Zelepukin(Driver, Niedermayer) +17:26. PENALTIES: PGH, Stevens(roughing)1:30. NJD, Pellerin-double +minor(cross-checking)1:30. NJD, Zelepukin(tripping)7:21. NJD, +Stasny(holding)11:15. PGH, Taglianetti(roughing)13:51. NJD, Lemieux +(roughing)13:51. PGH, Jagr(tripping)15:23. + +SECOND PERIOD: SCORING: 5, Pittsburgh, Lemieux(Murphy, Tocchet)1:42. +6, NJ Devils, Semak(Lemieux, Zelepukin)2:27. 7, Pittsburgh, McEachern +(Jagr, Barrasso)4:24. 8, NJD, Stevens(Guerin, Pellerin)5:45. 9, +Pittsburgh, Lemieux(unassisted)12:40shg. 10, NJ Devils, Richer +(Nicholls)15:53. 11, NJ Devils, Lemieux(Zelepukin)17:40. PENALTIES: +PGH, Stevens(roughing)3:06. NJD, McKay(roughing)3:06. PGH, Mullen +(hooking)10:42. PGH, Tocchet(roughing)12:06. NJD, Stevens(slashing) +12:06. NJD, Lemieux(unsportsmanlike conduct)12:40. PGH, U. +Samuelsson(cross checking)20:00. PGH, Barrasso-double minor(spearing) +served by McEachern, 20:00. NJD, Holik(cross checking)20:00. NJD, +Lemieux(roughing)20:00. + +THIRD PERIOD: SCORING: 12, Pittsburgh, Mullen(Jagr, Lemieux)18:54. +PENALTIES: NJD, Daneyko(interference)3:37. PGH, Stevens(roughing) +9:18. NJD, Holik(roughing)9:18. PGH, match penalty-game misconduct,9:50. +NJD, Zelepukin(tripping)12:01. PGH, Stevens(roughing)18:41. NJD, +Daneyko(roughing)18:41. + +OVERTIME: SCORING: No scoring. PENALTIES: No penalties. + +SHOTS ON GOAL: +Pittsburgh: 9-11-8-2=30 +NJ Devils: 12-15-9-3=39 + +GOALIES: +Barrasso(39 shots, 33 saves. 43-14-5) +Billington(30 shots, 24 saves) + +REF: Devorski Linesmen: Gauthier, Vines + +Lori +Contact for the Penguins +lli+@cs.cmu.edu + +";13;True +"From: pat@rwing.UUCP (Pat Myrto) +Subject: Re: Tanks against civilians (was Re: That silly outdated Bill/Koresh) +Summary: Tanks against Civilians (couldn't happen here... read yer history) +Organization: Totally Unorganized +Lines: 70 + +In article scottj@magic.dml.georgetown.edu (John L. Scott) writes: +> +> [ ... picking nits over tanks firing the main gun or not deleted ...] +> + +I think the point is being missed - that it is apparantly acceptable for +Big Government (Big Brother?) to use TANKS to control the people, as +long as they don't use the BIG GUN (but everything else is allright...). + +Tanks deployed against civilians, let alone FIRING on them with crew +served weaponry (a .50 Heavy Machine Gun is crew-served) is something +both our press and government howl about instantly when done in some +other country. Against civilians that have, at most, one-shot-at-a-time +LIGHT small arms. Certainly nothing that places the people in or behind +the tank in any real danger. Molotov coctails? A round from a rifle +or pistol deals with anybody approaching with one of those. And ""snipers"" +too often turn out to be strays from other cops/guard/army gunfire. + +I don't know about the other people in this group (or on the net) but +the idea of tanks being used to control civilians, in anything that +pretends to be a free society is outrageous. When Big Government feels +it is necessary to use that kind of force to stomp out protests (even +violent) of the citizens, that suggests that the government is totally +out of control, since that is effectively the government declaring war +on its own people. If the government was living up to its responsibility, +government of the people BY THE PEOPLE, not the 'lords' and other elites +who want to keep their good thing going, the citizens wouldn't feel the +need to be resorting to acts that need to be squashed with a military +boot. People do things like that because they have become convinced +that it is the only option that remains, other attempts to have grievances +redressed have been ignored. And yes, there is a criminal element that +will exploit this, but the fact remains that the government has been +unresponsive or such acts wouldn't be apt to happen. Still not an excuse +to open up on civilians with tanks, heavy machine guns, or whatever. +Its the old 'might makes right' philosophy that is the hallmark of a +government going rogue: They don't like it? Tough. We will simply +squash them under an iron boot. Actually addressing their grievances +in other than token fashion with huge volumes of hot air is just too +inconvenient... Sort of a variation on mushroom management: Keep them +in the dark, Smother them with shit, and Crush them when ready... + +And these are the folks that many liberals are trying to arrange things +so that they will have a MONOPOLY on coercive force (firearms that are +than expensive toys...) by gutting the Bill of Rights (cuz it just isn't +PROGRESSIVE or doesn't fit in with MODERN THINKING anymore)... + +Unbelievable. + +And I do believe amid the smoke, confusion, etc of a real riot situation, +that it would be POSSIBLE for a tank to get away with firing the main gun +into a building at close range? One would hear an explosion among many +explosions. It is loud, but it is not going to stand out like a 1000 +pound bomb or a tactical nuke. There would be a hole blown in the wall, +and some rubble, but with tanks knocking over walls, and other sources +of buildings turning into rubble, and other covering racket such as +gunfire, including 50's tacking away, it would not stand out that much, +and could be explained by ""musta been a gas leak... "". I think it could be +done and not be reported under such conditions - it is POSSIBLE. It is +not like a tank driving down a quiet street on a Sunday afternoon, turning +and firing, you know. THAT would stand out, and be pretty impossible +to cover up. + +>--John L. Scott + + +-- +pat@rwing.uucp [Without prejudice UCC 1-207] (Pat Myrto) Seattle, WA + If all else fails, try: ...!uunet!pilchuck!rwing!pat +WISDOM: ""Only two things are infinite; the universe and human stupidity, + and I am not sure about the former."" - Albert Einstien +";3;True +"From: kennehra@logic.camp.clarkson.edu (Rich""TheMan""Kennehan) +Subject: subliminal message flashing on TV +Organization: Clarkson University +Lines: 11 +Nntp-Posting-Host: logic.clarkson.edu +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] + + + +Hi. I was doing research on subliminal suggestion for a psychology +paper, and I read that one researcher flashed hidden messages on the +TV screen at 1/200ths of a second. Is that possible? I thought the +maximum rate the TV was even capable of displaying images was 1/30th +of a second. (or 1/60th of a second for an image composed of only odd +or even scan lines) + +- Rich + kennehra@logic.camp.clarkson.edu +";11;True +"From: erh0362@tesla.njit.edu +Subject: Mormon beliefs about bastards +Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology +Lines: 14 + + + Could anyone enlighten me on how the Mormon church views +children born out of wedlock? In particular I'm interested to know if any +stigma is attached to the children as opposed to the parents. I'm especially +keen to learn if there is or is not any prohibition in the Mormon faith on +bastards entering heaven or having their names entered in the big genealogical +book the Mormons keep in Salt Lake City. If this is an issue on which the +""official"" position has changed over time, I'm interested in learning both old +and new beliefs. E-mail or posting is fine. All information or pointers are +appreciated. + +Elliotte Rusty Harold Department of Mathematics +elharo@shiva.njit.edu New Jersey Institute of Technology +erh0362@tesla.njit.edu Newark, NJ 07102 +";17;True +"From: neale@ee.rochester.edu (Reg Neale) +Subject: Pioneer Laser player +Organization: Univ of Rochester, College of Engineering and Applied Science +Lines: 5 + +I'm trying to figure out how to operate a Pioneer Laserdisc LD-1000 that I bought at a surplus store. It is reputedly from some kind of computerised viewing +and/or ordering system. THere is what may be an HPIB connector on the back. When +I power it up, the front panel power light comes on, but no activity, and the +door doesn't open. Anyone have any experience with this unit or any ideas on how +to obtain documentation? +";11;True +"From: ardie@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Ardie Mack) +Subject: Re: does dos6 defragment?? +Article-I.D.: ux1.ardie.272.734097933 +Organization: Department of Plant Pathology +Lines: 30 + +In article <1993Apr6.040254.8443@cs.brown.edu> ksl@engin1.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Kiseok Lee ) writes: +>From: ksl@engin1.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Kiseok Lee ) +>Subject: Re: does dos6 defragment?? +>Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1993 04:02:54 GMT +>In article , rhc52134@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Richard) writes: +>|> Geoffrey S. Elbo writes: +>|> +>|> >Yes, and it is the fastest defrag I've ever watched. It did a 170MB +>|> >hard disk in 20 minutes. +>|> +>|> I found the MS defrag looks very much like Norton Speedisk. +>|> Is it just a strip-down version of the later? +>|> +>|> I have both Norton Speedisk and Backup, so I was wondering +>|> if I need to install MS Backup? +>|> +>|> Richard +>|> +> +>Yes, defragger IS come from Norton. +>If you have Norton Utility, don't bother. + + + Don't bother if you have CPBackup or Fastback. They all offer options +not available in the stripped-down MS version (FROM CPS!). Examples - no +proprietary format (to save space), probably no direct DMA access, and no +tape drive! + + You NEED MS Defrag if you use doublespace to work on the compressed +volume. +";6;True +"From: rgc3679@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Robert G. Carpenter) +Subject: Re: Please Recommend 3D Graphics Library For Mac. +Organization: Boeing +Lines: 35 + +In article <1qnm6fINN8tr@tamsun.tamu.edu> brentb@tamsun.tamu.edu (Brent) writes: +>tsa@cellar.org (The Silent Assassin) writes: +>>rgc3679@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Robert G. Carpenter) writes: +>> +>>> Can you please offer some recommendations? +>> +>>It's really not that hard to do. There are books out there which explain +>>everything, and the basic 3D functions, translation, rotation, shading, and +>>hidden line removal are pretty easy. I wrote a program in a few weeks witht +>>he help of a book, and would be happy to give you my source. +> +>I think he wanted to avoid reinventing the wheel. + + Yes, I want to concentrate on other development issues - I've created graphics + libraries before, it's too time consuming... life's too short! + +>> Also, Quickdraw has a lot of 3D functions built in, and Think pascal +>>can access them, and I would expect that THINK C could as well. If you can +>>find out how to use the Quickdraw graphics library, it would be an excellent +>>choice, since it has a lot of stuff, and is built into the Mac, so should be +>>fast. +> +>Just to clarify, the 3D routines that are mentioned in various places +>on the mac are in a libray, not the ROM of the mac. A few years ago before +>I knew anything about implementing graphics, I came across a demo of the +>Apple GrafSys3D library and it actually did a lot. However, it is quite +>limited in the sense that it's a low-level 3D library; your code still has +>to plot individual points, draw each line, etc ad nauseum. It has nothing +>on GL, for example, where you can handle objects. + + Thanks for the clarification... Before posting my original request I had looked + into the Mac's 3D capabilities and dismissed them as low grade. + +BobC + +";1;True +"From: muellerm@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Marc Mueller) +Subject: Re: Pork ( C-17 & C-5 was (Re: ABOLISH SELECTIVE SERVICE ) +Nntp-Posting-Host: irlsp +Organization: Vanderbilt University School of Engineering, Nashville, TN, USA +Lines: 48 + +In article <1993Apr16.174304.26360@ra.msstate.edu> fpa1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Fletcher P Adams) writes: +>muellerm@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Marc Mueller) writes: +>>fpa1@Trumpet.CC.MsState.Edu (Fletcher P Adams) writes: +>>>> +>>>>Eliminate the C-17 transport. +>>> +>>>Wrong. We need its capability. Sure it has its problems, ........ +>> +>>If you read Aviation Week, the C-5 line can be reopened and the C-5s +>>would be delivered a year earlier and cost a billion less for the +>>program. Politically, though, the C-17 is popular pork. +> +>I do read Av Week and don't remember this. Could you supply the date +>of the magazine? + +Aviation Week March 15 1993 p.48 + +""the CBO estimates that matching the capability of 100 C-17s would +require 70 C-5s at a total cost of $14.4 billion. This option is still +more than $10 billion cheaper than completing the C-17 program, which +the CBO estimates will cost $24.7 billion."" + +Sorry, I was nine billion off. The C-5s would be ten billion cheaper. +> As for C-17 vs. C-5 , the C-17 can't carry as much +>but has more capability ( read : can land at smaller airfields of which +>there are more of ) than the C-5. Now is the C-17 pork? It depends +>on whether your job relies on it or not. :) In California right now, +>I would say that it is not pork since due to peace dividend so many +>people are out of work. +> +Well, California voted overwhelmingly for change, right? +The argument to continue military programs just to support jobs is +a poor one. It's kept quite a few bases open that should have been closed +years ago, wasting billions of taxes. + +>>The question is whether Les Aspin and Clinton will be able to face down +>>a pork happy Congress. +>> +>>-- Marc Mueller +> +>Huh? Shouldn't that read ""The question is whether a social-pork happy +>Les Aspin and Clinton will be able to face down a jobs-pork happy +>Congress."" +> +>fpa +> + +-- Marc Mueller +";18;True +"From: news@cbnewsk.att.com +Subject: Re: Question about Virgin Mary +Organization: AT&T Bell Labs +Lines: 18 + +In article a.faris@trl.oz.au (Aziz Faris) writes: + +>[I think you're talking about the ""assumption of the Blessed Virgin +>Mary"". It says that ""The Immaculate Mother of God, the ever Virgin +>Mary, having completed the course of her earthly life, was assumed +>body and soul into heavenly glory."" This was defined by a Papal +>statement in 1950, though it had certainly been believed by some +>before that. --clh] + +So true. I'm not sure of the basis of the belief, but it was a widely +held belief among the laity of the RC church and their support of it +lead to it being declared to be true. Basically the teaching on infallibility +holds that the pope is infallible in matters of faith and doctrine, the +college of bishops is likewise infallible, and the laity is as well. +The pope gets most of the attention/criticism but the consensus of the +other bodies is equally infallible (according to RC teaching). + +Joe Moore +";17;True +"From: coe@leopard.cs.uidaho.edu (Mike Coe) +Subject: window manager +Organization: /users/student/coe/.organization +Lines: 19 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: leopard.cs.uidaho.edu + + + + +I currently use a window manager called ctwm which +is very similar to hp's vuewm. (i.e. +it has multiple workspaces). Is there a +motif based window manager that has this +same feature and is not a memory pig like vue? + + + +mike + +-- +Michael L Coe | ""A mind is a terrible thing."" +Laboratory of Applied Logic | +University of Idaho | +coe@leopard.cs.uidaho.edu | +coe861@snake.cs.uidaho.edu +";12;True +"From: dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca (Deepak Chhabra) +Subject: Re: Leaf slump over +Nntp-Posting-Host: stpl.ists.ca +Organization: Solar Terresterial Physics Laboratory, ISTS +Lines: 39 + + +On March 21, 1993 Roger Maynard wrote (in reply to an article by Graham +Hudson): + +>> will still have the Jennings Trophy at the end of the year. Potvin is very +>> good, and I do believe that he will be a star, but I want to see him +>> perform in the playoffs under pressure. + +>You don't think he is performing ""under pressure"" now? The major +>differences between playoff hockey and normal hockey is 1. play- +>ing every other night which is physically exhausting and 2. You +>play the same team in a consecutive string of games. Is this +>what you mean by pressure? Have you even thought about what you +>mean by pressure, or are your thoughts, like most of the rest of +>this drivel, simply half-baked? + +This was <1993Mar21.223936.6192@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca>, for anybody who +would like to check. + +He went on (in another article) to say [paraphrased] + +>""Playoff hockey"" is just an expression used by announcers to convince +>simple-minded folks like yourself that what you are seeing is a better +>product than a regular-season game. + +*NOW*, however, in article <1993Apr12.013939.23016@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca> +(Roger Maynard) writes: + +>With a 4-2 win over a tough Whaler squad the Leafs showed all doubters +>what playoff hockey is all about. + ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ + +So, Roger, what exactly *is* playoff hockey all about? Or is it a convenient +phrase to use in certain circumstances only? + +You see, when you spout off with flame bait too many times, sooner or later +it catches up with you.... + + +";13;True +"From: reb@hprnd.rose.hp.com (Ralph Bean) +Subject: Re: saturn pricing blatherings +Article-I.D.: hpchase.1pqkjv$46l +Organization: Hewlett Packard Roseville Site +Lines: 12 +NNTP-Posting-Host: hprnd.rose.hp.com +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8.8] + +Mihir Pramod Shah (mps1@cec1.wustl.edu) wrote: +: Robert J. Wade writes: +: > until...and more Saturn retailers are built(like 2 in the same city), +: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +: ...most medium and large cities have...a small handful of Saturn dealers now + +Sacramento has two Saturn dealerships. + +: Mihir Shah + +Ralph Bean +hprnd.rose.hp.com +";10;True +"From: joslin@pogo.isp.pitt.edu (David Joslin) +Subject: Re: Kind, loving, merciful and forgiving GOD! +Organization: Intelligent Systems Program +Lines: 43 + +m23364@mwunix.mitre.org (James Meritt) writes: +>joslin@pogo.isp.pitt.edu (David Joslin) writes: +>}m23364@mwunix.mitre.org (James Meritt) writes: +>}>}(a) out of context; +>}>Must have missed when you said this about these other ""promises of god"" that we keep +>}>getting subjected to. Could you please explain why I am wrong and they are OK? +>}>Or an acknowledgement of public hypocrisy. Both or neither. +>} +>}So, according to you, Jim, the only way to criticize one person for +>}taking a quote out of context, without being a hypocrite, is to post a +>}response to *every* person on t.r.m who takes a quote out of context? +> +>Did I either ask or assert that? Or is this your misaimed telepathy at work again? + +(1) Stephen said you took a quote out of context +(2) You noted that Stephen had not replied to some other t.r.m article + (call it A) that took a quote out of context +(3) But the lack of evidence for X does not constitute evidence for the + lack of X (a common creationist error) +(4) So the fact that Stephen did not reply to A does not justify the + conclusion that Stephen condoned taking quotes out of context in A +(5) You asked Stephen to explain why you were wrong and they were OK, + or to acknowledge that he was being a hypocrite. +(6) Both of the choices you give Stephen assume that he condoned + taking quotes out of context in A. +(7) I assumed you were being logical, and that the sentence that begins + ""Could you please explain ..."" was not a nonsequitur, but was intended + to follow from the sentence that preceded it. +(8) Therefore, I concluded that you believed that (2) implied that Stephen + condoned taking quotes out of context in A +(9) But we've already seen that (2) does not imply this +(10) Therefore, you were incorrect to believe that (2) implied that Stephen + thought it was okay to take quotes out of context in A, and were + making an error of a kind that is frequently made by creationists. + +Is that better Jim? It's called an argument. If you disagree with it, +explain why the argument is not sound. (I admit that my assumption in (7) +may have been a bit hasty.) If you agree with it, just say ""yup."" + +dj +""Yup."" -- Jim's e-mailed response when I pointed out, in a posted article, +that one of his arguments was a straw man argument, reminiscent of a +frequent creationist ploy. (3/22/93) +";19;True +"From: stephens@geod.emr.ca (Dave Stephenson) +Subject: Re: Old Spacecraft as NAvigation Beacons! +Nntp-Posting-Host: ngis.geod.emr.ca +Organization: Dept. of Energy, Mines, and Resources, Ottawa +Lines: 21 + +nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu writes: + +>Other idea for old space crafts is as navigation beacons and such.. +>Why not?? If you can put them on ""safe"" ""pause"" mode.. why not have them be +>activated by a signal from a space craft (manned?) to act as a naviagtion +>beacon, to take a directional plot on?? + +>Wierd or what? +>== +>Michael Adams, nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu -- I'm not high, just jacked + +There is a whole constellation of custom built navigation beacon satellites +in the process of being phased out right now. The TRANSIT/OSCAR satellites +are being replaced by GPS. Or were you thinking of deep space navigation, +which is best done with doppler/VLBI/ stellar measurements. I do not think +additional radio beacons would help much. +-- +Dave Stephenson +Geological Survey of Canada +Ottawa, Ontario, Canada +Internet: stephens@geod.emr.ca +";2;True +"From: jono@mac-ak-24.rtsg.mot.com (Jon Ogden) +Subject: Re: Latest on Branch Davidians +Organization: Motorola LPA Development +Lines: 23 + +In article , +conditt@tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (Paul Conditt) wrote: + + +> I think it's really sad that so many people put their faith in a mere +> man, even if he did claim to be the son of God, and/or a prophet. + +It is just as Christ said about his return: + +""Some will say, 'He is in the desert.' or some will say, 'He is in the +wilderness.' But do not believe them. For as lightning flashes east to +west so shall the coming of the Son of Man be."" + { My paraphrase - I think the +verse is + somewhere in John } + +Jon + +---------------- +sig file broken.... + +please try later... +---------------- +";17;True +"From: kgrider@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Keith A Grider) +Subject: Remote TEKTRONICS emulation +Nntp-Posting-Host: magnusug.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu +Organization: The Ohio State University +Lines: 17 + +Hello, + +I am looking for someone to help me with the proceedure for remote login, via +modem not ethernet, to our new silicon graphics iris machines. I can log in to +them only as a vt100 terminal regardless of what I am emulating on my end. I +have communication software, kermit, which supports tek 401x and vt102 +emulation. The x windows manual lists XTERM as the appropriate command to +change the terminal type. When I try it the reponse is 'unable to open window' + +Thanx in advance + +Keith Grider +-- +__________________________________________________________________________ +Keith Grider 'Come on man, let's go do the crimes +kgrider@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Yeah, Lets get sushi, and not pay' + Repo Man +";12;True +"From: leech@cs.unc.edu (Jon Leech) +Subject: Space FAQ 10/15 - Planetary Probe History +Supersedes: +Organization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill +Lines: 527 +Distribution: world +Expires: 6 May 1993 19:59:36 GMT +NNTP-Posting-Host: mahler.cs.unc.edu +Keywords: Frequently Asked Questions + +Archive-name: space/probe +Last-modified: $Date: 93/04/01 14:39:19 $ + +PLANETARY PROBES - HISTORICAL MISSIONS + + This section was lightly adapted from an original posting by Larry Klaes + (klaes@verga.enet.dec.com), mostly minor formatting changes. Matthew + Wiener (weemba@libra.wistar.upenn.edu) contributed the section on + Voyager, and the section on Sakigake was obtained from ISAS material + posted by Yoshiro Yamada (yamada@yscvax.ysc.go.jp). + +US PLANETARY MISSIONS + + + MARINER (VENUS, MARS, & MERCURY FLYBYS AND ORBITERS) + + MARINER 1, the first U.S. attempt to send a spacecraft to Venus, failed + minutes after launch in 1962. The guidance instructions from the ground + stopped reaching the rocket due to a problem with its antenna, so the + onboard computer took control. However, there turned out to be a bug in + the guidance software, and the rocket promptly went off course, so the + Range Safety Officer destroyed it. Although the bug is sometimes claimed + to have been an incorrect FORTRAN DO statement, it was actually a + transcription error in which the bar (indicating smoothing) was omitted + from the expression ""R-dot-bar sub n"" (nth smoothed value of derivative + of radius). This error led the software to treat normal minor variations + of velocity as if they were serious, leading to incorrect compensation. + + MARINER 2 became the first successful probe to flyby Venus in December + of 1962, and it returned information which confirmed that Venus is a + very hot (800 degrees Fahrenheit, now revised to 900 degrees F.) world + with a cloud-covered atmosphere composed primarily of carbon dioxide + (sulfuric acid was later confirmed in 1978). + + MARINER 3, launched on November 5, 1964, was lost when its protective + shroud failed to eject as the craft was placed into interplanetary + space. Unable to collect the Sun's energy for power from its solar + panels, the probe soon died when its batteries ran out and is now in + solar orbit. It was intended for a Mars flyby with MARINER 4. + + MARINER 4, the sister probe to MARINER 3, did reach Mars in 1965 and + took the first close-up images of the Martian surface (22 in all) as it + flew by the planet. The probe found a cratered world with an atmosphere + much thinner than previously thought. Many scientists concluded from + this preliminary scan that Mars was a ""dead"" world in both the + geological and biological sense. + + MARINER 5 was sent to Venus in 1967. It reconfirmed the data on that + planet collected five years earlier by MARINER 2, plus the information + that Venus' atmospheric pressure at its surface is at least 90 times + that of Earth's, or the equivalent of being 3,300 feet under the surface + of an ocean. + + MARINER 6 and 7 were sent to Mars in 1969 and expanded upon the work + done by MARINER 4 four years earlier. However, they failed to take away + the concept of Mars as a ""dead"" planet, first made from the basic + measurements of MARINER 4. + + MARINER 8 ended up in the Atlantic Ocean in 1971 when the rocket + launcher autopilot failed. + + MARINER 9, the sister probe to MARINER 8, became the first craft to + orbit Mars in 1971. It returned information on the Red Planet that no + other probe had done before, revealing huge volcanoes on the Martian + surface, as well as giant canyon systems, and evidence that water once + flowed across the planet. The probe also took the first detailed closeup + images of Mars' two small moons, Phobos and Deimos. + + MARINER 10 used Venus as a gravity assist to Mercury in 1974. The probe + did return the first close-up images of the Venusian atmosphere in + ultraviolet, revealing previously unseen details in the cloud cover, + plus the fact that the entire cloud system circles the planet in four + Earth days. MARINER 10 eventually made three flybys of Mercury from 1974 + to 1975 before running out of attitude control gas. The probe revealed + Mercury as a heavily cratered world with a mass much greater than + thought. This would seem to indicate that Mercury has an iron core which + makes up 75 percent of the entire planet. + + + PIONEER (MOON, SUN, VENUS, JUPITER, and SATURN FLYBYS AND ORBITERS) + + PIONEER 1 through 3 failed to meet their main objective - to photograph + the Moon close-up - but they did reach far enough into space to provide + new information on the area between Earth and the Moon, including new + data on the Van Allen radiation belts circling Earth. All three craft + had failures with their rocket launchers. PIONEER 1 was launched on + October 11, 1958, PIONEER 2 on November 8, and PIONEER 3 on December 6. + + PIONEER 4 was a Moon probe which missed the Moon and became the first + U.S. spacecraft to orbit the Sun in 1959. PIONEER 5 was originally + designed to flyby Venus, but the mission was scaled down and it instead + studied the interplanetary environment between Venus and Earth out to + 36.2 million kilometers in 1960, a record until MARINER 2. PIONEER 6 + through 9 were placed into solar orbit from 1965 to 1968: PIONEER 6, 7, + and 8 are still transmitting information at this time. PIONEER E (would + have been number 10) suffered a launch failure in 1969. + + PIONEER 10 became the first spacecraft to flyby Jupiter in 1973. PIONEER + 11 followed it in 1974, and then went on to become the first probe to + study Saturn in 1979. Both vehicles should continue to function through + 1995 and are heading off into interstellar space, the first craft ever + to do so. + + PIONEER Venus 1 (1978) (also known as PIONEER Venus Orbiter, or PIONEER + 12) burned up in the Venusian atmosphere on October 8, 1992. PVO made + the first radar studies of the planet's surface via probe. PIONEER Venus + 2 (also known as PIONEER 13) sent four small probes into the atmosphere + in December of 1978. The main spacecraft bus burned up high in the + atmosphere, while the four probes descended by parachute towards the + surface. Though none were expected to survive to the surface, the Day + probe did make it and transmitted for 67.5 minutes on the ground before + its batteries failed. + + + RANGER (LUNAR LANDER AND IMPACT MISSIONS) + + RANGER 1 and 2 were test probes for the RANGER lunar impact series. They + were meant for high Earth orbit testing in 1961, but rocket problems + left them in useless low orbits which quickly decayed. + + RANGER 3, launched on January 26, 1962, was intended to land an + instrument capsule on the surface of the Moon, but problems during the + launch caused the probe to miss the Moon and head into solar orbit. + RANGER 3 did try to take some images of the Moon as it flew by, but the + camera was unfortunately aimed at deep space during the attempt. + + RANGER 4, launched April 23, 1962, had the same purpose as RANGER 3, but + suffered technical problems enroute and crashed on the lunar farside, + the first U.S. probe to reach the Moon, albeit without returning data. + + RANGER 5, launched October 18, 1962 and similar to RANGER 3 and 4, lost + all solar panel and battery power enroute and eventually missed the Moon + and drifted off into solar orbit. + + RANGER 6 through 9 had more modified lunar missions: They were to send + back live images of the lunar surface as they headed towards an impact + with the Moon. RANGER 6 failed this objective in 1964 when its cameras + did not operate. RANGER 7 through 9 performed well, becoming the first + U.S. lunar probes to return thousands of lunar images through 1965. + + + LUNAR ORBITER (LUNAR SURFACE PHOTOGRAPHY) + + LUNAR ORBITER 1 through 5 were designed to orbit the Moon and image + various sites being studied as landing areas for the manned APOLLO + missions of 1969-1972. The probes also contributed greatly to our + understanding of lunar surface features, particularly the lunar farside. + All five probes of the series, launched from 1966 to 1967, were + essentially successful in their missions. They were the first U.S. + probes to orbit the Moon. All LOs were eventually crashed into the lunar + surface to avoid interference with the manned APOLLO missions. + + + SURVEYOR (LUNAR SOFT LANDERS) + + The SURVEYOR series were designed primarily to see if an APOLLO lunar + module could land on the surface of the Moon without sinking into the + soil (before this time, it was feared by some that the Moon was covered + in great layers of dust, which would not support a heavy landing + vehicle). SURVEYOR was successful in proving that the lunar surface was + strong enough to hold up a spacecraft from 1966 to 1968. + + Only SURVEYOR 2 and 4 were unsuccessful missions. The rest became the + first U.S. probes to soft land on the Moon, taking thousands of images + and scooping the soil for analysis. APOLLO 12 landed 600 feet from + SURVEYOR 3 in 1969 and returned parts of the craft to Earth. SURVEYOR 7, + the last of the series, was a purely scientific mission which explored + the Tycho crater region in 1968. + + + VIKING (MARS ORBITERS AND LANDERS) + + VIKING 1 was launched from Cape Canaveral, Florida on August 20, 1975 on + a TITAN 3E-CENTAUR D1 rocket. The probe went into Martian orbit on June + 19, 1976, and the lander set down on the western slopes of Chryse + Planitia on July 20, 1976. It soon began its programmed search for + Martian micro-organisms (there is still debate as to whether the probes + found life there or not), and sent back incredible color panoramas of + its surroundings. One thing scientists learned was that Mars' sky was + pinkish in color, not dark blue as they originally thought (the sky is + pink due to sunlight reflecting off the reddish dust particles in the + thin atmosphere). The lander set down among a field of red sand and + boulders stretching out as far as its cameras could image. + + The VIKING 1 orbiter kept functioning until August 7, 1980, when it ran + out of attitude-control propellant. The lander was switched into a + weather-reporting mode, where it had been hoped it would keep + functioning through 1994; but after November 13, 1982, an errant command + had been sent to the lander accidentally telling it to shut down until + further orders. Communication was never regained again, despite the + engineers' efforts through May of 1983. + + An interesting side note: VIKING 1's lander has been designated the + Thomas A. Mutch Memorial Station in honor of the late leader of the + lander imaging team. The National Air and Space Museum in Washington, + D.C. is entrusted with the safekeeping of the Mutch Station Plaque until + it can be attached to the lander by a manned expedition. + + VIKING 2 was launched on September 9, 1975, and arrived in Martian orbit + on August 7, 1976. The lander touched down on September 3, 1976 in + Utopia Planitia. It accomplished essentially the same tasks as its + sister lander, with the exception that its seisometer worked, recording + one marsquake. The orbiter had a series of attitude-control gas leaks in + 1978, which prompted it being shut down that July. The lander was shut + down on April 12, 1980. + + The orbits of both VIKING orbiters should decay around 2025. + + + VOYAGER (OUTER PLANET FLYBYS) + + VOYAGER 1 was launched September 5, 1977, and flew past Jupiter on March + 5, 1979 and by Saturn on November 13, 1980. VOYAGER 2 was launched + August 20, 1977 (before VOYAGER 1), and flew by Jupiter on August 7, + 1979, by Saturn on August 26, 1981, by Uranus on January 24, 1986, and + by Neptune on August 8, 1989. VOYAGER 2 took advantage of a rare + once-every-189-years alignment to slingshot its way from outer planet to + outer planet. VOYAGER 1 could, in principle, have headed towards Pluto, + but JPL opted for the sure thing of a Titan close up. + + Between the two probes, our knowledge of the 4 giant planets, their + satellites, and their rings has become immense. VOYAGER 1&2 discovered + that Jupiter has complicated atmospheric dynamics, lightning and + aurorae. Three new satellites were discovered. Two of the major + surprises were that Jupiter has rings and that Io has active sulfurous + volcanoes, with major effects on the Jovian magnetosphere. + + When the two probes reached Saturn, they discovered over 1000 ringlets + and 7 satellites, including the predicted shepherd satellites that keep + the rings stable. The weather was tame compared with Jupiter: massive + jet streams with minimal variance (a 33-year great white spot/band cycle + is known). Titan's atmosphere was smoggy. Mimas' appearance was + startling: one massive impact crater gave it the Death Star appearance. + The big surprise here was the stranger aspects of the rings. Braids, + kinks, and spokes were both unexpected and difficult to explain. + + VOYAGER 2, thanks to heroic engineering and programming efforts, + continued the mission to Uranus and Neptune. Uranus itself was highly + monochromatic in appearance. One oddity was that its magnetic axis was + found to be highly skewed from the already completely skewed rotational + axis, giving Uranus a peculiar magnetosphere. Icy channels were found on + Ariel, and Miranda was a bizarre patchwork of different terrains. 10 + satellites and one more ring were discovered. + + In contrast to Uranus, Neptune was found to have rather active weather, + including numerous cloud features. The ring arcs turned out to be bright + patches on one ring. Two other rings, and 6 other satellites, were + discovered. Neptune's magnetic axis was also skewed. Triton had a + canteloupe appearance and geysers. (What's liquid at 38K?) + + The two VOYAGERs are expected to last for about two more decades. Their + on-target journeying gives negative evidence about possible planets + beyond Pluto. Their next major scientific discovery should be the + location of the heliopause. + + +SOVIET PLANETARY MISSIONS + + Since there have been so many Soviet probes to the Moon, Venus, and + Mars, I will highlight only the primary missions: + + + SOVIET LUNAR PROBES + + LUNA 1 - Lunar impact attempt in 1959, missed Moon and became first + craft in solar orbit. + LUNA 2 - First craft to impact on lunar surface in 1959. + LUNA 3 - Took first images of lunar farside in 1959. + ZOND 3 - Took first images of lunar farside in 1965 since LUNA 3. Was + also a test for future Mars missions. + LUNA 9 - First probe to soft land on the Moon in 1966, returned images + from surface. + LUNA 10 - First probe to orbit the Moon in 1966. + LUNA 13 - Second successful Soviet lunar soft landing mission in 1966. + ZOND 5 - First successful circumlunar craft. ZOND 6 through 8 + accomplished similar missions through 1970. The probes were + unmanned tests of a manned orbiting SOYUZ-type lunar vehicle. + LUNA 16 - First probe to land on Moon and return samples of lunar soil + to Earth in 1970. LUNA 20 accomplished similar mission in + 1972. + LUNA 17 - Delivered the first unmanned lunar rover to the Moon's + surface, LUNOKHOD 1, in 1970. A similar feat was accomplished + with LUNA 21/LUNOKHOD 2 in 1973. + LUNA 24 - Last Soviet lunar mission to date. Returned soil samples in + 1976. + + + SOVIET VENUS PROBES + + VENERA 1 - First acknowledged attempt at Venus mission. Transmissions + lost enroute in 1961. + VENERA 2 - Attempt to image Venus during flyby mission in tandem with + VENERA 3. Probe ceased transmitting just before encounter in + February of 1966. No images were returned. + VENERA 3 - Attempt to place a lander capsule on Venusian surface. + Transmissions ceased just before encounter and entire probe + became the first craft to impact on another planet in 1966. + VENERA 4 - First probe to successfully return data while descending + through Venusian atmosphere. Crushed by air pressure before + reaching surface in 1967. VENERA 5 and 6 mission profiles + similar in 1969. + VENERA 7 - First probe to return data from the surface of another planet + in 1970. VENERA 8 accomplished a more detailed mission in + 1972. + VENERA 9 - Sent first image of Venusian surface in 1975. Was also the + first probe to orbit Venus. VENERA 10 accomplished similar + mission. + VENERA 13 - Returned first color images of Venusian surface in 1982. + VENERA 14 accomplished similar mission. + VENERA 15 - Accomplished radar mapping with VENERA 16 of sections of + planet's surface in 1983 more detailed than PVO. + VEGA 1 - Accomplished with VEGA 2 first balloon probes of Venusian + atmosphere in 1985, including two landers. Flyby buses went on + to become first spacecraft to study Comet Halley close-up in + March of 1986. + + + SOVIET MARS PROBES + + MARS 1 - First acknowledged Mars probe in 1962. Transmissions ceased + enroute the following year. + ZOND 2 - First possible attempt to place a lander capsule on Martian + surface. Probe signals ceased enroute in 1965. + MARS 2 - First Soviet Mars probe to land - albeit crash - on Martian + surface. Orbiter section first Soviet probe to circle the Red + Planet in 1971. + MARS 3 - First successful soft landing on Martian surface, but lander + signals ceased after 90 seconds in 1971. + MARS 4 - Attempt at orbiting Mars in 1974, braking rockets failed to + fire, probe went on into solar orbit. + MARS 5 - First fully successful Soviet Mars mission, orbiting Mars in + 1974. Returned images of Martian surface comparable to U.S. + probe MARINER 9. + MARS 6 - Landing attempt in 1974. Lander crashed into the surface. + MARS 7 - Lander missed Mars completely in 1974, went into a solar orbit + with its flyby bus. + PHOBOS 1 - First attempt to land probes on surface of Mars' largest + moon, Phobos. Probe failed enroute in 1988 due to + human/computer error. + PHOBOS 2 - Attempt to land probes on Martian moon Phobos. The probe did + enter Mars orbit in early 1989, but signals ceased one week + before scheduled Phobos landing. + + While there has been talk of Soviet Jupiter, Saturn, and even + interstellar probes within the next thirty years, no major steps have + yet been taken with these projects. More intensive studies of the Moon, + Mars, Venus, and various comets have been planned for the 1990s, and a + Mercury mission to orbit and land probes on the tiny world has been + planned for 2003. How the many changes in the former Soviet Union (now + the Commonwealth of Independent States) will affect the future of their + space program remains to be seen. + + +JAPANESE PLANETARY MISSIONS + + SAKIGAKE (MS-T5) was launched from the Kagoshima Space Center by ISAS on + January 8 1985, and approached Halley's Comet within about 7 million km + on March 11, 1986. The spacecraft is carrying three instru- ments to + measure interplanetary magnetic field/plasma waves/solar wind, all of + which work normally now, so ISAS made an Earth swingby by Sakigake on + January 8, 1992 into an orbit similar to the earth's. The closest + approach was at 23h08m47s (JST=UTC+9h) on January 8, 1992. The + geocentric distance was 88,997 km. This is the first planet-swingby for + a Japanese spacecraft. + + During the approach, Sakigake observed the geotail. Some geotail + passages will be scheduled in some years hence. The second Earth-swingby + will be on June 14, 1993 (at 40 Re (Earth's radius)), and the third + October 28, 1994 (at 86 Re). + + + HITEN, a small lunar probe, was launched into Earth orbit on January 24, + 1990. The spacecraft was then known as MUSES-A, but was renamed to Hiten + once in orbit. The 430 lb probe looped out from Earth and made its first + lunary flyby on March 19, where it dropped off its 26 lb midget + satellite, HAGOROMO. Japan at this point became the third nation to + orbit a satellite around the Moon, joining the Unites States and USSR. + + The smaller spacecraft, Hagoromo, remained in orbit around the Moon. An + apparently broken transistor radio caused the Japanese space scientists + to lose track of it. Hagoromo's rocket motor fired on schedule on March + 19, but the spacecraft's tracking transmitter failed immediately. The + rocket firing of Hagoromo was optically confirmed using the Schmidt + camera (105-cm, F3.1) at the Kiso Observatory in Japan. + + Hiten made multiple lunar flybys at approximately monthly intervals and + performed aerobraking experiments using the Earth's atmosphere. Hiten + made a close approach to the moon at 22:33 JST (UTC+9h) on February 15, + 1992 at the height of 423 km from the moon's surface (35.3N, 9.7E) and + fired its propulsion system for about ten minutes to put the craft into + lunar orbit. The following is the orbital calculation results after the + approach: + + Apoapsis Altitude: about 49,400 km + Periapsis Altitude: about 9,600 km + Inclination : 34.7 deg (to ecliptic plane) + Period : 4.7 days + + +PLANETARY MISSION REFERENCES + + I also recommend reading the following works, categorized in three + groups: General overviews, specific books on particular space missions, + and periodical sources on space probes. This list is by no means + complete; it is primarily designed to give you places to start your + research through generally available works on the subject. If anyone can + add pertinent works to the list, it would be greatly appreciated. + + Though naturally I recommend all the books listed below, I think it + would be best if you started out with the general overview books, in + order to give you a clear idea of the history of space exploration in + this area. I also recommend that you pick up some good, up-to-date + general works on astronomy and the Sol system, to give you some extra + background. Most of these books and periodicals can be found in any good + public and university library. Some of the more recently published works + can also be purchased in and/or ordered through any good mass- market + bookstore. + + General Overviews (in alphabetical order by author): + + J. Kelly Beatty et al, THE NEW SOLAR SYSTEM, 1990. + + Merton E. Davies and Bruce C. Murray, THE VIEW FROM SPACE: + PHOTOGRAPHIC EXPLORATION OF THE PLANETS, 1971 + + Kenneth Gatland, THE ILLUSTRATED ENCYCLOPEDIA OF SPACE + TECHNOLOGY, 1990 + + Kenneth Gatland, ROBOT EXPLORERS, 1972 + + R. Greeley, PLANETARY LANDSCAPES, 1987 + + Douglas Hart, THE ENCYCLOPEDIA OF SOVIET SPACECRAFT, 1987 + + Nicholas L. Johnson, HANDBOOK OF SOVIET LUNAR AND PLANETARY + EXPLORATION, 1979 + + Clayton R. Koppes, JPL AND THE AMERICAN SPACE PROGRAM: A + HISTORY OF THE JET PROPULSION LABORATORY, 1982 + + Richard S. Lewis, THE ILLUSTRATED ENCYCLOPEDIA OF THE + UNIVERSE, 1983 + + Mark Littman, PLANETS BEYOND: DISCOVERING THE OUTER SOLAR + SYSTEM, 1988 + + Eugene F. Mallove and Gregory L. Matloff, THE STARFLIGHT + HANDBOOK: A PIONEER'S GUIDE TO INTERSTELLAR TRAVEL, 1989 + + Frank Miles and Nicholas Booth, RACE TO MARS: THE MARS + FLIGHT ATLAS, 1988 + + Bruce Murray, JOURNEY INTO SPACE, 1989 + + Oran W. Nicks, FAR TRAVELERS, 1985 (NASA SP-480) + + James E. Oberg, UNCOVERING SOVIET DISASTERS: EXPLORING THE + LIMITS OF GLASNOST, 1988 + + Carl Sagan, COMET, 1986 + + Carl Sagan, THE COSMIC CONNECTION, 1973 + + Carl Sagan, PLANETS, 1969 (LIFE Science Library) + + Arthur Smith, PLANETARY EXPLORATION: THIRTY YEARS OF UNMANNED + SPACE PROBES, 1988 + + Andrew Wilson, (JANE'S) SOLAR SYSTEM LOG, 1987 + + Specific Mission References: + + Charles A. Cross and Patrick Moore, THE ATLAS OF MERCURY, 1977 + (The MARINER 10 mission to Venus and Mercury, 1973-1975) + + Joel Davis, FLYBY: THE INTERPLANETARY ODYSSEY OF VOYAGER 2, 1987 + + Irl Newlan, FIRST TO VENUS: THE STORY OF MARINER 2, 1963 + + Margaret Poynter and Arthur L. Lane, VOYAGER: THE STORY OF A + SPACE MISSION, 1984 + + Carl Sagan, MURMURS OF EARTH, 1978 (Deals with the Earth + information records placed on VOYAGER 1 and 2 in case the + probes are found by intelligences in interstellar space, + as well as the probes and planetary mission objectives + themselves.) + + Other works and periodicals: + + NASA has published very detailed and technical books on every space + probe mission it has launched. Good university libraries will carry + these books, and they are easily found simply by knowing which mission + you wish to read about. I recommend these works after you first study + some of the books listed above. + + Some periodicals I recommend for reading on space probes are NATIONAL + GEOGRAPHIC, which has written articles on the PIONEER probes to Earth's + Moon Luna and the Jovian planets Jupiter and Saturn, the RANGER, + SURVEYOR, LUNAR ORBITER, and APOLLO missions to Luna, the MARINER + missions to Mercury, Venus, and Mars, the VIKING probes to Mars, and the + VOYAGER missions to Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, and Neptune. + + More details on American, Soviet, European, and Japanese probe missions + can be found in SKY AND TELESCOPE, ASTRONOMY, SCIENCE, NATURE, and + SCIENTIFIC AMERICAN magazines. TIME, NEWSWEEK, and various major + newspapers can supply not only general information on certain missions, + but also show you what else was going on with Earth at the time events + were unfolding, if that is of interest to you. Space missions are + affected by numerous political, economic, and climatic factors, as you + probably know. + + Depending on just how far your interest in space probes will go, you + might also wish to join The Planetary Society, one of the largest space + groups in the world dedicated to planetary exploration. Their + periodical, THE PLANETARY REPORT, details the latest space probe + missions. Write to The Planetary Society, 65 North Catalina Avenue, + Pasadena, California 91106 USA. + + Good luck with your studies in this area of space exploration. I + personally find planetary missions to be one of the more exciting areas + in this field, and the benefits human society has and will receive from + it are incredible, with many yet to be realized. + + Larry Klaes klaes@verga.enet.dec.com + +NEXT: FAQ #11/15 - Upcoming planetary probes - missions and schedules +";2;True +"From: cbruno@wpi.WPI.EDU (Christopher James Bruno) +Subject: Coil +Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute +Lines: 11 +NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu + +Hey everyone, I'm new to this newsgroup so please excuse me if this is a +dumb question....I want to build a crossover for my stereo and I need +a coil with an inductance of 6.8mH (actually I need 4). I was wondering +if anyone knew where I could buy these or how to make these. I've called +many places and no one I can find sells them. If you have the answers just +E - mail me.... +Thanks in advance.... +Chris + + + +";11;True +"From: emarsh@hernes-sun.Eng.Sun.COM (Eric Marsh) +Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is +Organization: Sun +Lines: 14 +NNTP-Posting-Host: hernes-sun + +In article lis450bw@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (lis450 Student) writes: +>My definition of objective would be absolute, or fixed, rather than +> +> subjective, or varying and changing. +> + +Lets see what the dictionary has to say: + +objective adj. 1. As having to do with a material object as distinguished +from a mental concept. 2. Having actual existance. 3.a. Uninfluenced +by emotion or personal prejudice. b. Based on observable phenomenon. + +eric + +";19;True +"From: amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker) +Subject: Re: Do we need the clipper for cheap security? +Organization: InterCon Systems Corporation - Herndon, VA USA +Lines: 24 +Distribution: world +Reply-To: amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker) +NNTP-Posting-Host: chaos.intercon.com +X-Newsreader: InterCon TCP/Connect II 1.1 + +ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu (Eli Brandt) writes: +> Instead we have a deliberately brain-dead version of a cryptosystem +> that has not even been peer reviewed. Yes, the NSA owns some smart +> people. But if they pulled a FEAL, well, AT&T is going to be left with +> a lot of dud phones on its hands. + +Agreed. Remember, I don't even think of Clipper as encryption in any real +sense--if I did, I'd probably be a lot more annoyed about it. + +> Heh heh. The government already gave it up for us. Remember in the +> announcement they described this scheme as balancing the two +> extremes of having no privacy and claiming that citizens had a +> Constitutional right to encryption? + +That's not for Clinton (or anyone under him) to say, though. Only the +federal and supreme courts can say anything about the constitutionality. +Anything the administration or any governmental agency says is opinion at +best. + + +Amanda Walker +InterCon Systems Corporation + + +";16;True +"From: cac2g@Virginia.EDU (""THE Wing Commander"") +Subject: Re: More Cool BMP files?? +Organization: University of Virginia +Distribution: usa +Lines: 4 + +Has anybody gotten this BMP to work? I try to uudecode it, but +I get ""input file error"" and no picture. Anybody? + +--Casey +";6;True +"From: 02106@ravel.udel.edu (Samuel Ross) +Subject: Sams comic sale!! Low prices!!! READ!!! +Nntp-Posting-Host: ravel.udel.edu +Organization: University of Delaware +Distribution: usa +Lines: 375 + +OK. Instead of holding an auction, I have decided to compute prices for each comic (after many suggestions). These are the most reasonable prices I can give (not negotiable). If you would like to purchase a comic (or group), simply email me with the title and issue #'s you want. The price for each issue is shown beside each comic. First come, first served!!! There is no more bidding. Meet my price and it is yours. I can be reached at this email address: + +02106@chopin.udel.edu or +02106@ravel.udel.edu or +02106@bach.udel.edu or +02106@brahms.udel.edu + +NO MORE HAGGLING ABOUT THE PRICE!!!!!!!! +LOTS OF COMICS FOR $1, $2, or $3 LOOK AT LIST!!!!! + +Shipping is $2 for 1-3 comics. For more than 3, the price will be determined by the volume of the purchase (I may have to use a big heavy box for large orders which costs more to mail). + +For all those who have bought comics from me, thanks!!! + +All comics are near mint unless otherwise noted (my books were graded by +mile high comics and other comic professional collectors, not me!) + +Here is the list: + + + +Incredible Hulk +156 (vs another Hulk) $3 +195 $2 +196 $2 +246 (vs Captain Marvel) $1 +248 $1 +249 $1 +250 (Double size issue vs Silver Surfer) $5 +255 (vs Thor) $1 +279 $1 +300 $2 +312 $2 +313 $1 +316 (vs Bi Coastal Avengers) $1 +347 $1 +348 $1 +350 (vs Thing) $2 +354 $1 +358 $1 +360 $1 +362 (vs Werewolf By Night) $2 +364 $1 +365 $1 +366 $1 +379 (1 copy) $5 + + +Punisher +50 $1 +57 $2 + +Punisher War Journal +29 (Ghost Rider) $2 +30 (Ghost Rider) $2 + +Punisher Armory +1 $4 +2 $2 + +Original Ghost Rider Rides Again (Reprint) +1 $1 + +Ghost Rider (old series) +37 $3 +43 (vs Johnny Blaze) $3 +77 (2 copies, origin of GR dream) $4 each + +Ghost Rider (new series) +15 (1st print, Green glow in dark cover, 1 copy) $5 +15 (2nd print, gold cover w/ glow cover) $3 + +Web of Spiderman +56 (2 copies) $2 each +60 $3 +69 (vs Hulk, 1 copy left!!!) $2 +70 (SpiderHulk, 1 copy left!!!) $2 +71 $1 +72 $1 +78 $1 + +Deadly Foes of Spiderman +1 (2 copies) $2 each +2 $2 +3 $2 + +Amazing Spiderman vs Dr. Octopus (special NACME issue) $2 + +Amazing Spiderman +350 (vs Dr. Doom, 1 copy LEFT!!!) $2 + +Spiderman (1990) +1 (silver, not bagged) $4 +6 $3 +7 $3 +8 (2 copies) $2 each +9 (w/ Wolverine, 1 COPY LEFT!!!) $2 +10 $2 +11 $1 +13 $5 +16 $1 + +New Warriors +1 (gold cover) $2 +8 $4 +10 $2 +11 $1 +12 $1 +13 $1 +14 (w/ Darkhawk) $1 +15 $1 + +Superman Man of Steel #1 $2 + +Superman (new) +53 (2 copies) $1 each +55 $1 +56 $1 + +Adventures of Superman +479 $1 +Annual #3 $1 + +Superman Annual #3 (Armegedon 2001 tie in) $1 + +Action Comics #666 $1 + +Avengers West Coast #69 (Hawkeye vs US Agent) $1 + +Batman +465 (Robin returns) $2 +466 $1 +467 $1 +Annual #15 (Armegedon 2001 tie in) $3 + +Captain America +230 (vs Hulk) $2 +257 (vs Hulk) $1 + + +Armegedon 2001 +1 $4 +2 $2 + + +Foolkiller #1 $2 + + +Infinity Gauntlet +1 $6 +4 $3 +5 $3 + +Double Dragon #1 $1 + +Deathlok (series) +2 $1 + +Transformers #80 (last issue) $2 + +Wonder Man +1 $1 +2 $1 + +Flaming Carrot #25 (w/ Ninja Turtles) $2 + +The Comet #1 $1 + +Legend of the Shield #1 $1 + +Justice Society of America +1 $1 +2 $1 +3 $1 +4 $1 + +Official movie mag from Turtles II movie (sealed w/ Jelloman comic) $5 + +Robin +1 (1 copies w/ poster) $3 +1 (3rd print) $1 +5 (6 copies) $1 each + +Guardians of the Galaxy +1 $6 +2 $3 +3 $2 +4 $2 +5 $2 +6 $2 +7 $2 +8 $2 +9 (2 copies) $3 each +10 $2 +11 $2 +12 $1 +13 $3 +14 $3 +15 $1 +16 $1 +17 $1 +18 (2 copies) $2 each + +Superman vs Amazing Spiderman (oversized issue from 70's) $7 + +DarkHawk +1 (3 copies) $8 each +2 (2 copies) $6 each +3 $5 +4 $4 +5 $4 +6 $3 +7 $2 +8 $2 +9 $3 +10 $1 + +Thor +246 $1 +428 $1 +429 (vs Juggernaut) $2 +430 (w/ Ghost Rider) $1 +431 $1 +432 (Thor vs Loki, 2 copies) $3 each +433 (new Thor) $2 +Annual #16 $1 + +What if.... +13 $1 +23 $1 +25 $2 +26 $1 + +Alpha Flight +29 $1 +51 $6 +53 $6 +94 (vs Fant. 4) $1 + +New Mutants +22 $2 +100 (last issue, 1st look at X-Force, 1st print, 2 copies) $5 each +100 (2nd print, gold cover) $4 + +Flash (new) +43 $1 +48 $1 +49 $1 +50 $2 +51 $1 +Annual #4 $1 + + +X-Men (new) +1 (all 5 covers) $1 each but $2 for magneto foldout cover + +Uncanny X-Men +191 $3 +215 $2 +255 (2 copies) $2 each +258 $6 +268 (1 sold,1 copy left!, Lee reg artist) $10 +275 (1 COPY LEFT 1st print) $6 +275 (gold 2nd print) $3 +276 $3 +277 $3 +278 $2 +279 $2 +280 $2 +281 $3 +282 $4 +283 $6 + +Defenders +52 (Hulk vs Sub Mariner) $2 + + +Fantastic Four +347 $4 +348 $2 +349 (3 copies) $2 each + +Wolverine +11 $3 +20 $2 +41 (w/ Cable, 2 copies) $6 each +42 $4 +43 $3 + +Silver Surfer (1987) +1 $6 +2 $3 +3 $3 +4 $3 +5 $2 +6 $2 +8 $2 +22 $2 +24 $2 +32 $2 +49 $2 +50 (Foil cover, only 1 copy left!!) $6 +51 $2 +52 $2 +53 $1 +54 $1 +55 $1 +56 $1 +58 $2 +59 $2 + +Avengers +326 $3 +328 (origin of Rage) $3 + +X-Factor +40 $6 +67 $3 +68 $6 +71 $3 +73 $1 + +Quasar +21 $1 +22 $1 +23 $1 +24 $1 + +Green Lantern (1990) +3 $2 +9 (2 copies) $1 each +10 $1 +11 $1 +12 $1 + +Toxic Avenger +1 (3 copies) $1 each +2 $1 + +Sleepwalker +1 (3 copies) $2 each +3 $1 +7 $1 + +Kool Aid Man #1 (sealed in white bag, 2 copies) $2 each + +X-Force +1 (bagged w/ Cable Card) $4 +1 (bagged w/ Shatterstar Card) $3 +2 $2 +3 $1 +4 $1 + +NFL Superpro +1 $1 + +Dr. Strange #31 $1 + +Hawkworld Annual #2 (2nd print, Armegedon 2001 tie in) $1 + +Hawk & Dove Annual #2 (Armegedon 2001 tie in) $1 + +Justice League of America Annual #5 (Armegedon 2001 tie in) $1 + + + +Send all bids and comments to + +02106@chopin.udel.edu + +Thanks +Sam (the ""ex"" comic book collector) + + +College of Electrical Engineering, University of Delaware +";8;True +"From: spork@camelot.bradley.edu (Richard Izzo) +Subject: Re: Royals +Nntp-Posting-Host: camelot.bradley.edu +Organization: Bradley University +Distribution: na +Lines: 20 + +In randall@informix.com (Randall Rhea) writes: + +>The Royals are darkness. They are the void of our time. +>When they play, shame descends upon the land like a cold front +>from Canada. They are a humiliation to all who have lived and +>all who shall ever live. They are utterly and completely +>doomed. +>Other than that, I guess they're OK. + + Oh, lighten up. What depresses me is that they might actually +finish last, which I believe hasn't happened since their second season in +1970. Never mind that Gubizca is 0-2 with a 16.50 ERA, Gardner at 7.50, +our main recent acquisitions (Lind, McReynolds, Jose) are averaging .210, +David Cone is 0-2 (about how he was doing in KC before joining the Mets +several years ago), our hitting sucks, and our pitching has collapsed, +and we've won one game at home; they've won more games in their first ten +games than last year, and Brian McRae is actually batting over the +Mendoza line! + +rich. +";14;True +"From: jmetz@austin.ibm.com () +Subject: Re: Twitching eye? +Originator: jmetz@jmetz.austin.ibm.com +Organization: IBM Austin +Lines: 4 + + + I had this one time. I attributed it to a lack of sleep since it disappeared +after a few nights of good zzz's. + +";4;True +"From: jnielsen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John F Nielsen) +Subject: Re: top 10 reasons why i love CR (not for the humor impaired) +Article-I.D.: magnus.1993Apr6.214754.23608 +Distribution: na +Organization: The Ohio State University +Lines: 52 +Nntp-Posting-Host: magnusug.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu + +In article <1993Apr6.195710.24227@cs.tulane.edu> finnegan@navo.navy.mil writes: +>In article <1993Apr6.180456.17573@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, jnielsen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John F Nielsen) writes: +>|> In article <1993Apr06.133319.7008@metrics.com> tomh@metrics.com (Tom Haapanen) writes: +>|> >CHINTS@ISCS.NUS.SG writes: +>|> >> Here are ""another"" ten reasons why we should all love CR +>|> >> 10. Car salesmen love their new car buying service +>|> >> 2. And later on buying a CR ""idealized family sedan"" +>|> > +>|> >And my number 1: +>|> > +>|> >1. The spectacle of the religious fervour of the CR ""true believers"". +>|> +>|> Or the spectacle of ""Macho Real Men"" who would never bother to read the +>|> magazine but are more than apt to criticize it. +> +>Hey, I'm a ""Macho Real Man"" and I DO read it. So I can criticize +>it all I want, especially since I pay for the publication. (They +>accept no outside advertising, don't you know....) +> +>|> John Nielsen MAGNUS Consultant ______ ______ __ __ +>|> ""To you Baldrick, the Renaissance was just /\ __ \ /\ ___\ /\ \/\ \ +>|> something that happened to other people, \ \ \/\ \\ \___ \\ \ \_\ \ +>|> wasn't it?"" - The Black Adder \ \_____\\/\_____\\ \_____\ +> +>Relying on Consumer Reports to pick your automobiles is like +>letting Field & Stream select your living room furniture. +> +>Kenneth +>finnegan@navo.navy.mil + +No one should EVER rely on just a magazine to determine what car they +buy, I don't care what magazine. Btw, I subscribe to three other +auto rags, I just think CU is getting a bum rap by these macho men +from hell who think real men should read . . . . + +Statements like what you said above have no meaning. People keep on +saying ""CU is only good for dishwashing detergent"" or as you +said:""Relying on Consumer Reports . . . . is like. . ."" and that is +all they say. + +If there were as critical of themsevles as they are of CU maybe there +would be some real content. + +john + + + +-- +John Nielsen MAGNUS Consultant ______ ______ __ __ +""To you Baldrick, the Renaissance was just /\ __ \ /\ ___\ /\ \/\ \ +something that happened to other people, \ \ \/\ \\ \___ \\ \ \_\ \ +wasn't it?"" - The Black Adder \ \_____\\/\_____\\ \_____\ +";10;True +"From: Brian.Vaughan@um.cc.umich.edu (Brian Vaughan) +Subject: For Sale: Kawasaki EX500 (Michigan) +Organization: University of Michigan +Lines: 13 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: dss1.uis.itd.umich.edu + + * FOR SALE * + From Ann Arbor, Michigan + +1988 Kawasaki EX-500 +6682 miles +Cherry Red +Excellent condition +Asking $2300 + +Contact Brian at (313) 747-1604 (days) + (313) 434-7284 (evenings & weekends) + or e-mail at vaughan@umich.edu...or reply to this post. + +";7;True +"From: PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) +Subject: Re: Gun Control (was Re: We're Mad as Hell at the TV News) +Article-I.D.: martha.1993Apr6.162820.19369 +Organization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education +Lines: 47 + +In article manes@magpie.linknet.com (Steve Manes) writes: +>Frank Crary (fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU) wrote: +>: That's all very well and good, but I was refering to all +>: homocides, not just ones involving handguns (what is this fixation +>: on death by shooting, as if it were somehow worse than death +>: by stabbing?) +> +>What relevance are ALL homicides in this debate? What do you think gun +>control advocates are saying: that if we get rid of all handguns we will +>live in a homicide-free world? + + The relevance is that if you've got x homicides and reduce +the number of gun homicides in that group, but x doesn't decrease +by a significant amount, have you made an improvement, and is that +improvement worth what you've paid? + +>The issue is guns, not baseball bats. Even a simpleton knows that +>he stands a better chance of surviving an attack with a baseball bat... +>certainly of outrunning a bat-wielding assailant. + + If a baseball bat is a tenth as likely to kill a victim as a gun, +is that any comfort to that tenth? + +>As for knives, see my earlier post. I'd much rather face a knife +>than a gun, thanks. + + I've faced a knife. And I was damn annoyed I didn't *have* +a gun. All the statistics in the world didn't change the fact that +*he* was interested in cutting *me*. + +>Fortunately, the best defense against a knife isn't +>another knife. Anyone trained in unarmed self-defense won't have +>much of a problem disarming a knife assailant untrained in knife +>assault (which probably means 99.9% of knife assailants). + + ""Anyone trained in self-defense."" + + Unarmed self-defense isn't for everyone. What's more, it requires +substantially more training to be safe and effective than a firearm. +It requires physical proximity and thus a greater threat to the victim, +which is a primary problem with stun guns. You have to actually touch +your assailant. Unless you're *very* good, a large, stronger assailant +can simply ignore your blows long enough to incapacitate you. + +------------------------------------------------------------------------ +David Veal Univ. of Tenn. Div. of Cont. Education Info. Services Group +PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu +";3;True +"From: prb@access.digex.com (Pat) +Subject: Re: Shuttle oxygen (was Budget Astronaut) +Organization: Express Access Online Communications USA +Lines: 11 +NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net + + + +I thought that under emergency conditions, the STS can +put down at any good size Airport. IF it could take a C-5 or a +747, then it can take an orbiter. You just need a VOR/TAC + +I don't know if they need ILS. + +pat + +ANyone know for sure. +";2;True +"From: anwar+@cs.cmu.edu (Anwar Mohammed) +Subject: Who should be spied on... +Keywords: hypocritical pig +Nntp-Posting-Host: gs135.sp.cs.cmu.edu +Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon +Lines: 62 + +In article eshneken@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Edward A Shnekendorf) writes: +>anwar+@cs.cmu.edu (Anwar Mohammed) writes: +> +>>In article <4815@bimacs.BITNET> ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich) writes: +>>>The readers of this forum seemed to be more interested in the contents +>>>of those files. +>>>So It will be nice if Yigal will tell us: +>>>1. Why do American authorities consider Yigal Arens to be dangerous? +> +>>ADL authorities seem to view a lot of people as dangerous, including +>>the millions of Americans of Arab ancestry. Perhaps you can answer +>>the question as to why the ADL maintained files and spied on ADC members +>>in California (and elsewhere??)? Friendly rivalry perhaps? +> +>Come on! Most if not all Arabs are sympathetic to the Palestinian war +>against Israel. That is why the ADL monitors Arab organizations. That is +>the same reason the US monitored communist organizations and Soviet nationals +>only a few years ago. +> + +The ADC is an organization of Arab-*AMERICANS*. + +Let me see...you're saying that ""most if not all"" Arab-AMERICANS should be +spied on? You're also saying that ""most if not all"" Arab-AMERICANS +should be views as a national security threat to Israel (and the US, +as you gratuitously imply in your reference to the WTC bombing, in +which no Arab-AMERICANS were involved)? By inference, can we assume +that you think that anyone of Arab lineage anywhere in the world poses +a threat to Israel and, therefore, should be spied on? + +Perhaps, then, on the basis of Pollard spy case (not to mention the +Rosenbergs, etc.) you think that all Jewish Americans should be spied +on by the ADC. + +Oh, never mind; this whole spying case has obviously so +convoluted your sense of right or wrong in these matters that I have +no wish confuse you further. + +>>Perhaps Yigal is a Greenpeace member? Or the NAACP? Or a reporter? +>>Or a member of any of the dozens of other political organizations/ethnic +>>minorities/occupations that the ADL spied on. +> +>All of these groups have, in the past, associated with or been a part of anti- +>Israel activity or propoganda. The ADL is simply monitoring them so that if +>anything comes up, they won't be caught by surprise. + +So the LA times reporter who had information about him +sold to the South African government was involved in ""anti-Israel +activity or propaganda""? Are we to infer that the simple act of +reporting an event in a newspaper constitutes ""anti-Israel +activity or propaganda""? Or was it South Africa? The LA +times reporter was based in South Africa, after all. + +> +> +>>>Gideon Ehrlich +>>-anwar +>Ed. +> + + +-anwar again +";15;True +"From: Petch@gvg47.gvg.tek.com (Chuck Petch) +Subject: Anybody out there? +Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley, CA +Lines: 30 + +I seldom see any posts in this group. Is anyone out there in Christendom +listening? If so, why don't we get some dialog going here? + +Here's a topic to get things started. My daughter's Christian school sends +home a weekly update on school related topics. This week they sent +something *very* interesting. It was an article written by the leader of a +national (US) Christian school organization about a trip he recently made +to Jerusalem. While there, he was introduced to one of the rabbis who is +working on a project to rebuild the Temple at Jerusalem. The article +included photos of the many furnishings that have already been made in +preparation for furnishing the rebuilt temple according to the +specifications given in the Bible. + +What was even more striking is the fact that the plans for the temple are +complete and the group is only awaiting permission from the Israeli +government before beginning the building. The other startling fact is the +very recent archeological discovery that the original site of the temple is +unoccupied and available for building. Previously it has been thought that +the original site was underneath what is now a mosque, making rebuilding +impossible without sparking a holy war. + +Now it appears that nothing stands in the way of rebuilding and resuming +sacrifices, as the Scriptures indicate will happen in the last days. +Although the Israeli government will give the permission to start, I think +it is the hand of God holding the project until He is ready to let it +happen. Brothers and sisters, the time is at hand. Our redemption is +drawing near. Look up! + +[Postings are in the range of 30 to 50 per day, except weekends. +If people aren't seeing that, we've got propagation problems. --clh] +";17;True +"From: johnston@me.udel.edu (Bill Johnston) +Subject: Re: Quadra SCSI Problems??? +Keywords: Quadra SCSI APS +Nntp-Posting-Host: me.udel.edu +Organization: University of Delaware +Lines: 19 + +In article <1993Apr16.144750.1568@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> nodine@lcs.mit.edu (Mark H. Nodine) writes: +>I don't know about the specific problem mentioned in your +>message, but I definitely had SCSI problems between my +>Q700 and my venerable Jasmine Megadrive 10 cartridge +>drives. My solution was to get Silverlining. None of +>the loops that involved blind writes worked to the drives; +>in fact the only loop that worked was the ""Macintosh +>Software"" loop (whatever that means). + +I doubt this is a Quadra-specific problem. I had to get +rid of my ""venerable"" Bernoulli 20 last year (with enough +cartridges purchased at ~$90 each to make the whole thing +worth more than my whole computer ;). The tech support guys +at Ocean Microsystems suggested that some third-party drivers +might fix the problem - in my case the cartridges wouldn't +format/mount/partition for A/UX. +-- +-- Bill Johnston (johnston@me.udel.edu) +-- 38 Chambers Street; Newark, DE 19711; (302)368-1949 +";0;True +"From: cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) +Subject: New Study Out On Gay Percentage +Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA +Lines: 27 + + +From the Santa Rosa (Cal.) Press-Democrat, April 15, 1993, p. B2: + + Male sex survey: Gay activity low + + A new natonal study on male sexual behavior, the most thorough + examination of American men's sexual practices published since + the Kinsey report more than four decades ago, shows about 2 + percent of the men surveyed had engaged in homosexual sex and + 1 percent considered themselves exclusively homosexual. + + The figures on homosexuality in the study released Wednesday + by the Alan Guttmacher Institute are significantly lower than + the 10 percent figure that has been part of the conventional + wisdom since it was published in the Kinsey report. + +The article also contains numbers on the number of sexual partners. +The median number of sexual partners for all men 20-39 was 7.3. +Compared to the table I have already posted from Masters, Johnson, +and Kolodny showing male homosexual partners, it is apparent that +homosexual men are dramatically more promiscuous than the general +male population. It's a shame that we don't have a breakdown for +straight men vs. gay/bi men -- that would show even more dramatically +how much more promiscuous gay/bi men are. +-- +Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer My opinions, all mine! +Relations between people to be by mutual consent, or not at all. +";18;True +"From: chrisb@tafe.sa.edu.au (Chris BELL) +Subject: Re: Don't more innocents die without the death penalty? +Organization: South Australian Regional Academic and Research Network +Lines: 19 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: baarnie.tafe.sa.edu.au + +""James F. Tims"" writes: + +>By maintaining classes D and E, even in prison, it seems as if we +>place more innocent people at a higher risk of an unjust death than +>we would if the state executed classes D and E with an occasional error. + +I would rather be at a higher risk of being killed than actually killed by + ^^^^ ^^^^^^^^ +mistake. Though I do agree with the concept that the type D and E murderers +are a massive waste of space and resources I don't agree with the concept: + + killing is wrong + if you kill we will punish you + our punishment will be to kill you. + +Seems to be lacking in consistency. + +-- +""I know"" is nothing more than ""I believe"" with pretentions. +";9;True +"From: adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack) +Subject: Re: Fundamentalism - again. +Organization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University +Lines: 19 + +In article khan0095@nova.gmi.edu (Mohammad Razi Khan) writes: +>One of my biggest complaints about using the word ""fundamentalist"" +>is that (at least in the U.S.A.) people speak of muslime +>fundamentalists ^^^^^^^muslim +>but nobody defines what a jewish or christan fundamentalist is. +>I wonder what an equal definition would be.. +>any takers.. + + The American press routinely uses the word fundamentalist to +refer to both Christians and Jews. Christian fundementalists are +often refered to in the context of anti-abortion protests. The +American media also uses fundamentalist to refer to Jews who live in +Judea, Samaria or Gaza, and to any Jew who follows the torah. + +Adam +Adam Shostack adam@das.harvard.edu + +""If we had a budget big enough for drugs and sexual favors, we sure +wouldn't waste them on members of Congress..."" -John Perry Barlow +";15;True +"From: tron@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Tron R.) +Subject: modulation over rf +Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana +Lines: 11 + +I would like to modulate a 40KHz squarewave over rf. This is for a rf +remote control project. The squarewave has a high of 5 v and low of 0v. + +thanks. + +tron +-- + T + T T + T T T + T T T +";11;True +"From: jca2@cec1.wustl.edu (Joseph Charles Achkar) +Subject: Re: Numerical Nothingness +Nntp-Posting-Host: cec1 +Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO +Lines: 38 + +In article <1993Apr18.140401.18439@freenet.carleton.ca> ad684@Freenet.carleton.ca (Bob Wilson) writes: +> +>Mario averaged 2.66666666666666666666666666666666666666666666 +>points per game ... the Antigretz + +Gretzky averaged 2.69 pts/game + +>Mario projected over 80 games. +>213 points (beats Wayne's record by 1) + +Check your information before posting, Gretzky's record is 215 pts in 80 games. + + +>Over 84 games 97 g + 127 a = 224 points. +> +Over 84 games, Gretzky's total projected 226 points. + +>Pitt's winning percentage with Mario (45-10-5) over 84 games +>-> 133 points. Would this have been a record? +>I know Mtl had 132 one year. + +The 76-77 Canadiens had .825 percentage, 132 pts in 80 games. (60-8-12). +The 29-30 Bruins had a .875 winning percentage. +Also the 77-78 Canadiens had a .806 percentage with a 59-10-11 record. + +>Bob Wilson +>ad684@freenet.carleton.ca + + %*%*%*%**%*%%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%* + * __ ______________ ____________________________________ % + % \ \_)____________/ A L L E Z L E S B L U E S ! ! ! * + * \ __________/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ % + % \ ________/ * + * \ _______/ Joe Ashkar % + % \ \ Contact for the Blues * + * \ \ SAINT LOUIS jca2@cec1.wustl.edu % + % (___) BLUES * + *%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*% +";13;True +"From: jpw0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (JASON PAUL WALTERS) +Subject: Re: GW2000 and SIMMS +Organization: Lehigh University +Lines: 24 + +In article <113956@bu.edu>, nshah@acs2.bu.edu writes: +>I have a gateway2000 483/33 local bus system. It has 4 slots for SIMMS +>that either have to use 4 or 16MB simms. My question: I just +>received a 4x9 70ns simm and it has ~30 pins. The slot on the +>motherboard has at least 70 or so pins. Did I get the wrong simm +>or can I still use my simm , although not all the pins on the slot would +>be flilled. I have never encountered such a long slot for simms before. +>Anyone have suggestions? I can't get a hold of Gateway yet. Thanks +>Please post to the net or : nshah@acs.bu.edu +> +Yes, You bought the WRONG SIMMS.....You need 1X36 or 4X36, which are 72 pin +SIMMS.....These are better anyway becuase the send/receive data in 4byte +(32bit+4bit parity, one for each byte) Chunks. You will undoubtedly see these +SIMMS becoming more widely used in the near future. + +Jason +-- + + + **************************** + * Jason Walters * + * JPW0@LEHIGH.EDU * + *JPW0@PL122.eecs.LEHIGH.EDU* + * a.k.a. Modem Mouth * +";5;True +"From: layfield@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (Colin Layfield) +Subject: Re: Smiths birthday goal was LEAFS GO ALL THE WAY !!! +Organization: University of Calgary Computer Science +Lines: 23 + +In article mwm@aps.anl.gov writes: +>In article 5KL@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca, kwk2chow@descartes.uwaterloo.ca (KEVIN C.) writes: +>> (Thanks for the goals by Steve Smith) +>I don't see why more people don't blame grant fuhr for the goal that smith +>put in his own net, it's common to play the puck back to your own goalie when +>deep in your own end and under little or no pressure from the offensive team. +>If fuhr had been in position the puck would have never crossed the line. +> +>Mike McDowell + +I have to disagree with you on this one. It is anything BUT common. In the +4 or 5 years I have been watching hockey I have NEVER seen this happen EVER. + +I am not sure what league you have been watching. :-) + +Anyone else agree with this? + + Colin Layfield | ""Religion and Sex are power plays, + | Manipulate the people for the money they pay, + The University of Calgary | Selling Skin, Selling God + Computer Science | The numbers look the same on their CREDIT CARDS!"" + layfield@cpsc.ucalgary.ca | - Queensryche + +";13;True +"From: montasmm@ntmtv.com (Medi Montaseri) +Subject: Saddle bags and helmets for sale... +Originator: montasmm@nmtvs299 +Nntp-Posting-Host: nmtvs299 +Reply-To: montasmm@ntmtv.com (Medi Montaseri) +Organization: Northern Telecom Inc, Mountain View, CA +Distribution: ba +Lines: 28 + +I'm selling the following items... + + - a pair of hard saddle bags + - easy installation + - snap release feature with lock + - black + - brand is Krusures + + - two oshi full face helmets + + take all for $275 + +These are comming off of my bike that I'm selling, maybe +you could use the whole thing, bike and accessories. + + 1983 Yamaha, vision 550 + + call Medi @ work (415) 940-2306 + home (408) 744-1169 + +Thanks + + +-- ++-------------------------------------------------------+ +| Medi Montaseri montasmm@ntmtv.com | +| ...{ames.mcdcup}!ntmtv!montasmm | ++-------------------------------------------------------+ +";7;True +"From: alee@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu (Alec Lee) +Subject: Scan Rate vs. Font Size +Summary: Which is more important? +Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci. +Lines: 10 + +This past winter I found myself spending a ridiculous amout of time in front +of my computer. Since my eyes were going berserk, I decided to shell out +some serious money to upgrade from a 14"" to a 17"" monitor. I'm running +800x600 at 72 Hz. My eyes are very grateful. However, I find myself using +a smaller font with less eye strain. Has anyone else had this kind of +experience? I thought that small fonts were the culprit but it seems that +flicker was my real problem. Any comments? + +Alec Lee +alee@cs.du.edu +";5;True +"From: make@cs.tu-berlin.de (M. Kerkhoff) +Subject: Re: Using Microsoft Foundation Classes with Borland C++ 3.1 +Organization: Technical University of Berlin, Germany +Lines: 17 +Distribution: usa +NNTP-Posting-Host: troll.cs.tu-berlin.de +Mime-Version: 1.0 +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 +Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit + +Hi all, + +has anybody tried to compile CTRLTEST from the MFC/SAMPLES directory, +after compiling the MFC-libs with BWC ? + +Seems to me, that BWC isn't able to distinguish pointers to overloaded +functions. +For example, imagine the following 2 (overloaded) functions: +void same_name ( void ) +void same_name ( int ) + +After trying the whole day, I think, with BWC its impossible to take the +adress of one of the above two functions and assign it to a properly defined +function pointer. +Am I right ? Has anybody else had this problem ? + + thanx +";6;True +"From: vincent@cad.gatech.edu (Vincent Fox) +Subject: Noisy SE: What can I do? +Organization: Deep Thirteen, Gizmonics Institute +Lines: 14 +Distribution: usa +NNTP-Posting-Host: cae.cad.gatech.edu + +There's this old SE here. It's got the older-style fans that remind +me of a house-ventilator. A cylindrical drum instead of the bladed rotor +I usually see. Anyway, the SE makes this loud buzzing noise due +to vibration somewheres. If I remove the screws and loosen the front +from the back, it quiets down. I can only assume that the fan housing +from this goofy thing is touching the back of the case and vibrating +against it. + +Anyway, any suggestions for where to get replacement fans and how to +""stealth"" this guy? Your experiences welcome..... + +-- +""If everything had gone as planned, everything would have been perfect."" + -BATF spokesperson on CNN 3/2/93, regarding failed raid attempt in TX. +";0;True +"From: ken@sugra.uucp (Kenneth Ng) +Subject: Re: nuclear waste +Organization: Private Computer, Totowa, NJ +Lines: 18 + +In article <1993Mar31.191658.9836@mksol.dseg.ti.com: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes: +:Just a bit off, Phil. We don't reprocess nuclear fuel because what +:you get from the reprocessing plant is bomb-grade plutonium. It is +:also cheaper, given current prices of things, to simply fabricate new +:fuel rods rather than reprocess the old ones, creating potentially +:dangerous materials (from a national security point of view) and then +:fabricate that back into fuel rods. + +Fabricating with reprocessed plutonium may result in something that may go +kind of boom, but its hardly decent bomb grade plutonium. If you want bomb +grade plutonium use a research reactor, not a power reactor. But if you want +a bomb, don't use plutonium, use uranium. + +-- +Kenneth Ng +Please reply to ken@eies2.njit.edu for now. +""All this might be an elaborate simulation running in a little device sitting +on someone's table"" -- J.L. Picard: ST:TNG +";2;True +"From: edm@twisto.compaq.com (Ed McCreary) +Subject: Re: Victims of various 'Good Fight's +In-Reply-To: 9051467f@levels.unisa.edu.au's message of 12 Apr 93 21: 36:33 +0930 +Organization: Compaq Computer Corp + <9454@tekig7.PEN.TEK.COM> <1993Apr12.213633.20143@levels.unisa.edu.au> +Lines: 12 + +>>>>> On 12 Apr 93 21:36:33 +0930, 9051467f@levels.unisa.edu.au (The Desert Brat) said: + +TDB> 12. Disease introduced to Brazilian * oher S.Am. tribes: x million + +To be fair, this was going to happen eventually. Given time, the Americans +would have reached Europe on their own and the same thing would have +happened. It was just a matter of who got together first. + +-- +Ed McCreary ,__o +edm@twisto.compaq.com _-\_<, +""If it were not for laughter, there would be no Tao."" (*)/'(*) +";9;True +"From: adriene_nazaretian@qm.yale.edu (Adriene Nazaretian) +Subject: Re: win nt +Nntp-Posting-Host: gorgon.cis.yale.edu +Organization: Yale University; New Haven, Connecticut USA +Lines: 22 + +In article <1pq66v$kkt@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu>, raymaker@bcm.tmc.edu (Mark Raymaker) says: +> +>Is anyone aware of existing ipx/netx software for WindowsNT or +>is attachment to Netware a FUTURE release? +>please respond to internet mail: raymaker@bcm.tmc.edu +>thanks +> + +I believe the beta version of the service is available via ftp on +ftp.cica.indiana.edu +in pub/pc/win3/nt called something like nwnt.zip + +There is an INDEX ascii file there, which lists the programs in that directory +and what they do. + +unfortunately this beta will also disable netbeui and tcp/ip over your +primary nic, so if you really want to run it, get yourself an extra nic and +bind it to that. + +Otherwise wait for next release, like I am. + +Adriene +";6;True +"From: kenney@tribe.b17d.ingr.COM (David Kenney) +Subject: My 1993 Predictions +Reply-To: kenney@tribe.b17d.ingr.com +Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, Alabama +Lines: 57 + +I thought I'd post my predicted standings since I find those posted by others +to be interesting. Sorry this is after Opening Day. I certify that these +were completed before the first pitch. :-) + +AL East +1. New York Yankees - the most (only?) improved team in this division +2. Toronto Blue Jays - Stewart and Morris? No way. +3. Milwaukee Brewers - they always seem to do better than I expect +4. Baltimore Orioles - Pitching, but Devareaux, Anderson, and Hoiles will drop +5. Cleveland Indians - Still don't seem to know what they are doing +6. Detroit Tigers - All key players but Fryman are another year past peak +7. Boston Red Sox - Any team with Clemens and Viola might be beter than 7th + +Al West - this division was the toughest for me to pick. Whoever of the top + 4 gets pitching should win it. +1. Minnesota Twins - young pitchers seem to have best chance for success +2. Texas Rangers - I don't know why I have them here. Jose Canseco? +3. Chicago White Sox - Frank Thomas but no pitching. +4. Oakland A's - LaRussa is the best manager and would keep any team close +5. Seattle Mariners - I like Pinella, but don't see much here +6. Kansas City Royals - will score no runs +7. California Angels - will win no games + +NL East +1. Montreal Expos - good all around, plus no Wallach! +2. St. Louis Cardinals - (Jeffries + Whiten) >> (Jose + Clark), no Galarraga +3. Pittsburgh Pirates - youngsters will take up more slack than expected +4. New York Mets - some good players, still not a ""team"" +5. Philadelphia Phillies - they don't impress me +6. Florida Marlins - they know what they're doing +7. Chicago Cubs - they don't know what they're doing + +NL West - The 2 best teams in baseball are in this division. +1. Atlanta Braves - Awesome starters, but offense could be a concern +2. Cincinnati Reds - Would not surprise me if they won it all +3. Houston Astros - Any team that signs Uribe won't contend. Closer to 4 than 2 +4. San Diego Padres - Plantier could be the Sheffield of 1993 +5. Los Angeles Dodgers - better pitching than the Giants +6. San Francisco Giants - because the Rockies just stink +7. Colorado Rockies - will become the Seattle Mariners of the NL. + + +NLCS Montreal d. Atlanta (Braves fans, yes I'm probably contradicting + what I said in my NL West comment.) +ALCS New York d. Minnesota + +World Series New York d. Montreal - Hating the Yankees will be + fashionable again + +NL MVP: Barry Bonds, or maybe McGriff +NL Cy Young: Jose Rijo +AL MVP: Frank Thomas will deserve it (again), but Fielder might win it +AL Cy Young: Roger Clemens (at least will deserve it (again)) + +-- +------------------------------------------------------------------------------- +David Kenney kenney@tribe.b17d.ingr.com +";14;True +"From: pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com (Dillon Pyron) +Subject: Re: space food sticks +Keywords: food +Lines: 25 +Nntp-Posting-Host: skndiv.dseg.ti.com +Reply-To: pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com +Organization: TI/DSEG VAX Support + + +In article , jelson@rcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (John Elson) writes: +>Has anyone ever heard of a food product called ""Space Food Sticks?"" This +>was apparently created/marketed around the time of the lunar expeditions, along +>with ""Tang"" and other dehydrated foods. I have spoken with several people +>who have eaten these before, and they described them as a dehydrated candy. +>Any information would be greatly appreciated. + +A freeze dried Tootsie Roll (tm). The actual taste sensation was like nothing +you will ever willingly experience. The amazing thing was that we ate a second +one, and a third and .... + +I doubt that they actually flew on missions, as I'm certain they did ""bad +things"" to the gastrointestinal tract. Compared to Space Food Sticks, Tang was +a gastronomic contribution to mankind. +-- +Dillon Pyron | The opinions expressed are those of the +TI/DSEG Lewisville VAX Support | sender unless otherwise stated. +(214)462-3556 (when I'm here) | +(214)492-4656 (when I'm home) |God gave us weather so we wouldn't complain +pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com |about other things. +PADI DM-54909 | + +PS. I don't think Tang flew, either. Although it was developed under contract. + +";2;True +"From: ruocco@ghost.dsi.unimi.it (sergio ruocco) +Subject: Re: HOT NEW 3D Software +Keywords: Imagine,3d +Organization: Computer Science Dep. - Milan University +Lines: 26 + + +I don't have nor Imagine nor Real 3d, but as old +Amiga user I think you should take a look also to +Real 3d 2.0 for the Amiga. I saw Imagine 2.0 on the +Amiga for a long time at my friend's home, and +I've seen R3D 2.0 in action at Bit.Movie 93 in Riccione, +Italy (an Italian Computer Graphics Contest). +Many professionals using 3d Studio on PC, SoftImage +for Silicon Graphics and Imagine on the Amiga were +*VERY IMPRESSED* by the power of this programs. +Sorry, I've lost the posting with full description +of features of this great program. + +For more informations give a look in comp.sys.amiga.graphics. + +Representative of Activa International told me that +it will be out in 2 weeks for the Amiga and that +PC MS-Windows, Silicon Indigo and Unix version are +under development. + +Ciao, + Sergio + + + + +-- +Sergio Ruocco - ruocco@ghost.sm.dsi.unimi.it +Via Di Vittorio, 4 +I-20019 Settimo Milanese Milano +Phone: 0039-2-3283896 +";1;True +"From: wlm@wisdom.attmail.com (Bill Myers) +Subject: Re: graphics libraries +In-Reply-To: ch41@prism.gatech.EDU's message of 21 Apr 93 12:56:08 GMT +Organization: /usr1/lib/news/organization +Lines: 28 + + +> Does anyone out there have any experience with Figaro+ form TGS or +> HOOPS from Ithaca Software? I would appreciate any comments. + +Yes, I do. A couple of years ago, I did a comparison of the two +products. Some of this may have changed, but here goes. + +As far as a PHIGS+ implementation, Figaro+ is fine. But, its PHIGS! +Personally, I hate PHIGS because I find it is too low level. I also +dislike structure editing, which I find impossible, but enough about +PHIGS. + +I have found HOOPS to be a system that is full-featured and easy to +use. They support all of their rendering methods in software when +there is no hardware support, their documentation is good, and they +are easily portable to other systems. + +I would be happy to elaborate further if you have more specific +questions. +-- +|------------------------------------------------------| + ~~~ Here's lookin' at ya. + ~~_ _~~ + |`O-@'| Bill | wlm@wisdom.attmail.com + @| > |@ Phone: (216) 831-2880 x2002 + |\___/| + |_____| +|______________________________________________________| +";1;True +"From: fpa1@Trumpet.CC.MsState.Edu (Fletcher P Adams) +Subject: Re: ABOLISH SELECTIVE SERVICE +Nntp-Posting-Host: trumpet.cc.msstate.edu +Organization: Mississippi State University +Lines: 35 + +kmitchel@netcom.com (Kenneth C. Mitchell) writes: +>Dave Borden (borden@head-cfa.harvard.edu) wrote: +>: The Selective Service Registration should be abolished. To start with, the +>: draft is immoral. Whether you agree with that or not, we don't have one now, +>: and military experts agree that the quality of the armed forces is superior +>: with a volunteer army than with draftees. Finally, the government has us +>: on many lists in many computers (the IRS, Social Security Admistration and +>: Motor Vehicle Registries to name a few) and it can find us if it needs to. +>: Maintaining yet another list of people is an utter waste of money and time. +>: Let's axe this whole department, and reduce the deficit a little bit. + +I'm really surprised Clinton hasn't already tried to do this. He seems +to want to tackle other irrelevant issues first, so why not this one as well. + +>Let me say this about that, as a retired Navy officer; +> +>I agree. Cut it. But let's not stop there. +> +>Eliminate the C-17 transport. + +Wrong. We need its capability. Sure it has its problems, very few +airplanes haven't, but getting rid of something we need is not the +answer. What do you want to do, start over a rebuild a new airplane +from scatch? It'll have its problems as well and there will be calls +again, for it to be scrapped. THe other option is to try to extend +the life of the C-5s and C-141s that are getting extremely old. + +>Scrap the Seawolf SSN-21 nuclear submarine. +>Ground the B-2 stealth bomber. + +It'll cost jobs, but I'm for it. We especially don't need a B-2. THe +SSN-21, I know litttle about. + +fpa + +";18;True +"From: smithw@col.hp.com (Walter Smith) +Subject: Re: Playoff predictions +Organization: Colorado Springs IT Center +Lines: 41 +NNTP-Posting-Host: fajita19.cs.itc.hp.com + +OK, I'll join in the fun and give my playoff predictions: + +1st round: +---------- + +PITT vs NYI: PITT in 4. +WASH vs NJD: WASH in 6. + +BOS vs BUF: BOS in 5. +QUE vs MON: MON in 7. + +CHI vs STL: CHI in 4. +DET vs TOR: DET in 6. + +VAN vs WIN: WIN in 6. +CAL vs LA: CAL in 5. + +2nd round: +---------- + +PITT vs WASH: PITT in 4. +BOS vs MON: BOS in 6. + +CHI vs DET: CHI in 7. +WIN vs CAL: CAL in 5. + +3rd round: +---------- + +PITT vs BOS: PITT in 5. +CHI vs CAL: CHI in 5. + +Finals: +------ + +PITT vs CHI: PITT in 5. + + +============================================= +Walter + +";13;True +"From: dingman+@cs.cmu.edu (Christopher Dingman) +Subject: Re: Buying a high speed v.everything modem +Nntp-Posting-Host: pie9.mach.cs.cmu.edu +Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon +Lines: 38 + +In article <1993Apr20.001127.4928@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> behr@math.ilstu.edu (Eric Behr) writes: +> +>The AT&T Dataport earns nearly unanimous praises for reliability. They are +>backordered at the moment, probably because of the special $299 price in +>effect until May. Its fax capabilities are worse than that of the other two +>modems. WARNING: AT&T ads say that the modem comes with a Mac kit (cables & +>all), and has lifetime warranty. This applies *only* when you order +>directly from Paradyne! I called ElekTek (one of the distributors), and +>they wanted to charge me $16 for cable, and gave only 1 year warranty... +> + +Hmm, I don't know where this information concerning the cable and the +warranty came from but I ordered mine from Logos Communications, near +Cleveland, and inside was a Mac cable (with the correct pin connections :-)) +and a lifetime warranty. The whole package was assembled at AT&T Paradyne, +and every piece (the serial cable, the telephone cable, etc.) had AT&T +part numbers on them, except the QuickLink software package and the +CompuServe intro kit. + +>-- +>Eric Behr, Illinois State University, Mathematics Department +>behr@math.ilstu.edu or behr@ilstu.bitnet (please avoid!) + +If anyone's interested, Logos number is (800) 837-7777. I ordered mine +last Wednesday and got my modem on Friday, though it's not to far from +Cleveland to Pittsburgh.. :-) On the down side they only ship UPS COD. + + + - Chris + ++--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +| Christopher P. Dingman | +| Electrical and Computer Eng. Dept. dingman@ece.cmu.edu | +| Carnegie Mellon University (412) 268-7119 | +| 5000 Forbes Ave | +| Pittsburgh, PA 15213 | ++--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ + +";0;True +"From: sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) +Subject: Re: islamic genocide +Organization: Cookamunga Tourist Bureau +Lines: 21 + +> O.K., so pick former Yugoslavia instead and say their problems are caused +> by communism, it doesn't really matter. But I guess religious leaders are +> calling for an end to that, too, so it can't be religiously motivated. This +> despite the fact that the Christians carve crosses in dead Muslims chests. +> Maybe they just want land. Maybe its something else they want. Maybe the +> cross carvings are just accidental. I don't know. Just looks suspicious. + +Most likely the tragic situation in Bosnia is a combination of ethnical +and religious motives, where religion is just one attribute that separates +the groups from each other. + +But I must agree that the sad saga in Bosnia is a terrible example +of a case where religion is not helping, instead it is used as a weapon +against other humans. And my sympathies are mostly on the Bosnian side, +it looks like the Serbs are the oppressors, willing to use even +Christianity as a weapon against their former friends. + +Cheers, +Kent +--- +sandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net. +";9;True +"From: kadie@cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M Kadie) +Subject: Re: Fifth Amendment and Passwords +Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL +Lines: 42 + +ashall@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Andrew S Hall) writes: + +>I am postive someone will correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't the Fifth +>also cover not being forced to do actions that are self-incriminating? +[...] + +[From Mike Godwin , posted with permission - Carl] + +Sadly, it does not. Suspects can be compelled to give handwriting and +voice exemplars, and to take blood and DNA tests. + +> e.g. The police couldn't demand that you silently take them to where the +> body is buried or where the money is hidden. + +No, but they could compell you to produce the key to a safe where, as it +happens, evidence that will convict you is stored. + +The crypto-key disclosure issue hasn't come up yet, but current law +suggests that it's a loser for the defendant--he'll be compelled to turn +over the key. + +The test for compelled self-incrimination is whether the material to +be disclosed *in itself* tends to inculpate the discloser. In the example +I gave above, the safe key itself has no testimonial value--ergo, it can +be disclosed under compulsion (e.g., subpoena duces tecum). + +Moreover, the government can always immunize the disclosure of a crypto +key--compelling you to disclose the key at the price of not using the fact +of your disclosure as evidence in the case against you. Of course, they +can use whatever they discover as a result of this disclosure against +you. + + +--Mike + + + + + +-- +Carl Kadie -- I do not represent any organization; this is just me. + = kadie@cs.uiuc.edu = +";16;True +"From: andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman) +Subject: Re: Ban All Firearms ! +Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University. +Lines: 38 + +As quoted from <1993Apr14.184448.2331@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu> by jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu: +> Firearms tend to fall into this low dollar/pound area. +> It would not be economic to smuggle them in. + +That depends only on the profit of doing so. The differences +in cost of production will determine local vs smuggle. + +> would have to be local. There are not all that many people +> who have both the skill AND motivation to assemble worthwhile + +Those of us who have actually made semi-autos (full-autos are easier) +are getting quite a giggle out of this. I'd estimate that 5% of +the people at my high school couldn't do it. (I was one of the +few who failed shop.) People who have actually seen me do mechanical +work would probably say that 1% is more like it. + +Starting with even 90% of the population, you can be sure that +""enough"" people will be motivated. + +> firearms from scratch. High-ranking crime figures could +> obtain imported Uzis and such, but the average person, and +> average thug, would be lucky to get a zip-gun - and would +> pay through the nose for it. + +How much is ""through the nose""? After all, we know quite a bit +about how much a gun is worth to a criminal, so if that is dwarfed +by the price demanded by the ""bad"" part of that 90%.... + +The relevant economic analysis has been made. The ""profit"" of +gun crime is high enough that the price required to push criminals +out of the market is high enough that everyone will be motivated. +That analysis ignored some ""improvements"" in the criminal gun +market that could make them even cheaper. (They're not efficiently +used now, but a ""loaner"" set up would drive the value still higher +without affecting criminal use.) + +-andy +-- +";3;True +"From: deniz@mandolin.ctr.columbia.edu (Deniz Akkus) +Subject: Re: ARMENIA SAYS IT COULD SHOOT DOWN TURKISH PLANES +Organization: Columbia University Center for Telecommunications Research +X-Posted-From: mandolin.ctr.columbia.edu +NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu +Lines: 43 + +In article <1993Apr20.164517.20876@kpc.com> henrik@quayle.kpc.com writes: +>In article <1993Apr20.000413.25123@ee.rochester.edu>, terziogl@ee.rochester.edu (Esin Terzioglu) writes: +>My response to the ""shooting down"" of a Turkish airplane over the Armenian +>air space was because of the IGNORANT posting of the person from your +>Country. Turks and Azeris consistantly WANT to drag ARMENIA into the +>KARABAKH conflict with Azerbaijan. The KARABAKHI-ARMENIANS who have lived +>in their HOMELAND for 3000 years (CUT OFF FROM ARMENIA and GIVEN TO AZERIS +>BY STALIN) are the ones DIRECTLY involved in the CONFLICT. They are defending +>themselves against AZERI AGGRESSION. Agression that has NO MERCY for INOCENT +>people that are costantly SHELLED with MIG-23's and othe Russian aircraft. +> +>At last, I hope that the U.S. insists that Turkey stay out of the KARABAKH +>crisis so that the repeat of the CYPRUS invasion WILL NEVER OCCUR again. +> + +Armenia is involved in fighting with Azarbaijan. It is Armenian +soldiers from mainland Armenia that are shelling towns in Azarbaijan. +You might wish to read more about whether or not it is Azeri aggression +only in that region. It seems to me that the Armenians are better +organized, have more success militarily and shell Azeri towns +repeatedly. + +I don't wish to get into the Cyprus discussion. Turkey had the right to +intervene, and it did. Perhaps the intervention was not supposed to +last for so long, but the constant refusal of the Greek governments both +on the island and in Greece to deal with reality is also to be blamed +for the ongoing standoff in the region. + +Lastly, why is there not a soc.culture.armenia? I vote yes for it. +After all, it is now free. + +regards, +Deniz + + + + + + + + + + +";15;True +"From: heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath) +Subject: Nature of God (Re: Environmentalism and paganism) +Organization: University of Georgia, Athens +Lines: 26 + +In article mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) writes: +>I would like to see Christians devote a bit less effort to _bashing_ +>paganism and more to figuring out how to present the Gospel to pagans. +> +>Christ is the answer; the pagans have a lot of the right questions. +>Unlike materialists, who deny the need for any spirituality. +> +> + + One of the things I find intersting about pagan beliefs is +their belief in a feminine deity as well as a masculine deity. Being +brought up in a Christian household, I often wondered if there was God +the Father, where was the mother? Everyone I know who has a father +usually as a mother. It just seemed rather unbalanced to me. + Fortunately, my own personal theology, which will probably not +fall into line with a lot others, recognized God as a being both +without gender and posessing qualities of both genders, as being both +a masculine and feminine force. It provides a sense of balance I find +sorely lacking in most theologies, a lack which I think is responsible +for a lot of the unbalanced ways in which we see the world and treat +each other. +-- +Terrance Heath heath@athena.cs.uga.edu +****************************************************************** +YOUR COMFORT IS MY SILENCE!!!!! ACT-UP! FIGHT BACK! TALK BACK! +****************************************************************** +";17;True +"From: bcash@crchh410.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Brian Cash) +Subject: Re: A visit from the Jehovah's Witnesses +Nntp-Posting-Host: crchh410 +Organization: BNR, Inc. +Lines: 51 + +In article <1993Apr2.115300.803@batman.bmd.trw.com>, jbrown@batman.bmd.trw.com writes: +|> In article , mukesh@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Mukesh Prasad) writes: +|> > In article <1993Apr1.142854.794@batman.bmd.trw.com> jbrown@batman.bmd.trw.com writes: +|> >> In article <1p8v1aINN9e9@matt.ksu.ksu.edu>, strat@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Steve Davis) writes: +|> >> > bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig) writes: +|> >> > +|> >> >>- The Earth is evil because Satan rules over it. +|> >> > +|> >> > This is a new one to me. I guess it's been a while since a Witness +|> >> > bothered with me. Are they implying that Satan is omniscient? You +|> >> > might try tricking them into saying that Satan is 'all-knowing' and +|> >> > then use that statement to show them how their beliefs are +|> >> > self-contradictary. +|> >> +|> >> No, Satan is not omniscient, but he does hold dominion over the earth +|> >> according to Christian theology (note, not to be confused with JW's +|> >> theology). +|> >> +|> > +|> > What are the standard theologies on who/what created Satan, +|> > and why? +|> > +|> +|> Orthodox Christian theology states that God created Lucifer (Satan) +|> along with the other angels, presumably because He wanted beings to +|> celebrate (glorify) existence and life (and thereby, God) along with +|> Him. Actually the whys and wherefores of God's motivations for +|> creating the angels are not a big issue within Christian theology. +|> +|> But God created Lucifer with a perfect nature and gave him along with +|> the other angels free moral will. Lucifer was a high angel (perhaps +|> the highest) with great authority. It seems that his greatness caused +|> him to begin to take pride in himself and desire to be equal to or +|> greater than God. He forgot his place as a created being. He exalted +|> himself above God, and thereby evil and sin entered creation. + +Actually, the story goes that Lucifer refused to bow before MAN as +God commanded him to. Lucifer was devoted to God. + +Oh yeah, there is nothing in Genesis that says the snake was anything +more than a snake (well, a talking one...had legs at the time, too). + +I don't think pointing out contradictions in STORIES is the best way +to show the error in theology: if they think a supernatural entity +kicked the first humans out of paradise because they bit into a +fruit that gave them special powers...well, they might not respond +well to reason and logic. :^) + +Brian /-|-\ + + +";9;True +"From: sundboe@bgibm1.nho.hydro.com (Terje Thoegersen) +Subject: Re: Problems with Toshiba 3401 CDROM +Organization: Norsk Hydro a.s +Lines: 26 +Distribution: world +Reply-To: hktth@nho.hydro.com +NNTP-Posting-Host: bgibm1.nho.hydro.com + +In article <1993Apr20.191255.10115@news.columbia.edu>, imj1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Imad M Jureidini) writes: +|> Hi! +|> I recently purchased the Toshiba 3401 CDROM. I own an Adaptec 1542B +|> SCSI card, and I have so far failed to get the CDROM to work under DOS. It +|> works very well under OS/2, so I know that the drive is not faulty. +|> In my config.sys, I have aspi3dos.sys, aspidisk.sys, aspicd.sys. In my +|> autoexec.bat, I have MSCDEX, which came with DOS 6.0. MSCDEX seems to find +|> and install the drive as drive F:, but when I switch to that drive and try a +|> dir, I get an error message telling me the drive is not ready or something +|> like that. The CDROM is locked too, and the adaptec utilities don't seem to +|> recognize that I have a CDROM at that point. +|> Has anyone ever had this problem? Is there something abvious that I +|> am missing? And finally, I was wondering if anyone using this setup could +|> kindly post his/her config.sys and autoexec.bat. +|> + +Hi! + +One of the ASPI-drivers (I think it's the ASPICD) supports a /NORST +paramter, which means to not reset the SCSI bus when it loads. This +fixed the problem a friend of mine was having with his adaptec+tosh +3401. + +Regards, + + -Terje +";5;True +"From: mangoe@cs.umd.edu (Charley Wingate) +Subject: Re: Gospel Dating +Lines: 73 + +Benedikt Rosenau writes: + +>The argument goes as follows: Q-oid quotes appear in John, but not in +>the almost codified way they were in Matthew or Luke. However, they are +>considered to be similar enough to point to knowledge of Q as such, and +>not an entirely different source. + +Assuming you are presenting it accurately, I don't see how this argument +really leads to any firm conclusion. The material in John (I'm not sure +exactly what is referred to here, but I'll take for granted the similarity +to the Matt./Luke ""Q"" material) IS different; hence, one could have almost +any relationship between the two, right up to John getting it straight from +Jesus' mouth. + +>We are talking date of texts here, not the age of the authors. The usual +>explanation for the time order of Mark, Matthew and Luke does not consider +>their respective ages. It says Matthew has read the text of Mark, and Luke +>that of Matthew (and probably that of Mark). + +The version of the ""usual theory"" I have heard has Matthew and Luke +independently relying on Mark and ""Q"". One would think that if Luke relied +on Matthew, we wouldn't have the grating inconsistencies in the geneologies, +for one thing. + +>As it is assumed that John knew the content of Luke's text. The evidence +>for that is not overwhelming, admittedly. + +This is the part that is particularly new to me. If it were possible that +you could point me to a reference, I'd be grateful. + +>>Unfortunately, I haven't got the info at hand. It was (I think) in the late +>>'70s or early '80s, and it was possibly as old as CE 200. + +>When they are from about 200, why do they shed doubt on the order on +>putting John after the rest of the three? + +Because it closes up the gap between (supposed) writing and the existing +copy quit a bit. The further away from the original, the more copies can be +written, and therefore survival becomes more probable. + +>>And I don't think a ""one step removed"" source is that bad. If Luke and Mark +>>and Matthew learned their stories directly from diciples, then I really +>>cannot believe in the sort of ""big transformation from Jesus to gospel"" that +>>some people posit. In news reports, one generally gets no better +>>information than this. + +>>And if John IS a diciple, then there's nothing more to be said. + +>That John was a disciple is not generally accepted. The style and language +>together with the theology are usually used as counterargument. + +I'm not really impressed with the ""theology"" argument. But I'm really +pointing this out as an ""if"". And as I pointed out earlier, one cannot make +these arguments about I Peter; I see no reason not to accept it as an +authentic letter. + + +>One step and one generation removed is bad even in our times. Compare that +>to reports of similar events in our century in almost illiterate societies. + +The best analogy would be reporters talking to the participants, which is +not so bad. + +>In other words, one does not know what the original of Mark did look like +>and arguments based on Mark are pretty weak. + +But the statement of divinity is not in that section, and in any case, it's +agreed that the most important epistles predate Mark. +-- +C. Wingate + ""The peace of God, it is no peace, + + but strife closed in the sod. +mangoe@cs.umd.edu + Yet, brothers, pray for but one thing: +tove!mangoe + the marv'lous peace of God."" +";9;True +"From: guyd@austin.ibm.com (Guy Dawson) +Subject: Re: Hercules Graphite? +Originator: guyd@pal500.austin.ibm.com +Organization: IBM Austin +Lines: 38 + + +In article , ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib) writes: +> In article <1993Apr06.185638.12139@metrics.com> tomh@metrics.com (Tom Haapanen) writes: +> +> >Has anyone used a Hercules Graphite adapter? It looks good on paper, and +> >Steve Gibson gave it a very good review in Infoworld. I'd love to get a +> >real-world impression, though -- how is the speed? Drivers? Support? +> +> The PC World reviewers found out that the Herc people had hard-coded + ^^^^ + +I think it was the IIT people who make the chip the card is based on who hard-coded +the string. + +One of the weeklies looked into this an came to the conclusion that the IIT chip +was still pretty fast. + +> Winbench text into the driver. Clever, no? In any case, the Winbench +> results are pretty much inflated. +> +> When and if you get one send me mail.. I might buy that ATI GU+ off +> you.. 9-) +> +> +> +> -- +> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- +> Iskandar Taib | The only thing worse than Peach ala +> Internet: NTAIB@SILVER.UCS.INDIANA.EDU | Frog is Frog ala Peach +> Bitnet: NTAIB@IUBACS ! + + +Guy +-- +-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- +Guy Dawson - Hoskyns Group Plc. + guyd@hoskyns.co.uk Tel Hoskyns UK - 71 251 2128 + guyd@austin.ibm.com Tel IBM Austin USA - 512 838 3377 +";6;True +"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) +Subject: Armenians exterminated 2.5 million Muslim people. Denying the obvious? +Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) +Distribution: world +Lines: 109 + +In article <1993Apr23.122146.23931@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu> gassan@ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu writes: + +>After having read this group for some time, I am appalled at its lack of +>scholarship, its fuzzy-thinking, reliance on obsessed and obnoxious posters + +Well, these are Armenian and Jewish scholars, not me. Denying the obvious? + + +Source: Hovannisian, Richard G.: Armenia on the Road to Independence, 1918. +University of California Press (Berkeley and Los Angeles), 1967, p. 13. + +""The addition of the Kars and Batum oblasts to the Empire increased the + area of Transcaucasia to over 130,000 square miles. The estimated population + of the entire region in 1886 was 4,700,000, of whom 940,000 (20 percent) were + Armenian, 1,200,000 (25 percent) Georgian, and 2,220,000 (45 percent) Moslem. + Of the latter group, 1,140,000 were Tatars. Paradoxically, barely one-third + of Transcaucasia's Armenians lived in the Erevan guberniia, where the + Christians constituted a majority in only three of the seven uezds. Erevan + uezd, the administrative center of the province, had only 44,000 Armenians + as compared to 68,000 Moslems. By the time of the Russian Census of 1897, + however, the Armenians had established a scant majority, 53 percent, in the + guberniia; it had risen by 1916 to 60 percent, or 670,000 of the 1,120,000 + inhabitants. This impressive change in the province's ethnic character + notwithstanding, there was, on the eve of the creation of the Armenian + Republic, a solid block of 370,000 Tartars who continued to dominate the + southern districts, from the outskirts of Ereven to the border of Persia."" + (See also Map 1. Historic Armenia and Map 4. Administrative subdivisions of + Transcaucasia). + +In 1920, '0' percent Turk. + +""We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as + ways of escape for the Tartars and then proceeded in the work + of extermination. Our troops surrounded village after village. + Little resistance was offered. Our artillery knocked the huts + into heaps of stone and dust and when the villages became untenable + and inhabitants fled from them into fields, bullets and bayonets + completed the work. Some of the Tartars escaped of course. They + found refuge in the mountains or succeeded in crossing the border + into Turkey. The rest were killed. And so it is that the whole + length of the borderland of Russian Armenia from Nakhitchevan to + Akhalkalaki from the hot plains of Ararat to the cold mountain + plateau of the North were dotted with mute mournful ruins of + Tartar villages. They are quiet now, those villages, except for + howling of wolves and jackals that visit them to paw over the + scattered bones of the dead."" + + Ohanus Appressian + ""Men Are Like That"" + p. 202. + + + ""In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul. + It is in our power to tear away the veil of illusion that some of us + create for ourselves. It certainly is possible to severe the artificial + life-support system of an imagined 'ethnic purity' that some of us + falsely trust as the only structure that can support their heart beats + in this alien land."" + (Sahak Melkonian - 1920 - ""Preserving the Armenian purity"") + + +<1993Apr24.042427.29323@walter.bellcore.com> +ddc@nyquist.bellcore.com (Daniel Dusan Chukurov 21324) + +> The world's inaction when the conflict began over the mostly +>Christian Armenian enclave inside Muslim Azerbaijan might have +>encouraged the conflict in Bosnia-Herzegovina, said the +>Moscow-based activist, who's part Armenian. + +No kidding. The Armenians tore apart the Ottoman Empire's eastern provinces, +massacred 2.5 million defenseless Turkish women, children and elderly +people, burned thousands of Turkish and Kurdish villages and exterminated +the entire Turkish population of the Armenian dictatorship between +1914-1920. Such outrageous sleight of hand that is still employed today +in Armenia brings a depth and verification to the Turkish genocide +that is hard to match. A hundred years ago Armenians again thought +they could get whatever they wanted through sheer terror like the +Russian anarchists that they accepted as role models. Several Armenian +terror groups like ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism Triangle +resorted to the same tactics in the 1980s, butchering scores of innocent +Turks and their families in the United States and Europe. It seems that +they are doing it again, at a different scale, in fascist x-Soviet Armenia +today. + +A merciless massacre of the civilian population of the small Azeri +town of Khojali (Pop. 6000) in Karabagh, Azerbaijan, is reported to +have taken place on the night of Feb. 28 under a coordinated military +operation of the 366th mechanized division of the CIS army and the +Armenian insurgents. Close to 1000 people are reported to have been +massacred. Elderly and children were not spared. Many were badly beaten +and shot at close range. A sense of rage and helplessness has overwhelmed +the Azeri population in face of the well armed and equipped Armenian +insurgency. The neighboring Azeri city of Aghdam outside of the +Karabagh region has come under heavy Armenian artillery shelling. City +hospital was hit and two pregnant women as well as a new born infant +were killed. Azerbaijan is appealing to the international community to +condemn such barbaric and ruthless attacks on its population and its +sovereignty. + +Serdar Argic + + 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that + might serve as ways of escape for the Turks + and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' + (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) + 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists + a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) + + +";15;True +"From: cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) +Subject: Re: New Study Out On Gay Percentage +Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA +Lines: 31 + +In article <1993Apr16.164638.27218@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>, as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Tree of Schnopia) writes: +> In <15378@optilink.COM> cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes: +# #The article also contains numbers on the number of sexual partners. +# #The median number of sexual partners for all men 20-39 was 7.3. +# #Compared to the table I have already posted from Masters, Johnson, +# #and Kolodny showing male homosexual partners, it is apparent that +# #homosexual men are dramatically more promiscuous than the general +# #male population. It's a shame that we don't have a breakdown for +# #straight men vs. gay/bi men -- that would show even more dramatically +# #how much more promiscuous gay/bi men are. +# +# Possibly because gay/bi men are less likely to get married? + +Marriage isn't a requirement for a couple staying together. + +# What was the purpose of this post? If it was to show a mindless obsession +# with statistics, an incredibly flawed system of reasoning, and a repellent +# hatemonger agenda, then the purpose was accomplished with panache. +# +# (a) Get a clue. (b) Get a life. (c) Get out of my face. I'm not in yours. +# +# ----bi Andrew D. Simchik SCHNOPIA! + +Yes you are. When you and the rest of the homosexual community +pass laws to impose your moral codes on me, by requiring me to +hire, rent to, or otherwise associate with a homosexual against +my will, yes, you are in my face. Until homosexuals stop trying +to impose their morals on me, I will be in your face about this. +-- +Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer My opinions, all mine! +Relations between people to be by mutual consent, or not at all. +";18;True +"From: ssa@unity.ncsu.edu (S. Alavi) +Subject: Looking for Large MONO/COLOR VGA Monitor. +Organization: NC State University +Lines: 12 + + + I am looking for a monitor 17"" or larger that could do 1024x748 + with and 8514/A card (PS2/70) + + I guess I would prefere 19"" and MONO (later becuase of lower price) + + Please email me the brand, model, condition and asking price... + + (Please include this message for reference) + ====== S. Alavi [ssa@unity.ncsu.edu] (919)467-7909 (H) ======== + (919)515-8063 (W) + +";5;True +"From: d_jaracz@oz.plymouth.edu (David R. Jaracz) +Subject: Re: Octopus in Detroit? +Organization: Plymouth State College - Plymouth, NH. +Lines: 16 + +In article <93106.092246DLMQC@CUNYVM.BITNET> Harold Zazula writes: +>I was watching the Detroit-Minnesota game last night and thought I saw an +>octopus on the ice after Ysebaert scored to tie the game at two. What gives? + +No no no!!! It's a squid! Keep the tradition alive! (Kinda like the +fish at UNH games....) + +>(is there some custom to throw octopuses on the ice in Detroit?) +>------- +>Not Responsible -- Dain Bramaged!! +> +>Harold Zazula +>dlmqc@cunyvm.cuny.edu +>hzazula@alehouse.acc.qc.edu + + +";13;True +"From: tim@hssc.scarolina.edu (Tim White) +Subject: Re: X11 load on the Network +Organization: USC Department of Computer Science +Lines: 18 + +bkline%occs.nlm.nih.gov (Bob Kline) writes: + +>Can someone point me in the direction of any papers (not necessarily +>formally conducted studies) discussing how much traffic X apps generate +>for the network, particularly in comparison with curses-bases apps +>over telnet? Also, does an X server typically buffer up user keyboard +>input a line at a time? Can the X client control this, asking for +>keystrokes immediately? Thanks in advance for any feedback! + + + Ncd has an excellent document titled ""Host Loading Considerations in the X + environment"". I received my copy by emailing support@ncd.com. This may + help out. +-- +============================================================================== +Tim White University of South Carolina +tim@otis.hssc.scarolina.edu Humanities and Social Sciences Laboratory +(803)-777-7840 Columbia, S.C. 29208 +";12;True +"From: mtjensen@nbivax.nbi.dk +Subject: Re: This year's biggest and worst (opinion)... +Reply-To: mtjensen +Organization: Niels Bohr Institute and Nordita, Copenhagen +Lines: 56 + +In article , smale@healthy.uwaterloo.ca (Bryan Smale) writes: +> +> I was thinking about who on each of the teams were the MVPs, biggest +> surprises, and biggest disappointments this year. Now, these are just +> my observations and are admittedly lacking because I have not had an +> opportunity to see all the teams the same amount. Anyway.... +> +> MVP = most valuable player to his team both in terms of points and +> in terms of leadership (""can't win without him"") +> +> Biggest surprise = the player who rose above expectation -- the player +> that may have raised the level of his game to a new height, even +> if that new level doesn't necessarily warrant an allstar berth +> (includes those players who at the outset of the season, may not +> even have been in the team's plans). +> +> Biggest disappointment = the player from whom we expected more (e.g., I +> picked Denis Savard in Montreal because with the new emphasis on +> offence brought by Demers, shouldn't Savard have done better?) +> +> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- +> +> Team Biggest Biggest +> Team: MVP: Surprise: Disappointment: +> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- +> Boston Bruins Oates D.Sweeney Wesley +> Buffalo Sabres Lafontaine Mogilny Audette (jinx?) +> Calgary Flames Roberts Reichel Petit +> Chicago Blackhawks Roenick Ruuttu Goulet +> Detroit Red Wings Yzerman Chaisson Kozlov +> Edmonton Oilers Manson Buchberger Mellanby +> Hartford Whalers Sanderson Cassells Corriveau +> Los Angeles Kings Robitaille Donnelly Hrudey +> Minnesota North Stars Modano Tinordi(not expected back) Broten +> Montreal Canadiens Muller Lebeau Savard +> New Jersey Devils Stevens Semak MacLean +> New York Islanders Turgeon King(finally) Marois +> New York Rangers Messier Kovalev Bourque +> Ottawa Senators MacIver Baker Jelinek +> Philadelphia Flyers Lindros/Recchi Fedyk/Galley Eklund +> Pittsburgh Penguins Lemieux Tocchet(even for him) Jagr +> Quebec Nordiques Sakic/Ricci Kovalenko Pearson +> San Jose Sharks Kisio Gaudreau Maley +> St Louis Blues Shanahan C.Joseph Ron Sutter +> Tampa Bay Lightening Bradley Bradley Creighton/Kasper +> Toronto Maple Leafs Gilmour Potvin Ellett/Anderson +> Vancouver Canucks Bure Nedved(finally) Momesso +> Washington Capitals Hatcher Bondra/Cote Elynuik +> Winnipeg Jets Selanne Selanne Druce +> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- +> +> As I mentioned up top, these are my *impressions* from where I sit. I +> would welcome any opinions from those fans nearer their teams (in other +> words, *anywhere* away from a Toronto newspaper!) +> +> Bryan +";13;True +"From: leon@dimatrix.DK (Leon Thrane) +Subject: X Intrinsic mailing list +Organization: The Internet +Lines: 14 +NNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu +To: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu + +As we don't get a newsfeed I was wondering whether there was such a +thing as a Xt mailing list (other than xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu). I +would appreciate any info on this, (or X related mailing lists.) + + Thanks in advance, + + Leon + ++-------------------------------+---------------------------------+ +| Leon Thrane | Telephone: +45 - 45 93 51 00 | +| DimatriX ApS | FAX: +45 - 45 93 51 11 | +| Lyngby Hovedgade 15D | E-mail: leon@dimatrix.dk | +| DK-2800 Lyngby, Denmark | or ...!uunet!dimatrix.dk!leon | ++-------------------------------+---------------------------------+ +";12;True +"From: prb@access.digex.com (Pat) +Subject: Re: Jemison on Star Trek (Better Ideas) +Organization: Express Access Online Communications USA +Lines: 11 +NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net + +In article <1993Apr25.154449.1@aurora.alaska.edu> nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu writes: +| +|Better idea for use of NASA Shuttle Astronauts and Crew is have them be found +|lost in space after a accident with a worm hole or other space/time glitch.. +| +|Maybe age Jemison a few years (makeup and such) and have her as the only +>survivour of a failed shuttle mission that got lost.. + + +Of course that asumes the mission was able to launch :-) + +";2;True +"From: kpa@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Karl Anderson) +Subject: Re: A WRENCH in the works? +Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM +Nntp-Posting-Host: oslo.rchland.ibm.com +Organization: IBM Rochester +Lines: 42 + +From another space forum +> NOW WHERE DID I LEAVE THOSE PLIERS? + When workers at the Kennedy Space Center disassembled the STS-56 + solid rocket boosters they were surprised to find a pair of pliers + lodged into the outside base of the right hand SRB. The tool survived + the trip from the launch pad up to approximately a 250,000 foot + altitude, then down to splashdown and towing back to KSC. + + NASA spokesperson Lisa Malone told the media, + + ""It's been a long time since something like this happened. We've + lost washers and bolts (before) but never a tool like this."" + + The initial investigation into the incident has shown that a + Thiokol Corp. technician noticed and reported his pliers as missing on + April 2nd. Unfortunately, the worker's supervisor did not act on the + report and Discovery was launched with its ""extra payload"". NASA + officials were never told of the missing tool before the April 8th + launch date. + + The free-flying pliers were supposed to be tethered to the SRB + technician. When the tool was found in an aft section of the booster, + its 18-inch long rope was still attached. The pliers were found in a + part of the booster which is not easily visible from the launch pad. +|(Ron's ed. note: naaahhh, just too easy) + + A spokesperson for the Lockheed Space Operations Company said that + the Shuttle processor will take ""appropriate action"". Thiokol is a + subcontractor to LSOC for work to prepare Shuttle hardware for launch. + +_________________________________________________________ + +Karl Anderson +DEV/2000: Configuration Management/Version Control + +Dept 53K/006-2 Rochester, Minnesota 55901 +253-8044 Tie 8-453-8044 +INTERNET: karl@vnet.ibm.com +PRODIGY: CMMG96A + +""To seek, to strive, to find, and not to yield."" + Alfred Lord Tennyson +";2;True +"Nntp-Posting-Host: surt.ifi.uio.no +From: Thomas Parsli +Subject: Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card +In-Reply-To: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras)'s message of 15 Apr 1993 + 13:08:14 GMT +Organization: Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo, Norway + <1qjmnuINNlmd@clem.handheld.com> +Lines: 73 +Originator: thomasp@surt.ifi.uio.no + + +I HATE long postings, but this turned out to be rather lengthy.... + + +Overall Crime rate: +It fell....just like that... + +Acquiring weapons in Norway: +You can buy (almost) all kinds of weapons in Norway, BUT you must have a +permit, and a good reason to get the permit.... +If I would like to have a handgun, i would have to get an gun-licence from +the police and to be a member of a gun-club. +The police would check my criminal records for any SERIOUS crimes and/or +records of SERIOUS mental diseases. +Now, if a got my licence, I would have to be an active member of the gun +-club for 6 months BEFORE I could collect my gun. +It's a little like getting a drivers licence isn't it ??? +You have to prove that you CAN drive before you are allowed to... + +Use of guns in crimes (in Norway): +Some crimes are commited with guns that have been in the owners 'arms' +for a long time, but these are rather the exeption. +Most criminals accuire guns to use them in crimes, and mostly short +time befor the crime. + +Use of knives: +It IS allowed to cary knifes in public, but not in your belt or 'open'. +You (Americans) think it's ok to have a gun, but not to carry it open +in public -rigth ?? + +Scandinavians ARE 'aggressive': +We northeners are not as hot-livered as southeners, but when we decide +to take action we DO. +Ask ANY historian or millitary with an knowledge of europe.... +(Or ask any German who served in Norway in WW2.....) + +Individual vs masses: +Yes the individual is more important than the masses, but only to some +extent.... +Your criminal laws are to protect the individuals who makes the masses ?? +What happens when the rigths of some individuals affects the rights of +all the others ?? + + +The issue: +I believe the issue is GUNS, and gun-legislation. +We shouldn't mix weapons and items that can serve as one.... +IF i lived in Amerika I would probably have a gun to defend myselfe in HOME. +But should it have to be like that ?? +Do you think it's wise to sell guns like candy (some states do...) ?? +If you believe it's smart/neccacery to have drivers-licence WHY do you think +it should be free to buy guns ?? + +Disclaim-her: +I'm not a pacifist or anti gun. +I would defend my home, loved ones and country, but I don't view guns as +neccities or toys. +I HAVE done army service, and HAVE used a variaty of weapons, but wouldn't +want to have one for self defence or because they 'feel good'.... + + + + + + + + This is not a .signature. + It's marly a computergenerated text to waste bandwith + and to bring down the evil Internet. + + + Thomas Parsli + thomasp@ifi.uio.no +";3;True +"From: cf947@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Chun-Hung Wan) +Subject: Re: your opinion of the LaserWriter Select 310? +Article-I.D.: usenet.1prg8a$psr +Reply-To: cf947@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Chun-Hung Wan) +Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) +Lines: 25 +NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu + + +In a previous article, jcav@ellis.uchicago.edu (JohnC) says: + +>This model is one of the two low-cost laser printers that Apple just +>introduced. I'm thinking of getting one to use at home. Have any of you +>had any experience with this printer? Does it have Level-2 PostScript? +>If you've bought one, are you happy with it? +> +>-- +>John Cavallino | EMail: jcav@midway.uchicago.edu +>University of Chicago Hospitals | John_Cavallino@uchfm.bsd.uchicago.edu +>Office of Facilities Management | USMail: 5841 S. Maryland Ave, MC 0953 +>B0 f++ w c+ g++ k+ s++ e h- p | Chicago, IL 60637 +> + +Frankly, I think this model is a screwup. It does not have PostScriptlevel +2, only has 13 fonts, and does not even have fine print or photograde, or +grayshare. Even the 300 model has this! I am shocked by the kind of +features you get for this printer. I myself was hoping for some decent +printer to replace the Personal Laser Writers. +-- +A motion picture major at the Brooks Institute of Photography, CA +Santa Barbara and a foreign student from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. + +""The mind is the forerunner of all states."" +";0;True +"From: emarsh@hernes-sun.Eng.Sun.COM (Eric Marsh) +Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is +Organization: Sun +Lines: 82 +NNTP-Posting-Host: hernes-sun + +In article <1qkj31$4c6@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de> frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes: +>In article emarsh@hernes-sun.Eng.Sun.COM (Eric Marsh) writes: +>#In article <1qjahh$mrs@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de> frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes: +>#>Science (""the real world"") has its basis in values, not the other way round, +>#>as you would wish it. If there is no such thing as objective value, then +>#>science can not objectively be said to be more useful than a kick in the head. +>#>Simple theories with accurate predictions could not objectively be said +>#>to be more useful than a set of tarot cards. You like those conclusions? +>#>I don't. + +>#I think that you are changing the meaning of ""values"" here. Perhaps +>#it is time to backtrack and take a look at the word. + +>#value n. 1. A fair equivalent or return for something, such as goods +>#or service. 2. Monetary or material worth. 3. Worth as measured in +>#usefulness or importance; merit. 4. A principle, standard, or quality +>#considered inherently worthwhile or desirable. 5. Precise meaning, as +>#of a word. 6. An assigned or calculated numerical quantity. 7. Mus. +>#The relative duratation of a tone or rest. 8. The relative darkness or +>#lightness of a color. 9. The distinctive quality of a speech or speech +>#sound. + +>#In context of a moral system, definition four seems to fit best. In terms +>#of scientific usage, definitions six or eight might apply. Note that +>#these definitions do not mean the same thing. + +>No, I'm using definition (3), or perhaps (4) in both cases. If there +>is no objective worth, usefulness, or importance then science has no +>objective worth, usefulness, or importance. If nothing is inherently +>worthwhile or desirable, then simple theories with accurate predictions +>are not inherently worthwhile or desirable. Do you see any flaws in this? + +The problem is, your use of the word ""objective"" along with ""values."" +Both definitions three and four are inherently subjective, that is +they are particular to a given individual, or personal. You see, +what one person may see as worthwhile, another may see as worthless. + +>If on the other hand, some things *have* objective worth, usefulness, +>or importance, it would be interesting to know what they are. + +Again, your form of measurement in this sentence, that being of ""worth"" +is subjective. + +>#If you can provide an objective foundation for ""morality"" then that will +>#be a good beginning. + +>I'm not willing to attempt this until someone provides an objective +>basis for the notion that science is useful, worthy, or important in +>dealing with observed facts. Alternatively, you could try to +>demonstrate to me that science is not necessarily useful, worthy +>or important in any situation. In other words, I need to know +>how you use the term ""objective"". + +When I find that my usage of a word is different than the usage of +that word given by another person, I try to find a standard against +which to judge that usage. In most cases, the dictionary is the standard +I use. Here is a definiton of objective: + +objective ADJ. 1. Of or having to do with a material object as +distinguished from a mental concept. 2. Having actual existance. +3.a. Unenfluenced by emotion or personal prejudice. b. Based on +observable phenomenon. + +By this definition, science does not have an objective worth, since the +phrase ""objective worth"" is an oxymoron. However you asked something a +little differently this time, you asked for an objective basis for a +notion. The fact that the use of science as an intellectual tool is +responsible for changes in our world (the changes are material, and +thus ""objective"") would provide an objective _basis_ for an argument. +However, the conclusion arrived at from that argument (that science is +""good"") is subjective. + +I think that the problem here is one of word usage. Take a little time +and read the definitions of these words: objective, subjective, worth, +value, morality, good, evil. I believe that if you think about the +meaning of them for a while, you will have to conclude that there is no +such thing as an objective morality. + +>Frank O'Dwyer 'I'm not hatching That' +>odwyer@sse.ie from ""Hens"", by Evelyn Conlon + +eric +";19;True +"From: nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) +Subject: Re: 1993 NHL Draft +Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University. +Lines: 29 + +In article <1993Apr20.184627.4585@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca> cs902043@ariel.yorku.ca (SHAWN LUDDINGTON) writes: + +>As for the picks +>Ottawa picks #1 which means it is almost 100% that Alexander Daigle will +>go #1. He'll either stay or be traded in Montreal or Quebec. IMO I would +>take Kariya. He should alot of leadership in the NCAA and so far in +>the World Championships. Daigle didn't show this for his junior team. +> +>San Jose will then get Kariya. +> +>Tampa Bay will either go for a russian Kozlov (I think that's it) or a +> defenseman Rob Niedemeyer (probably spelt the last name wrong) + +The last name is Niedermayer, as in New Jersey's Scott's last name, because +(you guessed it) they are brothers. But Rob Niedermayer is a center, not +a defenseman. + +I am not sure that the Sharks will take Kariya. They aren't saying much, but +they apparently like Niedermayer and Victor Kozlov, along with Kariya. Chris +Pronger's name has also been mentioned. My guess is that they'll take +Niedermayer. They may take Pronger, except that they already have too many +defensive prospects. + +=============================================================================== +GO CALGARY FLAMES! Al MacInnis for Norris! Gary Roberts for Hart and Smythe! +GO EDMONTON OILERS! Go for playoffs next year! Stay in Edmonton! +=============================================================================== +Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu) +rec.sport.hockey contact for the San Jose Sharks +";13;True +"From: enolan@sharkbite.esd.sgi.com (Ed Nolan) +Subject: Devils and Islanders tiebreaker???? +Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc. +Lines: 4 +Nntp-Posting-Host: sharkbite.esd.sgi.com + +If the Islanders beat the Devils tonight, they would finish with +identical records. Who's the lucky team that gets to face the Penguins +in the opening round? Also, can somebody list the rules for breaking +ties. +";13;True +"From: fostma@saturn.wwc.edu (Mark Gregory Foster) +Subject: Re: Sabbath Admissions 5of5 +Organization: Walla Walla College +Lines: 60 + +In article dlecoint@garnet.acns.fsu.edu (Darius_Lecointe) writes: + +[FAQ and Darius' response deleted] + +>Darius + +>[It's not clear how much more needs to be said other than the FAQ. I +>think Paul's comments on esteeming one day over another (Rom 14) is +>probably all that needs to be said. I accept that Darius is doing +>what he does in honor of the Lord. I just wish he might equally +>accept that those who ""esteem all days alike"" are similarly doing +>their best to honor the Lord. + +I am myself an SDA and I am in total agreement with what Darius has to say. +I also worship on Saturday to honor the Lord. Your mention of ""[esteeming] +all days alike"" IMO has to do with the fast days observed by the Jews. But +no matter how you interpret that passage, I do accept your worship on Sunday +as being done in honor of the Lord, in contrast with what many of my fellow +SDA believers may believe. To me, though, the bible overwhelmingly points +to Saturday as the day to be kept in honor of creation and of God's +deliverance of the Israelites from Egyptian bondage. To those who would +attempt to point out that my observance of Saturday is being legalistic, +this is simply not the case. Rather, keeping Saturday allows me a full day +to rest and contemplate God's goodness and grace. + +> +>However I'd like to be clear that I do not think there's unambiguous +>proof that regular Christian worship was on the first day. As I +>indicated, there are responses on both of the passages cited. + +>Similarly with 1 Cor 16:2. It says +>that on the first day they should set aside money for Paul's +>collection. Now if you want to believe that they gathered specially +>to do this, or that they did it in their homes, I can't disprove it, +>but the obvious time for a congregation to take an offering would be +>when they normally gather for worship, and if they were expected to do +>it in their homes there would be no reason to mention a specific day. + +The idea was introduced to me once that the reason Paul wanted the +Corinthians to lay aside money for the collection on the first day of the +week was because that was when they received their weekly wages. Paul +wanted them to lay aside money for the collection as first priority, before +spending their money on other things. I do not have any proof in front of +me for this though, although it would explain why they would lay aside money +in their homes instead of a meeting. + +>So I think the most obvious reading of this is that ""on the first day +>of every week"" simply means every time they gather for worship. +> +>I think the reason we have only implications and not clear statements +>is that the NT authors assumed that their readers knew when Christian +>worship was. + +It would seem to me that you assume that the christians in the NT regularly +worshipped on the first day. I assume that the christians in the NT +regularly worshipped on the seventh day. But I agree with you that we only +have implications because the authors did assume the reader knew when worhip +was. + +--Mark +";17;True +"From: ykim@cs.columbia.edu (Yong Su Kim) +Subject: Fast wireframe graphics +Distribution: usa +Organization: Columbia University Department of Computer Science +Lines: 29 + + +I am working on a program to display 3d wireframe models with the user +being able to arbitrarily change any of the viewing parameters. Also, +the wireframe objects are also going to have dynamic attributes so +that they can move around while the user is ""exploring"" the wireframe +world. + +To do this, I am thinking of using the SRGP package described in the +Van Dam, Foley and Feiner book, but I was wondering if there was +another PD graphics package out there which was faster. I would like +to make the program as fast as possible so that it provides +satisfactory real time performance on a Sun IPX. + +Ideally, I'm looking for a PD graphics package which will allow me to +open a new window under X, and allow me to draw lines within the +window. Also, it would also need to have some sort of event driven +interaction handling since the user is going to move around the +wireframe models using the keyboard. + +If you know or wrote such a package, I would be grateful if you could +direct me to a ftp site which contains the package. + +Thank you. + +-- +=============================================================================== +Yong Su Kim, Class of 1993 | Internet: yk4@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu +Columbia College, Columbia University | or ykim@cs.columbia.edu + +";1;True +"From: cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) +Subject: Re: Lincoln & slavery (Re: Top Ten Tricks You Can Play on the American Voter) +Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA +Lines: 27 + +In article , cb@tamarack13.timbuk (Chris Brewster) writes: +> Craig Depken writes: +> +> The fact that the South had a number of slave owners is true, but +> relatively small numbers (around 1200) had more than a few hundred slaves. +> (I have to get references that I do not have here for +> exact numbers.) +> +> If it has any bearing on this discussion, I saw a figure for the total +> number of slave-owners as 300,000. Does anyone have a figure for how +> many slaves there were? How many farmers without slaves? +> +> Chris Brewster E-MAIL ADDRESS: cb@cray.com + +In 1860: + +region total population free blacks % slaves % +U.S. 32,227,616 487,070 1.5% 3,953,818 12.3% +Confederacy 9,103,332 132,760 1.5% 3,521,110 38.7% +Union Slave States 3,212,041 128,158 4.0% 432,586 13.5% +All Union States 23,124,284 354,310 1.5% 432,708 1.9% +Union ""Free"" States 19,912,243 226,152 1.1% 122 0.0% + + +-- +Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer My opinions, all mine! +Relations between people to be by mutual consent, or not at all. +";18;True +"From: sheffner@encore.com (Steve Heffner) +Subject: Hernia +Organization: Encore Computer Corporation +Nntp-Posting-Host: condor.encore.com +Lines: 20 + +A bit more than a year ago, a hernia in my right groin was +discovered. It had produced a dull pain in that area. The hernia +was repaired using the least intrusive (orthoscopic?) method and a +""plug and patch"". + +The doctor considered the procedure a success. + +A few months later the same pain returned. The doctor said that +he could find nothing wrong in the area of the hernia repair. + +Now the pain occurs more often. My GP couldn't identify any +specific problem. The surgen who performed the original procedure +now says that yes there is a ""new"" hernia in the same area and he +said that he has to cut into the area for the repair this time. + +My question to the net: Is there a nonintrusive method to +determine if in fact there is a hernia or if the pain is from +something else? + +Steve Heffner +";4;True +"From: rj@ri.cadre.com (Rob deFriesse) +Subject: Can DES code be shipped to Canada? +Article-I.D.: fripp.1993Apr22.125402.27561 +Reply-To: rj@ri.cadre.com +Organization: Cadre Technologies Inc. +Lines: 13 +Nntp-Posting-Host: 192.9.200.19 + +Someone in Canada asked me to send him some public domain DES file +encryption code I have. Is it legal for me to send it? + +Thanx. +-- +Eschew Obfuscation + +Rob deFriesse Mail: rj@ri.cadre.com +Cadre Technologies Inc. Phone: (401) 351-5950 +222 Richmond St. Fax: (401) 351-7380 +Providence, RI 02903 + +I don't speak for my employer. +";16;True +"From: tcora@pica.army.mil (Tom Coradeschi) +Subject: Re: ""Beer"" unto bicyclists +Organization: Elect Armts Div, US Army Armt RDE Ctr, Picatinny Arsenal, NJ +Lines: 23 +Nntp-Posting-Host: b329-gator-3.pica.army.mil + +In article <31MAR199308594057@erich.triumf.ca>, ivan@erich.triumf.ca (Ivan +D. Reid) wrote: +> +> In article , +> tcora@pica.army.mil (Tom Coradeschi) writes... +> >mxcrew@PROBLEM_WITH_INEWS_DOMAIN_FILE (The MX-Crew) wrote: +> >> just an information (no flame war please): Budweiser is a beer from the +> >> old CSFR (nowadays ?Tschechien? [i just know the german word]). +> +> >Czechoslovakia. Budweiser Budwar (pronounced bud-var). +> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +> Not any more, a short while ago (Jan 1st?) it split into The Czech +> Republic and Slovakia. Actually, I think for a couple of years its official +> name was ""The Czech and Slovak Republics"". Sheesh! Don't you guys get CNN?? + +CNN=YuppieTV + + tom coradeschi <+> tcora@pica.army.mil + + ""Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea -- massive, +difficult to redirect, awe-inspiring, entertaining, and a source of mind- +boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it."" + --gene spafford, 1992 +";7;True +"From: caf@omen.UUCP (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) +Subject: Re: My New Diet --> IT WORKS GREAT !!!! +Organization: Omen Technology INC, Portland Rain Forest +Lines: 29 + +In article <1r3ks8INNica@lynx.unm.edu> bhjelle@carina.unm.edu () writes: +>In article <1993Apr21.091844.4035@omen.UUCP> caf@omen.UUCP (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) writes: +>>In article <19687@pitt.UUCP> geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes: +>>> +>>>Can you provide a reference to substantiate that gaining back +>>>the lost weight does not constitute ""weight rebound"" until it +>>>exceeds the starting weight? Or is this oral tradition that +>>>is shared only among you obesity researchers? +>> +>>Not one, but two: +>> +>>Obesity in Europe 88, +>>proceedings of the 1st European Congress on Obesity +>> +>>Annals of NY Acad. Sci. 1987 +>> +>Hmmm. These don't look like references to me. Is passive-aggressive +>behavior associated with weight rebound? :-) +> +>Brian + +I purposefully left off the page numbers to encourage the reader to +study the volumes mentioned, and benefit therefrom. + +-- +Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX ...!tektronix!reed!omen!caf +Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, and DSZ + Omen Technology Inc ""The High Reliability Software"" +17505-V NW Sauvie IS RD Portland OR 97231 503-621-3406 +";4;True +"From: weston@ucssun1.sdsu.edu (weston t) +Subject: graphical representation of vector-valued functions +Organization: SDSU Computing Services +Lines: 13 +NNTP-Posting-Host: ucssun1.sdsu.edu + +gnuplot, etc. make it easy to plot real valued functions of 2 variables +but I want to plot functions whose values are 2-vectors. I have been +doing this by plotting arrays of arrows (complete with arrowheads) but +before going further, I thought I would ask whether someone has already +done the work. Any pointers?? + +thanx in advance + + +Tom Weston | USENET: weston@ucssun1.sdsu.edu +Department of Philosophy | (619) 594-6218 (office) +San Diego State Univ. | (619) 575-7477 (home) +San Diego, CA 92182-0303 | +";1;True +"From: jclouse@discover.wright.edu (Jim Clouse) +Subject: World Series Stats +Nntp-Posting-Host: discgate +Organization: Wright State University +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] +Lines: 3 + +Does anybody else think that WS stats should become part of +a player's career stats? Why not? + +";14;True +"From: mmm@cup.portal.com (Mark Robert Thorson) +Subject: Re: scientology??? +Organization: The Portal System (TM) +Lines: 8 + +> i need some brief information on scientology (or applientology as frank zappa +> would call it) anyone have the time to send me some info on ol' l.ron and the b +> asics of what scientology is all about would be appreciated---p.s.i am not inte +> rested in any propaganda + +I've taken the liberty of passing your name and address to your local org +(Scientology office). They'll be contacting you in a few days. I also +threw in a small contribution, so they'd know you're serious. :-) +";19;True +"From: hernlem@chess.ncsu.edu (Brad Hernlem) +Subject: Re: was:Go Hezbollah! +Reply-To: hernlem@chess.ncsu.edu (Brad Hernlem) +Organization: NCSU Chem Eng +Lines: 31 + + +In article <1993Apr19.214300.17989@unocal.com>, stssdxb@st.unocal.com (Dorin Baru) writes: + +|> (Brad Hernlem writes: +|> +|> +|> >Well, you should have noted that I was cheering an attack on an Israeli +|> >patrol INSIDE Lebanese territory while I was condemning the ""retaliatory"" +|> >shelling of Lebanese villages by Israeli and Israeli-backed forces. My ""team"", +|> >you see, was ""playing fair"" while the opposing team was rearranging the +|> >faces of the spectators in my team's viewing stands, so to speak. +|> +|> >I think that you should try to find more sources of news about what goes on +|> >in Lebanon and try to see through the propaganda. There are no a priori +|> >black and white hats but one sure wonders how the IDF can bombard villages in +|> >retaliation to pin-point attacks on its soldiers in Lebanon and then call the +|> >Lebanese terrorists. +|> +|> If the attack was justified or not is at least debatable. But this is not the +|> issue. The issue is that you were cheering DEATH. [...] +|> +|> Dorin + +Dorin, of all the criticism of my post expressed on t.p.m., this one I accept. +I regret that aspect of my post. It is my hope that the occupation will end (and +the accompanying loss of life) but I believe that stiff resistance can help to +achieve that end. Despite what some have said on t.p.m., I think that there is +a point when losses are unacceptable. The strategy drove U.S. troops out of +Lebanon, at least. + +Brad Hernlem (hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU) +";15;True +"From: Graham Toal +Subject: Re: Hard drive security for FBI targets +Originator: gtoal@pizzabox.demon.co.uk +Keywords: entropy +Nntp-Posting-Host: pizzabox.demon.co.uk +Reply-To: Graham Toal +Organization: Cuddlehogs Anonymous +Lines: 9 + +In article <6040@osc.COM> Joe Keane writes: +:As a matter of fact, i do keep random files on my disk. The reason is, +:without special-purpose hardware, it takes a long time to generate good random +:bits. I have programs that crank out a couple bits per minute, which is +:pretty conservative, but over time that's more than i need. + +Sounds like a useful program - interested in posting it to alt.sources? + +G +";16;True +"From: jfox@hooksett.East.Sun.COM (John Fox - SunExpress IR) +Subject: Re: Jeep Grand vs. Toyota 4-Runner +Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. +Lines: 54 +Distribution: world +Reply-To: jfox@hooksett.East.Sun.COM +NNTP-Posting-Host: hooksett.east.sun.com + +In article IGw@world.std.com, edwards@world.std.com (Jonathan Edwards) writes: +>I am considering buying one of these two vehicles (new). +>I want a fun-to-drive family vehicle that can go through anything. +>The Jeep is very popular, and has the features. All-Wheel-Drive, 4 wheel +>anti-lock, roomy passenger cabin (but limited cargo with an internal spare). +>THe Toyota is an aging design with only part-time 4-wheel and only rear +>anti-lock (and no anti-lock in 4WD!). It also has a very inconvenient +>rear gate, not to mention awkward ingress to the passenger cabin. +> + +Any reason you are limited to the two mentioned? They aren't really at +the same point along the SUV spectrum - not to mention price range. +How about the Explorer, Trooper, Blazer, Montero, and if the budget +allows, the Land Cruiser? +Bear in mind that 90% of all SUV's purchased never venture off-road. +Carefully weigh the trade-off between comfort and off-road performance +when choosing one, and realistically decide whether you'll actually +make enough use of the off-road-ability to sacrifice (some of) the +on-road comfort. + + + +John + + + + + + + + + + +John + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +";10;True +"From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) +Subject: Re: Live Free, but Quietly, or Die +Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC +Lines: 30 +Distribution: world +Reply-To: egreen@east.sun.com +NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com + +In article 5049@cvbnetPrime.COM, tjohnson@tazmanian.prime.com (Tod Johnson (617) 275-1800 x2317) writes: +> +>I was able to avoid an accident by revving my engine and having my +>*stock* Harley pipes make enough noise to draw someones attention. +> +>Sure there are horns but my hand is already on the throttle. Should we +>get into how many feet a bike going 55mph goes in .30 seconds; or +>how long it would take me to push my horn button?? + +If we do, I think you'd loose. Sure, you're hand's already on the +throttle. And your thumb is already near the horn button. Pushing the +horn button is one simple move. Revving the throttle requires either +engaging the clutch, or accelerating. The first is a more complex +manuver than a simple horn button push, and the second ain't too bright +when there is a potential hazard ahead. Besides, the unique sound of a +horn is more effective in attracting the attention of BDI cagers than +is the sound of an engine, which is what they expect to hear (you are +on the road!). + +As is usually the case, a single anecdote hardly constitutes sound +safety procedure. + +The answer is 161.33 feet. + +--- +Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker, + Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM |and I showed him a picture of you. I said, +DoD #0111 (919)460-8302 |""Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"" + (The Grateful Dead) --> |It seemed like the least I could do... + +";7;True +"From: eks@daimi.aau.dk (Eigil Krogh S|rensen) +Subject: X-window for PC +Organization: DAIMI: Computer Science Department, Aarhus University, Denmark +Lines: 7 + +If a X-window package exists, that runs om PC, DOS (and maybe MS-windows) +I would be very happy to hear about it. + +Thanx in advance. + + -- Eigil Krogh Sorensen + +";12;True +"From: Bruce_Dunn@mindlink.bc.ca (Bruce Dunn) +Subject: Re: Clementine mission name +Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada +Lines: 22 + +> Wales.Larrison@ofa123.fidonet.org writes: +> +> Old pioneer song from the 1850's or so goes as follows: +> +> ""In a cavern, in a canyon, +> Excavating for a mine, +> Dwelt a miner, forty-niner, +> And his daughter, CLEMENTINE"" +> +> Chorus: +> ""Oh my darling, Oh my darling, +> Oh my darling Clementine. +> You are lost and gone forever, +> Oh my darling Clementine."" + + + Let us hope that the performance of the spacecraft follows the +sentiments of the first verse (miner) rather than the second (lost and gone +forever). + +-- +Bruce Dunn Vancouver, Canada Bruce_Dunn@mindlink.bc.ca +";2;True +"From: mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) +Subject: Environmentalism and paganism +Organization: AI Programs, University of Georgia, Athens +Lines: 12 + +I would like to see Christians devote a bit less effort to _bashing_ +paganism and more to figuring out how to present the Gospel to pagans. + +Christ is the answer; the pagans have a lot of the right questions. +Unlike materialists, who deny the need for any spirituality. + + +-- +:- Michael A. Covington, Associate Research Scientist : ***** +:- Artificial Intelligence Programs mcovingt@ai.uga.edu : ********* +:- The University of Georgia phone 706 542-0358 : * * * +:- Athens, Georgia 30602-7415 U.S.A. amateur radio N4TMI : ** *** ** <>< +";17;True +"From: Leewaiw@yalevm.YCC.Yale.edu (Spaceman) +Subject: 512K VRAM for Sale- LC or LCII +Nntp-Posting-Host: branford-college-node.net.yale.edu +Organization: Yale U. +Lines: 11 + +I have a 512k VRAM chip for sale. Worked fine in my LCII and will give 256 +colors on 640 x 480 size screen. Asking $50. I'll cover postage. Speaking +of which, does anyone know what the best way to send a chip is. I have a +plastic antistatic sleeve, but what's the best way to send it? In an +envelope? First class? All info appreciated. + +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ +Bill ""Spaceman"" Lee +P.O. Box 532, Yale Station +New Haven, CT 06520-0532 +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ +";0;True +"From: dealy@narya.gsfc.nasa.gov (Brian Dealy - CSC) +Subject: How 2 Get Fontname from Fonstruct ??? +Organization: NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center +Lines: 11 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: narya.gsfc.nasa.gov +Originator: dealy@narya.gsfc.nasa.gov + + +Anyone know how an application can retrieve the name of the font from +an application given an XFontStruct *? +Would XGetFontProperty work if I passed XA_FONT_NAME? +anyone know details of this? Thanks in advance. +Brian + +-- +Brian Dealy |301-572-8267| It not knowing where it's at +dealy@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov | | that's important,it's knowing +!uunet!dftsrv!kong!dealy | | where it's not at... B.Dylan +";12;True +"From: etjet@levels.unisa.edu.au +Subject: Aussie needs info on USA car shows/swap meets +Reply-To: johnt@spri.levels.unisa.edu.au +Organization: University of South Australia +Lines: 54 + + + +Hi from Australia, + +I am a car enthusiast in Australia. + +I am particularly interested in American Muscle cars of the +1960s and 1970s. ALL MAKES: AMC, Ford, Chrysler/Mopar, GM. + +I will be in the USA for 6 weeks from May 2nd to -June 14 1993. + +Chicago: Sun May 2 -Thursday May 6 +Denver: Friday May 7 - Sunday May 9 +Austin, Texas: Monday May 10- Friday May 21 +Oklahoma City: Friday May 21 - Monday May 24 +Anaheim, California: Tuesday May 25-Thursday May 27 +Las Vegas, Nevada: Friday May 28- Sunday May 30 +Grand Canion, Monday May 31 - Tuesday June 1 +Las Angeles, San Diego and vicinity: Wednesday June 3-Sunday June 6 June +South Lake Tahoe, Cal: Sunday June 6 - Wednesday June 9 +Reno: Thursday June 10 +San Fransisco: Thursday June 10 - Sunday June 13 + + +I was wondering if anyone could send me any information of +car shows, swap meets, drag meets, model car shows etc. during this period. +Can anybody tell me when the Pomona Swap meet is on this year? + +Also, any places to visit (eg. car museums, private collections, +your collection? etc. Any bit of information is appreciated! + +I am also interested in finding some model cars (scale Models). +I am intersted in 1968-1974 AMC cars. Of particular interest is: +1968-1970 AMX +1968-1974 Javelin +1969 SCRAMBLER +1970 Rebel Machine +and others + +If you have any kits, plastics, diecast etc and are interested in selling them, +tell me, I will be interested. + +I can also send/bring you models of Australian High performance cars if +you are interested. + + +Please reply by email to: johnt@spri.levels.unisa.edu.au + + +Thanks, + +John Tsimbinos + + +";10;True +"From: gtoal@gtoal.com (Graham Toal) +Subject: Re: Secret algorithm [Re: Clipper Chip and crypto key-escrow] +Lines: 65 + +] gtoal@news.ibmpcug.co.uk (Graham Toal) writes: +] > Try reading between the lines David - there are *strong* hints in there +] > that they're angling for NREN next, + +] Where? I honestly didn't see any... + +Hint 1: + +: Sophisticated encryption technology has been used for years to +: protect electronic funds transfer. It is now being used to +: protect electronic mail and computer files. While encryption + ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ + +Hint 2: + +: This new technology will help companies protect proprietary +: information, protect the privacy of personal phone conversations +: and prevent unauthorized release of data transmitted + ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +: electronically. At the same time this technology preserves the + ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +: -- the privacy of our citizens, including the need to +: employ voice or data encryption for business purposes; + ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +: -- the ability of authorized officials to access telephone +: calls and data, under proper court or other legal + ^^^^^^^^ +: order, when necessary to protect our citizens; + +VERY BIG HINT 3: + +# The Administration is committed to working with the private +# sector to spur the development of a National Information +# Infrastructure which will use new telecommunications and computer +# technologies to give Americans unprecedented access to +# information. This infrastructure of high-speed networks +# (""information superhighways"") will transmit video, images, HDTV +# programming, and huge data files as easily as today's telephone +# system transmits voice. + +VERY BIG HINT 4: (See above) + +## Since encryption technology will play an increasingly important +## role in that infrastructure, the Federal Government must act +## quickly to develop consistent, comprehensive policies regarding +## its use. + +] > and the only conceivable meaning of +] > applying this particular technology to a computer network is that they +] > intend it to be used in exclusion to any other means of encryption. + +] I disagree, if for no other reason than that there are already other +] standards in place. Besides, even if they restrict encryption on the NREN, +] who cares? Most of the Internet is commercial anyway. The NREN is only for +] geovernment and university research (read the proposals--it's a ""data +] superhighway"" for Cray users, not anything having to do with the Internet). + +Oh, I see your point. I think you're wrong. But if you sit back and wait +to find out if I'm right, it'll be too late. Just listen *very* carefully +for the first 'such and such will not be permitted on network XYZ' shoe to +drop. + +G + + +";16;True +"From: hzhang@compstat.wharton.upenn.edu (Hao Zhang) +Subject: Re: X-emulator +Organization: University of Pennsylvania +Lines: 12 +Nntp-Posting-Host: compstat.wharton.upenn.edu + +A posting in another news group I read a while ago said that +PC-Xview and PC-Xremote allow you to use Xterm. +Call NCD @ 503-641-2200 for more info. + +Hope it helps, + +-Hao +-- +--------------------------------------------------------------------- + Hao Zhang, Dept. of Stat., Wharton School, Univ. of Penn. + zhang48@wharton.upenn.edu hzhang@compstat.wharton.upenn.edu +--------------------------------------------------------------------- +";6;True +"From: etuggle@auc.trw.com (Eddie Tuggle) +Subject: Re: UHC SVR4.0.3.6 forsale.. +Keywords: UHC, SVR4 +Organization: TRW Denver Operations +Lines: 21 + +In article larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder) writes: +>darylm@illian.mnet.com (Daryl V. McDaniel) writes: + + ... + +> +>considering the conversation about UHC on the net, I wouldn't say $1K is +>a good deal -- considering the package is inflated in price to start with +> +>-- +>Larry Snyder +>larry@gator.rn.com + + +What problems have you had with UHC? I have been using their OS for 2 years +and have had very few problems. +-- +Eddie D. Tuggle, etuggle@dora.auc.trw.com | ""There is nothing either good or +TRW Denver Operations | bad, but thinking makes it so."" +16201 Centretech Pky / Aurora, CO 80011 | -- SHAKESPEARE +Voice: 303.360.4001 FAX: 303.360.4133 | +";8;True +"From: rbspencer@vms.macc.wisc.edu +Subject: FTP Problem on Gateway 486DX50 +Organization: University of Wisconsin Chemistry Computing Center +Distribution: usa +Lines: 18 + +We have a Gateway 486DX50 with a SMC Elite16 Series Ethercard Plus. + +When we use NCSA FTP to send from the Gateway with hash turned on, we see +4 hash marks immediately. Then the computer r e a l l y drags. If we turn +off the internal cache of the 486, the speed is better, but doesn't match +the speed when we receive to the Gateway. + +It doesn't matter if we send from the Gateway or get to it: 4 hash marks and +then extreme slowness if the cache is not disabled. + +Does anyone know any more about this? Is there a fix? + +The Gateway was purchased in June, 1992. + +Please respond directly. You wouldn't believe how slow the news is on this +system. + +Thanks. +";5;True +"From: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) +Subject: Re: BATF/FBI Murders Almost Everyone in Waco Today! 4/19 +Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc. +Lines: 82 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: dale.handheld.com + +In article roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) +writes: +> In article <1993Apr20.163730.16128@guinness.idbsu.edu> betz@gozer.idbsu.edu +(Andrew Betz) writes: +> >In article roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) +writes: +> >>And I suppose the FBI also prevented them from coming out with their +> >>hands up while national tv cameras watch. +> >> +> >Watch from where? Two miles away? Far enough away that whatever +> >really happenned must be explained through the vengeful filter of +> >a humiliated agency that said (quote!) ""Enough is enough."" +> +> Please tell me what you think would have happened had the people +> come out with their hands up several weeks ago. +> +It didn't happen. + +> >>scenario that is simplest and most plausible. I do not generally +> >>believe in conspiracy theories that involve complicated and unlikely +> >>scenarios. +> > +> >The FBI sent letters to Martin Luther King's wife insinuating +> >that MLK was having an affair! Again, please tell us exactly +> >how much you trust our supposedly benevolent government. +> +> More than someone who would not release children from the compound. +> +Obviously. You are an authority worshiper. + +> I.e., more than David Koresh/Vernon Howell/""Jesus Christ"". +> I saw lengthy excerpts from an Australian documentary made in +> 1992 that clearly showed that this was a cult. +> + +Give me a camera, and time with you, and I can present excerpts that show you +to be a cult leader. Guarenteed. You should at least view the whole +documentary before you claim it as a source. + + +> I am not pleased with the BATF handling of the affair. I think they +> bungled it badly from the start. But I don't think they are +> responsible for the fire, which started in two different places. +> + +Two places, eh? You saw this? Or did the wonderful FBI tell you this? +I saw one place. + +> >>The BATF is by no means devoid of fault in the handling of this affair. +> >>But to suggest that they may have intentionally started the fire is +> >>ludicrous. +> > +> >I suspect that there were plenty of camerapeople willing to +> >risk small arms fire to get some good footage. These people +> >were told to get the hell out of camera range. Why? +> > + +Couldn't answer this one, eh? This is the most important question of all, it +is the root cause of all the other suspicion. + +> >Drew +> >-- +> >betz@gozer.idbsu.edu +> >*** brought into your terminal from the free state of idaho *** +> >*** when you outlaw rights, only outlaws will have rights *** +> >*** spook fodder: fema, nsa, clinton, gore, insurrection, nsc, +> > semtex, neptunium, terrorist, cia, mi5, mi6, kgb, deuterium +> +> +> -- +> + +Jim + +-- +jmd@handheld.com +------------------------------------------------------------------------------- +""I'm always rethinking that. There's never been a day when I haven't rethought +that. But I can't do that by myself."" Bill Clinton 6 April 93 +""If I were an American, as I am an Englishman, while a foreign troop was landed +in my country, I never would lay down my arms,-never--never--never!"" +WILLIAM PITT, EARL OF CHATHAM 1708-1778 18 Nov. 1777 +";3;True +"From: pwg25888@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Patrick W. Grady) +Subject: Re: Did any DC-X gifs show up? +Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana +Lines: 30 + +fils@iastate.edu (Douglas R Fils) writes: + +>In article <1qgiah$h9g@news.cerf.net> diaspar@nic.cerf.net (Diaspar Virtual Reality Network) writes: +>>The rollout was great and I got lots of great shots. I attended +>>the press briefing and got shots of the DC-Y model, too. All +>>in 3D +>> +>>David H. Mitchell +>> +>> +>David, +> Are you still planing on scanning these and posting them +>somewhere? Hope Hope Hope. If you could that would be GREAT. + +>Thanks for report of the rollout as well +>take care +>Doug + + They did the rollout already??!? I am going to have to pay more +attention to the news. Are any of the gifs headed for wuarchive?? + + +Patrick + + +-- +Patrick Grady |How do they manage it, these humans-beginning + pwg25888@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu |each time so innocently, yet always ending up + pwg25888@sumter.cso.uiuc.edu |with the most blood on their hands? + |Fathertree to bugger, O.S. Card's _Xenocide_ +";2;True +"From: bagels@gotham.East.Sun.COM (Alex Beigelman - NYC SE) +Subject: NCR 1204 external floppy drive +Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. +Lines: 12 +Distribution: world +Reply-To: bagels@gotham.East.Sun.COM +NNTP-Posting-Host: lox.east.sun.com +Keywords: NCR 1204 external floppy disk-drive + +Hi, + +I just inherited an NCR 1204 external floppy. This thing has every port known to man on the back. +The question is: Does anyone know how to connect this thing to a PC. What hardware is needed? +Software? + +TIA, +Alex + +P.S. please respond directly. I am not on this alias. + + +";5;True +"From: TAL@brownvm.brown.edu () +Subject: EPS Technologies; experience anyone? +Organization: Brown University - Providence, Rhode Island USA +Lines: 29 +NNTP-Posting-Host: brownvm.brown.edu +Summary: 486dx 33mhz, recommendations, EPS +X-News-Software: BNN via BNN_POST v1.0 beta + +After a rough start purchasing a 486 system (see earlier post), I'm trying +again. I'm looking at the following system offered by EPS Technologies: + +- 486dx 33mhz w/ 256K static RAM cache,AMI Bios +- 3 32-bit VESA local bus slots, 3 16-bit slots, 1 8-bit slot +- Teac 1.2 & 1.44 mb floppy drives +- Maxtor 170 MB hard drive (15 ms) IDE w/64K cache buffer +- 32-bit vesa local bus video card w/ 1mb RAM 1024 X 768 NI (I *think* it's an + Orchid Fahrenheit 1280 card) +- 14"" NI Multisync monitor 1024 X 768 +- 101 Keyboard +- 200 Watt power supply +- Windows 3.1, Mouse, DOS 6.0 +- *3* years limited warranty +- 1 year on-site service + +I'm probably going to add the $125 for a 15"" flat-screen digital monitor, and +will also want to go for at least 8 mb RAM ($159 extra). + +Has anyone bought from EPS Technologies, particularly a system like the one +I'm considering. I'm especially interested in their warrantee and service. +Can anyone recommend other companies who offer similar packages, with support, +and comparable prices (I see FastMicro just bit it...). +Thanks in advance, + +-Toby Loftus +TAL@BROWNVM +TAL@brownvm.brown.edu +Brown University +";5;True +"From: umturne4@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Daryl Turner) +Subject: Re: Pens Info needed +Nntp-Posting-Host: ccu.umanitoba.ca +Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada +Lines: 19 + +In article <1993Apr15.140541.28465@ericsson.se> etxonss@ufsa.ericsson.se (Staffan Axelsson) writes: +> +> Actually, Swedish coach Curt Lundmark is thinking about leaving two +> spots open for additions from eliminated NHLers. It is Mats Sundin and +> Calle Johansson that Curt hopes can join the team, although in a late +> stage of the tournament. Technically, I seem to recall that you can leave +> spots open until 24 hrs before the WC final. +> +Hmmm...I also heard through the grapevine that Team Finland might try and +leave a spot open for at least one NHLer. (Some guy named Sel{nne, ever +hear of him? :) They might have to be content with Kurri, though, I hope. :) + + +Daryl Turner : r.s.h contact for the Winnipeg Jets +Internet: umturne4@ccu.umanitoba.ca +FidoNET: 1:348/701 -or- 1:348/4 (please route through 348/700) +Tkachuk over to Zhamnov, up to Sel{nne, he shoots, he scores! +The Jets win the Cup! The Jets win the Cup! +Essensa for Vezina! Housley for Norris! Sel{nne for Calder! +";13;True +"From: ""Jon C. R. Bennett"" +Subject: Ideas on Clipper +Organization: Robotics Institute, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA +Lines: 92 +NNTP-Posting-Host: andrew.cmu.edu + + +I have an idea as to why the encryption algorithm needs to be keep secret, +and some things that i think it implies. (Of course these could all be +wrong.....) + +from + + THE CLIPPER CHIP: A TECHNICAL SUMMARY + Dorothy Denning + Revised, April 21, 1993 + +. +. +. + +The Clipper Chip contains a classified single-key 64-bit block +encryption algorithm called ""Skipjack."" The algorithm uses 80 bit keys +(compared with 56 for the DES) and has 32 rounds of scrambling +(compared with 16 for the DES). It supports all 4 DES modes of +operation. The algorithm takes 32 clock ticks, and in Electronic +Codebook (ECB) mode runs at 12 Mbits per second. + +Each chip includes the following components: + + the Skipjack encryption algorithm + F, an 80-bit family key that is common to all chips + N, a 30-bit serial number (this length is subject to change) + U, an 80-bit secret key that unlocks all messages encrypted with the chip + +. +. +. + +ENCRYPTING WITH THE CHIP + +To see how the chip is used, imagine that it is embedded in the AT&T +telephone security device (as it will be). Suppose I call someone and +we both have such a device. After pushing a button to start a secure +conversation, my security device will negotiate an 80-bit session key K +with the device at the other end. This key negotiation takes place +without the Clipper Chip. In general, any method of key exchange can +be used such as the Diffie-Hellman public-key distribution method. + +Once the session key K is established, the Clipper Chip is used to +encrypt the conversation or message stream M (digitized voice). The +telephone security device feeds K and M into the chip to produce two +values: + + E[M; K], the encrypted message stream, and + E[E[K; U] + N; F], a law enforcement field , + +which are transmitted over the telephone line. The law enforcement +field thus contains the session key K encrypted under the unit key U +concatenated with the serial number N, all encrypted under the family +key F. The law enforcement field is decrypted by law enforcement after +an authorized wiretap has been installed. + +------------------ + +suppose i knew how the algorithm worked and knew the N for my chip, but +did not know F, then by cryptanalysis i might be able to determine F from +if law enforcement field + E[E[K; U] + N; F] +not knowing N would might make this much harder. + +Now suppose that I know F, (either legitimately or not), +If I know K (either because I am involved in the conversation, or I know U +for a party in the conversation), I may now be able to determine U for the +other party. + +If I know F I can also defeat the law enforcement field, since I could +make my own, with a different K then the one I am using. Knowing F also +allows traffic analysis to be performed. So I might not know what you are +saying but I could know who you are saying it too. + +Now I admit that someone trying to compute U will not have lots of +messages to work from, but since we have no way of knowing that the key +generation method does not (deliberately?) generate weak keys, or for that +matter that the published method is in fact used, perhaps the U's will be +chosen from know weak keys for the system. + +Obviously the compromise of F would be a disaster, both to law enforcement +for whom this whole thing is designed, and for the people who believe that +it is giving them security. F is but one number, and I sure that alot of +people (more then 1) know what it is (and if some ""panel of experts"" is +going to check it over for flaws then many more will know F, forget +grinding chips, bribery and blackmail work just fine. + +So, am I wrong? Or are these problems. + +jon + +";16;True +"From: feustel@netcom.com (David Feustel) +Subject: BATF's Prime Directive +Organization: DAFCO: OS/2 Software Support & Consulting +Lines: 7 + +Bully, Them; Bludgeon Them, Bury Them. +-- +Dave Feustel N9MYI + +I'm beginning to look forward to reaching the %100 allocation of taxes +to pay for the interest on the national debt. At that point the +federal government will be will go out of business for lack of funds. +";3;True +"From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) +Subject: Stan Fischler, 4/16 (Keenan stuff!) +Summary: prior to Devils at Islanders Pregame +Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu +Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) +Organization: PhDs In The Hall +Lines: 30 + + +* The Keenan hiring is precipitated by the loss of an anticipated $5M +in playoff revenue and fears of losing season ticket-holders (!), plus +Paramount chief Stan Jaffe's chip against the Flyers over l'Affaire +Lindros last autumn. Add to this that Neilsen might return as an +assistant coach [Gerald, what'd I say earlier today??], and Roger +conferred with Jaffe on the hiring. This hiring by Jaffe went over +the head of MSG, Inc. (Par. subsidiary) head Bob Gutkowski and over +the head and the protests of Pres./GM Neil Smith. + +* MSG is making the announcement on Saturday to get back at the +Islanders for making the playoffs (i.e., steal the press). + +* Flyers owner Ed Snyder is livid and beside himself over this. + +* Keenan will make up to $900,000/yr. + +* Gary Bettman has appointed an independent consul to look at +Gil Stein's admission into the Hall of Fame. + +* New crease colours, rather than blue? + +* The Oilers will charge to eat in the Press Room next year. + +gld +-- +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ +Gary L. Dare +> gld@columbia.EDU GO Winnipeg Jets GO!!! +> gld@cunixc.BITNET Selanne + Domi ==> Stanley +";13;True +"From: fester@island.COM (Mike Fester) +Subject: Re: Notes on Jays vs. Indians Series +Organization: /usr/local/rn/organization +Distribution: na +Lines: 41 + +In article <1993Apr14.081214.3921@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes: +>>>>>second basemen in history. He probably didn't even have as good a season as +>>>>>Alomar last year. +>>> +>>>Guess which line is which: +>>> BA OBP SLG AB H 2B 3B HR BB +>>>X .310 .405 .427 571 177 27 8 8 87 +>>>Y .312 .354 .455 657 205 32 1 20 35 +>> +>>>The walks should give it away. OBP's, in general, somewhat more valuable than +>>>slugging, and Alomar's edge in OBP was quite a bit larger than Baerga's edge +>>>in slugging. +>> +>>I'm no SDCN, but what's more valuable: +>> +>>28 hits w/5 more doubles, 12 more HRs OR +>>7 more triples and 52 BBs? (Let's not forget the 39 extra SBs. How many CS?) +> +>Of course the 28 hits and 12 homers are more valuable. +> +>But don't forget the 58 outs. You can't have it both ways; Baerga's higher +>raw numbers are due to him having more playing time, and thus he had more +>hits and homers, but don't forget the cost of those outs. +> +>(BTW, just to answer your question, Alomar had 49 SB and 9 CS; Baerga had +>10 SB and 2 CS, which gives a minute plus on Alomar's side.) + +Something else to consider: + +Alomar's H-R splits were .500-.363 SLG, .444-.369 OBP! Baerga's was .486-.424 +and .392-.318. Pretty clearly, Alomar got a HUGE boost from his home park. + +I'd say you could make a good for them being about equal right now. T&P +rated Baerga higher, actually. + +Mike +-- +Disclaimer - These opiini^H^H damn! ^H^H ^Q ^[ .... :w :q :wq :wq! ^d ^X ^? +exit X Q ^C ^? :quitbye CtrlAltDel ~~q :~q logout save/quit :!QUIT +^[zz ^[ZZZZZZ ^vi man vi ^@ ^L ^[c ^# ^E ^X ^I ^T ? help helpquit ^D ^d !! +man help ^C ^c :e! help exit ?Quit ?q CtrlShftDel ""Hey, what does Stop L1A d..."" +";14;True +"From: gchin@ssf.Eng.Sun.COM (Gary Chin) +Subject: Re: When are two people married in God's e +Reply-To: gchin@ssf.Eng.Sun.COM +Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. +Lines: 32 + +In article 28727@athos.rutgers.edu, 62johnson@cua.edu (Yusef Al-Tariq) writes: +>Who's law is it that a wedding has to happen in a church? the only reqirement +>is that you and the bride agreee to marry each other. How also can you say "" +>""christian wedding"" when the proces of marriage is nt really discussed in the +>bible. why mus t a person get a civil marriage also? The only standards i +>look to are those imposed upon me by god... not of society. + +If you want to live with someone, you can. +If you don't want to have a civil marriage, don't. +If you don't want to have a wedding in a church, don't. +If you want to call that a marriage, go right ahead. + +I hope that the young people that are around you, don't follow your example. + + +|-------------------| +| Gary Chin | +| Staff Engineer | +| Sun Microsystems | +| Mt. View, CA | +| gchin@Eng.Sun.Com | +|-------------------| + +[If the original message claims that marriage is not discussed in the +Bible, I have to disagree. Various aspects of marriage are discussed +in some of Paul's letters, Ephesians 5 sees marriage as a symbol of +God's relationship with the church. If it means specifically that the +marriage ceremony isn't described, then that seems to be true. But I +think what most people mean by Christian marriage is not so much that +it takes place in a church as that the parties undertake the various +commitments to each other that are associated with marriage in the +Bible. --clh] +";17;True +"From: curtiss@cs.UND.NoDak.Edu (Chuck Curtiss x3289) +Subject: Athena Widgets +Organization: University of North Dakota; Grand Forks, ND +Lines: 5 +NNTP-Posting-Host: agassiz.cas.und.nodak.edu +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] + +Where do I find the Athena Widgets that are needed for xtdm-2.4.8 + +Thanks in advance + + +";12;True +"From: rem@buitc.bu.edu (Robert Mee) +Subject: Diamond Speedstar Driver for v3.1 +Organization: Boston University, Boston, MA, USA +Lines: 16 + + +I am looking for a WIN31 driver (or set) for my Diamond +Speedstar 1MB video card. Does anybody know of an archive +site that has these? I looked at CICA and it had drivers for +the Stealth card and for Generic ET4000 cards but not one +specifically for the Speedstar. Is there one? Or has Diamond +dropped the Speedstar out of the driver development loop. + +Thanks for any info, + +Rob +-- + +Robert Mee Boston University Information Technology (rem@bu-it.bu.edu) + + +";6;True +"From: leec@cb-iris.Stanford.EDU (Christopher Lee) +Subject: HELP! Setting Colormaps on multi-top-level APP +Keywords: GLX mixed-model,colormap +Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA +Lines: 71 + + +Dear SGI and netter GL-X Mixed-Model experts, +I am writing a mixed model application that creates a couple different +color maps for different windows, and I've been having trouble getting +the window manager to reliably honor my requests. In some environments +(entry level R3000 Indigo w/ 4.0.5) all windows are getting properly +connected to their designated color maps, but on others (an IRIS 4D 240/GTX; +also a different entry level Indigo) the color mapping is unreliable +and changes behavior when I compile at different times. The most common +problem is that all non-top-level windows fail to be displayed according +to their colormap. My application starts out by creating three top-level +windows; in some cases all but the first of these also fail to be +displayed by their colormap. This is spectacularly aggravating. + +I would dearly appreciate + 1. an explanation of the standard, RIGHT, CORRECT way to give a window + a colormap such that the Window Manager will Honor and Obey it; + + 2. any advice about problems that could cause my failure to get my + desired colormaps. + +By now I have exhausted my own attempts on this, having tried everything +reasonable or imaginable. + +Below is example code giving the schematic for how I have been *TRYING* +to do this. Please, please, please SOMEBODY tell me what I am doing +wrong/how to do it right!!! + + +Yours, + +Chris Lee + +/***********************************************************************/ +Display* dpy; /* DECLARE SOME DATA... */ +Colormap popup_cmap; +XColor mycolor; +Window win; +XSetWindowAttributes cwa; +int nwlist; +Window *wlist; + +/* NB: FOR BREVITY, NOT SHOWING ALL CODE LINES--JUST A SCHEMATIC */ + +popup_cmap=XCreateColormap(dpy,DefaultRootWindow(dpy),vis->visual,AllocAll); + +/* HERE WE STORE A BUNCH OF COLORS USING + XStoreColor(dpy,popup_cmap,&mycolor); ... */ + +cwa.colormap = popup_cmap; +win = XCreateWindow(dpy, parent, x, y, w, h, + borderWidth, vis->depth, InputOutput, vis->visual, + CWColormap|CWBorderPixel, &cwa); + + +/* LIST ALL SUB WINDOWS OF my_topwin, PARENT OF win, INTO wlist; + nwlist IS COUNTER OF ENTRIES IN wlist. + + NB: wlist is static storage that can be relied on not to go away + or be corrupted. I thought of that! Does anyone know if + setting WM properties is by data copy, or by reference pointer? + + ie. is it acceptable to pass data for a Property, then free + the data? */ +XSetWMColormapWindows(dpy,my_topwin,wlist,nwlist); + +XMapRaised(Display0,win); + +/* LATER ON WE HANDLE XEvents NORMALLY... TYPICAL EVENTLOOP */ + + +";12;True +"From: mark@ardsley.business.uwo.ca (Mark Bramwell) +Subject: Re: Cellular Phone (Portable) for sale +Organization: Western Business School +Distribution: usa +Summary: Takes longer than 24 hours +Nntp-Posting-Host: home-pc1.business.uwo.ca +Lines: 19 + +> +>I hope you realize that for a cellular phone, you need to subscribe to a +>Cellular carrier, and it usually takes at least one working day before +>the service is available to you. Only then you can find out whether +>the phone is working. +> +>Tin +> + + +Not true. Dial 811 and listen to the recording. If you get it, then your +phone was recognized by the network. You wouldn't be able to dial a real +number yet (of course!) + +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= +Mark Bramwell, VE3PZR Located in sunny London, Ontario + +Internet: Mark@ARDSLEY.business.uwo.ca IP Address: 129.100.29.33 + Packet: VE3PZR @ VE3GYQ UWO Phone: (519) 661-3714 +";8;True +"From: xrcjd@resolve.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles J. Divine) +Subject: Space Station radio commercial +Organization: NASA/GSFC Greenbelt Maryland +Lines: 13 + +A brief political/cultural item. + +Radio station WGMS in Washington is a classical music station with +a large audience among high officials (elected and otherwise). +Imagine a radio station that advertises Mercedes Benzes, diamond +jewelry, expensive resorts and (truthfully) Trident submarines. + +This morning I heard a commercial for the space station project. +Didn't catch the advertiser. + +Guess they're pulling out all the stops. +-- +Chuck Divine +";2;True +"Organization: City University of New York +From: +Subject: Catholic Right & Pat Robertson +Lines: 49 + +The Roman Catholic conservatives are coming out in the open to line +up with Pat Robertson and his ultra Right Wing Christian Coalition. +Former Secretary of Education William Bennet, a Roman Catholic, stood +beside the Christian Coalition's spokesman Ralph Reed at a March 3 +conference in Washington. The purpose of the conference was to +publish results of a Christian Coalition poll which was designed +to prove that the Republican party would lose major support if it +backed away from the ""Family Values"" positons of the '92 convention. + +Conservative Catholics have swung behind Robertson's organization +with political expertise, legal assistance and high tech communications +support. + +The Catholic Campaign for American, designed as a Catholic version +of the Moral Majority, was founded by Marlene Elwell and Tom Wykes. +Ms. Elwell has been with Robertson since the days of his Freedom +Council in 1985 and worked for him in his presidential bid in 1988. + +Ms. Elwell was hired by Domino's Pizza magnate, Tom Monaghan, in 1989 +to manage Legatus, a ""nonpolitical"", Catholic businessmen's group. +Membership is limited to Catholics who head corporations with a least $4 +million in annual revenues. Relying on a network of wealthy contacts +at Legatus, Elwell and Wykes had little trouble forming and funding the +Catholic Campaign. + +The Campaign's list of national committee members includes U.S. Rep. +Robert K. Dornan, Phyllis Schlafly of the Eagle Forum, the lovely +Pat Buchanan and Rev. Richard J. Neuhaus. Also on the national +committee is Keith Fournier, a Catholic who heads Pat Robertson's +American Center for Law and Justice. Another Catholic, Thomas +Patrick Monaghan, senior counsel of Robertson's ACLJ, is also an +active supporter of the Catholic Campaign. + +The board of directors includes Frank Shakespeare, broadcasting exec +and former U.S. ambassador to the Pope, Wall Street executive Frank +Lynch, former Reagan official Richard V. Allen, Bishop Rene Gracida +of Corpus Christi and Mary Ellen Bork, wife of unsuccessful Supreme +Court nominee Robert Bork. + +In the Winter 1992 issue of _Campaign Update_ the organization's +quarterly newsletter, Rocco L. Martino, a Philadelphia business +executive wrote: ""Separation of church and state is a false premise +that must finally be cast aside and replaced by the true meaning of +our constitution."" + +Oh yes, the organization's ""national ecclesisatical advisor"" is +Catholic politician Cardinal John J. O'Connor of New York. + +Jack Carroll +";19;True +"From: janson@crow.csrv.uidaho.edu (Todd Janson) +Subject: FORSALE: Norman Rockwell +Organization: University of Idaho, Moscow, Idaho +Lines: 21 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: crow.csrv.uidaho.edu +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] + + +Okay, okay, Norman himself isn't actually for sale. BUT: + +I have two Saturday Even Post's, both of which have Norman Rockwell +illustrations on the front cover. + +October 29, 1960 -- with candidate Kennedy on campaign + -- has, obviously, a Norman Rockwell of Kennedy on the cover + +November 5, 1960 -- with candidate Nixon on campaign + -- And here we have Nixon. He's not a crook... + +These are both in very good condition. +Let me know if you're interested, and to what tune. ($$) + +-- +*=-------------------------------------------------------------=* +* // * +* // Todd Janson. No group. Moscow, Idaho * +* \\/ * +*=-------------------------------------------------------------=* +";8;True +"From: melons@vnet.IBM.COM (Mike Magil) +Subject: Re: rejoinder. Questions to Israelis +Lines: 48 + +>From: bc744@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Ira Kaufman) +>Newsgroups: talk.politics.mideast +>Subject: Re: rejoinder. Questions to Israelis +>Date: 23 Apr 1993 12:55:47 GMT +>Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) +> +> +> Although I realize that principle is not one of your strongest +>points, I would still like to know why do do not ask any question +>of this sort about the Arab countries. +> +> If you want to continue this think tank charade of yours, your +>fixation on Israel must stop. You might have to start asking the +>same sort of questions of Arab countries as well. You realize it +>would not work, as the Arab countries' treatment of Jews over the +>last several decades is so bad that your fixation on Israel would +>begin to look like the biased attack that it is. +> +> Everyone in this group recognizes that your stupid 'Center for +>Policy Research' is nothing more than a fancy name for some bigot +>who hates Israel. +> +> Why don't you try being honest about your hatred of Israel? I +>have heard that your family once lived in Israel, but the members +>of your family could not cut the competition there. Is this true +>about your family? Is this true about you? Is this actually not +>about Israel, but is really a personal vendetta? Why are you not +>the least bit objective about Israel? Do you think that the name +>of your phony-baloney center hides your bias in the least? Get a +>clue, Mr. Davidsson. Haven't you realized yet that when you post +>such stupidity in this group, you are going to incur answers from +>people who are armed with the truth? Haven't you realized that a +>piece of selective data here and a piece there does not make up a +>truth? Haven't you realized that you are in over your head? The +>people who read this group are not as stupid as you would hope or +>need them to be. This is not the place for such pseudo-analysis. +>You will be continually ripped to shreds, until you start to show +>some regard for objectivity. Or you can continue to show what an +>anti-Israel zealot you are, trying to disguise your bias behind a +>pompous name like the 'Center for Policy Research.' You ought to +>know that you are a laughing stock, your 'Center' is considered a +>joke, and until you either go away, or make at least some attempt +>to be objective, you will have a place of honor among the clowns, +>bigots, and idiots of Usenet. + +I couldn't have said it better, Mark! + +- Mike. +";15;True +"From: apland@mala.bc.ca (Ron Apland) +Subject: Re: Telephone # of Cirrus Logic +Organization: Malaspina College +Lines: 14 + +In article , chen@galileo.ifa.hawaii.edu (Hua Chen) writes: +> Is there anybody who knows the telephone number of Cirrus Logic Co., +> maker of a graphic card? Please reply to chen@cfa.harvard.edu +> Thank you very much. +> +> Hua Chen +> Center for Astrophysics +> + + +BBS number +510-226-2365 + +Ron +";6;True +"From: pmartz@dsd.es.com (Paul Martz) +Subject: Re: 24-bit Static color: will clients like it? +Nntp-Posting-Host: bambam +Reply-To: pmartz@dsd.es.com (Paul Martz) +Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp., Salt Lake City, UT +Lines: 38 + +In article <1993Apr26.123918.1@vxcrna.cern.ch>, roeber@vxcrna.cern.ch (Frederick Roeber) writes: +> I'm writing an X server for some video-generation equipment. The +> hardware is ""truecolor"" in YUV space; in X terms it has a 24-bit +> static color visual. I would really like to have the server just +> present this static visual, but I'm not sure if this will be +> acceptable to ""most"" X clients. The three problems I see are: +> +> 1) The colormap, though huge, is static. +> 2) All pixels would be 3 bytes wide. +> 3) Because the hardware actually lives in YUV space, the +> translation RGB->YUV will introduce some rounding error. + +We tried to ship an X server once that only supported a 24bit +TrueColor visual. The main problems we encountered were: + + 1) Clients written with logic like the following: + + if (DefaultDepth() != 1) + /* Assume default depth is 8bit */ + + These clients need an 8bit deep visual in the root window + to run correctly. + + 2) Other clients didn't even bother to do that much, and just + outright assumed they had a *dynamic* visual class, with a + dynamic colormap. XStoreColors doesn't work on cmaps + associated with Static or TrueColor visual classes, but + many clients don't bother to check, they just start + throwing XStoreColor calls at you. + +Though both are clearly client error, this is the case with so many +clients that it's easier for you to expose 8bit PseudoColor as a +default root window visual, than it ever would be for all these client +writers to change their clients to do the right thing. +-- + + -paul pmartz@dsd.es.com + Evans & Sutherland +";12;True +"From: laszlo@eclipse.cs.colorado.edu (Laszlo Nemeth) +Subject: Re: BMW MOA members read this! +Nntp-Posting-Host: eclipse.cs.colorado.edu +Organization: University of Colorado Boulder, Pizza Disposal Group +Lines: 27 + +In article <1993Apr19.193331.11327@sarvax.cmhnet.org>, frog@sarvax.cmhnet.org (Jeff 'Frog' Campbell) writes: +|> From article , by cdw2t@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Dances With Federal Rangers): +|> > +|> > ObMotoWashing: Is it just me, or does everyone cut their finger(s) on the +|> > Evil Cotterpin (tm), lurking somewhere in the dark recesses of the back end +|> > of the bike, when giving the prized moto a bath? I seem to slice the pinkie +|> > of one hand or the other *every* time (*both* of them this time!). +|> +|> It's you. Beemers have no EC (tm). + +OH yes they do! but considering i never wash my BMW (unless i need +to work on it) i never get cuts untill the tools come out..... +altho the best scar (now faded) was from the exhaust piper, +while try to change the oil, after overheating the engine (watch +out for idiot drivers that won't let you pass in the mountains +when you have a rider, case of oil (it was on sale), and case of +beer), with a drain bolt that decided to seize. + +just how does everyone else clean out the area under the transmission +on a BMW R bike? they only way i have found is to remove the +engine and transmission. that and the clutch arm are impossible to +clean (which is wear one of the EC (s&m) are located). + + +laz +Ps anyone know where i can get the heads polished and ported +cheap. also how much should that run. +";7;True +"From: karr@cs.cornell.edu (David Karr) +Subject: Re: New to Motorcycles... +Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853 +Lines: 83 + +In article <1993Apr20.131800.16136@alw.nih.gov> gregh@niagara.dcrt.nih.gov (Gregory Humphreys) writes: +>Hello everyone. I'm new to motorcycles so no flames please. I don't +>have my bike yet so I need a few pieces of information: +> +>[...] Any stories on how you all learned? + +I'll tell you my story as an example of what *not* to do. + +Early in 1984 I took some riding lessons from my college roommate on +his old Honda CB360T. He had taken the MSF beginner's course, so I +actually learned *some* of what I needed to know to ride. + +I proceeded to buy a beat-up Honda CL350 for $400 and a $12 helmet and +rode around wearing this and a cotton windbreaker. Then I decided to +invest in a full-face helmet (first smart move). Sometime around then +I also passed my road test. + +On May 4, 1984, I got caught in a rainstorm on my way home from a +4-mile trip. Entering the town where I lived (a rather urban suburb), +I had to stop suddenly for a red light that I noticed too late, +skidded the rear tire out, and was ejected face upward into the +oncoming lane of traffic. Fortunately for me the oncoming traffic was +also stopped for the same red light, otherwise I might have slid under +a car and been killed. + +Now this is anecdotal evidence, to be sure, but I later took the +Experienced Rider Course from the MSF and saw that earlier training +could have helped me greatly. In your case the need is even greater +since you have nobody to help you practice even the most basic stuff +as I did. + +So my advice is to take the MSF beginner's course first thing. I +wouldn't even buy a bike until you've taken the course, unless you +happen to pick up a real good deal and can store it someplace until +you're ready to use it. + +>1) I only have about $1200-1300 to work with, so that would have +>to cover everything (bike, helmet, anything else that I'm too +>ignorant to know I need to buy) + +While you're waiting to take the course (it might take a few weeks in +DC, as I recall there were always waiting lists in Boston), could you +save up some more money to start out right? Say $300 for riding gear, +plus the cost bike, plus maybe $100 (guess) to a mechanic to make sure +the machine is safe (assuming you economize by buying some old beat-up +machine from a private individual), plus insurance, plus registration +and licensing fees, plus the course, you're looking at maybe $600 not +including the bike itself and a reserve for ongoing maintenance. + +>2) What is buying a bike going to do to my insurance? I turn 18 in +>about a month so my parents have been taking care of my insurance up +>till now, and I need a comprehensive list of costs that buying a +>motorcycle is going to insure (I live in Washington DC if that makes +>a difference) + +I pay about $100 insurance now (upstate NY) but it was closer to $200 +in Boston (more urban) for decent insurance including substantial +coverage for liability, which you want unless you plan always to be +poor. I'd guess DC is more like Boston than like a rural area, ergo +more expensive. + +>3) Any recommendations on what I should buy/where I should look for it? + +There used to be annual buyer's guides in the usual motorcycle +magazines; I found those helpful in getting an idea of what new or +recent models might be available. You could probably look through +past issues to size up what used bikes might be available. (My first +bike was 13 years old when I bought it so I went on my friend's advice +instead.) Also look at the bikes that you see people riding or that +are parked on the street. I basically settled on my present bike by +noticing that there were a lot of high-mileage BMW's running around +and they were generally set up the way I wanted. + +Nothing wrong with talking to various dealers in your area or visiting +showrooms. Dealers in the Boston area, at least when I was shopping, +were very nice about letting you look around their showrooms and +quoting prices for bikes that weren't the latest models (hence +cheaper), although I ended up buying both bikes in private sales. + +-- David Karr (karr@cs.cornell.edu) +-- '80 BMW R65 DoD #0969 also BMWMOA, NRA, ACLU, et al. + + +";7;True +"From: manes@magpie.linknet.com (Steve Manes) +Subject: Re: Drinking and Riding +Organization: Manes and Associates, NYC +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] +Lines: 17 + +Norman Hamer (maven@eskimo.com) wrote: +: What is a general rule of thumb for sobriety and cycling? Couple hours after +: you ""feel"" sober? What? Or should I just work with ""If I drink tonight, I +: don't ride until tomorrow""? + +It depends on how badly you want to live. The FAA says ""eight hours, bottle +to throttle"" for pilots but recommends twenty-four hours. The FARs specify +a blood/alcohol level of 0.4 as legally drunk, I think, which is more than +twice as strict as DWI minimums. + +BTW, alcohol metabolizes in your blood at a fixed rate -- one beer/hour will +keep your blood/alcohol level barely street-legal. Coffee, hyperventilation +and other bar tricks won't speed it up nor will they fool Mr. Ranger. +-- +Stephen Manes manes@magpie.linknet.com +Manes and Associates New York, NY, USA =o&>o + +";7;True +"From: weilej@cary115.its.rpi.edu (Jason Lee Weiler) +Subject: Re: Sun IPX root window display - background picture +Keywords: sun ipx background picture +Article-I.D.: rpi.gc15hqk +Reply-To: weilej@rpi.edu +Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY. +Lines: 31 +Nntp-Posting-Host: cary115.its.rpi.edu + +In article <1993Apr19.220817.22480@osi.com>, scott@osi.com (Scott Fleming) writes: +|> +|> Hello netters! +|> +|> I have a fairly weak question to ask everybody in netland. I've looked though +|> the last FAQ for comp.graphics but I didn't find my answer. Thus the post. +|> +|> I'll keep it short. +|> +|> QUESTION: How do I display any raster files, gif files, iff or tiff images +|> that I have on my ""root window"" or background? I have a sun ipc, openwindows +|> 3.0, Sun OS 4.1.3 if that helps any. +|> +|> I've compiled POV for the sun and would like to display some of the work I have +|> done as a background/tile. Thanks for any help or information that you +|> provide. Have a good day. +|> +|> Scott Fleming +|> OSI +|> +|> P.S. +|> Kudo's to the people who provided POV, its great! +|> + +Scott, + I'm not so sure if this is helpful, but I usually use XV v2.21. I use Sun IPCs and IPXs, and it works fine. It can display in a good number of ways.(root being one of them) It's also possible to have XV put up a background automatically at login. Hope this helps. + +Jason Weiler + + +BTW XV v2.21 is on anonymous FTP somewhere. (archie fer it!) +";1;True +"From: aruit@idca.tds.philips.nl (Anton de Ruiter) +Subject: ??? TOP-30 WINDOWS applications ??? +Organization: Digital Equipment Enterprise bv, Apeldoorn, The Netherlands. +Lines: 36 + + +Hello everybody, + +I am searching for (business) information of Windows application, to create a +TOP-30 of most used WordProcessors, Spreadsheets, Drawing programs, Schedulers +and Fax programs, etc.. + +Please mail me all your information or references. I will summaries the +results on this media. + + +Thank you in advance, + +Anton de Ruiter. + ++----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +| _ __ |Digital Equipment Corporation | +| /_| __ /_ _ __ __/_ /__) ./_ _ _|WorkGroup Products (WGP) | +|/ |/ /(_ (_)/ / (_/(-' / \ (_//(_ (-'/ |OBjectWorks (OBW) | +| |Ing. Anton de Ruiter MBA | +| |Software Product Manager | +| __ |Post Office Box 245 | +| | /_ _ /_ / _'_ _ _ |7300 AE Apeldoorn, The Netherlands| +| |/|/(_)/ /\ (__// (_)(_//_) |Oude Apeldoornseweg 41-45 | +| / |7333 NR Apeldoorn, The Netherlands| +| __ |-----------------------------------| +| /__)_ _ __/ _ /_ _ |Mail : HLDE01::RUITER_A | +| / / (_)(_/(_/(_ (_ _\ |DTN : 829-4359 | +| |Location: APD/F1-A22 | +| |-----------------------------------| +| __ _ |Internet: aruit@idca.tds.philips.nl| +| / )/_) ._ _ /_ | /_ _ /_ _ |UUCP : ..!mcsun!philapd!aruit | +| (__//__)/(-'(_ (_ |/|/(_)/ /\ _\ |Phone : 31 55 434359 (Business)| +| _/ |Phone : 31 5486 18199 (Private) | +| |Fax : 31 55 432199 | ++----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +";6;True +"From: Center for Policy Research +Subject: rejoinder. Questions to Israelis +Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1483500352:000:3446 +Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!cpr Apr 22 17:29:00 1993 +Lines: 71 + + +From: Center for Policy Research +Subject: rejoinder. Questions to Israelis + + +To: shaig@Think.COM + +Subject: Ten questions to Israelis + +Dear Shai, + +Your answers to my questions are unsatisfactory. + +In the answer to my first question, concerning the nonexistence of +Israeli nationality, your answer conflicts with information I have +received from other quarters, according to which there are two +distinct categories of classifying Israelis: Citizenship +(Ezrahut) and Nationality (Le'um). The former is used on passports +etc, and the later for daily identification in Israeli society. I +am told that people in Israel have to carry their ID cards at all +times and present them at many public places, almost every day. +These ID cards make clear who the holder is, a Jew or an Arab. +You maintain that this mainly because of religious services +provided. But do you really believe that this is the reason ? +Could you provide evidence that this is the case and that it +serves no other purpose ? + +In the answer to my second questions, concerning the fact that +Israel has no fixed borders, you state that Israel's borders were +'shaped and reshaped by both war and peace'. According to what I +read, the first Zionists in the beginning of the Century, had +plans for the Jewish State to extend into what is Lebanon and into +Transjordan (Jordan). I also read that it was the express wish of +Ben-Gurion to not declare Israel's borders, when Israel was +established, as this might restrict Israel's opportunities for +later expansion. Israel often claims it right of existence on the +fact that Jews lived there 2000 years ago or that God promised the +land to them. But according to biblical sources, the area God +promised would extend all the way to Iraq. And what were the +borders in biblical times which Israel considers proper to use +today ? Finally, if Israel wants peace, why can't it declare what +it considers its legitimate and secure borders, which might be a +base for negotiations? Having all the above facts in mind, one +cannot blame Arab countries to fear Israeli expansionism, as a +number of wars have proved (1948, 1956, 1967, 1982). + +Your answer to my third question is typical of a Stalinist public +official. I don't think your answer is honest. You refer me to +Vanunu's revelations about Israel's nuclear arsenal without +evaluating the truthfullness of his revelations. Now if he said +the truth, then why should he been punished, and if he lied, why +should he be punished? I would appreciate more honesty. + +Somebody provided an answer to the fourth question, concerning +'hidden prisoners' in Israeli prisons. He posted an article from +Ma'ariv documenting such cases. It seems that such prisoners do +exist in Israel. What do you think about that ? + +You imply that my questions show bias and are formulated in such a +way to 'cast aspersions upon Israel'. Such terms have often been +used by the Soviet Union against dissidents: They call the Soviet +Union into disrepute. If my questions are not disturbing, they +would not call forth such hysterical answers. My questions are +clearly provocative but they are meant to seek facts. I would be +very happy if you could convince me that what I am told about +Israel were just fabrications, but alas you have failed to do so. +I suspect that you fear the truth and an open and honest +discussion. This is a sign of weakness, not of strength. + +I hope you will muster the courage to seek the full truth. + +";15;True +"From: mikgr@wpsun4.UUCP (Michael Grant) +Subject: Re: COMMENTS ==> VIDEO BLASTER (Creative Labs) +Organization: WordPerfect Corporation, Orem UT +Lines: 42 + +In article <1993Apr14.062219.11573@ultb.isc.rit.edu>, mej0381@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes: +> >In <115080@bu.edu> heiser@acs2.bu.edu (Bill Heiser) writes: +> > +> >>In article randy@chinet.chi.il.us (Randy Suess) w +> >rites: +> >>>>The video blaster doesn't work with the ATI GRaphics Ultra Pro, doesn't work +> >>>>with >15M system RAM. +> > +> >>Are you serious? So I can't use a Video Blaster in my 16mb 486/33? +> >>What are the alternatives (other than removing memory?) +> > +> >Get a better one. Hows about the Win/TV thing? +> >-- +> >The Wailer at the Gates of Dawn | banshee@cats.UCSC.EDU | +> >Just who ARE you calling a FROOFROO Head? | | +> >oD#0667 ""Just a friend of the beast."" | banshee@ucscb.UCSC.EDU | +> >2,3,5,7,13,17,19,31,61,89,107,127,521,607....| banshee@ucscb.BITNET | +> +> No good. I perfer WatchIT TV. It can run in DOS and Windows. Win/Tv only run in +> windows. Sorry.... +> +> -- +Still no good. WatchIT TV will not work on a with local bus video. +It will not work in any high reolution modes either. The people who +make the card assure me that they will have a card available in June +that supports both local-bus and hi-res. BTW does anyone know the +name of the company who makes watchit tv? Phone #? BBS? Internet? + +Thanks + +Michael Grant +(mikgr@wordperfect.com) or +(mikgr@wpsun4.uunet.uu.net) + + + + + + + + + +";5;True +"From: jaa12@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (John A Absood) +Subject: Re: Hamza Salah, the Humanist +Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixa.cc.columbia.edu +Reply-To: jaa12@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (John A Absood) +Organization: Columbia University +Lines: 13 + +Are you people sure his posts are being forwarded to his system operator??? +Who is forwarding them??? + +Is there a similar file being kept on Mr. Omran??? + +Salam, + +John Absood + +""Marlow ceased, and sat apart, indistinct and silent, in the pose of a + meditating Buddha. Nobody moved for a time...The offing was barred by + a black bank of clouds, and the tranquil waterway leading to the utter- + most ends of the earth flowed sombre under an overcast sky - seemed to +";15;True +"From: roger@crux.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig) +Subject: Re: Mike Francesa's 1993 Predictions +Originator: news@nimaster +Nntp-Posting-Host: crux.princeton.edu +Reply-To: roger@astro.princeton.edu (Roger Lustig) +Organization: Princeton University +Lines: 24 + +In article <1993Apr5.123904.17806@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> dick1@herahera.cc.bellcore.com (vaughn,richard) writes: +>In article <1993Apr2.171819.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu>, pjtier01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes: +>> In article <1993Apr2.133703.28131@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>, dick1@herahera.cc.bellcore.com (vaughn,richard) writes: + +>>> Mike Francesa mentioned his '93 baseball picks in +>>> passing on the radio yesterday. Being that this is Francesa +>>> talkin', the opinions are well worth consideration. + +>> Indeed! After all, he was the wizard foresaw the Year of the Big East in the +>> NCAA Tournament! Unfortunatly, none of those teams made it into the Sweet +>> Sixteen, much less New Orleans. + +Neither did he! + +>Overall Mike Francesa has an *outstanding* prediction record. + +Overall? How do you figure? + +>Ignore him at your own peril. + +So far my radio hasn't exploded from not being tuned to 660... + + +Roger +";14;True +"From: tak@leland.Stanford.EDU (David William Budd) +Subject: Re: Rodney King Trial, Civil Rights Violations, Double Jeopardy +Distribution: us +Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA +Lines: 53 + +In article mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson) writes: +>In <1993Apr2.182942.22445@husc3.harvard.edu> spanagel@husc11.harvard.edu (David Spanagel) writes: +> + + +>|Furthermore, what are the specific charges against the four LAPD officers? +>|Which civil rights or laws are they accused of violating? +> +>I believe it is a general charge, that is no specific right is mentioned. + + +I don't think that this is accurate. I believe, and could be wrong, that +there IS a specific right allegedly to have been violated, like the +14th or due process or whatever. + +>|What about double jeopardy? Has there been any concern that a verdict +>|against Koon, et al. might be overturned upon appeal because they're being tried +>|again for the same actions? (I thought I heard something on the news about +>|this.) +> +>The SS has previously ruled that since the seperate governments were in +>essence seperate sovereigns, then double jeopardy does not apply. +> +>(If this is true, then could defendents also be tried under city and +>county governments?) +> +>This mornings paper said that the ACLU has decided to reinstate its +>opposition to this kind of thing. They had earlier suspended their +>opposition while they examined the King case. There might be hope +>for the ACLU after all. +>-- + +Double jeopardy does not apply, but not for the reasons you quote. Double +jeopardy states that a person may not be tried twice on the same charge. +However, the police are not on trial for the crime of excessive force +or assault. They are NOW on trial for the DIFFERENT crime of violating +Mr. King's civil rights. + +AS for the city and county or state trying you more than once, +it most likely will not happen. This is because cities and states +have separate laws governing behaviour. For example, in some states, +it is an offence to carry marijuana, but not a city offence. Also, +I think murder is against federal, but not some state laws. + +=============================================================================== + ! \ + ! 1-------1 + ! \ 1_______1 __1__ ""And my mind was filled with wonder, + ! \ 1_______1 / ____1____ when the evening headlines read: + ! ! \ / / 1__|_|__1 'Richard Cory went home last night, + ! ! \/ / --------- and put a bullet through his head.'"" + ! / \/ | | \ \ + | / \____/| +";18;True +"From: dil8596@ritvax.isc.rit.edu +Subject: Re: Stop putting down white het males. +Nntp-Posting-Host: vaxb.isc.rit.edu +Reply-To: dil8596@ritvax.isc.rit.edu +Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology +Lines: 33 + +it may be a little late to reply to your tirade and also on an inaapropriate +board but along with all of the so called great things the white male has done they have also contributed to society by means of mass genocide, the theft of +ideas and cultures, creating and the perptration of historical lies throughouttime among many other horrible activities. +but every culture has its upside and its downside. it seems to me that the +white male (must be extremely ignorant to qualify for the following - if +you're not disregard) and western culture are the only things that look to +actively classify things as good or bad, worthy or unworthy (ya dig) +it can be seen with slavery and the manipulation and destruction of the +american indians civilization. nothing but selfish acts that benefit one +group of people (and not even their women get or got respected or regarded as +equal - ain't that some stuff) + +white men - not being specific - but in a lot of cases are just wack or have +wack conceptions of how the world is to serve their purpose. + +just look at david koresh - throughout history (i may be shortsighted on this one so excuse my predjudiced ignorance) only white men associate themselves withbeing GOD. no other culture is ignorant or arrogant enough to assume such a +position. and then to manipulate and mislead all those people. + +hmmm... i'd say look in your history books but since it seems that history +has been written to glorify the exploits of white men you'd only find lies. + +awww that's enough already from me because this has nothing to do with sex or this board. if ya'd like to continue this discussion e-mail me and we can +compare and contrast ideas + + i like conflict - it's educational when the + communcation is good...................... + +my $.02 worth + +(i apologize to those who thought this was going to be about SEX but i was +prompted by a response i found up here) + +dave lewis - frisky HANDS man +";18;True +"From: em@hprpcd.rose.hp.com (Electronic Maintenance) +Subject: INCREDIBLE NEW B.B.S. +Organization: Hewlett Packard Roseville Site +Lines: 39 +NNTP-Posting-Host: hprpcd.rose.hp.com +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.3 PL7] + + +WOW !!!! +Did I discover a great BBS !! +It's called Sovereignty Lies In The People +BBS: 916-589-4620 14.4 k baud. FREE and Confidential +! Fictitious names OK ! Subjects and files contained on the BBS: + +* FIND OUT HOW THE GOVERNMENT HAS BEEN SCAMMING US !!!! +* State Citizenship documents and issues. + ARE YOU A CALIFORNIA REPUBLIC CITIZEN OR A U.S. FEDERAL CITIZEN ? + Remember there were only State Citizens before the 14th amendment!! + One is subject to federal income tax, one isn't. + Did you volunteer to surrender your State Citizenship when you got + your Social Security number? Which one are you? +* Tax laws and issues. BEAT THE IRS +* Traffic laws and issues. BEAT TRAFFIC TICKETS. Can you answer this one: + What law allows a police officer to arrest you without a warrant when + he issues you a ticket? +* Religious truth issues. ARE ALL RELIGIONS SCAMS ???? + ARE ALL CHRISTIAN RELIGIONS OF THE GREAT CREATOR GOD ???? +* Trust documents and issues. + +The SYSOP told me that instructions to beat traffic +tickets will be on the BBS shortly. Beat traffic +tickets without going to court!!! The BBS is GREAT, spread the word !!!! +Also: How come I don't hear more people talking about the +Federal Reserve Bank? Just ask yourself these questions: + +1) Why would anyone borrow money from themselves at interest? +The Federal government does * NOT * * NOT * +The Federal reserve Bank is private. The American people are +being ripped off royally. 100% of the income tax goes to pay +on the Federal debt to the Federal Reserve Bankers. Not one +dime goes for services. Services like the military and +welfare come from excise taxes and the like. + +2) Why do we the American people stand for this????? + +** Check Out The New BBS ** +";18;True +"From: mstern@lindsay.Princeton.EDU (Marlene J. Stern) +Subject: Recurrent Respiratory Papillomatosis +Originator: news@nimaster +Nntp-Posting-Host: lindsay.princeton.edu +Organization: Princeton University +Distribution: nj +Lines: 43 + + +We will be holding a bake and craft sale at Communiversity in Princeton on +Nassau Street, Saturday April 24th 12-4 p.m. to benefit the Recurrent +Respiratory Papillomatosis Foundation, a nonprofit foundation established to +encourage research toward a cure for Recurrent Respiratory Papillomatosis. Our +three year old daughter suffers from this disease. Below is a press release +that appeared in local newspapers. Hope you can join us. + + +On Saturday, April 24 as part of Communiversity in Princeton, a local family +will be having a bake and craft sale to raise money for and create public +awareness about a rare disease called Recurrent Respiratory Papillomatosis. + +Bill and Marlene Stern's daughter Lindsay is afflicted with this disease +characterized by tumors attacking the inside of the larynx, vocal cords and +trachea. Caused by a virus, the tumors grow, block the air passages and would +lead to death from suffocation without continual surgery to remove the growths. +Three year old Lindsay has undergone 11 operations thus far since her diagnosis +last year and faces the prospect of over a hundred operations throughout her +lifetime. + +Even though the disease is hardly a household word, it has affected the lives +of enough people to inspire the formation of the Recurrent Respiratory +Papillomatosis Foundation, a non-profit foundation whose goals are to provide +support for patients and families by networking patients and publishing a +newsletter, enhance awareness of RRP at the local and national level, and aid +in the prevention, cure, and treatment. + +Since medical researchers know that the virus causing the disease is similar to +those viruses causing warts, they feel a cure would be within reach if money +were available for research. Because RRP is rare, it not only gets scant +attention but also paltry funds to search for a cure. Part of the RRP +Foundation's mission is to change that. + +Anyone interested in contributing items to the bake and craft sale, please call +Marlene or Bill at 609-890-0502. Monetary donations can be made at the +Foundation's booth during Communiversity, April 24th, 12 to 4 p.m., in downtown +Princeton, or sent directly to: + + The Recurrent Respiratory Foundation + 50 Wesleyan Drive + Hamilton Sq., NJ 08690. +Thanks mstern@lindsay.princeton.edu +";4;True +"From: jrbeach@iastate.edu (Jeffry R Beach) +Subject: Re: Good Neighbor Political Hypocrisy Test +Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA +Lines: 25 + +In article steveth@netcom.com (Steve Thomas) writes: +> Boy, it looks like the WOD is WORKING REALLY GOOD to stop people from +> being screwed up in the head, given that example! +> +>(Issue: your friend _got_ his drugs--legal or not legal, he'll continue to +>get them. Issue #2: why should _I_, as somebody who does NOT use illegal +>drugs and who IS NOT ""screwed up"" have to PAY for this idiot's problems? He's +>not doing anybody any harm except himself. The WOD, on the other hand, is an +>immediate THREAT to MY life and livelyhood. Tell me why I should sacrafice +>THIS to THAT!). + +Hello, is there anybody in there? You think you have to pay for this idiot's +problem now, who's going to pay for the ballooning number of addicts and +all of the associated problems with them. I don't even want to think about +it with Hillary in the White House and an administration that ""feels our +pain"". + +No harm but to himself? What about when he drives his school bus full +of kids into a train. When he gets stoned and drives up on a sidewalk +and kills 5 people. When he lives off me on Welfare for the rest of his +life. + +The problem with the WOD is that it has no bite. Sending the slimy +bastards to the chair for selling drugs to kids, now there's some bit. + +";18;True +"From: dewinter@prl.philips.nl (Rob de Winter) +Subject: WANTED: Symantec address +Originator: dewinter@prl.philips.nl +Organization: Philips Research Laboratories, Eindhoven, The Netherlands +Lines: 5 + +-- +*** Nothing beats skiing, if you want to have real fun during holidays. *** +*** Rob de Winter Philips Research, IST/IT, Building WL-1 *** +*** P.O. Box 80000, 5600 JA Eindhoven. The Netherlands *** +*** Tel: +31 40 743621 E-mail: dewinter@prl.philips.nl *** +";6;True +"From: cscon101@uoft02.utoledo.edu +Subject: 1-800-832-4778 Western Digital NO REPLY +Organization: University of Toledo, Computer Services +Lines: 3 + +1-800-832-4778 Western Digital's Voice Mail - +Can get information on many drives, or an +actual person at the end. +";5;True +"From: kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) +Subject: Re: Where are they now? +Organization: Case Western Reserve University +Lines: 34 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: b64635.student.cwru.edu + +In article <1ql0d3$5vo@dr-pepper.East.Sun.COM> geoff@East.Sun.COM (Geoff Arnold @ Sun BOS - R.H. coast near the top) writes: + +>Your posting provoked me into checking my save file for memorable +>posts. The first I captured was by Ken Arromdee on 19 Feb 1990, on the +>subject ""Re: atheist too?"". That was article #473 here; your question +>was article #53766, which is an average of about 48 articles a day for +>the last three years. As others have noted, the current posting rate is +>such that my kill file is depressing large...... Among the posting I +>saved in the early days were articles from the following notables: + + Hey, it might to interesting to read some of these posts... +Especially from ones who still regularly posts on alt.atheism! + + +>>From: loren@sunlight.llnl.gov (Loren Petrich) +>>From: jchrist@nazareth.israel.rel (Jesus Christ of Nazareth) +>>From: mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU (Mark Crispin) +>>From: perry@apollo.HP.COM (Jim Perry) +>>From: lippard@uavax0.ccit.arizona.edu (James J. Lippard) +>>From: minsky@media.mit.edu (Marvin Minsky) +> +>An interesting bunch.... I wonder where #2 is? + + Hee hee hee. + + *I* ain't going to say.... + +--- + + "" Whatever promises that have been made can than be broken. "" + + John Laws, a man without the honor to keep his given word. + + +";9;True +"From: bmdelane@quads.uchicago.edu (brian manning delaney) +Subject: Re: diet for Crohn's (IBD) +Reply-To: bmdelane@midway.uchicago.edu +Organization: University of Chicago +Lines: 27 + +One thing that I haven't seen in this thread is a discussion of the +relation between IBD inflammation and the profile of ingested fatty +acids (FAs). + +I was diagnosed last May w/Crohn's of the terminal ileum. When I got +out of the hospital I read up on it a bit, and came across several +studies investigating the role of EPA (an essentially FA) in reducing +inflammation. The evidence was mixed. [Many of these studies are +discussed in ""Inflammatory Bowel Disease,"" MacDermott, Stenson. 1992.] + +But if I recall correctly, there were some methodological bones to be +picked with the studies (both the ones w/pos. and w/neg. results). In +the studies patients were given EPA (a few grams/day for most of the +studies), but, if I recall correctly, there was no restriction of the +_other_ FAs that the patients could consume. From the informed +layperson's perspective, this seems mistaken. If lots of n-6 FAs are +consumed along with the EPA, then the ratio of ""bad"" prostanoid +products to ""good"" prostanoid products could still be fairly ""bad."" +Isn't this ratio the issue? + +What's the view of the gastro. community on EPA these days? EPA +supplements, along with a fairly severe restriction of other FAs +appear to have helped me significantly (though it could just be the +low absolute amount of fat I eat -- 8-10% calories). + +-Brian + +";4;True +"From: paulb@harley.tti.com (Paul Blumstein) +Subject: The best of times, the worst of times +Nntp-Posting-Host: harley.tti.com +Organization: Black Belt Motorcyclists Association +Lines: 26 + +(note: this is not about the L.A. or NY Times) + +A few times a year, a funny thing happens: the bike engine runs +perfectly. Completely smooth. Not that it runs poorly normally, but +on these days, it is exceptional. My theory is that the air density +and moisture content of the air are such that I get complete +combustion. Needless to say, it puts me in a great mood. + +The mood lasted for about 20 miles. Heading north on the 405 +freeway, about a mile or two south of the 10, my throttle stopped +responding.... and I was between lanes. Nothing to do but make +my way over 4 lanes to the shoulder... initially by gliding, then +by pushing. At least traffic was heavy enough so that cars did +not mind stopping for me. + +Turned out to be a screw unscrewed inside my Mikuni HS40 +carb. I keep hearing that one should keep all of the screws +tight on a bike, but I never thought that I had to do that +on the screws inside of a carb. At least it was roadside +fixable and I was on my way in hardly any time. +____________________________________________________________________________ + Death is life's way of telling you you've been fired -- R. Geis +---------------------------------------------------------------------------- + Paul Blumstein, paulb@harley.tti.com, DoD #36, ABATE, AMA, HOG, doh #2 + KD6LAA, MARC, ARRL, Platypus #240, QRP-ARPCI, NASWA, LWCA, RCMA (CALA905) + Transaction Technology, Inc., Santa Monica, CA +";7;True +"From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) +Subject: Re: japanese moon landing? +Organization: U of Toronto Zoology +Lines: 14 + +In article dannyb@panix.com (Daniel Burstein) writes: +>A short story in the newspaper a few days ago made some sort of mention +>about how the Japanese, using what sounded like a gravity assist, had just +>managed to crash (or crash-land) a package on the moon. + +Their Hiten engineering-test mission spent a while in a highly eccentric +Earth orbit doing lunar flybys, and then was inserted into lunar orbit +using some very tricky gravity-assist-like maneuvering. This meant that +it would crash on the Moon eventually, since there is no such thing as +a stable lunar orbit (as far as anyone knows), and I believe I recall +hearing recently that it was about to happen. +-- +All work is one man's work. | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology + - Kipling | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry +";2;True +"From: muddmj@wkuvx1.bitnet +Subject: Re: The doctrine of Original Sin +Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY +Lines: 27 + +> But, haven't ""all sinned, and come short of the glory +> of God"" (Romans 3:23)? +> Those that cite this scripture to claim that even +> babes require baptism neglect that ""sin is not imputed +> when there is no law"" (Romans 5:13). +> +> Therefore, until someone is capable of comprehending +> God's laws they are not accountable for living them. +> They are in the book of life and are not removed until +> they can make a conscious decision to disobey God. +> +> A IDLER + +If babies are not supposed to be baptised then why doesn't the Bible +ever say so. It never comes right and says ""Only people that know +right from wrong or who are taught can be baptised."" + What Christ did say was : + + ""I solemly assure you, NO ONE can enter God's kingdom without + being born of water and Spirit ... Do not be surprised that I + tell you you must ALL be begotten from above."" + +Could this be because everyone is born with original sin? + + + +Mike +";17;True +"From: wende@spk.hp.com (Mike Wende) +Subject: Re: Zeos Computers +Organization: Hewlett-Packard +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6] +Lines: 19 + +I have had a Zeos for a couple months. While the experience was not +painless or perfect, it was way better than that endured by most (7 +people I personally know) who have ordered Gateways. (Of course, +several of the Gateway buyers were rewarded by getting free stuff as +Gateway can't seem to keep track of what it has or hasn't sent +out...B{) + +I got the 1 MB Viper card. The first one was defective, but Zeos +replaced it with only minor hassles. This one works fine. I haven't +noticed any problems in any of my applications. I also ordered it +because of all the complaints about the ATI a few months ago. Guess +you can choose either buggy state-of-the-art stuff, or robust average +stuff.... + +For my particular configuration (tower, 300 watt supply, pkg#3, no +monitor, viper, etc.) the Zeos was slightly cheaper than Gateway, +Austin, etc. But this can change from month to month. + +Mike +";5;True +"From: paul@hsh.com (Paul Havemann) +Subject: Re: Clinton's immunization program +Distribution: usa +Organization: HSH Associates +Lines: 47 + +In article , mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson) writes: +> On the news last night Clinton was bashing the republicans for stonewalling +> his so called stimulus package. +> It seems that one small item within this package was going to pay for free +> immunizations for poor kids. +> So now Clinton is claiming that the republicans are holding the health of +> poor kids hostage for blatantly political gains. +> +> Aside from the merits (or lack thereof) of another free immunization program, +> just what is such a program doing in a bill that is supposedly about +> creating jobs. + +Jobs? What the hell have jobs to do with it? It's another touchy-feely +program from the new, vapid administration. The fact is, the major claim +made for ""universal"" immunization -- that ""all children will be immunized"" -- +has absolutely no validity. Several states already have U.I. programs, have +had these programs for _years_. The result: on average, their success rates +are no better than the national average. It seems that the gummint hasn't +yet figured out a way to MAKE parents bring their kids in. Yet another case +of shameless demagoguery from the ""new"" Democrats, the ""agents of change."" + +> If Clinton is so hot to get this immunization program, why doesn't he and +> the democrats just introduce it as a stand alone bill. Isn't it possible +> that Clinton is the one doing the blatant political (read pork) manipulations +> here. He is telling the republicans, pass my muti-billion dollar package, +> or I will go to the people and tell them that you are opposed to +> immunizing poor kids. + +What? Clinton using this issue for _partisan gain_? Do tell. + +> I have never thought highly of Clinton, but stunts like this lower my +> opinion of him even further. +> +> I thought one of Clinton's campaign themes was that he was going to be +> a new kind of politician. This kind of manuevering would have made LBJ +> proud. + +All together now... c'mon, you know the words... ""Meet the new boss! Same as +the old boss!"" And the chorus: ""We won't get fooled again!"" + +------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ + +Paul Havemann (Internet: paul@hsh.com) + + * They're not just opinions -- they're caffeine for the brain! * + ** (Up to 50 milligrams per cynical observation.) ** + Recommended Minimum Daily Requirement: 1,000 mg. Keep reading. +";18;True +"From: edm@twisto.compaq.com (Ed McCreary) +Subject: Re: Federal Hearing +In-Reply-To: dmcgee@uluhe.soest.hawaii.edu's message of Fri, 16 Apr 1993 04: 21:09 GMT +Organization: Compaq Computer Corp +Distribution: usa +Lines: 19 + +>>>>> On Fri, 16 Apr 1993 04:21:09 GMT, dmcgee@uluhe.soest.hawaii.edu (Don McGee) said: +DM> Fact or rumor....? Madalyn Murray O'Hare an atheist who eliminated the +DM> use of the bible reading and prayer in public schools 15 years ago is now +DM> going to appear before the FCC with a petition to stop the reading of the +DM> Gospel on the airways of America. And she is also campaigning to remove +DM> Christmas programs, songs, etc from the public schools. If it is true +DM> then mail to Federal Communications Commission 1919 H Street Washington DC +DM> 20054 expressing your opposition to her request. Reference Petition number + +DM> 2493. + +False. This story has been going around for years. There's not a drop of +truth. Note that I don't care for O'Hare (O'Hair?) myself, but this +is one thing she's not guilty of. + +-- +Ed McCreary ,__o +edm@twisto.compaq.com _-\_<, +""If it were not for laughter, there would be no Tao."" (*)/'(*) +";19;True +"From: jkellett@netcom.com (Joe Kellett) +Subject: Re: sex education +Organization: Netcom +Lines: 45 + +In article jviv@usmi01.midland.chevron.com (John Viveiros) writes: +>It seems I spend a significant amount of my time correcting errors about +>the reliability tests for condoms and abstinence. A few years ago I saw +>that famous study that showed a ""10% failure rate"" for condoms. The +>same study showed a 20% failure rate for abstinence!! That is, adult +>couples who relied on abstinence to prevent pregnancy got pregnant in +>alarming numbers--they didn't have the willpower to abstain. And we're +>thinking that this will work with high school kids?!? + +I am told that Planned Parenthood/SIECUS-style ""values-free"" methods, that +teach contraceptive technology and advise kids how to make ""choices"", +actually _increase_ pregnancy rates. I posted a long article on this a while +back and will be happy to email a copy to any who are interested. The +article included sources to contact for information on research verifying +these statements, and an outstanding source for info on acquiring +abstinence-related curricula even in single-copy quantities for home use. + +The same research produced the results that abstinence-related curricula +were found to _decrease_ pregnancy rates in teens. I assume that it is +reasonable to assume that the AIDS rate will fluctuate with the pregnancy +rate. + +The difference is not in ""contraceptive technology"" but in the values taught +to the children. The PP/SIECUS curricula taught the kids that they have +legitimate choices, while the abstinence related curricula taught them that +they did _not_ have _legitimate_ choices other than abstinence. It is the +values system that is the strongest determinent of the behavior behavior of +these kids. + +Despite the better track record of abstinence-related curricula, they are +suppressed in favor of curricula that produce an effect contrary to that +desired. + +Question for further discussion (as they say in the textbooks): Why don't +we teach ""safe drug use"" to kids, instead of drug abstinence? Isn't it +because we know that a class in ""how to use drugs safely if you _choose_ to +use drugs"" would increase drug use? Why isn't ""drug abstinence education"" +barred from schools because it teaches ""religion""? Aren't we abandoning +those children who will use drugs anyway, and need instruction in their safe +use? + + +-- +Joe Kellett +jkellett@netcom.com +";17;True +"From: jonathan@rahul.net (Jonathan Heiliger) +Subject: Re: Non-Apple Mini-Docks available? +Nntp-Posting-Host: bolero +Reply-To: jonathan@mecca.epri.com +Organization: Electric Power Research Institute +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] +Lines: 13 + +A A DeGuzman (deguzman@after.math.uiuc.edu) wrote: +> My boss is considering the purchase of a Powerbook or Duo. He is leaning +> towards a 180, because of the math coprocessor (for Mathematica), but would +> get a Duo if he could find a Mini-Dock with a coprocessor. Have any +> third-parties announced such a beast? + + I believe that E-Machines might produce something of this nature. + +-- +Jonathan Heiliger .... Electric Power Research Institute +M/M & Visualization Integrator ....... 3412 Hillview Ave. +Internet: jonathan@mecca.epri.com ........ Palo Alto, CA +Telephone <*> [415].855.2888 ..................... 94303 +";0;True +"From: nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu +Subject: Re: Jemison on Star Trek (Better Ideas) +Article-I.D.: aurora.1993Apr25.154449.1 +Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks +Lines: 31 +Nntp-Posting-Host: acad3.alaska.edu + +In article <1rbp6q$oai@access.digex.net>, prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes: +> In article <1993Apr22.214735.22733@Princeton.EDU> phoenix.Princeton.EDU!carlosn (Carlos G. Niederstrasser) writes: +>>A transporter operator!?!? That better be one important transport. Usually +>>it is a nameless ensign who does the job. For such a guest appearance I would +>>have expected a more visible/meaningful role. +> +> +> Christian Slater, only gota cameo on ST6, +> +> and besides. +> +> Maybe she can't act:-) +> +> pat +> + +Better idea for use of NASA Shuttle Astronauts and Crew is have them be found +lost in space after a accident with a worm hole or other space/time glitch.. + +Maybe age Jemison a few years (makeup and such) and have her as the only +survivour of a failed shuttle mission that got lost.. + +Heh of late, they way they have been having shuttle problems in the media, +anything can happen.. + +Imagine a Astronaut/Crew member to find themselves in the 24th Century as the +object of interest of an alien civilization, maybe rescued or helped by the ST +Enterprise... I know Vegr and such was okay, but this could be better.. + +== +Michael Adams, nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu -- I'm not high, just jacked +";2;True +"From: pfuetz@igd.fhg.de (Matthias Pfuetzner) +Subject: Re: Available memory to the Xserver. How to get the actual size? +Reply-To: pfuetz@igd.fhg.de (Matthias Pfuetzner) +Organization: Zentrum fuer Graphische Datenverarbeitung, Darmstadt, FRG +Lines: 78 + +Hello! + +In article <1993Apr17.144246.29806@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu>, +mouse@mcrcim.mcgill.edu (der Mouse) writes: +>In article <1965@igd.fhg.de>, pfuetz@igd.fhg.de (Matthias Pfuetzner) writes: +> +>> Is there a possibility to determine via X protocol calls the size of +>> free memory available to the Xserver? +> +>No. Even if you could, the answer could be out of date even before you +>get it (even if you grab the server, it could be taken up by buffering +>user actions). You should just try to do whatever you want; a BadAlloc +>error is your indication that insufficient server memory is available. +> +> der Mouse + +This isn't of much help! Especially when doing Phigs (PEX) via the libphigs as +supplied by MIT, I have much trouble together with PEX-terminals that don't +have enough memory! + +Performing the following: + + visual.visualid = CopyFromParent; + + bg_pix = WhitePixel( grafik_display, DefaultScreen( grafik_display ) ); + + xswa.backing_store = NotUseful; + xswa.event_mask = ExposureMask | StructureNotifyMask; + xswa.background_pixel = bg_pix; + + graphic_window = + XCreateWindow( graphic_display, + RootWindow( graphic_display, + DefaultScreen( graphic_display ) ), + 0, + 0, + DisplayWidth(graphic_display, + DefaultScreen( graphic_display ) ), + DisplayHeight(graphic_display, + DefaultScreen( graphic_display ) ), + (unsigned int)0, + 8, + InputOutput, + &visual, + CWEventMask | CWBackingStore | CWBackPixel, + &xswa ); + XMapWindow( graphic_display, graphic_window ); + + /** sync and wait for exposure event **/ + XSync( graphic_display, False ); + XWindowEvent( graphic_display, graphic_window, ExposureMask, &exposureEvent ); + + conn.display = graphic_display; + conn.drawable_id = graphic_window; + + xinfo.display = graphic_display; + xinfo.flags.no_monitor = 0; /* False -> Monitor is running! */ + xinfo.flags.force_client_SS = 0; /* False! */ + + popen_xphigs( NULL, 0, PXPHIGS_INFO_FLAGS_NO_MON | + PXPHIGS_INFO_FLAGS_CLIENT_SS | + PXPHIGS_INFO_DISPLAY, &xinfo ); + + popen_ws( 1, (Pconnid)(&conn), phigs_ws_type_x_drawable ); + +I get core dumps in the popen_ws call! (No BadAlloc, etc.! Simply a core +dump!) So I need some way of getting info about the maximal available memory +to the Xserver! + +But thanks! + +Sincerly, + Matthias +-- + Matthias Pfuetzner | @work: +49 6151 155-150 | @home: +49 6151 75717 + 6100 Darmstadt, FRG | ZGDV, Wilhelminenstrasse 7 | Lichtenbergstrasse 73 + pfuetzner@igd.fhg.de, pfuetzner@zgdvda.UUCP | Keith Packard said: + R5 is different from R4. That's why we changed the release number :-) +";12;True +"From: pgf5@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Peter Garfiel Freeman) +Subject: Hamas methods of Murder +Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixa.cc.columbia.edu +Organization: Columbia University +Lines: 9 + + + +If anyone gets the New York Times, the Edit page has a transcript +of a VHS from Hams describing their methods of torture and +execution. I will post it later on. + + + + +";15;True +"From: uphrrmk@gemini.oscs.montana.edu (Jack Coyote) +Subject: Re: RFD: misc.taoism +Reply-To: uphrrmk@gemini.oscs.montana.edu (Jack Coyote) +Organization: Never Had It, Never Will +Lines: 8 + +Sunlight shining off of the ocean. + + +-- +Aleph null bottles of beer on the wall, Aleph null bottles of beer! +Take one down, pass it around ... Aleph null bottles of beer on the wall! + + +";19;True +"From: cbrooks@ms.uky.edu (Clayton Brooks) +Subject: Re: V-max handling request +Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences +Lines: 13 + +bradw@Newbridge.COM (Brad Warkentin) writes: + +>............. Seriously, handling is probably as good as the big standards +>of the early 80's but not compareable to whats state of the art these days. + +I think you have to go a little further back. +This opinion comes from riding CB750's GS1000's KZ1300's and a V-Max. +I find no enjoyment in riding a V-Max fast on a twisty road. +-- + Clayton T. Brooks _,,-^`--. From the heart cbrooks@ms.uky.edu + 722 POT U o'Ky .__,-' * \ of the blue cbrooks@ukma.bitnet + Lex. KY 40506 _/ ,/ grass and {rutgers,uunet}!ukma!cbrooks + 606-257-6807 (__,-----------'' bourbon country AMA NMA MAA AMS ACBL DoD +";7;True +"From: mjones@fenway.aix.kingston.ibm.com (Mike Jones) +Subject: Two stooges +Reply-To: mjones@donald.aix.kingston.ibm.com +Organization: IBM AIX/ESA Development, Kingston NY +Lines: 9 + +Well, the Red Sox have apparenly resigned Herm Winningham to a AAA contract. +Ted ""Larry"" Simmons signed him to a AAA contract then released him from +Buffalo, allowing Lou ""Curly"" Gorman to circumvent the rule about not +resigning free agents until May 1. Clearly, neither of these guys is bright +enough to be Moe. + + Mike Jones | AIX High-End Development | mjones@donald.aix.kingston.ibm.com + +Make it right before you make it faster. +";14;True +"From: baez@guitar.ucr.edu (john baez) +Subject: End of the Space Age +Article-I.D.: galaxy.29034 +Organization: University of California, Riverside +Lines: 82 +Nntp-Posting-Host: guitar.ucr.edu + +There is an interesting opinion piece in the business section of today's +LA Times (Thursday April 15, 1993, p. D1). I thought I'd post it to +stir up some flame wars - I mean reasoned debate. Let me preface it by +saying that I largely agree that the ""Space Age"" in the romantic sense +of several decades ago is over, and that projects like the space station +miss the point at this time. Reading, for example, ""What's New"" - +the weekly physics update we get here on the net - it's clear that the +romance of the day lies in the ever more fine-grained manipulation of +matter: by which I include biotechnology, condensed matter physics (with +its spinoffs in computer hardware and elsewhere), and the amazing things +people are doing with individual atoms these days. To a large extent, I +think, the romance some people still have with space is a matter of +nostalgia. I feel sure that someday we - or more precisely, our ""mind +children"" - will spread across space (unless we wipe ourselves out); but +I think that *manned* space exploration is not what is exciting about +what we can do *now*. + +Anyway, let me quote some of this article, but not all... + + +SPACE AGE GLORY FADES FROM VIEW + +Micheal Schrage (writer, consultant, and research associate at MIT) + +At 35, America's Space Age won't have to suffer through the angst of a +midlife crisis. + +The reason is that the Space Age is already dead. The technologies no +longer define our times, and the public has grown weary of the multibillion +-dollar celestial investments that yield minimal psychic or economic +rewards. + +Space exploration has mutated from a central focuse of America's science +and technology debate into a peripheral issue. Speace is not a +meaningful part of the ongoing industrial competitiveness debate, our +technology infrastructure discussions or even our defense conversion +policy. + +To be sure, America should continue to invest in satellite technologies +for telecommunications and remote sensing - cheap deep-space probes +would be nice too - but the ideal of space as a meaningful driver of +scientific and industrial innovation is now dead. + +..... + +Before the change in administrations, it would have been foolish to +write an obituary for the Space Age. The Bush White House aggressively +supported the space program and proposed spending well over $30 billion +to build space station Freedom alone. + +Even as he proposed budget cuts in other science and technology domains, +Office of Management and Budget Director Richard Darman was an outspoken +public champion of big-ticket space expenditures. The reality that much +of the civilian space program - from the shuttle to the Hubble telescope +to the space station - was poorly conceived and unimpressively +implemented did not seem to matter much. + +Political inertia and a nostalgic sense of futurism - not a coherent +vision or cost-effective sensibilities - determined multibillion-dollar +space budgets. + +Indeed, with few notable exceptions, such as Voyager, the post-Apollo +era is the story of the gold-plated porkification of space exploration +with programs and promises that delivered less for more and more. + +...... + +While the Clinton Administration has kept on the highly regarded Daniel +Goldin as administrator of the National Aeronautics and Space +Administration, it seems clear that space exploration is not being +positioned as either a symbolic or substantive centerpiece of America's +technological prowess. The space station budget has - rightly - been +slashed. Space is virtually ignored when the Administration champions +its competitiveness agenda. + +...... + +""I wish this had happened 10 years ago instead of starting to happen +now,"" says Bruce Murray, a Caltech professor who ran NASA's Jet +Propulsion Lab in Pasadena. ""We've put off a lot of things we shouldn't +have.... I would rather see a $10-billion NASA doing well than a +$40-billion one filled with white elephants."" +";2;True +"From: db7n+@andrew.cmu.edu (D. Andrew Byler) +Subject: Re: What WAS the immaculate conception +Organization: Freshman, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA +Lines: 48 + +Biblical basis for the Immaculate Conception: + +1) ""I will put enmity between you [the Serpent] and the woman, and +between your seed and her seed, she [can also be read he] shall crush +your head and you shall bruise her [or his] heel."" + -Genesis 3.15 + +2) ""He who commits sin is of the devil ..."" + -1 John 3.8 + +3) ""Hail, full of grace [greek - kecharitomene], the Lord is with thee ..."" + -Luke 1.28 + + From the above, we prove the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception. + First, God has given the proto-evangel in Genesis 3.15, which is the +first promise of a savior, who will redeem mankind from the wiles of +Satan. ""[Satan] was a murderer from the beginning, and has not stood in +the truth because there is no truth in him."" John 8.44. Now the +proto-evangel promises several things, enmity between Satan and ""the +woman"", and enmity between Satan and ""her seed."" Now the woman is both +Eve (who is the immediate point of reference) and Mary, the second Eve. +""Her seed"" is Jesus Christ, and He is also at enmity with Satan in the +same way as Mary is said to be at enmity with Satan. Thus, knowing as +we do that Jesus Christ is sinless (Hebrews 7.26), we can conclude that +Mary is also sinless because if she wasn't she would 1) not be at enmity +with the devil, as 1 John 3.8 tells us, and 2) the relation of her +sinlessness to Christ's sinlessness would be called into question, as +would God's veracity. For God promised an enmity between Mary and the +serpent, and it is not possible for God to lie or be decieved. + Second, we have the Angelic Greeting where Mary is called by the +Archangle Gabriel ""full of grace."" As I pointed out above this is from +the Greek word ""Kecharitomene"" which means not just full of grace, but a +plenitude or perfection of grace. The sense of it is best grasped by +the footnote to the Jerusalem Bible, ""Hail you who have been and reamin +filled with grace."" But that is a little to long to say, so it is +reduced to full of grace. And as it says, ""you who have been"" Mary had +always been filled with grace, from the moment of her conception, which +was also the moment of her salvation, until her death some years later. + It must be admitted that it is possible that God could have done +what the doctrine of the Immaclute Conception says He did do. And if +God could keep himself free from any contact with sin, through his +Mother, He would have, and the Bible records this fact, to which the +Fathers of the Church such as St. John Damascus, St. Augustine of Hippo +, St. Ambrose and others are in complete agreement with, as is all of +Christian tradition, and as is the infallible declaration of the Pope on +the matter in ""Ineffibilus Deus."" + +Andy Byler +";17;True +"From: royc@rbdc.wsnc.org (Roy Crabtree) +Subject: Re: A Message for you Mr. President: How do you know what happened? +Organization: Red Barn Data Center +Lines: 50 + +In article <1qvv7u$kc1@morrow.stanford.edu> salem@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Bruce Salem) writes: +... +> I think that the consensus will become that FBI/ATF muffed it, +>not merely because they walked into an ambush on Feb 28, and Koresh +>got his prophesy today, against their stated intentions, but because +>they played right into polarizing the situation and not diffusing +>it. +> +> Koresh had set up all the conditions of a classic cult +>confrontation and had stated publically what the outcome would become. + + Before or after his kids were shot? + +>The government upped the ante and parcipitated the conclusion today. +>It does seem that the fires were set from within the compound by the +>members of the group and not caused by the CS gas or the way it was +>delivered. Let the subsequent investigation shed light on that. Suppose + + Then why make the comment? + +>that the government had used pyrotechnics and started the fire. The +>Dividians still had the decision to stay or leave. They never intended + + As did the Jews against the Nazis in WW II: do what I say or die. + +>to leave. +> +>>The building burns, almost everyone dies. It probably doesn't bother +>>you much, but it bothers many other people.....most of whom dont believe +>>particularly in Koresh or his message. + + + ALl humans, I hope. + +> +> Yes, the finger pointing has begun. +> +>> Four ATF agents and 90 branch Davidians are now dead because of +>>crazy tactics on the part of the ATF and FBI. +> +> Yeah, they blew it. They were being too ""rational"" in a +>situation that was not your ordianry criminal game. They haven't learned +>that much from Jonestown, or The Move House, or the SLA shootout. + + Or perhaps they have: kill first, blame the dead ones, + destroy all the evidence. + +> + +royc +";19;True +"From: news@news.claremont.edu (The News System) +Subject: re: Dead mouse ? +Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont CA 91711 +Lines: 1 + + +";0;True +"From: carter@ecf.toronto.edu (CARTER EDWARD A) +Subject: Re: DoD Oficial (tm) Newbie Bike of Choice +Article-I.D.: ecf.C51nqM.5qq +Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility +Lines: 20 + +In article <1pplsc$38q@news.ysu.edu> ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker) writes: +>I propose that the Official DoD Newbie Bike of Choice (tm) be the ZX-11 D. + +=8^/ Nothing like giving newbies a land rocket to practice on. + +>It offers +>enough power so that a novice rider can safely accelerate out of harms way +>in situations where a more experienced rider would use complex avoidance +>manouvers. + +Yup. Accelerate right into the back of an 18-wheel truck. + +Um. How's the easiest way to get newbies of the road? :) + +Regards, Ted. + +--- +University of Toronto Computer Engineering +PowerUsersGroupChairman +'89 FZR600: I'm taking a ride with my best friend. DoD#:886699 +";7;True +"From: cobra@ravel.udel.edu (KING COBRA) +Subject: Re: NHLPA poll (partial stats/results) +Nntp-Posting-Host: ravel.udel.edu +Organization: University of Delaware +Lines: 26 + +In article Young-Soo Che writes: +>All these people who send in their polls should take a closer look at +>NJD, they are a very deep team, with two very capable goalies, and +>excellent forwards and defensemen. Shooter in Richer, an all around do +>it all in Todd, chef Stasny-master of a thousand dishes, power play +>captain-Stevens. Take a look at the numbers, or play with them and see +>for yourselves. + + Yup. I agree with ya. I think Devils can beat Red Wings easily. SO I think + all those who send in their votes should try all these diffrent teams + before voting. I think Islanders and Quebec are much better then I had + expected. + + COBRA + + + +******************************************************************************* +** ___ ____ ____ ____ ____ ** ** +** / / / /___/ /___/ /___/ ** Sex is not the answer, sex is the ** +** /___ /___/ /___/ / \_ / / ** question. Yes is the answer. ** +** ** ** +** E-mail: cobra@chopin.udel.edu ** ** +** ** ** +******************************************************************************* + +";13;True +"From: anthropo@carina.unm.edu (Dominick V. Zurlo) +Subject: Re: [soc.motss, et al.] ""Princeton axes matching funds for Boy Scouts"" +Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque +Lines: 30 +NNTP-Posting-Host: carina.unm.edu + +In article <1993Apr5.011255.7295@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> stank@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Stan Krieger) writes: +>Now can we please use rec.scouting for the purpose for which it was +>established? Clearly we netnews voters decided that we did not want to +>provide a scouting newsgroup to give fringe groups a forum for their +>anti-societal political views. + +Ok, this is the only thing I will comment on from Stan at this time... +part of this forum we call rec.scouting is for policy discussions and +related topics. This is a policy discussion, and involves related +topics. this is not a ""fringe"" group discussion. obviously, it +engenders strong feelings from all sides of the issues at hand. +Wether a particular view is anti-societal or not is your opinion, +and yours alone, don't try to make it seem otherwise. +If you do not wish to engage in this discussion, use a kill file. +If you wish to continue in this discussion, please do so, knowing +full well the implications that apply. +I know for myself that I plan on continuing with the discussion when +i have the wish to have input. I for one am tired of people trying to +say that this is not a matter significant for this group! It is, and +quite so. Especially for those of us who feel the impact more closely. + + +**************************************************************** +* Dominick V. Zurlo * ""If the world's an * +* WWW * oyster, why am I * +* Eagle Scout '87 * allergic to Mollusks?"" * +* blacklisted '88 * * +**************************************************************** + + +";9;True +"From: fraseraj@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Andrew J Fraser) +Subject: Re: God-shaped hole (was Re: ""Accepting Jeesus in your heart..."") +Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept. +Lines: 14 + +[Several people were involved in trying to figure out who first used +the phrase ""God-shaped hole"". --clh] + +""There is a God shaped vacuum in all of us"" (or something to that effect) is +generally attributed to Blaise Pascal. +What I want to know is how can you have a God shaped vacuum inside of you if +God is in fact infinite (or omnipresent)? + +========================================================================= +|| Name: Andrew James Fraser E-mail: fraseraj@dcs.gla.ac.uk || +|| ESE-3H student, University of Glasgow. || +|| Standard disclaimers... || + +[Don't you think you're being a tad too literal with this metaphor? --clh] +";17;True +"From: markm@bigfoot.sps.mot.com (Mark Monninger) +Subject: Re: No-Haggle Deals...Save $$??? +Nntp-Posting-Host: 223.250.10.7 +Reply-To: rapw20@email.sps.mot.com +Organization: SPS +Distribution: usa +Lines: 3 + +You can be sure they wouldn't do it if it wasn't to their advantage. + +Mark +";10;True +"From: avi@duteinh.et.tudelft.nl (Avi Cohen Stuart) +Subject: Re: was: Go Hezbollah!! +Originator: avi@duteinh.et.tudelft.nl +Nntp-Posting-Host: duteinh.et.tudelft.nl +Organization: Delft University of Technology, Dept. of Electrical Engineering +Lines: 35 + +From article <1993Apr15.031349.21824@src.honeywell.com>, by amehdi@src.honeywell.com (Hossien Amehdi): +> In article eshneken@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Edward A Shnekendorf) writes: +>>amehdi@src.honeywell.com (Hossien Amehdi) writes: +>> +>>>You know when Israelis F16 (thanks to General Dynamics) fly high in the sky +>>>and bomb the hell out of some village in Lebanon, where civilians including +>>>babies and eldery getting killed, is that plain murder or what? +>> +>>If you Arabs wouldn't position guerilla bases in refugee camps, artillery +>>batteries atop apartment buildings, and munitions dumps in hospitals, maybe +>>civilians wouldn't get killed. Kinda like Saddam Hussein putting civilians +>>in a military bunker. +>> +>>Ed. +> +> Who is the you Arabs here. Since you are replying to my article you +> are assuming that I am an Arab. Well, I'm not an Arab, but I think you +> are brain is full of shit if you really believe what you said. The +> bombardment of civilian and none civilian areas in Lebanon by Israel is +> very consistent with its policy of intimidation. That is the only +> policy that has been practiced by the so called only democracy in +> the middle east! +> +> I was merley pointing out that the other side is also suffering. +> Like I said, I'm not an Arab but if I was, say a Lebanese, you bet +> I would defende my homeland against any invader by any means. + +Tell me then, would you also fight the Syrians in Lebanon? + +Oh, no of course not. They would be your brothers and you would +tell that you invited them. + +Avi. + + +";15;True +"From: d2bohre@dtek.chalmers.se (Henrik Bohre) +Subject: Digital Answering mach +Keywords: digital +Nntp-Posting-Host: hacke9.dtek.chalmers.se +Organization: Chalmers University of Technology, Gothenburg Sweden +Lines: 10 + +Does anybody know anything about the chips D6275A/D6235A/D6205A chips from +DSP Telecommunications Inc? + +I'd greatly appreciate information about price, pinouts and peripherals. + +Regards, + + Henrik Bohre + + @>-+-- +";11;True +"Organization: Penn State University +From: +Subject: scanned grey to color equations? +Lines: 7 + +A while back someone had several equations which could be used for changing 3 f +iltered grey scale images into one true color image. This is possible because +it's the same theory used by most color scanners. I am not looking for the obv +ious solution which is to buy a color scanner but what I do need is those equat +ions becasue I am starting to write software which will automate the conversion + process. I would really appreciate it if someone would repost the 3 equations +/3 unknowns. Thanks for the help!!! +";1;True +"From: hlu@eecs.wsu.edu (HJ Lu) +Subject: Re: Booting from B drive +Organization: School of EECS, Washington State University +Lines: 17 + +In article <1993Apr18.185226.27273@mcshub.dcss.mcmaster.ca>, yee@nimios.eng.mcmaster.ca (Paul Yee) writes: +|> In article khan0095@nova.gmi.edu (Mohammad Razi Khan) writes: +|> >glang@slee01.srl.ford.com (Gordon Lang) writes: +|> > +|> >>David Weisberger (djweisbe@unix.amherst.edu) wrote: +|> >>: I have a 5 1/4"" drive as drive A. How can I make the system boot from +|> >>: my 3 1/2"" B drive? +|> +|> [intermediate reply suggesting cable switch deleted] +|> + + +I heard boot_b.zip could do exactly what you wanted without touching +anything. Check it out with archie. + + +H.J. +";5;True +"From: libman@hsc.usc.edu (Marlena Libman) +Subject: Need advice with doctor-patient relationship problem +Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA +Lines: 64 +NNTP-Posting-Host: hsc.usc.edu + +I need advice with a situation which occurred between me and a physican +which upset me. I saw this doctor for a problem with recurring pain. +He suggested medication and a course of treatment, and told me that I +need to call him 7 days after I begin the medication so that he may +monitor its effectiveness, as well as my general health. + +I did exactly as he asked, and made the call (reaching his secretary). +I explained to her that I was following up at the doctor's request, +and that I was worried because the pain episodes were becoming more +frequent and the medication did not seem effective. + +The doctor called me back, and his first words were, ""Whatever you want, +you'd better make it quick. I'm very busy and don't have time to chit- +chat with you!"" I told him I was simply following his instructions to +call on the 7th day to status him, and that I was feeling worse. I +then asked if perhaps there was a better time for us to talk when he +had more time. He responded, ""Just spit it out now because no time is +a good time."" (Said in a raised voice.) I started to feel upset and +tried to explain quickly what was going on with my condition but my +nervousness interfered with my choice of words and I kind of stuttered +and then said ""well, never mind"" and he said he'll talk to various +colleagues about other medications and he'll call me some other time. + +This doctor called me that evening and said because I didn't express +myself well, he was confused about what I wanted. At this point I +was pretty upset and I told him (in an amazingly polite voice considering +how angry I felt) that his earlier manner had hurt my feelings. He told +me that he just doesn't have time to ""rap with patients"" and thought +that was what I wanted. I told him that to assume I was calling to +""rap"" was insulting, and said again that I was just following through +on his orders. He responded that he resented the implication that he +felt I was making that he was not interested in learning about what his +patients have to say about their condition status. He then gave me +this apology: ""I am sorry that there was a miscommunication and you +mistakenly thought I was insulting. I am not trying to insult you +but I am not that knowledgeable about pain, and I don't have a lot of +time to deal with that."" He then told me to call him the next day +for further instructions on how do deal with my pain and medication. + +I am still upset and have not yet called. + +My questions: (1) Should I continue to have this doctor manage my care? +(2) Since I am in pain off and on, I realize that this may cause me to +be more anxietous so am I perhaps over-reacting or overly sensitive? +If this doctor refers me to his colleague who knows more about the type +of pain I have, he still wants me to status him on my condition but +now I am afraid to call him. + + --Marlena + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +";4;True +"From: rdetweil@boi.hp.com (Richard Detweiler) +Subject: Re: Torre: The worst manager? +Organization: Hewlett Packard - Boise Printer Division +Lines: 75 + +From another not-so-distressed-but-still-wondering-about-a-few-things +Cardinal fan: + +In article <93095@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt7469a@prism.gatech.EDU (Brian R. Landmann) writes: +>Joe Torre has to be the worst manager in baseball. +> + He's not the greatest - this is true. +> +>For anyone who didn't see Sunday's game, +> + I saw it. +> +>With a right hander pitching he decides to bench Lankform, a left handed +>hitter and play jordan and gilkey, both right handers. +> + Lankford was hurt, although the announcer said he told Torre he + could pinch hit if they needed him to. +> +>Later, in the ninth inning with the bases loaded and two outs he puts +>lankford, a 300 hitter with power in as a pinch runner and uses Luis +>Alicea, a 250 hitter with no power as a pinch hitter. What the Hell +>is he thinking. +> + I wondered the same thing. But giving Joe the benefit of the + doubt, I'd say he was thinking that Lankford is hurt enough that + he didn't trust his ability to bat effectively but he wants his + speed on the bases so pinch run him. Alicea I was completely + confused about. Maybe he had a good record hitting against that + particular pitcher? I don't know. Anybody got an idea? +> +>Earlier in the game in an interview about acquiring Mark Whiten he commented +>how fortunate the Cardinals were to get Whiten and that Whiten would be a +>regular even though this meant that Gilkey would be hurt, But torre said +>he liked Gilkey coming off the bench. Gilkey hit over 300 last year, +>what does he have to do to start, The guy would be starting on most every +>team in the league. +> + Well, so far I haven't seen much to say Whiten shouldn't be playing + but it is too bad that Gilkey is the odd man out when they play + Jordan ahead of him. That I don't quite understand. +> +>Furthermore, in Sundays game when lankford was thrown out at the plate, +>The replay showed Bucky Dent the third base coach looking down the line +>and waving lankford home, +> + Yup, I looked for this on the replay too. If I'm Joe Torre, I'm + going to have a talk with Bucky after the game on that one. He's + got Lankford at third with Todd Zeile I believe - a hot hitter - + coming up - there's no reason to risk giving Lankford the go sign + in that situation unless he was sure the ball is going to the stands. + It's his job to watch the play develop - he should have known Larkin + was there to back up a bad throw. That seemed inexcusable in my book. + BTW, I saw Dent do the same thing last year with Zeile rounding third + and going into a sure out at home in a critical situation. On the + replay, there's Dent waving him around. It looks like this might be a + serious problem. The Card's weren't good base runners at all last year + and I wonder how much of the fault lies in the base coaching. + +> +>I can't take this anymore +> + Well, I'm still hanging in there. + + GO REDBIRDS!! WOOF, WOOF!!! + +>brian, a very distressed cardinal fan. +>-- +> +>Brian Landmann +>Georgia Institute of Technology +>Internet:gt7469a@prism.gatech.edu + +Dick Detweiler + +rdetweil@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com +";14;True +"From: jmk13@po.cwru.edu (Joseph M. Kasanic) +Subject: Re: 14"" monitors +Article-I.D.: usenet.1pt3oe$li6 +Distribution: world +Organization: Case School of Engineering +Lines: 16 +NNTP-Posting-Host: b63545.student.cwru.edu +X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d20 +X-XXMessage-ID: +X-XXDate: Tue, 6 Apr 93 03:29:12 GMT + +In article <1pco6eINN99i@corona.hsc.usc.edu> Daniel S. Chen, +dschen@corona.hsc.usc.edu writes: +> I'm interested in getting a 14"" color monitor for my new LCIII. +>Unfortunately, I'm really quite confused with the Sony monitors. +>Could someone please compare the Sony 1320, 1304 and the Apple 14""? +> Thanks. Dan + +Just thought I would mention that Sony no longer manufactures the CPD- +1304 because of several manufacturing flaws. The new model is now the +1430, which just like Apple's new Sony Trinitrom CLAIMS to be 14 inches. +I'm not sure of the details on the defects, but I work at our schools +bookstore +and can tell you that nearly half of them were returned with some kind of +defect or another. + +Just my two cents worth. +";0;True +"From: catone@compstat.wharton.upenn.edu (Tony Catone) +Subject: Re: 17"" Monitors +Organization: University of Pennsylvania +Lines: 12 +Nntp-Posting-Host: compstat.wharton.upenn.edu +In-reply-to: zrdf01@trc.amoco.com's message of 20 Apr 93 15:56:06 GMT + +In article zrdf01@trc.amoco.com (Rusty Foreman) writes: + + Has anyone taken a look at the new ViewSonic 17? They claim + 1280x1024 at 76Hz. How does it compare with the T560i in terms of + price, and quality of display? + +I'm interested in the new ViewSonic 17 as well. Has anyone seen one +of these monitors in the flesh? + + +- Tony + +";5;True +"From: vojak@icebucket.stortek.com (Bill Vojak) +Subject: ACLU policies +Originator: vojak@icebucket.stortek.com +Nntp-Posting-Host: icebucket.stortek.com +Organization: Storage Technology Corp. +Distribution: usa +Lines: 59 + +ACLU Official Policies. + +Policy 18, for example, opposes rating systems for motion +pictures: ""Industry sponsored ratings systems create the +potential for constraining the creative process and thus +contracting the marketplace of ideas. Despite the stated goal of +providing guidance to parents, experience has shown that ratings +inevitably have serious chilling effects on freedom of +expression."" + +In regards to the Pledge of Allegiance, the ACLU states in its +Policy 84: ""The insertion of the words `under God' into the +Pledge of Allegiance is a violation of the constitutional +principle of separation of Church and State."" + +Policy 120 states that, ""Military conscription under any +circumstances is a violation of civil liberties and +constitutional guarantees."" The ACLU objects to the draft even +during wartime because of the ""anti-democratic power it gives +government to wage war without support of the people."" + +Policy 125 states, ""The ACLU calls for a broad-based inquiry into +war crimes within the widest possible definition of war crimes +against humanity, and crimes against the peace, focusing upon the +actions of the United States military and other combatants +against the people of South Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, and North +Vietnam."" + +Policy 133 states, ""The ACLU recognizes that US government +reliance upon nuclear weaponry as a dominant element of foreign +and domestic policy, while propounded as a defense of democracy, +is in fact a great threat to civil liberties. Four decades of +adherence to this policy has fundamentally altered the nature of +our constitutional democratic process and poses a paramount +threat to our civil liberties."" + +Policy 217 objects to roadblocks ""where drivers are stopped for +sobriety tests"" because they ""violate Fourth Amendment +principles."" + +Policy 242 states the following on criminal +sentencing: ""The most appropriate correctional approach is +reintegrating the offender into the community, and the goals of +reintegration are furthered much more readily by working with the +offender within the community than by incarceration. Probation +should be authorized by the legislature in every case; exceptions +to the principle are not favored, and any exceptions, if made, +should be limited to the most serious of offenses, such as murder +or treason."" + + Bill Vojak + vojak@icebucket.stortek.com + NRA, ILA, + Colorado Firearms Coalition +------------------------------------------------------------ +The CBS Nightly Propaganda With Dan Rather. (RATHER NOT!) +The CBS Nightly Propaganda With Dan Rather. (RATHER BIASED!) +------------------------------------------------------------ + +";3;True +"From: jk@tools.de (Juergen Keil) +Subject: Re: Sun CD-ROM on PCs??? +Organization: TooLs GmbH, Bonn, Germany +Lines: 15 + + <1993Apr14.195220.21701@nb.rockwell.com> + <1993Apr15.040231.17561@c3p0.novell.de> +NNTP-Posting-Host: leo.tools.de +In-reply-to: pbartok@c3p0.novell.de's message of Thu, 15 Apr 1993 04:02:31 GMT + +In article <1993Apr15.040231.17561@c3p0.novell.de> pbartok@c3p0.novell.de (Peter D. Bartok) writes: + +>> Great! But don't let your effort and talent be un-noticed. +>> Put the program on the net, upload it to some anonymous ftp +>> sites. So people (at least me) can have it and appreciate it. +> +> Please put it into ftp.novell.de (193.97.1.1) pub/incoming/pc + +OK, the small programme that can be used to switch a SunCD drive into +2048 bytes/block mode for use with MSDOS/Adaptec/APSI it now available +by 'ftp' from + + ftp.novell.de (193.97.1.1) pub/pc/adaptec/cdblksize.zip +-- +Juergen Keil jk@tools.de ...!{uunet,mcsun}!unido!tools!jk +";5;True +"From: ph12hucg@sbusol.rz.uni-sb.de (Carsten Grammes) +Subject: List of IDE Harddisk specs (21/04/93) +Organization: Universitaet des Saarlandes,Rechenzentrum +Lines: 761 +NNTP-Posting-Host: sbusol.rz.uni-sb.de + + Configuration of IDE Harddisks + ============================== + + +last update: 14.4.1993 + +collected by Carsten Grammes (ph12hucg@rz.uni-sb.de) +and published regularly on comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware. + + +!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! +There is explicitly NO WARRANTY +that the given settings are correct or harmless. (I only collect, I do +not check for myself!!!). There is always the possibility that the +settings may destroy your hardware! +!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! + + +Since I hope however that only well-minded people undergo the effort of +posting their settings the chance of applicability exists. If you should +agree or disagree with some setting, let me know immediately in order +to update the list. + +If you possess a HD not mentioned here of which you know BIOS and/or +jumper settings, please mail them to me for the next update of the list! + +Only IDE (AT-Bus) Harddisks will be accounted for. +If not specified the Landing Zone should be set equal to the number of +cylinders. If not specified the 'Write Precompensation' should be set +65535. (There are BIOSes that don't even ask for it). + +Another statement (maybe right): +IDE harddisk don't have Precomp and LZone. The precomp is a built-in parameter +and lzone isn't used because most if not every IDE disk has autopark. + +The jumpers' names are given as printed on the HD's board, often only a +jumper number (JP12 means the jumper '12'). A zero means that the jumper +is left open, a one means that the jumper is closed. + + + +*************************** C O N N E R *************************** + + + Conner Peripherals Drive Geometry + +IDE/AT + +Conner drives are low level formatted at the factory. It is only necessary +to run SETUP, FDISK, and DOS FORMAT. + +Model Heads Cylinders Sectors PComp L-Zone Type Table LED + +CP2034 2 823 38 0 823 *UT 3 N/A +CP2064 4 823 38 0 823 *UT 3 N/A +CP2084 8 548 38 0 548 *UT 3 N/A +CP3184 6 832 33 0 832 *UT 1 A +CP3104 8 776 33 0 776 *UT 1 A +CP3111 8 833 33 0 833 *UT 1 A(?) +CP3204 16 683 38 0 683 *UT 2 B +CP30064 4 762 39 0 762 *UT 2 B +CP30084 8 526 39 0 526 *UT 2 B +CP30104 8 762 39 0 762 *UT 2 B +CP30084E 4 903 46 0 903 *UT 3 C +CP30174E 8 903 46 0 903 *UT 3 C +CP30204 16 683 38 0 683 *UT 3 C +CP3304 16 659 63 0 659 *UT 3 D +CP3364 16 702 63 0 702 *UT 3 D +CP3504 16 987 63 0 987 *UT 3 D +CP3554 16 1054 63 0 1054 *UT 3 B + +Table 1 Table 2 + + Jumper Settings Jumper Settings + +Single Drive = Jumper ACT and C/D Single Drive = Jumper C/D +Master Drive = Jumper ACT, C/D and DSP Master Drive = Jumper C/D & DSP +Slave Drive = No jumpers installed Slave Drive = No jumpers installed + + +Table 3 + All Conner 20 Mbyte drives use + Jumper Settings Drive type 2. All Conner 40 + Mbyte drives use Drive type 17. +Single & Master Drive = Jumper C/D +Slave Drive = No jumpers installed *UT = Universal translate. + Select a drive type that is + close to but does not exceed + the megabyte capacity of the + drive. The drive will + translate to the megabyte + capacity that you have + selected. + + LED + + A: B: C: D: + J-4 J-5 J-5 J-3 + Pin 1 = + Pin 3 = + Pin 3 = - Pin 3 = + + Pin 2 = - Pin 4 = - Pin 4 = - Pin 4 = - + + +> When I installed a Conner CP3204F (203 MB) as master and a WD Caviar 2200 +> (203 MB) as slave, both with and without the ""CP"" jumper, the Caviar had +> seemingly normal behaviour. However, when doing writes to the Caviar, once +> in a while it would overwrite directories etc. Using FASTBACK was almost +> impossible. +> +> The workaround is to install the Caviar as the master, and the Conner +> as the slave. + + + +*************************** F U J I T S U *************************** + +DETAILS OF FUJITSU DRIVES M261xT (Standard) + + M2614ET M2613ET M2612ET M2611T + +Heads (physical) 8 6 4 2 +Cyl (physical) 1334 1334 1334 1334 +Sec/trk 33 33 33 33 +Speed (rpm) 3490 3490 3490 3490 +Capacity 180MB 135MB 90MB 45MB + + + +-----------------------------------------------+ + | | + +--+ | + PSU | | CNH-2 | + +--+ 1 | + 1 | | . LED | + | | CNH-1 9 CNH-3 Connector | + | | 1 6..1 o o | + 40-way | | . | | | + IDE | | . | + | | . | + | | 12 | + +--+ | + +-----------------------------------------------+ + + + + Pin Function + Position + + * 1- 2 Active mode + 2- 3 Slave present mode + 4- 5 Pin 27=IOCHRDY +CNH-1 JUMPERS * 5- 6 Pin 27=RESERVED + 7- 8 2 drive system + * 8- 9 1 drive system + 10-11 Pin 29=IRQ14 : Pin 31=RESERVED + * 11-12 Pin 31=IRQ14 : Pin 29=RESERVED + + + Pin Function + Position + + 1- 2 SLAVE drive mode +CNH-2 JUMPERS * 4- 5 MASTER drive mode + 7- 8 ECC 4 bytes + * 8- 9 ECC 7 bytes + + + Pin Function + Position + + 1- 2 Write protect enabled +CNH-3 JUMPERS * 2- 3 Write protect disabled + 4- 5 -6 Reserved + +Key: * (I guess!) marks factory default setting for jumper + + +BIOS SETTINGS + +BIOS setting for the M2614ET in my system is 667 cylinders, 33 sectors +and 16 heads. + +> I was trying to set my IDE drive in the subject above to a slave drive for +> A Conner 170MB drive and contacting the support company gave me this answer (which works). The factory default on SW2 is On Off Off Off Off Off (1-6). This sets the drive to be a single drive. Setting SW2 to Off On On Off Off Off makes it a slave drive. SW1 has been set to On Off Off On (1-4) all along. + + + +MODEL CYLINDERS HEADS SECTORS CAPACITY (Million bytes) + +M2622T 1013 10 63 326.75 +M2623T 1002 13 63 420.16 +M2624T 995 16 63 513.51 + + +There are 6 switches on the switch block on these drives. Only 4 of +them have a use that I am aware of (from my M2624T manual): + +Master/Slave Master (*) SW1-5 OFF + Slave SW1-5 ON +ECC bytes 4 bytes (*) SW1-4 OFF + 7 bytes SW1-4 ON +Write Protect Disabled (*) SW1-3 OFF + Enabled SW1-3 ON +IO Channel Ready Disabled (*) SW1-1 OFF + Enabled SW1-1 ON + +I have no idea about the function of SW1-2 and SW1-6. The values +listed with a (*) are the factory default settings. + + +*************************** K A L O K *************************** + +KALOK KL3100 105 MB +BIOS: cyl 979 heads 6 sectors 35 + +KALOK KL3120 120 MB +BIOS: Cyl 981 heads 6 sectors 40 + +The following jumper settings have been reported for KL3100 but are probably +also valid for other Kalok drives. + +Single HD: +o o o o o + +o o o o-o <-- same row as pin 1 of the IDE connector. + +Master (disk 1): +o o o o o + | +o o o o o + +Slave: +o o o o o + | +o o o o o + +These 5 pairs of pins are at the righthand side of the disk. + + + +*************************** M A X T O R *************************** + +Model Cyls Heads Sectors Precomp Landing Zone +---------- ----- ----- ------- ------- ------------ +LXT-200A 816 15 32 0 816 +LXT-213A 683 16 38 0 683 +LXT-340A 654 16 63 0 654 +LXT437A 842 16 63 0 842 +LXT535A 1036 16 63 0 1024 + +Jumpers are as follows: + +The bottom of the drive looks like this (well, sort of): + +| o o 1-2 | +| o o 3-4 | +| o o 5-6 | +| o o 7-8 | +| o o 9-10 | +| | ++[POWER] [IDE CONNECTOR]-----+ + + Single drive Dual Drive System +Pin numbers Jumper System Master Slave +----------- ------ ------------ ------ ----- +1-2 Slave Drive remove remove install +3-4 Activity LED optional optional optional +5-6 Slave Present remove remove optional +7-8 Master Drive remove install remove +9-10 Sync Spindle remove (n/a) optional* remove + +* only one drive (the master) in an array should have this jumper installed. + + + +Maxtor 7060A 16 467 17 62,0 J14 closed, J13 closed +Maxtor 7060A 7 1024 17 59,5 J14 open, J13 open +Maxtor 7060A 4 762 39 58,0 J14 closed, J13 open +Maxtor 7060A 8 925 17 57,9 J14 open, J13 closed + +Maxtor 7120A 16 936 17 124,3 J14 closed, J13 closed +Maxtor 7120A 14 1024 17 119,0 j14 open, J13 open +Maxtor 7120A 8 762 39 116,0 J14 closed, J13 open +Maxtor 7120A 15 900 17 112,0 J14 open, J13 closed +Maxtor 7120A 8 824 33 106,2 J14 + +Jumpers for the above 2 drives: + + J11 I/O-channel ready ( open: disabled; close: enabled ) + J13 see above + J14 see above + J15 operation-status ( open: normal; close: factory ) + J J J J J + 2 1 1 1 1 + 0 9 8 7 6 + +Power data-cable + +J16: Idle mode latch ( open: disabled; close: enabled ) +J17: drive model ( open: 7060A; close 7120A ) +J18: ECC Bytes ( open: 7 bytes; close: 4 bytes ) + +Master/Slave: drive is master and alone : J20 closed, J19 closed + drive is master of two drives: J20 closed, J19 open + drive is slave of two drives : J20 open , J19 closed + + +Maxtor 7213A + +Default (power-up) AT BIOS Translation Parameters (others possible) +Cyl Hds SpT MBytes +683 16 38 212 + +There are two sets of jumpers. A set of 5 and a set of +4. With the power and IDE connector toward you, the set of 5 is +numbered (left to right) J16 - J20 , and the set of 4 is numbered +(bottom to top) J22-J25. + +The only jumper of normal interest is J20. Jumper it for only +drive in a single drive system, or master drive in a dual drive +system. + +Remove the jumper J20 for slave drive in a dual drive system. + +J19 is a dummy and may be used to store the spare shunt if the +drive is configured for a slave mode. + +Jumpers J17, J18, J24, J25 are factory reserved. Abnormal operation +may occur if jumpered. + +Jumper 22 is sync spindle enabled/disabled (open=disabled) +Jumper 23 is sync slave/master (open=slave) +Jumper 16 is I/O Channel Ready (open=disabled) + + +Maxtor 7245A (245Mb IDE; self-parking; Universal Translate): +Drive type : User defineable +Cyl Hds WPC LZ S/T +967 16 0 0 31 (WPC and LZ optional) + +Master(2): J20 closed +Slave(2): J20 open (use J19 for shunt storage) +Single: J20 closed + + +********************** M I C R O P O L I S **************************** + + +Drive 2105A 2112A +---------------------------------------- +Unformatted MB 647 1220 +Formatted MB 560 1050 +Platters 5 8 +Heads 8 15 +Cylinders 1760 1760 +---------------------------------------- + +Performance (both): + + Track to track (read) 1.5 msec + Track to track (write) 2.5 msec + Average 10 msec + Max 25 msec + Avg Rotational Latency 5.56 msec + Rotational speed 5400 rpm (+/- 5%) + Data Transfer Rate upto 5Mbytes/sec + Internal data rate 24-40 Mbits/sec + +BIOS Settings: + +2105A 1084 cyl 16 heads 63 sectors +2112A* master 1024 cyl 16 heads 63 sectors + slave 1010 cyl 16 heads 63 sectors + +* the 2112A emulates both master and slave + + +Jumpers (labelled J6 on the drive) + + ---- + |oo| W1\ only these 2 are used + |oo| W2/ + |oo| + |oo| + |oo| + ---- + + W2 W1 + -- -- + in in 2112A only - drive emulates both master + slave + in out Drive is master, slave is present + out in Drive is slave + out out Drive is master, no slave present (ie single drive) + + +********************** M I C R O S C I E N C E **************************** + +MicroScience + +Model: 7100-00 +Heads: 7 +Cylinders: 855 +S/T: 35 (?) +Size: 105M + + +Model # 8040-00. +Size 40M 5hd/17sec/977cyl + +********************** M I N I S C R I B E **************************** + +Miniscribe + +MODEL AT CAP CYC H RWC WPC ENC RATE ACCESS SPT COMMENTS +8225AT 3.5"" 21 745 2 - - 8 28 MS 28 +8051AT 3.5"" 42 745 4 - - 8 28 MS 28 +8450AT 3.5"" 42 745 4 - - 8 40 MS 28 + +Master(2): 5-6 +Slave(2): 1-2 +Single: 1-3 (shunt storage) + + +*************************** N E C ********************************* + +NEC D3735, 40 MB +BIOS: Cyl 537 Head 4 sect 41 + +NEC D3755, 105 MB +BIOS: Cyl 625 Head 8 sect 41 + +NEC D3741, 44 MB +BIOS: Cyl 423 Head 8 sect 26 WPcom 0 LZone 424 + + +Jumper JP12 JP13 (for all above NEC drives) +Single 0 0 +Master 1 0 +Slave 1 1 + +There have been reported difficulties in using WD Caviar as Master and +NEC drives as slave - the other way it works. + + + +*************************** Q U A N T U M ************************* + +Logical Specs for Quantum AT Drives +COMPLIMENTS OF COMPUTER BROKERS OF CANADA + + +Model Cap Avg Acc Cylinders Heads Sectors/Track + (MB) (ms) + +40AT 42 19 965 5 17 +80AT 84 19 965 10 17 +120AT 120 15 814 9 32 +170AT 168 15 968 10 34 +210AT 209 15 873 13 36 +425AT 426 14 1021 16 51 +LPS 52AT 52 17 751 8 17 +LPS 80AT 83 17 611 16 17 +LPS 105AT 105 17 755 16 17 +LPS 120AT 122 16 901 5 53 +LPS 240AT 245 16 723 13 51 + +================================================= +Legend: 1=Jumper Installed 0=No Jumper +================================================= + +40 & 80 AT Jumpers + +DS SS Meaning +1 0 Single drive configuration +1 1 Master of dual drive +0 0 Slave of dual drive +0 1 Self-Seek Test + +======================================================= + +120, 170, 210 & 425 AT Jumpers + +DS SP SS Meaning +0 0 0 Slave when the Master is Quantum PRODRIVE other than 40/80A +0 0 1 Slave in PRODRIVE 40/80A mode +0 1 0 Slave when Master is non Quantum Drive +0 1 1 Not Used +1 0 1 Master drive PDIAG mode checking DASP for slave +1 1 0 Master in PDIAG mode using SP to check if slave present +1 1 1 Master in 40/80A mode using SP to check if slave present +1 0 0 Single drive + +======================================================= + +LPS 52, 80, 105, 120 & 240 AT Jumpers +DS SP DM* Meaning +0 0 0 Slave in standard PDIAG mode for compatibility with drives that use + PDIAG-line to handle Master/Slave communications +0 0 1 Slave in PRODRIVE 40/80A mode compat. without using PDIAG line +0 1 0 Self Test +0 1 1 Self Test +1 0 0 Master in PDIAG mode using DASP to check for Slave +1 0 1 Master in 40/80A Mode using DASP to check for Slave +1 1 0 Master in PDIAG mode using SP to check for Slave without + checking DASP +1 1 1 Master in 40/80A mode using SP to check for Slave without + checking DASP + + +====================================================================== +* While my Spec form marked the jumper name DM, it is labeled as CS on + my LPS 240AT drive. + + + +The QUANTUM ELS series: + +Model Cap Avg Acc Cylinders Heads Sectors/Track + (MB) (ms) + +ELS42AT 42 - 968 5 17 +ELS85AT 85 - 977 10 17 +ELS127AT 127 - 919 16 17 +ELS170AT 170 - 1011 15 22 + +Write precomp = 0 for all Quantum drives ( probably no significance) +Landing Zone = Cylinders + +Straps: If an ELS drive is + master only, use DS + master with slave, DS or, DS and SP in some cases + slave, no strap + + +*************************** R O D I M E ********************************* + +Information for RO 3008A and RO 3009A series hard disk drives: + +Drive Types + + Model Cyls Hds Sectors/Trk No. blocks Formatted Cap. + ------- ---- --- ----------- ---------- -------------- + RO3058A 868 3 34 88,536 45.33 MByets + RO3088A 868 5 34 147,560 75.55 MByets + RO3095A 923 5 34 156,910 80.33 MByets + RO3128A 868 7 34 206,584 105.77 MByets + RO3135A 923 7 34 219,674 112.47 MByets + + RO3059A 217 15 28 91,158 46.67 MByets + RO3089A 325 15 28 136,737 70.00 MByets + RO3129A 492 15 28 206,645 105.80 MByets + RO3139A 523 15 28 219,735 112.50 MByets + RO3209A 759 15 28 319,053 163.35 MByets + RO3259A 976 15 28 410,211 210.02 MByets + + +Link Options + + In order to install the Rodime Ro 3000A series drives the dumpers for +the single/dual drive and LED operation on the drive need to be set as +described in the relevant product specification. + I a single drive environment the drive is described as a Master. + In a dual drive environment the drives are described as a Master and a +Slave. This is due to the protocal the takes place between the two drives +when performing diagnostics. + There are four links, LK1, LK2, LK4 and LK5, adjacent to the 40 way +interface connector. They have the following functions and are described +in order as viewed from the end of the drive, with the first jumper +described nearest the 40 way interface connector. + +LK2: LED + When fitted, this jumper connects the LED drive to pin 39 of the + interface. This allows a LED to be connected to the interface. An + external current limiting resistor needs to be fitted in series with + the LED when this option is selected. The value of the resistor will + be dependant on the LED type chosen but will be in the range of 130 + Ohms ot 220 Ohms. + +LK1: Dual Drives + This jumper must be fitted when two drives are attached to a single + bus. It fallows communication across the 40 way interface connector, + indicating, to the Master drive, the presence of a Slave. + +LK4: Master + When fitted this signifies that the drive jumpered is a Master. If + there are two drives connected on a single bus then only one may be + jumpered in this way. + +LK5: IOChRdy + When fitted this connects the IOChRdy signal to the drive, it is + fitted when the drive is used in host systems that have a higher + data transfer rate than the drive i.e. greater than 4 MBytes per + second when using 1:1 interleave. This jumper is not normally + fitted as most hosts transfer at a lower rate than 4 MBytes per + second. + + There are four possible Master/Slave configurations in which a drive(s) +may be jumpered: + + Master, single drive with LED on interface LK2 & LK4 fitted. + Master, single drive without LED on interface LK4 only fitted. + Master, dual drive without LED on interface LK4 & LK1 fitted. + Slave, dual drive without LED on interface No jumpers fitted. + Master, dual drive with LED on interface LK4, LK1 & LK2 fitted. + Slave, dual drive with LED on interface LK2 only fitted. + + The Master drive will delay power-up for approximately two seconds to +reduce power surges in applications where dual drives are used. + + The other connections for a LED will be found close to the 28 way +connector at the other end of the drive. This LED driver is not affected +by the link options. An internal current limiting resistor is on the +drive for this LED driver. Refer to the product specification for further +details. + + + + +*************************** S E A G A T E ************************* + +There is a list of most Seagate HD (including MFM, SCSI, ESDIand IDE) on +every Simtel mirror under + +/msdos/dskutl/1seagate.zip + +It contains info about the following drives: + + st1144a st138a st274a st3283a +st1057a st1156a st1400a st280a st351ax +st1090a st1162a st1401a st3051a st9051a +st1102a st1186a st1480a st3096a st9077a +st1111a st1201a st157a st3120a st9096a +st1126a st1239a st2274a st3144a st9144a +st1133a st125a st2383a st325ax + + +********************* T E A C ************** + +Model: SD-3105 + + Cyls. Heads Sect/T PreCmp LZone Capacity + ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ --------- +Physical 1282 4 40 - - 105021440 +BIOS (AMI) 641 8 40 0 0 105021440 (100.2M) + (Award) 926 13 17 0 0 104778752 (99.9M) + (Phoenix) 776 8 33 0 0 104890368 (100.0M) + +Connectors and Jumpers: + + +----+ 1 Jumper Function + |....| +---+ +-------/ /---+ 2 0 0 ON: -ACT selected (ext.LED) + | | |...| |::::::/ /::::| :::: OFF: -SLV PRESENT selected + +----+ +---+ +-----/ /-----+ 3 1 1 ON: Two HDD's + J2 J7 40 J1 ---- OFF: Single HDD + Power (Power) Signal Jumpers 2 ON: Master (/Single) + OFF: Slave (with 2 units used) + 3 ON: -I/O CH RDY not output + OFF: -I/O CH RDY is output +Master Slave Settings: + +Jumper no.: 1 2 +----------------------- +Single....: 0 1 1, ON = jumpered +Master....: 1 1 0, OFF = not jumpered +Slave.....: 1 0 + + + +********************* W E S T E R N D I G I T A L ************** + +Caviar series: + +Name Size (Mb) Cylinders Heads Sectors +---------------------------------------------------- +WDAC140 40.7 980 5 17 +WDAC280 81.3 980 10 17 +WDAC2120 119.0 1024 14 17 +WDAC2170 162.7 1010 6 55 +WDAC2200 202.8 989 12 35 +WDAC2340 325.4 1010 12 55 + +Please note that these are the *recommended* CMOS parameters. All the disks +support so-called dynamic translation, and should thus be able to work with +any parameters having fewer sectors than the total number of sectors on +the disk. + +Now, according to the manual, the jumper settings are as follows: + +Jumper CP MA SL +------------------------------------------------- +Single 0 0 0 +Master 0 1 0 +Slave 0 0 1 +Slave with Conner CP342 or CP3022 1 0 1 + + +Maybe there are 2 kinds of Caviar's floating around: + +If your jumpers read MA SL and SI then use: +Jumper SI MA SL +Single 1 0 0 +Master 0 1 0 +Slave 0 0 1 + +There have been reported difficulties in using WD Caviar as Master and +NEC drives as slave - the other way it works. +> When I installed a Conner CP3204F (203 MB) as master and a WD Caviar 2200 +> (203 MB) as slave, both with and without the ""CP"" jumper, the Caviar had +> seemingly normal behaviour. However, when doing writes to the Caviar, once +> in a while it would overwrite directories etc. Using FASTBACK was almost +> impossible. +> +> The workaround is to install the Caviar as the master, and the Conner +> as the slave. + + +WD93044-A (40 MB) +BIOS-Settings +977 cyln, 5 heads, 17 sect, LZone: 977 ( wenn sie sie braucht ) + ++-------+ +---+---+---+ 1: drive is master +| cable | | 1 | 2 | 3 | 2: drive is slave ++-------+ +---+---+---+ 3: second drive is a conner-drive + +No jumper set: this is the only drive. + + + +******************** Useful telephone numbers... ******************** + +Miniscribe: + 303-651-6000 + +Maxtor: + Info/tech support: 800-262-9867 + FAX-back: 303-678-2618 + BBS: 303-678-2222 + They list their 800 number as 1(800)2-MAXTOR. + +Quantum: + 408-894-4000 + 408-944-0410 (Support) + 408-894-3218 (FAX) + 408-894-3214 (BBS) + +Seagate: + Info/tech support: 408-438-8222 + FAX-back: 408-438-2620 + BBS: 408-438-8771 + + +******************* last but not least ***************** + +If I could help you with my little collection and if you live in a +part of the world far away from me, how about a postcard for my pinboard? +I will surely answer! + +Carsten Grammes +Experimental Physics +B38 2OG +Universitaet Saarbruecken +W-6600 Saarbruecken +Germany +";5;True +"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) +Subject: Armenian genocide of the Muslim people in 1914 and 1993. +Article-I.D.: zuma.9304052051 +Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) +Distribution: world +Lines: 52 + +In article ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis ) writes: + +> Alah, alah, kleriklemek mutuglu diyeni de la malakismenos kolo-Tourkos ... +> Likkleserfelc ekmek salam. Toukoutakli, ranadas sarma. +> Geke re? Ti, eipate yok? Plaka numarani alalim kanw re... + + +Source: A. Alper Gazigiray, ""Osmanlilardan Gunumuze Kadar Vesikalarla + Ermeni Teroru'nun Kaynaklari,"" Gozen Kitabevi, Istanbul, 1982. + +pp. 267-268. + +""Van'dan sonra ilk isyan Sebinkarahisar'da basladi. 1915 senesi 5 + haziran da, Sivasli Murat [Hamparsum Boyaciyan - sa] denilen bir + caninin emri altinda 500 kadar cete Sebinkarahisari basti. Burasi o + zaman en onemli askeri bir yerdi. Erzurum bolgesinde Rus ordusu ile + savasan Osmanli Ordularinin butun ikmal araclari buradan gecmekte idi. + Ermeniler boyle onemli bir yer isgal ettikleri takdirde Turk + ordularinin ikmali yapilamayacak ve Rus Ordularinin harekati + kolaylasacakti. Sebinkarahisarin islam mahalleleri tamamen atese + verildi. Her rastlanan Turk iskence ile olduruldu. + + Mus'da ayni sekilde isyan devam ediyordu. Sason daglari Ermeni + eskiyalariyla dolu idi. Bu isyanlari, ordunun arkasini vurmak ve Rus + Ordusunun ilerlemesini saglamak icin Ermenilerin pasa dedikleri Rupen + idare ediyordu. Bundan baska, Rus Ordularinin Rus - Turk sinirindan + gecerek Turk topraklarina girdikleri bu safhada Rus Ordusu icinde + bulunan Ermeni gonullu alaylariyla Rus Ordularinin isgali altina giren + Ermeni koylerindeki silahli halk, Turk koylerine hucum ederek bu + koyleri yakip yikmislar ve Turk halkini hatira gelmeyen mezalim ve + iskence ile oldurmulerdir. + +p. 285. + +""Bu suretle sehirde 23 gun cok kanli olaylar cereyan etti, bu sure + sonunda Van, Ermeniler tarafindan tamamen isgal olundu. Buradan + kacabilen Turklerin, Ermenilerin davranislari hakkinda verdikleri + haberler tuyler urpertici idi. Cunku isyancilar halkin cogunu oldurmus, + kadinlarin irzina gecmis, Turk kadin ve kizlarini bazi evlerde + topladiktan sonra buralarini Genelev haline getirmislerdir. O zaman + Van'da 1500 kadar kadin ve cocuktan baska Turk kalmamis, bunlari da + oradaki Amerikalilar korumustur. Sehir bastan basa harab olmus, carsi + kamilen yanmisti."" + +Serdar Argic + + 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that + might serve as ways of escape for the Turks + and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' + (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) + 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists + a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) +";15;True +"From: cfj@ssd.intel.com (Charlie Johnson) +Subject: Re: LH car order delay +Nntp-Posting-Host: alaska +Organization: Intel Corporation +Lines: 23 + +In article <1993Apr2.135926.1@skcla.monsanto.com>, mas@skcla.monsanto.com writes: +|> I read an article in the 3/25 Chicago Tribune stating that Chrysler is +|> having problems addressing the demand for the 3.5L engine for it's LH +|> cars. Can anyone post how long they are waiting for an ordered car or +|> how long they have been told they'll have to wait?? +|> +|> Thanks! +|> +|> John Mas +|> +|> +|> E-Mail Address :: MAS@SKCLA.MONSANTO.COM +|> +I ordered an Intrepid ES on Jan 25th and haven't seen it yet. I called +a couple of weeks ago and was told 2-3 more weeks. It's probably time +to call again. +-- +Charles Johnson +Intel Corporation +Supercomputer Systems Division +MS CO1-01 +15201 NW Greenbrier Pkwy +Beaverton, OR 97006 phone: (503)629-7605 email: cfj@ssd.intel.com +";10;True +"From: jmeritt@mental.MITRE.ORG (Jim Meritt - System Admin) +Subject: Identity crisis (God == Satan?) +Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway +Lines: 5 +NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu + +II SAMUEL 24: And again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, +and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Isreal and Judah. + +I CHRONICLES 21: And SATAN stood up against Isreal, and provoked David to +number Israel. +";19;True +"From: betz@gozer.idbsu.edu (Andrew Betz) +Subject: Randy Weaver trial update: Day 4. +Nntp-Posting-Host: gozer +Organization: SigSauer Fan Club +Lines: 87 + +Note: These trial updates are summarized from reports in the +_Idaho Statesman_ and the local NBC affiliate television +station, KTVB Channel 7. + +Randy Weaver/Kevin Harris trial update: Day 4. + +Friday, April 16, 1993 was the fourth day of the trial. + +Synopsis: Defense attorney Gerry Spence cross-examined agent +Cooper under repeated objections from prosecutor Ronald +Howen. Spence moved for a mistrial but was denied. + +The day was marked by a caustic cross-examination of Deputy +Marshal Larry Cooper by defense attorney Gerry Spence. Although +Spence has not explicitly stated so, one angle of his stategy +must involve destroying the credibility of agent Cooper. Cooper is +the government's only eyewitness to the death of agent Degan. +Spence attacked Cooper's credibility by pointing out discrepancies +between Cooper's statements last September and those made in court. +Cooper conceded that, ""You have all these things compressed into +a few seconds...It's difficult to remember what went on first."" + +Cooper acknowledged that he carried a ""9mm Colt Commando submachine +gun with a silenced barrel."" [I thought a Colt Commando was a revolver!] +Cooper continued by stating that the federal agents had no specific +plans to use the weapon when they started to kill Weaver's dog. + +When Spence asked how seven cartridges could be fired by Degan's +M-16 rifle when Degan was apparently dead, Cooper could not say for +sure that Degan did not return fire before going down. + +Spence continued by asking with how many agents (and to what extent) +had Cooper discussed last August's events, Cooper responded, ""If +you're implying that we got our story together, you're wrong, +counselor."" Spence continued to advance the defense's version of +the events: Namely, that a marshal had started the shooting by +killing the Weaver's dog. Cooper disagreed. + +Assistant U.S. Attorney Ronald Howen repeatedly objected to Spence's +virulent cross-examination of agent Cooper, arguing that the questions +were repetitive and Spence was wasting time. Howen also complained +that Spence was improperly using a cross-examination to advance the +defense's version of the events. U.S. District Judge Edward Lodge +sustained many of the objections; however, both lawyers persisted +until Judge Lodge had the jury leave the room and proceded to +admonish both attorneys. ""I'm not going to play games with either +counsel. This has been a personality problem from day 1, so start +acting like professionals."" + +Spence told the judge that, ""When all the evidence is in, we'll see +that ... his [agent Larry Cooper] testimony is not credible, that +he was panicked and cannot remember the sequence of events."" +Spence continued, ""We're going to find...that there is a very unlikely +similarity - almost as if it had come out of a cookie cutter - between +the testimony of Mr. Cooper and the other witnesses."" + +Spence then moved for a mistrial on the grounds that Howen's repeated +objections would prevent a fair trial, ""We can't have a fair trial if the +jury believes I'm some sort of charlatan, if the jury believes I'm +bending the rules or engaging in some delaying tactic or that I'm +violating court orders."" + +Judge Lodge called the notion that his repeated sustainings of Howen's +objections had somehow prejudiced the jury was ""preposterous"" and +denied the motion for a mistrial. Lodge did tell Howen to restrict +his comments when objecting. + +The trial resumed with the prosecution calling FBI Special Agent Greg +Rampton. The prosecution's purpose was simply to introduce five +weapons found in the cabin as evidence: However, the defense seized +on the opportunity to further address Cooper's credibility. + +Defense attorney Ellison Matthews (Harris' other attorney) questioned +Rampton about the dog. Rampton stated that there were no specific +plans to kill the Weaver's dog without being detected. Matthews then +had Rampton read a Septtember 15, 1992 transcript in which Rampton +had said that Cooper had said that the purpose of the silenced weapon +was to kill the dog without being detected, if the dog chased them. +Rampton then acknowledged that he believed that Cooper had said that, +but he could not remember when. He then stated that, ""I did not conduct +the primary interview with Deputy Cooper, but I have had conversations +with him since the interview was conducted."" + +Monday, April 19, 1993 will begin the fifth day of the trial. Scheduled +is the continued cross-examination of FBI agent Greg Rampton. + + +";3;True +"From: markb@wc.novell.com (M. Burnham) +Subject: Re: Ducati 400 opinions wanted +Organization: Novell Inc. +Lines: 28 +X-Xxdate: Thu, 15 Apr 93 11:19:09 GMT +Nntp-Posting-Host: 130.57.72.65 +X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d12 + +In article <1qhm02$mbs@news.ysu.edu> Albion H. Bowers, ak954@yfn.ysu.edu +writes: +>Oh yeah, 12.10 at 108 mph in the quarter is such a slug. Come on, when was +>the last time you used your 750s max power peak? I think maybe you should +>ride one first, before passing judgement, there is a lot more than just +>maximum acceleration. + +I really didn't mean to imply that my Ninja was any better than a Duc. +I have to talked to a few Duc owners (750SS owners in particular) who +say that the power is something less than overwhelming. That said, +I would love to have a 900SS. I guess I should have been a bit more +specific. If you have something that weighs that same as the 750, go +for the extra cubes. + +I think that fact that I own a GTV-6 shows that I don't care about maximum +power (it's no slug though) to the exclusion of everything else. The note +and the handling are more important to me. I just bought a Ninja because I +couldn't afford a Duc. + +Didn't mean to ruffle any feathers, I'll probably be getting a 900SS next +year... + +- Mark + +------------------------------------------------------------------------ +Mark S. Burnham (markb@wc.novell.com) AMA#668966 DoD#0747 +Alfa Romeo GTV-6 '90 Ninja 750 +------------------------------------------------------------------------ +";7;True +"From: adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack) +Subject: Re: Syria's Expansion +Organization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University +Lines: 95 + +In article hallam@zeus02.desy.de writes: +> +>In article <1993Apr18.212610.5933@das.harvard.edu>, adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack) writes: + +>|>In article <18APR93.15729846.0076@VM1.MCGILL.CA> B8HA000 writes: + +>|>>1) Is Israel's occupation of Southern Lebanon temporary? + +>|> Israel has repeatedly stated that it will leave Lebanon when +>|>the Lebanese government can provide guarantees that Israel will not be +>|>attacked from Lebanese soil, and when the Syrians leave. + +>Not acceptable. Syria and Lebanon have a right to determine if +>they wish to return to the situation prior to the French invasion +>where they were both part of the same ""mandate territory"" - read +>colony. + + And Lebanon has a right to make this decision without Syrian +troops controlling the country. Until Syria leaves, and free +elections take place, its is rediculous to claim that the Lebanese +would even be involved in determining what happens to their country. + +>Israel has no right to determine what happens in Lebanon. Invading another +>country because you consider them a threat is precisely the way that almost +>all wars of aggression have started. + + I expect you will agree that the same holds true for Syria +having no right to be in Lebanon? + +>|> Israel has already annexed areas taken over in the 1967 war. +>|>These areas are not occupied, but disputed, since there is no +>|>legitamate governing body. Citizenship was given to those residents +>|>in annexed areas who wanted citizenship. + +>The UN defines them as occupied. They are recognised as such by every +>nation on earth (excluding one small caribean island). + + The UN also thought Zionism is racism. That fails to make it true. + +>|> The first reason was security. A large Jewish presense makes +>|>it difficult for terrorists to infiltrate. A Jewish settlements also +>|>act as fortresses in times of war. +> +>Theyu also are a liability. We are talking about civilian encampments that +>would last no more than hours against tanks, + + They lasted weeks against tanks in '48, and stopped those +tanks from advancing. They also lasted days in '73. There is little +evidence for the claim that they are military liabilities. + + They evidence is there to show that when infiltrations take +place over the Jordan river, the existance of large, patrolled +kibutzim forces terrorists into a very small area, where they are +usually picked up in the morning. + +>|> A second reason was political. Creating ""settlements"" brought +>|>the arabs to the negotiation table. Had the creation of new towns and +>|>cities gone on another several years, there would be no place left in +>|>Israel where there was an arab majority. There would have been no +>|>land left that could be called arab. + +>Don't fool yourself. It was the gulf war that brought the Israelis to the +>negotiating table. Once their US backers had a secure base in the gulf +>they insrtructed Shamir to negotiate or else. + + Nonsense. Israel has been trying to get its neighbors to the +negotiating table for 40 years. It was the gulf war that brought the +arabs to the table, not the Israelis. + +>|> The point is, there are many reasons people moved over the +>|>green line, and many reasons the government wanted them to. Whatever +>|>status is negotiated for disputed territories, it will not be an ""all +>|>or nothing"" deal. New boundaries will be drawn up by negotiation, not +>|>be the results of a war. + +>Unless the new boundaries drawn up are those of 48 there will be no peace. +>Araffat has precious little authority to agree to anything else. + + Nonsense. According to Arafat, Israel must be destroyed. He +has never come clean and denied that this is his plan. He always +waffles on what he means. + + ``When the Arabs set off their volcano, there will only be Arabs in + this part of the world. Our people will continue to fuel the torch + of the revolution with rivers of blood until the whole of the + occupied homeland is liberated...'' + --- Yasser Arafat, AP, 3/12/79 + + + + +Adam Shostack adam@das.harvard.edu + +""If we had a budget big enough for drugs and sexual favors, we sure +wouldn't waste them on members of Congress..."" -John Perry Barlow +";15;True +"From: ins559n@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (Andrew Bulhak) +Subject: Re: 666 - MARK OF THE BEAST - NEED INFO +Organization: Monash University +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] +Lines: 14 + + (U28698@uicvm.uic.edu) wrote: +: Marian CATHOLIC high school, outside of chicago: +: +: 666 south ASHLAND avenue. +: +Actually, Satanism is technically inverted Catholicism. + + ++---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +| Andrew Bulhak | :plonk: n. The sound of Richard Depew | +| acb@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au | hitting the ground after being | +| Monash Uni, Clayton, | defenestrated by a posse of angry Usenet | +| Victoria, Australia | posters. | ++---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +";19;True +"From: jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Josh Hopkins) +Subject: Re: Conference on Manned Lunar Exploration. May 7 Crystal City +Distribution: na +Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana +Lines: 33 + +higgins@fnalf.fnal.gov (Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey) writes: + +>(Josh Hopkins) writes: +>> I remeber reading the comment that General Dynamics was tied into this, in +>> connection with their proposal for an early manned landing. + +>The General Chairman is Paul Bialla, who is some official of General +>Dynamics. + +>The emphasis seems to be on a scaled-down, fast plan to put *people* +>on the Moon in an impoverished spaceflight-funding climate. You'd +>think it would be a golden opportunity to do lots of precusor work for +>modest money using an agressive series of robot spacecraft, but +>there's not a hint of this in the brochure. + +It may be that they just didn't mention it, or that they actually haven't +thought about it. I got the vague impression from their mission proposal +that they weren't taking a very holistic aproach to the whole thing. They +seemed to want to land people on the Moon by the end of the decade without +explaining why, or what they would do once they got there. The only application +I remember from the Av Week article was placing a telescope on the Moon. That's +great, but they don't explain why it can't be done robotically. + +>> Hrumph. They didn't send _me_ anything :( + +>You're not hanging out with the Right People, apparently. + +But I'm a _member_. Besides Bill, I hang out with you :) + +-- +Josh Hopkins jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu + ""Find a way or make one."" + -attributed to Hannibal +";2;True +"From: will@futon.webo.dg.com (Will Taber) +Subject: Re: Question about Virgin Mary +Lines: 31 + +ddavis@cass.ma02.bull.com (Dave Davis) writes: + +[ Much deletion. He is trying to explain the Immaculate Conception +and the Assumption of Mary.] + +> 'Original sin' is the only reason (fallen) humanity +> dies. Adam and Eve would not have died had they +> not fallen. + +If this is true than why in the Genesis story is God concerned that +Adam and Eve might also eat from the Tree of Life and live forever and +be like gods? Eating of the tree of life would not take away the +effects of eating of the Tree of Knowledge. Is there any reason to +assume that they had already eaten of the Tree of Life and so had +already attained to eternal life? If so, what basis is there for +saying that this was taken away from them? To me the wages of sin are +a spiritual death, not necessarily a physical death. I +can attest to the truth of this interpretation from my own experience. +I suspect that many others could attest to this as well. + +Peace +Will + +---------------------------------------------------------------------------- +| William Taber | Will_Taber@dg.com | Any opinions expressed | +| Data General Corp. | will@futon.webo.dg.com | are mine alone and may | +| Westboro, Mass. 01580 | | change without notice. | +|--------------------------------------------------------------------------- +| When all your dreams are laid to rest, you can get what's second best, | +| But it's hard to get enough. David Wilcox | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------- +";17;True +"From: ab245@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Sam Latonia) +Subject: Re: 17"" Monitors +Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) +Lines: 10 +NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu + + +I have a Sony 1604S 17"" monitor and I don't see any lines across +the screen and am only using the non interlaced mode. +But because of the hor. lines and poping that I do see and hear +when I am usinf 800x600x256 and 1024x768x256 modes and switch back +to anything of less. I would not buy another Sony at what ever price. +Oh ya this is I guess a 15"" viewing area. It don't impress me one bit! Sam +-- +Gosh..I think I just installed a virus..It was called MS DOS6... +Don't copy that floppy..BURN IT...I just love Windows...CRASH... +";5;True +"From: cotera@woods.ulowell.edu +Subject: Re: Biblical Backing of Koresh's 3-02 Tape (Cites enclosed) +Lines: 38 +Organization: University of Massachusetts Lowell + +In article <1r17j9$5ie@sbctri.sbc.com>, netd@susie.sbc.com () writes: +> In article <20APR199301460499@utarlg.uta.edu> b645zaw@utarlg.uta.edu (stephen) writes: +>>For those who think David Koresh didn't have a solid structure, +>>or sound Biblical backing for his hour long tape broadcast, +> +> I don't think anyone really cares about the solid structure of his +> sermon. It's the deaths he's responsible for that concern most people. + +I assume you have evidence that he was responsible for the deaths? + +> Koresh was a nut, okay? + +Again, I'd like to see some evidence. + +> I'll type this very slowly so that you can understand. He either set +> the fire himself or told his followers to do so. Don't make him out to +> be a martyr. He did not ""get killed"", he killed himself. + +Once again, where's your proof? Suicide is considered a sin by Branch +Davidians. Also, Koresh said over and over again that he was not going to +commit suicide. Furthermore, all the cult experts said that he was not +suicidal. David Thibedeau (sp?), one of the cult members, said that the fire +was started when one of the tanks spraying the tear gas into the facilities +knocked over a lantern. + +> The evil was inside the compound. + +Evidence please? + +> All that ""thou shalt not kill"" stuff. + +I'd like to point out that the Bible says ""Do not commit murder."" The NKJ +translation mistranslates. Self-defense was never considered murder. The +reason why they were stockpiling weapons is because they were afraid the +government would try something. Their fears were obviously well founded. +--Ray Cote + +There's no government like no government. +";19;True +"From: ckincy@cs.umr.edu (Charles Kincy) +Subject: Re: Pgp, PEM, and RFC's (Was: Cryptography Patents) +Nntp-Posting-Host: next4.cs.umr.edu +Organization: University of Missouri - Rolla, Rolla, MO +Lines: 19 + +In article <1993Apr16.001321.3692@natasha.portal.com> bob@natasha.portal.com (Bob Cain) writes: + +>: I hope my cynicism is misplaced here. Go ahead...I'm not afraid to +>: be wrong every once in a while. But, I have an uneasy feeling that I +>: am right. :( +> +>It is and you are wrong yet you emotionally state a bunch of crap as fact +>with a tiny disclaimer at the end. Check your facts first and grow up. +>Why is there such a strong correlation between interest in cryptography +>and immaturity I wonder. + +Oh, I see, flame someone, tell them that they are immature, tell them +they are wrong, and then don't offer any proof for your assertions. + +You really *are* a putz. Put up or shut up. + +cpk +-- +It's been 80 days. Do you know where your wallet is? +";16;True +"From: wcd82671@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (daniel warren c) +Subject: Splitfire Plugs... Kinda Offical... +Summary: Supposed ""Higher power output"". +Distribution: rec.motorcycles +Keywords: Using Splitfire plugs for performance. +Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana +Lines: 54 + + +Yo, Whaz up!!! + +Earlier, I was reading on the net about using Splitfire plugs. One +guy was thinking about it and almost everybody shot him to hell. Well, +I saw one think that someone said about ""Show me a team that used Split- +fires...."" Well, here's some additional insight and some theories +about splitfire plugs and how they boost us as oppossed to cages. + +Splitfires were originally made to burn fuel more efficiently and +increased power for the 4x4 cages. Well, for these guys, splitfires +increased performance by increasing TORQUE. They weren't focusing +on horsepower numbers. + +Now how does this related to us high performance pilots? Well, that +depends. Do you pilot a high performance 2- or 4-cylinder machine? +In the case of 4-cylinders, splitfires would increase overall torque, +but 4's make more top end horsepower with its torque packed down low. +So for 4's, splitfires would not significantly increase power. + +But what about twins?... Many of you 4 guys laugh at some of us twins, +but many times we carry less weight which sometimes can make up for +the hp loss (see Doug Polen vs. Scott Russell, Daytona 1992). However, +twins make more torque thoughout their powerbands. So how does this +translate? Increased torque should ""theoretically"" help twins make +more power. Splitfire claims that there should be not extra mods +or anything made, just stick 'em in. + +Now I don't know about all of this (and I'm trying to catch up with +somebody about it now), but Splitfires should help twins more than +4's. + +As far as racing teams.... Ducati team ""Fast by Ferraci"" used +splitfires in the 1989 season (this is when they had Jamie James +running for em), but I don't know why they stopped since then. +Also, somebody check to see if they had them in 88..... + +Peace. + +Warren +wcd82671@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu +""Have Suzuki, will travel..."" + +At a local ""fix-er-up-er"" shop, the bike repairest looked at a +dumped ZX-7. Then he asked the guy... + +""What happened..."" ""I dumped the clutch..."" +""How fast..."" ""Pretty fast..."" +""Insurance..."" ""Nope."" + +The fixer smiled..... + +""What do you know about bikes?"" ""Not much....."" + +";7;True +"From: gwni@troi.cc.rochester.edu (G. Wayne Nichols) +Subject: Help! Ten beeps with 386/40 (AMI BIOS) +Summary: What error is signalled by 10 beeps at power-up? +Keywords: 386/40 AMI 10 beeps +Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York +Lines: 9 +Nntp-Posting-Host: troi.cc.rochester.edu + +I have a 386/40 motherboard with AMI BIOS. +I haven't located the little motherboard manual yet, +and suddenly it's giving me 10 beeps when I turn the power on. +It was working fine this morning, +then gave all kinds of problems, in Windows and outside it. +After multiple reboots, now it only gives 10 beeps and sits there? + +Anybody know what 10 beeps means? +Thanks. +";5;True +"From: kens@lsid.hp.com (Ken Snyder) +Subject: Re: GGRRRrrr!! Cages double-parking motorcycles pisses me off! +Article-I.D.: hpscit.1qkomb$c22 +Distribution: world +Organization: Hewlett Packard Santa Clara Site +Lines: 16 +NNTP-Posting-Host: labkas.lsid.hp.com +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8.10] + +Reading all you folks things to do to illegally parked cars made me +wonder who's going to carry cinder blocks on a bike(?!?!?) or is +ready to do serious damage (key carvings etc.) to a cage. Then I +had an idea--chain lube isn't just for chain's anymore!!! It seems +more reasonable to me, no permanent damage but lots of work to get +off! (Don't ask me how I know :) Use it anywhere, the windshield, +the door handles, in the keyhole, etc. What a nasty mood I'm in. +It's raining again... + + _______________________ K _ E _ N ____________________________ +| | +| Ken Snyder ms/loc: 330 / UN2 | +| Hewlett-Packard Co. LSID : Lake Stevens Instrument Div. | +| 8600 Soper Hill Road gte/tn: (206) 335-2253 / 335-2253 | +| Everett, WA 98205-1298 un-ix : kens@lsid.hp.com | +|______________________________________________________________| +";7;True +"From: dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) +Subject: FORGED POSTING -- FORGED POSTING -- FORGED POSTING +Summary: usually generated by those who can't live with themselves! +Organization: S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies +Lines: 37 + + +THE FOLLOWING POSTING WAS FORGED IN MY NAME! PLEASE IGNORE SUCH POSTINGS! + +[FORGED] Newsgroups:soc.culture.turkish,talk.politics.mideast,talk.politics. +[FORGED] soviet,soc.culture.greek +[FORGED] From: dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) +[FORGED] News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 +[FORGED] Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center +[FORGED] Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1993 21:36:00 GMT +[FORGED] Lines: 293 +[FORGED] +[FORGED] Dear friends, +[FORGED] +[FORGED] I am a graduate student in Education at the University of Tennessee. +[FORGED] + . + . + . +[FORGED] +[FORGED] +[FORGED] __QUESTIONNAIRE__ +[FORGED] Teaching Music for deaf children. +[FORGED] +[FORGED] NAME ________________________________ +[FORGED] ADDRESS/ E-MAIL _____________________ +[FORGED] EMPLOYING INSTITUTION _______________ +[FORGED] YEARS OF EXPERIENCE_________ GRADE LEVEL(S)____ +[FORGED] EDUCATIONAL BACKGROUND:BACHELOR__ MASTERS__ DOCTORATE__ +[FORGED] PROFESSIONAL FIELD:SPECIAL EDUC.__ MUSIC EDUC.__ OTHER*__ + +THE ABOVE POSTING WAS FORGED IN MY NAME! PLEASE IGNORE SUCH POSTINGS! + +-- +David Davidian dbd@urartu.sdpa.org | ""How do we explain Turkish troops on +S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies | the Armenian border, when we can't +P.O. Box 382761 | even explain 1915?"" +Cambridge, MA 02238 | Turkish MP, March 1992 +";15;True +"From: d88-jwa@hemul.nada.kth.se (Jon Wtte) +Subject: Re: [ NETWORKING ] How to get 10 Ma +Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden +Lines: 24 +Nntp-Posting-Host: hemul.nada.kth.se + +In <92.2bd1cd0c@axolotl> Steed.Bell@macrocosm.omahug.org (Steed Bell) writes: + +>networked together using Appletalk and PhoneNet connectors. To chat we use a +>program called 'Broadcast'. With it we can send brief messages to all or +>selected machines within the network. + +If you use System 7, you can use my application Zing which has +a 30 kB footprint (meaning you can have it running all the time +without losing memory) + +It is also compatible with the chat program ""FishBomb"" which allows +sounds and pictures as well. + +Both are, as far as I know, freeware (I dustribute Zing with source) +and should be available on the normal services (mac.archive.umich.edu +for instance) + +Cheers, + + / h+ +-- + -- Jon W{tte, h+@nada.kth.se, Mac Hacker Deluxe -- + This signature is kept shorter than 4 lines in the interests of UseNet + S/N ratio. +";0;True +"From: vsloutsk@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Vladimir Sloutsky) +Subject: Apartment for Rent in Russia +Nntp-Posting-Host: bottom.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu +Organization: The Ohio State University +Lines: 14 + + Apartment for rent in downtown Moscow!!! + +2- room furnished apartment in a very nice location. 5 minutes walk to +Belorusskaya subway station. Walking distance to Kremlin, major shopping +centers, theaters, restaurants, and government buildings. + +Available in early June. + +Please, call: + +(614)-459-4256 + +or send E-mail: +vsloutsk@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu +";8;True +"From: prb@access.digex.com (Pat) +Subject: Re: Eco-Freaks forcing Space Mining. +Organization: Express Access Online Communications USA +Lines: 25 +NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net + +In article <1993Apr23.001718.1@aurora.alaska.edu> nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu writes: +>In article <1r6b7v$ec5@access.digex.net>, prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes: +>> Besides this was the same line of horse puckey the mining companies claimed +>> when they were told to pay for restoring land after strip mining. +>=== +>I aint talking the large or even the ""mining companies"" I am talking the small +>miners, the people who have themselves and a few employees (if at all).The +>people who go out every year and set up thier sluice box, and such and do +>mining the semi-old fashion way.. (okay they use modern methods toa point). + + +Lot's of these small miners are no longer miners. THey are people living +rent free on Federal land, under the claim of being a miner. The facts are +many of these people do not sustaint heir income from mining, do not +often even live their full time, and do fotentimes do a fair bit +of environmental damage. + +These minign statutes were created inthe 1830's-1870's when the west was +uninhabited and were designed to bring people into the frontier. Times change +people change. DEAL. you don't have a constitutional right to live off +the same industry forever. Anyone who claims the have a right to their +job in particular, is spouting nonsense. THis has been a long term +federal welfare program, that has outlived it's usefulness. + +pat +";2;True +"From: mjw19@cl.cam.ac.uk (M.J. Williams) +Subject: Re: Rumours about 3DO ??? +Keywords: 3DO ARM QT Compact Video +Reply-To: mjw19@cl.cam.ac.uk +Organization: The National Society for the Inversion of Cuddly Tigers +Lines: 32 +Nntp-Posting-Host: earith.cl.cam.ac.uk + +In article <2BD07605.18974@news.service.uci.edu> rbarris@orion.oac.uci.edu (Robert C. Barris) writes: +> We +>got to see the unit displaying full-screen movies using the CompactVideo codec +>(which was nice, very little blockiness showing clips from Jaws and Backdraft) +>... and a very high frame rate to boot (like 30fps). + +Acorn Replay running on a 25MHz ARM 3 processor (the ARM 3 is about 20% slower +than the ARM 6) does this in software (off a standard CD-ROM). 16 bit colour at +about the same resolution (so what if the computer only has 8 bit colour +support, real-time dithering too...). The 3D0/O is supposed to have a couple of +DSPs - the ARM being used for housekeeping. + +>I'm not sure how a Centris/20MHz 040 stacks up against the 25 MHz ARM in +>the 3DO box. Obviously the ARM is faster, but how much? + +A 25MHz ARM 6xx should clock around 20 ARM MIPS, say 18 flat out. Depends +really on the surrounding system and whether you are talking ARM6x or ARM6xx +(the latter has a cache, and so is essential to run at this kind of speed with +slower memory). + +I'll stop saying things there 'cos I'll hopefully be working for ARM after +graduation... + +Mike + +PS Don't pay heed to what reps from Philips say; if the 3D0/O doesn't beat the + pants off 3DI then I'll eat this postscript. +-- +____________________________________________________________________________ +\ / / Michael Williams Part II Computer Science Tripos +|\/|\/\ MJW19@phx.cam.ac.uk University of Cambridge +| |(__)Cymdeithas Genedlaethol Traddodiad Troi Teigrod Mwythus Ben I Waered +";1;True +"From: rjh@allegra.att.com (Robert Holt) +Subject: Re: DAVE KINGMAN FOR THE HALL OF FAME +Keywords: Hall of Fame, Winfield, Kingman, Murray, Joe Lundy, :-) +Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill, NJ +Distribution: na +Lines: 14 + +In article mss@netcom.com (Mark Singer) writes: +> +>I'm no Kingman fan. Just thought I'd point out that he's the +>only player in history to have five three-HR games. Joe Carter +>has four. Eddie Murray three. McCovey and Gehrig also three. +>Ruth, Mays, Foxx and Dawson two each. + +Johnny Mize had six three-HR games, which is the current record. + +-- ++-----------------------+ +| Bob Holt | +| rjh@allegra.att.com | ++-----------------------+ +";14;True +"From: JEK@cu.nih.gov +Subject: When are two people married +Lines: 128 + +LISTOWNER: I have sent this to Mr Anderson privately. Post it only +if you think it of general interest. + +Here is a copy of something I wrote for another list. You may +find it relevant. + +A listmember asks: + + > What makes common-law marriages wrong? + +A common-law marriage is not necessarily wrong in itself. There is +nothing in the Bible (Old or New Testament) about getting married by +a preacher, or by a priest (Jewish or Christian). And in fact Jewish +priests have never had any connection with weddings. + +There is a common notion that the marriage is performed by the +clergyman. In fact, the traditional Christian view (at least in the +West) is that the bride and groom are the ministers of the marriage, +and that the clergyman is there only as a witness. + +HOWEVER! + +The essential ingredient of a marriage is mutual commitment. Two +persons are considered to be married if and only if they have bound +themselves by mutual promises to live together as husband and wife, +forsaking all others, till death do them part. + + The reason why those who have reason to be concerned about who +is married to whom have always insisted on some kind of public +ceremony is in order that society, and the couple themselves, may be +clear about whether a commitment has been made. + +Suppose that we do away with the public ceremony, the standard vows, +etc. Instead, we have a man and a woman settling down to live +together. + After a year or so, the man says to the woman: Hey, honey, it +was great while it lasted, but I think it's time to move on. + She says: What are you talking about? + He says: I am leaving you and looking for someone prettier and +younger. + She says: But you can't. We are married! + He says: What are you talking about? We never got married. + She says: I remember distinctly what you said to me the night +we first made love. You said: ""My love for you is as deep as the +ocean, as eternal as the stars. As long as I live, I am yours, +utterly and completely. When I lie on my deathbed, my last feeble +breath will utter your name. My..."" + He says: Oh that! That was just rhetoric. Just poetry. When a +man is in a romantic mood, he is bound to say all kinds of silly +things like that. You mustn't take them literally. + +And that is why you have an insistence on a formal ceremony that is +a matter of public record. + The Church insists on it, because it is her duty (among other +things) to give moral advice, and you cannot give a man moral advice +about his relations with a woman if you have no idea who is married +to whom, if anybody, and vice versa. + The State insists on it, since the state has a concern with +property rights, with child care and support, and therefore needs to +know who has made what commitments to whom. + Prospective fathers-in-law insist on it, because they don't +want their daughters seduced and abandoned. + Prospective spouses insist on it, because they want to make +sure they know whether what they are hearing is a real commitment, +or just ""poetry."" + And persons making vows themselves insist on making them +formally and publicly, in order that they may be clear in their own +minds about what it is that they are doing, and may know themselves +that this is not just rhetoric. This is the real thing. + + Hence the insistence on a formal public explicit avowal of the +marriage commitment. The Church goes further and insists that, when +Christians marry, a clergyman shall be present at the wedding and +record the vows on behalf of the Church, not because it is +impossible to have a valid wedding without a clergyman, but in order +to make sure that the couple understand what the Christian teaching +about marriage is, and that they are in fact promising to be married +in a Christian sense. The Church also prefers a standard marriage +vow, and is wary of letting couples Write their own vows, for much +the same reason that lawyers prefer standard terminology when they +draw up a will or a contract. Certain language has been repeatedly +used in wills, and one can be sure how the courts will interpret it. +Try to say the same thing in your own words, and you may find that +the probate judge's interpretation of them is not at all what you +intended. Similarly, the Church prefers to avoid endless debates +about whether ""You are my main squeeze"" and ""I am here for the long +haul"" do in fact cover the same territory as ""forsaking all others"" +and ""till death do us part."" + + This topic has come up on the list before. (Is there any topic +that hasn't?) One listmember was asking, ""If a couple love each +other and are living together, isn't that marriage in the eyes of +God?"" Eventually someone asked, ""In that case, what is their status +if they break up? Is that the moral equivalent of getting a divorce? +Are they in a relationship that God forbids either of them to walk +out on? "" The original questioner said: ""Good grief, I never thought +of that!"" In fact, there are reasonable grounds for suspecting that +someone who says, ""We don't need a piece of paper or a ceremony in +front of a judge or a preacher in order to show that we love each +other,"" is trying to have it both ways -- to have the advantages of +marriage plus the option of changing his mind with a minimum of +bother. + +At this point someone may say, ""None of this applies to me and my +mate. We are quite clear on the fact that we have assumed a lifelong +commitment, 'for better or worse, forsaking all others, till death +us do part.' So in our case, no ceremony is needed."" + To this my reply would be: The reason for requiring a driver's +license is to keep dangerous drivers off the road. What is wrong in +itself is not the existence of unlicensed drivers, but the existence +of dangerous drivers. However, testing and licensing drivers is an +obvious and reasonable means of pursuing the goal of reducing the +number of dangerous drivers on the road. Therefore the State rightly +makes and enforces such laws, and you the citizen have a positive +moral obligation to refrain from driving without a license no matter +how much of a hotshot behind the wheel you think you are. + +Back to the original question. We have a listmember who knows a +couple who have been living together for around 20 years. He asks: +At what point did they stop fornicating and start being married? I +answer: at the point, if any, where they both definitely and +explicitly accepted an obligation to be faithful to each other, for +better or worse, as long as they both lived. If they have accepted +such an obligation, what are their reasons for not being willing to +declare it in front of, say, a justice of the peace? + + Yours, + James Kiefer +";17;True +"From: terziogl@ee.rochester.edu (Esin Terzioglu) +Subject: Re: ARMENIA SAYS IT COULD SHOOT DOWN TURKISH PLANES +Organization: Univ of Rochester, College of Engineering and Applied Science +Lines: 33 + +In article <1993Apr19.155856.8260@kpc.com> henrik@quayle.kpc.com writes: +>In article <1993Apr17.185118.10792@ee.rochester.edu>, terziogl@ee.rochester.edu (Esin Terzioglu) writes: +>|> In article <1993Apr16.195452.21375@urartu.sdpa.org> dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) writes: +>|> >04/16/93 1045 ARMENIA SAYS IT COULD SHOOT DOWN TURKISH PLANES +>|> > +>|> +>|> Ermenistan kasiniyor... +>|> +>|> Let me translate for everyone else before the public traslation service gets +>|> into it : Armenia is getting itchy. +>|> +>|> Esin. +> +> +>Let me clearify Mr. Turkish; +> +>ARMENIA is NOT getting ""itchy"". SHE is simply LETTING the WORLD KNOW that SHE +>WILL NO LONGER sit there QUIET and LET TURKS get away with their FAMOUS +>tricks. Armenians DO REMEMBER of the TURKISH invasion of the Greek island of + ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +>CYPRESS WHILE the world simply WATCHED. + ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ + +Your ignorance is obvious from your posting. + +1) Cyprus was an INDEPENDENT country with Turkish/Greek inhabitants (NOT a + Greek island like your ignorant posting claims) + +2) The name should be Cyprus (in English) + +next time read and learn before you post. + +Esin. +";15;True +"From: ching@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (""The Logistician"") +Subject: #77's? +Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute +Lines: 11 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: bigwpi.wpi.edu + + +I am in need of all of the players wearing #77 in the NHL. I know now only +of one, Ray Borque for the Bruins. Any help would be greatly appreciated. + +Thanx. + +-- +------------------------THE LOGISTICIAN REIGNS SUPREME!!!---------------------- +| | +| GO BLUE!!! GO TIGERS!!! GO PISTONS!!! GO LIONS!!! GO RED WINGS!!! | +-------------------------------ching@wpi.wpi.edu------------------------------- +";13;True +"From: gidi@Hilbert.Stanford.EDU (Gidi Avrahami) +Subject: Re: Jewish Baseball Players? +Organization: Brotherhood Of Breath +Lines: 8 + +I thought that Walt Weiss was jewish. I seem to recall this +was mentioned once while he was still at Oakland. + +Also, I have my suspicions about Esther Canseco (nee Haddad). + + +--Gidi + +";14;True +"From: jxu@black.clarku.edu (Dark Wing Duck!!) +Subject: Bosox win again! (the team record is 9-3) +Organization: Clark University (Worcester, MA) +Lines: 8 + +Today, Frank Viola and rest of pitcher staff of Boston Red Sox shutout Chicago +White Sox 4-0. It is Red Sox 9th win of this season. + +So far, Red Sox won all the games Roger and Frank V. pitched (6-0) and 3-3 +when other three starters were pitching. Tomorrow, Dopson will pitch again +(have a good first start and rocky second start). I wonder that Bosox can +play over 500 ball without Roger and Frank V. + +";14;True +"From: barrett@lucy.ee.und.ac.za (Alan Barrett) +Subject: Re: White House Public Encryption Management Fact Sheet +Organization: Elec. Eng., Univ. Natal, Durban, S. Africa +Lines: 19 +Distribution: inet +NNTP-Posting-Host: lucy.ee.und.ac.za + +In article , +clipper@csrc.ncsl.nist.gov (Clipper Chip Announcement) writes: +> Distribution: na + +No thanks. This topic is of interest to a much wider audience. + +> In making this decision, I do +> not intend to prevent the private sector from developing, or the +> government from approving, other microcircuits or algorithms that +> are equally effective in assuring both privacy and a secure key- +> escrow system. + +""In making this decision, I intend to prevent the private sector from +developing, except with the government's approval, other microcircuits +or algorithms that are more effective in assuring privacy."" + +--apb +Alan Barrett, Dept. of Electronic Eng., Univ. of Natal, Durban, South Africa +RFC822: barrett@ee.und.ac.za +";16;True +"From: klf@druwa.ATT.COM (FranklinKL) +Subject: Re: Hell-mets. +Summary: Visual damage is NOT an indicator. +Lines: 50 + +In article <1993Apr18.035125.29930@freenet.carleton.ca>, aa963@Freenet.carleton.ca (Lloyd Carr) writes: +> +> In a previous article, maven@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) says: +> +> > +> > +> > If I don't end up replacing it in the real near future, would I do better +> >to wear my (totally nondamaged) 3/4 face DOT-RATED cheapie which doesn't fit +> >as well or keep out the wind as well, or wearing the Shoei RF-200 which is a +> >LOT more comfortable, keeps the wind out better, is quieter... but might +> >have some minor damage? +> +> == Wear the RF200. Even after a few drops & paint chips, it is FAR better +> than no helmet or a poorly fitting one. I've had many scratches & bangs +> which have been repaired plus I'm still confident of the protection the +> helmet will continue to give me. Only when you actually see depressions + +> or actual cracks (using a magnifying glass) should you consider replacement. + +> -- + +This is not good advice. A couple of years I was involved in a low-speed +getoff in which I landed on my back on the pavement. My head (helmeted) +hit the pavement with a ""clunk"", leaving a couple of dings and chips in the +paint at the point of impact, but no other visible damage. I called the +helmet manufacturer and inquired about damage. They said that the way a +fiberglass shell works is to first give, then delaminate, then crack. +This is the way fiberglass serves to spread the force of the impact over a +wider area. After the fiberglass has done its thing, the crushable foam +liner takes care of absorbing (hopefully) the remaining impact force. +They told me that the second stage of fiberglass functionality (delamination +of the glass/resin layers) can occur with NO visible signs, either inside or +outside of the helmet. They suggested that I send them the helmet and they +would inspect it (including X-raying). I did so. They sent back the helmet +with a letter stating that that they could find no damage that would +compromise the ability of the helmet to provide maximum protection. +(I suspect that this letter would eliminate their being able to claim +prior damage to the helmet in the event I were to sue them.) + +The bottom line, though, is that it appears that a helmets integrity +can be compromised with no visible signs. The only way to know for sure +is to send it back and have it inspected. Note that some helmet +manufacturers provide inspections services and some do not. Another point +to consider when purchasing a lid. + +-- +Ken Franklin They say there's a heaven for people who wait +AMA And some say it's better but I say it ain't +GWRRA I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints +DoD #0126 The sinners are lots more fun, Y'know only the good die young +";7;True +"From: bethd@netcom.com (Beth Dixon) +Subject: Re: Ducati 400 opinions wanted +Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) +Lines: 42 + +In article frankb@sad.hp.com (Frank Ball) writes: +>Godfrey DiGiorgi (ramarren@apple.com) wrote: +>& +>& The Ducati 400 model is essentially a reduced displacement 750, which +>& means it weighs the same and is the same size as the 750 with far less +>& power. It is produced specifically to meet a vehicle tax restriction +> +>The Ducati 750 model is essentially a reduced displacement 900, which +>means it weighs the same and is the same size as the 900 with far less +>power. And less brakes. +Bzzzt. The 750SS is 40 pounds lighter than the 900SS. I personally, +and recently, witnessed my 750SS do a stoppie with a larger-than- +average rider aboard. He said it took two fingers on that measely +single front disk to accomplish the task. How much more brake do +you need? + +>As such, it's somewhat large and overweight for its motor. It will +>still handle magnificently, it just won't be very fast. There are +>very few other flaws to mention; the limited steering lock is the +>annoyance noted by most testers. And the mirrors aren't perfect. +I haven't gone over 4000 rpm yet (still in break in) and haven't +had a problem with the 750SS being too slow. The limited steering +lock can be a problem if you aren't prepared for it. The mirrors +are very good, IMHO. Someone forgot to tell their designer about +the ""whazza behind you, she no matta"" philosophy. + +>Hewlett Packard (707) 794-3844 fax, (707) 538-3693 home +>1212 Valley House Drive IT175, XT350, Seca 750, '62 F-100, PL510 +Hmmmm. I don't see a 400, 750 _or_ 900SS in your .sig. Did I miss +something? + +Beth + +================================================================= +Beth [The One True Beth] Dixon bethd@netcom.com +1981 Yamaha SR250 ""Excitable Girl"" DoD #0384 +1979 Yamaha SR500 ""Spike the Garage Rat"" FSSNOC #1843 +1992 Ducati 750SS AMA #631903 +1963 Ducati 250 Monza -- restoration project 1KQSPT = 1.8 +""I can keep a handle on anything just this side of deranged."" + -- ZZ Top +================================================================= +";7;True +"From: acollins@uclink.berkeley.edu (Andy Collins) +Subject: Voltage regulation and current limiting +Organization: University of California, Berkeley +Lines: 37 +NNTP-Posting-Host: uclink.berkeley.edu +Summary: Need help!!! + +One not-so-quick question to throw out there for you guys... + +For our class project, we need to design and build a power supply +to the following specs: + +Voltatge: adjustable from 1-12V +Current: *limited* at 1A + +Voltage must stay within 2% of designated value for I from 0-1A +AC ripple less than 5 mV (rms) + +Of course, we can't just use an adjustable voltage, current-limiting +regulator chip ;^) + +Our problem is with the current limiting (i.e. we've found stuff to +do the rest of the parts of the circuit). What the supply must do, +if presented with a load which would draw more than 1A, given the +supply voltage, is reduce the voltage so that the current will equal +one amp. Thus, if we were to short the thing with the ammeter, we +should read one amp. If we measure the current through a 1 ohm +resistor at 12V, we should read one amp (and the output voltage, by +necessity, must be 1V. + +The only basic idea we have seen for the current limiter involves +a circuit which will pull current off of the base of the output +power transistor, and therefore reduce the output. + +So, does anybody have any ideas we could work from? + +Thanks in advance. + +Andy Collins, KC6YEY +acollins@uclink.berkeley.edu + +ps: If anybody wants to flame this as a stupid project, I agree fully, + but I still have to do it, its graded ;^) + +";11;True +"From: lorne@sun.com (Lorne R. Johnson - Sun IC Region SE) +Subject: WARRIORS TICKETS FOR SALE +Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. +Lines: 22 +Distribution: ca +Reply-To: lorne@sun.com +NNTP-Posting-Host: normajean.west.sun.com + + + ***************************** + * WARRIORS TICKETS FOR SALE * + ***************************** + +I have 2 tickets that I can't use (Last pair this year). + +Section 109, Row P, Seats 8 & 9 + +DAY DATE OPPONENT TIME +--- ---- -------- ---- +WED 4/21 Sacremento 7:30 + +Price: $45.00 = MY COST + +Call or email if you are interested in these tickets. + + +Lorne Johnson +lorne@sun.com +(408) 562-6003 + +";8;True +"From: a137490@lehtori.cc.tut.fi (Aario Sami) +Subject: Re: Genocide is Caused by Atheism +Organization: Tampere University of Technology, Computing Centre +Lines: 16 +Distribution: sfnet +NNTP-Posting-Host: cc.tut.fi + +In kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) writes: + +> ""Wait. You just said that humans are rarely reasonable. Doesn't that +> contradict atheism, where everything is explained through logic and +> reason? This is THE contradiction in atheism that proves it false."" +> --- Bobby Mozumder proving the existence of Allah, #2 + +Does anybody have Bobby's post in which he said something like ""I don't +know why there are more men than women in islamic countries. Maybe it's +atheists killing the female children""? It's my personal favorite! + +-- +Sami Aario | ""Can you see or measure an atom? Yet you can explode +a137490@cc.tut.fi | one. Sunlight is comprised of many atoms."" +-------------------' ""Your stupid minds! Stupid, stupid!"" +Eros in ""Plan 9 From Outer Space"" DISCLAIMER: I don't agree with Eros. +";9;True +"From: thompson@apple.com (Paul Thompson) +Subject: Tickets - advice is worth what you paid +Organization: Apple Computer, Inc., Cupertino, California +Lines: 28 +Distribution: ca + +I can't think of another subject that generates as much contradictory +advice as traffic laws and their enforcement. Everybody's got an +opinion and is dead certain they are right. Yet acurate information is +extremely difficult to come by. The DMV doesn't know. Cops don't +know. Your traffic school instructor doesn't know. The vehicle code +only tells part of the story. Judges choose to interpret the laws in a +wide variety of ways. And the public at large? I seldom hear any +advice that doesn't disagree with something I've experienced. + +If you don't believe me I suggest you get a copy of the vehicle code, +study it, and then sit in on a day or two of court and see what really +happens. Read ""Fight Your Ticket"" too, but don't miss the little +section at the end where it says your chances are lousy and you're +basically screwed. + +As you may have guessed, I'm pretty down on the system here in +California. I've carefully prepared for court, bringing witnesses and +revealing serious holes in the officer's story, only to be slapped with +the maximum allowable fine (plus assessments of over 100%) - the +message clear that the judge does not appreciate John Q Public trying +his own cases. + +So here's my advice when you find yourself with a ticket: Take traffic +school if you can. If it's a serious matter get a lawyer. A lawyer +can present the exact same case as you, the difference is the +sentence. +-- +Paul Thompson Apple Computer +";7;True +"From: cyberman@toz.buffalo.ny.us (Cyberman) +Subject: Re: what to do with old 2 +Lines: 19 +X-Maildoor: WaflineMail 1.00r + +{Kris Gleason} said + ""Re: what to do with old 2"" + to on 04-15-93 11:02 + KG> Yeah... keychains. I have seen 64K simms with a silver + KG> keyring attached, big seller at the computer store. I'm + KG> sure you could find a bunch of geeks^H^H^H^H^H^H computer + KG> science majors around that would buy them for $10. Maybe + KG> $15, if you're lucky. + + Untrue they would check JDR first and say 5. That's how much + they are worth AT MOST. My guess is they are worth 1 buck + a peice. + + Stephen Cyberman@Toz.Buffalo.NY.US + Mangled on Sat 04-17-1993 at 20:26:37 + +... This tagline is a duplicate. This tagline is a duplicate. +___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 + +";11;True +"From: taybh@hpsgm2.sgp.hp.com (Beng Hang TAY) +Subject: VL-bus HDD/FDD controller or IDE HDD/FDD controller? +Organization: HP Singapore Notes-Server +Lines: 20 + +Hi, + I am buying a Quantum LPS240AT 245 MB hardisk and is deciding a + HDD/FDD controller. Is 32-bit VL-bus HDD/FDD controller faster + than 16 bit IDE HDD/FDD controller card? I hear that + the VL bus controller is SLOWER than a IDE controller? + Which one is true? + + Please shed some light by email or post. + Thanks a lot. + +Best regards, + + ____________________________________________________________________________ +| Beng-Hang Tay | Telnet: 520 8732 | +| Singapore Networks Operation | Phone: (65) 279 8732 | +| Hewlett-Packard Singapore Pte. Ltd. | Fax: (65) 272 2780 | +| 1150 Depot Road | Internet: taybh@hpsgm2.sgp.hp.com | +| Singapore 0410 | | +| Republic of Singapore | | + ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- +";5;True +"From: HK.MLR@forsythe.stanford.edu (Mark Rogowsky) +Subject: Re: IINTX Upgrade? +Organization: Stanford University +Lines: 27 +NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu + +In article <1pqprtINNf2@escargot.xx.rmit.OZ.AU>, +s912013@minyos.xx.rmit.OZ.AU (Douglas Barry Mcpherson) writes: +>Could someone please tell me what a +> +>LaserWriter IINTX upgrade kit is. +> +>Its a small box, which has a bag inn it , seemingly +>containing 6 chips (look like ROMS) and a IINTX manual. +>The installation instructions are most informative and say, in full, +>""This product must be installed by an Apple ........."" +> +>SO what does this do ? At first I thought it might be a NT to NTX +>upgrade, but I thought that required an entirely new board. +> +>Any info appreciated. +> +>Doug. + +The kit is for an already existing Laserwriter IINTX. It is a ROM +upgrade that replaces the font rasterizer code with the more +efficient, speedier code that first became available in Adobe Type +Manager 1.0. + +That software came out after the original NTXes and the so-called +ATM rasterizer is now standard on Postscript printers. + +Mark +";0;True +"From: bena@dec05.cs.monash.edu.au (Ben Aveling) +Subject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption +Organization: Computer Science, Monash University, Australia +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] +Lines: 12 + +Andrew Richard Conway (arc@leland.Stanford.EDU) wrote: + +: P.S. I can't work out why the US government doesn't want to sell +: them overseas. After all, they are rather easy for US interests to decode, +: so make a perfect tool for industrial/military espionage...lulling +: anyone stupid enough to buy it into a false sense of security. You will +: notice that there is NO mention anywhere about safety for non-Americans. + +Don't forget, you are in the country that wouldn't let the Russians +buy Apple II's because of security concerns. +-- + Ben (-: bena@bruce.cs.monash.edu.au :-) +";16;True +"From: george@ccmail.larc.nasa.gov (George M. Brown) +Subject: Re: PCX +Organization: Client Specific Systems, Inc. +Lines: 41 +NNTP-Posting-Host: thrasher.larc.nasa.gov + +In article <1993Apr14.220100.17867@freenet.carleton.ca> ad994@Freenet.carleton.ca (Jason Wiggle) writes: +>From: ad994@Freenet.carleton.ca (Jason Wiggle) +>Subject: PCX +>Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1993 22:01:00 GMT +> +>Hello +> HELP!!! please +> I am a student of turbo c++ and graphics programming +> and I am having some problems finding algorithms and code +> to teach me how to do some stuff.. +> +> 1) Where is there a book or code that will teach me how +> to read and write pcx,dbf,and gif files? +> +> 2) How do I access the extra ram on my paradise video board +> so I can do paging in the higher vga modes ie: 320x200x256 +> 800x600x256 +> 3) anybody got a line on a good book to help answer these question? +> +>Thanks very much ! +> +>send reply's to : Palm@snycanva.bitnet +> +>Peace be +>Blessed be +>Stephen Palm + +A book that I can somewhat recommend is : + + Pratical Image Processing in C + by Craig A. Lindley + published by Wiley + +It addresses reading/writing to/from PCX/TIFF files; image acquisition, +manipulation and storage; and has source code in the book. The source is +primarily written in Turbo C and naturally has conversion possibilities. I +have converted some of it to Quick C. Naturally, the code has some problems +in the book - as usuall. Typos, syntax, etc. are problems. It can be a good +learning experience for someone who is studying C. There is also a companion +disk with source available for order and $50.00. Overall, the book is not +bad. I acquired the book at WaldenSoftware. +";1;True +"From: khan0095@nova.gmi.edu (Mohammad Razi Khan) +Subject: Re: Am I going to Hell? +Organization: GMI Engineering&Management Institute, Flint, MI +Lines: 32 + +tbrent@ecn.purdue.edu (Timothy J Brent) writes: + +>I have stated before that I do not consider myself an atheist, but + ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +So you believe in the existance of One creator I assume. + + +>definitely do not believe in the christian god. The recent discussion +>about atheists and hell, combined with a post to another group (to the +>effect of 'you will all go to hell') has me interested in the consensus +>as to how a god might judge men. As a catholic, I was told that a jew, +>buddhist, etc. might go to heaven, but obviously some people do not +>believe this. Even more see atheists and pagans (I assume I would be +>lumped into this category) to be hellbound. I know you believe only +>god can judge, and I do not ask you to, just for your opinions. + +Ok, god has the disclaimer, reserves the right to judge individual +cases. If we believe him to be loving, then we also believe him to be +able to serve justice to all. Don't worry if a Jew, or athiest is +going to heaven or hell, for that is god to judge (although truly +if you were concerned you could only worry abput those who refuse to +believe/satisfy gods decrees) as much as keeping yourself straight. +If you see something going on that is wrong, discuss it and explore it +before making summary judgement. People have enough free will to choose +for themselves, so don't force choices on them, just inform them +of what they're choices are. God will take care of the rest in his justice. + +>Thanks, +>-Tim +-- +Mohammad R. Khan / khan0095@nova.gmi.edu +After July '93, please send mail to mkhan@nyx.cs.du.edu +";17;True +"From: ron@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Ron Miller) +Subject: Re: Boston Gun Buy Back +Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA +Lines: 19 + +> From: urbin@interlan.interlan.com (Mark Urbin) +> +> >RM:Just a short thought: +> >When you ask the question of the ""authorities"" or sponsors of buyback +> >programs whether they will check for stolen weapons and they answer +> >""no, it's total amnesty"". + +> Please note that the $50 given for each firearm, in the Boston `buy +> back' will not be in cash, but money orders. How much `total amnesty"" can +> you get if you leave paper trail behind? + +In the latest case in Denver, they were giving away tickets to a Denver +Nuggets basketball game. + +How traceable is a money order? (I don't know. Haven't used one in 20 years) + +Is that even an issue if the weapons aren't checked for being stolen? + +Ron +";3;True +"From: klopfens@andy.bgsu.edu (Bruce Klopfenstein) +Subject: Ind. Source Picks Baerga Over Alomar: Case Closed +Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh. +Distribution: na +Lines: 13 + +fester@island.COM (Mike Fester) writes: +> +> I'd say you could make a good for them being about equal right now. T&P +> rated Baerga higher, actually. +> +> Mike +> -- +Finally, an objective source. Alomar's a great player, but so is Baerga. +Nice to see the objective source cited rather than ""my dad's bigger than +your dad"" posts. + +BK + +";14;True +"From: slegge@kean.ucs.mun.ca +Subject: Re:Re: Trade rumor: Montreal/Ottawa/Phillie +Lines: 20 +Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada + +>>TSN Sportsdesk just reported that the OTTAWA SUN has reported +>>tht Montreal will send 4 players + $15 million including Vin +>>Damphousse and Brian Bellows to Philldelphia, Phillie will send +>>Eric Lindros to Ottawa, and Ottawa will give it's first round pick +>>to Montreal. + +>>Personally, I can't see Philli giving up Lindros -- for anything. + +> Here we go again. Is this the same idiot who posted the Gretzky +> trade to Toronto???? ^^^^^?!!! + +Listen, *ASSHOLE*, I'm just commenting on what I heard +reported on the sports news!! + +You'll notice my skeptical comment! Sheesh... I thought this group +wasfor conversation! Guess I was wrong. }-< + +Stephen Legge +SLEGGE@kean.ucs.munc.ca + +";13;True +"From: klute@tommy.INformatik.uni-dortmund.DE (Rainer Klute) +Subject: Imake support for xmosaic +Organization: CS Department, Dortmund University, Germany +Lines: 20 +NNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu +To: xannounce@expo.lcs.mit.edu + + + Imake support for xmosaic + ========================= + +Although xmosaic is a great program in general, it unfortunately comes +without Imake support. So I created one. Until Marc Andreessen finds the +time to incorporate it in an official xmosaic release, you can easily do it +yourself. Use anonymous FTP to get + + ftp.germany.eu.net:/pub/X11/misc/xmosaic.Imake.tar.z + +The file's size is 3200 Byte. You will need gzip to unpack it. Have fun! + +-- + Dipl.-Inform. Rainer Klute I R B : immer richtig beraten + Univ. Dortmund, IRB + Postfach 500500 |)|/ Tel.: +49 231 755-4663 +D-W4600 Dortmund 50 |\|\ Fax : +49 231 755-2386 + + new address after June 30th: Univ. Dortmund, D-44221 Dortmund +";12;True +"Subject: Re: Non-lethal alternatives to handguns? +From: steiner@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu (Jason 'Think!' Steiner) +Nntp-Posting-Host: jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] +Lines: 16 + +douglas craig holland (holland@CS.ColoState.EDU) writes: +[...lostsa' crap deleted. trim your articles!...] + +> What about guns with non-lethal bullets, like rubber or plastic +> bullets. Would those work very well in stopping an attack? + +last i heard, ""non-lethal"" was a bit of a misnomer for these things. + +jason + +-- +`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,` +`,` Democrat: Give us your money. _We'll_ solve your problems. `,` +`,` Republican: Give us your money. We'll ignore your problems. `,` +`,` Libertarian: Keep your money. Solve your own problems. `,` +`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,` steiner@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu `,`,`,` +";3;True +"From: joslin@pogo.isp.pitt.edu (David Joslin) +Subject: Re: Silence is concurance +Distribution: usa +Organization: Intelligent Systems Program +Lines: 80 + +For those missing the context of this thrilling discussion between +Jim and I, Jim wrote the following to me in e-mail after I pointed out +that he (Jim) had taken a quote out of context: +>In t.r.m. Robert Weiss writes [a promise from Psalm 9:10] +>Gee, since you wouldn't be at all hypocritical, you must be really +>busy arguing against these out-of-context extracted translations! + +He directed a similar accusation of hypocrisy, again based on a lack of +response to an article by Robert Weiss, toward Stephen. + +I pointed out that I did, in fact, agree that both Robert Weiss and +Jim Meritt took quotes out of context. Hence, I find it difficult to +understand why Jim thinks I am a hypocrite. Needless to say, I don't +have time to reply to *every* article on t.r.m. that takes a quote +out of context. + +I asked Jim the following: +>}So, according to you, Jim, the only way to criticize one person for +>}taking a quote out of context, without being a hypocrite, is to post a +>}response to *every* person on t.r.m who takes a quote out of context? + +Jim replied by saying +>Did I either ask or assert that? + +But today we find four articles from Jim, one of which has the subject +""Silence is concurrence"": + +m23364@mwunix.mitre.org (James Meritt) writes: +>Is it not the case that, in the eyes of the law, when someone is aware of +>something and has the capability of taking action and does not, that individual +>may be held responsible for that action? + +Which is, of course, a complete red herring. Taking quotes out of +context isn't a crime. I don't have time to read every article on +t.r.m., and I'm certainly under no obligation to reply to them all. + +Does ""silence is concurrence"" imply that Jim thinks that because I +didn't respond to Weiss' articles I must condone Weiss' taking quotes +out of context? Jim doesn't want to give a direct answer to this +question; read what he has written and decide for yourself. + + +But back to the context of my conversation with Jim. Jim's next +gambit was to claim that he was using inductive logic when he +concluded that I was being a hypocrite. I challenged him to provide +the details of that logic that led him to an incorrect conclusion. +Today we find another obscure article (posting it twice didn't help +make it more clear, Jim), titled ""Inductive Logic"": + +>Scenario: +>A white goose waddles past the door +>A white goose waddles past the door +>A white goose waddles past the door +>...( repeat an uncountably large number of times)... +>A black goose waddles past the door. An individual hits it with an axe. +> +>1. Given that the population of geese is uncountably large, and the size of the +> confidence interval for the decision is undetermined, under what conditions +> could a decision upon the behavior of the individual towards white geese +> be made? +> +>2. If ONLY black geese are observed to be axed, is it not a valid question +> to be concerned with the different behavior between black and white geese? + +More red herrings. Could Jim mean that he has read an uncountably large +number of my articles? Could Jim mean that because I ""axed"" his articles, +but not Weiss' articles, he wants to conclude inductively ... +Well, I can't see where he is going with this. + +But I can help him with his induction. I've written roughly 80 +articles since January. The vast majority of them are discussions with +Frank DeCenso and other inerrantists, where I take the position that +they are making bad arguments. Some are discussions with Jim Meritt +where I take the position that he is making bad arguments (a straw man +argument earlier, and taking quotes out of context more recently.) + +Think hard about this Jim. See the pattern? Think harder. Run it +through your induction engine and see what pops out. + +dj +";19;True +"From: jkomp@leonardo.src.honeywell.com (John Komp) +Subject: RE: Price drop on C650 within 2 months? +Article-I.D.: leonardo.9304062132.AA00657 +Organization: mailEnteringNews at Honeywell SRC +Lines: 36 +To: comp.sys.mac.hardware +Posted-Date: Tue, 6 Apr 93 16: 32:51 CDT +Received-Date: Tue, 6 Apr 93 16: 32:52 CDT + + +Nathaniel Sammons writes: + +>I am going to be getting a C650 soon, but I don;t want Apple +>to come out with the Cyclones and the Tempest in a month +>and have the price drop on the system I want. I have negotiated a +>good deal with a supplier for a C650 8/80 and I would like to jump on it, +>but, again, I don't want the price drop to smuther me. BTW, the deal +>I have is a C650 8/80 with mouse for $2295... does anyone know of a better +>deal? + +I don't know how to say it best but you are gaurenteed that the +price of the C650 is going to drop this year. This week's MacWeek +reports that Apple is probably planning a drop in August. My guess +is that it may come sooner if Apple decides to change the price +structure upon release of the multimedia units this summer. + +Your price looks pretty good at about $50 more then I payed for +mine last month. I would have rather waited for one of the new +machines this sommer (like the Cyclone) but the resale value of my +IIci would have not been squat by then. Thus, financing forced me +to purchase now. I'm happy with the machine and won't feel +betrayed at all when Apple cuts the price to less then $1000 next +week (heh). + +Bottome line: If the C650 does what you want, buy it. If you wait +until the Cylcones come out for a price break then you might as +well wait for the PowerPCs to come out for another price break and +then the units which follow them. You may save some money but +you've lost a lot of time when you could have been using the +computer. Face it, Apple's prices are going to be in a continuous +state of flux. At least they aren't going to try raising them +again (grin). + +-John +Komp@leonardo.src.honeywell.com +";0;True +"From: VEAL@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) +Subject: Re: National Sales Tax, The Movie +Lines: 27 +Organization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education + +In article <1993Apr16.170521.21129@midway.uchicago.edu> shou@quads.uchicago.edu (roger colin shouse) writes: +> +>SPEAKING OF VAT: Did anyone see CNN's report yesterday (4/15)? It +>was quite hillarious (no pun intended). They ran down how a percent tax +>was added at each stage of manufacturing, graphicaly depicting a stack of +>quarters being added at each wholesale stage. When they got to the final +>stage (the actual retail sale) the small stack of quarters added to the +>large stack already there was said to be ""the amount paid by consumers."" +>In other words, they completed ignored the fact that at each stage the +>tax would of course be passed on to the next buyer with the retail consumer +>paying the full load. +> +>These are not journalists--they're lap dogs. + + One of the commentators on one of the Big Three news programs +described the VAT (which ain't a sales tax) as a tax ""government's love."" +I was even surprised he got the reason right: it effectively hides the +majority of the tax the consumer has to pay *from* the consumer. It's +kind of like they do with cars. You pay far more for automobile taxes than +most people realize because it's contained in two dozen different taxes, +everything from your license to your tires to your gasoline. + +------------------------------------------------------------------------ +David Veal Univ. of Tenn. Div. of Cont. Education Info. Services Group +PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu - ""I still remember the way you laughed, the day +your pushed me down the elevator shaft; I'm beginning to think you don't +love me anymore."" - ""Weird Al"" +";18;True +"From: agallagh@slate.mines.colorado.edu (GALLAGHER ANDREA J ) +Subject: XAllocColor fails to return nearest match +Reply-To: ngorelic@speclab.cr.usgs.gov +Organization: Colorado School of Mines +Lines: 23 + +[posted for a friend] + +Okay, I looked through the FAQs and didn't see this, but I know its +come up before... + +XAllocColor is supposed to do the following in order: + Try to find an exact match read-only color cell. (within hardware limits) + Try to allocate a read-only colorcell and set it to match. + and when all else fails, + Return the colorcell with the best match from the read-only colors + already allocated in the colormap. + +This sounds good in theory. It doesn't seem to work this way +though. If there is no exact match already in the colormap, and +no unallocated cells, then XAllocColor fails, even when it has +already allocated several other cells already, and there are dozens +of read-only cells already in the colormap. + +Is this a bug? A feature? A misunderstanding on my part? + +Any help appreciated, + +Noel (ngorelic@speclab.cr.usgs.gov) +";12;True +"From: tvervaek@col.hp.com (Tom Vervaeke) +Subject: Re: Toyota Land Cruiser worth it? +Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division +Lines: 20 +NNTP-Posting-Host: itchub21.cs.itc.hp.com + +My wife and I looked at, and drove one last fall. This was a 1992 model. +It was WAYYYYYYYYY underpowered. I could not imagine driving it in the +mountains here in Colorado at anything approaching highway speeds. I +have read that the new 1993 models have a newer, improved hp engine. + +I'm quite serious that I laughed in the salesman face when he said ""once +it's broken in it will feel more powerful"". I had been used to driving a +Jeep 4.0L 190hp engine. I believe the 92's Land Cruisers (Land Yachts) +were 3.0L, the sames as the 4Runner, which is also underpowered (in my +own personal opinion). + +They are big cars, very roomy, but nothing spectacular. + + +( ___ )-----------------------------------------------------------( ___ ) + | / | Tom Vervaeke Email: tvervaek@cs.itc.hp.com | \ | + | / | Hewlett Packard Co. Phone: 719-590-2133 | \ | + | / | | \ | + |___| I love animals. They taste delicious. |___| +(_____)-----------------------------------------------------------(_____) +";10;True +"From: pmetzger@snark.shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger) +Subject: Re: More technical details +Organization: Partnership for an America Free Drug +Lines: 15 + +srt@duke.cs.duke.edu (Stephen R. Tate) writes: +> +>Now, I'm not one of the people who distrusts the government at every +>turn, but taking someone's word for it that the S1/S2 pairs are not kept +>around is pushing what I'm willing to believe just a little bit too far. +> + +Even if they somehow address this issue it is unlikely to be the only +back door in -- they might even have a few intentionally visible to +distract from the ones that aren't visible. + +-- +Perry Metzger pmetzger@shearson.com +-- +Laissez faire, laissez passer. Le monde va de lui meme. +";16;True +"From: stevep@Cadence.COM (Steve Peterson) +Subject: Re: Question on Sabbath question; Correction +Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc. +Lines: 13 + +>> There are a few groups that continue to believe Christians have to +>> worship on the Sabbath (Saturday). The best-known are the Seventh-Day +>> Adventists and Jehovah's Witnesses. They argue that Act 20:7 is not a +>> regular worship service, but a special meeting to see Paul off, and +>> that I Cor 16:2 doesn't explicitly say it's a regular worship service. + +Jehovah's Witnesses do not believe that Christians are required to observe +the Sabbath, whether it is on Saturday or Sunday. The Sabbath was part +of a Covenent between God and the Israelites and is not required for +Christians. + +Steve Peterson + +";19;True +"From: glalonde@watson.ibm.com +Subject: Re: Cache card for IIsi +News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.17h by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers +Lines: 18 +Reply-To: glalonde@vnet.ibm.com +Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM. +Nntp-Posting-Host: xlalonde.torolab.ibm.com +Organization: IBM Toronto Lab + +> +>As of last week, Mac's Place had the Applied Engineering QuickSilver card +>(32k cache, one PDS slot, socket for FPU) on sale for $99.00 (without FPU). +>Regular price is $199. +> +>No idea if this is still going on, but I can get the phone no. if anyone is +>interested (I found their ad in MacUser). +> + +Can some people with cache cards PLEASE post speedometer numbers they get +with the cards. I have only one report, which seems to indicate that +a 32K cache card gives you only about a 1% speedup!! Access to memory takes +LONGER when you have a cache card(and get a miss) thus a small cache card +of 32K may be worth $0. I don't know what kind of numbers 64K cards get +you. Also I found it interesting that you can disable the cache cards +via software(read about it in the Mac IIsi tech notes from ftp.apple.com) + +So is $99 a good deal or not, I still don't know. +";0;True +"From: Mike Diack +Subject: Anyone got 200+ Schadow switches with LED? +X-Xxmessage-Id: +X-Xxdate: Thu, 22 Apr 93 15:28:05 GMT +Nntp-Posting-Host: dialup-slip-1-95.gw.umn.edu +Organization: persian cat & carpet co. +X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d7 +Lines: 3 + +Name your price, cap colours & quantity available. +cheers +Mike +";11;True +"From: folta@zen.holonet.net (Steve Folta) +Subject: Re: Using SetWUTime() with a PB170 +Nntp-Posting-Host: zen.holonet.net +Organization: HoloNet National Internet Access System: 510-704-1058/modem +Lines: 13 + +aep@world.std.com (Andrew E Page) writes: +> I can get the mac to go to sleep, but I can't make seem to +>make it wake up with SetWUTime(). + +The PowerBook 170 hardware doesn't have a wakeup timer. Nor does the 140. +The Mac Portable had one, and I think the PowerBook 100 had one. I don't +know about the newer PowerBooks, but I kind of doubt it. I got bit by +this too, and it took my a while rooting around on the developer CD +before I found this out. + +Steve Folta +folta@well.sf.ca.us + +";0;True +"From: dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren) +Subject: Re: The U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum: A Costly... +Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science +Lines: 47 + +dgannon@techbook.techbook.com (Dan Gannon) writes: + +Gannon, why don't you tell the readers of these newsgroups +how you hail Nazism on your BBS, and post long articles +claiming non-Whites are inferior? + +# THE U.S. HOLOCAUST MEMORIAL MUSEUM: A COSTLY AND DANGEROUS MISTAKE + +The Museum is entirely funded by private donations, but don't +expect this fact to deter ""Maynard"". + +BTW, Gannon's ideological fathers also had a passion for constructing +museums and collections, some of which served to educate the +public about the racial supremacy of the Aryans. One such +collection was that of skeletons, and there was no lack of these +around: + +Letter from SS-Standartenfuehrer Sievers to SS-Obersturmbannfuehrer +Dr. Brandt, November 2 1942 +[""Trial of the Major War Criminals"", p. 520] +------------------------------------------------------------------- +Dear Comarade Brandt, + +As you know, the Reichsfuehrer-SS has directed that +SS-Hauptsturmfuehrer Prof. Dr. Hirt be supplied with everything +needed for his research work. For certain anthropological +researches - I already reported to the Reichsfuehrer-SS on +them - 150 skeletons of prisoners, or rather Jews, are +required, which are to be supplied by the KL Auschwitz. + + +However, the good Doctor needed some more items to complete his +research: + +Testimony of Magnus Wochner, SS guard at the Natzweiler Concentration +Camp +[""The Natzweiler Trial"", Edited by Anthony M. Webb, p. 89] +-------------------------------------------------------------------- +... I recall particularly one mass execution when about 90 prisoners +(60 men and 30 women), all Jews, were killed by gassing. This took +place, as far as I can remember, in spring 1944. In this case the +corpses were sent to Professor Hirt of the department of Anatomy in +Strasbourg. + + +-Danny Keren. + +";15;True +"From: wiggs@stsci.edu (Michael S. Wiggs) +Subject: Kubelwagen +Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] +Lines: 7 + + +The answer to your question is...sort of. Volkswagen had a +much less robust version of this army vehicle out in the +early '70's (or thereabouts). It was called the Volskwagen +Thing, and was, of course, a convertible. I havent seen +many around then or now. Good luck... +-Mik +";10;True +"From: bixledn@eng.auburn.edu (David N. Bixler) +Subject: Re: criminals & machineguns +Nntp-Posting-Host: mosquito.eng.auburn.edu +Reply-To: bixledn@eng.auburn.edu +Organization: Auburn University Engineering +Lines: 14 + + There's only one way I know of to tell an AR-15 from an M-16. + Pick it up, hold it about a foot from your face and look closely + at the saftey lever. If it has two positions, its an AR-15, if + it has three, its an M-16. There are numerous internal differences + as well, but since one would have to field strip the weapon to see + them, they are not valid in this discussion. So, in conclusion, + there is very little external differences to distinguish an AR-15 + from an M-16 except at close (very close) range. + + David Bixler + Auburn University + + All standard disclaimers apply. + +";3;True +"From: random@presto.UUCP (Jeff W. Hyche) +Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. +Reply-To: presto!random@uunet.uu.net + <1qpg8fINN982@dns1.NMSU.Edu> <1993Apr18.150259.1748@escom.com> +Distribution: na +X-Newsreader: Arn V1.01 +Lines: 16 +Organization: I'm Just Me. + +In article <1993Apr18.150259.1748@escom.com>, Al Donaldson writes: + +> Unrelated question...isn't the term ""Clipper,"" as neat as it is, +> already taken by Intergraph? +> + +Yes, ""Clipper"" is a trademark of Intergraph. Its the RISC chip used +in some of thier workstations. + +I wonder what Intergraph is going to do to this infringement on thier +name sake? + +-- + // Jeff Hyche + -There Can Be Only One- \\ // presto!random@uunet.uu.net + \X/ +";16;True +"From: gt7122b@prism.gatech.edu (boundary, the catechist) +Subject: Re: Assurance of Hell +Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology +Lines: 13 + +In article lfoard@hopper.virginia.edu (Lawrence C. Foard) writes: + +>A God who must motivate through fear is not a God worthy of worship. +>If the God Jesus spoke of did indeed exist he would not need hell to + +The reason for the existence of hell is justice. Fear is only an effect +of the reality of hell. + +-- +boundary, the catechist + +no teneis que pensar que yo haya venido a traer la paz a la tierra; no he +venido a traer la paz, sino la guerra (Mateo 10:34, Vulgata Latina) +";17;True +"From: lewallen@cis.ohio-state.edu (stephen richard lewallen) +Subject: ### 68040 25Mz FOR SALE : ABSOLUTELY NEVER USED ### +Organization: The Ohio State University - Computer Science +Lines: 14 +Distribution: usa +NNTP-Posting-Host: gecko.cis.ohio-state.edu + + +I have a new 25 MHz Motorola 68040 that I am willing to sell if I get +a good enough offer. It is still in its static free sealed package. + +If I don't get a good enough offer, I will use it to replace my 68LC040. + +Any takers? + +Supposedly you can get one of these for $375. However, at the moment the +demand is higher than the supply so I think $400 is a good round number. +I will pay shipping, of course. + +All offers should be send to lewallen@cis.ohio-state.edu + +";0;True +"From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick) +Subject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition? +Organization: HST Wide Field/Planetary Camera +Lines: 28 +Distribution: world +Reply-To: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU +NNTP-Posting-Host: sol1.gps.caltech.edu + +In article <1qmlgaINNjab@hp-col.col.hp.com>, cab@col.hp.com (Chris Best) writes: += +=Jason Chen writes: +=> Now here is a new one: vomiting. My guess is that MSG becomes the number one +=> suspect of any problem. In this case. it might be just food poisoning. But +=> if you heard things about MSG, you may think it must be it. += +=---------- += +=Yeah, it might, if you only read the part you quoted. You somehow left +=out the part about ""we all ate the same thing."" Changes things a bit, eh? + +Perhaps. Now, just what leads you to believe that it was MSG and not some +other ingredient in the food that made you ill? + +=These people aren't condemning Chinese food, Mr. Chen - just one of its +=(optional) ingredients. Try not to take it so personally. + +And you're condemning one particular ingredient without any evidence that +that's the ingredient to which you reacted. +-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- +Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL + +Disclaimer: Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS. That's what I get paid for. My +understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below). So +unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my +organization responsible for it. If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to +hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it. +";4;True +"From: A. Charles Gross +Subject: I have seen the lobby, and it is us +X-Xxmessage-Id: +X-Xxdate: Wed, 21 Apr 93 17:40:17 GMT +Nntp-Posting-Host: l-b-johnson.eff.org +Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation +X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d17 +Lines: 22 + +In article <1993Apr21.113152.395@gems.vcu.edu> , langford@gems.vcu.edu +writes: +>However, it's likely to be as hard or harder to exercise this right as it +>is getting to exercise the other rights that the government is slowly +>restricting. Maybe the NRA _would_ be the best existing organization? +>(Although I think a new one might be better, but perhaps would take too +long +>to start up. I would certainly join.) + +The NRA is successful because (among a number of things), on the drop of +a hat, they can get a congresspersons office flooded with postcards, +faxes and phone calls. Certainly, with our way-cool Internet powers of +organization, we can act in the same way, if such action is appropriate. + +As long as we are kept informed of events, anyone on this bboard can make +a call to action. Hopefully, we're a strong enough community to act on +those calls. I realize this is a little optomistic, and I'm glad EFF is +working in the loop on these issues, but don't underestimate the +potential of the net for political action. + +Adam +* I speak for myself +";16;True +"From: alee@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu (Alec Lee) +Subject: comm.drv replacement +Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci. +Lines: 15 + +There was a recent post about a BBS where you could download a replacement +for comm.drv (Win 3.x) that fixed a lot of the problems with high-speed +modems. Does anyone know of an ftp site where I can get it? + +Thanks, + +Alec Lee + ++---------------------------------------------------------------------+ +| Alec Lee aslee@diana.cair.du.edu (303) 871-5744 | +| alee@cs.du.edu | +|---------------------------------------------------------------------| +| ""Sexy? But what's wrong with being sexy"" | +| - Nigel Tufnel, Spinal Tap | ++---------------------------------------------------------------------+ +";6;True +"From: bixledn@eng.auburn.edu (David N. Bixler) +Subject: Re: My Gun is like my American Express Car +Nntp-Posting-Host: liberator.eng.auburn.edu +Reply-To: bixledn@eng.auburn.edu +Organization: Auburn University Engineering +Lines: 36 + +In article 27322@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU, andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman) writes: +> In article <93104.231049U28037@uicvm.uic.edu> Jason Kratz writes: +> >All your points are very well taken and things that I haven't considered as +> >I am not really familiar enough with handguns. +> +> That's not all that Kratz doesn't know. +> +> >Hell, a Glock is the last thing that should be switched to. The only thing +> >that I know about a Glock is the lack of a real safety on it. Sure there is +> >that little thing in the trigger but that isn't too great of a safety. +> +> Now we know that Kratz doesn't understand what a safety is supposed to +> do. (He also confuses ""things he can see"" with ""things that exist""; +> Glocks have multiple safeties even though only one is visible from the +> outside.) +> +> A safety is supposed to keep the gun from going off UNLESS that's +> what the user wants. With Glocks, one says ""I want the gun to go +> off"" by pulling the trigger. If the safeties it has make that work, +> it has a ""real"" safety, no matter what Kratz thinks. +> +> -andy +> -- + + + I agree very much. I have read almost every article written about + the Glock, and IMO, it is probably the safest auto-loader made. It + has the best safty of all, Jeff Cooper's First Rule, ""Keep your finger + OFF the trigger until you want to shoot."" If everyone just observed + this, there would be fewer ""accidents"". + + David N. Bixler + Auburn University + + Standard Disclaimers apply. + +";3;True +"From: davew@cs.umd.edu (David G. Wonnacott) +Subject: Questions about insurance companies (esp. Geico) +Distribution: usa +Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742 +Lines: 13 + +I'm considering switching to Geico insurance, but have heard that +they do not assign a specific agent for each policy or claim. I was +worried that this might be a real pain when you make a claim. I have +also heard that they try to get rid of you if you have an accident. + +I'm interestend in determining whether or not these things are true. +Has anyone out there with Geico made a claim? I'd be interested in +hearing whether or not you were satisfied with the service and whether +you then had trouble renewing your policy. + +I'm also interested in any good or bad stories about Liberty Mutual or +State Farm. + +";10;True +"From: leo@cae.wisc.edu (Leo Lim) +Subject: FAST DOS'VGA and 1024x768x256 windows video card info needed. +Organization: College of Engineering, Univ. of Wisconsin--Madison +Lines: 24 + +ok, i have a 486dx50(ISA) w/ Diamond Stealth VRAM 1MB. +I was really satisfied w/ its performance in windows. +but now more and more games needs higher frame rates in DOS' VGA, +especially this new Strike Commander. ;-) +this stealth vram can only give me 17.5 fps. ;-( (i use 3dbench). +my winmark was 6.35 million, i think. + +so right now i'm considering to replace it w/ a new card, which hopefully +can perform approx same w/ my current VRAM in windows and also +can perform DOS' VGA preferably >30fps. + +i also saw the 3dbench benchmark list from someone who compiled it +in csipg and it looked that SpeedStar 24X and Orchid Prodesigner 2d-s +ware the fastest for non local bus motherboard. +both can give >30fps in DOS' VGA w/ 486dx2/66. +Does anyone have a winmarks for both of those cards above with the processor +type ? which one is the worthiest(not necessarily fastest)? +any other card recommendation is welcomed too. + +also, if possible, where can i get 'this' card for the cheapest? ;-) + +thanks in advance, folks! + +===Martin +";6;True +"From: mppa3@syma.SUssex.ac.UK (Alan Richardson) +Subject: Now available: xvertext.4.0 +Organization: University of Sussex +Lines: 25 +To: xannounce@expo.lcs.mit.edu + +Now available: xvertext 4.0 +-------------- + +Summary +------- +xvertext provides you with four functions to draw strings at any angle in +an X window (previous versions were limited to vertical text). Rotation +is still achieved using XImages, but the notion of rotating a whole font +first has been dropped. + +What's new? +----------- +I've added a cache which keeps a copy of previously rotated strings - thus +speeding up redraws. + +Where can I get it? +------------------- +comp.sources.x (soon...) +export.lcs.mit.edu : contrib/xvertext.4.0.shar.Z (now) + +-- +Alan Richardson, * ""You don't have to be * +School of Maths & Physical Sciences, * old to be wise"" * +Univ. of Sussex, Brighton BN1 9QH, ENGLAND * ******Judas Priest***** +UK: mppa3@uk.ac.sussex.syma elsewhere: mppa3@syma.sussex.ac.uk +";12;True +"From: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) +Subject: Re: It's a rush... (was Re: Too fast) +Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) +Lines: 25 +Reply-To: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) +NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu + + +In a previous article, gwm@spl1.spl.loral.com (Gary W. Mahan) says: + +>>>Dont get me wrong, I love to drive in the left lane fast but when I overtake> +>>>cars who are on the right, I slow down a tad bit. If I were to rely on the j>udgement of the other car, to recognize the speed differential, I would be the stupid one. +> +>>just to satiate my curiosity, why would this make you the stupid one? It seems +>>to me, everybody SHOULD be aware enough of what is going on. You do not need +> +>I couldnt agree more. That is how it SHOULD work. People should also ALWAYS see motorcycles too. +> +>I CONSTANTLY scan behind me (I have one of those wink mirrors) and two outside mirrors. I actually spend just as much time checking my six (cops you know). +> +>I still get caught off guard every now and then. +> +> +>Maybe I didnt word it right the first time. What I was trying to say was that if you plan to blow by somebody at a very HIGH speed differential and you assume you are safe because the guy sees you, you are stupid (of course, it depends on the circumstances). I have had some VERY scary instances when I assumed this and I dont think all of the fault was the other guy (now if he was going 25 in a 55 thats a whole different story) + +ok. I can agree to this, because, as we have both proved, what is ideally +SUPPOSED to happen, isn't always. And even though i'm rearely the one doing +the passing, i don't see where it makes you stupid, but i agree, that if you +think you are SAFE, because the other guy is SUPPOSED to have been paying +attention, then yes, you are just as dumb as the other(maybe dumber?) +hasta +DREW +";10;True +"From: holthaus@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (James R. Holthaus) +Subject: Re: Estimating Wiretap Costs/Benefits +Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA +Lines: 27 + +rlglende@netcom.com (Robert Lewis Glendenning) writes: + +>In article <1993Apr20.203756.20667@kronos.arc.nasa.gov> hanson@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Robin Hanson) writes: +>>I'm attempting to write a serious policy paper examining whether the +>>proposed wiretap (or ""Clipper"") chip is a cost-effective tool for +>>police investigation. That is, ignoring concerns about government +>>intrusions into individual privacy, is the value of easy wiretaps to +>>investigators greater than the cost to the communications industry, +>>and their customers, to support this wiretap technology? +>>[...] + +>First, what the fuck is NASA doing wasting my tax dollars doing +>policy papers on stuff far outside of their purvew/mission? +>[...] +>Do us a favor. Resign rather than right this paper for NASA. Go +>do useful work for the society. + +Whew! Take it easy on the guy. Maybe he's going to do this in his +spare time. Maybe he's going to do this to see how much a wiretap +*really* costs. Maybe he's going to do this so he can add to the +opposition to Clipper. I don't know fully why he might do this, but +maybe we shouldn't start flaming at the drop of a hat. +-- +<><><><><><><><><><>James Holthaus james-holthaus@uiowa.edu<><><><><><><><><> +< Government is an association of men who do violence to the rest of us. > +< -- Leo Tolstoy > +<><><><><>PGP 2.2 Public key available on request or from key server<><><><><> +";16;True +"From: kens@lsid.hp.com (Ken Snyder) +Subject: Re: Should I buy a VRF 750? +Article-I.D.: hpscit.1qkcrt$2q9 +Organization: Hewlett Packard Santa Clara Site +Lines: 47 +NNTP-Posting-Host: labkas.lsid.hp.com +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8.10] + +Mark N Bricker (mnb4738@cs.rit.edu) wrote: +: I am in the market for a bike and have recently found a 1990 +: Honda VRF 750 at a dealership. The bike has about 47,000 miles +: and is around $4500. It has had two previous owners, both employees +: of the dealership who, I have been told, took very good care of the +: bike. + +: I have two questions: 1) Is this too many miles for a bike? I know this +: would not be many miles for a car but I am unfamiliar with the life +: span of bikes. 2) Is this a decent price? I am also unfamilar with +: prices for used bikes. Is there a blue book for bikes like there is +: for cars?. + +: Thanks for any advice you can give. + +: --Mark +-- + +Mark, + + 47k is not too many miles on a VFR750. I sold my (well maintained) +'87 VFR700 with 52k miles on it and the engine was in mint condition. +All that the bike needed was steering head bearings and fork bushings +and seals. The guy who bought it had a mechanic pull the valve covers +to look at the top end, do a compression check etc. He confirmed it was +mint. + + As for price, $4500 seems a little steep. I bought my '90 with 12k +miles on it a year ago (and in absolutely cherry condition) for $4800. +There is a bluebook, ask your bank or credit union for the going price. +I've seen a couple of ads for VFR's in the $4500 dollar range. They all +said low miles & mint condition but I didn't actually go look at them. + + A VFR is a very sweet bike and will last you forever if you maintain +it at all. One thing to look for, BTW, is a soft front end. If my +VFR is any indication, at 12k miles the fork springs were totally shot. +Progressive springs ($55) fixed it right up. + +Good luck, + + _______________________ K _ E _ N ____________________________ +| | +| Ken Snyder ms/loc: 330 / UN2 | +| Hewlett-Packard Co. LSID : Lake Stevens Instrument Div. | +| 8600 Soper Hill Road gte/tn: (206) 335-2253 / 335-2253 | +| Everett, WA 98205-1298 un-ix : kens@lsid.hp.com | +|______________________________________________________________| +";7;True +"From: st902415@pip.cc.brandeis.edu (Adam Levin) +Subject: Early BBDDD Returns? +Reply-To: st902415@pip.cc.brandeis.edu +Organization: Brandeis University +Lines: 13 + +Just curious if anyone has started to standout early in the season in the +BB DDD this year. I expect the Phillies staff, while getting the wins, +would have to rank up there. Luis Gonzalez and Derrick May are among +the early league leaders, and all 6 of their bombs have come at the +Phils' expense. Neither of them have exactly been know for their tater +prowess in the past. + +How have the Rockies been early? I know Mile High has produced a ton of +runs, but is it the launching pad everyone expected yet? + +A concerned fan of the BB DDD, + +Adam ""Witness to the Phillies lone loss of the season so far"" Levin +";14;True +"From: m23364@mwunix.mitre.org (James Meritt) +Subject: See? ( was Re: Apology to Jim Meritt (Was: Silence is concurance) +Nntp-Posting-Host: mwunix.mitre.org +Organization: MITRE Corporation, McLean VA +Distribution: usa +Lines: 45 + +In article <9473@blue.cis.pitt.edu> joslin@pogo.isp.pitt.edu (David Joslin) writes: +}m23364@mwunix.mitre.org (James Meritt) writes: +}>}So stop dodging the question. What is hypocritical about my +}>}criticizing bad arguments, given that I do this both when I agree +}>}with the conclusion and when I disagree with the conclusion? +}> +}>You are the one who has claimed to possess the fruits of precognition, +}>telepathy, and telempathy. Divine it yourself. +} +}Another dodge. Oh well. I'm no match for your amazing repertoire +}of red herrings and smoke screens. +} +}You asked for an apology. I'm not going to apologize for pointing out +}that your straw-man argument was a straw-man argument. Nor for saying +}that your list of ""bible contradictions"" shows such low standards of +}scholarship that it should be an embarrassment to anti-inerrantists, +}just as Josh McDowell should be an embarrassment to the fundies. Nor +}for objecting various times to your taking quotes out of context. Nor +}for pointing out that ""they do it too"" is not an excuse. Nor for calling +}your red herrings and smoke screens what they are. + +How about the following inaccurate, unsubstantiated accusations: +In 8257@blue.cis.pitt.edu +>Jim has been threatening + - but no ""threat"" produced +>once he realized that + - display of telepathy +>threatening to quote me + - in spite of no ""threat"" produced, nor forecast ever happening (precognition?) +>responding Jim's threat to quote me + - in spite of claimed threat never being given +>Jim, preparing to... + - in spite of it never happening. telepathy or precognition? +>Jim again, still mystified + - unsubstantiated and untrue. more telepathy? Or maybe telempathy? +>Jim, still scandalized + - unsubstantiated again. Seems to be a habit... + +Having more trouble with reality, it appears. Why get bothered with the facts when +you appear to have the products of paranatural divination methods? + + +*yawn* + + +";19;True +"From: patrickd@wpi.WPI.EDU (Lazer) +Subject: 68040 Specs. +Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute +Lines: 18 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu + +I'd appreciate it greatly if someone could E-mail me the following: +(if you only know one, that's fine) +1) Specs for the 68040 (esp. how it compares to the Pentium) +2) Specs for the 68060 with estimated cost, release date, etc... + +I'm interested in speeds, systems it can run (Windows NT, RISC, or whatever), +costs, bus info, register info. All the technical info. + +I am hoping that the 68040 can win yet another battle against the intel people. + +:) Thanks for any info you can give. + +Thanks. +-- +-Lazer (Patrick Delahanty) |WARNING!: MST3K & Star Trek fan, Macintosh user, +InterNet: patrickd@wpi.wpi.edu| and Co-sysop of L/A Blues BBS! + lazer@lablues.UUCP | Call L/A Blues BBS (207-777-3465 or 777-7782) + * MACINTOSH USER * | for Macintosh & MS-DOS files & *FREE USENET*! +";0;True +"From: guyd@austin.ibm.com (Guy Dawson) +Subject: RE: 80486DX-50 vs 80586DX2-50 +Originator: guyd@pal500.austin.ibm.com +Organization: IBM Austin +Lines: 38 + + +In article <1993Apr06.121342.25130@kub.nl>, volkert@kub.nl (Volkert) writes: +> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- +> Anonymous, +> +> I saw a posting about the choice between 80486DX-50 and a 80486DX2-50. +> I was wondering: although a DX-50 is faster because of the path to it's +> external cache, shouldn't the choice be the DX2-50 as that one can be +> made to work properly with a local-bus? I mean, cache speed is one thing, +> but all your speed will be blocked during video I/O, so just get that +> faster... +> I'm willing to speculate that the DX2-50 with local-bus will be 2-4 times +> as fast as the DX-50 and probably as expensive (or cheap ;-)! +> +Technically there is no reason why a chip set cannot support a 486DX50 and +a 25MHz local bus. + +I'm waiting for the mezzianine (sp?) VL bus that will be decoupled from +the main CPU clock and allow for many more slots due to the user of buffers. + +This will allow the use of ever faster CPUs with the same standard I/O +cards. Until the next buss spec... + + +> regards, JV +> ///// +> name: J-V Meuldijk [ o o ] +> address: gildelaar 4 \_=_/ +> 4847 hw teteringen _| |_ +> holland e-mail: volkert@kub.nl / \_/ \ +> _____________________________________________________________oOOO___OOOo__ + +Guy +-- +-- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- +Guy Dawson - Hoskyns Group Plc. + guyd@hoskyns.co.uk Tel Hoskyns UK - 71 251 2128 + guyd@austin.ibm.com Tel IBM Austin USA - 512 838 3377 +";5;True +"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) +Subject: Letter to President, Members of Congress, Newspapers, TV Stations... +Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) +Distribution: world +News-Software: FSUUCP 1.2 R4 +Lines: 111 + + + + + + + +Today marks the 78th anniversary of the Armenian genocide of +2.5 million Turks and Kurds in Eastern Anatolia and x-Soviet +Armenia. The following letter, which represents a small portion +of the full text, along with more than 200 pages of historical +documents, scholarly sources, eyewitness accounts and photographs, +was sent to President Bill Clinton, members of Congress, editors, +program directors and columnists of major newspapers, journals and +radio/TV stations for the 78th anniversary of the Armenian genocide +of 2.5 million Muslim people. On April 23 of every year, the people +of Turkiye remember their dead. They grieve for lost family and the +lost homes of their grandfathers. This year the Turkish Nation is +mourning and praying again for her fallen heroes who gave their +lives generously and with altruism, so that the future generations +may live on that anointed soil of the Turkish land happily and +prosperously. + +------------------------- letter ---------------------------------- + +During the years of World War I, the x-Soviet Armenian Government +has planned and perpetrated the 'Genocide' of the Muslim people, which +not only took the lives of 2.5 million Muslim people, but was also the +method used to empty the Turkish homeland of its inhabitants. To this day, +Turkish historic lands remain occupied by the x-Soviet Armenia. In order +to cover up the fact of its usurpation of the historic Turkish homeland, +which is the crux of Turkish political demands, fascist x-Soviet Armenia +continues its anti-Turkish policy in the following ways: + +1. x-Soviet Armenia denies the historical fact of the Turkish Genocide +in order to shift international public opinion away from its political +responsibility. + +2. x-Soviet Armenia, employing ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism +Triangle, attempts to call into question the veracity of the Turkish +Genocide. + +3. x-Soviet Armenia has also implemented state-sponsored terrorism through +the ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism Triangle in an attempt to +silence the Turkish people's vehement demands and protests. + +4. Using all its human, financial, and governmental resources, x-Soviet +Armenia and its tools in the United States attempt to silence through +terrorism, bribery and other subversive methods, non-Turkish supporters +of the Turkish cause, be they political, governmental and humanitarian. + +Using all the aforementioned methods, the x-Soviet Armenian Government +is attempting to neutralize the international diplomatic community from +making the Turkish Case a contemporary issue. + +Yet despite the efforts of the x-Soviet Armenian Government and its +terrorist and revisionist organizations, in the last decades, thanks +to the struggle of those whose closest ones have been systematically +exterminated by the Armenians, the international wall of silence on +this issue has begun to collapse, and consequently a number of +governments and organizations have become supportive of the recognition +of the Turkish Genocide. + +With the full knowledge that the struggle for the Turkish territorial +demands are still in their initial stages, the Turkish and Kurdish people +will unflaggingly continue in this sacred struggle, therefore the victims +of the Turkish Genocide demand: + +1. that the x-Soviet Armenian Government, as the heirs of the Armenian +Dictatorship, recognize the Turkish Genocide; + +2. that x-Soviet Armenia return the historic homeland to the Turkish and +Kurdish people; + +3. that the x-Soviet Armenian Government make material reparations for +their heinous and unspeakable crime to the victims of the Turkish Genocide; + +4. that all world governments, and especially the United States, officially +recognize the Turkish Genocide and Turkish territorial rights and refuse +to succumb to all Armenian political pressure; + +5. that the U.S. Government free itself from the friendly position it +has adopted towards its unreliable ally, x-Soviet Armenia, and officially +recognize the historical fact of the Turkish Genocide as well as be +supportive of the pursuit of Turkish territorial demands; + +6. that the x-Soviet Republics officially recognize the historical fact +of the Turkish Genocide and include the cold-blooded extermination of +2.5 million Muslim people in their history books. + +The awareness of the Turkish people of the necessity of solidarity in the +efforts to pursue the Turkish Cause is seen by the victims of the first +genocide of the 20th century as a positive step. Furthermore, a new +generation has risen - equipped with a deep sense of commitment, politically +mature and conscious, who determinedly pursue the Turkish Cause, through +all necessary means, ranging from the political and diplomatic to the +armed struggle. Therefore, the victims of the Turkish Genocide call upon +all Muslims in the United States and Canada to participate vigorously in +the political, cultural and religious activities of the 78th Anniversary +of the Armenian genocide of 2.5 million Muslim people. + + +Serdar Argic + + 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that + might serve as ways of escape for the Turks + and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' + (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) + 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists + a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) + + +";15;True +"From: richk@grebyn.com (Richard Krehbiel) +Subject: Re: IDE vs SCSI +In-Reply-To: ez033672@rocky.ucdavis.edu's message of Thu, 15 Apr 1993 03:02:20 GMT +Lines: 26 +Organization: Grebyn Timesharing, Inc. + +In article ez033672@rocky.ucdavis.edu (The Great Randalli!) writes: + +> Can anyone explain in fairly simple terms why, if I get OS/2, I might +> need an SCSI controler rather than an IDE. Will performance suffer that +> much? For a 200MB or so drive? If I don't have a tape drive or CD-ROM? +> Any help would be appreciated. +> +> Richard Randall -- + +There is a way in which a multi-tasking computer actually gives you +more CPU power then you had before, and that is with I/O overlap. +With I/O overlap, your CPU can continue to ""think"" while disk +operations are underway, whereas without overlap, your CPU sits idly +waiting for each disk operation to finish - and disk operations take +an *eternity*, compared to a fast CPU. + +So, when you've got multi-tasking, you want to increase performance by +increasing the amount of overlapping you do. + +One way is with DMA or bus mastering. Either of these make it +possible for I/O devices to move their data into and out of memory +without interrupting the CPU. The alternative is for the CPU to move +the data. There are several SCSI interface cards that allow DMA and +bus mastering. IDE, however, is defined by the standard AT interface +created for the IBM PC AT, which requires the CPU to move all the data +bytes, with no DMA. +-- +Richard Krehbiel richk@grebyn.com +OS/2 2.0 will do for me until AmigaDOS for the 386 comes along... +";5;True +"From: root@ncube.com (Operator) +Subject: Re: Which fax modem is the best? +Nntp-Posting-Host: admin +Reply-To: root@ncube.com +Organization: nCUBE Corp., Foster City, CA +Lines: 19 + +Well I am using The Home Office. I bought it for arounde $350. +It does 14.4. I don't know if it's for data or fax. But the +feature I use is the Voic Mail Box, which I really have liked. + +--- + + + + ^~ + @ * * + Captain Zod... _|/_ / + zod@ncube.com |-|-|/ + 0 /| 0 + / | + \=======&==\=== + \===========&=== + + + +";0;True +"From: m23364@mwunix.mitre.org (James Meritt) +Subject: Re: Silence is concurance +Nntp-Posting-Host: mwunix.mitre.org +Organization: MITRE Corporation, McLean VA +Distribution: usa +Lines: 76 + +In article <9157@blue.cis.pitt.edu> joslin@pogo.isp.pitt.edu (David Joslin) writes: +}For those missing the context of this thrilling discussion between +}Jim and I, Jim wrote the following to me in e-mail after I pointed out + +Hate to shatter your self image of perfection that you appear to hold, but +your language is wrong: Jim and me. + +}I pointed out that I did, in fact, agree that both Robert Weiss and +}Jim Meritt took quotes out of context. Hence, I find it difficult to +}understand why Jim thinks I am a hypocrite. Needless to say, I don't +}have time to reply to *every* article on t.r.m. that takes a quote +}out of context. + +Of course not - just the ones you disagree with. Q.E.D. + +}>}So, according to you, Jim, the only way to criticize one person for +}>}taking a quote out of context, without being a hypocrite, is to post a +}>}response to *every* person on t.r.m who takes a quote out of context? +} +}Jim replied by saying +}>Did I either ask or assert that? +} +}But today we find four articles from Jim, one of which has the subject + +So? As of then, and pointing out a specific instance. Wrongo again. + +}>Is it not the case that, in the eyes of the law, when someone is aware of +}>something and has the capability of taking action and does not, that individual +}>may be held responsible for that action? +} +}Which is, of course, a complete red herring. Taking quotes out of +}context isn't a crime. I don't have time to read every article on +}t.r.m., and I'm certainly under no obligation to reply to them all. + +So? Check the newsgroups? + +}Does ""silence is concurrence"" imply that Jim thinks that because I +}didn't respond to Weiss' articles I must condone Weiss' taking quotes +}out of context? Jim doesn't want to give a direct answer to this +}question; read what he has written and decide for yourself. + +Telepathy again? You claim to know what I ""want"". + +}But back to the context of my conversation with Jim. Jim's next +}gambit was to claim that he was using inductive logic when he +}concluded that I was being a hypocrite. I challenged him to provide +}the details of that logic that led him to an incorrect conclusion. + +No. YOu asked specifically what was wrong with yours. + +}Today we find another obscure article (posting it twice didn't help + +Maybe to the ignorant. I accept your classification. + +}More red herrings. Could Jim mean that he has read an uncountably large +}number of my articles? + +Do you know what ""uncountably large"" means? It does not appear so. + +}Could Jim mean that because I ""axed"" his articles, +}but not Weiss' articles, he wants to conclude inductively ... +}Well, I can't see where he is going with this. + +I am not suprised. + +}But I can help him with his induction. I've written roughly 80 + +That does not appear to be the case. The appearance of your ""Argument"" +is more like that Captain Kirk would have gotten from Mr. Spock - written +by a stagehand at Paramount. + +}Think hard about this Jim. See the pattern? Think harder. Run it +}through your induction engine and see what pops out. + +Of course. You appear arrogant. So? I already had figured that out. + +";19;True +"Subject: XGA-2 info? +From: rleberle@sparc2.cstp.umkc.edu (Rainer Leberle) +Distribution: World +Organization: University of Missouri Kansas City +NNTP-Posting-Host: sparc2.cstp.umkc.edu +Lines: 13 + +Hi, +has anyone more info about the XGA-2 chipset? +HW-funcs, TrueColor, Resolutions,... +Any boards with XGA-2 out yet? + +thanks +Rainer + +-- +Rainer Leberle rleberle@sparc2.cstp.umkc.edu +University of Kansas City, MO + +>> New mail from clinton@whitehouse.dc.gov - (No Subject Specified) +";1;True +"From: m23364@mwunix.mitre.org (James Meritt) +Subject: Silence is concurance +Nntp-Posting-Host: mwunix.mitre.org +Organization: MITRE Corporation, McLean VA +Distribution: usa +Lines: 15 + + +Is it not the case that, in the eyes of the law, when someone is aware of +something and has the capability of taking action and does not, that individual +may be held responsible for that action? + +Example: the driver of a getaway car may be held as an accomplice to murder. + The ""I didn't know"" defense spawned the ""ignorance of the law is no excuse"" + +When an individual is held as a material witness to a crime, is there a criminal +charge against the individual? If not, on what grounds is the person imprisoned? + +-- +James W. Meritt: m23364@mwunix.mitre.org - or - jmeritt@mitre.org +The opinions above are mine. If anyone else wants to share them, fine. +They may say so if they wish. The facts ""belong"" to noone and simply are. +";19;True +"From: shapiro-david@yale.edu (David Shapiro) +Subject: Re: TIGERS +Organization: What, me organized? +Lines: 8 +Distribution: na +NNTP-Posting-Host: minerva.cis.yale.edu +In-reply-to: Ryan Kearns's message of Wed, 14 Apr 1993 10:09:21 EDT + + +Woof woof! + +------------------------------------------------------------------------------- +David Shapiro | ""People can call it a monkey, but I felt like +shapiro-david@yale.edu | I had a piano on my back all winter long.... +shapiro@minerva.cis.yale.edu | The piano is off my back. Maybe a trombone + | will be next."" -- Stan Belinda +";14;True +"From: vilok@bmerh322.bnr.ca (Vilok Kusumakar) +Subject: Future of methanol +Reply-To: vilok@bnr.ca +Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada +Lines: 23 + +I hope this is the correct newsgroup for this. + +What is the scoop on Methanol and its future as an alternative fuel for +vehicles ? How does it compare to ethanol ? + +There was some news about health risks involved. Anybody know about +that. How does the US Clean Air act impact the use of Methanol by the +year 1995 ? + +I think its Methyl Tertiary butyl ether which the future industries will +use as a substitute for conventional fuels. + +There is company Methanex which produces 12% of the world's supply of +Methanol. Does anybody know about it ? + +Please reply by e-mail as I do not read these newsgroups. + +Thanks in advance. +-- +Vilok Kusumakar OSI Protocols for tomorrow...... +vilok@bnr.ca Bell-Northern Research, Ltd. +Phone: (613) 763-2273 P.O. Box 3511, Station C +Fax: (613) 765-4777 Ottawa, Ontario, K1Y 4H7 +";4;True +"From: george@tessi.com (George Mitchell) +Subject: Re: Organized Lobbying for Cryptography +Organization: Test Systems Strategies, Inc., Beaverton, Oregon +Lines: 25 + +langford@gems.vcu.edu writes: + +>In article <1993Apr20.213718.23129@husc3.harvard.edu>, kubo@zariski.harvard.edu (Tal Kubo) writes: +>> Having mentioned the possible dangers of unwelcome political associations, +>> I would be remiss not to suggest something in the opposite direction: +>> gathering the support of the NRA by emphasizing the RKBA side of the +>> issue as well as the First-Amendment side. + +>Hmmm, this gave me an interesting idea. How about this argument: +>1) Second Amendment gives us the right to keep and bear arms. +>2) Strong cryptography is ""arms"", according to the U.S. government (that's +> why it's so hard to export). +>Therefore, we have a constituitional right to strong cryptography! +>Q.E.D. + +>[. . .] Maybe the NRA _would_ be the best existing organization? + +I think a new organization would be a much better idea, as the NRA +carries as much undesireable baggage for me as the EFF and CPSR do +for others. + +Are any hot-shot, reputable organizers reading this message? If an +effective group comes into existence, it can count on me signing up. + +-- George Mitchell (george@tessi.com) +";16;True +"From: europa@tomcat.raleigh.ibm.com (Welch Bryan) +Subject: Re: warranty extension by credit company: applies to the phurchase of computer? +Distribution: usa +Nntp-Posting-Host: tomcat.raleigh.ibm.com +Organization: IBM, Research Triangle Park, North Carolina +Lines: 36 + +In article , staggers@cup.hp.com (Ken Staggers) writes: +|> HUAYONG YANG (yang@titan.ucs.umass.edu) wrote: +|> : Most, if not all, credit card companies offer to double the warranty up +|> : to one year, namely, if you make a purchase by a credit card, you get +|> : additional warranty up to one year. Does it apply to the purchase of +|> : computers? I wonder if anyone out there has used it. Is there any catch? +|> : Thanks in advance. +|> +|> I am just about to post the results of my big computer purchase. One +|> of the key points was the ability to use my American Express card. I +|> read the fine print between double warranty policies of Amex and Citibank +|> VISA. Sure, both will allow you double warranty on computers, but Citibank +|> has a maximum claim of $250.00. Could you imagine trying to get your +|> monitor or mother board fixed for $250.00? Amex has NO limit on claims. +|> +|> Remember, if you use Amex, you must either send a copy of the warranty info +|> to them in 30 days from purchase, or you must call them to pre-register and +|> then send them the paperwork within 90 days of purchase (my pre-register +|> pak arrived today). Citibank VISA requires no pre-registration. +|> +|> --Ken +|> + +I just talked to a rep for my AT&T mastercard regarding this: There is no +maximum claim, and you only have to notify them of the warranty when the +item needs repair. If it can't be repaired, you get the amount you paid +for it. +Curiously though, the AT&T Gold mastercard has a limit of $1000 on claims. +Definitely not upgrading to that card...:) + +-Bryan + +-- +Bryan Welch Amateur Radio: N0SFG +Internet: europa@vnet.ibm.com (best), bwelch@scf.nmsu.edu +Everything will perish save love and music.--Scots Gaelic proverb +";5;True +"From: u895027@franklin.cc.utas.edu.au (Mark Mackey) +Subject: Raytracers: which is best? +Organization: University of Tasmania, Australia. +Lines: 15 + +Hi all! + I've just recently become seriously hooked on POV, but there are a few +thing that I want to do that POV won't do (penumbral shadows, dispersion +etc.). I was just wondering: what other shareware/freeware raytracers are +out there, and what can they do? I've heard of Vivid and Polyray and +Rayshade and so on, but I'd rather no wade through several hundred pages of +manual for each trying to work out what their capabilities are. Can anyone +help? A comparison of tracing speed between each program would also be +mucho useful. + Mark. + +------------------------------------------------------------------------------- +Mark Mackey | Life is a terminal disease and oxygen is +mmackey@aqueous.ml.csiro.au | addictive. Are _you_ hooked? +------------------------------------------------------------------------------- +";1;True +"From: jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) +Subject: Re: The Inimitable Rushdie +Organization: Boston University Physics Department +Lines: 31 + +In article <2BCC892B.21864@ics.uci.edu> bvickers@ics.uci.edu (Brett J. Vickers) writes: + +>In article <115290@bu.edu> jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes: + +>>Well, seeing as you are not muslim the sort of fatwa issued by Khomeini +>>would not be relevant to you. I can understand your fear of persecution +>>and I share it even more than you (being muslim), however Rushdie's +>>behavior was not completely excusable. + +>Why should a fatwa issued by Khomeini be relevant to anyone who +>doesn't live in Iran? + +Issued by Khomeini it shouldn't be relevant to anyone. But issued +by an honest and learned scholar of Islam it would be relevant to +any muslim as it would be contrary to Islamic law which all muslims +are required to respect. + +> Who is it that decides whether Rushdie's behavior is excusable? + +Anyone sufficiently well versed in Islamic law and capable of reasoning, +if you are talking about a weak sense of ""excuse."" It depends on what +sense of ""excuse"" you have in mind. + + +> And who cares if you think it is inexcusable? + +Only someone who thinks my opinion is important, obviously. +Obviously you don't care, nor do I care that you don't care. + + +Gregg +";9;True +"From: dwilson@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (David Wilson) +Subject: Need APARTMENT/ROOM in BOSTON +Lines: 10 +Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA +Lines: 10 + + I will be in Boston (Cambridge specifically) working this summer +and am in need of a place to stay. If you have a room to sublease, or +anything of the sort I would appreciate a mail. +I am a 20-year old white male and am very flexible. I can adapt to a smoking +or non-smoking environment. Access to the 'T' would be nice, though I will +have a car thus need a parking space. +I would need this from late May or early June until aproximately end of July. +Any responses welcome. + + _Mike_ mbeck@vtssi.vt.edu +";8;True +"From: hughes@jupiter.ral.rpi.edu (Declan Hughes) +Subject: Manual for Eprom Blower (Logical Devices Prompro-8) Wanted +Nntp-Posting-Host: jupiter.ral.rpi.edu +Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY +Distribution: usa +Lines: 7 + + + I have an eprom blower made by Logical Devices and the + model name is Prompro-8, but I have lost the manual. Does anyone + have a spare manual that they would like to sell ? + + Declan Hughes + hughes@ral.rpi.edu +";11;True +"From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) +Subject: Re: fibromyalgia +Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA + +In article <93Apr5.133521edt.1231@smoke.cs.toronto.edu> craig@cs.toronto.edu (Craig MacDonald) writes: +>> It may be extremely +>>common, something like 5% of the population. It is treatable with +>>tricyclic antidepressant-type drugs (Elavil, Pamelor). +> +>Why is it treated with antidepressants? Is it considered a +>psychogenic condition? + +No. That these drugs happen to be useful as antidepressants is neither +here nor there. + +-- +Steve Dyer +dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer +";4;True +"From: cdm@pmafire.inel.gov (Dale Cook) +Subject: Re: Sexual Proposition = Sexual Harassment? +Organization: WINCO +Lines: 59 + +In article <1pkkidINNsrj@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> wdstarr@athena.mit.edu (William December Starr) writes: +> +>In article <1993Mar30.181636.22756@pmafire.inel.gov>, +>cdm@pmafire.inel.gov (Dale Cook) said: +> +>> A real world data point: A person has a much stronger legal claim for +>> harrassment (sexual or otherwise) if they make it clear to the +>> offender that their behaviour is unwanted. If the behaviour persists, +>> harrassment is much easier to demonstrate, due to the fact that the +>> offender knew that the behaviour was unwanted. +> +>No argument here... my original query regarded the question of why the +>_first_ sexual proposition made by Person A to Person B would be +>considered to be sexual harassment by some/many people. (Assuming, of +>course, that there does not exist a power relationship between A and B +>such that the proposition carries strong implications of extortion right +>from Word One.) + +I can only say that those people are wrong. The word harass means to +irritate or torment persistently; I'd hardly consider one time to fall +under the definition of persistent. Additionally, there is no basis +to assume the behaviour is unwanted, unlike an illegal proposition. +> +>> Of course, I think the original question of offering money for sex is +>> inarguably harrassment, because the activity is illegal, and could be +>> presumed to be unwanted by the average citizen. +> +>I have to take issue with this viewpoint... given that (a) prostitution +>is a victimless crime and (b) there are literally millions of Americans +>who participate in some sort of victimless activities which the state +>has defined to be criminal (e.g., prostitution, obscenity, gambling, +>using certain recreational drugs, having non-mercenary sex with persons +>not one's spouse in certain states, having ""unnatural"" sex with people +>regardless of marital status or exchange of money in certain states, +>etc.), I'd have to say that the idea that an activity may be presumed to +>be unwanted by the average citizen merely because it is illegal is the +>sort of sophistry that only a judge could indulge in with a straight +>face. (He said, speaking as a law student who's read his share of +>judicial opinions in which reality was not only denied but, in fact, +>actually inverted in order to make the universe conform to the writer's +>politics.) + +I was speaking from a legalistic viewpoint. What you say is true, but +the law, in order to make what little sense it manages to make, has to +make *some* assumptions. Assuming that an illegal activity is unwanted +by the average citizen I think is reasonable. Certainly, I would need +a preponderance of evidence on the side of the propositioner that there +was a reasonable belief that the proposition was welcome. + +The number of people who participate in ""victimless"" crimes notwithstanding, +the fact reamins that under the law, the activity is illegal. To presume +that the proposition *is* welcome simply because a large number of people +indulge in it is the type of sophistry only a lawyer could indulge in +with a straight face. +-------------------------------------------------------------------------- +...Dale Cook ""Any town having more churches than bars has a serious + social problem."" ---Edward Abbey +The opinions are mine only (i.e., they are NOT my employer's) +-------------------------------------------------------------------------- +";18;True +"From: rickc@krill.corp.sgi.com (Richard Casares) +Subject: Re: Jim Lefebvre is an idiot. +Nntp-Posting-Host: krill.corp.sgi.com +Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc. +Lines: 16 + +In article <1993Apr5.190141.17623@bsu-ucs>, 00bjgood@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu +writes: +|> I just wanted to let everyone know that I have lost what little respect +|> I have +|> for Jim LeFebvre after seeing today's Cubs game. +|> A dishard Cub fan + + +If you think that's bad, just wait until he tries Dunston in +the leadoff spot again. + +Yes, I also wonder if they can win with this manager. +I never believed managers had that much to do with winning +until I saw how much they had to do with losing.... + +- Rick +";14;True +"From: km@ky3b.pgh.pa.us (Ken Mitchum) +Subject: Re: How about a crash program in basic immunological research? +Organization: KY3B - Vax Pittsburgh, PA +Lines: 26 + +In article <93099.141148C09630GK@wuvmd.wustl.edu>, C09630GK@WUVMD (Gary Kronk) writes: +|> I have been contemplating this idea for some time as well. I am not a +|> doctor, but my wife is a nurse and I know a lot of doctors and nurses. +|> The point here being that doctors and nurses do not seem to get sick +|> nearly as much as people outside the medical profession. + +This is a lovely area for anecdotes, but I am sure you are on to something. +As a physician, I almost never get sick: usually, when something horrendous +is going around, I either don't get it at all or get a very mild case. +When I do get really sick, it is always something unusual. + +This was not the situation when I was in medical school, particularly on +pediatrics. I never had younger siblings myself, and when I went on the +pediatric wards I suddenly found myself confronting all sorts of infectious +challenges that my body was not ready for. Pediatrics for me was three solid +months of illness, and I had a temp of 104 when I took the final exam! + +I think what happens is that during training, and beyond, we are constantly +exposed to new things, and we have the usual reactions to them, so that later +on, when challenged with something, it is more likely a re-exposure for us, +so we deal with it well and get a mild illness. I don't think it is that +the immune system is hyped up in any way. Also, don't forget that the +hospital flora is very different from the home, and we carry a lot of that +around. + +-km +";4;True +"From: cerulean@access.digex.com (Bill Christens-Barry) +Subject: cytoskeleton dynamics +Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA +Lines: 16 +NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net +Summary: Fast dynamics of cytoskeleton re: transformed cells? +Keywords: cytoskeleton, microtubule, tubulin + +I'm looking for good background and review paper references that can help me +understand the dynamics of cytoskeleton in normal and transformed cells. In +particular, I'm not interested in translational behavior and cell motility, +but rather in the internal motions of the cytoskeleton and its components +under normal and transformed circumstances. + +Also, I'd appreciate any data on force constants, mechanical, and elastic +properties of microtubules, and viscous properties of cytoplasm. Any other +info relevant to the vibrational or acoustical properties of these would +be useful to me. + +Thanks... + +Bill Christens-Barry +cerulean@access.digex.com + +";4;True +"From: damelio@progress.COM (Stephen D'Amelio) +Subject: Re: Ford and the automobile +Nntp-Posting-Host: elba +Organization: Progress Software Corp. +Lines: 19 + +rwong@eis.calstate.edu (Russel Wong) writes: + +>Hello, my name is Russell Wong and I am doing a research project on Henry +>Ford and his automobile. I need information on whether Ford is +>partially responsible for all of the car accidents + +Ya, he cut me off on 128 the other day, he drives like a crazy person. +I'd have to say he's responsible for most accidents, they really should +pull his licence. + +-Steve + + +7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 + Alan Kulwicki 1992 Winston Cup Champion + 1954 - 1993 +7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 + + +";10;True +"From: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (Vesselin Bontchev) +Subject: Re: Secret algorithm [Re: Clipper Chip and crypto key-escrow] +Keywords: encryption, wiretap, clipper, key-escrow, Mykotronx +Reply-To: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de +Organization: Virus Test Center, University of Hamburg +Lines: 22 + +strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes: + +> Nothing I'm doing would be of the slightest interest to President Nixon . + +A typical example of seep-minded thinking. We all know that David +Sternlight is a jerk, but I'm afraid that in this case 90% of the +population will think like him. Realize it guys - NSA, Dorothy +Denning, and the US government have already won the battle... + +Unless... unless you succeed to wake up the people... but nah, that's +too unlikely... The events are happening too fast, cryptography is a +too sophisticated issue, and almost nobody cares anyway... A few +thousand of net.readers won't make the difference, if millions are +caught asleep... Too sad... :-((((( + +Regards, +Vesselin +-- +Vesselin Vladimirov Bontchev Virus Test Center, University of Hamburg +Tel.:+49-40-54715-224, Fax: +49-40-54715-226 Fachbereich Informatik - AGN +< PGP 2.2 public key available on request. > Vogt-Koelln-Strasse 30, rm. 107 C +e-mail: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de D-2000 Hamburg 54, Germany +";16;True +"From: hungjenc@phakt.usc.edu (Hung-Jen Chen) +Subject: Forsale: Sony D-22 diskman +Article-I.D.: phakt.1pqm89INNja1 +Distribution: na +Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA +Lines: 4 +NNTP-Posting-Host: phakt.usc.edu + + +Newsgroups: rec.audio,misc.forsale +Distribution: na +Subject: Forsale: Sony D-22 diskman +";8;True +"From: mvanhorn@desire.wright.edu (H.I.T. ( Hacker-In-Training )) +Subject: Re: Need to find out number to a phone +Organization: Wright State University +Lines: 12 + +Since I have seen various different numbers to dial to get your number read +back to you by the phone company, could someonepost a list or point me to a +book where I could get a list of all the different numbers for the U.S.? +Failing that, could someone tell me Ohio's? + + +-- +??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? +? 451 ? I don't speak for Wright ? +? mvanhorn@desire.wright.edu ? State, I just give them ? +? Wright State University ? huge amounts of money. ? +??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? +";11;True +"From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) +Subject: Re: Political Atheists? +Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena +Lines: 11 +NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu + +arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) writes: + +>>The motto originated in the Star-Spangled Banner. Tell me that this has +>>something to do with atheists. +>The motto _on_coins_ originated as a McCarthyite smear which equated atheism +>with Communism and called both unamerican. + +No it didn't. The motto has been on various coins since the Civil War. +It was just required to be on *all* currency in the 50's. + +keith +";9;True +"From: gmt@beach.cis.ufl.edu (Gary McTaggart) +Subject: 3d Animation Studio file format?? +Organization: Univ. of Florida CIS Dept. +Lines: 7 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: beach.cis.ufl.edu + +Is the "".3ds"" file format for Autodesk's 3D Animation Studio available? + +Thanks, +Gary + +(Please respond by email. I have a hell of a time keeping up with news!! +:-) ) +";1;True +"From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) +Subject: Re: Blindsight +Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) +Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science +Lines: 14 + +In article <1993Mar26.185117.21400@cs.rochester.edu> fulk@cs.rochester.edu (Mark Fulk) writes: +>In article <33587@castle.ed.ac.uk> hrvoje@castle.ed.ac.uk (H Hecimovic) writes: +>compensation? Or are lesions localized to the SC too rare to be able +>to tell? + +Extremely rare in humans. Usually so much else is involved you'd +just have a mess to sort out. Birds do all vision in the tectum, +don't they? + +-- +---------------------------------------------------------------------------- +Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and +geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" +---------------------------------------------------------------------------- +";4;True +"From: psyrobtw@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Robert Weiss) +Subject: 17 Apr 93 God's Promise in Luke 11:28 +Organization: University at Buffalo +Lines: 8 +News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 +Nntp-Posting-Host: ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu + + + But he said, + Yea rather, + blessed are they + that hear the word of God, + and keep it. + + Luke 11:28 +";19;True +"From: mikey@sgi.com (Mike Yang) +Subject: Re: 17"" Monitors +Nntp-Posting-Host: eukanuba.wpd.sgi.com +Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc. +Lines: 12 + +In article <1qslfs$bm1@access.digex.net> rash@access.digex.com (Wayne Rash) writes: +>I also reviewed a new Nanao, the F550iW, which has just +>been released. + +What's the difference between the F550i and the new F550iW? I'm +about to buy a Gateway system and was going to take the F550i +upgrade. Should I get the F550iW instead? + +----------------------------------------------------------------------- + Mike Yang Silicon Graphics, Inc. + mikey@sgi.com 415/390-1786 + +";5;True +"From: smb@research.att.com (Steven Bellovin) +Subject: Re: The Old Key Registration Idea... +Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories +Lines: 19 + +In article , rlglende@netcom.com (Robert Lewis Glendenning) writes: +> I have been chided for stating that Dorthy Denning was intellectually +> dishonest in the ACM debate and in this newsgroup. I have previously +> refrained from suggesting that she is arguing on behalf of consulting +> clients. +> +> Now, I say that it is clear that Dorthy Denning has been functioning +> as a lobbyist, not a computer scientist. She has used legal ethics +> (truth is what you can convince anyone of), not scientific ethics +> (truth is understanding the external world). +> +> Maybe we can revoke her ACM membership? 8) + +I suggest that you refrain from such insults unless and until you can +produce some evidence to back up that claim. Given the measures proposed +or passed in the last year or so, such as S.266 and the scanner ban, +her proposal need not be any more than her own attempt at a technical +solution. It's entirely possible, in fact, that it was the notion of +splitting the key, which came up in the debate, that softened this proposal. +";16;True +"From: arussell@austin.ibm.com (AG Russell) +Subject: Re: Off the shelf cheap DES keyseach machine (Was: Re: Corporate acceptance of the wiretap chip) +Originator: arussell@pal500.austin.ibm.com +Organization: IBM Austin +Lines: 29 + + +In article <1993Apr21.001230.26384@lokkur.dexter.mi.us>, scs@lokkur.dexter.mi.us (Steve Simmons) writes: +> smb@research.att.com (Steven Bellovin) writes: +> +> >Thousands? Tens of thousands? Do some arithmetic, please... Skipjack +> >has 2^80 possible keys. Let's assume a brute-force engine like that +> >hypothesized for DES: 1 microsecond per trial, 1 million chips. That's +> >10^12 trials per second, or about 38,000 years for 2^80 trials. Well, +> >maybe they can get chips running at one trial per nanosecond, and build +> >a machine with 10 million chips. Sure -- only 3.8 years for each solution. +> +> Normally I'd be the last to argue with Steve . . . but shouldn't that +> read ""3.8 years for *all* solutions"". I mean, if we can imagine the +> machine that does 1 trial/nanosecond, we can imagine the storage medium +> that could index and archive it. + +At the company I worked for previously, I received a file that was des encryped +and the person that had sent it, went on vaction. Rather than wait two weeks +I set up a straight frontal attack with one key at a time. It only took two(2) +days to crack the file. No, I don't have any faith in DES. + +A.G. + + + +-- +A.G. Russell Dept A06S OLTP section of PALS Group VM ID SC39093 at AUSVM1 +Email arussell@austin.ibm.com Phone 512-838-7953 TieLine 678-7953 +These are my views, on anyone else they would look silly. FREE THE BERKELEY 4.4 +";16;True +"From: jonh@david.wheaton.edu (Jonathan Hayward) +Subject: Re: Pantheism & Environmentalism +Organization: Wheaton College, IL +Lines: 46 + +In article by028@cleveland.freenet.edu (Gary V. Cavano) writes: +>I'm new to this group, and maybe this has been covered already, +>but does anybody out there see the current emphasis on the +>environment being turned (unintentionally, of course) into +>pantheism? + +Yes. + +(I am adamantly an environmentalist. I will not use styrofoam table service. +Please keep that in mind as you read this post - I do not wish to attack +environmentalism) + +A half truth is at least as dangerous as a complete lie. A complete lie will +rarely be readily accepted, while a half truth (the lie subtly hidden) is more +powerfully offered by one who masquerades as an angel of light. + +Satan has (for some people) loosened the grip on treating the earth as something +other than God's intricate handiwork, something other than that on which the +health of future generations is based. It is being treated with respect. You +think he's going to happily leave it at that? No. When one error is rejected, +it is his style to push people to the opposite error. Therefore the earth is +not God's intricate handiwork, not because it is rubbish, but because it is +God. Mother earth is the one you are to primarily love and serve. + +I see two facets of a response to it: + +1: Care for the environment. Treat it with proper respect, both because it is + God's intricate handiwork and the health of future generation, and because + showing the facet of one who is disregardful of such things does not + constitute what the Apostle Paul called ""becoming all things to all men so + that by all possible means I might save some."" + + Don't say ""Forget the environment, I've got important things to spend my time + on."" - putting your foot in your mouth in this manner will destroy your + credibility in expressing the things that _are_ more important. + +2: Show that it is not the ultimate entity, that it is creature and not + creator. Show that its beauty and glory points to a greater beauty and + glory. Show that it is not the ultimate tapestry, but one of many cords + woven in the infinite tapestry. + +################################################################################ +# ""God, give me mountains # ""But the greatest # Jonathan Hayward # +# to climb and the # of these is love."" # Jonathan_Hayward@wheaton.edu # +# strength for climbing."" # I Corinthians 13:13 # jhayward@imsa.edu # +################################################################################ +";17;True +"From: storm@cs.mcgill.ca (Marc WANDSCHNEIDER) +Subject: Re: IDE vs SCSI +Nntp-Posting-Host: mnementh.cs.mcgill.ca +Organization: SOCS, McGill University, Montreal, Canada +Lines: 22 + +In article wayne@amtower.spacecoast.orgX-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16f (10.17.92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith writes: +>In article <1993Apr15.235509.29818@julian.uwo.ca> wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith) writes: +>> +>> I won't argue that the SCSI standard makes for a good, well implimented +>> data highway, but I still want to know why it intrinsically better +>> (than IDE, on an ISA bus) when it comes to multi-tasking OS's when +>> managing data from a single SCSI hard drive. +> +>I have been following this thread and figured I'd throw in my two cents... +> +>The Amiga Zorro II bus is comparable with the ISA bus (7.16 vs 8.33 MHZ). + + Except for the fact that it's superior in just about every way to +the ISA Bus. + +>The Amiga has had a pre-emptative multi-tasking OS since '85 and can +>operate with 1 MB RAM! SCSI is used almost exclusively on these systems. + + Except for the new systems that now ship only with IDE controllers. + + ToodlepiP! + Marc 'em. +";5;True +"From: chen@protostar.harvard.edu +Subject: re: BBBBIG problem with W4W print file. Help!!!! +Organization: Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics +Distribution: world +Lines: 34 + + +In article <1993Mar31.014237.28478@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca> dwoo@unb.ca writes: +>To all the W4W experts: +> +>I have a file that is three pages long with 10 to 12 1-line equations +>plus a 5""by 2"" diagram. The size of this file is about 81KB before +>unlinking all the embedded objects and 30KB after unlinking all the +>embedded objects. Well, when I print it (since I don't have a laser +>printer, I have to send it to a print file), W4W gives me back a +>BBBBBBIG file that is well over 6MB long. I just fail to see how a 81K +>file can be boosted to a 6MB file. Obviously, I will not able to carry +>this 6MB+ file to the public printer unless I find myself a network +>card, a cable etc. +> +>Could anyone please enlighten me with a solution? (I already try to +>print a page at a time, it still won't fit into a HD floppy) +> +>Thanx a mil. +> +> +> +>***************************************************************** +>* Dennis Woo Department of Mechanical Engineering * +>* E-mail: dwoo@unb.ca University of New Brunswick * +>* Tel: (506) 453-4513 * +>***************************************************************** +> +> +I once had this problem. All I did was to copy the whole doc to a new file. The problem +was gone. Hope this helps. + +Hua + + +";6;True +"From: gfk39017@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (George F. Krumins) +Subject: Re: space news from Feb 15 AW&ST +Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana +Lines: 23 + +jbreed@doink.b23b.ingr.com (James B. Reed) writes: + +>In article , henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) writes: +>|> [Pluto's] atmosphere will start to freeze out around 2010, and after about +>|> 2005 increasing areas of both Pluto and Charon will be in permanent +>|> shadow that will make imaging and geochemical mapping impossible. + +It's my understanding that the freezing will start to occur because of the +growing distance of Pluto and Charon from the Sun, due to it's +elliptical orbit. It is not due to shadowing effects. + +>Where does the shadow come from? There's nothing close enough to block +>sunlight from hitting them. I wouldn't expect there to be anything block +>our view of them either. What am I missing? + +Pluto can shadow Charon, and vice-versa. + +George Krumins +-- +-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- +| George Krumins | +| gfk39017@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu | +| Pufferfish Observatory | +";2;True +"From: rj3s@Virginia.EDU (""Get thee to a nunnery....."") +Subject: Re: Israeli Terrorism +Organization: University of Virginia +Lines: 1 + +Just kidding +";15;True +"From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) +Subject: Re: Possible Canadian WC Team? +Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department +Lines: 22 + +In article <1993Apr18.194657.26319@news.columbia.edu> gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) writes: +>nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes: +>> +>>CENTERS +>>Mark Messier, N. Y. Rangers +> +>Messier was not invited due to his nagging injuries. While the press +>made an issue of it, and attempted to link it to the Rangers' internal +>political woes, Mike Keenan repeated that to Messier personally during +>the MSG press conference. It makes sense ... Messier would probably +>have not declined the invitation if it were made for publicity ... +> + +Actually, Messier was invited, but declined due to nagging injuries... +Keenan and Messier have always gotten along...Keenan dumped Steve +Yzerman from the last Canada Cup team, even though Yzerman had +endured the training camp, when Messier who had missed essentially the +entire camp recovering from injuries became available at the +last moment. + +Gerald + +";13;True +"From: henrik@quayle.kpc.com +Subject: Re: ARMENIA SAYS IT COULD SHOOT DOWN TURKISH PLANES +Organization: NONE +Lines: 100 + +In article , mucit@cs.rochester.edu (Bulent Murtezaoglu) writes: +|> In article <1993Apr20.164517.20876@kpc.com> henrik@quayle.kpc.com writes: +|> [stuff deleted] +|> +henrik] Country. Turks and Azeris consistantly WANT to drag ARMENIA into the +henrik] KARABAKH conflict with Azerbaijan. + +BM] Gimme a break. CAPITAL letters, or NOT, the above is pure nonsense. It +BM] seems to me that short sighted Armenians are escalating the hostilities + ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ + Again, Armenians in KARABAKH are SIMPLY defending themselves. What do + want them to do. Lay down their ARMS and let Azeris walk all over them. + +BM] while hoping that Turkey will stay out. Stop and think for a moment, +BM] will you? Armenia doesn't need anyone to drag her into the conflict, it +BM] is a part of it. + +Armenians KNEW from the begining that TURKS were FULLY engaged +training AZERIS militarily to fight against KARABAKHI-Armenians. + +henrik] The KARABAKHI-ARMENIANS who have lived in their HOMELAND for 3000 +henrik] years (CUT OFF FROM ARMENIA and GIVEN TO AZERIS BY STALIN) are the +henrik] ones DIRECTLY involved in the CONFLICT. They are defending +henrik] themselves against AZERI AGGRESSION. + +BM] Huh? You didn't expect Azeri's to be friendly to forces fighting with them +BM] within their borders? + + Well, history is SAD. Remember, those are relocated Azeris into + the Armenian LAND of KARABAKH by the STALIN regime. + +henrik] At last, I hope that the U.S. insists that Turkey stay out of the +henrik] KARABAKH crisis so that the repeat of the CYPRUS invasion WILL NEVER +henrik] OCCUR again. + +BM] You're not playing with a full deck, are you? Where would Turkey invade? + + It is not up to me to speculate but I am sure Turkey would have stepped + into Armenia if SHE could. + +BM] Are you throwing the Cyprus buzzword around with s.c.g. in the header +BM] in hopes that the Greek netters will jump the gun? + + Absolutely NOT ! I am merely trying to emphasize that in many + cases, HISTORY repeats itself. + +BM] Yes indeed Turkey has the military prowess to intervene, what she wishes +BM] she had, however, is the diplomatic power to stop the hostilities and bring +BM] the parties to the negotiating table. That's hard to do when Armenians +BM] are attacking Azeri towns. + + So, let me understand in plain WORDS what you are saying; Turkey + wants a PEACEFUL END to this CONFLICT. NOT !! + + I will believe it when I see it. + + Now, as far as attacking, what do you do when you see a GUN pointing + to your HEAD ? Do you sit there and WATCH or DEFEND yoursef(fat chance)? + Do you remember what Azeris did to the Armenians in BAKU ? All the + BARBERIAN ACTS especially against MOTHERS and their CHILDREN. I mean + BURNING people ALIVE ! + +BM] Armenian leaders are lacking the statesmanship to recognize the +BM] futility of armed conflict and convince their nation that a compromise that +BM] leads to stability is much better than a military faits accomplis that's +BM] going to cause incessant skirmishes. + + Armenians in KARABAKH want PEACE and their own republic. They are + NOT asking much. They simply want to get back what was TAKEN AWAY + from them and GIVEN to AZERIS by STALIN. + +BM] Think of 10 or 20 years down the line -- both of the newly independent +BM] countries need to develop economically and neither one is going to wipe +BM] the other out. These people will be neighbors, would it not be better +BM] to keep the bad blood between them minimal? + + Don't get me WRONG. I also want PEACEFUL solution to the + conflict. But until Azeris realize that, the Armenians in + KARABAKH will defend themselves against aggresion. + +BM] If you belong to the Armenian diaspora, keep in mind that what strikes +BM] your fancy on the map is costing the local Armenians dearly in terms of +BM] their blood and future. + + Again, you are taking different TURNS. Armenia HAS no intension + to GRAB any LAND from Azerbaijan. The Armenians in KARABAKH + are simply defending themselves UNTIL a solution is SET. + +BM] It's easy to be comfortable abroad and propagandize +BM] craziness to have your feelings about Turks tickled. The Armenians +BM] in Armenia and N-K will be there, with the same people you seem to hate +BM] as their neighbors, for maybe 3000 years more. The sooner there's peace in +BM] the region the better it is for them and everyone else. I'd push for +BM] compromise if I were you instead of hitting the caps-lock and spreading +BM] inflammatory half-truths. + + It is NOT up to me to decide the PEACE initiative. I am absolutely + for it. But, in the meantime, if you do not take care of yourself, + you will be WIPED out. Such as the case in the era of 1915-20 of + The Armenian Massacres. +";15;True +"From: cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (OrioleFan@uiuc) +Subject: Re: And America's Team is....But Why? +Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana +Lines: 43 + +kingoz@camelot.bradley.edu (Orin Roth) writes: + +> Well, officially it's the Braves. At least up until they started winning +> it was. Are they still, officially? +> If so, why? and how did they receive this label? +> +> Unoffically, but without a doubt, America's Team is the Cubs. Why? +> Well, my guess is because America loves underdogs. Every year, no matter +> the Cubs' talent or the predictions, they never (as close to never as +> possible) win anything. Over the years, as the losing has mounted, America +> has fallen in love with these perennial losers. The Cubs have more fans +> in Chicago then some teams do worldwide. The Cubs have more fans +> worldwide than most of the teams in their division combined. +> An aura of excitement surrounds the Cubs at the beginning of the season +> like no one else. (including the WS champs) It must be that Eternal Hope. +> ""this is the year. they've got the talent. they're off to a good start. +> they've got the pitching (or hitting, or whatever their strong point is +> at the time)."" It's that inevitability that the Cubs WILL eventually +> win the WS again. When? Only God knows. Since it's been so long, it +> could come at any time, or it could be another 85 years. But until they +> do finally win, and start winning consistently, The Cubs will remain +> America's Lovable Underdogs. The Cubs are...AMERICA'S TEAM. +> Orin. +> Bradley U> + + The defenition of the Underdog is a team that has no talent and comes +out of nowhere to contend. The '69 Mets and '89 Orioles are prime examples, +not the Cubs. I root for the Cubs, because I feel sorry for them, but +basically they are dogs. The Pirates today are a great example of an underdog. +If the Rockies and Marlins compete, they will be underdogs. The North Stars +trip to the Stanley Cup finals was a good example of an underdog's journey. +The Cubs have a good team this year, and play in a weak division, they are much +less than America's Team. + + +> +>-- +>I'm really a jester in disguise! +-- +Chintan Amin mail: llama@uiuc.edu +******************************Neil Peart, (c)1981***************************** +*""Quick to judge, Quick to Anger, Slow to understand, Ignorance and Prejudice* +*And********Fear********Walk********************Hand*********in*********Hand""* +";14;True +"From: gedwards@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Gordon Edwards) +Subject: Re: protection fault +Keywords: fault +Organization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing Atlanta -- Atlanta, GA +Distribution: na +Lines: 40 + +In thia@sce.carleton.ca (Yong Thia) writes: +>Hi! I was wondering if anyone out there could help me. +>I have an error message that goes: +> +> +> +>What does it mean? +> +>I am running MS windows 3.1. + +Ummm.. I think you left the message out... + +I get these protection faults all the time on my machine at work, a +486 33MHz with 4MB RAM, Windows 3.1, with Dos 5.0. + +At home (on a 386 40MHz, 8MB RAM, Windows 3.1 and Dos 5.0) I *never* get +these. + +Any idea what could be wrong? Someone already suggested I check for tmp +files in the windows/temp directory, there are none there. + +The message I get is: + + This application has violated system integrity due to an invalid + general protection fault and will be terminated. + +I only have this problem with applications running in DOS boxes (with or +without .pif files setup for them). + +Any hints/help greatly appreciated. Please post since at least one other +person is also having gpf problems. + +Thanks, + Gordon + +-- +============================================================================= +Gordon Edwards, N4VPH | ""Nothing Unreal Exists"" +NCR Engineering & Manufacturing | +gedwards@ncratl.atlantaga.ncr.com | Kiri-Kin-Tha's First Law of Metaphysics +";6;True +"From: woody@cco.caltech.edu (William Edward Woody) +Subject: Re: Top Ten Signs That It's the Age of Aquarius on Pennsylvania Avenue +Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena +Lines: 93 +NNTP-Posting-Host: alumni.caltech.edu + +In article <1ql7tuINN8j8@MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU> chaudhary-amar@yale.edu (Amar Chaudhary) writes: +> +>6. Hey, I think the beaded curtains add a lovely 60's-esque touch! + +AAAAAAAAAAAA! RUN! RUN FOR YOUR LIVES! + + +>5. Look, Canada, Europe, and Japan manage to provide health care for their +> citizens (and, yes, basic health IS a human right which people are +> entitled to). If these nations aren't capitalist enough for you, then +> I guess we've found something better than capitalism! There is nothing +> sacred about the capitalist system, and if something, be it socialism +> or anything else, works better, then I say let capitalism die. + +Then why are they in the process of systematically dismantling some of +their socialistic health care systems through privitization of key components? + +>4. Make love, not War! + +If I hold a gun to your wife, would you respond the same way? I don't +think so. While the age of aquarius may have hit the White House, the +age of peace love and harmony hasn't hit in South Central LA nor has it +hit in former Yugoslavia. And as long as there are people in the world +who would rather see me dead than thrive, I want the protection of a +police force who will keep the peace so I *can* make love without being +shot. + +>3. Contrary to popular belief, it is possible to be a male and a feminist +> at the same time. To discriminate against or to deny equal opportunity +> to a MAJORITY of the population is just plain wrong, and trying to force +> them into some sort of tradition role is even worse. Women certainly +> have as much to offer this world as men, and the day that gender +> discrimination is finally broken it going to make all the revolutions of +> the past few centuries seem like reform bills. I look forward to it. + +The ultimate statement for equal rights (something many of the feminazis +have forgotten) is ""I do not care if you are either a man or a woman, +I do not care if you are black or white, I do not care if you are gay +or straight."" Once you can honistly say ""I do not care about color, +race, or gender or sexual preference"", then we will truly be on the +right track. + +Keep shoving differences in my face and then expect us all to get along? +Get real! So long as you try to make me care if you are black, female, +or whatever, I am going to continue to balk. It's natural human behaviour. + +But the moment employers searching for employees, banks looking to lend +money, and theClinton administration looking for appointees can honistly +say ""I do not care about your color, race, gender, or sexual preferences; +I instend instead to treat you as a human being,"" crap like last year's +riots will continue to happen. + +>1. HEY MAN, ACADAMIA RULES!! + +Barf. + +You mean the same economic theorists who say things like ""for the sake +of convenience in mathematical modeling we will first assume there is +no wealth creation"" now get a crack at implementing their PhD thesis in +real life? + +Go back to your textbooks on macroeconomic theory. Look in the first chapter +of that book, introducing the field of macroeconomic theory. Right there +in chapter 1, section 1, is a statement like the following: + + ""As it is difficult to predict and model wealth creation, + especially in an economy where wealth creation is inherently + the province of individuals who create new inventions and + discover new ideas, we will assume for the rest of this + book that there is no wealth creation. + + ""We do not assume the lack of weath creation in the real world, + however the mathematical modeling of such an inherently + unpredictable subject is impossible. Even though we assume + no wealth creation, we do believe that for most mathematical + economic modeling such an assumption is reasonably valid + as it allows us to make predictions which then can be tested."" + +So the guys who are running the store for Clinton and company are now +assuming that wealth creation does not exists. They are (borrowing an +idea from the Hitchhiker's Guide) too advanced to think of these simple +things. + +To be honist, I would rather have an engineer with years of experience +building bridges design the next bridge, rather than a theoretical +physicists with a freshly minted PhD and no experience do the same job. + + - Bill Woody + +Normally I don't post (or even read most of the postings) in this newsgroup. +If you would like to reply to this message and want me to see the reply, +then I guess you will just have to reply directly to me. + +";18;True +"From: wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith) +Subject: Re: IDE vs SCSI +Organization: The John P. Robarts Research Institute, London, Ontario +Nntp-Posting-Host: valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca +Lines: 141 + +In article shaw@feanor.xel.com (Greg Shaw) writes: +>: Why don't you start with the spec-sheet of the ISA bus first? +>: You can quote SCSI specs till you're blue in the face, but if they +>: exceed the ISA bus capability, then what's the point? +> +>Who said ISA was necessary? EISA or VLB are the only interfaces worth +>investing thousands of dollars (e.g. a new pc's worth of money ) in . + +Then don't complain (maybe it wasn't you) that SCSI was so expensive on +PC's because all we've had until a year or two ago was the ISA bus. +(ie no one buys SCSI for ISA because ISA is slow) +Are you saying that SCSI on an ISA bus is not an automatic winner when +compared to IDE? + +>You didn't read to carefully. VLB-IDE uses the same connection mechanism +>as standard IDE. If transfer rate is limited by IDE, whether it's +>interfaced to ISA, EISA or VLB matters not. + +I get different transfer rates out of my IDE when I change my ISA bus speed. + +>On mine, for one thing. SCSI blows IDE out of the water, hands down. If +>IDE has better throughput, why isn't it used on workstations and file +>servers? + +IDE is just a variant of the old IBM- MFM AT controller. (at least that's +how it looks from a software point of view). It was never meant to be +an all-encompassing protocal/standard to be implimented across different +platforms. + +Is there any argument that +IDE can (or can't) transfer data from the IDE drive at least as fast as the +drive is able to provide the data? Are SCSI versions of IDE drives able +to deliver higher sustained transfer rates to their SCSI interface (because +of a higher RPM platter, different arrangement of heads, etc?)? + +>: Given the original question (SCSI used only as a single hard drive +>: controller), is it then necessary to get a SCSI drive that will do +>: at least 5, maybe 10 megs/sec for the SCSI choice to make any sence? +>: What does a 200-400 meg 5 megs/sec SCSI drive cost? +> +>No, that's the nice thing -- on a multitasking OS, SCSI can use both drives +>at once. I've got unix loaded on one of my pcs (along with windogs) and the OS can only use one of the two IDE drives at one time. It's pretty ugly. + +If data is going from one drive to another, and if SCSI has the ability to +perform that transfer without the data having to go through the CPU or main +memory, then yes, that is the optimal way to do it. As far as I know, IDE +can't do that. But when the CPU wants data from both drives (data to be stored +in main memory) are you saying that SCSI can grab data from both drives +at the same time *and* store/transfer that data to main memory also at the +same time? Working off 1 IRQ and 1 DMA channel on an ISA (or whatever) bus? + +>I just bought at Quantum 240 for my mac at home. I paid $369 for it. I +>haven't seen IDE drives cheaper. + +A friend of mine just got a Maxtor 245 meg IDE drive for $320. (that's 245 +million bytes, or 234 mega-bytes). With the basic $20 interface, he gets +close to 1 meg/sec transfer on his 286-20. Does your figure include a few +hundred $$$ for SCSI drivers? + +>No, actually, we're talking about SCSI being expensive simply because +>nobody did a common interface for the PC. If they had a common (read: +>easily implemented) method of adding scsi to a PC (like as in a Sun or +>Mac), then you'd find SCSI the connection medium of choice. + +So you're saying that SCSI would have been the default interface type, +considering that the vast majority of PC's don't have cd-rom drives or +tape backups or etc? That most PC's only have (or had) 1 hard drive and +run DOS? That SCSI hard drives cost a lot more than MFM or RLL drives +at the time? (and how common were SCSI drives under 80 megs 4 to 10 years +ago?) There's a lot more than the lack of a common interface card that +prevented SCSI from becoming the connection medium of choice. + +>: I won't argue that the SCSI standard makes for a good, well implimented +>: data highway, but I still want to know why it intrinsically better +>: (than IDE, on an ISA bus) when it comes to multi-tasking OS's when +>: managing data from a single SCSI hard drive. +> +>On a single drive, SCSI is more expensive. + +But on that point, is it faster? This is what all this is about. Do you +get more performance for the money. For all the people that will only have +a single hard drive in their system (regardless of the OS) will the SCSI +choice really give them more performance than IDE? + +>But, you bought your PC for +>expandibility, so, you'd want to add more drives or whatever. + +True, but expandibility can also start on the bus, which means the option +is there for cd-rom drives or tape backups that run off their own cards. + +> 1. You can add many different types of devices and access them +> concurrently. + +No argument. This is always held up to the first time SCSI buyer as the +best reason. But how many SCSI devices will the first time SCSI buyer +eventually acquire? Again does it make sense to go SCSI for a single +hard drive system? + +> 2. A SCSI device works on many different machines (I have a mac +> and a PC at home and moving hard drives between them is VERY nice +> with SCSI -- hook them up and away they go) + +With all the postings on the SCSI I or II specs, are you really sure that +PC and Apple SCSI hard drives are compatible? And even if they are, +is the data accessible from either machine (ie are there no formatting/ +partitioning or file table differences?) Is it really plug'n'play? + +> 3. SCSI devices work together better than IDE devices. For +> instance, recently, I added an older connor 100 meg IDE to a maxtor +> 212 meg IDE. The connor *MUST* be setup as the slave. It will +> work no other way. On SCSI, you set the address, check the +> termination, plug it in, and away it goes. + +So the C: drive on the connor becomes a logical D: drive to DOS. Is this +really a problem? + +> 4. I have a problem with IDE's mutual exclusion - I notice that +> the time it takes to switch from accessing drive c: to drive d: is +> quite long as compared to the time it takes to switch from drive c: +> to d: on a SCSI system. Under a multitasking OS, this is very +> noticable, as many things can be going on at once. + +After having two IDE drives in my system for temporary file transfers, +I have never seen any differences when switching between drives, nor +have I ever seen any differences when transfering files between drives or +to/from the same drive. + +>One neat thing that I've noticed lately (a fringe benefit) has been the +>ability to add older (almost dead) drives as storage on a SCSI system with +>little problem -- we've got a bunch of almost dead 20 meg drives that I've +>added to my PC. I've now got the interface full, but, it does allow me to +>have 4 20 meg drives, 1 240 meg drive, 1 tape drive, and 1 105 meg drive +>all on the same card. + +That is nice (as long as the power supply can keep up). I do believe that +there is the possibility for up to 4 IDE drives on a PC. + +>Simply put, SCSI is handier than IDE. No mysterious jumpers to figure out. + +But what about ""mysterious"" (and expensive) drivers to figure out? At least +IDE doesn't require drivers that consume precious conventional (DOS) memory. +";5;True +"From: censwm@cend3c7.caledonia.hw.ac.uk (Stuart W Munn) +Subject: Macintosh Lisa Dot Matrix Parallel Printer +Organization: Dept of Computing and Electrical Engineering, Heriot-Watt University, Scotland +Lines: 15 + +I have got a dot matrix printer that came with a Lisa (I think) I wish to attach it to a PC, but have no manual. I have been told that it is some sort of C.Itoh printer in disguise. Can anyone help with manuals or info about codes to send to select fonts, italics etc. I want to write a printer driver for Protext. + +Thanks in advance + +Stuart + +========================================================================= +Stuart Munn DOD# 0717 +Heriot-Watt University ""The sky is BLACK . . . +Edinburgh therefore GOD, he is a St Mirren +Scotland, EH14 4AS supporter!!!"" +031 451-3265 +031 451-3261 FAX God may have a Harley . . . +E-Mail censwm@UK.AC.HW.CLUST (JANET) But the Pope rides a Guzzi! +========================================================================= +";0;True +"From: A1RODRIG@vma.cc.nd.edu +Subject: What a HATE filled newsgroup!!!! +Organization: Bullwinkle Fan Club +Lines: 5 + +Is this group for real? I honestly can't believe that most of you expect you +or your concerns to be taken remotely seriously if you behave this way in a +forum for discussion. Doesn't it ever occur to those of you who write letters +like the majority of those in this group that you're being mind-bogglingly +hypocritical? +";15;True +"From: cmwolf@mtu.edu (Engineer by Day - Asleep by Night) +Subject: Re: Answers to many electronics Questions +Organization: Michigan Technological University +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] +Lines: 19 + +Bill Willis (willisw@willisw.ENG.CLEMSON.edu) wrote: +: I have notice a lot of electronics questions by people who are obviously not +: ""tuned-in"" to electronics. Many of them have rather simple answers, and +: many of them require a circuit diagram. + +: Rather than muck up the network, why don't you write to me, send a self- +: addressed, stamped envelop, and I'll answer your questions, if I can. + +: W. L. Willis, P. E. +: 114 Fern Circle +: Clemson, SC 29631 + +Because the network is quicker, easier, and free (at least to me). + +-- +------------------------------------------------------------------------------ +Christopher Wolf Electrical Engineer cmwolf@mtu.edu +------------------------------------------------------------------------------ + Remember, even if you win the Rat Race - You're still a rat. +";11;True +"From: dennisn@ecs.comm.mot.com (Dennis Newkirk) +Subject: Re: First Spacewalk +Organization: Motorola +Distribution: sci +Nntp-Posting-Host: 145.1.146.43 +Lines: 14 + +In article flb@flb.optiplan.fi (""F.Baube[tm]"") writes: +>At one time there was speculation that the first spacewalk +>(Alexei Leonov ?) was a staged fake. +> +>Has any evidence to support or contradict this claim emerged ? +> +>Was this claim perhaps another fevered Cold War hallucination ? + +This claim was made when someone spotted training film footage spliced into +the footage of the actual spacewalk. + +Dennis Newkirk (dennisn@ecs.comm.mot.com) +Motorola, Land Mobile Products Sector +Schaumburg, IL +";2;True +"From: thester@nyx.cs.du.edu (Uncle Fester) +Subject: Re: New Study Out On Gay Percentage +X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University + of Denver for the Denver community. The University has neither + control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users. +Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept. +Lines: 23 + +In article kaldis@romulu +.rutgers.edu (Theodore A. Kaldis) writes: +>> -- +>> ------ Join the Pythagorean Reform Church! . +>> \ / Repent of your evil irrational numbers . . +>> \ / and bean eating ways. Accept 10 into your heart! . . . +> ^^^^^^^^^^^ +>> \/ Call the Pythagorean Reform Church BBS at 508-793-9568 . . . . +> +>The above smacks of antiHispanic bigotry. + + Really? What if it said ""lentil eating"" or ""legume eating"", + what then? + And I suppose ""Accept 10"" is anti-Octal bigotry? + Geez, how PC can you get!? + + Uncle Fester + +-- + : What God Wants : God wants gigolos : + : God gets : God wants giraffes : + : God help us all : God wants politics : + : *thester@nyx.cs.du.edu* : God wants a good laugh : +";18;True +"From: michaelb@compnews.co.uk (Michael Burton) +Subject: Performance Bike Frenzy at Cadwell +Organization: Computer Newspaper Services, Howden, UK. +Lines: 7 +NNTP-Posting-Host: cassia.compnews.co.uk +X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4 + +Is anyone going to the P.B frenzy at Cadwell park in May. +I am going, but only to watch. + + +-- + When asked what would I most want to try before doing it, + I said Death. +";7;True +"From: Steve.Green@its.csiro.au (Steve Green) +Subject: Any Subaru Liberty owners out there? +Article-I.D.: toyland.Steve.Green-060493151309 +Organization: ITS Branch, CSIRO, Australia +Lines: 16 +Nntp-Posting-Host: toyland.its.csiro.au + +I've had my Subaru Liberty 4WD station wagon for about 8 months now. Saying +I'm happy with it would be an understatement! + +Just great. Well built, handles beautifully, plenty of power. I've only +had if 'off tar' once. Did a trip over the mountains on a narrow, windy +dirt road, often _very dodgey_ in parts. The Subaru did it with ease. +I havent had so much fun driving a car for years! + +Any other owners out there? + +************************************************************************ +* Steve Green * ""Hey Rocky, watch me pull a rabbit outa' my hat!"" * +* Comms Group * ""That trick never works"" * +* ITS Branch * ""Nothin' up my sleeve - PRESTO!"" * +* CSIRO Australia * ""No doubt about it - I gotta get another hat"" * +************************************************************************ +";10;True +"From: mmm@cup.portal.com (Mark Robert Thorson) +Subject: Re: food-related seizures? +Organization: The Portal System (TM) +Distribution: world +Lines: 6 + +I remember hearing a few years back about a new therapy for hyperactivity +which involved aggressively eliminating artificial coloring and flavoring +from the diet. The theory -- which was backed up by interesting anecdotal +results -- is that certain people are just way more sensitive to these +chemicals than other people. I don't remember any connection being made +with seizures, but it certainly couldn't hurt to try an all-natural diet. +";4;True +"From: ch981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tony Alicea) +Subject: Re: OTO, the Ancient Order of Oriental Templars +Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) +Lines: 11 +Reply-To: ch981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tony Alicea) +NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu + + +In a previous article, shades@sorinc.cutler.com (Darrin A. Hyrup) says: + +>They [Thelema Lodge] don't have an internet address, but they do have a CIS +>address which can be reached via uucp/internet. It is 72105,1351 so I guess +>that would be '72105.1351@cis.com' or something like that. +> + ......@compuserve.com + +Tony + +";19;True +"From: ayr1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Amir Y Rosenblatt) +Subject: Re: Go Hezbollah!! +Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixa.cc.columbia.edu +Reply-To: ayr1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Amir Y Rosenblatt) +Organization: Columbia University +Lines: 50 + +In article <1993Apr14.125813.21737@ncsu.edu> hernlem@chess.ncsu.edu (Brad Hernlem) writes: +> +>Lebanese resistance forces detonated a bomb under an Israeli occupation +>patrol in Lebanese territory two days ago. Three soldiers were killed and +>two wounded. In ""retaliation"", Israeli and Israeli-backed forces wounded +>8 civilians by bombarding several Lebanese villages. Ironically, the Israeli +>government justifies its occupation in Lebanon by claiming that it is +>necessary to prevent such bombardments of Israeli villages!! +> +>Congratulations to the brave men of the Lebanese resistance! With every +>Israeli son that you place in the grave you are underlining the moral +>bankruptcy of Israel's occupation and drawing attention to the Israeli +>government's policy of reckless disregard for civilian life. +> +>Brad Hernlem (hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU) + + +Ahhh, of course. Israeli morality pales in the face of charming events +like the string of PLO-run skyjackings in the mid 80's (remember those +TWA jokes?), and not to forget the Achille Lauro and however many airline +bombings they have committed, not to mention bombings on the streets of +Israel (It's gotten to a point where children are told not to go near any +bags or containers whose origins they don't know, because they could be +bombs), or last weeks Katyusha rocket attack on Northern Israel by Fatah, +those wonderful ""mainstream moderates"" with whom Israel is attempting +to negotiate. + +Let's not forget the fact that more Palestinians are killed by Palestinians +than by Israelis. Ahh yes, those charming humanitarian death squads. +I've actually seen a videotape of an interrogation (DSee the documentary +_Deadly Currents_--very neutral and balanced--seriously)--It was rather +inquisition-esque. essentially, to prove his loyalty to ""the cause"" of +whichever group it was that was interogating him, he had to turn in someone +else, or else face death in one of the many fun-filled ways that the death- +squads love so much--beatings, dismemberment, acid, pouring melted plastic +on the face of the 'guilty party,' and of course beheading, always my +favorite. Did you catch the photos in the Washington Post a while back +the execution of a ""collaborator?"" 3 photos: +1) one Palestinian leading another at gunpoint. +2) The ""collaborator"" on his knees, the gun pointed at his temple. +3) The executioner standing on the corpse of the ""collaborator +shouting about how this is what happens to collaborators. + +Wonderful justice system, and lots of regard for Human rights. +Remember Black September? +Ok, so they just tried to take over Jordan, big deal. + +I'm rambling now, but are you getting what I'm saying? + +Amir +";15;True +"From: mogal@deadhead.asd.sgi.com (Joshua Mogal) +Subject: Re: Hollywood Hits, Virtual Reality +Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc. +Lines: 137 +NNTP-Posting-Host: deadhead.asd.sgi.com + +Sorry I missed you Raymond, I was just out in Dahlgren last month... + +I'm the Virtual Reality market manager for Silicon Graphics, so perhaps I +can help a little. + +In article <1993Mar17.185725.13487@relay.nswc.navy.mil>, +rchui@nswc-wo.nswc.navy.mil (Raymond Chui) writes: +|> Hello, the real reality. Our agency started to express interest in +|> virtual reality(VR). So far, we do not know much about VR. All we +|> know about are the Hollywood movies ""The Terminater 2"" and ""Lawnmover +|> Man"". We also know something about VR from ABC news magazine and +|> Computer Graphics World magazine. + + +Unfortunately, while SGI systems were used to create the special effects +for both Terminator 2 and Lawnmower Man, those are film-quality computer +graphics, rendered in software and written to film a frame at a time. Each +frame of computer animation for those films took hours to render on +high-end parallel processing computer systems. Thus, that level of graphics +would be difficult, if not impossible, to acheive in real time (30 frames +per second). + + +|> +|> We certainly want to know more about VR. Who are the leading +|> companies, +|> agencies, universities? What machines support VR (i.e. SGI, Sun4, +|> HP-9000, BIM-6000, etc.)? + + +It depends upon how serious you are and how advanced your application is. +True immersive visualization (VR), requires the rendering of complex visual +databases at anywhere from 20 to 60 newly rendered frames per second. This +is a similar requirement to that of traditional flight simulators for pilot +training. If the frame rate is too low, the user notices the stepping of +the frames as they move their head rapidly around the scene, so the motion +of the graphics is not smooth and contiguous. Thus the graphics system +must be powerful enough to sustain high frame rates while rendering complex +data representations. + +Additionally, the frame rate must be constant. If the system renders 15 +frames per second at one point, then 60 frames per second the next (perhaps +due to the scene in the new viewing direction being simpler than what was +visible before), the user can get heavily distracted by the medium (the +graphics computer) rather than focusing on the data. To maintain a constant +frame rate, the system must be able to run in real-time. UNIX in general +does not support real-time operation, but Silicon Graphics has modified the +UNIX kernel for its multi-processor systems to be able to support real-time +operation, bypassing the usual UNIX process priority-management schemes. +Uniprocessor systems running UNIX cannot fundamentally support real-time +operation (not Sun SPARC10, not HP 700 Series systems, not IBM RS-6000, not +even SGI's uniprocessor systems like Indigo or Crimson). Only our +multiprocessor Onyx and Challenge systems support real-time operation due +to their Symmetric Multi-Processing (SMP) shared-memory architecture. + +From a graphics perspective, rendering complex virtual environments +requires advanced rendering techniques like texture mapping and real-time +multi-sample anti-aliasing. Of all of the general purpose graphics systems +on the market today, only Crimson RealityEngine and Onyx RealityEngine2 +systems fully support these capabilities. The anti-aliasing is particularly +important, as the crawling jagged edges of aliased polygons is an +unfortunate distraction when immersed in a virtual environment. + + +|> What kind of graphics languages are used with VR +|> (GL, opengl, Phigs, PEX, GKS, etc.)? + +You can use the general purpose graphics libraries listed above to develop +VR applications, but that is starting at a pretty low level. There are +off-the- shelf software packages available to get you going much faster, +being targeted directly at the VR application developer. Some of the most +popular are (in no particular order): + + - Division Inc. (Redwood City, CA) - dVS + - Sens8 Inc. (Sausalito, CA) - WorldToolKit + - Naval Postgraduate School (Monterey, CA) - NPSnet (FREE!) + - Gemini Technology Corp (Irvine, CA) - GVS Simation Series + - Paradigm Simulation Inc. (Dallas, TX) - VisionWorks, AudioWorks + - Silicon Graphics Inc. (Mountain View,CA) - IRIS Performer + +There are some others, but not off the top of my head... + + +|> What companies are making +|> interface devices for VR (goggles or BOOM (Binocular Omni-Orientational +|> Monitor), hamlets, gloves, arms, etc.)? + +There are too many to list here, but here is a smattering: + + - Fake Space Labs (Menlo Park,CA) - BOOM + - Virtual Technologies Inc. (Stanford, CA) - CyberGlove + - Digital Image Design (New York, NY) - The Cricket (3D input) + - Kaiser Electro Optics (Carlsbad, CA) - Sim Eye Helmet Displays + - Virtual Research (Sunnyvale, CA) - Flight Helmet display + - Virtual Reality Inc. (Pleasantville,NY) - Head Mtd Displays, s/w + - Software Systems (San Jose, CA) - 3D Modeling software + - etc., etc., etc. + + +|> What are those company's +|> addresses and phone numbers? Where we can get a list name of VR +|> experts +|> and their phone numbers and Email addresses? + + +Read some of the VR books on the market: + + - Virtual Reality - Ken Pimental and Ken Texiera (sp?) + - Virtual Mirage + - Artificial Reality - Myron Kreuger + - etc. + +Or check out the newsgroup sci.virtual_worlds + +Feel free to contact me for more info. + +Regards, + +Josh + +-- + + +************************************************************************** +** ** ** +** Joshua Mogal ** Product Manager ** +** Advanced Graphics Division ** Advanced Graphics Systems ** +** Silicon Graphics Inc. ** Market Manager ** +** 2011 North Shoreline Blvd. ** Virtual Reality ** +** Mountain View, CA 94039-7311 ** Interactive Entertainment ** +** M/S 9L-580 ** ** +** ************************************* +** Tel: (415) 390-1460 ** +** Fax: (415) 964-8671 ** +** E-mail: mogal@sgi.com ** +** ** +************************************************************************** +";1;True +"From: gt6511a@prism.gatech.EDU (COCHRANE,JAMES SHAPLEIGH) +Subject: Re: Blast them next time +Distribution: usa +Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology +Lines: 44 + +In article <1r19l9$7dv@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> oldham@ces.cwru.edu (Daniel Oldham) writes: +:What happened in Waco is not the fault of the BATF. If they would of +:had the proper equipment and personal then they could of captured the +: +:With the WoD and the increased crime in the streets the BATF is needed +:more now then ever. If they blast away a few good fokes then that is +: +:With the arms build up in Waco they needed to hit that compound with +:mega fire power. They could of gone in there blasting and killed a few + +I hope this is a joke... if not, here's my response: + +The BATF has a history of no-knock raids with poor evidence, often resulting in +innocent people being killed or suffering injury to person or property. I will +NOT support the BATF until they clean up their act... Maybe... As to equipment, +the BATF has damn near anything it wants... Their faults were in intelligence +(military and civilian definitions apply), tactics (attacking during DAYLIGHT??), methodology (the FBI stated that it is against government policy to assault +a position where there are non-combatants/potential hostages without attempting +negotiations first), and legality. The BATF's jurisdiction is TAXES on firearms +and tobacco. They are a branch of the department of the treasury. They have +very curiously backed away from their claims of illegal weaponry to push the +child-abuse charges... The BATF has no jurisdiction over non-firearms/tobacco +issues! And the charges of child-abuse had been investigated in the past with +no violence and no validation. This was a clear case of first the BATF, then +the FBI, having watched too many Rambo movies... My opinion is that the agent +in charge should be charged with executing an illegal raid, criminal negligence, +murder, civil rights violations, and breaking his/her oath to uphold and defend +the Constitution of the US. The warrant should be unsealed to reveal to the +public what justification the BATF thought it had in committing an armed assault +on American citizens. And while on the issue of investigating this issue, +the Randy Weaver case and the Johnny Lawmaster case should be investigated for +BATF wrongdoing. + +James + +btw, if the BATF came busting in my windows with concussion grenades, you could damn well bet I would return fire to the utmost of my ability. + + + +-- +******************************************************************************** +James S. Cochrane * When in danger, or in doubt, run in * This space +gt6511a@prism.gatech.edu * circles, scream and shout. * for rent +******************************************************************************** +";3;True +"From: johnl@iecc.cambridge.ma.us (John R. Levine) +Subject: Why the clipper algorithm is secret +Organization: I.E.C.C. +Lines: 21 + +>The cryptographic protocol, though, is another matter. I see no valid +>reasons for keeping it secret, and -- as I hope I've shown above -- there +>are a lot of ways to do things that aren't (quite) as bad. + +It just occurred to me why the algorithm is secret. If it were +published, one could then build physically identical clone versions +of the chip that would interoperate with official Clipper chips. But +the cloner wouldn't provide the keys to the escrow houses. Hmmn. + +Or is there a technical hack that I've missed? E.g. how about if the +chips were made unprogrammed but serialized, and then shipped to the +two escrow houses who programmed in their halves of the keys, but +in a way that requires that secret keys known only to the escrow houses +be installed as well, without which clone versions wouldn't +interoperate? This is getting awfully complicated, but that's +crypto for you. + +-- +John R. Levine, IECC, POB 349, Cambridge MA 02238, +1 617 492 3869 +johnl@iecc.cambridge.ma.us, {ima|spdcc|world}!iecc!johnl +""Time is Money! Steal some today!"" +";16;True +"From: ccdarg@dct.ac.uk (Alan Greig) +Subject: Re: BATF/FBI Murders Almost Everyone in Waco Today! 4/19 +Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology +Lines: 18 + +In article , roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) writes: + +> So, why didn't the BD's leave when the gas was first introduced much +> earlier in the morning? Didn't they care about the children? +> +> Why didn't they release the children weeks ago? + +Because most of the children were with their parent(s). Do you understand +that concept? Here's a bunch of people who believe in their minds that +the forces of Satanic evil are outside and you expect them to hand over +their own children? Were you born that stupid or does it take a lot +of effort? + +-- +Alan Greig Janet: A.Greig@uk.ac.dct +Dundee Institute of Technology Internet: A.Greig@dct.ac.uk +Tel: (0382) 308810 (Int +44 382 308810) + ** Never underestimate the power of human stupidity ** +";3;True +"From: jeremy@wildcat.npa.uiuc.edu (Jeremy Payne) +Subject: Re: Xt intrinsics: slow popups +Organization: Neuronal Pattern Analysis, University of Illinois +Lines: 49 + +In article <735516045.1507@minster.york.ac.uk>, cjhs@minster.york.ac.uk writes: +|> cjhs@minster.york.ac.uk wrote: +|> : Help: I am running some sample problems from O'Reilly volume 4, +|> : Xt Intrisics Programming Manual, chapter 3. popup +|> : dialog boxes and so on. +|> : +|> : In example 3.5, page 76 : ""Creating a pop-up dialog box"" +|> : +|> : The application creates window with a button ""Quit"" and ""Press me"". +|> : The button ""Press me"" pops up a dialog box. The strange feature of +|> : this program is that it always pops up the dialog box much faster the +|> : first time. If I try to pop it up a 2nd time (3rd, 4th .... time), +|> : it is *much* slower. +|> : +|> : Has anyone any experience with these sample programs, or why I get +|> : this behaviour - fast response time for the first time but slow response +|> : time from 2nd time onwards ? +|> : Anyone can give me some ideas on how to program popups so that each time +|> : they popup in reasonable fast response time ? +|> : +|> : Thankyou - Shirley +|> +|> Thanks to those who responded. +|> +|> We were able to prevent this behaviour by two methods: +|> +|> 1) running twm rather than olwm +|> 2) keeping olwm, but putting ""wmTimeout: 10"" in the resources +|> +|> It has been suggested that the difficuty was something to do with the +|> window manager positioning the popup window. Any guru who can analyse +|> what is going on from this information, please post and let us know. +|> +|> Thanks -- Shirley + +I ran in to this problem I while ago, and from what I remember you should use +XtTranslateCoordinates etc. after realizing the main widget to calculate +the location of the popup, then use something like XtVaSetValues on the +popup widgets before ever using them. Calling SetValues repeatedly (e.g. +every time something pops up) seems to be what slows you down. I never +delved deep enough to figure out exactly why though... + +--------------------------- +Jeremy Payne +UIUC Neuroscience program / +College of Medicine +jrpayne@uiuc.edu +(217)244-4478 +--------------------------- +";12;True +"From: adamsj@gtewd.mtv.gtegsc.com +Subject: RACK MOUNT 2CI, 650 Prices. +Organization: GTE Govt. Systems, Electronics Def. Div. +Lines: 16 + +Here's a good one: Does anyone know of a product that allows +me to RACK MOUNT my 2CI (or maybe 650 if I blow some more +money...) ??? My application is music, and would like to be +able to haul it around (would probably plan to get an MO drive +or something so I don't have to depend on an internal fixed +hard drive - i.e., may be pretty rough on an internal HD...) + +I'm in the San Francisco Bay Area, if that matters. +Also, anyone have any info on 650's and Midi? And, would anyone +care to email me with the price they paid for their 650? Or if +there's a price list FAQ, never mind... Just curious about the +difference between the best retailers and the local university +pricing... + +Thanks, Jeff Adams +adams@upse01.mtv.gtegsc.com +";0;True +"From: an030@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Broward Horne) +Subject: Re: CLINTON: President's Remarks at Town Hall Meeting +Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) +Lines: 19 +Reply-To: an030@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Broward Horne) +NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu + + +In a previous article, Clinton-HQ@Campaign92.Org (Clinton/Gore '92) says: + +> THE PRESIDENT: Thank you very much, Mr. Secretary. +> +>kind of working together. And if you'll forgive me a little home +>state pride, I want to say a special word of thanks to the Wal-Mart +>Corporation, headquartered in Bentonville, Arkansas, for providing +>several hundred of the sites for this town meeting tonight. I + + + + When did Bill start doing endorsements? + + Will he do the ""Remington Shaver"" ad? + + Tune in next week. + + +";18;True +"From: cds7k@Virginia.EDU (Christopher Douglas Saady) +Subject: Re: Bikes And Contacts +Organization: University of Virginia +Lines: 5 + +The best thing to do is to get a full face, even if it is a +cheap brain bucket. I didn't think a full face was important +until I took a gnarly spill and ended up sliding 20 feet on my +face. Plus with the visor down, you also have no worries about +your contacts. +";7;True +"From: singlis@waikato.ac.nz +Subject: Win3.1 font with MACRONS +Organization: University of Waikato, Hamilton, New Zealand +Lines: 11 + +Greetings from green New Zealand... + +We are looking for a Windows 3.1 Font that will allow ""macrons"" (a hypen) +over vowels -- in both UPPER and lower cases. This is so we can use Maori +characters in Windows applications. + +Thanks in advance +-Stuart Inglis + +(Email directly to tetaka@waikato.ac.nz would be the prefered method of +contact) +";6;True +"From: tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett) +Subject: Re: SHO and SC +Reply-To: tpickett@auspex.com (Tom Pickett) +Organization: Auspex Systems, Inc. Engineering +Lines: 20 +Nntp-Posting-Host: 144.48.14.46 + +In article <1qehi6$ork@armory.centerline.com>, jimf@centerline.com (Jim +Frost) writes: +> Ok, I'll give you a few reasons: +> +> 1. Neither car was designed to turn at those speeds. +> 2. Neither car was designed to stop quickly from those speeds. +> 3. Safety mechanisms were not designed for impacts at those speeds. +> 4. An uncontrolled environment leads to unpredictable circumstances +> where you might need to turn or stop with no notice. + + +Do you, by any chance own an SHO or have access to one, such that you +would have any idea what it is designed for or how it handles? + +Just wondering... + + +Tom Pickett +tpickett@auspex.com or 74616.2237@compuserve.com +SHO GOZE +";10;True +"From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) +Subject: Re: Space Station Redesign, JSC Alternative #4 +Organization: U of Toronto Zoology +Lines: 14 + +In article <1ralibINNc0f@cbl.umd.edu> mike@starburst.umd.edu (Michael F. Santangelo) writes: +>... The only thing +>that scares me is the part about simply strapping 3 SSME's and +>a nosecone on it and ""just launching it."" I have this vision +>of something going terribly wrong with the launch resulting in the +>complete loss of the new modular space station (not just a peice of +>it as would be the case with staged in-orbit construction). + +It doesn't make a whole lot of difference, actually, since they weren't +building spares of the station hardware anyway. (Dumb.) At least this +is only one launch to fail. +-- +SVR4 resembles a high-speed collision | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology +between SVR3 and SunOS. - Dick Dunn | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry +";2;True +"From: chuck@eos.ncsu.edu (Chuck Kesler) +Subject: Re: Ford Probe - Opinions? (centered around the GT) +Organization: North Carolina State University, Project EOS +Lines: 143 + +In article <1993Apr20.002651.20797@sco.com> nathanp@sco.COM (Nathan) writes: +> +>""Jeremy G. Mereness"" says: +>> +>>Can anyone offer any opinions of the Ford Probe... ala how they do in +>>the long run, repair records, reliability, mileage, etc? +>> +>>I am fixing to buy a car in the next few months aiming toward something +>>a little bigger than a typical small car and with a little more power. I +>>am considering the MX-6, Probe, Accord, Corolla, and the 240SX. +... +>I bought a '93 Probe GT with the PEP 263A last July (now at 9500 miles) +>after debating over the Sentra SE-R/NX2000, MX6, MR-2, Stealth, Prelude, +>and Celica. +... +>The car design is different than earlier years, so it's too early to see its +>reliability so far. For what it's worth, my comments: +> +>My dislikes: +>Shutting door with windows up from inside rarely makes good wind seal. + +Some other owners on the ford-probe@world.std.com mailing list have commented +about this problem, but I haven't seen it happen on my 3 month old +'93 Probe GT. I think this may be something that Ford has corrected since +the initial batch of cars. Also, someone said that Ford has issued a +service bulletin to inform dealers about how to correct this problem, so you +may be able to get your dealer to fix it. + +>Headlights have ""stuck"" up a few times (weather?) +>air conditioning broke ~4000 miles (pressure cycling switch) +>condensation around rear washer fluid container doesn't drain completely. + +Haven't seen any of these problems, nor have I seen these mentioned on the +mailing list, so these might just be having bad luck with these. + +>crammed engine; little hope for do-it-yourselfers (typical) + +Definitely! + +>parts somewhat more expensive than normal Ford parts +>underside plastic doesn't like sharp driveways and speedbumps (typical). +>assembly gripes: tape on radiator, screw fell out of dash, seat seams not +>stitched properly. Hopefully just a fluke. + +No problems like these either. I haven't been able to find any obvious +places where they screwed up. + +>Ford only gives 1 key with the car. C'mon Ford, spend an extra few pennies! + +Hmmm! I got two keys with my car. Something tells me you got stiffed by +your dealer on this. (Actually, if you count the ""credit card"" key that +came in the owner's binder, I got 3 keys, but since the credit card key +doesn't have any teeth cut in it yet, I guess I won't count it. :-)) + +>Rear hatch has no padding on corners when up. I'm waiting for the day when +>I bash my head on the corner. +>horn buttons behind air bag in spokes and not in center (personal preference) + +The latter is probably because of the air bag. It's pretty much takes up +all the space where you'd expect to find the horn. + +Speaking of the horn, I was surprised to find that the Probe comes with one +of those nice 'merican sounding horns instead of the Japanese sounding kind. +The previous Probes had Japanese horns. + +>Tires fling dirt/mud onto side of car + +Yeah, not very badly, but enough to be annoying sometimes. + +>My Likes: +>engine (design/valves/sounds/smoothness/power/mileage/torque) -- definitely #1 +>handling (very good for FWD; understeer only at limits) +>transmission (the 5 speed is a must) +>usable instrumentation (lovely readable analog everywhere) +>Very little torque steer at full power (much better than the '90 SHO I drive) +>stability at 100+mph (high gearing though) +>low cowl (good visibility in front) +>Heated outside mirrors (nice in fog, never tested in freezing weather) +>ABS/Air bag (see above) +>rear seats fold down (I have few rear seat passengers so a trunk not important) +>No shake/rattle noises when going over bumps/potholes (still!) +>Tires: 225/55VR16 Goodyear Eagles (70% left; hoping for 30K :-) + +I agree strongly with all of the above, especially about the engine. The +interior is very, very nice too. Very pleasing to the eye, and ergonomically +sound. + +... +>I drive it to and from work +>each day on relatively smooth roads, and most noticable thing is that the +>Probe's suspension doesn't like potholes. When you test drive one, find a +>potholed road somewhere around town and see if the jarring you get is +>tolerable. + +Yes, this car's stiff suspension isn't for everyone. I personally like it, +but if you find it a little harsh but otherwise like the car, I'd strongly +suggest looking into the MX-6. + +>If you have 3+ passengers, by all means bring them along too. They'll find +>that they have no room in the back and you'll find that the car rides +>differently (if that's ""better"" is up to you). + +The problem with the back seat is that there's no leg room. Plenty of +head room, though. Shorter people fit back there without any complaints, +so long as the seat they are sitting behind is pulled forward a bit to +give them a place to put their feet. + +>Also, there's a lot of glass +>around you which I wasn't expecting; the temperature inside the car gets pretty +>hot in the summer. My back seat passengers (now very few) complain about +>the lack of ventilation; you may want to consider that when combined with +>the heat. + +The power moonroof can greatly improve the ventilation throughout the car. :-) +I really enjoy the moonroof, by the way, but then I've always been a sucker +for open air driving. No leakage problems or anything like that...yet! + +>I've heard that the exhaust system has trouble, but mine works fine. + +I haven't heard about this one. I know that some of the very early Probes +('89 and maybe '90) had problems with prematurely rusting mufflers (which +Ford will replace at no charge), but I haven't heard about anything like +this concerning the '93 Probes. + +I haven't had any real trouble with this car outside of a CV joint boot +that was leaking, but the dealer took care of that promptly, and even +gave me a free rental car for the day and a half that I was without my +car. I was quite happy with the way they handled...especially considering +that I was expecting the worst from them! + +From what I've heard, it sounds like Ford/Mazda had some QC problems with +the Probe (and probably MX-6) when they first went into production, but +I think these problems have mostly been corrected at this point. That's +almost always to be expected with a completely new car like this, though. + +Hope this helps, + +-chuck- +-- + Chuck Kesler /|< Internet: chuck@eos.ncsu.edu + Unix Systems Programmer | US Mail: Box 7901, NCSU Campus + Engineering Computer Operations | Raleigh, NC 27695 USA + North Carolina State University | Phone: +1 919 515 2458 +";10;True +"From: caldwell@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Wayne Caldwell) +Subject: Printer and game for sale +Nntp-Posting-Host: epcot +Organization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center +Lines: 14 + +I have the following for sale: + +TI 855 Printer in excellect working condition + $100 + postage + +Game = The Lost Files of Sherlock Holmes + Original box and contents used 1 time and + unregistered $30 + postage + +If iterested EMAIL me at: + +EMAIL = caldwell@epcot.spdc.ti.com + +and I will hold it for you. +";8;True +"From: dyoung@media.mit.edu (David Young) +Subject: Macro Recorder/Player for X? +Organization: MIT Media Laboratory +Lines: 18 + + + +Is there aything available for X similar to QuicKeys for the Macintosh -- +something that will allow me to store and playback sequences of keystrokes, +menu selections, and mouse actions - directing them towards another +application? + +If so, could someone send me information on its availability -- and if not, +how hard do we think it might be to send input to other X applications and, +hopefully, deal with their responses appropriately? (If an application is +going to take a few seconds to process I probably have to wait for it to +complete before sending another command.) + +thanks, + +david, + + +";12;True +"From: michael@jester.GUN.de (Michael Gerhards) +Distribution: world +Subject: Re: Western Digital HD info needed +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] +Organization: private COHERENT system +Lines: 12 + +Holly KS (cs3sd3ae@maccs.mcmaster.ca) wrote: +> My Western Digital also has three sets of pins on the back. I am using it with +> another hard drive as well and the settings for the jumpers were written right +> on the circuit board of the WD drive......MA SL ?? + +The ??-jumper is used, if the other drive a conner cp3xxx. + +no jumper set: drive is alone +MA: drive is master +SL: drive is slave + +Michael +-- +* michael@jester.gun.de * Michael Gerhards * Preussenstrasse 59 * + * Germany 4040 Neuss * Voice: 49 2131 82238 * +";5;True +"From: topcat!tom@tredysvr.tredydev.unisys.com (Tom Albrecht) +Subject: Re: Revelations +Organization: Applied Presuppositionalism, Ltd. +Lines: 30 + +hudson@athena.cs.uga.edu (Paul Hudson Jr) writes: + +> >Now, as to the suggestion that all prophecy tends to be somewhat cyclical, +> >can you elaborate? I'm not exactly sure what you mean. How does the +> >suggestion relate to Isaiah's prophecy of the birth of Christ by a virgin? +> >I don't see any cycles in that prophecy. +> +> Maybe cyclical is not the best word. ... +> +> Another example would be the Scripture quoted of Judas, ""and his bishoprick +> let another take."" Another example is something that Isaiah said of His +> disciples which is also applied to Christ in Hebrews, ""the children thou +> hast given me."" +> +> How does the preterist view account for this phenomenon. + +Ah, double-fulfillment. First of all I would say that I'm not sure all +the prophecies had double-fulfillment, e.g., the Isaiah 7:14 prophecy. + +I would say that just because this happens on some occasions does not mean +it will occur always, especially with regard to NT prophecies. The apostles +who quoted the OT and applied those passages to Jesus were acting as divine +messengers and giving the inerrant Word of God to the Church. No one has +that authority today. No one has the apostolic authority to say that +such-and-such a prophecy has double-fulfillment. If the imagry of +Revelation fits with events of the 1st century, it is folly for us to try +and make it apply to events 20 centuries later. + +-- +Tom Albrecht +";17;True +"From: umlangston@msuvx1.memst.edu (Mark C. Langston) +Subject: _negative_ logic high? +Summary: help!!! +Distribution: world +Organization: Memphis State University +Lines: 28 + + This may sound like a simple-minded question, but this is the first time +I've ever had a need for this: + +I've been designing some relatively simple chip circuits based on things +like photoresistors (you know, no light to photoresistor, emit a logic +high, etc.). + +Anyway, I've got some servos lying around, and I wanted to do some things +with them using digital logic. I know all about having to pulse the signal +and everything, I just have one problem: I'm assuming I need a negative +(yes, negative) logic high to get the thing to turn in the direction +opposite the direction it would turn under normal logic high. + +Is a negative logic high (I've seen this in schematics) the same thing as +an active low, or what? I'm not using a bi-polar power source, so how +would I get a negative logic high out of this thing? I need to have all +three signals available: Logic high, logic low, and negative logic high. + +Any help would be greatly appreciated. Also, please reply via email, as I +never seem to have time to read this (or any other) group lately. + +Thanks much, +-mark + +umlangston@memstvx1.memst.edu + + + +";11;True +"From: smartin@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (steven.c.martin) +Subject: Re: Car buying story, was: Christ, another dealer service scam... +Organization: AT&T +Distribution: usa +Lines: 36 + +From article <1993Apr16.162950.25849@newsgate.sps.mot.com>, by markm@bigfoot.sps.mot.com (Mark Monninger): + +> This kind of behavior is what I was shocked by in my 'experience'. For +> crying out loud, how do these turkeys think they can talk to customers +> this way and still stay in business? Again, I don't expect sales people to +> bow, scrape, and grovel in my presence but I sure don't expect to be +> abused either. I was very surprised by the way the sales people talked to +> me and in other 'negotiating' sessions I overheard in neighboring sales +> cubicles. Evidently, their success rate is high enough that they continue +> to do business this way. There must be a lot of people out there who are +> easy to intimidate. +> + +A couple of months ago I went to a dealership to test drive a car. Afterwards, +we sat down to discuss prices. I explained that I wanted a car just like the +one I drove, but in a different color. He said he could get one exactly like +I wanted from the dealer network within a day. We then negotiated a price and +signed the deal. + +Next day, I get a call. He explains that they goofed, and they had neglected +to take into account a price increase. (The last price increase had occurred +over 4 months prior to my visit.) If I still wanted the car, I would +have to fork over another $700. As an alternative, they would honor the +price if I bought the car I test drove (which had been sitting around for +6 months and had a few miles on it). I said goodbye. This was a good +example of how they can lowball you and still cover their butts. It's too +bad more people don't demand honesty or these types of dealers would +no longer be in business. + +The next dealership I went to was straightforward and honest. First thing the +salesman said was, ""Lets's see what you have for dealer cost and work out +how much profit I should make."" The deal went through with no problems. + + Steve + + +";10;True +"From: Peter Hansen +Subject: Re: 72-pin SIMMS, where? +X-Xxdate: Tue, 20 Apr 93 08:41:49 GMT +Nntp-Posting-Host: bcarm382 +Organization: BNR +X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d17 +Lines: 13 + +In article <1qulhsINNm22@charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu> Steven Medley, +smedley@ecst.csuchico.edu writes: +>I am looking for a 8 meg 72-pin SIMM for my Centris 610. Where is the +>best place to purchase one (stock, shipping, warrenty), and if +>possible, phone numbers so that I can order one as soon as possible. + + Try Goldstar. They make them, and they are available immediately in Mac +configurations. I ordered a pair from Computerland (8 meg variety) and +they work like a charm. I've had them for two weeks. + +Peter Hansen +Bell Northern Research +pgmoffc@BNR.ca +";0;True +"From: ccw@lancelot.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Christopher Wood) +Subject: Re: How long do RAM SIMM's last? +Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ +Distribution: usa +Lines: 21 + +In article , noah@apple.com (Noah Price) writes: +|> In article <1993Apr11.234818.1755@ultb.isc.rit.edu>, +|> jek5036@ultb.isc.rit.edu (J.E. King) wrote: + +|> > Doesn't a 1 MB SIMM have about 1024 * 1024 * 8 moving flip-flops? + +|> They don't move, to anybody much bigger than an electron :-) + +Dynamic RAM is not based on flip-flops; there's basically a single +transistor and capacitor to store each bit! Static RAM is based on +flip-flops, and is much more expensive and much less dense. And +neither has any parts that ""move"", if electrons and thermal expansion +are ignored... + +|> noah + +Chris + +-- +Chris Wood Bellcore ccw@ctt.bellcore.com + +";0;True +"From: mcdonald@aries.scs.uiuc.edu (J. D. McDonald) +Subject: Re: jiggers +Article-I.D.: aries.mcdonald.895.734049502 +Organization: UIUC SCS +Lines: 13 + +In article <78846@cup.portal.com> mmm@cup.portal.com (Mark Robert Thorson) writes: + +>This wouldn't happen to be the same thing as chiggers, would it? +>A truly awful parasitic affliction, as I understand it. Tiny bugs +>dig deeply into the skin, burying themselves. Yuck! They have these +>things in Oklahoma. + +Close. My mother comes from Gainesville Tex, right across the border. +They claim to be the chigger capitol of the world, and I believe them. +When I grew up in Fort Worth it was bad enough, but in Gainesville +in the summer an attack was guaranteed. + +Doug McDonald +";4;True +"From: labson@borneo.corp.sgi.com (Joel Labson) +Subject: Maybe????? +Organization: Silicon Graphics, Inc. +Lines: 17 + +Hi Christian friends, + +My name is Joel, I have a sister who's 25th birthday is tomorrow.....She +used to be on fire for the Lord, but somehow, for some reason, she +became cold....she don't want to associate anymore with her old +christian friends.........so I thought maybe some of you could help her +out again by sending her a postcard or card with a little message of +encouragement.....hand written is okay....her address is 3150 Hobart +Ave. San Jose Ca. 95127........... + +Thank you and God Bless. + +PS: Jesus Christ is LORD!!!!!!!! + +[I have some qualms about postings like this. You might want to +engage in a bit more conversation with Joel before deluging +someone who doesn't expect it with cards. --clh] +";17;True +"From: dfl@math.wayne.edu (David Frohardt-Lane) +Subject: Re: RBI's (was: Notes on Jays/Indians) +Organization: Wayne State University Math Department, Detroit +Distribution: na +Lines: 23 + +In article <1993Apr15.212014.1782@news.acns.nwu.edu> edo@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Edward Ouellette) writes: +>Me, too... RBI are a worthless stat. Of course, so is stolen bases because +>sometimes runners are in front of a player that would otherwise run. And of +>course pitchers pitch differently with different people on different bases, +>so batting average, slugging and obp out, too. Hmmm... i guess homers would +>not count then, either. +>My point? RBI might not be a perfect stat but nothing is. And no stat (or lack +>of) can tell me there are no clutch hitters. Maybe no stat CAN tell me, +>either, but some people are... I just know it!!! 8) + +But why would you want to use RBI? RBI is an attempt to measure is some +combination of clutch hitting and power hitting. If you believe in +clutch hitting, then look at how the guy hit with RISP. If you want to +see how good of a slugger he is, then look at his slugging average. + +In terms of evaluating players, RBI totals are better than nothing. But +why use them when so many better stats are out there? + +-- +David Frohardt-Lane dfl@math.wayne.edu +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +Go Tigers, Lions, Pistons, Red Wings and Wolverines !!!!!!!!!! +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +";14;True +"From: jviv@usmi01.midland.chevron.com (John Viveiros) +Subject: Re: To be, or Not to be [ a Disaster ] +Distribution: na +Organization: Chevron +Lines: 31 + +In article phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) writes: +>Not at all. You are apparently just another member of the Religious Left. +> +>Show me all these environmental ""disasters"". Most of them aren't. And the +>natural disasters we have had individually far outweigh the man-made ones. +> +>Most of your so-called disasters (Love Canal, Times Beach, TMI) aren't disasters +>at all. +> +>So look, if you want to worship trees (or owls or snails or whatever), fine, do +>so. But DON'T try to push the scaredness of YOUR religious off onto me. +> +If you want to see environmental disasters, go to eastern Europe or some +parts of the FSU (former Soviet Union). This is because they had no +environmental protection laws and were trying to increase productivity +at any expense to justify their political systems. Luckily for us, some +of our politicians with vision passed some environmental laws. That +isn't to say that they shouldn't be modified, but all I ever hear from +you is that the environmental laws were dreamed up by a bunch of +left-wing tree-huggers intent on putting us back on horseback. Yes, +there are some of those, but a lot of us simply want to procede with +caution. + +-- +John Viveiros (jviv@chevron.com) +Chevron USA Standard disclaimer applies +Midland TX +-- + NetNews userid for nntpserver.chevron.com + +- Who said ""No News is good news"" ? +";18;True +"From: ch981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tony Alicea) +Subject: Re: Rosicrucian Order(s) ?! +Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) +Lines: 22 +Reply-To: ch981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tony Alicea) +NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu + + +In a previous article, ba@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (B.A. Davis-Howe) says: + +> +>ON the subject of how many competing RC orders there are, let me point out the +>Golden Dawn is only the *outer* order of that tradition. The inner order is +>the Roseae Rubeae et Aurae Crucis. +> + + Just wondering, do you mean the ""Lectorium Rosicrucianum""? +Warning: There is no point in arguing who's ""legit"" and who's not. *WHICH* +Golden Dawn are you talking about? + + Just for the sake of argument, (reflecting NO affiliation) +I am going to say that the TRUE Rosicrucian Order is the Fraternitas +Rosae Crucis in Quakertown, Penn., + + Any takers? :-) + +Fraternally, + +Tony +";19;True +"From: devil@loki.HellNet.org (Gil Tene) +Subject: COSE GUI - Just what is it they agreed on? +Lines: 31 +Nntp-Posting-Host: loki + +The COSE announcement specifies that Motif will become the common +GUI. But what does this mean exactly? + +- Do they mean that all ""COSE-complient"" apps will have the Motif + look and feel? + +- Do they mean that all ""COSE-complient"" apps will use the Motif + toolkit API? + +- Do they mean both of the above? + +- Is it possible that there will be a Motif-API complient toolkit with + an OpenLook Look & Feel? + +- How about an OLIT/XView/OI/Interviews API toolkit with a Motif L & F? + (I know OI already does this, but will this be considered COSE-complient?) + +- Will there be more than one ""standard"" toolkit API or L & F supported? + +- How does using ToolTalk fit in with Motif? + +This is my attempt to start a discussion in order to pull as much +knowledge about these questions off the net... Feel free to e-mail +or followup. + +-- +-------------------------------------------------------------------- +-- Gil Tene ""Some days it just doesn't pay - +-- devil@imp.HellNet.org to go to sleep in the morning."" - +-- devil@diablery.10A.com - +-------------------------------------------------------------------- +";12;True +"From: New Liberation News Service +Subject: NLNS: Fascism with a Friendly Face +Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1483600108:000:9540 +Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!nlns Apr 14 20:42:00 1993 +Lines: 164 + + +From: New Liberation News Service +Subject: NLNS: Fascism with a Friendly Face + +/* Written 8:33 pm Apr 14, 1993 by nlns@igc.apc.org in igc:nlns.news */ +/* ---------- ""NLNS Packet 3.11 *** 4-14-93"" ---------- */ + +Fascism with a Friendly Face: Does Rush Limbaugh Remind You of +Anyone? +Daevid Bornhuetter-Machen, The Madison Edge + +""The main difference between Adolf Hitler and Rush Limbaugh is that +Hitler was original and showed initiative."" +--Mort Sahl on The Tom Snyder Radio Show, ABC Radio Network, +October 27, 1992. + +(NLNS)--Believe it or not, I was planning this comparative review of +Mein Kampf and Limbaugh's transcribed rant, The Way Things Ought to +Be before Sahl issued his comparative review. As usual, Sahl's was +independent and sharp as a scalpel. + My effort can only dream of comparing favorably to Mort's. At +least it has a fairly popular orginating premise; everyone I'd mention the +idea to thought it was either divinely inspired or at least past due for +delivery. + Those reactions are based on parallels that should be obvious to the +most peripheral observer of the Acts of those False Prophets. Both are +noted for their galvanizing oratorical skills, which they both used with +passion to generate a political cult of massive numerical proportions (in +fact, Limbaugh claims to have an audience of just over 12 million, almost +identical to the number of votes cast for Hitler in the April 1932 German +election). Both used a myopic social perspective to build the cult, and +enthusiastically amputated facts from the record to fabricate their +ideological quilt. + The last point is glaringly documented by passages in the opening +pages of both books. Hitler's example is when, on page 5, he claims the +German nationalist terrorist Leo Schlageter (he bombed part of a railway +line between Dusseldorf and Duisburg, being caught in the act, in 1923) +was ""betrayed to France by a representative of his government"" when +there has never been any factual foundation for such a statement. + In fact, the governments of both the Reich and Prussia, as well as +the Vatican, actively intervened to save him from execution, and almost +succeeded. Limbaugh follows suit by making the hysterically sarcastic +claim in his introduction that ""in a school or during a commencement +ceremony or many other public places... God is unconstitutional."" Of +course, it's not God but the official imposition of particular concepts of +God against an individual's will that's unconstitutional. But Limbaugh is +too gleeful in his talent for distortion to want you to know that. + Of course, one would assume that, by comparing the two books, +my main point would be that The Way Things Ought to Be is the modern +American Mein Kampf. Not really. At the time of the first German version +of Mein Kampf, Hitler was just four months out of prison (June, 1925), +and trying to reorganize the Nazis. He used the book to build his dozen +million followers. Limbaugh, on the other hand, came up with his book +after building his dozen million. Twelve million went a longer way in +Weimar Germany that it does in the Republicrat United States. + Thus, the more accurate parallels would be that Limbaugh's daily +three-hour radio show is the American Mein Kampf, the primary +propoganda tool used to pump up the angry volume; and that The Way +Things Ought to Be is actually the American Triumph of the Will, a +translation of the same fascist message into a different medium. Also, the +printed word was the more important medium in Weimar Germany, since +radio was still being thought of by impoverished Germans as a medium of +luxury in 1925. Today, on the other hand, Americans are more likely to +spend a few seconds to tune a radio dial at no monetary charge than drop +$22 for 304 pages of transcripts of the same words. + But, as Mort Sahl also observed on the radio the other night, some +cloutmeister of the radical right wants Limbaugh to be a focal point of +their propoganda. (And remember, Sahl is an Al Haig conservative these +days.) + Mort might not know exactly who Rush's equivalent of Rodolf +Hess is (the book itself suggests Ed McLaughlin, the former president of +ABC radio and now Limbaugh's partner in EFM Media, the radio +program's production company). But Mort himself is a veteran of the talk +show, having hosted them in New York, Washington and Los Angeles. He +knows what evil lurks in the hearts of major market media men. He knows +that Limbaugh could not have collected his audience had not the +opportunity been placed on a silver platter and handed to him. Limbaugh +earns his money just as honestly as Al Capone did; it's almost worthy of a +RICO indictment. + On questions of social issues, there is an overabundance of +material in the Limbaugh book that seems to echo Hitler's venom. For +example: + +On Their Own Qualifications to Control Society + Hitler: ""Out of the host of sometimes millions of people, who +individually more or less clearly and distinctly guess the truth, partly +perhaps understand it, one man [author's emphasis] must step forward in +order to form, with apodeictic force, out of the wavering world of +imagination of the great masses, granite principles, and to take up the fight +for their sole correctness, until out of the playing waves of a free world of +thought a brazen rock of uniform combination of form and will arises"" +(page 577). + Limbaugh: ""Who needs the media when they've got me? ... The +show is devoted exclusively to what I think ... [the phrase ""with half my +brain tied behind my back to make it even""] denotes the egress of mental +aptitude I require to engage and demolish liberals and others who disagree +with me ... It might take four or five years, but I'm convinced The Media +will slowly and reluctantly come around to my way of thinking, kicking +and screaming all the way."" (pages 266, 21, 299 and 273, respectively.) + +On Religion as the Basis of a Nation + Hitler: ""In this world human culture and civilization are +inseperably bound up with the existence of the Aryan. His dying-off or his +decline would again lower upon this earth the dark veils of a time without +culture ... He who dares to lay hand upon the highest image of the Lord +sins against the benevolent Creator of this miracle and helps in the +expulsion from Paradise."" (Page 581.) + Limbaugh: ""America was founded as a Judeo-Christian country ... +But our intellectual and political elites are often either hostile or +ambivalent toward religion ... People for whom belief in God is at best a +charming superstition have managed to ban prayer from the public schools +for the last thirty years. Is it only a coincidence that the quality of +American education has declined ever since?"" (pages 274-5.) + +On Popular Culture as a Reason for Social Collapse + Hitler: ""The fight against the poisoning of the soul has to set in ... +One has only to look at the menus of our movie houses, vaudevilles and +theatres; and one can hardly deny that this is not the right kind of food ... +Theatre, art, literature, movies, the press, billposters and window displays +must be cleaned of the symptoms of a rotting world and put into the +service of a moral idea of State and culture."" (pages 346 and 348.) + Limbaugh: ""Today, Hollywood is in trouble. The reason [is] that +Hollywood has forgotten who its audience is ... They make fun of people +who believe in God. They ridicule the traditional family, heterosexuality +and monagamy. They disparage American heroes."" (page 254.) + +On the News Meida + Hitler: ""The activity of the so-called liberal press was the work of +gravediggers for the German people and the German Reich. One can pass +by in silence the Marxist papers of lies ... it's task is only to break the +people's folkish and national spine, in order to make it ripe for the yoke of +slavery of international capital and its masters, the Jews."" (Page 331.) + Limbaugh: ""Elements of The Media have jumped on the +bandwagon of leftist causes. The cynical journalist of the past has been +replaced in many cases by an enthusiastic cheerleader for causes ... During +the Gulf war, CNN correspondent Bernard Shaw [said] CNN is a global +network. We can't take sides. Cant take sides? --- --- ---! ... If they don't +realize that their freedom lies in the United States of America and that +therefore they should defend this nation, they are hopelessly misguided +and, may I suggest, flirting with megalomania."" (pages 270 and 268.) + +* * * + +To continue these comparative excerpts is certainly possible, but +ultimately too depressing to take in one reading. + After putting these books down, there is one undeniable fact that +haunts me. In the 1920s, Adolf Hitler fed depressed and frightened +Germans the opiate of hatred of those around them; in turn, it allowed +Germans to hand their collective national power to the Nazis. In the 1990s, +Rush Limbaugh is doing the very same thing: distributing hatred to +depressed and frightened Americans; in turn, it is helping the American +radical right to maintain its power base as the 12-year nightmare of the +Reagan-Bush era comes to an end, hoping to rebuild it into their hopes for +The Fascist States of America. + And if Limbaugh is not as repellant a Hitler, it is only because the +radical right utilizes Limbaugh as its own gateway opiate. One can only +wonder what the ultimate drug is they plan to hook America on. + +The Madison Edge can be reached at PO Box 845, Madison, WI 53701- +0845; (608) 255-4460. + +--- 30 --- + + +";18;True +"From: rachford@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Jeffery M Rachford) +Subject: Sandberg Update...Won't be long now!!! +Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network +Distribution: na +Lines: 21 + + +Hi all you Ryno fans (and those interested...) +Todays Chicago Tribune had this written in it today in regards to +Ryne Sandberg... + +""Ryne Sandberg is ahead of schedule in his recovery from a broken +left hand and could be back in the lineup by May 1, manager Jim +Lefebvre said Friday. +Doctors cleared Sandberg to swing a padded bat at a ball in his +gloved hand. +'' I'm not surprised his rehabilitation has been moved up,'' said +Lefebvre. '' He's a fast healer, and he doesn't like being on the +disabled list. He's been running since he was hurt [March 5] and +is in the best shape of his life. May 1 is his target date for +getting back in the lineup."" + +Hold on to your hats Cub fans...more later as information +presents itself. + +Jeffery + +";14;True +"From: petrack@vnet.IBM.COM +Subject: disabling all power management interrupts +Reply-To: petrack@vnet.IBM.COM +Disclaimer: This posting may contain no views at all +News-Software: Usenet 3.1 +Lines: 21 + +Could someone please do one of the following: +1. Point to an init that allows me to turn off power management on my + Duo 210. +1. Write an init that would allow me to turn off ALL power management on + Duo 210. +2. Point me to documentation on power management so that I can write such + an init. +3. Explain to me why such an init is totally or partially impossible. + +Ideally, of course, I would like to be able to turn in on and off on the +fly. + +Surely such an init would be very helpful to Powerbook owners who want to +do MIDI... I cannot imagine why it is not possible to do, unless it requires +Apple to divluge some secret. And if that is the case, the surely APPLE +could write the init. (Unless Apple brings out new models so fast these +days that even THEY don't know how they work). + +Scott Petrack +Petrack@haifasc3.vnet.ibm.com + +";0;True +"From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) +Subject: Re: Motorola XC68882RC33 and RC50 +Organization: U of Toronto Zoology +Lines: 14 + +In article sgberg@charon.bloomington.in.us (Stefan Berg) writes: +>... I don't know why my FPU has an XC (my original 33MHz FPU +>was label MC68882-33), but it seems to work fine on my system... +>P.S. Or does it mean eXperimental Chip instead of Motorola Chip? .-) + +The rule for the designations is that if it says MC, that means it works +*exactly* the way the datasheet/book specifies. If it says XC, that means +there is at least one known bug. Often these bugs are small and obscure; +you might never run into them in practice. + +At least Motorola admits it, unlike certain other companies... +-- +All work is one man's work. | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology + - Kipling | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry +";11;True +"From: jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton) +Subject: Re: bikes with big dogs +Organization: AT&T +Distribution: na +Lines: 20 + +In article <1993Apr14.234835.1@cua.edu> 84wendel@cua.edu writes: +>Has anyone ever heard of a rider giving a big dog such as a great dane a ride +>on the back of his bike. My dog would love it if I could ever make it work. +> Thanks +> 84wendel@cua.edu + + If a large Malmute counts then yes someone has heard(and seen) such +an irresponsible childish stunt. The dog needed assistance straightening +out once on board. The owner would lift the front legs of dog and throw +them over the driver/pilots shoulders. Said dog would get shit eating +grin on its face and away they'd go. The dogs ass was firmly planted +on the seat. + + My dog and this dog actively seek each other out at camping party's. +They hate each other. I think it's something personal. + +================================================================================ + Steatopygias's 'R' Us. doh#0000000005 That ain't no Hottentot. + Sesquipedalian's 'R' Us. ZX-10. AMA#669373 DoD#564. There ain't no more. +================================================================================ +";7;True +"From: nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) +Subject: Re: Remember those names come election time. +Nntp-Posting-Host: c.ch.apollo.hp.com +Organization: Hewlett-Packard Corporation, Chelmsford, MA +Keywords: usa federal, government, international, non-usa government +Lines: 39 + +In article anwar+@cs.cmu.edu (Anwar Mohammed) writes: +>In article nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writes: +>> +>> BTW, with Bosnia's large Moslem population, why have nations like +>> Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Egypt, and others with either money +>> or strong military forces not spoken out more forcibly or offered +>> to help out Bosnia? +> +>Obviously, you really don't know. +> +>They *have* spoken out (cf Sec'y of State Christopher's recent trip to the ME), + + Note the clause ""more forcibly"", above. My point is that they have + made a few pro-forma, perfunctory remarks, and sent in a few C-130's and + so forth, but it's clearly not something they're losing much sleep over. + They're just going through the motions, while Moslems are being ""ethnically + cleansed"" out of what used to be Yugoslavia. The US has been speaking + out far more loudly than the Moslem nations in the UN and other world + forums. + + +>> Besides, there's no case that can be made for US military involvement +>> there that doesn't apply equally well to, say, Liberia, Angola, or +>> (it appears with the Khmer Rouge's new campaign) Cambodia. Non-whites +>> don't count? +> +>Hmm...some might say Kuwaitis are non-white. Ooops, I forgot, Kuwaitis are +>""oil rich"", ""loaded with petro-dollars"", etc so they don't count. + + Precisely. Humanitarian concerns were not the primary justification + for US involvement in the Gulf - oil and geopolitics were. If the + the Kuwaitis didn't have oil (and assuming Iraq still saw fit to + invade them) I doubt you would have seen Operation Desert Storm. + + +---peter + + + +";15;True +"From: kolstad@cae.wisc.edu (Joel Kolstad) +Subject: Re: Dumb Question: Function Generator +Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering +Lines: 35 + +In article dgj2y@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (David Glen Jacobowitz) writes: +> +> I have a new scope and I thought I'd save a few bucks by +>buying one with a function generator built in. + +Hmm... now where was that ad for the combination radio/hand cranked +generator/flashlight/siren I saw? :-) + +[function generator has a 50mV offset, and the amplitude's too high] + +> Is there any way I could make myself a little box that could +>solve this little problem. The box would tkae the function generator +>input, lower the voltage and give an output impedance that is some +>low, unchanging number. I would want to lower the voltage by a factor +>of one hundred or so. I could just build a little buffer amp, but I'd +>like to have this box not be active. + +Sure, you've already got the right idea. + +Ignoring the 50 ohm internal resistance of the generator for a second, just +run it into, say, a voltage divider made of 990 ohms in series with 10 +ohms. This new circuit is the Thevenin equivalent of one that puts out +1/100 of the original voltage, and has an output impedence of negligibly +less than 10 ohms. You may want to monkey with the values a little +depending on whether you care more about the _exact_ dividing ratio or +the availability of parts. + +Hows that sound? + + ---Joel Kolstad + +P.S. -- This is why those 1000:1 high voltage probes for multimeters can be +accurate but still cheap. They have something like 100 megs in series with +100k, which doesn't load the (often high impedence) source much, as well as +keeping the (probably 10 meg impedance) multimeter happy. +";11;True +"From: mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) +Subject: Legitimate bawdy humor; was: Re: sex education - it's a joke ! +Organization: AI Programs, University of Georgia, Athens +Lines: 28 + +In article Lubosh.Hanuska@anu.edu.au (ljh) writes: + +>""Well, my son, the best advice I can give you is this: Eat a lot of +>carrots!"" +>""Oh, do you really think that will work ?!? And should it be before or +>after intercourse?"" +>""INSTEAD, my son, INSTEAD!"" +... +>Disclaimer: As a single Catholic I didn't have any business to post this +>kind of joke to this group, so if you found it inappropriate [...] + +But what was wrong with it? It won't tempt anyone to any kind of sin, as +far as I can tell. It doesn't belittle anyone. It does not substitute +offensiveness for humor (it's genuinely funny). + +We shouldn't assume that _all_ jokes that mention sexuality are ""dirty"" +merely because so many are. + +And we should never mistake prudery for spirituality. It can be the direct +opposite -- a symptom of the _lack_ of a healthy perspective on God's +creation. + + +-- +:- Michael A. Covington internet mcovingt@ai.uga.edu : ***** +:- Artificial Intelligence Programs phone 706 542-0358 : ********* +:- The University of Georgia fax 706 542-0349 : * * * +:- Athens, Georgia 30602-7415 U.S.A. amateur radio N4TMI : ** *** ** <>< +";17;True +"From: greg@anacapa.NCEL.Navy.Mil (Gregory K. Ramsey) +Subject: Micron Computer, Inc. (Formerly Edge Technology) +Organization: Naval Civil Engineering Lab, Port Hueneme +Lines: 9 + +Since the net has convinced me not to try FastMicro (if they +were still answering their phones) does anybody have any +opinions on Micron Computer, Inc? Their 486VL Magnum got an +Editors Choice in the Jan 26th roundup of 486/66s. + +Email and I'll sumarize. + +Greg +greg@ncel.navy.mil +";5;True +"From: ajs8@kimbark.uchicago.edu (adam jeremy schorr) +Subject: Graphics Needed +Reply-To: ajs8@midway.uchicago.edu +Organization: University of Chicago +Lines: 2 + + I'm looking for graphics (clipart, bmp, gif...) of anything relating to ophthalmology (I know it's a weird request). Anything such as eyeglasses, +contact lenses, eyes...would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. +";1;True +"From: lvc@cbnews.cb.att.com (Larry Cipriani) +Subject: Re: I believe in gun control. +Organization: Ideology Busters, Inc. +Lines: 22 + +In article <1993Apr3.221837.2324@news.duc.auburn.edu> bixledn@eng.auburn.edu writes: +>In article 16193@cbnews.cb.att.com, lvc@cbnews.cb.att.com (Larry Cipriani) writes: +>> No, you haven't read it very closely . It says you may answer ""No"" if your +>> civil rights have been restored; that can be done either by the feds' or a +>> a state. I think the feds stopped doing this for those convicted of violent +>> felonies. At least a dozen states still restore a felons civil rights, some +>> immediately upon release, some after a waiting period. I will post a list +>> of the states later. +>> +> +> A quick question, then Larry, If a person's civil rights have been restored, +> then are they still considered a felon? + +Good question; I don't know what the law considers them. + +> IMO, if rights have been restored, then it makes sense to me that the +> record of the felony, and everything else has been purged, and the +> person in question is no longer a felon. + +I believe this is what happens in some states. +-- +Larry Cipriani -- l.v.cipriani@att.com +";3;True +"From: jim@rand.org (Jim Gillogly) +Subject: Secret algorithm [Re: Clipper Chip and crypto key-escrow] +Keywords: encryption, wiretap, clipper, key-escrow, Mykotronx +Organization: Banzai Institute +Lines: 19 +Nntp-Posting-Host: mycroft.rand.org + +May as well look at one piece of this at a time. This paragraph: + +>To demonstrate the effectiveness of this new technology, the +>Attorney General will soon purchase several thousand of the new +>devices. In addition, respected experts from outside the +>government will be offered access to the confidential details of +>the algorithm to assess its capabilities and publicly report +>their findings. + +means they aren't planning to make it public, as was done with DES. As it +says in both sci.crypt FAQs, there's no way we are going to achieve the +same level of comfort with Clipper that we finally have with DES if we +can't actually get our hands on the bits and watch them flow around. Even +the best experts aren't going to think of everything: look how long it +took Biham and Shamir to get a handle on just how good DES is... and for +all we know there's still more to learn. +-- + Jim Gillogly + Trewesday, 25 Astron S.R. 1993, 17:10 +";16;True +"From: scott@silverbullet.cam.org (Jeff Scott) +Subject: Re: NTSC and the Mac +Lines: 24 +X-Mailer: rnMac Buggy, I mean Beta, Test Version + + + + +> Also, I am not interested in Quicktime. I would merely like to +> use my Mac as a television from time to time. I have a nice +> Sony 1430 monitor, and I would like to use it as a second TV +> when my wife is watching sitcoms on our regular TV. +> + + +Wouldn't it be cheaper to just buy a little fourteen inch colour tv? Just +curious... + +> +> George Micahels + + + + +-- + +Jeff Scott +Montreal, Que, Canada +scott@silverbullet.cam.org +";0;True +"From: Ravi Konchigeri +Subject: Re: LCIII problems +X-Xxmessage-Id: +X-Xxdate: Thu, 15 Apr 93 03:12:01 GMT +Organization: Stanford University +X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d17 +Lines: 18 + +Finally got my computer fixed and I'd like to sum up. + +About hard drive companies: the original 160 meg drive that was bad (bad +sector or something) was an IBM. The new one is a Quantum. Is the LCIII +supposed to be shipped with IBMs? Is there a quality difference? +Apparently! :) + +Second, about hard drive position. I've put the LCIII on its side and +the new 160 HD has had no problems at all. I've even switched back and +forth between horizontal and vertical and there are no problems. As far +as I'm concerned I don't believe HD position is important for drives up +to 160 meg, in any computer. Don't know about CD-ROM, though. + + + ""Just like everything else in life, the right lane ends in half a mile."" + +Ravi Konchigeri. +mongoose@leland.stanford.edu +";0;True +"From: cst@blueoak.berkeley.edu (Courtney Terry) +Subject: For Sale: 1969 karmann ghia +Organization: University of California, Berkeley +Lines: 25 +Distribution: ba +NNTP-Posting-Host: blueoak.berkeley.edu + +******************************************************* + 1969 karmann ghia +******************************************************* + +This car is in excellent running condition: + ********* + *49,000 mi on new engine + *new tires (Aug 92) + *new clutch (91) + *new carb (91) + *original radio (am/fm) + *upholstery in great shape + *burgundy exterior/ black interior + +This car has been well-maintained with regular tune-ups. +Unfortunately, the car's previous owner had a minor +front-end collision. The right front nose is dented +and patched up with bondo. I have the hard-to-find part +needed to repair this damage. Besides that damage, the car +is in excellent condition. $1600/bo + +Courtney email: cst@blueoak.berkeley.edu + phone (after 5 on weekdays): 510-704-9237 + + +";8;True +"From: dianem@boi.hp.com (Diane Mathews) +Subject: Re: BATF/FBI revenge +Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho +Lines: 18 + +>>Am I having a vain hope that an honest investigation will occur on this +>>thing? Or will it simply be whitewashed under the rug, and Business +>>as Usual will continue to be the Order of the Day in the New Order? +>>Who will be given the official title of ""Thought Police"", I wonder...? +>> +>>And if Clinton and friends have their way, (highly likely at this point) +>>the New Order Government will also have all the guns... So what if +>>""1984"" is going to be ten years late... I think we are going to discover +>>that we will be paying DEARLY for putting this fellow in office for decades +>>to come. Even some die-hard supporters are having serious doubts about +>>their Savior. + +Ahem. See the War on Drugs, as sponsored by the Bush and Reagan +administrations. The precedent had well been set for federal agencies to +step on more than a few of what people consider ""rights."" I won't make +excuses for anyone, but most of the damage had been done before Clinton +even entered the race in '92. + +";3;True +"From: cosmo@pro-angmar.alfalfa.com (Frank Benson) +Subject: Freeman +Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway +Lines: 5 +NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu + +Watch your language ASSHOLE!!!! +--- +ProLine: cosmo@pro-angmar +Internet: cosmo@pro-angmar.alfalfa.com +UUCP: uunet!bu.edu!alphalpha!pro-angmar!cosmo +";15;True +"From: starowl@bolero.rahul.net (Michael D. Adams) +Subject: Re: California Insurance Commissioner Endorses Federal Legislation to Protect Consumers from Scam Insurance Companies +Article-I.D.: rahul.C51D0n.3Fw +Reply-To: starowl@a2i.rahul.net +Organization: D Service Actuarial Consulting +Lines: 12 +Nntp-Posting-Host: bolero +X-Header: IGNORE ignore Ignore IgNoRe this line + +rick@sjsumcs.sjsu.edu (Richard Warner) writes: + +>Very simple. An 'Insurance Commissioner' is a bureaucrat - a regulator. +>It is his/her duties to make rules to enforce laws. + +...and to make life difficult for us actuaries..... :-/ + +-- +Michael D. Adams (starowl@a2i.rahul.net) Champaign, IL / southeast AL + + ""THRUSH believes in the two-party system: The masters and the slaves."" + -- Napoleon Solo (from The Man from U.N.C.L.E) +";18;True +"From: himb@iniki.soest.hawaii.edu (Liz Camarra) +Subject: Re: ZEOS VESA Video Changes & Specs +Organization: School of Ocean and Earth Science and Technology +Lines: 19 + +In article <1993Apr06.154348.17163@zeos.com> root@zeos.com (Superuser) writes: +> +> NCR Stealth 24 VLB Viper VLB +>64Ox480 Colors 16,256 16,256,32K,64K,16.7M 16,256,32K,64K,16.7M * +[stuff deleted] +>Video RAM 1M 1M 1M +>Max RAM addressable +> by Vid Processor 3M 2M 2M + ^^ + + Just a note, even though the 805 can address 2 megs of dram, the +Stealth 24 VLB can only handle 1 meg, unless Diamond has a newer +design (or some special deal with Zeos). + ++----------------------------------------------------------------+ +Stephen Lau, Elec. Engineering, Univ. of Hawaii +*Using a friend's account while waiting for my new grad. account* ++ Death to FM synthesis! Go Gus! + + +";5;True +"From: edd@gvlf4-a.gvl.unisys.com (Ed Dougherty) +Subject: Re: Phills vs Pirates +Summary: Good Baseball +Keywords: mlb, 04.16 +Organization: Unisys Defense Systems, Great Valley Labs, Paoli, Pa +Lines: 9 +Nntp-Posting-Host: gvlf4-a + + +As a Philly fan as as a Penna. baseball fan, I'm anxious to see the +Penna. series. Anyone know when it starts and where the first games +will be played? + +This is (I think) always good baseball (to me); and the Pirates are +also off to a good start. + +Ed Doc +";14;True +"From: markp@elvis.wri.com (Mark Pundurs) +Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is +Nntp-Posting-Host: elvis.wri.com +Organization: Wolfram Research, Inc. +Lines: 27 + +In <930415.112243.8v6.rusnews.w165w@mantis.co.uk> mathew@mantis.co.uk (mathew) writes: + +>There's no objective physics; Einstein and Bohr have told us that. + +Speaking as one who knows relativity and quantum mechanics, I say: +Bullshit. + +>There's no objective reality. LSD should be sufficient to prove that. + +Speaking as one who has taken LSD, I say: +Bullshit. + +>> One wonders just what people who ask such questions understand by the term +>> ""objective"", if anything. + +>I consider it to be a useful fiction; an abstract ideal we can strive +>towards. Like an ideal gas or a light inextensible string, it doesn't +>actually exist; but we can talk about things as if they were like it, and not +>be too far wrong. + +How could striving toward an ideal be in any way useful, if the ideal +had no objective existence? +-- +Mark Pundurs + +any resemblance between my opinions and those +of Wolfram Research, Inc. is purely coincidental +";19;True +"From: mryan@stsci.edu +Subject: Should I be angry at this doctor? +Lines: 26 +Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute +Distribution: na + +Am I justified in being pissed off at this doctor? + +Last Saturday evening my 6 year old son cut his finger badly with a knife. +I took him to a local ""Urgent and General Care"" clinic at 5:50 pm. The +clinic was open till 6:00 pm. The receptionist went to the back and told the +doctor that we were there, and came back and told us the doctor would not +see us because she had someplace to go at 6:00 and did not want to be delayed +here. During the next few minutes, in response to my questions, with several +trips to the back room, the receptionist told me: + - the doctor was doing paperwork in the back, + - the doctor would not even look at his finger to advise us on going + to the emergency room; + - the doctor would not even speak to me; + - she would not tell me the doctor's name, or her own name; + - when asked who is in charge of the clinic, she said ""I don't know."" + +I realize that a private clinic is not the same as an emergency room, but +I was quite angry at being turned away because the doctor did not want to +be bothered. My son did get three stitches at the emergency room. I'm still +trying to find out who is in charge of that clinic so I can write them a +letter. We will certainly never set foot in that clinic again. + +------------------------------------------------------------------------- +Mary Ryan mryan@stsci.edu +Space Telescope Science Institute +Baltimore, Maryland +";4;True +"From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) +Subject: Re: Too Many Europeans in NHL +Article-I.D.: alchemy.1993Apr6.195022.6362 +Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department +Lines: 24 + +In article <1993Apr6.155743.18798@adobe.com> snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols) writes: +>In article <1993Apr6.141557.8864@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes: +>>Anyways, crawl back into the hole you crawled out of...the NBA doesn't +>>care where they get basketball players from, major league baseball +>>doesn't give a damn where they get baseball players from (except Cuba, +>>that is). +> +>MLB is perfectly willing to take players from Cuba. They just have to +>defect first. +> +>Sort of like the situation used to be with Russian/Czech/etc hockey +>players, until the political situation in those countries changed. +> + +Major league baseball has told the Blue Jays and the Expos not to +sign Oscar Linares (I think that is his name) +...Canada does not have the restrictions against +Cubans that the US has and other major league teams have told the +Canadian teams that they would be very unhappy if the Expos or the +Blue Jays would do this. Cubans players would not have to defect +to play in Canada and could play the 81 home games for the Expos +and Blue Jays without any trouble. + +Gerald +";13;True +"From: brain@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (harish.s.mangrulkar) +Subject: Pocono Vacation House Rental +Organization: AT&T +Distribution: usa +Lines: 35 + + + +Available for Weekly/bi-weekly/weekend Rental : + +A brand new chalet in a private resort community located in the heart +of the Pocono Mountains. The chalet has 3 bedrooms and 2 bathrooms and +features full carpeting, cathedral ceiling in living/dining room, an +overlooking loft, stone fireplace, wraparound deck, country kitchen +with all appliances and many other features too numerous to list them +all. Its custom designed and built and tastefully furnished for the +comfort of 8 adults. + +The community has 24 hour security and offers 2 large lakes, 4 sandy +beaches, 2 swimming pools, 9 tennis courts, many picnic areas, +4 playgrounds, miniature golf, trout stream/lake fishing, team softball, +shuffleboard, ice skating/tobagun run, teen dances, club house etc. etc. + +There are many recreational facilities within easy reach of the +vacation home. Ski resorts, luxury hotels with nitely entertaiment, +Pocono international raceway, golf courses, parks, gamelands, +whitewater rafting, horseback riding, scenic trails, waterfalls, +train rides, historical places, all kinds of restaurants, +factory outlet malls, tourist attractions, just to name a few. + +This is an ideal place for a family/group vacation or a weekend +getaway. There is no traffic congestion and air or water pollution +and its only 2 hours from New York, Northern New Jersey and +Philadelphia. + +For further information call : + + 908-834-1254 (daytime) + 908-388-5880 (evenings and weekends) + + +";8;True +"From: obrien@hri.com (Jim Obrien) +Subject: IBM-PC XT switch settings +Organization: Horizon Research, Inc. +Lines: 7 +Distribution: world +Reply-To: obrien@bigbird.hri.com +NNTP-Posting-Host: sparc28.hri.com + +I just got an IBM-PC XT with no documents. Its a true +IBM, and I was wondering if anyone had the definitions +of the 2 8 position dip switches? + +- thankx Jim + + +";11;True +"From: marc@tanda.isis.org (Marc Thibault) +Subject: Re: Don't fight Clipper Chip, subvert or replace it ! +Reply-To: marc@tanda.isis.org +Distribution: na +Organization: Thibault & Friends +Lines: 10 + +In article +(The Jester) writes: + +> Proof Windows is a Virus:It is very widespread, It eats up your disk +> space, It slows down your computer, It takes control over your +> computer, It performs disk access at random times, It displays silly +> messages on your screen, It randomly crashes the computer-Vesselin + + This sounds like a version Unix. Solaris? + +";16;True +"From: rjl+@pitt.edu (Richard J. Loether) +Subject: Re: Who's next? Mormons and Jews? +Distribution: usa +Organization: University of Pittsburgh +Lines: 38 + +In article <1r1et6INNh8p@ctron-news.ctron.com> king@ctron.com (John E. King) writes: +: +: pmy@vivaldi.acc.Virginia.EDU (Pete Yadlowsky) writes: +: +:::Didn't Christ tell his disciples to arm them selves, shortly +:::before his crusifiction? (I believe the exact quote was along the +:::lines of, ""If you have [something] sell it and buy a sword."") +: +::This from a guy who preached love, deference of power to God and +::renunciation of worldly life in exchange for a life of the spirit? If +::Jesus did in fact command his disciples to arm themselves, I would +::take that as yet another reason to reject Christian doctrine, for +::whatever it's worth. + +Like most religions, the doctrine has good and bad in it. I would +certainly reject the current implementations of the doctrine. +: +:No. The above is a classic example of taking a scripture out of context. +:It's taken from Luke 22:36. But note vs 37; ""For I tell you that this +:which is written must be accomplished in me, namely, 'and he will be reckoned +:with lawless ones'..."". He then stated that two swords were enough +:for the group to carry to be counted as lawless. + +So having more than the politically correct number of weapons was +cause to be arresed and killed even then, huh? + +:Jesus' overiding message was one of peace (turn other cheek; live by +:sword die by sword; etc). + +Yes, of course, as in Matthew 10:34-35 ""Do not suppose that I have come to +bring peace to the earth; it is not peace I have come to bring but a sword..."" +: +RJL +-- +Rich Loether Snail mail: University of Pittsburgh The Ideas: +EMail: rjl+@pitt.edu Computing and Info Services Mine, +Voice: (412) 624-6429 600 Epsilon Drive all +FAX : (412) 624-6426 Pittsburgh, PA 15238 Mine. +";19;True +"From: ls8139@albnyvms.bitnet (larry silverberg) +Subject: podiatry School info? +Reply-To: ls8139@albnyvms.bitnet +Organization: University of Albany, SUNY +Lines: 21 + +Hello, + +I am planning on attending Podiatry School next year. + +I have narrowed my choices to the Pennsylvania College of Podiatric +Medicine, in Philadelphia, or the California College of Podiatric +Medicine in San Francisco. + +If anyone has any information or oppinions about these two schools, please +tell me. I am having a hard time deciding which one to attend, and must +make a decision very soon. + +thank you, Larry + +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ +Live From New York, It's SATURDAY NIGHT... + +Tonight's special guest: +Lawrence Silverberg from The State University of New York @ Albany +aka:ls8139@gemini.Albany.edu +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ +";4;True +"From: adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack) +Subject: Re: was:Go Hezbollah!! +Organization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University +Lines: 33 + +In article mafifi@eis.calstate.edu (Marc A Afifi) writes: + +>resistance fighters. Don't forget that it was the French Resistance to the +>Nazi occupying forces which eventually succeeded in driving out the +>hostile occupiers in WWII. + + And all this time I thought it was the US & Britian invading +Normandy, the constant, round the clock bombing, and the fact that the +Germans were fighting on two fronts. How silly of me. :) + + This is not to devalue the actions of the resistance +movements, but resistance movements did not defeat the Nazis. + +>Diplomacy has not worked with Israel and the +>Lebanese people are tired of being occupied! They are now turning to the +>only option they see as viable. (Don't forget that it worked in driving +>out the US) + + Israel has repeatedly stated that it will leave when the +Lebanese government shows that it can prevent attacks on Israel, and +when the Syrians agree to leave. + + The Lebanese have not tried diplomacy for very long, or maybe +they're not capable of getting rid of the Syrians and Iranians who +occupy their land. If they closed down the Hezbolah, and negotiated a +withdrawl of Syrian forces, Israel would be happy to leave. + +Adam + +Adam Shostack adam@das.harvard.edu + +""If we had a budget big enough for drugs and sexual favors, we sure +wouldn't waste them on members of Congress..."" -John Perry Barlow +";15;True +"From: aa229@Freenet.carleton.ca (Steve Birnbaum) +Subject: Re: Israeli Expansion-lust +Reply-To: aa229@Freenet.carleton.ca (Steve Birnbaum) +Organization: The National Capital Freenet +Lines: 24 + + +In a previous article, hasan@McRCIM.McGill.EDU (M. Hasan AlHafez) says: + +>So the wars of 1948, 1956, 1967, 1968 (Karama), 1978, and 1982 were +>all started by Arabs. + +The wars of 1948, 1956, 1967, 1978 were definitely started by the Arabs. +The war in 1982 was instigated by the Arabs who continually murdered +Israeli children with their rocket attacks. Israel was only trying to +stop this. +Last what the heck are you talking about with ""1968 (Karama)""? There was +no war in 1968! + + Steve +-- +------------------------------------------------------------------------------ +| Internet: aa229@freenet.carleton.ca Fidonet: 1:163/109.18 | +| Mossad@qube.ocunix.on.ca | +| <> | +";15;True +"From: sturges@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Richard Sturges) +Subject: Re: DOT Tire date codes +Reply-To: sturges@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Richard Sturges) +Distribution: usa +Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD +Lines: 12 + +In rec.motorcycles, cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson) writes: +>To the nedod mailing list, and Jack Tavares suggested I check out +>how old the tire is as one tactic for getting it replaced. Does +>anyone have the file on how to read the date codes handy? + +It's quite simple; the code is the week and year of manufacture. + + <================================================> + / Rich Sturges (h) 703-536-4443 \ + / NSWC - Carderock Division (w) 301-227-1670 \ + / ""I speak for no one else, and listen to the same."" \ + <========================================================> +";7;True +"From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) +Subject: Re: Lunar Colony Race! By 2005 or 2010? +Organization: U of Toronto Zoology +Lines: 18 + +In article <1993Apr21.140804.15028@draper.com> mrf4276@egbsun12.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Matthew R. Feulner) writes: +>|> Need to find atleast $1billion for prize money. +> +>My first thought is Ross Perot. After further consideration, I think he'd +>be more likely to try to win it...but come in a disappointing third. +>Try Bill Gates. Try Sam Walton's kids. + +When the Lunar Society's $500M estimate of the cost of a lunar colony was +mentioned at Making Orbit, somebody asked Jerry Pournelle ""have you talked +to Bill Gates?"". The answer: ""Yes. He says that if he were going to +sink that much money into it, he'd want to run it -- and he doesn't have +the time."" + +(Somebody then asked him about Perot. Answer: ""Having Ross Perot on your +board may be a bigger problem than not having the money."") +-- +All work is one man's work. | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology + - Kipling | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry +";2;True +"From: will@rins.ryukoku.ac.jp (William Reiken) +Subject: Re: nuclear waste +Organization: Ryukoku Univ., Seta, Japan +Lines: 12 + +In article <1pp6reINNonl@phantom.gatech.edu>, matthew@phantom.gatech.edu (Matthew DeLuca) writes: +> +> Greedy little oil companies? Don't blame them; oil companies just supply the +> demand created by you, me, and just about everyone else on the planet. If we +> run out, its all our faults. +> + + Ok, so how about the creation of oil producing bacteria? I figure +that if you can make them to eat it up then you can make them to shit it. +Any comments? + + Will... +";2;True +"From: hl7204@eehp22 (H L) +Subject: Re: Graphics Library Package +Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana +Lines: 2 + + + +";1;True +"From: mikey@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Strider) +Subject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!! +Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX +Lines: 28 +NNTP-Posting-Host: louie.cc.utexas.edu + +irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Brent Irvine) writes: +:cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes: +:>mfrhein@wpi.WPI.EDU (Michael Frederick Rhein) writes: +:>> +:>> As someone else has pointed out, why would the stove be in use on a warm +:>> day in Texas. +:> +:>Do YOU eat all your food cold? +: +:Ever hear of electric ovens or microwaves? Very popular. +:Electric stoves outside metro-areas especially. + +Hey, Einstein, ever tried to use an electric stove or microwave WITHOUT +ELECTRICITY? It's been shut off for weeks now, courtesy of your local FBI +assault squad. + +Now, are you going to put your foot in your mouth or shall I get a crowbar +and assist you? + + +Mike Ruff +-- +- This above all, to thine own S T R I D E R mikey@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu +- self be true. --Polonius * * ***** ** * * **** ***** *** * * +Those who would sacrifice essential * * * * * * * * * * ** * + liberties for a little temporary * * * **** * * **** * * * * * + safety deserve neither liberty * * * * * * * * * * * ** + nor safety. --B. Franklin **** * * * **** **** * *** * * +";3;True +"From: Pegasus@aaa.uoregon.edu (Pegasus) +Subject: Re: Merlin, Mithras and Magick +Organization: the Polyhedron Group +Lines: 21 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: fp1-dialin-1.uoregon.edu + +In article , +joshua@cpac.washington.edu (Joshua Geller) wrote: +> +> +> In article +> Pegasus@aaa.uoregon.edu (LaurieEWBrandt) writes: +> +LEWB>> Lets add to those percentages 13-15% for the Orphaic docterians +brought LEWB>>to the group by Paul/Saul who was a high ranking initiate. On +the LEWB>>development of Orphaic Mysteries, see Jane Harrisons .Prolegomena +to the LEWB>>study of Greek religion. Cambridge U Press 1922. and you can +easly draw LEWB>>your own conclusions. + +josh> perhaps you can quote just a bit of her argument? + +Love to,but I must do it a bit later My copy of Harrison in packed, but the +last chapter as best as I can rember deals with Orphic mysteries and their +views of women though she does not come out and say it it is strongly +implyed that the Christian view was drawn heavly from the Orphic and other +Major cults of the time. +Pegasus +";19;True +"From: raman@translab.its.uci.edu (Balaji V. Ramanathan) +Subject: Re: Plymouth Sundance/Dodge Shadow experiences? +Nntp-Posting-Host: translab.its.uci.edu +Organization: University of California, Irvine +Lines: 23 +Distribution: usa + +In article <1qofeaINNn7h@shelley.u.washington.edu> gaia@carson.u.washington.edu (I/We are Gaia) writes: +>just stopped putting money into it. I must have put at least $5000-$7000 +>worth of repairs over it's lifetime. I am sorry but Lee Iacocca can bite +>me. Bullshit, whoever backs em best, is just afraid the stupid things area + The part about spending $5000-7000 on repairs reminds me +of an article I read in a magazine comparing the 5 year ownership costs +of a Toyota Camry and a Ford Taurus or something like that. The result, +which they announced with great flourish was that it cost the same at the +end of the period. That was their argument to prove that you don't go +wrong buying the Ford Taurus over the Camry. + + Now, if I remember correctly, the Camry costs about $4000 or so more +in initial costs. Essentially, it means that you spend about $4000 extra +on repairs on the Taurus. That is ridiculous. Every time your car +needs repairs, it is extra hassles, loss of time and a dozen other things. +I would much rather spend $5000 more in initial costs than spend $4000 more +in repair costs. + +-- +----------------->8 Cut here for Signature! 8<--------------------- +Balaji Ramanathan, | +Institute of Transportation Studies, | I don't believe in luck! +University of California, Irvine. | I RELY on it!! +";10;True +"From: bradski@retina.bu.edu (Gary Bradski) +Subject: Re: was: Go Hezbollah!! + <1993Apr14.201143.20969@src.honeywell.com> + + <1993Apr15.031349.21824@src.honeywell.com> +Organization: Boston University Center for Adaptive Systems +Lines: 32 +In-reply-to: amehdi@src.honeywell.com's message of 15 Apr 93 03:13:49 GMT + +>>>>> On 15 Apr 93 03:13:49 GMT, amehdi@src.honeywell.com (Hossien Amehdi) said: +In article <1993Apr15.031349.21824@src.honeywell.com> amehdi@src.honeywell.com (Hossien Amehdi) writes: + . . . +>> Who is the you Arabs here. Since you are replying to my article you +>> are assuming that I am an Arab. Well, I'm not an Arab, but I think you +>> are brain is full of shit if you really believe what you said. The +>> bombardment of civilian and none civilian areas in Lebanon by Israel is +>> very consistent with its policy of intimidation. That is the only +>> policy that has been practiced by the so called only democracy in +>> the middle east! + +>> I was merley pointing out that the other side is also suffering. +>> Like I said, I'm not an Arab but if I was, say a Lebanese, you bet +>> I would defende my homeland against any invader by any means. + ^^^ +The Syrians? Iranian agents? Or just Israeli invaders? +-- +@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ --------------- +Gary Bradski I'net: bradski@park.bu.edu | reverberate | +Cognitive and Neural Systems --------------- +Boston University. | V V +111 Cummington St, Boston MA 02215 ^ Y +617/ 353-6426 ^ ^ | + -------------- + I don't even agree with some of my opinions | or die! | +@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ -------------- + + + + + + +";15;True +"From: rao@cse.uta.edu (Rao Venkatesh Simha) +Subject: xrn , xarchie for HP's +Nntp-Posting-Host: cse.uta.edu +Organization: Computer Science Engineering at the University of Texas at Arlington +Lines: 10 + + + Hi, + I need xrn and xarchie for the HP's (9000/730, version 8 OS), either in +the source form or, (preferably) in executable form. Please suggest +where I can find this, + Send e-mail to: rao@cse.uta.edu +Thanks in advance, +Rao. +-- +SSC +";12;True +"From: habs@panix.com (Harry Shapiro) +Subject: Re: The source of that announcement +Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC +Lines: 27 + +In marc@mit.edu (Marc Horowitz +N1NZU) writes: + +>I received mail from Mitch Kapor saying that he did not ask to be on +>the list, and does not know why he was added. I'm sure the same +>applies to others on the list. So, I guess my initial theory was +>right, that the clipper list was just someone's idea of a bad joke. I +>guess I should be happy it wasn't a conspiracy. + +I have also been in contact with Mitch about this. I believe +him when he says he didn't ask to be on the ""clipper"" list. + +He also forwarded the traffic he had recieved through that list to +me which will be placed at some ftp site. + +However, the first alias on the ""clipper list"" was csspab which was +another mailing list. It basically contained the addresses for +staffers and board members of the NIST security board. Several of +these people had their accounts within the dockmaster domain. + +These are the people we might wish to FOIA... + +/harry +-- +Harry Shapiro habs@panix.com +List Administrator of the Extropy Institute Mailing List +Private Communication for the Extropian Community since 1991 +";16;True +"From: manes@magpie.linknet.com (Steve Manes) +Subject: Re: Gun Control (was Re: We're Mad as Hell at the TV News) +Organization: Manes and Associates, NYC +Distribution: na +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] +Lines: 44 + +Jim De Arras (jmd@cube.handheld.com) wrote: +: In article manes@magpie.linknet.com (Steve +: Manes) writes: +: [...] +: > I don't know how anyone can state that gun control could have NO +: > effect on homicide rates. There were over 250 >accidental< handgun +: > homicides in America in 1990, most with licensed weapons. More +: > American children accidentally shot other children last year (15) +: > than all the handgun homicides in Great Britain. (Source: National +: > Safety Council. Please... no dictionary arguments about RATES vs +: > TOTAL NUMBERS, okay? They're offered for emphasis, not comparison). +: > + +: You're a great debater. You chose your sources of information, claim them +: to be superior, + +I've made no such claim. Please direct my attention towards any +posting of mine where I claimed superior sources of information. +It's probably because I bothered to post any references at all while +others seem content to post numbers pulled from the ozone, that +you've confused it with fact-twisting. If so, I apologize. + +: then take those twisted numbers and twist them further by trying + +Well then, here's fair opportunity for you to prove that I've ""twisted +numbers."" On what grounds do you contradict those references? Do you have +any citations... any sources of your own that I can take similar +gratuitous shots at? + +: to compare absolute numbers between two countries that have major population +: differences, the USA and GB, and then whine that you are afraid someone might +: attack your process, and so claim the numbers are for ""emphasis, not +: comparison""? Emphasis of what? + +Nitpicking and scolding is a whiney debating style, Jim. + +: Anything else is blowing smoke. + +You seddit, brudda. + +-- +Stephen Manes manes@magpie.linknet.com +Manes and Associates New York, NY, USA =o&>o + +";3;True +"From: bodom@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Brian Odom) +Subject: Re: New Uniforms +Article-I.D.: usenet.C51vwC.Lru +Organization: Indiana University +Lines: 37 +Nntp-Posting-Host: silver.ucs.indiana.edu + +In <1993Apr5.224631.636@Virginia.EDU> tek2q@Virginia.EDU (""Todd Karlin"") writes: + +> Usually one or two teams changes their logo or a minor +>uniform change per season, but the past few seasons have been +>incredible. +> Any thoughts on the new (old) Reds uniforms. I +>remember seeing a Pete Rose rookie card, and unless I miss my +>guess he was wearing the exact same duds. +> The Mets (HOW ABOUT DOC'S PERFORMANCE TODAY?!!!!!) have +>reinserted the Mets patch on the shoulder, and changed the Mets +>insgnia on the front of the jersey. To my knowledge it is the +>first time that has been changed since 1962, and it reminds me +>a little of the Dodger logo. + +As far as I know, Toronto, Pittsburgh, and New York (NL) change their +uniforms every year. Every other year (e.g., New York), it will say Mets +in cursive, New York in cursive, or New York in all caps. Minor changes, +but they do change them often. Last year, I think they had New York in all +caps. Did Toronto have Blue Jays or Toronto last year? What about +Pittsburgh? + +> Many teams have opted for a return to a previous style +>of uniform, or at least uniforms that look more traditional. +>(Phillies, Reds, Expos, White Sox, Padres, etc.) and the once +>bright colors have been altered to gray. The trend has also +>seen the newer baseball fields resembling the parks of the +>early years, as opposed to the cookie-cutter saucer stadiums +>construcrted throughout the sixties. + +I hate the gray. They should opt for more color (like the White Sox). +I hate white team versus gray team. Spring training uniforms look much +better. + +> With salaries now reaching unbelievable highs, no one +>in the comissioner's office, and inter-league play on the +>horizon, it's nice to see that baseball at least looks like it +>was meant to be. +";14;True +"From: willis@oracle.SCG.HAC.COM (Stan Willis) +Subject: Kings playoff notes: Stauber, TV ratings, etc. +Reply-To: willis@empire.dnet.hac.com (Stan Willis) +Organization: none +Lines: 112 + +1992-93 Los Angeles Kings notes. +-------------------------------- +Playoffs: +--------- +*Stauber disturbed by third-man theme +by Rick Sadowski, Daily News + +Barry Melrose's decision to stick Robb Stauber in the stands rather than in the +crease or even on the bench for the Stanley Cup playoffs does not sit well with +the rookie goaltender. + +""I want to be a part of the team at the most crucial time of the year, the most +fun time of the year, and I'm not,"" Stauber said with some emotion Monday. ""I +think I have worked hard enough for that."" + +Stauber said he accepts Melrose's choice of Kelly Hrudey as the teams top goalie +in their playoff series with the Calgary Flames. Hrudey made 21 saves in Sundays +6-3 opening victory. + +But Stauber clearly is upset with his sudden status as the No. 3 man behind Rick +Knickle. Stauber had a 4-1-2 record and 2.98 goals-against average down the +stretch in the regular season and nearly wrestled the No. 1 job from Hrudey. + +Knickle? He won 2 of 3 decisions but had a bloated 5.26 average, twice was +yanked from games (once for stomach cramps) and hasn't played since March 29. + +Yet, when the series resumes Wednesday, Knickle will serve as Hrudey's backup +again and Stauber will have to satisfy his playoff hunger by munching on Olympic +Saddledome popcorn. + +""If I'm supposedly close to being the starter or could have been the starter...I +dropped too. 3. What happened to No. 2?"" Stauber wondered. ""Not that I'd be +happy with No. 2, but I feel I should at least be a part of this team in the +playoffs."" + +Perhaps Stauber eventually will get his chance, but Melrose apparently is not +convinced the 25-year old is capable of handling playoff pressure. + +While insisting he is the Kings' ""goalie of the future,"" Melrose said Stauber +flubbed all four of the big games he was asked to win this season. They were, +according to Melrose: a 7-2 loss to San Jose on Dec. 26; An 8-3 loss to the New +York Rangers on Jan. 23; a 6-6 tie with Detroit on Feb. 11; an 8-6 loss to +Vancouver on Thursday. + +""Four times this season Robb could have emerged as the elite goalie, he could +have taken it away from Kelly Hrudey, and he didn't do it,"" Melrose said. ""An +elite goaltender has to carry the ball when you give it to him. The mark of a +great goalie is that he isn't satisfied to be a backup."" + +""I'm not blaming Robb for the losses, but if you're going to be No. 1, you've +got to be able to walk your talk. You've got to be able to play when everything +is on the line. Robb Stauber has a great deal of ability, but maybe I expect +more from him than he does."" + +Ouch. That remark stung Stauber. He began the season 9-0-1, struggled when the +team hit a mid-season slump, didn't play for a month after Knickle was signed +off the San Diego Gulls roster, then came on at the end. + +""I expect more from myself than anybody, including Barry Melrose,"" said Stauber, +a three-year star at the University of Minnesota who left school in 1989, only +to have his development hampered by a string of serious injuries. + +""What I've been through the last four years - two knee operations, a herniated +disk in my back, shoulder surgery - what more can I go through? I obviously do +expect a lot from myself, otherwise I wouldn't be here."" + +""Anybody who would disagree with that doesn't know me. I'm not saying Barry +doesn't know me, but don't say I've been without expectations. If anything, I'm +a perfectionist."" + +Stauber acknowledged he played poorly in the four games Melrose mentioned. ""But +even though I didn't play well, I get knocked down from maybe on to three? It's +a bit of a jump,"" he said. ""You're almost No. 1, or if you play a good game +you're No. 1 and if you don't you're No. 3? Why does Jack Nicklaus shoot a 67 +and then a 75? Can you explain that? That's what barry wanted me to explain +to him, why I didn't come through when he counted on me. I don't know. What I +do know is, it's a sport. I'll be there."" + +Melrose's ""goalie of the future"" statement doesn't mean much to Stauber. ""Before +you know it, I'll be 30 and there will be no future,"" he said. + +------ + +*Game 1 of the Kings @ Flames playoff series drew a 4.2 Nielsen rating on ABC +Channel 7 here in LA. The Kings averaged a 2.1 Nielsen rating in the 10 regular +season games aired on Channel 5. + +Around the NHL: +--------------- +*San Jose fired Coach George Kingston, who lead the team to a 11-71-2 mark in +their 2nd NHL season. Kingston was 28-129-7 over the past 2 years with the +Sharks. + +------ + +*Former Islander executive Bill Torrey was named as President of the expansion +Florida Panthers. Bobby Clarke was named as the clubs General Manager. + +*Last nights games: +------------------- +WIN 2 @ VAN 4 (VAN leads 1-0) +TOR 3 @ DET 6 (DET leads 1-0) + +=============================================================================== +Stan Willis (willis@empire.dnet.hac.com) +net contact: L.A. Kings + + >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> + talk with the L.A. Kings Mailing List ...... kings@cs.stanford.edu + to subscribe or unsubscribe: ....... kings-request@cs.stanford.edu + <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< +=============================================================================== +";13;True +"From: suwanto@iastate.edu (zapper) +Subject: Re: 2SC1096, 2SA634 specs? +Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA +Lines: 35 + +>Could some kind soul post me the max power/voltage/current ratings of +>2SC1096 and 2SA634 transistors, their conductance types and pinouts. +>They are used in the sweep portion of a TV set. + +2SC1096 + Maximum Ratings: + VCBO = 40V + VCEO = 30V + IC = 3A + PC = 10W (T=25C) + + ICBO max = 1uA + VCB = 30V + COB = 55pF + + at Q-point VCE=5, IC=1A --> hfe = 100 + +2SA634 + Maximum Ratings: + VCBO = -40V + VCEO = -30V + IC = -3A + PC = 10W (T=25C) + + ICBO max = -1uA + VCB = -30V + COB = 75pF + + at Q-point VCE = -5V, IC = -1A --> hfe = 100 + +That's all i can get from my data book, hope that helps. + +suwanto@iastate.edu + + +";11;True +"From: dtate+@pitt.edu (David M. Tate) +Subject: Re: Notes on Jays vs. Indians Series +Distribution: na +Organization: Department of Industrial Engineering +Lines: 34 + +Substituting irony for brains, (Bruce Klopfenstein) said: + +>dtate+@pitt.edu (David M. Tate) writes: + +>> Of *course* they left RBIs off; we're comparing Alomar the individual with +>> Baerga the individual, so only individual stats count. + +>I forgot. Most runs are scored by players stealing home, so RBI don't +>count for anything. + +Uh, right. You also forgot that you can't get an RBI (barring a HR) with +nobody on base. What fraction of all runs come on solo HR? + +Most runs are scored because there happened to be players on base when the +batter did something good. I use the phrase ""happened to be"" advisedly. +Lots of people have tried to figure out who the players are who have the +most ability to ""turn it up a notch"" in clutch/RBI/whatever situations, and +what they've found is that there is no evidence that *anyone* has such an +ability to any measurable extent. There are no clutch hitters. People who +tend to do things that *would* cause an RBI if there were somebody on base +end up getting RBIs proportional to how many of their teammates obliged by +being in position. + +>My mistake. + +I agree. + + + +-- + David M. Tate (dtate+@pitt.edu) | Greetings, sir, with bat not quick + member IIE, ORSA, TIMS, SABR | Hands not soft, eye not discerning + | And in Denver they call you a slugger? + ""The Big Catullus"" Galarraga | And compare you to my own Mattingly!? +";14;True +"From: bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver) +Subject: Re: DID HE REALLY RISE??? +Organization: Microsoft Corp. +Distribution: usa +Lines: 85 + + +/(emery) +/The one single historic event that has had the biggest impact on the +/world over the centuries is the resurrection of Jesus. + +This is hardly possible, as the majority of people in the world were +born, lived their life, and died, without ever knowing anything about +Christ. The majority of the rest of the world have decided that he +is not who Emery thinks he is. + + + +/(emery) +/Why were the writers of the New Testament documents so convinced that +/Jesus really did rise from the dead? +/We have four gospel accounts. + +I am leaving out all ""proofs"" of Emery's which rely on quoting the +bible as proof. Circular reasoning, etc. There have been occasions +already stated many times for later generations of Xtians to change, +edit, or otherwise alter the bible to fit their political gospel. +And if we accept the bible as true just because the bible says it +is true, then (to be fair) we have to do the same to the Bhagavad-Gita +and the Koran, both of which contradict the bible. + +Enough said. + + + +/(emery) +/Yet we have no reason to believe these disciples to be immoral and dishonest. +/We have no historic information that would lead us to the conclusion that +/these people were not God-fearing people who sincerely and whole-heartedly +/believed that the resurrection of their Lord Jesus was a real event. +/And for what gain would they lie? To make a stand at that time meant +/persecution, imprisonment, and perhaps even death. + +Again, this is only the biblical account and there is no independent proof +of any of this happening. It just isn't there. + +Besides, simply being sincere or willing to die for your faith does not +make your faith correct. There are Muslims dying in Bosnia right now; +does the fact that they are willing to die for Islam mean that Islam is +the correct religion? + + + + +(emery) +/History bears out the persecution of Christians. Roman historian, Cornelius +/Tacitus, Govenor of Asia, in A.D. 112, writing of Nero's reign, alluded to +/the torture of Christians in Rome: + + +All you have proven is that these people were tortured for their faith. That +does not prove that their faith is true or correct; it just means that they +were sincere in their beliefs. + +Being willing to die for what you believe doesn't make your belief the truth. +It's not that easy. And minority religions have always suffered torture; +Muslims suffer torture and harassment in India and Bosnia today. All religions +are harassed in China today. You haven't proven anything so far. + + + +/(emery) +/With all the suffering and persecution that it meant to be a believer, it +/would be quite probable that at least one of those in the supposed conspiracy +/would come forward and confess that the whole thing was a big hoax. + +Not if they didn't believe that it was a hoax. + + +/(emery) +/Yet not one did. It seems rather reasonable that the disciples did not make +/up the resurrection but sincerely believed that Jesus had actually risen +/from the dead; especially in light of the sufferings that came upon those +/who believed. + +The followers of Muhammad firmly believed in the miracles that the Koran +says Muhammad performed. They were attacked and slaughtered for their +beliefs. They didn't denounce Muhammad or Islam. If you are correct, +then that means Islam is the true faith. + +You see how stupid your proofs are? +";19;True +"From: nelson@seahunt.imat.com (Michael Nelson) +Subject: Re: extraordinary footpeg engineering +Nntp-Posting-Host: seahunt.imat.com +Organization: SeaHunt, San Francisco CA +Lines: 18 + +In article <1qt19d$2fj@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck) writes: +>exb0405@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au wrote: +> +>Let me guess. You were making a left turn, correct? The edge of the stud +>contacting the road caused it to turn and unthread itself. If you had +>been making a right turn it would have tightened the stud. + + Bzzzt! Thanks for playing. If he'd been making a right + turn, the sucker would have been a couple feet off the + ground. + + Michael + +-- ++-------------------------------------------------------------+ +| Michael Nelson 1993 CBR900RR | +| Internet: nelson@seahunt.imat.com Dod #0735 | ++-------------------------------------------------------------+ +";7;True +"From: jtchern@ocf.berkeley.edu (Joseph Hernandez) +Subject: MLB Standings and Scores for Tue, Apr 6th, 1993 +Keywords: mlb, 04.06 +Article-I.D.: agate.1ps77v$5dr +Distribution: world +Organization: JTC Enterprises Sports Division (Major League Baseball Dept.) +Lines: 72 +NNTP-Posting-Host: monsoon.berkeley.edu + + + MLB Standings and Scores for Tuesday, April 6th, 1993 + (including yesterday's games) + +NATIONAL WEST Won Lost Pct. GB Last 10 Streak Home Road +Atlanta Braves 01 00 1.000 -- 1-0 Won 1 00-00 01-00 +Cincinnati Reds 01 00 1.000 -- 1-0 Won 1 01-00 00-00 +San Diego Padres 00 00 .000 0.5 0-0 --- 00-00 00-00 +San Francisco Giants 00 00 .000 0.5 0-0 --- 00-00 00-00 +Colorado Rockies 00 01 .000 1.0 0-1 Lost 1 00-00 00-01 +Houston Astros 00 01 .000 1.0 0-1 Lost 1 00-01 00-00 +Los Angeles Dodgers 00 01 .000 1.0 0-1 Lost 1 00-00 00-01 + +NATIONAL EAST +Florida Marlins 01 00 1.000 -- 1-0 Won 1 01-00 00-00 +New York Mets 01 00 1.000 -- 1-0 Won 1 01-00 00-00 +Philadelphia Phillies 01 00 1.000 -- 1-0 Won 1 00-00 01-00 +Pittsburgh Pirates 00 00 .000 0.5 0-0 --- 00-00 00-00 +St. Louis Cardinals 00 00 .000 0.5 0-0 --- 00-00 00-00 +Chicago Cubs 00 01 .000 1.0 0-1 Lost 1 00-01 00-00 +Montreal Expos 00 01 .000 1.0 0-1 Lost 1 00-00 00-01 + + +AMERICAN WEST Won Lost Pct. GB Last 10 Streak Home Road +Oakland Athletics 01 00 1.000 -- 1-0 Won 1 01-00 00-00 +Texas Rangers 01 00 1.000 -- 1-0 Won 1 00-00 01-00 +California Angels 00 00 .000 0.5 0-0 --- 00-00 00-00 +Chicago White Sox 00 00 .000 0.5 0-0 --- 00-00 00-00 +Minnesota Twins 00 00 .000 0.5 0-0 --- 00-00 00-00 +Seattle Mariners 00 00 .000 0.5 0-0 --- 00-00 00-00 +Kansas City Royals 00 01 .000 1.0 0-1 Lost 1 00-01 00-00 + +AMERICAN EAST +Boston Red Sox 01 00 1.000 -- 1-0 Won 1 00-00 01-00 +New York Yankees 01 00 1.000 -- 1-0 Won 1 00-00 01-00 +Milwaukee Brewers 00 00 .000 0.5 0-0 --- 00-00 00-00 +Toronto Blue Jays 00 00 .000 0.5 0-0 --- 00-00 00-00 +Baltimore Orioles 00 01 .000 1.0 0-1 Lost 1 00-01 00-00 +Cleveland Indians 00 01 .000 1.0 0-1 Lost 1 00-01 00-00 +Detroit Tigers 00 01 .000 1.0 0-1 Lost 1 00-00 00-01 + + + YESTERDAY'S SCORES + +NATIONAL LEAGUE AMERICAN LEAGUE + +Montreal 1 New York 9 +Cincinnati 2 Cleveland 1 + +Atlanta 1 Texas 7 +Chicago 0 Baltimore 4 + +Los Angeles 3 Boston 3 +Florida 6 Kansas City 1 + +Philadelphia 3 Detroit 4 +Houston 1 Oakland 9 + +Colorado 0 California IDLE +New York 3 Chicago IDLE + +Pittsburgh IDLE Milwaukee IDLE +St. Louis IDLE Minnesota IDLE + +San Diego IDLE Seattle IDLE +San FranciscoIDLE Toronto IDLE +-- +------------------------------------------------------------------------------- +Joseph Hernandez | RAMS | | /.\ ******* _|_|_ / | LAKERS +jtchern@ocf.Berkeley.EDU | KINGS | |__ | | DODGERS _|_|_ | | RAIDERS +jtcent@soda.Berkeley.EDU | ANGELS |____||_|_| ******* | | |___| CLIPPERS +------------------------------------------------------------------------------- +";14;True +"From: ravi@merlin.dev.cdx.mot.com (Ravi Puvvala) +Subject: $13,500 Mazda 626 DX (with Air, AM/FM) Good Deal? +Nntp-Posting-Host: elvis.dev.cdx.mot.com +Reply-To: ravi@merlin.dev.cdx.mot.com (Ravi Puvvala) +Organization: Motorola Codex +Lines: 12 + +Hi Netters + I want to know if 13500 (w/o tax) is a good deal for 1993 Mazda 626 DX +How is the performance review so far on Mazda 626. Is it a good buy? +Please reply to me as I don't read this group often. + +Thanks In advance +Ravi +-- +Ravi Kiran Puvvala | ""The purpose of education is not merely, +ravi@merlin.dev.cdx.mot.com | the assimilation of facts but blow all +Motorola Codex, Boston MA | the money"" - Ravi Puvvala +---------------------------------------------------------------------------- +";10;True +"From: bks2@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (bryan.k.strouse) +Subject: NHL RESULTS FOR GAMES PLAYED 4-14-93 +Organization: AT&T +Keywords: wednesday night's boxscores +Lines: 138 + + + +NHL RESULTS FOR GAMES PLAYED 4/14/93. + +-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- + STANDINGS + PATRICK ADAMS NORRIS SMYTHE + TM W L T PT TM W L T PT TM W L T PT TM W L T PT + +xPIT 56 21 7 119 xBOS 51 26 7 109 xCHI 46 25 12 104 xVAN 45 29 9 99 +yWAS 42 34 7 91 yQUE 47 27 10 104 yDET 46 28 9 101 yCAL 42 30 11 95 +yNJ 40 36 7 87 yMON 48 30 6 102 yTOR 44 28 11 99 yLA 39 34 10 88 +yNYI 39 37 7 85 yBUF 38 35 10 86 STL 36 36 11 83 yWIN 39 37 7 85 + PHL 34 37 11 79 HAR 26 51 6 58 MIN 36 37 10 82 EDM 26 49 8 60 + NYR 34 38 11 79 OTT 10 70 4 24 TB 23 53 7 53 SJ 11 70 2 24 + +x - Clinched Division Title +y - Clinched Playoff Berth + +-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- + +Boston Bruins (51-26-7) 2 2 0 - 4 +Ottawa Senators (10-70-4) 0 1 1 - 2 + +1st period: BOS, Roberts 5 - (Juneau) 7:19 + BOS, Wiemer 1 - (Juneau, Oates) 17:47 + +2nd period: BOS, Neely 11 - (Juneau, Murphy) 6:10 + BOS, Hughes 5 - (Richer, Kimble) 7:55 + OTT, Archibald 9 - (Rumble, Lamb) 11:37 + +3rd period: OTT, Boschman 9 - (Kudelski) 5:10 + +Powerplay Opportunities-Bruins 0 of 2 + Senators 0 of 4 + +Shots on Goal- Bruins 13 11 10 - 34 + Senators 5 9 12 - 26 + +Boston Bruins--Moog (36-14-3) (8 shots - 8 saves) Blue (9:38 second) + (18 shots - 16 saves) +Ottawa Senators--Sidorkiewicz (8-46-3) (27 shots - 23 saves) Berthiaume + (6:36 third) (7 shots - 7 saves) + +ATT-10,500 + +-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- + +Washington Capitals (42-34-7) 0 0 2 - 2 +New York Rangers (34-38-11) 0 0 0 - 0 + +1st period: NONE + +2nd period: NONE + +3rd period: WAS, Bondra 36 - (Pivonka, Cavallini) 6:54 + WAS, Bondra 37 - (Cote, Pivonka) 10:10 + +Powerplay Opportunities-Capitals 0 of 2 + Rangers 0 of 1 + +Shots on Goal- Capitals 16 11 12 - 39 + Rangers 8 7 8 - 23 + +Washington Capitals--Tabaracci (7-11-0) (23 shots - 23 saves) +New York Rangers--Richter (13-17-3) (39 shots - 37 saves) + +ATT-17,897 + +-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- + +New York Islanders (39-37-7) 2 1 1 0 - 4 +Hartford Whalers (26-51-6) 2 1 1 1 - 5 + +1st period: NYI, Ferraro 13 - (Malakhov, King) 1:29 + NYI, Hogue 32 - (Thomas, Turgeon) 1:57 + HAR, Yake 21 - (Poulin) 4:15 + HAR, Yake 22 - (Nylander, Poulin) 16:44 + +2nd period: HAR, Verbeek 39 - (Cassels, Weinrich) (pp) 2:43 + NYI, Thomas 35 - (King, Ferraro) 7:58 + +3rd period: HAR, Burt 5 - (Sanderson, Cassels) 13:41 + NYI, Malakhov 14 - (Hogue) 17:45 + +Overtime: HAR, Janssens 12 - (Poulin) 1:08 + +Powerplay Opportunities-Islanders 0 of 3 + Whalers 1 of 3 + +Shots on Goal- Islanders 16 8 7 1 - 32 + Whalers 7 13 7 1 - 28 + +New York Islanders--Fitzpatrick (16-15-5) (28 shots - 23 saves) +Hartford Whalers--Lenaduzzi (1-0-1) (32 shots - 28 saves) + +ATT-10,915 + +-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- + +Pittsburgh Penguins (56-21-7) 2 3 1 0 - 6 +New Jersey Devils (40-36-7) 2 4 0 0 - 6 + +1st period: PIT, Daniels 5 - (Needham, Tippett) 4:14 + NJD, C.Lemieux 29 - (Semak, Driver) 10:19 + PIT, K.Stevens 55 - (Tocchet, Murphy) (pp) 12:40 + NJD, Zelepukin 22 - (Driver, Niedermayer) 17:26 + +2nd period: PIT, M.Lemieux 68 - (Stevens, Tocchet) 1:42 + NJD, Semak 36 - (C.Lemieux, Zelepukin) 2:27 + PIT, McEachern 28 - (Jagr, Barrasso) 4:24 + NJD, S.Stevens 12 - (Guerin, Pellerin) 5:45 + PIT, M.Lemieux 69 - (sh) 12:40 + NJD, Richer 37 - (Nicholls) 15:53 + NJD, C.Lemieux 30 - (Semak, Zelepukin) 17:40 + +3rd period: PIT, Mullen 33 - (Jagr, M.Lemieux) 18:54 + +Overtime: NONE + +Powerplay Opportunities-Penguins 1 of 5 + Devils 0 of 3 + +Shots on Goal- Penguins 9 11 8 2 - 30 + Devils 12 15 9 3 - 39 + +Pittsburgh Penguins--Barrasso (43-14-5) (39 shots - 33 saves) +New Jersey Devils--Billington (21-14-4) (30 shots - 24 saves) + +ATT-14,796 + +-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- + + +\|||||/ +-SPIKE- + + +";13;True +"From: arc@cco.caltech.edu (Aaron Ray Clements) +Subject: Re: HR 1276 (""A gun law I can live with!"" :-) +Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena +Lines: 27 +Distribution: usa +NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu + +cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes: + +>In article <1993Apr15.171601.25930@dg-rtp.dg.com>, meyers@leonardo.rtp.dg.com (Bill Meyers) writes: + +>> A BILL +>> +>> To establish the right to obtain firearms for security, and +>> to use firearms in defense of self, family, or home, and +>> to provide for the enforcement of such right. + +>Maybe I'm too ""religious,"" but when I see a bill to ""establish a right,"" +>I wince. Keep in mind, what the law giveth, the law can taketh away. +>-- + +>cdt@rocket.sw.stratus.com --If you believe that I speak for my company, +>OR cdt@vos.stratus.com write today for my special Investors' Packet... + +I don't think your objection is beyond the bounds of rationality. The +right mentioned in the bill is already established under the Second +Amendment; the bill should be reworded to reaffirm the Second Amendment +RKBA, and then establish the procedures for redress through the federal +court system. + +The right already exists and is already embodied in our Constitution. + +aaron +arc@cco.caltech.edu +";3;True +"From: MLINDROOS@FINABO.ABO.FI (Marcus Lindroos INF) +Subject: Re: Too Many Europeans in NHL +In-Reply-To: rauser@fraser.sfu.ca's message of Tue, 6 Apr 1993 02:16:48 GMT +Organization: Abo Akademi University, Finland +X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24 +Lines: 53 + +In rauser@fraser.sfu.ca writes: + +> +> +> Ten years ago, the number of Europeans in the NHL was roughly a quarter +> of what it is now. Going into the 1992/93 season, the numbers of Euros on +> NHL teams have escalated to the following stats: +> +> Canadians: 400 +> Americans: 100 +> Europeans: 100 +> +> Please note that these numbers are rounded off, and taken from the top +> 25 players on each of the 24 teams. My source is the Vancouver Sun. +> +> Here's the point: there are far too many Europeans in the NHL. I am sick +> of watching a game between an American and a Canadian team (let's say, the +> Red Wings and the Canucks) and seeing names like ""Bure"" ""Konstantinov"" and +> ""Borshevshky"". Is this North America or isn't it? Toronto, Detriot, Quebec, +> and Edmonton are particularly annoying, but the numbers of Euros on other +> teams is getting worse as well. + +That's why we have expansion - to create more jobs. NHL teams can't afford to +import role players from Europe, they pick the stars but will continue to build +their teams around local players. +> +> With the numbers of Euros in the NHL escalating, the problem is clearly +> only getting worse. +> +> I'm all for the creation of a European Hockey League, and let the Bures +> and Selannes of the world play on their own continent. + +I'd *LOVE* to see a European NHL division but can't see it happen for some +time. There's simply not enough fan interest at the moment in several +""crucial"" markets like Germany, Italy and France while Sweden and Finland +probably can't afford to shell out $20-$30 for tickets the way +American/Canadian fans do. Call it ""the Minnesota North Stars"" effect: +Scandinavians do love hockey but we prefer to watch local, inexpensive +hockey to the NHL. The National Hockey League should love the idea, though. +Pan-European TV channels such as Eurosport could bring in the millions the +American networks likely never will pay. + +> I just don't want them on mine. +> +> +> +> +> -- +> Richard J. Rauser ""You have no idea what you're doing."" +> rauser@sfu.ca ""Oh, don't worry about that. We're professional +> WNI outlaws - we do this for a living."" +> ----------------- +> ""Remember, no matter where you go, there you are."" -Dr.Banzai +";13;True +"From: sbishop@desire.wright.edu +Subject: Re: Hismanal, et. al.--side effects +Organization: Wright State University +Lines: 22 + +In article <1993Apr21.024103.29880@spdcc.com>, dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes: +> In article <1993Apr20.212706.820@lrc.edu> kjiv@lrc.edu writes: +>>Can someone tell me whether or not any of the following medications +>>has been linked to rapid/excessive weight gain and/or a distorted +>>sense of taste or smell: Hismanal; Azmacort (a topical steroid to +>>prevent asthma); Vancenase. +> +> Hismanal (astemizole) is most definitely linked to weight gain. +> It really is peculiar that some antihistamines have this effect, +> and even more so an antihistamine like astemizole which purportedly +> doesn't cross the blood-brain barrier and so tends not to cause +> drowsiness. + +It also gave me lots of problems with joint and muscle pain. Seemed to +trigger arthritis-like problems. + +Sue + +> +> -- +> Steve Dyer +> dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer +";4;True +"From: georgec@eng.umd.edu (George B. Clark) +Subject: Re: chronic sinus and antibiotics +Organization: University of Maryland +Lines: 4 +Distribution: na +NNTP-Posting-Host: athens.eng.umd.edu +Keywords: sinus, antibiotics, antibacterial + +You can also swab the inside of your nose with Bacitracin using a +Q tip. Bacitracin is an antibiotic that can be bought OTC as an +ointment in a tube. The doctor I listen to on the radio says to apply +it for 30 days, while you are taking other antibiotics by mouth. +";4;True +"From: doyle+@pitt.edu (Howard R Doyle) +Subject: Re: Hernia +Organization: Pittsburgh TRansplant Institute +Lines: 41 + +In article sheffner@encore.com (Steve Heffner) writes: +>A bit more than a year ago, a hernia in my right groin was +>discovered. It had produced a dull pain in that area. The hernia +>was repaired using the least intrusive (orthoscopic?) method and a +>""plug and patch"". + + + +I suspect you mean laparoscopic instead of orthoscopic. + + + +>Now the pain occurs more often. My GP couldn't identify any +>specific problem. The surgen who performed the original procedure +>now says that yes there is a ""new"" hernia in the same area and he +>said that he has to cut into the area for the repair this time. +> +>My question to the net: Is there a nonintrusive method to +>determine if in fact there is a hernia or if the pain is from +>something else? + + +By far the (still) best method to diagnose a hernia is old fashioned +physical examination. If you have an obvious hernia sac coming down +into your scrotum, or a bulge in your groin that is brought about by +increasing intra-abdominal pressure.... +Sometimes is not that obvious. The hernia is small and you can only +detect it by putting your finger into the inguinal canal. +Whether you have a recurrent hernia, or this is related to the previous +operation, I can't tell you. The person that examined you is in the best +position to make that determination. + +Are there non-invasive ways of diagnosing a hernia? Every now and then +folks write about CT scans and ultrasounds for this. But these are far +too expensive, and unlikely to be better than a trained examining finger. + + +==================================== + +Howard Doyle +doyle+@pitt.edu +";4;True +"Subject: Fluids vs Liquids +From: mikec@sail.LABS.TEK.COM (Micheal Cranford) +Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton, OR. +Lines: 18 + +west@next02.wam.umd.edu (Brian West) writes: +[ deleted ] +>A similar analogy can be made with glass. For those of you who don't +>know, glass is a liquid (go ask your science teacher) and DOES flow. +[ deleted ] + + If your science teacher tells you glass is a liquid, try to get a different +science teacher B^). Glass is a supercooled fluid, it is not a liquid (except +at very high temperatures). The definition of liquid includes ""readily takes +the form of its container"". Let's try to be more accurate here. We don't want +people to think we're creationists now do we? + + + UUCP: uunet!tektronix!sail!mikec or M.Cranford + uunet!tektronix!sail.labs.tek.com!mikec Principal Troll + ARPA: mikec%sail.LABS.TEK.COM@RELAY.CS.NET Resident Skeptic + CSNet: mikec@sail.LABS.TEK.COM TekLabs, Tektronix + +";9;True +"From: reeds@alice.att.com (Jim Reeds) +Subject: Re: Patents (was RC2 RC4) +Summary: Pop patent law +Article-I.D.: alice.25313 +Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill NJ +Lines: 13 + +In article , matt@wardsgi.med.yale.edu (Matt Healy) writes: +and +> bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (Vesselin Bontchev) wrote: +and +> > ahaley@eoe.co.uk (Andrew Haley) writes: + +about Coca-Cola and Pepsi Cola and what they can teach us. + + +Surely, if we must use pop patent law examples to discuss RC2 and RC4, +it would make more sense to consider the case of RC Cola? + +Jim Reeds +";16;True +"From: 18084TM@msu.edu (Tom) +Subject: Golden & Space ages +X-Added: Forwarded by Space Digest +Organization: [via International Space University] +Original-Sender: isu@VACATION.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU +Distribution: sci +Lines: 17 + +Pat sez; +>Oddly, enough, The smithsonian calls the lindbergh years +>the golden age of flight. I would call it the granite years, +>reflecting the primitive nature of it. It was romantic, +>swashbuckling daredevils, ""those daring young men in their flying +>machines"". But in reality, it sucked. Death was a highly likely +>occurence, and the environment blew. + +Yeah, but a windscreen cut down most of it. Canopies ended it completely. + +Of course, the environment in space continues to suck :-) + +-Tommy Mac +------------------------------------------------------------------------- +Tom McWilliams 517-355-2178 wk \\ As the radius of vision increases, +18084tm@ibm.cl.msu.edu 336-9591 hm \\ the circumference of mystery grows. +------------------------------------------------------------------------- +";2;True +"From: perlman@qso.Colorado.EDU (Eric S. Perlman) +Subject: Re: Final Solution in Palestine ? +Nntp-Posting-Host: qso.colorado.edu +Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder +Lines: 50 + +In article <1993Apr25.171003.10694@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu> ahmeda@McRCIM.McGill.EDU (Ahmed Abu-Abed) writes: +> +>In article , hm@cs.brown.edu (Harry Mamaysky) writes: +>|> In article <1483500354@igc.apc.org> Center for Policy Research writes: +>|> +>|> Final Solution for the Gaza ghetto ? +>|> ------------------------------------ +>|> +>|> While Israeli Jews fete the uprising of the Warsaw ghetto, they +>|> repress by violent means the uprising of the Gaza ghetto and +>|> attempt to starve the Gazans. +>|> +>|> [...] +>|> +>|> The Jews in the Warsaw ghetto were fighting to keep themselves and +>|> their families from being sent to Nazi gas chambers. Groups like Hamas +>|> and the Islamic Jihad fight with the expressed purpose of driving all +>|> Jews into the sea. Perhaps, we should persuade Jewish people to help +> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +>|> these wnderful ""freedom fighters"" attain this ultimate goal. +>|> +>|> Maybe the ""freedom fighters"" will choose to spare the co-operative Jews. +>|> Is that what you are counting on, Elias - the pity of murderers. +>|> +>|> You say your mother was Jewish. How ashamed she must be of her son. I +>|> am sorry, Mrs. Davidsson. +>|> +>|> Harry. +> +>O.K., its my turn: +> +> DRIVING THE JEWS INTO THE SEA ?! +> +>I am sick and tired of this 'DRIVING THE JEWS INTO THE SEA' sentance attributed +>to Islamic movements and the PLO; it simply can't be proven as part of their +>plan ! + +This has been discussed before, by several people, on this net. The +statement is attributable either to Hajj Amin al-Husseini, former Grand +Mufti of Jerusalem - and the leader of the Palestinian death squads +during the 1948 war, or to one of his chief henchmen. + +It was not coined by B'nai B'rith or, for that matter, any Jewish +organization. + +-- +""How sad to see/A model of decorum and tranquillity/become like any other sport +A battleground for rival ideologies to slug it out with glee."" -Tim Rice,""Chess"" + Eric S. Perlman + Center for Astrophysics and Space Astronomy, University of Colorado, Boulder +";15;True +"From: dudek@daeron.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (Gregory Dudek) +Subject: Re: IIci -> Q700 upgrade? +Nntp-Posting-Host: daeron.mcrcim.mcgill.edu +Organization: McGill Research Centre for Intelligent Machines +Lines: 28 + +In article $LOGIN@austin.ibm.com writes: +> +>A while ago I posted a note asking for specs on the Quadra 700, and opinions on +>the Q700 upgrade of a IIci vs. an accelerator card. So far no responsed that +>I've noticed. Please let me know what you think of these possible upgrade +>paths: Cost, efficiency, pros/cons, etc.. Thanks! + + Complete Q700 are best obtained from your dealer or some recent +copy of MacWorld or MacUser. My foggy memory suggests that the most relevant +comparison factors vis-a-vis a IIci are as follows: + + 25 MHz 68040 + 16 Mhz data path (don't recall this for sure, but it's slower + than Q 950 style machines for sure). + Ethertalk card on-board + Audio in/out + 4 MB RAM on motherboard + 4 SIMM slots + 2 NuBus slots. + More flexible build-in video than the CI. Uses VRAM. + +In comparison, a IIci with an accelerator won't give you + audio or ethernet or the same video options. + With a 68040 accelerator, CPU performance can be comparable but I + think it ends up costing more. + +Greg Dudek +";0;True +"From: halat@pooh.bears (Jim Halat) +Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is +Reply-To: halat@pooh.bears (Jim Halat) +Lines: 14 + +In article <1qie61$fkt@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de>, frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes: + +>Objective morality is morality built from objective values. + + +And organized religion is a religion built from organized values. +And Ford Tempo is a Tempo built from Ford values. +And rational response is response built from rational values. +And unconditional surrender is surrender built from unconditional values. + ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ + uncle! + +bye +-jim halat +";19;True +"Nntp-Posting-Host: surt.ifi.uio.no +From: Thomas Parsli +Subject: Re: Change of name ?? +In-Reply-To: popovich@cs.columbia.edu (Steve Popovich)'s message of Wed, 21 + Apr 1993 01:54:51 GMT +Organization: Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo, Norway + <93864@hydra.gatech.EDU> + +Lines: 37 +Originator: thomasp@surt.ifi.uio.no + + +How we survived ww2: +We mailed postings about things we didn't know any thing about +to ONLY the wrong places. + +I'm NOT trying to censor this or any newsgroup, I'm just trying to +give some hints about OTHER newsgroups. +Doesn't this belong to alt.conspiracy ?? + +NOTE!!! +My posting was in reply to those about FBI torching the plasce after +filling it with napalm, and arrested people dissapering. + +>We all know what a quisling is, right? +Obviously we don't..... +Vidkun Quisling is known to be a traitor in Norway, not a 'censor'. +If I have betrayed my country (Norway) bescause I implied that som of +you jumped to conclusions/sound a little paranoid then I think there +is a LOT of quislings in Norway....... + + +About Waco +It looks to me as the BATF and FBI can't handle situations like this. +The way it went reminds me of 'stun' bomb beeing dropped on a house +in LA from a helicopter. (Whole block went up in flames, 5 died...) + +It doesn't HAVE to be a conspiracy, MAYBE they just screwed up ??? + + + + This is not a .signature. + It's merely a computergenerated text to waste bandwith + and to bring down the evil Internet. + + + Thomas Parsli + thomasp@ifi.uio.no +";3;True +"From: simon@cyklop.nada.kth.se (Simon Tardell) +Subject: Re: Sunrise/ sunset times +Nntp-Posting-Host: cyklop.nada.kth.se +Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden +Lines: 14 + +In <1993Apr21.141824.23536@cbis.ece.drexel.edu> jpw@cbis.ece.drexel.edu (Joseph Wetstein) writes: + +>Hello. I am looking for a program (or algorithm) that can be used +>to compute sunrise and sunset times. + +>I would appreciate any advice. + +I once thought it would be easiest fitting a sine to the times. But not. +This gave discrepancy of upto six minutes. If you fit a sine series +you'll get a very good fit after just three or four terms though. This +presumably has to do with the eccentricity of the Earths orbit. + +-- +Simon Tardell, Ff88, simon@nada.kth.se V}ga v{gra cgs! +";2;True +"From: ytwu@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Yih-Tyng Wu) +Subject: Help! How to test SIMMs? +Nntp-Posting-Host: top.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu +Organization: The Ohio State University +Lines: 10 + + +Hello, + I just got some SIMMs, at least one of which does not work. I don't know if +there is a software that can test SIMMs thoroughly or I could just rely on the +RAM test performed by my computer during the start up. When I installed a dead +SIMM into an LC or an LC II, there would be a strange music and no display on +the screen. Why? I need your help! Thanks in advance + +Yih-Tyng +ytwu@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu +";0;True +"From: rja@mahogany126.cray.com (Russ Anderson) +Subject: Re: Gore throws out the first ball. And media coverage of it +Originator: rja@mahogany126 +Lines: 37 +Nntp-Posting-Host: mahogany126 +Organization: The 1991 World Champion Minnesota Twins! +Distribution: usa + + +In article <1993Apr15.093957.1213@hsh.com>, paul@hsh.com (Paul Havemann) writes: +> In article <1993Apr13.122543.1682@hemlock.cray.com>, rja@mahogany126.cray.com (Russ Anderson) writes: +> > +> > In article , mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson) writes: +> >> This past Thursday VP GOre threw out the first ball at the home opener for +> >> the Atlanta Braves. According to the news reports he was quite loudly booed. +> >> (No, Dr. Norman, these were not your typical beer swilling red-necks.) +> >> +> >> Personally I wouldn't have paid any more attention to the incident except +> >> that the evening news when describing the event, went on to comment that +> >> being booed was nothing unusual since it was normal for audiences to +> >> boo at this point since the celebrity was delaying the start of the game. +> >> +> >> What a bunch of crock. I have never heard of any incident in which the +> >> thrower of the ceremonial ball has been booed before. +> > +> > Dan Quayle got roundly booed in Milwaulkee last year. (I was listening +> > on the radio). This was the game that Quayle told the Brewers players that +> > he would like to see them play the Orioles in the ALCS. +> +> It's come to this, has it? Defending Al Gore by comparing him to Dan Quayle? + +Who compared Quayle to Gore? Mark said he had never heard of any incident +in which the thrower of the ceremonial ball had been booed before. I mentioned +another incident. (And if the media had a liberal bias, I'm sure he would +have heard of the Quayle incident.) + +If I was to compare Quayle to anyone, it most likely would be Elmer Fudd. + +> I'd say that about says it all... back to the pit with ye, back to alt.fan. +> dan-quayle! Begone! + +-- +Russ Anderson | Disclaimer: Any statements are my own and do not reflect +------------------ upon my employer or anyone else. (c) 1993 +EX-Twins' Jack Morris, 10 innings pitched, 0 runs (World Series MVP!) +";18;True +"From: nataraja@rtsg.mot.com (Kumaravel Natarajan) +Subject: Re: water in trunk of 89 Probe?? +Nntp-Posting-Host: opal12 +Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group +Lines: 39 + +jlong@emcnext2.tamu.edu (James Long) writes: + +>In article <1r1crn$27g@transfer.stratus.com> tszeto@sneezy.ts.stratus.com +>(Tommy Szeto) writes: +>> Water gradually builds up in the trunk of my friend's 89 Ford Probe. Every +>> once in a while we would have to remove the spare and scoop out the water +>> under the plywood/carpet cover on the trunk. I would guess this usually +>happens +>> after a good thunder storm. A few Qs: +>> +>> 1) Is this a common problem? +>> 2) Where are the drain holes located for the hatch? + +>I noticed this is my '89 probe also, when recently cleaning out the back. I +>think the water is coming *up* through some rubber stoppered holes beneath the +>spare. Mine looked slightly worn, and there was no water or water damage above +>the level of the spare area. + +>This has taken a low priority since I just found out (while rotating my tires) +>that I have a torn CV boot - ugh!! + +I've got an 89 GT. It has the smoked taillight assembly. I think this is where +the water is getting in. When I first got it (had it for a month), one of the rear +taillights fogged up with moisture. I took it in to the dealer and they replaced +the entire assembly. It happened to the other one about 3 months later. This time +I happened to look in the spare tire well and noticed water standing in there. The +dealer was more reluctant this time to replace it. But I convinced them to +fix it. (They must have had to deal with a number of other probes with the same +problem.) I haven't noticed water in the taillamps (or the trunk) for the last 2.5 +years, but just last month, the taillamp just fogged up again. I'm going to try +to take it back to get them to fix it again. I'm real tempted to drill some vent +and drain holes in the tops and bottoms of the assembly and forget about it. This is +getting very annoying. (Almost every other `89 GT I've seen has had this problem.) + +Vel +-- +-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- +-- Vel Natarajan nataraja@rtsg.mot.com Motorola Cellular, Arlington Hts IL -- +-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- +";10;True +"From: szabo@techbook.com (Nick Szabo) +Subject: SSF Redesign: Constellation +Summary: decentralize & automate functions +Keywords: space station, constellation +Article-I.D.: techbook.C51z6E.CL1 +Organization: TECHbooks --- Public Access UNIX --- (503) 220-0636 +Lines: 89 + +SSF is up for redesign again. Let's do it right this +time! Let's step back and consider the functionality we want: + +[1] microgravity/vacuum process research +[2] life sciences research (adaptation to space) +[3] spacecraft maintenence + +The old NASA approach, explified by Shuttle and SSF so far, was to +centralize functionality. These projects failed to meet +their targets by a wide margin: the military and commercial users +took most of their payloads off Shuttle after wasting much effort to +tie their payloads to it, and SSF has crumbled into disorganization +and miscommunication. Over $50 billion has been spent on these +two projects with no reduction in launch costs and littel improvement +in commercial space industrialization. Meanwhile, military and commercial +users have come up with a superior strategy for space development: the +constellation. + +Firstly, different functions are broken down into different +constellations placed in the optimal orbit for each function: +thus we have the GPS/Navstar constellation in 12-hour orbits, +comsats in Clarke and Molniya orbits, etc. Secondly, the task +is distributed amongst several spacecraft in a constellation, +providing for redundancy and full coverage where needed. + +SSF's 3 main functions require quite different environments +and are also prime candidates for constellization. + +[1] We have the makings of a microgravity constellation now: +COMET and Mir for long-duration flights, Shuttle/Spacelab for +short-duration flights. The best strategy for this area is +inexpensive, incremental improvement: installation of U.S. facilities +on Mir, Shuttle/Mir linkup, and transition from Shuttle/Spacelab +to a much less expensive SSTO/Spacehab/COMET or SSTO/SIF/COMET. +We might also expand the research program to take advantage of +interesting space environments, eg the high-radiation Van Allen belt +or gas/plasma gradients in comet tails. The COMET system can +be much more easily retrofitted for these tasks, where a +station is too large to affordably launch beyond LEO. + +[2] We need to study life sciences not just in microgravity, +but also in lunar and Martian gravities, and in the radiation +environments of deep space instead of the protected shelter +of LEO. This is a very long-term, low-priority project, since +astronauts will have little practical use in the space program +until costs come down orders of magnitude. Furthermore, using +astronauts severely restricts the scope of the investigation, +and the sample size. So I propose LabRatSat, a constellation +tether-bolo satellites that test out various levels of gravity +in super-Van-Allen-Belt orbits that are representative of the +radiation environment encountered on Earth-Moon, Earth-Mars, +Earth-asteroid, etc. trips. The miniaturized life support +machinery might be operated real-time from earth thru a VR +interface. AFter several orbital missions have been flown, +follow-ons can act as LDEFs on the lunar and Martian surface, +testing out the actual environment at low cost before $billions +are spent on astronauts. + +[3] By far the largest market for spacecraft servicing is in +Clarke orbit. I propose a fleet of small teleoperated +robots and small test satellites on which ground engineers can +practice their skills. Once in place, robots can pry stuck +solar arrays and antennas, attach solar battery power packs, +inject fuel, etc. Once the fleet is working, it can be +spun off to commercial company(s) who can work with the comsat +companies to develop comsat replaceable module standards. + +By applying the successful constellation strategy, and getting +rid of the failed centralized strategy of STS and old SSF, we +have radically improved the capability of the program while +greatly cutting its cost. For a fraction of SSF's pricetag, +we can fix satellites where the satellites are, we can study +life's adaptation to a much large & more representative variety +of space environments, and we can do microgravity and vacuum +research inexpensively and, if needed, in special-purpose +orbits. + +N.B., we can apply the constellation strategy to space exploration +as well, greatly cutting its cost and increasing its functionality. +Mars Network and Artemis are two good examples of this; more ambitiously +we can set up a network of native propellant plants on Mars that can be used +to fuel planet-wide rover/ballistic hopper prospecting and +sample return. The descendants of LabRatSat's technology can +be used as a Mars surface LDEF and to test out closed-ecology +greenhouses on Mars at low cost. + + +-- +Nick Szabo szabo@techboook.com +";2;True +"From: hays@ssd.intel.com (Kirk Hays) +Subject: Re: ""Proper gun control?"" What is proper gun control? (was Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card) +Nntp-Posting-Host: taos +Organization: Intel Supercomputer Systems Division +Lines: 30 + +In article <15240077@iftccu.ca.boeing.com>, bressler@iftccu.ca.boeing.com (Rick Bressler) writes: +|> / iftccu:talk.politics.guns / hays@ssd.intel.com (Kirk Hays) / 3:31 pm Apr 13, 1993 / +|> +|> >Some of the pro-gun posters in this group own no guns. The dread +|> >""Terminator"", aka ""The Rifleman"", owned no firearms for several years +|> >while posting in this group, as an example. There are others. +|> +|> Good point, Kirk. +|> +|> He's still around too. He's responded by email to a couple of my posts, +|> and gosh darn, he's gotten down right civil! This happed about the time +|> he got his first firearm. Wonder if there is a relationship here? Turns +|> out that MOST people (at least the ones who are not criminals to start +|> with) act responsibility once given the chance. + +I'd like to point out that I was in error - ""Terminator"" began posting only +six months before he purchased his first firearm, according to private email +from him. + +I can't produce an archived posting of his earlier than January 1992, +and he purchased his first firearm in March 1992. + +I guess it only seemed like years. + +Back to your regularly scheduled flame fest. + +-- +Kirk Hays - NRA Life, seventh generation. +""The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to +do nothing."" -- Edmund Burke (1729-1797) +";3;True +"From: holthaus@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (James R. Holthaus) +Subject: Re: Fighting the Clipper Initiative +Organization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA +Lines: 43 + +prz@sage.cgd.ucar.edu (Philip Zimmermann) writes: + +Philip, +I think your ideas are well taken and constructive. Thanks for +articulating them in this forum. + +>2) Work the Press. Talk with your local newspaper's science and +>technology reporter. Write to your favorite trade rags. Better yet, +>write some articles yourself for your favorite magazines or +>newspapers. Explain why the Clipper chip initiative is a bad idea. +>Remember to tailor it to your audience. The general public may be +>slow to grasp why it's a bad idea, since it seems so technical and +>arcane and innocent sounding. Try not to come across as a flaming +>libertarian paranoid extremist, even if you are one. + +As a flaming libertarian paranoid extremist (:-), I'at a loss for +specific objections that don't sound frighteningly technical. Any +suggestions? Perhaps somebody could post a list of these? + +>5) Mobilize opposition in industry. Companies that will presumably +>develop products that will incorporate the Clipper chip should be +>lobbied against it, from within and from without. If you work for a +>telecommunications equipment vendor, first enlist the aid of your +>coworkers and fellow engineers against this initiative, and then +>present your company's management with a united front of engineering +>talent against this initiative. Write persuasive memos to your +>management, with your name and your colleagues' names on it. Hold +>meetings on it. + +One way to do this might be to suggest that these companies should be +implementing their own schemes, not being limited to the govt's +scheme. + +I find that most of my reasons for opposition to the CLipper scheme +are algoritm insecurity and mistrust of the govt/NSA. These are hard +to sell in letters to the editor and to nontechnical people. Any +hints or advice. Maybe a small FAQ-type thing ""Why should I Hate +Clipper"" would be a good idea. +-- +<><><><><><><><><><>James Holthaus james-holthaus@uiowa.edu<><><><><><><><><> +< Government is an association of men who do violence to the rest of us. > +< -- Leo Tolstoy > +<><><><><>PGP 2.2 Public key available on request or from key server<><><><><> +";16;True +"From: peirce@outpost.SF-Bay.org (Michael Peirce) +Subject: Re: Sales of PowerBook slowing down... +Reply-To: peirce@outpost.SF-Bay.org (Michael Peirce) +Organization: Peirce Software +Lines: 27 +X-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v2 + + +In article (comp.sys.mac.hardware), martin@tohi (Jean-francois Martin) writes: +> First, this is not an April 1 joke. +> +> A dealer in my town told me that the PowerBook don't sell as they use to sell. +> The guy told me that Apple is having the same problem it has when the desktop +> Mac was too expensive ; the PowerBook are too expensive in comparison to what +> you can get on the DOS side. What do you think of this? Do you feel the same +> thing about it? Just curious. + +Sounds about right. + +If there is high demand for a product there is little incentive to +aggresively cut prices. Once the demand fall off a bit, then is the +time to start getting aggressive with pricing. Waiting too long can +really hurt your business though :-) + +The PowerBooks have sold very well up to now, if they are slowing +down Apple needs to come out with some lower priced versions (the +only reason I own a PowerBook is that I could spring for a $900 PB100, +the rest of the lineup is way to pricey for me). I'd bet they'll +be coming out with more power versions too. + +-- Michael Peirce -- peirce@outpost.sf-bay.org +-- Peirce Software -- Suite 301, 719 Hibiscus Place +-- -- San Jose, California USA 95117 +-- Makers of: -- voice: (408) 244-6554 fax: (408) 244-6882 +-- Smoothie -- AppleLink: peirce & America Online: AFC Peirce +";0;True +"From: gloege@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Andreas Gloege) +Subject: OTTOMENU ... Where Can I Get it ? +Originator: gloege@hphalle0a.informatik.tu-muenchen.de +Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany +Lines: 22 + + + +I've heard about Ottomenu which should be a good desktop +on Windows 3.0/3.1 . +Can anybody tell me where I can get it ? +It should be on CICA in /pub/pc/win3/util but it is not. + +It is also not an WUSTL,SIMTEL and a great number of other +sites. + +Just post it or mail me. + +------------------------------------------------------------------------ + Andreas Gloege + Kazmaierstr.48 (bei Klarmann) + 8000 Muenchen 2 + 089/508336 + email : gloege@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE +------------------------------------------------------------------------ + + + +";6;True +"From: kurt@oddjob.uchicago.edu (Kurt Henriksen) +Subject: BRAKE ROTORS...CROSS DRILLING...312 702 8323 +Organization: University of Chicago, Astronomy and Astrophysics +Distribution: na +Lines: 1 + + +";10;True +"From: kpeterso@nyx.cs.du.edu (Kirk Peterson) +Subject: Brand new H.P. toner for sale, cheap! +Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept. +Lines: 30 + + +For Sale...: + + **BRAND NEW** Hewlett Packard toner cartridge + model number HP 92295A. + + + o I am selling this toner because I recently + bought a Brother HL-10V printer and the + toner that I am selling. I activated the + toner, but ended up returning the printer. + The store, however would not take back the + toner. This toner has been used to print + only three pages and is in perfect condition. + I will protect it for shipment so that no + toner escapes. It comes with all original + packaging and manuals. The toner is compatible + with ANY laser printer that uses the model + number of the toner I am selling; just look in + your manual to see if it will work for you. + I will not go below $60.00. I will pay the + shipping to anywhere in the continental + United States. + + If you are interested, leave me email or call Kirk +Peterson at (303) 494-7951 anytime. + + Thank you! + + +";8;True +"From: rj3s@Virginia.EDU (""Get thee to a nunnery....."") +Subject: Re: Israel's Expansion II +Organization: University of Virginia +Lines: 67 + +waldo@cybernet.cse.fau.edu writes: +> ab4z@Virginia.EDU (""Andi Beyer"") writes: +> +> > waldo@cybernet.cse.fau.edu writes: +> > > ab4z@Virginia.EDU (""Andi Beyer"") writes: +> > > +> > > > First of all I never said the Holocaust. I said before the +> > > > Holocaust. I'm not ignorant of the Holocaust and know more +> > > > about Nazi Germany than most people (maybe including you). +> > > +> > > Uh Oh! The first sign of an argument without merit--the stating of one's +> > > ""qualifications"" in an area. If you know something about Nazi Germany, +> > > show it. If you don't, shut up. Simple as that. +> > > +> > > > I don't think the suffering of some Jews during WWII +> > > > justifies the crimes commited by the Israeli government. Any +> > > > attempt to call Civil liberterians like myself anti-semetic is +> > > > not appreciated. +> > > +> > > ALL Jews suffered during WWII, not just our beloved who perished or were +> > > tortured. We ALL suffered. Second, the name-calling was directed against +> > > YOU, not civil-libertarians in general. Your name-dropping of a fancy +> > > sounding political term is yet another attempt to ""cite qualifications"" +> > > in order to obfuscate your glaring unpreparedness for this argument. Go +> > > back to the minors, junior. +> > All humans suffered emotionally, some Jews and many +> > others suffered physically. It is sad that people like you are +> > so blinded by emotions that they can't see the facts. Thanks +> > for calling me names, it only assures me of what kind of +> > ignorant people I am dealing with. I included your letter since +> > I thought it demonstrated my point more than anything I could +> > write. +> +> ----- +> When you're willing to actually support something you say with fact or +> argument rather than covering up your own inadequacies with feigned +> offense, let me know. Otherwise, back to your own league, son. + I have never seen such immaturity among semitophiles. This +Andi Beyer character shows no signs of anti semitism, yet +because he deviates from the norm of accepted opinion, you +attack him. Why did not anyone venture to answer Andi's +question in an intelligent and unoffending manner? The only +ones guilty here of not backing up there viewpoints with fact +are the Israelophiles. Now will we please start having some +INTELLIGENT conversation? You all are an insult to you race! +{assuming you are also semitic} + Now I have a comment concerning Israeli terrorism +during the 1930's and 1940's. The Hirgun, and other branch - +off militant groups, did fight the British do get them out of +Palestine. Yet I fail to see how this Israeli form of +terrorism was better than the terrorism practiced now by the +Arabs. These Jewish terrorist groups killed innocent British +soldiers, but not only thta also killed many Jews who were in +favor of a compromise with the Palestinians. In addition, they +massacred an entire Palestinian village in 1948, contributing +to the exodus of the frightened Palestinians who feared their +very lives. + I mention this not because I'm anti semitic [I'm part +Jewish] but because this self righteousness on the part of the +Israelites pisses me off so. I'm not as critical of the +Palestinians because they were indeed screwed over by the +Jews. It 's a damn shame that the Palestinians had to pay for +German and European anti semitism. + + Pissed off at Immature, + Closeminded, Self righteous + Semites +";15;True +"From: steerr@h01.UUCP (R. William Steer) +Subject: X server for NT? +Organization: The Internet +Lines: 5 +NNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu +To: cognac!sunpitt!expo.lcs.mit.edu!xpert@sunpitt.East.Sun.COM + +Does anybody have an X server for NT that they're willing to share files +or experiences? + +Bill Steer +Westinghouse +";12;True +"From: fmg@alpha.smi.med.pitt.edu (Filip Gieszczykiewicz) +Subject: Scope questions +Summary: What is [a] ""Storage scope"" +Distribution: na +Organization: Medical Informatics, Pittsburgh, PA USA +Lines: 33 + + + Greetings. I've been seeing the word ""storage"" mentioned + around oscilliscopes but I'm curious, what does it mean? + + If my life depended on it, I'd say that it's a scope that + uses long-persistance phosphor to keep the successive + taces on the screen for some unit of time - ""store"" them. + Do I get to live? + + Also, I've been shopping for a decent, used, [old] scope + since my Tek 514A (portable...NOT!) and my Heathkit O-1000 + are all single trace and I need more... like 2 or 3 and at + least 50MHz (maybe 100...) + + During my shopping at hamfests etc. I've run into the + problem of ""old scope"" terminology. I can imagine what + a ""mainframe"" and ""plug-in"" are but some things like + the above ""storage"", ""coax input"" (Hey, where do I get a + probe that fits this? I had to fiddle with mine for a week + before I got anything resembling ""a good trace"" - they all + come with BNC connectors!), ""unblanking"" (huh?), and, oh, + just like my 514 manuals, MANY changes were made along the + way to the schematic - scopes, even with IDENTICAL model + numbers, have different (better?) response/performance than + others - how can I pick the better one? Does the rule of the + higher SN the better apply? + + Take care. +-- +/ Filip ""I'll buy a vowel"" Gieszczykiewicz. | Best e-mail ""fmgst+@pitt.edu"" \ +| All ideas are mine but they can be yours for only $0.99 so respond NOW!!!! | +| I live for my EE major, winsurfing, programming, SCA, and assorted dreams. | +\ 200MB Drive - Linux has 100MB and MS-DOS has 100MB. MS-DOS is worried ;-) / +";11;True +"From: ab4z@virginia.edu (Andi Beyer) +Subject: Translations +Organization: University of Virginia +Lines: 2 + +Which Version of the Bible do you consider to be the most +accurate translation? +";17;True +"From: darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Fred Rice) +Subject: Re: Ancient islamic rituals +Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia. +Lines: 21 + +In <16BA6C947.I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de> I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau) writes: + +>In article <1993Apr3.081052.11292@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> +>darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Fred Rice) writes: +> +>>There has been some discussion on the pros and cons about sex outside of +>>marriage. +>> +>>I personally think that part of the value of having lasting partnerships +>>between men and women is that this helps to provide a stable and secure +>>environment for children to grow up in. +>(Deletion) +> +>As an addition to Chris Faehl's post, what about homosexuals? + +Well, from an Islamic viewpoint, homosexuality is not the norm for +society. I cannot really say much about the Islamic viewpoint on homosexuality +as it is not something I have done much research on. + + Fred Rice + darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au +";9;True +"From: rcollins@ns.encore.com (Roger Collins) +Subject: Re: Limiting Govt (Was Re: Employment (was Re: Why not concentrate...) +Reply-To: rcollins@encore.com +Organization: Encore Computer Corporation +Nntp-Posting-Host: sysgem1.encore.com +Lines: 46 + +In article <1993Apr15.164605.8439@isc-br.isc-br.com>, steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks) writes: +|> In article slagle@lmsc.lockheed.com writes: +|> >It is the government that is preventing entry to the market. The +|> >desire of those running established businesses to prevent or +|> >restrict the entry of competitors is an understandable, though +|> >generally unpleasant, human failing. But without a means to act +|> >on this desire, without a government with sufficient power to +|> >restrict the options of the potential competitor, the +|> >anti-competitive desire remains just an unpleasant wish. The +|> >government is the linchpin, so we seek to disengage it so we +|> >don't get the shaft. +|> +|> Once again, Mark, you don't specify the means through which the government +|> is to be prevented from becoming the tool of business interests. As a +|> left-wing, big government, conventional liberal, I'm just as willing as +|> you are to vote against anti-competitive regulations that favor auto +|> dealers. +|> +|> But what I hear from libertarians is a desire to limit incumbents' terms, +|> to weaken government by eliminating its power to enforce antitrust laws, +|> and a desire to eliminate legislator's pay. Each strikes me as a +|> particularly ineffective way to insure that auto dealers and other special +|> interests cannot influence public policy. In fact, they seem clearly +|> designed to accomplish the opposite. + +This is similar to my saying that Clinton's timber summit does little to +fix the health care problem. Look at the whole picture, not just +randomly picked libertarian positions. If government is not allowed to +use ""non-initiated force"" to achieve its goals, than no special interest +can influence the government to use non-initiated force on their behalf. + +The means to reaching such a restricted government is another topic +which I'll address briefly. It certainly won't happen until +libertarianism is the dominate philosophy. What means do we have to +make libertarianism the dominate philosophy? Statists run the education +monopoly, so we have to be creative. The Advocates for Self-Government +reports 85% of their Seminar 1 participants ""embrace"" libertarianism. +That's the best means I've seen yet. We should lobby for compulsory +Seminar 1 attendance. :) [in jest!] + +Roger Collins + +It's amazing to me that governments around the world will try every +aspect of government control before, as a final last resort after +everything else fails, they will try individual liberty. + -- Andre Marrou, Libertarian candidate for President '92 +";18;True +"From: blast@nntp.crl.com (Tim Keanini) +Subject: Mac SCSI spec? +Lines: 20 +NNTP-Posting-Host: crl.com + +I have a MacIIFX and I know that it is wired about its SCSI chain. + +I just bought a drive and I need to find out a few hardcore SCSI question: + +Does the IIFX SCSI chain want to see active or passive termination? + +Does the IIFX SCSI spec want me to enable the initiation of the SDTR message? + +WHat does the IIFX SCSI spec want as far as parity checking? + +These are some very good questions for the FAQ. +If someone does not have time to answer these questions but does know +where I can look them up please let me know and I will repost the answers +for everyone to see. + +thanks, + +Tim Keanini or +Sound Engineer Broderbund Software + +";0;True +"From: ednobles@sacam.OREN.ORTN.EDU (Edward d Nobles) +Subject: windows imagine??!! +Organization: Oak Ridge National Laboratory +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] +Lines: 10 + + +Has ANYONE who has ordered the new PC version of Imagine ACTUALLY recieved +it yet? I'm just about ready to order but reading posts about people still +awaiting delivery are making me a little paranoid. Has anyone actually +held this piece of software in their own hands? + +Later, + +Jim Nobles + +";1;True +"From: mustafa@seas.smu.edu (Mustafa Kocaturk) +Subject: How starters work really +Keywords: fluorescent bulb starter neon +Nntp-Posting-Host: turbo_f.seas.smu.edu +Organization: SMU - School of Engineering & Applied Science - Dallas +Lines: 28 + +In article <734953838.AA00509@insane.apana.org.au> peter.m@insane.apana.org.au (Peter Tryndoch) writes: +> +>So when you turn on the power, this causes the bulb to work like a neon, +>heating up and shorting out, thus providing a loop to power the heaters in +>the main tube. When the tube fires, insufficient current runs through the +>starter to keep the heat up and the bi-metalic strip straightens out +>(O/C). + +Imprecise. This description + + 1. ignores the role of the ballast, + 2. misrepresents the heating effects in the starter. + +The bimetalic strip cools down immediately after the contacts +short circuit, because the neon discharge stops, and much less +heat is generated from the I^2R loss in the metal as compared to +the neon discharge. + +The starter contacts open before the tube fires. Actually, +the tube fires as a result of the back-emf generated in the ballast +because of this immediate opening of the starter's contacts. + +A capacitor is connected in parallel with the contacts to prevent +excessive arcing during the firing. The neon reionizes but does not draw +sufficient current to prevent firing of the tube itself. +-- +Mustafa Kocaturk mustafa@seas.smu.edu EE Dept., Room 305A, Caruth Bldg. +Home: 214-706-5954 Office: 214-768-1475 SMU Box 753190, Dallas, TX 75275 +";11;True +"From: lundby@rtsg.mot.com (Walter F. Lundby) +Subject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition? +Nntp-Posting-Host: accord2 +Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group +Distribution: na +Lines: 29 + +As nobody in the food industry has even bothered to address my previous +question ""WHY DO YOU NEED TO PUT MSG IN ALMOST EVERY FOOD?"" I must assume +that my wife's answer is closer to the truth than I hoped it was. + +She believes that MSG is added to food to cause people to eat more of it +and not quit when they shoud be sated. To put it a different way, she +believes that for some people MSG causes them to act toward food like an addict. +(Eat all the chips, chow down on several packages of noodle soup .... you get the +idea! } IF she is right, then the moral and ethical standards of the +food, chemical and regulatory groups need to be addressed!!! Can MSG +be considered a conditioning substance (not addictive but sort of habit +forming) ? + +This brings up a side question of mine. I have noticed that cats (my +children's and my parent's) seem to fixate on a particular brand of pet +food. The cat will eat any product within one brand and not any other +brand. I have wondered if this is not a case of preference, but, some +sort of chemical training or addiction. My questions, for the net, are: +Does the FDA regulate the contents of pet food? Is it allowed for pet +food to contain addictive or conditioning substances? Is MSG put in +pet food? + +----------------------------------- +I speak for myself and not Motorola +----------------------------------- + +-- +Walter Lundby + +";4;True +"From: jyturunen@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi +Subject: Re: Too Many Europeans in NHL +Lines: 18 +Nntp-Posting-Host: tne03.tele.nokia.fi +Organization: Nokia Telecommunications. + +In article , rauser@fraser.sfu.ca (Richard John Rauser) writes: +> +> Here's the point: there are far too many Europeans in the NHL. I am sick +> of watching a game between an American and a Canadian team (let's say, the +> Red Wings and the Canucks) and seeing names like ""Bure"" ""Konstantinov"" and +> ""Borshevshky"". Is this North America or isn't it? Toronto, Detriot, Quebec, +> and Edmonton are particularly annoying, but the numbers of Euros on other +> teams is getting worse as well. + + I'm sick too watching all-american names like GRETZKY etc. + + Which names you accept ? Sitting bull and dances with wolves ? + + It is North America. What are you doing here ? + + + Jyri + +";13;True +"From: vergolin@euler.lbs.msu.edu (David Vergolini) +Subject: Detroit Tigers +Organization: Michigan State University +Lines: 7 +NNTP-Posting-Host: euler.lbs.msu.edu +Summary: Who can stop the roar of the Tiger's bats. +Keywords: Detroit is the top offensive team in the league + + The roar at Michigan and Trumbull should be loader than ever this year. With +Mike Illitch at the head and Ernie Harwell back at the booth, the tiger bats +will bang this summer. Already they have scored 20 runs in two games and with +Fielder, Tettleton, and Deer I think they can win the division. No pitching! +Bull! Gully, Moore, Wells, and Krueger make up a decent staff that will keep +the team into many games. Then there is Henneman to close it out. Watch out +Boston, Toronto, and Baltimore - the Motor City Kittys are back. +";14;True +"From: Graham Toal +Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. +Originator: gtoal@pizzabox.demon.co.uk +Nntp-Posting-Host: pizzabox.demon.co.uk +Reply-To: Graham Toal +Organization: Cuddlehogs Anonymous +Distribution: na +Lines: 17 + +In article <2073@rwing.UUCP> pat@rwing.UUCP (Pat Myrto) writes: +:If the Clinton Clipper is so very good, why not make its algrithm public +:so many people can exchange ideas and examine it, rather than a few +:isolated 'respected experts' (respected by whom? for what? Perhaps a +:certain professor who likes key banks would be one of the selected +:experts... this does seem to expand on some ideas the person was +:advocating, if I recall :-). How would anybody know that what the + +Actually, I am *completely* baffled by why Dorothy Denning has chosen +to throw away her academic respectability like this. It looks to me +like a *major* Career Limiting Move. There can be very few people +who know what she's been saying who take her seriously any more. + +I wonder if she landed such a fat fee from cooperation with the NSA in +the design and propoganda stages that she doesn't care any more? + +G +";16;True +"From: ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu (Eli Brandt) +Subject: Re: Do we need the clipper for cheap security? +Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711 +Lines: 35 + +In article <1r1f62$rh5@news.intercon.com> amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker) writes: +>One thing that Clipper offers is interoperability, at a higher degree of +>security than we currently have in non-proprietary voice encryption systems. +>This means it will be cheaper than anyone's proprietary scheme, and easier to +>deploy. + +I may be an anarchist nutcase, but I wouldn't have frothed overmuch +had the government proposed a secure encryption standard. In fact, +if the NSA had come up with a privacy chip rather than a wiretap +chip, I would have been happy. They *could* have done this -- set +up an ANSI committee, picked a secure cryptosystem, defined a +protocol and interface, and said, ""Hey, start building them."" + +Instead we have a deliberately brain-dead version of a cryptosystem +that has not even been peer reviewed. Yes, the NSA owns some smart +people. But if they pulled a FEAL, well, AT&T is going to be left +with a lot of dud phones on its hands. + +>Perry said: +>> Someone please tell me what exactly we get in our social contract in +>> exchange for giving up our right to strong cryptography? +> +>Can you tell me where exactly we have given up that right? + +Heh heh. The government already gave it up for us. Remember in the +announcement they described this scheme as balancing the two +extremes of having no privacy and claiming that citizens had a +Constitutional right to encryption? + +So much for Clinton's support of the ""right of privacy"". + + PGP 2 key by finger or e-mail (void when prohibited) + Eli ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu + + +";16;True +"From: Thyagi@cup.portal.com (Thyagi Morgoth NagaSiva) +Subject: David Koresh - Messianic Cult??? +Organization: The Portal System (TM) +Distribution: world +Lines: 12 + +Hello. + + +I just read my first newspaper in a while and noticed an article on a +'messianic cult' leader named 'David Koresh'. + +I'd like to know more about this and what is going on with them. + +Please email me as I don't normally read this newsgroup. Thanks. + + +Thyagi@HouseofKaos.Abyss.com +";19;True +"Subject: Space FAQ 03/15 - Data Sources +From: leech@cs.unc.edu (Jon Leech) +Expires: 6 May 1993 19:55:35 GMT +Organization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill +Keywords: Frequently Asked Questions +Supersedes: +NNTP-Posting-Host: mahler.cs.unc.edu +Lines: 463 + +Archive-name: space/data +Last-modified: $Date: 93/04/01 14:39:07 $ + +ONLINE AND OTHER SOURCES OF IMAGES, DATA, ETC. + + +INTRODUCTION + + A wide variety of images, data, catalogs, information releases, and + other material dealing with space and astronomy may be found on the net. + A few sites offer direct dialup access or remote login access, while the + remainder support some form of file transfer. Many sites are listed as + providing 'anonymous FTP'. This refers to the File Transfer Protocol on + the Internet. Sites not connected to the Internet cannot use FTP + directly, but there are a few automated FTP servers which operates via + email. Send mail containing only the word HELP to ftpmail@decwrl.dec.com + or bitftp@pucc.princeton.edu, and the servers will send you instructions + on how to make requests. + + The sources with the broadest selection of material are the NASA Ames + SPACE archive and the National Space Science Data Center. + + Don't even ask for images to be posted to the net. The data volume is + huge and nobody wants to spend the time on it. + + +VIEWING IMAGES + + The possible combinations of image formats and machines is forebodingly + large, and I won't attempt to cover common formats (GIF, etc.) here. To + read PDS and VICAR (and many other) formats on Unix systems running X, + use XV 2.11, available by anonymous FTP from export.lcs.mit.edu + (18.24.0.12) in contrib/xv-2.11.tar.Z and the other standard X11 FTP + sites. + + The FAQ for the Usenet group alt.binaries.pictures discusses image + formats and how to get image viewing software. A copy of this document + is available by anonymous FTP from the Usenet FAQ archives at + pit-manager.mit.edu (18.72.1.58), in directory + pub/usenet/alt.binaries.pictures. + + +ONLINE ARCHIVES + + NASA AMES + + Extensive archives are maintained at NASA Ames and are available via + anonymous FTP or an email server. These archives include many images and + a wide variety of documents including this FAQ list, NASA press + releases, shuttle launch advisories, and mission status reports. Please + note that these are NOT maintained on an official basis. + + FTP users should connect to ames.arc.nasa.gov (128.102.18.3) and look in + pub/SPACE. pub/SPACE/Index contains a listing of files available in the + archive (the index is about 200K by itself). + + To access the archives by email, send a letter to + archive-server@ames.arc.nasa.gov (or ames!archive-server). In the + subject of your letter (or in the body), use commands like: + + send SPACE Index + send SPACE SHUTTLE/ss01.23.91. + + The capitalization of the subdirectory names is important. All are in + caps. Only text files are handled by the email server at present; use + one of the FTP email servers described in the introduction to this + section for images or programs. + + The Magellan Venus and Voyager Jupiter, Saturn, and Uranus CD-ROM image + disks have been put online in the CDROM and CDROM2 directories. The + disks will be rotated on a weekly basis. Thousands of images are + available in these collections. + + The GIF directory contains images in GIF format. The VICAR directory + contains Magellan images in VICAR format (these are also available in + the GIF directory). A PC program capable of displaying these files is + found in the IMDISP directory (see the item ""VIEWING IMAGES"" below). + + The NASA media guide describes the various NASA centers and how to + contact their public affairs officers; this may be useful when pursuing + specific information. It's in MISC/media.guide. + + Any problems with the archive server should be reported to Peter Yee + (yee@ames.arc.nasa.gov). + + + NASA ASTROPHYSICS DATA SYSTEM + + The ADS is a distributed data retrieval system which is easy to use and + provides uniform access to ground-based and space-based astronomy data + from NASA data centers across the country. It currently has over 140 + data catalogs of radio, infrared, optical, UV, and X-ray data which can + be queried by position or any other parameter in the catalog. The ADS + also provides tools to manipulate and plot tabular results. In addition, + ADS has a Beta version of an Abstracts Service which allows users to + query over 125,000 abstracts of astronomy papers since 1975 by authors, + keywords, title words, or abstract text words. + + ADS use requires direct Internet access. For more info and to sign up to + become a user, email ads@cuads.coloradu.edu. The User's Guide and + ""QuickStart"" Guide are available by anonymous FTP to sao-ftp.harvard.edu + in directory pub/ads/ADS_User_Guide (PostScript files). + + Contact Carolyn Stern Grant (stern@cfa.harvard.edu). + + + NASA JET PROPULSION LAB (MISSION INFORMATION AND IMAGES) + + pubinfo.jpl.nasa.gov (128.149.6.2) is an anonymous FTP site operated by + the JPL Public Information Office, containing news releases, status + reports, fact sheets, images, and other data on JPL missions. It may + also be reached by modem at (818)-354-1333 (no parity, 8 data bits, 1 + stop bit). + + Contact newsdesk@jplpost.jpl.nasa.gov or phone (818)-354-7170. + + + NASA LANGLEY (TECHNICAL REPORTS) + + techreports.larc.nasa.gov is an anonymous FTP site offering technical + reports. To get started, cd to directory pub/techreports/larc/92 and + retrieve files README and abstracts.92. Most files are compressed + PostScript. The reports are also in a WAIS database with the following + description: + + (:source + :version 3 + :ip-name ""techreports.larc.nasa.gov"" + :tcp-port 210 + :database-name ""nasa-larc-abs"" + :cost 0.00 + :cost-unit :free + :maintainer ""M.L.Nelson@LaRC.NASA.GOV"" + :description ""NASA Langley Research Center Technical Reports + + Contact tr-admin@techreports.larc.nasa.gov. + + + NASA SPACELINK + + SpaceLink is an online service located at Marshall Space Flight Center + in Huntsville, Alabama. The system is specifically designed for + teachers. The data base is arranged to provide easy access to current + and historical information on NASA aeronautics, space research, and + technology transfer information. Also included are suggested classroom + activities that incorporate information on NASA projects to teach a + number of scientific principles. Unlike bulletin board systems, NASA + Spacelink does not provide for interaction between callers. However it + does allow teachers and other callers to leave questions and comments + for NASA which may be answered by regular mail. Messages are answered + electronically, even to acknowledge requests which will be fulfilled by + mail. Messages are generally handled the next working day except during + missions when turnaround times increase. The mail system is closed-loop + between the user and NASA. + + SpaceLink also offers downloadable shareware and public domain programs + useful for science educators as well as space graphics and GIF images + from NASA's planetary probes and the Hubble Telescope. + + You can dial in at (205)-895-0028 (300/1200/2400/9600(V.32) baud, 8 + bits, no parity, 1 stop bit), or telnet to spacelink.msfc.nasa.gov + (128.158.13.250, also known as xsl.msfc.nasa.gov) if you're on the + Internet. Anonymous FTP capability (password guest) is now available. + + Most of this information is also available from the Ames server in + directory SPACELINK. + + + NATIONAL SPACE SCIENCE DATA CENTER (NSSDC) + + The National Space Science Data Center is the official clearinghouse for + NASA data. The data catalog (*not* the data itself) is available online. + Internet users can telnet to nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov (128.183.36.23) and + log in as 'NODIS' (no password). You can also get the catalog by sending + email to 'request@nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov'. + + You can also dial in at (301)-286-9000 (300, 1200, or 2400 baud, 8 bits, + no parity, one stop). At the ""Enter Number:"" prompt, enter MD and + carriage return. When the system responds ""Call Complete,"" enter a few + more carriage returns to get the ""Username:"" and log in as 'NODIS' (no + password). + + The system is menu-driven; topics available as of 3/93 are: + + 1 - Master Directory - NASA & Global Change + 2 - Personnel Information Management System + 3 - Nimbus-7 GRID TOMS Data + 4 - Interplanetary Medium Data (OMNI) + 5 - Request data and/or information from NSSDC + 6 - Geophysical Models + 7 - CANOPUS Newsletter + 8 - International Ultraviolet Explorer Data Request + 9 - CZCS Browse and Order Utility + 10 - Astronomical Data Center (ADC) + 11 - STEP Bulletin Board Service + 12 - Standards and Technology Information System + 13 - Planetary Science & Magellan Project Information + 14 - Other Online Data Services at NSSDC + 15 - CD-ROMS Available at NSSDC + + For users with Internet access, datasets are made available via + anonymous FTP once you select the desired datasets from the online + catalog. For other users, data may be ordered on CD-ROM and in other + formats. Among the many types of data available are Voyager, Magellan, + and other planetary images, Earth observation data, and star catalogs. + Viewers for Macintosh and IBM systems are also available. As an example + of the cost, an 8 CD set of Voyager images is $75. Data may ordered + online, by email, or by physical mail. The postal address is: + + National Space Science Data Center + Request Coordination Office + Goddard Space Flight Center + Code 633 + Greenbelt, MD 20771 + + Telephone: (301) 286-6695 + + Email address: request@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov + + + SPACE TELESCOPE SCIENCE INSTITUTE ELECTRONIC INFORMATION SERVICE + + stsci.edu (130.167.1.2) has a large amount of information about the + Hubble Space Telescope available by anonymous FTP, such as status + reports and newsletters, in addition to material oriented towards HST + observers and proposers. Get the top level README file to begin with. + Contact Pete Reppert (reppert@stsci.edu) or Chris O'Dea + (odea@stsci.edu). + + + STARCAT + + The Space Telescope European Coordination Facility, at ESO/Garching + provides on-line access to a huge astronomical database, featuring + + - Observation log files of several satellites/telescopes + (IUE,IRAS,HST,NTT...). + - Spectra and images (IUE, HST). + - Most of the astronomical catalogues (SAO, HR, NGC, PPM, IRAS, + Veron, GSC and many others, more than 50) in a very convenient + way (give center+radius+kind of objects, and you get the + corresponding files!). + + Log on as ``starcat'' (no password) on node stesis.hq.eso.org + (134.171.8.100) or on STESIS (DECnet). The files created can be + retreived by FTP. Contact: Benoit Pirenne, bpirenne@eso.org (phone +49 + 89 320 06 433) at ST-ECF + + + ASTRONOMICAL DATABASES + + The full SAO stellar database is *NOT* available online, probably due to + the 40 MB size. It may be ordered on magnetic tape from the NSSDC. A + subset containing position and magnitude only is available by FTP (see + ""Astronomy Programs"" below). + + nic.funet.fi (128.214.6.100) has a large collection of astronomical + programs for many types of computers, databases of stars and deep sky + objects, and general astronomy information in directory /pub/astro. This + site is mainly for European users, but overseas connections are + possible. + + The Ames archives contain a database of 8,436 galaxies including name, + RA, declination, magnitude, and radial velocity in MISC/galaxy.dat. + Supplied by Wayne Hayes (wayne@csri.utoronto.ca). + + iris1.ucis.dal.ca (129.173.18.107) has a number of GIFs from Voyager, + Hubble, and other sources available by anonymous FTP in pub/gif (most of + this data is also in SPACE/GIF on the Ames server). Please restrict + access to 5pm - 8am Atlantic time. + + pomona.claremont.edu has the Yale Bright Star catalog for anonymous FTP + in directory [.YALE_BSC]. Contact James Dishaw + (jdishaw@hmcvax.claremont.edu). + + The Hubble Guide Star catalog is available on CD-ROM for the Mac and PC + for $49.95 US (catalog # ST101). + + Astronomical Society of the Pacific + 390 Ashton Ave. + San Francisco, CA 94112 + Phone: (415) 337-2624 9 AM - 3 PM Pacific Time + FAX: (415) 337-5205 + + For German (and possibly other European) readers, Jost Jahn has a + service to distribute astronomical data to interested amateurs at cost. + About 30-40 catalogs are available for DM 6..8/disk. Several floppy disk + formats are available. Because of the expense of receiving email on his + system, he asks that you contact him by physical mail: + + Jost Jahn + Neustaedter Strasse 11 + W-3123 Bodenteich + GERMANY + Phone: FRG-5824-3197 + + + ASTRONOMY PROGRAMS + + Various astronomy-related programs and databases posted to the net in + the past are archived for anonymous FTP at multiple sites, including + ftp.uu.net (137.39.1.9). Also see the ASTRO-FTP list posted to sci.astro + monthly, which is more complete than this list. + + Astonomical/Space-related sources of interest in comp.sources.unix: + + Volume 8: phoon moon phase and date routines + Volume 12,13: starchart starchart program & Yale Star data + Volume 15: moontool shows moon phase picture on Suns + Volume 16: sao reduced SAO catalog + + Astonomical/Space-related sources of interest in comp.sources.misc: + + Volume 8: moon another moon phase program + Volume 11: starchart starchart program, version 3.2 + Volume 11: n3emo-orbit orbit: track earth satellites + Volume 12: starchart2 starchart program, update to version 3.2.1 + Volume 13: jupmoons plotter for Jupiter's major moons [in perl] + Volume 13: lunisolar lunisolar (not sure what this does) + Volume 14: ephem-4.21 astronomical ephemeris, v4.21 + Volume 14: n3emo-orbit patch to orbit 3.7 + Volume 18: planet planet generation simulator + + Elwood Downey (e_downey@tasha.cca.cr.rockwell.com), the author of + ""ephem"", has offered to mail copies to people who can't find it on one + of the archives. + + XSAT, an X Window System based satellite tracking program, is + available by anonymous FTP from export.lcs.mit.edu (18.24.0.12) in + contrib/xsat1.0.tar.Z. Contact Dave Curry (davy@ecn.purdue.edu) + for more information. + + Xsky, a computerized sky atlas for the X Window System, is available for + anonymous FTP on arizona.edu in the directory [.SOFTWARE.UNIX.XSKY] as + xsky.tarz. Contact Terry R. Friedrichsen (terry@venus.sunquest.com) for + more information. + + The ""Variable Stars Analysis Software Archive"" is available via + anonymous FTP from kauri.vuw.ac.nz (130.195.11.3) in directory + pub/astrophys. This is intended for specialists in this field, and they + would appreciate people from outside New Zealand confining their FTP + access to the astrophys directory, as they pay a significant amount for + Internet access. Contents are relatively sparse at present due to the + youth of the archive - contributions are encouraged. Contact the archive + administrator, Timothy Banks (bankst@kauri.vuw.ac.nz) for more + information. + + The ""IDL Astronomy Users Library"" is available by anonymous FTP from + idlastro.gsfc.nasa.gov (128.183.57.82). This is a central repository for + general purpose astronomy procedures written in IDL, a commercial image + processing, plotting, and programming language. Contact Wayne Landsman + (landsman@stars.gsfc.nasa.gov) for more information. + + + ORBITAL ELEMENT SETS + + The most recent orbital elements from the NASA Prediction Bulletins are + carried on the Celestial BBS, (513)-427-0674. Documentation and tracking + software are also available on this system. The Celestial BBS may be + accessed 24 hours/day at 300, 1200, or 2400 baud using 8 data bits, 1 + stop bit, no parity. + + Orbital element sets are available via anonymous FTP from the + following sites: + + archive.afit.af.mil (129.92.1.66) NASA,TVRO,Shuttle + directory: /pub/space + + ftp.funet.fi (128.214.6.100) NASA,TVRO,Molczan,CelBBS, + directory: /pub/astro/pc/satel Shuttle (*) + + kilroy.jpl.nasa.gov (128.149.1.165) NASA,Molczan + directory: /pub/space/ + + + SPACE DIGEST ARCHIVES + + Copies of back issues of Space Digest are archived on + LISTSERV@UGA.BITNET. Send mail containing the message ""INDEX SPACE"" to + get an index of files; send it the message ""GET filename filetype"" to + get a particular file. + + +LANDSAT AND NASA PHOTOS + + You can get black-and-white 1:1M prints, negatives, or positives for + $10, $18, $12 respectively for any Landsat data more than 2 years old + from EDC, (Eros (Earth Resources Orbiting Satellite) Data Center). Call + them at (605)-594-6511. You get 80 meter resolution from the MSS + scanner, 135x180 kilometers on a picture 135x180 mm in size. I think you + have to select one band from (green, red, near IR, second near IR), but + I'm not sure. Digitial data is also available at higher prices. + + Transparencies of all NASA photos available to the public can be + borrowed from the NASA photo archive; you can have copies or prints + made. + + NASA Audio-Visual Facility + 918 North Rengstorff Ave + Mountain View, CA 94043 + (415)-604-6270 + + +PLANETARY MAPS + + The USGS address for maps of the planets is: + + U.S. Geological Survey, + Distribution Branch, + Box 25286, Federal Center, Bldg. 41 + Denver, CO 80225 + + Maps cost $2.40 to $3.10 per sheet (a few come in sets of 2 or 3 sheets). + + The best global maps of Mars based on Viking images are 1:15,000,000 + scale in 3 sheets. These maps are: + + I-1535 (2 sheets only) - relief, albedo, names + I-1535 + I-1618 (3 sheets) - relief, names + I-2030 (3 sheets) - relief, topographic contours + I-1802-A,B,C (3 sheets) - geology + + There are many other maps as well: 30 sheets at 1:5,000,000 scale in + relief, albedo, geology, photomosaic forms (not all 30 sheets available + in all formats); 140 sheets at 1:2,000,000 scale as photomosaics of the + whole planet, about 100 sheets of interesting sites at 1:500,000 scale + in photomosaic format, and lots of special sheets. + + Then there are maps of Mercury, Venus, the Moon, the four Galilean + Satellites, six moons of Saturn and five of Uranus. [Phil Stooke + (stooke@vaxr.sscl.uwo.ca), the author of this item, has offered to + respond to email requests for information on any topic relating to lunar + and planetary maps.] + + +COMETARY ORBIT DATA + + The Central Bureau for Astronomical Telegrams and the Minor Planet + Center announce the sixth edition of the Catalogue of Cometary Orbits in + IAU Circular 4935. The catalogue contains 1292 entries which represent + all known comets through November 1989 and is 96 pages long. + Non-subscribers to the Circulars may purchase the catalogue for $15.00 + while the cost to subscribers is $7.50. The basic catalogue in ASCII + along with a program to extract specific orbits and calculate + ephemerides is available on MS-DOS 5.25-inch 2S2D diskette at a cost of + $75.00 (the program requires an 8087 math coprocessor). The catalogue + alone is also available by e-mail for $37.50 or on magnetic tape for + $300.00. + + Except for the printed version of the catalogue, the various magnetic + media or e-mail forms of the catalogue do not specifically meantion + non-subscribers. It is possible that these forms of the catalogue may + not be available to non-subscribers or that their prices may be more + expensive than those given. Mail requests for specific information and + orders to: + + Central Bureau for Astronomical Telegrams + Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory + Cambridge, MA 02138, USA + + +NEXT: FAQ #4/15 - Performing calculations and interpreting data formats +";2;True +"From: besmith@uncc.edu (Brian E Smith) +Subject: Re: Rayshade query +Nntp-Posting-Host: ws27.uncc.edu +Reply-To: besmith@uncc.edu +Organization: University of NC at Charlotte +Lines: 22 + +In article 5742@sunvax.sun.ac.za, 8910782@sunvax.sun.ac.za () writes: +>I am also looking for a surface for the chesspieces. The board is marble. +>Unfortunately black won't work very well for the one side. Anybody with ideas +>for nice surfaces? + +How about brass or silver? I've seen real chessboards that use that material. + +> +>Where should I post the finished chessboard? +> + +Right here is as good a place as any. Can't wait to see it. I use the POV +raytracer - is it compatible enough for your chessboard? + +------------------------------------------------------------------------------- + ""I don't know if you've got the whole picture or not, but it doesn't + seem like he's running on all thrusters!"" -- Leonard McCoy + + ""A guess? You, Spock? That's extraordinary!"" -- James T. Kirk +------------------------------------------------------------------------------- + Brian Smith (besmith@mosaic.uncc.edu) + +";1;True +"From: merlyn@digibd.digibd.com (Merlyn LeRoy) +Subject: Re: 14 Apr 93 God's Promise in 1 John 1: 7 +Nntp-Posting-Host: digibd.digibd.com +Organization: DigiBoard, Incorporated, Eden Prairie,MN +Lines: 13 + +brian@lpl.arizona.edu (Brian Ceccarelli 602/621-9615) writes: +>In article bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig) writes: +>>I've asked your god several times with all my heart to come to me... + +>Brian K., I am pleased with your honesty. And to be honest as well, I +>believe you have not asked my god to come to you. Why do I say this? + +Because that would contradict your religious beliefs; therefore, +you feel more comfortable simply accusing his sincerity, so you will +not have to critically examine your religious beliefs. + +--- +Merlyn LeRoy +";19;True +"From: mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) +Subject: Re: Does 'Just/justifiable War' exist? +Organization: AI Programs, University of Georgia, Athens +Lines: 32 + +Some thoughts: + +[A. On the non-pacifist side:] + +(1) Killing to defend the innocent may be, if anything, _more_ justifiable +than killing in self-defense. I can turn my _own_ other cheek, but I have +no right to turn someone else's. + +(2) It seems to me that if Jesus had meant to teach pacifism, He would have +made His position more explicit. He didn't tell the centurion to leave the +army, for instance; and the NT is full of military metaphors. + +[B. On the pacifist side:] + +(1) Apparently many early Christians refused to fight in the Roman army, +or stated that one should refuse if given a choice. But it's not clear +whether they were objecting to war _per se_, or objecting to Roman policies. + +(2) In modern warfare, it seems to be impossible to direct attacks only at +combatants. Bombing, both conventional and nuclear, kills lots of civilians. + +(3) It's hard to tell whether any _particular_ war is justified at the time. +Often it takes decades for the requisite information to become available +to the general public. + +Please, NO EMAIL REPLIES -- this is meant as a contribution to a public +discussion, and anyone wanting to reply should also reply publicly. +-- +:- Michael A. Covington, Associate Research Scientist : ***** +:- Artificial Intelligence Programs mcovingt@ai.uga.edu : ********* +:- The University of Georgia phone 706 542-0358 : * * * +:- Athens, Georgia 30602-7415 U.S.A. amateur radio N4TMI : ** *** ** <>< +";17;True +"From: csd25@keele.ac.uk (C.M. Yearsley) +Subject: Re: Can I Change ""Licensed To"" Data in Windows 3.1? +Lines: 13 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: seq1.cc.keele.ac.uk +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] + +: write over the ""Licensed to:"", but you can't change the name underneth it. I +: think if you wish to change this you would have to be a pirate, and we're not +: going to promote that here. +: + +Not so! My computer was supplied with my name in an 'interesting' +mix of upper and lower case, and my workplace mis-typed. I'm +getting fed up with being 'CMyearslEY' at 'KEEL UNVERSITY'! +It took me 20 (!) phone calls to the supplier to get the computer +working at all. I really can't face tackling them again.... + + +Chris +";6;True +"From: mlee@post.RoyalRoads.ca (Malcolm Lee) +Subject: Re: Who's next? Mormons and Jews? +Organization: Royal Roads Military College, Victoria, B.C. +Distribution: usa +Lines: 21 + + +In article <9601@blue.cis.pitt.edu>, rjl+@pitt.edu (Richard J. Loether) writes: +|> +|> Yes, of course, as in Matthew 10:34-35 ""Do not suppose that I have come to +|> bring peace to the earth; it is not peace I have come to bring but a sword..."" +|> : + +Remember the armor of God? The sword that Christians wield is the +Word of God, the Bible. + +God be with you, + +Malcolm Lee :) + + +|> RJL +|> -- +|> Rich Loether Snail mail: University of Pittsburgh The Ideas: +|> EMail: rjl+@pitt.edu Computing and Info Services Mine, +|> Voice: (412) 624-6429 600 Epsilon Drive all +|> FAX : (412) 624-6426 Pittsburgh, PA 15238 Mine. +";19;True +"From: dallas@ravel.udel.edu (Paul Lewis Fincke) +Subject: SCSI help +Nntp-Posting-Host: ravel.udel.edu +Organization: University of Delaware +Distribution: us +Lines: 24 + + +Howdy, + +Sorry if this has been covered before: + +One of my PC illiterate friends asked me to help him install DRDOS 6.0 on his +NEC Powermate SX (386SX 16). Of course, I said ""No problem"" and went to work. +Unfortunately, the DRDOS refuses to recognize the hard drive during +installation, even though I am still able to boot off of the hard drive using +the old DOS. After openning it up I discovered it was using an 8-bit +Seagate SCSI controller on a ST-157N SCSI 40Mbtye drive. I then booted +with DRDOS 6.0 off of the floppy a second time and ran fdisk to see if +I could access the drive. Lo and behold the primary 46.5 Mbyte partition +was intact (created by DOS 3.1 no less, I didn't think you could go over a +32Mbyte partition in the older DOSes. I could be wrong...). I then tried +to remove the primary partition, which it wouldn't allow me to do. I am +unaware of anything special that has to be done with a SCSI drive (I +kinda expected it to work just like an IDE/MFM/RLL drive for DOS +installations). Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated (except for +""Throw it in the garbage and buy a new PC"")... + +Thanks in advance, + +Paul ""Mr. SCSI... NOT!"" Fincke +";5;True +"From: andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman) +Subject: Re: criminals & machineguns +Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University. +Distribution: usa +Lines: 30 + +In article <93104.175256U28037@uicvm.uic.edu> Jason Kratz writes: +>people are getting killed by gang violence every day? Every single day I hear +>about more people getting killed by gang violence and see some of the weapons +>that are being confiscated. + +Is Kratz claiming that he can reliably visually distinguish an M-16 +from an AR-15? That he can see the difference between a semi-auto and +a full-auto UZI? That he can see the difference between the various +versions (some full-auto, some semi-auto only) of the M-11/9? + +If so, I'd love to hear the details, if only because they'll demonstrate +that Kratz is blowing smoke. + +Considering that one can design a gun so that it looks just like +another gun, yet have very different properties, and that that's +quite common.... + +Most kids in my neighborhood were quite young when they figured out +that my parents car wasn't much like Richard Petty's, even though it +looked just like it (except for the paint job). Things must have been +different with Kratz. + +>Sure it's on TV but why does that make a difference? + +No, it doesn't, but that's irrelevant. If visual inspection of the +outside worked, TV would be acceptable, but since it doesn't, the fact +that it's just as good as seeing in person doesn't mean much. + +-andy gave Kratz a chance to back down on this in private +-- +";3;True +"From: mirsky@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (David Joshua Mirsky) +Subject: Re: Desktop rebuild and Datadesk keyboard? +Organization: dis +Lines: 30 +NNTP-Posting-Host: hal.ai.mit.edu + +In article tthiel@cs.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel) writes: +>Ijust got a new Datadesk 101E keyboard to go with my new Centris 610 and have a +>problem doing desktop rebuilds. I hold down the Command and Option keys and +>restart but nothing happens. The DIP switches are set the right way and the +>Command and Option keys seem to work on anything else. I'm running 7.1 btw. +>Anyone know what the problem is? +>-Terry + + +Terry, hi. I recently bought an LCIII and a Datadesk 101E. I can't +remember trying to rebuild the desktop with it, however it did give me +a strange problem. When I held down shift during startup to disable +all extensions, nothing happened. I tried it with another keyboard, using +the same adb connector cable- and it worked with the other keyboard. +The shift key on the Datadesk keyboard worked well otherwise. I checked +the dipswitches and they are fine. Try disabling your extensions and tell +me if it works. + +I am annoyed with Datadesk. I sent them the keyboard in the mail for +inspection/repair/replacement. The technician on the phone said they +have a 10-14 day turn around time- meaning you should receive the +inspected/repaired keyboard in that time. Well, they have had the +keyboard for over 3 weeks and I still have gotten very little info +from them about it. It's annoying because it cost me $12 to send them +the keyboard (they do not refund the money) and their costumer service +lines are toll calls. Tell me if you have a similar experience. + +-David + +mirsky@gnu.ai.mit.edu +";0;True +"From: thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) +Subject: Re: The state of justice +Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu +Organization: University of Chicago +Lines: 26 + +In article <1993Apr16.131041.8660@desire.wright.edu> demon@desire.wright.edu (Not a Boomer) writes: +>In article <1qksa4INNi7m@shelley.u.washington.edu>, tzs@stein2.u.washington.edu (Tim Smith) writes: +>> What kind of witnesses? If we are talking about witnesses who were at +>> the accident, or were otherwise directly involved (e.g., paramedics, +>> emergency room doctors, etc.), then they should have been used at the +>> first trial. You don't get a new trial because you screwed up and +>> forgot to call all of your witnesses. +> +> They are two witnesses who didn't come forth until after the first +>trial. While it would be ""tough luck"" for GM if they new about these witnesses +>beforehand, IMO this constitutes ""new evidence"". + +The test isn't whether GM knew--otherwise that would reward GM for its +stupidity. The test is whether GM reasonably should have known of their +existence. It works both ways--if GM had won the trial, and the plaintiff +turned up two witnesses who came forward after the first trial who should +have been located beforehand, too bad, so sad--no new trial. + +Like Tim said, you don't get a new civil trial because you screwed up +the first time around. Unlike the criminal justice system, repose is +much more important in the civil justice system. +-- +ted frank | +thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu | I'm sorry, the card says ""Moops."" +the u of c law school | +standard disclaimers | +";18;True +"From: jac2y@Virginia.EDU (""Jonathan A. Cook "") +Subject: Re: !!!!JAZZ CD 4 sale/trade! +Organization: University of Virginia +Lines: 5 + +Sell it for $10, then. I can't really offer more than $8 at +this point. + +Thanks, +Jon +";8;True +"From: johnson@spectra.com (boyd johnson) +Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)... +Organization: Spectragraphics Corporation +Lines: 31 + +In article keys@starchild.ncsl.nist.gov (Lawrence B. Keys) writes: + +This isn't anything new. Back in 1985 I was driving under a high +overpass at night on I-805 in San Diego when I caught a glimpse of +someone on the overpass. As I passed under a rock slammed against the +metal between the winshield and right front window. My girlfriend was +in the seat next to it. I called the police from the next exit, but I +doubt if they were found. + +About five years ago in San Diego someone was put into a coma from a +brick being thrown through his sunroof as he was driving and +subsequently crashed. I don't think he ever came out of the coma, and I +haven't heard anything about it for a couple years. + +>I know that this isn't the group for it, but since you brought it up, +>does anyone have any idea why they haven't ""bombed"" the Waco cult? + +Probably because there are many children there. Also the minor fact +that other than defending themselves from 100 some people attacking them +they haven't threatened or attacked anyone outside the compound in +years. Being a promiscuous religious nut does not constitute grounds +for a mass murder of Koresh and his followers. + +Sorry for posting this to this group, but I thought the previous post +needed a rebuttal. If you follow-up to this portion please cross-post +and direct follow-ups to a more appropriate newsgroup. + +-- +====== Boyd Johnson nosc!spectra.com!johnson San Diego, California ====== + Intermittent newsfeed at best and only to selected groups. + My opinions certainly don't match those of my employer. +";10;True +"From: disser@engin.umich.edu (David Disser) +Subject: 2D bitmap interpolation +Organization: University of Michigan +Lines: 11 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: vesuvius.engin.umich.edu + + +Yesterday I wrote a program to do bilinear interpolation ala Numerical +Recipes, with the PBMPLUS libraries. I'm pretty happy with the results, +but I'm looking for any already-coded non-linear interpolation schemes +before I go ahead an try to write one. Any pointers? + +-- + +) Dave Disser UM-CAEN User Services Wealth is wasted +) disser@engin.umich.edu 229 Chrysler Center on the old. +) (313) 763-3067 Ann Arbor, MI 48109-2092 +";1;True +"From: davide@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Dave Edmondson) +Subject: Re: GPz900 runs like a bitch. +Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] +Lines: 31 + +I tried mailing you but your domain seems not to exist, can't even get +sinet.slb.com to admit to knowing about geco, anyway here we go: + +In article <1q7kq1INNjl9@griffin.orpington.sgp.slb.com> you wrote: + +: Subject:GPz900 runs like a bitch. +: Anyone have a cure for sub zero running probs on a GPz 900. +: Anything below 3000 revs and the bike wants to cut out all the time, +: the recommended cure in the bike mags seems to be to switch off the engine +: for a minute to thaw the ice,but this is obviously not mutch of a cure. +: mine has had the kawasaki heated carb mod but the problem persists, +: i've covered the rad which makes the bike run warmer and moves the problem +: down the temp scale a degree or two. +: Has anyone tried a dynojet kit on the 900 or (getting desperate) different +: carbs or the fuel injection off the GPz 1100. +: + +Have you talked to Kawasaki, maybe they did another version of the upgrade +kit. Got to be worth a phone call. Did you do the carb mod or did you buy it +secondhand from someone who said that it had been done. + +Is that Orpington in Kent? If so have you heard of the Ogri mailing list +which I run? Its an email list for bikers in the UK and interested parties, +available live or as a daily digest. Let me know if you want to subscribe. + +Good luck, Dave + +-- +David Edmondson davide@dcs.qmw.ac.uk +Queen Mary & Westfield College DoD#0777 Guzzi Le Mans 1000 +""This means the end of the horse-drawn Zeppelin."" +";7;True +"From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) +Subject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!! +Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc. +Lines: 16 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: rocket.sw.stratus.com + +In article , irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Brent Irvine) writes: + +> >> As someone else has pointed out, why would the stove be in use on a warm day +> >> in Texas. + +> >Do YOU eat all your food cold? + +> Ever hear of electric ovens or microwaves? Very popular. +> Electric stoves outside metro-areas especially. + +And they work especially well when the Feds have cut off your utilities. +-- + +cdt@rocket.sw.stratus.com --If you believe that I speak for my company, +OR cdt@vos.stratus.com write today for my special Investors' Packet... + +";3;True +"From: mbell@csc.liv.ac.uk (Mike Bell) +Subject: **** CURSOR SIZE PROBLEMS **** +Organization: Computer Science, Liverpool University +Lines: 19 +Nntp-Posting-Host: jed.csc.liv.ac.uk + +/* Apologies for those who have read this before but no-one has solved this */ +/* one yet so I'm posting again! Sorry :-) */ + +I'm having problems creating a cursor bigger than 64x64, I'm using Motif 1.1 +X11R4 running HP-UX 8.07 - all the functions return valid results but no +cursor appears when the bitmap is bigger than the aforementioned size. I tried + +using the following code: + +unsigned int w,h; +XQueryBestCursor(XtDisplay(programArea), XtWindow(programArea), 72, 71, &w, +&h); + +to return the nearest size to what I require however it returns 72 and 71 as +the width and height respectively. What am I doing wrong? and if not how can I +get round the problem!! + +Thanks in advance +Mike +";12;True +"Nntp-Posting-Host: 134.58.96.14 +From: wimvh@liris.tew.kuleuven.ac.be (Wim Van Holder) +Distribution: world +Organization: K.U.Leuven - Applied Economic Sciences Department +Subject: WINQVTNET with NDIS on Token Ring ? +Lines: 13 + +Is it possible to use WinQVT/Net on a machine that uses NDIS to connect to a +Token Ring ? I tried it with older versions (< 3.2) but got an invalid packet +class error or something the like... + +Regards, + +Wim Van Holder +Katholieke Universiteit Leuven Tel: ++32 (0)16/28.57.16 +Departement T.E.W. FAX: ++32 (0)16/28.57.99 +Dekenstraat 2 +B-3000 Leuven E-mail: wimvh@liris.tew.kuleuven.ac.be +BELGIUM fdbaq03@cc1.kuleuven.ac.be + +";6;True +"From: mmm@cup.portal.com (Mark Robert Thorson) +Subject: Eumemics (was: Eugenics) +Article-I.D.: cup.79700 +Organization: The Portal System (TM) +Lines: 36 + +> Probably within 50 years, a new type of eugenics will be possible. +> Maybe even sooner. We are now mapping the human genome. We will +> then start to work on manipulation of that genome. Using genetic +> engineering, we will be able to insert whatever genes we want. +> No breeding, no ""hybrids"", etc. The ethical question is, should +> we do this? Should we make a race of disease-free, long-lived, +> Arnold Schwartzenegger-muscled, supermen? Even if we can. + +Probably within 50 years, it will be possible to disassemble and +re-assemble our bodies at the molecular level. Not only will flawless +cosmetic surgery be possible, but flawless cosmetic PSYCHOSURGERY. + +What will it be like to store all the prices of shelf-priced bar-coded +goods in your head, and catch all the errors they make in the store's +favor at SAFEWAY? What will it be like to mentally edit and spell- +check your responses to the questions posed by a phone caller selling +VACATION TIME-SHARE OPTIONS? + +Indeed, we are today a nation at risk! The threat is not from bad genes, +but bad memes! Memes are the basic units of culture, as opposed to genes +which are the units of genetics. + +We stand on the brink of new meme-amplification technologies! Harmful +memes which formerly were restricted in their destructive power will +run rampant over the countryside, laying waste to the real benefits that +future technology has to offer. + +For example, Jeremy Rifkin has been busy trying to whip up emotions +against the new genetically engineered tomatoes under development at +CALGENE. This guy is inventing harmful memes, a virtual memetic Typhoid +Mary. + +We must expand the public-health laws to include quarantine of people +with harmful memes. They should not be allowed to infect other people +with their memes against genetically-engineered food, electromagnetic +fields, and the Space Shuttle solid rocket boosters. +";4;True +"From: penev@rockefeller.edu (Penio Penev) +Subject: Re: 486/66DX2 (ISA) vs. 486/50DX2 (EISA) +Reply-To: penev@venezia.rockefeller.edu +Organization: Rockefeller University +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] +X-Posted-From: venezia.rockefeller.edu +NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu +Lines: 14 + +On Fri, 16 Apr 1993 10:00:19 GMT Jesper Honig Spring (spring@diku.dk) wrote: + +| Can anyone give me their opinion on which system has got the best overall +| system performance; + +| 486/66DX2 with ISA-BUS or +| 486/50DX2 with EISA-BUS + +468DX2/66 EISA/VESA. Royal, among others, is celling such a system for $2010. + +-- +Penio Penev x7423 (212)327-7423 (w) Internet: penev@venezia.rockefeller.edu + +Disclaimer: All oppinions are mine. +";5;True +"From: rwang@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (John Wang) +Subject: More Cool BMP files?? +Distribution: usa +Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Virginia, USA +Lines: 13 + +Hi, everybody: + I guess my subject has said it all. It is getting boring +looking at those same old bmp files that came with Windows. So, +I am wondering if there is any body has some beautiful bmp file +I can share. Or maybe somebody can tell me some ftp site for +some bmp files, like some scenery files, some animals files, +etc.... I used to have some, unfortunately i delete them all. + +Anyway could me give me some help, please??? + +thanks a lot! + +john +";6;True +"From: ching@fledgling.WPI.EDU (Jay Heminger) +Subject: Re: TIGER STADIUM GIF? +Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute +Lines: 9 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: fledgling.wpi.edu +Originator: ching@fledgling.WPI.EDU + + + +I hate to be rude, but screw the seating chart, post the stadium instead. + +-- +------------------------THE LOGISTICIAN REIGNS SUPREME!!!---------------------- +| | +| GO BLUE!!! GO TIGERS!!! GO PISTONS!!! GO LIONS!!! GO RED WINGS!!! | +-------------------------------ching@wpi.wpi.edu------------------------------- +";14;True +"From: young@serum.kodak.com (Rich Young) +Subject: Re: what are the problems with nutrasweet (aspartame) +Originator: young@sasquatch +Nntp-Posting-Host: sasquatch +Reply-To: young@serum.kodak.com +Organization: Clinical Diagnostics Division, Eastman Kodak Company +Lines: 76 + +In article <1993Apr17.181013.3743@uvm.edu> hbloom@moose.uvm.edu (*Heather*) writes: +>Nutrasweet is a synthetic sweetener a couple thousand times sweeter than +>sugar. Some people are concerned about the chemicals that the body produces +>when it degrades nutrasweet. It is thought to form formaldehyde and known to +>for methanol in the degredation pathway that the body uses to eliminate +>substances. The real issue is whether the levels of methanol and formaldehyde +>produced are high enough to cause significant damage, as both are toxic to +>living cells. All I can say is that I will not consume it. + +[...] + + In the September 1992 issue of THE TUFTS UNIVERSITY DIET AND NUTRITION + LETTER, there is a three page article about artificial sweeteners. What + follows are those excerpts which deal specifically with Nutrasweet. + + [Reproduced without permission] + + The controversy [over aspartame] began six years ago in England, + where a group of researchers found that aspartame, marketed under + the tradename Nutrasweet, appears to stimulate appetite and, + presumably, the eating of more calories in the long run than if + a person simply consumed sugar. When researchers asked a group + of 95 people to drink plain water, aspartame-sweetened water, and + sugared water, they said that overall they felt hungriest after + drinking the artificially sweetened beverage. + The study received widespread media attention and stirred a + good deal of concern among the artificial-sweetener-using public. + However, its results were questionable at best, since the researchers + did not go on to measure whether the increase in appetite did + actually translate into an increase in eating. The two do not + necessarily go hand in hand. + In the years that followed, more than a dozen studies examining + the effect of aspartame on appetite -- and eating -- were conducted. + And after reviewing every one of them, the director of the + Laboratory of the Study of Human Ingestive Behavior at Johns Hopkins + University, Barbara Rolls, Ph.D., concluded that consuming aspartame- + sweetened foods and drinks is not associated with any increase in + the amount of food eaten afterward. + + One artificial sweetener that is not typically accused of causing + cancer is aspartame. But it most certainly has been blamed for a + host of other ills. Since its introduction in 1981, the government + has received thousands of complaints accusing it of causing + everything from headaches to nausea to mood swings to anxiety. + Still, years of careful scientific study conducted both before and + after the sweetener's entering the market have failed to confirm + that it can bring about adverse health effects. That's why the + Centers for Disease Control (the government agency charged with + monitoring public health), the American Medical Association's + Council on Scientific Affairs, and the Food and Drug Administration + have given aspartame, one of the most studied food additives, a + clean bill of health. + Granted, the FDA has set forth an ""acceptable daily intake"" of + 50 milligrams of aspartame per kilogram of body weight. To exceed + the limit, however, a 120-pound (55 kg.) woman would have to take + in 2,750 milligrams of aspartame -- the amount in 15 cans of + aspartame-sweetened soda pop, 14 cups of gelatin, 22 cups of yogurt, + or 55 six-ounce servings of aspartame-containing hot cocoa,... + A 175-pound (80 kg.) man would have to consume some 4,000 milligrams + of the sweetener -- the amount in 22 cans of soda pop or 32 cups + of yogurt -- to go over the limit. [chart with aspartame content + of selected foods omitted] + Only one small group of people must be certain to stay away + from aspartame: those born with a rare metabolic disorder called + phenylketonuria, or PKU. The estimated one person in every 12,000 + to 15,000 who has it is unable to properly metabolize an essential + amino acid in aspartame called phenylalanine. Once a child + consumes it, it builds up in the body and can ultimately cause + such severe problems as mental retardation. To help people with + PKU avoid the substance, labels on cans of soda pop and other + aspartame-sweetened foods must carry the warning ""Phenylketonurics: + Contains Phenylalanine."" + + +-Rich Young (These are not Kodak's opinions.) + +";4;True +"From: magney@cco.caltech.edu (Michael Agney) +Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is +Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena +Lines: 25 +NNTP-Posting-Host: lloyd.caltech.edu + +kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy) writes: + +>In article <1993Apr15.010329.23133@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> kcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Keith ""Justified And Ancient"" Cochran) writes: +>>[Followups set out of talk.abortion...] +>> +>>In article cobb@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Mike Cobb) writes: +>>>Am I reading this thread wrong or is this just another bemoaning of the fact +>>>that Christianity has a code of objective morality? +>> +>>Please define this ""objective morality"". +>> +>>While you're at it, please state the theory of creationism. + +>Still searching for an irrelevant issue in which to mire a pro-lifer, I see. +>Slimy tactic. + +> - Kevin + +Well, when you crosspost to talk.origins, what do you expect? + +-- +| Michael Agney | Just because you're paranoid | +| | doesn't mean they're not out | +| | to get you. | +| magney@cco.caltech.edu | | +";19;True +"From: reznik@robios5.me.wisc.edu (Dan S Reznik) +Subject: Text field in dialog widget doesn't get focus +Organization: College of Engineering, Univ. Of Wisconsin-Madison +Originator: reznik@robios5.me.wisc.edu +Lines: 49 + +I am using the GLX widget + athena widgets on a mixed-model +application, under 4Dwm, but when the dialog gets popped up, its +text entry field does not have focus. Aimilar code works perfectly if +I use ""pure X"" (no mixed-model). HEre is the relevant portion of +the code. + +{ + int n; + Arg wargs[16]; + Widget Button, PopUpShell, Dialog; + + /* initialize TopLevel here */ + . + . + . + + n = 0; + XtSetArg(wargs[n], XtNlabel, ""Foo""); n++; + Button = XtCreateManagedWidget(""FooBtn"", commandWidgetClass, + TopLevel, wargs, n); + + PopUpShell = XtCreatePopupShell(""PupShell"", overrideShellWidgetClass, + Button, NULL, 0); + XtAddCallback(PopUpShell, XtNcallback, MyPopUp, (XtPointer)PopUpShell); + + n = 0; + XtSetArg(wargs[n], XtNvalue, """"); n++; + Dialog = XtCreateManagedWidget(""TheDialog"", dialogWidgetClass, + PopUpShell, wargs, n); + + . + . + . +} + +void MyPopUp(w, popup_shell, call_data) +Widget w; +Widget popup_shell; +XtPointer call_data; +{ + XtPopup(popup_shell, XtGrabExclusive); +} + +--- + +A way I found to give focus to the text field is to move the +application window around a little bit and place it right behind the popup. + +Any pointers would be greatly appreciated. +";12;True +"Subject: Re: Value of Kathy St.Pat'sDay stand? +From: bjbartlett@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Bart) +Organization: Shady Rest Home +Lines: 10 + +In article , dsblack@iastate.edu (Vilkata TDK) writes: +> I heard on one of these newsgroups a week or two ago that the Kathy Ireland +> Budweiser posters were popular. There are supposedly half-size and life-size +> posters. Well, someone I know got a life-size stand-up cardboard (thick, damn +> good quality) one, and was wondering what it was worth. Anybody? + + What about the St. Pat. posters from last year? I have a stack of about +twenty, and two of the card-board cutouts. (No, they are NOT for sale, I +collect them.) + +";8;True +"From: ci513@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tom Kelly) +Subject: MGNOC ADDRESS? +Article-I.D.: usenet.1prsuk$hvl +Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) +Lines: 6 +NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu + + + +If anyone has the current Moto Guzzi National Owners Club +address please e-mail it to me. Thanks in advance! +T.K. +-- +";7;True +"From: darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Fred Rice) +Subject: Re: Slavery (was Re: Why is sex only allowed in marriage:...) +Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia. +Lines: 208 + +In <1993Apr4.200253.21409@ennews.eas.asu.edu> guncer@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Selim Guncer ) writes: + +>You might not like what Bernard Lewis writes about, label him +>as a Zionist or such to discredit him etc. + +You misrepresent me, Selim. The hard evidence for my statements about +his lack of objectivity are presented quite clearly in the book +""Orientalism"" by Edward Said. Edward Said, by the way, is a Christian, +not a Muslim. + +>I think he is +>pretty much objective in his treatment in ""Race and Slavery in +>the Middle East"", since he clearly distinguishes between +>slavery under Islam, and the practice of slavery in other countries, +>like the US prior to the civil war. He also does not conceal +>that there are verses in the Quran which promote the liberation +>of slaves. What he doesn't, and I don't think nobody can, +>deduce from these verses is that slavery will eventually be +>abolished in Islamic countries. Now you might, rather conveniently, +>blame the practice of slavery on Muslims, but the facts are out +>there. I also fail to see the relevance of the claim of Lewis being +>a ""Zionist"" to what I wrote. + +Regarding Bernard Lewis: + +Him being a Zionist gives him a political motive for his +giving misrepresentations and half-truths about Islam. + +Read ""Orientalism"" by Edward Said -- see the evidence for yourself. + +In fact, I may post some of it here (if it isn't too long). + +>They were encyclopaedic information +>which anybody can access - that slavery was abolished at certain +>dates some 1200 years after Muhammed, that this was the cause +>of tensions in the Ottoman empire between the Arab slave traders +>and the government etc.. We also have in the ASU library volumes +>of British documents on slavery where reports and documents +>concerning slavery all around the world can be found, which I +>checked some of the incidents Lewis mentions. So I don't think +>ones political stance has anything to do with documentary evidence. + +I haven't read Lewis's article, so I can't comment directly upon it, and +have only spoken about his writings _in general_ so far, that his +political motives make him a biased writer on Islam. His anti-Islamic +polemics, as I understand it, are often quite subtle and are often based +on telling half-truths. + +Again, read ""Orientalism"" by Edward Said. I am _not_ asking you to take +what I say on trust, in fact I am urging you not to do so but to get +this book (it is a well-known book) and check the evidence out for +_yourself_. + +>The issue I raised was that slaves WERE USED FOR SEXUAL PURPOSES, +>when it was claimed that Islam prohibits extra-marital sex. +>I wrote that the Prophet himself had concubines, I wrote an +>incident in which the prophet advised on someone who did not +>want his concubine to get pregnant etc., which is contrary +>to the notion that ""sex is for procreation only"". In other +>words, such claims are baseless in the Quran and the Hadith. + +If slavery is _in reality_ (as opposed to in the practice of some +Muslims) opposed by Islam, then using slaves for sexual +purposes is necessarily opposed too. + +>I seem to be unsuccesful in getting through to you. Islam is +>not ""advocating"" slavery. Slavery was an existing institution in the +>7th century. It advised on slaves being freed for good +>deeds etc., which is nothing new. Many cultures saw this as a +>good thing. What is the problem here? But I can argue rightfully +>that slaves were discouraged about thinking about their statuses +>politically - the Quran rewards the good slave, so obey your +>master and perhaps one day you'll be free. But, it is very +>understandable that I do not communicate with Muslims, since +>they assume the Quran is from a ""God"", and I think it is a rule-based +>system imposed on the society for preservation of the status quo. +>Slaves are a part of this system, the subordination of women +>so that their function in society boils down to child-making +>is a part of this system, etc. + +I understand your point of view, Selim -- I think, rather, it is _us_ +who are not getting through to _you_. + +Some of the points you repeat above I have already answered before. + +Regarding women, I have made posting after posting on this subject, +showing that Islam is not anti-woman, etc. However, have you been +completely ignoring my postings or just missing them? I just reposted a +very good one, under the title ""Islam and Women"", reposted from +soc.religion.islam. If this has already disappeared from your site, +then please email me telling me so and I will email you a copy of this +excellent article. + +IMHO, your understanding of the issue of women in Islam is sadly deficient. + +Regarding slaves, _my_ posting on slavery -- the second one I made, +which is a repost of an article I wrote early last year -- is based +completely on the Qur'an and contains numerous Qur'anic verses and +hadiths to support its point of view. + +Our approaches are different -- you are arguing from a historical +standpoint and I am arguing directly from the teachings of the Qur'an +and hadiths. Now, just because people say they are Muslims and perform +a particular action, does that automatically mean that their action is +part of Islam, even if it is opposed by the Qur'an and Sunnah? No! Of +course not. + +Let me give you a concrete example, which might help clarify this for +you. The Qur'an prohibits drinking. Now, if a person says ""I am a +Muslim"" and then proceeds to drink a bottle of beer, does this now mean +that Islam teaches that people should drink beer? Of course not, and +only an idiot would think so. + +Do you see my point? + +>It is very natural to think that +>the author/authors of the Quran had no idea that the socio-economic +>structure they were advocating would experience at least two paradigm +>shifts in 1400 years in the western cultures - first with the end of +>the feudal era and the rise of commerce, second with the industrial +>revolution. Well, rules have changed and the status quo has driven +>Muslim countries into misery trying to survive in a ""heathen"" world. +>Muslim countries have failed economically, they were unable to +>accumulate any wealth - directly due to the uncomprimising economic +>rules in the Quran. In fact, the rise of Islam can easily be modeled +>after the pyramid effect - you do not produce any wealth at home, +>but increase your wealth by conquering places. + +You are judging Islam here on capitalist terms. Capitalism is an +ideology based largely on the assumption that people want to maximise +their wealth -- this assumption is in opposition to Islamic teachings. +To say Islam is bad because it is not capitalist is pretty unthinking -- +Islam does not pretend to be capitalist and does not try to be +capitalist. (This does not mean that Islam does not support a +free-market -- for it does in general -- but there are other parts of +capitalism which are opposed to Islam as I understand it.) + +>When this stopped, +>you (and I) were left bare in the open for emperialists to devour. +>No capital, no industry, very poor social services - the education +>level in Muslim countries are the lowest in the world, the health +>statistics are miserable etc.. + +One can postulate numerous reasons for this. Your theory is that it is +because Islam is not secularist and capitalist, etc. etc. + +Selim, I will give you a clear historical example to show you the +fallacy of your views if you think (as you obviously do) that +Islam => lack of education and power. + +For a large part of history, the Islamic world was very powerful. For a +significant section of history, the Islamic world was the foremost in +the sciences. So to say that Islam is, for example, anti-education is +completely absurd. You try to blame this situation on Islam -- history +shows that your conclusion is false and that, instead, there must be +other reasons for this situation. + +>You blame Muslims for not following the Quran, but I blame Muslims +>for following the Quran. + +Well, Selim, your viewpoint on women in Islam makes me question the extent +of your knowledge of Islam. I really think you are not +knowledgeable enough to be able to judge whether the Muslims are +following the Qur'an or not. + +>Your idea is baseless from historical +>facts, it is a poor utopia, + +The Islamic world was at the forefront of the world in science at one +stage -- yet somehow, in your theory, it is by ""following the Qur'an"" +that Muslims are backwards in education. Selim, it is _your_ thesis +that is anti-historical, for you conveniently overlook this historical +fact which contradicts your theory. + +>while my ideas are derived from social +>and economic history. + +You have certainly not shown this; you have merely stated it. +So far, it seems to me that your view on Islam being anti-education is +quite contrary to history. That you are so convinced of your views +makes me wonder just how objectively you are trying to look at all of +this. + +>My solution to all Muslims is simple: +>CUT THE CRAP, + +I think, Selim, you should consider taking your own advice. + +>GET THE FACTS STRAIGHT + +Here too. + +>AND WORK HARD TO REVERSE +>THE EFFECTS OF 1300 YEARS OF IGNORANCE. + +Selim, you have such conviction of your viewpoint, yet you demonstrate +ignorance, not only of Islam but also of Islamic history (particularly +with respect to Muslims being leaders of science till about 1400 or so I +think). Yet you say that your viewpoint is based on history! + +Selim, if I remember right, you say in one of your earlier posts that +you are an apostate from Islam. I think you should slow down and start +thinking clearly about the issues, and start _reading_ some of our +postings about Islam rather than ignoring them as you so obviously +have. + + Fred Rice + darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au +";9;True +"From: willis@oracle.SCG.HAC.COM (Stan Willis) +Subject: Re: Schedule... +Reply-To: willis@empire.dnet.hac.com (Stan Willis) +Organization: none +Lines: 18 + +In article <121411@netnews.upenn.edu> kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Keith Keller) writes: +>In article <1qup1lINNotb@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> swartzjh@RoseVC.Rose-Hulman.Edu writes: +>F**king *NO* hockey games televised nationally tonight! What the hell is +>this??? Why the hell is ESPN showing some stupid baseball game, when +>baseball is not even three weeks into the season and hockey is in the +>playoffs??? No, wait, I know the answer: $$$$$$ But still! It really +. +. +. + +ESPN had the Houston Astros @ Chicago Cubs game scheduled for last night on the +west coast. + +Since the game was rained out, they showed the Toronto Maple Leafs at the +Detroit Red Wings game instead. + +Stan Willis +net contact: LA Kings +";13;True +"From: jpb@calmasd.Prime.COM (Jan Bielawski) +Subject: Re: Clipper Chip. LONG follow up. +Organization: Computervision, San Diego, CA +Lines: 34 + +In article <1993Apr20.030538.1@cc.curtin.edu.au> zrepachol@cc.curtin.edu.au (Paul Repacholi) writes: +<> +<> QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS ABOUT THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION'S +<> TELECOMMUNICATIONS INITIATIVE +<> +<> Q: Suppose a law enforcement agency is conducting a wiretap on +<> a drug smuggling ring and intercepts a conversation +<> encrypted using the device. What would they have to do to +<> decipher the message? +<> +<> A: They would have to obtain legal authorization, normally a +<> court order, to do the wiretap in the first place. They +<> would then present documentation of this authorization to +<> the two entities responsible for safeguarding the keys and +<> obtain the keys for the device being used by the drug +<> smugglers. The key is split into two parts, which are +<> stored separately in order to ensure the security of the key +<> escrow system. + +I apologize for being so dense but this sentence reads as if it +was lifted from a Luis Bunuel screenplay. Am I missing something? +Why on earth would drug smugglers even _use_ the device then? +Obviously, they'll be using something like triple encryption DES instead. +As long as alternatives to Clipper remain legal, Clipper accomplishes +absolutely nothing, ZERO, as far as law enforcement is concerned. +The whole scheme is an absolute, total, incredible, waste of government +time and money AS LONG AS other encryption schemes that are any good +remain legal. In order for Clipper to work as intended all strong +cryptosystems have to be outlawed. + + Jan Bielawski + Computervision, San Diego + jpb@calmasd.prime.com + +";16;True +"From: dfr@ioc.co.uk (Doug Rabson) +Subject: VESA local bus +Lines: 7 +Nntp-Posting-Host: rhino.ioc.co.uk +Organization: Intelligent Office Company Ltd. + +Is it possible to plug an ordinary ISA card into a VESA localbus slot? +I am running out of slots and I have one spare localbus slot. + +-- +Doug Rabson, IOC Ltd. | Email: dfr@ioc.co.uk +Phone: +44 81 528 9864 | drabson@cix.compulink.co.uk +Fax: +44 81 528 9878 | +";5;True +"From: games@max.u.washington.edu +Subject: SSTO Senatorial (aide) breifing recollections. +Article-I.D.: max.1993Apr6.125512.1 +Distribution: world +Lines: 78 +NNTP-Posting-Host: max.u.washington.edu + +The following are my thoughts on a meeting that I, Hugh Kelso, and Bob Lilly +had with an aide of Sen. Patty Murrays. We were there to discuss SSTO, and +commercial space. This is how it went... + + + +After receiving a packet containing a presentation on the benifits of SSTO, +I called and tried to schedule a meeting with our local Senator (D) Patty +Murray, Washington State. I started asking for an hour, and when I heard +the gasp on the end of the phone, I quickly backed off to 1/2 an hour. +Later in that conversation, I learned that a standard appointment is 15 minutes. + +We got the standard bozo treatment. That is, we were called back by an aide, +who scheduled a meeting with us, in order to determine that we were not +bozos, and to familiarize himself with the material, and to screen it, to +make sure that it was appropriate to take the senators time with that material. + +Well, I got allocated 1/2 hour with Sen. Murrays aide, and we ended up talking +to him for 45 minutes, with us ending the meeting, and him still listening. +We covered a lot of ground, and only a little tiny bit was DCX specific. +Most of it was a single stage reusable vehicle primer. There was another +woman there who took copius quantities of notes on EVERY topic that +we brought up. + +But, with Murray being new, we wanted to entrench ourselves as non-corporate +aligned (I.E. not speaking for boeing) local citizens interentested in space. +So, we spent a lot of time covering the benifits of lower cost access to +LEO. Solar power satellites are a big focus here, so we hit them as becoming +feasible with lower cost access, and we hit the environmental stand on that. +We hit the tourism angle, and I left a copy of the patric Collins Tourism +paper, with side notes being that everyone who goes into space, and sees the +atmosphere becomes more of an environmentalist, esp. after SEEING the smog +over L.A. We hit on the benifits of studying bone decalcification (which is +more pronounced in space, and said that that had POTENTIAL to lead to +understanding of, and MAYBE a cure for osteoporosis. We hit the education +whereby kids get enthused by space, but as they get older and find out that +they havent a hop in hell of actually getting there, they go on to other +fields, with low cost to orbit, the chances they might get there someday +would provide greater incentive to hit the harder classes needed. + +We hit a little of the get nasa out of the operational launch vehicle business +angle. We hit the lower cost of satellite launches, gps navigation, personal +communicators, tellecommunications, new services, etc... Jobs provided +in those sectors. + +Jobs provided building the thing, balance of trade improvement, etc.. +We mentioned that skypix would benifit from lower launch costs. + +We left the paper on what technologies needed to be invested in in order +to make this even easier to do. And he asked questions on this point. + +We ended by telling her that we wanted her to be aware that efforts are +proceeding in this area, and that we want to make sure that the +results from these efforts are not lost (much like condor, or majellan), +and most importantly, we asked that she help fund further efforts along +the lines of lowering the cost to LEO. + +In the middle we also gave a little speal about the Lunar Resource Data +Purchase act, and the guy filed it separately, he was VERY interested in it. +He asked some questions about it, and seemed like he wanted to jump on it, +and contact some of the people involved with it, so something may actually +happen immediatly there. + +The last two things we did were to make sure that they knew that we +knew a lot of people in the space arena here in town, and that they +could feel free to call us any time with questions, and if we didn't know +the answers, that we would see to it that they questions got to people who +really did know the answers. + +Then finally, we asked for an appointment with the senator herself. He +said that we would get on the list, and he also said that knowing her, this +would be something that she would be very interested in, although they +do have a time problem getting her scheduled, since she is only in the +state 1 week out of 6 these days. + +All in all we felt like we did a pretty good job. + + John. +";2;True +"From: maarten@fwi.uva.nl (Maarten Carels) +Subject: Re: SIMM vs DRAM +Nntp-Posting-Host: mail.fwi.uva.nl +Organization: FWI, University of Amsterdam +Lines: 16 + +Arthur.Greene@p6.f204.n2603.z1.fidonet.org (Arthur Greene) writes: +>Can anyone tell me what the difference is between a 256K DRAM chip and a +>256K SIMM? I need the former (I think) to add memory to my Laserwriter +>LS. Someone is offering to sell me 256K SIMMS he removed from an SE, but +>I have a feeling this may not be the correct form of memory. The sockets +>in the Laserwriter look like they want the spidery-shaped chips (there +>are 4 sockets, each with, as I recall, 20 pins, arranged in two rows of 10). +>Believe it or not, I've never actually seen a SIMM. Help appreciated. +A SIMM is a small PCB with DRAM chips soldered on. + +--maarten +-- +In real life: Maarten Carels + Computer Science Department + University of Amsterdam +email: maarten@fwi.uva.nl +";0;True +"From: rwalls@twg.com (Roger Walls) +Subject: Re: Boom! Dog attack! +Organization: The Wollongong Group, Palo Alto, CA +Lines: 25 + +In article viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) writes: +>ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau) writes: +> +>mere 20mph or so, gravel road with few loose rocks on it (as in, +>just like bad concrete), and 2200lbs of swinging beef jumped a +>fence, came out of the ditch, and rammed me! When I saw her jump +>the fence I went for the gas, since she was about 20 feet ahead +>of me but a good forty to the side. Damn cow literally chased me +>down and nailed me. No damage to cow, a bent case guard and a +>severely annoyed rider were the only casualties. If I had my +>shotgun I'd still be eating steak. Nope, if 2200lbs of cow +>can hit me when I'm actively evading, forget a much more +>manueverable dog. Just run them over. +> + +One day out riding, my friend and i were passing a field of goats and +noticed 2 out on the road. As we slowed to pass the ram made a dash at +my friend just missing him and then tangling it self up in the barb wire +fence. Being good samaritains and generally nice guys we turned around to +untrangle the goat from the barbed wire. As I pulled up next to him +(seeing him still tangled up), stopped the bike and got off the Goat had +vanished (into the field I guess). + + Jolly Roger + +";7;True +"From: jejones@microware.com (James Jones) +Subject: Re: Rumours about 3DO ??? +Nntp-Posting-Host: snake +Organization: Microware Systems Corp., Des Moines, Iowa +Lines: 19 + +In article <1993Apr15.164940.11632@mercury.unt.edu> Sean McMains writes: +>In article <1993Apr15.144843.19549@rchland.ibm.com> Ricardo Hernandez +>Muchado, ricardo@rchland.vnet.ibm.com writes: +>> And CD-I's CPU doesn't help much either. I understand it is +>>a 68070 (supposedly a variation of a 68000/68010) running at something +>>like 7Mhz. With this speed, you *truly* need sprites. +> +>Wow! A 68070! I'd be very interested to get my hands on one of these, +>especially considering the fact that Motorola has not yet released the +>68060, which is supposedly the next in the 680x0 lineup. 8-D + +Don't get too excited; Signetics, not Motorola, gave the 68070 its number. +The 68070, if I understand rightly, uses the 68000 instruction set, and has +an on-chip serial port and DMA. (It will run at up to 15 MHz--I'm typing +at a computer using a 68070 running at that rate, so I know that it can +do so--so I seriously doubt the clock rate that ricardo@rchland.vnet.ibm.com +claims.) + + James Jones +";1;True +"From: pmalenfa@kitkat.webo.dg.com (Paul Malenfant) +Subject: Optoisolator interfacing questions +Reply-To: pmalenfa@kitkat.webo.dg.com (Paul Malenfant) +Organization: Data General Corporation, Westboro, MA +Lines: 26 + + +I am interfacing some simple circuits that run on 9V to my +cpu board which runs at 5-6V. The optoisolator is a 4N35. +On the led side, I put the signal I want through a 10k resistor +to the base of a 2N2222. On the transistor side, I tie my +cpu input line to the collector which has a pull-up resistor +of 47k. + +It functions OK, but seems VERY slow. I can detect pulses +that occur at about 2kHz, but not much faster. Isn't the +rise/fall time of this device, something like 5uS? I should +be able to detect my target of 40kHz, but I can't get 16kHz. +This is done using wire-wrap and the wires going to the cpu +and to the test pin are about 8 inches long, but I'm not +doing anything high-speed. + +In the Art of Electronics, it mentions tying the base of the +phototransistor to ground through a resistor to improve the +speed. Is that what I need to do? How do I calculate the +resistor value? + + +-- + +Paul Malenfant +pmalenfa @ kitkat.webo.dg.com (508-870-6460) +";11;True +"Subject: Let it be Known +From: +Organization: Brigham Young University +Lines: 10 + +I would like to make everyone aware that in winning the NL West the Atlanta +Braves did not lead wire-to-wire. Through games of 4/14/93 the Houston +Astros are percentage points ahead of the ""unbeatable"" Braves. + + +Go Astros!!!!! + +Byron T. Lee +A Native Texan +Stuck in Utah +";14;True +"Subject: Re: Monitor Shut-down on 13"" Hi-Res +From: sadams@eis.calstate.edu (Steven Adams) +Organization: Calif State Univ/Electronic Information Services +Lines: 34 + +Just my luck. I did however call my local Apple dealer and he said that +the he thinks the serial numbers of the machines that are covered begin +with either 70 or 53-56, and maybe one other. He also told me that Apple +had extended the service on these serial numbers for another year!!! + +So there is still hope - Get those monitor in!! + + +jeffh@ludwig.cc.uoregon.edu (Jeff Hite ) writes: +> In article <1993Apr15.183527.3365@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu> +> hew@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu writes: +> > THere is a defect in the 13"" hi-res monitors, bring it to a dealer and +> > they will replace the flyback for free, I think. +> > +> > +> > I just heard of this problem at work today and we are fixing +> > them for free. +> > +> > +> > ________________ +> > - / o r r +> +> The service notice on the 13"" hi-res monitors expired 3/23/93 after this +> date Apple will NOT reimburse service providers for the fix (replacement +> of the hi-voltage capacitor). All you folks that have been putting up with +> intermittant shutdowns without getting it to your service provider missed +> out on the freebie. It was in force for a year. If you got it free after +> 3/23, you got a deal... +> Jeff Hite +> Computing Center +> U of Oregon +> jeffh@ludwig.cc.uoregon.edu + +-- +";0;True +"From: vanderby@mprgate.mpr.ca (David Vanderbyl) +Subject: Re: Power, signal surges in home... +Nntp-Posting-Host: chip +Reply-To: vanderby@mprgate.mpr.ca (David Vanderbyl) +Organization: MPR Teltech Ltd. +Lines: 10 + +drand@spinner.osf.org (Douglas S. Rand) writes: + +> Hams can legally run up to 1500 watts. It is very unlikely, however, +> that a ham would be running that kind of power from a car. +> +>Not possible either. You'd need about a 300 amp alternator for +>just the amplifier. + +It is too possible. As the original poster said ""it is very unlikely"" +but definately possible. (Can you say batteries?) +";11;True +"From: jvl@idca.tds.philips.nl (Jan van Loenen) +Subject: Re: Diamond SS24X, Win 3.1, Mouse cursor +Lines: 47 + +dabl2@nlm.nih.gov (Don A.B. Lindbergh) writes: + +>In article <1993Apr15.204845.24939@nlm.nih.gov> dabl2@nlm.nih.gov (Don A.B. Lindbergh) writes: +>> +>>Anybody seen mouse cursor distortion running the Diamond 1024x768x256 driver? +>>Sorry, don't know the version of the driver (no indication in the menus) but it's a recently +>>delivered Gateway system. Am going to try the latest drivers from Diamond BBS but wondered +>>if anyone else had seen this. +>> +>As a followup, this is a co-worker's machine. He has the latest 2.03 drivers. +>It only happens using the 1024x768x256 driver. Sometimes it takes a minute +>or so for the cursor to wig out, but it eventually does in this mode. I +>susect something is stepping on memory the video card wants. I excluded +>a000-c7ff in the EMM386 line and in system.ini The problem persisted. +>Perhaps it is something specific to the Gateway machine or it's components. +>It is a 66mhz DX/2 Eisa bus with an Ultrastore (24xx?) controller. Ah well, +>I was hoping this was some kind of 'known problem' or somebody had seen it +>before. Perhaps a call to Gateway is in order, but I do find folks here +>usually are far more in the know. + +I have (had) several problems with the card. +- Applications crashed when moving the mouse (VGA mode). Fixed by removing + the line STACKS=0,0 from config.sys. The default value STACKS=9,256 + does just fine. +- Random white pixels all over the screen when moving the mouse, in a + 256 color graphical mode (the hardware cursor modes). Fixed by turning + off the hardware scroll (""24xmode scrolloff"") before entering the graphics + mode. This also fixed the problem of the windowed DOS boxes under windows. + With the hardware scroll enabled, applications write garbage outside the + window. +- The screensavers do not remove the cursor in 256 color modes (hardware + cursor). I don't know if this is a windows problem or a driver problem. + Clearly there should be two types of cursor removing functions: a remove- + for-draw, which can be ignored for hardware cursors and a remove- + unconditionally. Do other cards with hardware cursors have the same problem? +- The VESA driver does not support the 640x480x16M TrueColor mode. (Universal + VESA drivers do not run at all). + +----------- +DISCLAIMER: Unless otherwise stated, the above comments are entirely my own. + _____________ _____ + / /\ __ __/ /\ +/____________/ \/ /\ / /____/ \ Jan van Loenen +\________ \ /_/ \/_/\ \ \_____ Digital Equipment Corporation + /____/ \ \ \ \ /\ \/\ \ / /\ jvl@idca.tds.philips.nl + \ \/_\ \/\ \/_/ / \ \/____/ / HLDE01::LOENEN_J + \___________/ \____/ \_________\/ +";6;True +"From: dsou@btma57.nohost.nodomain +Subject: Speedstar 24X & Windows Enhanced Mode +Reply-To: dsou@btma57.nohost.nodomain () +Lines: 17 +Nntp-Posting-Host: 7.597 + + +Hi, + +I have a 486/66MHz SYS based PC with 8M RAM and a problem. + +What is the best way to configure high memory with QEMM/386MAX ?? +I have a SPEEDSTAR 24X video card and use Hyperdisk disk cache +software. The problem is running Windows 3.1 in Enhanced mode and +having any high memory to load stuff high? + +Note : +I tried, as recommended to exclude the region A000-C7FF but Windows +insists on starting in Standard mode. + +Any suggestions? + +Dan +";6;True +"From: karl@anasazi.com (Karl Dussik) +Subject: Re: Dana-Faber Cancer Institute +Organization: Anasazi, Inc. Phoenix, Arizona USA +Keywords: Dana-Faber Cancer Institute +Lines: 13 + +In article <1993Apr14.090306.3352@etek.chalmers.se> e2salim@etek.chalmers.se (Salim Chagan) writes: +> Can anyone send me the adress to +> Dana-Faber Cancer Institute in Boston, USA. + ^^ missing ""r"" + +Dana-Farber Cancer Institute +44 Binney Street +Boston, MA 02115 + +(617)732-3000 + +Karl Dussik +(""Alumnus"" - Department of Biostatistics and Epidemiology, 1983-1986) +";4;True +"From: marca@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Marc Andreessen) +Subject: NCSA Mosaic for X 1.0 available. +X-Md4-Signature: b912a4b59c6065f2e86a15751149a3f2 +Organization: Nat'l Center for Supercomputing Applications +Lines: 79 + +Version 1.0 of NCSA Mosaic for the X Window System, a networked +information systems and World Wide Web browser, is hereby released: + +file://ftp.ncsa.uiuc.edu/Mosaic/xmosaic-source/xmosaic-1.0.tar.Z + .../xmosaic-binaries/xmosaic-sun.Z + .../xmosaic-binaries/xmosaic-sgi.Z + .../xmosaic-binaries/xmosaic-ibm.Z + .../xmosaic-binaries/xmosaic-dec.Z + .../xmosaic-binaries/xmosaic-alpha.Z + .../xmosaic-diffs/xmosaic-0.13-1.0-diffs.Z + +NCSA Mosaic provides a consistent and easy-to-use hypermedia-based +interface into a wide variety of networked information sources, +including Gopher, WAIS, World Wide Web, NNTP/Usenet news, Techinfo, +FTP, local filesystems, Archie, finger, Hyper-G, HyTelnet, TeXinfo, +telnet, tn3270, and more. + +This release of NCSA Mosaic is known to compile on the following +platforms: + + SGI (IRIX 4.0.2) + IBM (AIX 3.2) + Sun 4 (SunOS 4.1.3 with stock X11R4 and Motif 1.1, and GCC). + DEC Ultrix. + DEC Alpha AXP (OSF/1). + +Documentation is available online. + +Changes since 0.13 include: + + o Added new resource, gethostbynameIsEvil, for Sun's that + coredump when gethostbyname() is called to try to find out what + their own names are. (Command-line flag is -ghbnie.) + o Explicitly pop down all dialog boxes when document view + window is closed, for window managers too dull to do so + themselves. + o Better visited anchor color for non-SGI's. + o Added .hqx and .uu to list of file extensions handled like .tar files. + o Added 'Clear' button to Open box, to allow more convenient + cut-n-paste entries of URL's. + o New resource 'autoPlaceWindows'; if set to False, new document + view windows will not be automatically positioned by the + program itself (but it's still up to your window manager just how + they're placed). + o Command-line flags -i and -iconic now have desired effect (new + resource initialWindowIconic can also be used). + o Gif-reading code is a little more bulletproof. + o Obscure infinite loop triggered by extra space in IMG tag fixed. + o Eliminated nonintuitive error message when image can't be read + (inlined NCSA bitmap is indication enough that something's not + right for authors, and readers can't do anything about bad images + in any case). + o Obscure parsing bug (for constructs like
text
) fixed. + o Fixed mysterious stupid coredump that only hits Suns. + o Fixed stupid coredump on URL's like '://cbl.leeds.ac.uk/'. + o Fixed buglet in handling rlogin URL's. + o New support for Solaris/SYSVR4 (courtesy + dana@thumper.bellcore.com). + o Better support for HP-UX 8.x and 9.x (courtesy + johns@hpwarf.wal.hp.com). + o Better support for NeXT (courtesy scott@shrug.dur.ac.uk). + o Some miscellaneous portability fixes (courtesy + bingle@cs.purdue.edu). + o Miscellaneous bug fixes and cleanups. + +Comments, questions, and bug reports should be sent to +mosaic-x@ncsa.uiuc.edu. Thanks in advance for any feedback you can +provide. + +Cheers, +Marc + +-- +-- +Marc Andreessen +Software Development Group +National Center for Supercomputing Applications +marca@ncsa.uiuc.edu +";12;True +"From: ravin@eecg.toronto.edu (Govindan Ravindran) +Subject: decoupling caps - onboard +Organization: Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering, University of Toronto +Lines: 10 + +(posted for a friend) +hello there, + I would like to know if any one had any experience with having +on-board decoupling capacitors (inside a cmos chip) for the power +lines. Say I have a lot of space left im my pad limited design. +any data on the effect of oxide breakdown? any info or pointers +are appreciated. + +rs + +";11;True +"From: jdolske@andy.bgsu.edu (justin dolske) +Subject: Re: Wanted ISA mouse port with high interrupt +Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh. +Distribution: na +Lines: 32 + +lyourk@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (Loran N. Yourk) writes: +> +> With a sound card on interrupt 5, two serial ports (one for modem on i4, +> one for Miracle Piano on i3) and a printer port on i7, I have run out of +> low interrupts. What I would like is a mouse port with an interrupt of +> 10, 11, or 12 (which ever interrupt the PS/2 mouse port uses) in in ISA +> i486 computer. I called technical support of Microsoft, Logitech, & ATI +> (checked what interrupts the mouse port on the ATI video cards can use) +> and they all said the only interrupts possible on these cards was ones +> lower than 7. Does anyone know of any board for an ISA bus which will +> allow a mouse port (or even a serial port) with high interrupts? + + Try putting one of the IRQs for your COM ports onto IRQ2. The hardware will +automagically wrap IRQ2 to IRQ9 on AT class machines (eg, anything with high +IRQs). This is what I'm doing on my set up right now. + I've got COM2 on IRQ2 (really IRQ9 - address it this way in software), COM1 +on IRQ3, SoundBlaster on IRQ5, LPT1 on IRQ7, and my ATI BusMouse port on one of +the interrupts in between. Works just great. + If you need even more, there's a text file floating around somewhere that +details how to hack up any serial card (and probably any others) to work on the +higher IRQs. It basically involves cutting the trace to the low IRQ and running a wire over the a high IRQ pin on the 16bit expansion bus. + + It will be best to put the modem's COM port onto IRQ2/9. This will be the + +first IRQ serviced by the system, giving the modem a better response -- +especially handy under multitaskers like OS/2 -- which I'm running with no +problems. + +Justin +--- +jdolske@andy.bgsu.edu + +";5;True +"From: Robert Everett Brunskill +Subject: Re: $$$ to fix TRACKBALL +Organization: Freshman, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA +Lines: 5 +NNTP-Posting-Host: po2.andrew.cmu.edu +In-Reply-To: <93105.152944BR4416A@auvm.american.edu> + +The little blue roller on the trackball interior is probably rubbing +against its support, just push it down the pin so that it no longer +touches it. I had a similar problem. + +Rob +";0;True +"From: rscharfy@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ryan C Scharfy) +Subject: Re: If Drugs Should Be Legalized, How? (was Good Neighbor...) +Nntp-Posting-Host: magnusug.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu +Organization: The Ohio State University +Lines: 22 + +In article <1qpakjINNiq2@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> wdstarr@athena.mit.edu (Wil +liam December Starr) writes: +> +>In article <1993Apr16.171354.3127@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, +>rscharfy@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ryan C Scharfy) said: +> +>> However, legalizing it and just sticking some drugs in gas stations to +>> be bought like cigarettes is just plain silly. Plus, I have never +>> heard of a recommended dosage for drugs like crack, ecstasy, chrystal +>> meth and LSD. The 60 Minute Report said it worked with ""cocaine"" +>> cigarettes, pot and heroin. +> +>Or, the government could adopt the radical and probably unAmerican idea +>that citizens are free to live their lives as they wish, and simply +>decriminalize cocaine, marijuana, heroin, LSD, etc. Please explain why +>the idea of allowing recreational drugs to be ""bought like cigarettes"" +>is ""just plain silly."" After all, it works just fine for nicotine... +> + +Yeah, Cancer is pretty cool, isn't it. + +Ryan +";18;True +"From: mlipsie@rdm09.std.com (Mike Lipsie MPU) +Subject: Re: Permanent Swap File +Organization: Mitsubishi Electric Research Laboratories, Inc. +Lines: 26 + +In article <1qlja7$i6b@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ak333@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Martin Linsenbigler) writes: +>> +>When I first setup windows using the self load mode It grabbed about +>20 megs of swap file space, my 120 meg HD was nearly empty at that time. +>I deleted windows for a time and recently reloaded, now my HD is nearly full +>and windows just took 4 megs. + +One of the rules for a permanent swap file is that it must be contiguous +(non-fragmented) space. I suspect that is more responsible for the +difference than the amount of free disk, in your case. + +>I have read somewhere that the best rule of thumb is have your +>permanent swap file the same size as your regular RAM size. I have 4 megs +>of RAM and windows took 4 meg perm swap file. Works very well. +>In fact with my available HD space, about 20 megs it won't let me make +>the swap file any bigger. +>You should change your virtual mem swap file to 8 megs I think +>that is what you said your RAM was. + +It depends on what you are running. We had to increase our swap +file (I think it is now 20MB) when some applications couldn't +run without *everything* else closed. + +-- +Mike Lipsie (work) mlipsie@ca.merl.com +Mitsubishi Electronic Research Laboratory (home) mikel@dosbears.UUCP +";6;True +"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) +Subject: Now, the Genocide of the Azeri Turks of x-Soviet Armenia and Karabag. +Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) +Distribution: world +Lines: 69 + +In article <1993Apr20.164517.20876@kpc.com> henrik@quayle.kpc.com writes: + +>At last, I hope that the U.S. insists that Turkey stay out of the KARABAKH +>crisis so that the repeat of the CYPRUS invasion WILL NEVER OCCUR again. + +Do you have a terminal cold? Karabag is 'Turkish' and will remain +'Turkish'. Here we are, almost at the end of the 20th century, and +a whole community, the Azeri Turks of x-Soviet Armenia and Karabag, +is facing forced assimilation, torture and murder on one hand and +forced exodus, expulsion and genocide on the other, all because +of their ethnic and religious background. And one should ask herself: +is the world community really so powerless? Where are all those human +rights advocates? Where are all the decent people? Are we going to +let this human tragedy go on and do nothing about it? The number +of Azeris murdered by the terrorist Armenian army and its savage +gangs is increasing. On the one hand they wish to distort the truth +and on the other, they beg mercy from Turkiye. + + The Age...Melbourne...6/3/92 + + By Helen WOMACK .... Agdam, Azerbaijan, Thursday + + The exact number of victims is still unclear, but there can be + little doubt that Azeri civilians were massacred by Armenian + fighters in the snowy mountains of Nagorno-Karabakh last week. + + Refugees from the enclave town of Khojaly, sheltering in the + Azeri border town of Agdam, give largely consistent accounts of + how their enemies attacked their homes on the night of 25 + February, chased those who fled and shot them in the + surrounding forests. Yesterday, I saw 75 freshly dug graves in + one cemetery in addition to four mutilated corpses we were + shown in the mosque when we arrived in Agdam late on Tuesday. I + also saw women and children with bullet wounds in a makeshift + hospital in a string of railway carriages. + + Khojaly, an Azeri settlement in the enclave mostly populated by + Armenians, had a population of about 6000. Mr. Rashid Mamedov + Commander of Police in Agdam, said only about 500 escaped to + his town. "" So where are the rest?"". Some might have taken + prisoner, he said, or fled. Many bodies were still lying in the + mountains because the Azeris were short of helicopters to + retrieve them. He believed more than 1000 had perished, some of + cold in temperatures as low as minus 10 degrees. + + One refugee, Rami Nasiru, described how Khojaly residents at + first thought the attack was no more than the routine shooting + to which they had become accustomed in four years of conflict. + But when they saw the Armenians with a convoy of armored + personnel carriers, they realised they could not hope to defend + themselves with machineguns and grenades, and fled into the + forests. In the small hours, the massacre started. + + Mr. Nasiru, who believes his wife and two children were taken + prisoner, repeated what many other refugees have said - that + troops of the former Soviet army helped the Armenians to attack + Khojaly. ""It is not my opinion, I saw it with my own eyes."" + + +Serdar Argic + + 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that + might serve as ways of escape for the Turks + and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' + (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) + 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists + a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) + + +";15;True +"From: choueiry@liasun1.epfl.ch (Berthe Y. Choueiry) +Subject: French to English translation of medical terms +Organization: Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne +Lines: 41 +NNTP-Posting-Host: liasun1.epfl.ch + +Dear Netters, + +I am not sure whether this is the right place to post my query, but I +thought there may be some bilingual physicians in this newsgroup that +could help. Please, excuse me for overloading the bandwidth. + +I am trying to build a resource allocation program for managing a +surgical operating unit in a hospital. The user interface is in +English, however the terms of medical specialties I was given are in +French :-( I have no medical dictionary handy, mine is a technical +university :-(( + +I need to get the translation into English (when there is one) of the +following words. They refer to medical categories of operating rooms +(theaters). I admit they may not be universally ""used"". + +1- sceptique +2- orl +3- brulure/brule' +4- ne'onatal +5- pre'natal +6- pre'mature' +7- neurochirurgie (neuro-surgery??) +8- chirurgie ge'ne'rale +9- chirurgie plastique +10- urologie (urology??) + +Thank you for you help. +Cheers, + +--------- +Berthe Y. Choueiry + +choueiry@lia.di.epfl.ch +LIA-DI, Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne, Ecublens +CH-1015 Lausanne, Switzerland +Voice: +41-21-693.52.77 and +41-21-693.66.78 Fax: +41-21-693.52.25 + +-------- +ps: please reply by e-mail if possible since I scan too quickly +through the messages of this newsgroup. +";4;True +"From: bandy@catnip.berkeley.ca.us (Andrew Scott Beals -- KC6SSS) +Subject: Re: Your opinion and what it means to me. +Organization: The San Jose, California, Home for Perverted Hackers +Lines: 10 + +infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew Infante) writes: + +>Since the occurance, I've paid many +>dollars in renumerance, taken the drunk class, +>and, yes, listened to all the self-righteous +>assholes like yourself that think your SO above the +>rest of the world because you've never had your +>own little DD suaree. + +""The devil made me do it!"" +";7;True +"From: dclaar@cup.hp.com (Doug Claar) +Subject: Los Angeles Freeway traffic reports +Nntp-Posting-Host: hprtnyc.cup.hp.com +Organization: Hewlett-Packard +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8.9] +Lines: 4 + + +oops, that's KNX 1070. KNBR is up in 'Frisco, and down at 680. + +==Doug ""San Fran can't be 'the city': Jack Webb told me so"" Claar +";11;True +"From: dwarner@journalism.indiana.edu (David J.) +Subject: mlb.c +Nntp-Posting-Host: clove.journalism.indiana.edu +Reply-To: dwarner@journalism.indiana.edu +Organization: Indiana University +Lines: 8 + +Could some kind soul out there e-mail me the 411 on where I can find the mlb.c +program? I'm interested in some road trips this year.... + +-- +David J.(dwarner@journalism.indiana.edu)*****Blue Riddle Productions 1993 +*-------------------------------It's on.--------------------------------* +***""THE RAP IS AN ART EP"" is coming out on tape -- this time for real.*** +*------------------------E-mail me for the 411.-------------------------* +";14;True +"From: mpaul@unl.edu (marxhausen paul) +Subject: How to kill AC inductive load spiking? +Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln +Lines: 20 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: unlinfo.unl.edu + +Is there a fast 'n dirty way to kill the line spiking that occurs when +an inductive load is turned on sometime other than at zero-crossing of +the AC cycle? A capacitor kludged in somehow, etc? + +I've got a microcontroller that is running a bunch of valves and pumps +in a big instrument washer, and almost everything is being switched with +zero-crossing solid state relays, so that stuff stays ""quiet"", AC-wise. +But there's one steam valve that gets turned on by a mechanical relay +in the water tank fill/thermostat system, and it's not under control +of my SSRs, and it does sometimes generate/radiate a spike that resets +one of my peripheral chips. My software times out and tries again, but +I'd love to just tack in a magic spike-killing fix that would avoid having +to do some major rewiring/redesign. A varistor would help but might not +be sufficient. Ideas? + +-- +paul marxhausen .... ....... ............. ............ ............ .......... + .. . . . . . university of nebraska - lincoln . . . .. . . .. . . . . . . . + . . . . . . . . . . . . . . grace . . . . + . . . . . . . . happens . +";11;True +"From: afielden@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (andrew.j.fielden) +Subject: X interactive performance +Keywords: benchmark +Organization: AT&T +Lines: 21 + +We recently got an NCD X-terminal to evaluate. This is running XRemote over +a serial line. +I wanted to get some measurement of response time, so I wrote a small Xlib +program which simply creates a window, maps it and sends the first Expose +event to itself. The program times the delay from sending the event, to +receiving it. I thought this was the simplest way to test client/X-server +round-trip delays. It's a similar concept to the ping(8C) program. + +Is this a valid test to perform ? I've also tried the xbench program, available +from ftp.uu.net, which bombards the server with graphics operations, but I +just wanted to get a quantative measure of what is ""acceptable"" interactive +response time. Has anyone got any ideas on this subject ? + +Thanks. +Andrew. (afielden@mlsma.att.com) + +-- ++----------------------------------------+----------------------------------+ +|Andrew Fielden. AT&T Network Systems UK | Tel : +44 666 832023 | +|Information Systems Group (SUN support) | Email : afielden@mlsma.att.com | ++----------------------------------------+----------------------------------+ +";12;True +"From: VEAL@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) +Subject: Re: My Gun is like my American Express Car +Lines: 137 +Organization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education + +In article <1993Apr14.195912.16613@grace.rt.cs.boeing.com> rwojcik@atc.boeing.com (Richard Wojcik) writes: + +>In article 734629856@misty, john@anasazi.com (John R. Moore) writes: +>>papresco@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod) writes: +>> +>>]I'm not. I'm in Canada. We have far fewer shootings like this. We have +>>]had, I believe, one mass murder in the last twenty years. +>> +>>]I'm not going to say we don't have our gun problems. But we do have the +>>]world's largest undefended boarder with one of the most gun-happy countries +>>]in the world. I think Canada illustrates that gun control does have an +>>]effect. In fact, it's suprising that there is any difference considering +>>]how easy it is to smuggle a gun from the U.S. +>> +>>Yes, it's amazing, isn't it. In fact, it should tell you that gun control +>>is NOT the reason your crime rate is low, since any idiot can smuggle guns +>>into Canada from the US at any time. +> +>I think Paul was trying to make the point that ""any idiot"" doesn't. There are +>surely some idiots who do smuggle guns, but Paul seems to feel that the exis- +>tence of stricter gun control laws has had a deterrent effect. + + This seems a strange argument to make considering that Canada's +violent crime rate in general is far lower than that of the U.S. (Our +non-gun crime rate is greater than their *entire* crime rate). It +would seem strange to suggest that it, to, were the result of gun +control laws. + + I think if we looked we'd find very specific (cultural and +enforcement) reasons why the non-gun rate is low as well, and then +that reasons could be applied to the with-gun rates as easily. + +>Given that most +>criminally used guns are either legally purchased or stolen from those who +>purchase them legally, having more restrictions on legal possession does +>seem to have the effect of reducing gun-related crimes. + + Aside from the fact that I find the idea of being punished +because somebody might steal something from me and go and commit a +crime with it a silly solution, it still doesn't address the +question of Canada. (Which is now, by the way, blaming their rising +gun-crime rate on the U.S. Strange that the border used to ""magically"" +keep the guns out, but now isn't.) + +>It certainly makes +>sense that it would. (Well, it makes sense to some of us, anyway. ;-) + + The other side of the coin, of course, is that far ""illegal drugs"" +are purchases legally or stolen from people who purchase them legally. +I've still not been convinced that guns, a commodity which criminals +have shown their perfectly willing to pay for from illegal sources +(stolen either from police, military, or civilian) we wouldn't simply +see South American sources from which drugs come start smuggling guns as +well, since there's a thriving gun manufacturing industry down there. + +>>If you would just look a little closer at the crime statistics, you would +>>realize that: +>> -our non-gun crime rate is also very high, so guns per se are not the issue +> +>Directly contradicted by the NEJM study that compared crime in Seattle and +>Vancouver, B.C. The non-gun rates were roughly the same for both cities. The +>difference in violent crime rates was almost totally gun-related. + + And as was not pointed out in the study, but in critiques +of it, (two seperate articles by James Wright and David Kopel come +to mind) it was pointed out that the difference was *also* almost +entirely minority related. That is, the gun crime rate skyrocketed +for poor minorities (Blacks and Hispanics primarily) while when you +compared the white majority they were virutally identical. + + The problem with the NEJM study was they compared minority vs. +non-minority percentages but failed to take into account the relative +conditions of those minorities. That there was an eqaul percentage of +nomn-whites was about as far as they went. They failed to take into +account that the non-whites in either city were not living in the +same conditions. + + If the situation was entirely based on availability of guns, +then we'd expect that the white rates, the two groups which are +arguably fairly comparative in the two cities, would have a far +higher rate in Seattle. Yet the majority in Seattle is not only +not significantly higher when the minorities are excluded, but slightly +lower. + +>> -violent crime is highly concentrated in the inner city +> +>Surprise. Pick the area with the highest incidence of poverty, drug use, disease, +>etc. Since rates are lower in suburbia, us middle class folks can ignore the +>problem. + + + The point is, of course, that many of the U.S. ""inner-city"" +problems are not mirrored in Canada. As such if there is a condition +which is significantly different in Canada from the U.S., and violent +crime is highly correlated to that area, suggesting that gun control +is the source of Canada's low rate is highly questionable. (As one +Canadian pointed out on talk.politics.guns, Canada's major gun control +in 1978 did not result in either a reduction or a slowing of an increase +in violent crime rates, which have been rising steadily since. Apparently +they didn't even mirror the U.S.s very large drop of violent crime in +the early eighties. + +>> -most violent crime occurs in areas with strict gun control already +> +>Post hoc ergo propter hoc. Those areas implemented gun control because of +>the high rates. + + True only to a certain extent. Take Washington D.C., where +gun control was instituted while it had crime problems true, but that +crime proceeded to explode afterwards. Similarly for New York. + + The question is not simply a point in time where crime was high +or low. Did the gun control significantly and positively impact +violent crime. Since it's gone up in those areas, often faster than it +was going up before, you can't simply dismiss the high crime rate by +saying gun control was caused by it. Yes, gun control may be instituted +to deal with high crime. But if the crime is not positively impacted, you +can't continually say that that crime rate was entirely a cause of +that gun control, since much of that crime rate increased after gun control +was implemented, just as happened in Canada. + +>Similar or worse rates exist in cities with poor gun control. + + As would be expected if violent crime was generally independent +of gun control. + +>And the jury is still out on the question of whether recent tough laws in +>Washington D.C. may have alleviated violence and suicide rates there. + + Would this be the laws which made manufacturers liable for what +others did with their guns, and suddenly the police found nobody would +sell to them? +------------------------------------------------------------------------ +David Veal Univ. of Tenn. Div. of Cont. Education Info. Services Group +PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu - ""I still remember the way you laughed, the day +your pushed me down the elevator shaft; I'm beginning to think you don't +love me anymore."" - ""Weird Al"" +";18;True +"From: mse@cc.bellcore.com (25836-michael evenchick(F113)) +Subject: Re: DAVE KINGMAN FOR THE HALL OF FAME +Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ +Lines: 128 + +In article <1993Apr15.093231.5148@news.yale.edu>, (Steve Tomassi) writes: +|> +|> Hi, baseball fans! So what do you say? Don't you think he deserves it? +|> I +|> +|> mean, heck, if Dave Winfield (ho-hum) is seriously being considered for it, +|> as +|> +|> is Lee Smith (ha), then why don't we give Dave Kingman a chance? Or Darrell +|> +|> Evans! Yeah, yeah! After the Hall of Fame takes in them, it can take in +|> Eddie +|> +|> Murray and Jeff Reardon. + +I am trying to think how to respond to this without involving personal feeling +or perceptions and I can not without having stats to back up my points. +However, I think you approached this the wrong way. I believe all of the +people mentioned here deserve the hall of fame more than Dave Kingman does. I +feel they were all much better players. I am not saying I fell they deserve to +go but that they would deserve it more. + +IMHO +Dave Kingman - definately not. They guy only had a couple of years were he +could hit with atleast a respectable averag. The rest of his career I do not +think he was very feared by pitchers. I also do not think he did a lot for the +game. I mean really I am a Met fan - he was a Met for part of his career and I +still would not back him for the Hall of Fame. + +Dave Winfield - I think so. He is feared by pitchers, he has had several +season where he hit for a respectable average and his production numbers are +(in my opinion - without stats) better than Kingman's (probably by quite a +bit). I also perceive him to be a leader, maybe not as much as some other +people but none the less a leader. I think he has made substantial +contributions to the game of baseball and to society. Examples of this are +some of the charitable things he has done (I know some of this from when he +was with the Yankees). I think he the type of player that kids can look up to +and while this is definately not the only criteria for the Hall of Fame I +think it deserves some consideration. + +Lee Smith - Maybe, I would have to see his stats again but he definately would +deserve to go before the likes of Kingman. + +Darrell Evans - No. + +Eddie Murray - Maybe, He has had a very good career, he is a leader (although +a silent one), he is a good role model. Are the stats good enough? I am not +sure - but I would once again believe they are much better than Kingman's both +the average as well as the power numbers (but not as good as Winfield's). Just +think, Eddie did not have as much publicity for most of his great years. + +Jeff Reardon - My guess is no, but it kind of depends on his numbers. Off the +top of my head I would take Lee Smith first. + +|> +|> Well, in any case, I am sick and tired (mostly sick) of everybody +|> giving +|> +|> Hall of Fame consideration to players that are by today's standards, +|> marginal. +|> +|> Honestly, Ozzie Smith and Robin Yount don't belong there. They're both +|> +|> shortstops that just hung around for a long time. Big deal. +|> + +Well, I strongly disagree here. Both of these guys deserve it for sure. I +talked about leadership above, both of these guys are leaders and have been +instumental in leading their teams to the post season. Robin does have very +good offensive numbers both average and power and Ozzie has okay numbers +offensively. The difference with Ozzie is that if you gave him a home run for +every run he saved by making an incredible play at shortstop - he would have +shattered Aaron's home run mark by now. How many of those great plays saved +games? How many of those great plays motivated his team to rally and win a +game? While I believe both of these guys have numbers, baseball is about more +than numbers (or at least winning at baseball is about more than numbers). +Both of these guys are proven stars and belong in the Hall of Fame. As does +George Brett who also belongs in this class of player. + +|> Let's be a little more selective, huh? Stop handing out these honors +|> so +|> +|> liberally. Save them for the guys who really deserve it. Face it, if +|> something +|> +|> isn't done, there will be little prestige in the Hall of Fame anymore. When +|> +|> certain individuals believe that Steve Garvey or Jack Morris are potential +|> +|> candidates, the absurdity is apparent. Gee, can these guys even compare to +|> +|> the more likely future Hall of Famers like Kirby Puckett or Nolan Ryan? +|> + +Steve Garvey - I am not sure, probably not but I guess I could see someone +making a case for him. + +Jack Morris - Once again not my first choice but I can see why someone might +bring up his name. + +Kirby Puckett - Probably. The only reason I do not say definately is he still +has time left in his career. If he continues doing what he has been then my +probably will turn into a definately. + +Nolan Ryan - Is there really any doubt? I think I heard something about him +having some 53 records (maybe they were not all good - I don't know I did not +hear any of them just the number). He has the numbers, he has the +contributions to the game and community and he is a great role model. I would +not say that he is the best pitcher to ever pitch the game (probably not even +top 20) but he would be the first pitcher I would put in the Hall of Fame +because of his accomplishments (no-hitters, strikeouts, respectable numbers - +even with some weaker teams) you can go on and on. I really hope he gets ALL +the possible votes. + +So in summing up I have 3 groups, those that belong, those that probably do +but I am not sure and those that I lean towards saying don't belong at least +not without my seeing stats and possibly hearing reasons why they should go. + +Yes - Winfield, Yount, Brett(not in your mail), O. Smith, Puckett and Ryan +Maybe - Murray and L. Smith +No - Reardon, Garvey, Morris, Evans and definately Kingman + +As I said I do not have the stats around so I do not have numbers to back this +up - these are entirely my opinions based on my perceptions. + +Mike +|> +|> Q Steve +";14;True +"From: adavis@mcl.bdm.com (Arthur Davis) +Subject: Re: Ron Francis +Organization: BDM International, Inc. +Lines: 17 +NNTP-Posting-Host: jupiter.mcl.bdm.com + +In article <1993Apr19.171223.11311@Virginia.EDU> mjr4u@Virginia.EDU (""Matthew J. Rush"") writes: +> I forgot to ask: Is this the highest points total Francis has +>had in a season? Has he ever had a 100 point season before, +>either with the Pens or the Whalers? +> + +Francis got 101 in 89-90, his last full season with Hartford. + +In agreement with your previous post, I think Francis is a tremendous and +generally underrated complete player. I would LOVE to have him here in a +Capitals uniform where he would certainly be the #1 center (even though +Pivonka is also a very good complete player who is generally underrated). +Francis impresses me in many ways as an ""ethical Dale Hunter"". Tons of +heart and can-do attitude with a lot of different skills, but none of +the cheap shots and few penalty minutes. Not to mention nearly always +coming through when it's important. + +";13;True +"From: edm@wrs.com (Ed McClanahan) +Subject: Re: 1280x1024 on ATI Ultra w/ Nanao 550i +Nntp-Posting-Host: chaos +Organization: Wind River Systems, Inc. +Lines: 22 + +mancus@sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov (Keith Mancus) writes: + +> its functions to position/size images at various +> resolutions> + +I thought this was a neat feature until I noticed that +when an image is re-sized, the scanning frequency is +necessarily changed. This causes digital multiscan +monitors like my MAG MX17F to get confused as to which +mode to use if the frequency gets too far from the +standard selections. For this reason, I use the +""factory defaults"" for position/size on the ATI card +and adjust each mode individually (only the first time) +at the monitor. The MAG (and many other multiscan +monitors) has (have) the ability to recall these settings +the next time each mode is ""detected"". +-- + +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= + + Edward McClanahan edm@wrs.com +";5;True +"From: borden@head-cfa.harvard.edu (Dave Borden) +Subject: Re: Good Neighbor Political Hypocrisy Test +Organization: Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory, Cambridge, MA, USA +Lines: 39 + + +In article , steveth@netcom.com (Steve Thomas) writes: +> In article <1993Apr15.193603.14228@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> rscharfy@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ryan C Scharfy) writes: +> >In article steveth@netcom.com (Steve Thomas) wri +> >tes: +> > +> >> +> >>Just _TRY_ to justify the War On Drugs, I _DARE_ you! +> >> +> > +> >A friend of mine who smoke pot every day and last Tuesday took 5 hits of acid +> >is still having trouble ""aiming"" for the bowl when he takes a dump. Don't as +> >me how, I just have seen the results. +> > +> >Boy, I really wish we we cut the drug war and have more people screwed up in +> >the head. +> > +> +> I'll answer you're sarcasm with more sarcasm: +> +> Boy, it looks like the WOD is WORKING REALLY GOOD to stop people from +> being screwed up in the head, given that example! +> +> (Issue: your friend _got_ his drugs--legal or not legal, he'll continue to +> get them. Issue #2: why should _I_, as somebody who does NOT use illegal +> drugs and who IS NOT ""screwed up"" have to PAY for this idiot's problems? He's +> not doing anybody any harm except himself. The WOD, on the other hand, is an +> immediate THREAT to MY life and livelyhood. Tell me why I should sacrafice +> THIS to THAT!). + +And not only that, but if the drugs were legal we could have pharmacists instead +of pushers selling them, and the pharmacists could be obligated to not only +inform the purchasers of the dangers of drug use, but also show them how to use +the drugs in relatively safe ways. And the dangers of impurities (responsible +for much of the suffering that drugs cause) would be all but eliminated. + + + - Dave Borden + borden@m5.harvard.edu +";18;True +"From: mkaschke@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Martin Kaschke) +Subject: 4-Band Equalizer +Reply-To: mkaschke@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Martin Kaschke) +Organization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD +Lines: 15 + + + I was wondering if anyone out there in net-land knew of a SIMPLE +way to make a 4-band equalizer (single channel). I need it to accept +LINE inputs (tape deck, CD player, etc.) and output to the same! So +input impedance should equal output impedance. Also, since I am driving +a line, I would need 1 volt p-p output. Final requirement is that I +can either: + 1. Control it digitally + OR + 2. Control it easily, or with few resistors + +FINALLY - If anyone knows of any FILTER or EQUALIZER chips, that might +be useful, please let me know. (I have seen a couple of them from NATIONAL, +and MAXIM). Thanks in advance, + Martin +";11;True +"From: al@col.hp.com (Al DeVilbiss) +Subject: Re: Zeos Computers +Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division +Lines: 22 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: reptile4.col.hp.com + +mspeed@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Matthew P. Speed) writes: +> I am looking at purchasing a 486 system from Zeos computers. I would appreciate +> if people could give me some feedback about the quality of their products and +> customer service along with any advice about which systems people like. +> Thanks in advance. +> +> +I bought a 386DX33 system a little over 2 years ago, and was satisfied with +everything about Zeos. That computer went off to grad school with my son and +I replaced it with a 486DX2/66 pkg 4 (345 MBHD, 16MB ram) with Diamond Viper, +128K level 2 cache, and tower upgrades, delete the CTX monitor. I got a +17"" HP D1193A monitor employee purchase. This is a *great* system, fast, +quiet, solidly built, not a single glitch bringing it up. Tech support seems +busier now than 2 years ago. I called with a configuration question, and +they called back 4 hours later with the right answer. I think there's a +slight premium over Gateway prices, but IMHO Zeos is worth it. BTW they +have enough 800 lines that I've never gotten a busy signal calling sales, +customer service, or tech support. Now, you usually wait 5 or 10 minutes to +talk to someone, but at least you get in the queue and wait on their dime. +-- +Al DeVilbiss +al@col.hp.com +";5;True +"From: tk@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Tommy Kelly) +Subject: Objective Values 'v' Scientific Accuracy (was Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is) +Reply-To: tk@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Tommy Kelly) +Organization: Laboratory for the Foundations of Computer Science, Edinburgh U +Lines: 54 + +Frank, I tried to mail this but it bounced. It is fast moving out +of t.a scope, but I didn't know if t.a was the only group of the three +that you subscribed to. +Apologies to regular t.a folks. + +In article <1qjahh$mrs@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de> frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes: + +>Science (""the real world"") has its basis in values, not the other way round, +>as you would wish it. + +You must be using 'values' to mean something different from the way I +see it used normally. + +And you are certainly using 'Science' like that if you equate it to +""the real world"". + +Science is the recognition of patterns in our perceptions of the Universe +and the making of qualitative and quantitative predictions concerning +those perceptions. + +It has nothing to do with values as far as I can see. +Values are ... well they are what I value. +They are what I would have rather than not have - what I would experience +rather than not, and so on. + +Objective values are a set of values which the proposer believes are +applicable to everyone. + +>If there is no such thing as objective value, then science can not +>objectively be said to be more useful than a kick in the head. + +I don't agree. +Science is useful insofar as it the predictions mentioned above are +accurate. That is insofar as what I think *will be* the effect on +my perceptions of a time lapse (with or without my input to the Universe) +versus what my perceptions actually turn out to be. + +But values are about whether I like (in the loosest sense of the word) the +perceptions :-) + +>Simple theories with accurate predictions could not objectively be said +>to be more useful than a set of tarot cards. + +I don't see why. +'Usefulness' in science is synonomous with 'accuracy' - period. +Tarot predictions are not useful because they are not accurate - or +can't be shown to be accurate. +Science is useful because it is apparently accurate. + +Values - objective or otherwise - are beside the point. + +No? + +tommy +";19;True +"From: thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) +Subject: Kyle K. on Rodney King +Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu +Organization: University of Chicago +Distribution: usa +Lines: 12 + +In article kkopp@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (koppenhoefer kyle cramm) writes: +> How about the fact that you have a bunch of cops putting their lives on +>the line day in and day out who are afraid as hell of a large black guy that + ^^^^^ +>took a large amount of punishment and refused submit? + +I'm curious why you think that particular adjective is important. +-- +ted frank | +thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu | I'm sorry, the card says ""Moops."" +the u of c law school | +standard disclaimers | +";18;True +"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) +Subject: In Nazi Germany, Armenians were considered to be an Aryan race and... +Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) +Distribution: world +Lines: 41 + +In article <2BAC23FF.25215@news.service.uci.edu> tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) writes: + +>There was no such letter in the Chronicle on that date, or at any other time. + +Is this a figment of your imagination? Here is another one: + + + Source: ""Mitteilungsblatt, Berlin, December 1939, Nr. 2 and 5-6"" + + Yet another historical fact: a fact that for years has been deliberately + forgotten, concealed, and wiped from memory - the fact of Armenian-Nazi + collaboration. + + A magazine called Mitteilungsblatt der Deutsch-Armenischen Gesselschaft + is the clearest and most definite proof of this collaboration. The + magazine was first published in Berlin in 1938 during Nazi rule of Germany + and continued publication until the end of 1944. Even the name of the + magazine, which implies a declaration of Armenian-Nazi cooperation, + is attention-getting. + + This magazine, every issue of which proves the collaboration, is historically + important as documentary evidence. It is a heap of writing that should be + an admonition to world opinion and to all mankind. + + In Nazi Germany, Armenians were considered to be an Aryan race and certain + political, economic, and social rights were thus granted to them. They + occupied positions in public service and were partners in Nazi practices. + The whole world of course knows what awaited those who were not considered + ""Aryan"" and what befell them. + + +Serdar Argic + + 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that + might serve as ways of escape for the Turks + and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' + (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) + 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists + a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) + + +";15;True +"From: skip@eco.twg.com (Skip Koppenhaver) +Subject: Pulldown menu periodically hangs application on OpenWindows 3.0 +Nntp-Posting-Host: eco.twg.com +Reply-To: skip@eco.twg.com +Organization: The Wollongong Group (East Coast Operations) +Lines: 47 + + +Has anyone found a fix for the following problem? + +Client Software: SunOs 4.1.1, X11R5 +Server Hardware: Sun IPC +Server Software: SunOs 4.1.1, Open Windows 3.0 (w/ patch 100444-37) + +A Motif 1.2.2 application will periodically hang when run against the +OpenWindows 3.0 server (xnews). The pulldown is displayed but then no +button actions have any effect. Sometimes pressing will +unstick the application but not usually. It looks like the pulldown is +grabbing the focus and never letting go. Other windows on the display +continue to get updated so the server isn't hanging. If I log in from +another terminal and kill the Motif application then everything gets +back to normal. The same application when run against other X servers +(including MIT X11R5 Xsun, DecWindows, Tektronix X terminal) has no +problems. This is obviously a OpenWindows problem but I need a +work-around since most of our customers are OpenWindows users. + +I have tried the following things: + + 1. Installing the latest version of the OpenWindows server patch + (100444-37). + + 2. Using mwm (version 1.2.2) instead of olwm. + + 3. Applying the patch specified in the Motif FAQ (question 110). + This had the effect of disabling the point-and-click method of + menu interaction (as opposed to the click-and-drag method), and + screwing up the menu mnemonics keys. It did seem to help, but I + was still able to get the application to hang. + +Repeat By: + +This is an intermittent problem so you'll have to try several times. + +Click and release on a menu heading (pulldown menu will pop up) + +Click and release on a menu item + +Repeat until application hangs + + +Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance. +-- +Skip Koppenhaver +skip@eco.twg.com +";12;True +"From: dante@shakala.com (Charlie Prael) +Subject: Re: Moonbase race +Organization: Shakala BBS (ClanZen Radio Network) Sunnyvale, CA +1-408-734-2289 +Lines: 20 + +sysmgr@king.eng.umd.edu (Doug Mohney) writes: + +> Allen, sometimes I think you're OK. And sometimes you tend to rashly leap in +> making statement without thinking them out. +> +> Wanna guess which today? +> +> You'd need to launch HLVs to send up large amounts of stuff. Do you know +> of a private Titan pad? + + +Doug-- Actually, if memory serves, the Atlas is an outgrowth of the old +Titan ICBM. If so, there's probably quite a few old pads, albeit in need +of some serious reconditioning. Still, Being able to buy the turf and +pad (and bunkers, including prep facility) at Midwest farmland prices +strikes me as pretty damned cheap. + +------------------------------------------------------------------ +Charlie Prael - dante@shakala.com +Shakala BBS (ClanZen Radio Network) Sunnyvale, CA +1-408-734-2289 +";2;True +"From: king@reasoning.com (Dick King) +Subject: Re: Selective Placebo +Organization: Reasoning Systems, Inc., Palo Alto, CA +Lines: 20 +Nntp-Posting-Host: drums.reasoning.com + +In article <1993Apr17.125545.22457@rose.com> ron.roth@rose.com (ron roth) writes: +> +> OTOH, who are we kidding, the New England Medical Journal in 1984 +> ran the heading: ""Ninety Percent of Diseases are not Treatable by +> Drugs or Surgery,"" which has been echoed by several other reports. +> No wonder MDs are not amused with alternative medicine, since +> the 20% magic of the ""placebo effect"" would award alternative +> practitioners twice the success rate of conventional medicine... + +1: ""90% of diseases"" is not the same thing as ""90% of patients"". + + In a world with one curable disease that strikes 100 people, and nine + incurable diseases which strikes one person each, medical science will cure + 91% of the patients and report that 90% of diseases have no therapy. + +2: A disease would be counted among the 90% untreatable if nothing better than + a placebo were known. Of course MDs are ethically bound to not knowingly + dispense placebos... + +-dk +";4;True +"From: YTKIM@UCSVAX.UCS.UMASS.EDU (YONG T KIM) +Subject: WINNLS.DLL? +Organization: UNIVERSITY OF MASSACHUSETTS - AMHERST +Lines: 7 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: deimos.ucs.umass.edu +X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24 + + +I tried to install a foreign language Windows application +that required a file named WINNLS.DLL. I checked all of my +WIndows 3.1 installation disks for this file, but could not +find it. Does anybody have any idea what this file is for and +where one could get it from? + +";6;True +"From: adamsr@netcom.com (Rick Adams) +Subject: Help with 486/66 Decision. +Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) +Distribution: us +Lines: 37 + + I'm buying a new system this week to replace my brain dead 286, and +could use some feedback on a couple systems I'm looking at if anyone is +familiar with them. + + The system that looks the most interesting is the Budget 486/66 VLB +tower. For about $2343 (delivered) it offers VLB, 8MB, 200MB IDE, a Mitsumi +CD-ROM (with software bundle), Media Vision Sound board, 14"" CTX 1468NI, +128K Cache, and the usual drives, ports, & OS software. Since my budget is +$2350 for a system, it seems almost too good to be true (which may mean it +IS too good to be true, of course). Among other things, I've never seen a +review of the Budget systems (or their parent company, Micro Smart), or of +the motherboard they are using (the Aetana). Any feedback would be +appreciated. + + In a similar vein, the second system I'm considering Midwest Micro's +Elite VESA 486/66 tower with a Diamond Viper (2MB) & Midwest Micro 14"" MI +monitor is one I've never seen reviewed anywhere. I'm familiar with the +firm but not the product line - and some idea of their quality would be abig +benefit here as well. + + Any other suggestions in the price range would be appreciated - my +greatest needs are speed and graphics capabilities. + + Email response would be greatly appreciated. + + Thanks, + +-- + + -=*=- -=*=- -=*=- -=*=- -=*=- + The only purpose for which power can be rightfully exercised + over any member of a civilized community, against his will, is to + prevent harm to others. His own good, either physical or moral, is + not a sufficient warrant. John Stuart Mill + -=*=- -=*=- -=*=- -=*=- -=*=- + Rick Adams -=*=- adamsr@ais.org -=*=- adamsr@norwich.bitnet + anonymous users may send to ap-poly.491@n7kbt.rain.com +";5;True +"From: paale@stud.cs.uit.no (Paal Ellingsen) +Subject: Re: BATF/FBI Murders Almost Everyone in Waco Today! 4/19 +Organization: University of Tromsoe +Lines: 17 + +In article <1r0qsrINNc61@clem.handheld.com>, Jim De Arras writes: +|> Mr. Roby, you are a government sucking heartless bastard. Humans died +|> yesterday, humans who would not have died if the FBI had not taken the actions +|> they did. That is the undeniable truth. + +...the question is: for how long? Even if the FBI had done nothing, I guess the +BDs would have committed suicide, but maybe not until hunger and thirst gave them +the choice between sucide or surrender. +The BDs was warned in beforehand about the FBI action. They HAD the chance to +surrender and get a fair trial. No matter who started the fire, the BDs were +responsible for 80+ peole dying. No one else. + +-- +============================================================================ +Paal Ellingsen | Borgensvingen 67/102 | Tlf.: 083 50933 +paale@stud.cs.uit.no | 9100 Kvaloeysletta | DATA = Dobbelt Arbeid Til Alle +============================================================================ +";3;True +"From: csc3phx@vaxa.hofstra.edu +Subject: Loosing color. +Lines: 9 + +Hi guys. + +I am scanning in a color image and it looks fine on the screen. When I +converted it into PCX,BMP,GIF files so as to get it into MS Windows the colors +got much lighter. For example the yellows became white. Any ideas? + +thanks +Dan +csc3phx@vaxc.hofstra.edu +";1;True +"From: rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J. Wade) +Subject: Re: Integra GSR +Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network +Lines: 21 + +> +>Quad 4 reliable, yeah, what's your definition of reliable- if that's reliable, +>then its safe to say that integra engines in general are near perfect +> (not to mention, a hell of alot smoother and quieter - balance shafts.The Acura has the engine +> wins the reliablity contest hands down. You can rev that car all day, everyday, +>and you'll never blow a hose, or crack the block, or anything else. (I speak +>from expierence!) +>I'm not saying the Quad 4 is a bad engine, but don't highlight reliability when you +>comparing it to a Acura Engine. AND while the Integra costs alot more, it is a + +a couple of things: blowing a hose doesn't speak of engine reliability, and +while it is true that quad4's have a problem with head gasket leaks, that was +a design flaw in the gasket and has been corrected. also i know pontiac is +replacing head gaskets that leak for free for 6year/60k miles. other than +that i have found my quad4 to be completely solid and the direct ignition +system means no wires/rotor/rotor-cap to ever deal with. also hydrolic lifters +mean no valve adjustments ever. i'm not badmouthing the integra engine, i just +think you are going overboard on slamming the quad4. you are quite correct +that the integra engine is quieter, although i would not say smoother, my +quad4 loves to rev, especially at the high-end. do you have any evidence +of blocks cracking on quad4s? i have not heard of this. +";10;True +"From: mahan@TGV.COM (Patrick L. Mahan) +Subject: Re: Is it just me, or is this newsgroup dead? +Organization: The Internet +Lines: 24 +NNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu +To: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu, rlm@helen.surfcty.com + +# +# I've gotten very few posts on this group in the last couple days. (I +# recently added it to my feed list.) Is it just me, or is this group +# near death? +# + +Seen from the mailing list side, I'm getting about the right amount of +traffic. + +Patrick L. Mahan + +--- TGV Window Washer ------------------------------- Mahan@TGV.COM --------- + +Waking a person unnecessarily should not be considered - Lazarus Long +a capital crime. For a first offense, that is From the Notebooks of + Lazarus Long + +Patrick L. Mahan + +--- TGV Window Washer ------------------------------- Mahan@TGV.COM --------- + +Waking a person unnecessarily should not be considered - Lazarus Long +a capital crime. For a first offense, that is From the Notebooks of + Lazarus Long +";12;True +"From: fernandeza@merrimack.edu +Subject: Re: The arrogance of Christians +Organization: Merrimack College, No. Andover, MA, USA +Lines: 12 + +In article , aa888@freenet.carleton.ca (Mark Baker) writes: + +> I am asking you to believe in things not visible. I don't know if this is +> believeing blindly or not. .... If you decide in advance that your reason +> will act only on the evidence of the five physical senses, then you cut +> reason off from any possibility of reaching a conclusion outside the +> physical sphere + +Someone said: + ""Thinking if I could see, I would believe. Then someone said + + BELIEVE AND YOU WILL SEE!!"" +";17;True +"From: hall@boi.hp.com (Hal Leifson) +Subject: Re: [lds] kermit's reply [was: Re: Tony Rose was : FREE BOOK OF MORMON +Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6] +Lines: 83 + +Robert Weiss (psyrobtw@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu) wrote: +: + (lots of stuff about the Nicene Creed deleted which can be read in the + original basenote. I will also leave it up to other LDS netters to + take Mr. Weiss to task on using Mormon Doctrine to declare the difinitive + word on what the LDS Church teaches as doctrine. Hopefully the LDS + netters will be amiable in their explanation.) + +Since it would do no good to rebut what Mr. Weiss has stated on the origin +of the Nicene Creed and its status as devine and inspired (I say ""no good"" +because it cannot be proved through discussion or debate as to whether or not +the authors of the Creed were inspired), I leave you (it will be some time +before I post again) with the following thought authored by Eugene England, +Professor of English at Brigham Young University. Mr. England wrote the +following as part of a book review section in This People's magazine (Spring +1993 edition): + + ""I conclude with a little sermon because I believe we will not be a Mormon-- + or human--family until we can get over labeling and rejecting each other + with terms like feminist or patriarchal, liberal or conservative (Christian + or non-Christian -- Hal 8^). When we are tempted to draw a circle around + a set of beliefs and traditions and styles and call it American, then exclude + those who don't fit, it may be well to consider that perhaps the most central + defining characteristic of a good American might be ""one who doesn't draw + exclusive circles"" -- that the surest way of excluding ourselves from the + central American ideal is by excluding others. And when we are tempted to + draw a circle around ""Mormon"" or ""Christian,"" to decide who is ""orthodox"" + and who isn't by how much they agree with us, it might be well to consider + that the central pillar of Christ's ""orthodoxy"" is our ability to love + unconditionally those who are different and include them in our family. + + ""I recently spent some time in a ""Christian"" bookstore in California. The + service was excellent, the clerks and customers all smiling, neat, and + well-scrubbed, and there were the expected wholesome offerings of scriptural + commentaries, sentimental fiction, and collections of evangelistic sermons. + But I was dismayed to find how much shelf space was given to attacking + others, often viciously---whether the political left, our modern American + culture, or other religions. A whole section was devoted to ""Cults and the + Occult,"" and as you might expect, Mormonism was right there under the same + rubric and indictment (often by the same authors) as Satanism. And I found + I could either rent or buy (in English or Spanish) copies of The God Makers + (that absurdly inaccurate, even libelous, but very popular and dangerous + anti-Mormon film that uses exaclty the same techniques and even accusations + of the Nazi films that scapegoated Jews in the 1930s). + + ""It seems to me one major indication that a person is a genuine convert to + Christ and his redemptive love is his lack of paranoia and anxiety (""Perfect + love casteth out fear,"" I John 4:18). I have always been pleased that the + LDS Church has not engaged in attacks on other faiths, though I find a + disheartening increase in willingness of individual Mormons to engage in the + same kinds of stereotyping and scapegoating---and even threats of coercive + action---as the ""religious right wing"" has launched this year against the + political left and American cultural and religious styles they don't like. + It is a fearful irony that in so doing Mormons take common cause with the + very people who have most slanderously attacked Mormons---people who would, + if they had power, forcefully restrict Mormons' rights along with those of + others they believe to be evil."" + + +The above ""sermon"" was addressed to the LDS audience who usually subscribe +to This People's magazine, but would certainly apply to all of us who +rely on the mercies and grace of Jesus Christ to bring us back into His +arms. + +Even though the LDS Church claims devine authority to exercise the principles +of the restored gospel---as in the days of Christ, the Church does not claim +perfection and infallibility in how those with authoritative status have or do +now lead the Church. I, for one, do not wish to be labelled ""Christian"", if +those who profess themselves as Christians attack my beliefs because they are +intollerent (for example) of the way my religion may interpret Biblical +scriptures of the same source to have a different meaning and implication +than mainstream Christianity would give it. Once again, being in the +majority does NOT in and of itself PROVE anything except that your collective +voice is louder. That's really all the critics of the LDS Church have to stand +on in terms of the kind of Biblical interpretation used as proof to counter +the LDS Church' interpretation! Using someone elses biased research of truths +and non-truths (whose to say what the mixture is?) as an authoritative tool to +disprove or discredit is not being fair to anyone, least of all themselves. +Let us simply agree to disagree, and share beliefs through adult discussion +and conversation, thereby uplifting everyone. + + +Hal Leifson -- signing off! +";19;True +"Subject: Re: New Funding Plan for the Military +From: medkeffjs@hirama.hiram.edu (Jeff Medkeff) +Organization: Hiram College +Nntp-Posting-Host: hirama.hiram.edu +Lines: 20 + +In article , drieux@wetware.com + (drieux, just drieux) writes (about the armed services): +> +> ps: Maybe even privatize the organization, or consider +> 'out sourcing' various aspects of the DOD as a part of +> the current 'Down Sizing' - Who Knows, Maybe if we +> Finally Allowed to ""Free Market"" to take control, we will +> no longer have a military run by the same folks who are +> running the post office..... +> +> pps: slow down, and think before you flame, Rhetoric is an ArtForm. + +Well, uh, actually I agree. + + +-- +Jeffrey S. Medkeff Bitnet- medkeffjs@hiramb +PO Box 1098 Internet- medkeffjs@hiramb.hiram.edu +Hiram, OH 44234 Pale Ebenezer thought it wrong to fight. But +U.S.A. Roaring Bill (who killed him) thought it right. +";18;True +"From: oser@fermi.wustl.edu (Scott Oser) +Subject: Re: DID HE REALLY RISE??? +Organization: Washington University Astrophysics +Lines: 36 + +In article mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) writes: +>The two historic facts that I think the most important are these: +> +>(1) If Jesus didn't rise from the dead, then he must have done something +>else equally impressive, in order to create the observed amount of impact. +> +>(2) Nobody ever displayed the dead body of Jesus, even though both the +>Jewish and the Roman authorities would have gained a lot by doing so +>(it would have discredited the Christians). +> +>-- +>:- Michael A. Covington internet mcovingt@ai.uga.edu : ***** +>:- Artificial Intelligence Programs phone 706 542-0358 : ********* +>:- The University of Georgia fax 706 542-0349 : * * * +>:- Athens, Georgia 30602-7415 U.S.A. amateur radio N4TMI : ** *** ** <>< + +And the two simplest refutations are these: + +(1) What impact? The only record of impact comes from the New Testament. +I have no guarantee that its books are in the least accurate, and that +the recorded ""impact"" actually happened. I find it interesting that no other +contemporary source records an eclipse, an earthquake, a temple curtain +being torn, etc. The earliest written claim we have of Jesus' resurrection +is from the Pauline epistles, none of which were written sooner than 20 years +after the supposed event. + +(2) It seems probable that no one displayed the body of Jesus because no +one knew where it was. I personally believe that the most likely +explanation was that the body was stolen (by disciples, or by graverobbers). +Don't bother with the point about the guards ... it only appears in one +gospel, and seems like exactly the sort of thing early Christians might make +up in order to counter the grave-robbing charge. The New Testament does +record that Jews believed the body had been stolen. If there were really +guards, they could not have effectively made this claim, as they did. + +-Scott O. +";17;True +"From: andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman) +Subject: Re: Catalog of Hard-to-Find PC Enhancements (Repost) +Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University. +Lines: 33 + +>andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman) writes: +>> >In article jdoll@shell.portal.com (Joe Doll) wr +>> >> ""The Catalog of Personal Computing Tools for Engineers and Scien- +>> >> tists"" lists hardware cards and application software packages for +>> >> PC/XT/AT/PS/2 class machines. Focus is on engineering and scien- +>> >> tific applications of PCs, such as data acquisition/control, +>> >> design automation, and data analysis and presentation. +>> > +>> >> If you would like a free copy, reply with your (U. S. Postal) +>> >> mailing address. +>> +>> Don't bother - it never comes. It's a cheap trick for building a +>> mailing list to sell if my junk mail flow is any indication. +>> +>> -andy sent his address months ago +> +>Perhaps we can get Portal to nuke this weasal. I never received a +>catalog either. If that person doesn't respond to a growing flame, then +>we can assume that we'yall look forward to lotsa junk mail. + +I don't want him nuked, I want him to be honest. The junk mail has +been much more interesting than the promised catalog. If I'd known +what I was going to get, I wouldn't have hesitated. I wouldn't be +surprised if there were other folks who looked at the ad and said +""nope"" but who would be very interested in the junk mail that results. +Similarly, there are people who wanted the advertised catalog who +aren't happy with the junk they got instead. + +The folks buying the mailing lists would prefer an honest ad, and +so would the people reading it. + +-andy +-- +";8;True +"From: cash@convex.com (Peter Cash) +Subject: ""liver"" spots +Nntp-Posting-Host: zeppelin.convex.com +Organization: The Instrumentality +X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer + Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and + not necessarily those of CONVEX. +Lines: 8 + +What causes those little brown spots on older people's hands? Are they +called ""liver spots"" because they're sort of liver-colored, or do they +indicate some actual liver dysfunction? +-- +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ + | Die Welt ist alles, was Zerfall ist. | +Peter Cash | (apologies to Ludwig Wittgenstein) |cash@convex.com +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ +";4;True +"From: sorlin@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steven J Orlin) +Subject: Re: Changing oil by self. +Keywords: n +Nntp-Posting-Host: magnusug.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu +Organization: The Ohio State University +Distribution: usa +Lines: 16 + +In article <1993Apr15.170720.8538@colorado.edu> drew@kinglear.cs.colorado.edu ( +Drew Eckhardt) writes: +> +>Most cars have drain petcocks in the radiators, and I've never +>seen nor heard of a vandal opening one. I imagine that there +>would be an even lower risk with an oil plug because you have +>to crawl furthur under the car to open it. +> +>Car vandals are usually real traditional in their methods, and do things +>that don't get them dirty, like keying your car, dumping sand, sugar +>or mothballs in the gas tank, TPing it, etc. + +USUALLY....go enough places and you'll see stuff happen you didn't think did. + + +Steve +";10;True +"From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) +Subject: Re: Getting Off to an Early Start! +Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu +Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) +Organization: PhDs In The Hall +Lines: 61 + +Patrick Townson writes: +>So ... the Jury will be making its announcement at 7:00 AM Saturday +>morning Pacific Time .... 10:00 AM Eastern Time. Why such an ungodly +>hour? +> +>Maybe by making the announcement at 7:00 AM on the west coast, +>they figure all the rioters will be asleep, giving the troops +>time to move into place. + +Since the actual verdicts were not known by the authorities, it was +smart not to allow ""Friday night for fighting"" (sorry, Elton) and to +seal them for this morning. Also, it allows for maximum daylight to +wear down and frustrate any potential troublemakers, as well as give +more preparation time. + +>I guess we can look forward to a weekend of rioting, eh? + +Are you a local news intern? (-; + +>The Mayor of Los Angeles, in a press conference about 3:00 AM +>Saturday morning, ... + +Actually, that was 8 PM 'cos it was shown live on our 11 PM news +and cut into CNN's 11 O'clock Sports (sorry, but I didn't watch +the Devils-Islanders game! No SportsChannel ...). + +>Meanwhile, following the announcement of the jury's verdict, the +>judge, jury and assorted court personnel will be evacuated from the +>building via helicopters landing on the roof of the courthouse. They +>can't even walk out through the front door with their heads held +>high. + +We had cutovers to LA's KNBC on our WNBC, and I didn't recall this +detail. But I'll not comment further on that ... + +>Won't the rioters have a surprise waiting for them when they wake +>up later today! + +A net-contact in L.A. tells me that the alert will remain over this +weekend, as some elements may find excuse over the not-guilty verdicts +on three of five charges (the aiding-and-abetting). Those acquittals +seem to balance out the fact that Rodney King himself was not any kind +of angel that night, speeding and fleeing et al. However ... Another +consideration is any street celebrations over the two convictions on +the excessive force charges (Koons for incompetance, and Powell for +overreacting --- both guilty as heck even from the view of NYPD cops +interviewed) that might get out of hand. )-; Also, some elements +may take the acquittals as an excuse to challenge the cops (a dumb +move, obviously). And, Koreans are still scared and certain people +are really mad over how they have armed themselves in the last year. + +A Commander from Nassau, Long Island was questioned about how his +people would have handled Rodney King, and he said ""We'd have let +him roll around in the dirt 'til he got tired, then handcuff him"". + +gld +-- +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ +Gary L. Dare +> gld@columbia.EDU GO Winnipeg Jets GO!!! +> gld@cunixc.BITNET Selanne + Domi ==> Stanley +";18;True +"From: philly@ravel.udel.edu (Robert C Hite) +Subject: Re: DAVE KINGMAN FOR THE HALL OF FAME +Keywords: Hall of Fame, Winfield, Kingman, Murray, Joe Lundy, :-) +Nntp-Posting-Host: ravel.udel.edu +Organization: University of Delaware +Distribution: na +Lines: 15 + +In article mss@netcom.com (Mark Singer) writes: +> +>I'm no Kingman fan. Just thought I'd point out that he's the +>only player in history to have five three-HR games. Joe Carter +>has four. Eddie Murray three. McCovey and Gehrig also three. +>Ruth, Mays, Foxx and Dawson two each. +> + +Didn't Mike Schmidt also do this at least three times? I can +remember twice in Wrigley Field alone...he did it the same day +Kong did it in a 23-22 shootout, and he swatted four there one +day in April '76 (the month he set the April record with 11 HR's. +Anybody remember any of this? (I was just a kid) + + +";14;True +"Subject: Re: NHLPA poll (partial stats/results) +From: caldwell8102@mtroyal.ab.ca +Organization: Mount Royal College, Calgary, Alberta +Lines: 10 + +In article Young-Soo Che writes: +>All these people who send in their polls should take a closer look at +>NJD, they are a very deep team, with two very capable goalies, and +>excellent forwards and defensemen. Shooter in Richer, an all around do +>it all in Todd, chef Stasny-master of a thousand dishes, power play + +Kevin Todd is an Oiler and has been one for months. How closely do you follow +the Devils, anyway? Jeez.... + + Alan +";13;True +"From: winstead@faraday.ece.cmu.edu (Charles Holden Winstead) +Subject: ftp site for Radius software??? +Organization: Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon + +Hey All, + +Does anyone know if I can ftp to get the newest version of Radiusware +and soft pivot from Radius? I bought a pivot monitor, but it has an +old version of this software and won't work on my C650, and Radius said +it would be 4-5 weeks until delivery. + +Thanks! + +-Chuck + + +";0;True +"From: sprattli@azores.crd.ge.com (Rod Sprattling) +Subject: Self-Insured (was: Should liability insurance be required?) +Nntp-Posting-Host: azores.crd.ge.com +Reply-To: sprattli@azores.crd.ge.com (Rod Sprattling) +Organization: GE Corp R&D Center, Schenectady NY +Lines: 27 + +In article , +viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) writes: +|> I get annoyed at insurance. Hence, I'm self-insured above +|>liability. Mandating that I play their game is silly if I've a better +|>game to play and everybody is still financially secure. + +What's involved in getting bonded? Anyone know if that's an option +recognized by NYS DMV? + +Rod +--- +Roderick Sprattling | No job too great, no time too small +sprattli@azores.crd.ge.com | With feet to fire and back to wall. + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +";7;True +"From: poe@wharton.upenn.edu +Subject: AMD i486 clones: Now legal in US?!?!?! +Organization: University of Pennsylvania +Lines: 7 +Nntp-Posting-Host: fred.wharton.upenn.edu + +A friend of mine called me on the phone and told me he was wathcing CNN +and saw a report that the ruling prohibiting AMD from selling their i486 +clones has been thrown out, making it legal for AMD to ship in the US. +Can anyone out there verify this? + +Thanks in advance +Phil +";5;True +"From: rene@hardy.u.washington.edu (Rene Magritte) +Subject: Re: Win NT - what is it??? +Article-I.D.: shelley.1qnaesINNemf +Organization: University of Washington +Lines: 30 +NNTP-Posting-Host: hardy.u.washington.edu + +wild@access.digex.com (wildstrom) writes: + +>rmohns@vax.clarku.edu writes: + +>>Chicogo is what I want to use. It is, like NT, a true OS with thrue +>>multitasking and multithreading, but has much smaller hardware requirements, +>>and does not meet DOD security specs (but that's okay since it will probably +>>be more of a client OS). there are a few otehr differences, but those are the +>>main ones. There was an article about Chicogo in PC Week last August. +>> The Chicogo and NT development groups at Micro$oft are in intense +>>competition, so it is said. However, I think a different relationship will +>>arise: NT will be the server (*N*etowrk *T*echonology), Chicogo will be the +>>client machine. It is entirely possible for different OS's to work together, +>>partly because Chicogo is just a small NT (think of it that way, anyway). +>>(Novell Netware creates an OS on the server that is truly not DOS, so don't +>>scorn the concept.) +>> Anyway, don't expect it soon. Windows 4 and DOS 7 are supposed to be +>>released next year (read: see it in 95), so I expect that Chicogo won't be out +>>til '96. +>How does Chicago differ from the (sort of) announced Windows 4. My understand- +>ing, at least from the InbfoWorld accound of Windows 4 is that it's sort +>of NT Lite--a full-fledged operating system but lacking server and security +>features that make NT such a bear. Is W4 not true multithreading? + + + Can anyone tell me how Chicago/Windows 4 would differ from +OS/2 2.x? Believe it or not, I'm not trying to start a flame war, +here. I'm simply curious if there is going to be any feature +advantage in either of these products (I do not consider the fact that +it has uncle bills seal of approval much of a feature...) +";6;True +"From: pkeenan@s.psych.uiuc.edu (Patricia Keenan) +Subject: Re: Quick easy question! +Organization: UIUC Department of Psychology +Lines: 16 + +rauser@fraser.sfu.ca (Richard John Rauser) writes: + + + +> Here's an easy question for someone who knows nothing about baseball... + +> What city do the California Angels play out of? + + Anaheim. + +>-- +>Richard J. Rauser ""You have no idea what you're doing."" +>rauser@sfu.ca ""Oh, don't worry about that. We're professional +>WNI outlaws - we do this for a living."" +>----------------- +>""Remember, no matter where you go, there you are."" -Dr.Banzai +";14;True +"From: staffan@alsys.se (Staffan K-E Ungsgard) +Subject: Genius Mouse driver +Summary: Genius mouse driver wanted +Keywords: mouse, genius +Organization: Alsys AB (Telesoft Norden AB) +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] +Lines: 15 + +Hello fellow netlanders. + +I have a Genius Mouse model GM-6, but no driver for it. +It's a 3 button mouse. If anyone that;s got one of theese +could mail me a driver (config.sys or autoexec.bat) I would +be very happy. + + + + +-- + Staffan Ungsgard : Internet: + Telesoft Norden AB : Staffan.Ungsgard@nynashamn.telesoft.se + Utsiktsvagen 10, : Phone: +46-8 52069014 + Nynashamn, Sweden : Fax: +46-8 52020965 +";5;True +"From: crh@regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.dbp.de (Christian Huebner) +Subject: Re: Manual Shift Bigots +Organization: Technical University of Munich, Germany +Lines: 33 + +In rec.autos you write: + +>if ayrton senna can drive a racecar with fully automatic transmission, +>it can't be half bad.. :-) + +This McLaren auto-transmission (I still think it's only half auto, +but You may be right) has NOTHING to do with Your GM, Chrysler, Volvo, +or whatever auto transmission. It's a normal manual transmission +gearbox with clutch and all, but there are servo motors, which do +the shifting. + +That means, there is no power loss in the drivetrain (if You take out +minimal mechanical friction), and the sami-auto transmissions +(Ferrari, Williams, McLaren(?),...) don't tell You, when to shift, +either. However, these transmissions share an important disadvantage +with Your stock auto-trannie: They are EXPENSIVE. + +As long as these servo-shifted gearboxes aren't available on +'normal' cars I'm gonna stick with my manual. I just can't see an +advantage to make up for two grand I lose in this deal and the +loss in mileage and power (except maybe in real heavy traffic). But +then I drive mostly on the autobahn and country roads anyway. + +There's no point in making a religion out of this, I just wanted to +point out a few technical facts and MY OWN opinion, so there's +no need for a flame war. + +>eliot + +Have a safe ride + +Chris + +";10;True +"From: davewood@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (David Rex Wood) +Subject: Calling a library which creates widgets (multiple times) +Nntp-Posting-Host: bruno.cs.colorado.edu +Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder +Lines: 91 + +A few days ago I posted a question about trying to call a function which set +up an X app multiple times. It was pointed out that XtAppInitialize() should +never be called more than once. This helped. However, I am still having +some problems. Below is a new little test program that more closely models +my real program. In the actual program, I am writing a library, callable +from any other program. This means that the first time the lib function is +called, it must initialize things, and after that, it should just use the +old stuff (still around because of static variables). In the demo below, +main() represents the main program calling my library and doit() represents +the interface to the library function. + +#include +#include +#include +#include +#include + +void bla(XtAppContext app, Widget top) +{ + Widget topone = top; // in real prog, these are member vars + XtAppContext theapp = app; // of a class + int junk = 0; + Display *dis = XtOpenDisplay(theapp, NULL, NULL, NULL, NULL, 0, &junk, + NULL); + + Widget box = XtVaCreateManagedWidget(""blaaa"", xmPushButtonWidgetClass, + topone, + XmNheight, 50, + XmNwidth, 50, + NULL); + + XtRealizeWidget(topone); + for (int i=0;i<=25;i++) // real prog returns when ""Exit"" button clicked + { + XEvent event; + XtAppNextEvent(theapp, &event); + XtDispatchEvent(&event); + } + XtDestroyWidget(box); + XtCloseDisplay(dis); +} + +// SetItUp - should be called once only +void SetItUp(XtAppContext *app, Widget *top) +{ + int junk = 0; + (*top)=XtAppInitialize (app, ""test"", NULL, 0, &junk, NULL, + NULL, NULL, 0); +} + +// doit - some library function callable from the outside +void doit() +{ + static XtAppContext app; // use these every time called + static Widget top; + + static int setup = 0; + + if (!setup) + { + SetItUp(&app, &top); + setup = 1; + } + bla(app, top); +} + +// main - program which links to my library +main() +{ + for (int i=0;i<=20;i++) + { + doit(); + printf(""sleeping...\n"");//widget still on screen at this point + sleep(5); + } +} + + +The problem is that the widget does not go away until the new one is created. +(It is still on the screen -- unusuable -- during the ""sleep"" in the main prog, +despite the XtDestroyWidget call). + +Anyone see something I'm missing? + +Thanks very much. + +(Please respond via email) +-- +------------------------------------------------------------------------------- +David Rex Wood -- davewood@cs.colorado.edu -- University of Colorado at Boulder +------------------------------------------------------------------------------- +";12;True +"From: bob1@cos.com (Bob Blackshaw) +Subject: Re: No humanity in Bosnia +Keywords: Barbarism +Organization: Corporation for Open Systems +Distribution: world +Lines: 47 + +In <1993Apr15.135934.23814@julian.uwo.ca> mrizvi@gfx.engga.uwo.ca (Mr. Mubashir Rizvi) writes: + +>It is very encouraging that a number of people took so interest in my posting.I recieved a couple of letters too,some has debated the statement that events in Bosnia are unprecedented in the history of the modern world.Those who contest this statement present the figures of the World War II.However we must keep in mind that it was a World War and no country had the POWER to stop it,today is the matter not of the POWER but of the WILL.It +>seems to be that what we lack is the will. + +The idea of the U.S, or any other nation, taking action, i.e., military +intervention, in Bosnia has not been well thought out by those who +advocate such action. After the belligerants are subdued, it would require +an occupation force for one or two generations. If you will stop and +think about it, you will realize that these people have never forgotten +a single slight or injury, they have imbibed hatred with their mother's +milk. If we stop the fighting, seize and destroy all weapons, they will +simply go back to killing each other with clubs. And the price for this +futility will be the lives of the young men and women we send there to +die. A price I am unwilling to even consider. + +>Second point of difference (which makes it different from the holocast(sp?) ) is that at that time international community +>didnot have enough muscle to prevent the unfortunate event, + +There is no valid comparison to the Holocaust. All of the Jewish people +that I have known as friends were not brought up to hate. To be wary of +others, most certainly, but not to hate. And except for the Warsaw +uprising, they were unarmed (and even in Warsaw badly out-gunned). +It is very easy to speak of muscle when they are someone else's muscles. +Suppose we do this thing, what will you tell the parents, wives, children, +lovers of those we are sending to die? That they gave their lives in some noble cause? Noble cause, separating some mad dogs who will turn on them. + +Well, I will offer you some muscle. Suppose we tell them that they have +one week (this will give foreign nationals time to leave) to cease +their bloodshed. At the end of that week, bring in the Tomahawk firing +ships and destroy Belgrade as they destroyed the Bosnian cities. Perhaps +when some of their cities are reduced to rubble they will have a sudden +attack of brains. Send in missiles by all means, but do not send in +troops. + +>today inspite of all the might,the international community is not just standing neutral but has placed an arms embargo which + +By all means lift the embargo. + +>is to the obvious disadvantage of the weeker side and therefore to the advantage of the bully.Hence indirecltly and possibly +>unintentionally, mankind has sided with the killers.And this,I think is unprecedented in the history of the modern world. + +Which killers? Do you honestly believe they are all on one side? + +>M.Rizvi +> +REB +";15;True +"From: wtm@uhura.neoucom.edu (Bill Mayhew) +Subject: Re: electronic odometers (was: Used BMW Question ..... ???) +Organization: Northeastern Ohio Universities College of Medicine +Lines: 32 + +I consulted with someone working on an electronic odometer. The +design was to use a microprocessor based system to write a somewhat +ofuscated pattern into an EEPROM. The idea was to make the circuit +difficult to program arbitrary values into the EEPROM. The +secondary purpose, acutally the primary purpose from the standpoint +of practicality, was to distributed the writes so as to avoid +exceeing the maximum number of writes fof the EEPROM being used. +The microprocessor also ignored pulses coming from the Hall effect +at a rate any higher than 110 MPH so as to make spoofing the reading +by bench pulsing at least somewhat undesirable. This was for an +automobile that was not expected to ever exceed 110 MPH in +operation. The case, of course, might not be the same for your +1993 RX-7! + +The ECM modules of some cars do indeed store info about conditions +under which cars have been operated. Since steering angle and +velocity data, etc is available it would not be difficult to +collect all sorts of interesting demographic information about the +drivers' use of the car. I am not aware of any manufacturer +currently trying to enforce warranty restrictions based on reading +out use data from the ECM. While it could be a potential invasion +of your privacy for manufacturers to have access to data about your +driving style, it could also provide valuable information from +actual field use conditions to help engineer more appropriate cars. +I personally wouldn't mind the dealer collecting my driving +demographics as long as it is done in an anonymous fashion. + + +-- +Bill Mayhew NEOUCOM Computer Services Department +Rootstown, OH 44272-9995 USA phone: 216-325-2511 +wtm@uhura.neoucom.edu (140.220.1.1) 146.580: N8WED +";10;True +"From: dannyb@panix.com (Daniel Burstein) +Subject: Re: (Q) CONNER HD specs +Organization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC +Lines: 17 + +In <199304181719.AA08489@sune.stacken.kth.se> hhaldre@stacken.kth.se (Heikki Haldre) writes: + +>Can anybody send CONNER CP-321 harddisk specifications? +>It has 612 Cyl, and 4 HD, but I am more intrested in its time-out values, +>precomp, etc. + +>Heikki Haldre Internet: hhaldre@sune.stacken.kth.se + +conner peripherals has a 1-800 number with a touch-tone /voice response +data bank giving all the info. + +if you call 1-800 directory assisatnce (1-800-555-1212) and ask for the +phone number of ""conner peripherals,"" you should get what you need. + +dannyb@panix.com +all the usual disclaimers apply, whatever they may be. + +";5;True +"From: blh@uiboise.idbsu.edu (Broward L. Horne) +Subject: Clinton's Wiretapping Initiative +X-Received: by usenet.pa.dec.com; id AA05890; Fri, 16 Apr 93 11:05:06 -0700 +X-Received: by inet-gw-2.pa.dec.com; id AA23713; Fri, 16 Apr 93 11:03:42 -0700 +X-Received: by uiboise.idbsu.edu + (16.6/16.2) id AA29234; Thu, 15 Apr 93 13:23:52 -0600 +X-To: talk.politics.misc.usenet +X-Cc: alt.politics.clinton.usenet +X-Mailer: Elm [revision: 66.25] +Lines: 19 + + + If you look through this newsgroup, you should be + able to find Clinton's proposed ""Wiretapping"" Initiative + for our computer networks and telephone systems. + + This 'initiative"" has been up before Congress for at least + the past 6 months, in the guise of the ""FBI Wiretapping"" + bill. + + I strongly urge you to begin considering your future. + + I strongly urge you to get your application for a passport + in the mail soon. + + I strongly urge you to consider moving any savings you + have overseas, into protected bank accounts, while + you are still able. + + +";18;True +"From: adykes@jpradley.jpr.com (Al Dykes) +Subject: I need a definition of the SPEC and Dhrystone benchmarks +Organization: Unix in NYC +Distribution: na +Lines: 15 + + +I need definitions of the SPEC and Dhrystone benchmarks. Any background +material would also be welcome. + +If anyoneand email something to me or point me to an anonymous FTP server +I'd appreciate it. + +Thanks. + +Al Dykes +-------- +adykes@jpr.com +adykes@ad.com + + +";5;True +"From: osprey@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Lucas Adamski) +Subject: Re: Fast polygon routine needed +Keywords: polygon, needed +Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign +Lines: 19 + +In article <7306@pdxgate.UUCP> idr@rigel.cs.pdx.edu (Ian D Romanick) writes: +>What kind of polygons? Shaded? Texturemapped? Hm? More comes into play with +>fast routines than just ""polygons"". It would be nice to know exaclty what +>system (VGA is a start, but what processor?) and a few of the specifics of the +>implementation. You need to give more info if you want to get any answers! :P + +I don't want texture mapped, cause if I did I'd asked for them. :) Just +a simple and fast routine to do filled polygons. As for the processor, it'd +be for a minimum of a 286... maybe 386 if I can't find a good one for 286s. +Ideally, I want a polyn function that can clip to a user-defined viewport, +and write to an arbitrary location in memory. Of course the chances of +finding something like that are pretty remote, so I guess I'd need the source +with it. Oh, and I guess it would need to be in ASM otherwise it'd be too +slow. I've seen some polygon routines in C, and they've all been waaay too +slow. Its for a 3D vector graphics program. I've been hunting high and low +for a polyn function in ASM, and I can't find one anywhere that I can use. +I've found one or two polyn functions, but my ASM is pretty bad, so I won't +even try to rewrite them. :) + //Lucas. +";1;True +"From: dilmore@cray.com (Robert J. Dilmore) +Subject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time +Lines: 27 +Nntp-Posting-Host: techops.cray.com +Organization: Cray Research, Inc. + +In article bhtulin@unix.amherst.edu (Barak H. Tulin) writes: +>I just started reading this thread today, so forgive me if it has already been +>mentioned. But...what was the deal with Renault's putting the horn on the +>left-hand turn-signal stalk? It was a button on the end, where the washer +>button would be on the wiper/washer stalk. Could the Frenchies not figure +>out the wiring through the steering wheel, or what? + + Well, before we start calling the Engineering folks in France a bunch of +braindeads for this... + My 1979 Mercury Capri had this lovely feature. This was not the earlier +German variant but the newer one that was identical to the Mustang of +current fame. I can't tell you how many times this feature pissed me off. +Come to think of it my brothers Zepher had this as well. + +Robert Dilmore +dilmore@cray.com + +> +>Going back to an earlier thread, imagine having to turn left, shift gears, +>flash a stray driver in the intersection with your left-hand high beam on +>the headlight stalk, AND, after the driver wouldn't move, having to honk the +>horn on the left-hand stalk! Gives me the heebie-jeebies. +> +>--Barak +> + + +";10;True +"From: jcorry@erasure_sl.cc.emory.edu (Jeremy Corry) +Subject: MBenz 300 series, VW Passat +Lines: 31 +Nntp-Posting-Host: erasure_sl.cc.emory.edu + +-- +My boss is interested in a new 300 series Mercedes Benz wagon. +Does anyone have any testimonial evidence and/or strong opinions +on this car (or line)? + +Particularly, I would like to hear about power (manual t. only) +reliability, feel, and any unusually good or bad features of the +line. + +She currently drives a VW Passat, and is being plagued by its +electrical problems. The dealer claims there is nothing wrong, +even though the doors have a habit of locking and unlocking them- +selves while you are driving down the road. The automatic shoulder +restraints also like to move back and forth as you move along. +She does not have the new, larger engine and is quite +dissatisfied with its lack of power. + +The MB wagon would have to have more power and no peculiar problems +such as the Passat's electrical system. She is also considering +a Saab 9000 (add some letters). Any comparisons between the 9000 +line and the Mercedes would be helpful. + +Price is not an impediment. + +-------------------------------------------------------------------------- +Jeremy J. Corry | Churchill claimed the traditions +jcorry@erasure_sl.cc.emory.edu | of the navy are rum, mutiny, and + __ | sodomy. + \/ + My opinions are my own, but I probably got them from someone else. +-------------------------------------------------------------------------- +";10;True +"From: phil@csc.liv.ac.uk (Phil Jimmieson) +Subject: Duo Dock problems +Organization: Computer Science, Liverpool University +Lines: 23 +Nntp-Posting-Host: ama.csc.liv.ac.uk + +Has anyone had any problems with their Duo Dock not ejecting the Duo +properly? + +When I first got it, the Duo would come out of the Dock a couple of inches +when ejected, and I had to pull it the rest of the way. Nowadays (and I've +had the system for 4 months), the Duo doesn't come out *at* *all* - despite +the fact that the mechanism makes all the appropriate noises, and I have to +grab hold of it and pull it out myself. Is there a simple fix for this, or +do I have to return it to my Apple Dealer, where it will languish for weeks +while I have to make do with no colour display, no VRAM, no floppy or +SCSI etc. + +(BTW, it's not that the Duo is locked into the Dock - it just doesn't +want to slide out any more). + + +-- +Phil Jimmieson, *********************************************** +Computer Science Dept., * JANET : phil@uk.ac.liv.csc * +Liverpool University, * INTERNET : phil@csc.liv.ac.uk * +PO Box 147 *********************************************** +Liverpool L69 3BX ""I was head over heels in love until I got cramp"" +(UK) 051-794-3689 +";0;True +"From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) +Subject: Re: compartment syndrome - general information, references, etc. +Keywords: compartment syndrome, blood clots +Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) +Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science +Lines: 20 + +In article <639@cfdd50.boeing.com> lry1219@cfdd50.boeing.com (Larry Yeagley) writes: +>I have an acquaintance who has been diagnosed as having blood clots and +>""compartment syndrome"". I searched the latest edition of the Columbia medical +>encyclopedia and found nothing. Mosby's medical dictionary gives a very brief +>description which suggests it's an arterial condition. Can someone point me (an + +Compartment syndrome occurs when swelling happens in a ""compartment"" +bounded by fascia. The pressure rises in the compartment and blood +supply and nerves are compromised. The treatment is to open the +compartment surgically. THe most common places for compartment +syndromes are the forearm and calf. It is an emergency, since +if the pressure is not relieved, stuff will die. + + + +-- +---------------------------------------------------------------------------- +Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and +geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" +---------------------------------------------------------------------------- +";4;True +"From: c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos) +Subject: Re: Ad said Nissan Altima best seller? +Organization: Delco Electronics Corp. +Lines: 23 + +In article <1r0vk6INNaft@cronkite.Central.Sun.COM> dbernard@clesun.Central.Sun.COM writes: +>>I too was puzzled by this obvious untruth. What I think is going on is that +>>Nissan claims that the Altima is ""the best selling new car namelplate in +>>the US"" (I think I have this near verbatim). Lee Iaccoca's statistics +>>dept. would have been proud of that sentence. +> +>Note that the Corolla/Prism are also new designs... but hey are not new +>""nameplates."" I guess Nissan doesn't even sell as many Altimas as +>Toyota does Corollas, or there would be no ""nameplate"" qualifier. + +But waiiiiiit, isn't Nissan officially registering the car as far as +government paperwork goes, Nissan Stanza Altima, to avoid costly and +lengthy paperwork? I read this on the net a while ago, and someone +actually may have said there's a little Stanza logo on the Altima +somewhere. + +You *can* have it both ways :-) + +Spiros +-- +Spiros Triantafyllopoulos c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com +Software Technology, Delco Electronics (317) 451-0815 +GM Hughes Electronics, Kokomo, IN 46904 ""I post, therefore I ARMM"" +";10;True +"From: jslam@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (joseph.lam) +Subject: Re: Request for Islanders e-mail list +Article-I.D.: cbnewsl.1993Apr5.183014.16567 +Distribution: na +Organization: AT&T +Lines: 26 + +In article <1993Apr3.014237.20959@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> bui@ee470.ee.mcgill.ca (BUI/DON/MR) writes: +>In article <16b5xvf@rpi.edu> wangr@rpi.edu writes: +>>>If anyone out there is keeping an Islanders e-mail list, could you +>>>please add me to it? Thanks in advance. +>> +>>>Ercu +>> +>> Can u add me onto the list too....Thanks... +>> +>>Rex +> +>Count me IN !!!! +> +>Go Isles! +> +> -Don +> +>bui@ee470.ee.mcgill.ca +> + +Please count me in also... + +Just can't tell you how excited I was when the Islanders beat the Rangers +in overtime on last Friday!!! + +Go Isles! +";13;True +"From: bc744@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Ira Kaufman) +Subject: Re: Final Solution for Gaza ? +Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) +Lines: 227 +NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu + + + + +Center for Policy Research writes... + + +>Subject: Final Solution for Gaza ? +> +> +>Final Solution for the Gaza ghetto ? +>------------------------------------ +> +>While Israeli Jews fete the uprising of the Warsaw ghetto, they +>repress by violent means the uprising of the Gaza ghetto and +>attempt to starve the Gazans. + + Your comparison with the Warsaw Ghetto uprising is insulting, + and racist beyond belief. The attempts to quiet any violence + in the Gaza Strip are just that. The efforts to quell murder + and mayhem in the Gaza strip were the resluts of violence and + came AFTER the violence. It was not an arbitrary racial move + like the nazi treatment of Jews. Jews had NOT committed acts + of violence and murder as have the residents of Gaza. I find + your eagerness to ignore the acts of murder nothing more than + anti-Israel bigotry. + + +>The Gaza strip, this tiny area of land with the highest population +>density in the world, has been cut off from the world for weeks. +>The Israeli occupier has decided to punish the whole population of +>Gaza, some 700.000 people, by denying them the right to leave the +>strip and seek work in Israel. + + It is NOT punishment, but protection from repeated attacks by + residents of Gaza. You self-servingly omit any references to + WHY Israel has had to take action. Apparaently the deaths of + innocent Israeli civilians do not enter into your equation, a + racist ommission on your part. + + +>While Polish non-Jews risked their lives to save Jews from the +>Ghetto, no Israeli Jew is known to have risked his life to help +>the Gazan resistance. The only help given to Gazans by Israeli +>Jews, only dozens of people, is humanitarian assistance. +> +>The right of the Gazan population to resist occupation is +>recognized in international law and by any person with a sense of +>justice. A population denied basic human rights is entitled to +>rise up against its tormentors. + + The right of Israel to protect its citizens from murderers is + also recognized by international law. Israeli civilians have + been getting stabbed to death on a daily basis. If this wave + of murder does not matter to you, then your posturing for the + basic human rights you claim matter so much to you is nothing + but an anti-Israel charade. + + +>As is known, the Israeli regime is considering Gazans unworthy of +>Israeli citizenship and equal rights in Israel, although they are +>considered worthy to do the dirty work in Israeli hotels, shops +>and fields. + + Do you know of residents of Gaza who have applied for Israeli + citizenship and were denied? I have heard of no such denials + taking place. Can you document this, or is this more of your + stupid and innacurate propaganda? The truth is that if Gazan + residents applied for citizenship, HAMAS would murder them as + collaborators. + + + Many Gazans are born in towns and villages located in +>Israel. They may not live there, for these areas are reserved for +>the Master Race. + + How dare you use such a disgusting phrase. How very easy you + attack a people, when you omit facts which fly in the face of + your pure racism. Perhaps you are judging a people to be the + racists that you are. Do you believe that all Jews must have + the same bigoted makeup as you? + + Here's another little fly in your ointment, about the 'master + race,' for you to avoid... + + Two months ago a plane with 86 Bosnian Muslims left Bosnia to + seek asylum in the middle east. Four Arab nations refused to + grant them asylum. Then when Israli Arabs agreed to take the + responsibility for them, they were allowed into Israel. Yes, + Israel. But when the plane landed, the Israeli Arabs who had + previously agreed to take care of them refused to be involved + with the rescue project, because they felt that it would make + Israel look good. It was more important to avoid any good PR + for Israel than to take care of fellow Muslims. Israel moved + them to a kibbutz, where they are safe and secure. The truth + is that time after time the Islamic world has turned its back + on Muslims in need more than Israel has. Even in the case of + the 400 deportees, Lebanon was willing to let their so-called + Arab brothers freeze to death rather than give them sanctuary + in Lebanon. + + Nearly twice as many Palestinians have been murdered by other + Palestinians than in confrontations with Israel. Hundreds of + thousands of Palestinians had been deported from Kuwait, just + because they were Palestinian. The truth is that your phoney + concern for the welfare of the Palestinians is nothing but an + excuse to attack Israel. You are part of the ignorant effort + to confine all concern for the welfare of the Palestinians to + attacking Israel. But the truth is there are greater reasons + than Israel for the plight of the Palestinians. To disregard + Jordan or Kuwait or Saudi Arabia or any of the other oil-rich + nations who do nothing for these people, is to use the plight + of these poor people as a vehicle for your hatred of Jews, or + your hatred of Israel. Anti-semitism and anti-Zionism is NOT + the same as pro-Palestinian and anyone who insists that it is + the same really does not give two hoots for their welfare. + + +>The Nazi regime accorded to the residents of the Warsaw ghetto the +>right to self- administration. They selected Jews to pacify the +>occupied population and preventing any form of resistance. Some +>Jewish collaborators were killed. Israel also wishes to rule over +>Gaza through Arab collaborators. + + Your pathetic analogy is so absent of relevant fact that your + racism cannot be disguised. Jews had never declared war on a + Polish people. Jews had never attacked Poles with knives, or + had used the Ghetto as a staging ground for attacks. To take + something like the Warsaw Ghetto(the creation of which you do + not even bother to discuss!)and the uprising that followed is + to degrade the dead, and to show that intelligent debate on a + difficult situation is beyond your intellectual purview. You + clearly have never even read a single word of the Covenant of + the Islamic Resistance Movement. Here is arguably the single + most anti-semitic genocidal document since Mein Kampf, yet it + is totally disregarded in your rantings. Your racism is most + evident in your eagerness to avoid such documentation. If it + were considered, you might actually have to deal with mideast + problems in a balanced manner, rather than in an anti-semitic + manner. + + +>As Israel denies Gazans the only two options which are compatible +>with basic human rights and international law, that of becoming +>Israeli citizens with full rights or respecting their right for +>self-determination, it must be concluded that the Israeli Jewish +>society does not consider Gazans full human beings. + + And just how was Gaza obtained? Do you forget that Israel is + not in the habit of grabbing land for the hell of it, but had + taken Gaza in a war that it did not start? Did you know land + Israel captures in wars, wars which other nations have ALWAYS + started, aren't the same as Israel, and they are subject to a + completely different set of international laws? Since you do + continuously refer to international law, would you please say + what specific international laws Israel is violating? + + + This attitude +>is consistent with the attitude of the Nazis towards Jews. + + I can cite 6,000,000 reasons why it is not. + + +> The +>current policies by the Israeli government of cutting off Gaza are +>consistent with the wish publicly expressed by Prime Mininister +>Yitzhak Rabin that 'Gaza sink into the sea'. + + Where is this quote? I have never heard Rabin assert that he + wished such a thing. Since you are in general a liar, you'll + have to provide the entire quote, with source, or this effort + will be regarded as just another one of your fabrications. + + +> One is led to ask +>oneself whether Israeli leaders entertain still more sinister +>goals towards the Gazans ? Whether they have some Final Solution +>up their sleeve ? + + Only you are led to ask such a loaded, racist, intellectually + dishonest question. You inability to come to terms with what + you are has turned you into a racist of the highest order. + + +>I urge all those who have slight human compassion to do whatever +>they can to help the Gazans regain their full human, civil and +>political rights, to which they are entitled as human beings. + + Why do you not feel the same compassion for the Jews of Iran, + or Iraq, or Yemen, or Saudi Arabia, or Syria? Do you have an + inkling of what they have endured over the past decades? Or, + what about the plight of the Palestinians in Kuwait? Or what + about the treatment of the Bosnian Muslims? Do you think the + residents of Gaza are being subjected to what all the Muslims + in Bosnia are enduring? Why are you indifferent to the death + and suffering of people? Why do you not care that these folk + are being exterminated? Why do you not care that only Israel + has given any of these people safe haven? Could it be due to + the fact that it is not Israel who is doing the killing? The + people in Gaza are not being exterminated. They aren't being + killed. They aren't being raped. They aren't being starved. + They aren't being driven from their lands. They are not kept + from receiving food or other supplies. But the Bosnians are. + And the ONLY country which has provided some sanctuary to the + Bosnian Muslims is the same nation that you have devoted your + life to attacking, in the guise of compassion. + + Your rantings are so unfettered by the burden of intellectual + honesty that you ought to take a deep breath and ask yourself + what your real motives are. Do not flatter yourself into the + belief that truth or compassion are what drives you. In your + case, it is clear that hate beats out love every time. Maybe + you are burdened with some kind of guilt for having been born + a Jew. It is obvious that your hatred of your own Judaism is + being dumped on all other Jews. Why else would you suggest a + racist idea like breeding Jews out of existence? Maybe these + fits of anti-semitism are a result of being cut off from your + own people for an extended period. Whatever the case may be, + it is clear that you are not what you have labored so hard to + appear to be. When you realize that you can't care for other + people while you hate yourself you might actually begin to do + some good. + + But for now, you are a fruad. + + + +";15;True +"From: jonni@rhi.hi.is (Jon Ingi Thorvaldsson) +Subject: Can I only insert 16 color pics in WfW2.0 +Lines: 9 +Nntp-Posting-Host: hengill.rhi.hi.is + + +well, the subject says just about all I intended to ask: + +Is there no way to insert a 256 color into WfW 2.0 ? + +When I try it, the picture turns into a 16 color pic. + + +jonni. +";6;True +"From: ab@nova.cc.purdue.edu (Allen B) +Subject: Re: TIFF: philosophical significance of 42 +Organization: Purdue University +Lines: 19 + +In article <1993Apr14.191415.10553@samba.oit.unc.edu> cptully@med.unc.edu +(Christopher P. Tully,Pathology,62699) writes: +> Why so up tight? FOr that matter, TIFF6 is out now, so why not gripe +> about its problems? Also, if its so important to you, volunteer to +> help define or critique the spec. + +I've got the 6.0 spec (obviously since I quoted it in my last posting). +My gripe about TIFF is that it's far too complicated and nearly +infinitely easier to write than to read, which I think hurts your +acceptance by anything that will need to read those images (e.g., +paint programs). + +In a nutshell, I don't think TIFF is salvageable unless the fat is +trimmed significantly- and then it wouldn't be TIFF anymore. They +keep trying to cut it back, but it's late now. Maybe they >will< fix it, +and change that magic number to signify the lack of compatibility. +That would probably make me happy. + +ab +";1;True +"From: bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert Beauchaine) +Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is +Organization: Tektronix Inc., Beaverton, Or. +Lines: 18 + +In article cobb@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Mike Cobb) writes: +>What do you base your belief on atheism on? Your knowledge and reasoning? +>COuldn't that be wrong? +> + + Actually, my atheism is based on ignorance. Ignorance of the + existence of any god. Don't fall into the ""atheists don't believe + because of their pride"" mistake. + + +/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ + +Bob Beauchaine bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM + +They said that Queens could stay, they blew the Bronx away, +and sank Manhattan out at sea. + +^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +";9;True +"From: pmetzger@snark.shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger) +Subject: are we being hysterical? No! +In-Reply-To: amolitor@nmsu.edu's message of 17 Apr 1993 17:54:23 GMT +Reply-To: pmetzger@lehman.com +Organization: Lehman Brothers + <1qpg8fINN982@dns1.NMSU.Edu> +Distribution: na +Lines: 80 + + +In article <1qpg8fINN982@dns1.NMSU.Edu> amolitor@nmsu.edu (Andrew Molitor) writes: + +>In article +> tcmay@netcom.com (Timothy C. May) writes: +>> +>>But is it any worse than the current unsecure system? It becomes much +>>worse, of course, if the government then uses this ""Clinton Clipper"" +>>to argue for restrictions on unapproved encryption. (This is the main +>>concern of most of us, I think. The camel's nose in the tent, etc.) +>> + +> Not to pick on Mr. May in particular, of course, but isn't this +>kind of the domino theory? + +As John Gilmore has pointed out repeatedly, if you produce the +infrastructure that would permit a police state to function, all that +is required to suddenly find yourself living in one is a change of +attitude on the part of the government. + +Our constitution was built by men who had to risk their lives to +ensure freedom in our country. They designed the system to make it +difficult for tyranny to arise. For instance, one of the reasons the +fourth amendment was put there was to make it harder for the +government to try to make smuggling a crime. Think I jest? John +Hancock made all his money smuggling rum, which is, after all, a drug. + +Think about it. The government has everyones keys in escrow, and the +FBI gets their pet ""wiretap without leaving the office"" scheme. There +is a coup, which happens every day all around the world. Within hours, +everyone in the country who might oppose the tyrants is being +monitored more closely than ever before possible. + +Without the tools being in place, a tyranny cannot stand. With tools +like this in place, a tyrannical dictatorship could actually be +successfully imposed. + +Why give the government tools with which to enslave you? Maybe you can +trust Bill Clinton, but are you willing to tell me that you can trust +EVERY government that will ever arise in the U.S. hereafter? I am not +willing to make that leap of faith. + +>>-Tim May, whose sig block may get him busted in the New Regime +> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +> Isn't this just a little melodramatic? + +I'm a political dissident. As such, I am acutely aware of what happens +to political dissidents in most of the world. In most of the world, I +could be killed for my beliefs. Call Amnesty International some time +to find out what happens to dissidents in most of the world. + +All that seperates the U.S. from most of those places is a thin piece +of parchment in the National Archives thats being constantly more and +more eroded by such farces as the war on drugs. Coups have happened in +countries that have had stable democracies for over a hundred years. +Governments throughout history have fallen. No government has lasted +for more than a few hundred years. Often, they are replaced by +dictatorships. Do you really believe so intensely that it could never +ever ever happen here that you are willing to bet your own life and +the lives of your children and other loved ones on it? + +If we construct the tools with which tyranny could be enforced, we +make it orders of magnitude more likely that it could happen, because +if it happened with the tools already in place it could actually +stick. + +Naive fools such as our leadership believe they can protect us where +hundreds that have gone before have failed. Thriving democracies led +by men far more skillfull than Bill Clinton have fallen to +dictatorship. Rome had a thriving republic run by exquisitely skilled +men before they became a tyranny. + +I, for one, am unwilling to trust that it could never happen here. +Only hubris would allow us to believe we are immune to what has +happened elsewhere. + +-- +Perry Metzger pmetzger@shearson.com +-- +Laissez faire, laissez passer. Le monde va de lui meme. +";16;True +"From: alvin@spot.Colorado.EDU (Kenneth Alvin) +Subject: Re: Certainty and Arrogance +Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder +Lines: 66 + +In article kilroy@gboro.rowan.edu (Dr Nancy's Sweetie) writes: +>Dean Velasco quoted a letter from James M Stowell, president of +>Moody Bible Institute: +> +>> We affirm the absolutes of Scripture, not because we are arrogant +>> moralists, but because we believe in God who is truth, who has revealed +>> His truth in His Word, and therefore we hold as precious the strategic +>> importance of those absolutes."" +> +>There has been a lot of discussion, but so far nobody seems to have hit on +>exactly what the criticism of ""arrogance"" is aimed at. +> +> +> +>This is where the ""arrogance of Christians"" arises: many people believe +>that their own personal research can give them absolute certainty about the +>doctrines of Christianity -- they are implicitly claiming that they are +>infallible, and that there is no possibility of mistake. +> +>Claiming that you CANNOT have made a mistake, and that your thinking has led +>you to a flawless conclusion, is pretty arrogant. + +I agree with what Darren has to say here, but would like to add a +personal observation. What I see as arrogance and the problem I have +with it is not a sense of personal certainty, but a lack of respect for +others who come to differing conclusions. Clearly, this is not just +Christian vs. Non-Christian; there is a whole spectrum of belief systems +within Christianity. I do not tend to argue with others about matters +of personal faith because, like aesthetics, it is not demonstable by +objective means. + +Choosing what to believe and rely on are important areas of personal +sovereignty. What bothers me is when others suggest that, in these +matters of faith, their specific beliefs are not only true to them +but are absolute and should be binding on others. It follows from this +that God must give everyone the same revelation of truth, and thus +anyone who comes to a different conclusion is intentionally choosing +the wrong path. This is the arrogance I see; a lack of respect for the +honest conclusions of others on matters which are between them and God. +Even a personal certainty leaves room for the beliefs of others. It is +universalizing those matters of personal faith, coupled by a proud +notion that one's relationship with God is superior to other's, that +leads to arrogance. In my honest (and nonuniversal) opinion. :-) + + +>Darren F Provine / kilroy@gboro.rowan.edu +>""At the core of all well-founded belief, lies belief that is unfounded."" +> -- Ludwig Wittgenstein + +comments, criticism welcome... +-Ken +alvin@ucsu.colorado.edu + +[It is certainly reasonable to ask for some humility about our own +ability to know the truth. There are also different paths in some +areas of practice. But I'd like to see more clarification about what +you mean when you reject the idea of saying ""their specific beliefs +are not only true to them but are absolute and should be binding on +others."" If something is true, it is true for everyone, assuming that +the belief is something about God, history, etc. Of course something +of the form ""I believe that it's best for me not to xxx"" could be true +for some people and not others. I have suggested in the past that God +may be less concerned about doctrinal agreement than many people are. +But that doesn't mean I doubt that there is a difference between +true and false, nor that I think there is no benefit in finding out +what is true. --clh] +";17;True +"From: ptrei@bistromath.mitre.org (Peter Trei) +Subject: Re: The battle is joined +Nntp-Posting-Host: bistromath.mitre.org +Organization: The MITRE Corporation +Lines: 15 + +In article ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu (Eli Brandt) writes: +>In article <1993Apr16.181040.9381@qualcomm.com> karn@servo.qualcomm.com (Phil Karn) writes: +>>It looks like Dorothy Denning's wrong-headed ideas have gotten to the +>>Administration even sooner than we feared. +> +>I'd lay long odds that it was the other way around. Clinton didn't +>just pull this plan out of any bodily orifices; the NSA has to have +>been working on it for years. + ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ + + I first heard rumors of a similar government proposal (in Risks +Digest???) in 1987 or 1988. + + Peter Trei + ptrei@mitre.org +";16;True +"From: satam@saathi.ncst.ernet.in (Kirtikumar G. Satam) +Subject: PC Scanners +Organization: /usr/userc/rts/satam/.organization +Lines: 30 + + +Hello there, + +I am looking out for good scanners (gray-scale only, no color) which can +be connected to IBM PC compatibles. Also, automatic tray feeding is a must. +Can somebody point out good scanners? What are things that one should look +for while purchasing a scanner? I do not want hand-held scanners. + +My preliminary requirements are +1. 75 to 300/400 dpi +2. dithering / half-toning (various patterns) +3. drivers for DOS and windows +4. Standard file formats (what are they?). +5. Automatic feed. +6. Anything more? + + Is there any comparative survery in Byte or PC Mag? Which issue? + +Please e-mail. I'll summerize. + +- satam. +satam@saathi.ernet.in + +-- +------------------------------------------------------------------------- +Kirtikumar G. Satam ===>> satam@saathi.ncst.ernet.in +Scientist, Network Division. +National Center For Software Technology, Juhu, Bombay 400 049 +Tel : +91 22 620 1606 Fax : +91 22 621 0139 +------------------------------------------------------------------------- +";5;True +"From: wgw@netcom.com (William G. Wright) +Subject: SE rom +Keywords: roms, grayscale, select 300 +Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) +Lines: 32 + + + I just bought a select 300 and rushed home to print +some grayscale pictures for my kids, when I discovered that +grayscale(and photograde) are not available if you are +using an SE...even if you are running with an '030 cpu. +You won't see this in the printer's docs, and the Apple +rep didn't mention it to our users group either. It seems +that SE ROMs won't support those ""features"". Okay, I +guess I should have somehow known that this was the case. +Let the buyer beware, huh Apple? + Be that as it may, I have been thinking about the +problem and I'm puzzled. Why can't a defencieny in the +ROM be made up for in software. I write software for a living +(on unix platforms) and I don't understand the ""it just +can't be done"" responses I've gotten from those I have +asked so far. Isn't Mode32, or somesuch piece of soft- +ware, just such a fix. + Anyway, I was hoping someone knowledgeable +about Mac internals could set me straight: is it simply +impossible for a mac SE to print grayscale, or could +someone armed with enough info and a little pro- +gramming experience cook something up that would +supplement the ROM's capabilities? + Also, how does one know if one's mac can +support the grayscale and photograde that the Select 300 +is supposedly capable of? ( Short of buying the printer +and trying it out like I did) + Thanks for your help. + +Bill Wright +wgw@netcom.com + +";0;True +"From: ckincy@cs.umr.edu (Charles Kincy) +Subject: Bob ""Putz"" Cain (was: Pgp and other BS) +Nntp-Posting-Host: next7.cs.umr.edu +Organization: University of Missouri - Rolla, Rolla, MO +Lines: 21 + +In article <1993Apr16.195927.3952@natasha.portal.com> bob@natasha.portal.com (Bob Cain) writes: +>Charles Kincy (ckincy@cs.umr.edu) wrote: +>: In article <1993Apr16.001321.3692@natasha.portal.com> bob@natasha.portal.com (Bob Cain) writes: +[...] +>: Oh, I see, flame someone, tell them that they are immature, tell them +>: they are wrong, and then don't offer any proof for your assertions. +>: +>: You really *are* a putz. Put up or shut up. +>: +> +>I will provide any proof you wish in private. Name it, dickhead. + +Don't bother. has pretty much made +your pathetic ass superfluous. You lose. Pack up your bags and +go home. + +>Putz Cain + +Well, if the shoe fits.... + +cpk +";16;True +"From: gwittt@alleg.edu (Tom Gwitt) +Subject: Re: Mel Hall +Organization: Allegheny College +Lines: 11 + +In article <1993Apr17.212119.13901@coe.montana.edu> warped@cs.montana.edu +(Doug Dolven) writes: +> +> Has anyone heard anything about Mel Hall this season? I'd heard he +wasn't +> with the Yankees any more. What happened to him? +> + +He is in Japan playing baseball. +-- + Tom Gwitt gwittt@alleg.edu +";14;True +"From: dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) +Subject: Accounts of Anti-Armenian Human Right Violations in Azerbaijan #008 A +Summary: Part A +Organization: S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies +Lines: 501 + + Accounts of Anti-Armenian Human Right Violations in Azerbaijan #008 Part A + Prelude to Current Events in Nagorno-Karabakh + + (Part A of #008) + + +------------------------------------------------------------------+ + | | + | ""Oh, yes, I just remembered. While they were raping me they | + | repeated quite frequently, ""Let the Armenian women have babies | + | for us, Muslim babies, let them bear Azerbaijanis for the | + | struggle against the Armenians."" Then they said, ""Those | + | Muslims can carry on our holy cause. Heroes!"" They repeated | + | it very often."" | + | | + +------------------------------------------------------------------+ + +DEPOSITION OF LYUDMILA GRIGOREVNA M. + + Born 1959 + Teacher + Sumgait Secondary School No. 10 + Secretary of the Komsomol Organization at School No. 10 + Member of the Sumgait City Komsomol Committee Office + + Resident at Building 17/33B, Apartment 15 + Microdistrict No. 3 + Sumgait [Azerbaijan] + +[Note: The events in Kafan, used as a pretext to attack Armenians in + Azerbaijan are false, as verified by independent International Human Rights + organizations - DD] + +I'm thinking about the price the Sumgait Armenians paid to be living in +Armenia now. We paid for it in human casualties and crippled fates--the +price was too great! Now, after the Sumgait tragedy, we, the victims, divide +our lives into ""before"" and ''after."" We talk like that: that was before the +war. Like the people who went through World War II and considered it a whole +epoch, a fate. No matter how many years go by, no matter how long we live, +it will never be forgotten. On the contrary, some of the moments become even +sharper: in our rage, in our sorrow, we saw everything differently, but now +. . . They say that you can see more with distance, and we can see those +inhuman events with more clarity now . . . we more acutely perceive our +losses and everything that happened. + +Nineteen eighty-eight was a leap year. Everyone fears a leap year and wants it +to pass as quickly as possible. Yet we never thought that that leap year would +be such a black one for every Sumgait Armenian: those who lost someone and +those who didn't. + +That second to last day of winter was ordinary for our family, although you +could already smell danger in the air. But we didn't think that the danger was +near and possible, so we didn't take any steps to save ourselves. At least, as +my parents say, at least we should have done something to save the children. +My parents themselves are not that old, 52 and 53 years. But then they thought +that they had already lived enough, and did everything they could to save us. + +In our apartment the tragedy started on February 28, around five in the +afternoon. I call it a tragedy, and I repeat: it was a tragedy even though all +our family survived. When I recall how they broke down our door my skin +crawls; even now, among Armenians, among people who wish me only well, I feel +like it's all starting over again. I remember how that mob broke into our +apartment . . . My parents were standing in the hall. My father had an axe in +his hands and had immediately locked both of the doors. Our door was rarely +locked since friends and neighbors often dropped by. We're known as a +hospitable family, and we just never really thought about whether the people +who were coming to see us were Azerbaijanis, Jews, or Russians. We had friends +of many nationalities, even a Turkmen woman. + +My parents were in the hall, my father with an axe. I remember him telling my +mother, ""Run to the kitchen for a knife."" But Mother was detached, pale, as +though she had decided to sell her life a bit dearer. To be honest I never +expected it of her, she's afraid of getting shot and afraid of the dark. A +girlfriend was at the house that day, a Russian girl, Lyuda, and Mamma said, +""No matter what happens, no matter what they do to us, you're not to come out +of the bedroom. We're going to tell them that we're alone in the apartment."" + +We went into the bedroom. There were four of us. Marina and the Russian girl +crawled under the bed, and we covered them up with a rug, boxes of dishes, and +Karina and I are standing there and looking at one another. The idea that +perhaps we were seeing each other for the last time flashed somewhere inside +me. I'm an emotional person and I express my emotions immediately. I wanted to +embrace her and kiss her, as though it were the last second. And maybe Karina +was thinking the same thing, but she's quite reserved. We didn't have time to +say anything to each other because we immediately heard Mamma raise a shout. +There was so much noise from the tramping of feet, from the shouting, and from +excited voices. I couldn't figure what was going on out there because the door +to the bedroom was only open a crack. But when Mamma shouted the second time +Karina ran out of the bedroom. I ran after her, I had wanted to hold her back, +but when she opened the door and ran out into the hall they saw us +immediately. The only thing I managed to do was close the door behind me, at +least so as to save Marina and her friend. The mob was shouting, all of their +eyes were shining, all red, like from insomnia. At first about 40 people burst +in, but later I was standing with my back to the door and couldn't see. They +came into the hall, into the kitchen, and dragged my father into the other +room. He didn't utter a word, he just raised the axe to hit them, but Mamma +snatched the axe from behind and said, ""Tell them not to touch the children. +Tell them they can do as they want with us, but not to harm the children."" She +said this to Father in Armenian. + +There were Azerbaijanis from Armenia among the mob who broke in. They +understood Armenian perfectly. The local Azerbaijanis don't know Armenian, +they don't need to speak it. And one of them responded in Armenian: ""You and +your children both . . . we're going to do the same thing to you and your +children that you Armenians did in Kafan. They killed our women, our girls, +our mothers, they cut their breasts off, and burned our houses . . . ,"" and +so on and so forth, ""and we came to do the same thing to you."" This whole time +some of them are destroying the house and the others are shouting at us. They +were mostly young people, under 30. At first there weren't any older people +among them. And all of their faces were unfamiliar. Sumgait is a small town, +all the same, and we know a lot of people by their faces, especially me, I'm +a teacher. + +So they dragged my father into the other room. They twisted his arms and took +him in there, no they didn't take him in there, they dragged him in there, +because he was already unable to walk. They closed the door to that room all +but a crack. We couldn't see what was happening to Father, what they were +doing to him. Then a young man, about 26 years old, started to tear off +Mamma's sarafan, and Mamma shouted at him in Azerbaijani: ""I'm old enough to +be your mother! What are you doing?!"" He struck her. Now he's being held, +Mamma identified him. I hope he's convicted. Then they went after Karina, +who's been talking to them like a Komsomol leader, as though she were trying +to lead them down a different path, as they say, to influence their +consciousness. She told them that what they were doing was wrong, that they +mustn't do it. She said, ""Come on, let's straighten this out, without +emotions. What do you want? Who are you? Why did you come here? What did we +ever do to you?"" Someone tried to explain who they were and why they had come +into our home, but then the ones in the back--more of them kept coming and +coming--said, ""What are you talking to, them for. You should kill them. We +came here to kill them."" + +They pushed Karina, struck her, and she fell down. They beat her, but she +didn't cry out. Even when they tore her clothes off, she kept repeating, ""What +did we do to you? What did we do to you?"" And even later, when she came to, +she said, ""Mamma, what did we do to them? Why did they do that to us?"" + +That group was prepared, I know this because I noticed that some of them only +broke up furniture, and others only dealt with us. I remember that when they +were beating me, when they were tearing my clothes off, I felt neither pain +nor shame because my entire attention was riveted to Karina. All I could do +was watch how much they beat her and how painful it was for her, and what they +did to her. That's why I felt no pain. Later, when they carried Karina off, +they beat her savagely . . . It's really amazing that she not only lived, but +didn't lose her mind . She is very beautiful and they did everything they +could to destroy her beauty. Mostly they beat her face, with their fists, +kicking her, using anything they could find. + +Mamma, Karina, and I were all in one room. And again I didn't feel any pain, +just didn't feel any, no matter how much they beat me, no matter what they +did. Then one of those creeps said that there wasn't enough room in the +apartment. They broke up the beds and the desk and moved everything into the +corners so there would be more room. Then someone suggested, ""Let's take her +outside."" + +Those beasts were in Heaven. They did what they would do every day if they +weren't afraid of the authorities. Those were their true colors. At the time +I thought that in fact they would always behave that way if they weren't +afraid of what would happen to them. + +When they carried Karina out and beat Mamma-her face was completely covered +with blood--that's when I started to feel the pain. I blacked out several +times from the pain, but each moment that I had my eyes open it was as though +I were recording it all on film. I think I'm a kind person by nature, but I'm +vengeful, especially if someone is mean to me, and I don't deserve it. I hold +a grudge a long time if someone intentionally causes me pain. And every time +I would come to and see one of those animals on top of me, I'd remember them, +and I'll remember them for the rest of my life, even though people tell me +""forget,"" you have to forget, you have to go on living. + +At some point I remember that they stood me up and told me something, and +despite the fact that I hurt all over--I had been beaten terribly--I found +the strength in myself to interfere with their tortures. I realized that I had +to do something: resist them or just let them kill me to bring my suffering +to an end. I pushed one of them away, he was a real horse. I remember now that +he's being held, too. As though they were all waiting for it, they seized me +and took me out onto the balcony. I had long hair, and it was stuck all over +me. One of the veranda shutters to the balcony was open, and I realized that +they planned to throw me out the window, because they had already picked me up +with their hands, I was up in the air. As though for the last time I took a +really deep breath and closed my eyes, and somehow braced myself inside, I +suddenly became cold, as though my heart had sunk into my feet. And suddenly +I felt myself flying. I couldn't figure out if I was really flying or if I +just imagined it. When I came to I thought now I'm going to smash on the +ground. And when it didn't happen I opened my eyes and realized that I was +still lying on the floor. And since I didn't scream, didn't beg them at all, +they became all the more wild, like wolves. They started to trample me with +their feet. Shoes with heels on them, and iron horseshoes, like they had spe- +cially put them on. Then I lost consciousness. + +I came to a couple of times and waited for death, summoned it, beseeched it. +Some people ask for good health, life, happiness, but at that moment I didn't +need any of those things. I was sure that none of us would survive, and I had +even forgotten about Marina; and if none of us was alive, it wasn't worth +living. + +There was a moment when the pain was especially great. I withstood inhuman +pain, and realized that they were going to torment me for a long time to come +because I had showed myself to be so tenacious. I started to strangle myself, +and when I started to wheeze they realized that with my death I was going to +put an end to their pleasures, and they pulled my hands from my throat. The +person who injured and insulted me most painfully I remember him very well, +because he was the oldest in the group. He looked around 48. I know that he +has four children and that he considers himself an ideal father and person, +one who would never do such a thing. Something came over him then, you see, +even during the investigation he almost called me ""daughter,"" he apologized, +although, of course, he knew that I'd never forgive him. Something like that +I can never forgive. I have never injured anyone with my behavior, with my +words, or with my deeds, I have always put myself in the other person's shoes, +but then, in a matter of hours, they trampled me entirely. I shall never +forget it. + +I wanted to do myself in then, because I had nothing to lose, because no one +could protect me. My father, who tried to do something against that hoard of +beasts by himself, could do nothing and wouldn't be able to do anything. +I knew that I was even sure that he was no longer alive. + +And Ira Melkumian, my acquaintance I knew her and had been to see her family a +couple of times--her brother tried to save her and couldn't, so he tried to +kill her, his very own sister. He threw an axe at her to kill her and put an +end to her suffering. When they stripped her clothes off and carried her into +the other room, her brother knew what awaited her. I don't know which one it +was, Edik or Igor. Both of them were in the room from which the axe was +thrown. But the axe hit one of the people carrying her and so they killed her +and made her death even more excruciating, maybe the most excruciating of all +the deaths of those days in Sumgait. I heard about it all from the neighbor +from the Melkumians' landing. His name is Makhaddin, he knows my family a +little. He came to see how we had gotten settled in the new apartment in Baku, +how we were feeling, and if we needed anything. He's a good person. He said, +""You should praise God that you all survived. But what I saw with my own eyes, +I, a man, who has seen so many people die, who has lived a whole life, I,"" he +says, ""nearly lost my mind that day. I had never seen the likes of it and +think I never shall again."" The door to his apartment was open and he saw +everything. One of the brothers threw the axe, because they had already taken +the father and mother out of the apartment. Igor, Edik, and Ira remained. He +saw Ira, naked, being carried into the other room in the hands of six or seven +people. He told us about it and said he would never forget it. He heard the +brothers shouting something, inarticulate from pain, rage, and the fact that +they were powerless to do anything. But all the same they tried to +do something. The guy who got hit with the axe lived. I I + +After I had been unsuccessful at killing myself I saw them taking Marina and +Lyuda out of the bedroom. I was in such a state that I couldn't even +remember my sister's name. I wanted to cry ""Marina!"" out to her, but could +not. I looked at her and knew that it was a familiar, dear face, but couldn't +for the life of me remember what her name was and who she was. And thus +I saved her, because when they were taking her out, she, as it turns out, had +told them that she had just been visiting and that she and Lyuda were both +there by chance, that they weren't Armenians. Lyuda's a Russian, you can tell +right away, and Marina speaks Azerbaijani wonderfully and she told them that +she was an Azerbaijani. And I almost gave her away and doomed her. I'm glad +that at least Marina came out of this all in good physical health . . . +although her spirit was murdered . . . + +At some point I came to and saw Igor, Igor Agayev, my acquaintance, in that +mob. He lives in the neighboring building. For some reason I remembered his +name, maybe I sensed my defense in him. I called out to him in Russian, ""Igor, +help!"" But he turned away and went into the bedroom. Just then they were +taking Marina and Lyuda out of the bedroom. Igor said he knew Marina and +Lyuda, that Marina in fact was Azerbaijani, and he took both of them to the +neighbors. + +And the idea stole through me that maybe Igor had led them to our apartment, +something like that, but if he was my friend, he was supposed to save me. + +Then they were striking me very hard--we have an Indian vase, a metal one, +they were hitting me on the back with it and I blacked out--they took me out +onto the balcony a second time to throw me out the window. They were already +sure that I was dead because I didn't react at all to the new blows. Someone +said, ""She's already dead, let's throw her out."" When they carried me out onto +the balcony for the second time, when I was about to die the second time, I +heard someone say in Azerbaijani: ""Don't kill her, I know her, she's a +teacher."" I can still hear that voice ringing in my ears, but I can't remember +whose voice it was. It wasn't Igor, because he speaks Azerbaijani with an +accent: his mother is Russian and they speak Russian at home. He speaks +Azerbaijani worse than our Marina does. I remember when they carried me in and +threw me on the bed he came up to me, that person, and I having opened my +eyes, saw and recognized that person, but immediately passed out cold. I had +been beaten so much that I didn't have the strength to remember him. I only +remember that this person was older and he had a high position. Unfortunately +I can't remember anything more. + +What should I say about Igor? He didn't treat me badly. I had heard a lot +about him, that he wasn't that good a person, that he sometimes drank too +much. Once he boasted to me that he had served in Afghanistan. He knew that +women usually like bravery in a man. Especially if a man was in Afghanistan, +if he was wounded, then it's about eighty percent sure that he will be treated +very sympathetically, with respect. Later I found out that he had served in +Ufa, and was injured, but that's not in Afghanistan, of course. I found that +all out later. + +Among the people who were in our apartment, my Karina also saw the Secretary +of the Party organization. I don't know his last name, his first name is +Najaf, he is an Armenian-born Azerbaijani. But later Karina wasn't so sure, +she was no longer a hundred percent sure that it was he she saw, and she +didn't want to endanger him. She said, ""He was there,"" and a little while +later, ""Maybe they beat me so much that I am confusing him with someone else. +No, it seems like it was he."" I am sure it was he because when he came to see +us the first time he said one thing, and the next time he said something +entirely different. The investigators haven't summoned him yet. He came to see +us in the Khimik boarding house where we were living at the time. He brought +groceries and flowers, this was right before March 8th; he almost started +crying, he was so upset to see our condition. I don't know if he was putting +us on or not, but later, after we had told the investigator and they summoned +him to the Procuracy, he said that he had been in Baku, he wasn't in Sumgait. +The fact that he changed his testimony leads me to believe that Karina is +right, that in fact it was he who was in our apartment. I don't know how the +investigators are now treating him. At one point I wondered and asked, and was +told that he had an alibi and was not in our apartment. Couldn't he have gone +to Baku and arranged an alibi? I'm not ruling out that possibility. + +Ill now return to our apartment. Mamma had come to. You could say that she +bought them off with the gold Father gave her when they were married: her +wedding band and her watch were gold. She bought her own and her husband's +lives with them. She gave the gold to a 14-year old boy. Vadim Vorobyev. A +Russian boy, he speaks Azerbaijani perfectly. He's an orphan who was raised by +his grandfather and who lives in Sumgait on Nizami Street. He goes to a +special school, one for mentally handicapped children. But I'll say this--I'm +a teacher all the same and in a matter of minutes I can form an opinion--that +boy is not at all mentally handicapped. He's healthy, he can think just fine, +and analyze, too . . . policemen should be so lucky. And he's cunning, too. +After that he went home and tore all of the pictures out of his photo album. + +He beat Mamma and demanded gold, saying, ""Lady, if you give us all the gold +and money in your apartment we'll let you live."" And Mamma told them where +the gold was. He brought in the bag and opened it, shook out the contents, and +everyone who was in the apartment jumped on it, started knocking each other +over and taking the gold from one another. I'm surprised they didn't kill one +another right then. + +Mamma was still in control of herself. She had been beaten up, her face was +black and blue from the blows, and her eyes were filled with blood, and she +ran into the other room. Father was lying there, tied up, with a gag in his +mouth and a pillow over his face. There was a broken table on top of the pil- +low. Mamma grabbed Father and he couldn't walk; like me, he was half dead, +halfway into the other world. He couldn't comprehend anything, couldn't see, +and was covered with black and blue. Mamma pulled the gag out of his mouth, +it was some sort of cloth, I think it was a slipcover from an armchair. + +The bandits were still in our apartment, even in the room Mamma pulled Father +out of, led him out of, carried him out of. We had two armchairs in that room, +a small magazine table, a couch, a television, and a screen. Three people +were standing next to that screen, and into their shirts, their pants, +everywhere imaginable, they were shoving shot glasses and cups from the coffee +service--Mamma saw them out of the corner of her eye. She said, ""I was afraid +to turn around, I just seized Father and started pulling him, but at the +threshold I couldn't hold him up, he fell down, and I picked him up again and +dragged him down the stairs to the neighbors'."" Mamma remembered one of the +criminals, the one who had watched her with his face half-turned toward her, +out of one eye. She says, ""I realized that my death would come from that +person. I looked him in the eyes and he recoiled from fear and went stealing."" +Later they caught that scoundrel. Meanwhile, Mamma grabbed Father and left. + +I was alone. Igor had taken Marina away, Mamma and Father were gone, Karina +was already outside, I didn't know what they were doing to her. I was left all +alone, and at that moment . . . I became someone else, do you understand? Even +though I knew that neither Mother and Father in the other room, nor Marina and +Lyuda under the bed could save me, all the same I somehow managed to hold out. +I went on fighting them, I bit someone, I remember, and I scratched another. +But when I was left alone I realized what kind of people they were, the ones +I had observed, the ones who beat Karina, what kind of people they were, the +ones who beat me, that it was all unnecessary, that I was about to die and +that all of that would die with me. + +At some point I took heart when I saw the young man from the next building. I +didn't know his name, but we would greet one another when we met, we knew that +we were from the same microdistrict. When I saw him I said, ""Neighbor, is that +you?"" In so doing I placed myself in great danger. He realized that if I lived +I would remember him. That's when he grabbed the axe. The axe that had been +taken from my father. I automatically fell to my knees and raised my hands to +take the blow of the axe, although at the time it would have been better if he +had struck me in the head with the axe and put me out of my misery. When he +started getting ready to wind back for the blow, someone came into the room. +The newcomer had such an impact on everyone that my neighbor's axe froze in +the air. Everyone stood at attention for this guy, like soldiers in the +presence of a general. Everyone waited for his word: continue the atrocities +or not. He said, ""Enough, let's go to the third entryway."" In the third +entryway they killed Uncle Shurik, Aleksandr Gambarian. This confirms once +again that they had prepared in advance. Almost all of them left with him, as +they went picking up pillows, blankets, whatever they needed, whatever they +found, all the way up to worn out slippers and one boot, someone else had +already taken the other. + +Four people remained in the room, soldiers who didn't obey their general. They +had to have come recently, because other faces had flashed in front of me over +those 2 to 3 hours, but I had never seen those three. One of them, Kuliyev (I +identified him later), a native of the Sisian District of Armenia, an +Azerbaijani, had moved to Azerbaijan a year before. He told me in Armenian: +""Sister, don't be afraid, I'll drive those three Azerbaijanis out of here."" +That's just what he said, ""those Azerbaijanis,"" as though he himself were not +Azerbaijani, but some other nationality, he said with such hatred, ""I'll drive +them out of here now, and you put your clothes on, and find a hammer and nails +and nail the door shut, because they'll be coming back from Apartment 41."" +That's when I found out that they had gone to Apartment 41. Before that, the +person in the Eskimo dogskin coat, the one who came in and whom they listened +to, the ""general,"" said that they were going to the third entryway. + +Kuliyev helped me get some clothes on, because l couldn't do it by myself. +Marina's old fur coat was lying on the floor. He threw it over my shoulders, I +was racked with shivers, and he asked where he could find nails and a hammer. +He wanted to give them to me so that when he left I could nail the door shut. +But the door was lying on the floor in the hall. + +I went out onto the balcony. There were broken windows, and flowers and dirt +from flowerpots were scattered on the floor. It was impossible to find +anything. He told me, ""Well, fine, I won't leave you here. Would any of the +neighbors let you in? They'll be back, they won't calm down, they know you're +alive."" He told me all this in Armenian. + +Then he returned to the others and said, ""What are you waiting for? Leave!"" +They said, ""Ah, you just want to chase us out of here and do it with her +yourself. No, we want to do it to."" He urged them on, but gently, not +coarsely, because he was alone against them, although they were still just +boys, not old enough to be drafted. He led them out of the room, and went +down to the third floor with them himself, and said, ""Leave. What's the mat- +ter, aren't you men? Go fight with the men. What do you want of her?"" And +he came back upstairs. They wanted to come up after him and he realized that +he couldn't hold them off forever. Then he asked me where he could hide me. I +told him at the neighbors' on the fourth floor, Apartment 10, we were on really +good terms with them. + +We knocked on the door, and he explained in Azerbaijani. The neighbor woman +opened the door and immediately said, ""I'm an Azerbaijani."" He said, ""I know. +Let her sit at your place a while. Don't open the door to anyone, no one knows +about this, I won't tell anyone. Let her stay at your place."" She says, ""Fine, +have her come in."" I went in. She cried a bit and gave me some stockings, I +had gone entirely numb and was racked with nervous shudders. I burst into +tears. Even though I was wearing Marina's old fur coat, it's a short one, a +half-length, I was cold all the same. I asked, ""Do you know where my family +is, what happened to them?"" She says, ""No, I don't know anything. I'm afraid +to go out of the apartment, now they're so wild that they don't look to see +who's Azerbaijani and who's Armenian."" Kuliyev left. Ten minutes later my +neighbor says, ""You know, Lyuda, I don't want to lose my life because of you, +or my son and his wife. Go stay with someone else."" During the butchery in our +apartment one of the scum, a sadist, took my earring in his mouth--I had pearl +earrings on--and ripped it out, tearing the earlobe. The other earring was +still there. When I'm nervous I fix my hair constantly, and then, when I +touched my ear, I noticed that I had one earring on. I took it out and gave it +to her. She took the earring, but she led me out of the apartment. + +I went out and didn't know where to go. I heard someone going upstairs. I +don't know who it was but assumed it was them. With tremendous difficulty I +end up to our apartment, I wanted to die in my own home. I go into the +apartment and hear that they are coming up to our place, to the fifth floor. +I had to do something. I went into the bedroom where Marina and Lyuda had +hidden and saw that the bed was overturned. Instead of hiding I squatted near +some broken Christmas ornaments, found an unbroken one, and started sobbing. +Then they came in. Someone said that there were still some things to take. I +think that someone pushed me under the bed. I lay on the floor, and there were +broken ornaments on it, under my head and legs. I got all cut up, but I lay +there without moving. My heart was beating so hard it seemed the whole town +could hear it. There were no lights on. Maybe that's what saved me. They were +burning matches, and toward the end they brought in a candle. They started +picking out the clothes that could still be worn. They took Father's sport +jacket and a bedspread, the end of which was under my head. They pulled on the +one end, and it felt like they were pulling my hair out. I almost cried out. +And again I realized I wasn't getting out of there alive, and I started to +strangle myself again. I took my throat in one hand, and pressed the other on +my mouth, so as not to wheeze, so that I would die and they would only find me +afterward. They were throwing the burned matches under the bed, and I got +burned, but I withstood it. Something inside of me held on, someone's hand was +protecting me to the end. I knew that I was going to die, but I didn't know +how. I knew that if I survived I would walk out of that apartment, but if +I found out that one of my family had died, I would die for sure, because I +had never been so close to death and couldn't imagine how you could go on +living without your mother or father, or without your sister. Marina, I +thought, was still alive: she went to Lyuda's place or someone is hiding her. +I tried to think that Igor wouldn't let them be killed. He served in +Afghanistan, he should protect her. + +While I was strangling myself I said my good-byes to everyone. And then I +thought, how could Marina survive alone. If they killed all of us, how would +she live all by herself? There were six people in the room. They talked among +themselves and smoked. One talked about his daughter, saying that there was no +children's footwear in our apartment that he could take for his daughter. +Another said that he liked the apartment--recently we had done a really good +job fixing everything up--and that he would live there after everything was +all over. They started to argue. A third one says, ""How come you get it? I +have four children, and there are three rooms here, that's just what I need. +All these years I've been living in God-awful places."" Another one says, +""Neither of you gets it. We'll set fire to it and leave."" Then someone said +that Azerbaijanis live right next door, the fire could move over to their +place. And they, to my good fortune, didn't set fire to the apartment, and +left. + +Oh, yes, I just remembered. While they were raping me they repeated quite +frequently, ""Let the Armenian women have babies for us, Muslim babies, let +them bear Azerbaijanis for the struggle against the Armenians."" Then they +said, ""Those Muslims can carry on our holy cause. Heroes!"" They repeated it +very often. + + - - - reference for #008 - - - + +[1] _The Sumgait Tragedy; Pogroms against Armenians in Soviet Azerbaijan, + Volume I, Eyewitness Accounts_, edited by Samuel Shahmuradian, forward by + Yelena Bonner, 1990, published by Aristide D. Caratzas, NY, pages 118-145 + + +-- +David Davidian dbd@urartu.sdpa.org | ""How do we explain Turkish troops on +S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies | the Armenian border, when we can't +P.O. Box 382761 | even explain 1915?"" +Cambridge, MA 02238 | Turkish MP, March 1992 +";15;True +"From: franceschi@pasadena-dc.bofa.com +Subject: Re: Gov't break-ins (Re: 60 minutes) +Organization: Bank America Systems Engineering, Pasadena, CA +Lines: 20 + +On a Los Angeles radio station last weekend, the lawyers for the +family of the MURDERED rancher said that the Los Angeles Sheriff's +Department had an assessment done of the rancher's property before +the raid. + +This strongly implies that the sheriff's department wanted the property; +any drugs (which were not found) were only an excuse. + +In Viet Nam, Lt Calley was tried and convicted of murder because his +troops, in a war setting, deliberately killed innocent people. It is time +that the domestic law enforcement agencies in this country adhere to +standards at least as moral as the military's. + +Greed killed the rancher, possibly greed killed the Davidian children. +Government greed. + +It is time to prosecute the leaders who perform these invasions. + + +Fred Franceschi (These are my own opinions!) +";3;True +"From: fist@iscp.bellcore.com (Richard Pierson) +Subject: Re: GGRRRrrr!! Cages double-parking motorcycles pisses me off! +Nntp-Posting-Host: foxtrot.iscp.bellcore.com +Organization: Bellcore +Distribution: usa +Lines: 29 + +In article <1993Apr15.135232.24454@dsd.es.com>, bgardner@pebbles.es.com +(Blaine Gardner) writes: +|> In article <34211@castle.ed.ac.uk> wbg@festival.ed.ac.uk (W Geake) +|> writes: +|> > +|> >The Banana one isn't, IMHO. Ultra sticky labels printed with your +|> >favourite curse are good - even our local hospitals use them instead +|> of +|> >wheel clamps, putting one (about A5 size) on each window of the +|> cage. +|> +|> So what's your local hospital's favorite curse? +|> + + ""May your skin stick to a frozen bed pan"" + ""May your apple juice be mistakenly drawn from the urinalisys +lab"" + +-- +########################################################## +There are only two types of ships in the NAVY; SUBMARINES + and TARGETS !!! +#1/XS1100LH DoD #956 #2 Next raise +Richard Pierson E06584 vnet: [908] 699-6063 +Internet: fist@iscp.bellcore.com,|| UUNET:uunet!bcr!fist +#include My opinions are my own!!! +I Don't shop in malls, I BUY my jeans, jackets and ammo +in the same store. + +";7;True +"From: clavazzi@nyx.cs.du.edu (The_Doge) +Subject: Re: Davidians and compassion +X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University + of Denver for the Denver community. The University has neither + control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users. +Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept. +Lines: 24 + +In article arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) writes: +>In article sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes: +>>So we have this highly Christian religious order that put fire +>>on their house, killing most of the people inside. +> +>We have no way to know that the cultists burned the house; it could have been +>the BATF and FBI. We only have the government's word for it, after all, and +>people who started it by a no-knock search with concussion grenades are hardly +>disinterested observers. +>-- + Nor, to point out the obvious, are the deluded, siege-mentality +followers of a religious nut-case who thought he was Jesus Christ or possibly +The Big Guy. + Personally, much as I regard the BATF and FBI as ConDupes, I'll take +their word over a bunch of silly pinks who were stoopid enough to lock +themselves up with a goofball like ""David Koresh"" in a makeshift arsenal. + ************************************************************ + * The_Doge of South St. Louis * + * Dobbs-Approved Media Conspirator(tm) * + * ""One Step Beyond"" -- Sundays, 3 to 5 pm * + * 88.1 FM St. Louis Community Radio * + * ""You'll pay to know what you *really* think!"" * + * -- J.R. ""Bob"" Dobbs"" * + ************************************************************ +";19;True +"From: Center for Policy Research +Subject: Poem by Erich Fried +Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1483500363:000:1387 +Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!cpr Apr 25 05:29:00 1993 +Lines: 46 + + +From: Center for Policy Research +Subject: Poem by Erich Fried + + +Poem by German-Jewish poet Erich Fried (Holocaust survivor) + +Ein Jude an die zionistischen Kaempfer - 1988 + + von Erich Fried + +Was wollt ihr eigentlich ? Wollt ihr wirklich die uebertreffen +die euch niedergetreten haben vor einem Menschenalter in euer +eigenes Blut und in euren eigenen Kot ? + + * + +Wollt ihr die alten Foltern jetzt an andere weitergeben mit allen +blutigen dreckigen Einzelheiten mit allem brutalen Genuss die +Folterknechte wie unsere Vaeter sie damals erlitten haben ? + + * + +Wollt jetzt wirklich ihr die neue Gestapo sein die neue Wehrmacht +die neue SA and SS und aus den Palaestinensern die neuen Juden +machen ? + + * + +Aber dann will auch ich weil ich damals vor fuenfzig Jahren selbst +als ein Judenkind gepeinigt wurde von euren Peinigern ein neuer +Jude sein mit diesen neuen Juden zu denen ihr die Palaestinenser +macht + + * + +Und ich will sie zurueckfuehren helfen als freie Menschen in ihr +eigenes Land Palaestina aus dem ihr sie vertrieben habt oder in +dem ihr sie quaelt ihr Hakenkreuzlehrlinge ihr Narren und +Wechselbaelge der Weltgeschichte denen der Davidstern auf euren +Fahnen sich immer schneller verwandelt in das verfluchte Zeichen +mit den vier Fuessen das ihr nun nicht sehen wollt aber dessen Weg +ihr heut geht ! + +------------------------------------------------------ + +";15;True +"From: borst@cs.utwente.nl (Pim Borst) +Subject: PBM-PLUS sources, where? +Nntp-Posting-Host: utis116.cs.utwente.nl +Organization: University of Twente, Dept. of Computer Science +Lines: 7 + +Hi everybody, + +Can anyone name an anonymous ftp-site where I can find the sources +of the PBM-PLUS package (portable bit/gray/pixel map). +I would like to compile and run it on a Sun Sparcstation. + +Thanks! +";1;True +"From: berger@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (David Berger) +Subject: 101 Keyboard wanted. +Organization: Brandeis University +Lines: 7 + +I'm looking to buy a 100% working keyboard for a 286 system (preferably +a 101 layout.) I'm looking to spend about $20. + + +-- + + David +";8;True +"From: leapman@austin.ibm.com (Scott Leapman) +Subject: Re: Half-page hand scanners? +Originator: leapman@junior.austin.ibm.com +Reply-To: $LOGIN@austin.ibm.com +Organization: IBM Austin +Lines: 8 + + +I have a Lightening Scan Pro 256 hand scanner. It came with scanning/editing +software, OCR software, and some plug-in modules for Photoshop et al. The +scanner was a tad on the pricey side ($480), but the scans are incredibly +accurate, in 256 level, 300 dpi grayscale. It also has dithered and line art +settings when grayscale isn't desired. Great scanning software, easy to use. I +frequently write letters to my neices, and spontaneouly include a scanned image +in the note. Hope this helps! +";0;True +"From: sheinfel@ssd.comm.mot.com (Aviad Sheinfeld) +Subject: Re: Lo Jack +Organization: Motorola LMPS +Keywords: n +Nntp-Posting-Host: 145.1.172.11 +Lines: 9 + +According to a LoJack representative I saw recently, LoJack must be installed by +an authorized LoJack dealer, and is placed in one of (roughly) 30 spots in the +car... + +>Thanks, +>Steve M. att.com!mantic!srmal + +Sure, +Aviad +";10;True +"From: kennejs@a.cs.okstate.edu (KENNEDY JAMES SCOT) +Subject: Re: A universal RIGHT to bear arms? NOT! +Organization: Oklahoma State University, Computer Science, Stillwater +Lines: 73 + +nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) writes: +>In article <1993Apr2.080842.3554@a.cs.okstate.edu> kennejs@a.cs.okstate.edu +(KENNEDY JAMES SCOT) writes: +> gary@ke4zv.uucp (Gary Coffman) writes: +>> >In article <1993Apr1.173759.4636@cs.yale.edu> +nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu writes: +>> >>In article miles@ms.uky.edu (Stephen D. Grant) +writes: +>> >>> nathan@laplace.biology.yale.edu (Nathan F. Janette) writes: +>> >> > +>> >>> >I suppose that's true if you maintain that AK-47s and AR-15s are hunting +>> >>> >weapons. I think they are fun to ""plink"" cans/targets/random VC with, +>> >>> >but not suitable for ""real"" hunting. +>> >>> +>> >>> Wrong. Both are legal to hunt with here in Kentucky. I have a picture of +>> >>> a friend with a nice 8-point buck which he shot with his AR-15 rifle. +>> >> +>> >>I don't think many deer hunters would condone your friends choice of +>> >>rifle. +> +>> >I must agree with Nathan. As a deer hunter, I find it inhumane to use +>> >underpowered weapons for deer hunting. To kill cleanly with the little +>> >.223 requires extremely good marksmanship. Most hunting situations don't +>> >allow for ""perfect"" shots. Hunters should use sufficiently powerful +>> >weapons to drop the deer with a single hit to the chest. The 7.62x39 +>> >from the AKS-47 or SKS is adequate to this task, having similar ballistics +>> >to the familiar 30-30, but the little .223 is very marginal. In the +>> >hands of the expert, or the lucky, it will do, but hunters really +>> >should have more respect for their quarry. +> +>> >Gary +> +>> I'll agree that the popular 55 gr. loading for .223 rem. is too small for +>> deer-sized game. However, if you use a 70 gr. semi-spritzer or the Sierra +>> 63 gr. semi-pointed bullet this would be suitable (like any round, +>> you keep your shots within a reasonable range). It would still be on the +>> lower end of what I'd consider acceptable performance, especially those +>> long distance shots out West hunting Monster Mule Deer. The .223 rem. has +>> been declared legal for deer hunting in Oklahoma. +> +>> The .223 is excellent for varmit hunting and pest control. The AR-15 in +>> particular is well suited, given its heavy barrel and heat shielded foregrip. +>> Add a high-power scope, and you're in ""Dog heaven"". +> +>> However, I don't think Nathan Janette was refering to the specific chambering +>> of the rifle in question. Maybe he thinks self loading rifles have no +>> place in deer hunting. That may (or may not) be his opinion, but many +>> sportsmen do use self loading rifles and shotguns. + +>Wrongo, NRA man. I was definitely referring to the round, not the +>auto-loading aspect of the rifle. I have no problem with *responsible* +>hunting. That doesn't include machine guns from choppers, but a semi is +>fine. My uncle has bagged several deer with 12 gauge slugs. I would prefer +>that a hunter use as much of the catch as possible, and I don't condone +>hunting for ""sport"" only. + +>IMHO, of course. + +Two questions: + +1) You asserted that both the AR-15 and AK-47 are not suitable for + ""real hunting"". If you have no problem with hunting, or using + self loading rifles for hunting, why did you say this? If not + for deer, then what about other, smaller game? + +2) When did I get the nickname ""NRA man""? Notice I have never referred + to you as ""Janette"" which you don't seem to like. Do I get any + super-powers, like Spider Man or Powdered Toast Man? + +Scott Kennedy Brewer, Patriot, and now NRA-Man, defender of Truth, + Justice, and the 2nd Amendment. + +kennejs@a.cs.okstate.edu +";3;True +"From: sdittman@liberty.uc.wlu.edu (Scott Dittman) +Subject: Re: Some questions from a new Christian +Organization: Washington & Lee University +Lines: 21 + +Steven R Hoskins (18669@bach.udel.edu) wrote: +: Hi, + +: I am new to this newsgroup, and also fairly new to christianity. +: ... I realize I am very ignorant about much of the Bible and +: quite possibly about what Christians should hold as true. This I am trying +: to rectify (by reading the Bible of course), but it would be helpful +: to also read a good interpretation/commentary on the Bible or other +: relevant aspects of the Christian faith. One of my questions I would +: like to ask is - Can anyone recommend a good reading list of theological +: works intended for a lay person? + +I'd recommend McDowell's ""Evidence that Demands a Verdict"" books (3 I +think) and Manfred Brauch's ""Hard Sayings of Paul"". He also may have +done ""Hard Sayings of Jesus"". My focus would be for a new Christian to +struggle with his faith and be encouraged by the historical evidence, +especially one who comes from a background which emphasizes knowable faith. +-- +Scott Dittman email: sdittman@wlu.edu +University Registrar talk: (703)463-8455 fax: (703)463-8024 +Washington and Lee University snail mail: Lexington Virginia 24450 +";17;True +"From: darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Fred Rice) +Subject: Re: Ancient islamic rituals +Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia. +Lines: 29 + +In ednclark@kraken.itc.gu.edu.au (Jeffrey Clark) writes: + +>cfaehl@vesta.unm.edu (Chris Faehl) writes: + +>>Why is it more reasonable than the trend towards obesity and the trend towards +>>depression? You can't just pick your two favorite trends, notice a correlation +>>in them, and make a sweeping statement of generality. I mean, you CAN, and +>>people HAVE, but that does not mean that it is a valid or reasonable thesis. +>>At best it's a gross oversimplification of the push-pull factors people +>>experience. + +[...] +>Basically the social interactions of all the changing factors in our society +>are far too complicated for us to control. We just have to hold on to the +>panic handles and hope that we are heading for a soft landing. But one +>things for sure, depression and the destruction of the nuclear family is not +>due solely to sex out of marriage. + +Note that I _never_ said that depression and the destruction of the +nuclear family is due _solely_ to extra-marital sex. I specifically +said that it was ""a prime cause"" of this, not ""the prime cause"" or ""the +only cause"" of this -- I recognize that there are probably other factors +too, but I think that extra-marital sex and subsequent destabilization +of the family is probably a significant factor to the rise in +psychological problems, including depression, in the West in the 20th +century. + + Fred Rice + darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au +";9;True +"From: davesimp@soda.berkeley.edu (David Simpson) +Subject: Trying to find papers by Rosenthal +Article-I.D.: agate.1r7k7o$feh +Organization: UC Berkeley, CS Undergraduate Association +Lines: 29 +NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu + +I have the March/April version of the X Journal open in front of me. + +I'll be working on programming x-clients this summer, and since I don't have +much experience with programming X, I thought this issue might be helpful +as it has a section on debugging, and a section on the 40 most common errors +in programming X. + +At the end of the errors section, there are the following references for +tutorials on X programming style. They are: + +Rosenthal, David - A simple X11 client program + Proceedings of the Winter 1988 Usenix Conference, 1988. + +Lemke, D., and Rosenthal, D. - Visualizing X11 clients + Proceedings of the Winter 1989 Usenix Conference, 1989. + + +Does anyone know where I could find these in printed or (preferably) +electronic form? + +Or can you suggest any net resources devoted to the introduction to +programming X (I'll be looking at the bookstore for books, so I am really +only asking about what I can find on the net.) + +Thanks, + +David Simpson + +davesimp@soda.berkeley.edu +";12;True +"Subject: SIGMA Designs Video/Sound card +From: srini@shannon.tisl.ukans.edu (Srini Seetharam) +Reply-To: srini@shannon.tisl.ukans.edu (Srini Seetharam) +Distribution: world +Organization: Elec. & Comp. Eng., Univ. of Kansas +Nntp-Posting-Host: morse.tisl.ukans.edu +Originator: srini@morse +Lines: 10 + + +Does anyone out there use a SIGMA designs VIDEO/SOUND card ? +The model is called WIN-STORM-PC . +They also have one model the Legend-24lx + +Any info on these like performance and compatibility, +or even problems encountered will be appreciated. + +thanks +srini.w.seetharam +";6;True +"From: cobarruvias@asd2.jsc.nasa.gov (John Cobarruvias) +Subject: Re: Newsweek reports Clinton approval ratings... +Organization: NASA/JSC +Distribution: usa +Lines: 28 + +In article <8597@blue.cis.pitt.edu> psg+@pitt.edu (Paul S Galvanek) +writes: +>When I heard the latest approval rating reported for Clinton, I +>laughed so hard I forgot the exact numbers. Maybe one of the +>Clintonettes can refresh my memory... +> +>Has his rating dropped to 48 or 49 percent? Ha HA HA HA HA! +> +>*snick* oh my either way, it's still the lowest rating any President +>has ever mustered in his first 100 days, since these polls started being +taken. + +Hum, I guess this has some significance as opposed to having an incredible +drop during the last days in office. Unfortuantely having a loss in the +polls during the last days of office usually means no re-election. Ask +George. + +> +>He was finished before he started! + +Good one, Roooster. Thats hard to top. + +> +>The Rooster +> +> + + +";18;True +"From: alung@megatest.com (Aaron Lung) +Subject: Re: IC Packages +Organization: Megatest Corporation +Lines: 58 + +In article <1993Apr16.142715.12613@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> seema@madvlsi.columbia.edu (Seema Varma) writes: +>Hi, +> I am looking for some help in choosing a package +>for a high-speed silicon ADC (100Mhz) currently being +>fabricated. This is a PhD research project and I have to test +>the chip at speed on a PCB. I expect to have roughly 100 +>packaged circuits and will do DC, low-speed and high-speed +>testing using 3 different set-ups for the test chip. +> +> I know for sure that a DIP will not work +>(the long lead lines have too high an inductance). +>Getting a custom-made package is too expensive, so +>I am trying to choose between a flatpak and a +>leadless chip carrier. The flatpack would be hard +>to test since it has to be soldered on to the test +>setup and I would spend loads of time soldering +>as I kept changing the test chip. The leadless chip +>carrier sockets also have long lead lines and may +>not work at high speeds. +> +> Does anyone out there have experience/knowledge +>of this field ? I would greatly appreciate help! Any ideas/ +>names of companies manufacturing holders/sockets/packages +>would help. +> +>P.S. The multi-layer fancy GaAs packages seem like a bit +>of overkill(?) +> +> --- Seema Varma + + +You didn't mention whether or not cost is an issue. Where +exactly are you running 100MHz?? THe digital side? TTL? +ECL? We run 200MHz and 100MHz all over our IC test equipment +all day long in the ECL domain, and we use DIP's along +with PLCC's, 25mil and 20mil pitch 256pin QFP's to name +a few. I don't see a problem in packaging as long +as you adhere to sound engineering practices. + +A good source of information is Motorola's MECL System Design +Handbook. The latest ed. is dated 2/88. That is considered +to be one of the *bibles* in high-speed design. + +The very fact that you need to build a test fixture means +you're most likely going to need a socket. It in itself +has far more inductance per pin than the package you are +testing, not to mention any impedance discontinuities. I +don't see the big concern over the packaging because it +probably isn't going to make that much difference + +If you're trying to get TTL to run at 100MHz, have fun... +TTL was never designed to run in a 100MHz environment. +:-( + +aaron + +P.S. My opinions have nothing to do with my company...the +standard disclaimer applies. +";11;True +"From: hurh@fnal.fnal.gov (Patrick Hurh) +Subject: Cache Card and Optimum Memory Settings? +Organization: fnal +Lines: 25 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: phurh.fnal.gov + +Here's a question that may be simple enough to answer, but has stumped +myself and a few others: + +What does an external RAM cache card do for you if you already have a large +cache set (through control panel) in your SIMMs? + +EX: I have a Mac IIci with 20 meg RAM, an external video card (so I don't +rob my SIMM's), and the default Apple cache card (I believe this is 32K?). +Say I have my cache set at 2 MEG, what good does a measly 32K do me on the +cache card? Could it actually slow things down by dividing the cache +between the card and the SIMM's? Or does it still speed things up by +providing a 'secondary staging' area for data normally passed directly into +the SIMM RAM cache? + +I'm confused because it seems like cache cards are so low in memory to +really do any good compared to what you can set yourself. Yet, Daystar +FastCache has numbers which show around a 30% performance boost on some +operations. Are the chips on the cache card simply faster than most SIMM +accesses? + +Please help, I'm trying to find the optimum memory settings for the IIci +system described in the EX above. + +--patrick +hurh@fnal.fnal.gov +";0;True +"From: russotto@eng.umd.edu (Matthew T. Russotto) +Subject: Re: electronic odometers (was: Used BMW Question ..... ???) +Organization: Project GLUE, University of Maryland, College Park +Lines: 33 +NNTP-Posting-Host: tea.eng.umd.edu + +In article <1993Apr14.174857.28314@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> dje@bmw535.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Don Eilenberger) writes: +}In article <1993Apr14.153740.18542@nimbus.com>, jimiii@nimbus.com (Jim Warford) writes: + +}|> There are two simple procedures for alterating any odometer. +}|> +}|> 1. Mechanical driven odometer: +}|> Remove the speedo cable from the transmission. +}|> Attach a drill and run at max speed until the speedo turns over. +}|> Continue until the desired mileage is reached. +}|> +}|> 2. Electronically driven odometer: +}|> Remove the sensor wire from the sensor. +}|> Attach the Calibration out signal from an Oscope to the wire. +}|> Run until the speedo turns over and attains the desired mileage. +} +}Dear Faster.. I kinda wonder.. have you ever tried version 2? On what? +}Since the sensor wire on a BMW feeds also into the computer.. and we +}don't know what signal voltage is expected from it.. bad things +}*could* happen... also since we don't know the pulse rate, we +}may damage the analog part of the speedo (yes.. BMW uses a combined +}instrument.. speed in analog, trip and total milage is digital) with +}the needle pegged up against the 160MPH stop.. +} +}Just a thought... + +You've got the oscilliscope, so you connect it up to the sensor wire +and measure this stuff. That way you know what it expects. + +-- +Matthew T. Russotto russotto@eng.umd.edu russotto@wam.umd.edu +Some news readers expect ""Disclaimer:"" here. +Just say NO to police searches and seizures. Make them use force. +(not responsible for bodily harm resulting from following above advice) +";11;True +"From: heuvel@neptune.iex.com (Ted Van Den Heuvel) +Subject: Motorola MC143150 and MC143120 +Originator: heuvel@neptune.iex.com +Organization: iex +Lines: 6 + + +Does anyone out there know of any products using Motorola's Neuron(r) chips MC143150 or MC143120. If so, what are they and are they utilizing Standard Network Variable Types (SNVT)? +_________________________________________________________________________________ + +Ted Van Den Heuvel heuvel@neptune.iex.com +KX5P +";11;True +"From: rah13@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Robert A Holak) +Subject: Re: Why does Illustrator AutoTrace so poorly? +Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu +Reply-To: rah13@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Robert A Holak) +Organization: Columbia University +Lines: 3 + +A shareware graphics program called Pman has a filter that makes a picture +look like a hand drawing. This picture could probably be converted into +vector format much easier because it is all lines. (With Corel Trace, etc..) +";1;True +"From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) +Subject: Re: Alaska Pipeline and Space Station! +Organization: Texas Instruments Inc +Lines: 45 + +In <1pq7rj$q2u@access.digex.net> prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes: + +>In article <1993Apr5.160550.7592@mksol.dseg.ti.com> mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes: +>| +>|I think this would be a great way to build it, but unfortunately +>|current spending rules don't permit it to be workable. For this to +>|work it would be necessary for the government to guarantee a certain +>|minimum amount of business in order to sufficiently reduce the risk +>|enough to make this attractive to a private firm. Since they +>|generally can't allocate money except one year at a time, the +>|government can't provide such a tenant guarantee. + + +>Fred. + +> Try reading a bit. THe government does lots of multi year +>contracts with Penalty for cancellation clauses. They just like to be +>damn sure they know what they are doing before they sign a multi year +>contract. THe reason they aren't cutting defense spending as much +>as they would like is the Reagan administration signed enough +>Multi year contracts, that it's now cheaper to just finish them out. + +I don't have to ""try reading a bit"", Pat. I *work* as a government +contractor and know what the rules are like. Yes, they sign some +(damned few -- which is why everyone is always having to go to +Washington to see about next week's funding) multi-year contracts; +they also aren't willing to include sufficient cancellation penalties +when they *do* decide to cut the multi-year contract and not pay on it +(which can happen arbitrarily at any time, no matter what previous +plans were) to make the risk acceptable of something like putting up a +private space station with the government as the expected prime +occupant. + +I'd like a source for that statement about ""the reason they aren't +cutting defense spending as much as they would like""; I just don't buy +it. The other thing I find a bit 'funny' about your posting, Pat, is +that several other people answered the question pretty much the same +way I did; mine is the one you comment (and incorrectly, I think) on. +I think that says a lot. You and Tommy should move in together. + +-- +""Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live + in the real world."" -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden +------------------------------------------------------------------------------ +Fred.McCall@dseg.ti.com - I don't speak for others and they don't speak for me. +";2;True +"From: amolitor@nmsu.edu (Andrew Molitor) +Subject: Re: Off the shelf cheap DES keyseach machine (Was: Re: Corporate acceptance of the wiretap chip) +Organization: Department of Mathematics +Lines: 28 +NNTP-Posting-Host: moink.nmsu.edu + +In article <1993Apr20.192105.11751@ulysses.att.com> + smb@research.att.com (Steven Bellovin) writes: +> +> [ responding to claims about Skipjack cracking engines ] +> +>Thousands? Tens of thousands? Do some arithmetic, please... Skipjack +>has 2^80 possible keys. Let's assume a brute-force engine like that +>hypothesized for DES: 1 microsecond per trial, 1 million chips. That's +>10^12 trials per second, or about 38,000 years for 2^80 trials. Well, +>maybe they can get chips running at one trial per nanosecond, and build +>a machine with 10 million chips. Sure -- only 3.8 years for each solution. +> + + I think I should also point out that the mystical DES engines +are known plaintext engines (unless you add a ton of really smart +hardware?) + + The 'plaintext' is digitized voice, and exists for a very short +time, probably in a couple inches of copper, tops. It's flatly not +available -- your bug in my office can hear my voice, and even digitize +it, but it's going to get a different bitstream. + + It is horribly naive to suppose that regular folks can figure +out how to crack skipjack, or clipper based telephones. I'm certainly +not devoting a great deal of thought to it. + + Andrew Molitor + +";16;True +"From: deane@binah.cc.brandeis.edu (David Matthew Deane) +Subject: Re: Flaming Nazis +Reply-To: deane@binah.cc.brandeis.edu +Organization: Brandeis University +Lines: 106 + +Okay, I'll bite. I should probably leave this alone, but what the heck... + +In article <1993Apr14.124301.422@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de>, +gsmith@lauren.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de (Gene W. Smith) writes: +>In article popec@brewich.hou.tx.us +>(Pope Charles) writes: +> +>>Rhoemer was the name of the guy responsible for much of the uniforms, +>>and props used by the early Nazis in their rallies and such. +> +>The name is Roehm, not Rhoemer. And Hitler does claim that he came up +>with the Swastika business. + +But didn't he credit the actual flag design to a party member - some dentist or +other? I believe he gives such credit in Mein Kampf. + +>>He was killed in an early Nazi purge. He and many of his associates +>>were flaming homosexuals well know also for their flamboyant orgies. +> +>I have been trying to find if there is any actual evidence for this +>common assertion recently. Postings to such groups as soc.history and +>soc.culture.german has not uncovered any net.experts who could provide +>any. + +Well, I'm no expert, but all of the histories of Nazi Germany assert this. They +make reference to several scandals that occurred long before ""the night of the +long knives"". The impression that I got was that homosexuality in portions of +the SA was common knowledge. Also, a book (by a homosexual author whose name +escapes me at the moment) called ""Homosexuals in History"" asserts that Roehm +and Heines were homosexuals, as well as others in Roehm's SA circle. + +>All the books say that Roehm and his associate, Edmund Heines, +>were homosexual. I have been able to find nothing beyond that, and +>suspect this to be a sort of historical urban legend. + +Well, you're the one who is in Germany. If you don't believe the history books, +look up the primary sources yourself. Those of us outside of Germany do not +have access to these. You do. It seems to me that there were plenty of +documented instances - several scandals, the fact that on the ""knight of the +long knives"" several SA members (including Heines) were found sleeping +together, etc. Also I believe some people were complaining about the SA's +homosexual activities (seducing young boys, etc). The histories that I've +read make a very convincing case. None of this sounds like urban legend to me. + +>(Irving, a +>notoriously unreliable historian, says that Funk, the Nazi finance +>minister, was homosexual. He gives no sources.) + +I know next to nothing about Irving and nothing about Funk. What precisely do +you know, that would contradict all of the other history books that I have +read concerning the existence of homosexual Nazis? Are you trying to say that +all historians are taking part in an anti-homosexual smear? What about +homosexual writers who agree with the official history? Don't you think they +would have found out the truth by now if Roehm and Heines were not homosexuals? +I would think they would want to disassociate homosexuality from Nazism. No one +should use any connection between the two to bash homosexuals in any case. + +>I challenge anyone to document this claim. + +If you are going to challenge *all* historians on this point (not just Irving), +then the burden of proof is on you. Track down the references. Find out where +the stories originate from. Again, you are the one in Germany, close to +archival material - most people on the net are not. + +>I *have* found a great +>deal of evidence that there were many flaming heterosexuals among the +>Nazis. This seems to include all of the worst ones--Hitler, Himmler, +>Goebbels, Goering, Heydrich, Eichmann, and many more. + +Eh? What is your agenda here? To prove that the Nazis were heterosexuals, so +that you can bash heterosexuals? Does it bother you that some of the Nazis +might have been homosexuals? Does this make all homosexuals bad if this is +true? Of course not. And what about bisexuals? Are they half-Nazis? + +I don't know why it would be so difficult to believe that some Nazis were +homosexuals. The German officer corps before WW1, for instance, was notorious +for its homosexuality. There were numerous scandals which rocked the German +govt. during the late 19th and early 20th century. Many of the Kaiser's friends +were prosecuted - the Kaiser was no homosexual, but the Germany army had a long +tradition of tolerating homosexuality, going far back into Prussian history - +back to Frederick the Great at least, who was himself a homosexual. Roehm was a +product of this Prussian officer tradition, and the old German army (like the +English public school system), being a well known center of homosexuality, +would have been quite willing to overlook Roehm's homosexuality. + +In addition, some Nazis complained of homosexuality in the Hitler Youth. The +Hitler Youth swallowed up all pre-Nazi youth groups, and some of the various +pre-war Vandervogel, Bund, and Volkish youth groups were known to promote +homoerotic ideals and friendship, and in many cases, homosexuality itself. So +it seems to me not unlikely that there were plenty of homosexual Nazis, +regardless of the official Nazi dogmas concerning the ""evils"" of homosexuality. +Why should this suprise anyone? Homosexuality has always existed, in all +societies - it would be most unusual if the Nazis were an exception. + +No, I don't have any sources for you, as I think the only kind of proof you +will accept would be citations from archival material, and I do not have access +to these. Nor do I intend to reread every book on the Nazis and on modern +homosexuality that I have ever read - I don't have the time. Nothing is +stopping you, however, from chasing down those sources. Until you prove +otherwise, though, I will stick with the established histories. + +/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ +David Matthew Deane (deane@binah.cc.brandeis.edu) +""...Be in me as the eternal moods of the bleak wind...Let the Gods speak softly +of us in days hereafter..."" (Ezra Pound) +/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ +";19;True +"From: doug@sun.sws.uiuc.edu (Doug Ward) +Subject: Stealth 24 Video Drivers +Organization: State Water Survey +Lines: 14 + + +I recently purchased a Diamond Stealth 24 Video card +and received the wrong drivers. Does anyone know where +I can ftp the windows video drivers for the Stealth 24. +I tried the drivers at cica and they don't work. +The right drivers are on the Diamond BBS but the file is almost +1 meg and it would take a while to download them +at 2400 baud. Any information would be appreciated. Please +contact me at doug@sun.sws.uiuc.edu + +Thank you + +Doug Ward +. +";6;True +"From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) +Subject: Re: Best Homeruns +Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853 +Lines: 18 + +In article <1qn6tqINNmnf@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> cmk@athena.mit.edu (Charles M Kozierok) writes: +> +>the best home run i have *ever* seen came off, believe it or not, +>Roger Clemens (sorry, Val) a couple of years ago. he threw a ball to +>Incaviglia which was literally at Inky's neck, and he absolutely +>hammered the crap out of it. after the swing, Clemens nonchalantly +>motioned for a new ball--he didn't even turn around to look, or +>even get upset. the ball hit the lights in the left-field standard, +>some 70 or so feet about the Green Monster (over 100 feet above the +>ground total!) +> +>truly an amazing shot. + +I agree. Home runs off Clemens are always memorable. Kinda like +eclipses and hurricanes. They don't happen very often. + +Cheers, +-Valentine +";14;True +"From: tbrent@bank.ecn.purdue.edu (Timothy J Brent) +Subject: Re: Atheists and Hell +Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network +Lines: 31 + +In article atterlep@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Cardinal Ximenez) writes: + +> I don't see what the problem is! To Christians, Hell is, by definition, +>eternal death--exactly what atheists are expecting when they die. There's no +>reason Hell has to be especially awful--to most people, eternal death is bad +>enough. +> Literal interpreters of the Bible will have a problem with this view, since +>the Bible talks about the fires of Hell and such. Personally, I don't think +>that people in Hell will be thrust into flame any more than I expect to Jesus +>with a double-edged sword issuing from his mouth--I treat both these statements +>as metaphorical. + +Phew! That takes a load off. I don't want to live forever. I wish +most Christians held this view. You can't walk across campus in +spring without being assailed by fire-and-brimstone preachers. I +really think the metaphor should be limited, at least with respect to +teaching our children. It's criminal to put these ideas into a young +and trusting mind. Besides, why not rely on the positive aspects of +your religion to win their faith? + +-Tim + + ______________________________________________________________________________ +| | | +| Timothy J. Brent | A man will come to know true happiness, | +| BRENT@bank.ecn.purdue.edu | only when he accepts that he is but a | +|=========$$$$==================| small part of an infinite universe. | +| PURDUE UNIVERSITY | -Spinoza | +| MATERIALS SCIENCE ENGINEERING | [paraphrased] | +|_______________________________|______________________________________________| +________________________________________________________________________________ +";17;True +"From: flax@frej.teknikum.uu.se (Jonas Flygare) +Subject: Re: 18 Israelis murdered in March +Organization: Dept. Of Control, Teknikum, Uppsala +Lines: 184 + + <1993Apr5.125419.8157@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu> +NNTP-Posting-Host: frej.teknikum.uu.se +In-reply-to: hasan@McRCIM.McGill.EDU's message of Mon, 5 Apr 93 12:54:19 GMT + +In article <1993Apr5.125419.8157@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu> hasan@McRCIM.McGill.EDU writes: + + +[After a small refresh Hasan got on the track again.] + + In article , flax@frej.teknikum.uu.se (Jonas Flygare) writes: + + |> In article <1993Apr3.182738.17587@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu> hasan@McRCIM.McGill.EDU writes: + + |> In article , flax@frej.teknikum.uu.se (Jonas Flygare) writes: + + |> |> I get the impression Hasan realized he goofed and is now + |> |> trying to drop the thread. Let him. It might save some + |> |> miniscule portion of his sorry face. + + |> Not really. since i am a logical person who likes furthering himself + |> from any ""name calling"", i started trashing any article that contains + |> such abuses without responding to, and sometimes not even reading articles + |> written by those who acquired such bad habits from bad company! + |> + |> Ah, but in my followup on the subject (which you, by the way, never bothered + |> responding to..) there was no name-calling. Hence the assumption. + |> Do you feel more up to it now, so that we might have an answer? + |> Or, to refresh your memory, does the human right issue in the area + |> apply to Palestinians only? Also, do you claim there is such a thing as + |> forfeiting a human right? If that's possible, then explain to the rest of + |> us how there can exist any such thing? + |> + |> Use your logic, and convince us! This is your golden chance! + + |> Jonas Flygare, + + + well , ok. let's see what Master of Wisdom, Mr. Jonas Flygare, + wrote that can be wisdomely responded to : + +Are you calling names, or giving me a title? If the first, read your +paragraph above, if not I accept the title, in order to let you get into the +um, well, debate again. + + + Master of Wisdom writes in <1993Mar31.101957@frej.teknikum.uu.se>: + + |> [hasan] + + |> |> [flax] + + |> |> |> [hasan] + + |> |> |> In case you didNOT know, Palestineans were there for 18 months. + |> |> |> and they are coming back + |> |> |> when you agree to give Palestineans their HUMAN-RIGHTS. + + |> |> |> Afterall, human rights areNOT negotiable. + + |> |> |> Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the right to one's life _also_ + |> |> |> a 'human right'?? Or does it only apply to palestinians? + + |> |> No. it is EVERYBODY's right. However, when a killer kills, then he is giving + |> |> up -willingly or unwillingly - his life's right to the society. + |> |> the society represented by the goverment would exercise its duty by + |> |> depriving the killer off his life's right. + + |> So then it's all right for Israel to kill the people who kill Israelis? + |> The old 'eye for an eye' thinking? Funny, I thought modern legal systems + |> were made to counter exactly that. + + So what do you expect me to tell you to tell you, Master of Wsidom, + ^^^ +------------------------------------------------------------------ +If you insist on giving me names/titles I did not ask for you could at +least spell them correctly. /sigh. + + when you are intentionally neglecting the MOST important fact that + the whole israeli presence in the occupied territories is ILLEGITIMATE, + and hence ALL their actions, their courts, their laws are illegitimate on + the ground of occupied territories. + +No, I am _not_ neglecting that, I'm merely asking you whether the existance +of Israeli citicens in the WB or in Gaza invalidates those individuals right +to live, a (as you so eloquently put it) human right. We can get back to the +question of which law should be used in the territories later. Also, you have +not adressed my question if the israelis also have human rights. + + What do you expect me to tell you, Master of Wisdom, when I did explain my + point in the post, that you ""responded to"". The point is that since Israel + is occupying then it is automatically depriving itself from some of its rights + to the Occupied Palestineans, which is exactly similar the automatic + deprivation of a killer from his right of life to the society. + +If a state can deprive all it's citizens of human rights by its actions, then +tell me why _any_ human living today should have any rights at all? + + |> |> In conjugtion with the above, when a group of people occupies others + |> |> territories and rule them by force, then this group would be -willingly or + |> |> unwillingly- deprived from some of its rights. + + |> Such as the right to live? That's nice. The swedish government is a group + |> of people that rule me by force. Does that give me the right to kill + |> them? + + Do you consider yourself that you have posed a worthy question here ? + +Worthy or not, I was just applying your logic to a related problem. +Am I to assume you admit it wouldn't hold? + + |> |> What kind of rights and how much would be deprived is another issue? + |> |> The answer is to be found in a certain system such as International law, + |> |> US law, Israeli law ,... + + |> And now it's very convenient to start using the legal system to prove a + |> point.. Excuse me while I throw up. + + ok, Master of Wisdom is throwing up. + You people stay away from the screen while he is doing it ! + +Oh did you too watch that comedy where they pipe water through the telephone? +I'll let you in on a secret... It's not for real.. Take my word for it. + + |> |> It seems that the US law -represented by US State dept in this case- + |> |> is looking to the other way around when violence occurs in occupied territories. + |> |> Anyway, as for Hamas, then obviously they turned to the islamic system. + + |> And which system do you propose we use to solve the ME problem? + + The question is NOT which system would solve the ME problem. Why ? because + any system can solve it. + The laws of minister Sharon says kick Palestineans out of here (all palestine). + +I asked for which system should be used, that will preserve human rights for +all people involved. I assumed that was obvious, but I won't repeat that +mistake. Now that I have straightened that out, I'm eagerly awaiting your +reply. + + Joseph Weitz (administrator responsible for Jewish colonization) + said it best when writing in his diary in 1940: + ""Between ourselves it must be clear that there is no room for both + peoples together in this country.... We shall not achieve our goal + ^^^ ^^^ + of being an independent people with the Arabs in this small country. + The only solution is a Palestine, at least Western Palestine (west of + the Jordan river) without Arabs.... And there is no other way than + to transfer the Arabs from here to the neighbouring countries, to + transfer all of them; not one village, not one tribe, should be + left.... Only after this transfer will the country be able to + absorb the millions of our own brethren. There is no other way out."" + DAVAR, 29 September, 1967 + (""Courtesy"" of Marc Afifi) + +Just a question: If we are to disregard the rather obvious references to +getting Israel out of ME one way or the other in both PLO covenant and HAMAS +charter (that's the english translations, if you have other information I'd +be interested to have you translate it) why should we give any credence to +a _private_ paper even older? I'm not going to get into the question if he +wrote the above, but it's fairly obvious all parties in the conflict have +their share of fanatics. Guess what..? Those are not the people that will +make any lasting peace in the region. Ever. It's those who are willing to +make a tabula rasa and start over, and willing to give in order to get +something back. + + + ""We"" and ""our"" either refers to Zionists or Jews (i donot know which). + + Well, i can give you an answer, you Master of Wisdom, I will NOT suggest the + imperialist israeli system for solving the ME problem ! + + I think that is fair enough . + +No, that is _not_ an answer, since I asked for a system that could solve +the problem. You said any could be used, then you provided a contradiction. +Guess where that takes your logic? To never-never land. + + + ""The greatest problem of Zionism is Arab children"". + -Rabbi Shoham. + +Oh, and by the way, let me add that these cute quotes you put at the end are +a real bummer, when I try giving your posts any credit. +-- + +-------------------------------------------------------- +Jonas Flygare, + Wherever you go, there you are +V{ktargatan 32 F:621 + +754 22 Uppsala, Sweden + +";15;True +"From: cash@convex.com (Peter Cash) +Subject: Raid justification was: Blast them next time +Distribution: usa +Nntp-Posting-Host: zeppelin.convex.com +Organization: The Instrumentality +X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer + Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and + not necessarily those of CONVEX. +Lines: 27 + +In article <1r1chu$h22@pandora.sdsu.edu> chiu@io.nosc.mil (Francis Chiu) writes: + +> Initial assault on the ""compound"" ( more like a wooden farm house if +> it burned to the ground like it did ) for WHAT? Regardless of who +> started/caused the fire, NONE of this would have happened if the +> ATF can HONESTLY justify their initial assault and handled it +> properly! + +I just got through listening to the 10 o'clock news on Channel 4 here in +Dallas. They trotted out a list of justifications produced by the ATF after +""months of investigation"" for their raid. + +I couldn't believe the junk on this list! For example, the BDs were accused +of stockpiling a bunch of ""9mm and .223 ammunition that can be used in M15 +and M16 assault rifles"". Imagine that--they had ammunition! They also had +aluminum dust! (Yeah, it's a component of thermite, but so far I haven't +heard that it's illegal to take a grinder to the aluminum lawn +furniture...) The only thing on the list that could conceivably have been +illegal was an M-79 grenade launcher. (Anybody know about this?) + +Months of investigation! For this 80+ people died! + +-- +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ + | Die Welt ist alles, was Zerfall ist. | +Peter Cash | (apologies to Ludwig Wittgenstein) |cash@convex.com +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ +";3;True +"From: ebosco@us.oracle.com (Eric Bosco) +Subject: Help choosing SCSI controler +Nntp-Posting-Host: monica.us.oracle.com +Reply-To: ebosco@us.oracle.com +Organization: Oracle Corp., Redwood Shores CA +X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user + at Oracle Corporation. The opinions expressed are those + of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle. +Lines: 10 + + +I need to buy a SCSI controler for my 486 machine to use with a quantum +425F harddrive. I know that adaptec is good, but they are kind of +expensive. Essentially I want a controller in the $100-$150 range that I +can use with this drive. I plan to use Windows and later on OS 2.1 when it +comes out. Any reccomendations appreciated. + +-Eric + +ebosco@us.oracle.com +";5;True +"Subject: Live Free, but Quietly, or Die +From: Russell.P.Hughes@dartmouth.edu (Russell P. Hughes) +Organization: HOG HEAVEN +X-Posted-From: InterNews 1.0b14@dartmouth.edu +Lines: 31 + +What a great day! Got back home last night from some fantastic skiing +in Colorado, and put the battery back in the FXSTC. Cleaned the plugs, +opened up the petcock, waited a minute, hit the starter, and bingo it +started up like a charm! Spent a restless night anticipating the first +ride du saison, and off I went this morning to get my state inspection +done. Now my bike is stock (so far) except for HD slash-cut pipes, and +all went well with my New Hampshire State Inspection (meaning all my +lights worked OK) until the dude produces a decibel meter and tells me +about the new NH law about MC noise.....huh? sez I....and he has me +start her up and rev to about 3000 rpm....I FAIL cuz I register 120 DB, +and the max allowed is 110! If I fail with these pipes, there are gonna +be a whole lotta seriously pissed off bikers round here when they go +for inspection. + +*&%^*$%*^*%*& + +But hey, its a new experience! I have never really felt like a menace +to society before! I parked, dismounted and walked in to my building +with a slight swagger to my step, and a narrow lidded look... I sensed +my faculty colleagues unease with my new intimidating status...and +women's glances seemed to linger just a little longer....or perhaps +that was my imagination.......*sigh* + +Now I need to install my new BUB pipes and single fire ignition....I +wonder how I will do after that!? + +Russ Hughes '92 FXSTC DoD# 6022(10E20) +""Love ...yeah, that's the feeling you get when you like something +as much as your motorcycle."" + --Sonny Barger (as told to me by Ed Campbell, + who has an old friend who was there at the time) +";7;True +"From: bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig) +Subject: Re: Is it good that Jesus died? +Organization: Starfleet Headquarters: San Francisco +Lines: 111 + +brian@lpl.arizona.edu (Brian Ceccarelli 602/621-9615) writes: +> +>They do not want to know it or be exposed to light +>because their own evil deeds will be uncovered. And so by their +>own choice, they will remain in darkness. Sort of like bugs under +>a rock. However, some people, but not many, will not like the +>darkness. Sometimes it gets too cold and too dark to be +>comfortable. These people will crawl out from under the rock, +>and although blinded at first, will get accustomed to the light +>and enjoy its warm. And after a while, by virtue of the light, +>they will see the depths of their own shortcomings AND how to correct them. +>And also, they will see that there is much much more to this world +>than just the narrow little experiences under the rock. They will +>discover that life under a rock was incredibly yukky and that +>life with the Light of the World, is great. So great, that they +>will want to tell all their friends about it. + +And I maintain: + +Some people do not want to enter into the light and the knowledge that +they alone are their own masters, because they fear it; they are too +afraid of having to face the world on their own terms. And so, by +their own choice, they will remain in darkness, sort of like bugs +under a rock. However, some people, but not many, will not like the +darkness. Sometimes it gets too cold and too dark to be comfortable. +These people will crawl out from under the rock, and, although blinded +at first, will get accustomed to the light and enjoy its warmth. And, +after a while, now that they can see things for what they really are, +they will also see the heights which they can reach, and the places +they can go, and they will learn to choose their own paths through the +world, and they will learn from their mistakes and revel in their +successes. + +They will see that there is much much more to the world than just the +narrow experiences under the rock. They will discover that life under +a rock was incredibly yucky, and that life on their own terms is great +-- so great that they will want to tell everyone else about it. + +Do you see my point? I think you're the one under the rock, and I'm +getting a great tan out here in the sunlight. My life has improved +immesurably since I abandoned theism -- come and join me! It will be +a difficult trip at first, until you build up your muscles for the +long hike, but it's well worth it! + +>Not all people hate light Kent. We all have an adversion to it to some +>extent. But Brian Kendig who has been replying to this thread certainly likes +>darkness. Brian K. enjoys stating false concepts and false pressumptions +>about the God of the Bible. Without checking his own presumptions, +>he compares my God with Odin or Zeus. + +Look, you just practically equated Odin and Zeus? They're as much +different as your god is from them... + +Don't you see? I'm not going to accept ANYTHING that I can't witness +with my own eyes or experience with my own senses, especially not +something as mega-powerful as what you're trying to get me to accept. +Surely if you believe in it this strongly, you must have a good +*reason* to, don't you? + +>Withough checking his own +>presumption, he thinks hell is the equivalent of non-existence. + +When did I say that? I say that I would rather CEASE EXISTING instead +of being subject to the whims of a deity, but that if the deity +decided to toss me into the fiery pits because of who I am, then so be it. + +>Do you enjoy darkness? Most people will honestly admit ""yes"". Most people +>are fond of their sexual sins, their hording of money, their +>selfishness, and not to mention, their Biblical ignorance. + +Nope -- most people are Christian. Most people are fond of feeling +that they are imperfect, of believing that the world is an undesirable +place, of reciting magical mystical prayers to make the world nice and +holy again, of doing just as their priests tell them, like good little +sheep. You enjoy darkness, and you're proud of it. + +You may know the Bible well -- but have you read any of the Koran? Or +Zen writings? Or Hare Krishna literature? If you haven't, then how +can you say you have an open mind? + +>Sin is fun! Let's +>admit it. But a life of sin leads to trouble and death in this +>life, and hell in the next. + +Nope. You make decisions, enjoy your successes, and accept your +failures; then you die. If you are content with the life you've led +as you reflect back on it in your final moments, then you've led a +good life. + +>Come out from under the rock. + +Please do. + +> ""For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, +> that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal +> life."" + +I'm sorry, I don't feel that sacrificing Jesus was something any god +I'd worship would do, unless the sacrifice was only temporary, in +which case it's not really all that important. + +Forget the Bible for a minute. Forget quoting verses, forget about +who said what about this or that. *Show me.* Picture just you and me +and a wide open hilltop, and convince me that you're right. + +-- +_/_/_/ Brian Kendig Je ne suis fait comme aucun +/_/_/ bskendig@netcom.com de ceux que j'ai vus; j'ose croire +_/_/ n'etre fait comme aucun de ceux qui existent. + / The meaning of life Si je ne vaux pas mieux, au moins je suis autre. + / is that it ends. -- Rousseau +";19;True +"From: miller@hmsp04.wg3.waii.com (Griff Miller X7114) +Subject: Re: 68000 +Organization: Western Geo. - Div of Western Atlas Intn'l Inc., Houston, TX +Lines: 24 +Nntp-Posting-Host: hmsp04.wg3.waii.com + +In article <1993Apr15.060043.15664@serval.net.wsu.edu> rwilley@eecs.wsu.edu (Ronald Willey - CS) writes: +> +> The Supra accelerator that is mentioned in one of the pervious +>articles, is not 68000 or 68020 based. It runs on a 68030 at 28Mhz and +>the design they are using is very simple( if you were referring to the +>A500 exteranal model). + +Hmm - I don't think you and I are thinking of the same thing. I was the +original poster, BTW. The accelerator that I'm talking about almost +certainly uses a 68HC000, according to the footnotes in the Supra ad. It +only costs $199 list, so I really doubt if it has a 28 MHz 68030 inside. + +It's called the Supra 28, or Supra Turbo 28. +There's an external A500 model, and an internal A2000 model. + +BTW, does anyone know if a 28Mhz 68HC010 exists? +-- +Griff Miller > Griff.Miller@waii.com < use this for email. + + *** My opinions are mine, not Western's. *** + +""Dear friend, do not imitate what is evil but what is good. + Anyone who does what is good is from God. Anyone who does + evil has not seen God."" - 3 John 9 +";11;True +"From: zmed16@trc.amoco.com (Michael) +Subject: FOR SALE: Drum Machine +Originator: zmed16@zircon +Organization: Amoco Production Company, Tulsa Research +Lines: 12 + + +I have an Alesis HR-16 drum machine for sale. It includes velocity-sensitive +pads, 49 digital sounds, 99 pattern memory and 49 song memory. If you are +interested, make me an offer. Please respond to: + + zmed16@trc.amoco.com + +Thanks, + +Mike + + +";8;True +"From: ramakris@csgrad.cs.vt.edu (S.Ramakrishnan) +Subject: Mwm title-drag crashes X server (SIGPIPE) +Organization: VPI&SU Computer Science Department, Blacksburg, VA +Lines: 55 + + + Environment: + mach/arch : sparc/sun4 (IPX) + OS : SunOS 4.1.3 + X11 : X11R5 (patchlevel 22) + Motif : 1.2.2 + +I bring up X server using 'startx' and /usr/bin/X11/Xsun. The following sequence +of actions crashes the X server (SIGPIPE, errno=32, 'xinit' reports that connexion +to X server lost): + + 1. xinit -- Xsun + 2. start mwm + 3. start a client with a 100dpi/75dpi font. + 4. move the window by dragging the title bar. + +The server dumps core due to SIGPIPE. One of the two messages is printed: + + ""Connection to X server lost"" + +or + + ""Connection broken (errno=32)"" + +(I believe the first is reported by a client and the second by the server itself). + +Next, I ran xdm in debug level = 5. After the same set of actions, xdm reports: + + select returns -1 + Server for :0 terminated unexpectedly: status 2560 + + +Note: + * The problem doesn't occur with other window managers (twm or olwm). + * I have not set LD_LIBRARY_PATH. + * I am not running font server. + * If I start the client with fixed width font, I do not see this problem. + * My font path: + /usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc/,/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo/,/usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/,/usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi + + (I did mkfontdir in /usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi, /usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi, + /usr/lib/X11/fonts/PEX, /usr/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo, + and in /usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc). + + * This problem seems to occur only on IPX machines. I do not see this + problem on IPC workstations. + +Questions: + * What the hell is goin on ? :-) + * What does ""status 2560"" mean (of the server). + +I'd greatly appreciate any hints as to the cause of the problem. + +--- +S Ramakrishnan, CS Dept, McBryde Hall, VaTech +";12;True +"From: smf7s@galen.med.Virginia.EDU (Stephen M. Friedman) +Subject: Wizard OZ-9600 pen-based organizer & PC link for sale +Organization: University of Virginia +Distribution: na +Lines: 39 + + + + +FOR SALE: Pen-based electronic organizer -- +Brand-new Sharp Wizard OZ-9600 (with PC link software and cable) + + -15 ounces, measures 7""x4""x1"" (fits in most pockets) + -256k RAM, 125k available to user + -pen/touch-screen input for pointing and drawing + -keyboard big enough to touch-type on + -320x240 screen + -windows/pop-up menus + -excellent scheduler with alarms + -3 telephone directories + -3 user-configurable databases + -full word-processor with formatting + -drawing utility + -outliner + -to-do list + -calculator + -clock/calendar + -terminal emulatorw/ dialing directory + -directory/filing system + -serial port/infrared port/IC card slot + -uses 4 AAA batteries (about 3 months of daily use) + -All manuals + +Organizer Link II + -software and cable for exchanging data between Wizard and a PC + + $480 or best offer for both. I'll pay shipping. + + + Steven M Friedman + Horizon Institute for Policy Solutions + +Mail path: smf7s@virginia.BITNET +Voice path: (804) 295 0235 + +";8;True +"From: kayd@prism.CS.ORST.EDU (Kayd) +Subject: Texas Star DX350 Linear Amplifier or Tornado 100 Linear $150/$100 +Keywords: 10m linear amplifier watts HF +Article-I.D.: flop.1qshlgINNb3n +Distribution: usa +Organization: Oregon State University, Computer Science Dept. +Lines: 16 +NNTP-Posting-Host: prism.cs.orst.edu + +Looking for an amateur radio operator that needs a variable power linear +amplifier for 2-30MHz. Looks and works like new. Runs off 12v for mobile +use. Input: 5-10 watts Output: ~175 watts AM, ~350 watts PEP SSB. +I need $150 out of it. + +If that's too much, I also have a Tornado 100 that takes 5w in and +100/250w out for $100. + +Reply with your callsign, address and phone number for verification of license. + +Prices do NOT include shipping/packaging. + +Darrek Kay +Kayd@Prism.cs.orst.edu +(503)737-9410 +KB7RVD +";8;True +"From: tzs@stein2.u.washington.edu (Tim Smith) +Subject: Re: The state of justice +Organization: University of Washington School of Law, Class of '95 +Lines: 31 +NNTP-Posting-Host: stein2.u.washington.edu + +demon@desire.wright.edu (Not a Boomer) writes: +> A judge denied GM's new trial motion, even though GM says it has two +>new witnesses that said the occupant of the truck was dead from the impact, not +>from the fire. +> +> Thoughts? + +How can a witness tell that someone in a burning truck is dead rather than +unconscious? + +> It's kind of scary when you realize that judges are going to start +>denying new trials even when new evidence that contradicts the facts that led +>to the previous ruling appear. +> +> Or has the judge decided that the new witnesses are not to be believed? +>Shouldn't that be up to a jury? + +What kind of witnesses? If we are talking about witnesses who were at +the accident, or were otherwise directly involved (e.g., paramedics, +emergency room doctors, etc.), then they should have been used at the +first trial. You don't get a new trial because you screwed up and +forgot to call all of your witnesses. + +If we are talking about new expert witnesses who will offer new +interpretations of the data, note that the loser can *ALWAYS* find +such witnesses. If this were grounds for a new trial, then the loser +could *ALWAYS* get a new trial, and keep doing so until the loser +becomes a winner (and then the other side would come up with new +expert witnesses). + +--Tim Smith +";18;True +"From: niguma@ug.cs.dal.ca (Gord Niguma) +Subject: Re: Notes on Jays vs. Indians Series +Nntp-Posting-Host: ug.cs.dal.ca +Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada +Distribution: na +Lines: 38 + +In <1993Apr15.123803.4618@webo.dg.com> lyford@dagny.webo.dg.com (Lyford Beverage) writes: + +>In article <1993Apr13.202037.9485@cs.cornell.edu>, tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes: +>|> In article rudy@netcom.com (Rudy Wade) writes: +>|> >In article niguma@ug.cs.dal.ca (Gord Niguma) writes: +>|> >>reference to history because he certainly didn't have the best season for +>|> >>second basemen in history. He probably didn't even have as good a season as +>|> >>Alomar last year. +>|> > +>|> >What? Do you have some measure (like popularity in Toronto doesn't count) +>|> >that you are basing this statement on? +>|> +>|> Uh, yes. Baerga has a lot of flash, but Alomar was the better hitter +>|> last year. +>|> +>|> BATTERS BA SLG OBP G AB R H TB 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB CS E +>|> BAERGA,C .312 .455 .354 161 657 92 205 299 32 1 20 105 35 76 10 2 19 +>|> ALOMAR,R .310 .427 .405 152 571 105 177 244 27 8 8 76 87 52 49 9 5 +>|> + +>This is fascinating. You say that Alomar was the better hitter last +>year, and immediately follow that up with numbers showing that Baerga +>had a better year. The only category that I see which shows an advantage +>for Alomar is OBP + + Hmmm...what about walks and SB? Baerga got clobbered by Alomar in OBP and +beat him in SLG by a lesser margin. Even putting aside any other factors, +a player with a 51 point edge in OBP is more productive than a player with +a 28 point edge in SLG. The issue has been studied before, and I doubt you +could come up with any convincing argument the other way. + People see the batting average and the HR, but they don't really know +their value is worth unless they've studied the issue closely. The fact is that +Baerga ate up a LOT more outs than Alomar; while Baerga was making outs, +Alomar was drawing walks and being on base for Carter, Winfield et.al. + + Gord Niguma + (fav player: John Olerud) + +";14;True +"From: mellis@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Michael E Ellis) +Subject: **Nash Metropolitan Forsale!** +Nntp-Posting-Host: magnusug.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu +Organization: The Ohio State University +Distribution: usa +Lines: 34 + + +My little Nash has sat for about a year (had been running), but now I must move +a long distance and there are too many things to carry with me. Here are the +details of the car: + +1958 Hardtop--Exterior condition: + Rocker panels rusted out at weld points, no rust at typical spots like + door hinge mounting points, back battery box, etc. Missing front bumper, + front pan dented up, one weld popped in front. This is for the most part + a solid, restorable automobile. + + Interior Condition: + Missing original steering wheel, has one of the smaller aftermarket + wheels, seats need reupholstered, general fair condition. + + Mechanical Condition: + Had been running, but now does not want to start...needs new rings (which + I have) also have extra parts such as complete long block, extra steering + shaft, etc. + +For a car that has not been touched since 1958, it is in solid shape. It will +obviously need some work, but will make a good project. + +PRICE: Well, this is a tough one, I would like to get around 800.00, but will +consider any serious offers by individuals willing to come and get it. If you +have things to trade such as tools, toys, cameras, comics, cards, etc., +anything easily movable to Florida, I may consider that as well. + +Hit , or my e-mail address is Ellis.15@osu.edu + +(614) 777-0791 home (leave message) +Thanks + +Mike +";8;True +"From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) +Subject: Re: Finland/Sweden vs.NHL teams (WAS:Helsinki/Stockholm & NH +Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department +Lines: 23 + +In article <1993Apr17.170255.23800@abo.fi> MLINDROOS@FINABO.ABO.FI (Marcus Lindroos INF) writes: +> +>Jutila was a failure, I think, while Makela (and Ari Haanpaa) had an +>on-again/off-again career with the Islanders. Both players had to play in the +>minors. Of course I ""like"" our players, I just don't think the names +>you mention could cut it as stars in the NHL! Even ""Rexi"" in his prime was more +>of a good regular in New York/Edmonton than a superstar in his own right, +>although some blamed that on lack of effort on his behalf. +> + +Ruotsaleinen was a more than competent NHL'er...his choice of where +to play when did not bear on his hockey playing ability. + +He was crucial to the Oilers Stanley Cup victory in 1990, the one +without Gretzky, because he made an Oiler power play which was +lethargic that year until he arrived slide into overdrive. The +Oilers missed him more the following year than Kurri, and I think +the Oilers would have make the finals if Ruotsaleinen has stayed +around the following season, and would have beaten Pittsburgh +with Ruotsaleinen and a healthy Messier...and delayed Pittsburgh's +dynasty by a season. + +Gerald +";13;True +"From: turpin@cs.utexas.edu (Russell Turpin) +Subject: Re: Eumemics (was: Eugenics) +Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin +Lines: 17 +NNTP-Posting-Host: saltillo.cs.utexas.edu +Summary: Lousy idea. + +-*---- +Cross-posted and with followups directed to talk.politics.theory. + +-*---- +In article <79700@cup.portal.com> mmm@cup.portal.com (Mark Robert Thorson) writes: +> Indeed, we are today a nation at risk! The threat is not from bad genes, +> but bad memes! Memes are the basic units of culture, as opposed to genes +> which are the units of genetics. +> +> We must expand the public-health laws to include quarantine of people +> with harmful memes. ... + +In other words, we should jail people who say the wrong +things. In this advocacy, we can see a truly ugly meme. +Does Mark Robert Thorson advocate jailing himself? + +Russell +";4;True +"From: kerney@ecn.purdue.edu (John Kerney) +Subject: Re: FLYERS notes 4/17 +Keywords: FLYERS/Whalers summary +Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network +Lines: 17 + + + +Could someone post the Flyers record with and without Eric Lindros in +the lineup + + +I have a guy that is trying to compare the Quebec/Flyers trade to the + +Dallas/Minnesota trade in the NFL(Hershel Walker) + +I just need the stat to back up my point that Eric will be one of the next + +great players + +thanks + +john +";13;True +"From: apland@mala.bc.ca (Ron Apland) +Subject: Re: plus minus stat +Organization: Malaspina College +Lines: 24 + +In article <1993Apr16.222846.17764@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca>, golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes: +> It is meaningless to compare one player's plus/minus statistic with +> another players' out of the context of the role and the playing time +> of the players involved. + +It's just as meaningless to compare goals, assists, PIM and any other stat I +can think of. Each player is asked to take a unique role for his team. The +contexts will never be the same from one player to another playing on the +same team or different teams. And yet ... awards are given and promotions +received based in part on these meaningless stats. The operative words are +""in part"" - stats must be interpreted, tempered with other information one +has about the player. + + +> To compare Jagr's and Francis's plus/minus is ridiculous and absurd... + +And comparing Jagr's and Francis's points is just as ridiculous and absurd... +but not more ridiculous and absurd as comparing goals, assists, points, +\- +for Selanne, Lindros, Juneau, Potvin, and the other rookies in the league... +and yet... + +How about looking at them for what they are and enjoy the game. + +Ron +";13;True +"From: surfer@world.std.com (Internet Surfer) +Subject: New mailserver...soon...utopia-service +Organization: Boston Computer Society / ISIG +Lines: 9 + +For all those who are interested and would like to discuss the popular +Secret Life..and/or other technical documentaries.. Please email me +as i am starting a newsgroup + + +-- +jolt@gnu.ai.mit.edu | Its not impossible, just improbable +johnp@pro.angmar.uucp | (Zaphod Beeblbrox) +bl298@cleveland.freenet.edu | N1NIG@amsat.org (Being a Ham is so grand) +";11;True +"From: zed@Dartmouth.EDU (Ted Schuerzinger) +Subject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!! +X-Posted-From: InterNews 1.0b16@dartmouth.edu +Organization: WDCR/WFRD, Hanover, NH +Lines: 49 + +In article <93109.13404334AEJ7D@CMUVM.BITNET> +<34AEJ7D@CMUVM.BITNET> writes: + +> I will be surprised if this post makes it past the censors, +> but here goes: +> +> Monday, 19 April, 1993 13:30 EDT +> +> MURDER MOST FOUL!! +> +> CNN is reporting as I write this that the ATF has ignited all +> the buildings of the Branch Dividian ranch near Waco, TX. The +> lies from ATF say ""holes were made in the walls and 'non-lethal' tear +> gas pumped in"". A few minutes after this started the whole thing went up. +> ALL buildings are aflame. NO ONE HAS ESCAPED. I think it obvious that +> the ATF used armored flame-thrower vehicles to pump in unlit +> napalm, then let the wood stove inside ignite it. +> +> THIS IS MURDER! +> +> ATF MURDERERS! BUTCHERS!! +> +> THIS IS GENOCIDAL MASS-SLAUGHTER OF INNOCENT PEOPLE, INCLUDING CHILDREN! +> +> I have predicted this from the start, but God, it sickens me to see +> it happen. I had hoped I was wrong. I had hoped that there was +> still some shred of the America I grew up with, and loved, left +> alive. I was wrong. The Nazis have won. +> +> I REPEAT, AS OF THIS TIME THERE ARE **NO SURVIVORS**! +> +> God help us all. +> +> +> PLEASE CROSSPOST -- DON'T LET THEM GET AWAY WITH THE SLAUGHTER OF THE CHILDREN! +> +> +> W. K. Gorman - an American in tears. + +The latest news I saw was that two of the eight known survivors (not NO +SURVIVORS!!! as you so rudely put in all caps) said they started the +fire. + +I won't go on with the things the wacko of Waco did. + + +--Ted Schuerzinger +zed@Dartmouth.EDU +This is not the secret message. +";3;True +"From: mahan@TGV.COM (Patrick L. Mahan) +Subject: RE: need shading program example in X +Organization: The Internet +Lines: 20 +To: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu, howardy@freud.nia.nih.gov + +# +#Do anyone know about any shading program based on Xlib in the public domain? +#I need an example about how to allocate correct colormaps for the program. +# +#Appreciate the help. +# + +I don't know if this might help, but I've just started playing with a program +called POVRay (Persistance of Vision Raytracer) that also displays its output +via X Windows. It does a fairly good job of allocating the colormap on my +Psuedo-Color 8-plane display. I got the source from from a site in Canda. +The person I retrieved them from was David Buck (dbuck@ccs.carleton.ca). + +Patrick L. Mahan + +--- TGV Window Washer ------------------------------- Mahan@TGV.COM --------- + +Waking a person unnecessarily should not be considered - Lazarus Long +a capital crime. For a first offense, that is From the Notebooks of + Lazarus Long +";12;True +"From: mjones@fenway.aix.kingston.ibm.com (Mike Jones) +Subject: Re: My Belated Predictions (NL) +Reply-To: mjones@donald.aix.kingston.ibm.com +Organization: IBM AIX/ESA Development, Kingston NY +Lines: 34 + +mss@netcom.com (Mark Singer) writes: +>In article gajarsky@pilot.njin.net (Bob Gajarsky - Hobokenite) writes: +>>javier lopez is a better catcher than greg olson. +>But has there ever in the history of baseball been a 22-year-old (or +>younger) *rookie* catcher who compared favorably among all league +>catchers in terms of defense and brought a .247 bat? Wasn't it +>Sandy Alomar who was supposed to be that good in his rookie year? +>Not. Wasn't it Benito Santiago who was supposed to be that good +>in his rookie year? Not. + +Hrm. Sandy Alomar, 24 year old rookie: 132 games, .290/.326/.418. Threw +out a few baserunners. Benito Santiago, 22 year old rookie: 146 games, +.300/.324/.467. He threw out a few baserunners, too. Ivan Rodriguez, +*20* year old rookies: 88 games, .264/.276/.354. Didn't exactly suck +behind the plate. + +>I can continue this thread with the others mentioned, but you get +>the point. You and others seem to be so quick to dismiss the +>seasoned veterans in favor of the hot *young* rookies. Perhaps - +>just perhaps - the management team of the pennant-winning Braves +>knows something more than you do. And perhaps what they know is +>that very, very few 21- and 22-year old rookies come up to the majors +>and make an impact. + +True. Which only makes it more important to realize when you have one of the +few. Lopez' season last year, adjusted to major league equivalencies, was +.306/.330/.472, 15 HRs. How bad does he have to be behind the plate for that +to not be better than Olson's .238/.316/.328? + + Mike Jones | AIX High-End Development | mjones@donald.aix.kingston.ibm.com + +I would not admire hitting against [Ryne] Duren, because if he ever hit you +in the head you might be in the past tense. + - Casey Stengel +";14;True +"From: reznik@robios.me.wisc.edu (Dan S Reznik) +Subject: Correction on my last posting (GLX & lack of cous on Dialog Widget) +Organization: U. Wisconsin-Madison, Robotics Laboratory +In-reply-to: reznik@robios5.me.wisc.edu's message of 22 Apr 93 18:22:55 CDT +Lines: 13 + +On the code I sent, please replace the line: + + XtAddCallback(PopUpShell, XtNcallback, MyPopUp, (XtPointer)PopUpShell); + +by + + XtAddCallback(Button, XtNcallback, MyPopUp, (XtPointer)PopUpShell); + +--- + +The rest (and my question) remains the same... + +Dan +";12;True +"From: dietz@cs.rochester.edu (Paul Dietz) +Subject: Re: nuclear waste +Organization: University of Rochester +Lines: 41 + +In article <843@rins.ryukoku.ac.jp> will@rins.ryukoku.ac.jp (William Reiken) writes: + +>> The real reason why accelerator breeders or incinerators are not being +>> built is that there isn't any reason to do so. Natural uranium is +>> still too cheap, and geological disposal of actinides looks +>> technically reasonable. +>> +> +> November/December, 1987 page 21 - ""Science and Technology in Japan"". +> Seawater Uranium Recovery Experiment +> ""The ground uranium reserves are estimated at about 3.6 million tons, +> and it is anticipated that the demand and supply balance will collapse by the +> end of the 20th century. In Japan, a resources poor country, technological +> development are now under way to economically collect uranium dissolved in +> seawater. The total quanity of uranium dissolved in seawater is estimated +> to be about 4.6 billion tons, a huge amount when compared with ground uranium +> reserves......."" + + +I hate to pour cold water on this, but currently seawater extracted +uranium, even using the new, improved fiber absorbers from Japan, is +about 20 times more expensive than uranium on the spot market. +Uranium is *very* cheap right now, around $10/lb. Right now, there +are mines closing because they can't compete with places like Cigar +Lake in Canada (where the ore is so rich they present safety hazards +to the mines, who work in shielded vehicles). Plenty of other sources +(for example, uranium from phosphate processing) would come on line before +uranium reached $200/lb. + +""Demand and supply balance will collapse"" is nonsense. Supply and +demand always balance; what changes is the price. Is uranium going +to increase in price by a factor of 20 by the end of the century? +Not bloody likely. New nuclear reactors are not being built +at a sufficient rate. + +Uranium from seawater is interesting, but it's a long term project, or +a project that the Japanese might justify on grounds of +self-sufficiency. + + Paul F. Dietz + dietz@cs.rochester.edu +";2;True +"From: nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder 432-4219) +Subject: Re: TV Schedule for Next Week +Distribution: na +Organization: HMS +Lines: 54 +NNTP-Posting-Host: gauss.med.harvard.edu + +In article mmb@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Michael Burger) writes: +>United States TV Schedule: + +>April 18 Devils/Islanders at Pittsburgh 1 EST ABC (to Eastern time zone) +>April 18 St. Louis at Chicago 12 CDT ABC (to Cent/Mou time zones) +>April 18 Los Angeles at Calgary 12 PDT ABC (to Pacific time zone) +>April 20 Devils/Islanders at Pittsburgh 7:30 ESPN +>April 22 TBA 7:30 ESPN +>April 24 TBA 7:30 ESPN +> + +A little supplement Basic Mike's info : + +For Sundday's opener on ABC, these are the announcing crews : + +Devils/Isles at Pittsburgh - Gary Thorne(play-by-play),Bill Clement(color) +and Al Morganti roaming the halls outside the dressing rooms. +This telecast will primarily seen on the East Coast. + +St.Louis at Chicago - Mike Emrick(play - by play),Jim Schoendfeld(color) +and Tom Mees roaming the halls. +This telecast will primarily be seen in the Midwest and parts of the South. + +LA at Calgary - Al ""Do You Believe in Mircales?"" Michaels(play by play), +John Davidson(color) and Mark Jones as a roaming reporter. +This telecast will be seen in the Western USA. + +Montreal's naitive,Jon Saunders will be hosting in the studio. + +ABC will do ""Up and Close and Personal"" with Mario during Saturday's +Wide World of Sports(4:30EDT). + +Sunday will be the first NHL playoff or regular network telecast in 13 years... +not counting those silly All-Star games on NBC for the last few years... + +For Sunday's games,ABC will use 8 mikes(2 behind on the goal),super-super-slo-mo, +close-ups of player's faces at face-offs. ESPN/ABC will not be able to +use its new favorite toy,the ice-level shot, in Pittsburgh where too many +seats would have to removed to employ it... + + +In case of a blowout in progress in Pittsburgh,ABC will switch to Chicago +game but will come back to the Pittsburgh game for updates or if the game +gets closer(Ha!).. + +ABC expects huge ratings(by hockey standards) since all 3 Top US TV-markets +are involved - NY metro area(NY Islanders/NJ Devils),Chicago(BlackHawks), +and LA(Kings). + +Stay tuned, + +Thanks Mike, + +-PPV Mark +";13;True +"From: jmartin@egret.imagesRus (John Martin) +Subject: Re: Animation with XPutImage()? +Nntp-Posting-Host: suw3v.ess.harris.com +Reply-To: jmartin@egret.imagesRus +Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. +Lines: 39 + +> Hi, I'm new to this group so please bear with me! +> +> Two years ago I wrote a Sunview application for fast animation +> of raster files. With Sunview becoming rapidly obselete, I've +> finally decided to rewrite everything from scratch in XView. +> I put together a quick test, and I've found that XPutImage() +> is considerably slower (factor of 2 on average?) than the +> Sunview command pw_rop() which moves image data from memory +> pixrects to a canvas. This was on a Sparc IPX. It seems that: +> (1) the X protocol communication is slowing things down; or +> (2) XPutImage is inefficient...or both! My question is, what +> is the fastest way in X11R5 to dump 8 plane image data to +> a window? Can I take advantage of the fact that the client is +> running on the same machine as the server? Or am I stuck with +> XPutImage() (in which case I might as well give up now...)? +> +> All help appreciated...thanks! +> +> Derek +> +>In article 16330@infodev.cam.ac.uk, dcr@mail.ast.cam.ac.uk (Derek C. Richardson) writes: + ----------------------------------------------------------- +> | Derek C. Richardson | Tel: (0223) 337548 x 37501 | +> | Institute of Astronomy | Fax: (0223) 337523 | +> | Cambridge, U.K. | | +> | CB3 0HA | E-mail: dcr@mail.ast.cam.ac.uk | +> ----------------------------------------------------------- +> + + + +Animation is most frequently done by copying the the client resident XImages into +server resident Pixmap(s) using XPutImage. Once this is done, the original XImages +can be deleted and the animation loop can be performed using XCopyArea from the Pixmaps to the windows drawable. + +Hope this is helpfull. + +John + +";12;True +"From: jgarven@mcl.cc.utexas.edu +Subject: Re: Trumpet for Windows & other news readers +Lines: 34 + + +In article ashok@biochemistry.cwru.edu (Ashok Aiyar) writes: +>In article <1993Apr21.082430@liris.tew.kuleuven.ac.be> wimvh@liris.tew.kuleuven.ac.be (Wim Van Holder) writes: +> +>>What the status of Trumpet for Windows? Will it use the Windows sockets ? +>>I liked it in DOS but had to abandon it since I started using NDIS to access +>>our token ring (results in invalid class error :( +> +>While I do not speak for Peter Tattam, I am fairly sure he is planning a +>Winsock compliant version. While this will definitely not make the initial +>public release of WinTrumpet, it will follow on shortly thereafter. +> +>Currently WinTrumpet is in very late beta. It looks like an excellent +>product, with several features beyond the DOS version. +> +>WinTrumpet supports the Trumpet TCP, Novell LWP, and there is also a direct to +>packet driver version that some people are using with the dis_pkt shim. +> +>Ashok + +Ashok, + +Is WinTrumpet available anywhere via anonymous ftp? + +*=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=* +| James R. Garven | +| ---------------------------------------------------------------------- | +| Dept. of Finance, CBA 3.250 Voice: (512) 471-6557 | +| Graduate School of Business Fax: (512) 471-5073 | +| University of Texas Internet: jgarven@mcl.cc.utexas.edu | +| Austin, TX 78712, U.S.A. BITNET: Garven@UTXVM.BITNET | +| ---------------------------------------------------------------------- | +| ""Education is ... hanging on until you've caught on"" - Robert Frost | +*=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=--=* +";6;True +"From: haberj@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Haber Joerg) +Subject: ray tracing spline surfaces +Keywords: ray tracing, splines +Originator: haberj@sunbulirsch4.mathematik.tu-muenchen.de +Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany +Lines: 17 + + +Hi net! +Due to further investigation I would like to study the following article: + Peterson, ""Ray tracing general B-Splines"", + Proc. ACM Mountain Regional Conference, April 1986 +Unfortunately I didn't find it in any library's register. +If there is anyone having access to this paper or knowing about a +library containing those proceedings (preferrably in Germany), please +let me know! Any help would be appreciated! + +Thanks a lot, +Joerg Haber + +-- + Joerg Haber haberj@mathematik.tu-muenchen.de + Mathematisches Institut + TU Muenchen +";1;True +"From: bwee@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu (Boon-khim Wee) +Subject: Looking for Battletech Games on PC +Distribution: y +Nntp-Posting-Host: midway.ecn.uoknor.edu +Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA +Keywords: btech +Lines: 9 + + + I am interested in both the battletech games for the ibm pc. + +I will be grateful to anymore with information. Please email me if you + +would like to do my transaction. Thank you.! + + + +";8;True +"From: george@minster.york.ac.uk +Subject: Non-word password generator +Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England +Lines: 10 + +Does anyone know of a non-word password generator program +for PC's?? i.e. it will produce a nonsense word but still +be pronouncible. e.g. lisgollan + +Wanted to ""force"" users to adopt more secure passwords, +but still be memorable! + +Thanks - George Bolt + +p.s. please email me as well if possible ""george@psychmips.york.ac.uk"" +";16;True +"From: langford@gems.vcu.edu +Subject: Re: Organized Lobbying for Cryptography +Organization: Medical College of Virginia +Lines: 29 + +In article <1993Apr20.213718.23129@husc3.harvard.edu>, kubo@zariski.harvard.edu (Tal Kubo) writes: + +> Having mentioned the possible dangers of unwelcome political associations, +> I would be remiss not to suggest something in the opposite direction: +> gathering the support of the NRA by emphasizing the RKBA side of the +> issue as well as the First-Amendment side. +> +> Tal kubo@math.harvard.edu +> +> +Hmmm, this gave me an interesting idea. How about this argument: + +1) Second Amendment gives us the right to keep and bear arms. + +2) Strong cryptography is ""arms"", according to the U.S. government (that's + why it's so hard to export). + +Therefore, we have a constituitional right to strong cryptography! +Q.E.D. + +However, it's likely to be as hard or harder to exercise this right as it +is getting to exercise the other rights that the government is slowly +restricting. Maybe the NRA _would_ be the best existing organization? +(Although I think a new one might be better, but perhaps would take too long +to start up. I would certainly join.) +-- +| From the electronic desk of Bob Langford Health Sciences Computing +| 804-786-9843 (fax: 804-786-9807) Virginia Commonwealth University +| e-mail: langford@gems.vcu.edu [or] langford@vcuvax (for BITNET) +";16;True +"From: marka@hcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com (Mark Ashley) +Subject: Re: hearing sinners +Organization: Ft. Lauderdale, FL +Lines: 24 + +In article JEK@cu.nih.gov writes: +>On the question, ""Does God hear the prayers of sinners?"" we need to +>distinguish. +>If we say that He never hears the prayers of any who have sinned, we +>make pointless all prayers by anyone born less than 19 centuries +>ago. +>But if we consider the prayers of the impenitent sinner, of someone +>who says, ""Lord, I want you to do this for me, but don't expect me +>to change my way of life,"" that is a different matter. + +I have no doubt that God hears everybody's prayers. +However, He does things His way, i.e. things will happen +only if it is His will. + +Now if the question really is ""Does God grant everybody's wishes ?"" +then you'll get a brutal shot of reality similar to when you didn't +get that toy you wanted for Christmas. You just cannot expect +to get everything you want in this world. + +-- +------------------------------------------------------------------------- +Mark Ashley |DISCLAIMER: My opinions. Not Harris' +marka@gcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com | +The Lost Los Angelino | +";17;True +"From: mcg2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Marc Gabriel) +Subject: Bouncing LymeNet newsletters... +Organization: Lehigh University +Lines: 22 + +The following 4 addresses are on the LymeNet mailing list, but are rejecting +mail. Since the list server originally accepted these addresses successfully, +I assume these addresses have since been eliminated. Improperly functioning +mail gateways might also be responsible. + +If you are listed here and would still like to remain on the list, please +write to me. Otherwise, I will remove these addresses from the list before the +next newsletter goes out. + +As a general rule, please remember to *unsubscribe* from all your mailing +lists before your account is closed. This will save the listserv maintainer +from many headaches. + +Lezliel@Sitka.Sun.COM +Kenneth_R_Hall@Roch817.Xerox.COM +Westmx!ayoub@uunet.uu.net +Absol.absol.com!rsb@panix.COM +-- +-- +--------------------------------------------------------------------- + Marc C. Gabriel - U.C. Box 545 - + (215) 882-0138 Lehigh University +";4;True +"From: bbenson@sscvx1.ssc.gov +Subject: Re: mazda - just does not feel right +Lines: 24 +Nntp-Posting-Host: sscvx1 +Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory + +In article , mxm1003@s15.msi.umn.edu (Ram V. Mohan) writes: +> I've a 89 mazda 323 with about 42000 miles on it. Recently I do not get +> a good feeling of the road, esp. on a wet pavement when driving the car. +> It feels as if the car is wandering and there is no grip on the road. +> The tires are the original ones and have threads on them (passes the +> penny head test). I had the shocks and struts and alignment checked and +> things are fine. However I feel like that I dont have the grip of the +> road and feel as if the car is wandering esp. on turns. Any help +> in this is appreciated. Thanks. +> + +Two shots at it: (1) Check the tires again - if you can see the wear bars, +you're down to problem area (and some tires pass a penny test between the +bars - that's no guide at all). Your problem in the wet is call hydroplaning. +You may not have enough tread left to channel water out from under the +tire - so it goes fishy on you as it lifts off the road. + +(2) Tires age. In particular, soft tire compounds get harder as you put +them thru more heat cycles. Harder compounds don't grip as well as +soft ones. Effect is very noticable on tires that get very hot very +often, such as in competition, but it hits all tires. + +Bob Benson + +";10;True +"From: wis@liverpool.ac.uk (Mr. W.I. Sellers) +Subject: Re: PDS vs. Nubus (was Re: LC III NuBus Capable?) +Organization: The University of Liverpool +Lines: 42 +Nntp-Posting-Host: uxd.liv.ac.uk +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] + +Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey (higgins@fnalf.fnal.gov) wrote: +: In article , hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Brian V. Hughes) writes: +: > mmiller@garnet.msen.com (Marvin Miller) writes: +: >>My friend recently purchased a LC III and he wants to know if there is +: >>such a demon called NuBus adapter for his PDS slot? + +: > The LC family of Macs can only +: > use PDS cards. They are not able to use NuBus. + +: Ah, but why? Can some technically-hip Macslinger tell us what the +: difference is between PDS and Nubus? + +: Is it impossible to make a gadget that plugs into PDS and ends in a +: Nubus card cage? At least, Marvin's friend has not been able to +: locate one and neither have I. What is the fundamental reason for +: this? + +I think that there do exist NuBus expansion cages (I'm sure I've seen +them advertised occassionally), but I think that the main problem is that +they cost much more than the difference in price between say a LC and IIvx +so unless you need lots of NuBus slots its not worth the bother. + +(Of course, it may be that these extra boxes are so expensive because +no one buys them because they are so expensive...) + +NuBus technology isn't a special Apple Proprietry thing (I have this +sneaky feeling that it is licensed from Texas Instruments???) so there +is no problem building an expansion box. + +The difference between NuBus and PDS is that NuBus is a clever interface +with lots of neat toys built in to make sure that lots of cards can work +together on the same computer. PDS (processor direct slot) is just that: +here are all the connections to the processor. You can do anything with +this and it is as quick as it can be, but there's no cooperation. You +may be able to get double PDS slot adaptors but you try plugging 2 +video cards in, and just watch them conflict! Of course, the extra +electronics in a NuBus slot makes it appreciably more expensive, so +guess why Apple doesn't put it in it's cheaper machines? + +So, yah pays yer money and yah takes yah choice. + +Bill (wis@liverpool.ac.uk) +";0;True +"From: albert@olizei.aiva.lt (Albert Meltser) +Subject: Re: How many israeli soldiers... What are you ``joking'' dark so much for? +Distribution: world +Organization: Lithuanian-Israeli Joint Stock Company OLIZEI +Reply-To: albert@olizei.aiva.lt +Keywords: Ani ohev et kolkhem -- 'Uhibbu kullukum -- I love you all +Lines: 32 + +> Q: How many occupying israeli soldiers (terrorists) does it +> take to kill a 5 year old native child? +> +> A: Four +> +> Two fasten his arms, one shoots in the face, +> and one writes up a false report. +> +> -- +> / .. / . +> /_______/_/__________/_/_/ _< /____/ +> /___ / .. /____/ +> + +1. There is a similar idea here in ex-USSR about how many militioners it needs + to place a new electric lamp. The answer is nine: one stays on a table and + holds the lamp, four hold the table and turn it and yet four run around the + table in opposite direction not to make the first feel bad (when being + turned). Pitily, it lacks this kind of dark humour as Nick's msg does. +2. To my mind the signature should be smth like: + + / _ __ / . + /_______/_/_______________ /________ /____/ + /___ / _ / + + Albert + +-- + _ .. I _ .. II + ___I__/__)____I__I__(_) I____I ___I__II + __) ' __) . + +";15;True +"From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) +Subject: Re: This year's biggest and worst (opinion)... +Keywords: NHL, awards +Article-I.D.: alchemy.1993Apr6.200446.7553 +Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department +Lines: 33 + +In article <1993Apr6.170330.12314@is.morgan.com> scairns@fsg.com writes: +>Messier is a joke this year - bad back not withstanding. His play is +>the reason the Rangers will be on the golf course in a couple of weeks. +>Gartner is my choice - the guy works his butt off every game. +> +>Kovalev - no surprise. He's played adequately but as bad defensively + +Kovalev is too talented a player to play for Roger Nielson...Roger needs +players who can't think for themselves and can only skate in straight +lines up and down the ice. Dudley and Nielson are the only two coaches +bad enough in the league to take talents like Mogilny and Kovalev and +not know how to turn them into Bure and Selanne. + +>as was predicted in preseason. Perhaps he'll pull an Alex Mogilny in +>a couple of years and surprise us then. Zubov wasn't expected to make +>it out of the minors this season and owing to the number of injuries, +>has proved to be a very pleasant surprise. +> + +Get Muckler as coach, and Kovalev will look like Mogilny. + +The trouble with the Rangers is that Neil Smith went out and got +players like Messier, Kovalev, and Graves who have been schooled in +taking the game to their opponent and attacking, while hiring coaches +who are interested in ""rope-a-dope"" strategies. If you want the +Roger Nielsons of the world to be your coach you don't go out and +get a Mark Messier, who is an old dog who can't learn new tricks +from a known loser, and you don't waste your draft picks on players +like Kovalev. + +Gerald + +Gerald +";13;True +"From: ptrei@bistromath.mitre.org (Peter Trei) +Subject: Re: Screw the people, crypto is for hard-core hackers & spooks only +Nntp-Posting-Host: bistromath.mitre.org +Organization: The MITRE Corporation +Lines: 41 + +In article strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes: +>Actually the govrnment is telling you that if you want to use their +>""product"" the manufacturer (actually better yet, some ""trusted"" pair +>of escrow agencies) has to have the key. +> +>Most of us already are in this situation--our car makers have keys to our +>cars (or can get them quickly from the VIN number), and I have no doubt +>that if presented with a court order, they'd surrender copies to the +>government. + +>Chances are that many locksmiths have the code numbers for house locks +>they've installed, and in an emergency can cut keys; thus they'd also +>provide such keys to the government pursuant to a court order. + + Of course, nothing prevents you from buying a new lock with cash +and installing it yourself. Even modifying the core to match some +arbitrary key is not difficult to do at home. I once knew someone who +had fixed his locks in this way - his house, office and cars all took +the same key (which he took GOOD care of :-) + +>The state has no difficulty gaining access to your safe deposit box if they +>have a court order. + +>Bad analogy. + + Very bad (yours, that is). Have you ever had a safety deposit box? +They work on a two-key system. The bank clerk has one, and you have +the other (they are different keys). The bank does NOT keep a copy of +your key. If you lose it, they have to drill out the lock, and replace +the door. This is a time consuming and expensive process (which they +will be happy to charge to your account :-). + + This process is exactly analogous to having a private key which +is NOT in a escrow system, and the state having to crack your cipher +to get the data. + + Please do not use false analogies. + + Peter Trei + ptrei@mitre.org + +";16;True +"From: mbeaving@bnr.ca (Michael Beavington) +Subject: Re: Boom! Dog attack! +Nntp-Posting-Host: bmerh824 +Reply-To: MBEAVING@BNR.CA +Organization: BNR Ottawa, DMS Software Design +Lines: 28 + +In article , Clarke@bdrc.bd.com (Richard Clarke) writes: +|> final trajectory. Too bad it didn't notice the car approaching at 50+mph + .... +|> from the other direction. +|> +|> I got a closeup view of the our poor canine friend's noggin careening off +|> the front bumper, smacking the asphalt, and getting runover by the front +|> tire. It managed a pretty good yelp, just before impact. (peripheral +|> imminent doom?) I guess the driver didn't see me or they probably would have +|> swerved into my lane. The squeegeed pup actually got up and headed back +|> home, but I haven't seen it since. +|> + +Same thing to me. Everyday the same dog would chase my bicycle. +The owners thought it was cute. Even after I got the moto, +the stupid dog would do the same thing. Then one day, I was +coming home in the opposite lane...the fluff with teeth ran to +get me and played momentum sharing with a 73 Dodge pick. +The owners tried to blame me for driving down street when I did. +I lived in a wierd town. + + +============================================================================= += The Beav |Mike Beavington|BellNorthernResearch Ottawa,Ont,Canada| Dod:9733= += Seca 400->Seca 400->RZ350->Seca750->Suzuki550->Seca650turbo->V65Sabre = += (-> 1994 GTS1000 ...can't afford the '93) | mbeaving@bnr.ca = += Parking spaces? We don't need no steenkin' parking spaces! = +============================================================================= +";7;True +"From: jld@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Jeff Deeney) +Subject: Re: Re: Inverted Fork needed +Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA +Lines: 18 + +In rec.motorcycles, Matthew Mark Mueller writes: +> Help! +> +> I need the left side inverted fork for a 92' GSX-R 750 so I can go to +> track practice at Nelson Ledges next weekend. + +Hey, what do we look like, a parts store? Has it ever occurred to you to +visit your dealer and fork out the bucks for a new one? What are the +chances of someone happening to have a '92 part laying around, much less +one in working condition? Sheesh, some edu's. + +Besides, I only have the right side inverted GSX-R fork. It's already been +converted into a floor lamp. + +-Jeff Deeney- DoD#0498 NCTR '88 XR600-Shamu +jld@hpfcla.fc.hp.com AMA#540813 COHVCO '81 CB750F-Llamaha +It's too bad that whole families have to be torn apart by something as +simple as wild dogs. -Jack Handey +";7;True +"From: myers@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Myers) +Subject: Re: subliminal message flashing on TV +Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA +Lines: 18 + +> Hi. I was doing research on subliminal suggestion for a psychology +> paper, and I read that one researcher flashed hidden messages on the +> TV screen at 1/200ths of a second. Is that possible? I thought the +> maximum rate the TV was even capable of displaying images was 1/30th +> of a second. (or 1/60th of a second for an image composed of only odd +> or even scan lines) + +You are correct; the fastest ""complete"" image that could be presented on +TV would be one field, which is 1/60 of a second (approximately). Of course, +the phrase ""TV screen"" is often thrown around in reference to any CRT +display, so perhaps this researcher wasn't using normal TV rates. Might +even be a vector (""strokewriter"") display, in which case the lower limit +on image time is anyone's guess (and is probably phosphor-persistence limited). + + +Bob Myers KC0EW Hewlett-Packard Co. |Opinions expressed here are not + Systems Technology Div. |those of my employer or any other +myers@fc.hp.com Fort Collins, Colorado |sentient life-form on this planet. +";11;True +"From: jrm@cbnews.cb.att.com (john.r.miller) +Subject: Humminbird Depth Sounder forsale +Keywords: sale depth +Article-I.D.: cbnews.1993Apr6.173100.11729 +Distribution: na +Organization: AT&T +Lines: 34 + + +Hi, + + I have a Humminbird HDR200 Depth Sounder for sale. It +has been used for 1 season on my sailboat. + + All parts are included as well as the installation +instructions. It is even packed in the original box it came in. There +is no damage to the unit or the transducer. In fact, the transducer +was mounted *inside* the hull in a piece of pipe glued to the hull. +So it led a ""sheltered"" life. The transducer can be mounted either inside +the hull as I did, or on the transom. It cannot be placed in a hole +drilled into your hull. + + It is fully waterproof and fits into a 2"" hole in a bulkhead +(that's where I had it installed) or into a standard dashboard on a +powerboat. It reads depth to 199' and has a backlit LCD display. It has +an adjustable shallow water alarm built in. + + I am changing out my instruments to another manufacturer that +outputs the NMEA 0183 information. This little depth sounder works fine +and is very stable. + + + It is usually priced as low as 130$ in some catalogs, I paid 150$. + + + The first 80$ takes it, or best offer. + + + + John R. Miller + + Catalina 22, #4909 ""Tinker Toy"" +";8;True +"From: rcs8@po.CWRU.Edu (Robert C. Sprecher) +Subject: Help with SIMM configuration +Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) +Lines: 22 +NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu + + +Can someone please help me understand the current situation +regarding SIMMS? + +I have a IIsi which I will probably keep for another 2 years. + +I would like to add more memory, ie go from 5 MB to 17 MB. + +I know that I will need 4 x 4MB, 80ns or faster SIMMS. + +Which SIMMS, 30 pin or 72 pin? +Would the SIMMS I get today be usable in 2 years with a +newer, more powerful system? + +Any insight would be appreciated. + +Thanks. + +Rob +-- +Rob Sprecher +rcs8@po.cwru.edu +";0;True +"From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) +Subject: Re: >I think that about 70% (or so) people approve of the +>>death penalty, even realizing all of its shortcomings. Doesn't this make +>>it reasonable? Or are *you* the sole judge of reasonability? +>Aside from revenge, what merits do you find in capital punishment? + +Are we talking about me, or the majority of the people that support it? +Anyway, I think that ""revenge"" or ""fairness"" is why most people are in +favor of the punishment. If a murderer is going to be punished, people +that think that he should ""get what he deserves."" Most people wouldn't +think it would be fair for the murderer to live, while his victim died. + +>Revenge? Petty and pathetic. + +Perhaps you think that it is petty and pathetic, but your views are in the +minority. + +>We have a local televised hot topic talk show that very recently +>did a segment on capital punishment. Each and every advocate of +>the use of this portion of our system of ""jurisprudence"" cited the +>main reason for supporting it: ""That bastard deserved it"". True +>human compassion, forgiveness, and sympathy. + +Where are we required to have compassion, forgiveness, and sympathy? If +someone wrongs me, I will take great lengths to make sure that his advantage +is removed, or a similar situation is forced upon him. If someone kills +another, then we can apply the golden rule and kill this person in turn. +Is not our entire moral system based on such a concept? + +Or, are you stating that human life is sacred, somehow, and that it should +never be violated? This would sound like some sort of religious view. + +>>I mean, how reasonable is imprisonment, really, when you think about it? +>>Sure, the person could be released if found innocent, but you still +>>can't undo the imiprisonment that was served. Perhaps we shouldn't +>>imprision people if we could watch them closely instead. The cost would +>>probably be similar, especially if we just implanted some sort of +>>electronic device. +>Would you rather be alive in prison or dead in the chair? + +Once a criminal has committed a murder, his desires are irrelevant. + +And, you still have not answered my question. If you are concerned about +the death penalty due to the possibility of the execution of an innocent, +then why isn't this same concern shared with imprisonment. Shouldn't we, +by your logic, administer as minimum as punishment as possible, to avoid +violating the liberty or happiness of an innocent person? + +keith +";9;True +"From: ardai@wizard.atb.teradyne.com (Michael Ardai) +Subject: Re: Source for carbide pc board drills? +Organization: Teradyne, Inc. Boston MA +Lines: 18 + +In article Mike Diack writes: +-In article , pvr@wang.com writes: +-> Who sells the special carbide drills used to drill pc boards? +->I am looking for sizes smaller than #60, #65 or #70 would be good. + +-best deal i ever saw on carbides was at ELI electronics - Cambridge +-Mass. Quite close to MIT, #70 drills @ $5.00 for a box of 50. ELI are +-in the Boston fone book. + +Actually, I think they are all #57. Their phone number is 617 547 5005 +and I will probably have some over at the MIT Flea this Sunday. +/mike + + +-- +\|/ Michael L. Ardai N1IST Teradyne ATG Boston +--- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- +/|\ ardai@maven.dnet.teradyne.com +";11;True +"From: npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar) +Subject: Re: Bikes vs. Horses (was Re: insect impacts f +Nntp-Posting-Host: bmdhh299 +Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, Maidenhead, UK +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] +Lines: 41 + +Jonathan E. Quist, on the Thu, 15 Apr 1993 14:26:42 GMT wibbled: +: In article txd@ESD.3Com.COM (Tom Dietrich) writes: +: >>In a previous article, egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) says: + +: [lots of things, none of which are quoted here] + +: >>>In article rgu@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu, ai598@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Sturdevant) writes: +: >>> You think your *average* dirt biker can jump +: >>>a 3 foot log? +: > +: >How about an 18"" log that is suspended about 18"" off of the ground? +: >For that matter, how about a 4"" log that is suspended 2.5' off of the +: >ground? + +: Oh, ye of little imagination. + +:You don't jump over those -that's where you lay the bike down and slide under! +: -- +: Jonathan E. Quist + +The nice thing about horses though, is that if they break down in the middle of +nowhere, you can eat them. Fuel's a bit cheaper, too. +-- + +Nick (the 90 HP Biker) DoD 1069 Concise Oxford Giddy-Up! + +M'Lud. + + ___ ___ ___ ___ + {""_""} {""_""} {""_""} {""_""} Nick Pettefar, Contractor@Large. + ' ` ` ' ' ` ` ' Currently incarcerated at BNR, + ___ ___ ___ ___ Maidenhead, The United Kingdom. + |""_""| |""_""| |""_""| |""_""| npet@bnr.ca '86 BMW K100RS ""Kay"" + ` ' ' ` ` ' ' ` Pres. PBWASOH(UK), BS 0002 + . + _ _ _ __ . + / ~ ~~\ | / ~~ \ + |_______| [_______| + _:_ + |___| + +";7;True +"From: Petch@gvg47.gvg.tek.com (Chuck Petch) +Subject: Daily Verse +Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley, CA +Lines: 4 + +He who overcomes will inherit all this, and I will be his God and he will +be my son. + +Revelation 21:7 +";17;True +"From: david@stat.com (David Dodell) +Subject: HICN610 Medical Newsletter, Part 2/4 +Reply-To: david@stat.com (David Dodell) +Distribution: world +Organization: Stat Gateway Service, WB7TPY +Lines: 708 + + +------------- cut here ----------------- + + + + + + + + + +HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 13 +Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 + + Gonorrhea -- Colorado, 1985-1992 + ================================ + SOURCE: MMWR 42(14) DATE: Apr 16, 1993 + + The number of reported cases of gonorrhea in Colorado increased 19.9% +from 1991 to 1992 after declining steadily during the 1980s. In comparison, in +the United States, reported cases of gonorrhea in 1992 continued an overall +decreasing trend (1). This report summarizes an analysis of the increase in +gonorrhea in Colorado in 1992 and characterizes trends in the occurrence of +this disease from 1985 through 1992. + In 1992, 4679 cases of gonorrhea were reported to the Colorado Department +of Health (CDH) compared with 3901 cases reported in 1991. During 1992, +reported cases increased 22.7% and 17.5% among females and males, respectively +(Table 1). Similar increases occurred among blacks, whites, and Hispanics +(15.6%, 15.1%, and 15.9%, respectively); however, the number of reported cases +with race not specified increased 88% from 1991 to 1992 and constituted 9.7% +of all reported cases in 1992. Although the largest proportional increases by +age groups occurred among persons aged 35-44 years (80.4%) and greater than or +equal to 45 years (87.7%), these age groups accounted for only 11.0% of all +reported cases in 1992. Persons in the 15-19-year age group accounted for the +largest number of reported cases of gonorrhea during 1992 and the highest age +group-specific rate (639 per 100,000). + Reported cases of gonorrhea increased 32.9% in the five-county Denver +metropolitan area (1990 population: 1,629,466) but decreased elsewhere in the +state (Table 1). Half the cases of gonorrhea in the Denver metropolitan area +occurred in 8.4% (34) of the census tracts; these represent neighborhoods +considered by sexually transmitted diseases (STDs)/acquired immunodeficiency +syndrome (AIDS) field staff to be the focus of gang and drug activity. + When compared with 1991, the number of gonorrhea cases diagnosed among +men in the Denver Metro Health Clinic (DMHC, the primary public STD clinic in +the Denver metropolitan area) increased 33% in 1992, and the number of visits +by males to the clinic increased 2.4%. Concurrently, the number of cases +diagnosed among women increased by 1%. Among self-identified heterosexual men, +the number of gonorrhea cases diagnosed at DMHC increased 33% and comprised +94% of all cases diagnosed in males, while the number of cases diagnosed among +self-identified homosexual men remained low (71 and 74 in 1991 and 1992, +respectively). + Four selected laboratories in the metropolitan Denver area (i.e., HMO, +university hospital, nonprofit family planning, and commercial) were contacted +to determine whether gonorrhea culture-positivity rates increased. Gonorrhea +culture-positivity rates in three of four laboratories contacted increased +23%-33% from 1991 to 1992, while the rate was virtually unchanged in the +fourth (i.e., nonprofit family planning). + From 1985 through 1991, reported cases of gonorrhea among whites and +Hispanics in Colorado decreased; in comparison, reported cases among blacks + +HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 14 +Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 + +increased since 1988 (Figure 1). During 1988-1992, the population in Colorado +increased 9.9% for blacks, 9.8% for Hispanics, and 4.5% for whites. In 1992, +the gonorrhea rate for blacks (1935 per 100,000 persons) was 57 times that for +whites (34 per 100,000) and 12 times that for Hispanics (156 per 100,000) +(Table 1). Among black females, reported cases of gonorrhea increased from +1988 through 1992 in the 15-19-year age group; among black males, cases +increased from 1989 through 1992 in both the 15-19-and 20-24-year age groups. + +Reported by: KA Gershman, MD, JM Finn, NE Spencer, MSPH, STD/AIDS Program; RE +Hoffman, MD, State Epidemiologist, Colorado Dept of Health. JM Douglas, MD, +Denver Dept of Health and Hospitals. Surveillance and Information Systems Br, +Div of Sexually Transmitted Diseases and HIV Prevention, National Center for +Prevention Svcs, CDC. + +Editorial Note: The increase in reported gonorrhea cases in Colorado in 1992 +may represent an overall increase in the occurrence of this disease or more +complete reporting stimulated by visitations to laboratories by CDH +surveillance staff during 1991-1992. The increases in confirmed gonorrhea +cases at DMHC and in culture-positivity rates in three of four laboratories +suggest a real increase in gonorrhea rather than a reporting artifact. +However, the stable culture-positivity rate in the nonprofit family planning +laboratory (which serves a network of clinics statewide) indicates that the +gonorrhea increase did not uniformly affect all segments of the population. + One possible explanation for the increased occurrence of gonorrhea in +Colorado may be gang- and drug-related sexual behavior, as implicated in a +recent outbreak of drug-resistant gonorrhea and other STDs in Colorado Springs +(2). Although the high morbidity census tracts in the Denver metropolitan area +coincide with areas of gang and drug activity, this hypothesis requires +further assessment. To examine the possible role of drug use -- implicated +previously as a factor contributing to the national increase in syphilis (3-6) +-- the CDH STD/AIDS program is collecting information from all persons in whom +gonorrhea is diagnosed regarding drug use, exchange of sex for money or drugs, +and gang affiliation. + The gonorrhea rate for blacks in Colorado substantially exceeds the +national health objective for the year 2000 (1300 per 100,000) (objective +19.1a) (7). Race is likely a risk marker rather than a risk factor for +gonorrhea and other STDs. Risk markers may be useful for identifying groups at +greatest risk for STDs and for targeting prevention efforts. Moreover, race- +specific variation in STD rates may reflect differences in factors such as +socioeconomic status, access to medical care, and high-risk behaviors. + In response to the increased occurrence of gonorrhea in Colorado, +interventions initiated by the CDH STD/AIDS program include 1) targeting +partner notification in the Denver metropolitan area to persons in groups at +increased risk (e.g., 15-19-year-old black females and 20-24-year-old black +males); 2) implementing a media campaign (e.g., public service radio + +HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 15 +Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 + +announcements, signs on city buses, newspaper advertisements, and posters in +schools and clinics) to promote awareness of STD risk and prevention targeted +primarily at high-risk groups, and 3) developing teams of peer educators to +perform educational outreach in high-risk neighborhoods. The educational +interventions are being developed and implemented with the assistance of +members of the target groups and with input from a forum of community leaders +and health-care providers. + +References + +1. CDC. Table II. Cases of selected notifiable diseases, United States, weeks +ending December 26, 1992, and December 28, 1991 (52nd week). MMWR 1993;41:975. + +2. CDC. Gang-related outbreak of penicillinase-producing Neisseria gonorrhoeae +and other sexually transmitted diseases -- Colorado Springs, Colorado, 1989- +1991. MMWR 1993;42:25-8. + +3. CDC. Relationship of syphilis to drug use and prostitution -- Connecticut +and Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. MMWR 1988;37:755-8, 764. + +4. Rolfs RT, Goldberg M, Sharrar RG. Risk factors for syphilis: cocaine use +and prostitution. Am J Public Health 1990;80:853-7. + +5. Andrus JK, Fleming DW, Harger DR, et al. Partner notification: can it +control epidemic syphilis? Ann Intern Med 1990;112:539-43. + +6. Gershman KA, Rolfs RT. Diverging gonorrhea and syphilis trends in the +1980s: are they real? Am J Public Health 1991;81:1263-7. + +7. Public Health Service. Healthy people 2000: national health promotion and +disease prevention objectives--full report, with commentary. Washington, DC: +US Department of Health and Human Services, Public Health Service, 1991; DHHS +publication no. (PHS)91-50212. + + + + + + + + + + + + +HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 16 +Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 + + Effectiveness in Disease and Injury Prevention + Impact of Adult Safety-Belt Use on Restraint Use Among + Children less than 11 Years of Age -- Selected States, + 1988 and 1989 + ====================================================== + SOURCE: MMWR 42(14) DATE: Apr 16, 1993 + + Motor-vehicle crashes are the leading cause of death among children and +young adults in the United States and account for more than 1 million years of +potential life lost before age 65 annually (1). Child safety seats and safety +belts can substantially reduce this loss (2). From 1977 through 1985, all 50 +states passed legislation requiring the use of child safety seats or safety +belts for children. Although these laws reduce injuries to young children by +an estimated 8%-59% (3,4), motor-vehicle crash-related injuries remain a major +cause of disability and death among U.S. children (1), while the use of +occupant restraints among children decreases inversely with age (84% usage for +those aged 0-4 years; 57%, aged 5-11 years; and 29%, aged 12-18 years) (5). In +addition, parents who do not use safety belts themselves are less likely to +use restraints for their children (6). To characterize the association between +adult safety-belt use and adult-reported consistent use of occupant restraints +for the youngest child aged less than 11 years within a household, CDC +analyzed data obtained from the Behavioral Risk Factor Surveillance System +(BRFSS) during 1988 and 1989. This report summarizes the findings from this +study. + Data were available for 20,905 respondents aged greater than or equal to +18 years in 11 states * that participated in BRFSS -- a population-based, +random-digit-dialed telephone survey -- and administered a standard Injury +Control and Child Safety Module developed by CDC. Of these respondents, 5499 +(26%) had a child aged less than 11 years in their household. Each respondent +was asked to specify the child's age and the frequency of restraint use for +that child. The two categories of child restraint and adult safety-belt use in +this analysis were 1) consistent use (i.e., always buckle up) and 2) less than +consistent use (i.e., almost always, sometimes, rarely, or never buckle up). +Data were weighted to provide estimates representative of each state. Software +for Survey Data Analysis (SUDAAN) (7) was used to calculate point estimates +and confidence intervals. Statistically significant differences were defined +by p values of less than 0.05. + Each of the 11 states had some type of child restraint law. Of these, six +(Arizona, Kentucky, Maine, Nebraska, Rhode Island, and West Virginia) had no +law requiring adults to use safety belts; four (Idaho, Maryland, Pennsylvania, +and Washington) had a secondary enforcement mandatory safety-belt law (i.e., a +vehicle had to be stopped for a traffic violation before a citation for nonuse +of safety belts could be issued); and one state (New York) had a primary +enforcement mandatory safety-belt law (i.e., vehicles could be stopped for a +safety-belt law violation alone). In nine states, child-passenger protection + +HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 17 +Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 + +laws included all children aged less than 5 years, but the other two states +used both age and size of the child as criteria for mandatory restraint use. +The analysis in this report subgrouped states into 1) those having a law +requiring adult safety-belt use (law states), and 2) those without such a law +(no-law states). + Overall, 21% of children aged less than 11 years reportedly were not +consistently restrained during automobile travel. Both child restraint use and +adult restraint use were significantly higher (p less than 0.05, chi-square +test) in law states than in no-law states (81.1% versus 74.3% and 58.7% versus +43.2%, respectively). + High rates of restraint use for children aged less than or equal to 1 +year were reported by both adults indicating consistent and less than +consistent safety-belt use (Figure 1). Adults with consistent use reported +high rates of child-occupant restraint use regardless of the child's age +(range: 95.5% for 1-year-olds to 84.7% for 10-year-olds). In comparison, for +adults reporting less than consistent safety-belt use, the rate of child- +occupant restraint use declined sharply by the age of the child (range: 93.1% +for 1-year-olds to 28.8% for 10-year-olds). When comparing children of +consistent adult safety-belt users with children of less than consistent adult +safety-belt users, 95% confidence intervals overlap for the two youngest age +groups (i.e., aged less than 1 and 1 year). + Reported child-occupant restraint use in law states generally exceeded +that in no-law states, regardless of age of child (Table 1). In addition, +higher adult educational attainment was significantly associated with +increased restraint use for children, a factor that has also been associated +with increased adult safety-belt use (8). + +Reported by: National Center for Injury Prevention and Control; National +Center for Chronic Disease Prevention and Health Promotion, CDC. + +Editorial Note: The findings in this report are consistent with others +indicating that adults who do not use safety belts themselves are less likely +to employ occupant restraints for their children (6,9). Because these +nonbelted adults are at increased risk of crashing and more likely to exhibit +other risk-taking behaviors, children traveling with them may be at greater +risk for motor-vehicle injury (10). + Educational attainment of adult respondents was inversely associated with +child restraint use in this report. Accordingly, occupant-protection programs +should be promoted among parents with low educational attainment. Because low +educational attainment is often associated with low socioeconomic status, such +programs should be offered to adults through health-care facilities that serve +low-income communities or through federal programs (i.e., Head Start) that are +directed at parents with young children. + Injury-prevention programs emphasize restraining young children. In +addition, however, efforts must be intensified to protect child occupants as + +HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 18 +Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 + +they become older. Parents, especially those with low educational attainment, +those who do not consistently wear safety belts, and those from states that do +not have mandatory safety-belt use laws, should be encouraged to wear safety +belts and to protect their children by using approved child safety seats and +safety belts. Finally, the increased use of restraints among children may +increase their likelihood of using safety belts when they become teenagers -- +the age group characterized by the lowest rate of safety-belt use and the +highest rate of fatal crashes (5). + +References + +1. CDC. Childhood injuries in the United States. Am J Dis Child 1990;144:627- +46. + +2. Partyka SC. Papers on child restraints: effectiveness and use. Washington, +DC: US Department of Transportation, National Highway Traffic Safety +Administration, 1988; report no. DOT-HS-807-286. + +3. Guerin D, MacKinnon D. An assessment of the California child passenger +restraint requirement. Am J Public Health 1985;75:142-4. + +4. Hall W, Orr B, Suttles D, et al. Progress report on increasing child +restraint usage through local education and distribution programs. Chapel +Hill, North Carolina: University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, Highway +Safety Research Center, 1983. + +5. National Highway Traffic Safety Administration. Occupant protection trends +in 19 cities. Washington, DC: US Department of Transportation, National +Highway Traffic Safety Administration, 1991. + +6. Wagenaar AC, Molnar LJ, Margolis LH. Characteristics of child safety seat +users. Accid Anal Prev 1988;20:311-22. + +7. Shah BV, Barnwell BG, Hunt PN, LaVange LM. Software for Survey Data +Analysis (SUDAAN) version 5.50 Software documentation. Research Triangle +Park, North Carolina: Research Triangle Institute, 1991. + +8. Lund AK. Voluntary seat belt use among U.S. drivers: geographic, +socioeconomic and demographic variation. Accid Anal Prev 1986;18:43-50. + +9. Margolis LH, Wagenaar AC, Molnar LJ. Use and misuse of automobile child +restraint devices. Am J Dis Child 1992;146:361-6. + +10. Hunter WW, Stutts JC, Stewart JR, Rodgman EA. Characteristics of seatbelt +users and non-users in a state with a mandatory use law. Health Education + +HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 19 +Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 + +Research 1990;5:161-73. + +* Arizona, Idaho, Kentucky, Maine, Maryland, Nebraska, New York, Pennsylvania, +Rhode Island, Washington, and West Virginia. + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 20 +Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 + + Publication of CDC Surveillance Summaries + ========================================= + SOURCE: MMWR 42(14) DATE: Apr 16, 1993 + + Since 1983, CDC has published the CDC Surveillance Summaries under +separate cover as part of the MMWR series. Each report published in the CDC +Surveillance Summaries focuses on public health surveillance; surveillance +findings are reported for a broad range of risk factors and health conditions. + Summaries for each of the reports published in the most recent (March 19, +1993) issue of the CDC Surveillance Summaries (1) are provided below. All +subscribers to MMWR receive the CDC Surveillance Summaries, as well as the +MMWR Recommendations and Reports, as part of their subscriptions. + + SURVEILLANCE FOR AND COMPARISON OF BIRTH DEFECT PREVALENCES + IN TWO GEOGRAPHIC + AREAS -- UNITED STATES, 1983-88 + + Problem/Condition: CDC and some states have developed surveillance +systems to monitor the birth prevalence of major defects. + Reporting Period Covered: This report covers birth defects surveillance +in metropolitan Atlanta, Georgia, and selected jurisdictions in California for +the years 1983-1988. + Description of System: The California Birth Defects Monitoring Program +and the Metropolitan Atlanta Congenital Defects Program are two population- +based surveillance systems that employ similar data collection methods. The +prevalence estimates for 44 diagnostic categories were based on data for 1983- +1988 for 639,837 births in California and 152,970 births in metropolitan +Atlanta. The prevalences in the two areas were compared, adjusting for race, +sex, and maternal age by using Poisson regression. + Results: Regional differences in the prevalence of aortic stenosis, fetal +alcohol syndrome, hip dislocation/dysplasia, microcephalus, obstruction of the +kidney/ureter, and scoliosis/lordosis may be attributable to general +diagnostic variability. However, differences in the prevalences of arm/hand +limb reduction, encephalocele, spina bifida, or trisomy 21 (Down syndrome) are +probably not attributable to differences in ascertainment, because these +defects are relatively easy to diagnose. + Interpretation: Regional differences in prenatal diagnosis and pregnancy +termination may affect prevalences of trisomy 21 and spina bifida. However, +the reason for differences in arm/hand reduction is unknown, but may be +related to variability in environmental exposure, heterogeneity in the gene +pool, or random variation. + Actions Taken: Because of the similarities of these data bases, several +collaborative studies are being implemented. In particular, the differences in +the birth prevalence of spina bifida and Down syndrome will focus attention on +the impact of prenatal diagnosis. Authors: Jane Schulman, Ph.D., Nancy + +HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 21 +Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 + +Jensvold, M.P.H, Gary M. Shaw, Dr.P.H., California Birth Defects Monitoring +Program, March of Dimes Birth Defects Foundation. Larry D. Edmonds, M.S.P.H., +Anne B. McClearn, Division of Birth Defects and Developmental Disabilities, +National Center for Environmental Health, CDC. + + INFLUENZA -- UNITED STATES, 1988-89 + + Problem/Condition: CDC monitors the emergence and spread of new influenza +virus variants and the impact of influenza on morbidity and mortality annually +from October through May. + Reporting Period Covered: This report covers U.S. influenza surveillance +conducted from October 1988 through May 1989. + Description of System: Weekly reports from the vital statistics offices +of 121 cities provided an index of influenza's impact on mortality; 58 WHO +collaborating laboratories reported weekly identification of influenza +viruses; weekly morbidity reports were received both from the state and +territorial epidemiologists and from 153 sentinel family practice physicians. +Nonsystematic reports of outbreaks and unusual illnesses were received +throughout the year. + Results: During the 1988-89 influenza season, influenza A(H1N1) and B +viruses were identified in the United States with essentially equal frequency +overall, although both regional and temporal patterns of predominance shifted +over the course of the season. Throughout the season increases in the indices +of influenza morbidity in regions where influenza A(H1N1) predominated were +similar to increases in regions where influenza B predominated. Only 7% of +identified viruses were influenza A(H3N2), but isolations of this subtype +increased as the season waned, and it subsequently predominated during the +1989-90 season. During the 1988-89 season outbreaks in nursing homes were +reported in association with influenza B and A(H3N2) but not influenza +A(H1N1). + Interpretation: The alternating temporal and geographic predominance of +influenza strains A(H1N1) and B during the 1988-89 season emphasizes the +importance of continual attention to regional viral strain surveillance, since +amantadine is effective only for treatment and prophylaxis of influenza A. + Actions Taken: Weekly interim analyses of surveillance data produced +throughout the season allow physicians and public health officials to make +informed choices regarding appropriate use of amantadine. CDC's annual +surveillance allows the observed viral variants to be assessed as candidates +for inclusion as components in vaccines used in subsequent influenza seasons. +Authors: Louisa E. Chapman, M.D., M.S.P.H., Epidemiology Activity, Office of +the Director, Division of Viral and Rickettsial Diseases, National Center for +Infectious Diseases; Margaret A. Tipple, M.D., Division of Quarantine, +National Center for Prevention Services, CDC. Suzanne Gaventa Folger, M.P.H., +Health Investigations Branch, Division of Health Studies, Agency for Toxic +Substances and Disease Registry. Maurice Harmon, Ph.D., Connaught + +HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 22 +Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 + +Laboratories, Pasteur-Mirieux Company, Swiftwater, Pennsylvania. Alan P. +Kendal, Ph.D., European Regional Office, World Health Organization, +Copenhagen, Denmark. Nancy J. Cox, Ph.D., Influenza Branch, Division of Viral +and Rickettsial Diseases, National Center for Infectious Diseases; Lawrence B. +Schonberger, M.D., M.P.H., Epidemiology Activity, Office of the Director, +Division of Viral and Rickettsial Diseases, National Center for Infectious +Diseases, CDC. + +Reference + +1. CDC. CDC surveillance summaries (March 19). MMWR 1993;42(no. SS-1). + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 23 +Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 + + + +:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: + Clinical Research News +:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: + + Clinical Research News for + Arizona Physicians + + Vol. 4, No. 4, April 1993 Tucson, Arizona + +Published monthly by the Office of Public Affairs at The University of Arizona + Health Sciences Center. + Copyright 1993, The University of Arizona + + High Tech Assisted Reproductive Technologies + +Following the birth of the first in vitro fertilization-embryo transfer (IVF- +ET) baby in 1978, a host of assisted reproductive technologies have been +developed that include IVF-ET, gamete intrafallopian tube transfer (GIFT), +embryo cryopreservation (freezing) and gamete micromanipulation. Together, +these technologies are referred to as the high-tech assisted reproductive +technology (ART) procedures. + +Ovulation induction, sperm insemination and surgery for tubal disease and/or +pathology still are the mainstays of the therapies available for infertility +management. However, when these fail, it almost always is appropriate to +proceed with one of the ART procedures. + +Therefore, in addition to a comprehensive basic and general infertility +service at The University of Arizona Center for Reproductive Endocrinology and +Infertility, there is a program of Assisted Reproduction that specializes in +ART procedures. This program serves as a tertiary provider for those patients +in the state of Arizona whose infertility problems cannot be resolved by the +traditional therapies. + +The following article (on back) describes the ART procedures available in our +Center, clarifies appropriate applications for each, and considers the +realistic expectations for their success. Procedures included are: + +o in vitro +o fertilization - embryo transfer (IVF-ET), gamete intrafallopian tube + transfer +o (GIFT), cryopreservation of human embryos and gamete micromanipulation. +This article also considers ongoing research in our program that is directed +towards improved success of these technologies. + + +HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 24 +Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 + + Future Areas of Research + +In addition to ongoing research that is directed exclusively toward the +management of infertile couples, we are developing the technology to assist +couples who are at risk for producing embryos with a serious hereditary +disease. + +This technology involves biopsying the preimplantation human embryo and then +subjecting the biopsied cells to genetic analysis using either DNA +amplification or fluorescent in situ hybridization. + +There are recent reports of the successful application of DNA amplification by +other centers, for example, for diagnosis of the genes for cystic fibrosis and +hemophilia. We hope to apply and further focus fluorescent in situ +hybridization technology for probing the X chromosome, the identification of +which will provide a scientific basis for counselling patients who exhibit +sex-linked disorders. + +The considerable clinical application of such technology lies in the fact that +it circumvents the need for prenatal diagnosis, in addition to the possibility +of a subsequent termination of affected fetuses, in order to avoid the birth +of affected children. + + +Catherine Racowsky, Ph.D. +Associate Professor and Director of Research +Department of Obstetrics and Gynecology +College of Medicine +University of Arizona +Tucson, Arizona + + Applications, Success Rates and Advances for the + Management of Infertility + +The following are the ART procedures available at The University of Arizona +Center for Reproductive Endocrinology and Infertility. + + In Vitro Fertilization - Embryo Transfer is the core ART procedure of our +Assisted Reproduction Program. This procedure involves retrieval of +unfertilized eggs from the ovary, their insemination in vitro in a dish, and +the culture of resultant embryos for 1 or 2 days, before they are transferred +to the patient's uterus. All cultures are maintained in an incubator under +strictly controlled atmospheric and temperature conditions. Before being +processed for use in insemination, semen samples are evaluated in our +andrology laboratory using both subjective light microscopy and computer- + +HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 25 +Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 + +assisted semen analyses. To ensure an adequate number of eggs with which to +perform IVF-ET, or indeed, GIFT, follicular development is typically +stimulated, with gonadotropins (perganol, metrodin), gonadotropin releasing +hormone (GnRH, Factrel, lutrepulse) and/or GnRH analogues (lupron, Depo +lupron, synarel). Occasionally, however, IVF-ET is accomplished with eggs +obtained in non-stimulated cycles. While some programs utilize laparoscopic +egg retrieval in the operating room with the patient under general anesthesia, +we undertake the less costly approach of ultrasound-guided retrieval in our +Infertility Unit, with the patient sedated. + Couples who resort to IVF-ET exhibit such pathologies as tubal +deficiencies, ovulatory dysfunction, endometriosis, and/or mild forms of male +factor infertility. According to the United States IVF Registry, the overall +success rate for IVF-ET nationwide has stabilized at about 14 percent per +cycle. Results from our program, involving 86 patients who have undergone 173 +IVF-ET cycles, reflect a comparable success rate. + Nevertheless, the overall incidence of success with this procedure is +disconcertingly low and emphasizes the need to address those physiological +factors that limit achievement of a higher percentage of pregnancies. Well +recognized predictors of outcome include patient age, response to exogenous +ovarian stimulation, quality of sperm and number of repeated IVF-ET cycle +attempts. However, among these, age is the single most significant determinant +of conception. Therefore, it is critical that such patients are referred to an +Assisted Reproduction Program at the earliest opportunity following failure of +traditional therapies. + The underlying basis for the negative effect of age on fertility has not +been clearly delineated beyond recognition that: 1) the number of eggs +available for retrieval declines markedly with age; 2) fertilization rates +significantly decrease in eggs retrieved from patients who are over 40 years; +and 3) provided the appropriate hormonal background is present, age is +unrelated to uterine competency to sustain pregnancy. Ongoing research in our +Center, therefore, is investigating physiological changes in the egg that may +be impacted by age. We have determined that more than 50 percent of eggs that +fail to fertilize in vitro are chromosomally abnormal, and that a significant +proportion of these abnormalities are accountable to patient age. Currently, +the only recourse for such patients is to use eggs obtained from a donor. Our +program has initiated recruitment of volunteer egg donors to satisfy the needs +of a list of recipients interested in this form of therapy. + + GIFT - This high-tech ART procedure is performed in the operating room, +usually with the use of a laparoscope and, in contrast to IVF-ET, involves +introducing sperm and freshly retrieved eggs into the lumen of the Fallopian +tube (an average of 3 eggs/tube). Under these circumstances, fertilization +occurs in vivo and, if excess eggs are retrieved, the remainder undergo IVF, +with subsequent options for embryo transfer in that cycle, or freezing for +transfer in a subsequent cycle. This ART procedure is applied to cases in + +HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 26 +Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 + +which there is at least one patent Fallopian tube but the couple has such +pathologies as ovulatory dysfunction, endometriosis, male factor infertility +and/or idiopathic infertility. + The data reported in the United States IVF Registry for 1985 through 1990 +indicate that the overall success rate with GIFT is higher than that obtained +with the IVF-ET technique (range of clinical pregnancies for GIFT is 24 to 36 +percent and for IVF-ET 14 to 18 percent). In view of this fact, one might +expect more patients to be treated with GIFT than IVF-ET. However, in our +program we have taken into account three basic concerns which, while +substantially reducing the number of GIFT cycles performed, benefit the +patient. These concerns are: 1) the increased costs associated with performing +a procedure in the operating room; 2) the risks, albeit minimal, of undergoing +general anesthesia; and 3) the considerable benefits to be accrued from +obtaining direct information on the quality and fertilizability of the eggs, +and the developmental competency of resultant embryos. + The increased success with GIFT undoubtedly reflects the artificial +environment provided by the laboratory in the IVF-ET procedure. Between +January 1, 1991, and December 31, 1992, we have performed a total of 12 GIFT +cycles, with an overall success rate of 20 percent. + Embryo cryopreservation, or freezing, is applied in our program when +embryos result from residual GIFT eggs or from non-transferred IVF embryos. +This procedure not only provides patients with a subsequent opportunity for +success at much reduced costs, but also circumvents the legal and ethical +issues relating to disposal of supernumerary embryos. Therefore, as stipulated +by the American Fertility Society ethical guidelines for ART programs, from +both a practical and an ethical standpoint, all Assisted Reproduction programs +should have the capability of cryopreserving human embrys. + Gamete Micromanipulation - This ART procedure, which is still very new, +is applied to couples who are unaccepting of insemination with donor semen but +who have severe male factor infertility (less than 10 million sperm/ml in +combination with fewer than 20 perccent motile sperm, and/or less than 10 +percent sperm with normal morphology). We are currently developing the +procedure of sub-zonal insertion (SZI), which entails injecting sperm under +the coating around the egg, the barrier normally penetrated by the sperm +through enzymatic digestion. + Available data from SZI programs world-wide indicate that only 5 to 10 +percent of SZI cycles result in a pregnancy. This statistic undoubtedly +relates to limitations imposed by abnormalities inherent in the sperm. +Therefore, we are currently focusing on the development of improved techniques +for the recognition and selection of sperm chosen for manipulation. Such +efforts are unquestionably worthwhile in view of the fact that this technology +offers the only realistic opportunity for severe male factor patients to +establish conception. + +Catherine Racowsky, Ph.D. + +HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 27 +Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 + +Associate Professor and Director of Research +Department of Obstetrics and Gynecology +College of Medicine +--------- end of part 2 ------------ + +--- + Internet: david@stat.com FAX: +1 (602) 451-1165 + Bitnet: ATW1H@ASUACAD FidoNet=> 1:114/15 + Amateur Packet ax25: wb7tpy@wb7tpy.az.usa.na +";4;True +"From: row0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (RICHARD O. WHITE) +Subject: Re: Help with ultra-long timing +Organization: Lehigh University +Lines: 49 + + +In article <1993Apr5.083324.48826@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, wellison@kuhub.cc.ukans.e +du writes: +>I have a project that was drooped in my lap that is somewhat a pain to design. +>What I am looking for is a stable ultra-long solid state timer. What they want +>to do is to place this thing on the Antartic ice shelf and measure the amount +>of snow fall over a period of six weeks. Every two weeks, they want to trip a +>selonoid to discharge different colored pellets by gas pressure out across the +>snow. Then by digging down into the snow, the snow fall amount can be measured +>as they come to the different color pellets. +> +>The problem is trying to build a timer that would stand the cold (-40 degrees) +>and a power source that wouldn't drain. I have looked at the XR-2204 timers and +>the standard NE556 dual timers, but thier temp specs won't go that low. Also, +>two weeks equates to 1,209,600 seconds per firing, which means one big timing +>cap ! I have found 2.2 farad (yes, Farad !) caps that have a working voltage of +>5 volts and are small in size. But again, the time of discharge at -40 or lower +>degrees isn't linear. I was thinking of using several timers chained together +>to fire the selonid at the end of the timing period, but that blasted cold and +>the drain on a battery over six weeks is the pain. One possibility would be to +>use solar panels, but this is during the six month twilight. Anyone have any +>good ideas ? +> +>Thanks in advance... +> +>-=-= Wes =-=- +> +just a suggestion: +take a motorola mc14536B set it up to give you a pulse once every sec or ten +secs with either a RC or xtal clock input. then feed to a MC14521B as clock +input and decode output for 1,209,600 sec output ,might have to add a few 'and' +gates or decoder chips to get output and reset pulse back to the'521 to restart +cycle... Trigger a oneshot from the decoded riseing edge ;the one shot then +goes to a mosfet to drive the mechanism to fire the pellet launcher.. +these ckts require uAmps of current,between 5 - 15 volts, so a 12 volt +gel cell of a few Amphours would last the six weeks. +Then take the ckt board & battery wrap in 3"" or 4"" of foam or build a box +of out of the stuff...with plywood or metal exterior... +build a small heater out of 10-50 Watt resistors in series to keep the battery +and ckts warm. +2nd thought use 2 batteries one for heater one for timer and pellet trigger. + +Insolate-insolate.......even though the chips state that the - AL +rated devices are good to -55 C.. The batteries have a considerable reduction +in capacity...oh make sure the area inside has minium air leakage.. + +hope this helps +RW ( is this to long winded for the net??)(be gentle)... +-- +";11;True +"From: taybh@hpsgm2.sgp.hp.com (Beng Hang TAY) +Subject: Re: Cirrus Logic 5426 Graph Card +Organization: HP Singapore Notes-Server +Lines: 17 + +In comp.os.ms-windows.misc, gardner_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz (andy gardner) writes: + + In article <1qms3c$37t@news.cs.tu-berlin.de>, wong@cs.tu-berlin.de (Wolfgang Jung) writes: + + >Version 1.3 drivers are due to be release by Cirrus soon. + >Unfortunately, their not available via FTP, you have to dial + >up their BBS in the USA. I do this from NZ using a 14.4k modem + >to cut down on phone bills. It took me around 7 minutes to + >download the v1.2 driver. + + Could you please upload to any of the ftp sites (such as + ftp.ciaca.indiana.edu) and announce it here? This will benefit + people does not have access to their BBS in USA (like me :-))? + + Thanks a lot. + +- Beng Hang Tay +";6;True +"From: mmatusev@radford.vak12ed.edu (Melissa N. Matusevich) +Subject: Re: Paxil (request) +Organization: Virginia's Public Education Network (Radford) +Lines: 5 + +I don't know much and in fact, have asked questions here +myself. My doctor told me that Paxil is a ""cleaner"" SRI in that +it produces fewer side effects. As to a comparison between +Zoloft and Prozac, I'm not able to remember what he said about +the differences between those two drugs. Sorry +";4;True +"From: PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) +Subject: Re: re: fillibuster +Organization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education +Lines: 132 + +In article hallam@dscomsa.desy.de (Phill Hallam-Baker) writes: +> +>In article <1993Apr12.002302.5262@martha.utcc.utk.edu>, PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) writes: +> +>|>>Come to that under the original plan there wasn't meant to be anything +>|>>much for the federal government to do except keep the British out. +>|> +>|> That's also untrue, but at least we're wandering a little closer +>|>toward reality. That the Articles of Confederation fell apart is enough +>|>proof it was there for just a tad bit more. +> +>Well yes and no. The Federalist papers are propaganda and it is therefore +>difficult to determine precisely what Maddison etc were up to from them. + + There are a couple of ways to look at them. One is, ""We want +you to support this Constitution, so we'll say anything that we think +will appeal to you,"" or the more straightforward, ""This is why we think +what we've suggested in this Constitution is a good idea."" + + You clearly consider the former to be the primary situation. + +>They +>certainly emphasised a limited role for the federal government but this +>was not necessarily their true position. + + Well, I know Hamilton was a dyed in the wool monarchist, and +probably the authoritarian extreme to Jefferson's democratic impules. +But what would you suggest as a means of determining their opinions +on the government if we don't consider what they wrote about the +government? + + And is writing in support of something automatically ""propoganda"" +to the point we must assume it is untrue or that they are saying what +they don't believe? + +>|>>And like the house of lords which it is copied from it was given pretty +>|>>wide powers. Unfortunately they started to use them and thus the gridlock +>|>>set in. +>|> +>|> I wasn't aware the House of Lords had ""wide powers."" I was under the +>|>impression is was pretty powerless compared to the House of Commons, and +>|>certainly didn't have almost equal their powers. (The Senate is restricted +>|>only that it may not introduce bills relating to raising revenue.) +> +>The Senate was less powerful than the House of Lords in the period in +>question. + + If the Senate was less powerful than the House of Lords, than +we'd almost have to state that the House of Representatives was also. +(In fact, they both were, because the British government had much +greater power than did the American system). + +>|> My reading of the Constitution and other writings gives me absolutely +>|>no reason to believe the Senate wasn't intended to make use of their +>|>law-making powers. In fact, grid-lock appears to have been designed +>|>into the system, with the Senate being a more deliberative body to act +>|>as a check on the more-often elected House. +> +>The system is meant to be slow to react, the problem is that it ended up +>a bit too slow. + + I disagree. The system is not too slow, it was simply designed to +handle less than it has demanded that it handle. As somebody in Washington +put it (whose name I forget), ""Congress has become everybody's city +council."" + + Congress is more than capable of quick action, and has more than +enough power and time on its hands, if it confined itself to what its +original jurisidiction was and allowed more local autonomy. + + It is not a case of the system of government they created failing, +but that it is operating under a set of conditions they specifically +wanted to avoid. Namely, a concentration of power. It would seem +then that the proper thing to do is not to reduce the power of either +House in some attempt to grease the wheels. All you'll get then is +a system which moves quicker to do stupid things. It would make more +sense to make more decisions at a local level. + +>|> On what basis do you suggest that the Senate was supposed to be +>|>some sort of rubber-stamp for the House? You'll note that while the +>|>President's veto may be over-ridden, the House can't do anything about +>|>a ""veto"" by the Senate. +> +>The Presiden't veto was meant to be entirely separate. Until Bush abused it +>in a quite extraordinary manner it was used more in accord with the intent +>of being a check on unreasonable legislation. + + Please explain to me how Bush abused the veto in an ""extraordinary"" +manner. + +>The veto was clearly regarded +>as a completely last gasp measure its use was meant to be restricted to +>preventing the legislature interfering with the actions of the executive. + + I fail to see where any restrictions, implied or otherwise, were +placed on the veto. It could just as easily have been read as a means +to put a check on democratically popular but unwise (in the executive's +opinion) policies. + + There is no limit in the Constitution to the President's veto power +regarding what a bill is for. Previous Presidents have used the veto +for any number of reasons, most usually having something to do with their +agenda. I am really curious how you single Bush out as *the* President +who abused vetos. + +>the Senate is not meant to be exactly a rubber stamp body, it is meant as +>a check on unrestrained legislation. That is the extra measure built into +>the constitution in favour of the status quo, 60% of the representatives +>of the states is not a reasonable restriction. + + Why is it not a reasonable restriction? Because 51 Senators +is the magic holy number upon which Laws must be based? If 41 Senators +feel safe enough with their state constituencies to stand up and +fillibuster isn't that *enough* to indicate there's a sufficient question +as to whether a law is a good idea or not to re-evaluate it? + + Why one earth *should* 51% be sufficient to enact a law which +covers 250 million people in very, very diverse places and living +in radically different conditions? Why *shouldn't* a super-majority +be required? + + Any system in which the simple majority is given absolute power +to ignore the minority then the minority *will* be ignored. I do not +see this as a positive thing. And for all that I'm sure the Republicans +are looking for pork as much as the Democrats, they've got some legitimate +objections to the legislation in question. + +------------------------------------------------------------------------ +David Veal Univ. of Tenn. Div. of Cont. Education Info. Services Group +PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu - ""I still remember the way you laughed, the day +your pushed me down the elevator shaft; I'm beginning to think you don't +love me anymore."" - ""Weird Al"" +";18;True +"From: cathy@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Cathy Smith) +Subject: Questions to Ponder +Distribution: usa +Nntp-Posting-Host: blanca.lance.colostate.edu +Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO 80523 +Lines: 62 + +The Libertarian Second Amendment Caucus in Fort Collins, Colorado, +submitted this as a questionnaire to the city council candidates +in the upcoming election. As expected, very few of the candidates +(3 of 13) responded, but they know we're watching. + +Feel free to use any and all of these questions that strike your +fancy or use them as inspiration for your own. + + ***** + + 1. Would you be willing to state, in writing, that if you are + publicly demonstrated to have violated your oath of office + you would resign and never run for office again? + + 2. Under what circumstances do the rights of the group come + before the rights of the individual? + + 3. Would you support a city charter amendment prohibiting the + city government, its officials, agents, and employees from + initiating force against any human being for any reason? + + 4. Please put the following list in order of precedence (from + lowest to highest): a) city ordinance, b) city resolution, + c) state law, d) federal statute, e) U.S. Constitution, + f) state constitution. + + 5. Do you believe that it's appropriate for any city official or + employee to be paid more than his or her average private + sector constituent? + + 6. Do you believe that involuntary contributions are a legitimate + means of funding council programs? + + 7. Would you support a program recognizing the right of + taxpayers to ""earmark"" their taxes (either as ""must be used"" + or ""must not be used"") for specific programs? + + 8. In the event that the candidate ""None of the Above"" were to + win a city election, which option do you believe most + appropriate? a) The candidate with the next highest vote total + fills the office. b) A special election is held to fill the + office, with none of the previous candidates eligible to run + again. c) Let the office remain unfilled and unfunded until + the next election. d) Abolish the office. + +Please return your questionnaire to: [address of your choice] + +A signature and date line were added here. + +Thank you for taking the time to fill out this questionnaire. + + ****** + +The questionnaires were sent with self-addressed, stamped envelopes. + +P.S. One person _did_ get a perfect score on the questionnaire, and, +no, he didn't help write it. + +Cathy Smith + +My opinions are, of course, my own. + +";3;True +"From: jvp4u@Virginia.EDU (Jeffery Vernon Parks) +Subject: Re: Info about New Age! +Organization: University of Virginia +Lines: 1 + +Suggestion: try ""Exposing the New Age"" by Douglas Groothuis. +";19;True +"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) +Subject: To be exact, 2.5 million Muslims were exterminated by the Armenians. +Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) +Distribution: world +Lines: 287 + +In article linden@positive.Eng.Sun.COM (Peter van der Linden) writes: + +>1. So, did the Turks kill the Armenians? + +So, did the Jews kill the Germans? +You even make Armenians laugh. + +""An appropriate analogy with the Jewish Holocaust might be the + systematic extermination of the entire Muslim population of + the independent republic of Armenia which consisted of at + least 30-40 percent of the population of that republic. The + memoirs of an Armenian army officer who participated in and + eye-witnessed these atrocities was published in the U.S. in + 1926 with the title 'Men Are Like That.' Other references abound."" + (Rachel A. Bortnick - The Jewish Times - June 21, 1990) + +>2. Or was it the Armenians who massacred the Turks? + +Yes. To be exact, Armenians slaughtered 2.5 million Muslim people between +1914 and 1920. + + +Source #1: McCarthy, J., ""Muslims and Minorities, The Population of Ottoman + Anatolia and the End of the Empire,"" New York University Press, + New York, 1983, pp. 133-144. + +Source #2: Hovannisian, Richard G., ""Armenia on the Road to Independence, + 1918. University of California Press (Berkeley and Los Angeles), + 1967, p. 13. + +Source: Hovannisian, Richard G.: Armenia on the Road to Independence, 1918. +University of California Press (Berkeley and Los Angeles), 1967, p. 13. + +""The addition of the Kars and Batum oblasts to the Empire increased the + area of Transcaucasia to over 130,000 square miles. The estimated population + of the entire region in 1886 was 4,700,000, of whom 940,000 (20 percent) were + Armenian, 1,200,000 (25 percent) Georgian, and 2,220,000 (45 percent) Moslem. + Of the latter group, 1,140,000 were Tatars. Paradoxically, barely one-third + of Transcaucasia's Armenians lived in the Erevan guberniia, where the + Christians constituted a majority in only three of the seven uezds. Erevan + uezd, the administrative center of the province, had only 44,000 Armenians + as compared to 68,000 Moslems. By the time of the Russian Census of 1897, + however, the Armenians had established a scant majority, 53 percent, in the + guberniia; it had risen by 1916 to 60 percent, or 670,000 of the 1,120,000 + inhabitants. This impressive change in the province's ethnic character + notwithstanding, there was, on the eve of the creation of the Armenian + Republic, a solid block of 370,000 Tartars who continued to dominate the + southern districts, from the outskirts of Ereven to the border of Persia."" + (See also Map 1. Historic Armenia and Map 4. Administrative subdivisions of + Transcaucasia). + +In 1920, '0' percent Turk. + +""We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as + ways of escape for the Tartars and then proceeded in the work + of extermination. Our troops surrounded village after village. + Little resistance was offered. Our artillery knocked the huts + into heaps of stone and dust and when the villages became untenable + and inhabitants fled from them into fields, bullets and bayonets + completed the work. Some of the Tartars escaped of course. They + found refuge in the mountains or succeeded in crossing the border + into Turkey. The rest were killed. And so it is that the whole + length of the borderland of Russian Armenia from Nakhitchevan to + Akhalkalaki from the hot plains of Ararat to the cold mountain + plateau of the North were dotted with mute mournful ruins of + Tartar villages. They are quiet now, those villages, except for + howling of wolves and jackals that visit them to paw over the + scattered bones of the dead."" + + Ohanus Appressian + ""Men Are Like That"" + p. 202. + + + SOME OF THE REFERENCES FROM EMINENT AUTHORS IN THE FIELD OF MIDDLE-EASTERN + HISTORY AND EYEWITNESSES OF THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE OF 2.5 MILLION MUSLIMS + +1. ""The Armenian Revolutionary Movement"" by Louise Nalbandian, + University of California Press, Berkeley, Los Angeles, 1975 + +2. ""Diplomacy of Imperialism 1890-1902"" by William I. Lenger, Professor + of History, Harward University, Boston, Alfred A. Knopt, New York, 1951 + +3. ""Turkey in Europe"" by Sir Charles Elliot, + Edward & Arnold, London, 1900 + +4. ""The Chatnam House Version and Other Middle-Eastern Studies"" by + Elie Kedouri, Praeger Publishers, New York, Washington, 1972 + +5. ""The Rising Crescent"" by Ernest Jackh, + Farrar & Reinhart, Inc., New York & Toronto, 1944 + +6. ""Spiritual and Political Evolutions in Islam"" by Felix Valyi, + Mogan, Paul, Trench & Truebner & Co., London, 1925 + +7. ""The Struggle for Power in Moslem Asia"" by E. Alexander Powell, + The Century Co., New York, London, 1924 + +8. ""Struggle for Transcaucasia"" by Feruz Kazemzadeh, + Yale University Press, New Haven, Conn., 1951 + +9. ""History of the Ottoman Empire and Modern Turkey"" (2 volumes) by + Stanford J. Shaw, Cambridge University Press, Cambridge, New York, + Melbourne, 1977 + +10.""The Western Question in Greece and Turkey"" by Arnold J. Toynbee, + Constable & Co., Ltd., London, Bombay & Sydney, 1922 + +11.""The Caliph's Last Heritage"" by Sir Mark Sykes, + Macmillan & Co., London, 1915 + +12.""Men Are Like That"" by Leonard A. Hartill, + Bobbs Co., Indianapolis, 1928 + +13.""Adventures in the Near East, 1918-22"" by A. Rawlinson, + Dodd, Meade & Co., 1925 + +14.""World Alive, A Personal Story"" by Robert Dunn, + Crown Publishers, Inc., New York, 1952 + +15.""From Sardarapat to Serves and Lousanne"" by Avetis Aharonian, + The Armenian Review Magazine, Volume 15 (Fall 1962) through 17 + (Spring 1964) + +16.""Armenia on the Road to Independence"" by Richard G. Hovanessian, + University of California Press, Berkeley, California, 1967 + +17.""The Rebirth of Turkey"" by Clair Price, + Thomas Seltzer, New York, 1923 + +18.""Caucasian Battlefields"" by W. B. Allen & Paul Muratoff, + Cambridge, 1953 + +19.""Partition of Turkey"" by Harry N. Howard, + H. Fertig, New York, 1966 + +20.""The King-Crane Commission"" by Harry N. Howard, + Beirut, 1963 + +21.""United States Policy and Partition of Turkey"" by Laurence Evans, + John Hopkins University Press, Baltimore, 1965 + +22.""British Documents Related to Turkish War of Independence"" by Gothard + Jaeschke + +1. Neside Kerem Demir, ""Bir Sehid Anasina Tarihin Soyledikleri: + Turkiye'nin Ermeni Meselesi,"" Hulbe Basim ve Yayin T.A.S., + Ankara, 1982. (Ingilizce Birinci Baski: 1980, ""The Armenian + Question in Turkey"") + +2. Veysel Eroglu, ""Ermeni Mezalimi,"" Sebil Yayinevi, Istanbul, 1978. + +3. A. Alper Gazigiray, ""Osmanlilardan Gunumuze Kadar Vesikalarla Ermeni + Teroru'nun Kaynaklari,"" Gozen Kitabevi, Istanbul, 1982. + +4. Dr. Kirzioglu M. Fahrettin, ""Kars Ili ve Cevresinde Ermeni Mezalimi,"" + Kardes Matbaasi, Ankara, 1970. + +T.C. Basbakanlik Osmanli Arsivi, Babiali, Istanbul: + +a) Yildiz Esas Evraki +b) Yildiz Perakende +c) Irade Defterleri +d) Cemaat-i Gayr-i Muslime Defterleri +e) Meclisi Vukela Mazbatalari +f) Dahiliye Nezareti, Kalem-i Mahsus Dosyalari +g) Dahiliye Nezareti, Sifre Defterleri +h) Babiali Evrak Odasi: Siyasi Kartonlar +i) Babiali Evrak Odasi: Muhimme Kartonlari + +T.C. Disisleri Bakanligi, Hazine-i Evrak, Defterdarlik + +a) Harb-i Umumi +b) Muteferrik Kartonlar + +British Archives: + +a) Parliamentary Papers (Hansard): Commons/Lords +b) Foreign Office: Confidential Print: Various Collections +c) Foreign Office: 424/239-253: Turkey: Correspondence - Annual Reports +d) Foreign Office: 608 +e) Foreign Office: 371, Political Intelligence: General Correspondence +f) Foreign Office: 800/240, Ryan Papers +g) Foreign Office: 800/151, Curzon Papers +h) Foreign Office: 839: The Eastern Conference: Lausanne. 53 files + +India Office Records and Library, Blackfriars Road, London. + +a) L/Political and Security/10/851-855 (five boxes), ""Turkey: Treaty of + Peace: 1918-1923"" +b) L/P & S/10/1031, ""Near East: Turkey and Greece: Lausanne Conference, + 1921-1923"" +c) L/P & S/11/154 +d) L/P & S/11/1031 + +French Archives + +Archives du ministere des Affaires entrangeres, Quai d'Orsay, Paris. + +a) Documents Diplomatiques: Affaires Armeniens: 1895-1914 Collections +b) Guerre: 1914-1918: Turquie: Legion d'Orient. +c) Levant, 1918-1929: Armenie. + + +Official Publications, Published Documents, Diplomatic Correspondence, +Agreements, Minutes and Others + +A. 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(ed.); ""Prens Sabahaddin: Hayati ve Ilmi Mudafaalari,"" +(Istanbul, 1977). +Ercikan, A.; ""Ermenilerin Bizans ve Osmanli Imparatorluklarindaki Rolleri,"" +(Ankara, 1949). +Gurun, K.; 'Ermeni Sorunu yahut bir sorun nasil yaratilir?', ""Turk Tarihinde +Ermeniler Sempozyumu,"" (Izmir, 1983). +Hocaoglu, M.; ""Arsiv Vesikalariyla Tarihte Ermeni Mezalimi ve Ermeniler,"" +(Istanbul, 1976). +Karal, E. S.; ""Osmanli Tarihi,"" V. V (1983, 4th ed.); V. VI (1976, 2nd ed.); +V. VII (1977, 2nd ed.); V. VIII (1983, 2nd ed.) Ankara. +Kurat, Y. T.; ""Osmanli Imparatorlugu'nun Paylasilmasi,"" (Ankara, 1976). +Orel, S./S. Yuca; ""Ermenilerce Talat Pasa'ya Atfedilen Telgraflarin +Icyuzu,"" (Ankara, 1983). [Also in English translation.] +Ahmad, F.; ""The Young Turks: The Committee of Union and Progress in +Turkish Politics,"" (Oxford, 1969). + +Serdar Argic + + 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that + might serve as ways of escape for the Turks + and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' + (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) + 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists + a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) + + +";15;True +"From: Arthur_Noguerola@vos.stratus.com +Subject: HEAVY METAL (the magazine) for sale (NOT the MUSIC) +Organization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA +Lines: 19 +NNTP-Posting-Host: m21.eng.stratus.com + + I am cleaning out the coffers. I have a virtually + MINT collection of HEAVY METAL magazine. This is NOT + a music mag but the really neato mag with Giger and + Moebius artwork, et al. Jam packed with amazing + sci-fi and fantasy artwork by many masters. All are + mint with the exception of the 3 that have split seam + on the cover only but are otherwise perfect, no cut + outs or missing pages. I have Sep, Nov and Dec issues + for 1978, ALL issues for 1979, 1980, 1981, 1982, 1983 + and Jan thru Sep for 1984 (72 issues in all i + believe). I will not break them up. They will be + sold as a single lot. Send your offers to me. + Shipping not included, these are pretty heavy. Of + course if you are local (Mass, USA) you can come get + 'em in person. + + arthur_noguerola@vos.stratus.com + + +";8;True +"From: landis@stsci.edu (Robert Landis,S202,,) +Subject: Re: Space Debris +Reply-To: landis@stsci.edu +Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute, Baltimore MD +Lines: 14 + +Another fish to check out is Richard Rast -- he works +for Lockheed Missiles, but is on-site at NASA Johnson. + +Nick Johnson at Kaman Sciences in Colo. Spgs and his +friend, Darren McKnight at Kaman in Alexandria, VA. + +Good luck. + +R. Landis + +""Behind every general is his wife.... and... + behind every Hillary is a Bill . ."" + + +";2;True +"From: hwstock@snll-arpagw.llnl.gov (stockman harlan w) +Subject: hp2xx for DOS +Organization: Sandia National Laboratories +Lines: 3 + + +Is there a precompiled version of hp2xx for DOS out there - prefereably +for 386/486? +";1;True +"From: Rupin.Dang@dartmouth.edu (Rupin Dang) +Subject: Panasonic answering machine forsale +Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH +Lines: 3 + +Auto Logic Panasonic answering machine with dual cassette system. I will +include cassettes and AC power adaptor. Excellent condition. Asking $30 with +accessories. +";8;True +"From: nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu +Subject: Re: Stereo Pix of planets?y +Lines: 15 +Nntp-Posting-Host: acad3.alaska.edu +Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks + +In article <1993Apr20.010326.8634@csus.edu>, arthurc@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (Arthur Chandler) writes: +> Can anyone tell me where I might find stereo images of planetary and +> planetary satellite surfaces? GIFs preferred, but any will do. I'm +> especially interested in stereos of the surfaces of Phobos, Deimos, Mars +> and the Moon (in that order). +> Thanks. + + +ames.arc.nasa.gov not sure what subdirectory thou.. + +== +Michael Adams, nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu -- I'm not high, just jacked + +PS: I know it has a GIF area as well as SPACE and other info.. + +";2;True +"From: sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) +Subject: Re: Davidians and compassion +Organization: Cookamunga Tourist Bureau +Lines: 24 + +In article , arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu +(Ken Arromdee) wrote: +> +> In article sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes: +> >So we have this highly Christian religious order that put fire +> >on their house, killing most of the people inside. +> +> We have no way to know that the cultists burned the house; it could have been +> the BATF and FBI. We only have the government's word for it, after all, and +> people who started it by a no-knock search with concussion grenades are hardly +> disinterested observers. + +There's another point to be made. Those who have been inside burning +houses know that if they want to stay alive, it's better to run out +from the building. We had one case where an FBI agent *had to +drag out a women* from the burning house, she run back in when +she saw the forces arriving. It is a good indication of the fanatical +mind that the followers had -- including having they children burned +instead of saving these innocent victims of the instance. + +Cheers, +Kent +--- +sandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net. +";19;True +"From: SFEGUS@ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu +Subject: Re: Barbecued foods and health risk +Organization: University at Buffalo +Lines: 38 +Nntp-Posting-Host: ubvm.cc.buffalo.edu + +In article <79857@cup.portal.com> +mmm@cup.portal.com (Mark Robert Thorson) writes: + +> +>> I don't understand the assumption that because something is found to +>> be carcinogenic that ""it would not be legal in the U.S."". I think that +> +>No, there is something called the ""Delany Amendment"" which makes carcinogenic +>food additives illegal in any amount. This was passed by Congress in the +>1950's, before stuff like mass spectrometry became available, which increased +>detectable levels of substances by a couple orders of magnitude. +> +>This is why things like cyclamates and Red #2 were banned. They are very +>weakly carcinogenic in huge quantities in rats, so under the Act they are +>banned. +> +>This also applies to natural carcinogens. Some of you might remember a +>time back in the 1960's when root beer suddenly stopped tasting so good, +>and never tasted so good again. That was the time when safrole was banned. +>This is the active flavoring ingredient in sassafras leaves. +> +>If it were possible to market a root beer good like the old days, someone +>would do it, in order to make money. The fact that no one does it indicates +>that enforcement is still in effect. +> +>An odd exception to the rule seems to be the product known as ""gumbo file'"". +>This is nothing more than coarsely ground dried sassafras leaves. This +>is not only a natural product, but a natural product still in its natural +>form, so maybe that's how they evade Delany. Or maybe a special exemption +>was made, to appease powerful Louisiana Democrats. + +I think what we have to keep in mind is that even though it may be illegal to +commercially produce/sell food with carcinogenic substances, it is not illegal +for people to do such to their own food (smoking, etc). Is this true? + + + + +";4;True +"From: bbenowit@telesciences.com (Barry D Benowitz) +Subject: Re: eye dominance +In-Reply-To: rsilver@world.std.com's message of Mon, 12 Apr 1993 21:02:31 GMT +Nntp-Posting-Host: kyanite +Organization: Telesciences CO Systems, Inc. +Lines: 24 + +In article rsilver@world.std.com (Richard Silver) writes: + +> Is there a right-eye dominance (eyedness?) as there is an +> overall right-handedness in the population? I mean do most +> people require less lens corrections for the one eye than the +> other? If so, what kinds of percentages can be attached to this? +> Thanks. + + +Yes, there is such a thing as eye dominance, although I am not sure if +this dominance refers to perscription strength. + +As i recall, if you selectively close your dominant eye, you will percieve +that the image shifts. This will not happen if you close your other eye. + +I believe that which eye is dominant is related to handedness, but I +can't recall the relation at the moment. + + +-- +Barry D. Benowitz +EMail: bbenowit@telesciences.com (...!pyrnj!telesci!bbenowit) +Phone: +1 609 866 1000 x354 +Snail: Telesciences CO Systems, 351 New Albany Rd, Moorestown, NJ, 08057-1177 +";4;True +"From: prb@access.digex.com (Pat) +Subject: Re: Commercial mining activities on the moon +Organization: Express Access Online Communications USA +Lines: 10 +NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net + +In article <1r46j3INN14j@mojo.eng.umd.edu> sysmgr@king.eng.umd.edu writes: +>In article , steinly@topaz.ucsc.edu (Steinn Sigurdsson) writes: +| +|>Very cost effective if you use the right accounting method :-) +| +>Sherzer Methodology!!!!!! + +Let it never be said that an opportunity was missed to put someone down. + + +";2;True +"From: jodfishe@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (joseph dale fisher) +Subject: Re: Christ references in OT +Organization: Indiana University +Lines: 11 + +Adam, I just finished a study on this, not only looking at the +prophecies themselves, but where they were fulfilled. While going only +through the OT, I found 508 references. After starting to show their +fulfillment, I found out that I had missed some, so needless to say I +cannot post them here. However, the study I did I intend to publish (I +am in the process of organizing and showing the fulfillments, then I +will be ready to write and send it to a publisher). With any luck +(and/or free time) I should have it finally done sometime around +September (I hope). + +Joe Fisher +";17;True +"From: ph@gmd.de (Peter Hendricks) +Subject: Re: Wanted: A to D hardware for a PC +To: ebuddington@eagle.wesleyan.edu +Nntp-Posting-Host: gmdzi +Organization: GMD, Sankt Augustin, Germany +Lines: 23 + +In <3889@ncr-mpd.FtCollinsCO.NCR.COM> Brad Wright writes: + +> If you know much about PC's (IBM comp) you might try the joystick +>port. Though I haven't tried this myself, I've been told that the port +>has built in A-D converters. This would allow the joystick to be a couple of +>pots. If you could find the specs this might just work for you... + +I guess 100k, connecting pins 1-3 (1x), 1-6 (1y), 9-11 (2x), and 9-13 (2y). + +Or: Get an 8-bit DA-Converter (merely a couple of transistors and +Resistors) and an OpAmp to compare its output to the voltage you want to +measure, connect them to a spared printer port (if you have one), and do +the rest by software (stepwise refinement). The port addresses for your +printer ports are probably: &H378 (LPT1), &H278 (LPT2). This should work +well enough for your purposes. + +Hope this helps + +-- +GMD, Schloss Birlinghoven, Postfach 1316, D-5205 St. Augustin 1, FRG + +e-mail: Peter.Hendricks@gmd.de ph@zi.gmd.dbp.de + ph@gmd.de +";11;True +"From: accgsg@vaxa.hofstra.edu (Gary Graffagnino) +Subject: Isles / Hockey Ramblings +Lines: 43 + + + Well, the Patrick Division got a little more interesting last night. +The Islanders lost in OT and the Devils tied the Pens. That means if the Isles +beat the Devils on Friday, the will meet the Caps in the playoffs. + + However, I have some more comments on the Islanders and hockey in +general that I need to get off my chest :). First of all, with the Islanders +back-to-back lackluster performances against the Whalers, one may think that +the Islanders are out of shape. These guys always suck wind in the 2nd period, +come on a little in the 3rd and run out of gas too soon. It is unbelieveable +how many one goal games these guys have lost. Anyway, the games was pretty +wide open. The Isles still have tons of trouble scoring. The Whalers played +a golie in is 1st NHL start, I think his name was Lenarduzzi (sp?). (His NHL +debut was the Tuesday tie against the Isles). Like I mentioned before, this +guy looked like the best golie on the planet for a while (until he misplayed a +Mahlakov slap shot to go to OT). I say it's because the Isles don't shoot +correctly. Has anyone else noticed this? + + Also, I think it is really a shame for hockey when I guy like Mick +Vukota gets as much ice time as he does. This guy has about as much hockey +talent as Jiggs MacDonald (who did play hockey, I think). Anytime he gets the +puck it gets stolen, and he always starts fights and gets needless penalties. +Richard Pilon is another guy who is on the ice to stir up crap. And he's a +defenseman. He's got to be approaching negative infinity for his plus/minus. +This guy gets beaten all the time. Why the need for such ""enforcers""? Not +only do fights slow the game down ALOT, but it takes away from the guys who are +really trying to play the game. I'll be one of the few to admit, I do enjoy a +good fight once in a while, but only when it's ""called for"". You know, when a +guy checks the goalie too hard. In other words, a violation of ""hockey ethics"" +might cause you to get puched. But there is no need to start crap when you are +losing or becuase you can get away with it!! Does anyone agree that referees +need to be a little less lenient in the 3rd and OT? I mean COME ON already. +I'm sick of seeing teams pulling guys down, holding guys etc. just becuase the +referee doesn't call it. OT and late in the 3rd should be a time for strategy, +not physical prowess. Trying to set up a goal should be first and foremost. +If you are so afraid that the other team is going to score that you have to +pull a guy down to prevent it, you don't deserve to win in the first place. + +Just My Honest Opinion, + +Gary at Hofstra +ACCGSG@VAXB.HOFSTRA.EDU +ACCGSG@HOFSTRA.BITNET +";13;True +"From: boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle) +Subject: Re: Opel owners? +Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx +Lines: 45 + +In article cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (OrioleFan@uiuc) writes: +>boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle) writes: +> +>>In article cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (OrioleFan@uiuc) writes: +>>>gibbonsa@fraser.sfu.ca (Darren Gibbons) writes: +>>>>I'm looking for information on Opel cars. Now you ask, which model? +>>>>Well, the sad truth is, I'm not entirely sure, but it's a two-seater, +>>>>with roll-over headlights, hard top, and really sporty looking. My +>>>>friend has one sitting in his yard in really nice condition, +>>>>body-wise, but he transmission has seized up on him, so it hasn't run +>>>>for a while. Does anyone have any info on these cars? The engine +>>>>compartment looks really tight to work on, but it is in fine shape and +>>>>I am quite interested in it. +>>>>Thanks! +>>>>Darren Gibbons +>>>>gibbonsa@sfu.ca +>>> +>>> This would be the manta, would it not??? Sold through Buick dealers in the mid '70's as the price leader???? +> +>>Sounds a lot more like an Opel GT to me. I'd guess that this is on the same +>>chassis as the Kadett, rather than the bigger Manta - but I could easily +>>be wrong. I think the later Kadett's were sold here as Buick Opels. +> +>>Craig +> +> I think the Manta is the European name for the ""GT."" I'm pretty sure +Well the European Manta and US GT have entirely different bodies. There is +little or no chance that they are the same. The Manta went through several +generations as the coupe version of the Ascona and was OK in its time. + +>that the only Kadett's sold here were/are the Pontiac LeMans. I think the + +Not true. The Kadett has been in and out of the US market over the years. +The LeMans (old Kadett) is only the latest version. + +Craig +>GT is just an early '70s to mid '70s Manta. + +Different Cars. One looks like a sports-car, the other is a coupe. + +>-- +>Chintan Amin mail: llama@uiuc.edu +>*******SIG UNDER CONSTRUCTION HARD HAT AREA******** + + +";10;True +"From: caj@sei.cmu.edu (Carol Jarosz) +Subject: Re: Radio stations +Organization: The Software Engineering Institute +Lines: 15 + + +In article , +ragraca@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Randy A. Graca) writes: + +|> The Pittsburgh Penguins games used to be +|> broadcast on KDKA 1020, but I don't know whether they will be pre-empted +|> by baseball (and moved to another station) or not. You can try those +|> if the local baseball teams aren't playing at the same time, anyway. +|> +|> --Randy +|> + +The Pens are now being broadcast on 102.5 WDVE. + +Carol +";13;True +"From: jim@rand.org (Jim Gillogly) +Subject: Clipper Chip and crypto key-escrow +Summary: bohica +Keywords: encryption, wiretap, clipper, key-escrow, Mykotronx +Organization: Banzai Institute +Lines: 292 +Nntp-Posting-Host: mycroft.rand.org + +This document is in the anonymous ftp directory at NIST. Looks to me +like the other shoe has dropped. + + Jim Gillogly + Trewesday, 25 Astron S.R. 1993, 17:00 + +------------------- + +Note: This file will also be available via anonymous file +transfer from csrc.ncsl.nist.gov in directory /pub/nistnews and +via the NIST Computer Security BBS at 301-948-5717. + --------------------------------------------------- + + THE WHITE HOUSE + + Office of the Press Secretary + +_________________________________________________________________ + +For Immediate Release April 16, 1993 + + + STATEMENT BY THE PRESS SECRETARY + + +The President today announced a new initiative that will bring +the Federal Government together with industry in a voluntary +program to improve the security and privacy of telephone +communications while meeting the legitimate needs of law +enforcement. + +The initiative will involve the creation of new products to +accelerate the development and use of advanced and secure +telecommunications networks and wireless communications links. + +For too long there has been little or no dialogue between our +private sector and the law enforcement community to resolve the +tension between economic vitality and the real challenges of +protecting Americans. Rather than use technology to accommodate +the sometimes competing interests of economic growth, privacy and +law enforcement, previous policies have pitted government against +industry and the rights of privacy against law enforcement. + +Sophisticated encryption technology has been used for years to +protect electronic funds transfer. It is now being used to +protect electronic mail and computer files. While encryption +technology can help Americans protect business secrets and the +unauthorized release of personal information, it also can be used +by terrorists, drug dealers, and other criminals. + +A state-of-the-art microcircuit called the ""Clipper Chip"" has +been developed by government engineers. The chip represents a +new approach to encryption technology. It can be used in new, +relatively inexpensive encryption devices that can be attached to +an ordinary telephone. It scrambles telephone communications +using an encryption algorithm that is more powerful than many in +commercial use today. + +This new technology will help companies protect proprietary +information, protect the privacy of personal phone conversations +and prevent unauthorized release of data transmitted +electronically. At the same time this technology preserves the +ability of federal, state and local law enforcement agencies to +intercept lawfully the phone conversations of criminals. + +A ""key-escrow"" system will be established to ensure that the +""Clipper Chip"" is used to protect the privacy of law-abiding +Americans. Each device containing the chip will have two unique + + + 2 + + +""keys,"" numbers that will be needed by authorized government +agencies to decode messages encoded by the device. When the +device is manufactured, the two keys will be deposited separately +in two ""key-escrow"" data bases that will be established by the +Attorney General. Access to these keys will be limited to +government officials with legal authorization to conduct a +wiretap. + +The ""Clipper Chip"" technology provides law enforcement with no +new authorities to access the content of the private +conversations of Americans. + +To demonstrate the effectiveness of this new technology, the +Attorney General will soon purchase several thousand of the new +devices. In addition, respected experts from outside the +government will be offered access to the confidential details of +the algorithm to assess its capabilities and publicly report +their findings. + +The chip is an important step in addressing the problem of +encryption's dual-edge sword: encryption helps to protect the +privacy of individuals and industry, but it also can shield +criminals and terrorists. We need the ""Clipper Chip"" and other +approaches that can both provide law-abiding citizens with access +to the encryption they need and prevent criminals from using it +to hide their illegal activities. In order to assess technology +trends and explore new approaches (like the key-escrow system), +the President has directed government agencies to develop a +comprehensive policy on encryption that accommodates: + + -- the privacy of our citizens, including the need to + employ voice or data encryption for business purposes; + + -- the ability of authorized officials to access telephone + calls and data, under proper court or other legal + order, when necessary to protect our citizens; + + -- the effective and timely use of the most modern + technology to build the National Information + Infrastructure needed to promote economic growth and + the competitiveness of American industry in the global + marketplace; and + + -- the need of U.S. companies to manufacture and export + high technology products. + +The President has directed early and frequent consultations with +affected industries, the Congress and groups that advocate the +privacy rights of individuals as policy options are developed. + + + + 3 + +The Administration is committed to working with the private +sector to spur the development of a National Information +Infrastructure which will use new telecommunications and computer +technologies to give Americans unprecedented access to +information. This infrastructure of high-speed networks +(""information superhighways"") will transmit video, images, HDTV +programming, and huge data files as easily as today's telephone +system transmits voice. + +Since encryption technology will play an increasingly important +role in that infrastructure, the Federal Government must act +quickly to develop consistent, comprehensive policies regarding +its use. The Administration is committed to policies that +protect all Americans' right to privacy while also protecting +them from those who break the law. + +Further information is provided in an accompanying fact sheet. +The provisions of the President's directive to acquire the new +encryption technology are also available. + +For additional details, call Mat Heyman, National Institute of +Standards and Technology, (301) 975-2758. + +--------------------------------- + + +QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS ABOUT THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION'S +TELECOMMUNICATIONS INITIATIVE + + + + +Q: Does this approach expand the authority of government + agencies to listen in on phone conversations? + +A: No. ""Clipper Chip"" technology provides law enforcement with + no new authorities to access the content of the private + conversations of Americans. + +Q: Suppose a law enforcement agency is conducting a wiretap on + a drug smuggling ring and intercepts a conversation + encrypted using the device. What would they have to do to + decipher the message? + +A: They would have to obtain legal authorization, normally a + court order, to do the wiretap in the first place. They + would then present documentation of this authorization to + the two entities responsible for safeguarding the keys and + obtain the keys for the device being used by the drug + smugglers. The key is split into two parts, which are + stored separately in order to ensure the security of the key + escrow system. + +Q: Who will run the key-escrow data banks? + +A: The two key-escrow data banks will be run by two independent + entities. At this point, the Department of Justice and the + Administration have yet to determine which agencies will + oversee the key-escrow data banks. + +Q: How strong is the security in the device? How can I be sure + how strong the security is? + +A: This system is more secure than many other voice encryption + systems readily available today. While the algorithm will + remain classified to protect the security of the key escrow + system, we are willing to invite an independent panel of + cryptography experts to evaluate the algorithm to assure all + potential users that there are no unrecognized + vulnerabilities. + +Q: Whose decision was it to propose this product? + +A: The National Security Council, the Justice Department, the + Commerce Department, and other key agencies were involved in + this decision. This approach has been endorsed by the + President, the Vice President, and appropriate Cabinet + officials. + +Q: Who was consulted? The Congress? Industry? + +A: We have on-going discussions with Congress and industry on + encryption issues, and expect those discussions to intensify + as we carry out our review of encryption policy. We have + briefed members of Congress and industry leaders on the + decisions related to this initiative. + +Q: Will the government provide the hardware to manufacturers? + +A: The government designed and developed the key access + encryption microcircuits, but it is not providing the + microcircuits to product manufacturers. Product + manufacturers can acquire the microcircuits from the chip + manufacturer that produces them. + +Q: Who provides the ""Clipper Chip""? + +A: Mykotronx programs it at their facility in Torrance, + California, and will sell the chip to encryption device + manufacturers. The programming function could be licensed + to other vendors in the future. + +Q: How do I buy one of these encryption devices? + +A: We expect several manufacturers to consider incorporating + the ""Clipper Chip"" into their devices. + +Q: If the Administration were unable to find a technological + solution like the one proposed, would the Administration be + willing to use legal remedies to restrict access to more + powerful encryption devices? + +A: This is a fundamental policy question which will be + considered during the broad policy review. The key escrow + mechanism will provide Americans with an encryption product + that is more secure, more convenient, and less expensive + than others readily available today, but it is just one + piece of what must be the comprehensive approach to + encryption technology, which the Administration is + developing. + + The Administration is not saying, ""since encryption + threatens the public safety and effective law enforcement, + we will prohibit it outright"" (as some countries have + effectively done); nor is the U.S. saying that ""every + American, as a matter of right, is entitled to an + unbreakable commercial encryption product."" There is a + false ""tension"" created in the assessment that this issue is + an ""either-or"" proposition. Rather, both concerns can be, + and in fact are, harmoniously balanced through a reasoned, + balanced approach such as is proposed with the ""Clipper + Chip"" and similar encryption techniques. + +Q: What does this decision indicate about how the Clinton + Administration's policy toward encryption will differ from + that of the Bush Administration? + +A: It indicates that we understand the importance of encryption + technology in telecommunications and computing and are + committed to working with industry and public-interest + groups to find innovative ways to protect Americans' + privacy, help businesses to compete, and ensure that law + enforcement agencies have the tools they need to fight crime + and terrorism. + +Q: Will the devices be exportable? Will other devices that use + the government hardware? + +A: Voice encryption devices are subject to export control + requirements. Case-by-case review for each export is + required to ensure appropriate use of these devices. The + same is true for other encryption devices. One of the + attractions of this technology is the protection it can give + to U.S. companies operating at home and abroad. With this + in mind, we expect export licenses will be granted on a + case-by-case basis for U.S. companies seeking to use these + devices to secure their own communications abroad. We plan + to review the possibility of permitting wider exportability + of these products. + + + +-- + Jim Gillogly + Trewesday, 25 Astron S.R. 1993, 17:01 +";16;True +"From: rwert@well.sf.ca.us (Bob Wert) +Subject: Need advice for riding with someone on pillion +Summary: Advice wanted for when I take someone on the back of the moto. +Keywords: advice, pillion, help! +Nntp-Posting-Host: well.sf.ca.us +Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link +Distribution: na +Lines: 22 + +I need some advice on having someone ride pillion with me on my 750 Ninja. +This will be the the first time I've taken anyone for an extended ride +(read: farther than around the block :-). We'll be riding some twisty, +fairly bumpy roads (the Mines Road-Mt.Hamilton Loop for you SF Bay Areans). + +This person is <100 lbs. and fairly small, so I don't see weight as too much +of a problem, but what sort of of advice should I give her before we go? +I want her to hold onto me :-) rather than the grab rail out back, and +I've heard that she should look over my shoulder in the direction we're +turning so she leans *with* me, but what else? Are there traditional +signals for SLOW DOWN!! or GO FASTER!! or I HAFTA GO PEE!! etc.??? + +I really want this to be a positive experience for us both, mainly so that +she'll want to go with me again, so any help will be appreciated... + +Thanks, + -Bob- +-- +Bob Wert rmw@genie.gene.com rwert@well.sf.ca.us +DoD#0302 AMA#510680 '90 Ninja 750R '89 Mustang 5.0LX + ...Seven turns on the highway, Seven rivers to cross, + Sometimes you feel like you can fly away, Sometimes you get lost... +";7;True +"From: robertsa@unix2.tcd.ie (Andrew L. Roberts) +Subject: What does the .bmp format mean? +Nntp-Posting-Host: unix2.tcd.ie +Organization: Trinity College, Dublin +Lines: 7 + +What exactly does the windows bitmap format look like? I mean, how is +the data stored: width, height, no. of colours, bitmap data? I couldn't +find anything in ths user manual, is there any other reference material +which would give me this information? + +Thanks, +Andrew +";6;True +"From: roes@vax.oxford.ac.uk +Subject: Re: AD conversion +Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620 +Lines: 36 + +b-clark@nwu.edu (Brian Clark) writes: + +> In article <1993Apr13.181720.13214@vax.oxford.ac.uk>, roes@vax.oxford.ac.uk +> wrote: +> > +> > I am working a data acquisition and analysis program to collect data +> > from insect sensory organs. +> > +> > (stuff deleted) +> > +> > Another alternative is the use of the sound input port. + +> Can you really make due with the non-existent dynamic range of an 8-bit +> converter, of probably dubious linearity and monotonicity, and perhaps +> AC-coupled as well? + +It clearly depends on the type of questions you are asking but in many +cases it will do fine. The critical information from the neuron is in +the firing frequency (maximum about 100 action potentials per +seconds), and not in the amplitude of the signal or in details of the +signal shape. So the resolution of about 0.4 % you get with an 8 bit +convertor is more then sufficient. + +AC coupling does not have to be a problem either, since in many cases +you are not interested in the DC level. My pre amplifier is AC coupled +also. The critical point is the lowest frequency that will pass. If +the cutoff point is to high, the action potentials will be slightly +distorted. But even that normally does not matter since it is the +occurrence of the spike that is important. + +However, I do want to know what exactly I can expect before I start +battling with the toolbox to get it going. As yet I have no clue were +to start looking for the technical specifications. + +Peter. +roes@vax.oxford.ac.uk +";0;True +"From: jsledd@ssdc.sas.upenn.edu (James Sledd) +Subject: proof of resurection +Organization: Social Science Computing +Lines: 44 + +I have a few minor problems with the article posted as proof of +Christ's resurrection. + +First the scriptural quotations: + +This sort of reasoning is such that if you beleive you are justified, +if not then your beleif is in vain, so you might as well beleive. Most +of these quotations are of people who do beleive. People who would +try to justify their own positions. + +Second the logical proof: + +>quoted text... +> +>From: xx155@yfn.ysu.edu (Family Magazine Sysops) +>Subject: WITNESS & PROOF OF CHRIST'S RESURRECTION +>Date: 11 Apr 93 05:01:19 GMT +> +>[much deleted] +> +> 4. In nearly 20 centuries, no body has ever been +> produced to refute Jesus' assertion that He +> *would indeed* rise from the dead. +> +> 5. The probability of being able to perpetrate such +> a hoax successfully upon the entire world for +> nearly 20 centuries is astronomically negative! +> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +>...end quoted text + + The period of time that has elapsed from the event growing larger +does not increase the odds that a hoax would be discovered. In fact +the longer a hoax is perpetuated the stronger it becomes. + +Finally: + +There is no proof of the resurrection of Christ, except in our spirits +communion with his, and the Father's. It is a matter of FAITH, belief +without logical proof. Incedently one of the largest stumbling blocks for +rational western man, myself included. + +I hope that this is taken in the spirit it was intended and not as a +rejection of the resurrection's occurance. I beleive, but I wanted to point +out the weakness of logical proofs. +";17;True +"From: rlglende@netcom.com (Robert Lewis Glendenning) +Subject: Re: Organized Lobbying for Cryptography +Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) +Lines: 21 + +Generally, an organization has influence in proportion to: + + The narrowness of its objectives + The number of members + The strength of belief of its members + +This is why the pro- and anti-abortion groups are so strong: narrow objectives, +lots of interested members who are real passionate. + +For this reason, mixing with the NRA is probably a bad idea. It diffuses +the interests of both groups. It may well diminish the Passion Index +of the combined organization. It is not clear it would greatly enlarge +the NRA. + +So, I believe a new organization, which may cooperate with NRA where the +two organization's interest coincide, is the optimum strategy. + +lew +-- +Lew Glendenning rlglende@netcom.com +""Perspective is worth 80 IQ points."" Niels Bohr (or somebody like that). +";16;True +"From: ffujita@s.psych.uiuc.edu (Frank Fujita) +Subject: Re: ""Choleric"" and The Great NT/NF Semantic War. +Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana +Lines: 6 + +Also remember that most people map the +sanguine/choleric/melencholic/phlegmatic division onto the extraversion +and neuroticism dimensions (Like Eysenck) and that the MBTI does not +deal with neuroticism (Costa & McCrae). + +Frank Fujita +";4;True +"From: tdawson@llullaillaco.engin.umich.edu (Chris Herringshaw) +Subject: Re: Sun IPX root window display - background picture +Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor +Lines: 15 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: llullaillaco.engin.umich.edu +Keywords: sun ipx background picture +Originator: tdawson@llullaillaco.engin.umich.edu + + +I'm not sure if you got the information you were looking for, so I'll +post it anyway for the general public. To load an image on your root +window add this line to the end of your .xsession file: + + xloadimage -onroot -fullscreen & + +This is assuming of course you have the xloadimage client, and as +for the switches, I think they pretty much explain what is going on. +If you leave out the <&>, the terminal locks till you kill it. +(You already knew that though...) + +Hope this helps. + +Daemon +";1;True +"From: osprey@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Lucas Adamski) +Subject: Fast polygon routine needed +Keywords: polygon, needed +Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign +Lines: 6 + +This may be a fairly routine request on here, but I'm looking for a fast +polygon routine to be used in a 3D game. I have one that works right now, but +its very slow. Could anyone point me to one, pref in ASM that is fairly well +documented and flexible? + Thanx, + //Lucas. +";1;True +"From: hal@cco.caltech.edu (Hal Finney) +Subject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption +Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena +Lines: 23 +Distribution: na +NNTP-Posting-Host: alumni.caltech.edu + +brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton) writes: + +>Their strategy is a business one rather than legal one. They are +>pushing to get a standard in place, a secret standard, and if they +>get it as a standard then they will drive competitors out of the market. +>It will be legal to sell better, untapable encryption that doesn't have +>registered keys, but it will be difficult, and thus not a plan for +>most phone companies. + +If Brad's analysis is correct, it may offer an explanation for why the +encryption algorithm is being kept secret. This will prevent competitors +from coming out with Clipper-compatible phones which lack the government- +installed ""back door."" The strategy Brad describes will only work as long +as the only way to get compatible phones is to have ones with the government +chips. + +(It would be nice, from the point of view of personal privacy, if Brad +turns out to be right. As long as people still have the power to provide +their own encryption in place of or in addition to the Clipper, privacy +is still possible. But the wording of several passages in the announcement +makes me doubt whether this will turn out to be true.) + +Hal Finney +";16;True +"From: dfield@flute.calpoly.edu (InfoSpunj (Dan Field)) +Subject: Can't wear contacts after RK/PRK? +Keywords: radial,keratotomy,contact,lenses +Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo +Lines: 28 + +I love the FAQ. + +The comment about contact lenses not being an option for any remaining +correction after RK and possibly after PRK is interresting. Why is +this? Does anyone know for sure whether this applies to PRK as well? + +Also, why is it possible to get a correction in PRK with involvement of +only about 5% of the corneal depth, while RK is done to a depth of up to +95%? Why such a difference? I thought the proceedures were simmilar +with the exception of a laser being the cutting tool in PRK. I must not +be understanding all of the differences. + +In the FAQ, the vision was considered less clear after the surgery than +with glasses alone. If this is completly attributable to the +intentional slight undercorrection, then it can be compensated for when +necessary with glasses (or contacts, if they CAN be worn afterall!). It +is important to know if that is not the case, however, and some other +consequence of the surgery would often interfere with clear vision. The +first thing that came to my mind was a fogging of the lense, which +glasses couldn't help. + +would not help. + +-- +| Daniel R. Field, AKA InfoSpunj | I'm just a lowly phlebe. | +| dfield@oboe.calpoly.edu | | +| Biochemistry, Biotechnology | I'm at the phlebottom | +| California Polytechnic State U | of the medical totem pole. | +";4;True +"From: neff123@garnet.berkeley.edu (Stephen Kearney) +Subject: Re: Is Microsoft Windows really and Operating system? +Article-I.D.: agate.1pr6rm$t7f +Organization: University of California, Berkeley +Lines: 19 +NNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu + +>Well, you may think that, but you are wrong. + +Ah... The joys of networking. I just hope that you forgot the :-> + +>If you don't like the file manager, DON'T use it! + +I don't. I use NDW. + +>I like the more modular nature of Windoze. + +If you like things to be modular, I think you would love System 7. +Instead of adding a line to your autoexec.bat, you just drop the +icon into the extensions folder. + +>Just because one has had ignorance sold to one by the evil +>fruit empire, one is not forbidden to learn about one's file +>system below the level of the GUI. + +I'm still working on that one :-/ +";6;True +"From: rwf2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ROBERT WILLIAM FUSI) +Subject: Re: I'm getting a car, I need opinions. +Organization: Lehigh University +Lines: 47 + +In article <1qqp2o$5ba@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, cf947@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Chun-H +ung Wan) writes: +> +>In a previous article, ip02@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Danny Phornprapha) says: +> +>>I have $30,000 as my budget. I'm looking for a sports or GT car. +>> +>>What do you think would be the best buy? (I'm looking for specific models) +>> +>>Thanks, +>>Danny +>>-- +>> +>>============================================================================== += +>>= ""Hey! You programmers out there! | Danny Phornprapha += +>>= Please consider this: | ip02@lehigh.edu += +>>= | += +>>= Bugs are another endangered earth | LUCC Student Konsultant += +>>= Species needing your protection. | Work: (215) 758-4141 += +>> +> +>For an all out sports car, I'd go for the RX-7 without the sports +>suspension (which is too stiff.) For a little more practicality and more +>comfort, the Nissan 300ZX Turbo is a good buy. And for a good dose of +>luxury, the Lexus SC300 is perfect (with a manual transmission of course.) +>However, the Toyota Supra is coming out soon and if you like it's looks, +>the performance is supposed to be great, almost race car like. I don't +>particulary like the Mitsubishi 3000GT's or the Dodge Stealths as they are +>too heavy and aren't very nimble handlers for a sports car. +>-- +>A motion picture major at the Brooks Institute of Photography, CA +>Santa Barbara and a foreign student from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. +> +>""The mind is the forerunner of all states."" +> + The only thing about the 300ZX turbo and new Supra is they're about $10K or + more over his budget... +-- + "" Be good, + and you will be lonely"" + Mark Twain +";10;True +"From: apoylis@inode.com +Subject: FAQ on Cyrix 486DLC? +Reply-To: apoylis@inode.com +Distribution: world +Organization: inode BBS, NYC's Best Usenet Access (212-679-9146) +Lines: 9 + +Reply-to: apoylis@inode.com + +Is there a FAQ on Cyrix 486DLC? If I missed it, could anyone please repost +or email it to me? Thanks in advance. + +... Alexander Poylisher, Internet: apoylis@inode.com; FidoNet: 1:2603/106 +--- + þ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 þ + +";5;True +"From: jfb@cci632.cci.com (John Bruno) +Subject: MS-Windows access for the blind? +Organization: [Computer Consoles, Inc., Rochester, NY + +We are developing an MS-Windows based product that uses a full screen window +to display ~24 rows of textual data. Is there any product for Microsoft Windows +that will enable blind individuals to access the data efficiently (quickly) ?? + +Please email responses and I will post a summary to this group. + +Thanks for any help +--- John Bruno + +";6;True +"From: bobs@thnext.mit.edu (Robert Singleton) +Subject: Re: Americans and Evolution +Organization: Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology +Lines: 138 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: thnext.mit.edu + +In article <16BA8C4AC.I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de> +I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau) writes: +> In article <1pq47tINN8lp@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> +> bobs@thnext.mit.edu (Robert Singleton) writes: +> +> (Deletion) +> > +> >I will argue that your latter statement, ""I believe that no gods exist"" +> >does rest upon faith - that is, if you are making a POSITIVE statement +> >that ""no gods exist"" (strong atheism) rather than merely saying I don't +> >know and therefore don't believe in them and don't NOT believe in then +> >(weak atheism). Once again, to not believe in God is different than +> >saying I BELIEVE that God does not exist. I still maintain the +> >position, even after reading the FAQs, that strong atheism requires +> >faith. +> > +> +> No it in the way it is usually used. In my view, you are saying here +> that driving a car requires faith that the car drives. +> + +I'm not saying this at all - it requires no faith on my part to +say the car drives because I've seen it drive - I've done more +than at in fact - I've actually driven it. (now what does require +some faith is the belief that my senses give an accurate representation +of what's out there....) But there is NO evidence - pro or con - +for the existence or non-existence of God (see what I have to +say below on this). + +> For me it is a conclusion, and I have no more faith in it than I +> have in the premises and the argument used. +> + +Sorry if I remain skeptical - I don't believe it's entirely a +conclusion. That you have seen no evidence that there IS a God +is correct - neither have I. But lack of evidence for the existence +of something is in NO WAY evidence for the non-existence of something +(the creationist have a similar mode of argumentation in which if they +disprove evolution the establish creation). You (personally) have never +seen a neutrino before, but they exist. The ""pink unicorn"" analogy breaks +down and is rather naive. I have a scientific theory that explains the +appearance of animal life - evolution. When I draw the conclusion that +""pink unicorns"" don't exist because I haven't seen them, this conclusion +has it's foundation in observation and theory. A ""pink unicorn"", if +it did exist, would be qualitatively similar to other known entities. +That is to say, since there is good evidence that all life on earth has +evolved from ""more primitive"" ancestors these pink unicorns would share +a common anscestory with horses and zebras and such. God, however, +has no such correspondence with anything (IMO). There is no physical +frame work of observation to draw ANY conclusions FROM. + + + +> >But first let me say the following. +> >We might have a language problem here - in regards to ""faith"" and +> >""existence"". I, as a Christian, maintain that God does not exist. +> >To exist means to have being in space and time. God does not HAVE +> >being - God IS Being. Kierkegaard once said that God does not +> >exist, He is eternal. With this said, I feel it's rather pointless +> >to debate the so called ""existence"" of God - and that is not what +> >I'm doing here. I believe that God is the source and ground of +> >being. When you say that ""god does not exist"", I also accept this +> >statement - but we obviously mean two different things by it. However, +> >in what follows I will use the phrase ""the existence of God"" in it's +> >'usual sense' - and this is the sense that I think you are using it. +> >I would like a clarification upon what you mean by ""the existence of +> >God"". +> > +> +> No, that's a word game. + +I disagree with you profoundly on this. I haven't defined God as +existence - in fact, I haven't defined God. But this might be +getting off the subject - although if you think it's relevant +we can come back to it. + +> +> Further, saying god is existence is either a waste of time, existence is +> already used and there is no need to replace it by god, or you are +> implying more with it, in which case your definition and your argument +> so far are incomplete, making it a fallacy. +> + +You are using wrong categories here - or perhaps you misunderstand +what I'm saying. I'm making no argument what so ever and offering no +definition so there is no fallacy. I'm not trying to convince you of +anything. *I* Believe - and that rests upon Faith. And it is inappropriate +to apply the category of logic in this realm (unless someone tells you +that they can logically prove God or that they have ""evidence"" or ..., +then the use of logic to disprove their claims if fine and necessary). + +BTW, an incomplete argument is not a fallacy - some things are not +EVEN wrong. + +> +> (Deletion) +> >One can never prove that God does or does not exist. When you say +> >that you believe God does not exist, and that this is an opinion +> >""based upon observation"", I will have to ask ""what observtions are +> >you refering to?"" There are NO observations - pro or con - that +> >are valid here in establishing a POSITIVE belief. +> (Deletion) +> +> Where does that follow? Aren't observations based on the assumption +> that something exists? +> + +I don't follow you here. Certainly one can make observations of +things that they didn't know existed. I still maintain that one +cannot use observation to infer that ""God does not exist"". Such +a positive assertion requires a leap. + + + +> And wouldn't you say there is a level of definition that the assumption +> ""god is"" is meaningful. If not, I would reject that concept anyway. +> +> So, where is your evidence for that ""god is"" is meaningful at some +> level? + +Once again you seem to completely misunderstand me. I have no +EVIDENCE that ""'god is' is meaningful"" at ANY level. Maybe such +a response as you gave just comes naturally to you because so +many people try to run their own private conception of God down +your throat. I, however, am not doing this. I am arguing one, and +only one, thing - that to make a positive assertion about something +for which there can in principle be no evidence for or against +requires a leap - it requires faith. I am, as you would say, a +""theist""; however, there is a form of atheism that I can respect - +but it must be founded upon honesty. + + + +> Benedikt + +-- +bob singleton +bobs@thnext.mit.edu +";9;True +"From: walter@psg.com (Walter Morales) +Subject: Nitendo game wanted +Organization: Pacific Systems Group, Portland Oregon US +Lines: 24 + +Hi, +I am one those uncles that try to please my nephews whenever possible, +so.. they have asked me to find them some Nitendo games, no, it is +not for the super nitendo.. it is for whatever model came prior to +that. + +Since they are overseas, I will first ask them if they already have the +games you would have to offer me. Please send me a list, or whatever and +the price you are asking so I can send to my nephews and find out what +they have and what they want.. so bare with me, I will respond, but it +will take me a while. + +Thanks, +Walter +walter@psg.com + + +Please respond directly. + +-- + ______________________________________________________________________ + / Portland, Oregon USA \ + | WALTER T. MORALES 45 31 25 N 122 40 30 W | + | internet: walter@rain.com Pop. 366383 | +";8;True +"From: s106275@ee.tut.fi (Anssi Saari) +Subject: Re: Soundblaster IRQ and Port settings +Organization: Tampere University of Technology, Computing Centre +Lines: 16 +Distribution: inet +NNTP-Posting-Host: ee.tut.fi + +In <1993Apr16.105809.22218@walter.cray.com> huot@cray.com (Tom Huot) writes: + +>I would also like an explanation of this. If anyone can explain +>why the SB Pro and LPT 1 can share an IRQ, please do so. + +I think it's simply because DOS doesn't use the IRQ for anything. OS/2 does, +so with that you can't share the IRQ. + +Anssi + + +-- +Anssi Saari s106275@ee.tut.fi +Tampere University of Technology +Finland, Europe + +";5;True +"From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) +Subject: Re: EIGHT MYTHS about National Health Insurance (Pt II) +Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu +Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) +Organization: PhDs In The Hall +Lines: 134 + +harelb@math.cornell.edu (misc.activism.progressive co-moderator) writes: +>FCUS/HEALTH: EIGHT MYTHS about National Health Insurance (Pt II) +> +> An office visit that's $52 in Seattle is $18 in Vancouver +> (Canada). That's because, among other things, they've given their +> government power to bargain with doctors and hospitals over fees. + +The difference in the litigation environment is reflected in the fees. + +Lack of defensive medicine and near-absence of malpractice is really +why we spend less using the most expensive approach of pure insurance +in Canada (along with France and Germany) without HMO's --- the NYT +has admitted that malpractice insurance fees are an order of magnitude +lower in Canada but doctors take-home pay is almost equal to American +doctors; also, minimal bureaucracy 'cos the system is so-o-o simple +(early March). + +Part of the deal for using the all-insurance approach like the French +and Germans do (hey, why don't they criticize France and Germany? Is +it because too many people take French and German in college to make +the accusations stick? (-;) was to preserve the doctors independance. +Since the provincial wings of the CMA are the ones that go to bat when +the fee schedule hikes are presented, the politically-bent doctors +were just cackling when they realized the CMA would grow in strength +rather than diminish, especially when unopposed unlike in socialized +medicine approaches like Britain's National Health Service. + +>""`You've got to remember, you've got a waiting list as well, but it's +>not as obvious. If you're poor and you don't have insurance, you don't +> go to a surgeon. In the States you ration by ability to pay.'"" + +For non-life threatening things, market arguments adequately cover why +certain procedures are in scarcer demand. I have MD friends who can't +make a living as specialists back in Manitoba not due to the insurance +rates but because they won't get enough customers -- the CMA medical +monopoly's grip on doctors licencing (as in the US) aside -- so they +must move to larger places. However, this does not refute debunking +of waiting lines for urgent AND routine care, as has been done in the +U.S. by Consumers Reports, health policy studies cited by Prof. Dennis +E. Shea on USENET, CNN, NYT, etc. + +Doug Fierro has posted a NYT article from 3 weeks ago about Canada's +health insurance approach, on Talk.politics.medicine. There is one +small error in the article: not all of our hospitals are private. + +>WOULDN'T NATIONAL HEALTH INSURANCE MEAN THAT AMERICANS WHO ARE NOW +>FULLY INSURED MIGHT HAVE TO SETTLE FOR LESS? +> +>In Canada, provincial insurance covers all health costs except dental +>care, eyeglasses, prescription drugs, ambulance service, and private +>hospital rooms, -- so many Canadians do end up buying some private +>insurance. A policy to cover all of these things runs about #40 to $40 +>a month. + +Of course, the one thing to note is that in the Canada/France/Germany +case, private insurance *offloaded* the basic coverage to the public +sector. They realized they were keeping low-risk/high-profit extra +insurance for things like private/semi-private rooms (vs. ward +accomodation), dental, glasses, etc. for corporate or personal +benefits, they'll have nothing to do with you if you want to be +covered for basic care. + +At that point, they wouldn't even consider a ""voucher"" approach +to broker the universal coverage and sell policies to make up +the difference in the federal guidelines and market stuff. + +>****************************************************************** +> +>WOULDN'T FREE CARE ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO RUN TO THE DOCTOR FOR EVERY +>ACHE AND PAIN? +> +>People who get free treatment *do* go to the doctor and hospital about +>a third more often than those who have to pay a share of their medical +>bills. +> +>Still, Canadians -- who pay nothing at the doctor's -- have a lower +>per-person health bill than we do. + +It is ""free"" in that there are no deductibles nor copayments (two +things which I advocate to make the Canadian insurance look more like +real health insurance -- which actually it is). I know that when +working in Alberta, Ontario and Quebec, I was aware that I was paying +for health insurance - e.g., in Toronto, OHIP fees were listed on my +pay stub; Manitoba did not collect at paycheque time, but only +annually at income tax time (built into the tax rate). Only fiscal +naifs will proclaim that it's free, along with the Canadian Left for +that is part of their brainwashing agenda. + +The French do have copayments, though. France Magazine's Summer +1992 edition has a fantastic presentation of their basic insurance +coverage, including a sample chart of copayment percentages. For +1-30 days, you're covered for 80% of the public hospital rate, 100% +afterward. With extra private insurance, you can get into a private +hospital and be covered for any differences beyond the public hospital +rate. The public insurance covers 100% beyond 30 days, or the same +cash amount for a private hospital and the difference is paid +out-of-pocket or according to your supplementary private insurance. +Over 2/3rds of French have some form of extra private insurance. So, +the other 30% of health costs in Europe are out of private funds, not +gleaned from other taxes. The GDP figures are combined public and +private expenditures for total outlay using the same methods that +yield the 13-14% figure for the U.S. + +>ISN'T THE PRIVATE HEALTH INSURANCE INDUSTRY JUST TOO BIG +>AND POWERFUL TO KILL? +> +>Dismantling the health segment of our insurance industry would be +>""politically thorny,"" in the quiet words of one advocate for a +>national plan. Some 1,200 firms now sell more than $192 billion in +>health insurance. They'd put up a hard fight. Not only has the industry +>grown eightfold since Canada shut down its own health insurers, but +>our government leaves politicians more open to lobbyists than does +>Canada's parliamentary system. + +Health insurance does exist in Canada and in Western Europe, its +just that it doesn't cover basic care. You can opt out in Canada +and Germany, but you'll have to go uninsured as a result because +there are too few other people that do so --- i.e., no market. + +When private insurance realized how much money they'd make without the +risks involved in basic insurance (e.g., neurosurgery) versus deluxe +amenities (e.g., having to call Granada TV to replace a rental set on +the fritz in someone's private hospital room), they started to pat +themselves on the back for their social responsibility. In Quebec +last spring, a consortium of private insurers publicly warned against +any thoughts of privatizing routine, low cost parts of that province's +public health insurance plan. + +gld +-- +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ +Gary L. Dare +> gld@columbia.EDU GO Winnipeg Jets GO!!! +> gld@cunixc.BITNET Selanne + Domi ==> Stanley +";18;True +"From: ethridge@crchh403 (Allen Ethridge) +Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. +Nntp-Posting-Host: crchh403 +Organization: BNR, Inc. +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] +Lines: 19 + +Amanda Walker (amanda@intercon.com) wrote: +: uni@acs.bu.edu (Shaen Bernhardt) writes: +: [deletions] +: +: > How can you reconcile the administrations self proclaimed purpose of +: > providing law enforcement with access to encrypted data without making +: > the clipper system the only crypto available in the U.S... ? +: +: The Second and Fourth Amendments do come to mind. +: + +I think i heard someplace (misc.legal?, comp.org.eff.talk?) that the courts +have pretty much eliminated the fourth amendment already. + +-- +allen@well.sf.ca.us Words got me the wound +ethridge@bnr.ca and will get me well, +my opinions are my own if you believe it. + -- Jim Morrison +";16;True +"From: kudla@acm.rpi.edu (Robert Kudla) +Subject: Re: Can I Change ""Licensed To"" Data in Windows 3.1? +Nntp-Posting-Host: hermes.acm.rpi.edu +Lines: 65 + +In <0096B130.473B17C0@vms.csd.mu.edu> 2a42dubinski@vms.csd.mu.edu writes: +> ahh, yes, this is a fun topic. No, once the name is incribed on the +>disk, that is it, it is encoded. Not even a HEX editor will find it. You can + +But a disk compare utility (old versus new) will. And Windows 3.1 is +also flexible enough at install time that you can copy all the files +onto your hard disk, which greatly speeds things up and makes them +less annoying, if you can spare the 7 or so compressed megs. + +>write over the ""Licensed to:"", but you can't change the name underneth it. I +>think if you wish to change this you would have to be a pirate, and we're not +>going to promote that here. + +No, we're not. But we're also not going to promote pandering to +corporate paranoia when the real issue is convenience. I don't *like* +dealing with floppies. Personally, I have no use for changing the +registration info, but I see it as a valid need, and one that ought to +be solved using a quick little utility rather than a half-hour +reinstall that's just about guaranteed to mess up your settings in one +way or another. + +So, while I'm not going to put much time into it myself, here's the +procedure for getting on your way to finding the encoded information: + +1. Copy all your Windows disks into the directory from which you want +to install it. I've been using c:\WINSTALL myself. + +2. From there, copy that directory to something like c:\WINORIG. + +3. Install from c:\winstall. + +4. comp the two directories to determine changes. + i.e., comp *.* \winorig\*.* >\report.txt + +5. Look in the report file for the file(s) that change. Assuming +they didn't cover themselves covering their own tracks, at least one +file should have a difference noted at a particular offset. Locate +said offset in the original directory and see what's there using a hex +editor, and do the same for the modified one. + +6. You're on your own as far as breaking the code goes; I don't +really do cryptography. It's probably just an xor key or something; I +think MS is more concerned with Joe Schmoe at the office personalizing +his copy than with ""real pirates"" who will probably just disassemble +the damned thing anyway. This technique should work with just about +any obnoxious corporate product that tries to write to the original +floppies when you install; in some extreme cases you may not be able +to back the floppies up to hard disk, and will be stuck doing a +compare on floppies (Lotus stuff is probably like that). + +As I noted before, if you can afford the space on the hard disk, and +don't do much in the way of customization, reinstalling from one +directory to another may be less arduous. Doing some of the stuff +I've mentioned here may well void your license with Microsoft, as if +they'd ever find out. If you aren't careful with the disk editor, you +could also mung something important... duh. I guess that's a +disclaimer. + +Have at it.... + +Rob +-- +Rob kudla@acm.rpi.edu Keywords - Oldfield Jane's Leather Yes Win3.1 Phish +light blue right Bondage r.e.m. DTP Steely Dan DS9 FNM OWL Genesis In the +spaceship, the silver spaceship, the lion takes control..... +";6;True +"From: cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) +Subject: Re: New Study Out On Gay Percentage +Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA +Lines: 21 + +In article <1993Apr17.022222.28105@news.cs.brandeis.edu>, st923336@pip.cc.brandeis.edu (BLORT! eeeep! Hwaaah.) writes: +# Actually, I was rather surprised to see an article on this subject +# (i.e. the ""new, inproved"" survey saying that roughly 1% of men are gay) +# on the front page of The New York _Times_ recently (I think it was +# on Thurs, 15 April). The headline was something to the effect of +# ""New Survey Finds 1% of Men Are Gay"" +# +# I was shocked, not because the New York _Times_ was running a story +# on a sex survey (although that was part of it), but because they thought +# that this news was actually important enough to warrant front page space. +# I mean, how many people actually CARE how many people are gay (as long as +# you know how to find/avoid them if you want to)? I don't. + +If you don't care, why was so much effort put into promoting the +10% lie? Because it was important to scare politicians into +obedience. + +# -Matt +-- +Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer My opinions, all mine! +Relations between people to be by mutual consent, or not at all. +";18;True +"From: pmhudepo@cs.vu.nl (Hudepohl PMJ) +Subject: Re: Windows hangs on 486DX33??? +Organization: Fac. Wiskunde & Informatica, VU, Amsterdam +Lines: 49 + +wlieftin@cs.vu.nl (Liefting W) writes: +: Hello all you windows freaks out there. +: +: I bought Windows 3.1 (dutch version) some time ago, and run it on a +: 286. I recently upgraded my computer to a 486DX33, 256K cache, 4M memory, +: 212M Maxtor HD. Works real fine, but not with windows. +: +: When playing Patience (SOL) or minesweeper, suddenly the system hangs: +: - I just can't move my mouse anymore. +: or +: - Screen goes blank, nothing further +: or +: - Screen goes blank, computer seems to reboot, but stops before reaching +: the end of the memory test. +: +: Once (or maybe even twice) I got a message about some illegal kernel call +: or something (accompanied by a hex adress) and a close-button. When pressing +: it, the application wouldn't close, though. +: +: I haven't experienced this problem with other programs than these, but that's +: mainly because I haven't really used other programs. I suspect them to hang +: too. +: +: Anything known about this problem. (Or, better, any patches available?) +: +: +: Oh, forgot to tell, if, in CMOS RAM, I make the computer faster (higher +: bus speed, less wait states, enable both caches etc), the crash comes +: faster (after 10 min. or so). If I deliberately slow the system down +: (slow bus speed, wait states, disable internal/external cache, no +: shadowing) the crash comes later, but comes. +: +: Hope anyone can help. +: +: Wouter. +: +: + +Hi, + +I got a problem too, with a 486DX2-66 VLB, 4 Mb RAM, 170Mb disk. +Sometimes, when I switch on the computer, it starts Windows (3.1 Dutch) +Windows switches to 1024x768, switches back to text-mode and exits +to DOS. After one or two resets, the system works fine... + +Thanks +Patrick +VU Amsterdam + +";6;True +"From: wil@shell.portal.com (Ville V Walveranta) +Subject: Re: Digitizing tablet questions +Nntp-Posting-Host: jobe +Organization: Portal Communications Company +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] +Lines: 15 + +Rithea Hong (r0h7630@tamuts.tamu.edu) wrote: +: I'm in the market for all small (12x12 or so) digitizing tablet and would +: like any comments. The main names I see are Calcomp, Summagraphics, and +: Kurta. What are the major differences? Any particular preference? Also +: what should I look for and what should I avoid? Thanks for any input +: you can provide. + + +: Rithea Hong +: (r0h7630@tamuts.tamu.edu) +-- + * Ville V. Walveranta Tel./Fax....: (510) 420-0729 **** + ** 96 Linda Ave., Apt. #5 From Finland: 990-1-510-420-0729 *** + *** Oakland, CA 94611-4838 (FAXes automatically recognized) ** + **** USA Email.......: wil@shell.portal.com * +";5;True +"From: stamber@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Kevin L. Stamber) +Subject: Re: How difficult is it to get Penguin tickets? +Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network +Lines: 27 + +In article <1993Apr18.201811.28965@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, dmoney@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dean R Money) writes: +> The subject line says it all. Is it terribly difficult to get tickets +> to Penguins games, especially now that they are in the playoffs? Would +> it be easy to find scalpers outside of the Igloo selling tickets? +> +> Dean Money +> dmoney@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu + + Here is my traditional experience with tickets, playoffs and otherwise, +at the Civic Arena. + + Scalping is illegal but nonetheless present outside the Arena. Best +strategy, given that you don't mind missing the Anthem (which is OK if B.E. +Taylor decides to come back ever again :) ) is to wait until 7:40 or 7:45, +when the game is rolling; the scalpers are at this point desperate to sell +and will reduce to near or at face value to get rid of their tickets. + + Playoffs are a little different in that good seats will go early on; +what's left at 7:45 may be nosebleed material (D, E sections). + +Others can add on their opinions as well. + +Kevin L. Stamber +Purdue University +PENGUINS 6 DEVILS 3 -- Pens lead series 1 game to none + + +";13;True +"From: rdb1@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (ronald.j.deblock..jr) +Subject: Re: Changing oil by self. +Organization: AT&T +Distribution: usa +Keywords: n +Lines: 19 + +In article <1993Apr14.171718.18852@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> sheinfel@ssd.comm.mot.com (Aviad Sheinfeld) writes: +> +>> Do you think I can use a electric drill( change to a suitable +>>bit ) to turn it out? If I can succeed, can I re-tighten it not too +>>tight, is it safe without oil leak? +> +>Tighten the bolt to the specified torque in your service manual. That +>way it won't leak, strip, break, etc. (hopefully :-) ) +>> +>>Thank you very much in advance------ Winson +> +>Aviad + +You can avoid these problems entirely by installing an oil drain valve in +place of the bolt. I have one on both of my cars. There have been no +leaks in 210,000 miles (combined miles on both cars). +-- +Ron DeBlock rdb1@homxb.att.com (that's a number 1 in rdb1, not letter l) +AT&T Bell Labs Somerset, NJ USA +";10;True +"From: klute@tommy.informatik.uni-dortmund.de (Rainer Klute) +Subject: Re: imake - help needed +Organization: CS Department, Dortmund University, Germany +Lines: 18 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: tommy.informatik.uni-dortmund.de + +In article <1993Apr20.101306.21536@def.bae.co.uk>, paul@def.bae.co.uk (Paul +Byrne) writes: +|> Can someone please give me some pointers to setting up imake in a SUN +|> OPENWINDOWS +|> enviornment ? I've checked through all the documentation but can not +|> find any clues. + +Sun's OpenWindows imake is broken. I suggest installing imake-pure, MIT's +X11R5 imake. You can get it from ftp.germany.eu.net in file +/pub/X11/misc/imake/imake-pure.tar.Z (117807 Byte). + +-- + Dipl.-Inform. Rainer Klute I R B : immer richtig beraten + Univ. Dortmund, IRB + Postfach 500500 |)|/ Tel.: +49 231 755-4663 +D-W4600 Dortmund 50 |\|\ Fax : +49 231 755-2386 + + new address after June 30th: Univ. Dortmund, D-44221 Dortmund +";12;True +"From: km@ky3b.pgh.pa.us (Ken Mitchum) +Subject: Re: tuberculosis +Organization: KY3B - Vax Pittsburgh, PA +Lines: 19 + +In article <1993Mar25.085526.914@news.wesleyan.edu>, RGINZBERG@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Ruth Ginzberg) writes: +|> +|> But I'll be damned, his ""rights"" to be sick & to fail to treat his disease & to +|> spread it all over the place were, indeed preserved. Happy? + +Several years ago I tried to commit a patient who was growing Salmonella out of his +stool, blood, and an open ulcer for treatment. The idea was that the guy was a +walking public health risk, and that forcing him to receive IV antibiotics for +a few days was in the public interest. I will make a long story short by saying +that the judge laughed at my idea, yelled at me for wasting his time, and let +the guy go. + +I found out that tuberculosis appears to be the only MEDICAL (as oppsed to psychiatric) +condition that one can be committed for, and this is because very specific laws were +enacted many years ago regarding tb. I am certain these vary from state to state. + +Any legal experts out there to help us on this? + +-km +";4;True +"From: e8l6@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (Rocket) +Subject: NHL Final point standings +Organization: University of New Brunswick +Distribution: rec.sport.hockey +Lines: 694 + + + Individual leaders by total points (Final standings) + NOTE: Games played and points per games not accurate !! + + Player Team GP G A Pts ppg Prj PIM +/- + + M.Lemieux PIT 59 69 91 160 2.71 160 38 53 + LaFontaine BUF 82 53 95 148 1.80 148 63 13 + Oates BOS 83 45 97 142 1.71 142 32 12 + Yzerman DET 83 58 79 137 1.65 137 44 33 + Turgeon NYI 80 58 74 132 1.65 132 26 -2 + Selanne WIN 82 76 56 132 1.61 132 45 6 + Mogilny BUF 75 76 51 127 1.69 127 40 9 + Gilmour TOR 81 32 95 127 1.57 127 96 32 + Robitaille LA 82 63 62 125 1.52 127 100 16 + Recchi PHI 81 53 70 123 1.52 123 95 -2 + Sundin QUE 79 47 67 114 1.44 114 96 19 + Stevens PIT 71 55 57 112 1.58 112 169 16 + Bure VAN 82 60 50 110 1.34 110 67 37 + Tocchet PIT 79 48 61 109 1.38 109 240 28 + Roenick CHI 82 50 57 107 1.30 107 82 15 + Janney STL 82 24 82 106 1.29 106 12 1 + Sakic QUE 77 48 57 105 1.36 105 40 -4 + Juneau BOS 83 32 70 102 1.23 102 33 21 + Hull STL 78 54 47 101 1.29 101 41 -21 + Andreychuk TOR 81 55 45 100 1.23 100 56 4 + Fleury CAL 82 34 66 100 1.22 100 88 15 + Francis PIT 83 24 76 100 1.20 100 68 6 + Housley WIN 78 18 79 97 1.24 97 52 -13 + Ciccarelli DET 81 41 56 97 1.20 97 81 12 + Damphousse MON 82 39 58 97 1.18 97 96 5 + Hawerchuk BUF 79 16 80 96 1.22 96 48 -14 + Shanahan STL 69 51 43 94 1.36 94 168 9 + Muller MON 79 37 57 94 1.19 94 75 9 + Jagr PIT 80 34 60 94 1.18 94 69 31 + Modano MIN 80 33 60 93 1.16 93 81 -6 + Messier NYR 72 25 66 91 1.26 91 70 -3 + Sanderson HAR 79 46 43 89 1.13 89 28 -24 + Reichel CAL 78 40 48 88 1.13 88 54 23 + Bellows MON 80 40 48 88 1.10 88 42 4 + Fedorov DET 72 34 53 87 1.21 87 72 33 + Thomas NYI 76 37 50 87 1.14 87 109 0 + Coffey DET 79 12 75 87 1.10 87 77 16 + Kurri LA 81 27 60 87 1.07 88 38 20 + Bradley TB 78 42 44 86 1.10 86 90 -22 + Brind'Amour PHI 78 37 49 86 1.10 86 87 -9 + Ronning VAN 77 29 56 85 1.10 85 30 16 + Bondra WAS 80 37 48 85 1.06 85 70 3 + Cassels HAR 81 21 64 85 1.05 85 57 -15 + Murphy PIT 82 22 62 84 1.02 84 73 42 + Bourque BOS 78 19 63 82 1.05 82 40 38 + Granato LA 79 37 45 82 1.04 83 165 3 + Verbeek HAR 81 39 43 82 1.01 82 180 -11 + Ridley WAS 81 26 56 82 1.01 82 38 4 + Duchesne QUE 81 20 62 82 1.01 82 57 15 + C.Lemieux NJ 75 30 51 81 1.08 81 149 0 + Suter CAL 80 23 58 81 1.01 81 112 -1 + Lebeau MON 69 31 49 80 1.16 80 20 23 + Roberts CAL 57 38 41 79 1.39 79 172 31 + Semak NJ 80 37 42 79 0.99 79 70 22 + Hatcher WAS 80 34 45 79 0.99 79 110 -12 + D.Hunter WAS 81 20 59 79 0.98 79 194 2 + Courtnall MIN 82 36 43 79 0.96 79 49 -2 + Brown STL 69 25 53 78 1.13 78 56 -4 + Ricci QUE 76 27 51 78 1.03 78 121 9 + Kisio SJ 77 26 52 78 1.01 78 90 -15 + Craven VAN 76 25 52 77 1.01 77 30 0 + G.Courtnall VAN 82 31 46 77 0.94 77 167 23 + Nolan QUE 72 36 40 76 1.06 76 185 -6 + King NYI 74 38 38 76 1.03 76 45 -1 + Amonte NYR 80 33 43 76 0.95 76 47 0 + Gagner MIN 82 33 43 76 0.93 76 141 -15 + Lindros PHI 58 41 34 75 1.29 75 143 25 + Hogue NYI 67 33 42 75 1.12 75 106 6 + Nieuwendyk CAL 77 38 37 75 0.97 75 52 8 + Pivonka WAS 66 21 53 74 1.12 74 51 12 + Borschevsky TOR 76 34 40 74 0.97 74 26 32 + Dahlen MIN 81 35 39 74 0.91 74 6 -18 + Richer NJ 76 38 35 73 0.96 73 44 0 + Emerson STL 80 22 51 73 0.91 73 60 -1 + Nedved VAN 82 38 35 73 0.89 73 94 18 + Chelios CHI 82 15 58 73 0.89 73 282 13 + Carson LA 84 37 36 73 0.87 74 30 2 + Zhamnov WIN 66 25 47 72 1.09 72 58 5 + Kvartalnov BOS 72 30 42 72 1.00 72 14 9 + Steen WIN 78 22 50 72 0.92 72 75 -8 + Linden VAN 82 33 39 72 0.88 72 60 15 + Mullen PIT 71 33 37 70 0.99 70 12 21 + Larmer CHI 82 35 35 70 0.85 70 48 22 + Donnelly LA 82 29 40 69 0.84 70 45 18 + Kovalenko QUE 80 27 41 68 0.85 68 57 10 + Gartner NYR 81 45 23 68 0.84 68 55 -2 + Khristich WAS 61 31 36 67 1.10 67 26 26 + Sheppard DET 70 32 34 66 0.94 66 29 7 + Garpenlov SJ 78 22 44 66 0.85 66 56 -25 + Iafrate WAS 81 25 41 66 0.81 66 169 15 + Gretzky LA 43 16 49 65 1.51 67 6 6 + Zalapski HAR 80 14 51 65 0.81 65 86 -32 + Graves NYR 81 36 29 65 0.80 65 148 -4 + Anderson TOR 74 21 43 64 0.86 64 117 19 + Zelepukin NJ 76 23 41 64 0.84 64 66 16 + MacIver OTT 78 17 46 63 0.81 63 80 -42 + Dineen PHI 80 35 28 63 0.79 63 199 11 + Chiasson DET 78 12 50 62 0.79 62 151 15 + Ysebaert DET 79 34 28 62 0.78 62 42 19 + Galley PHI 80 13 49 62 0.78 62 98 14 + McEachern PIT 83 28 33 61 0.73 61 46 21 + Nicholls NJ 67 13 47 60 0.90 60 80 -13 + Keane MON 75 15 45 60 0.80 60 93 28 + Flatley NYI 77 13 47 60 0.78 60 61 3 + S.Young QUE 81 30 30 60 0.74 60 20 4 + Shannon WIN 82 20 40 60 0.73 60 91 -4 + Fedyk PHI 74 21 38 59 0.80 59 48 14 + Blake LA 76 16 43 59 0.78 60 152 18 + Olausson WIN 66 16 41 57 0.86 57 22 -5 + Makarov CAL 70 18 39 57 0.81 57 40 0 + Smith CHI 76 10 47 57 0.75 57 212 13 + Elynuik WAS 77 22 35 57 0.74 57 66 2 + Stevens NJ 79 12 45 57 0.72 57 116 16 + Adams VAN 51 25 31 56 1.10 56 14 33 + Tucker TB 76 17 39 56 0.74 56 69 -10 + MacInnis CAL 48 11 43 54 1.13 54 59 15 + Sutter CHI 63 20 34 54 0.86 54 65 9 + Bodger BUF 80 9 45 54 0.68 54 87 14 + Nemchinov NYR 81 23 31 54 0.67 54 34 15 + Driver NJ 81 14 40 54 0.67 54 64 -9 + Ruuttu CHI 82 17 37 54 0.66 54 134 14 + Yake HAR 63 22 31 53 0.84 53 44 5 + Turcotte NYR 68 25 28 53 0.78 53 40 -2 + Sandstrom LA 37 25 27 52 1.41 53 51 11 + Malakhov NYI 61 14 38 52 0.85 52 59 14 + Ward VAN 68 22 30 52 0.76 52 82 32 + Otto CAL 74 19 33 52 0.70 52 150 2 + Kontos TB 66 27 24 51 0.77 51 12 -7 + Leach BOS 78 26 25 51 0.65 51 126 -6 + Poulin HAR 78 20 31 51 0.65 51 37 -19 + Tkachuk WIN 81 28 23 51 0.63 51 199 -14 + Savard MON 62 16 34 50 0.81 50 90 2 + Norton NYI 63 12 38 50 0.79 50 45 -6 + Cullen TOR 64 18 32 50 0.78 50 109 -23 + Cote WAS 74 21 29 50 0.68 50 34 28 + Eklund PHI 52 11 38 49 0.94 49 16 8 + Olczyk NYR 68 21 28 49 0.72 49 52 -1 + Semenov VAN 74 12 37 49 0.66 49 32 16 + Davydov WIN 77 28 21 49 0.64 49 64 -2 + Miller STL 80 24 25 49 0.61 49 96 0 + Poulin BOS 83 16 33 49 0.59 49 62 30 + Klima EDM 66 32 16 48 0.73 48 98 -15 + Dionne MON 73 20 28 48 0.66 48 55 6 + Baker OTT 74 19 29 48 0.65 48 52 -21 + Rucinsky QUE 76 18 30 48 0.63 48 51 14 + Weight EDM 76 17 31 48 0.63 48 65 5 + Zhitnik LA 76 12 36 48 0.63 49 78 -2 + MacLean NJ 78 24 24 48 0.62 48 100 -7 + Corson EDM 78 16 31 47 0.60 47 207 -16 + Sweeney BUF 79 21 26 47 0.59 47 118 4 + Simpson EDM 60 24 22 46 0.77 46 36 -14 + Hawgood PHI 66 11 35 46 0.70 46 68 -9 + Johansson WAS 74 7 38 45 0.61 45 54 0 + Miller WAS 81 18 27 45 0.56 45 32 -1 + Manson EDM 81 15 30 45 0.56 45 210 -26 + Desjardins MON 81 13 32 45 0.56 45 98 19 + Schneider MON 58 13 31 44 0.76 44 89 9 + Goulet CHI 63 23 21 44 0.70 44 41 10 + Leclair MON 70 19 25 44 0.63 44 33 11 + Drake DET 71 18 26 44 0.62 44 91 14 + Lumme VAN 73 8 36 44 0.60 44 55 29 + Gaudreau SJ 58 23 20 43 0.74 43 18 -17 + Gill TOR 68 11 32 43 0.63 43 64 4 + Turgeon OTT 70 25 18 43 0.61 43 104 -26 + Probert DET 79 14 29 43 0.54 43 292 -9 + Wood BUF 80 18 25 43 0.54 43 77 7 + Ranheim CAL 82 21 22 43 0.52 43 26 -4 + Zamuner TB 82 15 28 43 0.52 43 72 -25 + Tinordi MIN 69 15 27 42 0.61 42 157 -1 + Paslawski CAL 71 18 24 42 0.59 42 12 0 + Ruzicka BOS 60 19 22 41 0.68 41 38 -6 + Elik EDM 60 14 27 41 0.68 41 56 -4 + Kudelski OTT 61 24 17 41 0.67 41 28 -25 + McSorley LA 79 15 26 41 0.52 42 393 0 + Shaw OTT 79 7 34 41 0.52 41 34 -47 + Lidstrom DET 83 7 34 41 0.49 41 28 7 + Stastny NJ 60 17 23 40 0.67 40 20 -3 + Ellett TOR 68 6 34 40 0.59 40 46 17 + Tikkanen NYR 78 16 24 40 0.51 40 94 -22 + Niedermayer NJ 78 11 29 40 0.51 40 47 8 + Racine DET 79 9 31 40 0.51 40 80 8 + McPhee MIN 82 18 22 40 0.49 40 44 -4 + Millen LA 40 23 16 39 0.98 40 42 15 + Chambers TB 53 10 29 39 0.74 39 34 -23 + Holik NJ 59 20 19 39 0.66 39 72 -2 + Clark TOR 65 17 22 39 0.60 39 187 3 + Khmylev BUF 66 20 19 39 0.59 39 26 6 + Creighton TB 81 19 20 39 0.48 39 110 -21 + Krushelnyski TOR 82 19 20 39 0.48 39 60 3 + 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0.41 34 66 34 + Nylander HAR 56 11 22 33 0.59 33 36 -5 + Beranek PHI 63 15 18 33 0.52 33 78 -6 + Wesley BOS 64 8 25 33 0.52 33 47 -2 + Matteau CHI 77 15 18 33 0.43 33 96 6 + Broten MIN 80 12 21 33 0.41 33 22 7 + Leeman MON 50 15 17 32 0.64 32 24 14 + Dalgarno NYI 55 15 17 32 0.58 32 60 16 + Mellanby EDM 67 15 17 32 0.48 32 147 -4 + Primeau DET 73 15 17 32 0.44 32 152 -6 + Gilbert CHI 75 13 19 32 0.43 32 57 5 + Mullen NYI 78 18 14 32 0.41 32 28 7 + Presley BUF 78 15 17 32 0.41 32 92 5 + Leschyshyn QUE 81 9 23 32 0.40 32 55 22 + Zubov NYR 46 8 23 31 0.67 31 4 1 + Mironov TOR 57 7 24 31 0.54 31 38 -2 + Bureau TB 63 10 21 31 0.49 31 111 -12 + Brisebois MON 68 10 21 31 0.46 31 77 8 + Heinze BOS 72 18 13 31 0.43 31 24 21 + Smehlik BUF 78 4 27 31 0.40 31 59 10 + Lemieux CHI 79 10 21 31 0.39 31 109 4 + Yushkevich PHI 79 5 26 31 0.39 31 71 10 + Evason SJ 83 12 19 31 0.37 31 132 -33 + McInnis NYI 56 10 20 30 0.54 30 24 7 + Noonan CHI 61 16 14 30 0.49 30 82 1 + Gallant DET 66 10 20 30 0.45 30 186 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S. 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0 0 0.00 0 0 0 + Pietrangelo HAR 30 0 0 0 0.00 0 4 0 + Irbe SJ 35 0 0 0 0.00 0 10 0 + Terreri NJ 47 0 0 0 0.00 0 6 0 + Fuhr BUF 56 0 0 0 0.00 0 10 0 + Sidorkiewicz OTT 63 0 0 0 0.00 0 8 0 +-- + +-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- +- - +- Maurice Richard - +";13;True +"From: davpa@ida.liu.se (David Partain) +Subject: Candida Albicans: what is it? +Originator: davpa@obel11 +Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Linkoping +Lines: 11 + + +Someone I know has recently been diagnosed as having Candida Albicans, +a disease about which I can find no information. Apparently it has something +to do with the body's production of yeast while at the same time being highly +allergic to yeast. Can anyone out there tell me any more about it? + +Thanks. +-- +David Partain | davpa@ida.liu.se +IDA, University of Link\""oping | work phone: +46 (013) 28 26 08 +S-581 83 Link\""oping, Sweden | telefax: +46 (013) 28 26 66 +";4;True +"Subject: Re: Gatewaying Microsoft Mail/Workgroups via 96 +From: wesj@extsparc.usu.edu (Wes James) +Reply-To: wesj@extsparc.usu.edu +Distribution: world +Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. +Nntp-Posting-Host: extsparc.agsci.usu.edu +Lines: 40 + + +We here at Utah State University Cooperative Extension have been using +W4Wg for a while now. We wanted to talk to the internet with the mail +package so we got the smtp gateway. You also need a tcp/ip transport +package on top of that which is utterly stupid but that's what they +require to get the smtp gateway to work. You need a dedicated pc +for the gateway and if you are looking at remote access you need another +dedicated pc for the remote mail stuff. We do not have the remote mail +going but you indicate that that is what you want to do. + +There is a glitch somewhere in the system though. I don't know if it +is MS mail, the gateway or the VAX here on campus that is choking in the +mail that is sent. The scenario is this. The outgoing mail goes to a +Unix system which then routes the mail where it needs to go. If that mail +is routed to the VAX, the VAX has problems some times receiving the mail. +Most messages do get through this way except if someone has there mail +on the VAX forwarded to some other location. That is the main gotcha. +Where ever the mail is forwarded to that person gets a message header +then a message saying ""Boudary:= (error garbage code stuff)"". If you +can stay away from sending to a VAX you are ok. The system people +of course say that the VAX is not the problem, the gateway is probably +the problem. If anyone wants to get help it is only $175.00 for one +support call. (until problem is worked out) Phooey to that I say. I +am looking vigorously for a better Idea. + +If you go forward on any of this and find out anything knew, please +drop me a note - anyone. The next itteration is supposed to have tcp/ip +built in THEY say........ The netxt itteration of w4wg + +Good Luck!!!!! + +******************************************************************* + Wes James Email: wesj@extsparc.agsci.usu.edu + Utah State University + Cooperative Extension + Systems Specialist + UMC 4900 Voice: (801)750-2229 + Logan, UT 84322-4900 FAX: (801)750-3268 +******************************************************************* + +";6;True +"From: sandy@nmr1.pt.cyanamid.COM (Sandy Silverman) +Subject: Re: Barbecued foods and health risk +In-Reply-To: rousseaua@immunex.com's message of 19 Apr 93 13:02:13 PST +Nntp-Posting-Host: nmr1.pt.cyanamid.com +Organization: American Cyanamid Company + <1quq1m$e8j@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu> + <1993Apr19.130213.69@immunex.com> +Lines: 8 + +Heat shock proteins are those whose expression is induced in response to +elevated temperature. Some are also made when organisms are subjected to +other stress conditions, e.g. high salt. They have no obvious connection +to what happens when you burn proteins. +-- +Sanford Silverman >Opinions expressed here are my own< +American Cyanamid +sandy@pt.cyanamid.com, silvermans@pt.cyanamid.com ""Yeast is Best"" +";4;True +"From: pmetzger@snark.shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger) +Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. +In-Reply-To: louie@sayshell.umd.edu's message of 17 Apr 1993 13:10:00 GMT +Reply-To: pmetzger@lehman.com +Organization: Lehman Brothers + <1qovj8$74m@ni.umd.edu> +Distribution: na +Lines: 24 + + +In article <1qovj8$74m@ni.umd.edu> louie@sayshell.umd.edu (Louis A. Mamakos) writes: + + In article tcmay@netcom.com (Timothy C. May) writes: + + >But is it any worse than the current unsecure system? It becomes much + >worse, of course, if the government then uses this ""Clinton Clipper"" + >to argue for restrictions on unapproved encryption. (This is the main + >concern of most of us, I think. The camel's nose in the tent, etc.) + + Excuse me? This has *already* happened. There's a couple of humps in + the tent already. Ask the folks at Qualcomm what became of the + non-trivial encryption scheme they proposed for use in their CDMA + digitial cellular phone standard? There *already* are restrictions in + place. + +You have it slightly wrong. They dumped the encryption system because +they could not export it -- not because they could not produce it for +U.S. use. There are no legal restraints on citizen use of strong +cryptography -- yet. +-- +Perry Metzger pmetzger@shearson.com +-- +Laissez faire, laissez passer. Le monde va de lui meme. +";16;True +"From: dstampe@psych.toronto.edu (Dave Stampe) +Subject: Re: Fast polygon routine needed +Keywords: polygon, needed +Organization: Department of Psychology, University of Toronto +Lines: 27 + +sol.surv.utas.edu.au (Stephen Quan) writes: + +>>>>[...], but I'm looking for a fast polygon routine to be used in a 3D game. +>>>A fast polygon routine to do WHAT? +>>To draw polygons of course. Its a VGA mode 13h (320x200) game, [...] +> +>Hi, I've come across a fast triangle fill-draw routine for mode 13h. By +>calling this routine enough times, you have a fast polygon drawing routine. +> +>I think I ftp'ed from wuarchive.wustl.edu:/pub/MSDOS_UPLOADS/programming. +>I have a copy of it so I reupload it there. The triangle.txt file has this +>to say : +> +>> C and inline assembly source for a VGA mode 13h triangle drawer. +> +Another source: There's a poly blitter for mode y (mode x in 320x200) +at sunee.uwaterloo.ca. Also there is REND386, an even faster 3D +renderer with VR extensions. + + +-------------------------------------------------------------------------- +| My life is Hardware, | Dave Stampe | +| my destiny is Software, | dstampe@psych.toronto.edu | +| my CPU is Wetware... | dstampe@sunee.uwaterloo.ca | +| Am I a techno-psychologist, or just a psycho-engineer ?? | +-------------------------------------------------------------------------- + +";1;True +"From: hernlem@chess.ncsu.edu (Brad Hernlem) +Subject: Re: Basil, opinions? (Re: Water on the brain) +Reply-To: hernlem@chess.ncsu.edu (Brad Hernlem) +Organization: NCSU Chem Eng +Lines: 44 + + +In article <1qmdtlINNkrc@early-bird.think.com>, shaig@Think.COM (Shai Guday) writes: + +|> In article <1993Apr15.204930.9517@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu>, hasan@McRCIM.McGill.EDU writes: +|> |> +|> |> In article <1993Apr15.055341.6075@nysernet.org>, astein@nysernet.org (Alan Stein) writes: +|> |> |> I guess Hasan finally revealed the source of his claim that Israel +|> |> |> diverted water from Lebanon--his imagination. +|> |> |> -- +|> |> |> Alan H. Stein astein@israel.nysernet.org +|> |> Mr. water-head, +|> |> i never said that israel diverted lebanese rivers, in fact i said that +|> |> israel went into southern lebanon to make sure that no +|> |> water is being used on the lebanese +|> |> side, so that all water would run into Jordan river where there +|> |> israel will use it !#$%^%&&*-head. +|> +|> Of course posting some hard evidence or facts is much more +|> difficult. You have not bothered to substantiate this in +|> any way. Basil, do you know of any evidence that would support +|> this? +|> +|> I can just imagine a news report from ancient times, if Hasan +|> had been writing it. +|> +|> Newsflash: +|> Cairo AP (Ancient Press). Israel today denied Egypt acces to the Red +|> Sea. In a typical display of Israelite agressiveness, the leader of +|> the Israelite slave revolt, former prince Moses, parted the Red Sea. +|> The action is estimated to have caused irreparable damage to the environment. +|> Egyptian authorities have said that thousands of fisherman have been +|> denied their livelihood by the parted waters. Pharaoh's brave charioteers +|> were successful in their glorious attempt to cause the waters of the +|> Red Sea to return to their normal state. Unfortunately they suffered +|> heavy casualties while doing so. + +Hehehe. + +BTW, does the Litani River not flow West and not South? I think that its waters +stay entirely within Lebanese territory and so what Hasan says about the Jordan +River makes no sense, in any case. The Hasbani River, on the other hand, flows +into the Jordan, if I am not mistaken. + +Brad Hernlem (hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU) +";15;True +"From: ak954@yfn.ysu.edu (Albion H. Bowers) +Subject: Re: Ducati 400 opinions wanted +Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH +Lines: 33 +Reply-To: ak954@yfn.ysu.edu (Albion H. Bowers) +NNTP-Posting-Host: yfn.ysu.edu + + +In a previous article, bgardner@pebbles.es.com (Blaine Gardner) says: + +>In article <1qhm02$mbs@news.ysu.edu> ak954@yfn.ysu.edu (Albion H. Bowers) writes: +>>In a previous article, markb@wc.novell.com (M. Burnham) says: + +>>>Ducati 400's are REALLY slow. They don't sell them over here in US, +>>>but considering that the 750SS is not too powerful, the 400 is gonna' +>>>be a dog. + +>>Oh yeah, 12.10 at 108 mph in the quarter is such a slug. Come on, when was +>>the last time you used your 750s max power peak? I think maybe you should +>>ride one first, before passing judgement, there is a lot more than just +>>maximum acceleration. + +>I guess I'm out of touch, but what exactly is the Ducati 400? A v-twin +>desmo, or is it that half-a-v-twin with the balance weight where the 2nd +>cylinder would go? A 12 second 1/4 for a 400 isn't bad at all. + +Sorry, I should have been more specific. The 750 SS ran the quater in +12.10 @ 108.17. The last small V-twin Duc we got in the US (and the 400 is +a Pantah based V-twin) was the 500SL Pantah, and it ran a creditable 13.0 @ +103. Modern carbs and what not should put the 400 in the high 12s at 105. + +BTW, FZR 400s ran mid 12s, and the latest crop of Japanese 400s will out +run that. It's hard to remember, but but a new GOOF2 will clobber an old +KZ1000 handily, both in top end and roll-on. Technology stands still for +no-one... + +-- +Al Bowers DOD #900 Alfa Ducati Hobie Kottke 'blad Iaido NASA +""Well goodness sakes...don't you know that girls can't play guitar?"" + -Mary Chapin-Carpenter +";7;True +"From: starr@genie.slhs.udel.edu (Tim Starr) +Subject: Re: Ban All Firearms ! +Organization: UDel: School of Life & Health Sciences +Lines: 29 + +In article <16BAECE99.PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu> PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) writes: +}In article +}papresco@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod) writes: +} +}>In article <92468@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt6511a@prism.gatech.EDU (COCHRANE,JAMES SHPLEIGH) writes: +}>> +}>2.If Guns were banned, and a bunch showed up in south florida, it +}>would be 100x easier to trace and notice then a small ripple in the +}>huge wave of the American gun-craze. +} ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +} +} Do they teach courses in rude in Canada? + +They don't have too. Canadian culture is handed down largely from the United +Empire Loyalists who fled from the American Revolution. Canuckleheads tend +to have a ""cratophilic,"" or government-loving attitude towards authority. + +Paul Prescod is right in line with this elitist bigotry and prejudice that +all my Canadian friends hate in their fellow citizens. His sort of snobbish +Canuck have an irrational horror of American democratic ""armed mobs."" + +Tim Starr - Renaissance Now! + +Assistant Editor: Freedom Network News, the newsletter of ISIL, +The International Society for Individual Liberty, +1800 Market St., San Francisco, CA 94102 +(415) 864-0952; FAX: (415) 864-7506; 71034.2711@compuserve.com + +Think Universally, Act Selfishly - starr@genie.slhs.udel.edu +";3;True +"From: seth@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (peter.r.clark..jr) +Subject: FLYERS notes 4/5 +Organization: AT&T +Keywords: FLYERS/Leafs summary (take that, Leafs woofers!) +Lines: 225 + + + +The FLYERS team that can beat any team on any night showed up at the Spectrum +Sunday night, and dominated the Maple Leafs thoroughly en route to a 4-0 +shutout. Tommy Soderstrom will get credit for the shutout, but he barely broke +a sweat until the third period as the FLYERS defense kept the Leafs from +mounting any serious attack. + +Injuries: + +Pelle Eklund is day-to-day with a bruised thigh. + +Roster Moves: + +Jason Bowen was added to the lineup for his first NHL game. Jason was the FLYERS +second pick in the first round (15th overall) of the 1992 entry draft. 19 years +old, 6'4"", 210 lbs. In 62 games with the tri-city Americans he had 10 goals, +12 assists and 219 PIM. He plays left wing and defense, he played defense in +this game although Bobby Taylor said that Bill Dineen was planning to use him +up front as well. + +Andre Faust was returned to Hershey. He actually left after the second period +of the Kings game, flew to Albany, got the game tying goal in a Bears OT win, +and played again for Hershey Sunday night. + +Lines: + +Fedyk-Lindros-Recchi +Beranek-Brind'Amour-Dineen +Lomakin-Butsayev-Conroy +Acton-Brown + +Galley-McGill +Yushkevich-Cronin +Carkner-Hawgood +Bowen + +Tommy Soderstrom in goal. + +Acton replaced Lomakin in the 3rd period. + +Game Summary: + +If the FLYERS played like this every night, they'd be in the playoffs this +year. The FLYERS hit everything that moved. They created scoring chance after +scoring chance. They snuffed out everything that the Leafs tried to do. + +Jason Bowen made a good play on his first NHL shift that almost created a goal. +He had the puck in the top of the left offensive circle all alone, but instead +of taking the shot he found Brind'Amour crashing the net on the other side. +A perfect pass and a good shot across Daren Puppa's body should have been a +goal, but Puppa made a great save reading the play. + +Garry Galley gave the Maple Leafs 7th ranked power play the first chance when +he hooked Doug Gilmour at 4:25. The FLYERS lowly 21st ranked penalty killing +unit was almost flawless the entire game, and set the tone on this kill. The +Maple Leafs got almost nothing but long unscreened shots, and the defense swept +away every rebound. + +After the power play, the FLYERS got a goal on an ugly play. Rod Brind'Amour +gave the puck to Greg Hawgood at the right point, and he sent a drive at the +net. Puppa made the save and kicked the rebound right into the feet of Josef +Beranek and Bob Rouse, who were wrestling in the slot. Beranek was able to +get his stick on the puck and push it out to Dineen who was skating into +the slot from the right circle, and he lifted a backhander over Puppa for +a 1-0 FLYERS lead at 8:10. + +The FLYERS kept the pressure on, and Puppa was the only Leaf keeping the FLYERS +from building on their lead for a while. Eventually things settled down and +defense prevailed. Each team got an occasional scoring chance, but the goalies +were strong. Bowen started giving some Lindros-like checks in his own corners. +Then Lindros, who was looking to avenge a hit Foligno gave him, thought he had +a chance to even the score. He had Foligno lined up at center ice, leaned into +him, and rode him into the center ice boards. The only problem was that Foligno +was a little far from the boards, and Mike ""Mister"" McGeough felt that it +warranted a boarding call at 15:38 + +The Leafs couldn't get anything going on the power play as the FLYERS were +very aggressive (for a change) on the kill. + +With time running out in the period, Recchi carried through the neutral zone +and handed to Lindros as they approached the Leaf's blue line. They were in +a crowd with Wendell Clark and Jamie Macoun, Lindros tried a backhand pass +to Recchi through the feet of Macoun that connected to Recchi, but then Clark +checked Recchi off the puck. Macoun then tried to clear, but it was weak and +went right to McGill who had manned the point. He drove it from just inside +the blue line. Macoun got his stick on it and deflected it past his own +goalie at 19:55.1. Shots were 13-8 FLYERS in the period. + +The FLYERS finally got their first chance on the power play when Dave Andreychuk +tripped up Rod Brind'Amour in his offensive zone. During the power play, the +FLYERS got cheated a little when the puck popped up into the air and Eric +gloved it down, but McGeough thought it hit his stick above his head. We +could see from our seats at the other end of the ice that it only hit his glove +and the replay confirmed, but the faceoff went to the other end. As time was +running out in the advantage, Lindros found Galley with a pass across the goal +mouth but Puppa made the save. The rebound kicked back to the right corner where +Recchi picked it up, passed it out to Eric crashing through the right circle, +and Eric one-timed past Puppa at 7:55. With the assist, Recchi moves past +Bobby Clarke's 74-75 season, the second best one season total for a FLYER at +117. Eric moves up to 4th all time in FLYERS rookie scoring with 67 points. + +Mike Eastwood took down Al Conroy at 8:30 to give the FLYERS another chance on +the power play. Not much pressure before Garry Galley ended the power play with +a slash at 9:19. Not much happened on the 4 on 4, although the Leafs had most +of the possession. The FLYERS smothered the Leafs short power play. Tempers +flared a little at 13:14. Bowen and Pearson got roughing minors, Keith Acton +got a bloody face. Dave McLlwain then took a dive and got Greg Hawgood a +hooking minor at 13:46 to set up a 4 on 3. The replay showed that Hawgood's +stick stopped making contact with McLlwain long before he spun around and fell. +Again the FLYERS smothered the Leafs power play, led by Dimitri Yushkevich. +Bowen made a thundering hit when he came out of the box on Pearson. Berehowski +tried to perplex everybody with his sloooowball. He had the puck at the point, +and just trickled a pass down the slot. He made all the FLYERS look silly as +nobody could get a stick on it, and it got to Gilmour at the side of the net, +but Soderstrom stoned him. + +The FLYERS picked things up offensively after the kill was over, but didn't +get anything home. Shots were 13-10 FLYERS. + +The FLYERS were content with the 3 goal lead in the third period, and they +decided that if Tommy wanted a shutout, he was going to have to work for it a +little. + +The FLYERS got most of the scoring chances in the first 7 or so minutes of the +period, but couldn't get past Puppa. Then the Leafs got tired of Lindros making +road kill out of them, and tempers flared. 2 each for Doug Gilmour and Lindros +(unsportsmanlike conduct) and 2 each for Glenn Anderson and McGill (roughing) +all at 7:02. Terry Carkner then took a kneeing penalty at 7:51 on Gilmour. + +Again the FLYERS smothered the Leafs power play. + +At about the 12 minute mark, Dave Andreychuk got a shot away from his left +circle that got through Soderstrom. The puck was rolling on it's side, and +as luck would have it it turned away from the net instead of turning towards +it (think of how a rolling quarter inevitably starts to lean one way or the +other). Seconds later Rod Brind'Amour tripped up Gilmour at 12:24 to give the +Leafs another chance on the power play. On the advantage, after Soderstrom +stoned Andreychuk while lying down, Andreychuk got the rebound through +Soderstrom, but from behind the net and it went straight through and was swept +away by one of his defensemen. They kept the pressure on, but Soderstrom was +equal and preserved the shutout. + +Recchi cross checked Ken Baumgartner to get tempers hot and start a brawl +at 16:01. No punches thrown, Recchi got the initial minor, Krushelnyski +Baumgartner and Lindros each got roughing minors. At 17:02 Rouse and Beranek +expressed their mutual dislike for each other and got 2 each for slashing to +set up another 4 on 4. Mike Eastwood shoved down Ryan McGill in the FLYERS +zone as they were battling for the puck, and while McGill was down he ran +his stick across McGill's face. The FLYERS were not happy with that at all. +5-8 Al Conroy paired up with 6-1 Berehowski, and started throwing punches. +Upward. Well, Al held his own, much to the delight of the crowd. Each got +a couple punches in before going down in a head, and Al got a standing O! +Penalties: Eastwood 5 (cross check) + game, Clark, Carkner 10 each. Berehowski +and Conroy 5 each (fighting) at 17:49. + +So a major penalty for the rest of the game for the FLYERS. The had no interest +in stting on the lead. Hawgood, Galley and Brind'Amour played catch until +Hawgood found Dineen all alone in the left circle, he controlled the puck and +blasted it past Puppa at 18:39. + +That was all the fireworks, Tommy Soderstrom would not face another shot. Puppa +did, but kept the FLYERS off the board. 4-0 FLYERS, shots were 9-8 FLYERS in the +3rd. Probably the strongest game I've seen from the FLYERS since the All Star +break. Shutout number 4 for Soderstrom, all since 1/10. Tied for 2nd most in +the NHL, but he's played fewer games than Belfour (6) or the goalie I can't +remember that he's tied with. + +Next up it's the Winnipeg Selannes Tuesday night in Winnipeg. The FLYERS cannot +be eliminated if they win, but a loss coupled with an Islander win that night +in Washington would be the official end. + +FLYERS up to 71 points on the season in 78 games. Last year they had 75 points +in 80 games (5 under .500), so they need at least 8 points in their last 6 +games to improve on that only by percentage points (5 under in 84 is better +than 5 under in 80). + +Tragic number holds at 3 points with 6 games left. The tragic number for 5th +is 5 points, I watched the Rangers blow a 4-2 third period lead at home to +lose 5-4 before I finished this up. Why 5 points instead of 4? Well, the FLYERS +will win the tie-breaker if they catch them, whereas the Islanders win tie +breakers against the FLYERS and so need only a tie. The Rangers could crumble +down the stretch as they play the Devils, the Pens twice, the FLYERS, and +finish up with 2 games against the Caps. So I guess 5th place could be the +goal for the team to focus on. + +FLYERS team record watch: + +Eric Lindros: + +38 goals, 29 assists, 67 points + +(rookie records) +club record goals: club record points: +Eric Lindros 38 1992-93 Dave Poulin 76 1983-84 +Brian Propp 34 1979-80 Brian Propp 75 1979-80 +Ron Flockhart 33 1981-82 Ron Flockhart 72 1981-82 +Dave Poulin 31 1983-84 Eric Lindros 67 1992-93 +Bill Barber 30 1972-73 Pelle Eklund 66 1985-86 + +Mark Recchi: + +51 goals, 66 assists, 117 points. + +club record goals: club record points: +Reggie Leach 61 1975-76 Bobby Clarke 119 1975-76 +Tim Kerr 58 1985-86,86-87 Mark Recchi 117 1992-93 +Tim Kerr 54 1983-84,84-85 Bobby Clarke 116 1974-75 +Mark Recchi 51 1992-93 Bill Barber 112 1975-76 +Rick Macliesh 50 1972-73 Bobby Clarke 104 1972-73 +Bill Barber 50 1975-76 Rick Macliesh 100 1972-73 +Reggie Leach 50 1979-80 + +FLYERS career years: + +Player Points Best Prior Season +Mark Recchi 117 113 (90-91 Penguins) +Rod Brind'Amour 79 77 (91-92 FLYERS) +Garry Galley 58 38 (84-85 Kings) +Brent Fedyk 58 35 (90-91 Red Wings) + +That's all for now... + +pete clark jr - rsh FLYERS contact and mailing list owner + +";13;True +"From: admiral@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Steve C Liu) +Subject: Baseball Stats +Organization: Homewood Academic Computing, Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, Md, USA +Lines: 17 +Distribution: usa +Expires: 5/5/93 +NNTP-Posting-Host: jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu +Summary: 1992 EWB II Stats wanted + + Hello, my friends and I are running the Homewood Fantasy Baseball +League (pure fantasy baseball teams). Unfortunely, we are running the league +using Earl Weaver Baseball II with the Comm. Disk II and we need the stats +for the 1992 season. (Preferably the 1992 Major League Stat Disk) We have +the '92 total stats but EWB2 needs the split stats otherwise we have 200 +inning games because the Comm. Disk turns total stats into vs. L's stats +unless you know both right and left -handed stats. + + So, if anyone has the EWB2 '92 Stat Disk please e-mail me! +__________________________________________________________________________ +|Admiral Steve C. Liu Internet Address: admiral@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu| +|""Committee for the Liberation and Intergration of Terrifying Organisms | +|and their Rehabilitation Into Society"" from Red Dwarf - ""Polymorph"" | +|****The Bangles are the greatest female rock band that ever existed!****| +| This sig has been brought to you by... Frungy! The Sport of Kings! | +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ + +";14;True +"From: clipper@csrc.ncsl.nist.gov (Clipper Chip Announcement) +Subject: Re: The [secret] source of that announcement +Organization: National Institute of Standards & Technology +Lines: 65 + +In article habs@panix.com (Harry Shapiro) writes: +>In <1r1om5$c5m@slab.mtholyoke.edu> jbotz@mtholyoke.edu (Jurgen Botz) +>writes: +> +>>Even more interesting: the SMTP server at csrc.ncsl.nist.gov no longer +>>recognizes the 'expn' and 'vrfy' commands... +> +>> telnet csrc.ncsl.nist.gov smtp +>> Trying 129.6.54.11... +>> Connected to csrc.ncsl.nist.gov. +>> Escape character is '^]'. +>> 220 first.org sendmail 4.1/NIST ready at Tue, 20 Apr 93 17:01:34 EDT +>> expn clipper +>> 500 Command unrecognized +> +>>Seems like sombody didn't like your snooping around, Marc. +> +>Then it is a good thing we already have this: +> +>The csspub mailing list: csspab@mail-gw.ncsl.nist.gov, and address on +> [rest of names deleted] + +Sigh... my version of 'rn' asked me whether I really want to send this +posting! + +You may as well know that all this stuff about the secret source of the +Clipper announcement is because of a silly mistake. I am the administrator +of csrc.ncsl.nist.gov, alias first.org. It's a system set up to help out +the needs of FIRST, a Forum of Incident Response and Security Teams, which +includes a number of world-wide incident response teams such as CERT/CC and +other places in Europe. As to the VRFY and EXPN commands, they are normally +disabled, since early on we didn't want crackers to find out the names of +incident response folks on our mailing lists. We had a disk crash several +months ago which required completely rebuilding the O/S files - same old +story, our backups weren't especially helpful. As you can guess, I didn't +remember to re-disable VRFY and EXPN until I saw people on the net trying to +find out who was behind clipper@csrc... When I saw people's names posted +here, I felt it was time to clear things up. So, EXPN and VRFY on csrc have +always been disabled in the past for reasons having nothing to do with +Clipper. + +I posted the White House announcements at the request of policy folks here +because csrc also provides Usenet service. I posted them from an account +called 'clipper.' I also created an alias called 'clipper' that contains +the addresses of members of the NIST Computer Security Privacy and Advisory +Board, set up under law of the Computer Security Act of 1987, and addresses +of other individuals not affiliated with NIST but involved in cryptography, +security, and privacy - I believe that these individuals were included on +this list because NIST felt it important to get them the Clipper information +first-hand. + +The 'clipper' alias is there for the benefit of those named above. It is +not a source for information, it was set up solely to monitor any initial +traffic. Individuals on the list have requested that they continue to get +traffic that is not already duplicated on Usenet. + +While you can rightfully say we were a bit disorganized in handling this, +I would ask that people stop speculating about any hidden agendas or motives +of the individuals on the 'clipper' alias - I've already apologized to them +for what's happened. Disabling EXPN and VRFY is an increasingly common +practice (albeit unfriendly to some), and any effect of disabling it again +was unintentional. + +-John Wack + +";16;True +"From: (Proust) +Subject: Re: Individual Winners (WAS: Re: WHERE ARE THE DOUBTERS NOW? HMM?) +Nntp-Posting-Host: td-college-kstar-node.net.yale.edu +Organization: Computing & Information Systems, Yale University +Lines: 15 + +In article <1993Apr15.170226.11074@cci632.cci.com>, dwk@cci632.cci.com +(Dave Kehrer) wrote: +> +> Well, since you mentioned it... +> +> In article <1993Apr12.142028.6300@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu>, migod@turing.toronto.edu (Mike Godfrey) writes: +> +> > Lemieux is clearly the MVP +> +> No question here. Chip in the Masterson as well... + + +Lemieux for the Masterson? No doubt he had an awe inspiring season, +but what personal records did he set this year? Lemieux should have +Hart locked up...but how about Mike Gartner for the Masterson? +";13;True +"From: jchen@wind.bellcore.com (Jason Chen) +Subject: LH Workmanship +Nntp-Posting-Host: wind.bellcore.com +Reply-To: jchen@ctt.bellcore.com +Organization: Bell Communications Research +Lines: 19 + +I just visited the NY Auto Show, and saw two LH cars on the floor: Eagle +Vision and Dodge Intrepid. + +Really nice I must say. Very attractive styling, lots of features and room, +at a competitive price. + +Unfortunately, the workmanship is quite disappointing. On BOTH cars, +the rubber seals around the window and door fell off. It turns out +the seals are just big grooved rubber band. It goes on just by pressing +the groove against the tongue on the door frame. Surely it would come +off easily. + +I am not sure how many of this kind of pooring engineering/assembly +problems that will show up later. + +I may still consider buying it, but only when it establishes a good +track record. + +Jason Chen +";10;True +"From: d88-jwa@hemul.nada.kth.se (Jon Wtte) +Subject: Re: ADB Mouse II (ergo) -- when? +Distribution: comp +Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden +Lines: 16 +Nntp-Posting-Host: hemul.nada.kth.se + +In jas@ISI.EDU (Jeff Sullivan) writes: + +>When is Apple supposed to start bundlign the new ergonomic ADB Mouse +>II with all CPUs sold? + +As far as I know, they did; my new Mac came with one yesterday... +(And I got my ergonomic keyboard, on order for three months, the +other day, too!) + +Cheers, + + / h+ +-- + -- Jon W{tte, h+@nada.kth.se, Mac Hacker Deluxe -- + + ""On a clear disc, you can seek forever."" +";0;True +"From: sdbsd5@cislabs.pitt.edu (Stephen D Brener) +Subject: Intensive Japanese at Pitt +Keywords: San Francisco +Distribution: usa +Organization: University of Pittsburgh +Lines: 112 + +In article rcj2@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (ray.c.jender) writes: +> +> I was kind of half watching Street Stories last night +> and one of the segments was about this doctor in +> S.F. who provides a service of investigating treatment +> for various diseases. I'm pretty sure his name is +> Dr. Mark Renniger (sp?) or close to that. +> Did anyone else watch this? I'd like to get his +> correct name and address/phone number if possible. +> Thanks. + + + INTENSIVE JAPANESE AT THE UNIVERSITY OF PITTSBURGH THIS SUMMER + ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ + + +The University of Pittsburgh is offering two intensive Japanese language +courses this summer. Both courses, Intensive Elementary Japanese and +Intensive Intermediate Japanese, are ten week, ten credit courses +each equivalent to one full year of Japanese language study. They begin +June 7 and end August 13. The courses meet five days per week, five hours +per day. There is a flat rate tuition charge of $1600 per course. +Fellowships available for science and engineering students. Contact +Steven Brener, Program Manager of the Japanese Science and Technology +Management Program, at the University of Pittsburgh at the number or +address below. +ALL INTERESTED INDIVIDUALS ARE ENCOURAGED TO APPLY, THIS IS NOT LIMITED TO +UNIVERSITY STUDENTS. + + + + + +####################################################################### +################# New Program Announcement ######################## +####################################################################### + + + JAPANESE SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY MANAGEMENT PROGRAM + +The Japanese Science and Technology Management Program (JSTMP) is a new +program jointly developed by the University of Pittsbugh and Carnegie Mellon +University. Students and professionals in the engineering and scientific +communitites are encouraged to apply for classes commencing in June 1993 and +January 1994. + + +PROGRAM OBJECTIVES +The program intends to promote technology transfer between Japan and the +United States. It is also designed to let scientists, engineers, and managers +experience how the Japanese proceed with technological development. This is +facilitated by extended internships in Japanese research facilities and +laboratories that provide participants with the opportunity to develop +long-term professional relationships with their Japanese counterparts. + + +PROGRAM DESIGN +To fulfill the objectives of the program, participants will be required to +develop advanced language capability and a deep understanding of Japan and +its culture. Correspondingly, JSTMP consists of three major components: + +1. TRAINING IN THE JAPANESE LANGUAGE +Several Japanese language courses will be offered, including intensive courses +designed to expedite language preparation for scientists and engineers in a +relatively short time. + +2. EDUCATION IN JAPANESE BUSINESS AND SOCIAL CULTURE +A particular enphasis is placed on attaining a deep understanding of the +cultural and educational basis of Japanese management approaches in +manufacturing and information technology. Courses will be available in a +variety of departments throughout both universities including Anthropology, +Sociology, History, and Political Science. Moreover, seminars and colloquiums +will be conducted. Further, a field trip to Japanese manufacturing or +research facilities in the United States will be scheduled. + + +3. AN INTERNSHIP OR A STUDY MISSION IN JAPAN +Upon completion of their language and cultural training at PITT and CMU, +participants will have the opportunity to go to Japan and observe, +and participate in the management of technology. Internships in Japan +will generally run for one year; however, shorter ones are possible. + + +FELLOWSHIPS COVERING TUITION FOR LANGUAGE AND CULTURE COURSES, AS WELL AS +STIPENDS FOR LIVING EXPENSES ARE AVAILABLE. + + FOR MORE INFORMATION AND APPLICATION MATERIALS CONTACT + +STEVEN BRENER SUSIE BROWN +JSTMP Carnegie Mellon University, GSIA +University of Pittsburgh Pittsburgh, PA 15213-3890 +4E25 Forbes Quadrangle Telephone: (412) 268-7806 +Pittsburgh, PA 15260 FAX: (412) 268-8163 +Telephone: (412) 648-7414 +FAX: (412) 648-2199 + +############################################################################ +############################################################################ + + +Interested individuals, companies and institutions should respond by phone or +mail. Please do not inquire via e-mail. +Please note that this is directed at grads and professionals, however, advanced +undergrads will be considered. Further, funding is resticted to US citizens +and permanent residents of the US. + +Steve Brener + + + + + +";4;True +"From: jkatz@access.digex.com (Jordan Katz) +Subject: SSRT Roll-Out Speech +Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA +Lines: 101 +Distribution: usa +NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net + + SSRT ROLLOUT + + Speech Delivered by Col. Simon P. Worden, + The Deputy for Technology, SDIO + + Mcdonnell Douglas - Huntington Beach + April 3,1993 + + Most of you, as am I, are ""children of the 1960's."" We grew +up in an age of miracles -- Inter-Continental Ballistic Missiles, +nuclear energy, computers, flights to the moon. But these were +miracles of our parent's doing. For a decade and more the pundits +have told us - ""you've lost it!"" The ""me"" generation is only +living on the accomplishments of the past. + + You and I have even begun to believe the pessimists. We +listen in awe as the past generation tells of its triumphs. Living +history they are. We are privileged to hear those who did it tell +of it. A few weeks ago some of this very team listened in awe as +General Bernie Schriever told of his team's work - and yes struggle +- to build this nation's Intercontinental Ballistic Missile. + + What stories can we tell? Blurry-eyed telescopes? Thousand +dollar toilet seats? Even our space launch vehicles hearken only +of that past great time. They are and seem destined to remain Gen. +Schriever's ICBMs. I find it hard to swell with pride that the +best new space-lifter idea is to refurbish old Minuteman and +Poseidon ballistic missiles. + + Well - The pessimists are wrong. The legacy is continuing. +This event is proof. To our technological parents: We've listened +to your stories. We've caught your enthusiasm and can-do spirit. +And we've learned from your achievements - and your mistakes. Let +me honor one of you who was part of that history and the impetus +behind this history - Max Hunter. You are one of the greatest +engineers of the firts great age of space exploration. Your +insight and discipline built the Thor ICBM - later incorporated +into today's most successful launch vehicle - The Delta. + + You told us in the 60's that a new form of launch vehicle - a +single stage reusable rocket - can and should be built. You +advocated this idea tirelessly. It was elegantly simple, as are +all great breakthroughs. You showed us how to build it. You +convinced us it could be done. You are working by our side to weld +its components into place. Most important - you reminded us of a +prime engineering principle - undoubtably one you learned from the +generation before you - the generation that built transcontinental +aviation in the 1920's and 30's - build a little and test a little +and Max, you passed all of this on to people like Pat Ladner who +started this program for the SDI. + + Douglas Aircraft didn't start with a DC-10. They didn't even +start with a DC-3. Our grandfathers built a little, tested a +little - even sold a little and made a little money - before they +moved on to the next step. They didn't take a decade or more +before putting the first ""rubber on the road."" Max Hunter - you +didn't take ten years to build Thor, and by God we're not going to +take ten years to show that low cost, single stage, reusable +aerospace transportation is real. + + We ended the cold war in a few short years. It took the same +team here today but a few years to show through the Strategic +Defense Initiative that the cold war must end. We - you and us - +launched a series of satellites - The Delta experiments - in about +a year apiece. This, more than anything else signaled our +commitment to end the impasse between ourselves and the Soviet +Union. Those who made the decisions on both sides have underscored +the importance of our work in bringing about a new international +relationship. + + But it is the same team which is now putting in place the +framework for an aerospace expansion that is our legacy for the +next generation. We will make space access routine and affordable. + + We built this magnificent flying machine in two years. This +summer a true rocket ship will take off and land on earth for the +first time. Then we can and surely will build in the next three +years a reusable sub-orbital rocket. It will allow us to use space +rapidly, affordably, and efficiently as no other nation can. And +yes - we'll make a little money off it too! + + Then - and only then - we'll spend another three years to +build a fully reusable single stage to orbit system. The DC-3 of +space will be a reality! We may even be able to use some of the +rocket propulsion breakthroughs of our former cold war adversaries. +What a wonderful irony if this SDI product and Russian efforts to +counter SDI merge to power mankind's next step to the stars! + + To be sure, we must guard against the temptations to leap to +the final answer. Robert Goddard's first rockets weren't Saturn +V's! If we succumb to the temptation to ask for just a few extra +dollars and a few more years to jump immediately to a full orbital +system - we will fail. Max Hunter and his colleagues showed the +way. Three years and a cloud of dust - in our case rocket +exhausts. There is no short-cut. If we expect to reshape the +world again - we must do it one brick at a time. Minds on tasks at +hand! + + This project is real. The torch of American technological +greatness is being passed. We are Americans. This machine is +American. Let's go fly it! +";2;True +"From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) +Subject: Re: >>>>>>Pompous ass +Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena +Lines: 226 +NNTP-Posting-Host: lloyd.caltech.edu + + writes: + +>>Many people would probably think (especially if the fanatics propogandized +>>this) that this was a conflict between the atheists and the religious. +>>Many would get the impression that we were trying to outlaw religion, if +>>we contintue to try to remove all things with a religious reference. +>That's not what the people I've asked think. Perhaps you would be right +>if you said the fundamentalists would think this way; after all, they think +>they are being oppressed when they are not allowed to oppress. However, +>you have not shown where you get this idea that 'many' people would +>'probably' think it's atheism vs. religion, winner take all. As far as I can +>tell, it is your groundless prediction that this will happen. + +But you haven't taken into the account of propoganda. Remember, if you +asked Germans before WWII if the Jews shoudl be slaughtered, they would +probably answer no, but, after the propoganda machine rolled through, at +least some were able to tolerate it. + +You see, it only takes a small group of fanatics to whip up a general +frenzy. + +>>THe propoganda machines have been in gear over a number of issues, including +>>abortion and gays... look at some of the things that have happened. +>Well, so far they have passed one amendment, which is currently under +>intense scrutiny, and they have failed to outlaw abortion, which is their +>prime goal on that issue. Yep, they seem sooo effective. Sure. + +Well, they haven't managed to outlaw abortion due to the possible objectivity +of the courts. But, they have managed to create quite a few problems for +people that wanted to have an abortion. They could create similar problems +for us. And, it could be worse. They can try to stop abortions by blocking +clinics, etc., but imagine what they'd have to do to stop atheism. + +>>>>Besides, the margin of error is very large when you only talk to two people. +>>>Better than your one, that is, your opinion. Also, I have branched +>>>out and the informal survey is up over half a dozen now. +>>And, what have they said? Were you questions unbiased? +>Keith, you would claim that my questions are biased the minute I posted +>them, because the answers agreed with me. Everyone I have asked about +>the possible removal of the motto (the christian portion) has expressed +>regret about its loss, because they like it. However, when it is pointed +>out to them that a new motto will not be in the works, none have expressed +>the desire to rape, murder, pillage, etc., which you have basically claimed. + +So, you are able to convince them individually, but could you convince a +whole room of them? A whole nation? + +>As for the atheist portion (I know some around here), they have all +>expressed disgust with the motto. Some noted being harassed by christians +>who used the motto to try to seem justified. And all would see it gone. + +Yes, I'd be glad if it were gone to. I've never supported it. However, +I think that it is a minor problem that can be easily ignored, contrasted +with what *could* happen (an what may be likely). + +>>Which Christians designed the motto? Does the motto say anything about +>>Jesus? Why do you think that it refers *only* to Christians? +>Christians wrote it; christians think that their religion is right, and +>all others are wrong; therefore, why would they 'include' other religions +>in the realm of being correct? I doubt that any other religions were meant +>to be included. + +Well, I am not clear on the religious convictions of Francis Scott Key (the +motto can be attributed to him), but it is at least clear that he believed +in a god. And, surely there are a few Christians that think as you say, +but I don't think that most do. Do you think that all Christians actively +despise other religions? Most that I have met haven't and don't do so. + +>>>No christian +>>>that I have queried thinks it means anything but them, and only them. +>>Why not ask some people of other faiths? +>Sorry, I would, but christianity is just so awfully popular around here. +>Suppose you could ask a few people? + +Well, I have asked a Hindu, Moselem, and a few Jews, and all of them think +that it is applicable to them. Of course, I can't say that these people +(just some that I know pretty well) are accurate representations of their +faiths. + +>>It is always a good idea to assume that there were dissenting views on any +>>given issue. You are assuming that all the views were the same, and nothing +>>leads to this conclusion. +>Without evidence to the contrary, I doubt that there were dissenting +>opinions. You claim there were. Provide some evidence for your assertion. + +Well, I'd really like to, and I've tried, but I really don't know where to +get access to _Congressional Records_ from the 1950's. Can anyone help +out here? + +>Comparing christians to Nazis? Interesting. + +Only in the sense that neither can probably convinced to change their beliefs. + +>>>>No, again, the motto on the money doesn't cost you anything extra. However, +>>>>if you abolished the motto, we'd all have to pay to have all the dies and +>>>>plates redone. +>>>Like people paid before to get them changed to have the motto on them. +>>You now need to show that there is a good reason to change everything again. + +>... Also, I doubt that they use th3 +>same plates for more than a year's printing; this would make it easy +>to remove the motto (simply make next year's plates without it). Your +>claim, evidently, is that they will have to pay extra somewhere. +>Provide some evidence for this assertion. + +So, are you saying that they redesign the plates each year? + +Anyway, your whole argument (conveniently deleted I see) was that the motto +somehow costs us all a lot of money. This is just not correct. + +>>The ones I read didn't mention anything about Jesus. I think the issue was +>>concerning the distinction between religion and not. +>How could it be between religious and not religious? The motto +>refers to god; it is a religious motto. The question is whether or +>not it is only christian. You say it is more. I doubt this. Provide +>some evidence for this assertion. + +That is to say, the religion of this country, and the non-religion of +the USSR. That was what most of those quotes were about, and some included +all atheists, in general, as well. I don't think that any of the quotes +(although I seem to have lost them) mentioned anything at all about Jesus. +They advocated religion over non-religion. A specific religion was not +mentioned. + +>>You have missed this point. I said that the motto didn't say anything +>>about anyone in particular. That is, the motto doesn't imply anything +>>about *your* particular beliefs. It doesn't say that everyone trusts +>>in some form of god, only that the nation on the whole does. +>We have been through this before. It's obvious it does not include me; +>this much is beyond doubt. Your claim, again, is that the motto refers +>to more than christians. Based on the facts that christianity says all +>other religions are wrong, and because it seems that the motto was +>written by christians, I doubt your claim. + +So, you are saying that all Christians must believe that all other religions +should be outlawed, just because they think they are wrong? That's silly. +I think the Flat-Earthers are wrong, but I don't advocate their banishment. + +>[...] Based on this idea I doubt that any additional expense would +>even be incurred by removing the motto. Provide some evidence for your +>claim that it would. + +I think that any such cost would be insignificant. I mentioned the slight +cost because you said that the motto was costing us a lot of money by +being on our currency. + +>Disregarding the digression of the other motto...If it is used for +>harassment, and no other purpose has been found for it, why should +>it not be removed? + +Well, mottos in general don't really have purposes... I don't think it +should be removed because I think the benefit would be outweighed by the +consequences. + +>>And do you know what the vote was? Were there other opinions? Do you +>>think that the main reason the motto was required by law was to bother +>>atheists? Do you think that this is what the majority of congress at +>>the time had in mind? If you do, then show why. +>Again, it is the opinion of the people who put it there that I am +>concerned with. + +Then you should be concerned with the opinion of the entire congress. + +>Again, it is not necessary that the complete majority +>shared the purpose of confronting 'godless Communism' with this motto. + +Why not? It is the majority that put it there. + +>>The general public probably does not know about the anti-atheist intent +>>of a few people in the 50's either. +>I daresay more people remember the 50's than the time when Key wrote +>the anthem. + +But do they remember the debate surrounding the motto? Do they remember +that some people intended it to be a message against atheists? Why don't +you include this in your little survey that you were conducting? + +[...] +>You claim here that scientists would believe someone's claims. I doubt +>this. Provide evidence for your assertion. + +What? Should I ask some scientists the probability that something Einstein +said about relativity is worthy? I mean, if Einstein said it, there's a +good chance that it was right (at least at the time). + +>As for the courts, the +>method scientists use can be applied. I need not agree with the court +>by default because of a 'good record.' + +You need not agree with them all of the time, but you would certainly think +that their decisions would be good evidence in favor of some point. + +>>What? But you said you didn't agree with the court because they ""allowed +>>Congress to attempt to make an amendment prohibiting flag burning."" If +>>you don't realize that something like this is external to the realm of +>>the court's power, then how can I be confident that you know *anything* +>>about the court's powers? I mean, if you don't know how the court works, +>>how can you participate in a discussion of the court? +>A judge can go to speak before Congress. And still you ignore the +>abortion gag rule, as you make your claims on abortion. + +No, I think that it would be clearly inappropriate for a Supreme Court +Justice to testify before Congress during the consideration of a +Constitutional Amendment. + +And, in order for the Court to rule on something, a case usually must be +presented. + +>>Mushrooms, flowers, trees, buildings, signs, whatever... the analogy is +>>the same. Just because something that I might find offensive is present +>>doesn't mean that my rights are being violated. +>We are talking about something put there by people, Keith...not +>a mushroom. No one caused that mushroom to exist, unless you're +>finding things offensive in a mushroom farm. + +Yes, some mushrooms can be planted. And, I don't appreciate mushrooms on +my pizza, either. + +>This is not the case +>with the motto. And you're ignoring the harassment which is the +>only known result of the motto, and you're ignoring that somewhere +>along the line people were forced to put the motto there. + +Who was forced to put the motto there? What do you mean? + +keith +";9;True +"From: dpage@ra.csc.ti.com (Doug Page) +Subject: Re: Sr-71 in propoganda films? +Nntp-Posting-Host: ra +Organization: Texas Instruments +Distribution: sci +Lines: 28 + +In article <1993Apr5.220610.1532@sequent.com>, bigfoot@sequent.com (Gregory Smith) writes: +|> mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes: +|> +|> >In <1phv98$jbk@access.digex.net> prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes: +|> +|> +|> >>THe SR-71 stopped being a real secret by the mid 70's. +|> >>I had a friend in high school who had a poster with it's picture. +|> +|> >It was known well before that. I built a model of it sometime in the +|> >mid 60's, billed as YF-12A/SR-71. The model was based on YF-12A specs +|> >and had a big radar in the nose and 8 AAMs in closed bays on the +|> >underside of the fuselage. The description, even then, read ""speeds +|> >in excess of Mach 3 at altitudes exceeding 80,000 feet."" +|> +|> L.B.J. publically announced the existance of the Blackbird program +|> in 1964. + + +He's also the one who dubbed it the SR-71 - it was the RS-71 until LBJ +mippselled (sic) it. + +FWIW, + +Doug Page + +*** The opinions are mine (maybe), and don't necessarily represent those *** +*** of my employer. *** +";2;True +"From: nraclaw@jade.tufts.edu (Nissan Raclaw) +Subject: Re: Go Hezbollah!! +Organization: Tufts University - Medford, MA +Lines: 13 + +Congratulations also are due to the Hamas activists who blew up the +World Trade Center, no? After all, with every American that they put + +in the grave they are underlining the USA's bankrupt imperialist +policies. Go HAmas! + +Blah blah blah blah blah + +Brad, you are only asking that that violence that you love so much +come back to haunt you............... + +Nissan + +";15;True +"From: andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman) +Subject: Re: That silly outdated Bill (was Re: Koresh and Miranda) +Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University. +Lines: 52 + +In article <1qibs0$flk@vela.acs.oakland.edu> awesley@vela.acs.oakland.edu (awesley) writes: +>In article <1993Apr14.225910.14964@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman) writes: +i]>>Since there was no sniper fire, doing nothing was equally effective, +>>as was yelling ""stop that"". Of course, if one wants to credit the +>>tanks with stopping non-existent sniper fire, we might was well credit +>>it with stopping an invasion by Martians. +>> +>>See ""Firearms, Violence and Civil Disorders"" (from SRI) and ""Sniping +>>Incidents - A New Pattern of Violence"" (from Brandeis University's +>>Lemberg Center for the Study of Violence). +> +>>>>There was precisely ONE +>>>>verified sniper in the 67 riots, a drunk firing a pistol out a window. +> +>Actually, there was only one confirmed sniper to >die< in Detroit, +>according to Sauter & Hines, _Nightmare in Detroit, A Rebellion & It's + +What sources did Sauter and Hines use? In Congressional hearings +later, the newspaper folk admitted that their reports were completely +wrong. (Some of their excuses are understandable, while others amount +to gross negligence. Then there's their ""we lied"".) As far as I +know, they never did the followup. + +>>So? People other than snipers can shoot firemen. If they are, +>>shooting at ""snipers"" can't help. Blowing big holes in buildings that +>>don't contain ""sniper nests"" or worrying about travelling ""sniper +>>squads"" is a complete waste of time. +> +>Interesting. Just curious, they do you believe that tanks did blow +>big holes in buildings in Detroit 67? + +I don't have any relevant knowledge about the counter-sniper tactics +or what the govt did with the big war toys. That's why I've only +commented on what they couldn't have accomplished, no matter what +they did. + +>>Nope - the ""sniper"" fire was coming from other police/guard positions. +> +>The guard certainly needed to learn. But I don't agree with the +>idea that there were no snipers at all. From p. 121 of Sauter & Hines: +> +> ""Despite the force of the National Guard in alliance with the +>Army troops, the snipers did not stop. The snipers boldly lay siege to the +>Fifth Precent police station and took pot shots at the Seventh. Firemen +>were under constant harassment from snipers fired from half-closed +>darkened windows in high apartment buildings and from roof-tops."" + +Not in Detroit, not during the 60s. That's newspaper copy and they +admitted later that they were wrong. + +-andy +-- +";3;True +"Subject: Re: Yet more Rushdie [Re: ISLAMIC LAW] +From: kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) +Organization: Case Western Reserve University +NNTP-Posting-Host: b64635.student.cwru.edu +Lines: 27 + +In article <1993Apr6.151843.15240@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Fred Rice) writes: +>I should clarify what Muslims usually mean when they say ""Muslim"". In +>general, anyone who calls themselves a ""Muslim"" and does not do or +>outwardly profess +>something in clear contradiction with the essential teachings of Islam +>is considered to be a Muslim. Thus, one who might do things contrary to +>Islam (through ignorance, for example) does not suddenly _not_ become a +>Muslim. If one knowingly transgresses Islamic teachings and essential +>principles, though, then one does leave Islam. + + You and Mr. bobby really need to sit down and decide what +exactly Islam *is* before posting here. + + According to 'Zlumber, one is NOT a muslim when one is doing evil. +[ A muslin can do no evil ] According to him, one who does evil is suffering +from ""temporary athiesm."" + + Now, would the members who claim to be ""Muslims"" get their stories +straight???? + +-- + + + ""Satan and the Angels do not have freewill. + They do what god tells them to do. "" + + S.N. Mozumder (snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu) +";9;True +"From: donyee@athena.mit.edu (Donald Yee) +Subject: S3 86c805 w/2MB = 1024x768x32k colors = Orchid Pipe Dream? +Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology +Lines: 36 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: pesto.mit.edu + +Hi + I have an Orchid Fahrenheit VLB with 2MB of DRAM. It is an S3 +86c805 based card. I had a problem for a while after installing my +second meg of DRAM for the video, and thanks to Orchid, I got a fix +from their tech support (it was jumper settings not given in the +ordinary manual. I assume it would come with memory ordered from +them, so I guess I should be glad they didn't just say ""Buy the memory +from us"" or something like that.) + + The one thing that I was puzzled by was why there was not a +1024x768x32k color mode on the thing, either in full screen or +enlarged desktop mode. My ATI Ultra Plus can handle that, given 2MB +of memory. All the 2MB buys you on the Fahrenheit is 1280x1024x256. +Just ONE more mode. GEEZ. Had I known, I wouldn't have bothered. I +asked them why, and all I got was ""Your point is well taken, but +Orchid's software developers are busy with other projects."" + + So, to get to the point, finally, ARE there any s3 86c805 +drivers out there that can handle high res hicolor modes? I'd love to +get another card, but perhaps it will have to wait until the next +generation of cards comes out, since this card came bundled with my +system and it's not so easy to exchange these things unless they're +broken. + + If you want these modes, steer away from Orchids s3 86c805 +cards (ie. VLB or VA/VLB), at least until their developers are ""less +busy"". If the magazines are to believed, I've only seen one s3 86c805 +product thus far which can handle 1024x768x32k color (Genoa?), +although evenn that might be a misprint. + + Please, if there are generic or semi-generic drivers out +there, let me know where I can get them. 800x600x32k is OK, but I +coulda gotten that with my ATI VGA Wonder XL. + +Thanks. +donyee@athena.mit.edu +";5;True +"From: srowe@fulcrum.co.uk (Simon Rowe) +Subject: Re: exit codes (dos--sorry for wrong group : ( +Organization: Fulcrum Communications +Lines: 13 + +Internal DOS commands (certainly 3.3 and before) do not set the exit +code. This is a royal pain if you want to do anything which checks for +successful deletions etc. The best suggestion is to use 4dos which +does return you exit codes. It also has move command, + + Simon. + +------------------------------------------------------------------------------- +Simon Rowe, srowe@fulcrum.co.uk +Fulcrum Communications Ltd, +Birmingham, Condition ""BRAIN_OVERLOAD$"" raised at +ENGLAND. 5412(0)/12234 +------------------------------------------------------------------------------ +";6;True +"From: roney@selkirk.sfu.ca (Chris J. Roney) +Subject: Re: div. and conf. names +Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada +Distribution: na +Lines: 33 + +epritcha@s.psych.uiuc.edu ( Evan Pritchard) writes: + + +> No, I would not want to see a Ballard division. But to say +>that these owners are assholes, hence all NHL management people are +>assholes would be fallacious. Conn Smythe, for example, was a classy +>individual (from what I have heard). + + Depends on what you mean by classy. From what I've heard about +him, he was about as classy as Harold Ballard. Only difference was +that back then almost all the owners were like that, so he seemed okay +by comparison. Read the book ""Net Worth"" for one view of what Smythe +(and Norris and Adams and Campbell) were like. + +> Also, isn't the point of ""professional"" hockey to make money +>for all those involved, which would include the players. What I think +>you might be saying is that the players have not made as much money as +>should have been their due, and it is the players that are what make +>the game great not the people who put them on the ice, so naming +>division after management people rather than players is adding insult +>(in the form of lesser recognition) to injury (less money than was +>deserved). + + + Even more specifically, I think what Roger was saying (and I said +it previously too) is that these are NOT the people who made the +league great, so why should divisions, conferences etc. be named after +them instead of Morenz, Vezina, Howe, Orr etc., the people who DID +make it great. Instead, the NHL has chosen to immortalize the men who +got rich off of the men who made the game great. + +-- +Chris Roney (e-mail chris_roney@sfu.ca) +";13;True +"From: bcash@crchh410.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Brian Cash) +Subject: Re: Ancient islamic rituals +Nntp-Posting-Host: crchh410 +Organization: BNR, Inc. +Lines: 38 + +In article <1993Apr3.081052.11292@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>, darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Fred Rice) writes: +|> There has been some discussion on the pros and cons about sex outside of +|> marriage. + ... +|> +|> Where is the evidence for my opinions? At the moment, there are just +|> generalities I can cite. For example, I read that in the 20th century, +|> the percentage of youth (and people in general) who suffer from +|> depression has been steadily climbing in Western societies (probably +|> what I was reading referred particularly to the USA). Similarly, one +|> can detect a trend towards greater occurrence of sex outside of marriage +|> in this century in Western societies -- particularly with the ""sexual +|> revolution"" of the 60's, but even before that I think (otherwise the +|> ""sexual revolution"" of the 60's would not have been possible), +|> particularly with the gradual weakening of Christianity and consequently +|> Christian moral teachings against sex outside of marriage. I propose +|> that these two trends -- greater level of general depression in society +|> (and other psychological problems) and greater sexual promiscuity -- are +|> linked, with the latter being a prime cause of the former. I cannot +|> provide any evidence beyond this at this stage, but the whole thesis +|> seems very reasonable to me and I request that people ponder upon it. +|> +|> Fred Rice <-- a Muslim, giving his point of view. +|> darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au + +I think this is a big leap sex->depression. One example is myself, +where no sex->depression :) But, seriously 1) promiscuity is on a decline, +depression is not and 2) it might be more reasonable to say +depression->promiscuity. I think depression is more likely to come +from emotional problems (relationships, family, job, friends) and +promiscuity is used as an escape. +Since I see marriage as a civil and religious bond rather than an +emotional bond, I don't see a problem with sex before (not outside of) +marriage so long as you have the same commitment and devotion as +what is expected from a married couple. Of course, this is just +my opinion. + +Brian /-|-\ +";9;True +"From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) +Subject: Re: Helium non-renewable?? (was: Too many MRIs?) +Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) +Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science +Lines: 18 + +In article turpin@cs.utexas.edu (Russell Turpin) writes: +>-*---- +>How does the helium get consumed? I would have thought that failure +>to contain it perfectly would result in its evaporation .. back into +>the atmosphere. Sounds like a cycle to me. Obviously, it takes +>energy to run the cycle, but I seriously doubt that helium consumption +>is a resource issue. +> +It's not a cycle. Free helium will escape from the atmosphere due to +its high velocity. It won't be practical to recover it. It has +to be mined. + + +-- +---------------------------------------------------------------------------- +Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and +geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" +---------------------------------------------------------------------------- +";4;True +"From: tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) +Subject: Re: ISLAM BORDERS vs Israeli borders +Nntp-Posting-Host: orion.oac.uci.edu +Organization: University of California, Irvine +Lines: 56 + +In article ilyess@ECE.Concordia.CA (Ilyess Bdira) writes: +>In article <4805@bimacs.BITNET> ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich) writes: +>> +>>What are the borders the Islamic world dreams about ?? +> +>The Islamic world dreams of being the whole planet, but not by kicking +>the current inhabitant out, we rather deam of the day everybody converts. +>If Jews had the same dream, I would not feel threatened a bit. + +There certainly are muslims who *do not* believe that their dream of +a global Islamic community should be achieved through force. There are, +however, others (and, they are often far more visible/vocal than the +former) who *do* accept the establishment of global Islam through force. +I would *not* feel threatened by those only accepting or pursuing +""Islamicization"" through peaceful means, nor by Jews advocating the same +approach. Those advocating force as a means of expanding their side's +power are certainly a threat. + +To Palestinians, Israel is doing just that; maintaining its dominance +of those *outside* its own ""group"". If I am told that ""I am not one of +you"" but you then impose your control on me, damn right you are a threat. +If I am a member of a non-muslim minority *inside* the Islamic +world and *actively did not* accept my ""minority"" status, I *would also +certainly* see Islam's domination as having been acheived, and maintained, +through the powerful coercive force all majorities wield over minorities +within their ranks. +>> +>>Islamic readers, I am waiting to your honest answer. +> +>I want also a honest answer from Zionists for the following questions: + +I am not a zionist, but do feel that *both* Jewish and Palestinian +nationalist desires need, at this juncture, to be accepted in some way. +> +>1)why do jews who don't even believe in God (as is the case with many +>of the founders of secular zionism) have a right in Palestine more +>than the inhabitants of Palestine, just because God gave you the land? +> *** +For the same reason that some muslims believe it is proper and righteous +for Islam to be spread by force upon those who DO NOT WANT THAT. + +>2)Why do most of them speak of the west bank as theirs while most of +>the inhabitants are not Jews and do not want to be part of Israel? + +[I refer to the ""most"" you also refer to] +Because they are scared, and feel very threatened, as well feeling that +this area *is* to some degree part of their belief/religion/heritage/ +identity/etc. + +I too strongly object to those that justify Israeli ""rule"" +of those who DO NOT WANT THAT. The ""occupied territories"" are not +Israel's to control, to keep, or to dominate. +> +Tim + + +";15;True +"Subject: Re: Who's next? Mormons and Jews? +From: ""Casper C. Knies"" +Organization: Brigham Young University +Lines: 148 + + +Isaac Kuo (saackuo@spam.berkeley.edu) writes: + +#In article <93109.231733ISSCCK@BYUVM.BITNET> ""Casper C. Knies"" Gedaliah Friedenberg (friedenb@maple.egr.msu.edu) writes: +#>As a Latter-day Saint, I found John's statement *not at all* ludicrous... +#> +#>Please allow me to explain myself. In 1838, the governor of Missouri, +#>governor Boggs, issued his so-called ""Mormon extermination order."" The +#>only crime (""illegal activity"") the Latter-day Saints had committed, was +#>their religious affiliation, their anti-slave stance (Missouri still +#>allowed slave practices), and their growing numbers/influence in Missouri. +#> +#>I guess the Mormons ""got what they deserved,"" because they refused to bow +#>to the will of (corrupt and evil) secular authorities. This ""disobedience"" +#>brought upon them persecution, murder, and finally forced expulsion from +#>their lands and settlements... +# +#It is significant to remember that these secular positions were held by +#""average"" people, and that at the time, almost all Americans were pretty +#homogeonously Christian. It was largely the mainstream Christian's disgust +#at such practices as polygamy which resulted in their irrational hatred. + +True, but that is exactly the ""problem"": the Mormon extermination order +was issued not just by a Christian, it was ALLOWED under the Constitution +of the United States, which was instituted precisely to prevent incidents +like this ""order"" from occurring in the first place... As I indicated in +an earlier posting, your ""irrational hatred"" is clearly evidenced by +individuals like Robert Weiss (who could have been Gov. Boggs' Lieutenant; +he would have fitted right in, drewling et al), and seems a modern-day +occurrence, based on results (slander, persecution, misrepresentation, +lies, denying Mormons representation in their own user group, etc. etc. + +In intent and purpose, what really has changed? + +#The situation is not entirely different today. Many irrational feelings +#and beliefs are justified through religion. I don't think most of them +#are started because of religion, but religion certainly helps justify and +#perpetuate prejudices and practices by providing a neat justification +#which discourages critical thought. + +True, as evidenced by numerous examples, as I am sure you're aware. + +#>In any regard, Mormon history alone indicates that secular authorities (and +#>I don't even discuss how Uthan's were suckered into allowing part of their +#>lands in becoming nerve-gas and atomic bomb testing grounds...) is far from +#>being trusted or righteous. Have things really changed for the better? I +#>may be a born cynic, but I have NO reason whatsoever that such has been the +#>case. In the early 1980s, I believe, the late President Kimball (lds church +#>leader) strongly protested federal attempts to locate the MX-""Peace Keeper"" +#>missile maze from being built in Utah (yet another ""inspired"" decision from +#secular authorities). Fortunately, his opposition was influential enough +#for the feds to back off. +# +#Do you mean that the ""secular authorities"" are some continuous group of +#people with the common and uninterrupted goal of harrassing/eradicating the +#Mormons? Do you honestly believe that the main reason for using Utah for +#nuclear testing etc.. was to ""get them thar Mormons""? And what about the +#majority of Uthan's who aren't Mormons? You seem to be searching for enemy + ^^^^^^^^ +(Correction: the majority of Utahn's ARE Mormon (60-70% I believe, up to a + 100% in many cities and settlements throughout the Western states.) + +#conspiracies. It is paranoid to believe that everything that affects you +#badly must have been done primarily for that purpose. + +What I mean is that secular authorities are to be watched, as we believe +that Satan has been given some power and dominion over the earth to divert +truth, judgment, and justice. In addition, we believe that the adversary +has power to influence the unjust and idolatrous (greed for money would be +a good example) in order to bring about persecution, war, oppression, and +evil combinations. As an intelligent being, don't you suppose that the +destroyer would yield his influence foremost on those with political power? + +As far as Utah is concerned, what I pointed out were some horrible examples +of environmental nightmares imposed upon by secular authorities, which have +brought death, disease, (i.e. the ""downwinders"") and environmental contami- +nation. I am hardly ""paranoid,"" I am just not ""expecting"" too much from a +secular government that may not share our values and faith, and which indeed +(as Gov. Boggs et al.) may be out to harm and destroy us. As a matter of +fact, prophecies in my church indicate that in future years, (global) +persecution against Mormons will so increase in intensity and scope, that +(paraphrasing) ""all those who wish to escape persecution and murder must +flee to Zion."" Zion (the ""pure in heart"") will be re-established in those +days, and it AIN'T our current secular authorities who will rule over it... + +#>... David Koresh did NOT pose a great +#>threat to the federal authorities or the security of this nation, and with +#>John, I too wonder who or what's next... +# +#I personally feel that we should try to stop anyone who is a threat to the +#life of even one person. Sure, he did not pose a threat to the security of +#this nation. But he did pose a threat to the lives of his followers. That +#much is definite. + +Hmmm. ""definite"" by whom? --Until such has been established beyond reason- +able doubt, this alleged ""threat"" may have been less than the ""threat"" +imposed upon him and his followers by the BATF and FBI... + +#>Who killed who? What constitutional right did the ATF officers have to +#>invade upon private land and to force themselves into the compound? +#>What REALLY caused the ""murder"" of the little children? Could it be that +#>the ATF/FBI presence has any bearing upon the events? How would you +#>interpret the Mt. Masada events? --Blame the Jews? (What the heck did +#>the Romans do there anyway? What business did the ATF/FBI has in Waco, +#>Texas???) The Branch Davidians NEVER posed any threat to society. +# +#This is like asking who REALLY caused the deaths of the Israeli Olympic +#team in 1976? In that case, the police botched the job as well. But to +#lay a heavier burden on them than the terrorists would be a terrible +#mistake. I think the same sort of reasoning applies in this case. +#Certainly, if David Koresh chose any peaceful option, the ATF and FBI +#would have complied. The responsibility is more his than the authorities. + +Come now, at issue is in how much the authorities escalated an otherwise +peaceful stand-off: ""let's get it over with, and ""force"" David Koresh to +come out???"" --By gassing them??? Were they naive, or what? They played +right into the hands of an apocalyptic-thinking individual (he had prepared +his people for this eventuality for years), and not *one* firetruck or plan +was in place to deal with this scenario??? I feel that the authorities +had ""some"" responsibility to protect their own citizens, even if they were +religious zealots, and guilty of ... not paying a $200 gun license??? +(Has the BATF become an extension of the local tax-collectors?) + +#>David Koresh, no doubt, will be described as the ""evil"" guy (by the +#>executioners), while the actions of all those ""valiant and brave"" officers +# +#Characterizing the ATF/FBI as executioners is inaccurate and unfair. In +#order to be an executioner, the least one must have done is have the intent +#to kill. + +Que?? --Intrusion into private property with semi's, loaded with life +ammunition, isn't that implicit ""intent (or at least ""prepared"") to kill""? +I ask you, would the BATF warrant stand up in a civil court of justice? +I do not mind if criminals (such as dangerous drug lords) are brought to +justice, but escalating events to the point of allowing to, if not compli- +city with, the destruction of a people? + +#-- +#*Isaac Kuo (isaackuo@math.berkeley.edu) * _____ +#*""How lucky you English are to find the toilet so amusing.* ______//_o_\\__ +#* For us, it is a mundane and functional item. For you, *(==(/___________ +#* the basis of an entire culture!"" Manfred von Richtofen * \==\/ \ + + +Casper C. Knies isscck@byuvm.bitnet +Brigham Young University isscck@vm.byu.edu +UCS Computer Facilities +";19;True +"From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) +Subject: Re: Morality? (was Re: >>Explain to me +>>>how instinctive acts can be moral acts, and I am happy to listen. +>>For example, if it were instinctive not to murder... +>Then not murdering would have no moral significance, since there +>would be nothing voluntary about it. + +See, there you go again, saying that a moral act is only significant +if it is ""voluntary."" Why do you think this? + +And anyway, humans have the ability to disregard some of their instincts. + +>>So, only intelligent beings can be moral, even if the bahavior of other +>>beings mimics theirs? +>You are starting to get the point. Mimicry is not necessarily the +>same as the action being imitated. A Parrot saying ""Pretty Polly"" +>isn't necessarily commenting on the pulchritude of Polly. + +You are attaching too many things to the term ""moral,"" I think. +Let's try this: is it ""good"" that animals of the same species +don't kill each other. Or, do you think this is right? + +Or do you think that animals are machines, and that nothing they do +is either right nor wrong? + + +>>Animals of the same species could kill each other arbitarily, but +>>they don't. +>They do. I and other posters have given you many examples of exactly +>this, but you seem to have a very short memory. + +Those weren't arbitrary killings. They were slayings related to some sort +of mating ritual or whatnot. + +>>Are you trying to say that this isn't an act of morality because +>>most animals aren't intelligent enough to think like we do? +>I'm saying: +> ""There must be the possibility that the organism - it's not +> just people we are talking about - can consider alternatives."" +>It's right there in the posting you are replying to. + +Yes it was, but I still don't understand your distinctions. What +do you mean by ""consider?"" Can a small child be moral? How about +a gorilla? A dolphin? A platypus? Where is the line drawn? Does +the being need to be self aware? + +What *do* you call the mechanism which seems to prevent animals of +the same species from (arbitrarily) killing each other? Don't +you find the fact that they don't at all significant? + +keith +";9;True +"From: jburnside@ll.mit.edu (jamie w burnside) +Subject: Re: GOT MY BIKE! (was Wanted: Advice on CB900C Purchase) +Keywords: CB900C, purchase, advice +Reply-To: jburnside@ll.mit.edu (jamie w burnside) +Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory +Lines: 29 + +-- +In article <1993Apr16.005131.29830@ncsu.edu>, jrwaters@eos.ncsu.edu +(JACK ROGERS WATERS) writes: +|>> +|>>>Being a reletively new reader, I am quite impressed with all the usefull +|>>>info available on this newsgroup. I would ask how to get my own DoD number, +|>>>but I'll probably be too busy riding ;-). +|>> +|>> Does this count? +|> +|>Yes. He thought about it. +|>> +|>>$ cat dod.faq | mailx -s ""HAHAHHA"" jburnside@ll.mit.edu (waiting to press +|>> return...) + +Hey, c'mon guys (and gals), I chose my words very carefully and even +tried to get my FAQ's straight. Don't holler BOHICA at me! + +---------------------------------------------------------------------- +| |\/\/\/| ___________________ | +| | | / \ | +| | | / Jamie W. Burnside \ 1980 CB900 Custom | +| | (o)(o) ( jburnside@ll.mit.edu ) 1985 KDX200 (SOLD!) | +| C _) / \_____________________/ 1978 CB400 (for sale) | +| | ,___| / | +| | / | +| / __\ | +| / \ | +---------------------------------------------------------------------- +";7;True +"From: spiegel@sgi413.msd.lmsc.lockheed.com (Mark Spiegel) +Subject: Re: Bay area media (Wings-Leafs coverage) +Organization: Personal Opinions Inc. +Lines: 41 + +In article <1993Apr20.031840.18636@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca> maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) writes: +>In dreier@durban.berkeley.edu (Roland Dreier) writes: +> +>>The San Francisco Bay area media is reporting tonight that the Detroit +>>Red Wings beat the Toronto Maple Leafs 6-3. Can someone who is not +>>part of the media conspiracy against the Leafs tell me how the game +>>really went (I am expecting a 4-0 win for the Leafs, shutout for +>>Potvin, hat trick for Andreychuk and a goal and 3 assists for +>>Gilmour). If the Leafs really lost, how many penalties did whichever +>>biased ref was at the game have to call against the Leafs to let the +>>Red Wings win? +> +>Ah yes. California. Did the San Francisco Bay area media report that +>Joe Montana is rumoured to be the leading candidate to replace fired +>San Jose Sharks coach George Kingston? Apparently Montana is not only +>coveted for his winning attitude, but as a playing coach he will be +>expected to quarterback the powerplay. + + Close Roger, but no banana, er avocado or is it artichoke ?!? + + Geracie in the Murky News said Kingston will be the new 49ers + quarterback. I'm still trying to determine if he is kidding + or not :). If I happen to pound down enuff pints sometime + this week I'll go back and check what stooper idiot Purdy + said in his column. That ought to be worth a few Leafs, I + mean Laughs. If I'm really depressed I'll read the SF Comicle. + + mark + + just say + + ##### # # # ###### # # ##### ____ +# # # # # # # # # # # # -_ --__ +# # # # # # # # # # \ --_ + ##### ####### # # ###### ### ##### \ -_ + # # # ####### # # # # # | \ +# # # # # # # # # # # # __________ / \_____ + ##### # # # # # # # # ##### ___________ / \_____ +______________________________________________________________________________ +Mark Spiegel spiegel@lmsc.lockheed.com Cow Palace:108/K/8 Epicenter: ? + +";13;True +"From: noah@apple.com (Noah Price) +Subject: Re: LC III NuBus Capable? +Organization: (not the opinions of) Apple Computer, Inc. +Lines: 18 + +In article <1qkkq4$5ev@nigel.msen.com>, mmiller@garnet.msen.com (Marvin +Miller) wrote: +> +> My friend recently purchased a LC III and he wants to know if there is +> such a demon called NuBus adapter for his PDS slot? CompUsa and +> ComputerCity Supercenter says they don't carry them. +> +> Does this mean LC III is incapable of carrying a NuBus board? + +Apple doesn't make such a card, though I suppose a third party could. One +big problem is that there isn't room for a standard NuBus card inside the +LC III. + +noah + +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ +noah@apple.com Macintosh Hardware Design +...!{sun,decwrl}!apple!noah (not the opinions of) Apple Computer, Inc. +";0;True +"From: erics@netcom.com (Eric Smith) +Subject: Re: The 1964 Phillies: deja vu? +Keywords: Phillies +Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) +Lines: 112 + +Previously I wrote: + +>Yeah, the Phillies played over their heads almost the whole year, +>but it all caught up to them in one 10-game streak. I *am* as old as +>1964 (man!) and I was a big Phillies fan at the time (age 13). +>September '64 is still a painful thing to remember. But I can tell you +>that the Phillies never led the league by 15 that year. Going by memory +>alone, I believe their biggest lead was 7 1/2 games, and they were +>6 1/2 ahead when the famous 10-game losing streak began, a streak +>during which it seemed that they found just about every way to lose +>known to man. Anyway, I think they rebounded just before the end and +>won their last couple games and were still in the thing until the +>final day, but finished tied with the Giants one game out. And didn't +>the Dodgers or somebody else finish two games back? That has to be +>one of the closest last minute scrambles ever. + +OK, you guys stirred up my childhood memories, so I went and did +some research on the final month or so of the 1964 season. It turns +out that my recollections were pretty darn accurate, at least as +far as the Phillies record goes. On September 1 1964 this was the +top of the N.L. standings: + + W L GB +Philadelphia 79 51 - +Cincinnati 74 57 5 1/2 +St. Louis 72 59 7 1/2 +San Francisco 73 60 7 1/2 + +This is a game-by-game description of the remainder of the Phillies' +season: + +Date Score Opponent Lead Pitcher (starting and winner/loser) +9/1 4-3 Houston 5 1/2 Bunning (15-4) +9/2 2-1 Houston 5 1/2 Short (15-7) +9/3 0-6 Houston 5 1/2 Bennett (9-12) +9/4 5-3 San Francisco 6 1/2 Mahaffey; Baldschun (6-5) +9/5 ??Win San Francisco 6 1/2 Bunning (16-4) +9/6 3-4 San Francisco 5 1/2 Short; Baldschun (6-6) +9/7 5-1 Los Angeles Bennett (10-12) + 1-3 Los Angeles 6 1/2 Wise (5-3) +9/8 2-3 Los Angeles 6 Mahaffey (12-7) +9/9 5-10/11 St. Louis 5 Bunning; Baldschun (6-7) + (Cardinals take over 2nd place from Cincinnati) +9/10 5-1 St. Louis 6 Short (16-7) +9/11 1-0 San Francisco 6 Bennett (11-12) +9/12 1-9 San Francisco 6 Mahaffey (12-8) + (Giants move into a tie for 2nd with St. Louis) +9/13 4-1/10 San Francisco 6 Bunning (17-4) + (Cardinals back in sole possesion of 2nd place) +9/14 4-1 Houston 6 1/2 Short (17-7) +9/15 1-0 Houston 6 Bennett (12-12) +9/16 5-6 Houston 6 Bunning (17-5) +9/17 4-3 Los Angeles 6 1/2 Wise; Schantz (2-4) +9/18 3-4 Los Angeles 6 Short; Baldschun (6-8) +9/19 3-4/16 Los Angeles 5 1/2 Bennett; Baldschun (6-9) +9/20 3-2 Los Angeles 6 1/2 Bunning (18-5) + (Reds move back into tie for 2nd with Cardinals) + +Well so far so good for the Phillies. But now it all falls apart ... + +9/21 0-1 Cincinnati 5 1/2 Mahaffey (12-9) + (Reds take sole possesion of 2nd place) +9/22 2-9 Cincinnati 4 1/2 Short (17-8) +9/23 4-6 Cincinnati 3 1/2 Bennett (12-13) +9/24 3-5 Milwaukee 3 Bunning (18-6) +9/25 5-7/12 Milwaukee 1 1/2 Short; Boozer (3-4) + (Cards now 2 1/2 back in 3rd, Giants 3 1/2 in 4th) +9/26 4-6 Milwaukee 1/2 Mahaffey; Schantz (2-5) +9/27 8-14 Milwaukee -1 Bunning (18-7) + (Phils lose 7 1/2 games in 7 days; Reds take over 1st, + Cardinals 1 1/2 back in 3rd) +9/28 1-5 St. Louis -1 1/2 Short(17-9) + (Cardinals take over 2nd place, Phils drop to 3rd) +9/29 2-4 St. Louis -1 1/2 Bennett (12-14) + (Reds and Cardinals now tied for 1st) +9/30 5-8 St. Louis -2 1/2 Bunning (18-8) + (Cardinals take 1/2 game lead over Reds) +10/1 4-3 Cincinnati -1 1/2 Short; Roebuck (5-3) + (Phillies halt 10-game losing streak; Cards lead Reds by 1/2 game) +10/2 Did not play; Cards lose to Mets, Reds tied for 1st, Phils 1 game back +10/3 10-0 Cincinnati -1 Bunning (19-8) + (Cards beat Mets, take first by 1 from Reds and Phillies) + +Whew! what a finish! And the final standings were: + + W L GB +St. Louis 93 69 - +Philadelphia 92 70 1 +Cincinnati 92 70 1 +San Francisco 90 72 3 + +Now it doesn't appear to me that Phillies pitchers Bunning and Short +were really overused, at least by the four-man rotation standard of +the day, until well along into the 10-game losing streak, at which +time Mauch was probably desperate for a win at any cost because the +Phillies substantial lead had evaporated. The way they were used at +that time may have made the problem worse, although Bunning had one +of his sharpest games of the year in the final day 10-0 shutout of +the Reds that cost the Reds a share of the pennant. Bunning pitched +a complete game six-hitter, striking out five and walking one. It +would be inetersting to see, though, how the total innings for the +year for Bunning and Short stacks up against the rest of the league. +Also notice that the Phillies played every day from at least September 1 +through October 1; while they didn't play substantially more games than +the other teams, the other teams each had a couple days off during that +stretch. + +----- +Eric Smith +erics@netcom.com +erics@infoserv.com +CI$: 70262,3610 +";14;True +"Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, academic Computer Center +From: Jason Kratz +Subject: Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card +Distribution: usa +Lines: 28 + +In article <1qvff6INN9p4@clem.handheld.com>, jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De +Arras) says: +> +>In article <93109.172450U28037@uicvm.uic.edu> Jason Kratz +>[...] +> +>> It is kind of funny though how you were the only one who picked up +>> the part about my sister being a social worker and keeping me up to date on +>the +>> gang thing. Everyone else seemed to just skim by that part. +>> +>> Jason +> +> +>I guess that just means ""Everyone else"" was mistaken? +> +>Jim +> +>jmd@handheld.com +>------------------------------------------------------------------------------ +>- +Actually not Jim. I just said that everyone else seemed to have skimmed by +that part and not mentioned it. You can get whatever meaning you want from it. + +Jason + + + +";3;True +"From: easu351@orion.oac.uci.edu (Suzanna T. Chow) +Subject: (update) Pioneer DEH-M980 car CD Reciever for SALE! +Nntp-Posting-Host: orion.oac.uci.edu +Summary: (update) Pioneer DEH-M980 car CD Reciever for SALE! +Keywords: pionneer +Lines: 15 + +features include: + +Detachable Face, 30x4 watt amplifier, Infra-red Remote, 8 times oversampling +1 bit DAC, supertuner IV (18fm and 6am presets), best station memory +CD Changer Controller, loud switch, clock + +all original packaging, asking $450.00 (or best offer) + +This CD reciever is a very nice radio, great condition, the remote comes in very +handy (you wouldn't think it would), TOP of the line CD Reciever + +Interested! send email to Brion Sohn at (easu351@orion.oac.uci.edu) + any resonable offers will be considered + +******Latest offer $400.00 (including shipping)********* +";8;True +"From: joe13+@pitt.edu (Joseph B Stiehm) +Subject: Re: How to beat Pittsburgh! +Organization: University of Pittsburgh +Lines: 20 + +In article <1993Apr15.214902.3372@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu> apanjabi@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu writes: +... +>>HOW TO BEAT PITTSBURGH??? +... +> III.Kevin Stevens +> A.Fighting +> 1.Call Bob Probert +> 2.Call Tie Domi +> 3.Call my grandmother (She'd kick his ass) +> + +Yeah...I've seen you're grand mother...I bet she could. + +Joseph Stiehm + + + + + + +";13;True +"From: Will Steeves +Subject: Re: Anita Hill...giving out pubic hairs?! Oh please! PROVE IT!! +X-To: THEODORE A. KALDIS +Organization: The Zoo of Ids +Lines: 100 + +kaldis@romulus.rutgers.edu (Theodore A. Kaldis) writes... +>In article <1993Mar20.161551.4638@zooid.guild.org> goid@zooid.guild.org (Will S +>eeves) writes: + +>[J. Lani Herrmann:] + +>>>> We are wondering why the Clinton administration is having so much +>>>> trouble finding a suitable nominee for the post of Attorney General, +>>>> when there is an obviously superior candidate:... + +>>>> We refer, of course, to Prof. Anita Hill. + +>[Michael Friedman:] + +>>> Probably because if they pick her the Republicans will investigate +>>> the rumors that she sometimes returned papers to her students with +>>> a couple of pubic hairs inserted between the pages. + +>> While I'm hardly one of Prof. Hill's biggest fans, I find *this* hard +>> to believe. + +>> Could you please supply (with a post, preferably) some proof of this, +>> ie., newspaper articles documenting such allegations, etc.? + +>Well, your ignorance about this is unsurprising, given you're a +>Canadian. And I'm at a complete loss at to why you should be so +>interested in this, given that it is an American issue which should +>properly be of absolutely no concern to you at all. + +Actually, my interest in gender issues is not limited to international +boundaries. Indeed, I often exchange information with Americans about +issues which concern us, in both countries. + + +>In any event, in +>answer to your question, the following is taken from David Brock's +>article, ""The Real Anita Hill"", published in the March 1992 issue of +>_The_American_Spectator_. [This is taken from page 27.] + ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ + +Ah...someone had mentioned this journal, but gave no further information. + + +> But the most bizarre incident is alleged to have happened in the +> school year 1983-84 at Oral Roberts [University], according to a +> sworn affidavit, dated October 13, 1991, and filed with the Senate +> Judiciary Committee, in which Lawrence Shiles, now a lawyer in +> Tulsa, recounted the following: + +> Shortly after the class had begun, Professor Hill gave us a +> written assignment which I completed and duly turned in. When +> this assignment was passed out to the class after having been +> marked by [the] professor, sitting next to me were fellow +> students Jeffrey Londoff and Mark Stewart. Upon opening the +> assignments and reviewing our grades and comments made by Anita +> Hill, I found ten to twelve short black pubic hairs in the pages +> of my assignment. I glanced over at Jeff Londoff's assignment +> and saw similar pubic hairs in his work. At the time I made the +> statement to Londoff that either she had a low opinion of our +> work or she had graded our assignment in the bathroom. Mark +> Stewart overheard the conversation and said that he had similar +> pubic hairs in his assignment also. This became the standing +> joke among many students for the remainder of the year in +> classes. + +> Other students in that class confirmed the story. Londoff says +> he couldn't be certain that the hairs were pubic, but he said he +> thought it was unlikely that they could have come from Hill's head, +> since they were short, coarse, and curly, and Hill had had the hair +> on her head straightened. Another student who saw the hair, but +> did not want to be identified, said of its origins: ""You just know +> when you see it."" + +>Does this satisfy you, + +Yes, thank you, though I am really curious as to why this never came out +(at least not in what I saw, up here in Canada, or on CNN, which is sent +up here) during the Thomas nomination hearings. Surely, one would think +that her claim to having been sexually harassed, would have a great deal +less credibility if it could be shown that she had herself been guilty of it. + + +>or do you regard sworn statements given to a +>U.S. Senate committee as equivalent to toilet paper? + +Ahemmm.... It depends. :-) + +(For instance, if it were the ""sworn statements"" at the Warren Commission, +then yes, I _would_ say that the statements were no better than toilet +paper, used at that :-), but in most cases, the answer would be ""no""). + +--- +Will Steeves, goid@zooid.guild.org ""Neil Hull is GOiD"" +ZOOiD BBS, Toronto, Ontario - The Zoo Of Ids ""GOiDS Rule"" +(416) 322-7876 + +""Solve Patriarchy, Install Peterarchy"" + - Peter J. Hanus, B.A. (UPEI) + + * SLMR 2.1a * Scott me up, Beamy. +";18;True +"From: dduff@col.hp.com (Dave Duff) +Subject: Re: Did US drive on the left? +Article-I.D.: hp-col.1pqtq1INNj5c +Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division +Lines: 4 +NNTP-Posting-Host: fajita19.cs.itc.hp.com + +Left hand steering wheel placement was not standard until the 20's in the +US. Driving on the right has been standard since standards came into being. +Interestingly, Chrysler has just begun building right hand drive cars again +for export to Japan. +";10;True +"From: dhartung@chinet.chi.il.us (Dan Hartung) +Subject: Gateway Telepath Modem -- getting v.32bis +Summary: I get garbage no matter what settings I try +Organization: Chinet - Public Access UNIX +Distribution: na +Lines: 29 + +I have had a Gateway Telepath modem for about a month or so now. +Actually, I had one that wouldn't connect to ANYTHING no matter +what software I used, so I got a new one sent to me. This allows +me to connect to my favorite News system with ZERO problems. So +I'm somewhat happier .... + +But I still cannot connect to my favorite DOS bbs with any kind +of reliability. I have success about 1/10 calls. Not good! I +would hope that the fact that this one can connect to at least +ONE of my fave places means I just need to adjust it. + +What I usually get is a fast stream of garbage, in the modem response +line on the dial window. Sometimes it will drop to full screen mode +first, then I get about 2-3 screens of garbage. In both cases the +modem seems to time out before connecting and drops carrier. + +I am using DEFAULT settings (AT&F) and getting this problem. I +am using the AUTOCONFIGURE settings that Gateway has supplied with +my copy of Qmodem (ATW1&C1&D2S95=44&W0) and getting this problem. +(They have refused to help me beyond this, claiming ""it must be +the BBS"" or something like that. Not so -- my work modem connects +to this same place just fine, using factory settings -- a Microcom.) + +Anyone have any ideas?! +-- + | Next: a Waco update ... an Ohio prison update ... a Bosnia update ... a | + | Russian update ... an abortion update ... and a Congressional update ... | + | here on SNN: The Standoff News Network. All news, all standoff, all day | + Daniel A. Hartung -- dhartung@chinet.chinet.com -- Ask me about Rotaract +";5;True +"From: richk@grebyn.com (Richard Krehbiel) +Subject: Re: IDE vs SCSI +In-Reply-To: wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca's message of Sat, 17 Apr 1993 20:42:47 GMT +Lines: 30 +Organization: Grebyn Timesharing, Inc. + +In article <1993Apr17.204247.6741@julian.uwo.ca> wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith) writes: + +> In article wayne@amtower.spacecoast.orgX-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16f (10.17.92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith writes: +> +> >> but I still want to know why it intrinsically better +> >> (than IDE, on an ISA bus) when it comes to multi-tasking OS's when +> >> managing data from a single SCSI hard drive. +> > +> >A SCSI controller that transfers data by DMA allows the cpu to request data +> >from the hard drive and continue working while the controller gets the data +> >and moves it to memory. +> +> IDE also uses DMA techniques. I believe floppy controller also uses DMA, +> and most A/D boards also use DMA. DMA is no big deal, and has nothing to +> do directly with SCSI. + +IDE does not do DMA. This is because it's like te PC AT hard disk +interface. The controller moves a sector to some buffer memory on the +controller card, then the CPU moves the data from the buffer to main +memory where it's needed. If IDE doesn't work this way, then it's not +compatible. + +Heck, if IDE used DMA, then you'd hear all kinds of complaints about +ISA bus systems with more than 16M RAM not working with their IDE +drives. 16M is the DMA addressing limit of the ISA bus, and if IDE +did DMA there would be trouble. + +(BTW, there are DMA-enabling signals in the IDE cable spec, but the +last report I heard was that they are never implemented, because it +would require a different kind of IDE adapter and different drivers.) +-- +Richard Krehbiel richk@grebyn.com +OS/2 2.0 will do for me until AmigaDOS for the 386 comes along... +";5;True +"From: howp@skyfox +Subject: Thoughts on a 1982 Yamaha Seca Turbo? +Organization: University of Saskatchewan +Lines: 16 +NNTP-Posting-Host: sask.usask.ca + +I was wondering if anybody knows anything about a Yamaha Seca Turbo. I'm +considering buying a used 1982 Seca Turbo for $1300 Canadian (~$1000 US) +with 30,000 km on the odo. This will be my first bike. Any comments? + +Thanks. + +Peter How +Institute of Space and Atmospheric Studies +University of Saskatchewan, +Saskatoon, Saskatchewan +CANADA +(306) 966-6452 +IN::how@skisas.usask.ca +********************************************************************** +* 1983 clapped-out Ford Truck * +********************************************************************** +";7;True +"From: Petch@gvg47.gvg.tek.com (Chuck Petch) +Subject: Daily Verse +Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley, CA +Lines: 4 + +Therefore, whoever humbles himself like this child is the greatest in the +kingdom of heaven. + +Matthew 18:4 +";17;True +"From: s0xjg@exnet.co.uk (Xavier Gallagher) +Subject: Re: So Why Does Clayton Cramer Fixate on Molesting Children +Organization: ExNet Systems Ltd Public Access News, London, UK +Lines: 32 + +In article <93093.073457RIPBC@CUNYVM.BITNET> RIPBC@CUNYVM.BITNET writes: +>From: cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) +>- +>-2. The homosexuals have gotten a law passed in California that +>-makes it illegal to discriminate against a person in employment +>-based on their sexual orientation -- and not defined sexual +>-orientation. Pedophilia is a sexual orientation. +>- +> + + + + + +GOT HIM! Cramer is now claiming that pedophilia is a sexual orientation +rather than a chronicly homosexual condition. This changes the whole +argument in as much that is pedophilia is a sexual orientation all +of its own peds cannot be called homosexual. Peds are peds who +may have a preference as to the sex of the child they molest (though +most do not have a preference) but that is a subset of their basic +ped nature. + +Cramer has as much as admitted that peds and gay men are different +orientations. All we need now is to get him to admit that +the apparent similarities he keeps on about are just optical illusions. + +xavier +-- +* Xavier Gallagher*************************** Play *************************** +* Cheap * Part time Dark Overlord * by ** s0xjg@exnet.co.uk ****** +* World Wide UUCP * Of the universe * email *************************** +* Feeds & E-mail *************************** =--> Advanced Dungeons & Dragons +";18;True +"From: ""Douglas Johnson"" +Subject: Unix crypt for DOS +Nntp-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 +Organization: Class Technology Corporation +X-Mailer: PSILink-DOS (3.4) +Lines: 4 + +I've recently moved from Unix to a DOS box and have a number of files +that I used crypt to ""protect"". Does anyone know of a DOS version of +crypt? I've found one, but it insists on six letter keys and I used +some shorter ones. Thanks for your help. -- Doug +";16;True +"From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) +Subject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!! +Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc. +Lines: 33 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: rocket.sw.stratus.com + +In article , tomgift@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tom Gift) writes: + +> No, they didn't have electrical power, but no, I don't find the idea of +> Davidians calmly cooking lunch with gas masks on as the FBI knocks the +> buildings down very credible,either. + +I don't know how quickly YOU can get a woodstove to heat up from a cold +start, but mine takes about three hours. + +> It's not like this whole discussion is relevant. It started when some- +> one made the wholly unsubstantiated allegation that the wood stove ig- +> nited NAPALM the FBI shot into the buildings. + +Mox nix. The BD's were prepared to provide their own heat and light, +and were doing so for weeks while the power was out. That means the +compound contained containers of flammable liquids or gases (that could +be busted by a tank intrusion), plus ignition sources, which no one can +tell for sure were all off at the time. + +> I'm not a groveling apoligist for the feds, far from it. But wild ac- +> cusations like this are ridiculous and obfuscate legitimate criticism of +> their conduct in this whole affair. + +On the contrary. We are proposing alternate scenarios. The people who +are coming to wild conclusions are the feds, who are absolutely positive +how the fire started, even though none of them were in a position to +see it, either (and the stories they ""hear"" from their prisoners changes +hourly). +-- + +cdt@rocket.sw.stratus.com --If you believe that I speak for my company, +OR cdt@vos.stratus.com write today for my special Investors' Packet... + +";3;True +"From: turmoil@halcyon.com (Tim Crowley) +Subject: Re: WACO: Clinton press conference, part 1 +Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc. +Lines: 13 +NNTP-Posting-Host: nwfocus.wa.com + +cathyf@is.rice.edu (Catherine Anne Foulston) writes: + +>Could y'all PLEASE stop posting this stuff to tx.general. tx.politics +>is sufficient and is where this stuff belongs. Thanks. + +> Cathy +>-- +>Cathy Foulston + Rice University + Network & Systems Support + cathyf@rice.edu + +WHY?????????? + + + +";3;True +"From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) +Subject: Re: the usual +Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA +Lines: 54 + +arc@cco.caltech.edu (Aaron Ray Clements) writes: + +>Yes, I am pro-gun, and yes, I do disagree with this statement. +>Nuclear weapons in and of themselves are dangerous. Radioactive +>decay of plutonium and uranium, as well as the tritium in the +>weapon, tends to be somewhat dangerous to living things. +>(Can you say ""neutron flux""?) + + Can you say, ""I get more background radiation from living in +Denver or having an office in a limestone building than I do standing +next to a power reactor at full power or standing next to a nuclear +warhead that is armed?"" Look up ""shielding"" in your dictionary. You +don't need six feet of lead to make decent shielding; your dead skin +cell layer does an excellent job on alpha particles, and neutrons +are slowed by mere *water*. What do you think 75% of you is? + +> Plus these things have no self- +>defense purposes. It's kinda hard to justify their use as +>a militia weapon when at best they are meant for battlefield use +>(low-yield weapons) or at worst for industrial target obliteration +>(translation: cities and population centers). + + If the militia has as its job the overthrow of an illegal +government, they are indeed useful weapons to the militia. They +won't be too useful in certain areas, but leveling the Pentagon +would be a ""good thing"" for said overthrow and it's likely one man +carrying a backpack would stand a better chance than one thousand +armed with Colt Peacemakers. Don't let self-defense become the +only reason you can have a gun and your sole means of justification. +Myself, I won't overthrow my government until it ceases to be my +legal government, but if I need to I want every weapon I can get. + + One can just as easily say no rifle larger than a .22 is +needed to kill a human being. They are right. When that human +being is wearing armor and riding in an APC, things get a bit +different. I don't see where the weapon is a problem. It's not. +Only the manner of use is in contention here. + +> Not to mention that +>for it to be used as a militia weapon and expect the user to live +>requires some sort of launch vehicle . . . + + I guess you either don't have an alarm clock or have never +heard the terms ""timer"" or ""martyr"" either. Don't forget remote +detonation devices. That CB radio in the pickup next to you can +easily transmit ten miles in decent weather. That's out of the +blast radius of many portable nuclear devices. + + Just what is it about radioactive decay that has you worried? + +< Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu viking@iastate.edu > +< ISU only censors what I read, not what I say. Don't blame them. > +< USENET: Post to exotic, distant machines. Meet exciting, > +< unusual people. And flame them. > +";3;True +"From: VEAL@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) +Subject: Re: ""militia"" (incredibly long) +Lines: 47 +Organization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education + +In article jrutledg@cs.ulowell.edu (John Lawrence Rutledge) writes: + +>In article <1qna9m$nq8@transfer.stratus.com>, cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes: +>-> +>-> Again, my response is, ""so what?"" Is Mr. Rutledge arguing that since +>-> the local and federal governments have abandoned their charter to support +>-> such activity, and passed laws prohibiting private organizations from +>-> doing so, that they have eliminated the basis for the RKBA? On the +>-> contrary, to anyone who understands the game, they have strengthened it. +> +>No, I originally argued that the Second Amendment was ""a little bit +>and an anachronism."" These prohibiting laws are examples why the are +>an anachronism. After all, laws in made by representatives of the +>people. These representatives of the people have already decided +>that the Second Amendment does not apply or is too broad in some +>cases. Since these representatives feel an unconditional +>interpretation is not wanted, then it is probable that they majority +>of the people feel the same way. If this is so, it is an example +>of the people using their power of government. If this is not +>how the people feel, the people should stand up and state their wishes. + + I'll point out that the whole point of the difficult amendment +process was to require a super-majority to change the Supreme Law, +making it impossible for a ""majority"" of the people to simply change +the law on a whim. Simply changing the meaning based on ""the +representatives"" of the people effectively destroys the amendment +process. The State's, you know, are also entitled to a say under +that process. + +>> Mox nix, Mr. Rutledge. YOU are the only one here claiming that the +>-> RKBA is dependent on the existence of a top-flight, well-regulated +>-> militia. Why this is a false assumption has already been posted a +>-> number of times. +> +>No, I simple stated that the people have a right to ""join a well +>organized militia."" + + I'll note that that right could be considered protected under +the first amendment's protection of peaceful assembly. Unless +you would consider a militia inherently non-peaceful, then they've +stated the same thing twice. + +------------------------------------------------------------------------ +David Veal Univ. of Tenn. Div. of Cont. Education Info. Services Group +PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu - ""I still remember the way you laughed, the day +your pushed me down the elevator shaft; I'm beginning to think you don't +love me anymore."" - ""Weird Al"" +";3;True +"From: stamber@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Kevin L. Stamber) +Subject: LIST OF TEE TIMES AT METROPOLITAN TORONTO GOLF COURSES FOR MONDAY +Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network +Lines: 6 + +;^) + +Kevin L. Stamber +Purdue University +...and Phil Kirzyc (The Kielbasa Kid) will roam the Arena for interviews. + +";13;True +"From: mchamberland@violet.uwaterloo.ca (Marc Chamberland) +Subject: Re: God-shaped hole (was Re: ""Accepting Jeesus in your heart..."") +Organization: University of Waterloo +Lines: 17 + +In article , fraseraj@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Andrew J Fraser) writes: +> [Several people were involved in trying to figure out who first used +> the phrase ""God-shaped hole"". --clh] +> +> ""There is a God shaped vacuum in all of us"" (or something to that effect) is +> generally attributed to Blaise Pascal. + +I believe this is a just another of way of expressing the basic truth +""All things were created by him and FOR him."" (emphasis mine) +Col. 1:16 , Rev. 4:11. If you and I have been created for God, naturally +there will be a vacuum if God is not our all and all. In fact, +the first chapter of Collosians brings out this status of Christ, that +He should have the preeminence. When you life is alligned with Him, +and you do His will, then the vacuum is filled. + +Marc Chamberland +mchamberland@violet.uwaterloo.ca +";17;True +"From: ptorre@hardy.u.washington.edu (Phil Torre) +Subject: Re: Suggestions on Audio relays ??? +Organization: University of Washington, Seattle +Lines: 18 +NNTP-Posting-Host: hardy.u.washington.edu + +>In article billq@ms.uky.edu (Billy Quinn) writes: +>>I built a little project using the radio shack 5vdc relays to switch +>>audio. I got pretty bad 'clicks' when the thing switched. +> +>> Is there a good relay/relay circuit that I can use for switching +>>audio, so that there will be *NO* noise of any kind on the audio lines. +> +I missed the first part of this thread; are you switching line level or +speaker level audio? +If line level, there's a single chip 4x1 *stereo* audio switch available +that switches 4 two-channel inputs into 1 two-channel output, and also +has a mute function, all controllable with ttl inputs. LM1037, I think? + +If speaker level, never mind. :( + +Phil Torre (ptorre@u.washington.edu) + + +";11;True +"From: whaley@sigma.kpc.com (Ken Whaley) +Subject: Re: XCopyPlane Question +In-Reply-To: nancie@neko.CSS.GOV's message of 14 Apr 1993 15:19:05 -0400 +Organization: Kubota Pacific Computer Inc. +Lines: 88 + +> +> I am trying to use XCopyPlane to copy a single plane +> from a depth-8 pixmap to a depth-1 pixmap. Everytime I +> try this, I see absolutely nothing displayed. I know there +> is data in the depth-8 pixmap becuase I have checked by doing +> an XCopyArea to the screen. +> +> I have been successful getting XCopyPlane to work if I use +> two pixmaps of depth-8. Is there a problem with what I am +> trying to do?? +> +> Could someone please scan my code segment and let me know +> where I am going wrong... +> +> I have created a XmDrawingArea widget called canvas. +> +> w_id = XtWindow(canvas); +> display = XtDisplay(canvas); +> screen = DefaultScreen (display); +> pixmap8 = XCreatePixmap (display, RootWindow (display, screen), +> w_width, w_height, DefaultDepth (display, screen)); +> pixmap1 = XCreatePixmap (display, RootWindow (display, screen), +> w_width, w_height, 1); +> +> w_gc8 = XCreateGC (display, w_id, 0, NULL); +> w_gc1 = XCreateGC (display, pixmap1, 0, NULL); +> +> --> Code to read xwd image into pixmap8 is omitted <---- +> + +Have you set the foreground and background colors in w_gc1 to +something other than 0 and 1? The WhitePixel and BlackPixel macros +on your server may not return values suitable for depth 1 drawables. + + +> /* Copy one plane into the depth-1 pixmap */ +> XCopyPlane (display, pixmap8, pixmap1, +> w_gc1, 0, 0, w_width, w_height, 0, 0, 16); +> + +Are you sure that the fifth plane of the data isn't all the same? You could +have different pixel values in the image, but the fifth plane (0x10 == 16) +might all be the same value? + + +> /* Using the depth-1 pixmap as the clipmask, copy it to the screen */ +> values.foreground = fg_color; +> values.clip_x_origin = 0; +> values.clip_y_origin = 0; +> values.clip_mask = pixmap1; +> mask = GCForeground | GCClipMask; +> XChangeGC (display, w_gc8, mask, &values); +> +> XFillRectangle (display, w_id, w_gc8, 0, 0, w_width, w_height); +> + + +If you just want to see the plane of data and want better performance, +don't use ClipMasks, just use pixmap1 as the stipple in a stippled +rectangle fill. Many servers are very stupid about handling complex +clip lists, and turn a bitmap clip region into hundreds and hundreds of +little clipping rectangles, and clips every drawing primitive against every +one of these little triangles. + + +Actually, I must also ask the FAQ's #1 most popular reason why graphics +don't show up: do you wait for an expose event before drawing your +rectangle? + + + +> Other Info: X11R5 Patchlevel 10 +> Motif 1.2.1 +> Sun Sparc2 running SunOS 4.1.1 +> +> +> Thanks in Advance! +> +> ---------------------------------------------------------------- +> Nancie P. Marin NET: nancie@neko.css.gov +> ENSCO Inc. MAIL: 445 Pineda Ct. Melbourne, Fl. 32940 +> (407)254-4122 FAX: (407)254-3293 +> ---------------------------------------------------------------- +-- +Kenneth Whaley (408) 748-6347 +Kubota Pacific Computer, Inc. Email: whaley@kpc.com +2630 Walsh Avenue +Santa Clara, CA. 95051 +";12;True +"From: dos@major.panix.com (Dave O'Shea) +Subject: Re: If Drugs Should Be Legalized, How? (was Good Neighbor...) +Organization: Department of Redundancy Department +Lines: 22 + +wdstarr@athena.mit.edu (William December Starr) writes: + +> > However, legalizing it and just sticking some drugs in gas stations to +> > be bought like cigarettes is just plain silly. Plus, I have never +> > heard of a recommended dosage for drugs like crack, ecstasy, chrystal +> > meth and LSD. The 60 Minute Report said it worked with ""cocaine"" +> > cigarettes, pot and heroin. +> +> Or, the government could adopt the radical and probably unAmerican idea +> that citizens are free to live their lives as they wish, and simply +> decriminalize cocaine, marijuana, heroin, LSD, etc. Please explain why +> the idea of allowing recreational drugs to be ""bought like cigarettes"" +> is ""just plain silly."" After all, it works just fine for nicotine... + +I'm all in favor of drug legalization, but I do see some problems with +it. My hope is that people disposed to doing so would simply overdose +quickly, and be done with it, before making a mess of thisgs. + +-- +Let me get this straight: Medical treatment costs too much and is +inefficient, so we're going to let government make it better? + +";18;True +"From: homer@tripos.com (Webster Homer) +Subject: Mind Machines? +Summary: Do mind machines work? +Keywords: mind sleep Light&Sound +Organization: Tripos Associates, Inc. +Lines: 19 + +I recently learned about these devices that supposedly induce specific +brain wave frequencies in their users simply by wearing them. Mind machines +consist of LED gogles, head phones, and a microprocessor that controls them. +They strobe the (closed) eye and send sound pulses in sync with the flashing +LEDs. I understand that these devices are experimental, but they are available. +I've heard claims that they can induce sleep, and light trance states for +relaxation. Essentially they are supposed to work without aid of drugs etc... +I would think that if they work as reported they would be incredibly useful, +The few sources I've seen are biased (they are selling the things, and a +friend who has tried them claims that ""every home should have one""). So +do these mind machines (aka Light and Sound machines) work? can they induce +alpha, theta, and/or delta waves in a person wearing them? What research if +any has been done on them? Could they be used in lieu of a tranquilizer? +Or are they just another bit of quackery? + +Web Homer + +homer@tripos.com + +";4;True +"From: Eugene.Bigelow@ebay.sun.com (Geno ) +Subject: Re: When are two people married in God's e +Reply-To: Eugene.Bigelow@ebay.sun.com +Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. +Lines: 8 + +|In article >randerso@acad1.sahs.uth.tmc.edu (Robert Anderson) writes: +|>I would like to get your opinions on this: when exactly does an engaged +|>couple become ""married"" in God's eyes? + +|Not if they are unwilling to go through a public marriage ceremony, +|nor if they say they are willing but have not actually done so. + + How do you know this? +";17;True +"From: mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) +Subject: 'Easter' not derived from 'Ishtar' +Organization: AI Programs, University of Georgia, Athens +Lines: 22 + +Several recent posts have identified the English word 'Easter' with +the Babylonian goddess 'Ishtar'. + +'Easter' is a pagan word all right, but it has nothing to do with Ishtar. +If 'Easter' and 'Ishtar' were related, their history would show it. +But in Old English, Easter was 'Eostre', cognate with English 'East' +and German 'Ost'. The reconstructed Proto-Germanic form is 'Austron'. +Not until after 1400 did 'Easter' have a high front vowel like 'Ishtar'. +Clearly, the two words have quite separate origins. + +There may be neo-pagans who worship Ishtar at Easter, but if so, they +are making either a mistake of etymology, or a deliberate play on words. + +-- Michael Covington (Ph.D., linguistics) + + + +-- +:- Michael A. Covington, Associate Research Scientist : ***** +:- Artificial Intelligence Programs mcovingt@ai.uga.edu : ********* +:- The University of Georgia phone 706 542-0358 : * * * +:- Athens, Georgia 30602-7415 U.S.A. amateur radio N4TMI : ** *** ** <>< +";17;True +"From: amolitor@moink.nmsu.edu (Andrew Molitor) +Subject: What the clipper nay-sayers sound like to me. +Organization: Department of Mathematical Sciences +Lines: 55 +Distribution: na +NNTP-Posting-Host: moink.nmsu.edu +Originator: amolitor@moink.nmsu.edu + + The following is available in some FTP archive somewhere, I insert +my comments liberally throughout this demonic memo of Big Brotherdom: + +> White House Announcement on Screw Thread Standards +> -------------------------------------------------- +> +> This is to announce that the American National Standards +>Institute (or whatever it is) has been given the authority to define +>standard dimensions for screw threads. + + Look! This is clearly the first step toward outlawing our + own screw thread specifications. If this madness isn't fought, + tooth and nail, every step of the way, it'll be a crime to use + screw threads other than those our Fearless Leaders so *graciously* + define for us. + +> The purpose of this is to permit industry to draw upon a standard +>pool of specifications and designations, to ensure interoperability of +>various threaded objects across vendors. + + Rubbish, I say! ANSI standard screw threads will have subtle weaknesses, + allowing their agents to disassemble our automobiles more easily, + causing our mufflers to fall off at inoppurtune moments. + +> Questions and Answers on the ANSI screw thread standards +> -------------------------------------------------------- +> +>Q: Will the screw threads defined by ANSI be as good as other screw thread +>designs available elsewhere? +> +>A: Yes. + + Hah! ""trust us"" + +>Q: Will I be able to use my own screw threads if I desire? +> +>A: Of course, but this will make your threaded objects unlikely to +>interoperate correctly with others within the industry. + + See??! See? This is the first step. + + It is clear we must band together, write your congressman! +Use Pretty Good Screw Threads, not this devil-inspired ANSI trash. +Protect your constitutional right to use whatever screw thread you +desire. Guerilla Screw Thread Activism must become the order of the +day. Boycott GM, and build your own car, using screws from STZ +Screw Thread Associates. + + Screw you, Bill Clinton! You and your totalitarianist thugs! + +------------------------------------------------------------------------ +amolitor@nmsu.edu | finger for PGST personal screw thread pitch, or +Screw Threads | see the screw thread servers. +must be freed! | +------------------------------------------------------------------------ +";16;True +"From: gtoal@gtoal.com (Graham Toal) +Subject: Re: Off the shelf cheap DES keyseach machine (Was: Re: Corporate acceptance of the wiretap chip) +Lines: 9 + + I think I should also point out that the mystical DES engines + are known plaintext engines (unless you add a ton of really smart + hardware?) + +Assume the ton of smart hardware. It doesn't really have to be that smart. + +G + + +";16;True +"From: schauf@iastate.edu (Brian J Schaufenbuel) +Subject: Philips 17"" monitor +Keywords: 17"" monitor +Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA +Distribution: usa +Lines: 26 + + + +Does anybody have an opinion on the Philips 1762DT 17"" monitor? How does it +compare to the Nanao 17""? I am looking for a good 17"" (like many other +net'ers) and found a good price for the Philips. Here some the specs: + + Sony Trinitron tube + digital micro control + 1280x1024 NI + .25 dp + 300x225 mm display area + to 100 Hz refresh + anti-glare, MPR-II... + auto-scan 30-64 kHz + +Why don't I ever see this monitor for sale (ONE company in Apr computer shopper) +What is the 1764DC? What is the best price around for this?.... + +and how 'bout that MAG 17""? I love my MAG 15"" (except for that little color +alignment thing on the l/r edges)... + +-- +_______________________________________- Brian Schaufenbuel____________________ +| Brian J Schaufenbuel [ ""There is no art which one government sooner learns ] +| Helser 3644 Halsted [ than that of draining money from the pockets of the ] +| Ames, Ia 50012 [ people [especially college students]."" - Adam Smith ] +";5;True +"From: kph2q@onyx.cs.Virginia.EDU (Kenneth Hinckley) +Subject: VOICE INPUT -- vendor information needed +Reply-To: kph2q@onyx.cs.Virginia.EDU (Kenneth Hinckley) +Organization: University of Virginia +Lines: 27 + + +Hello, + I am looking to add voice input capability to a user interface I am +developing on an HP730 (UNIX) workstation. I would greatly appreciate +information anyone would care to offer about voice input systems that are +easily accessible from the UNIX environment. + + The names or adresses of applicable vendors, as well as any +experiences you have had with specific systems, would be very helpful. + + Please respond via email; I will post a summary if there is +sufficient interest. + + +Thanks, +Ken + + +P.S. I have found several impressive systems for IBM PC's, but I would +like to avoid the hassle of purchasing and maintaining a separate PC if +at all possible. + +------------------------------------------------------------------------------- +Ken Hinckley (kph2q@virginia.edu) +University of Virginia +Neurosurgical Visualization Laboratory +------------------------------------------------------------------------------- +";1;True +"Subject: [rw] Is Robert Weiss the only orthodox Christian? +From: +Organization: Brigham Young University +Lines: 12 + + + Robert, you keep making references to ""orthodox"" belief, and saying things +like ""it is held that..."" (cf. ""Kermit"" thread). On what exact body of +theology are you drawing for what you call ""orthodox?"" Who is that ""holds +that"" Luke meant what you said he meant? Whenever your personal interpretation +of Biblical passages is challenged, your only response seems +to be that one needs merely to ""look at the Bible"" in order to see the truth, +but what of those who see Biblical things differently from you? Are we to +simply assume that you are the only one who really understands it? + Just curious, +-- +Rick Anderson librba@BYUVM.BITNET +";19;True +"From: sorlin@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steven J Orlin) +Subject: Re: Changing oil by self. +Keywords: n +Nntp-Posting-Host: magnusug.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu +Organization: The Ohio State University +Distribution: usa +Lines: 18 + + +In article <1993Apr15.135514.29579@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> rdb1@cbnewsj.cb.att.com +(ronald.j.deblock..jr) writes: + +>You can avoid these problems entirely by installing an oil drain valve in +>place of the bolt. I have one on both of my cars. There have been no +>leaks in 210,000 miles (combined miles on both cars). + +Yes, but then someone would have no problem draining your oil in a parking lot. + +all they have to do is reach underneath, turn a valve, and forget the trip +home. +But there is less likelyhood they have a wrench with them. + +I personally recommend, installing a 'special' locking drain plug to keep +vandals away. :---) + +steve +";10;True +"From: klier@iscsvax.uni.edu +Subject: Re: Modified sense of taste in Cancer pt? +Organization: University of Northern Iowa +Lines: 16 + +In article <1993Apr21.134848.19017@peavax.mlo.dec.com>, lunger@helix.enet.dec.com (Dave Lunger) writes: +> +> What does a lack of taste of foods, or a sense of taste that seems ""off"" +> when eating foods in someone who has cancer mean? What are the possible +> causes of this? Why does it happen? + +I can't answer most of your questions, but I've seen it happen in +family members who are being treated with radiation and/or chemotherapy. +Jory Graham published a cookbook many years ago (in cooperation with +the American Cancer Society, I think) called ""Something has to taste +good"" (as I recall). + +The cookbook was just what we needed several times when favorite foods +suddenly became ""yech"". + +Kay Klier Biology Dept UNI +";4;True +"From: philly@ravel.udel.edu (Robert C Hite) +Subject: Re: Old Predictions to laugh at... +Nntp-Posting-Host: ravel.udel.edu +Organization: University of Delaware +Lines: 24 + + +In article <1993Apr15.160316.9170@cs.cornell.edu> tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes: +> +>Oops! I came across this file from last year. Thought you might +>enjoy some of these thoughts. The predictions were made on the +>date indicated. They are largely out of order. + +much crap deleted + +>>3. Managers to be fired this year (1992) in chronological order: +>>Fregosi, Showalter, Valentine, Riddoch +> +>Three of them went, right? Showalter is still around (and likely to +>stick, it seems). + +DEAD WRONG! Last time I checked, Jim Fregosi was still managing the +Phillies, and doing quite a fine job thank you...best record in +baseball at 8-1 + +MY PREDICTION FOR 1993: +Jim Fregosi will win manager of the year in the NL + +(don't flame me..flame the bum who thinks he got fired last year. +PAY ATTENTION KIDDO!) +";14;True +"From: cbetz@radioman.cray.com (Charles Betz {x66442 CF/ENG}) +Subject: NHL team in Milwaukee +Lines: 24 +Nntp-Posting-Host: radioman.cray.com +Organization: Cray Research, Inc. + + +After reading some of the reports of possible NHL moves to Milwaukee or that +Milwaukee should have an NHL team, I thought I'd pass along a story I heard +recently. This is second hand, so I don't know how true it is, but I have +no reason to doubt it either. + +Bradley Center in Milwaukee is home to the Milwaukee Admirals minor leauge +hockey team. The owner of the Admirals (sorry, I can't remember his name) +either owns or at least shelled out the majority of the funds to build the +Bradley Center. + +Supposedly he was approached by the NHL about an expansion franchise, but +turned it down because he thought the franchise fee of $50 million was too +high. + +Like I said, I don't know whether this story is true or just a rumor, but if +it's true, don't look for an NHL team in Milwaukee anytime soon. The Admirals +aren't going to be forced out of the building and you won't see an NHL club +and a minor league club in the same building, especially since the NBA's +Milwaukee Bucks play there as well. + +Charlie Betz +Cray Research, Inc. Chippewa Falls, WI +cbetz@romulus.cray.com +";13;True +"From: Gene.Gross@lambada.oit.unc.edu (Gene Gross) +Subject: Re: DID HE REALLY RISE??? +Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service +Lines: 60 + +In article oser@fermi.wustl.edu (Scott Oser) writes: +> +>And the two simplest refutations are these: +> +>(1) What impact? The only record of impact comes from the New Testament. +>I have no guarantee that its books are in the least accurate, and that +>the recorded ""impact"" actually happened. I find it interesting that no other +>contemporary source records an eclipse, an earthquake, a temple curtain +>being torn, etc. The earliest written claim we have of Jesus' resurrection +>is from the Pauline epistles, none of which were written sooner than 20 years +>after the supposed event. + +First, off I'd say that the impact if right before your eyes! 8-) That we are +even discussing this is a major impact in and of itself. Further, the early +church bears testimony to the impact. + +>(2) It seems probable that no one displayed the body of Jesus because no +>one knew where it was. I personally believe that the most likely +>explanation was that the body was stolen (by disciples, or by graverobbers). +>Don't bother with the point about the guards ... it only appears in one +>gospel, and seems like exactly the sort of thing early Christians might make +>up in order to counter the grave-robbing charge. The New Testament does +>record that Jews believed the body had been stolen. If there were really +>guards, they could not have effectively made this claim, as they did. + +Of course they knew where it was. Don't forget that Jesus was seen by both +the Jews and the Romans as a troublemaker. Pilate was no fool and didn't +need the additional headaches of some fishermen stealing Jesus' body to +make it appear He had arisen. Since Jesus was buried in the grave of a +man well know to the Sanhedrin, to say that they didn't know where He was +buried begs the question. + +Now, you say that you think that the disciples stole the body. But think on +this a moment. Would you die to maintain something you KNEW to be a +deliberate lie!? If not, then why do you think the disciples would!? Now, I'm +not talking about dying for something you firmly believe to be the truth, +but unbeknown to you, it is a lie. Many have done this. No, I'm talking about +dying, by beheading, stoning, crucifixion, etc., for something you know to +be a lie! Thus, you position with regards to the disciples stealing the +body seems rather lightweight to me. + +As for graverobbers, why risk the severe penalties for grave robbing over +the body of Jesus? He wasn't buried with great riches. So, again, this is +an argument that can be discounted. + +That leaves you back on square one. What happened to the body!? + +IHL, Gene + +-- + The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of + North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information + Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service. + internet: laUNChpad.unc.edu or 152.2.22.80 + +[Again, let me comment that the most plausible non-Christian scenario, +and the one typically suggested by sceptics who are knowledgeable +about the NT, is that the resurrection was a subjective event, and the +empty tomb stories are a result of accounts growing in the telling. +--clh] +";17;True +"From: pmy@vivaldi.acc.virginia.edu (Pete Yadlowsky) +Subject: Re: Who's next? Mormons and Jews? +Organization: University of Virginia +Lines: 14 + +John Berryhill, Ph.D. writes + +>I don't know who's next, but I hope it's people who pick their noses +>while driving. + +umm, please don't lump us all together. It's those blatant, +fundamentalist pickers that give the rest of us a bad name. Some of +us try very hard to be discreet and stay alert. + +-- +Peter M. Yadlowsky | Wake! The sky is light! +Academic Computing Center | Let us to the Net again... +University of Virginia | Companion keyboard. +pmy@Virginia.EDU | - after Basho +";19;True +"Subject: Re: Too Many Europeans in NHL +From: riel@unixg.ubc.ca (William Riel) +Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada +NNTP-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca +Lines: 6 + +How long has Don Cherry been a student at SFU? (or is that Arche Bunker?) + +Please, keep this racist drivel off of the net. You're an embarassment +to Canadians everywhere. + +Bill +";13;True +"From: erich.lim@yob.sccsi.com (Erich Lim) +Subject: RE: MILITECH +Distribution: world +Organization: Ye Olde Bailey BBS - Houston, TX - 713-520-1569 +Reply-To: erich.lim@yob.sccsi.com (Erich Lim) +Lines: 22 + +jchen@wind.bellcore.com (Jason Chen) writes: + +-> I saw an interesting product in NY Auto Show, and would like to hear +-> your comments. +-> +-> MILITECH(tm) is yet another oil additive. But the demonstration of +-> this product really impressive, if it didn't cheat. + + Well, I heard that Militech stuff works pretty good too.. One of my +friends who races in SCCA sanctioned events and all that stuff got the +Militech stuff early as a trial thing, and he put it in his CRX.. He +says it worked great, but I didn't ask him for any details. + + +-Erich +erich.lim@yob.sccsi.com + +---- ++------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +| Ye Olde Bailey BBS 713-520-1569 (V.32bis) 713-520-9566 (V.32bis) | +| Houston,Texas yob.sccsi.com Home of alt.cosuard | ++------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +";10;True +"From: rlward1@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Robert Ward) +Subject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption +Organization: National Computer Security Center +Distribution: na +Lines: 11 + +In article bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de writes: +>and since the US constitutions guarantees the right to every American +>to bear arms, why is not every American entitled, as a matter of + +Have you read the applicable part of the Constitution and interpreted it IN +CONTEXT? If not, please do so before posting this misinterpretation again. +It refers to the right of the people to organize a militia, not for individuals +to carry handguns, grenades, and assault rifles. + +Robert L. Ward + +";16;True +"From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) +Subject: Re: PLANETS STILL: IMAGES ORBIT BY ETHER TWIST +Article-I.D.: mksol.1993Apr22.213815.12288 +Organization: Texas Instruments Inc +Lines: 22 + +In <1993Apr22.130923.115397@zeus.calpoly.edu> dmcaloon@tuba.calpoly.edu (David McAloon) writes: + +> ETHER IMPLODES 2 EARTH CORE, IS GRAVITY!!! + +If not for the lack of extraneously capitalized words, I'd swear that +McElwaine had changed his name and moved to Cal Poly. I also find the +choice of newsgroups 'interesting'. Perhaps someone should tell this +guy that 'sci.astro' doesn't stand for 'astrology'? + +It's truly frightening that posts like this are originating at what +are ostensibly centers of higher learning in this country. Small +wonder that the rest of the world thinks we're all nuts and that we +have the problems that we do. + +[In case you haven't gotten it yet, David, I don't think this was +quite appropriate for a posting to 'sci' groups.] + +-- +""Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live + in the real world."" -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden +------------------------------------------------------------------------------ +Fred.McCall@dseg.ti.com - I don't speak for others and they don't speak for me. +";2;True +"From: linnig@m2000.dseg.ti.com (Mike Linnig) +Subject: Re: books/info on audio DSP ?? +In-Reply-To: scst83@csc.liv.ac.uk's message of 6 Apr 93 13:36:13 GMT +Nntp-Posting-Host: m2000.dseg.ti.com +Organization: Texas Instruments, Defense, Systems and Electronics Group. + +Distribution: rec,sci +Lines: 25 + +In article scst83@csc.liv.ac.uk (Chris Smith) writes: + +> I'm looking to build a DSP for guitar processing. Hence lots of background +> information would be really useful ! +> +> If anyone's got any info, could they email..... + +Well, I'm not sure I'd use this to process a guitar but there was a audio +filter DSP construction article in the Sept 92 issue of QST magazine (Ham Radio +oriented). The DSP is available in kit form for about $120. + +This particular DSP filter was targetted toward processing audio to remove +noise (static). I built it and it really works well. The source code is +available too. It makes a noisy audio signal much easier to hear. Note that +this is for communication applications and is not ""high fidelity"". + + + +-- +- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + +Mike Linnig, Texas Instruments Inc. | 97.43% of all statistics are made | +Phone: (214) 575-3597 CALL: N5QAW | up; most of them (83.6 percent) | +Internet: mike.linnig@dseg.ti.com | are wrong. | +- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + +";11;True +"From: Clinton-HQ@Campaign92.Org (Clinton/Gore '92) +Subject: CLINTON: Remarks to Law Enforcement Leaders +Organization: Project GNU, Free Software Foundation, + 675 Mass. Ave., Cambridge, MA 02139, USA +1 (617) 876-3296 +Lines: 227 +NNTP-Posting-Host: life.ai.mit.edu + + + + + + + THE WHITE HOUSE + + Office of the Press Secretary +______________________________________________________________ +For Immediate Release April 15, 1993 + + + REMARKS BY THE PRESIDENT + TO LAW ENFORCEMENT ORGANIZATIONS + + + The Rose Garden + + +2:52 P.M. EDT + + + THE PRESIDENT: Good afternoon. Ladies and gentlemen, +two months ago I presented a comprehensive plan to reduce our +national deficit and to increase our investment in the American +people, their jobs and their economic future. The federal budget +plan passed Congress in record time, and created a new sense of hope +and opportunity in the country. + + Then, the short-term jobs plan I presented to Congress, +which would create a half a million jobs in the next two years passed +the House of Representatives two weeks ago. It now has the support +of a majority of the United States Senate. + + All of these members of Congress know it's time to get +the economy moving again, to get job growth going again, to get a +fast start on the investments we need to build a lasting prosperity. +Unfortunately, a minority of the members of the United States Senate +have used gridlock tactics to prevent their colleagues from working +the will of the majority on the jobs bill. + + When Congress returns, I ask every senator from every +state and from both parties to remember what is at stake. The issue +is not politics, it's people. Sixteen million of them are looking +for full-time jobs and can't find them. These men and women don't +care about who's up or down in Washington. They care about paying +the rent and meeting the mortgage payment, about putting food on the +table and buying shoes for their children, about regaining a sense of +dignity that comes from doing a day's work and supporting their +families and drawing a paycheck. + + They're asking those of us who have the privilege of +serving to put aside politics and do something now to move our +economy forward. I am prepared to do that. And I have been working +with the Senate to come up with an adjusted package that meets some +of the concerns of those who have been blocking action on the jobs +plan. I'm willing to compromise, so long as we keep the focus on +jobs, keep the focus on growth and keep the focus on meeting unmet +national needs. + + Our opponents have been asking for a smaller package. +Today I ask them to join me in determining exactly what kind and what +size package Congress can approve that actually meets the needs of +the American people. + + But even as we make those reductions and the package +will be smaller, I believe we must address problems that are on the +minds of millions of Americans, and one in particular, and that is +the need to toughen law enforcement in our society to deal with the +dramatic rise in violent crime. + + So I will ask, even in this reduced package, for an +additional $200 million in federal funding to help local communities +to rehire police officers who have been laid off because of the +fiscal problems caused by the national recession. Together, with a +matching effort by local governments, this could put as many as +10,000 police officers back on the job, and back on the beat in +communities all across our nation. + + At a time when too many of our people live in fear of +violent crime, when too many businesses have closed and too many +people have lost their jobs because people are afraid to leave their +homes, rehiring thousands of officers is one of the best investments +America can make. And I ask both Houses of Congress to make that +investment in our people's safety and in their piece of mind. + + I believe in the need for strong federal action to keep +the economy going toward recovery and to create jobs. Make no +mistake about it: I will fight for these priorities as hard as I +ever have. I will never forget that the people sent me here to fight +for their jobs, their future and for fundamental change. + + I want to thank the police officers who are here today +and tell you that not a single one of them knew before they came here +that I had determined to ask for more money in this jobs bill to +rehire police officers. They came here because they believe in the +summer jobs portion of the package. And I want them to be free to +talk about that. They came here not out of any law enforcement +concern other than the fact that they wanted the kids in this country +to have a chance to have jobs this summer, to have safer streets and +a brighter and more peaceful future. + + I say what I say today not just because it's good for +law enforcement but because it's good for the people who live in +these communities. I have always supported community policing not +only because it helps to prevent crime and to lower the crime rate, +but because it cements better relationships between people in law +enforcement and the people that they're hired to protect. It reduces +the chances of abusive action by police officers and increases the +chances of harmony and safe streets at the same time. + + These are the kinds of things that we are trying to do. +I promised in my campaign that I'd do everything I could to put +another 100,000 police officers on the street over the next four +years. This makes a good downpayment on that. This keeps in mind +the core of the jobs package. And this will help us to move forward. + + So I ask the people in the Senate who have blocked the +jobs bill, let's work together. I can accept a reduced package if +you will increase your commitment to safe streets. I do not accept +the fact that we should reduce our commitment to summer jobs or to +building our infrastructure or to doing those other things that will +create real and lasting prosperity for our people. I have done my +part now to end the gridlock; I ask you to do yours. + + I want now to give the people who are here with me on +the platform a chance to make some remarks and to be heard by the +American people -- beginning with Janet Reno, the distinguished +Attorney General. + + + * * * * * * * * * * * * + + Q Mr. President, can you tell us -- do you think that +the jobs package could be put in further jeopardy by controversy over +the suggestion of a VAT tax at this point in the congressional +dialogue? + + THE PRESIDENT: Not at all. I think it should have -- +they wouldn't have any relationship one to the other. First of all, +I made absolutely no decision on that. You should know that there's +a lot of support in the business community and the labor community -- +people have asked us to consider that because of the enormous burden +of the present system on many of our major employers, particularly +many of those that we depend upon to generate jobs and to carry the +strength of this economy. But I have made absolutely no decision +that would even approach that on that or any other kind of general +tax. + + Q Do you personally believe that the American public +is ready to pay for -- to have another tax to pay for health care? I +mean, apart from what business and labor leaders have said -- + + THE PRESIDENT: I'm not going to speculate on that. I +will say this: The real issue is how quickly we can recycle the +benefits of all the savings to cover the cost. I mean, that is -- +everyone knows that if you do what we're proposing to do, if you +streamline the insurance system, if you fix the system so that +there's no longer an enormous economic incentive to over-utilize or +over-provide certain services, if you provide primary and preventive +care in places where it isn't now, every single analysis shows +absolutely massive savings to the health care system. + + The real question is whether you can transfer those +savings to cover those who have no coverage now or those who have +virtually no coverage so that you provide people the security. I +have no idea. The polls say that, but I don't know. All I know is +the polls that I see in the press that many of you have commissioned, +they say overwhelmingly the American people want the security of an +affordable health care system. + + But I don't think that has anything to do with this +stimulus, and it certainly shouldn't have. People want a job first +and foremost. They want that more than anything else. + + Q Now that you've announced your willingness to +compromise on the stimulus package, can you tell us what parts of +your package you consider vital and uncompromisable? I assume summer +jobs is one. + + THE PRESIDENT: I want the summer jobs; I want the +highway program and I want the police program. I still intend -- let +me say this: I still intend to fully and aggressively push the crime +bill, which did not pass the Congress last year. This is a +supplement to that, not a substitute for it in any way. But I think +we need to do that. + + I think we need the Ryan White funds because of the +enormous health care burdens to the communities that are inordinately +and disproportionately affected by the problems of caring for people +with AIDS. And there are several other things that I think should be +done. We have to do the Agriculture Department meat inspectors; the +safety of the public depends on that. + + There are a number of other things that I don't -- I +don't think any of it should be cut, but I have given Senator +Mitchell and Senator Byrd -- I talked to them. And Senator Dole +called me yesterday to discuss this, and I told him that I would call +him back. I called him back last night in New Hampshire and we +discussed this. And I basically asked them to talk today, and said +that I would not make any statements about any specifics until at +least they had a chance to talk to see whether or not they could +reach some accord. + + So I don't want to be any more specific than I have been +already, and let's see if they can talk it out. + + Q When you talked to Senator Dole and Senator +Mitchell did you tell them about your -- increase also, that $200 +million, that you want that as part of the package? + + THE PRESIDENT: I did -- I told Senator -- I left word +for Senator Mitchell last night about it. When I talked to Senator +Dole -- I don't remember for sure -- I do not believe I mentioned it. +But I did tell him that I was prepared to reduce the package and I +wanted to break the gridlock, and I told him that I was working on a +reformulation of it so that -- in the hope that it would become even +more focused on jobs and the kinds of issues that I thought the +American people wanted us to address. And this is certainly +consistent with that. + + Thank you. + + END3:12 P.M. EDT + + + +";18;True +"From: tammy@uclink.berkeley.edu (Tammy Chen) +Subject: Toolwork: MPC Encyclopedia on CD-ROM +Organization: University of California, Berkeley +Lines: 14 +NNTP-Posting-Host: uclink.berkeley.edu + +I have the following program on CD ROM forsale: + + + Toolwork MPC Encyclopedia on CD-ROM + - Multimedia + - Brand new + - Shrink-wrapped + + +Asking : $50 / obo + +Send reply to : sam@ocf.berkeley.edu + +Thank you +";8;True +"From: robichau@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Paul Robichaux) +Subject: Suggestions for escrow agencies (was: Re: More technical details) +Reply-To: robichau@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov +Organization: New Technology, Inc. +Lines: 53 + +( Below is my response to Dr. Denning's letter to Steven Bellovin. Comments + are invited. - Paul ) + +In alt.privacy.clipper, Steve Bellovin posted your message to +him, which included a brief passage concerning selection of agencies +as escrow agencies. + +I am glad to see that the proposal as written states that the escrow +agencies won't be law enforcement agencies. I would argue, however, +that *one* of the escrow agencies shouldn't be federal at all. + +As a private citizen, I would feel much more ""secure in my person and +papers"" knowing that an organization committed to individual civil +liberties- the ACLU and the NRA come to mind- was safeguarding half of +my key. Both the ACLU and the NRA are resistent to government pressure +by the simple expedient fact that they are not supported, funded, or +overtly controlled by the government. + +Of those federal and federally funded candidate agencies that you +mentioned, I have the following comments: + + - SRI, Rand, Mitre, and national labs: I agree that they have + great experience safeguarding sensitive information. I am not + convinced that they would adequately safeguard _this_ + information, since in any case requiring disclosure, there's + likely to be sigificant pressure for disclosure- possibly + *wrongful* disclosure. + + - GAO: perhaps. I would like to see more concrete evidence of + their fidelity and ability. + + - *TREASURY*? Surely you're joking. Perhaps you'd ask BATF + to safeguard keys. Maybe the Federal Reserve would be a + better choice. + +Ever since last fall's ""trial balloon"" was posted in sci.crypt, your +name has been synonymous with those who place a great deal of trust in +the ability of government agencies and agents to act within the law. + +I agree with you in part: those agencies and agents *almost always* +act properly. However, there have been enough cases where _sworn +agents of the Federal Government_ have acted wrongly to make me feel +that having two federal agencies as key repositories is unacceptable. + + +Respectfully, +-Paul Robichaux + (not speaking for NTI, BCSS, or NASA) + + +-- +Paul Robichaux, KD4JZG | HELP STOP THE BIG BROTHER CHIP! +NTI Mission Software Development Div. | RIPEM key on request. +";16;True +"Subject: Re: Pgp, PEM, and RFC's (Was: Cryptography Patents) +From: a_rubin@dsg4.dse.beckman.com (Arthur Rubin) +Organization: Beckman Instruments, Inc. +Nntp-Posting-Host: dsg4.dse.beckman.com +Lines: 22 + +In eifrig@beanworld.cs.jhu.edu (Jonathan Eifrig) writes: + +>FACT: It is unlawful to distribute code implementing RSA without a license +>to do so from PKP, whether or not one is charging for it. Furthermore, +>any use of RSA, other than for research purposes allowed under US patent +>law, is similarly unlawful. Therefore, the ""average citizen"" cannot use +>RSA to encrypt message traffic in the US without a license from PKP. + +WRONG: I don't think even PKP claims this one. It is not unlawful to +distribute code implementing RSA. It appears to be unlawful to use it, so +I agree with your last sentence. + +>FACT: There are no restrictions (yet!) on the use of cryptography under +>US law, although this is beginning to look like it will change. The only +>impediments to widespread use of RSA cryptography in the US are PKP's +>patents. + +Yes, that's correct. +-- +Arthur L. Rubin: a_rubin@dsg4.dse.beckman.com (work) Beckman Instruments/Brea +216-5888@mcimail.com 70707.453@compuserve.com arthur@pnet01.cts.com (personal) +My opinions are my own, and do not represent those of my employer. +";16;True +"From: MANDTBACKA@finabo.abo.fi (Mats Andtbacka) +Subject: Re: ""Accepting Jeesus in your heart..."" +Organization: Unorganized Usenet Postings UnInc. +Lines: 65 + +In jayne@mmalt.guild.org writes: +> gsu0033@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Eric Molas) writes: +> +>> Firstly, I am an atheist. I am not posting here as an immature flame +>> start, but rather to express an opinion to my intended audience. +>[deleted] +>> +>> We are _just_ animals. We need sleep, food, and we reproduce. And we +>> die. +> +> I am glad that I am not an atheist. It seems tragic that some people +> choose a meaningless existence. How terrible to go on living only +> because one fears death more than life. + + ?Huh? Okay, so I'm not Eric Molas, but even if that _is_ how he +feels about life, I disagree with it. + + Life, to me, is definitely NOT meaningless; it has precisely the +purpose and meaning I choose to give it. I go on living because I _like_ +living; if I needed any further reason, I'd be free - completely free! - +to pick any reason that suited me. That freedom can be almost +intoxicating; it's probably the closest I've ever been to a 'religious' +experience. I'm *very* glad I am an atheist; I wouldn't be anything +else. + +> I feel so sorry for Eric and +> yet any attempts to share my joy in life with him would be considered as +> further evidence of the infectious nature of Christianity. + + Not unless, in explaining your own subjective experience, you also +try to convert him or proselytize. Merely explaining the effects you +personally experience religion as having on you, is not ""infectious"". +Not unless Eric is paranoid, that is. ;-> + +> As a Christian I am free to be a human person. I think, love, choose, +> and create. I will live forever with God. + + Whatever floats your goat. You sound happy enough; that's fairly +much all that matters, right? + +> Christ is not a kind of drug. Drugs are a replacement for Christ. + + Erh... Pardon, but it strikes me that sentence sounds reversible. + +> Those who have an empty spot in the God-shaped hole in their hearts must +> do something to ease the pain. + + ""Empty spot""? ""God-shaped hole""? I hear such things a lot from +theists; never quite did understand what they were talking about. +I have no such 'emptiness' or 'hole'. Maybe some others do, I wouldn't +know; but I don't, and if I did, I'd seek help about it. Doesn't sound +like a mentally healthy situation at all, walking around with a 'hole' +in oneself. + +> Thank you, Eric for your post. It has helped me to appreciate how much +> God has blessed me. I hope that you will someday have a more joy-filled +> and abundant life. + + Well, not having written that original post, I don't know if it +was intended to be interpreted in such a way; but, having reread it +carefully, I somewhat doubt it. At least, that's not how he gets across +to _me_, your mileage may vary... + +-- + Disclaimer? ""It's great to be young and insane!"" +";17;True +"From: ewang@ucsee.Berkeley.EDU (Edward Wang) +Subject: Widget source code needed +Organization: University of California, Berkeley +Lines: 10 +NNTP-Posting-Host: ucsee.berkeley.edu + +I'm considering writing my own widgets, but I like to have some sample +widget source code to look over first. Where could I find something +like this? Are there any archives accessible by anonymous ftp that contain +such information? + + Thanks, + Edward + + + +";12;True +"From: gt6511a@prism.gatech.EDU (COCHRANE,JAMES SHAPLEIGH) +Subject: Re: So much for ""infinite patience"" +Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology +Lines: 32 + +In article <1993Apr19.225700.3976@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca> j979@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (FULLER M) writes: +: +:So much for ""infinite patience."" +: +;I find it hard to swallow that prolonged exposure to ""massive"" amounts of +: +:And they said that the bomb dropped on MOVE wouldn't start a fire, either. +: +:The real kicker, though, is the stated justification for the government's +:sudden loss of patience: They wouldn't be able to ""rotate their teams"" +: +:This outcome could be foreseen a mile (or two) away, but Reno didn't even +: +:Malcolm Fuller, Surveying Engineering, University of New Brunswick + +The really good part: ""At this point we're not negotiating,"" FBI spokesman +Bob Ricks said at a news briefing about a half hour before the fire began. +""We're saying,'Come out.Come out with your hands up. This matter is over.'"" + +Criminal... so much for Billary saying we won't force the issue... anybody +have the WH information number? Figure ol' Bill could use a lesson from the +ROTC he scorned: ""You are responsible for all that your unit/troops do or fail +to do."" Want to ask him how he enjoys being responsible for violating the +Constitutional rights of a group, resulting in the deaths of over a hundred of them, plus four Federal agents... + +James + +-- +******************************************************************************** +James S. Cochrane * When in danger, or in doubt, run in * This space +gt6511a@prism.gatech.edu * circles, scream and shout. * for rent +******************************************************************************** +";3;True +"From: rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J. Wade) +Subject: Re: Improvements in Automatic Transmissions +Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network +Lines: 36 + +In article <1qugvu$ai8@quad.wfunet.wfu.edu> hagenjd@wfu.edu (Jeff Hagen) writes: +> +>Thanx to all those who responded, particularly those ""never driven an XXX +>but here's what it's like:"" guys... +> +>OK, we all know that new-age AT's are great in traffic, and do a satisfactory +>job in acceleration when you keep your foot buried in the carpet. +> +>My question regards downshifting. NOT downshifting to pass (AT's are +>good at this now), but manually moving the lever to 3, 2, or 1 at a point +>where you would downshift a manual-- e.g. approaching a red light, or a +>curve, or just tooling around a parking lot in 1st or 2nd w/o shifting. +>This is why I'm still a Manual-Trans Bigot-- the downshifting for +>deceleration seems so natural. When I try this in an automatic, the +>tranny doesn't seem to understand what I want. +> +>Addendum-- isn't it great, after downshifting while approaching that +>red light, when the light goes green, and you're already on-cam +>(or the turbo's already spooled up!) -- zippppppppppp! +> +>Hagen. (hagenjd@ac.wfu.edu) +> + +i have a grand am with auto and quad4. around the gear selector there is a +plastic strip which covers the space so you can't see inside. anyway...i took +the cover off and cut the end of this long strip to a specific length, the +strip curls up into a cirlce at one end inside. anyway, by doing this the +strip can't feed into the lip that circles it,,,,so...i can push button, pull +down and the gear shifter will only go back to 2 from drive,,,no accidental +hitting first. i drive around town in 2 to keep the revs up. shift to drive +above 50 and pull down to 2 when coming up to lights..if i want. if i am +eating food...i drive in drive. there are probably aftermarket shift kits +that will accomplish the same thing. porsche's tip-tronic automatic can be +driven like an auto...or put into +/- mode. tip up...upshift...tip down... +downshift. of course there is an override so you don't redline the engine. + +";10;True +"From: dietz@cs.rochester.edu (Paul Dietz) +Subject: Re: Terraforming Venus: can it be done ""cheaply""? +Organization: University of Rochester +Lines: 9 + +Would someone please send me James Oberg's email address, if he has +one and if someone reading this list knows it? I wanted to send +him a comment on something in his terraforming book. + + Paul F. Dietz + dietz@cs.rochester.edu + + Potential explosive yield of the annual global + production of borax: 5 million megatons +";2;True +"From: georgeh@gjhsun (George H) +Subject: Re: Octopus in Detroit? +Organization: Michigan State University +Lines: 17 +NNTP-Posting-Host: gjhsun.cl.msu.edu + +Harold Zazula writes: + +>I was watching the Detroit-Minnesota game last night and thought I saw an +>octopus on the ice after Ysebaert scored to tie the game at two. What gives? +>(is there some custom to throw octopuses on the ice in Detroit?) + +It is a long standing good luck Redwing's tradition to throw an octopus +on the ice during a Stanley Cup game. They say it dates back to '52 +at the Olympia when the Wings became the 1st team (I think) to sweep +the cup in 8 games. A lot hardet to throw one from Joe Louis seats +than from the old Olympia balcony, though. + +Funniest I ever saw was when some Tiger fans threw one on the field +during a Detroit/Toronto baseball game ... I was living in California +and the folks I was watching with had never heard of hockey and were +incredulous when I recognized the octopus BEFORE the camera closeup !! + +";13;True +"Subject: Re: PLANETS STILL: IMAGES ORBIT BY ETHER TWIST +From: alien@acheron.amigans.gen.nz (Ross Smith) +Distribution: world +Organization: Muppet Labs +Lines: 27 + +In article <1993Apr22.213815.12288@mksol.dseg.ti.com> mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes: +>In <1993Apr22.130923.115397@zeus.calpoly.edu> dmcaloon@tuba.calpoly.edu (David McAloon) writes: +> +>> ETHER IMPLODES 2 EARTH CORE, IS GRAVITY!!! +> +>If not for the lack of extraneously capitalized words, I'd swear that +>McElwaine had changed his name and moved to Cal Poly. I also find the +>choice of newsgroups 'interesting'. Perhaps someone should tell this +>guy that 'sci.astro' doesn't stand for 'astrology'? +> +>It's truly frightening that posts like this are originating at what +>are ostensibly centers of higher learning in this country. Small +>wonder that the rest of the world thinks we're all nuts and that we +>have the problems that we do. +> +>[In case you haven't gotten it yet, David, I don't think this was +>quite appropriate for a posting to 'sci' groups.] + +Was that post for real? I thought it was a late April Fool joke. Some of it +seemed a bit over the top even by McElwaine/Abian/etc standards :-) + +-- +... Ross Smith (Wanganui, NZ) ............ alien@acheron.amigans.gen.nz ... + ""And crawling on the planet's face + Some insects called the human race + Lost in time and lost in space"" (RHPS) + +";2;True +"From: cmeyer@bloch.Stanford.EDU (Craig Meyer) +Subject: Re: Jack Morris +Organization: DSO, Stanford University +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] +Lines: 27 + +Michael Chen (mike@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: + +: In any case, I think Viola would have made a better signing. Why? +: Viola is younger, and is left handed (how many left handed starters does +: Toronto have? + +Well, I agree that Viola is a better signing. However, why does +everyone say that you want lefthanded starters? I understand lefthanded +spot relievers, even though they usually face more righthanded batters +than lefthanded batters. I just don't understand why people insist +on lefthanded starters, unless there is a park effect (e.g., Yankee Stadium). +Most batters in MLB are righthanded, so righthanded starters will have +the platoon advantage more often than lefthanded starters. +I guess one argument for lefty starters is that certain teams +may be more vulnerable to LHP's than RHP's. However, this is probably +only a factor in the postseason, because teams seldom juggle their starters +for this reason during the regular season. + +I think you just want the best starters you can get, regardless of +whether they are lefties or righties. Lefthanded starters tend to have +higher ERA's than righthanded starters, precisely because managers +go out of their way to start inferior lefties (or perhaps because of +the platoon advantage). + +Am I missing something here? + +--Craig +";14;True +"From: HK.MLR@forsythe.stanford.edu (Mark Rogowsky) +Subject: Re: New Apple Ergo-Mouse +Organization: Stanford University +Lines: 31 +Distribution: usa +NNTP-Posting-Host: morrow.stanford.edu + +In article , +geoffb@coos.dartmouth.edu (Thumper) writes: +>In <5APR199312491648@utkvx.utk.edu> nwcs@utkvx.utk.edu (Schizophrenia means never being alone) writes: +> +>>Does anyone know how to open up the Apple Ergo-Mouse (ADB Mouse II)? Mine +>>lives near a cat (true, really...) and picks up her fur. From what I can tell, +>>it looks like Apple welded it shut. +> +> +>By rotating the plate around the mouse ball counter-clockwise you can open +>the mouse and clean it. It isn't as obvious as the Desktop Bus Mouse I but +>it opens quite easily once you see what has to be done. +> +>-Geoff +>-- +>geoffb@Dartmouth.EDU - Computing Support Consultant, Tuck School of Business +> +> If you don't vote... you don't count. + +I think the original poster meant opening the mouse, not just +releasing the ball and getting to the rollers. I found that on the +original ADB mouse, sometimes unscrewing the two halves allowed for +easier cleaning. + +If the original poster has his answer, I'll ask: How do you open the +new ergonomic mouse? By open, I mean split the two halves to get at +the guts. It isn't obvious to me based on the 5 minute look I spent +with one at the office yesterday as there are no visible screw +heads. + +Mark +";0;True +"From: sgc1@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (scott.g.crawford) +Subject: Selling Riding Lawn Mower +Organization: AT&T +Distribution: nj +Summary: Riding Lawn Mower for Sale +Lines: 26 + + + + 1987 ARIENS RIDING LAWN MOWER + + This mower is in perfect condition and + contains the following features: + + - Electric Start + - 26 inch cut + - Double Rear Baggers + - New Battery + - New Engine (one year old) + - Inflatable Tires (gives nice ride) + - Cushioned Seat (gives nice ride) + + I am moving into a house that has a + small area of grass to cut and does not + require such large mower. The engine was + replaced, not rebuilt, last year due to + some faulty work done by a lawn mower + repair shop. + + PRICE: $600.00 + PHONE: 908-582-7028 (Leave Message) + + +";8;True +"From: lreiter@jade.tufts.edu (Lowell B. Reiter) +Subject: Re: Duo 230 crashes aftersleep (looks like Apple bug!) +Lines: 23 +Organization: Tufts University - Medford, MA + +Mysstem crashes aftwer sleepp. I use 1.0.1 enabler. I use appletalk and +filesharing. I have and ExpressModem. + +--Lowell +-- +*********************************************************************** +* Lowell Reiter ""I need a Vacation... Now!!! "" * +* Tufts University * +* Internet Account: lreiter@jade.tufts.edu * +*********************************************************************** + + + + + + + + + + + + + +";0;True +"From: hampton@umcc.umcc.umich.edu (Kevin Podsiadlik) +Subject: Re: Top Ten Excuses for Slick Willie's Record-Setting Disapproval Rati +Organization: UMCC, Ann Arbor, MI +Lines: 23 +NNTP-Posting-Host: umcc.umcc.umich.edu + +In article <2671@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu> libwca@emory.edu (Bill Anderson) writes: +>shapiro@sofbas.enet.dec.com (Steve Shapiro) writes: +>: +>: Oh, and BTW, its William Jefferson Blythe Clinton. +> +>No, it's not- and I really fail to understand the use of that name +>as an insult. Do you feel that being adopted implies some sort of +>moral failing? + +No, it's a sign of aristocrtic out-of-touchness with the middle +class. You ask George Herbert Walker Bush about that. + +And that's not his full name? What, then, is it? + +--- +""Even Quayle had his honeymoon period. It lasted a full 48 hours +after he was chosen as Bush's running mate."" + +-- +Kevin J. Podsiadlik | +Vaporware Engineer 2nd class | ""This 'contribution' the President wants +E-mail: hampton@ais.org | us to make... is it tax deductible?"" +CompuServe: 71460,3602 | -- Larry Wright +";18;True +"From: chongo@toad.com (Landon C. Noll) +Subject: Reposting: 10th International Obfuscated C Code Contest rules (1 of 2) +Expires: 8 May 93 00:00:00 GMT +Reply-To: chongo@toad.com (Landon C. Noll) +Distribution: world +Organization: Nebula Consultants in San Francisco +Lines: 864 +Keywords: ioccc + +We have received a number of requests for a reposting of the +International Obfuscated C Code Contest rules and guidelines. Also +some people requested that these rules be posted to a wider set of +groups. Sorry for the cross posting. + +Some technical clarifications were made to the rules and guidelines +(See the diff marks at the right hand edge). The rules and guidelines +for this year remain the same, so people who have already or are +in the process of submitting entries for the 1993 IOCCC need not worry +about these changes. + +chongo /\cc/\ chongo@toad.com +Larry Bassel lab@sun.com + +=-= + +#!/bin/sh +# This is a shell archive (shar 3.32) +# made 04/05/1993 23:00 UTC by chongo@toad.com +# Source directory /tmp +# +# existing files WILL be overwritten +# +# This shar contains: +# length mode name +# ------ ---------- ------------------------------------------ +# 8971 -r--r--r-- rules +# 25592 -r--r--r-- guidelines +# 34482 -r--r--r-- mkentry.c +# 6418 -r--r--r-- obfuscate.info +# +# ============= rules ============== +echo ""x - extracting rules (Text)"" +sed 's/^X//' << 'SHAR_EOF' > rules && +X10th International Obfuscated C Code Contest Rules +X +XCopyright (c) Landon Curt Noll & Larry Bassel, 1993. +XAll Rights Reserved. Permission for personal, education or non-profit use is +Xgranted provided this this copyright and notice are included in its entirety +Xand remains unaltered. All other uses must receive prior permission in writing +Xfrom both Landon Curt Noll and Larry Bassel. +X +X Obfuscate: tr.v. -cated, -cating, -cates. 1. a. To render obscure. +X b. To darken. 2. To confuse: his emotions obfuscated his +X judgment. [LLat. obfuscare, to darken : ob(intensive) + +X Lat. fuscare, to darken < fuscus, dark.] -obfuscation n. +X obfuscatory adj. +X +X +XGOALS OF THE CONTEST: +X +X * To write the most Obscure/Obfuscated C program under the rules below. +X * To show the importance of programming style, in an ironic way. +X * To stress C compilers with unusual code. +X * To illustrate some of the subtleties of the C language. +X * To provide a safe forum for poor C code. :-) +X +X +XNOTE: Changes from the 1993 draft are noted by change bars. ---> | +X +X +XRULES: +X +X To help us with the volume of entries, we ask that you follow these rules: +X +X 1) Your entry must be a complete program. +X +X 2) Your entry must be <= 3217 bytes in length. The number of characters +X excluding whitespace (tab, space, newline), and excluding any ; { or } +X followed by either whitespace or end of file, must be <= 1536. +X +X 3) Your entry must be submitted in the following format: +X +X---entry--- +Xrule: 1993 +Xfix: y or n (n => this is a new entry, y => this replaces an older entry) +Xtitle: title of entry (see comments below) +Xentry: Entry number from 0 to 7 inclusive (your 1st entry should by 0) +Xdate: Date/time of submission in UTC (see comments below) +Xhost: Machine(s) and OS(s) under which your entry was tested +X Use tab indented lines if needed +X---remark--- +X Place remarks about this entry in this section. It would be helpful if +X you were to indent your remarks with 4 spaces, though it is not a +X requirement. Also, if possible, try to avoid going beyond the 79th +X column. Blank lines are permitted. +X---author--- +Xname: your name +Xorg: School/Company/Organization +Xaddr: postal address +X use tab indented lines to continue +X don't forget to include the country +Xemail: Email address from a well known site or registered domain. +X If you give several forms, list them on separate tab indented lines. +Xanon: y or n (y => remain anonymous, n => ok to publish this info) +X---info--- +XIf your program needs an info file, place a uuencoded copy of it in +Xthis section. In the case of multiple info files, use multiple info +Xsections. If your entry does not need a info file, skip this section. +X---build--- +XPlace a uuencoded copy of the command(s) used to compile/build your program +Xin this section. It must uudecode into a file named 'build'. The resulting +Xfile must be 255 bytes or less. +X---program--- +XPlace a uuencoded copy of your program in this section. It must uudecode +Xinto a file named is 'prog.c'. The resulting file must follow rule #2. +X---end--- +X +X Regarding the above format: +X +X * The title must match the expression: [a-zA-Z0-9_=][a-zA-Z0-9_=+-]* +X and must be 1 to 12 characters in length. +X +X It is suggested, but not required, that the title should +X incorporate your username; in the case of multiple authors, +X consider using parts of the usernames of the authors. +X +X * The date in the ---entry--- section should be given with respect +X to UTC. The format of the date should be as returned by asctime() +X using the C locale. (see guidelines for more info) +X +X * You may correct/revise a previously submitted entry by sending +X it to the contest email address. Be sure to set 'fix' in the +X ---entry--- section to 'n'. The corrected entry must use the same +X title and entry number as submittion that is being corrected. Be +X sure that you note the resubmittion in the ---remark--- as well. +X +X * With the exception of the header, all text outside of the above +X format may be ignored by the judges. If you need tell the judges +X something, put it in the ---remark--- section, or send a separate +X Email message to the judges. +X +X * Information from the ---author--- section will be published unless +X 'y' was given to the respective author's 'anon' line. +X +X * To credit multiple authors, include an ---author--- section for +X each author. Each should start with ---author--- line, and +X should be found between the ---entry--- and ---build--- sections. +X +X * The entry's remarks should include: +X - what this program does +X - how to run the program (sample args or input) +X - special compile or execution instructions, if any +X - special filename requirements (see rule 4 and 5) +X - information about any ---data--- files +X - why you think the program is obfuscated +X - note if this entry is a re-submission of a previous entry. +X - any other remarks (humorous or otherwise) +X +X * Do not rot13 your entry's remarks. You may suggest that certain +X portions of your remarks be rot13ed if your entry wins an award. +X +X * Info files should be used only to supplement your entry. They +X should not be required to exist. +X +X If your entry does not need an info file, skip the ---info--- +X section. If your entry needs multiple info files, use multiple +X ---info--- sections, one per info file. You should describe +X each info file in the ---remark--- section. +X +X 4) If your entry is selected as a winner, it will be modified as follows: +X +X 'build' is incorporated into a makefile, and 'build' is removed +X 'prog.c' is renamed to your entry's title, followed by an optional +X digit, followed by '.c' +X your entry is compiled into a file with the name of your entry's +X title, possibly followed by a digit +X +X If your entry requires that a build file exist, state so in your +X entry's remark section. The makefile will be arranged to execute a +X build shell script containing the 'build' information. The name of +X this build shell script will be your entry's title, possibly followed +X by a digit, followed by '.sh'. +X +X If needed, your entry's remarks should indicate how your entry must +X be changed in order to deal with the new filenames. +X +X 5) The build file, the source and the resulting executable should be +X treated as read-only files. If your entry needs to modify these files, +X it should make and modify a copy of the appropriate file. If this +X occurs, state so in your entry's remarks. +X +X 6) Entries that cannot be compiled by an ANSI C compiler will be rejected. +X Use of common C (K&R + extensions) is permitted, as long as it does not +X cause compile errors for ANSI C compilers. +X +X 7) The program must be of original work. All programs must be in the +X public domain. All copyrighted programs will be rejected. +X +X 8) Entries must be received prior to 07-May-93 0:00 UTC. (UTC is +X essentially equivalent to Greenwich Mean Time) Email your entries to: +X +X ...!{apple,pyramid,sun,uunet}!hoptoad!obfuscate +X obfuscate@toad.com +X +X We request that your message use the subject 'ioccc entry'. +X +X If possible, we request that you hold off on Emailing your entries +X until 1-Mar-93 0:00 UTC. Early entries will be accepted, however. +X We will attempt to email a confirmation to the the first author for +X all entries received after 1-Mar-93 0:00 UTC. +X +X 9) Each person may submit up to 8 entries per contest year. Each entry +X must be sent in a separate Email letter. +X +X 10) Entries requiring human interaction to be built are not allowed. +X Compiling an entry produce a file (or files) which may be executed. +X +X 11) Programs that require special privileges (setuid, setgid, super-user, +X special owner or group) are not allowed. +X +X +XFOR MORE INFORMATION: +X +X The Judging will be done by Landon Noll and Larry Bassel. Please send +X questions or comments about the contest, to: +X +X ...!{apple,pyramid,sun,uunet}!hoptoad!judges (not the address for | +X judges@toad.com submitting entries) | +X +X The rules and the guidelines may (and often do) change from year to +X year. You should be sure you have the current rules and guidelines +X prior to submitting entries. To obtain them, send Email to the address | +X above and use the subject 'send rules'. | +X +X One may obtain winners of previous contests (1984 to date), via ftp from: | +X +X host: ftp.uu.net (192.48.96.9) | +X user: anonymous +X pass: yourname@yourhost +X dir: ~/pub/ioccc | +X +X As a last resort, previous winners may be obtained by sending Email | +X to the above address. Please use the subject 'send YEAR winners', | +X where YEAR is a single 4 digit year, a year range, or 'all'. | +X +X +Xchongo /\cc/\ chongo@toad.com | +XLarry Bassel lab@sun.com | +SHAR_EOF +chmod 0444 rules || +echo ""restore of rules failed"" +set `wc -c rules`;Wc_c=$1 +if test ""$Wc_c"" != ""8971""; then + echo original size 8971, current size $Wc_c +fi +# ============= guidelines ============== +echo ""x - extracting guidelines (Text)"" +sed 's/^X//' << 'SHAR_EOF' > guidelines && +X10th International Obfuscated C Code Contest Guidelines, Hints and Comments +X +XCopyright (c) Landon Curt Noll & Larry Bassel, 1993. +XAll Rights Reserved. Permission for personal, education or non-profit use is +Xgranted provided this this copyright and notice are included in its entirety +Xand remains unaltered. All other uses must receive prior permission in writing +Xfrom both Landon Curt Noll and Larry Bassel. +X +XABOUT THIS FILE: +X +X This file is intended to help people who wish to submit entries to +X the International Obfuscated C Code Contest (IOCCC for short). +X +X This is not the IOCCC rules, though it does contain comments about +X them. The guidelines should be viewed as hints and suggestions. +X Entries that violate the guidelines but remain within the rules are +X allowed. Even so, you are safer if you remain within the guidelines. +X +X You should read the current IOCCC rules, prior to submitting entries. +X The rules are typically sent out with these guidelines. +X +X Changes from the 1993 draft are noted by change bars. ---> | +X +X +XWHAT IS NEW IN 1993: +X +X The entry format is better (for us anyway). The program mkentry.c +X has been updated. See ENTRY FORMAT. +X +X We will reject entries that cannot be compiled using an ANSI C +X compiler. Certain old Obfuscation hacks that cause ANSI C compilers +X fits are no longer permitted. Some of the new issues deal with +X non-integral array types, variable number of arguments, C preprocessor +X directives and the exit() function. See OUR LIKES AND DISLIKES. +X +X +XHINTS AND SUGGESTIONS: +X +X You are encouraged to examine the winners of previous contests. See +X FOR MORE INFORMATION for details on how to get previous winners. +X +X Keep in mind that rules change from year to year, so some winning entries +X may not be valid entries this year. What was unique and novel one year +X might be 'old' the next year. +X +X An entry is usually examined in a number of ways. We typically apply +X a number of tests to an entry: +X +X * look at the original source +X * convert ANSI tri-graphs to ASCII +X * C pre-process the source ignoring '#include' lines +X * C pre-process the source ignoring '#define' and '#include' lines +X * run it through a C beautifier +X * examine the algorithm +X * lint it +X * compile it +X * execute it +X +X You should consider how your entry looks in each of the above tests. +X You should ask yourself if your entry remains obscure after it has been +X 'cleaned up' by the C pre-processor and a C beautifier. +X +X Your entry need not do well under all, or in most tests. In certain +X cases, a test is not important. Entries that compete for the +X 'strangest/most creative source layout' need not do as well as +X others in terms of their algorithm. On the other hand, given +X two such entries, we are more inclined to pick the entry that +X does something interesting when you run it. +X +X We try to avoid limiting creativity in our rules. As such, we leave +X the contest open for creative rule interpretation. As in real life +X programming, interpreting a requirements document or a customer request +X is important. For this reason, we often award 'worst abuse of the +X rules' to an entry that illustrates this point in an ironic way. +X +X If you do plan to abuse the rules, we suggest that you let us know +X in the remarks section. Please note that an invitation to abuse +X is not an invitation to break. We are strict when it comes to the +X 3217 byte size limit. Also, abusing the entry format tends to +X annoy more than amuse. +X +X We do realize that there are holes in the rules, and invite entries +X to attempt to exploit them. We will award 'worst abuse of the rules' +X and then plug the hole next year. Even so, we will attempt to use +X the smallest plug needed, if not smaller. :-) +X +X Check out your program and be sure that it works. We sometimes make +X the effort to debug an entry that has a slight problem, particularly +X in or near the final round. On the other hand, we have seen some +X of the best entries fall down because they didn't work. +X +X We tend to look down on a prime number printer, that claims that +X 16 is a prime number. If you do have a bug, you are better off +X documenting it. Noting ""this entry sometimes prints the 4th power +X of a prime by mistake"" would save the above entry. And sometimes, +X a strange bug/feature can even help the entry! Of course, a correctly +X working entry is best. +X +X +XOUR LIKES AND DISLIKES: +X +X Doing masses of #defines to obscure the source has become 'old'. We +X tend to 'see thru' masses of #defines due to our pre-processor tests +X that we apply. Simply abusing #defines or -Dfoo=bar won't go as far +X as a program that is more well rounded in confusion. +X +X Many ANSI C compilers dislike the following code, and so do we: +X +X #define d define +X #d foo <-- don't expect this to turn into #define foo +X +X int i; +X j; <-- don't use such implicit type declaration +X int k; +X +X We suggest that you compile your entry with an ANSI C compiler. If you +X must use non-ANSI C, such as K&R C, you must avoid areas that result in +X compile/link errors for ANSI C compilers. +X +X Unfortunately, some ANSI C compilers require array indexes to be of | +X integral type. Thus, the following classical obfuscation hacks should | +X not be used in 1993. This rule may be relaxed in future contests. | +X +X int i; +X char *c; +X i[c]; <--- use c[i] instead +X (i+3)[""string""]; <--- use ""string""[i+3] instead +X +X If your entry uses functions that have a variable number of +X arguments, be careful. Systems implement va_list as a wide variety +X of ways. Because of this, a number of operations using va_list are +X not portable and must not be used: +X +X * assigning a non-va_list variable to/from a va_list variable +X * casting a non-va_list variable into/from a va_list variable +X * passing a va_list variable to a function expecting a non-va_list arg +X * passing a non-va_list variable to a function expecting a va_list arg +X * performing arithmetic on va_list variables +X * using va_list as a structure or union +X +X In particular, do not treat va_list variables as if they were a char **'s. +X +X Avoid using , use instead. +X +X If you use C preprocessor directives (#define, #if, #ifdef, ...), +X the leading '#' must be the first character on a line. While some +X C preprocessors allow whitespace the leading '#', many do not. +X +X Because the exit() function returns void on some systems, entries +X must not assume that it returns an int. +X +X Small programs are best when they are short, obscure and concise. +X While such programs are not as complex as other winners, they do +X serve a useful purpose. They are often the only program that people +X attempt to completely understand. For this reason, we look for +X programs that are compact, and are instructional. +X +X One line programs should be short one line programs, say around 80 +X bytes long. Getting close to 160 bytes is a bit too long in our opinion. +X +X We tend to dislike programs that: +X +X * are very hardware specific +X * are very OS or Un*x version specific +X (index/strchr differences are ok, but socket/streams specific +X code is likely not to be) +X * dump core or have compiler warnings +X (it is ok only if you warn us in the 'remark' header item) +X * won't compile under both BSD or SYS V Un*x +X * abusing the build file to get around the size limit +X * obfuscate by excessive use of ANSI tri-graphs +X * are longer than they need to be +X * are similar to previous winners +X * are identical to previous losers :-) +X +X Unless you are cramped for space, or unless you are entering the +X 'best one liner' category, we suggest that you format your program +X in a more creative way than simply forming excessively long lines. +X +X The build file should not be used to try and get around the size +X limit. It is one thing to make use of a several -D's to help out, +X but it is quite another to use 200+ bytes of -D's in order to +X try and squeeze the source under the size limit. You should feel +X free to make use of the build file space, but you are better off +X if you show some amount of restraint. +X +X We allowed whitespace, and in certain cases ; { or } do not impact +X your program size (up to a certain point), because we want to get +X away from source that is simply a compact blob of characters. +X +X Given two versions of the same program, one that is a compact blob +X of code, and the other that is formatted more like a typical C +X program, we tend to favor the second version. Of course, a third +X version of the same program that is formatted in an interesting +X and/or obfuscated way, would definitely win over the first two! +X +X We suggest that you avoid trying for the 'smallest self-replicating' +X program. We are amazed at the many different sizes that claim +X to be the smallest. There is nothing wrong with self-replicating +X programs. In fact, a number of winners have been self-replicating. +X You might want to avoid the claim of 'smallest', lest we (or others) +X know of a smaller one! +X +X X client entries should be as portable as possible. Entries that +X adapt to a wide collection of environments will be favored. Don't +X depend on a particular type of display. For example, don't depend +X on color or a given size. Don't require backing store. +X +X X client entries should avoid using X related libraries and +X software that is not in wide spread use. We ask that such X client +X entries restrict themselves to only the low level Xlib and the +X Athena widget set (libX11.a, libXaw.a, libXmu.a and libXt.a). +X Don't use M*tif, Xv*ew, or OpenL*ok toolkits, since not everyone +X has them. Avoid depending on a particular window manager. Not +X everyone has X11r5, and some people are stuck back in X11r4 (or +X earlier), so try to target X11r5 without requiring X11r5. Better +X yet, try to make your entry run on all version 11 X Window Systems. +X +X X client entries should not to depend on particular items on +X .Xdefaults. If you must do so, be sure to note the required lines +X in the ---remark--- section. +X +X We like programs that: +X +X * are as concise and small as they need to be +X * do something at least quasi-interesting +X * pass lint without complaint (not a requirement, but it is nice) +X * are portable +X * are unique or novel in their obfuscation style +X * MAKE USE OF A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF OBFUSCATION +X * make us laugh and/or throw up :-) +X +X Some types of programs can't excel in some areas. Of course, your +X program doesn't have to excel in all areas, but doing well in several +X areas really does help. +X +X We freely admit that interesting, creative or humorous comments in +X the ---remark--- section helps your chance of winning. If you had to +X read of many twisted entries, you too would enjoy a good laugh or two. +X We think the readers of the contest winners do as well. +X +X Be creative! +X +X +XENTRY FORMAT: +X +X In order to help us process the many entries, we must request your +X assistance by formatting your entries in a certain way. This format, +X in addition, allows us to quickly separate information about the +X author from the program itself. (see JUDGING PROCESS) +X +X We have provided the program, mkentry, as an example of how to +X format entries. You should be aware of the following warning that +X is found in mkentry.c: +X +X This program attempts to implement the IOCCC rules. Every +X attempt has been made to make sure that this program produces +X an entry that conforms to the contest rules. In all cases, +X where this program differs from the contest rules, the +X contest rules will be used. Be sure to check with the +X contest rules before submitting an entry. +X +X You are not required to use mkentry. It is convenient, however, +X as it attempts to uuencode the needed files, and attempt to check +X the entry against the size rules. +X +X If you have any suggestions, comments, fixes or complaints about +X the mkentry.c program, please send Email to the judges. (see below) +X +X The following is a sample entry: +X +X---entry--- +Xrule: 1993 +Xfix: n +Xtitle: chonglab +Xentry: 0 +Xdate: Mon Mar 1 08:45:20 1993 +Xhost: Un*x v6, pdp11/45 +X 2.9BSD, pdp11/70 +X---remark--- +X This is a non-obfuscated obfuscated C program. +X +X It is likely not to win a prize. But what do you expect from +X a short example! +X---author--- +Xname: Landon Curt Noll +Xorg: IOCCC Judging Group +Xaddr: Toad Hall +X PO Box 170608 +X San Francisco, California +X 94117-0608 +X USA +Xemail: chongo@toad.com +Xanon: n +X---author--- +Xname: Larry Bassel +Xorg: IOCCC Judging Group +Xaddr: Toad Hall +X PO Box 170608 +X San Francisco, California +X 94117-0608 +X USA +Xemail: hoptoad!sun!lab +X lab@sun.com +Xanon: n +X---info--- +Xbegin 444 info.file +XM0V]P>7)I9VAT(""AC*2!,86YD;VX@0W5R=""!.;VQL+""`Q.3DS+@I!;&P@4FEG +XM:'1S(%)E65A2!A8W1U86QL>2!D96-O9&5D('1H:7,@9FEL92X*22!W;VYD97(@:&]W(&UA +X9;GD@=VEL;""!D;R!I=""!T:&ES('EE87(_""@`` +X` +Xend +X---build--- +Xbegin 444 build +X28V,@<')O9RYC(""UO('!R;V<* +X` +Xend +X---program--- +Xbegin 444 prog.c +XM;6%I;B@I""GL*(VEF(&1E9FEN960H05]214=)4U1%4D5$7U9/5$527TE.7U-5 +XM3DY95D%,15]#04Q)1D]23DE!7U5302D*(""`@('!R:6YT9B@B5F]T92!,86YD +XM;VX@3F]L;""!F;W(@4W5N;GEV86QE($-I='D@0V]U;F-I;""!S96%T("",Q+EQN +X:(BD[""B-E;F1I9@H@(""`@97AI=""@P*3L*?0H` +X` +Xend +X---end--- +X +X Typically the build file should assume that the source is prog.c +X and will compile into prog. If an entry wins, we will rename +X its source and binary to avoid filename collision. By tradition, +X we use the name of the entry's title, followed by an optional +X digit in case of name conflicts. +X +X If the above entry somehow won the 'least likely to win' award, +X we would use chonglab.c and chonglab. +X +X If your entry depends on, or requires that your build, source +X and/or binary files be a particular name, please say so in the +X ---remark--- section. If this case applies, it would be be helpful +X if you did one of the following: +X +X * Tell us how to change the filename(s) in your entry. +X +X * Have the build file make copies of the files. For example: +X +X cc prog.c -o special_name need special binary +X +X or rm -f special_src.c need special source +X cp prog.c special_src.c +X cc special_src.c -o special_name +X +X or rm -f special_build need special build +X tail +4 build > special_build +X sh < special_build +X +X * Assume that we will use the entry title. Send us a version of +X your build/program files that uses the name convention. You +X should uuencode these files in ---data--- sections. +X +X If your entry needs to modify its source, info or binary files, +X please say so in the ---remark--- section. You should try to avoid +X touching your original build, source and binary files. You should +X arrange to make copies of the files you intend to modify. This +X will allow people to re-generate your entry from scratch. +X +X Remember that your entry may be built without a build file. We +X typically incorporate the build lines into a Makefile. If the +X build file must exist, say so in the ---remark--- section. +X +X If your entry needs special info files, you should uuencode them +X into ---info--- sections. In the case of multiple info files, +X use multiple ---info--- sections. If no info files are needed, +X then skip the ---info--- section. +X +X Info files are intended to be input, or detailed information that +X does not fit well into the ---remark--- section. For example, an +X entry that implements a compiler might want to provide some sample +X programs for the user to compile. An entry might want to include a +X lengthy design document, that might not be appropriate for a +X 'hints' file. +X +X Info files should be used only to supplement your entry. For +X example, info files may provide sample input or detailed +X information about your entry. Because they are supplemental, +X the entry should not require them exist. +X +X In some cases, your info files might be renamed to avoid name +X conflicts. If info files should not be renamed for some reason, +X say so in the ---remark--- section. +X +X Info files must uudecode into the current directory. If they +X absolutely must be renamed, or moved into a sub-directory, say +X so in the ---remark--- section. +X +X When submitting multiple entries, be sure that each entry has +X a unique entry number from 0 to 7. Your first entry should +X have entry number 0. +X +X With the exception of the header, all text outside of the entry +X format may be ignored. That is, don't place text outside of the +X entry and expect the judges to see it. (Our decoding tools aren't +X AI progs!) If you need tell the the something, put it in the +X ---remark--- section, or send a Email to the judges at: +X +X ...!{apple,pyramid,sun,uunet}!hoptoad!judges (not the address for +X judges@toad.com submitting entries) +X +X The date should be given with respect to UTC. (Some systems refer +X to this as GMT or GMT0) The format of the date should be that as +X returned by asctime() in the C locale. An example of such a string is: +X +X Thr Apr 01 00:47:00 1993 +X +X This format is similar to the output of the date(1) command. The +X string does not include the timezone name before the year. On many +X systems, one of the following command will produce a similar string: +X +X date -u ""+%a %h %d %T 19%y"" +X date -u | sed -e 's/... \(19[0-9][0-9]\)$/\1/' +X sh -c 'TZ=UTC date | sed -e ""s/... \(19[0-9][0-9]\)$/\1/""' +X sh -c 'TZ=GMT date | sed -e ""s/... \(19[0-9][0-9]\)$/\1/""' +X sh -c 'TZ=GMT0 date | sed -e ""s/... \(19[0-9][0-9]\)$/\1/""' +X +X You are allowed to update/fix/revise your entry. To do so, set +X the 'fix' line in the ---entry--- section to 'y' instead of 'n'. +X Be sure that the resubmittion uses the same title and entry number +X as well, as these are used to determine which entry is to be +X replaced. +X +X +XJUDGING PROCESS: +X +X Entries are judged by Larry Bassel and Landon Curt Noll. +X +X Entries are unpacked into individual directories. The Email message +X is unpacked into individual files, each containing: +X +X ---entry--- section +X all ---author--- sections +X all ---info--- sections +X ---build--- section +X ---program--- section +X any other text, including the Email message headers +X +X Prior to judging, the 'any other text' file is scanned to be sure +X it does not contain useful information (or in case the entry was +X malformed and did not unpack correctly). Information from the +X ---author--- sections are not read until the judging process is +X complete, and then only from entries that have won an award. +X +X The above process helps keep us biased for/against any one particular +X individual. We are usually kept in the dark as much as you are +X until the final awards are given. We like the surprise of finding +X out in the end, who won and where they were from. +X +X We attempt to keep all entries anonymous, unless they win an award. +X Because the main 'prize' of winning is being announced, we make all +X attempts to send non-winners into oblivion. We remove all non-winning +X files, and shred all related paper. By tradition, we do not even +X reveal the number of entries that we received. (for the curious, +X we do indicate the volume of paper consumed when presenting the IOCCC +X winners at talks) +X +X After the Usenix announcement, we attempt to send Email to the +X authors of the winning entries. One reason we do this is to give +X the authors a chance to comment on the way we have presented their +X entry. They are given the chance to correct mistakes, typos. We +X often accept their suggestions/comments about our remarks as well. +X This is done prior to posting the winners to the wide world. +X +X Judging consists of a number of elimination rounds. During a round, +X the collection of entries are divided into two roughly equal piles; +X the pile that advances on to the next round, and the pile that does +X not. We also re-examine the entries that were eliminated in the +X previous round. Thus, an entry gets at least two readings. +X +X A reading consists of a number of actions: +X +X * reading the ---entry--- section +X * reading the uudecoded ---build--- section +X * reading the uudecoded ---program--- section +X * reading the uudecoded ---info--- section(s), if any +X * passing the source thru the C pre-processor +X shipping over any #include files +X * performing a number of C beautify/cleanup edits on the source +X * passing the beautified source thru the C pre-processor +X shipping over any #include files +X +X In later rounds, other actions are performed: +X +X * linting the source +X * compiling/building the source +X * running the program +X * performing misc tests on the source and binary +X +X Until we reduce the stack of entries down to about 25 entries, entries +X are judged on an individual basis. An entry is set aside because it +X does not, in our opinion, meet the standard established by the round. +X When the number of entries thins to about 25 entries, we begin to form +X award categories. Entries begin to compete with each other for awards. +X An entry often will compete in several categories. +X +X The actual award category list will vary depending on the types of entries +X we receive. A typical category list might be: +X +X * best small one line program +X * best small program +X * strangest/most creative source layout +X * most useful obfuscated program +X * best game that is obfuscated +X * most creatively obfuscated program +X * most deceptive C code +X * best X client (see OUR LIKES AND DISLIKES) +X * best abuse of ANSI C +X * worst abuse of the rules +X * +X +X We do not limit ourselves to this list. For example, a few entries are so +X good/bad that they are declared winners at the start of the final round. +X We will invent awards categories for them, if necessary. +X +X In the final round process, we perform the difficult tasks of +X reducing the remaining entries (typically about 25) down to 8 or 10 +X winners. Often we are confident that the entries that make it into +X the final round are definitely better than the ones that do not +X make it. The selection of the winners out of the final round, is +X less clear cut. +X +X Sometimes a final round entry good enough to win, but is beat out +X by a similar, but slightly better entry. For this reason, it is +X sometimes worthwhile to re-enter an improved version of an entry +X that failed to win in a previous year. This assumes, of course, +X that the entry is worth improving in the first place! +X +X More often that not, we select a small entry (usually one line), a +X strange/creative layout entry, and an entry that abuses the contest +X rules in some way. +X +X In the end, we traditionally pick one entry as 'best'. Sometimes such +X an entry simply far exceeds any of the other entry. More often, the +X 'best' is picked because it does well in a number of categories. +X +X +XANNOUNCEMENT OF WINNERS: +X +X The first announcement, occurs at a Summer Usenix conference. By tradition, +X this is done during the latter part of the UUNET/IOCCC BOF, just prior to +X the Berkeley BSD, and BSDI BOF. +X +X Winning entries will be posted in late June to the following groups: +X +X comp.lang.c comp.unix.wizards alt.sources +X +X In addition, pointers to these postings are posted to the following +X +X comp.sources.d alt.sources.d misc.misc +X comp.sources.misc comp.windows.x +X +X Winning entries will be deposited into the uunet archives. See +X below for details. +X +X Often, winning entries are published in selected magazines. Winners +X have appeared in books (""The New Hackers Dictionary"") and on T-Shirts. +X +X Last, but not least, winners receive international fame and flames! :-) +X +X +XFOR MORE INFORMATION: +X +X You may contact the judges by sending Email to the following address: +X +X ...!{apple,pyramid,sun,uunet}!hoptoad!judges (not the address for +X judges@toad.com submitting entries) +X +X Questions and comments about the contest are welcome. +X +X The rules and the guidelines may (and often do) change from year to | +X year. You should be sure you have the current rules and guidelines | +X prior to submitting entries. To obtain them, send Email to the address | +X above and use the subject 'send rules'. | +X +X One may obtain winners of previous contests (1984 to date), via ftp from: | +X +X host: ftp.uu.net (192.48.96.9) | +X user: anonymous +X pass: yourname@yourhost +X dir: ~/pub/ioccc | +X +X As a last resort, previous winners may be obtained by sending Email | +X to the above address. Please use the subject 'send YEAR winners', | +X where YEAR is a single 4 digit year, a year range, or 'all'. | +X +X +Xchongo /\cc/\ chongo@toad.com | +XLarry Bassel lab@sun.com | +SHAR_EOF +chmod 0444 guidelines || +echo ""restore of guidelines failed"" +set `wc -c guidelines`;Wc_c=$1 +if test ""$Wc_c"" != ""25592""; then + echo original size 25592, current size $Wc_c +fi +echo ""End of part 1, continue with part 2"" +exit 0 +-- +Sunnyvale residents: Vote Landon Noll for Sunnyvale City Council seat 1. +";12;True +"From: phs431d@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au +Subject: Re: The arrogance of Christians +Organization: Monash University - Melbourne. Australia. +Lines: 96 + +In article , aa888@freenet.carleton.ca (Mark Baker) writes: + +> I am asking you to believe in things not visible. I don't know if this is > +believeing blindly or not. I'm not sure how blindness comes into it. I do > not +deny reason, indeed I insist upon it, but reason only draws conclusions > from +evidence. If you decide in advance that your reason will act only on > the +evidence of the five physical senses, then you cut reason off from any > +possibility of reaching a conclusion outside the physical sphere (beyond the > +rather provocative, if inconclusive, conclusion that the physical sphere > is +not self explanatory). + +So your are saying to rely on our feelings and experiences (since +this is the only other source of information left to us). +How can you then convince somebody that your ""feelings and experiences"" +are the correct ones then if you can't show somebody visible and +measurable effects? If my experiences say that ""there exists no god"" +and yours says there does, where does that leave us? Since we are only +going on experiences, then both of us are correct within our own personal +realities. + +Furthermore, the trouble with ""feelings and experiences"" is that they +can lead you astray, as the tragic outcome of Waco illustrates. I +am sure that many of Koresh's followers really believed in him but +I think that you and I will agree that they were being misled. + +Finally, how on earth do you come to the conclusion that the physical +sphere is not self-explanatory when you only rely on the five senses? + +> Christians claim that they have received a different kind of evidence, +> which they call faith, and which is a gift of God. That is, this evidence +> is the evidence of a thing which chooses to reveal or hide itself. The +> evidence of the senses cannot tell you is such a ting exists. Reasoning +> on the evidence of the senses won't help either. But Christians do reason +> of the evidence of faith, and do claim that this evidence is wholly +> consistent with the evidence of the other senses, and indeed, that the +> evidence of these other senses is part of God's revelation of himself +> to us. + +You must be using a definition of ""evidence"" that I am not familiar with. +To me, evidence is something you can show others -unambiguously- that +what you are saying is true. + +However, I agree with you that belief in a diety is a matter of faith. +It is not something you can share around - others must experience it +independantly. Unfortunately, as I have explained above, this puts +belief down to a matter of experience. My impression is that Christians +do not have the monopoly on reason, evidence and faith as far as any of +these things can go. + +> In a previous article, phs431d@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au () says: +> +>>You are right that science and reason cannot PROVE anything. However, if +>>we do not use them we can only then believe on FAITH alone. And since +>>we can only use faith, why is one picture of ""God"" (e.g. Hinduism) any less +>>valid than another (e.g. Christianity)? +>> +> Faith, as I have said, is not opposed to reason, it is simply a new source +> of evidence on which reason may operate. It is clear that human beings +> have many systems for explaining the evidence of the physical senses, and +> similarly there are many systems for explaining the evidence provided by +> faith. Religious believers in general, and Christians in particular, use +> reason to help sift through the evidence to come to a clearer understanding +> of the evidence provided by faith. Science claims, with good reason, to be +> the most valid system for explaining the physical universe, and Christianity +> claims, also with good reason, to be the most valid system, possessed of the +> best evidence, for explaining Gods revelations of himself to man. + +At the risk of repeating my argument : As I have explained previously, +the trouble is that Moslems, Buddhists, Jews, etc will ALL say that THEY +claim, with good reason, to be a valid system, possessed of the best +evidence, for explaining Gods revelations to man (for Buddhists it +should read ""for explaining the non-existence of God""). So not only +must you ""prove"" your own case, you have to ""disprove"" theirs. + +(alt.messianic is a good place to see people strong in the belief +of their own faiths ... and with their own good reasons) + +> If you doubt that Christians use reason, read this newsgroup for a while +> and you will see rational debate aplenty. + +I know that ALL people can use reason ... I never claimed that they don't. +I just wish to make sure that their arguments are well-founded. It goes +without saying that if I make a blunder that I expect people to correct +me. Once we have all gone through this process of removing the +non-essential and contradictory bits, we should (hopefully) have made +some progress towards the truth. + +> -- +> ============================================================================== +> Mark Baker | ""The task ... is not to cut down jungles, but +> aa888@Freenet.carleton.ca | to irrigate deserts."" -- C. S. Lewis +> ============================================================================== + +-- +Don Lowe, Department of Physics, Monash University, +Melbourne, Victoria, Australia, 3168. +";17;True +"From: bchuang@css.itd.umich.edu (Ben Chuang) +Subject: TCP/IP routing LocalTalk-Ethernet. +Organization: University of Michigan ITD Consulting and Support Services +Lines: 27 +NNTP-Posting-Host: stimpy.css.itd.umich.edu + +Here is the story: +I have a network with 4 Macs on Localtalk. One of them has an +Ethernet Card, and is currently connected to a NeXT (don't laugh +I got it for the price of a Mac IIsi). The NeXT is connected +to the internet over SLIP running on a 9600 baud modem. + +Currently, we can telnet from the Mac w/ Ethernet to the NeXT, +and then telnet out again to the rest of the world. + +What we want to know is if there is some sort of hardware that +will route telnet sessions from the Localtalk Macs to the NeXT +via the Ethernet Mac. From what we have heard, AIR doesn't do +the trick. + +Software solutions would be good too, but my impression is that +there aren't going to be any. + +Our immediate interest is to be able to get to the NeXT and telnet +out again. The SLIP connection doesn't allow us to assign IP numbers +to machines, so everyone shares that 1 number...oh well... + +thanks in advance. +-- +_______________________________________________________________ +Benjamin S. Chuang/ITD-CSS Consultant/University of Michigan:A2 +Benjamin.Chuang@um.cc.umich.edu (consulting & referals here) +bchuang@css.itd.umich.edu (Unix and long messages here) +";0;True +"From: els390r@fawlty1.eng.monash.edu.au (G Chow) +Subject: Re: ESDI with IDE??? +Organization: Monash University +Lines: 27 + +In article <1qegfd$dqi@wsinis03.info.win.tue.nl> monty@wsinis03.info.win.tue.nl (Guido Leenders) writes: +>Hi, +> +>Is it possible to use an ESDI-controller with HDD together with an +>IDE-harddisk + controller in one ISA-system? +> +>I've read stuff about secondary controllers. Does this trick work? +> +>Thanx in advance, +> +>Guido +>monty@win.tue.nl + +I have the same question as Guido. It is possible to use the ESDI drive as a master and the IDE drive as the slave ? +At the moment , I have been using the ESDI drive and recently I bought a IDE drive to use as the 2nd drive . +The person in the computer shop told me that it is not possible to run 2 disk controller cards together on the same motherboard ( ESDI AND IDE ) but I think there might be some way of making them work. Can anybody enlighten me on this? +And it is possible to run a ESDI HDD using a IDE controller? or vice versa? +Can anybody please help me out on this? +Your help will be very much appreciated. + +G.Chow + +els390r@fawlty1.eng.monash.edu.au +els390r@mdw013.cc.monash.edu.au +gtchow@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au + + +";5;True +"From: scotth@oniboshi.corp.sgi.com (Scott Henry) +Subject: Re: xlock +Organization: Silicon Graphics Inc, Mountain View, CA +Lines: 21 +In-Reply-To: dale@wente.llnl.gov's message of 20 Apr 93 01:15:13 GMT +Nntp-Posting-Host: oniboshi.corp.sgi.com + + +>>>>> In article <1qvir1$idi@lll-winken.llnl.gov>, dale@wente.llnl.gov (Dale M. Slone) writes: + +dale> I found an oddity with our SGI Indigo (MIPS R3000 chip). +dale> When xlock +nolock is running, and I am working remotely +dale> or in batch (at) mode, the runtime of my programs (as timed +dale> by using clock() in the code itself) is ~25% slower than if +dale> xlock is NOT running. No other processes seem to affect my +dale> runtimes, yet this is very consistent! + +Unless you run `xlock -mode blank`, xlock consumes CPU time generating +the nice animated display. The code you are running is competing with +xlock for the CPU. If you run top (via a remote login), you can really +see what is going on. + +=-=-= + +-- + Scott Henry / Help! My disclaimer is missing! + Networking Services, / GIGO *really* means: Garbage in, Gospel Out + Silicon Graphics, Inc / +";12;True +"From: dfuller@portal.hq.videocart.com (Dave Fuller) +Subject: Re: It's all Mary's fault! +Organization: VideOcart Inc. +X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3 +Lines: 23 + +pl1u+@andrew.cmu.edu (Patrick C Leger) writes: +: You know, it just occurred to me today that this whole Christian thing +: can be blamed solely on Mary. +: +: So, she's married to Joseph. She gets knocked up. What do you think +: ol' Joe will do if he finds she's been getting around? So Mary comes up +: with this ridiculous story about God making her pregnant. +: + + Nice attempt Chris . . . verrry close. + + You missed the conspiracy by 1 step. Joseph knew who knocked her up. +He couldn't let it be known that somebody ELSE got ol' Mary prego. That +wouldn't do well for his popularity in the local circles. So what +happened is that she was feeling guilty, he was feeling embarrassed, and +THEY decided to improve both of their images on what could have otherwise +been the downfall for both. Clever indeed. Come to think of it . . . I +have gained a new respect for the couple. Maybe Joseph and Mary should +receive all of the praise being paid to jesus. + +Dave ""Buckminster"" Fuller +How is that one 'o keeper of the nicknames ? + +";9;True +"From: wchau@acsu.buffalo.edu (Wun-Chun Chau) +Subject: MFM controller, copy card for sale +Organization: UB +Lines: 13 +Nntp-Posting-Host: buttercup.eng.buffalo.edu + + +16 bit MFM FD/HD controller - $25/b.o. + +copy card w/ software and cable - $30/b.o. +(can copy any protected software) + +if interested, please reply to this account + +-- +==wun-chun Chau===============================What a crazy world!============= +INTERNET:wchau@eng.buffalo.edu UUCP: ...!{rutgers,uunet}!cs.buffalo.edu!wchau +INTERNET:wchau@cs.buffalo.edu BITNET: wchau%cs.buffalo.edu@ubvm.bitnet +===============Do you want to die young? If you know what I mean :) ========== +";8;True +"From: cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) +Subject: Re: A loathesome subject +Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA +Lines: 18 + +In article <1993Apr13.174636.15142@ads.com>, henry@ADS.COM (Henry Mensch) writes: +> carlos@beowulf.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Carlos Carrion) wrote: +# -# Just curious (don't have to answer if you feel uncomfortable): +# -# how many times have YOU had sex with boys? +# +# why do you care? if a total stranger asked you how often you had sex, +# would you answer? +# +# # henry mensch / booz, allen & hamilton, inc. / +Subject: Re: Cobra Locks +Distribution: usa +Lines: 33 + +Greetings netters, + +Steve writes ... + +Well I have the mother of all locks. On Friday the 16th of April I took +possesion of a 12' Cobra Links lock, 1"" diameter. This was a special order. + +I weighs a lot. I had to carry it home and it was digging into my shoulder +after about two blocks. + +I have currently a Kryptonite Rock Lock through the front wheel, a HD +padlock for the steering lock, a Master padlock to lock the cover to two +front spokes, and the Cobra Links through the rear swing arm and around a +post in an underground parking garage. + +Next Friday the 30th I have an appointment to have an alarm installed on +me bike. + +When I travel the Cobra Links and the cover and padlock stay at home. + +By the way. I also removed the plastic mesh that is on the Cobra Links +and encased the lock from end to end using bicycle inner tubes (two of +them) I got the from bicycle dealer that sold me the Cobra Links. The +guys were really great and didn't mark up the price of the lock much +and the inner tubes were free. + +Later. + +------------------------------------------------------------------------------- +1992 FXSTC Rock 'N Roll Mike Mychalkiw +HOG Ryerson Polytechnical Institute - +DoD #665 Just THIS side of HELL. Academic Computing Information Centre +doh #0000000667 Just the OTHER side. EMAIL : ACAD8059@RYEVM.RYERSON.CA +";7;True +"From: randy@megatek.com (Randy Davis) +Subject: Re: A Miracle in California +Article-I.D.: megatek.1993Apr5.223941.11539 +Reply-To: randy@megatek.com +Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California +Lines: 15 + +In article <1ppvof$92a@seven-up.East.Sun.COM> egreen@East.Sun.COM writes: +|Bikers wave to bikers the world over. Whether or not Harley riders +|wave to other bikers is one of our favorite flame wars... + + I am happy to say that some Harley riders in our area are better than most +that are flamed about here: I (riding a lowly sport bike, no less) and my +girlfriend were the recipient of no less than twenty waves from a group of +at least twenty-five Harley riders. I was leading a group of about four +sport bikes at the time (FJ1200/CBR900RR/VFR750). I initiated *some* of the +waves, but not all. It was a perfect day, and friendly riders despite some +brand differences made it all the better... + +Randy Davis Email: randy@megatek.com +ZX-11 #00072 Pilot {uunet!ucsd}!megatek!randy +DoD #0013 +";7;True +"From: slegge@kean.ucs.mun.ca +Subject: Re: Too Many European in NHL +Lines: 29 +Organization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada + +RA> Here's the point: there are far too many Europeans in the NHL. +R> I am sick of watching a game between an American and a Canadian +RA> team (let's say, the Red Wings and the Canucks) and seeing names +R> like ""Bure"" ""Konstantinov"" and ""Borshevshky"". Is this North America +RA> isn't it? + +I disagree. I think the NHL should feature the best hockey talent in +the world -- regardless of nationality. I have to admit that when I +see players like Gretzky and Messier traded off to the US because the +Canadian teams can't afford them, I have been know to say (only half- +seriously) that we'd probably be better off if we had our own Canadian +hockey league for Canadian players! ;-) + +RA> I'm all for the creation of a European Hockey League, and let +RA> te Bures and Selannes of the world play on their own continent. + +RA> +RA> I just don't want themon mine. + +Again, it doesn't matter to me -- Russian, Finnish, Mexican, Albertan, +New Yorker, black, white, korean, martian, plutoneon, ... it doesn't +matter. + +Any of them can put a Leafs' jersey on if they can put the puck in! +:-) + +Stephen Legge +SLEGGE@kean.ucs.munc.ca + +";13;True +"From: mmm@cup.portal.com (Mark Robert Thorson) +Subject: Re: Cellular Phone (Portable) for sale +Organization: The Portal System (TM) +Distribution: usa +Lines: 7 + +I offer $100, shipment at seller's expense, payment as personal check +sent by U.S. mail within 24 hours after receiving goods. I reserve the +right to return the goods, at my expense, if I find them to be defective +or otherwise unacceptable when I receive them (either the merchandise or +the check would be mailed within 24 hours). + +Mark Thorson +";8;True +"From: oueichek@imag.fr (Ibaa Oueichek) +Subject: Cache card for IIsi +Nntp-Posting-Host: gram3 +Organization: IMAG Institute, University of Grenoble, France +X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 +Lines: 20 + + I'm looking for a Cache card for my IIsi. I can spend $250 Max for it, + what i need is 64 kb cache with a fpu socket and a dual slot adapter. + Or at least a passe_through connector so i can keep my graphic card. + I need your advice about the best card i can buy. How much performance + increase i should expect, does the performance increase between the + 32 and 64 kb Cache worths the price difference ?. And what's the best + price i can get for such a card (i really need to spare each possible + $). + I have an Ethernet card for the LC with fpu. I don't think it would + work for the IIsi but the fpu is socketed. Do you think i can take the + fpu out of the card and put it in the empty fpu socket ?. Would it work + at 20 Mhz ?. If not, how much should i pay for an extra fpu ?. + +-- +Sham(u) ya tha (s)seif(u) lam yaghib(i) | Ibaa Oueichek. oueichek@imag.imag.fr + Ya jamal(al) majd(i) fi(l) kutub(i) |Lab de Genie Informatique (LGI). +Kablak(i) (t)tareekh(u) fi thulmaten |IMAG, INPG. + Baadak(i) staula ala (sh)shuhub(i) |46, Av. Felix Viallet, Grenoble. + + +";0;True +"From: boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle) +Subject: Re: Opel owners? +Organization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx +Lines: 31 + +In article cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (OrioleFan@uiuc) writes: +>gibbonsa@fraser.sfu.ca (Darren Gibbons) writes: +> +>>I'm looking for information on Opel cars. Now you ask, which model? +>>Well, the sad truth is, I'm not entirely sure, but it's a two-seater, +>>with roll-over headlights, hard top, and really sporty looking. My +>>friend has one sitting in his yard in really nice condition, +>>body-wise, but he transmission has seized up on him, so it hasn't run +>>for a while. Does anyone have any info on these cars? The engine +>>compartment looks really tight to work on, but it is in fine shape and +>>I am quite interested in it. +>>Thanks! +>>Darren Gibbons +>>gibbonsa@sfu.ca +> +> This would be the manta, would it not??? Sold through Buick dealers in the mid '70's as the price leader???? + +Sounds a lot more like an Opel GT to me. I'd guess that this is on the same +chassis as the Kadett, rather than the bigger Manta - but I could easily +be wrong. I think the later Kadett's were sold here as Buick Opels. + +Craig +> +> Chintan Amin +> llama@uiuc.edu +> +>-- +>Chintan Amin mail: llama@uiuc.edu +>*******SIG UNDER CONSTRUCTION HARD HAT AREA******** + + +";10;True +"Organization: Central Michigan University +From: Matthew S. Bailey <32BDZWC@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> +Subject: FOR SALE: Apple IIgs +Distribution: usa +Lines: 17 + + +Apple IIgs +Imagewriter II COLOR printer +Color RGB monitor +3.5"" DRIVE +5.25"" drive +keyboard +Mouse +lots of disks +some applications +most manuals + +And My utmost gratification for only 650.00 or BO + + + + +";8;True +"From: gnb@leo.bby.com.au (Gregory N. Bond) +Subject: Re: Area Rule (was Re: Space Research Spin Off) +Article-I.D.: bby.1993Apr6.064720.6920 + <1pnuke$idn@access.digex.net> + <1ppm7j$ip@access.digex.net> <1993Apr5.133619.1@fnalf.fnal.gov> +Organization: Burdett, Buckeridge & Young, Melbourne, Australia +Lines: 9 +In-Reply-To: higgins@fnalf.fnal.gov's message of 5 Apr 93 13:36:19 -0600 +Nntp-Posting-Host: leo-gw + +Can somebody elaborate on ""Area Ruling"". I gather it's something to +do with aerodynamics of trans-sonic planes, and can be summarised as +""Coke bottle good, Coke can bad"". Anyone provide more details, +derivation etc? +-- +Gregory Bond Burdett Buckeridge & Young Ltd Melbourne Australia + Knox's 386 is slick. Fox in Sox, on Knox's Box + Knox's box is very quick. Plays lots of LSL. He's sick! +(Apologies to John ""Iron Bar"" Mackin.) +";2;True +"From: davide@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Dave Edmondson) +Subject: Re: Happy Easter! +Organization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] +Lines: 37 + +Nick Pettefar (npet@bnr.ca) wrote: +: kevinh, on the Tue, 20 Apr 1993 13:23:01 GMT wibbled: + +Jonathan Quist bemoaned: + +: : |> Yes, it's a minor blasphemy that U.S. companies would ?? on the likes +of A.M., +: : |> Jaguar, or (sob) Lotus. It's outright sacrilege for RR to have +non-British +: : |> ownership. It's a fundamental thing + +Lotus looks set for a management buyout. GM weren't happy that the Elan was +late and too pricey. If they can write off the Elan development costs the may +be able to sell them for a sensible price. + + +: : I think there is a legal clause in the RR name, regardless of who owns it +: : it must be a British company/owner - i.e. BA can sell the company but not +: : the name. + +: : kevinh@hasler.ascom.ch + +: I don't believe that BA have anything to do with RR. It's a seperate +: company from the RR Aero-Engine company. + +It's Vickers who own Rolls Royce cars. + +And yes Kevin it is posts, Morgan use a sliding pillar front suspension. + +Ob Bike (at long bleeding last): When will that Pettefar bloke get a mail +address so we can bung him on the Ogri list? + +dave +-- +David Edmondson davide@dcs.qmw.ac.uk +Queen Mary & Westfield College DoD#0777 Guzzi Le Mans 1000 +""This means the end of the horse-drawn Zeppelin."" +";7;True +"From: drbombay@netlink.cts.com (Walter Ladwig) +Subject: Re: WHERE ARE THE DOUBTERS NOW? HMM? +Article-I.D.: netlink.4iBk2B1w165w +Organization: NetLink Online Communications, San Diego CA +Lines: 7 + +The Blackhawks shall triumph. + +Walter Ladwig @ ""This is the weather the cuckoo likes, +Net Link @ armored division submissive to +DrBombay@Netlink.cts.com @ vernacular the world into a gambling + @ birdhouse velocity."" + -The Cut-Ups +";13;True +"From: muellerm@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Marc Mueller) +Subject: Re: ABOLISH SELECTIVE SERVICE +Nntp-Posting-Host: irl2 +Organization: Vanderbilt University School of Engineering, Nashville, TN, USA +Lines: 61 + +In article <1993Apr16.131508.9518@ra.msstate.edu> fpa1@Trumpet.CC.MsState.Edu (Fletcher P Adams) writes: +>kmitchel@netcom.com (Kenneth C. Mitchell) writes: +>>Dave Borden (borden@head-cfa.harvard.edu) wrote: +>>: The Selective Service Registration should be abolished. To start with, the +>>: draft is immoral. Whether you agree with that or not, we don't have one now, +>>: and military experts agree that the quality of the armed forces is superior +>>: with a volunteer army than with draftees. Finally, the government has us +>>: on many lists in many computers (the IRS, Social Security Admistration and +>>: Motor Vehicle Registries to name a few) and it can find us if it needs to. +>>: Maintaining yet another list of people is an utter waste of money and time. +>>: Let's axe this whole department, and reduce the deficit a little bit. +> +>I'm really surprised Clinton hasn't already tried to do this. He seems +>to want to tackle other irrelevant issues first, so why not this one as well. + +Considering that Clinton received a draft notice and got out of it (he admits it) the political feasibility of him abolishing it is not something he would +be inclined to risk any extra exposure on. + +> +>>Let me say this about that, as a retired Navy officer; +>> +>>I agree. Cut it. But let's not stop there. +>> +>>Eliminate the C-17 transport. +> +>Wrong. We need its capability. Sure it has its problems, very few +>airplanes haven't, but getting rid of something we need is not the +>answer. What do you want to do, start over a rebuild a new airplane +>from scatch? It'll have its problems as well and there will be calls +>again, for it to be scrapped. THe other option is to try to extend +>the life of the C-5s and C-141s that are getting extremely old. + +If you read Aviation Week, the C-5 line can be reopened and the C-5s +would be delivered a year earlier and cost a billion less for the +program. Politically, though, the C-17 is popular pork. + +> +>>Scrap the Seawolf SSN-21 nuclear submarine. +>>Ground the B-2 stealth bomber. +> +>It'll cost jobs, but I'm for it. We especially don't need a B-2. THe +>SSN-21, I know litttle about. +> +Agreed. Congress took money from NASA and FHA to fund the second Seawolf. +The shipyards are still building Los Angeles Class submarines and there +is a lack of ASW foes to contend with. The Navy is considering reducing +the number of attack subs to 40 (Navy Times) and that would entail +getting rid of or mothballing some of the current Los Angeles class. + +Politically, General Dynamics is in Connecticut and we will get +Seawolf subs whether we need them or not. + +In addition, more bases need to be closed. Probably Long Beach Naval Station +and others. The Navy is talking about three main bases on each coast being +required to home port a total fleet of 320 ships. + +The question is whether Les Aspin and Clinton will be able to face down +a pork happy Congress. + + +-- Marc Mueller +";18;True +"From: moseley@u.washington.edu (Steve L. Moseley) +Subject: Re: How to act in front of traffic jerks +Organization: Microbial Pathogenesis and Motorcycle Maintenance +Lines: 26 +NNTP-Posting-Host: microb0.biostat.washington.edu + +In article + nielsmm@imv.aau.dk (Niels Mikkel Michelsen) writes: +>From: nielsmm@imv.aau.dk (Niels Mikkel Michelsen) +>Subject: How to act in front of traffic jerks +>Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1993 08:54:34 GMT + +>The other day, it was raining cats and dogs, therefor I was going only to +>the speed limit, on nothing more, on my bike. This guy in his BMW was +>driving 1-2 meters behind me for 7-800 meters and at the next red light I +>calmly put the bike on its leg, walked back to this car, he rolled down the +>window, and I told him he was a total idiot (and the reason why). + +>Did I do the right thing? + +It works for me. I avoid obscenities, and try to remain calm cool and +collected, and try something like, ""You almost just killed me, and I'm not +moving until you apologize."" or something more or less benign like that. I +haven't been shot a single time, but I don't do it in Texas, and I do only +do it when there are plenty of witnesses around. + +Steve +__________________________________________________________________________ +Steve L. Moseley moseley@u.washington.edu +Microbiology SC-42 Phone: (206) 543-2820 +University of Washington FAX: (206) 543-8297 +Seattle, WA 98195 +";7;True +"From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) +Subject: Re: plus minus stat +Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department +Lines: 8 + +It is meaningless to compare one player's plus/minus statistic with +another players' out of the context of the role and the playing time +of the players involved. + +To compare Jagr's and Francis's plus/minus is ridiculous and absurd... + +Gerald + +";13;True +"Subject: Re: WINBENCH 3.11 help -- graphics comparison?!? +From: franklig@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (Gregory C Franklin ) +Organization: University of Arizona, Tucson +Lines: 32 + +In article <1pqd9hINNbmi@zephyr.grace.cri.nz> srg3sir@grv.grace.cri.nz writes: +> +> +>In article swyatt@bach.udel.edu (Stephen L Wyatt) writes: +>>I have a question about WINBENCH (pc labs thing) 3.11.. +>> +>>I have a 386/33 and a Ahead B (512k) card and got these results- +>> +>>windows vga driver - 2.44 million +>>ahead B (640-480-256) driver - 455,000 winmarks +>>windows svga (800-600-16) driver - 1.68 million winmarks... +>> +>>I was thinking about upgrading to a diamond 24x card.. I read it had about +>>8 million winmark.. +> +>On my 386dx 33Mhz 4Mb RAM +>Winbench 2.5 +> 24x v2.02 16.7M 1,668,274 +> v2.03 16.7M 1,668,985 +> v2.03 16 4,602,428 +> v2.03 256 7,635,278 + +Be very careful with these results! As I recall, numbers from Winbench +2.5 are calculated differently from 3.1, and so these figures are not +comparable. + +However, to answer Stephen's question, replacing the Ahead B card with +a Diamond 24x will yield a cost-effective, dramatic speed increase for +Windows. That or the ATI Graphics Ultra Plus.... +-- +Greg Franklin +franklig@gas.uug.arizona.edu +";6;True +"From: dreitman@oregon.uoregon.edu (Daniel R. Reitman, Attorney to Be) +Subject: Re: ""Winning"" Tax Case! +Article-I.D.: oregon.5APR199316063313 +Distribution: world +Organization: University of Oregon +Lines: 37 +NNTP-Posting-Host: oregon.uoregon.edu +News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 + +In article <765445d3219144t87@infoserv.com>, + jamesdon@infoserv.com (James A. Donald) writes... +>The tax protesters are legally correct, but they are put in jail anyway. + +Hello? What the Sloan decision means is that the tax protestors +were wrong. + +>The weakness of the governments legal position is shown by the fact that when +>someone protesting tax or gun laws on legal grounds gets a federal jury trial +>(very rare) the feds blatantly stack the jury, with the same old faces turning +>up time after time. + +Demonstrate, please! The rules of procedure make this very +unlikely. + +>However Teel should have mentioned that though his advice is legally sound, if +>you follow it you will probably wind up in jail. + +FOR DISCUSSION PURPOSES ONLY + +Which makes it legally unsound. If I were representing Mr. Teel, +I'd try a procedural approach if I could find one, or recommend +he plea-bargain. He's setting himself up to be in hot water. + + Daniel Reitman + +HOW NOT TO WRITE A DEED + +One case involved the construction of a conveyance to grantees ""jointly, as +tenants in common, with equal rights and interest in said land, and to the +survivor thereof, in fee simple. . . . To Have and to Hold the same unto the +said parties hereto, equally, jointly, as tenants in common, with equal rights +and interest for the period or term of their lives, and to the survivor thereof +at the death of the other."" + +The court held that the survivorship provision indicated an intent to create a +joint tenancy. Germain v. Delaine, 294 Ala. 443, 318 So.2d 681 (1975). +";18;True +"From: caronni@nessie.cs.id.ethz.ch (Germano Caronni) +Subject: Some Questions (was: REVISED SUMMARY) +Organization: Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH +Lines: 90 + + + +> Here is a revised version of my summary that corrects some errors and +> provides some additional information and explanation. + +Thank you very much. After reading the text some distinct questions +arised to me, which I guess will also be asked by other people. Perhaps +would it be interesting to find an answer to these questions ? + + +> THE CLIPPER CHIP: A TECHNICAL SUMMARY +> N, a 30-bit serial number (this length is subject to change) + +shorter or longer ? + +> Once the session key K is established, the Clipper Chip is used to +> encrypt the conversation or message stream M (digitized voice). The +> telephone security device feeds K and M into the chip to produce two +> values: + +> E[M; K], the encrypted message stream, and +> E[E[K; U] + N; F], a law enforcement field , + +> which are transmitted over the telephone line. The law enforcement +> field thus contains the session key K encrypted under the unit key U +> concatenated with the serial number N, all encrypted under the family +> key F. The law enforcement field is decrypted by law enforcement after +> an authorized wiretap has been installed. + +First question: When will the LawEnforcmentField be transmitted, and how +does the remote Clipper Chip handle it? Is it transmitted periodically +in the stream of encrypted blocks, or just at the beginning ? Does the +phone at the other side discard those packets via a protocol whatsoever, +or tries it to turn them into voice-output ? (Which would not be disturbing) + + +> At the beginning of a session, a trusted agent from each of the two key +> escrow agencies enters the vault. Agent 1 enters a secret, random +> 80-bit value S1 into the laptop and agent 2 enters a secret, random +> 80-bit value S2. These random values serve as seeds to generate unit +> keys for a sequence of serial numbers. Thus, the unit keys are a +> function of 160 secret, random bits, where each agent knows only 80. + +Second question: Why!?!? Why is such a strange procedure used, and not +a real RNG ? This turns those S1,S2 in a kind of bottleneck for system- +security. + + +> When law enforcement has been authorized to tap an encrypted line, they +> will first take the warrant to the service provider in order to get +> access to the communications line. Let us assume that the tap is in +> place and that they have determined that the line is encrypted with the +> Clipper Chip. The law enforcement field is first decrypted with the +> family key F, giving E[K; U] + N. Documentation certifying that a tap +> has been authorized for the party associated with serial number N is +> then sent (e.g., via secure FAX) to each of the key escrow agents, who +> return (e.g., also via secure FAX) U1 and U2. U1 and U2 are XORed +> together to produce the unit key U, and E[K; U] is decrypted to get the +> session key K. Finally the message stream is decrypted. All this will +> be accomplished through a special black box decoder. + +So no (technical) provision will be taken to place a 'timeout' on these +warrants? This would be a unique possibility to realize such a technical +restriction, by letting the escrow-agencies perform the decoding of the +session key. Just take modem-lines instead of secure fax. Is this such +a bad idea ? + + +> A successor to the Clipper Chip, called ""Capstone"" by the government +> and ""MYK-80"" by Mykotronx, has already been developed. It will include +> the Skipjack algorithm, the Digital Signature Standard (DSS), the +> Secure Hash Algorithm (SHA), a method of key exchange, a fast +> exponentiator, and a randomizer. A prototoype will be available for +> testing on April 22, and the chips are expected to be ready for +> delivery in June or July. + +Wow! (How does the randomizer work?) Are the SHA (and Key exchange) secret, +or publicly known ? Key-Exchange is DH, I guess ? + +It seems that those who are opposed to this chip shall have a tough time, +your government realy means to act. :-( + +Friendly greetings, + Germano Caronni + +-- +Instruments register only through things they're designed to register. +Space still contains infinite unknowns. + PGP-Key-ID:341027 +Germano Caronni caronni@nessie.cs.id.ethz.ch FD560CCF586F3DA747EA3C94DD01720F +";16;True +"From: Dale_Adams@gateway.qm.apple.com (Dale Adams) +Subject: Re: Q800 Video RAM Questions +Distribution: na +Organization: Apple Computer, Inc., Cupertino, CA +Lines: 45 + +In article <1993Apr5.192833.19102@cbnews.cb.att.com> +jbr0@cbnews.cb.att.com (joseph.a.brownlee) writes: +> Could someone post a *definitive* answer about the VRAM configuration +> for the +> Q800 (and presumably the C610 and C650 as well). There seems to be a +> lot of +> confusion about this issue. I'd like to know: +> +> . What kind of SIMMs are the VRAM SIMMs (i.e. 30-pin, etc.)? + +There's only one physical size for VRAM SIMMs (unlike DRAM SIMMs which +come in many, many sizes and pinouts), although they do come with +differing amounts of VRAM on them. The ones you need are 256KB SIMMs, are +organized as 128K x 16, and have two 128K x 8 VRAM chips on them. This is +the only size which the Quadra and Centris machines can use. + +> . How many VRAM SIMM slots are there? + +Two. + +> . What rules (if any) must be followed in filling the slots (e.g in +> pairs, sizes must match, etc.)? + +Both SIMM slots must be filled; putting a SIMM in only one slot does +nothing for you. + +> . How fast must they be? + +80 ns for the Q800 and C650, 100 ns for the C610. + +> . Is there any other relevant information? + +There are certain VRAM chip manufacturers whose parts are not compatible +with the Quadra and Centris video hardware. Make sure that the source you +get them from guarantees compatiblity. In general, if it works in a Q950, +it will work in a Q800. + +> Please don't reply unless you have the *correct* information. Many +> thanks in +> advance for helping to eliminate some noise from this group. + +Trust me. ;-) + +- Dale Adams + Apple Computer, Inc. +";0;True +"From: dnewman@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (David F. Newman) +Subject: voltage regulator spec needed !!!!! +Organization: Division of Academic Computing, Northeastern University, Boston, MA. 02115 USA +Lines: 13 + +Hi there, +I have a mac 512 with a burned out part which looks like a voltage +regulator. The part number is BU 406 and I believe the vender is +SGS thomas judging by teh SGS logo printed on the package. If anyone +has teh spec for this part I would greatly appreciate an email with +the import info so I can find a replacement. Thanx in advance. + +-Dave +dnewman@lynx.northeastern.edu + +BTW I don't need people telling me to throw the computer away. If + I had the money the thing would be in the trash in a second, but + it does make a good terminal if nothing else. +";11;True +"From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) +Subject: Re: Moonbase race +Organization: U of Toronto Zoology +Lines: 13 + +In article <1r6rn3INNn96@mojo.eng.umd.edu> sysmgr@king.eng.umd.edu writes: +>You'd need to launch HLVs to send up large amounts of stuff. Do you know +>of a private Titan pad? + +You'd need to launch HLVs to send up large amounts of stuff *if* you assume +no new launcher development. If you assume new launcher development, with +lower costs as a specific objective, then you probably don't want to +build something HLV-sized anyway. + +Nobody who is interested in launching things cheaply will buy Titans. It +doesn't take many Titan pricetags to pay for a laser launcher or a large +gas gun or a development program for a Big Dumb Booster, all of which +would have far better cost-effectiveness. +";2;True +"From: joe@rider.cactus.org (Joe Senner) +Subject: Re: Shaft-drives and Wheelies +Reply-To: joe@rider.cactus.org +Distribution: rec +Organization: NOT +Lines: 9 + +xlyx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu (From: xlyx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu) writes: +]Is it possible to do a ""wheelie"" on a motorcycle with shaft-drive? + +yes. + +-- +Joe Senner joe@rider.cactus.org +Austin Area Ride Mailing List ride@rider.cactus.org +Texas SplatterFest Mailing List fest@rider.cactus.org +";7;True +"From: Srinagesh Gavirneni +Subject: 86 chevy sprint +Organization: Doctoral student, Industrial Administration, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA +Lines: 15 +NNTP-Posting-Host: po2.andrew.cmu.edu + +I have a 86 chevy sprint with a/c and 4doors. It's odometer turned 90k +and the sensor light started blinking. I went to the dealer and he said +it was a maintenance light saying I need to change the Oxygen sensor. He +said, It is to be changed every 30k, but since I bought the car when it +had 77k, I don't know if the same thing happened at 30k and 60k. He +quoted $198 for the part and $50 to install it. The part cost $30 +outside, but the mechanic I went to could not fix it saying the sensor +is placed too deep in the engine parts. He suggested I wait till it +malfunctions before I do anything. If anyone out there owns a chevy +sprint, I want to know how they got their Oxygen sensors changed. Also, +did you face any problem with fixing it without the dealer's help. Also, +what are the results of the oxygen sensor malfunction. + Any help would be greatly apprecisted + Thanks + Nagesh +";10;True +"From: pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com (Dillon Pyron) +Subject: Re: S414 (Brady bill) loopholes? +Keywords: brady handguns s414 hr1025 hr277 instant check waiting period +Lines: 74 +Nntp-Posting-Host: skndiv.dseg.ti.com +Reply-To: pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com +Organization: TI/DSEG VAX Support +Distribution: na + + +In article , shepard@netcom.com (Mark Shepard) writes: +>Hi. I've just finished reading S414, and have several questions about +>the Brady bills (S414 and HR1025). + +Good! +> +>1. _Are_ these the current versions of the Brady bill? +> What is the status of these bills? I've heard they're ""in committee"". +> How close is that to being made law? + +Not very. Thanks to the filibuster in the Senate, things are backing up. The +House judiciary is going to start looking at our friends from the ATF, so that +bill will be held up a little, too. NOTE: Things can change quickly. + +> +>2. S414 and HR1025 seem fairly similar. Are there any important +> differences I missed? +> +>3. S414 seems to have some serious loopholes: +> A. S414 doesn't specify an ""appeals"" process to wrongful denial during +> the waiting period, other than a civil lawsuit(?) (S414 has an appeals +> process once the required instant background check system is established, +> but not before). + +I thought there was a correction process in both bills for both parts. + +> B. the police are explicitly NOT liable for mistakes in denying/approving +> using existing records (so who would I sue in ""A"" above to have an +> inaccurate record corrected?) + +Very correct. + +> C. S414 includes an exception-to-waiting-period clause for if a person +> can convince the local Chief Law-Enforcement Officer (CLEO) of an +> immediate threat to his or her life, or life of a household member. +> But S414 doesn't say exactly what is considered a ""threat"", nor does +> it place a limit on how long the CLEO takes to issue an exception +> statement. + +Welcome to the world of ""the privileged"". + +>True? Have I misunderstood? Any other 'holes? + +How about no compulsion to allow purchase if there is no evidence against? + +> +>4. With just S414, what's to stop a person with a ""clean"" record from +> buying guns, grinding off the serial numbers, and selling them to crooks? +> At minimum, what additional laws are needed to prevent this? + +It is already illegal to do this. + +> +> 'Seems at min. a ""gun counting"" scheme would be needed +> (e.g., ""John Doe owns N guns""). So, if S414 passes, I wouldn't be surprised +> to see legislation for stricter, harder-to-forge I.D.'s plus national gun +> registration, justified by a need to make the Brady bill work. + +This is the ""health"" card. Or so some ""paranoids"" claim. I say that just +because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you. :-) 1/2 + +> +>Please comment. I'm mainly interested in specific problems with the current +>legislation--I don't mean to start a general discussion of the merits +>of any/all waiting-period bills ever proposed. +-- +Dillon Pyron | The opinions expressed are those of the +TI/DSEG Lewisville VAX Support | sender unless otherwise stated. +(214)462-3556 (when I'm here) | +(214)492-4656 (when I'm home) |Texans: Vote NO on Robin Hood. We need +pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com |solutions, not gestures. +PADI DM-54909 | + +";3;True +"Subject: Re: Best Homeruns +From: csc2imd@cabell.vcu.edu (Ian M. Derby) +Expires: Sun, 25 Apr 1993 04:00:00 GMT +Organization: Virginia Commonwealth University +Lines: 14 + + +I personally will never forget Mike Schmidt's home run against the +Expos in 1980 that decided the NL East. It was also his career high +48th. + +Another home run that I thought was totally incredible was in the +1986 ALCS. The CA Angles had the Boston Red Sox *1* strike away from +the pennant until Don Baylor hit a two strike pitch for a home run. +That was the most incredible turn of events I have EVER seen in +baseball. The Sox later took the pennant away only to have the same +thing done to them in the WS against the Mets. Speaking of the METS, +isn't it strange how the NLCS that year with the Astros ALMOST +mirrored the 1980 NLCS with the Phillies?? The Astros have been +painfully close twice I must admit. +";14;True +"From: frahm@ucsu.colorado.edu (Joel A. Frahm) +Subject: Re: Identify this bike for me +Article-I.D.: colorado.1993Apr6.153132.27965 +Reply-To: frahm@ucsu.colorado.edu +Organization: Department of Rudeness and Pomposity +Lines: 17 +Nntp-Posting-Host: sluggo.colorado.edu + + +In article <1993Apr6.002937.9237@adobe.com> cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson) writes: +>In article <1993Apr5.193804.18482@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> coburnn@spot.Colorado.EDU (Nicholas S. Coburn) writes: +>}first I thought it was an 'RC31' (a Hawk modified by Two Brothers Racing), +>}but I did not think that they made this huge tank for it. Additionally, +> +I think I've seen this bike. Is it all white, with a sea-green stripe +and just 'HONDA' for decals, I've seen such a bike numerous times over +by Sewall hall at CU, and I thought it was a race-prepped CBR. +I didn't see it over at the EC parking lot (I buzzed over there on my +way home, all of 1/2 block off my route!) but it was gone. + +Is a single sided swingarm available for the CBR? I would imagine so, +kinda neccisary for quick tire changes. When I first saw it, I assumed it +was a bike repainted to cover crash damage. + +Joel. +";7;True +"Organization: University of Notre Dame - Office of Univ. Computing +From: +Subject: Re: ugliest swing + <1993Apr12.235334.25031@ptdcs2.intel.com> <34244@oasys.dt.navy.mil> +Lines: 16 + +In article <34244@oasys.dt.navy.mil>, kiviat@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Brian Kiviat) +says: +> +>What I think is hotdogish about his AB's is the way he leans out over +>the plate to watch outside pitches etc. This not done to get a better +>look at the pitch, but to make it seem,""this ball is so far out I need +>to lean just to get near it so you better call it a ball"". This is my +>""unbiased"" opinion of what I see. Your mileage will vary....... +>Rickey is agreat player to watch if you forget who he is at the time. + +a lot of batters lean in when pitches come. rickey's crouch tends +to exaggerate that, i think. + +""a great player to watch if you forget who he is"" - ""unbiased""... hmmm... + +bob vesterman. +";14;True +"From: sepinwal@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Alan Sepinwall) +Subject: Yankee Bullpen - HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!! +Organization: University of Pennsylvania, School of Arts and Sciences +Lines: 26 +Nntp-Posting-Host: mail.sas.upenn.edu + + +Buck Showalter just can't win. + +Bob Wickman's pitching the game of his life through eight innings (Yanks +lead 6-1), so Buck decides to let the kid try and get his first complete +game. Wickman manages to get two outs, but in between, four funs score, +and all of a sudden it's 6-5, and Wickman just can't get the third out. +So Buck goes to the bullpen, and Farr gets out the first guy he faces. + +Last night, Jimmy Key is pitching another in a long string of games of his +life (this guy just keeps getting better!) through eight innings (Yanks +lead 4-0). This time, Buck thinks, ""I don't want a repeat of that +near-fiasco with Wickman, so I'll give my bullpen some work."" Steve Howe, +whose ERA was 54.00 coming into the game, left with it at 81.00. He didn't +do too good. Then Farr comes in. He gives up a two-run homer, and the +Royals win it, 6-5. + +What's going on? This is already the third or fourth time this year that +the bullpen has blown a lead. Farr & Howe have done it twice together, +Monteleone's done it once, and I think even Habyan did it once. What's the +deal? We finally have terrific starting pitching, so all of a sudden, our +bullpen turns to shit! + +What's Buck gonna do? And what's George gonna do if this continues to happen? + +-Alan +";14;True +"From: petrack@vnet.IBM.COM +Subject: Serial Line connection between Duo 210 and PC??? +Reply-To: petrack@vnet.IBM.COM +Disclaimer: This posting may contain no views at all +News-Software: Usenet 3.1 +Lines: 45 + +I have tried almost everything under the sun to get a null modem connection +between a Mac Duo 210 and a PC. I have used MacKermit and VersaTerm on +the Mac side. I have used Procomm, Kermit, and Softerm (on OS/2) on +the PC (or PS) side. I have used non-Hardware handshaking and hardware +ahdshaking cables. And know MY hands are shaking from the effort. Nothing +has allowed file transfers from the Mac to the PS. + +In general, I can type back and forth with no trouble, but only if both sides +are set to speeds OVER 9600 baud. I cannot send files from the Mac to the +PS at all, and file transfers from the Duo to the PS are not possible. +When I do a straight ascii send, I can send from the PS to the Duo flawlessly. +I can send Binhex files this way quite fast, and I know that the +transmission is error free. +But straight ascii sent from the Mac to the PS is full of errors. +Unless, of course, I do text pacing so slow that it is like human +typing. (well, like 2-3 times faster than human typing). + +I would like to hear from ANYONE who has been able to transfer files +from a Duo 210 to a PS via modem or null modem. If you can do it, please +tell me your EXACT combination of hardware and software. Obviously, I am +talking of a true serial port modem, not the express modem. Maybe some +kind soul with access to a modem and a Duo 210 can check this out for me. + +Right now, I am of the opinion that it won't work at high speeds because +of the power interrupts on the Duo, and it won't work at low speeds +because of some crazy reason I don't understand. + +Could I hear from someone attesting that they can really pump information +out the serial port of a Duo 210 fast? Like via a modem or via a +sys-ex dump? + +Could anyone with a Duo help me out?? I am going absolutely INSANE. +I wanna know if the problem is MY Duo, or all Duo 210s, or all Duos, +or just me. + +Yes, I have checked the cable 1,000,000 times. And not only can I type +back and forth, but Zterm alerts the users if s/he uses hardware handshaking +and CTS is down. So I know that hardware handshaking is working. And also, +According to Zterm port stats, the buffer never overflows. + +Please help me figure out what's going on... + +Scott Petrack +Petrack@haifasc3.vnet.ibm.com + +";0;True +"From: alvin@spot.Colorado.EDU (Kenneth Alvin) +Subject: Re: Certainty and Arrogance +Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder +Lines: 48 + +Responding to the moderator: + +>In article alvin@spot.Colorado.EDU (Kenneth Alvin) writes: +>> +>>Choosing what to believe and rely on are important areas of personal +>>sovereignty. What bothers me is when others suggest that, in these +>>matters of faith, their specific beliefs are not only true to them +>>but are absolute and should be binding on others. It follows from this +>>that God must give everyone the same revelation of truth, and thus +>>anyone who comes to a different conclusion is intentionally choosing +>>the wrong path. This is the arrogance I see; a lack of respect for the +>>honest conclusions of others on matters which are between them and God. +> +>[It is certainly reasonable to ask for some humility about our own +>ability to know the truth. There are also different paths in some +>areas of practice. But I'd like to see more clarification about what +>you mean when you reject the idea of saying ""their specific beliefs +>are not only true to them but are absolute and should be binding on +>others."" If something is true, it is true for everyone, assuming that +>the belief is something about God, history, etc.... + +Yes, I agree. What I'm trying to point out is that, in matters of faith +(i.e. tenets which are not logically persuasive), one may be convinced +of the truth of certain things through, for instance, personal +revelation. And its certainly fine to share that revelation or those +beliefs with others. And I don't think that its arrogant, persay, to +accepts matters of pure faith as truth for oneself. Where I think the +conflict arises is in assuming that, where disagreements on beliefs +arise, all others *must* have been given the same truth, and that God +must reveal His truth to everyone in such a way that all would +honestly agree. I think this can lead to the conclusion that anyone +who disagrees with you are being sinful or dishonest; that they are +rejecting something they *know* to be truth because it is inconvenient +for them, or because they wish to spurn God. + +I would say that this is equivalent to assuming that *all* truths one +holds are universal and absolute. And the problem I see with this is +that it negates the individuality of humans and their relationships with +God. This does not mean there is no absolute truth; just that some areas +of doctrinal disagreement may be areas where God has not established or +revealed that truth. + +-- +comments, criticism welcome... +-Ken +alvin@ucsu.colorado.edu + +[I agree with you. --clh] +";17;True +"From: downec@crockett1a.its.rpi.edu (Christopher Stevan Downey) +Subject: Re: This Year's vs. Next Year's Playoffs +Nntp-Posting-Host: crockett1a.its.rpi.edu +Reply-To: downec@rpi.edu +Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY. +Lines: 29 + +Let's fill in some winners here: + +|> +|> Well, since someone probably wanted to know, here's this year's playoff +|> matchups on the left, and what the matchups would be next year under the +|> new alignment and playoff-matchup rules. The same 16 teams make the playoffs +|> under next year's rules, and three of the first round matchups are the same +|> (QUE-MTL, CHI-STL, VAN-WIN). +|> +|> PIT --+ +-- CHI | PIT --+ +-- CHI +|> +PIT+ +CHI+ | +---+ +---+ +|> NJ --+ | | +-- STL | BUF --+ | | +-- STL +|> +NYI+ +DET+ | +---+ +---+ +|> WAS --+ | | | | +-- DET | QUE --+ | | | | +-- TOR +|> +NYI+ | | +DET+ | +---+ | | +---+ +|> NYI --+ | *BOS*| +-- TOR | MTL --+ | | +-- CAL +|> +------+ | +------+ +|> BOS --+ | DET | +-- VAN | WAS --+ | | +-- VAN +|> +BOS+ | | +VAN+ | +---+ | | +---+ +|> BUF --+ | | | | +-- WIN | NJ --+ | | | | +-- WIN +|> +BOS+ +VAN+ | +---+ +---+ +|> QUE --+ | | +-- CAL | BOS --+ | | +-- DET +|> +QUE+ +CAL+ | +---+ +---+ +|> MTL --+ +-- LA | NYI --+ +-- LA +|> + +Just my thoughts, +Chris +downec@rpi.edu +";13;True +"From: bressler@iftccu.ca.boeing.com (Rick Bressler) +Subject: Re: Gun Lovers (was Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card) +Organization: Boeing Commercial Airplane Group +Lines: 104 + +/ iftccu:talk.politics.guns / vincent@cad.gatech.edu (Vincent Fox) / 10:34 am Apr 14, 1993 / + +This isn't rec.guns, so maybe this is getting a bet technical, but I +can't resist.... + +> - A revolver also has the advantage that if it misfires you just pull +> the trigger again. + +Sometimes..... Depends on WHY it misfired.... + +> - A double-action revolver (almost all of them) can be hand-cocked first, +> but will fire merely by pulling the trigger. + +I can't imagine doing much combat type shooting single action..... + +> - A misfire in a revolver merely means you must pull the trigger again +> to rotate to the next round. + +Assuming the cylinder WILL rotate.... + +> - A revolver can be carried with the 6th chamber empty and under the +> hammer for maximum safety, but still can be drawn and fired with an +> easy motion, even one handed. + +Never hurts to err on the side of safety, but if you've got one of those +'new fangled' hammer blocks or transfer bar safeties, it's unnecessarily +redundant. I'd rather have the extra round. + +> - Speedloaders for a revolver allow reloads almost as fast as magazines +> on semi-autos. Can be faster depending on users. + +Quite true. Speed loaders are a little less convenient to pack around +than magazines though. + +> - A misfire in a semi-auto will require you to clear a jammed shell +> first, time spent which can be fatal. And a vital second or so is often +> lost as you realize ""hey, it's jammed!"" before starting to do anything +> about clearing it. + +True, but this is a training function. + +> - Most semi-autos must have the slide worked to chamber the first round +> and cock the hammer. Some police carry their semi-autos with the +> chamber loaded and hammer cocked, but a safety engaged. I do not consider +> this safe however. You must trade-off safety to get the same speed +> of employment as a revolver. + +Cocked and locked for single actions or hammer down on double actions +are the only carry modes that make sense... The 80 series Colt's for +example are quite safe to carry this way. + +> - There are some double-action semi-autos out there, but the complexity of +> operation of many of them requires more training. + +Agreed. + +Now that I've shot off my mouth a bit, let me back some of this up. It +is true that a simple misfire on a revolver doesn't cost you much. On +the other hand, I've had all sorts of interesting things happen over the +years. For example, I've had FACTORY ammunition that has had high +primers. A high primer will tie your revolver up somewhere from seconds +to minutes while you try to pound the action open to clear the problem. +An auto? Jack the slide and continue. + +I've had bullets come out of the case, keeping the cylinder from +turning, see clearing paragraph above. About the WORST that can happen +with a semi auto is a double feed. This can be cleared in seconds. + +Most revolvers are more 'fragile' then semi auto's. There are all sorts +of close tolerance parts and fitting involved. Dropping the gun, or a +blow to the gun or all sorts of things can take it out of action. Many +of the problems that can be cured on the spot with a (quality) semi auto +take a gun smith for a revolver. In short a revolver MAY be less likely +to malfunction, but as a rule when it does, you're out of the fight. +The majority of malfunctions that occur with semi autos does not fall +into that category. + +Vincint makes many good points in this post, but leaves off the opposing +view of most of them. A real good starting place is Ayoob's ""The Semi +Auto Pistol for Police and Self Defense."" + +In general, I'd agree, the revolver is an excellent first gun and self +defense weapon for somebody that does not have the time, and inclination +that is necessary for the training and practice needed to use a semi +auto effectively as a self defense arm. + +Most cops are notoriously indifferent to firearms. If the department +isn't going to train them, they aren't going to take the time on their +own. There is no doubt that training is an issue. The amount of +training required for effective use of a semi auto is probably several +times that of a revolver. Many cops don't bother. + +For myself, I'd hate to be limited to one or the other. I'd rather pick +what fits better with my personal inclination, what I'm wearing that day +and so on. Like the Moderator on rec.guns says, buy em all! + +That said, I have to admit that often my advice to people thinking of +buying their first defense arm is (right after taking a class) get a +Ruger or Smith revolver.... (Sorry Colt fans. Colt revolvers are ok +too!) + +If this post had gone the other way, I'd be arguing for revolvers. :-) + +Rick. +";3;True +"From: king@cogsci.ucsd.edu (Jonathan King) +Subject: A Move we won't see (was Why The RedFlops Can(but won't) win.....) +Organization: University of California, San Diego +Lines: 14 +NNTP-Posting-Host: cogsci.ucsd.edu +Summary: it would be tragic if ted simmons were to pick up mo vaughn + +stwombly@cs.ulowell.edu (Steve Twombly) writes: +>1. Mo Vaughn CAN hit .400 in the spring. +>1b. Mo Vaughn CAN Only hit .230 during the season. + +Excellent point. I hope to God that Ted Simmons doesn't get the weird +idea of trading for the guy. And if he does, he had better not +include Jeff King in the deal. Oh God--what if he traded Zane Smith +and Jeff King for Vaughn and Greg Blosser? It would be worse than The +Nichols Curse! + +Hmm, I guess that doesn't sound sincere enough. Oh well, at least I +tried... + +jking +";14;True +"From: cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) +Subject: Re: Still Waiting for Evidence, Mr. Cramer +Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA +Lines: 46 + +In article , mortal@netcom.com (Sam Lowry) writes: +> In article <15033@optilink.COM> cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes: +> >In article <1993Mar19.142816.15709@rational.com>, kima@excalibur.Rational.com (Kim Althoff) writes: +> >> In article <14992@optilink.COM>, cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes: +# ## # Gay men constitute at least 20% of all child molestations. Whether +# ## # this is because gay molesters are unusually common, or have unusually +# ## # high numbers of victims, sort of misses the point, doesn't it? It +# ## # means that whichever is the case, homosexual men are remarkably +# ## # hazardous to children. +# # +# Clayton says: +# # +# #You are incorrect. The most recent survey data I can find shows that +# #26% of molestation is exclusively homosexuals, 4% is bisexual (victims +# #are both male and female), and the remainder is exclusively heterosexual. + +# So what you are saying is that 74% of the child molestations are +# committed by heterosexuals. I cannot see the correlation you cite + +Bisexuals are heterosexuals? Since when? + +# which concludes that by being homosexual, you will molest children or that +# by being homosexual you will have the propensity for molesting children. + +I haven't said that ""homosexual = child molester,"" simply that is more +likely. + +# If 26% of the molestations are by homosexuals, why are you so concerned +# about creating a relation between the two? If you had evidence that +# 95% of the molestations are committed by homosexuals you might find a +# relationship. Ok, where is the realtionship you make? + +The one that is shown when NAMBLA marches in gay parades. + +# Also, what is the reason people molest? From Human Sexuality and a +# psych class or too I have taken the overwhelming voice says that people +# commit these acts as power trips and to feel in control. This has nothing +# to do with sexual orientation. + +You mean that S&M, because it's a power trip, has nothing to do with +sexual orientation? + +# mortal@netcom.com +-- +Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer My opinions, all mine! +Relations between people to be by mutual consent, or not at all. +";18;True +"From: rich.bellacera@amail.amdahl.com +Subject: Part 1 and part 2 (re: Homosexuality) +Lines: 114 +Return-Path: + +Tony- + +I read your post, it was nothing new, I had seen much the same in other +typical""Christian"" anti-gay sentimental literature. Gay people are and will +con- tinue to be persecuted as long as such propaganda petpetuates. You may +be unaware of all the statistica ""findings"" concerning African-Americans that +have been published and used by various groups to re-enforce their own bias +against African-Americans. We usually think of the KKK in these instances, +but there are many other groups. Of course, the vast majority of the public +scoff at such findings and documents today, but that was not always the case. +Fortunately African-Americans had ""whites"" who supported their 'cause' and +public sentiment was eventually (if not entirely) turned around. There was +even a Civil War, and anti-negro sentiment increased. In fact, until laws +were put in place to protect the inalienable rights of Blacks it was pretty +much legal to discriminate against them. + +I know many gays and I will NOT turn my back on them or their right to be free +form discrimination. You may think that I have been deceived or something, +that is your perogative. My church, Christian Church (Disciples of Christ) +openly affirms the rights of oppressed people of all segments of society, +including gays. We believe the Gospel message of preaching to all creation +and making disciples. We believe in the Lord's great commandment to Love, +and we beleive in standing up for the oppressed, even if it is not popular +to do so. I really like my church for last reason the most. I can find a +church almost anywhere in the valley that stands for the Gospel and believes +in the commandment of Love (though I'm hard-pressed to find many who actually +sho Love), but not many are willing to champion the oppressed, especially +within their own community. I may have lost face with the greater Christian +community for the unpopularity of my beliefs, but so did the abolitionists +against the oppression of African-Americans. Many were even killed and +treated as runaway slaves for being ""nigger-lovers"" and such. I guess I've +decided the challenge is worth it. + +In my talks with gay men and women I have heard tragic story after tragic +story centering around failed marriages, wives and husbands who are straight +who have been hurt in the process, etc. Funny thing is, I don't know of one +case where the parents, ex-wives, or even children have continued to reject +their gay family member (son, daughter, ex-husband, father, etc.) after they +began to take part in some form of support group, like PFLAG. + +I'm apalled by the legislation which passed in Colorado, and am equally out0 +raged that such slimey people as Louis Sheldon (from the Tradition Values +Coalition) have been actively working in the Christian underground to garner +support within several (8 I believe) states this coming November for more +oppressive legisation against gays. + +Perhaps you don't get it, and maybe you never will. Many didn't get it in the +Middle Ages and the proclaimed God's will be done as they massacred thousands +in witch hunts and inquisitions. + +The message that comes through, loud and clear, by proponents against gay +rights and against gays in general, is that there is a strong dislike, even +hatred for gays, whether you want to call it such or not (it doesn't change +the results). The major flaw in all this posturing is that in the end, the +final effect of posts like that of yours and Mr. Hudson is that YOU have a +""conditional"" love for gays. Condition: Change and we'll love you. This is +sure strange coming from a group who claim that God has an ""unconditional"" +love, one that calls people ""just as they are."" Sure there are things that +will 'naturally' change, and habits (like alcoholism, wife beating, etc.) that +need to be changed through some sort of therapy. But then there are things +like left-handedness, etc. that no amount of beating it out of people, is +going to result in anything more than an outward conforminty to ""other +people's expectations."" In the process this coerced conformity causes many +people a great deal of harm, especially when it is caused by people who have +nothing more to gain from it that to become even more puffed up about their +own sense of pseuper-spirituality. + +This is sad, but I thoroughly believe that one day it will change. It may be +unpopular to cry for justice and equality when the basis has to do with +something very personal like 'sexuality' (a taboo subject even today), but I +firmly believe in the rights of individuals to be free from impose regulation +on thier bedrooms. It's funny that most straight people have successfully +removed restrictive and oppressive legislation against invasive legislation, +but we like to maintain this little chestnut of repression...as though it +helps us maintain a sense of superiority over at least one segment of society. +Gay people are not criminals. + +Another interesting thing happened recently. A very prominent charismatic +church in the Silicon Valley (here) had two of it's pastors arrested for self- +admitted charges of pederasty (men having sex with boys). This had apparently +been going on for some time (a couple years?), but since the charges were +voluntary, and the church worked closely with the police, so I imagine that +was how they managed to downplay it in the media. How could such a thing +happen when the church, itself, has an ex-gay ministry? One of my friends +recently told me he was ""approached"" by someone who is going through the +reparitive therapy there, and he was thoroughly convinced that the request for +dinner was not an invitation to attend the ministry. + +These are difficult times we live in, but providing hostile environments and +creating and perpetuating an atmosphere that breed hate and violence is not +the call of the Christian community. The results of the passing amendment in +Colorado has created an organization who's posters are appearing all over +Colorado called ""S.T.R.A.I.G.H.T."" (I forget the whole definition off hand, +but the last part was Against Immoral Gross Homosexual Trash) and their motto +is ""Working for a fag-free America"" with an implicit advocation for violence. + +This is sick, and it seems to be what you and Mr. Hudson, and others are +embracing. + +We Christians have a LOOOOOOOOOONG tradition of coersion and oppression +towards those we feel don't 'measure up', and constant beratement from +organizations like The Christian Research Institute, while they do have a good +purpose also, their major work seems to be finding new and better ways of +excluding people. + +The Gospel I believe is not so negative, rather it seeks ways to ""include"" +people. I have several of Dr. Martin's books and find them quite helpful, +especially concerning 'cults.' But it seems that CRI, has become a cult unto +itself. Why don't we just stick to the positive and find ways to bring people +to Jesus istead of taking bullwhips and driving them away? + +Whatever + +Rich :-( +";19;True +"From: Clinton-HQ@Campaign92.Org (Clinton/Gore '92) +Subject: CLINTON: Press Availability With Russian Press 4.4.93 +Organization: Project GNU, Free Software Foundation, + 675 Mass. Ave., Cambridge, MA 02139, USA +1 (617) 876-3296 +Lines: 220 +NNTP-Posting-Host: life.ai.mit.edu + + + + + + THE WHITE HOUSE + + Office of the Press Secretary + (Vancouver, British Columbia) +_________________________________________________________________ +For Immediate Release April 4, 1993 + + + PRESS CONFERENCE BY THE PRESIDENT + WITH RUSSIAN PRESS + + Canada Place + Vancouver, British Columbia + + + +2:46 P.M. PDT + + + Q I had two questions for both Presidents, so you +could probably answer for Boris, too. (Laughter.) + + THE PRESIDENT: I'll give you my answer, then I'll +give you Yeltsin's answer. (Laughter.) + + Q The first is that this is the meeting of the +Presidents, so the money that's being promised is government +money, and naturally it's going to be distributed through the +government. But you've indicated that three-quarters are going +to be going to businesses. So the question is how the Russian +businesses themselves are going to be consulted, if ever? What +are the priorities, because there are several association of +Russian businessmen existing already, so will they be invited to +participate in setting up priorities for investment? + + This is the first. And second, to you. We know +that polls, public polls in America do not show that Americans +are very enthusiastic about giving this aid. Like Newsweek polls +say that about 75 percent don't approve it, and New York Times +published that 52 percent support if it just prevents civil war; +42 percent if it fosters democratic reform; and only 29 percent +if it just personally supports Yeltsin. How are you going to +sort of handle this problem that Americans themselves are not +very enthusiastic? Thank you. + + Q I have a question, I'm sorry -- is there going +to be a translation of everything into Russian? No, just the +answers. Just the answers. Okay. + + THE PRESIDENT: The answer to the first question is, +it depends on what kind of aid we're discussing. For example, +the funds that will be set up for financing new businesses will +obviously go to those businesses who apply and who seem to be +good risks and make the application. The privatization fund will +be used to support the privatization of existing public +enterprises. Then there are some other general funds in the +Democracy Corps and other things which people in Russia will have +some influence over the distribution of. + + With regard to your second question, let me say that +I would think that there would be people in both countries who +would not feel too warmly toward simply the American government +giving money to the Russian government. There's opposition to +that in Russia. And in our country, throughout our whole history +there has been an opposition to foreign aid of all kinds. That +is, this has nothing to do with Russia. If you look at the whole +history of America, any kind of aid program has always been +unpopular. + + What I have tried to tell the American people is, is +this is not an aid program, this is an investment program; that +this is an investment in our future. We spent $4 trillion -- +trillion -- on armaments on soldiers and other investments +because of the Cold War. Now, with a democratic government in +Russia, with the newly independent states, the remainder of them +working on a democracy and struggling to get their economies +going, it seems to me very much in our interest to make it +possible to do whatever we can for democracy to survive, for the +economy of Russia to grow because of the potential for trade and +investment there, and for us to continue the effort to reduce +nuclear weapons and other elements of hostility on both sides, on +our side and on the Russian side. + + So I don't see this as an aid program; this is an +investment for the United States. This is very much in the +interest of the United States. The things I announced today, the +second stage of the program, which I hope to put together next +week, in my view are things that are good for my country and for +the taxpayers and workers of my country. + + Russia is a very great nation that needs some +partnership now, some common endeavor with other people who share +her goals. But it would be a great mistake for anyone to view +this as some sort of just a charity or an aid issue. That's not +what it is, it's an investment for America and it's a wonderful +investment. + + Like all investments, there is some risk. But +there's far less risk with a far greater potential of return than +the $4 trillion we spent looking at each other across the barrier +of the Cold War. + + Q Mr. President, first of all thank you very +much, indeed, for coming here and talking to us. In the memory +of the living correspondents, this is the first time an American +President is doing this to the Russian press corps, so it's kind +of a very measured breakthrough. + + I have two questions. One, in your introductory +remarks of the other press conference, you mentioned in brief +that you discussed the START II and START I issues. Could you +tell us: Did you reach an agreement with President Yeltsin as to +what might be done in order to have Ukraine join the ratification +of START I and the NPT regime? And my second question is, how +confident you are that the United States Congress would be eager +to support you in lifting Jackson-Vanik and other restrictions +inherited from the Cold War? + + PRESIDENT CLINTON: First, we discussed the issue of +Ukraine with regard to START I and NPT, and generally, with +regard to the need to proceed to have the other independent +states all be non-nuclear; but also to have the United States +develop strong relationships with them. We know that one thing +that we could do that would increase, I think, the willingness of +the Ukraine to support this direction is to successfully conclude +our own negotiations on highly enriched uranium, because that +would provide not only an important economic opportunity for +Russia, but also for Ukraine, and it would show some reaching out +on our part. But we agreed that basically the people who signed +off on the Lisbon Protocol have got to honor what they did, and +we agreed to continue to press that. + + I, myself, have spent a good deal of time trying to +reassure Ukraine's leaders, specifically the President and the +Foreign Minister, that I want strong ties with Ukraine, that the +United States very much wants a good relationship with Ukraine, +but that, in order to do what we need to do together to +strengthen the economy of Ukraine and to have the United States +be fully supportive, the commitment to ratify START I and to join +the NPT regime is critical. + + What was the second question? + + THE PRESIDENT: With regard to Jackson-Vanik and +COCOM, I would make two points: First, I have agreed with the +Republican and Democratic leaders in the Congress that we will, +as soon as I return, have a list of all the legislative and other +restrictions, some of them are regulatory in nature, imposed on +relations between the United States and Russia, that are legacies +of the Cold War. And we will see whether they're -- how many of +them we could agree to do away with right now, at least among the +leadership of the Congress. + + With regard to Jackson-Vanik, I think there will be +an openness to change the law if the Congress is convinced there +are, in fact, no more refusniks, no more people who wish to +emigrate who are not being allowed to. If the fact is that there +is no one there who would have been -- who the law was designed +to affect, then I think that the desire to keep the law will be +much less. + + With regard to COCOM, my guess is, and it's nothing +more than a guess, that the leadership of Congress and indeed my +own advisers, might prefer to see some sort of phased movement +out of the COCOM regime. But I think they would be willing to +begin it in the fairly near future. + + Q Mr. Clinton, when I read your speech in +Annapolis, I got the impression that you have a completely +different personal -- and I stress that -- personal, not +political approach towards Russia, compared to the approach of +Mr. Bush. Could you formulate in a few words, what is the +difference between you as a personality and your approach -- the +difference between your approach to Russia and the approach of +Mr. Bush? And who made you -- why did you cite Akhmatova in the +last part of your speech? + + THE PRESIDENT: Let me say, first, I do not wish to +compare myself with President Bush or anyone else. I can't say +what was in his heart about Russia. I can say that since I was a +boy, I have been personally fascinated with the history, the +music and the culture, and the literature of Russia. I have been +thrilled by Russian music since I was a serious student of music +for more than 30 years now. I have read major Russian novelists +and many of your poets and followed your ballet and tried to know +as much as I could about your history. + + And I went to the Soviet Union -- but it was then +the Soviet Union -- you may know it was a big issue in the last +presidential campaign that I spent the first week of 1970 alone +in Moscow and did not return again until three days before Mr. +Yeltsin was elected President. But all that time I was away, I +was following events there very closely and hoping for the day +when we could be genuine partners. So I have always had a +personal feeling about Russia. + + I remember, for example -- a lot of you know I like +music very much. One of the most moving experiences for me as a +musician was when Leonard Bernstein took the New York +Philharmonic to Moscow and played Shostakovich's Fifth Symphony +to the Russians. And he played the last movement more rapidly +than anyone had ever played it before because it was technically +so difficult. That is something I followed very closely when it +occurred. + + These are things that have always had a big impact +on my life. And I had just always hoped that someday, if I ever +had the chance to, I could play a role in seeing our two +countries become closer partners. (Applause.) + + THE PRESS: Thank you. + + END3:06 P.M. PDT + + + +";18;True +"From: zklf0b@wwnv28.hou.amoco.com (Fergason) +Subject: Re: what to do with old 256k SIMMs? +Organization: Amoco Production +Lines: 21 + +In article <1ql7ug$i50@sunb.ocs.mq.edu.au> johnh@macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au (John Haddy) writes: +>In article <120466@netnews.upenn.edu>, jhaines@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Jason Haines) writes: +>|> +>|> I was wondering if people had any good uses for old +>|> 256k SIMMs. I have a bunch of them for the Apple Mac +>|> and I know lots of other people do to. I have tried to +>|> sell them but have gotten NO interest. +>|> +>|> So, if you have an inovative use (or want to buy +>|> some SIMMs 8-) ), I would be very interested in hearing +>|> about it. +> +>The most practical use I've seen for them is as key ring ornaments :-) +> +>JohnH + +I used a bunch as weights, when building a model airplane. Hung them +on the stringers, across the stringer, or whatever. Worked pretty well. + +Kelly + +";11;True +"From: haynes@cats.ucsc.edu (Jim Haynes) +Subject: Re: History question +Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz +Lines: 30 +NNTP-Posting-Host: hobbes.ucsc.edu + + +In article <1qnroe$d1n@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> wb8foz@skybridge.scl.cwru.edu (David Lesher) writes: +>An now-deceased prof told us willing students about a project he had +>worked on during WWII. +> +>They needed a mega-power PA with very clear audio quality. The purpose +>was to bellow at refugees from aircraft. +> +>Their solution was a giant compressed-air source, and a horn with +>parallel shutters worked by a small audio system. I think he said it +>worked very well, thus the War Dept. cancelled the project ;_}. + +Gee, I got the idea from somewhere that devices like this were in common +use in WWII, so that commanders on board ships could bellow at the troops +landing on a beach, for example. + +Which reminds me of an anecdote from the mid-60s. At a communications +conference a Marine Corps communications officer said he didn't care +much for all the spread-spectrum multi-access expensive communication +systems that people were talking about at the time; what he wanted +was a kilowatt broadcast transmitter on the ship and a $4.95 Japanese +transistor radio stuck in the ear of every Marine hitting the beach. +-- +haynes@cats.ucsc.edu +haynes@cats.bitnet + +""Ya can talk all ya wanna, but it's dif'rent than it was!"" +""No it aint! But ya gotta know the territory!"" + Meredith Willson: ""The Music Man"" + +";11;True +"From: dmp@fig.citib.com (Donna M. Paino) +Subject: Psoriatic Arthritis - Info Needed Please! +Originator: dmp@eagle +Organization: Citibank IBISM +Lines: 34 + + + +A friend of mine has been diagnosed with Psoriatic Arthritis, as a result of +trauma sustained in a car accident several years ago. The psoriasis is under +control but the arthritis part of the illness is not. + +Ansaid (non-steroidal anti-inflammatory) worked pretty well for three years but +isn't helping much now. My friend is now taking Meclomen (another NSAID) but +this isn't helping control the pain at all. In the past two months my friend +has also started taking Azulfadine along with the NSAID medicines, but the +effects of the combined drugs aren't supposed to be realized for several months. + +As a result of the pain, my friend is having problems sleeping. Staying in +one position too long is an ordeal. Another major contributor to pain is that +tendonitis has now developed (left thumb and hand with numbness at the base of +the palm; bottom of feet; shoulders and outer thighs). The tendonitis is +quite painful yet my friend's doctor has not recommended any form of treatment +to relieve it. + +The latest twist is that the doctor has dropped the anti-inflammatories and is +now recommending Prednisone. The hope is that the Prednisone will relieve some +of the pain from the tendonitis. + +My friend is a 41 year old male who feels like he's 80 (his words, not mine). + + +If anyone is aware of any new treatments for Psoriatic Arthritis, alternative +courses of action, support groups or literature on it, I would be extremely +grateful if you could e-mail to me. If anyone is interested, I'll post a +summary to this newsgroup. + +thanks in advance, +Donna +dmp@fig.citib.com +";4;True +"From: gerardis@cs.mcgill.ca (The GIF Emporium) +Subject: Re: 17"" Monitors +Organization: School of Computer Science, McGill University +Lines: 27 + +In article goyal@utdallas.edu (MOHIT K GOYAL) writes: + +>Oh yeah, I just read in another newsgroup that the T560i uses a high quality +>Trinitron tube than is in most monitors.(the Sony 1604S for example) and this +>is where the extra cost comes from. It is also where the high bandwidth +>comes from, and the fantastic image, and the large image size, etc, etc... + +I agree that the image is as sharp as it gets with these SONY tubes, +however in the 17"" monitors using these tubes, the 2 annoying black +lines on the top and bottom quarters of the tube, which are created due +to the wires holding up the Invar Shadow Mask, are quite annoying after +a while. That is the only thing that is making me lean more in favor +of the NEC 5FG (or now also available the NEC 5FGe - only difference, +no ACCUCOLOR ). Any experiences or opinions from people who have used +the NEC 5FG would be appreciated since I want to get one right after +my exams are all done (ie: about a week from now). + +-Tony + +------------------------------------------------------------------------ + Tony Gerardis @ McGill University - Computer Science +========================================================================= +Prefered account--------------- | The sun is the same in a relative way, + gerardis@cs.mcgill.ca | but you're older +however also available ------- | And shorter of breath and one day + tgerardi@nyx.cs.du.edu | closer to DEATH. -Floyd + gerardis@musocs.bitnet | +";5;True +"From: jeffj@krfiny.uucp (J. Jonas) +Subject: Re: Canon BJ200 (BubbleJet) and HP DeskJet 500... +Summary: there are so many refill kits now ... +Organization: Jeff's house of computer pieces +Lines: 18 + +>thomas.d.fellrath.1@nd.edu@nd.edu wrote: + +>: The key issue that I bought my BJ-200 on was ink drying speed. + +I was at the Trenton Computer Fest and there were many sources of +ink refills for the HP and Canon, so if you don't like the ink you're using, +you have a choice. There is a Frequently Asked Question (FAQ) list +that's reposted occasionally that reports how to refill the cartridges +yourself with inks that are available from the stationery store +instead of a ""specialty"" ink with the specialty price. + +I'm not sure, but I think I found another legal source of cheap +hypos for injecting ink into the cartridges. +More on that when my mail order succeeds. +-- +Jeffrey Jonas + +jeffj@panix.com +";6;True +"From: SITUNAYA@IBM3090.BHAM.AC.UK +Subject: test....(sorry) +Organization: The University of Birmingham, United Kingdom +Lines: 1 +NNTP-Posting-Host: ibm3090.bham.ac.uk + +============================================================================== +";1;True +"From: cl238405@ulkyvx.louisville.edu (Steve W Brewer) +Subject: How do I make GhostScript work? +Organization: University of Louisville +Apparently-To: gnu-ghostscript-bug@rutgers.edu +Distribution: world +Lines: 14 + +What files do I need to download for GhostScript 2.5.2? I have never used +GhostScript before, so I don't have any files for it. What I *do* have is +gs252win.zip, which I downloaded from Cica. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to +work on it's own, but needs some more files that I don't have. I want to run +GhostScript both in Windows 3.1 and in MS-DOS on a 386 PC (I understand there's +versions for both environments). What are all the files I need to download and +where can I get them? Any info would be appeciated. + +-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- + Steve W Brewer rewerB W evetS + cl238405@ulkyvx.louisville.edu ude.ellivsiuol.xvyklu@504832lc +-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- + + +";6;True +"From: bf3833@pyuxe.cc.bellcore.com (feigenbaum,benjamin) +Subject: Re: was:Go Hezbollah! +Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ +Summary: An Untried Approach +Lines: 59 + +In article <1993Apr20.114746.3364@ncsu.edu>, hernlem@chess.ncsu.edu (Brad Hernlem) writes: +> +> In article <1993Apr19.214300.17989@unocal.com>, stssdxb@st.unocal.com (Dorin Baru) writes: +> +> |> (Brad Hernlem writes: +> |> +> |> +> |> >Well, you should have noted that I was cheering an attack on an Israeli +> |> >patrol INSIDE Lebanese territory while I was condemning the ""retaliatory"" +> |> >shelling of Lebanese villages by Israeli and Israeli-backed forces. My ""team"", +> |> >you see, was ""playing fair"" while the opposing team was rearranging the +> |> >faces of the spectators in my team's viewing stands, so to speak. +> |> +> |> >I think that you should try to find more sources of news about what goes on +> |> >in Lebanon and try to see through the propaganda. There are no a priori +> |> >black and white hats but one sure wonders how the IDF can bombard villages in +> |> >retaliation to pin-point attacks on its soldiers in Lebanon and then call the +> |> >Lebanese terrorists. +> |> +> |> If the attack was justified or not is at least debatable. But this is not the +> |> issue. The issue is that you were cheering DEATH. [...] +> |> +> |> Dorin +> +> Dorin, of all the criticism of my post expressed on t.p.m., this one I accept. +> I regret that aspect of my post. It is my hope that the occupation will end (and +> the accompanying loss of life) but I believe that stiff resistance can help to +> achieve that end. Despite what some have said on t.p.m., I think that there is +> a point when losses are unacceptable. The strategy drove U.S. troops out of +> Lebanon, at least. +> +> Brad Hernlem (hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU) + +Hi Brad, + +I have two comments: Regarding your hope that the ""occupation will end... +belive that stiff resistance..etc. - how about an untried approach, i.e., +peace and cooperation. I can't help but wonder what would happen if all +violence against Israelis stopped. Hopefully, violence against Arabs +would stop at the same time. If a state of non-violence could be +maintained, perhaps a state of cooperation could be achieved, i.e., +greater economic opportunities for both peoples living in the +""territories"". + +Of course, given the current leadership of Israel, your way may work +also - but if that leadership changes, e.g., to someone with Ariel +Sharon's mentality, then I would predict a considerable loss of life, +i.e., no winners. + +Secondly, regarding your comment about the U.S. troops responding +to ""stiff resistance"" - the analogy is not quite valid. The U.S. +troops could get out of the neighborhood altogether. The Israelis +could not. + +Just my $.02 worth, no offense intended. + +Respectfully, + +Ben. +";15;True +"From: arf@genesis.MCS.COM (Jack Schmidling) +Subject: Re: The U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum: A Costly and Dangerous Mistake +Organization: MCSNet Contributor, Chicago, IL +Lines: 19 +NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.mcs.com + +In article jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) writes: +>through private contributions on Federal land"". Your hate-mongering +>article is devoid of current and historical fact, intellectual content +>and social value. Down the toilet it goes..... +> + +And we all know what an unbiased source the NYT is when it comes to things +concerning Israel. + +Neither the Times nor the trained seals who have responded thus far seem to +recognize the statement that these ""private funds"" were all tax exmpt. In +otherwords, American taxpayers put up at least 30% of the money. And +finalyy, how does ""Federal land"" mitigate the offensiveness of this alien +monument dedicated to perpetuating pitty and the continual flow of tax money +to a foreign entity? + +That ""Federal land"" and tax money could have been used to commerate +Americans or better yet, to house homeless Americans. + +";15;True +"Subject: Re: Americans and Evolution +From: halat@pooh.bears (Jim Halat) +Reply-To: halat@pooh.bears (Jim Halat) +Lines: 10 + +In article , johnsd2@jec322.its.rpi.edu (Dan Johnson) writes: +>In article 143048IO30436@MAINE.MAINE.EDU, () writes: + +Dan Johnson- + +You don't know me, but take this hand anyway. Bravo for GO(DS) = 0. +Beautiful! Simply beautiful! + +-jim halat + +";9;True +"From: martyj@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (martin johnson) +Subject: Hi Volt from battery +Keywords: capacitive discharge +Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana +Lines: 13 + +I need a small battery powered hi voltage capacitive discharge supply to +deliver ~6 joules at 250 volts. This implies a 200uf cap. I have built +a very satisfactorily operating version from a MAX641, but do not like +the idea of using a $6 single source part. It seems that the ubiquitous +camera flash circuit is what I want, but I cant get mine apart without +breaking it. I would appreciate receiving the circuit description or +a source of one. I have already looked in several electronics circuits +handbooks to no avail. Thanx +-- +______________________________________________ +| martin johnson martyj@uiuc.edu | +| ""mind your business"", on first US coin | +|____________________________________________| +";11;True +"From: jcox@x102a.harris-atd.com (Jamie Cox) +Subject: Re: serial port problem +Nntp-Posting-Host: x102a.ess.harris.com +Reply-To: jcox@x102a.ess.harris.com (Jamie Cox) +Organization: Harris Govt. Aerospace Systems Division +Keywords: serial port, powerbook +Lines: 41 + +In article <1qcq4gINN2q7@calvin.usc.edu> wls@calvin.usc.edu writes: +> +> +>A friend asked me to build a cable to connect an HP fetal heart monitor +>to a Maciontosh (SE/30). No problem, sez I. +> +>... +>I wanted to demo it on my PB 170, it won't work! +> +>The PB has been used running ZTerm and kermit using both internal and external +>modems; so I don't think it's the powerbook per se. +> +>When I send a ""^51"" to the HP it responds with ""^55^AA"" -- a test of the serial +>ports. It works on the SE/30; but not on the PB170. +> +>I thought that the SE/30 is connected to earth ground and so is the HP. So I +>connected from the chassis of the HP to the PW audio (ground) connector; still +>NG. +> +>Any thoughts? + +Battery powered devices like the PowerBook are sometimes more sensitive to +serial port weirdness. I had trouble with connecting my Mac Plus to an HP 95LX +handheld. Everything else worked okay on that port, but not the HP. (it runs +on two penlite batteries). It turned out that the plus (by accident or by +design flaw?) was putting a 4 volt bias on the serial port that was doing +weird things to the HP (which has only 3v dc!). The HP worked fine when +connected to the printer port. + +Does your PB screen get dim or anything when connected to the device? Have you +tried using the printer port? + +Good luck. + +--jamie + + +Jamie Cox jcox@ess.harris.com | Phone: 1 407 633 5757 (work) +Harris Space Systems Corp. | 1 407 723 7935 (home) +MS ROCK-2, 295 Barnes Blvd. |The Macintosh Meeting and Drinking Society +Rockledge, Florida USA | ""Speaking only for myself."" +";0;True +"Subject: Re: islamic authority over women +From: bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert Beauchaine) +Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton, OR. +Lines: 46 + +In article <1993Apr5.023044.19580@ultb.isc.rit.edu) snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu (S.N. Mozumder ) writes: +) +)That's your mistake. It would be better for the children if the mother +)raised the child. +) +)One thing that relates is among Navy men that get tatoos that say ""Mom"", +)because of the love of their mom. It makes for more virile men. +)Compare that with how homos are raised. Do a study and you will get my +)point. +) +)But in no way do you have a claim that it would be better if the men +)stayed home and raised the child. That is something false made up by +)feminists that seek a status above men. You do not recognize the fact +)that men and women have natural differences. Not just physically, but +)mentally also. +) [...] +)Your logic. I didn't say americans were the cause of worlds problems, I +)said atheists. +) [...] +)Becuase they have no code of ethics to follow, which means that atheists +)can do whatever they want which they feel is right. Something totally +)based on their feelings and those feelings cloud their rational +)thinking. +) [...] +)Yeah. I didn't say that all atheists are bad, but that they could be +)bad or good, with nothing to define bad or good. +) + + Awright! Bobby's back, in all of his shit-for-brains glory. Just + when I thought he'd turned the corner of progress, his Thorazine + prescription runs out. + + I'd put him in my kill file, but man, this is good stuff. I wish + I had his staying power. + + Fortunately, I learned not to take him too seriously long,long,long + ago. + +/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ + +Bob Beauchaine bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM + +They said that Queens could stay, they blew the Bronx away, +and sank Manhattan out at sea. + +^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +";9;True +"From: SKUKRETI@CHEMICAL.watstar.uwaterloo.ca (Sanjai Kukreti) +Subject: Advice on used car? +Lines: 11 +Organization: University of Waterloo + +Hi, I was looking for some helpful advice. +I'm a university student with about $7000 to spend, and I'm looking for a +used car. Does anyone have any useful advice they could offer to a first- +time buyer? I'm not looking for anything sporty, just something functional +and reliable (less maintenance costs). Anybody have any ideas on what models +might suit me? + +Thanks + +Sanjai + +";10;True +"From: jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) +Subject: Re: The Inimitable Rushdie +Organization: Boston University Physics Department +Lines: 27 + +In article <1qlb7oINN684@shelley.u.washington.edu> +jimh@carson.u.washington.edu (James Hogan) writes: + + +>20:52 P.S.T. I come to my senses and accept the all-knowing +>wisdom and power of the Quran and Allah. Not only that, but Allah +>himself drops by to congratulate me on my wise choice. Allah rolls a +>few bones and we get down. Then Allah gets out the Crisco, bends +>over, and invites me to take a spin around the block. Wow. + + +>20:56 P.S.T. I realize that maybe Allah is looking for more of a +>commitment than I'm ready for, so I say ""Man, I've got some +>programming to do. Gotta go. I'll call you."" + + +>20:59 P.S.T Thinking it over, I renounce Islam. + +What loyalty! + +Jim, it seems you've been reading a little too much Russell Hoban +lately. As Hemingway said, my imitators always imitate the _bad_ +aspects of my writing. Hoban would, no doubt, say the same here. + + + +Gregg +";9;True +"From: don@hunan.rastek.com (Donald Owen Newbold) +Subject: Re: ATM... ==> Now HPLJ 4 Pricing +Organization: Rastek Corporation, Huntsville, AL +Lines: 41 + +While there are too many PS clones to count, some of which are quite poor, +trying to clone something that goes through regular modifications does require +some patience. Three questions come to mid real quick for something like +this. + +Q: Which version of Adobe PS will we clone? + Aside from the level 1 and level 2 issues, Adobe has in the past released + new code that incorporates modifications/upgrades/fixes just as all other + software vendors do. The level 2 stuff may seem sound now, but I assure + you,changes will become more frequent as their customer list begins to + dwindle in the face of competition. This allows them to shift people to + maintenance, as well as design efforts for level 3. + +Q: Do we duplicate the bugs, or do we make it work correctly? + From the LaserWriter to the LaserJet 4 there have been bugs. (If I had + a number to call at HP or Adobe, they'ld have heard from me.) Deciding + which approach to take depends on which printer you want to emulate. + +Q: Do we follow the Red Book, or do we follow someone's implementation? + Without a doubt, there are differences between the Red Book and Adobe's + PS. With level 2 many issues have been refined but the Red Book does + leave big, big holes in the implementation specific stuff. It would be + nice it the Red Bood at least pined things down enough so that two + different implementations of Adobe's PS don't do the exact opposite given + an identical set of conditions. + +Q: PSCRIPT.DRV? + Having done a lot of PS clone testing myself, the unfortunate side of + testing is the limited number of sources for test files. The primary + source we use is Genoa. And having characterizes their 1992 PS ATS files, + (1300+ of them) over half are taken from PSCRIPT.DRV. It may not ideal, + but the ATS files are what the printer vendors use. I'm sure that Adobe + uses them too, but Adobe's output is by definition correct, even if its + wrong. + +Yes, there are some very poor clones. We've seen them here at Rastek (a sub +of Genicom which has its own clone called GeniScript). Some are poor for lack +of design, some are poor because they followed the Red Book, and some are poor +because the vendors don't know what PS is. + +Don Newbold don@rastek.com +";6;True +"From: mrm@st-andrews.ac.uk (Malcolm R. McLeod) +Subject: WEN 20"" monitor help +Organization: St. Andrews University, Scotland. +Lines: 5 + +does anybody have any info on this monitor or the manufacturers? + +all help through e-mail please. + +Scotty. +";5;True +"From: joslin@pogo.isp.pitt.edu (David Joslin) +Subject: Re: Food For Thought On Tyre +Organization: Intelligent Systems Program +Lines: 113 + +king@ctron.com (John E. King) writes: +>Not exactly. The prophesy clearly implies that people would +>still be living in the area, but by the same token it would +>never be ""rebuilt"". Obviously , if people are still there they +>would live in houses, correct? Their ""nets"" implies a fishing +>village. This is exactly what it has become -- a far cry from +>its original position of stature . + +Looking at [1] we find that during Roman times ""Tyre vied with Sidon +for first place in the intellectual life of the period""; that Tyre was +the seat of a Christian bishop, eventually with 14 dioceses under it; +that ""the most magnificent church of its kind in all Phoenecia"" was the +basilica built in Tyre ca. 314; that Tyre was well known for its +exports of glassware, wine, white marble, and dyed cloth; that Tyre, +along with other seaports, ""provided outlets for South Arabian, Indian +and even Chinese trade""; that Tyre had to accomodate its growing +population by ""following a perpendicular, rather than horizontal, line +of growth"" (because it was running out of land to build on); that Tyre +established colonies of its own. None of this sounds like a ""small +fishing village"" by any stretch of the imagination. + +Centuries later, under the Abbasids, Tyre had ""opulent and flourishing +bazaars"" and buildings of 5-6 stories. During this period, Tyre was +""noted for its export of sugar, beads, and, as of old, glassware."" +During the Crusades, Tyre was the second-most flourishing city held +by Franks. (There is a lot more, but I got tired of writing.) + +In [2] we read the following description of modern Lebanon: ""other +*major cities* in Lebanon include Tripoli, Sidon, Tyre, Baalbek and +Zahlah."" [my emphasis] This source also discusses the impact of +the Lebanese Civil War, and the Israeli military actions (1978, 1982) +on the trading ports of Tyre and Sidon. It notes that after Israel's +withdrawel in 1984, ""Tyre appeared to enjoy a revival of its local +economy."" + +If Tyre is such an insignificant little fishing village at present, +why is it always called a city (or, above, a ""major city"")? Why +does it show up on all the maps? When population figures for cities +in Lebanon are given, why is Tyre always one of the cities on the +list (even if the list is only a dozen cities long)? + +[1] Philip K. Hitti, _Lebanon in History: From the earliest times to +the present_, NY, St. Martins, 1967. + +[2] Federal Research Division, Library of Congress, _Lebanon: a +country study_, edited by Thomas Collelo, 1989. + +>>In the early 1980's Tyre had over 22,000 people. +> +>So far I've seen stated figurers ranging from 15,000 to 22,000. +>Let's assume the latter one is correct. By modern standards +>we are talking about a one-horse town. + +A one-horse town? Sounds like a lot of work for one horse. +(Anyway, Tyre is connected by roads to the mainland. They +may even use cars these days. :-) + +The 1991 Encyclopedia Britannica says ""Pop. (1982 est.) 23,000."" +Most other references give figures in the 14-17 thousand range. +(One atlas gives the population of Tyre as 60,000; the same +source give comparatively high figures for Sidon and Beirut, also, +so I doubt that it is a typo. Perhaps these were figures for +the cities and their surrounding areas.) I don't doubt that the +population of Tyre has fluctuated over the last few decades. In +particular, the 1982 Israeli military action hurt Tyre quite a bit. + +>> After Alex the G it fell once more in the 1200's, I believe. What +>>other times did it fall that you were thinking of? +> +>To Egypt (250 bce); to the Seleucids (198 bce); Rome (63 bce); after +>Rome it fell to various Arab contingents until 1124 ce when it was +>captured in the Crusades; it was then recaptured again by the Muslims +>in 1291 ce and subsequently pillaged; then the French, Turks, British, +>and today, Lebanon. + +I thought you were talking about times that Tyre was destroyed. +Don't most, if not all, of these apply not just to Tyre but to +the other cities in the area? Sidon, for example? Can you make +a case for Tyre having been singled out? + +>>Well, it recovered enough to have a thriving commerce in the dye +>>""Tyrian purple"" in Roman times. +> +>This is correct, but they were under Roman domination, and the +>majority of the created wealth was siphoned off. The prophesy +>hold true. + +They had a good deal of autonomy under the Seleucids. From [2]: +Tyre ""receiv[ed] the rights [of autonomy] from Antiochus Ephiphanes +and from 125 BC onward enjoy[ed] complete autonomy. She started a +large series of coins, occasionally in gold ..."" + +The descriptions of Tyre under the Romans don't seem to fit +your characterization, either. And under the Abbasids it seems +to have been allowed to flourish. I still think you are stretching +when you try to describe Tyre as having been nothing but a small +fishing village. + +>Who is Josh McDowell. + +A Christian apologist whose standards of scholarship are quite low. +He happens to quote the same source you quote (Nina Jidejian, +_Tyre through the Ages_, Beirut, Dar El-Mashreq Publishers, 1969). +The same sentence, in fact. He defends the fulfillment of the +prophecy using the same argument you are using, an argument that +I haven't seen in print anywhere else, which is why I jumped to +the conclusion that you were quoting Josh. + +(I tried to find the Jidejian book, but it isn't listed in Books +in Print. Can you tell me more about it? Her descriptions are so +much at odds with everything else I've read; I'm curious to know why.) + +dj +";19;True +"From: oj@world.std.com (Oliver Jones) +Subject: Re: A Question I Do Not Found In FAQ +Organization: Shawsheen Software +Lines: 11 + +In article <1993Apr26.122007.25760@relay.nswc.navy.mil> rchui@opal.nswc.navy.mil writes: +>I created a pixmap or drawable window, then used XDrawLine() function +>to draw a [clipped] line ... = 300 +... +>I created the pixmap or drawable window only with size 300x300. +>But I draw line from p1(x1=270,y1=100) to p2(x2=500,y2=800). +>My question is, dose the XDrawLine function can finger out that correct +>p3(x3 and y3) for me? If you calculate x3 and y3. + +If you're asking, ""does the X server perform clipping +correctly when drawing lines,"" the answer is ""yes."" +";12;True +"From: gerrit@laosinh.stgt.sub.org (Gerrit Heitsch) +Subject: Re: 6551A and 6551 compatibility +Distribution: world +Organization: Lao-Sinh project (private UUCP site) +Lines: 31 + +In article , Internet Surfer writes: + +> Does any one know if the 6551 is timing/pin compatible with the 6551.. + +No, the 6551A is able to operate in a 2 MHz system, the 6551 can only +take 1 MHz without problems. + +If you see a 8551 made by MOS or CSG, take it, its a 6551A. + +> It seems the 6551 has in iheirent bug with cts/rts handshaking and i need +> a suitable pin replacement to put in my serial card... possibly a buffered +> version perhaps? + +I know no fixed version of the 6551. There are different possibilities +to work around this bug. The easiest is to tie _CTS to GND and +use _DSR or _DCD as _CTS. It should be easy to fix the software, +_DSR is bit 6 and DCD ist bit 5 of the Status Register (Read 6551 +with RS1 = low and RS0 = high). + +Using the _CTS-line can lead into big trouble. The 6551 _instantly_ +stops transmission if _CTS goes high. This means, that you may +get only a half byte... + +Gerrit + +-- + Gerrit Heitsch Moenchweg 16 7038 Holzgerlingen Germany + Logical adresses: UUCP: gerrit@laosinh.stgt.sub.org FIDO: (2:2407/106.9) +If we will ever be visited by Aliens, it will be very hard to explain, why a + lifeform, that is intelligent enough to build atomic weapons can be stupid + enough to do it. (taken from GEO special about space, page 88-91) +";11;True +"From: Thomas Kephart +Subject: Mac 800 numbers +Organization: Case School of Engineering +Lines: 90 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: b62182.student.cwru.edu +X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d20 +X-XXMessage-ID: +X-XXDate: Mon, 19 Apr 93 21:15:37 GMT + +Here's a list of 800 numbers I have compiled from other sources... +anybody got anything to add? + +It's formatted for Alpha, and looks fine for me, so don't complain if it +doesn't look good to you. + + + + * Adobe 1-415-961-0911 + FAX info 1-800-235-0078 + * Aldus 1-206-622-5500 + * Alladin 1-408-685-9175 + * Altsys 1-214-680-2060 + * APDA 1-800-282-2732 + (Apple Prog Dev Assoc) + * Apple Computer 1-408-996-1010 + * Apple Customer 1-800-776-2333 + Non-Tech assistance + * APS 1-800-233-7550 + (Alliance Peripheral Sys) + * ASD Softwae 1-714-624-2594 + FAX 1-714-624-9574 + * Berkeley Systems 1-415-540-5535 + * Cayman Systems 1-800-473-4776 + * CE Software 1-515-224-1953 + * Claris 1-408-727-8227 + 1-408-727-9054 + Claris Software 1-800-3CL-ARIS + * Compatible Systems 1-800-356-0283 + * Computer Associates C.A 1-408-648-4000 + * Connectix 1-800-950-5880 + * DataViz 1-203-268-0300 + * Dayna 1-801-972-2000 + * DeltaPoint 1-800-367-4334 + * Deneba 1-305-594-6965 + * Dr.Mac: 1-800-825-6227 + * Fifth Generation 1-800-873-4384 + * GreatWave 1-408-438-1990 + * ICOM Simulations 1-708-520-4440 + * MacAvenue: 1-800-926-6221 + * MacConnection: 1-800-334-4444 + * MacLand: 1-800-888-8779 + * MacroMind 1-415-442-0200 + * Mac's Place: 1-800-367-4222 + * MacWarehouse: 1-800-255-6227 + * Microcom 1-919-490-1277 + * Microsoft 1-800-426-9400 + Educational: 1-800-227-4679 + General: 1-206-882-8088 + Sales and Services: 1-800-426-9400 + Then punch: + 1 Technical Assistance + 2 University + * Shiva 1-617-864-8100 + * Silicon Beach 1-619-695-6956 + * Symantec 1-800-441-7234 + * The Mac Zone: 1-800-248-0800 + * Chip Merchant 1-800-426-6375 + * ClearPoint Computers 1-800-253-2778 + * ClubMac 1-800-CLU-BMAC + * Delta Research Labs 1-800-999-1593 + * Diamond 1-800-541-7126 + * Dynamic Electronics 1-800-845-8228 + * ETC 1-800-882-2863 + * Global Village Telecom. 1-800-736-4821 + Mac ADB modems + * Lifetime Memory 1-800-233-6233 + * LLB 1-800-848-8967 + * Macproducts USA 1-800 MAC DISK + * MacProducts: 1-800-MAC-USA1 + * Megabyte Memory 1-800-748-5766 + Products + * Memory International 1-800-266-0488 + * Memory Plus 1-800-388-PLUS + * Micro Electronic Tech 1-800-766-7466 + * Newer Technology 1-800-678-3726 + * Peripheral Outlet 1-800-332-6581 + * PSI 1-800-622-1722 + * Quadmation 1-800-733-7887 + * Shecom Computers 1-800-366-4433 + * SII Micros 1-800-424-1126 + * South Coast Electronics 1-800-289-8801 + * Stratum Technologies 1-800-533-1744 + * Technology Works 1-800-688-7466 + * Texas Macstuf 1-800-MAC-STUF + * Third Wave Computing 1-800-284-0486 + * Third Wave 1-800-284-0846 + * Turbo Technologies 1-800-542-7466 + +1-800-555-1212 directory assistance for 1-800 numbers +";0;True +"From: nickh@CS.CMU.EDU (Nick Haines) +Subject: Re: What if the USSR had reached the Moon first? +In-Reply-To: gary@ke4zv.uucp's message of Sun, 18 Apr 1993 09:10:51 GMT +Originator: nickh@SNOW.FOX.CS.CMU.EDU +Nntp-Posting-Host: snow.fox.cs.cmu.edu +Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University + <1993Apr7.124724.22534@yang.earlham.edu> + <1993Apr12.161742.22647@yang.earlham.edu> + <93107.144339SAUNDRSG@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> + <1993Apr18.091051.14496@ke4zv.uucp> +Lines: 35 + +In article <1993Apr18.091051.14496@ke4zv.uucp> gary@ke4zv.uucp (Gary Coffman) writes: + + In article <93107.144339SAUNDRSG@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> Graydon writes: + + >This is turning into 'what's a moonbase good for', and I ought not + >to post when I've a hundred some odd posts to go, but I would + >think that the real reason to have a moon base is economic. + > + >Since someone with space industry will presumeably have a much + >larger GNP than they would _without_ space industry, eventually, + >they will simply be able to afford more stuff. + + If I read you right, you're saying in essence that, with a larger + economy, nations will have more discretionary funds to *waste* on a + lunar facility. That was certainly partially the case with Apollo, + but real Lunar colonies will probably require a continuing + military, scientific, or commercial reason for being rather than + just a ""we have the money, why not?"" approach. + +Ah, but the whole point is that money spent on a lunar base is not +wasted on the moon. It's not like they'd be using $1000 (1000R?) bills +to fuel their moon-dozers. The money to fund a lunar base would be +spent in the country to which the base belonged. It's a way of funding +high-tech research, just like DARPA was a good excuse to fund various +fields of research, under the pretense that it was crucial to the +defense of the country, or like ESPRIT is a good excuse for the EC to +fund research, under the pretense that it's good for pan-European +cooperation. + +Now maybe you think that government-funded research is a waste of +money (in fact, I'm pretty sure you do), but it does count as +investment spending, which does boost the economy (and just look at +the size of that multiplier :->). + +Nick Haines nickh@cmu.edu +";2;True +"From: stephens@geod.emr.ca (Dave Stephenson) +Subject: Re: Clementine Science Team Selected +Nntp-Posting-Host: ngis.geod.emr.ca +Organization: Dept. of Energy, Mines, and Resources, Ottawa +Lines: 32 + +nickh@CS.CMU.EDU (Nick Haines) writes: + +>In article stephens@geod.emr.ca (Dave Stephenson) writes: + +> Remember the first government scientist in the British Empire was +> the Astronomer Royal, who was paid [...] from the Department +> of Ordinance Budget (i.e. the military). Flamsteed House (the original +> RGO) was built out of Army Surplus Scrap ( A gate house at the Tower of +> London ?), and paid for by the sale of time expired gunpowder [...] + +>At the time, astronomy was vital to the military, in that navigation +>and cartography were of primary impoortance to the military, and good +>cartography was impossible without good astronomy. + +>The relevance these daysis somewhat less obvious. + +>Nick + +It still applies, except the astronomy these days is Very Long Baseline +Radio Astronomy coupled to GPS and Satellite Laser Ranging. The data +from NASA's and the Naval Observatory's (among others) is a vital +source of data for studies into crustal dynamics, Earth rotation, and +purturbations. Every time there is a leap second added to the New Year, +remember the military and science are still co-habiting nicely. The +same VLBI was used to track Gallileo as it passed the Earth, and used +so little fuel that it can afford to observe Ida. + +-- +Dave Stephenson +Geodetic Survey of Canada +Ottawa, Ontario, Canada +Internet: stephens@geod.emr.ca +";2;True +"From: eulenbrg@carson.u.washington.edu (Julia Eulenberg) +Subject: Re: Arythmia +Article-I.D.: shelley.1r7mfbINNhvu +Organization: University of Washington +Lines: 2 +NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu + +Alexis Perry asked if low blood potassium could be dangerous. Yes. +ZZ +";4;True +"From: dil.admin@mhs.unc.edu (Dave Laudicina) +Subject: More Diamond SS 24X +Nntp-Posting-Host: dil.adp.unc.edu +Organization: UNC Office of Information Technology +Lines: 11 + +Has anyone experienced a faint shadow at all resolutions using this +card. Is only in Windows. I have replaced card and am waiting on +latest drivers. Also have experienced General Protection Fault Errors +in WSPDPSF.DRV on Winword Tools Option menu and in WINFAX setup. +I had a ATI Ultra but was getting Genral Protection Fault errors +in an SPSS application. These card manufactures must have terrible +quality control to let products on the market with so many bugs. +What a hassle. Running on Gateway 2000 DX2/50. +Thx Dave L + + +";6;True +"From: chris@sarah.lerc.nasa.gov (Chris Johnston) +Subject: Re: 3d-Studio V2.01 : Any differences with previous version +Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center, Cleveland, OH +Lines: 13 +Distribution: world +Reply-To: chris@sarah.lerc.nasa.gov (Chris Johnston) +NNTP-Posting-Host: looney.lerc.nasa.gov +Keywords: 3d studio 2.01 + +As I understand it, THe difference between 3D Studio 2.00 and 2.01 is mainly +in the IPAS interface, along with a few small bug fixes. The IPAS code runs +a lot faster in the newest version. + +-- ++---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +| Chris Johnston (216) 433-5029 | +| Materials Engineer (216) 433-5033 | +| NASA Lewis Research Center Internet: chris@sarah.lerc.nasa.gov | +| 21000 Brookpark Rd MS 105-1 | +| Cleveland, OH 4413 USA Resistance is futile! | ++---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ + +";1;True +"Organization: City University of New York +From: +Subject: Re: Most recent U.N. members? +Lines: 4 + + # 179 Czech Republic # 180 Republic of Slovakia They were admitted early + this year. Liechenstein was also recently admitted. Also San Marino. + Both within the last 12 months. Incredible what passes for a nation-sta + state nowadays. +";18;True +"From: lynch@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Howard Lynch) +Subject: Re: PHILLIES SIGN MARK DAVIS +Organization: the HP Corporate notes server +Lines: 8 + +I had heard the rumors about LA, Cin, Hou, and SD all being +interested in Mark Davis, so it doesn't surprise me that a +team had to give up something and cash to actually get him. + +Lynch ""MOB"" + +ps. anyone else draft this guy? i really did and got a + loud cry of ""when will you ever give up on this guy"" :-) +";14;True +"From: deniz@mandolin.ctr.columbia.edu (Deniz Akkus) +Subject: Re: ARMENIA SAYS IT COULD SHOOT DOWN TURKISH PLANES +Organization: Columbia University Center for Telecommunications Research +X-Posted-From: mandolin.ctr.columbia.edu +NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu +Lines: 46 + +In article <1993Apr20.190606.13801@kpc.com> henrik@quayle.kpc.com writes: +>In article <1993Apr20.173009.10580@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>, deniz@mandolin.ctr.columbia.edu (Deniz Akkus) writes: +> +> Well, this is your opinion ! +> + +Of course it is! + +> Turkish/ Azeris can BARK all they WANT since the ABOVE is UNTRUE. However, +> I am sure YOU GUYS would have NEVER brought up ARMENIA's involvement if +> KARABAKHI-Armenians had had HEAVY losses. +> + +And this is your opinion. It is not any more valid due to repeated +capital letters and words such as 'untrue' 'never' etc. + +> Read what ? The New York Times , that is publishing anti-armenian +> articles. Nop, I have my resources. Look, everyone knows how aggressive +> Turks/Azeris have been in the past. Armenians ARE NOT gona sit +> around and watch FIRE WORKS by AZERIS taught by TURKS. + +So Armenians are justified in aggression since supposedly Turks have +been aggressive in the past? I don't follow your logic. + +>DA] I don't wish to get into the Cyprus discussion. Turkey had the right to +> +> Not a chance ! You CAN NOT convince me (based on your REASONS)that +> your GOVERNMENT did the RIGHT thing to invade CYPRUS. + +I have said that I don't wish to get into Cyprus discussion and did not +give any reasons for Turkey's involvement. I also am not trying to +convince you of anything, seeing no reason to waste any time.... + +>DA] Lastly, why is there not a soc.culture.armenia? I vote yes for it. +>DA] After all, it is now free. +> +> Well, I am NOT in the position to agree or disadree with you. +> +> + +I am serious. Let's get soc.culture.armenia started and have some peace +of mind? + +Deniz Akkus + + +";15;True +"From: pmontan@nswc-wo.navy.mil (Paul Montanaro) +Subject: Re: TCP/IP routing LocalTalk-Ethernet. +Organization: NSWC +Lines: 32 + +In article <1qpn8uINNjs8@stimpy.css.itd.umich.edu>, +bchuang@css.itd.umich.edu (Ben Chuang) wrote: +> +> Here is the story: +> I have a network with 4 Macs on Localtalk. One of them has an +> Ethernet Card, and is currently connected to a NeXT (don't laugh +> I got it for the price of a Mac IIsi). The NeXT is connected +> to the internet over SLIP running on a 9600 baud modem. +> +> Currently, we can telnet from the Mac w/ Ethernet to the NeXT, +> and then telnet out again to the rest of the world. +> +> What we want to know is if there is some sort of hardware that +> will route telnet sessions from the Localtalk Macs to the NeXT +> via the Ethernet Mac. From what we have heard, AIR doesn't do +> the trick. +> +> Software solutions would be good too, but my impression is that +> there aren't going to be any. +> +> Our immediate interest is to be able to get to the NeXT and telnet +> out again. The SLIP connection doesn't allow us to assign IP numbers +> to machines, so everyone shares that 1 number...oh well... +> + + What you need is a hardware router such as EtherRoute/TCP made by +Compatable Systems ($1400). This will allow you to connect your Localtalk +network (4 Macs) to your Ethernet network (NeXT and Ethernet Mac). It will +route TCP/IP protocol between the two networks. Software routers are also +available for less money, but I'm not sure if they work with TCP/IP. + +Paul +";0;True +"From: luriem@alleg.edu The Liberalizer (Michael Lurie) +Subject: Re: Joe Robbie Stadium ""NOT FOR BASEBALL"" +Article-I.D.: alleg.1993Apr6.210510.2943 +Organization: Allegheny College +Lines: 10 + +In article <1993Apr6.025027.4846@oswego.Oswego.EDU> iacs3650@Oswego.EDU +(Kevin Mundstock) writes: +> Did anyone notice the words ""NOT FOR BASEBALL"" printed on the picture +> of Joe Robbie Stadium in the Opening Day season preview section in USA +> Today? Any reason given for this? + + + +Yes, and the answer is simple. To create a better feeling in the park, the +seats will be folded back for baseball games where you saw those words. +";14;True +"From: brian@nostromo.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Brian Colaric Sun Dallas DSE) +Subject: Help: OS2 Presentation Mgr port to X +Organization: Sun Microsystems +Lines: 17 +Distribution: world +Reply-To: Brian.Colaric@dallas.Central.Sun.COM +NNTP-Posting-Host: nostromo.central.sun.com + +I need to port several OS/2 PM applications to X (OpenWindows or Motif), +and desperately need any information on how to go about doing this (short +of a complete rewrite. + +Are there any tool to make porting easer? +Any References? +Any talent out there to hire to do this? +I will even take an OS/2 Presentation Mgr emulator for sun! + +Any, and all replies (except flames) welcome! + + +Brian Colaric + +Brian.Colaric@dallas.Central.Sun.COM + + +";12;True +"From: REXLEX@fnal.fnal.gov +Subject: Assurance of Hell +Organization: FNAL/AD/Net +Lines: 139 + +I dreamed that the great judgment morning had dawned, + and the trumpet had blown. +I dreamed that the sinners had gathered for judgment + before the white throne. +Oh what weeping and wailing as the lost were told of their fate. +They cried for the rock and the mountains. +They prayed, but their prayers were too late. +The soul that had put off salvation, +""Not tonight I'll get saved by and by. + No time now to think of ....... religion,"" +Alas, he had found time to die. +And I saw a Great White Throne. + +Now, some have protest by saying that the fear of hell is not good for +motivation, yet Jesus thought it was. Paul thought it was. Paul said, +""Knowing therefore, the terror of the Lord, we persuade men."" + +Today, too much of our evangelism is nothing but soft soap and some of +it is nothing but evangelical salesmanship. We don't tell people anymore, that +there's such a thing as sin or that there's such a place as hell. + +As Jayne has said, this doesn't mean we have to come on so strong so as to hit +people over the head with a baseball bat. Yet the fact remains, there is a +place called hell. A place so fearful that God died to save us from having to +experience it. Whatever you or I, as Christians, do, we should do whatever we +can to win people to the Lord, if for no other reason, to keep them from going +to ""outer darkness."". + +Jesus, in Mt. 25, tells us that He didn't prepare hell for people. He prepared +it for the Devil and his angels. No where in the Bible do I read -anywhere, +that God predestined anybody to go to hell. D.L. Moody use to say that the +elect are the ""whosoever will"" and the nonelect are the ""whosoever wont's."" +Whether or not that's theologically sound, I couldn't defend, but its +practical. Jesus said to the people of Israel, ""Ye would not."" + +Now, some of you may not be students of the Bible, heck -some of you may not be +Christians. Have you ever said to somebody, ""I don't believe in hell. I +believe in the religion of Jesus."" But did you know that Jesus talked more +about hell than He did about heaven! ""Oh I believe in the religion of the +sermon on the mount."" You find hell taught by Jesus in the sermon on the +mount. You'll read that Jesus talked about the tree being cast into the fire. +Several times he talks about hell and about judgment. In fact, over and over +in the synoptics, Matthew, Mark and Luke, Jesus talks about hell. Not Isaiah. +Not Moses. Not John the Baptist, though he did, but Jesus, the Son of God. +The great Beloved One preached about hell because He loved people and didn't +want to see them go there. + +Now, if there is no hell then Jesus preached in vain. It was our Lord Jesus, +not some angry Baptist preacher, that said, ""where the worm never dies, and +where the fire never goes out."" Jesus said that. It was Jesus who called hell +a ""furnace of fire."" It was Jesus that used the word, ""condemnation."" ""And +this is the condemnation, that men love darkness rather than light because +their deeds are evil. Jesus said that. + +How can we get it across to you that a loving, dying Jesus preached about hell? + Not only that, but He went through hell. That's what Calgary was all about. +When my Lord was on the cross, darkness fell. He called hell, ""outer +darkness."" + +Do you have this idea that hell is a place where the gamblers are gambling over +here, the drunks are getting drunk over there, and the prostitutes are +prostituting their bodies over there? That's not what hell is. Hell's not a +party. There's no fellowship there. He called it ""outer darkness."" ""Outer"" +-away from God. ""Darkness"" -God is light. + +No when He was on the cross, He was made sin for you and for me. God treated +Jesus the way sinners have to be treated. That's is a sobering thought. As my +son would say, an ""awesome"" thought. + +""My God, My God why hast Thou forsaken me?"" Hell is isolation. There's no +fellowship in hell. There's no friendship in hell. There's no loving embrace +in hell. There's no hand shake in hell. There's no word of encouragement in +hell. + +""I thirst."" It goes much deeper than physical thirst. Hell is eternal craving +with no satisfaction. The man whose life was lived for drugs, will crave it +eternally. The man whose life was lived for the lust of a woman's body, will +crave it eternally -and not be satisfied. One theologian has put it this way +and I think it deserves merit. What is hell? Hell is just the kind of +environment that matches the internal condition of the lost. + +In a recent post, I was trying to remember the founder of The Word of Life +ministries. I've remembered his name, Jack Wertzen, and found that the +illustration that I gave wasn't his. His illustration was that he was talking +to his barber and his barber's wife and daughter had just recently been saved +and he was commenting about it to Jack. ""They sing these songs and read Bible +verses, and their praising this and that -I can't stand it! Jack, do you think +God would send me to hell?"" Jack answered by saying, ""Yes I think he would!"" +Of course the barber said, ""What do you mean by that."" ""Well if you can't +stand living at home with your wife and daughter who sing hymns and praises to +God now, what would you do in heaven where they'll do it for eternity? You'd +be miserable. Because God loves you, He'd put you where it would match what +you really are."" It makes a man think. + +The crucifixion of Jesus Christ is a fact that necessitates the eternal +existence of hell because on the cross He performed an eternal act. Don't ask +me how, I don't know. But He is God and He is the infinite/eternal and when He +died, He died an infinite/eternal death. It is by that eternal act that He +purchased eternal life for the ""whosoever wills."" He suffered eternal +judgment. + +A lot of people would like to detour around hell by saying ""Everybody is going +to be saved eventually."" -universalism. My Bible says no, He'll separate +them. The sheep from the goats. "".After you die there's a probationary period +in which God prepares you for heaven."" No, my Bible says that ""It is appointed +unto men once to die and then comes judgment."" Some of the cultist believe in +annihilation. After you die, sssswish. Just like a mosquito you're squished +out. No, in Rev we are told that their is eternal existence in hell just as +there is in heaven. + +I don't enjoy making these kind of statements and maybe you don't enjoy +listening to them, but we have to preach the entire Word of God. -There is a +place called hell. If I could give one verse of Scripture that could give any +hope that people aren't going there, I'd give it to you, but I haven't found +it. That fact that there is a place called hell, the fact that our God is a +God of holiness and must judge sin, the fact that He has made us the kind of +creatures we are and therefore we're responsible, the fact that He has placed +us in a ""uni""verse that has purpose and design behind it, the fact that sin is +such an awful thing and the fact that God Himself went through hell to save us +from hell leads us to two applications. + +1) As I've already mentioned. If you are a Christian, you must worn others. +Its not good enough to stop and fix their flat tire and not tell them that just +around the bend the bridge is out. ""Knowing therefore the terror of Lord, we +persuade men."" + +2) If you haven't accepted Jesus are your Savior, you're taking an awful +chance. As I say to the Jehovah Witnesses (who no longer frequent my door), if +you are right and I am wrong, then I will have lived a good life and will die +and cease to exist, but if I am right and you are wrong, then you will die and +suffer eternal damnation. I don't mean to make fun at this point, but its like +Dirty Harry said, ""You've got to ask yourself, 'Do I feel lucky?' Well do +you?"" ""A man's got to know his limitations."" Don't be one of the ""whosoever +wont's."" + +""Because while I was yet a sinner, He died for me."" +""There's no greater love than this, that a man lay down his life for another."" +--Rex + +";17;True +"From: lanphi872@moscow.uidaho.edu (Rob Lanphier) +Subject: Re: A KIND and LOVING God!! +Organization: University of Idaho +Lines: 104 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: snake.cs.uidaho.edu +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] + +Malcolm Lee (mlee@post.RoyalRoads.ca) wrote: +: I will clarify my earlier quote. God's laws were originally written for +: the Israelites. Jesus changed that fact by now making the Law applicable to +: all people, not just the Jews. Gentiles could be part of the kingdom of +: Heaven through the saving grace of God. I never said that the Law was made +: obsolete by Jesus. + +Just for reference, here's the earlier quote: +Malcolm Lee (mlee@post.RoyalRoads.ca) wrote in reference to Leviticus 21:9 +and Deuteronomy 22:20-25: +: These laws written for the Israelites, God's chosen people whom God had +: expressly set apart from the rest of the world. The Israelites were a +: direct witness to God's existence. To disobey God after KNOWing that God +: is real would be an outright denial of God and therefore immediately +: punishable. +: Remember, these laws were written for a different time and applied only to +: God's chosen people. But Jesus has changed all of that. We are living in +: the age of grace. Sin is no longer immediately punishable by death. There +: is repentance and there is salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ. And +: not just for a few chosen people. Salvation is available to everyone, Jew +: and Gentile alike. + +These are two conflicting statements. To say one is a clarification of the +other is a breach of logic. I don't mind people shifting their position on +an issue. It irritates me when it is said under the premise that no change +was made. What about Deuteronomy 22:20-25? Is it wrong now? Did Jesus +change that? + +: If anything, He clarified the Law such as in that quote you made. In the +: following verses, Jesus takes several portions of the Law and expounds upon +: the Law giving clearer meaning to what God intended. + +Sure he does this. However, he doesn't address the notion of stoning +non-virgin brides, because this needs no clarification. Are you going to +deny that Deuteronomy 22:20-25 is not patently clear in its intent? + +: I think you will agree with me that there are in today's world, a lot of +: modern-day Pharisees who know the bible from end to end but do not believe +: in it. What good is head knowledge if there is nothing in the heart? + +I'll agree that there is a lot of modern day Pharisees that know the Bible +from end to end and don't believe in it. Depending on how they use this +knowledge, they can be scary. They can argue any position they desire, and +back it up with selected parts of the Bible. Such Pharisees include David +Koresh and Adolph Hitler. I will qualify this by saying *I don't know* if +they actually believed what they were preaching, but the ends certainly +made the means look frightening. + +However, just as scary are those that don't know much of the Bible, but +believe every word. In fact, this is probably scarier, since there are far +more of these people, from what I've seen. In addition, they are very easy +to manipulate by the aforementioned Pharisees, since they don't know enough +to debate with these people. + +: Christianity is not just a set of rules; it's a lifestyle that changes one's +: perspectives and personal conduct. And it demands obedience to God's will. + +No, it demands obedience to a book. If God came down and personally told +me how I should behave, then I would say that I would be doing God's will +by doing it. However, if preachers, pastors, and evangelists tell me to +obey the will of a book written by people who have been dead for close to +two millenia (even longer for the OT), even if I follow everything in it +with my heart, I could scarcely be honest with myself by saying I'm doing +the will of God. + +: Some people can live by it, but many others cannot or will not. That is +: their choice and I have to respect it because God respects it too. + +Well, if God respects it so much, how come there is talk in the Bible about +eternal damnation for non-believers? I see little respect eminating from +the god of the Bible. I see a selfish and spiteful god. + +: God be with you, + +Not yours, thanks ;) + +: Malcolm Lee :) + +Rob Lanphier +lanphi872@snake.cs.uidaho.edu +lanph872@uidaho.edu + +And for the curious, here is my earlier post: +> Hmm, for a book that only applied to the Israelites (Deuteronomy), Jesus sure +> quoted it a lot (Mt 4: 4,7,10). In addition, he alludes to it in several +> other places (Mt 19:7-8; Mk 10:3-5; Jn 5:46-47). And, just in case it isn't +> clear Jesus thought the Old Testament isn't obsolete, I'll repeat the +> verse in Matthew which gets quoted on this group a lot: +> +> ""Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have +> not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until +> heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke +> of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is +> accomplished. Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments +> and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of +> heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called +> great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you that unless your +> righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, +> you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven."" (Mt 5:17-20 NIV, in +> pretty red letters, so that you know it's Jesus talking) + +> This causes a serious dilemma for Christians who think the Old Testament +> doesn't apply to them. I think that's why Paul Harvey likes quoting it so +> much ;). +";19;True +"From: uk02183@nx10.mik.uky.edu (bryan k williams) +Subject: Re: CView answers +Keywords: Stupid Programming +Nntp-Posting-Host: nx10.mik.uky.edu +Organization: University of Kentucky +Lines: 4 + +Well, the temp file thing creates an obvious problem: it is impossible to use +cview for viewing CD-ROM based picture collections. And it is the ONLY non- +windows viewer that works properly with my Cirrus-based 24 bit VGA. + +";1;True +"From: edm@twisto.compaq.com (Ed McCreary) +Subject: Re: KORESH IS GOD! +In-Reply-To: mathew's message of Fri, 16 Apr 1993 14: 15:20 +0100 +Organization: Compaq Computer Corp + <930416.141520.7h1.rusnews.w165w@mantis.co.uk> +Lines: 12 + +>>>>> On Fri, 16 Apr 1993 14:15:20 +0100, mathew said: + +m> The latest news seems to be that Koresh will give himself up once he's +m> finished writing a sequel to the Bible. + +Also, it's the 16th now. Can the Feds get him on tax evasion? I don't +remember hearing about him running to the Post Office last night. + +-- +Ed McCreary ,__o +edm@twisto.compaq.com _-\_<, +""If it were not for laughter, there would be no Tao."" (*)/'(*) +";9;True +"From: lady@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Lee Lady) +Subject: Re: Science and methodology (was: Homeopathy ... tradition?) +Summary: Gee, maybe I've misjudged you. +Keywords: science errors Turpin NLP +Organization: University of Hawaii (Mathematics Dept) +Expires: Mon, 10 May 1993 10:00:00 GMT +Lines: 141 + + +In article turpin@cs.utexas.edu (Russell Turpin) writes: +>-*---- +>I agree with everything that Lee Lady wrote in her previous post in +>this thread. + +Gee! Maybe I've misjudged you, Russell. Anyone who agrees with something +I say can't be all bad. ;-) + +Seriously, I'm not sure whether I misjudged you or not, in one respect. +I still have a major problem, though, with your insistence that science +is mainly about avoiding mistakes. And I still disagree with your +contention that nobody who doesn't use methods deemed ""scientific"" +can possibly know what's true and what's not. + +> [Deleted material which I agree with.] +> +>Back to Lee Lady: +> +>> These are not the rules according to many who post to sci.med and +>> sci.psychology. According to these posters ""If it's not supported by +>> carefully designed controlled studies then it's not science."" +> +>These posters are making the mistake that I have previously +>criticized of adhering to a methodological recipe. A ""carefully ... +> .... +>Rules such as ""support the hypothesis by a carefully designed and +>controlled study"" are too narrow to apply to *all* investigation. +>I think that the requirements for particular reasoning to be +>convincing depends greatly on the kinds of mistakes that have +>occurred in past reasoning about the same kinds of things. (To +>reuse the previous example, we know that conclusions from +>uncontrolled observations of the treatment of chronic medical +>problems are notoriously problematic.) + +Okay, so let's see if we agree on this: FIRST of all, there are degrees +of certainty. It might be appropriate, for instance, to demand carefully +controlled trials before we accept as absolute scientific truth (to the +extent that there is any such thing) the effectiveness of a certain +treatment. On the other hand, highly favorable clinical experience, even +if uncontrolled, can be adequate to justify a *preliminary* judgement that +a treatment is useful. This is often the best evidence we can hope for +from investigators who do not have institutional or corporate support. +In this case, it makes sense to tentatively treat claims as credible +but to reserve final judgement until establishment scientists who are +qualified and have the necessary resources can do more careful testing. + +SECONDLY, it makes sense to be more tolerant in our standards of +evidence for a pronounced effect than for one that is marginal. + + +I come to this dispute about what science is not only as a +mathematician but as a veteran of many arguments in sci.psychology (and +occasionally in sci.med) about NLP (Neurolinguistic Programming). Much +of the work done to date by NLPers can be better categorized as +informal exploration than as careful scientific research. For years +now I have been trying to get scientific and clinical psychologists to +just take a look at it, to read a few of the books and watch some of +the videotapes (courtesy of your local university library). Not for +the purpose of making a definitive judgement, but simply to look at the +NLP methodology (especially the approach to eliciting information from +subjects) and look for ideas and hypotheses which might be of +scientific interest. And most especially to be aware of the +*questions* NLP suggests which might be worthy of scientific +investigation. + +Over and over again the response I get in sci.pychology is ""If this +hasn't been thoroughly validated by the accepted form of empirical +research then it can't be of any interest to us."" + +To me, the ultimate reducio ad absurdum of the extreme ""There've got to +be controlled studies"" position is an NLP technique called the Fast +Phobia/Trauma Cure. + +Simple phobias (as opposed to agoraphobia) may not be the world's most +important psychological disorder, but the nice thing about them is that +it doesn't take a sophisticated instrument to diagnose them or tell +when someone is cured of one. The NLP phobia cure is a simple +visualization which requires less than 15 minutes. (NLPers claim that +it can also be used to neutralize a traumatic memory, and hence is +useful in treating Post-traumatic Stress Syndrome.) It is essentially +a variation on the classic desensitization process used by behavioral +therapists. A subject only needs to be taken through the technique once +(or, in the case of PTSD, once for each traumatic incident). The +process doesn't need to be repeated and the subject doesn't need to +practice it over again at home. + +Now to me, it seems pretty easy to test the effectiveness of this cure. +(Especially if, as NLPers claim, the success rate is extremely high.) +Take someone with a fear of heights (as I used to have). Take them up +to a balcony on the 20th floor and observe their response. Spend 15 +minutes to have them do the simple visualization. Send them back up to +the balcony and see if things have changed. Check back with them in a +few weeks to see if the cure seems to be lasting. (More long term +follow-up is certainly desirable, but from a scientific point of view +even a cure that lasts several weeks has significance. In any case, +there are many known cases where the cure has lasted years. To the best +of my knowledge, there is no known case where the cure has been reversed +after holding for a few weeks.) (My own cure, incidentally, was done +with a slightly different NLP technique, before I learned of the Fast +Phobia/Trauma Cure. Ten years later now, I enjoy living on the 17th +floor of my building and having a large balcony.) + +The folks over in sci.psychology have a hundred and one excuses not to +make this simple test. They claim that only an elaborate outcome study +will be satisfactory --- a study of the sort that NLP practitioners, +many of whom make a barely marginal living from their practice, can ill +afford to do. (Most of them are also just plain not interested, because +the whole idea seems frivolous. And since they're not part of the +scientific establishment, they have no tangible rewards to gain +from scientific acceptance.) + +The Fast Phobia/Trauma Cure is over ten years old now and the clinical +psychology establishment is still saying ""We don't have any way of +knowing that it's effective."" + +These academics themselves have the resources to do a study as elaborate +as anyone could want, of course, but they say ""Why should I prove your +theory?"" and ""The burden of proof is on the one making the claim."" +One academic in sci.psychology said that it would be completely +unscientific for him to test the phobia cure since it hasn't +been described in a scientific journal. (It's described in a number of +books and I've posted articles in sci.psychology describing it in as much +detail as I'm capable of.) + +Actually, at least one fairly careful academic study has been done (with +favorable results), but it's apparently not acceptable because it's a +doctoral dissertation and not published in a refereed journal. + +To me, this sort of attitude does not advance science but hinders it. +This is the kind of thing I have in mind when I talk about ""doctrinnaire"" +attitudes about science. + +Now maybe I have been unfair in imputing such attitudes to you, Russell. +If so, I apologize. + +-- +In the arguments between behaviorists and cognitivists, psychology seems +less like a science than a collection of competing religious sects. + +lady@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu lady@uhunix.bitnet +";4;True +"From: gnohmon@ssiny.UUCP (Ralph Betza) +Subject: dynamic SqueezeTitle configuration in *twm +Keywords: TWM, twm, vtwm, tvtwm, ctwm +Organization: Systems Strategies, Inc., NY, NY +Lines: 123 + +I consider TWM-style Squeezed Titles indispensable in a window +manager. I like to have two tall xterm windows visible at the same +time, with no overlap; and since two windows aren't enough, I have +other xterm windows underneath them, with exactly the same positioning. + +In case you're not familiar with Squeezed Titles, here's a crude +picture: + + ====================== Figure 1 ==================================== + | + | +---------+ +---------+ +=========+ + | + title A + + title B + + title C + + | +------------------------+ +------------------------------+ + | + this is the + + window B hides window C, but + + | + body of the + + you can still see C's title + + | + window, window A + + which is squeezed right. + + | +------------------------+ +------------------------------+ + | + ====================== Figure 1 ==================================== + +Squeezed titles allow me to have about 5 such windows in each stack, +with easy access; and 3 per stack is usually more than I really +need, since I also insist on having a virtual WM. + +The only problem is that the title location is static, that is, it +is configured in .twmrc, and in order to change it you have to edit +that file and restart the window manager. Doing so is cumbersome and +time-consuming. + +Therefore, I have implemented f.squeeze{ left, center, right } +functions in my own copy of vtwm; the idea being that with one click +of a button, you can change this: + + +---------+ + + title A + + +------------------------+ + + this is the + + + body of the + + + window, window A + + +------------------------+ + +to this: + + +---------+ + + title A + + +------------------------+ + + this is the + + + body of the + + + window, window A + + +------------------------+ + + =============== + +Okay. So far, so good. Now, how the heck do I get them to put this +into the next ""official"" twm, and the next tvtwm, and the next vtwm, +and the next ctwm? And the next xyztwm that I never heard of? + +One way would be to post, in comp.windows.x, a description of this +enhancement, together with an explanation of why I think it is a +Very Good Thing, and hope that someone reads it. :-) + +In case it isn't already clear why I think it's a Very Good Thing, +look back up at Figure 1, and picture window A moved over on top of +windows B and C; now window A's title hides Window B's title; +but when you hit f.squeezecenter, the result is: + + +=========+ +---------+ +=========+ + + title B + + title A + + title C + + +-------------------------------------+ + + this is the body of the window, + + + window A, which is on top. + + +-------------------------------------+ + + =================== + +The rest of this posting explains how to implement it, based on my +X11R4 copy of vtvwm.shar; it's just a sketch because posting the +full diffs would be too long. + +The key to this enhancement is to add the following lines in the +ExecuteFunction() routine in menus.c: + +#ifdef SHAPE + case F_SQUEEZELEFT: + { static SqueezeInfo left_squeeze = { J_LEFT, 0, 0 }; + if (DeferExecution (context, func, Scr->SelectCursor)) + return TRUE; + + tmp_win->squeeze_info = &left_squeeze; + SetFrameShape( tmp_win ); + break; + } + .... and similarly for squeezeright ( J_RIGHT ) and + squeezecenter ( J_CENTER ) ... +#endif + +( Of course, you also have to define F_SQUEEZELEFT in parse.h + and add + { ""f.squeezeleft"", FKEYWORD, F_SQUEEZELEFT }, + ... and so forth ... +to parse.c + +In order to use these functions, add something like the +following to your .twmrc file: + +Button2 = m | s : w|v|d|r|i|t|door : f.squeezecenter + + ================= + +About a year ago, I posted this, but our news was broken and I +*think* it didn't get out. + +Since then, ""blast"" has appeared in comp.sources.x, Volume 19, +Issue 41; you could use blast to achieve a similar effect, by +chiseling away at an mwm-style wide title. Better to have a +twm-style window manager, I think. + +-- +Ralph Betza (FM), +uunet!ssiny!gnohmon gnohmon@ssiny.com + +""The question of whether a computer can swim is more interesting + than the question of whether a submarine can think"" - Lenny Dykstra +";12;True +"From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) +Subject: Re: Where can I get a New York taxi? +Distribution: na +Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA +Lines: 20 + +In article <15631@ncrcan.Canada.NCR.CA> tnelson@ncrcan.Canada.NCR.CA (Tim Nelson) writes: +>The older NY taxis were made by the Checker Car Company, and I would love +>to have one. +>Or, is the Checker Car Company still in business? + + Checker Motors went out of business in 1982. It's hard to get +old Checkers that are worth restoring, since almost every one was +a fleet vehicle that was driven into the ground. If you can get a +body in decent shape the mechanicals should all be available _somewhere_ - +Checker used whatever parts were around. For instance, I had a Chevy +straight six and a GMC Truck radiator and a Ford rear in mine. + +> +>The model that I am looking for is the Checker Marathon. + + Actually, you want a Checker Special if you can find one. + + Good luck. I'm sorry I let mine go... + + +";10;True +"From: aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer) +Subject: Re: Commercial mining activities on the moon +Organization: Evil Geniuses for a Better Tomorrow +Lines: 27 + +In article steinly@topaz.ucsc.edu (Steinn Sigurdsson) writes: + +>Seriously though. If you were to ask the British government +>whether their colonisation efforts in the Americas were cost +>effective, what answer do you think you'd get? What if you asked +>in 1765, 1815, 1865, 1915 and 1945 respectively? ;-) + +What do you mean? Are you saying they thought the effort was +profitable or that the money was efficiently spent (providing max +value per money spent)? + +I think they would answer yes on ballance to both questions. Exceptions +would be places like the US from the French Indian War to the end of +the US Revolution. + +But even after the colonies revolted or where given independance the +British engaged in very lucrative trading with the former colonies. +Five years after the American Revolution England was still the largest +US trading partner. + + Allen + +-- ++---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +| Lady Astor: ""Sir, if you were my husband I would poison your coffee!"" | +| W. Churchill: ""Madam, if you were my wife, I would drink it."" | ++----------------------55 DAYS TO FIRST FLIGHT OF DCX-----------------------+ +";2;True +"From: lfoard@hopper.Virginia.EDU (Lawrence C. Foard) +Subject: Re: New Study Out On Gay Percentage +Organization: ITC/UVA Community Access UNIX/Internet Project +Lines: 50 + +In article <15378@optilink.com> cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes: +> +> +>From the Santa Rosa (Cal.) Press-Democrat, April 15, 1993, p. B2: +> +> Male sex survey: Gay activity low +> +> A new natonal study on male sexual behavior, the most thorough +> examination of American men's sexual practices published since +> the Kinsey report more than four decades ago, shows about 2 +> percent of the men surveyed had engaged in homosexual sex and +> 1 percent considered themselves exclusively homosexual. +> +> The figures on homosexuality in the study released Wednesday +> by the Alan Guttmacher Institute are significantly lower than +> the 10 percent figure that has been part of the conventional +> wisdom since it was published in the Kinsey report. + +1) So what? + +2) It will be interesting to see the reaction when 2.5million queers + gather in Washington DC. After all if there are only 6million of + us then this is an event unprecidented in history... + +>The article also contains numbers on the number of sexual partners. +>The median number of sexual partners for all men 20-39 was 7.3. + +Don't forget that 25% had 20 or more partners.... + +>Compared to the table I have already posted from Masters, Johnson, +>and Kolodny showing male homosexual partners, it is apparent that +>homosexual men are dramatically more promiscuous than the general +>male population. + +And what did this study show for number of sexual contacts for those +who said they where homosexual? Or is that number to inconvient for +you.... + +>It's a shame that we don't have a breakdown for +>straight men vs. gay/bi men -- that would show even more dramatically +>how much more promiscuous gay/bi men are. + +Fuck off + +-- +------ Join the Pythagorean Reform Church! . +\ / Repent of your evil irrational numbers . . + \ / and bean eating ways. Accept 10 into your heart! . . . + \/ Call the Pythagorean Reform Church BBS at 508-793-9568 . . . . + +";18;True +"From: royc@rbdc.wsnc.org (Roy Crabtree) +Subject: Re: A Message for you Mr. President: How do you know what happened? +Organization: Red Barn Data Center +Lines: 11 + +In article keng@den.mmc.com (Ken Garrido) writes: + +[lotsa stuff taken out] + +Bottom line: due process was not served. No peaceful attempt to serve +a warrant occurred. + +Think on that. + +royc + +";19;True +"From: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger) +Subject: Brewer bullpen rocked again... +Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee +Lines: 30 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4 +Originator: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu + +For the second straight game, California scored a ton of late runs to crush +the Brewhas. It was six runs in the 8th for a 12-5 win Monday and five in +the 8th and six in the 9th for a 12-2 win yesterday. Jamie Navarro pitched +seven strong innings, but Orosco, Austin, Manzanillo and Lloyd all took part +in the mockery of a bullpen yesterday. How's this for numbers? Maldanado has +pitched three scoreless innings and Navarro's ERA is 0.75. The next lowest +on the staff is Wegman at 5.14. Ouch! + +It doesn't look much better for the hitters. Hamilton is batting .481, while +Thon is hitting .458 and has seven RBI. The next highest is three. The next +best hitter is Jaha at .267 and then Vaughn, who has the team's only HR, at +.238. Another ouch. Looking at the stats, it's not hard to see why the team +is 2-5. In fact, 2-5 doesn't sound bad when you're averaging three runs/game +and giving up 6.6/game. + +Still, it's early and things will undoubtedly get better. The offense should +come around, but the bullpen is a major worry. Fetters, Plesac and Austin gave +the Brewers great middle relief last year. Lloyd, Maldanado, Manzanillo, +Fetters, Austin and Orosco will have to pick up the pace for the team to be +successful. Milwaukee won a number of games last year when middle relief either +held small leads or kept small deficits in place. The starters will be okay, +the defense will be alright and the hitting will come around, but the bullpen +is a big question mark. + +In other news, Nilsson and Doran were reactivated yesterday, while William +Suero was sent down and Tim McIntosh was picked up by Montreal. Today's game +with California was cancelled. + +--salty + +";14;True +"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) +Subject: Their eyes gouged out by fascist Armenians: Armenian Barbarism. +Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) +Distribution: world +Lines: 31 + +Atrocity Reports Horrify Azerbaijan : + +""Azeri officials who returned from the seen to this town about nine miles + away brought back three dead children, the backs of their heads blown off... + 'Women and children had been scalped,' said Assad Faradzev, an aide to + Karabagh's Azeri governor. Azeri television showed pictures of one + truckload of bodies brought to the Azeri town of Agdam, some with their + faces apparently scratched with knives or their eyes gouged out."" + Brian Killen (Reuters) + The Washington Times, 3/3/92 + + +Killings Rife in Nagorno-Karabagh, Moldova: + +""Journalists in the area reported seeing dozens of corpses, including some + of the civilians, and Azerbaijani officials said Armenians began shooting + at them when they sought to recover the bodies."" + Fred Hiatt + The Washington Post, 3/3/92 + + +Serdar Argic + + 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that + might serve as ways of escape for the Turks + and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' + (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) + 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists + a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) + + +";15;True +"From: tallen@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Thomas C Allen) +Subject: Northwest Air tix - SAVE $30 ANY FLIGHT +Organization: the HP Corporate notes server +Lines: 14 + + +Northwest Air tix - SAVE $30 ANY FLIGHT + +I have a $400 credit with Northwest Airlines which must be used +by Nov 27, 1993. + +There is a $50 charge to change the ticket, so I will sell it for +$320. It can be used for any Northwest flight, but I don't think +they will refund cash. + +Please contact me at tallen@corp.hp.com or (415)857-5878. + +Tom Allen + +";8;True +"From: kristyn@netcom.com (Kristyn Geenwood) +Subject: Re: Boom! Dog attack! +Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) +Lines: 32 + + +In article <9426.97.uupcb@compdyn.questor.org> ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau) writes: +>My previous posting on dog attacks must have generated some bad karma or +>something. I've weathered attempted dog attacks before using the +>approved method: Slow down to screw up dog's triangulation of target, +>then take off and laugh at the dog, now far behind you. This time, it +>didn't work because I didn't have time. Riding up the hill leading to my +>house, I encountered a liver-and-white Springer Spaniel (no relation to +>the Springer Softail, or the Springer Spagthorpe, a close relation to +>the Spagthorpe Viking). Actually, the dog encountered me with intent to +>harm. +> + + Stuff deleted +> +>Ryan Cousinetc.|1982 Yamaha Vision XZ550 -Black Pig of Inverness|Live to Ride +>KotRB |1958 AJS 500 C/S -King Rat |to Work to +>DoD# 0863 |I'd be a squid if I could afford the bike... |Flame to +>ryan.cousineau@compdyn.questor.org | Vancouver, BC, Canada |Live . . . +> +> + I sure hope you got the cost of a replacement panel out of the owner. Here if +the owner should seem reluctant, a stop by the local SPCA (preferably with your +foot/leg all swollen up) to file a viscious dog report would do the trick. + +-g. + +=========================================================================== +Glenn Schmall - astroid@armory.com | Do not cross the oncoming lanes of +R65 from hell - beaming to cafe near | death that are californias highways. +you! Yeah I got a DOD#, so what? | -SJ Mercury News +=========================================================================== +";7;True +"From: c23tvr@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Thomas Redmond) +Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)... +Originator: c23tvr@koptsy17 +Keywords: brick, rock, danger, gun, violent, teenagers +Organization: Delco Electronics Corp. +Distribution: us +Lines: 19 + + +In article <1r1d62$d6s@agate.berkeley.edu>, bh@anarres.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Brian Harvey) writes: +> rfelix@netcom.com (Robbie Felix) writes: +> >How about the thousands of kind teenagers who volunteer at local +> >agencies to help children, seniors, the homeless? +> +> Hear, hear! Thanks, Robbie. +> +> You also don't read that much about violence *against* teenagers, such as +> George Bush burying alive tens of thousands of unarmed Iraqi 17-year-olds, +> who were trying to surrender, with bulldozers. +> +> +> On the other hand, I think it *is* true, without singling out teenagers +> for blame, that violence is more socially acceptable than it used to be. +> Those of us who'd like to discourage violence have plenty of work to do +> with people of all ages. + +I didn't know George could drive a bulldozer! +";10;True +"From: gilham@csl.sri.com (Fred Gilham) +Subject: Poem +Organization: Computer Science Lab, SRI International, Menlo Park, CA. +Lines: 145 + + + The Sophomore + (Romans 1:22) + +The sophomore says, ``What is truth?'' +and turns to bask in the admiration of his peers. + +How modern how daring how liberating +How modern how daring how liberating +they chant + +The sophomore, being American +Doesn't know +That his ``question'' + + modern + skeptical + cynical + +Was asked before, by a + + modern + skeptical + cynical + urbane cosmopolitan + +Politician (appointed not elected) +Who happened to live two thousand years ago. + +Like many politicians he cared + + Less about ideals + than results + + Less about ends + than means + + Less about anything + than keeping his job + (and his head). + +We might call him +A bit brutal +Though `firm' would be kinder +(And no doubt Stalin, who let nobody go, laughed at his laxness) +He didn't like his job; perhaps he no longer hoped for better +(Nor feared worse, except regarding his head). + +And when these wily Jews +With their heads-I-win, tails-you-lose + conundrums +Brought forth their madman, +His first impulse was to play the Roman: +``I find nothing wrong with him, + See to it yourselves.'' + +But when they mentioned `King' and `Caesar' +His heart froze. + +If he killed their madman + He'd start a riot + and lose his job + (and his head) + +If he saved the King of the Jews + He'd piss off Caesar + and lose his job + (and his head) + +And when his wife told him to have + Nothing to do with the righteous lout +She didn't tell him anything + He hadn't already figured out. + +So he punted. + +``Not my jurisdiction! Take him to see Herod!'' +(who just happened to be in town....) + +Herod appreciated the courtesy +But wasn't worried + And sent the sharp-tongued fool + (Who suddenly didn't have much to say, + funny how people lose it under pressure....) + back +In the attire proper + to his Royal State. + +His ass is covered---if Herod has no problem, +Caesar certainly won't. The fool can be king +of whatever world he wants +as long as it's not Caesar's. + +``I'm letting him go,'' he said with a shout. +(Looks like he'll last this one out....) + +The crowd's reaction puzzled him. + They really wanted him dead. +They didn't want the King of the Jews, + They wanted Barabbas instead +(And, as Josephus records, they got him) + +Oh well, he thought, +They all look the same to me. +And we'll get Barabbas next time. + +And if I can get them to say + ``We have no king but Caesar!'' + By killing a madman, +Hell, I'll kill ten a day. + +And then Pilate had his fun + A little joke + Short + To the point + Trilingual + +And all this +Went as it always does +When someone gets caught +In the gears of government + +And there's a scientific explanation + (no doubt) +For the superstitious rumors + (persisting to this day) +That it didn't all end +With a tomb +and a Roman squadron on guard. + +Our sophomore doesn't know about this +He doesn't recognize his kindred spirit +(Or truth either, as he admits). + +I guess we haven't learned much +in two thousand years. + + + + +-- +-Fred Gilham gilham@csl.sri.com +""Peace is only better than war when it's not hell too. War being hell +makes sense."" + -Walker Percy, THE SECOND COMING +";17;True +"From: dbstrutt@acs.ucalgary.ca (David Bryan Strutt) +Subject: Re: Help with changing Startup logo +Distribution: usa +Nntp-Posting-Host: acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca +Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta +Lines: 29 + +In article <1rgtba$gtn@access.digex.net> farley@access.digex.com (Charles U. Farley) writes: +> +>I know this is probably a FAQ, but... +> +>I installed the s/w for my ATI graphics card, and it bashed my Windows +>logo files. When I start Windows now, it has the 3.0 logo instead of +>the 3.1 logo. +> +>I thought the files that controlled this were +> +>\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\VGALOGO.RLE +>\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\VGALOGO.LGO +> +>I restored these files, but it didn't change the logo. Anyone know what +>the correct files are? + +I believe you have the correct files. I think what you'll have to +do is go back into Setup and choose change video adapter or +whatever it is called. Then the trick is choose the same adaptor +you currently have. What Setup does is it actually changes the +file WIN.COM whenever you go into it and change the video +hardware selection. It incorporates the contents of VGALOGO.RLE +into WIN.COM when you do this. This trick can also be used to +change the startup logo into whatever you want it to be. +-- +[.SIG ALERT] + +dbstrutt@acs.ucalgary.ca +[END .SIG ALERT] +";6;True +"From: mmchugh@andy.bgsu.edu (michael mchugh) +Subject: SAM Virus Clinic (Mac) Software for Sale +Keywords: SAM Virus Clinic Software Macintosh +Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh. +Distribution: usa +Lines: 12 + + +I have one original SAM (Symantec AntiVirus for Macintosh) V3.0 for sale. + +It comes with three program discs and one user manual. Will work with 800K and 1.4MB disc drives. + +Selling for $17.90 (make an offer) which includes postage. + +Respond to: + +Michael McHugh +mmchugh@andy.bgsu.edu + +";8;True +"From: nils@monroe.dartmouth.edu (Nils Nieuwejaar) +Subject: Re: We're winning the war on drugs. Not! +Keywords: drugs DEA WOD legalization +Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH +Lines: 42 + +kennejs@a.cs.okstate.edu (KENNEDY JAMES SCOT) writes: + +>The chart that follows was taken from the Wednesday, April 14, 1993 +>issue of USA Today (""Drug Use Up Among U.S. Eigth-graders"" by Mike +>Snider, p. 6D). + +> Adolescents' choices + +> Drugs used by eighth graders in the last month: +> Estimated, per 100 students +> 1991 1992 Pct. chg. +> Alcohol 25.1 26.1 +4% +> Cigarettes 14.3 15.5 +8% +> Marijuana 3.2 3.7 +16% +> Amphetamines 2.6 3.3 +27% +> LSD 0.6 0.9 +50% +> Cocaine 0.5 0.7 +40% +> Crack 0.3 0.5 +67% + +> Source: University of Michigan Institute for Social Research, +> 1993 report + +>We are not winning the ""war on drugs"". I think you can see that one +>of the tactics that the DEA employs to give people the impression that +>the ""war on drugs"" is being won is to selectively quote statistics--- +>only statistics that support their contention that drug use has gone +>down. The excerpt from Time magazine that I included in this post is +>an excellent example of how organizations like the DEA attempt to +>deceive the public. + +Unfortunately, there's not much we can learn from the statistics presented +here either. Due to rounding, the 1991 est. for LSD could be anywhere +from .550 to .649 and the 1992 est. could be anywhere from .850 to .949. +This means that the actual change (if you believe these statistics in the +first place) was anywhere from 31% to 73%. Similarly the increase in +cocaine use could be anywhere from 18% to 66% and the increase of +crack use could be anywhere from 29% to 120%. This doesn't even +take into account the margin of error which isn't provided here. + +This does not mean that the rest of the argument you present is unfounded, +but it does mean that USA Today has (not surprisingly) provided us +with virtually no information. +";18;True +"From: pjaques@camborne-school-of-mines.ac.UK (Paul Jaques) +Subject: Problem with dni and openwin 3.0 +Organization: The Internet +Lines: 23 +To: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu + +Can anyone help me? + +I am having a problem displaying images greater than 32768 bytes from a +Decwindows program running on a Vax 6310, and displaying on a Sparc IPC +running Openwindows 3.0 and dni. The program works fine with Openwindows 2.0. + +The code segment which fails is given below, the program simply crashes +out with an Xlib I/O error at the XPutImage() call. + + XImage *ximage; + ximage = XCreateImage(myDisplay, DefaultVisual(myDisplay, myScreen), + ddepth, ZPixmap, 0, image, + xwid, ywid, 8, 0); + XPutImage(myDisplay, myWindow, myGC, + ximage, 0, 0, xpos, ypos, xwid, ywid); + + +----------------------------------------------------------------------------- +| Paul Jaques | +| Systems Engineer, Camborne School of Mines, | +| Rosemanowes, Herniss, Penryn, Cornwall. | +| E-Mail: pjaques@csm.ac.uk Tel: Stithians (0209) 860141 Fax: (0209) 861013 | +----------------------------------------------------------------------------- +";12;True +"From: mbeckman@mbeckman.mbeckman.com (Mel Beckman) +Subject: Re: Secret algorithm [Re: Clipper Chip and crypto key-escrow] +Organization: Beckman Software Engineering +Reply-To: mbeckman@mbeckman.com +Distribution: world +X-Mailer: uAccess LITE - Macintosh Release: 1.5v5 +Lines: 35 + + +In article <1993Apr17.090731.18680@clarinet.com> (sci.crypt), brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton) writes: +> Interestingly enough, in designing the escrow, we may want to use some +> rather unusual technology, such as sealed boxes of paper, or +> destructive read memory, rather than typical computer databases, which +> is fun for a database of hundreds of millions of keys. +> + +To me, a larger problem is that once disclosed, your keys could be used +to decrypt any previously recorded conversations. I gather that from this +proposal a warrant would be required to get the keys, but not to collect +conversations! Consider the scenario where an agency collects preemptively +all encrypted conversations for certain people likely to be targets (and +not necessarily ""legitimate"" targets), then arranges for some unrelated +incident that can trigger a warrant: + + ""Your honor, we know that the suspect has received calls from noted +crime figure Bugsy Butthead [said calls arranged by the agency] and we must +therefore have this warrant to determine whether this suspect, in a +sensitive govt post, is corrupt."" + + I suppose that it is conceivable that there are session keys involved +somewhere, but that doesn't seem likely; if there are, why wouldn't the +technical overview mention them when it goes to such details as the number +of bits held by each escrow authority? + + This scheme is full of holes, and stinks to high heaven. + + -mel + +________________________________________________________________________ +| Mel beckman | Internet: mbeckman@mbeckman.com | +| Beckman Software Engineering | Compuserve: 75226,2257 | +| Ventura, CA 93003 | Voice/fax: 805/647-1641 805/647-3125 | +|______________________________|_______________________________________| + ""You can observe a lot just by watching."" -Yogi Bera +";16;True +"From: brow2812@mach1.wlu.ca (craig brown 9210 u) +Subject: Re: Stop The SeXularHumanistOppression { former my beloved Damn Ferigner's Be Taken Over} +Organization: Wilfrid Laurier University +Lines: 35 + +In article gregotts@spss.com (Greg Otts) writes: +>In article muftix@junior.BinTec.DE (Juergen Ernst Guenther) writes: +>> +>>I never understood why Canadians, Mexicans, Brazilians etc. accusing +>>US. people for imperialism though think of them as ""The Americans"". +>> +>>Not few Europeans think of you all as Americans (and of the US. as +>>a bunch of blasphemeous trash that GOD has to extinguish sooner or later ...;) +>> +>> .m. +> +>It would not be surprising that a continent that produced fascism, communism, +>and two world wars might have quite a few people who tend to think of other +>people as trash that should be extinguished sooner or later. I seem to +>remember a gut called Hitler who felt the same way. One wonders what would be +>the fate of Europe if God had extinguished this nation of blasphemeous trash +>before 1917. (Not that I believe in gods.) How many millions of people through- +>out the world would have to die because no force could stop the insane, bloody +>European imperialism? Thankfully the ""imperialistic"" US helped put an end to +>these games so that the rest of the world can sleep alittle more safely. Thus, I +>could care less what ""not few Europeans"" think so long as they can't do anything +>about it. +> +> - Greg Otts +> +>These opinions are entirely my own. +> + +But remember that had God extinguished the blasphemous trash of Europe (and +Imperialism with it), the United States would not exist today to put an end +to those ""games""....begs the question, which came first, the chicken or the +egg??? + +C.Brown + +";18;True +"From: megan@cs.uq.oz.au (Megan Grenenger) +Subject: Regression Testing and X +Summary: info required on capture/playback testing tools for X clients +Keywords: X Regression +Reply-To: megan@cs.uq.oz.au +Lines: 10 + +I'd appreciate any feedback on capture/playback tools for use with X clients. + +I have pulled XTM from public domain but it appears to be set up to test +X servers not X clients. + +Any comparisons/comments on regression testing tools would be great - +particularly XTM, XRunner, Autotester, and SRI's CAPBAK, SMARTS and EXDIFF. + +Megan Grenenger +megan@cs.uq.oz.au +";12;True +"From: bds@uts.ipp-garching.mpg.de (Bruce d. Scott) +Subject: Re: News briefs from KH # 1026 +Organization: Rechenzentrum der Max-Planck-Gesellschaft in Garching +Lines: 21 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: uts.ipp-garching.mpg.de + +Mack posted: + +""I know nothing about statistics, but what significance does the +relatively small population growth rate have where the sampling period +is so small (at the end of 1371)?"" + +This is not small. A 2.7 per cent annual population growth rate implies +a doubling in 69/2.7 \approx 25 years. Can you imagine that? Most people +seem not able to, and that is why so many deny that this problem exists, +for me most especially in the industrialised countries (low growth rates, +but large environmental impact). Iran's high growth rate threatens things +like accelerated desertification due to intensive agriculture, deforestation, +and water table drop. Similar to what is going on in California (this year's +rain won't save you in Stanford!). This is probably more to blame than +the current government's incompetence for dropping living standards +in Iran. +-- +Gruss, +Dr Bruce Scott The deadliest bullshit is +Max-Planck-Institut fuer Plasmaphysik odorless and transparent +bds at spl6n1.aug.ipp-garching.mpg.de -- W Gibson +";15;True +"From: cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) +Subject: Re: New Study Out On Gay Percentage +Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA +Lines: 14 + +In article <1993Apr17.024646.28396@news.cs.brandeis.edu>, st923336@pip.cc.brandeis.edu (BLORT! eeeep! Hwaaah.) writes: +> Wouldn't one expect more heterosexual men than gay men to be +> promiscuous simply due to a larger group of potential partners? +> +> Just a thought. +> +> -Matt + +You might -- except that gay men are MUCH more promiscuous than +straight men -- which shows how damaged and screwed up gay men are. + +-- +Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer My opinions, all mine! +Relations between people to be by mutual consent, or not at all. +";18;True +"From: arc@leland.Stanford.EDU (Andrew Richard Conway) +Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. +Organization: Society for the conservation of momentum +Distribution: na +Lines: 65 + +In article <1993Apr21.204036.13723@rick.dgbt.doc.ca> jhan@debra.dgbt.doc.ca (Jerry Han) writes: +>In article +> +>As one of the happily sleeping people, I would just like to ask this-> +>aren't people just slightly overreacting to this? Or are we all of a +>sudden going to draw parallels to Nazi Germany and Communist Russia? + +Yes. Reasonable parallels. (though I don't think Russia ever claimed to be +Communist) + +>The point of the matter is that; yes this is a serious problem. But it is +>not the end of the world. Guess what? We're doing something now you +>can't do in a Communist country or Nazi Germany. We're complaining about + +I must protest your ""...in a Communist country"". How do you know? +There haven't been any, and are unlikely to ever be any. In some Socialist +dictatorships, you can't, whilst in some socialist democracies +(such as France or Australia) +you can. Of course, some people may disagree about France & Australia being +socialist... + +>it, (or rather, you're complaining about it) and nobody is shooting at us. + +Yet. + +>(Or, rather, if they're shooting at me, they have real bad aim. (:-) ) +> +>GUESS WHAT PEOPLE? You live in one of the few countries in the world +>where a person can complain without getting shot at. + +In some circumstances. I was at a public meeting last night (in the USA), where +a protester, who was very nice and calm, and just said before the +speaker started to beware of his opinions, was forced out of the meeting by +two armed policemen. + +There are a lot of things that one cannot do in the USA. You may not +notice them, but as an Australian visitor, I notice them. + +>People are always complaining that somebody did this wrong, or somebody +>did that wrong, or whatever. Sit down and figure out two things: +> +>1) What have they done right? +>2) How much worse can it get? +> +>And you'll find that you and I, are pretty damn lucky. + +Yes, we are lucky at the moment. I hope that is still true in +a few years time. Because it didn't just happen...it required concious +effort. + +>So let's talk about it, get some action going, decide what's going on. +>But let's not overreact! + +Of course don't over react --- but don't under react. + +Andrew. +Disclaimer: All my opinions are my own, and do not represent the society +for the conservation of momentum or any other group. I hope I don't lose +my student Visa as a result of these opinions.. + + +-- +----------------------------------------------------------------- +Andrew Conway arc@leland.stanford.edu Phone: USA 415 497 1094 + +";16;True +"From: dmcgee@uluhe.soest.hawaii.edu (Don McGee) +Subject: Federal Hearing +Originator: dmcgee@uluhe +Organization: School of Ocean and Earth Science and Technology +Distribution: usa +Lines: 10 + + +Fact or rumor....? Madalyn Murray O'Hare an atheist who eliminated the +use of the bible reading and prayer in public schools 15 years ago is now +going to appear before the FCC with a petition to stop the reading of the +Gospel on the airways of America. And she is also campaigning to remove +Christmas programs, songs, etc from the public schools. If it is true +then mail to Federal Communications Commission 1919 H Street Washington DC +20054 expressing your opposition to her request. Reference Petition number + +2493. +";19;True +"From: ehung@ampex.com (Eric Hung) +Subject: Re: COMMENTS ==> VIDEO BLASTER (Creative Labs) +Nntp-Posting-Host: dct3 +Organization: Ampex Corporation, Redwood City CA +Lines: 41 + +In article <794@wpsun4.UUCP> mikgr@wpsun4.UUCP (Michael Grant) writes: +>In article <1993Apr14.062219.11573@ultb.isc.rit.edu>, mej0381@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes: +>> >In <115080@bu.edu> heiser@acs2.bu.edu (Bill Heiser) writes: +>> > +>> >>In article randy@chinet.chi.il.us (Randy Suess) w +>> >rites: +>> >>>>The video blaster doesn't work with the ATI GRaphics Ultra Pro, doesn't work +>> >>>>with >15M system RAM. +>> > +>> >>Are you serious? So I can't use a Video Blaster in my 16mb 486/33? +>> >>What are the alternatives (other than removing memory?) +>> > +>> >Get a better one. Hows about the Win/TV thing? +>> >-- +>> >The Wailer at the Gates of Dawn | banshee@cats.UCSC.EDU | +>> >Just who ARE you calling a FROOFROO Head? | | +>> >oD#0667 ""Just a friend of the beast."" | banshee@ucscb.UCSC.EDU | +>> >2,3,5,7,13,17,19,31,61,89,107,127,521,607....| banshee@ucscb.BITNET | +>> +>> No good. I perfer WatchIT TV. It can run in DOS and Windows. Win/Tv only run in +>> windows. Sorry.... +>> +>> -- +>Still no good. WatchIT TV will not work on a with local bus video. +>It will not work in any high reolution modes either. The people who +>make the card assure me that they will have a card available in June +>that supports both local-bus and hi-res. BTW does anyone know the +>name of the company who makes watchit tv? Phone #? BBS? Internet? +> +>Thanks +> +>Michael Grant +>(mikgr@wordperfect.com) or +>(mikgr@wpsun4.uunet.uu.net) +> + +I have a promovie spectrum, it seems to work very nicely with Video for +Windows. With my setup (386-25, 17 ms HD, PAS-16, and orchid F VA), the +board could handle up to 15 frame/s. + +Eric. +";5;True +"From: cutter@gloster.via.mind.org (cutter) +Subject: Re: Biblical Backing of Koresh's 3-02 Tape (Cites enclosed) +Distribution: world +Organization: Gordian Knot, Gloster,GA +Lines: 22 + +netd@susie.sbc.com () writes: + +> In article <20APR199301460499@utarlg.uta.edu> b645zaw@utarlg.uta.edu (stephen +> >For those who think David Koresh didn't have a solid structure, +> >or sound Biblical backing for his hour long tape broadcast, +> +> I don't think anyone really cares about the solid structure of his +> sermon. It's the deaths he's responsible for that concern most people. +> + +And I think we ought to hold Christ accoountable for all of his followers +who died at the hand of the Romans also. It was their own fault for believing. + +God, this society reminds me more of the Roman Empire every day; I guess +I'll just log off and go watch American Gladiators. + + +--------------------------------------------------------------------- +cutter@gloster.via.mind.org (chris) All jobs are easy + to the person who + doesn't have to do them. + Holt's law +";19;True +"From: rscharfy@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ryan C Scharfy) +Subject: Re: Good Neighbor Political Hypocrisy Test +Nntp-Posting-Host: magnusug.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu +Organization: The Ohio State University +Lines: 23 + +In article steveth@netcom.com (Steve Thomas) wri +tes: + +> +>Just _TRY_ to justify the War On Drugs, I _DARE_ you! +> + +A friend of mine who smoke pot every day and last Tuesday took 5 hits of acid +is still having trouble ""aiming"" for the bowl when he takes a dump. Don't as +me how, I just have seen the results. + +Boy, I really wish we we cut the drug war and have more people screwed up in +the head. + + + +>-- +>_______ +>Steve Thomas +>steveth@rossinc.com + + +Ryan +";18;True +"From: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com (Dave Medin) +Subject: Transmitter tube +Reply-To: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com +Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville AL +Lines: 17 + +I've got an Eimac 818A/4PR1000A transmitter/linear amplifier tube, +unused, in original packaging (but opened and inventoried). I'd +guarantee this tube to operate and be as observation and its +paperwork say (unused), although I have no transmitter to test it +with. Offers? + +-- +-------------------------------------------------------------------- + Dave Medin Phone: (205) 730-3169 (w) + SSD--Networking (205) 837-1174 (h) + Intergraph Corp. + M/S GD3004 Internet: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com + Huntsville, AL 35894 UUCP: ...uunet!ingr!b30!catbyte!dtmedin + + ******* Everywhere You Look (at least around my office) ******* + + * The opinions expressed here are mine (or those of my machine) +";8;True +"From: dil.admin@mhs.unc.edu (Dave Laudicina) +Subject: Re: RE: Win NT - what is it??? +Nntp-Posting-Host: dil.adp.unc.edu +Organization: UNC Office of Information Technology +Lines: 20 + +> +>I have little info on Chicago so I cant make a comparison. Is it in Beta? Is +>there anyone out there who has tested both and cares to make a comparison? +>Just my $0.02 +> +>/ALN +Chicago from what I have read is projected to run in 4M on 386 and higher. +It is definitely aimed at the desktop. +It is rumored to offer preemptive multitasking, +multithreading but will not offer multiprocessing. Is 32 bit and no reliance +on DOS. It is rumored to have an integrated file and program manager. +DOS 7 is rumored to be similar to Chicago but without the GUI. Is also +a step towards CAIRO (the next generation OS) which is rumored to be +object oriented. +I wonder where Windows 4.0 fits here is it a stepping stone to Chicago? +Hope this helps. +Thx Dave L + + + +";6;True +"From: brian@lpl.arizona.edu (Brian Ceccarelli 602/621-9615) +Subject: Re: Is it good that Jesus died? +Organization: Lunar & Planetary Laboratory, Tucson AZ. +Lines: 71 + +In article bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig) writes: + +>John 12:24-26: ""Most assuredly, I say to you, unless a grain of wheat +>falls onto the ground and dies, it remains alone; but if it dies, it +>produces much grain. +> ""He who loves his life will lose it, and he who hates his life in +>this world will keep it for eternal life. +> ""If anyone serves Me, let him follow Me; and where I am, there My +>servant will be also. If anyone serves Me, him My Father will honor."" +> +>Why would I want an eternal life if I hate this one? + +Again, you missed Jesus's point. If you read the surrounding passages +you would understand what Jesus means by ""life in the world."" But +as is, you bumbled around, asserted your standard axiom that the Bible is bunk, +and came up with the wrong idea. Also, you do not know exactly +what Jesus means by eternal life. + +Brian K., do you expect to jump in the middle of the quantum mechanics +book and understand Hermite polynomials having not read the surrounding +material? Why do you such with the Bible? For an idea what Jesus +means by the world, look up references to it in your concordance. For +a good description, the whole Book of Ecclesiastes is game. For +eternal life, check out John 17:3, John 3:15-16. You will find that +eternal life is quite different than what you think. Eternal life +starts NOW--an infinitely high quality of life living in fellowship +with God. + + +>In short: even if your deity *does* exist, that doesn't automatically +>mean that I would worship it. I am content to live my own life, and +>fend for myself, so when I die, I can be proud of the fact that no +>matter where I end up, it will be because of *my* actions and *my* choices. +> +>If your god decides to toss me into a flaming pit for this, then so be +>it. I would much rather just cease to exist. But if your god wants +>my respect and my obedience, then it had better earn these; and if it +>does, then they will be very strong and true. + +If my diety exists, you would not just cease to exist. Jesus talks of +hell in Luke 16:19-31. + + +>You've got to understand my point-of-view: I see Christians spouting +>Bible verse all the time as if it were some sort of magic spell that +>will level all opposition. Truth is, it's not. Robert has never +>demonstrated that he actually understands what the verses imply; he +>just rattles them off day by day. Some brazenly fly in the face of +>common sense and reality, and I point these out where I can. + + +The truth is, is that it is not some sort of magic spell. The truth +is is that you do not understand it, and enjoy not understanding it. + +>Christanity is a very nice belief set around a very nice book. + + +Wrong again. Christianity is supposed to be relationship. You +do not even know what Christianity is and you are arguing against +it. + +>And in my opinion, you're bumbling about blindly making up entities +>where there aren't any, and depriving yourself of a true understanding +>and enjoyment of your life. As long as you keep your beliefs to +>yourself, I'll keep my beliefs to myself -- but as soon as you start +>waving them around, expect me to toss in my opinions, too. + +Just as I make up such places as Jericho, Jerusalem, Babylon, Corinth, +Ephesus, Susa, and such kings as Nebuchanezzar, David, Solomon, +Sennacherib, Herod, Pontius Pilate . . . . But I guess then +that you treat Abraham Lincoln as a myth like you do Odin and Zeus. +";19;True +"From: pharvey@quack.kfu.com (Paul Harvey) +Subject: Re: Sabbath Admissions 5of5 +Organization: The Duck Pond public unix: +1 408 249 9630, log in as 'guest'. +Lines: 86 + +In article clh writes: +>Re: Are you Christian or Pauline? +>Both. + +Sure, why not? But, are you using Paul to correct the words of Jesus? + +>There is no doubt in my mind about what is sin and what is +>not, at least not in this case. Jesus did not deal explicitly with +>the question of whether the Law was binding on Gentiles. + +""So *anyone* who dissolves even one of the smallest commands and teaches +others the same way, will be known as the lowest in the kingdom of the +skies; whereas *anyone* who keeps the commands and teaches them too, will +be known as *someone* great in the kingdom of the skies."" Mat5:19 (Gaus) + +Are you an ""anyone"" or are you a ""no one?"" + +Why not assume, that since Jesus didn't say that his words apply only to +Jews, that they apply to all human beings, irregardless of race or sex? + +Why not assume, that even though Jesus did not mention your name, still +Jesus was talking directly to you? + +>That's why I +>have to cite evidence such as the way Jesus dealt with the Centurion. +>As to general Jewish views on this, I am dependent largely on studies +>of Pauline theology, one by H.J. Schoeps, and one whose author I can't +>come up with at the moment. Both authors are Jews. Also, various +>Christian and non-Christian Jews have discussed the issue here and in +>other newsgroups. +>Mat 5:19 is clear that the Law is still valid. It does not say that +>it applies to Gentiles. + +Does it say that it applies to *you*? Are you anyone or no one? + +>And yes, I say that the specific requirement for worship on the +>Sabbath in the Ten Commandments is a ceremonial detail, when you're +>looking at the obligations of Gentiles. + +Ex20:8-11(JPS) Remember the sabbath day and keep it holy. Six days you +shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a sabbath of +the LORD your God; you shall not do any work - you, your son or +daughter, your male or female slave, or your cattle, or the stranger who +is within your settlements. For in six days the LORD made heaven and +earth and sea, and all that is in them, and He rested on the seventh +day; therefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day and hollowed it. + +Note: There is no specific requirement for worship here, however I for +one would not be so bold as to call these verses a ""ceremonial detail."" + +>Similarly circumcision. + +Don't many Christians still practice circumcision? + +>I'm not sure quite what else I can say on this subject. Again, it's +>unfortunate the Jesus didn't answer the question directly. + +It's unfortunate that Jesus didn't use your name directly, or maybe +Jesus did? Are you somebody or nobody? + +>However we +>do know (1) what the 1st Cent. Jewish approach was, (2) how Jesus +>dealt with at least one Gentile, and (3) how Jesus' disciples dealt +>with the issue when it became more acute (I'm referring to Acts 15 +>more than Paul). Given that these are all in agreement, I don't see +>that there's a big problem. + +If you don't see a problem, then perhaps there is none. As Paul closes +Romans 14 (Gaus): + + In short, pursue the ends of peace and of building each other up. +Don't let dietary considerations undo the work of God. Everything may be +clean, but it's evil for the person who eats it in an offensive spirit. +Better not to eat the meat or drink the wine or whatever else your +brother is offended by. As for the faith that you have, keep that +between yourself and God. The person is in luck who doesn't condemn +himself for what he samples. On the other hand, the person with doubts +about something who eats it anyway is guilty, because he isn't acting on +his faith, and any failure to act on faith is a sin. + +[As far as I know, Christians (except specific Jewish Christian +groups, and maybe some of the sabbatarians -- both of which are very +small groups) do not practice circumcision on religious grounds. In +some countries it has been done for supposed health reasons, but I've +not heard it argued that it is being done because of the Biblical +commandment. --clh] +";17;True +"From: baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) +Subject: Mars Observer Update - 04/23/93 +Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory +Lines: 48 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov +Keywords: Mars Observer, JPL +News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 + +Forwarded from the Mars Observer Project + + MARS OBSERVER STATUS REPORT + April 23, 1993 + 10:00 AM PDT + +Flight Sequence C8 is active, the Spacecraft subsystems and instrument +payload performing well in Array Normal Spin and outer cruise +configuration, with uplink and downlink via the High Gain Antenna; uplink +at 125 bps, downlink at the 2 K Engineering data rate. + +As a result of the spacecraft entering Contingency Mode on April 9, all +payload instruments were automatically powered off by on-board fault +protection software. Gamma Ray Spectrometer Random Access Memory +was successfully reloaded on Monday, April 19. To prepare for +Magnetometer Calibrations which were rescheduled for execution in Flight +Sequence C9 on Tuesday and Wednesday of next week, a reload of Payload +Data System Random Access Memory will take place this morning +beginning at 10:30 AM. + +Over this weekend, the Flight Team will send real-time commands to +perform Differential One-Way Ranging to obtain additional data for +analysis by the Navigation Team. Radio Science Ultra Stable Oscillator +testing will take place on Monday . + +The Flight Sequence C9 uplink will occur on Sunday, April 25, with +activation at Midnight, Monday evening April 26. C9 has been modified to +include Magnetometer Calibrations which could not be performed in C8 due +to Contingency Mode entry on April 9. These Magnetometer instrument +calibrations will allow the instrument team to better characterize the +spacecraft-generated magnetic field and its effect on their instrument. +This information is critical to Martian magnetic field measurements +which occur during approach and mapping phases. MAG Cals will require +the sequence to command the spacecraft out of Array Normal Spin state +and perform slew and roll maneuvers to provide the MAG team data points +in varying spacecraft attitudes and orientations. + +Today, the spacecraft is 22,971,250 km (14,273,673 mi.) from Mars +travelling at a velocity of 2.09 kilometers/second (4,677 mph) with +respect to Mars. One-way light time is approximately 10 minutes, 38 +seconds. + ___ _____ ___ + /_ /| /____/ \ /_ /| Ron Baalke | baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov + | | | | __ \ /| | | | Jet Propulsion Lab | + ___| | | | |__) |/ | | |__ M/S 525-3684 Telos | The aweto from New Zealand +/___| | | | ___/ | |/__ /| Pasadena, CA 91109 | is part caterpillar and +|_____|/ |_|/ |_____|/ | part vegetable. + +";2;True +"From: angcl@Nyongwa.CAM.ORG (Claude Angers) +Subject: Re: WP-PCF, Linux, RISC? +X-Advert: Mail/News feeds available -- email postmaster for details. +Organization: Radio Free Nyongwa -- public usenet in Montreal: (514) 284-6693 +Lines: 32 + +In article leebr@ecf.toronto.edu (LEE BRIAN) writes: +>In article <1qu8ud$2hd@sunb.ocs.mq.edu.au> eugene@mpce.mq.edu.au writes: +>>In article ghhwang@csie.nctu.edu.tw (ghhwang) writes: +>>> +>>>Dear friend, +>>> The RISC means ""reduced instruction set computer"". The RISC usually has +>>>small instruction set so as to reduce the circuit complex and can increase +>>>the clock rate to have a high performance. You can read some books about +>>>computer architecture for more information about RISC. +>> +>>hmm... not that I am an authority on RISC ;-) but I clearly remember +>>reading that the instruction set on RISC CPUs is rather large. +>>The difference is in addressing modes - RISC instruction sets are not +>>as orthogonal is CISC. +>> +>>-- +> +>Theoretically supposed to be reduced.... not any longer. That's why everyone +>is arguing about RISC v.s. CISC. Personally, I think CISC will win out. +>Just take a look at the Pentium! (Not that I like Intel architectures either, +>but that's another story...) +> +>bye! +> + +Do you mean that the Pentium is better than a Risc? or that it will outsell +them all? If the first, you have to remember that intel CISC (like the +pentium) are a always a generation away from the best riscs... also Riscs +cpu are more costly because they are not sold in the same quantities (not +even on the same order)... but I remember reading about 3 years (maybe 2) +about a T800(?) from hypercube that did a 100 mips, was superscallar AND +reordered its instruction itself so +";6;True +"From: u7711501@bicmos.ee.nctu.edu.tw (jih-shin ho) +Subject: disp135 [0/7] +Organization: National Chiao Tung University +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] +Lines: 285 + + + +I have posted disp135.zip to alt.binaries.pictures.utilities + + +****** You may distribute this program freely for non-commercial use + if no fee is gained. +****** There is no warranty. The author is not responsible for any + damage caused by this program. + + +Important changes since version 1.30: + Fix bugs in file management system (file displaying). + Improve file management system (more user-friendly). + Fix bug in XPM version 3 reading. + Fix bugs in TARGA reading/writng. + Fix bug in GEM/IMG reading. + Add support for PCX and GEM/IMG writing. + Auto-skip macbinary header. + + +(1) Introduction: + This program can let you READ, WRITE and DISPLAY images with different + formats. It also let you do some special effects(ROTATION, DITHERING ....) + on image. Its main purpose is to let you convert image among different + formts. + Include simple file management system. + Support 'slide show'. + There is NO LIMIT on image size. + Currently this program supports 8, 15, 16, 24 bits display. + If you want to use HiColor or TrueColor, you must have VESA driver. + If you want to modify video driver, please read section (8). + + +(2) Hardware Requirement: + PC 386 or better. MSDOS 3.3 or higher. + min amount of ram is 4M bytes(Maybe less memory will also work). + (I recommend min 8M bytes for better performance). + Hard disk for swapping(virtual memory). + + The following description is borrowed from DJGPP. + + Supported Wares: + + * Up to 128M of extended memory (expanded under VCPI) + * Up to 128M of disk space used for swapping + * SuperVGA 256-color mode up to 1024x768 + * 80387 + * XMS & VDISK memory allocation strategies + * VCPI programs, such as QEMM, DESQview, and 386MAX + + Unsupported: + + * DPMI + * Microsoft Windows + + Features: 80387 emulator, 32-bit unix-ish environment, flat memory + model, SVGA graphics. + + +(3) Installation: + Video drivers, emu387 and go32.exe are borrowed from DJGPP. + (If you use Western Digital VGA chips, read readme.wd) + (This GO32.EXE is a modified version for vesa and is COMPLETELY compatible + with original version) ++ *** But some people report that this go32.exe is not compatible with ++ other DJGPP programs in their system. If you encounter this problem, ++ DON'T put go32.exe within search path. + + *** Please read runme.bat for how to run this program. + + If you choose xxxxx.grn as video driver, add 'nc 256' to environment + GO32. + + For example, go32=driver x:/xxxxx/xxxxx.grn nc 256 + + If you don't have 80x87, add 'emu x:/xxxxx/emu387' to environment GO32. + + For example, go32=driver x:/xxxxx/xxxxx.grd emu x:/xxxxx/emu387 + + **** Notes: 1. I only test tr8900.grn, et4000.grn and vesa.grn. + Other drivers are not tested. + 2. I have modified et4000.grn to support 8, 15, 16, 24 bits + display. You don't need to use vesa driver. + If et4000.grn doesn't work, please try vesa.grn. + 3. For those who want to use HiColor or TrueColor display, + please use vesa.grn(except et4000 users). + You can find vesa BIOS driver from : + wuarchive.wustl.edu: /mirrors/msdos/graphics + godzilla.cgl.rmit.oz.au: /kjb/MGL + + +(4) Command Line Switch: + ++ Usage : display [-d|--display initial_display_type] ++ [-s|--sort sort_method] ++ [-h|-?] + + Display type: 8(SVGA,default), 15, 16(HiColor), 24(TrueColor) ++ Sort method: 'name', 'ext' + + +(5) Function Key: + + F2 : Change disk drive + ++ CTRL-A -- CTRL-Z : change disk drive. + + F3 : Change filename mask (See match.doc) + + F4 : Change parameters + + F5 : Some effects on picture, eg. flip, rotate .... + + F7 : Make Directory + + t : Tag file + + + : Tag group files (See match.doc) + + T : Tag all files + + u : Untag file + + - : Untag group files (See match.doc) + + U : Untag all files + + Ins : Change display type (8,15,16,24) in 'read' & 'screen' menu. + + F6,m,M : Move file(s) + + F8,d,D : Delete file(s) + + r,R : Rename file + + c,C : Copy File(s) + + z,Z : Display first 10 bytes in Ascii, Hex and Dec modes. + ++ f,F : Display disk free space. + + Page Up/Down : Move one page + + TAB : Change processing target. + + Arrow keys, Home, End, Page Up, Page Down: Scroll image. + Home: Left Most. + End: Right Most. + Page Up: Top Most. + Page Down: Bottom Most. + in 'screen' & 'effect' menu : + Left,Right arrow: Change display type(8, 15, 16, 24 bits) + + s,S : Slide Show. ESCAPE to terminate. + + ALT-X : Quit program without prompting. + ++ ALT-A : Reread directory. + + Escape : Abort function and return. + + +(6) Support Format: + + Read: GIF(.gif), Japan MAG(.mag), Japan PIC(.pic), Sun Raster(.ras), + Jpeg(.jpg), XBM(.xbm), Utah RLE(.rle), PBM(.pbm), PGM(.pgm), + PPM(.ppm), PM(.pm), PCX(.pcx), Japan MKI(.mki), Tiff(.tif), + Targa(.tga), XPM(.xpm), Mac Paint(.mac), GEM/IMG(.img), + IFF/ILBM(.lbm), Window BMP(.bmp), QRT ray tracing(.qrt), + Mac PICT(.pct), VIS(.vis), PDS(.pds), VIKING(.vik), VICAR(.vic), + FITS(.fit), Usenix FACE(.fac). + + the extensions in () are standard extensions. + + Write: GIF, Sun Raster, Jpeg, XBM, PBM, PGM, PPM, PM, Tiff, Targa, + XPM, Mac Paint, Ascii, Laser Jet, IFF/ILBM, Window BMP, ++ Mac PICT, VIS, FITS, FACE, PCX, GEM/IMG. + + All Read/Write support full color(8 bits), grey scale, b/w dither, + and 24 bits image, if allowed for that format. + + +(7) Detail: + + Initialization: + Set default display type to highest display type. + Find allowable screen resolution(for .grn video driver only). + + 1. When you run this program, you will enter 'read' menu. Whthin this + menu you can press any function key except F5. If you move or copy + files, you will enter 'write' menu. the 'write' menu is much like + 'read' menu, but only allow you to change directory. ++ The header line in 'read' menu includes ""(d:xx,f:xx,t:xx)"". ++ d : display type. f: number of files. t: number of tagged files. + pressing SPACE in 'read' menu will let you select which format to use + for reading current file. + pressing RETURN in 'read' menu will let you reading current file. This + program will automatically determine which format this file is. + The procedure is: First, check magic number. If fail, check + standard extension. Still fail, report error. + pressing s or S in 'read' menu will do 'Slide Show'. + If delay time is 0, program will wait until you hit a key + (except ESCAPE). + If any error occurs, program will make a beep. + ESCAPE to terminate. + pressing Ins in 'read' menu will change display type. + pressing ALT-X in 'read' menu will quit program without prompting. + + 2. Once image file is successfully read, you will enter 'screen' menu. + Within this menu F5 is turn on. You can do special effect on image. + pressing RETURN: show image. + in graphic mode, press RETURN, SPACE or ESCAPE to return to text + mode. + pressing TAB: change processing target. This program allows you to do + special effects on 8-bit or 24-bit image. + pressing Left,Right arrow: change display type. 8, 15, 16, 24 bits. + pressing SPACE: save current image to file. + B/W Dither: save as black/white image(1 bit). + Grey Scale: save as grey image(8 bits). + Full Color: save as color image(8 bits). + True Color: save as 24-bit image. + + This program will ask you some questions if you want to write image + to file. Some questions are format-dependent. Finally This program + will prompt you a filename. If you want to save file under another + directory other than current directory, please press SPACE. after + pressing SPACE, you will enter 'write2' menu. You can change + directory to what you want. Then, + + pressing SPACE: this program will prompt you 'original' filename. + pressing RETURN: this program will prompt you 'selected' filename + (filename under bar). + + + 3. This program supports 8, 15, 16, 24 bits display. + + 4. This Program is MEMORY GREEDY. If you don't have enough memory, + the performance is poor. + + 5. If you want to save 8 bits image : + try GIF then TIFF(LZW) then TARGA then Sun Raster then BMP then ... + + If you want to save 24 bits image (lossless): + try TIFF(LZW) or TARGA or ILBM or Sun Raster + (No one is better for true 24bits image) + + 6. I recommend Jpeg for storing 24 bits images, even 8 bits images. + + 7. Not all subroutines are fully tested + + 8. This document is not well written. If you have any PROBLEM, SUGGESTION, + COMMENT about this program, + Please send to u7711501@bicmos.ee.nctu.edu.tw (140.113.11.13). + I need your suggestion to improve this program. + (There is NO anonymous ftp on this site) + + +(8) Tech. information: + Program (user interface and some subroutines) written by Jih-Shin Ho. + Some subroutines are borrowed from XV(2.21) and PBMPLUS(dec 91). + Tiff(V3.2) and Jpeg(V4) reading/writing are through public domain + libraries. + Compiled with DJGPP. + You can get whole DJGPP package from SIMTEL20 or mirror sites. + For example, wuarchive.wustl.edu: /mirrors/msdos/djgpp + + +(9) For Thoese who want to modify video driver: + 1. get GRX source code from SIMTEL20 or mirror sites. + 2. For HiColor and TrueColor: + 15 bits : # of colors is set to 32768. + 16 bits : # of colors is set to 0xc010. + 24 bits : # of colors is set to 0xc018. + + +Acknowledgment: + I would like to thank the authors of XV and PBMPLUS for their permission + to let me use their subroutines. + Also I will thank the authors who write Tiff and Jpeg libraries. + Thank DJ. Without DJGPP I can't do any thing on PC. + + + Jih-Shin Ho + u7711501@bicmos.ee.nctu.edu.tw +";1;True +"From: gkirkaldie@sanity.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca (George Kirkaldie) +Organization: Sanitarium BBS - Cambridge, Ontario, Canada +Subject: Re: birds - are they physics majors? +Reply-To: gkirkaldie@sanity.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca +X-Software: HERMES GUS 1.04 Rev. Sep 5 1992 +Lines: 28 + +In , Operator writes: +}Crazy question: ""Anyone ever wonder how birds can drop a load on a car +}going over 65 MPH"" ? +} +}I took a non-stop trip, got shitted on FOUR times (every time hitting the +}windshield, not even the open sunroof! Guess we have conscientious birds ;) +}Was going 75 MPH. +} +} + +I used to have a '67 Galaxie convertible, was sitting at a light waiting +for it to turn green. It turned green, but I hesitated a little (sleeping I +guess) and a bird bombed me, it landed directly in front of me at eye +level, I guess the bird miscalculated and thought I was going to take off +right away. + +And I'm still trying to figure out the one I got under my rear bumper as +well ?!?!?! Was the bird flying up and doing fancy acrobatics at my car and +decided to drop one while executing a perfect loop?? + +-- +-------------------------------------------------------------------------- + TT030 |'87 Mustang GT |George Kirkaldie + ||| |Pioneer, Audio Control |gkirkaldie@sanity.tdkcs.waterloo.on.ca + ||| |Phoenix Gold, Kicker | + / | \ |Flowmaster, Motorsport |Cambridge, Ontario, Canada +A T A R I | | +-------------------------------------------------------------------------- +";10;True +"From: rkimball@athena.qualcomm.com (Robert Kimball) +Subject: VLB bus master problem? +Summary: Is there a problem with VLB and bus master devices? +Keywords: VLB Bus Master Controller SCSI +Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA +Lines: 16 +Nntp-Posting-Host: athena.qualcomm.com + +I am trying to put together a new PC with VESA Local Bus. I would like +to get VLB cards for Video and SCSI but I have heard of a problem with +bus mastering controllers on VLB. Something to the effect that they will +actually slow down a system. Anyone heard of this problem? + +Specifically, I am interested in the Ultrastor 34F VLB SCSI controller. +Before I shell out the bucks for this thing I would like to get the +straight scoop from someone who knows. Does anyone have this controller? +Any problems with it? + + +-- + + +Bob Kimball +rkimball@qualcomm.com +";5;True +"From: sbrun@oregon.uoregon.edu (Sarah Anne Brundage) +Subject: Re: Krillean Photography +Article-I.D.: oregon.21APR199316170714 +Distribution: world +Organization: University of Oregon +Lines: 14 +NNTP-Posting-Host: oregon.uoregon.edu +News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 + +>I did a science project on Kirlian photography when I was in high school. +>I was able to obtain wonderful auras from rocks and pebbles and the like by +>first dunking them in water. +> + I know this is a little weird, but I know that World magazine (you know, +National Geo. for children) did a very simple and concise article on Kirlian +photography. They had some neat pictures, too. A friend of mine's mother had +a book on Kirlian photography, only it's photographs took a radiologist to +interpret. They (World magazine) warned us all that it was very dangerous, +probably to stop curious children from experimenting with it. Mind you, this +was 10 years ago, at least. (And boy, does that say something about my age) + +Sarah Brundage +sbrun@oregon.uoregon.edu +";4;True +"Subject: AT's need what kinda battery??? +From: grisch@uceng.uc.edu (George Risch) +Distribution: usa +Organization: University of Cincinnati +Lines: 11 + +Hello, + + I'm the proud owner of an IBM AT without a battery. I know it +hooks into jumper J21, but I need more info so I can replace it. What's +its voltage? Any suggestions for replacement? Where can I get one? Please +respond to : + grisch@uceng.uc.edu + + + Thanks, + -George +";5;True +"From: randy@lynx.msc.cornell.edu.UUCP (Randall Jay Ellingson,199 Clark,55915,) +Subject: Re: IDE vs SCSI +Originator: randy@msc2.msc.cornell.edu +Organization: Cornell-Materials-Science-Center +Lines: 47 + +From article <1qq7i1INNdqc@dns1.NMSU.Edu>, by bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu (GRUBB): +> wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith) write: +> +>>In article <1qpu0uINNbt1@dns1.NMSU.Edu> bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu (GRUBB) writes: +>>>wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith) writes: +>>>Since the Mac uses ONLY SCSI-1 for hard drives YES the ""figure includes a +>>>hundred $$$ for SCSI drivers"" This is sloppy people and DUMB. +>>What group is this? This is not a MAC group. +> Nice of you to DELETE BOTH YOUR responce and the item that prompted it. +> to whit: +>>>I just bought at Quantum 240 for my mac at home. I paid $369 for it. I +> ^^^ + +[Tons of stuff deleted on SCSI vs. IDE question...] + +Wow, you guys are really going wild on this IDE vs. SCSI thing, and I think +it's great! + +Like lots of people, I'd really like to increase my data transfer rate from +the hard drive. Right now I have a 15ms 210Mb IDE drive (Seagate 1239A), and +what I would say is a standard (not special, no cache I believe) IDE controller +card on my ISA 486-50. + +I'm currently thinking about adding another HD, in the 300Mb to 500Mb range. +And I'm thinking hard (you should hear those gears a-grinding in my head) +about buying a SCSI drive (SCSI for the future benefit). I believe I'm getting +something like 890Kb/sec transfer right now (according to NU). How would this +number compare if I bought the state-of-the-art SCSI card for my ISA PC, and +the state-of-the-art SCSI hard drive (the wailing-est system I could hope for)? +Obviously money factors into this choice as well as any other, but what would +YOU want to use on your ISA system? And how much would it cost? + +Along those lines, what kind of transfer rate could I see with my IDE HD's if I +were to buy the top-of-the-line IDE caching controller for my 200Mb, 15ms HD? +And how much would it cost? + +I actually have a PAS-16, and could (what a waste I guess it would be...) hook +up a SCSI HD through it's SCSI port which yields an optimum of 690Kb/sec. +Actually, I have a borrowed 12ms Fujitsu HD hooked up through it now (and +own the Trantor HD drivers for the PAS-16 SCSI port). Is this SCSI port a +SCSI-2 port? How could I tell? Is the Fujitsu 2623A a SCSI-2? Are all SCSI +HD's SCSI-2? + +Thanks for any comments on these rephrased questions. + +Randy + +";5;True +"From: cormackj@access.digex.com (John Cormack) +Subject: Re: VESA on the Speedstar 24 +Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA +Lines: 8 +NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net +Summary: Speedstar 24X +Keywords: VESA driver for Speedstar 24X + +I need a VESA driver for the Diamond Speedstar 24X that works. I've tried +several and none work for the hicolor modes. + +John Cormack +Cormackj@access.digex.com + + + +";1;True +"From: topcat!tom@tredysvr.tredydev.unisys.com (Tom Albrecht) +Subject: Re: Revelations +Organization: Applied Presuppositionalism, Ltd. +Lines: 25 + +phil.launchbury@almac.co.uk (Phil Launchbury) writes: + +> >The ""apostate church"" of Revelation most likely refers to the 1st century +> >Jews who rejected their Messiah and had Him crucified. John refers to them + +> I'm afraid not. It refers to the church that Christ founded. Many, many +> times he warns that the church will fall away into heresy as do the +> apostles. For an example look at the parables in Matthew 13:31-33. They +> refer to 'the kingdom of heaven' (the church) and the process of how +> they will be corrupted. + +Sorry, but I think this interpretation of the Matthew 13 parables is +nonsense. I.e., + +> 'yeast' - *ALWAYS* stands for sin/corruption/heresy. For example 'beware +> of the yeast of the Pharisees'. ... + +Matthew 16:12 explains that by ""leaven of the Pharisees"" Jesus was simply +referring to their teaching; not sin/corruption/heresy. + +Jesus gaves His apostles the keys of the kingdom and said that +the gates of hell would not prevail against His church. + +-- +Tom Albrecht +";17;True +"From: amit@aryeh.uchicago.edu (Yali Amit) +Subject: Problems with OpenWindows +Organization: Dept. of Statistics +Lines: 22 + + + + + + After having OpenWindows +(Version 3 for SunOS 4.1) or Xwindows +running continuously on my machine for 3-4 days, +the following message appears when trying to open +a new window, or to run any program that needs to open windows. + +XView error: Cannot open connection to window server: :0.0 (Server +package) + +I would greatly appreciate any suggestions to solve this problem. + +Yali Amit +Department of Statistics +University of Chicago +Chicago IL 60615 + + + +";12;True +"From: hamachi@adobe.com (Gordon Hamachi) +Subject: Re: Honda Accord Brake Problem +Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated +Lines: 32 + +Joni Ciarletta writes +> My Honda Accord just hit the magic 100,000 mile mark and now +> all sorts of things are beginning to go bad. The latest problem +> I am experiencing is with my brakes. They still stop the +> car fine, but once I am stopped completely, my brake pedal +> will sink another 2 or 3 inches all by itself. If feels really +> strange, and I am worried my brakes will quit working one of +> these days. +> +> I checked my brake fluid, and the reservoir was full, but the +> fluid itself looked really dirty (like dirty oil). I called +> my mechanic and he told me I need a new brake master cylinder, +> which will cost me a whopping $250-300. + +You are not alone. My '79 Honda Accord with 110,000 miles on it started +showing the same behavior. + +I replaced the brake master cylinder myself. It took about an hour and cost +about $45. Sure beats paying $300 to have someone else do it! If I wanted to +rebuild my own master cylinder instead of putting in a rebuilt one, it would +have cost only $20 to $30 for the rebuild kit. + +The Honda brake master cylinder is easy to get to. Two bolts attach it to the +engine compartment. Two brake lines enter the master cylinder. The tricky +part was that the brake lines were stuck tight. My Craftsmen open end wrench +rounded off the bolt heads! I had to use Vise Grips to loosen those suckers. +Wow! Best invention since sliced bread. After that it was very easy. Bolt +the new part in place, add new brake fluid, and bleed the brakes. + +This is quite easy even for a beginner. My local auto parts store had a repair +manual for the Honda Accord; it had detailed diagrams of the master brake +cylinder and a step-by-step procedure for replacing it. +";10;True +"From: mccullou@snake2.cs.wisc.edu (Mark McCullough) +Subject: Re: Idle questions for fellow atheists +Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison -- Computer Sciences Dept. +Lines: 43 + +In article <1993Apr5.124216.4374@mac.cc.macalstr.edu> acooper@mac.cc.macalstr.edu writes: +> +>I wonder how many atheists out there care to speculate on the face of the world +>if atheists were the majority rather than the minority group of the population. + +Probably we would have much the same problems with only a slight shift in +emphasis. Weekends might not be so inviolate (more common to work 7 days +a week in a business), and instead of American Atheists, we would have +similar, religious organizations. A persons religious belief seems more +as a crutch and justification for actions than a guide to determine actions. +Of course, people would have to come up with more fascinating +rationalizations for their actions, but that could be fun to watch... + +It seems to me, that for most people, religion in America doesn't matter +that much. You have extreemists on both ends, but a large majority don't +make too much of an issue about it as long as you don't. Now, admittedly, +I have never had to suffer the ""Bible Belt"", but I am just north of it +and see the fringes, and the reasonable people in most things tend to be +reasonable in religion as well. + + +>Also, how many atheists out there would actually take the stance and accor a +>higher value to their way of thinking over the theistic way of thinking. The +>typical selfish argument would be that both lines of thinking evolved from the +>same inherent motivation, so one is not, intrinsically, different from the +>other, qualitatively. But then again a measuring stick must be drawn +>somewhere, and if we cannot assign value to a system of beliefs at its core, +>than the only other alternative is to apply it to its periphery; ie, how it +>expresses its own selfishness. +> + +I don't bother according a higher value to my thinking, or just about +anybodys thinking. I don't want to fall in that trap. Because if you +do start that, then you are then to decide which is better, says whom, +why, is there a best, and also what to do about those who have inferior +modes of thinking. IDIC (Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations.) +I'll argue it over a soda, but not over much more. + +Just my $.12 (What inflation has done...) + +M^2 + + +";9;True +"From: bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu (GRUBB) +Subject: Re: IDE vs SCSI +Organization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM +Lines: 44 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: dante.nmsu.edu + +wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith) writes: +>What does a 200-400 meg 5 megs/sec SCSI drive cost? +Since the Quadra is the only Mac able to deal with 5MB/s and Hard drives START +at 160MB I have NO idea. +For the Mac I have the following {These are ALL external} + 20MB $299 {$15/MB} + 52MB $379 {$7.3/MB} + 80MB $449 {$5.63/MB} +120MB $569-$639 {$4.75-$5.33/MB +210MB $979-$1029{$4.67-$4.90/MB} +320MB $1499-$1549 {$4.68-$4.84/MB} +510MB $1999-$2119 ($3.92-$4.31/MB} +etc + +So scsi-1/SCSI-2 for the Mac goes down in price/MB as hard drive size goes +up {and I assume the same for the PC world.} + +>I won't argue that the SCSI standard makes for a good, well implimented +>data highway, but I still want to know why it intrinsically better +>(than IDE, on an ISA bus) when it comes to multi-tasking OS's when +>managing data from a single SCSI hard drive. +Well SCSI is ALSO a FLOPPY drive interface. In the Mac {since SCSI is THE +inteface for any non-card, non-modem, not-keyboard device} the id 7 is used +for the floppy drive {called CPU in all identifiers.} This allows cross +drive interfacing as fast as the OS, program, CPU, SCSI, and drive can handle +it{this shows up best in the Quatra line}. +In the IBM that uses SCSI for the FLOPPY drive this should happen as well. +Also SCSI is NOT just drives but printers, scanners, expandsion cards +{this showed up for the Plus as the NuBus 'Cage'}, CD-ROM, etc. +IDE seems to be mainly hard drives. As for specs nobody has GIVEN me any +and I can't find any. Besides the advertizments call IDE the AT interface +{Make of that what you will} +SCSI is a jack of all trades and IDE is a master of ONE. +This alone puts SCSI above IDE. SCSI-2 blows IDE out of the water. +Remember SCSI was used in high priced machines until about 18 months ago +{When the Mac prices came down to Earth} so the Rule of Scale still played +and SCSI remained high cost{cheap seems to mean chezzy in the High end +computer world at times and THIS more than anything else proably kept SCSI +off into the statosphere price wise} +SCSI came FROM the high end computer world with multitasking OS were the +standard for the most part. Of all the interface NeXT could have used it +choose SCSI. In 16-bit and 32-bit mode SCSI is a multi-tasking OS desined +interface while IDE and 8-bit SCSI are braindead run one program interfaces +{at least the way mac use 8-bit SCSI.UGH} +";5;True +"From: caronni@nessie.cs.id.ethz.ch (Germano Caronni) +Subject: Re: More technical details +Organization: Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH +Lines: 120 + +Hmm, followup on my own posting... Well, who cares. + +First let me try to work out the facts that we get to know about the +Clipper-Chip, from what Hellman and Denning were able to tell us: + +The chip itself is not confined to (digital) telephony, but performs +general encryption in a symmetric manner. The chip supports CFB OFB +ECB (and whatever the fourth mode of operation for DES is), the algorithm +consists of 32 rounds of *whatever*, and takes 80-Bit keys. Input data +seems to be 64 Bit? Yes. +So if two people want secure communication (whatever that means when +Clipper is involved) they have first to agree on ONE secret key. +(Or is it one key per direction ?) +They can exchange this key via DH-schemes or however. +Somehow the two feed their so won secret key into the Clipper-chip +which is now ready to work. +The clipper chip carries an unique Serial-Number (30 Bit's), and 160 Key-Bits. +These 160 key-bits seem to have been gained by encrypting the serial-number +with 160 seed-bits. (The seed-bits seem not to be stored in the chip) +At beginning of communication (and perhaps at certain invtervals whithin??) +before sending the fist real 64-bit output of the first encryption the Clipper +chip put's out packets (I guess 3) which represent the serial number, +and the session key. This might look like +X{ E[K; chipkeyK1+K2], serial number} +where X is a transformation of these 3? Packets involving a family-key. +This family(sp?)-key is equal for ALL chips. (X might be a simple XOR ???) +After that, the (digital?) phone-call can be done as usual, every packet +being encrypted and decrypted by Clipper. + +Denning describes how K1 and K2 shall be generated, using a seed of 160 +Bit's. + +Now, leaving alone politics, which does not concern me as much as you, not +being an American Citicien(tm) [ :-) ] , there are some weak points in this +scheme, which might be exploited by several parties. + +As far as I know about the generation of K1,K2 ; S1 and S2 look like the +obvious backdoor. They could be used to generate the chip-keys by knowing +the serial-number (and also the family-key) of the chip. I really can't +imagine why these seeds would be needed otherwise, as true random-sources +for the generation of the K1,K2 can be bought for not to much money. + +Then, the escrows. Each of them will get 80 bit of a 160-Bit key. Security +could (as little as existant) be maximized by giving them 160-bits +each, which have to be xored together to give the K1,K2. Now let's simply +assume the escrows are trustworthy, and can't be fooled by criminals or +law enforchemnt agencies. (And there will be no quarrel between escrows +and l.e.a which would hinder the l.e.a in doing their duties, and so on +and so on) Once the keys are surrendered, the corresponding +chip is compromised forever. Not very clever, IMHO [ :-)) ]. +How about sending in the encrypted session-keys for each phone-call that +the police (or whoever) want's to listen to? Escrows could then simply decode +this session-key and send it back to police. (And would naturally not do this +after the warrant has expired...) This would be a better technical solution, +but I guess politics will not work that way. + +Apparently (as Miss Dennings stated) the only one performing actually decodes +of intercepted messages shall be the FBI. Great. So local guys can not inter- +cept (understand) your traffic anymore. Does this mean that the FBI monopolizes +the right to do legal wiretaps ? (How is law over there, I have no idea who +is allowed to tap, and who not) This certainly means that watched communi- +cations will be routed automatically from the service-providing company +to the FBI, if the communicaiton is a watched one. And this means as far +as I understand it that the family-key has to be known by each switching- +company, and those providing cellular-phone servies etcetc. So the family-key +will not be very secret, and thus serial-numbers of calls will be readable +by anybody who cares. I _like_ traffic-analysis! + +What do you guess, what happens, if you use the chip in ECB mode, and the +first few packets of the chip are somehow lost or garbled? So the session +key would not be actually broadcasted over the line? Hmmm. Shouldn't be so +difficult to do *that* :^) + +And now a last point, for the other side. After all I have read and heard about +Clipper (not the programming language for dBase, is it ? [:-)]) it seems +to have many advantages, which shold not be overseen! + + +Now an afterthought to your rights. Please note that I have no idea what I am +talking about!!! + +From: grady@netcom.com (1016/2EF221) +> Amendment 1 +> +> Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or +>prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, +>or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to +>petition the Government for a redress of grievances. + +If this text is actually in your Bill of Rights, who can overrule this ? +But: 'Freedom of speech' is not 'Secrecy of speech' + +Maybe you need to extend your Amendment #4 to cover information and +communication too ? + +I am not very sure in what position your government actually is *legally* +when it tries to ban cryptography (and arms) Amendment say you may have them, +but not under what conditions. Hmm, tricky situation :-( + +Actually it will make not much sense to discuss that topic in sci.crypt... +Discussion of technical details and vulnerabilites of the system are highly +suggested and appreciated :-) + +Friendly greetings, + + Germano Caronni + + +DISCLAIMER: Everything in here is derived from things I heard and read from +other persons, so everything could be wrong. All opinions and thoughts in here +are mine, and subject to change without further notification. No warranty, +neither implicit not explicit etc. etc. etc. ad nauseam. + +p.s. Please don't ask me about political opinions, as I might not bother to re- + ply. (For further information read the last line of P. Metzgers signature) +-- +Instruments register only through things they're designed to register. +Space still contains infinite unknowns. + PGP-Key-ID:341027 +Germano Caronni caronni@nessie.cs.id.ethz.ch FD560CCF586F3DA747EA3C94DD01720F +";16;True +"From: tom@CapMgtSci.COM (Thomas Tulinsky) +Subject: MANUAL unsubscribe REQUEST +Organization: The Internet +Lines: 13 +NNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu +To: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu + +I am on the list under two addresses, I think: + tom@capmgtsci.com +and + zuma!tom@netcomsv.netcom.com + +Please delete the second one, + zuma!tom@netcomsv.netcom.com + +Thanks. Sorry for the screw up. + +---------------------------------------------------------------------------- +Tom Tulinsky Capital Management Sciences West Los Angeles +tom@CapMgtSci.com 310 479 9715 +";12;True +"From: sandy47@cats.ucsc.edu () +Subject: Wargames/magazines Forsale +Organization: University of California; Santa Cruz +Lines: 107 +Distribution: usa +NNTP-Posting-Host: si.ucsc.edu + + +Discounts! Please take $2.00 off each item over $10.00 + $1.00 off each item over $ 5.00 + +Here is the list of magazines, including asking price: +-------------------------------------------------------------------- + +Strategy & Tactics Magazine (All include unpunched games): +=========================== + +NEW (52 & 79-90 As mailed with games and all inclusions.) + +Issue: Title: Asking: + +52 Oil War - American Intervention in The Persian Gulf 35.00 + +79 Berlin '85 - The Enemy at the Gates 20.00 +81 Tito - Partisan Army Yugoslavia, 1941-45 20.00 +83 Kaiser's Battle - German Offensive March, 1918 20.00 +84 Operation Grenade - Rhineland Feb 23-Mar 5, 1945 20.00 +89 Sicily - The Race to Messina Jul 10-Aug 17, 1943 20.00 +90 The Battle of Monmouth - Colonies take Offensive 1778 20.00 + +----------End of an Era --------------------------------------------- + +NEW (113-127 As mailed with games and all inclusions in envelope.) + +Issue: Title: Asking: + +113 The Battle of Abensberg (Magazine only) 15.00 +115 Kanev - Russian Paratroops 15.00 +116 Manchu - The Taiping Rebellion 15.00 +117 North German Plain - Modern Germany 15.00 +118 The Tigers Are Burning - Camp. in the Ukraine '43-44 15.00 +120 Nicararagua 15.00 +122 Pegasus Bridge - The Beginning of D-Day 15.00 +123 Campaigns in the Valley 15.00 +124 Fortress Stalingrad - Russian Winter Offensive '42-43 15.00 +125 The Far Seas - German Cruiser Operations WWII 15.00 +126 Beirut 1982 - Arab Stalingrad 15.00 +127 Rush for Glory - War with Mexico 1846-47 15.00 + + +The AH General Magazine: (Many other articles included in each issue) +======================= + +Issue Title Asking Vol. # + +7-80 Crescendo of Doom 8.00 17/2 +11-80 Fortress Europa 8.00 17/4 +1-81 Circus Maximus 8.00 17/5 +3-81 Stalingra 8.00 17/6 +5-81 Bismark, Squad Leader Clinic 8.00 18/1 + + +Campaign Magazine: (Many other articles included in each issue) +================= + +Issue Title Asking + +97 Crescendo of Doom 8.00 +101 Cross of Iron 8.00 +102 Counterstroke at Inchon 8.00 +104 Squad Leader Variant 8.00 +106 GDW's 1941 8.00 +108 Battle for Leyte Gulf 8.00 + +All magazine prices include postage. ALL ISSUES ARE IN NEW OR LIKE-NEW +CONDITION. + +----------------------------------------------------------------------- + +Games and Books: +=============== + +Yaquinto Publications, Inc.: +=========================== + +Attack of the Mutants - Introductory Game $ 5.00 +(Unpunched, new.) + +--- + +The Complete Book of Wargames (out of print) $30.00 +-------------------------------------------- +Author: Jon Freeman +(Part 1 Introduction 75 pages - + including Ch. 4 Kassala: An Introductory Wargame) +(Complete information on over 150 wargames as of 1980) +[hardcover, 285 pages, large format] + +--- + +Shipping extra on books and games. + +Prefer money orders for payment, I'll allow personal checks to clear before +shipping. + + Larry + + +Larry McElhiney +1385 7th Avenue #10 +Santa Cruz, CA 95062 + +(408)426-5858 x 358 (w) +(408)475-8027 (h) +";8;True +"From: gregb@den.mmc.com (gregb) +Subject: Looking for crypto paper +Distribution: usa +Organization: Martin Marietta Astronautics, Denver +Lines: 17 +Nntp-Posting-Host: tosgcla.den.mmc.com + +Looking for PostScript or Tex version of a paper called: + ""PUBLIC-KEY CRYPTOGRAPHY"" + +Written by: + James Nechvatal + Security Technology Group + National Computer Systems Laboratory + National Institute of Standards and Technology + Gaithersburg, MD 20899 + + December 1990 + +The version I obtained is plain text and all symbolic character +formatting has been lost. + +-- +gregb@tosgcla.den.mmc.com +";16;True +"From: nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) +Subject: SHARKS REVIEW Part 1: Goaltenders +Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University. +Lines: 80 + +As the Sharks' season came to a close tonight, I will start a series of posts, +trying to revisit the players, the trades, the moves, etc., that went through +for the Sharks for the past season. If you are uninterested, since I will +have the words SHARKS REVIEW in the subject heading in these postings, you can +kill them. + +I will first try to evaluate how the players did. These ratings, of course, +are subject to my own biases, but I hope that I can try to be as objective as +possible. I will evalute players who finished the season with the Sharks +and/or did not play for another NHL team this season. + +Thus, then, let's go to the goaltenders... + +#1 BRIAN HAYWARD Season: 11th +Acquired: '91-92 from Minnesota in dispersal draft +Grade: P (D) + +It is sad that his career has to come to this dim an end, a career that +featured sharing three Jennings Trophies (with Patrick Roy, in '87, '88, and +'89). It would indeed be unfair for me to do anything but give him a passing +grade (and skip the letter grading), but he had simply been awful on ice this +year, save for a bright spot or two, and even if he had been healthy, he would +not be any more than the 3rd-string goalie. + +But Hayward was a classy individual, who also figured in on the Sharks' first +ever victory, the 3rd game of the season last year against the Calgary Flames. +As he retires, the fans will remember what a good guy he was. + +#30 JEFF HACKETT Season: 3rd +Acquired: '91-92, from N. Y. Islanders in expansion draft +Grade: C + +Hackett, after (deservedly) winning the team MVP honors last season, simply +wasted the year. Other than a few good spots (57 saves against Los Angeles, +almost-shutout against Tampa Bay, etc.), Hackett, finishing with 85.6% save +percentage and a 5.28 GAA, watched his status go from the team's #1 goalie to +bench decoration at the end of the season. He was expected, early, to carry +the team along; instead, he apparently became frustrated, but the an early +injury that forced him to miss 12 games may have been a contributing factor, +but upon return, he simply wasn't up to the task. He may not return next +year. + +#31 WADE FLAHERTY Season: 1st (still eligible as rookie) +Acquired: '91-92, signed as undrafted free agent +Grade: I (A-) + +It is pretty hard to evaluate a goaltender on just one game alone, thus the +incomplete grade, but yet in the one start that he did get (against the Calgary +Flames), Flaherty was nothing but sharp for at least two periods. He started +the season poorly in Kansas City, but finished strong, prompting the Blades' +owner Ron Parker to comment that he should be a candidate for the IHL MVP +honors. The upcoming IHL playoffs would be a major challenge for him as he +tries to make it into the NHL; last year, he was a capable backup for Arturs +Irbe in the throughout the season and in the Turner Cup playoffs, picking up +all-star honors along with Irbe; now it's time for him to show that he can +share the job with Irbe next year, because with prospects Dan Ryder, Trevor +Robins, and Scott Cashman coming along, if he doesn't make it next year, he +may not ever. + +#32 ARTURS IRBE Season: 1st +Acquired: '91-92, from Minnesota in dispersal draft +Grade: B+ + +I may yet be overly critical of Irbe in a year that he clearly established that +he's a bona fide NHL goaltender, perhaps a bona fide #1 goaltender. He has +provided most of the little highlight footage that the Sharks team had, getting +the team's first ever shut-out against the Los Angeles Kings on December 26. +He has been fearless in and out of the net, aggressively playing the puck and +making passes, reminding people of a young Ron Hextall (except, of course, the +goonism). Yet he still needs to develop more consistency, which is hard to do +with such a bad defense in front of him, but if the Sharks are to challenge for +a playoff spot next season, Irbe's the key, as he demonstrated in being named +as a star of the game 13 times in 32 starts. + +=============================================================================== +GO CALGARY FLAMES! Al MacInnis for Norris! Gary Roberts for Hart and Smythe! +GO EDMONTON OILERS! Go for playoffs next year! Stay in Edmonton! +=============================================================================== +Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu) +rec.sport.hockey contact for the San Jose Sharks +";13;True +"Organization: Penn State University +From: +Subject: Re: IDE vs SCSI +Distribution: world +Lines: 55 + +In article <1qmgtrINNf2a@dns1.NMSU.Edu>, bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu (GRUBB) says: + +>DXB132@psuvm.psu.edu writes: +>>In article <1qlbrlINN7rk@dns1.NMSU.Edu>, bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu (GRUBB) says: +>>>In PC Magazine April 27, 1993:29 ""Although SCSI is twice as fasst as ESDI, +>>>20% faster than IDE, and support up to 7 devices its acceptance ...has +>>>long been stalled by incompatability problems and installation headaches."" + +>>I love it when magazine writers make stupid statements like that re: +>>performance. Where do they get those numbers? I'll list the actual +>>performance ranges, which should convince anyone that such a +>>statement is absurd: +>>SCSI-I ranges from 0-5MB/s. +>>SCSI-II ranges from 0-40MB/s. +>>IDE ranges from 0-8.3MB/s. +>>ESDI is always 1.25MB/s (although there are some non-standard versions) + +>By your OWN data the ""Although SCSI is twice as fast as ESDI"" is correct + +(How is 0-40 twice 1.25? Do you just pick whatever SCSI setup that makes +the statment ""correct""?) +Even if you could make such a statement it would be meaningless unless +you understood that ESDI and IDE (I include SCSI and ATA) are +completely different (ESDI is device-level, like MFM/RLL). + + +>With a SCSI-2 controller chip SCSI-1 can reach 10MB/s which is indeed +>""20% faster than IDE"" {120% of 8.3 is 9.96}. ALL these SCSI facts have been + +Great, you can compare two numbers (ATA has several speed modes, by the +way) but what the article said was misleading/wrong. + +>posted to this newsgroup in my Mac & IBM info sheet {available by FTP on +>sumex-aim.stanford.edu (36.44.0.6) in the info-mac/report as +>mac-ibm-compare[version #].txt (It should be 173 but 161 may still be there)} + +I would recommend people call the NCR board and download the ANSI specs +if they are really interested in this stuff. + + +>Part of this problem is both Mac and IBM PC are inconsiant about what SCSI +>is which. Though it is WELL documented that the Quadra has a SCSI-2 chip +>an Apple salesperson said ""it uses a fast SCSI-1 chip"" {Not at a 6MB/s, +>10MB/s burst it does not. SCSI-1 is 5MB/s maximum synchronous and Quadra +>uses ANsynchronous SCSI which is SLOWER} It seems that Mac and IBM see + +Something is missing there. :) Anyway, I agree. There's a lot of +opportunity for marketing jingo like ""SCSI-2 compliant"" which tells +you nothing about the performance, whether it has ""WIDE"" support, etc. + +>One reference for the Quadra's SCSI-2 controller chip is +>(Digital Review, Oct 21, 1991 v8 n33 p8(1)). + +What does it use? Hopefully a good NCR chip (e.g. 53c710) + +";5;True +"From: hayesj@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (HAYES JAMES MICHAEL JR) +Subject: ?Order of files written when exitting windows? +Nntp-Posting-Host: rintintin.colorado.edu +Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder +Lines: 22 + + +Trying to pin point a hardware problem with my disk, Maxtor +7213AT. Group files get corrupted on a regular basis. +Only happens on this drive, D had only one corrupt file +in over a year and it was under the control of winword on C. +32-bit disk access and smartdrive are off. Since installation +of dblspace problem has turned from an annoyance to a reason for +murder. + +Since the most frequent files corrupted are the *.grp files, +are these the last thing written to when exitting Windows? + +Also, are there any pd/shareware utilities available that do +a more thorough job than dos 6, NDD 4.5, etc? DOS 6 and +Win 3.1 compatable. + +Thanks +-- + Mike Hayes |""Knowledge is good."" - Faber College Motto + WWW |""Knowledge and Thoroughness"" -Rensselear Poly Motto + Unemployed Tech, |""No, thank YOU!"" -Groucho Marx, 'A Day at the Races' + Driven to banging my head against engineering physics for 4 years. +";6;True +"From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) +Subject: Re: pushing the envelope +Organization: Texas Instruments Inc +Distribution: na +Lines: 35 + +In <1993Apr3.233154.7045@Princeton.EDU> lije@cognito.Princeton.EDU (Elijah Millgram) writes: + + +>A friend of mine and I were wondering where the expression ""pushing +>the envelope"" comes from. Anyone out there know? + +Every aircraft has flight constraints for speed/AOA/power. When +graphed, these define the 'flight envelope' of that aircraft, +presumably so named because the graphed line encloses (envelopes) the +area on the graph that represents conditions where the aircraft +doesn't fall out of the sky. Hence, 'pushing the envelope' becomes +'operating at (or beyond) the edge of the flight (or operational) +envelope'. + +Note that the envelope isn't precisely known until someone actually +flies the airplane in those regions -- up to that point, all there are +are the theoretical predictions. Hence, one of the things test pilots +do for a living is 'push the envelope' to find out how close the +correspondence between the paper airplane and the metal one is -- in +essence, 'pushing back' the edges of the theoretical envelope to where +the airplane actually starts to fail to fly. Note, too, that this is +done is a quite calculated and careful way; flight tests are generally +carefully coreographed and just what is going to be 'pushed' and how +far is precisely planned (despite occasional deviations from plans, +such as the 'early' first flight of the F-16 during its high-speed +taxi tests). + +I'm sure Mary can tell you everything you ever wanted to know about +this process (and then some). + +-- +""Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live + in the real world."" -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden +------------------------------------------------------------------------------ +Fred.McCall@dseg.ti.com - I don't speak for others and they don't speak for me. +";2;True +"From: kssimon@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (kenneth steven simon) +Subject: Re: HELP: Need modem info for Duo 210 +Summary: very hard to get a modem +Nntp-Posting-Host: silver.ucs.indiana.edu +Organization: Indiana University +Lines: 34 + + jdsiegel@garnet.berkeley.edu (Joel Siegel) writes: + + jmilhoan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (JT) writes: + + >Hi... what alternatives to the Express modem do Duo owners have (if + >they want to go at least 9600 baud)? + + >Every place in town says they are back ordered, and part of the reason + >I want a laptop mac is so I can use it as a remote terminal from + >wherever I am, but I really would hate to have to wait 2 months to get + >a modem in or have to settle with 2400 baud. + +If Apple didn't put out such a good product -- I'd gladly take my +business to -- to -- the 8-bit Ataris. I think the +situation with the Express modem is inexusable for any business. +I've had mine on order since January. Apple finally called me last +week -- to tell me that I should have it ""by the second week of May."" +In the meantime, I've been stuck with my Duo210 without the +connectability I needed it for. I'm sure there are plenty of people +who can bite back at me, citing all sorts of reasons why Apple is +right or at least justified, but I'm just a crabby consumer and +when I order a ""Duo210 with modem"" that's the product I expect. + +Oh, well. It's not like it's limited to the computer biz. Remember +when the Miata came out? What about those Cabbage Patch Dolls? Well, +I want my toy! ;) + + + +-- +----------------------------------------------------------------- +Kenneth Simon Dept of Sociology, Indiana University +Internet: KSSIMON@INDIANA.EDU Bitnet: KSSIMON@IUBACS +----------------------------------------------------------------- +";0;True +"From: adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack) +Subject: Re: Final Solution for Gaza ? +Organization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University +Lines: 13 + +In article <2BDC2931.17498@news.service.uci.edu> tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) writes: + +>Certainly, the Israeli had a legitimate worry behind the action they took, +>but isn't that action a little draconian? + + What alternative would you suggest be taken to safeguard the +lives of Israeli citizens? + +Adam +Adam Shostack adam@das.harvard.edu + +""If we had a budget big enough for drugs and sexual favors, we sure +wouldn't waste them on members of Congress..."" -John Perry Barlow +";15;True +"From: neideck@nestvx.enet.dec.com (Burkhard Neidecker-Lutz) +Subject: Re: Rumours about 3DO ??? +Organization: CEC Karlsruhe +Lines: 17 +NNTP-Posting-Host: NESTVX +Keywords: 3DO ARM QT Compact Video + +In article <2BD07605.18974@news.service.uci.edu> rbarris@orion.oac.uci.edu (Robert C. Barris) writes: +>I'm not sure how a Centris/20MHz 040 stacks up against the 25 MHz ARM in +>the 3DO box. Obviously the ARM is faster, but how much? + +Why would it have to be much faster (it probably is) ? Assuming an ARM +is about as efficient as a MIPS R3000 for integer calculations, doing +a Compact-Video-like digital video codec is an easy task. For Software +Motion Pictures (which is a lot like Compact Video, though it predates +it), we get 48 frames/sec. at 320x240 on a DECstation 5000/200. That +machine has a 25 Mhz MIPS R3000. + + Burkhard Neidecker-Lutz + +Distributed Multimedia Group, CEC Karlsruhe EERP Portfolio Manager +Software Motion Pictures & BERKOM II Project Multimedia Base Technology +Digital Equipment Corporation +neidecker@nestvx.enet.dec.com +";1;True +"From: ccastco@prism.gatech.EDU (Constantinos Malamas) +Subject: Re: ?? DOS font size in windows?? +Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology +Lines: 25 + +In article <1993Apr18.024128.9119@ncsu.edu> ssa@unity.ncsu.edu (S. Alavi) writes: +> (normal 8514/A font, not small). In the 386 enhanced mode +> the DOS window font is too small for my 14"" monitor. Is there a +> way to spacify the font size for the DOS window? You'll have to +> excuse me if there is a trivial answer, since I am fairly new to +> MS Windows world. +> Thanks. +> ====== S. Alavi [ssa@unity.ncsu.edu] (919)467-7909 (H) ======== + + First of all, without wanting to sound nagging and bossy, yes it is +a trivial answer and that's perfectly fine ( otherwise how is one supposed +to move up to the complicated and challenging questions, we net readers so +much enjoy :) ?), and the massive crossposting of your article was not + justified... +Please refer to appropriate newsgroups next time (by the way c.o.msw.misc is +OK :) ). Now as far as your problem is concerned: try playing around with +the settings in the 'Fonts..."" dialog box under the window control menu (that +little square at the top left corner of the window..). + + +-- +Costas Malamas ____________________________________________________________ +Georgia Institute of Technology +OIT UA -- Opinions expressed are not necessarily OIT's... +Internet: ccastco@prism.gatech.edu +";6;True +"From: dlneal@apgea.army.mil (Dennis L. Neal ) +Subject: C64/128 GAme: ""X-Men"" for sale... +Organization: Edgewood +Lines: 7 +Nntp-Posting-Host: cbda9.apgea.army.mil + +Selling X-men for the C64/128 for only $10 plus shipping. + + +first email gets it... + +thanx, +-Dennis L. Neal dlneal@cbda9.apgea.army.mil +";8;True +"From: christy@cs.concordia.ca (Christy) +Subject: X386 server problems +Organization: Computer Science, Concordia University, Montreal, Quebec +Lines: 32 + +Hello, + +I'm trying to get X11R5 running on my PC and ran into the +following error message when trying to start the Xserver. + +------ +Setting TCP SO_DONTLINGER: Option not supported by protocol + +X386 Version 1.2 / X Windows System +(protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 5000) + +Fatal server error +no screens found +giving up + +xinit: software cased connection abort (errno 130): unable to connect + to X xserver. + +------ + + +does anyone know what this error means ? +has anyone experienced this problem ? + +help will be much appreciated + +thanks in advance. + + +please send replies to + +Christy +";12;True +"From: Russell.P.Hughes@dartmouth.edu (RPH) +Subject: Power Arc II Ignition, Super E Carb +X-Posted-From: InterNews 1.0b14@dartmouth.edu +Organization: HOG HEAVEN +Lines: 35 + +Now the bike is off warranty, I finally replaced the stock items on my +Softail Custom with the title ones. Installation was pretty easy in +both cases, even for a fairly non-mechanical chemist type dude like me! + I discovered the limitations of my tool collection, but had fun buying +and making the requisite tools! + +MC Ignitions Power Arc II Single Fire Ignition: easy to install, but +read the wiring diagram carefully! Setting the static timing was a +piece of cake. Once installed, I have found easier starting, smoother +idle, and more power, plus a more satisfying (to me) bass note in the +exhaust register...a lovely whompa-whompa-whompa idle :-) +The folks at MC Ignitions were great in answering my dumb questions on +the phone..... a very helpful bunch of guys with a great product. + +S&S Super E Carb: installation easy, once I hacked down an Allen wrench +to a small anough reach to get at the intake manifold bolts. Tunes like +a dream, just like they say! The stock carb (non-adjustable) was so +lean that it was gasping and spluttering for gas sometimes, and even +backfiring into the intake manifold. The Super E is terrific, no +hesitation in any gear, and my plugs are a lovely tan color with no +need to rejet from the factory settings! + +I know this may not seem like much to you grizzled veteran wrenchers +out there, but I had my bike in so many pieces this weekend I began to +get worried. But it all went back together again, and runs like a +dream, so I am feeling pretty happy. + +Now all I have to do is install my BUB pipes and try to pass the NH +Noise Gestapo Test! + + +Russ Hughes '92 FXSTC DoD# 6022(10E20) +""Love ...yeah, that's the feeling you get when you like something +as much as your motorcycle."" + --Sonny Barger +";7;True +"From: flb@flb.optiplan.fi (""F.Baube[tm]"") +Subject: Vandalizing the sky +X-Added: Forwarded by Space Digest +Organization: [via International Space University] +Original-Sender: isu@VACATION.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU +Distribution: sci +Lines: 12 + +From: ""Phil G. Fraering"" +> +> Finally: this isn't the Bronze Age, [..] +> please try to remember that there are more human activities than +> those practiced by the Warrior Caste, the Farming Caste, and the +> Priesthood. + +Right, the Profiting Caste is blessed by God, and may + freely blare its presence in the evening twilight .. + +-- +* Fred Baube (tm) +";2;True +"From: jar2e@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Virginia's Gentleman) +Subject: Re: was:Go Hezbollah!! +Organization: University of Virginia +Lines: 4 + +We really should try to be as understanding as we can for Brad, because it +appears killing is all he knows. + +Jesse +";15;True +"From: berryh@huey.udel.edu (John Berryhill, Ph.D.) +Subject: Re: What do Nuclear Site's Cooling Towers do? +Nntp-Posting-Host: huey.udel.edu +Organization: little scraps of paper, mostly +Lines: 13 + +The object of a cooling tower is to distribute dissolved salts in +cooling water over large areas of farmland and to therefore decrease +farm subsidies for non-producers by rendering their land infertile. + +A side effect of this deficit-reduction program is that they provide +a low-T reservoir for a variety of industrial processes. + +Now you know. + +-- + + John Berryhill + +";11;True +"Subject: **** Tapes 4 Sale (most sale) **** +From: koutd@hirama.hiram.edu (DOUGLAS KOU) +Organization: Hiram College +Nntp-Posting-Host: hirama.hiram.edu +Lines: 30 + +Tapes for sale, $3.00 each and the shipping is included. +Those tapes are 1 year old and are hardly used, so there should +not be any problem with it. I really want to sell them, so make +me a package offer if you wish to. + +Eagles The Best of Eagles +Eagles Hotel California +Elton John Sleeping with the past +Gloria Estefan Into the Light +James Ingram The Power of Great Music +Kenny G. Duo Tones +Lethal Weapon 3 ( music from the motion picture ) +Mariah Carey MTV Unplugged EP +Michael Bolton Time, Love and Tenderness +The Phantom of the Opera +Genesis We can't dance +Phil Collins ... But Seriously +Queen The Works +Queen Live Magic +Wilson Phillips + +Send me your offer... + +Please send your offer to koutd@hirama.hiram.edu + +thanks you, + +Douglas Kou +Hiram College +Hiram, Ohio +";8;True +"From: baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) +Subject: SIRTF Mission is Still Alive +Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory +Lines: 114 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov +Keywords: SIRTF, JPL +News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 + +From the ""JPL Universe"" +April 23, 1993 + +SIRTF is still very much in business + +By Mark Whalen + In these times of extra-tight NASA budgets, the very +survival of a number of missions has been uncertain. But thanks +to major design refinements implemented in recent months, JPL's +Space Infrared Telescope Facility (SIRTF) -- a major project +considered to be in trouble a couple of years ago -- is ""alive +and well,"" according to Project Scientist Michael Werner. + A lighter spacecraft, revised orbit and shorter mission have +added up to a less expensive project with ""tremendous scientific +power"" and a bright future, said Werner. + Designed as a follow-up to the highly successful Infrared +Astronomical Satellite (IRAS) and Cosmic Background Explorer +(COBE) missions, SIRTF -- a cryogenically cooled observatory for +infrared astronomy from space -- is scheduled for launch in 2000 +or 2001 if plans proceed as scheduled. + IRAS' pioneering work in space-based infrared astronomy 10 +years ago allowed astronomers to view the Milky Way as never +before and revealed, among other things, 60,000 galaxies and 25 +comets. It provided a sky survey 1,000 times more sensitive than +any previously available from ground-based observations. COBE has +measured the infrared and microwave background radiation on large +angular scales, and revealed new facts about the early universe. + But to illuminate SIRTF's potential, Jim Evans, JPL's +manager of Astrophysics and Fundamental Physics Pre-Projects, +recently said that the project is ""1,000 to 1 million times more +capable than IRAS,"" based on technological advances in infrared +detector arrays. + However, despite the enormous strides in infrared +exploration SIRTF promised, and the fact that it was cited as the +highest priority new initiative for all of astronomy in the 1990s +(by the National Academy of Sciences), it took a ""diet or die"" +directive from NASA Headquarters last year to keep the project +going, according to Werner. + The project is now known as Atlas SIRTF, based on the key +factor in its new design: The satellite will orbit the sun +instead of the Earth, permitting the use of an Atlas rocket +launch instead of the formerly proposed and heavier Titan. ""The +main advantage of the solar orbit is that you can use all of your +launch capability for boosting the payload -- you don't have to +carry up a second rocket to circularize the orbit,"" Werner said. +The other advantage to a solar orbit, he said, is that ""it's in a +better thermal environment, away from the heat of the Earth."" + Additional major changes in SIRTF's redesign include +shortening the mission from five to three years and building a +spacecraft that is less than half as heavy as in the original +plan -- Atlas SIRTF will weigh 2,470 kilograms (5,400 pounds) +compared to Titan SIRTF's 5,500 kilograms (12,100 pounds). + All of that adds up to ""a less stressful launch +environment,"" Werner said, and a cost savings of more than $200 +million for the launch, in addition to increased savings in the +design of the smaller, less massive spacecraft. + Werner said SIRTF's redesign came as a result of Congress' +telling NASA ""you're trying to do too many things. If you want us +to support SIRTF, which is a good project, develop a plan to see +how it fits into (NASA's) overall strategy."" + Shortly thereafter, SIRTF was named as NASA's highest +priority ""flagship"" scientific mission by the interdisciplinary +Space Sciences Advisory Committee, in addition to the blessing +from the National Academy of Sciences. + While the spacecraft and its instruments required descoping +to keep the project alive, SIRTF's major scientific contribution +always promised to come about from its advanced infrared detector +arrays, which will allow images to be developed ""tens of +thousands of times faster"" than before, according to Evans. + ""Up until a couple of years ago,"" Werner said, ""all infrared +astronomy was done with single detectors -- or very small arrays +of individually assembled detectors. Since then, the Department +of Defense has developed a program to produce arrays of tens or +hundreds of thousands of detectors, rather than just a few, and +those are very well suited for use on SIRTF."" + Werner noted that in addition to dealing with budget +pressures, Congress is currently watching NASA projects with an +eye out for any ""technological spinoff."" + ""On that question, I think we have some things to say,"" he +said, ""because the detectors we're using are straight off various +military developments. Also, SIRTF will be built by the U.S. +aerospace industry, and it's a real technological and engineering +challenge in addition to being a tremendous scientific project. + ""SIRTF will be used by the entire astronomical community,"" +Werner added, but the revised three-year mission ""puts a premium +on observing time. We have to educate the user community and +develop a program that involves early surveys and quick +turnaround of the data."" + Werner said the downsizing of the project required a +reduction in scope and complexity of SIRTF's three instruments -- +the infrared spectrograph, infrared array camera and multiband +imaging photometer. However, these reductions will only result in +losses of efficiency rather than capability, he said. + The project hopes to start a ""Phase B"" activity in 1995, +which will provide a detailed concept for development and design. +Building the hardware would begin about two years later. + Projected cost estimates, Evans said, are $850 million-$950 +million. + ""I am very optimistic about SIRTF,"" he said. ""It will +provide a tremendous return for the investment."" + Werner added that an additional benefit from the project +will be the ""enrichment of our intellectual and cultural +environment. People on the street are very interested in +astronomy ... black holes, the possibility of life on other +planets, the origin of the universe ... and those are the kind of +questions SIRTF will help answer."" + ### + ___ _____ ___ + /_ /| /____/ \ /_ /| Ron Baalke | baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov + | | | | __ \ /| | | | Jet Propulsion Lab | + ___| | | | |__) |/ | | |__ M/S 525-3684 Telos | The aweto from New Zealand +/___| | | | ___/ | |/__ /| Pasadena, CA 91109 | is part caterpillar and +|_____|/ |_|/ |_____|/ | part vegetable. + +";2;True +"From: shippert@cco.caltech.edu (Tim Shippert) +Subject: Re: Infield Fly Rule +Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena +Lines: 25 +NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu + +jrogoff@scott.skidmore.edu (jay rogoff) writes: + +>One last infield fly question that has always puzzled me and hasn't +>yet been addressed. I believe the rule also does *not* deal with this +>situation: + +>However, if the Infield Fly is *not* caught, at what point can a runner +>legally leave his base w/o fear of being doubled off for advancing too +>early? + + The runner can leave his base at any time. If the ball is caught, +he's got to tag up. If it isn't caught, he _doesn't_ have to tag up at +all. So, if he's feeling lucky, your runner at second can sprint for glory +as soon as the ball is popped up. If it isn't caught, he's probably scored +a run. If it is, he's probably headed for AAA. + + The only effect the infield fly has is to make the batter out, +thereby removing the force on the runners on base. All other rules apply, +as if you were standing second with first open and the ball is popped up. + +-- +Tim Shippert shippert@cco.caltech.edu +""If we are going to stick to this damned quantum-jumping, then I regret +that I ever had anything to do with quantum theory."" + -E. Schrodinger +";14;True +"From: emarciniak@email.bony.com +Subject: Image of pictures... +Lines: 8 +Organization: *** + +Hi there, + I am looking for advice on software/hardware package for making, +storing and processing of pictures. The ideal software would allow me to +cahnge size of the picture, edit it ( it means add text below, above...) +and the most important is it would have DOS command interface... +Thank you in advance... +emanuel marciniak +the bank of new york.. +";1;True +"From: gspira@nyx.cs.du.edu (Greg Spira) +Subject: Re: DAVE KINGMAN FOR THE HALL OF FAME +Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci. +Lines: 79 + +(Steve Tomassi) writes: + + +> Hi, baseball fans! So what do you say? Don't you think he deserves it? +>I +>mean, heck, if Dave Winfield (ho-hum) is seriously being considered for it, +>as +>is Lee Smith (ha), then why don't we give Dave Kingman a chance? Or Darrell +>Evans! Yeah, yeah! After the Hall of Fame takes in them, it can take in +>Eddie +>Murray and Jeff Reardon. + +Unfortunately, you seem to lack the ability to rate players. Dave +Winfield has had a better career than half the people in the Hall of +Fame. Eddie Murray and Darrel Evans are both one of the top 100 players +of all time. Lee Smith has had probably the greatest long career +of any relief pitcher since 1960, with the possible exception of Gossage. + +On the other hand, Kingman probably isn't one of the best 750 players +of all time. + +And Reardon, though a good pitcher, isn't in Smith's class career wise. + +> Well, in any case, I am sick and tired (mostly sick) of everybody +>giving +>Hall of Fame consideration to players that are by today's standards, +>marginal. + +>Honestly, Ozzie Smith and Robin Yount don't belong there. They're both +>shortstops that just hung around for a long time. Big deal. + +We're talking 2 of the top 50 players of all time here. There probably +aren't 5 shortstops in history who were better than these two. + +> Let's be a little more selective, huh? Stop handing out these honors +>so +>liberally. Save them for the guys who really deserve it. Face it, if +>something +>isn't done, there will be little prestige in the Hall of Fame anymore. When +>certain individuals believe that Steve Garvey or Jack Morris are potential +>candidates, the absurdity is apparent. + +Garvey sucked. Morris, while a very good pitcher, simply doesn't +belong near Cooperstown. + + Gee, can these guys even compare to +>the more likely future Hall of Famers like Kirby Puckett or Nolan Ryan? + +If Puckett and Ryan (okay, no if there) get into to the Hall, they will be +marginal Hall of Famers (unless Puckett keeps hitting like he did last year for +a while longer) + +To put this in perspective, here's a listing of the linear weights +values of the careers of the players you mention. In parenthesis +is how high they are up on the greatest ever list if they make it. +While no one would claim these are perfect rankings, they should give +you a good value of these guys' careers as compared to average players. + +Robin Yount 43.0 (41) +Ozzie Smith 42.1 (45) +Dave Winfield 40.3 (53) +Eddie Murray 37.5 (68) +Darrel Evans 35.2 (80) +Kirby Puckett 24.3 (180) +Nolan Ryan 21.6 (219) +Jack Morris 11.8 (478) +Dave Kingman 0.4 +Steve Garvey -5.8 + +To give you an idea of how these numbers compare to those in the Hall: +Of the 71 eligible players whose career stats equaled 35.0, 64 are in the Hall +of Fame. The ones who aren't include 4 19th century players, Ron Santo, Bobby +Grich, and Bob Johnson. + +Of those eligible who score between 30.0 and 34.9, 15 of 25 are in. Of +those eligible who score between 25.0 and 29.9, 24 of 44 are in. + + +Greg +";14;True +"From: ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene) +Subject: Re: IDE vs SCSI +Organization: University of New Hampshire - Durham, NH +Lines: 12 +NNTP-Posting-Host: kepler.unh.edu + +'>First off, with all these huge software packages and files that +'>they produce, IDE may no longer be sufficient for me (510 Mb limit). + + Micropolis seems to have broken this limit. They have IDE 560meg + and 1050meg HD's available. + Greg Greene + ggg@kepler.unh.edu + + +'>Mark Ashley |DISCLAIMER: My opinions. Not Harris' +'>marka@gcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com | +'>The Lost Los Angelino | +";5;True +"From: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) +Subject: Re: Who's next? Mormons and Jews? +Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc. +Lines: 78 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: dale.handheld.com + +In article <1qvh8n$gf4@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> friedenb@maple.egr.msu.edu (Gedaliah +Friedenberg) writes: +> In article <1qvfik$6rf@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, cj195@cleveland.Freenet.Edu +(John W. Redelfs) writes: +> |> +> |> Now that Big Brother has rubbed out one minority religion in Waco, who is +> |> next? The Mormons or Jews? +> +> Give me a break. If the Mormons fortified Utah and armed it to the teeth, +> and were involved in illegal activity, then they deserve whatever they get. +> + +Where were you brought up? In the former USSR? Is Innocent until proven +guilty by a jury of your peers, NOT Dan Rather, dead in this country? Seems +so. Is tax evasion, the only charge brought against the BDs, punishable by +death in this country, now? + + +> You are making a ludicrous suggestion. +> +Not really. You are a blind idiot. + +> |> We used to live in a country where everyone enjoyed the free exercise of +> |> their rights to worship and bear arms. Now we don't. +> +> Does that include the right to murder little children? How about killing +> ATF officers? I do not know much about the gun laws in Texas, but +> Koresh's folks claimed to have grenades, grenade launchers, and rocket +> launchers. I am not sure that the NRA feels that this falls under +> ""right to bear arms."" + +""Not sure"", yet you condem them to death for it? If the BATF had stayed home, +all would be alive, now. So who murdered who? +> +> |> Of course, to Jews and Mormons this is just a broken record. It has +> |> happened before. +> +> Please explain. I do not remember Jews or Mormons (as a group) overtly +> breaking a judicious (a.k.a. non-Nazi) law and being punished for it. +> +You have a short memory. + +> |> I'll bet all you cult haters are happy now, right? Just hope you're not +next. +> +> Followups to /dev/null +> +> Alternative followups set to talk.religion.misc +> + +Sleep well, tonite, heartless idiot. Sleep the sleep of the simple-minded. + +I shall weep for my country, myself. + +> +> |> ------------ John W. Redelfs, cj195@cleveland.freenet.edu ------------- +> |> --------- All my opinions are tentative pending further data. --------- +> +> Gedaliah Friedenberg +> -=-Department of Mechanical Engineering +> -=-Department of Metallurgy, Mechanics and Materials Science +> -=-Michigan State University +> +> +> + +I'm short of patience tonite, but rabid dogs deserve and get better treatment +than the BDs got. + +Jim +-- +jmd@handheld.com +------------------------------------------------------------------------------- +""I'm always rethinking that. There's never been a day when I haven't rethought +that. But I can't do that by myself."" Bill Clinton 6 April 93 +""If I were an American, as I am an Englishman, while a foreign troop was landed +in my country, I never would lay down my arms,-never--never--never!"" +WILLIAM PITT, EARL OF CHATHAM 1708-1778 18 Nov. 1777 +";19;True +"From: dclaar@cup.hp.com (Doug Claar) +Subject: Los Angeles Freeway traffic reports +Nntp-Posting-Host: hprtnyc.cup.hp.com +Organization: Hewlett-Packard +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8.9] +Lines: 8 + +While driving through the middle of nowhere, I picked up KNBR, AM 1070, +a clear-channel station based in Los Angeles. They had an ad +claiming that they were able to get traffic flow information from +all of the thousands of traffic sensors that CalTrans has placed +under the pavement. Does CalTrans sell this info? Does KNBR have +an exclusive? What's the deal? + +==Doug ""Former L.A. commuter"" Claar +";11;True +"From: dcd@se.houston.geoquest.slb.com (Dan Day) +Subject: Re: Car buying story, was: Christ, another dealer service scam... +Nntp-Posting-Host: mudd.se.houston.geoquest.slb.com +Organization: GeoQuest System, Inc. Houston +Distribution: usa +Lines: 57 + +In article <1993Apr15.161531.11737@newsgate.sps.mot.com> rapw20@email.sps.mot.com writes: +> +>their problem, I wasn't giving them any more money. The finance guy then +>brought in the manager on duty who proceeded to give me a hard time. I +>reminded him that I was the customer and I didn't think I should be +>treated like that and that if he didn't back off he could forget the whole +>deal. He made some smart remark so I told him where he could stick it, +>snatched back my check and left. Needless to say, they were not pleased by +>the turn of events. + +That's nothing. When a friend of mine went shopping for a small +sedan a few years ago, she brought me along as a token male so +the salespeople wouldn't give her the ""bimbo"" treatment. +Her first choice was a Mazda 323, and second choice was a Nissan +Sentra. We went to a Mazda dealership and described what ""we"" +wanted. We started negotiating on the price, and the salesdroid +kept playing the ""let me run this price by the sales manager"". After +playing the ""good salesman, bad salesman"" game, we finally told him +that if he didn't have the authority to negotiate a price, perhaps +we should be speaking directly to someone who did. He brought in +the sales manager who proceeded to dick us around with every trick +in the book. (Read Remar Sutton's ""Don't Get Taken Every Time"" for a +list.) Finally, after playing a few more rounds of ""you'll have to +work with us on this price"", also known as ""each time you come up a +thousand dollars we'll come down ten"", the salesmanager gave a signal to +his two sales cronies, stood up, and said ""well, we can't come down any +more so I guess we can't help you"" and they trouped out of the room, +leaving us sitting in the salesman's office all by ourselves. Hmm. +I'd read that sleazy salesmen sometimes bug their own offices so they +can leave and listen in on couples discussing the sales offer, and +I mentioned this aloud to my friend while we were sitting there wondering +why they would leave us in the office instead of showing us to the +door. For lack of anything better to do, I picked up the phone on +the desk and called another Mazda dealership, asked for a salesman, +and began discussing what kind of price they would consider. A few +sentences into the conversation, Mr. Salesmanager broke into the line +(!) and began telling me how rude he thought it was that I would call +another dealership from ""his"" phone! I said that since he'd announced +that our business was over, he shouldn't care, and every time I tried +to talk to the other sales guy the sales manager would drown out our +voices with his own. (How did he know that I was using the phone, +anyway?) Finally, I hung up and we headed out of the showroom. +Sales manager and cronies come out of a little unmarked room and he +begins to berate us again. We say that we won't bother him anymore, +we're going next door to the Nissan dealership. + +Then comes the part I wish I could have videotaped. As we go out +the front door, the sales manager SHOUTS across the entire showroom, +customers and all, ""Go ahead! You DESERVE to buy a Nissan!"" +So my friend bought a Sentra. + +Just so the guilty won't go unpunished, I'll mention that the +sales manager's name was Gary Tusone. From his manner, his +refusal to come down to a reasonable price, and his anger at the +end, my guess is that he had bet our original salesman (who was +a young novice) that he'd be able to get at least X dollars out of +us, and he was steamed that we wouldn't fall for his slimy tricks. +";10;True +"From: mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) +Subject: Re: Twitching eyelid +Summary: Different cause +Nntp-Posting-Host: aisun3.ai.uga.edu +Organization: AI Programs, University of Georgia, Athens +Lines: 9 + +I'm surprised nobody mentioned that twitching of the eyelid can be a +symptom of an infection, especially if it also itches or stings. +(It happened to me, and antibiotic eyedrops cleared it up nicely.) + +-- +:- Michael A. Covington internet mcovingt@ai.uga.edu : ***** +:- Artificial Intelligence Programs phone 706 542-0358 : ********* +:- The University of Georgia fax 706 542-0349 : * * * +:- Athens, Georgia 30602-7415 U.S.A. amateur radio N4TMI : ** *** ** +";4;True +"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) +Subject: Role of 'SDPA.ORG' in slaughter of Gunduz, Ariyak, Arikan, Benler,... +Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) +Distribution: world +Lines: 107 + +In article <1993Apr16.044001.15540@urartu.sdpa.org> hla@urartu.sdpa.org writes: + +>Sure it is. It tells us how far right the whole Turkish political spectrum + +Nobody ever exposed your crimes like that before? What was your personal +role in the murder of Orhan Gunduz and Kemal Arikan, again? How many more +Muslims will be slaughtered by 'SDPA.ORG' as publicly declared and filed +with legal authorities? Please spell it out for us. + + + ""...that more people have to die..."" + + SDPA <91@urartu.UUCP> + + ""Yes, I stated this and stand by it."" + + SDPA <255@urartu.UUCP> + + + January 28, 1982 - Los Angeles + Kemal Arikan is slaughtered by two Armenians while driving to work. + + March 22, 1982 - Cambridge, Massachusetts + Prelude to grisly murder. A gift and import shop belonging to + Orhan Gunduz is blown up. Gunduz receives an ultimatum: Either + he gives up his honorary position or he will be ""executed"". He + refuses. ""Responsibility"" is claimed by JCAG and SDPA. + + May 4, 1982 - Cambridge, Massachusetts + Orhan Gunduz, the Turkish honorary consul in Boston, would not bow + to the Armenian terrorist ultimatum that he give up his title of + ""honorary consul"". Now he is attacked and murdered in cold blood. + President Reagan orders an all-out manhunt-to no avail. An eye- + witness who gave a description of the murderer is shot down. He + survives... but falls silent. One of the most revolting ""triumphs"" in + the senseless, mindless history of Armenian terrorism. Such a murder + brings absolutely nothing - except an ego boost for the murderer + within the Armenian terrorist underworld, which is already wallowing + in self-satisfaction. + +Were you involved in the murder of Sarik Ariyak? + + December 17, 1980 - Sydney + Two Nazi Armenians massacre Sarik Ariyak and his bodyguard, Engin + Sever. JCAG and SDPA claim responsibility. + +It is public knowledge that the founder of the Marxist-Leninist terrorist +organization, the ASALA (an integral part of ASALA/SDPA/ARF), Hagop +Hagopian, began his notorious career as a member of the terrorist +group which perpetrated the massacre of the Israeli athletes at the +Munich Olympics in 1972. And the 'Armenian Foundation' stole from the +children of Turkiye to fund the criminal activities of the ASALA/SDPA/ARF +terrorists in their cold-blooded murder of defenceless Turkish and +Kurdish people. + +THE ARMENIAN FOUNDATION PROVIDED 30 BILLION TL TO ASALA + + 01/09/92, MILLIYET-- The Armenian Foundation based in +Istanbul is found to have provided 30 billion Turkish Lira ($6 +million) to the Armenian terrorist organization ASALA which have +murdered several Turkish diplomats abroad... + +Experts on international terrorism assert that the Armenian terrorists +use proceeds from drug trafficking (and from the Armenian Foundation) +to fund their deadly enterprises. The deadliest of terrorist assassins, +Carlos, proclaimed on Spanish television that his organization had +entered into a working relationship with Armenian terrorists and they +are using drug trafficking to raise money 'to continue' to slaughter +innocent people. Now, what is your personal and organizational role +in this scheme? + +Recent reports which have been confirmed by the U.S. Administration, +indicate that Armenian terrorist organizations are collaborating with +those who are responsible for the bombing of the United States Marine +barracks in Beirut. You won't be able to get away with your crimes +forever; the justice is long overdue. + +As for the Armenian genocide of 2.5 million Muslim people between +1914 and 1920: + +Source: Documents: Volume I (1919). + ""Document No: 42,"" Archive No: 1-2, Cabin No: 110, Drawer + No: 1(4), File No: 373, Section No: 1484(1032), Contents No: 9, 9-1. + (To the Office of Acting Supreme Commander - Acting Assistant + Section Director Major Ali Sukru) + +""It is sufficient to mention just some of the terrible and shameful crimes + committed only in Erzurum to get an idea about the Armenian atrocities + in the villages... + + I would also like to mention with disgust and abominable sight, a stain + on humanity, that I encountered at the west of Hasankale while my regiment + was proceeding into this town. There was a young Turkish women, apparently + once a very beautiful one, lying dead on one side of the road. A huge + stick had been inserted into her vagina. We took the corpses and left it + at a spot that was invisible from the road..."" + +Serdar Argic + + 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that + might serve as ways of escape for the Turks + and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' + (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) + 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists + a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) + + +";15;True +"From: bigjoe@netcom.com (g perry) +Subject: 1956 Elvis autograph + A friend requested that I post the following: +Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) +Distribution: World +Lines: 9 + +"" For sale: 1956 Elvis Prestly autograph. Autogaph is one of two, the +othere being Elvis's friend Red West and were obtained by the seller in the +spring of 1956 in Jacksonville , Fla the afternoon following the incident +when Elvis collapsed during a concert at the Gaterbowl in Jacksonville. + Request offers. + Ellen T. (408) 978-7716 (San Jose, CA.)"" + + + +";8;True +"From: jodfishe@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (joseph dale fisher) +Subject: Re: Cell Church discussion group +Organization: Indiana University +Lines: 5 + +Then by that definition, I would be in a cell church only here at IU, +not when the whole group gets together at Indianapolis (>950 every week +in attendance). + +Joe Fisher +";17;True +"From: starowl@rahul.net (Michael D. Adams) +Subject: Re: New Study Out On Gay Percentage +Nntp-Posting-Host: bolero +Reply-To: starowl@rahul.net +Organization: D Service Actuarial Consulting +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] +Lines: 14 + +On Sat, 17 Apr 1993 20:42:58 GMT, Greg Hennessy observed: +: In article phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) writes: +: #Tells you something about the fascist politics being practiced .... + +: Ah, ending discrimination is now fascism. + +Is that what they called it when Truman forced integration of the +armed forces, despite the opposition of Congress and most of the +American public at that time? + +-- +Michael D. Adams (starowl@a2i.rahul.net) Enterprise, Alabama + + ""Tilting at windmills hurts you more than the windmills."" -- Lazarus Long +";18;True +"From: mccullou@snake2.cs.wisc.edu (Mark McCullough) +Subject: Re: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes: +>(reference line trimmed) +> +>livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes: +> +>[...] +> +>>There is a good deal more confusion here. You started off with the +>>assertion that there was some ""objective"" morality, and as you admit +>>here, you finished up with a recursive definition. Murder is +>>""objectively"" immoral, but eactly what is murder and what is not itself +>>requires an appeal to morality. +> + +I think you mean circular, not recursive, but that is semantics. +Recursiveness has no problems, it is just horribly inefficient (just ask +any assembly programmer.) + +>Yes. +> +>>Now you have switch targets a little, but only a little. Now you are +>>asking what is the ""goal""? What do you mean by ""goal?"". Are you +>>suggesting that there is some ""objective"" ""goal"" out there somewhere, +>>and we form our morals to achieve it? +> +>Well, for example, the goal of ""natural"" morality is the survival and +>propogation of the species. Another example of a moral system is +>presented within the Declaration of Independence, which states that we +>should be guaranteed life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. You see, +>to have a moral system, we must define the purpose of the system. That is, +>we shall be moral unto what end? + +The oft-quoted line that says people should be guaranteed life, liberty +and the pursuit of happiness as inalienable rights, is a complete lie +and deception, as the very authors of that line were in the process of +proving. Liberty is never free, it is always purchased at some cost, +almost always at the cost to another. Whos liberty is more inalienable? +Similarly for right of life. When one person must die if he is to save +another, or even a group of others, whos life is more inalienable? +That leads into the classic question of the value of the death penalty, +especially for serial killers. Whos life and liberty is more valuable, +the serial killer, or the victim? According to that beautiful line, +those two rights should be completely inviolate, that is, noone should be +able to remove them. This _includes_ government. Admittedly the serial +killer has restricted some people's life and/or liberty, but is not his +own life/liberty inviolate also? According to the declaration of independence, +it is. + +>>>Murder is certainly a violation of the golden rule. And, I thought I had +>>>defined murder as an intentional killing of a non-murderer, against his will. + +Oooh, I like that. It means that killing an infant is not murder because +it cannot be against its will. Reason, an infant has no will as such. + +Similarly for people who are brain dead (easier to see), in a coma, etc. + +Also, under current law, accidental killing is still murder. How will you +include that? + +>>>And you responded to this by asking whether or not the execution of an +>>>innocent person under our system of capital punishment was a murder or not. +>>>I fail to see what this has to do with anything. I never claimed that our +>>>system of morality was an objective one. +>>I thought that was your very first claim. That there was +>>some kind of ""objective"" morality, and that an example of that was +>>that murder is wrong. If you don't want to claim that any more, +>>that's fine. + +The only real golden rule in life is, he who has the gold, makes the +rules. I.e. Might Makes Right. That is survival. Now what is wrong +with that? + +>Well, murder violates the golen rule, which is certainly a pillar of most +>every moral system. However, I am not assuming that our current system +>and the manner of its implementation are objectively moral. I think that +>it is a very good approximation, but we can't be perfect. + +If you mean the golden rule as I stated, yes, almost every system as +implemented has used that in reality. Sorry, I don't deal as much in +fiction, as I do in reality. + +>>And by the way, you don't seem to understand the difference between +>>""arbitrary"" and ""objective"". If Keith Schneider ""defines"" murder +>>to be this that and the other, that's arbitrary. Jon Livesey may +>>still say ""Well, according to my personal system of morality, all +>>killing of humans against their will is murder, and wrong, and what +>>the legal definition of murder may be in the USA, Kuweit, Saudi +>>Arabia, or the PRC may be matters not a whit to me"". + +WELCOME TO OZLAND!!!!!!! :) + +What is NOT arbitrary? If you can find some part of society, some societal +rules, morals, etc. that are not arbitrary, please tell me. I don't think +there are any. + +>Well, ""objective"" would assume a system based on clear and fundamental +>concepts, while ""arbitary"" implies no clear line of reasoning. +> +>keith +Sounds like euphemisms to me. The difference seems to be, that objective +is some reasoning that I like, while arbitrary is some reasoning that +I don't like OR don't understand. + +M^2 + + +";9;True +"Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, academic Computer Center +From: Jason Kratz +Subject: Re: Guns GONE. Good Riddance ! +Lines: 18 + +In article <1993Apr18.000152.2339@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu>, jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu says: + +Ah I love posts like this. Many people have already replied to this one as I +knew they would. I'm not going to say much as this just seems like baiting to +me. Someone decided to post to see how many people would get mad and reply. I +am just going to ignore it but I do have one thing to say. See below. +> +>Surrender your arms. Soon enough, officers will be around to collect +>them. Resistance is useless. They will overwhelm you - one at a time. + ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ + +Listen buddy, if you're going to quote Star Trek get the quote right. It was +""Resistance is futile"". Get it right the next time :-) + +Jason - u28037@uicvm.cc.uic.edu + + +> +";3;True +"Subject: POV file constructor for Unix/X11 +From: Craig.Humphrey@comp.vuw.ac.nz (chumphre) +Reply-To: chumphre@comp.vuw.ac.nz +Distribution: world +Organization: Victoria University of Wellington. New Zealand +NNTP-Posting-Host: regent.comp.vuw.ac.nz +Lines: 13 + + +Hi, I'm just getting into PoVRay and I was wondering if there is a graphic +package that outputs .POV files. Any help would be appreciated. +Thanks. + +Later'ish +Craig + +-- + |\/\/\/\/\/| + | ___ ___ | ""I didn't do it, nobody saw me do it, + |/ \/ \| you can't prove anything."" +_ccc_c_#_|__#_ccc_c_____chumphre@comp.vuw.ac.nz_______________________________ +";1;True +"From: maler@vercors.imag.fr (Oded Maler) +Subject: Re: Binyamin Netanyahu on CNN tonight. +Nntp-Posting-Host: pelvoux +Organization: IMAG, University of Grenoble, France +Lines: 16 + +I have not seen but I guess would not liked it - to me he +represents the worst of both American and Israeli politics +- but this is a matter of taste. + +As for the famous confession, it is currently believed (at +least by some people) that all this adultry affair was just +invented by him in order to impress the Likkud voters (and poor +jealous Hamazah) and appear as a ""real"" man. + + + +-- +=============================================================== +Oded Maler, LGI-IMAG, Bat D, B.P. 53x, 38041 Grenoble, France +Phone: 76635846 Fax: 76446675 e-mail: maler@imag.fr +=============================================================== +";15;True +"From: jmk13@po.cwru.edu (Joseph M. Kasanic) +Subject: Re: how do you like the Apple Color OneScanner? +Article-I.D.: usenet.1pt46r$li6 +Distribution: world +Organization: Case School of Engineering +Lines: 19 +NNTP-Posting-Host: b63545.student.cwru.edu +X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d20 +X-XXMessage-ID: +X-XXDate: Tue, 6 Apr 93 03:36:54 GMT + +In article <1993Apr5.203903.12192@midway.uchicago.edu> JohnC, +jcav@ellis.uchicago.edu writes: +>We're all set to buy one of these for the office, to use for scanning in +>color photographs and for optical character recognition. We've played +with +>the original grayscale OneScanner and were very pleased. Is the color +model +>comparable in quality? +> +>Also, what brand of OCR software would you recommend? We're leaning +toward +>Caere OmniPage. Any better ideas? Thanks. + +I work in a campus bookstore and we had the opportunity to demo the Color +One +Scanner. I found it to be very impressive as well as affordable (with the + educational discount of course!). Note also that it comes with Ofoto +software +which is sufficient for our needs. +";0;True +"From: vojak@icebucket.stortek.com (Bill Vojak) +Subject: Letter To David Skaggs +Distribution: usa +Organization: Storage Technology Corp. +Lines: 136 +Originator: vojak@icebucket.stortek.com +Nntp-Posting-Host: icebucket.stortek.com + +Here is a letter I sent to David Skaggs, (Dem, CO). Before anybody says +something, yes the letter is a bit ""sharp"" in tone. I have been writting +reasonable and polite letters to him for years, and all I get in return +in the HCI party line. Since he already is NRA F rated, I don't think that +upsetting him will harm the cause. Sorry if you disagree, but recent events +in Texas REALLY have me pissed. + +------------------- + April 20, 1993 +Representative Skaggs, + +Recently I wrote to you regarding my outrage over the tactics used by the +Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms, (BATF), in Texas. In your response +you stated that ""Events in Texas underscore the need for stricter gun control +legislation to keep guns out of the hand of groups such as the Branch Davidians. +My question to you is, ""what grounds would you use to deny them access to +firearms?"" Best I can tell this statement underscores your apparent total +ignorance of the subject, and highlights your personal bias against firearms. +I say this because there are only two possible paths of ""gun control"" which you +could have been referencing. + +Either: +1) You were talking about their access to semi-automatics firearms. In this +case I should point out that semi-automatic firearms are legal in most areas of +this Country, including Texas and Colorado. In addition the members of the +""cult"" have never been convicted of any crimes which would deny them the ability +to purchase these weapons. So under what grounds would you deny them these +guns? Their religion? The fact they they live in a large group alone by +themselves? Because you consider them to be a cult? Maybe I consider your +Church to be a cult! + +This line of reasoning by you borders on the concept of ""thought crimes."" You +and Pat Robertson should really get along. + +2) You were referring to the ALLEGED FULLY automatic weapons possessed by the +""cult."" Under current US law, FULLY automatic weapons have been covered by +some of the strictest gun control laws in this Nation. So if David Koresh +illegally possessed them, he would have had to circumvent some of the strictest +laws we have. How will more laws help? By the way, it has been reported that +David Koresh possessed a Federal Firearms License which would have permitted +him to possess FULLY automatic weapons. If true, the 85 people who perished +Monday in the fire, died so that the Federal government could collect a couple +hundred dollars in taxes on guns David Koresh didn't declare. + +I have heard claims that they were ""stockpiling weapons."" Yet considering the +number of people in the complex, even 200+ weapons would not have been out of +line with gun ownership statistics for all of Texas. What's next? A siege of +Dallas/Ft Worth for alleged ""stockpiling?"" + +Face it David Skaggs, You have voted for virtually EVERY gun control law that +has passed through Congress, yet you claim that you are only for ""reasonable"" +restrictions. Bull****! Handgun Control Inc. is struggling to maintain +250,000 PAID members, while the NRA has just exceeded 3,000,000 members. They +are still growing at a rate of 2,000 new members per day. Driving around YOUR +district I see NRA stickers every day. In eight plus years of living here I +have only seen ONE HCI bumper sticker. When you vote for your ""reasonable"" +gun control laws, are you really representing your district, or are you +representing Sarah Bradys'? + + + Thank You, + + + + + William J. Vojak + + + + + + April 20, 1993 +Representative Skaggs, + +Recently I wrote to you regarding my outrage over the tactics used by the +Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms, (BATF), in Texas. In your response +you stated that ""Events in Texas underscore the need for stricter gun control +legislation to keep guns out of the hand of groups such as the Branch Davidians. +My question to you is, ""what grounds would you use to deny them access to +firearms?"" Best I can tell this statement underscores your apparent total +ignorance of the subject, and highlights your personal bias against firearms. +I say this because there are only two possible paths of ""gun control"" which you +could have been referencing. + +Either: +1) You were talking about their access to semi-automatics firearms. In this +case I should point out that semi-automatic firearms are legal in most areas of +this Country, including Texas and Colorado. In addition the members of the +""cult"" have never been convicted of any crimes which would deny them the ability +to purchase these weapons. So under what grounds would you deny them these +guns? Their religion? The fact they they live in a large group alone by +themselves? Because you consider them to be a cult? Maybe I consider your +Church to be a cult! + +This line of reasoning by you borders on the concept of ""thought crimes."" You +and Pat Robertson should really get along. + +2) You were referring to the ALLEGED FULLY automatic weapons possessed by the +""cult."" Under current US law, FULLY automatic weapons have been covered by +some of the strictest gun control laws in this Nation. So if David Koresh +illegally possessed them, he would have had to circumvent some of the strictest +laws we have. How will more laws help? By the way, it has been reported that +David Koresh possessed a Federal Firearms License which would have permitted +him to possess FULLY automatic weapons. If true, the 85 people who perished +Monday in the fire, died so that the Federal government could collect a couple +hundred dollars in taxes on guns David Koresh didn't declare. + +I have heard claims that they were ""stockpiling weapons."" Yet considering the +number of people in the complex, even 200+ weapons would not have been out of +line with gun ownership statistics for all of Texas. What's next? A siege of +Dallas/Ft Worth for alleged ""stockpiling?"" + +Face it David Skaggs, You have voted for virtually EVERY gun control law that +has passed through Congress, yet you claim that you are only for ""reasonable"" +restrictions. Bull****! Handgun Control Inc. is struggling to maintain +250,000 PAID members, while the NRA has just exceeded 3,000,000 members. They +are still growing at a rate of 2,000 new members per day. Driving around YOUR +district I see NRA stickers every day. In eight plus years of living here I +have only seen ONE HCI bumper sticker. When you vote for your ""reasonable"" +gun control laws, are you really representing your district, or are you +representing Sarah Bradys'? + + + Thank You, + William J. Vojak + +--------------------------- + + Bill Vojak + vojak@icebucket.stortek.com + NRA, ILA, + Colorado Firearms Coalition +------------------------------------------------------------ +The CBS Nightly Propaganda With Dan Rather. (RATHER NOT!) +The CBS Nightly Propaganda With Dan Rather. (RATHER BIASED!) +------------------------------------------------------------ +";3;True +"From: ranjan@cs.ubc.ca (Vishwa Ranjan) +Subject: Complex (i.e. with real and imaginary parts) bio-medical images.. +Organization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada +Lines: 7 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: ironduke.cs.ubc.ca + +Are complex bio-medical images available anywhere on the net for +experimentation? By complex I mean that every sampled data point has +a magnitude and phase information both. + +Thanks for any pointers, +--Vishwa + +";1;True +"From: brifre1@ac.dal.ca +Subject: Yet more crazy predictions +Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada +Lines: 36 + + +Well here it goes...my crazy predictions (which never come true, but hey..) + +Adams + Bos vs. Buf - Bos in 5 (cakewalk for the hot Bruins) + Que vs. Mon - Que in 6 (best series of the first round) + +Patrick + Pit vs. NYI - Pit in 5 (NYI wins fourth game) + Was vs. NJD - NJD in 7 (a grueling upset, possibly OT in game 7) + +Norris + Chi vs. StL - Chi in 5 (StL is no match for Keenan's Krew) + Det vs. Tor - Tor in 6 (Clark steps it up in playoffs this year) + +Smythe (who cares?) + Van vs. Win - Win in 7 (so I'm caught up in Teemu-mania, sue me!) + Cal vs. LAK - Cal in 5 (LA sucks!!!!!!!!! IMO) + +Division finals + Bos vs. Que - Bos in 7 (killer games, watch for Cam to shine) + Pit vs. NJD - Pit in 6 (NJD go insane, kill all on ice, but Pit wins) + Chi vs. Tor - Tor in 7 (Tor defense finally get it together) + Cal vs. Win - Cal in 6 (Win too tired after 1st series) + +Conference finals + Pit vs. Bos - Bos in 6 (Pit too beat up by NJD to play (I hope)) + Cal vs. Tor - Tor in 6 (Vernon turns into a sieve) + +Stanley Cup + Bos vs. Tor - Tor in 7 (Two totally different teams, who knows? Dreams + can come true, pig might one day evolve wings) + +Feel free to laugh at my predictions, I always do! + +Barfly +";13;True +"From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) +Subject: Re: Solar Sail Data +Organization: U of Toronto Zoology +Lines: 10 + +In article <1qk4qf$mf8@male.EBay.Sun.COM> almo@packmind.EBay.Sun.COM writes: +>Hey!? What happened to the solar sail race that was supposed to be +>for Columbus+500? + +There was a recession, and none of the potential entrants could raise any +money. The race organizers were actually supposed to be handling part of +the fundraising, but the less said about that the better. +-- +All work is one man's work. | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology + - Kipling | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry +";2;True +"From: mussack@austin.ibm.com (Christopher Mussack) +Subject: Re: Sin +Organization: IBM Austin +Lines: 29 + +In article , jadaley@cwis.unomaha.edu (Jill Anne Daley) writes: +> What exactly is a definition of sin and what are some examples. How does a +> person know when they are committing sin? +> + +Anything that does not bring me closer to God is a sin. +(If you think this is too strict, just consider how ambiguous it is.) + +This implies that staying the same is a sin. A Christian should +never be satisfied. It does not imply that +having fun is a sin. It does not imply that sleeping is a sin. +It does imply that I sin every day. + +A perhaps simpler definition: +Anything that is counter to the two Great Commandments: +love God, love your neighbor, is a sin. +Anything I do that is not from love is a sin. + +The same action can be a sin sometimes and not a sin sometimes. + +I could yell at my kids as discipline, all the time loving them, +considering only to teach them proper behavior, or I could yell at my +kids out of anger or selfishness. + +I could post an excellent article because I am interested in sharing +my opinions and getting feedback and learning, or I could post an +article because I want everyone to realize how wise I am. + +Chris Mussack +";17;True +"From: spl@ivem.ucsd.edu (Steve Lamont) +Subject: Re: Point within a polygon +Organization: University of Calif., San Diego/Microscopy and Imaging Resource +Lines: 15 +NNTP-Posting-Host: ivem.ucsd.edu +Keywords: point, polygon + +In article <1993Apr14.102007.20664@uk03.bull.co.uk> scrowe@hemel.bull.co.uk (Simon Crowe) writes: +>I am looking for an algorithm to determine if a given point is bound by a +>polygon. Does anyone have any such code or a reference to book containing +>information on the subject ? + +See the article ""An Efficient Ray-Polygon Intersection,"" p. 390 in +Graphics Gems (ISBN 0-12-286165-5). The second step, intersecting the +polygon, does what you want. There is sample code in the book. + + spl +-- +Steve Lamont, SciViGuy -- (619) 534-7968 -- spl@szechuan.ucsd.edu +San Diego Microscopy and Imaging Resource/UC San Diego/La Jolla, CA 92093-0608 +""They are not Bolsheviks, + just bullshitviks."" - Yevgeny Yevtechenko, ""Again a meeting..."" +";1;True +"From: arc@cco.caltech.edu (Aaron Ray Clements) +Subject: Re: ACLU (was Re: Waco Shootout ...) +Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena +Lines: 17 +NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu + +""Paul Hager"" writes: + +>>The 2nd Amendment does say ""keep and bear."" If ""bear"" is defined to +>>mean ""carry,"" then most people are physically unable to carry a several +>>hundred pound nuclear device. + +>As I understand it, sub-kiloton nuclear demolitions are man-portable +>and carried in a backpack. + +As I recall, in the 60's the Kennedy Administration had sub-kiloton +nuclear weapons withdrawn from Europe and destroyed. They were man- +portable and made for use in shoulder-mount rocket launchers. The +smallest nuclear test I've seen data for was a .1 (yes, one-tenth) +kiloton weapon tested either in the late 40's or early 50's. + +aaron +arc@cco.caltech.edu +";3;True +"From: yb025@uafhp..uark.edu (John Schiefer) +Subject: Food coupons +Summary: Deal of century +Keywords: holmes +Article-I.D.: moe.1pt03p$h08 +Organization: Kansas State University +Lines: 12 +NNTP-Posting-Host: uafhp.uark.edu + +Looking to save money? I am your man. I will mail you +$5 in food coupons for only$2.50. Or you will get twice the dollar amount +of coupons. So mail $15 and get $30 dollars in coupons. Sounds like a great +deal well it is. Send SASE to 766 S.Elizabeth St. Salt Lake City, Utah 84102 +enclose money in form of a money order. Personally, I would not trust a person +to send coupons after money is sent. Well, let me earn your trust. Send +$1 dollar, and I'll send you your $2 in store coupons. +Then we'll talk more +e-mail enquiries to yb025@uafhp.uark.edu + +Thank you, +John Schiefer +";8;True +"From: johnh@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (John J Humpal) +Subject: Re: images of earth +Organization: Homewood Academic Computing, Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, Md, USA +Lines: 14 +NNTP-Posting-Host: jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu + +In article <1993Apr20.143434.5069@cs.ruu.nl> clldomps@cs.ruu.nl (Louis van Dompselaar) writes: + +>So they should sue the newspaper I got it from for printing it. +>The article didn't say anything about copyrights. + + The newspaper itself is almost certainly copyrighted in its +entirety. Newspapers generally employ legal staffs which make sure +they get permission to use a copyrighted image or text. Did you +do the same? +-- +-John + +John J. Humpal -- johnh@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu -- short .sig, std. disclaimer + +";1;True +"From: mrr@scss3.cl.msu.edu (Mark Riordan) +Subject: List of large integer arithmetic packages +Organization: Michigan State University +Lines: 285 +NNTP-Posting-Host: scss3.cl.msu.edu +Summary: C functions to do arbitrary-precision arith +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] + +This is the file BIGNUMS.TXT from ripem.msu.edu, last updated April 1993. + +In response to Email requests, I have assembled this list of +large-integer arithmetic packages of which I have heard. +Most of these are C function libraries, available in source form. + +For your convenience, I have placed copies of +some of these on ripem.msu.edu (35.8.1.178). They are +available for anonymous FTP in the directory ""pub/bignum"". +However, what I have may not be the most current version in all cases. + +Here they are, in no particular order: + +mp + Multiple Precision package that comes with some Unixes + + Multiple precision package accessed via -lmp flag on your + compiler. Provides +, -, *, /, gcd, exponentiation, + sqrt. Comes with SunOS, NeXT Mach, BBN Mach 1000, + and probably a few others. See ""man mp"". + Object code only, of course. + +PARI + Henri Cohen, et al., Universite Bordeaux I, Paris, FRANCE + + Multiple precision desk calculator and library routines. + Contains optimized assembly code for Motorola 68020, + semi-optimized code for SPARC, and apparently rather slow + generic C version. Does both integers and reals. + Does vectors and matrices as well as scalars. + Contains a number of advanced functions, some of which I've + never heard of. (""Weber's function""?) + Has a factorization function, primality test, & other related stuff. + Plenty of TEX documentation. + Public domain, but you can't distribute modified versions. + Available via anonymous FTP from math.ucla.edu. There seem to + be Mac- and NeXT-specific versions there in addition to: + Filename: pari-1.35a.tar.Z + +Arithmetic in Global Fields (Arith) + Kevin R. Coombes, David R. Grant + + Package of routines for arbitrary precision integers or + polynomials over finite fields. Includes basic +, -, *, / + and a few others like gcd. Source code in C. + Distributed under the terms of the GNU public license. + Includes man pages and TEX documentation. + Filename: arith.tar.Z + +Arbitrary Precision Math Library + Lloyd Zusman Los Gatos, CA + + C package which supports basic +, -, *, /. Provides for radix + points (i.e., non-integers). Not as polished as the others here. + Posted to comp.sources.misc in October 1988. + Filename: apml.tar.Z + +BigNum + J. Vuillemin, INRIA, FRANCE, and others. + Distributed by Digital Equipment Paris Research Lab (DECPRL) + + A ""portable and efficient arbitrary-precision integer"" package. + C code, with generic C ""kernel"", plus assembly ""kernels"" for + MC680x0, Intel i960, MIPS, NS32032, Pyramid, and of course VAX. + This is probably one of the better-known packages of this type. + Implements +, -, *, /, mod, plus logical operations OR, AND, XOR. + Both signed and unsigned arithmetic available. + Available via email from librarian@decprl.dec.com. + You will receive 5 shell archives. Give your postal address + and you will also receive printed documentation from France. + Package includes TEX documentation. + Publicly available for non-commercial use. + I removed this from my archive when I heard a rumor that PRL + doesn't like others to distribute it. However, BIGNUM *is* + distributed as part of ecpp (see below). + +Lenstra's package + Arjen Lenstra Bellcore + + Portable unsigned integer package written entirely in C. + Includes +, -, *, /, exponentiation, mod, primality testing, + sqrt, random number generator, and a few others. The package + was uncommented and undocumented; I have tried to add enough + comments to get by. This is the only of these packages that I + have actually used. It works well and is very portable. + I haven't done any benchmarks against the others, but the code + looks clever & Lenstra is an accomplished number theorist. + Unlike the other packages here, this one requires you to allocate + storage statically--only a problem if your numbers are really huge. + Arjen has placed the code in the public domain. + Filename: lenstra.tar.Z + +lenstra_3.1 + Arjen Lenstra, Bellcore + + An improved version of Arjen's package above. This one + does signed arithmetic and dynamic allocation (which can be turned + off as an option). Has a few new routines, too. ""lenstra_3.1"" contains + minor bugfixes to the previously-available ""lenstra_2"" and ""lenstra_3"". + Filename: lenstra_3.1.c + +bmp (Brent's Multiple Precision?) + R. P. Brent + + 1981 vintage FORTRAN code to do extended precision floating & + fixed point arithmetic. Includes most of the mathematical + functions you'd find in a FORTRAN run-time library. + This code is an ACM algorithm, number 524. + To obtain, send a mail message to netlib@ornl.gov + containing the line ""send mp.f from bmp"" or better yet, perhaps + just start with ""help"". + +SPX + Kannan Alagappan & Joseph Tardo, DEC + + This is a huge prototype public key authentication system + based on RSA. I mention it here because those who have heard + of SPX have probably correctly guessed that it contains a large + integer package and I want to inform you that the large integer + package it contains is indeed DEC's BigNum from France. + You can get a beta test copy of SPX from crl.dec.com (192.58.206.2). + Use it only for testing, as it ""may"" expire on a certain date. + (I don't know whether this has expired yet.) + +amp (Antti's Multiple Precision?) + Antti Louko alo@kampi.hut.fi + + Multiple precision integer package in C. Includes +, -, *, /, %, + pow, mod, 1/x mod y, random, sqrt, gcd. Available for non-commercial + use. The package includes ""share-secret"", a public key system based + on the Diffie-Hellman algorithm. + This is normally part of the well-known ""des-dist.tar.Z"", + but I have removed the DES part to avoid having to deal with + cryptographic export laws, and have named the result: + Filename: amp.tar.Z + +gennum + Per Bothner U of Wisconsin-Madison + + C++ routines and classes to do generic arithmetic, both + integer and rational. + Formerly available on sevenlayer.cs.wis.edu. However, it + seems to have disappeared. Sorry. + +MIRACL + (By someone in Dublin, Ireland) + + Integer and fractional multiple precision package. + Includes factorization, primality testing, encryption. + Not public domain, apparently. It is available from the Austin + Code Works. (See ads in Byte Magazine or Dr. Dobbs.) + +precision + Dave Barrett barrettd@tigger.colorado.edu + + Multiple precision integer package in C with +,-,*,/, sqrt, rand, + mod, pow, log. Simple vector support. Does dynamic allocation of memory. + Free as long as you don't sell it or any program that uses it. + Filename: precision.tar.Z + +UBASIC + Prof. Yuji Kida, Rikkyo University, Nishi-Ikebukuro 3, Tokyo 171, Japan + kida@rkmath.rikkyo.ac.jp + + Multiple-precision version of the BASIC programming language, + for MS-DOS. Includes floating point. Said (by Keith Briggs) + to be pretty fast. Object only, I think. ervin@morekypr.bitnet + says: ""This is the best package that I know of for + fast arithmetic. Has a version optimized for 386 machines. Includes + routines to do MPQS, the fastest currently known general factoring + algorithm. An additional file is at both sites to allow MPQS to use + hard drives so that it can factor up to 80 digits. Many number + theoretical functions are included in UBASIC. It allows over 2500 + digits of precision."" + Available via anonymous FTP from shape.mps.ohio-state.edu, + or simtel20.army.mil, or wuarchive.wustl.edu. + +calc_v22 + Unknown + + MS-DOS C-like language that allows ""infinite"" precision. + Nice intrinsic functions. ervin@morekypr.bitnet reports problems + when changing precision on the fly. + See simtel20 or wuarchive. + +briggs_arith + Keith Briggs (kbriggs@mundoe.maths.mu.oz.au) + + Turbo Pascal 5 source for routines that do multiple-precision + +, -, *, /, sqrt, gcd, factoring, rand for integers; also includes + +, -, *, / and rand for rational numbers. + Filename: briggs_arith.pas + +Institute fur Experimentelle Mathematik + Dr Gerhard Schneider (?) + + Fast C multiple-precision subroutine library. + I don't know anything about it; sl25@ely.cl.cam.ac.uk says + to contact MAT420@DE0HRZ1A.BITNET for more info. + Postal Address: + Institute fur Experimentelle Mathematik + EllernStr 29 + D4300 Essen-12 GERMANY + +LongInt + Markus Mueller (mueller@komsys.tik.ethz.ch) + + ""Multi precision arithmetic written in MODULA-2, with the most time critical + parts written in Assembler. Includes basic arithmetics (+, -, *, /, %) as + well as arithmetics MODULO a number. An additional module provides a + collection of procedures for primality testing, gcd, multiplicative + inverse and more. The package is part of a Privacy Enhanced Mail (PEM) + package which includes a PEM mailer, RSA key generator and Certificate + generation tools."" + + Source is in Modula-2, C, and assembler for Sun 3. LongInt has + also been ported to MS-DOS under Logitech Modula-2 and Turbo + Assembler. Availability: free for university use (research and + education); otherwise, a source license is required. To obtain, + write or email to: + + Markus Mueller + Bertastrasse 7 + CH-8953 Dietikon + Switzerland + email: mueller@komsys.tik.ethz.ch + +bignum-1.2 + Henrik.Johansson@Nexus.Comm.SE + + Bignum package written in portable C. Will in the future + conform to the Common Lisp functions that handles integers. + Currently includes +, -, *, /, exponentiation, ""exptmod"", + comparison, random numbers, and gcd. + Filename: bignum-1.2 + +GNU Multiple Precision + GNU (Free Software Foundation) multiple precision package. + I haven't looked at it yet. This is current as of April 1992, + but there may be a more recent version by the time you read + this. This package is very widely available on FTP sites. + Filename: gmp-1.2.tar.Z + +Elliptic Curve Primality Proving + Francois Morian, France. + + Large package to prove the primality of any prime. + Includes Inria's BIGNUM package. + Obtained from ftp.inria.fr (128.93.1.26). + Filename: ecpp.V3.4.1.tar.Z + +PGP (Pretty Good Privacy) + Philip Zimmermann prz@sage.cgd.ucar.EDU + + Intel-based crypto package that includes bignum routines in C, + said to be quite fast for Intel processors. Unix and Mac + versions also available. + The crypto package violates RSA patents, but the bignum routines + can be used without fear of legal repercussions. + +Bell's Arbitrary Precision Calculator + David I. Bell, Australia (dbell@pdact.pd.necisa.oz.au) + + Arbitrary-precision calculator with good online help, C-like + language, many builtin functions, support for integers, + rational numbers (they work like floating point), complex numbers, + matrices, strings, lists, files, ""objects"". Includes + gcd, primality testing, even trig functions. Recommended. + (Large package, though.) Obtained from comp.sources.unix. + Filename: calc-1.24.7.tar.Z + +Built-in support in other languages + Various + + Multiple precision arithmetic is available in a number of + programming languages, such as Lisp and ABC (cf. mcsun.eu.net). + Perl (by Larry Wall, available from devvax.jpl.nasa.gov) + includes source, in Perl, for such a package, but it's probably + not suitable for serious use. + For some of these, source code may be available. This list is + long enough, so I'm not going to pursue it aggressively. + +Thanks to Ed Vielmetti and several others who contributed to this list. + +Mark Riordan mrr@ripem.msu.edu +";16;True +"From: turpin@cs.utexas.edu (Russell Turpin) +Subject: Re: Christian meta-ethics +Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin +Lines: 121 +NNTP-Posting-Host: saltillo.cs.utexas.edu +Summary: Spit out the lukewarm! + +-*---- +In article mls@panix.com (Michael Siemon) writes: +> Well, the whole *point* of making these the ""base"" commandments is that +> they *aren't* reducible to rules. A set of rules is a moral code or a +> law code or an algorithm for acting. Such things can be very helpful +> to individuals or societies -- but not if they are used *instead* of a +> personal involvement in and responsibility for one's actions. ... + +The two commandments *are* rules; they are merely rules that are +so vague that they are practically devoid of meaning. Michael +Siemon acknowledges this every time he writes that the resolution +of an argument over them turns on secular and cultural +assumptions that are independent of these rules. + +> ... The Great Commandment is, more than anything else, a call +> to act *as if you were God and accepting ultimate responsibility* +> in your every action. ... + +The commandment to love your neighbor as yourself can be viewed, +in part, as reminding man that he is not God and cannot act as if +he has ""ultimate responsibility."" Indeed, many traditions present +an interpretation where believers are supposed to interpret +loving one's neighbor as following various other rules, and +relying on their god to make things come out right, precisely +because it would be wrong for man to assume such ""ultimate +responsibility."" Once again, we are confronted with good sounding +goo that means whatever the reader wants it to mean. + +> ... ""Conservatives"" may twist this ""act as if you were God"" to +> mean ""lay down rules for other people and be as nasty to them +> as possible if they don't keep YOUR rules."" They are so +> insistent (and obvious) about this that they have convinced a +> lot of people (who rightly reject the whole concept!) that such +> idiocy IS how God acts. ... + +And who is to say that this interpretation is ""twisted""? There +are many passages in the Bible that in their most straightforward +reading show the Christian god behaving in just this way. +Michael cannot refer to ""base"" claims or base commandments to +show that such readings are ""twisted,"" because this divergence in +understanding occurs even in trying to interpret the ""base"" +claims and commandments. In addressing conservative Christians, +Michael will necessarily draw upon secular and cultural notions +that these conservative Christians will reject. + +> But why should anyone BE looking for an ethical system, since our +> society is eager to hand us one or more no matter what we do? It +> may be that we need a principle for the CRITIQUE of ethical systems +> -- in which case I will profer the _agapate allelou_ once again. + +But these base commandments are too vague to serve as ""a +principle for the CRITIQUE of ethical systems."" The meaning of +these base commandments for any believer derives from the secular +and cultural notions that the believer brings to them, from how +the believer mixes their demands with straightforward readings of +other Biblical passages, from a particular sectarian tradition, +or from some combination of these things. These commandments +lack sufficient substance in themself to serve as a basis for +criticizing ethical systems. What meaning they have comes from +the ethical system the believer brings to these commandments. + +> And different bodies of Christians have, from the beginning, urged +> *different* ""ethical systems"" (or in some cases, none). As a result, +> it is bizarre to identify any one of these systems, however popular +> (or infamous) with Christianity. Christianity DOES NOT HAVE A TORAH. +> It does not have a QU'RAN. Specifically Christian scripture has very +> little, if anything, in the way of ""commandments"" -- so little that +> the ""Christians"" who desperately *want* commandments go ""mining"" for +> them with almost no support ... The one, single, thing in the gospels +> which Jesus specifically ""gives"" as ""a commandment"" to us is ""love +> one another."" + +Jesus explicitly states that this summarizes Jewish law, which +would seem to bring in all of it if we properly understand what +it means to love God and love our neighbors. There are *many* +parables and teachings the gospels attribute to Jesus that are +straightforwardly read as ethical commandments. The Pauline +epistles are similarly full. If it is not clear that these all +come together in a sensible understanding of ethical behavior, +the problem is *not* a lack of raw material. + +-*---- +> I am a ""radical"" Christian *only* in that I take the gospel seriously. + +No, Michael, the conservative Christians also take the gospel +seriously. What differentiates you is the way you interpret the +gospel. + +> ... Why don't I and the (myriads of) other Christians like me +> tell you something about Christianity? ... + +In a sense, the wide variety of interpretations does tell us +something about Christianity. It tells us that the New Testament +authors left a sufficiently vague hodge-podge that it can serve +as the source text for many, vastly different beliefs about the +nature of the Christian god and about what men should and +shouldn't do. + +The irony here is that there is *nothing* in Christianity per +se that Michael can use to support the cause of lesbians and +gays. *Every* Christian principle he turns to this cause is +effective only through the extra-Christian principles through +which Michael interprets his religion, and the homophobes apply +the *same* Christian principles, with equal justification, to +their cause. In short, it is the extra-Christian principles that +make Michael's Christianity beneficial, and I suspect they would +be as beneficial, perhaps moreso, without being filtered by +Christian interpretation. + +Michael paints a picture of ""standard American atheism"" as the +rejection of the evil in many conservative Christian +interpretations of the Bible. But I think it is even more +damaging to Christianity to note that the New Testament presents +such a vague hodge-podge of notions about the nature of God and +the nature of the good (except, of course, when it is ordered by +an interpretation that relies on extraneous principles). Here, I +think we should apply a Christian parable, where a cold drink can +have its value and a hot drink can have its value, but the +lukewarm we should spit out. + +Russell +";19;True +"From: dye@lachman.com (Ken R. Dye ) +Subject: Re: Feedback requested on lowering '66 Mustang +Nntp-Posting-Host: london.i88.isc.com +Organization: Lachman Technology, Inc., Naperville, IL +Lines: 28 + +In article jp@vllyoak.resun.com (Jeff Perry) writes: +>I have found a kit advertised for lowering the front end of an early +>mustang. Installation envolves moving the upper A-arm and installation +>of a wedge shaped spacer between the A-arm and ball joint. Apparently, +>Shelby Mustangs did a similair modification, but left out the spacer. +> +>I would be interested in feedback, pro or con, on such a modification. + + I'm no mustang head, but don't the early ones have a simple +strut suspension (that is, with no upper A-arm)? Just a strut +going down to a lower control arm (single bushing: not an A-arm), with a +tension/compression rod locating it in the forward/backward direction? + + Anyway, simple strut suspensions like this can be lowered just by using +shorter springs, cutting the springs, lowering the spring perch or shortening +the strut below the perch. In each of these cases, the suspension geometry +will suffer because the lower control arms will not be at the +intended angle. A spacer placed between control arm and the bottom +of the strut (roughly the height of the reduction) will restore +the suspension geometry. IMHO, the kit that includes the spacer +is the only way to go... + +--Ken +-- +Ken R. Dye an optimist is a guy | +Lachman Technology, Inc., Chicago that has never had | +(708) 505-9555 x341 much experience | +dye@lachman.com archy | +";10;True +"Subject: Re: Mac Plus is constantly rebooting! +From: stubbs@hawk.cs.ukans.edu (Jerry Stubbs) +Organization: University of Kansas Computer Science Dept +Lines: 14 + +>On a side note, has anyone ever had a Mac Plus ""smoke out"" on them? We +>have had four machines that all of a sudden start emitting a thick grayish +>white smoke. In each case it was a capacitor that had gone bad. Has +>anyone else encountered this? + +>Keith Cooley +>EE Macintosh Lab Administrator +>Louisiana Tech University +>tkc@engr.LaTech.EDU + + +We've had it happen a time or two. Beginning students think it is pretty +entertaining when it happens during a lab lecture or demonstration. + +";0;True +"From: C.O.EGALON@LARC.NASA.GOV (CLAUDIO OLIVEIRA EGALON) +Subject: Re: japanese moon landing? +Organization: NASA Langley Research Center +Lines: 13 +Distribution: world +Reply-To: C.O.EGALON@LARC.NASA.GOV (CLAUDIO OLIVEIRA EGALON) +NNTP-Posting-Host: tahiti.larc.nasa.gov + +> there is no such thing as a stable lunar orbit + +Is it right??? That is new stuff for me. So it means that you just can +not put a sattellite around around the Moon for too long because its +orbit will be unstable??? If so, what is the reason??? Is that because +the combined gravitacional atraction of the Sun,Moon and Earth +that does not provide a stable orbit around the Moon??? + + C.O.EGALON@LARC.NASA.GOV + +C.O.Egalon@larc.nasa.gov + +Claudio Oliveira Egalon +";2;True +"From: loki@acca.nmsu.edu (Entropic Destroyer) +Subject: Re: Need info on 43:1 and suicide for refutation +Organization: New Mexico State University +Lines: 26 +Distribution: usa +NNTP-Posting-Host: rever.nmsu.edu +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] + +Entropic Destroyer (loki@acca.nmsu.edu) wrote: + +: I have seen these numbers quoted before, and I have seen very specific +: refutation of them quoted as well. If someone will be so kind as to +: email the relevant information, I will write a letter to the editor of +: the Co. Daily (which might get published) and send a copy to USN&WR as +: well. + +Thanks to all who responded. The letter has been written (making liberal +use of info provided by various net.folks) and handed to the paper. I'll +post if it gets into the paper! + +--Dan + +-- + DoD #202 / loki@acca.nmsu.edu / liberty or death / taylordf@ucsu.colorado.edu + Send me something even YOU can't read... +-----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- +Version: 2.1 + +mQCNAitfksQAAAEEAKceEjWI9f5KMJyKP0LOgC5dGHRpbMY2xhOo8kpEHMDyuf8a +1BfDQSj53kosTz6HRoshSDzLVuL1/40vPjmMNtFR+vyZ4jvd3rL4iuq2umMmex3M +itf3uLt8Xn/v/QAbsvhcFSHVJVK4Lf6wosuCMO03m2TiX31AI7VB0Uzo4yXjAAUX +tCREYW5pZWwgRiBUYXlsb3IgPExva2lAYWNjYS5ubXN1LmVkdT4= +=S5ib +-----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- +";3;True +"From: thinman@netcom.com (Technically Sweet) +Subject: What is reverse or negative video? +Organization: International Foundation for Internal Freedom +Lines: 23 + +I'm interested in simulating reverse (or negative) color video +mathematically. What is the transform? Is it a simple +reversal of the hue value in the HSV color space? Is it +a manipulation in the YUV color space? How is it related +to solarization? + +If you want to see something truly wild, turn on the +reverse video effect on a camcorder so equipped, +and point it at the monitor. This creates a chaotic +dynamical system whose phase space is continuous along +rotation, zoom, focus, etc. Very very surprising and +lovely. I'd like to write a simulation of this effect +without analog grunge. Thanks for any info you may have. + +Please e-mail any info to me. I'll post a summary. + +Thanks, + +-- + +Lance Norskog +thinman@netcom.com +Data is not information is not knowledge is not wisdom. +";1;True +"From: <34AEJ7D@CMUVM.BITNET> +Followups-to: talk.politics.guns +Subject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH - UPDATE +Distribution: usa + <1993Apr19.202756.6889@msuvx2.memst.edu> +Lines: 11 + +Ah yes, I see a few liberal weenies have come out of the woodwork +to defend the burning of the children. Probably drooled all over themselves +while watching the TV coverage. + +Probably had a few like that in Nazi Germany, as well. + +Oh yeah, ATF/FBI now claims, according the the media, that there are +a few survivors. The number seems to vary minute by minute. + + + +";3;True +"From: I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau) +Subject: Re: Yeah, Right +Organization: Technical University Braunschweig, Germany +Lines: 54 + +In article <66014@mimsy.umd.edu> +mangoe@cs.umd.edu (Charley Wingate) writes: + +>>And what about that revelation thing, Charley? +> +>If you're talking about this intellectual engagement of revelation, well, +>it's obviously a risk one takes. +> + +I see, it is not rational, but it is intellectual. Does madness qualify +as intellectual engagement, too? + + +>>Many people say that the concept of metaphysical and religious knowledge +>>is contradictive. +> +>I'm not an objectivist, so I'm not particularly impressed with problems of +>conceptualization. The problem in this case is at least as bad as that of +>trying to explain quantum mechanics and relativity in the terms of ordinary +>experience. One can get some rough understanding, but the language is, from +>the perspective of ordinary phenomena, inconsistent, and from the +>perspective of what's being described, rather inexact (to be charitable). +> + +Exactly why science uses mathematics. QM representation in natural language +is not supposed to replace the elaborate representation in mathematical +terminology. Nor is it supposed to be the truth, as opposed to the +representation of gods or religions in ordinary language. Admittedly, +not every religion says so, but a fancy side effect of their inept +representations are the eternal hassles between religions. + +And QM allows for making experiments that will lead to results that will +be agreed upon as being similar. Show me something similar in religion. + + +>An analogous situation (supposedly) obtains in metaphysics; the problem is +>that the ""better"" descriptive language is not available. +> + +With the effect that the models presented are useless. And one can argue +that the other way around, namely that the only reason metaphysics still +flourish is because it makes no statements that can be verified or falsified - +showing that it is bogus. + + +>>And in case it holds reliable information, can you show how you establish +>>that? +> +>This word ""reliable"" is essentially meaningless in the context-- unless you +>can show how reliability can be determined. + +Haven't you read the many posts about what reliability is and how it can +be acheived respectively determined? + Benedikt +";9;True +"From: ipser@solomon.technet.sg (Ed Ipser) +Subject: Top Ten Ways Slick Willie Could Improve His Standing With Americans +Nntp-Posting-Host: solomon.technet.sg +Lines: 38 + + + +Top Ten Ways Slick Willie Could Improve His Standing With Americans + + + +10. Institute a national sales tax to pay for the socialization of + America's health care resources. + +9. Declare war on Serbia. Reenact the draft. + +8. Stimulate the economy with massive income transfers to Democtratic + constituencies. + +7. Appoint an unrepetent socialist like Mario Cuomo to the Suprmeme Court. + +6. Focus like a laser beam on gays in the military. + +5. Put Hillary in charge of the Ministry of Truth and move Stephanopoulos + over to socialzed health care. + +4. Balance the budget through confiscatory taxation. + +3. Remind everyone, again, how despite the Democrats holding the + Presidency, the majority of seats in the House, and in the Senate, + the Republicans have still managed to block his tax-and-spend programs. + +2. Go back to England and get a refresher course in European Socialism. + +1. Resign, now! + + + +Copyright (c) Edward A. Ipser, Jr., 1993 + +Be sure to look for: +_Slick Willie's First Very Own Book of Top Ten Lists_ +Available soon in paperback. +";18;True +"From: gw18@prism.gatech.EDU (Greg Williams) +Subject: Re: Many people on one machine +Distribution: git +Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology +Lines: 23 + +In <93111.154952CDA90038@UCF1VM.BITNET> CDA90038@UCF1VM.BITNET (Mark Woodruff) writes: + +>I have several people sharing my machine and would like to set up separate +>environments under Windows for each of them. Is there some way of setting +>things up separate desktops/directories for each of them? Ideally, +>I'd like totally separate virtual machines. I'd be willing to settle for +>less, and may end up having batch files that copy .ini files around +>depending on who wants to use the machine. + +You could use DOS 6 to do this partly. You can set up different config.sys +and autoexec.bat commands for each user, and they just have to select their +menu option on bootup. Then you can have the autoexec.bat copy the win.ini +and system.ini files and change directories for them. When they exit windows, +it can copy back generic .ini files if you want. + +This is the only way I can think of. There may be some programs somewhere +that allow you to do this better, though using DOS 6 allows each person to +have a custom config.sys and autoexec.bat. +-- +Greg Williams +Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332 +uucp: ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!gw18 +Internet: gw18@prism.gatech.edu +";6;True +"From: cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) +Subject: Re: Lincoln & slavery (Re: Top Ten Tricks You Can Play on the American Voter) +Article-I.D.: optilink.15236 +Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA +Lines: 54 + +In article <1993Apr2.055109.5833@rigel.econ.uga.edu>, depken@rigel.econ.uga.edu (Craig Depken) writes: +> In article <1993Mar31.224355.21442@isc-br.isc-br.com> steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks) writes: +# #The argument that ""slavery was a dying institution"" was often made by +# ^^^ +# (IS) +# +# #historians, mainly Southerners, who sought to divert attention from the +# #institution as the central issue of the Civil War. In fact, however, +# #the argument is specious, at best. More recent scholarship from the +# #last 20-30 years demonstrates rather conclusively that the cotton/sugar/ +# #tobacco economy and its reliance on slavery was increasingly dominant in +# #the South prior to the Civil War. +# +# This is because the South did not receive the massive momentum of capital +# intensive growth that the Northern states did. Compare the Northern +# agricultural system with the Southern and you will see a major difference +# in the capital to labor intensity. + +Capital and labor are one and the same in a slave economy. Except that +capital doesn't reproduce quite as readily as slaves did. + +Slavery was a dying institution before the cotton gin, yes, but not +in 1850. + +# #It is true that cotton suffered from price depression in the 1840's - +# #the period used to claim that slavery would not have lasted in the +# #South. +# +# That is not the argument that I have heard. It would not have lasted because +# the growth in the North would not have been sustained for much longer without +# spilling over to the Southern states, i.e. Northern industry would have +# migrated capital to the Southern states, and with that would have come +# immigrant labor to the ports of the South, e.g. Charleston, Savannah, Mobile, +# New Orleans, etc. This would have put the breaks on the slave market and +# slavery would have been out-moded by the capital intensity of competing +# agriculturalists. Those that insisted on keeping slaves because of their +# ""Cruel Hearts and Hatred for Black People"" would have been driven out of +# business. Simple capital to labor ratio...read Michael Parkin _Microeconomics_ +# 2nd edition, and any other basic economics book. + +This assumes that the slave holder dominance over state governments +would not have caused the passage of laws to keep out capital from the +North. Since slave holders were prepared to do almost anything else +to destroy free markets in order to maintain slavery, I do not doubt +that they would have passed laws to cripple any serious competitive +threat. Thomas Sowell's _Market and Minorities_ argues that the +maintenance of slavery, and the costs it imposed on state and local +governments, discouraged not only capital formation, but also outside +capital investment in the Southern states. + +# Craig A. Depken, II +-- +Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer My opinions, all mine! +Relations between people to be by mutual consent, or not at all. +";18;True +"From: maler@vercors.imag.fr (Oded Maler) +Subject: Re: FLAME and a Jewish home in Palestine +Nntp-Posting-Host: pelvoux +Organization: IMAG, University of Grenoble, France +Lines: 40 + +In article , jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) writes: +|> In article <1993Apr13.172422.2407@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca> nabil@ariel.yorku.ca (Nabil Gangi) writes: +|> +|> >According to Exodus, there were 600,000 Jews that marched out of Egypt. +|> +|> This is only the number of adult males. The total number of Jewish +|> slaves leaving Egypt was much larger. +|> +|> >The number which could have arrived to the Holy Lands must have been +|> >substantially less ude to the harsh desert and the killings between the +|> >Jewish tribes on the way.. +|> > +|> >NABIL +|> +|> Typical Arabic thinking. If we are guilty of something, so is +|> everyone else. Unfortunately for you, Nabil, Jewish tribes are not +|> nearly as susceptible to the fratricidal murdering that is still so +|> common among Arabs in the Middle East. There were no "" killings +|> between the Jewish tribes on the way."" + +I don't like this comment about ""Typical"" thinking. You could state +your interpretation of Exodus without it. As I read Exodus I can see +a lot of killing there, which is painted by the author of the bible +in ideological/religious colors. The history in the desert can be seen +as an ethos of any nomadic people occupying a land. That's why I think +it is a great book with which descendants Arabs, Turks and Mongols can +unify as well. + + +|> Jake +|> -- +|> Jake Livni jake@bony1.bony.com Ten years from now, George Bush will +|> American-Occupied New York have replaced Jimmy Carter as the +|> My opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President. + +-- +=============================================================== +Oded Maler, LGI-IMAG, Bat D, B.P. 53x, 38041 Grenoble, France +Phone: 76635846 Fax: 76446675 e-mail: maler@imag.fr +=============================================================== +";15;True +"From: psgwe01@sdc.boeing.com (Gerald Edgar) +Subject: Re: help - how to construct home-built battery for 3rd grade sci report +Keywords: 3rd grade science report +Distribution: usa +Organization: Boeing Computer Services (ESP), Seattle, WA +Lines: 15 +Nntp-Posting-Host: crystal + +In making batteries you could use copper and zinc in an acid electrolyte. +Copper=copper wire (pennies are now mostly zinc if I recall correctly) +zinc= zinc strip (Hardware stores arround here (Seattle) sell this to prevent + moss buildup on the roof. An alternative would be to use a galvanized + (zinc coated) nail +electrolyte= lemon juice -> Citric acid is the active ingrediant(sp). + +Volta (late 18th century scientist) used a stack for his batteries- +copper disk, paper disk soaked in acid, zinc disk, copper disk, paper .... +they were advanced technology for the time. + +Gerald Edgar +gwe3409@atc.boeing.com +""The opinions expressed in this communication may not reflect those of my +employer"" +";11;True +"From: hans@cs.kuleuven.ac.be (Hans Baele) +Subject: conversion of pic format files to HPGL files +Nntp-Posting-Host: glasnost.cs.kuleuven.ac.be +Organization: Dept. Computerwetenschappen +Lines: 20 + +Hello, + +Can anybody help me with the conversion of pic format files +to HPGL files. The question is as follows: + +Is it possible to convert files that have been generated in the +pic preprocessor format into HPGL format, suitable for sending +to a plotter. The hardware involved is IBM RISC/6000 running AIX +3.2.3. How should this be done and what software is involved, +where is it available, what does it cost, what are the problems? + +Regards, + +Dani + +-------------------------------- +Cimad Consultants +Antwerp, Belgium +dani@cimad.be +-------------------------------- +";1;True +"From: thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) +Subject: Hate Crimes Laws +Article-I.D.: midway.1993Apr6.043935.27366 +Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu +Organization: University of Chicago +Lines: 40 + +In article <1993Apr5.050127.22304@news.acns.nwu.edu> dmeier@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Douglas Meier) writes: +>In article <1993Apr4.011042.24938@isc-br.isc-br.com> steveh@thor.isc-br.com +>(Steve Hendricks) writes: +>>In article <1993Apr3.211910.21908@news.acns.nwu.edu> +>>dmeier@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Douglas Meier) writes: +>>>... +>>>If someone beats up a homosexual, he should get charged for assault and +>>>battery. Why must we add gay bashing to the list? Isn't this a sort of +>>>double jeopardy? Or am I just being a fascist again? +>> +>>() To deter an epidemic of ""gay bashing"" that has not been deterred by +>> assault laws. +> +>So we ought to make beating up a homosexual more illegal than beating up a +>straight? + +And who's advocating that? Hate crimes laws are aimed at the motivations +of the acts. Just like premeditated homicide is treated stricter than +heat-of-passion homicide. + +>>() No, it is not ""double jeopardy."" A single act may lead to multiple +>> charges and multiple crimes. +> +>I think what you meant to say here was, ""With the current mutation of the US +>Constitution under the current police state, someone may be charged multiple +>times for one act if the victim in question is of the right shade."" A single +>act should never merit more than on charge. + +So if I set off a bomb in the World Trade Center, I can only be charged with +more than one murder, and not the other five deaths and extensive property +damage? After all, the bomb was a single act. + +>Douglas C. Meier | You can't play Electro-magnetic Golf + + +-- +ted frank | ""However Teel should have mentioned that though +thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu | his advice is legally sound, if you follow it +the u of c law school | you will probably wind up in jail."" +standard disclaimers | -- James Donald, in misc.legal +";18;True +"From: kilroy@gboro.rowan.edu (Dr Nancy's Sweetie) +Subject: Re: Food For Thought On Tyre +Summary: Another Inerrantist rewrites the Bible. +Keywords: Scripture, implication, prophesy, `Woof!' +Organization: Rowan College of New Jersey +Disclaimer: Brandy the WonderDog hopes his doghouse will be rebuilt. +Lines: 93 + + +There has been a lot of discussion about Tyre. In sum, Ezekiel prophesied +that the place would be mashed and never rebuilt; as there are a lot of +people living there, it would appear that Ezekiel was not literally correct. + +This doesn't bother me at all, because I understand the language Ezekiel used +differently than do so-called Biblical literalists. For example, it sometimes +happens that someone says ""My grandson is the cutest baby!"" and then turns +around and sees the granddaughter and says ""Oh! Isn't she the cutest thing!?"" + +This person is not literally claiming to have lined up all the babies in the +world according to cuteness and discovered his own grandchildren tied for +first. Rather, he is trying to express his emotions using words that are very +object-oriented. Because this example is one that is common to many people, +nobody misunderstands the intent of the statements; the Bible, however, is +often at the mercy of people who assume that everything within must be exactly +literally true. For those people, the existence of Tyre is a problem; for me, +it is not. + + +Turning to the latest person trying to defend Ezekiel, we read this from +John E King: + +> The prophesy clearly implies that people would still be living in the +> area[.] + +No, it implies nothing of the kind. If you had nothing but the prophecy from +Ezekiel, and you were told you interpret it literally, you would never say +""Oh, he means that there will be houses and businesses and plants and stuff +like that."" You would read ""I will make you a bare rock"" and ""You will never +be rebuilt"", and you'd conclude that Tyre would be a bare rock. The only way +to get from `fishing nets' to `houses and buildings and a medium-large +population' is if you KNOW that all that latter stuff is there. + +In other words, your answer means that Ezekiel misled everybody who read the +prophecy at the time it was written. There is no way that, given a literal +reading, they could read this passage and conclude ""medium-size city"". + +You seem to feel that ""Never be rebuilt"" means ""be rebuilt"" -- maybe so, but +it is hardly a `clear implication'. + + +Mr King also writes: + +> So far I've seen stated figurers ranging from 15,000 to 22,000. +> Let's assume the latter one is correct. By modern standards +> we are talking about a one-horse town. + +Well, no. That's only a bit less than the population of Annapolis, where I'm +from. You know, the Naval Acadamy, the state capital, George Washington +resigned his commission in the statehouse? Annapolis may not be New York, but +it's at least a two-horse town. + +But supposing 22,000 people is a ""small town"" -- it's still 22,000 people +MORE than Ezekiel predicted. + + +And you've said nothing about the other problem. In chapter 26, Ezekiel +predicts that Nebuchadnezzar will will destroy Tyre and loot all their +valuables. However, Nebuchadnezzar did NOT destroy Tyre, and in chapter 29 +Ezekiel even quotes God as saying ""he and his army got no reward from the +campaign he led against Tyre."" + +Let's ignore Alexander for a moment, and just pay attention to chapter 26. +Ezekiel says N. would destroy Tyre, and N. did NOT destroy Tyre. Ezekiel says +that N. would plunder their valuables, but N. did NOT plunder their valuables. + +Regardless of what you think about Tyre _now_, the fact is that N. died before +the place was destroyed. Ezekiel said N. was going to do it, and N. did not. + + * + +This post is, of course, pointless. Inerrantists have an amazing ability +to rewrite the Bible as needed to fit whatever they want it to say. + +For example, I expect Mr King to respond to the comments about Ezekiel 26 +by pulling some ""clear implications"" out of hat. + +When Ezekiel said that N. would ""demolish your towers"", that clearly implied +that the walls would still be standing so people would know where the towers +used to be. And when Ezekiel said that N. would ""demolish your fine houses +and throw your stones, timber and rubble into the sea"", that clearly implied +that N. would never set foot on the island. And when Ezekiel wrote that N. +would ""build a ramp up to your walls"", that clearly implies that N. would +spend 13 years stomping around on the mainland and never get close to the +walls. + +See? A few ""clear implications"" that are totally contrary to the text, and +you can reconcile anything you want. + + +Darren F Provine / kilroy@gboro.rowan.edu +""[Do] You know why I'm the enabler? Because you demand it!"" -- Cliff Claven +";19;True +"From: John.M.Chung@dartmouth.edu (John M. Chung) +Subject: PowerVision for PB's +Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH +Lines: 10 +X-Posted-From: InterNews 1.0b14@dartmouth.edu + +Hi, + +I'm in the market for an internal color video adaptor for my PB 145. I +was wondering if anyone has used the PowerVision adaptor made by +Mirror. If so, can you tell me how feel about the speed and +compatability of it? I might also be interested in other boards by +Envisio etc., so if you have such a board please e-mail your opinion of +it. Thanks in advance. + +John +";0;True +"From: zrdf01@trc.amoco.com (Rusty Foreman) +Subject: Re: 17"" Monitors +Reply-To: zrdf01@trc.amoco.com +Organization: Amoco Production Company, Tulsa Research +Lines: 11 + +Has anyone taken a look at the new ViewSonic 17? They claim 1280x1024 at 76Hz. +How does it compare with the T560i in terms of price, and quality of display? + + +|-----| Living on Tulsa time..... + | + | Rusty Foreman - - - - - - - - rforeman@trc.amoco.com + | Amoco Production Research {...uunet}!apctrc!zrdf01 + | P.O. Box 3385 phone: (918) 660-3488 + | Tulsa, OK 74102 fax: 918-660-4163 + +";5;True +"From: fsmlm2@acad3.alaska.edu (Rebelheart) +Subject: ALASKA CAR SHOW +News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41.UAC +Keywords: Car Show, Peninsula Cruisers, Kenai, Alaska +Nntp-Posting-Host: acad3.alaska.edu +Organization: R.E.B.E.L.H.E.A.R.T. +Lines: 32 + + PENINSULA CRUISERS THIRD ANNUAL AUTOFAIRE + +WHAT: CAR SHOW (FOR ANY AND ALL TYPES OF VEHICLES INCLUDING PEDAL CARS) +WHERE: KENAI MALL, KENAI, ALASKA +WHEN: MAY 14, 15, & 16, 1993 +WHO: PENINSULA CRUISERS CAR CLUB, KENAI, AK (907-283-4979) +WHY: PROCEEDS OF THIS EVENT TO BENEFIT THE COOPER LANDING AMBULANCE CORPS. + +GENERAL: THIS CAR SHOW IS OPEN TO ALL TYPES OF CARS, TRUCKS, MOTORCYCLES, + FACTORY AND MODIFIED, MILD TO WILD, ANTIQUE, SPECIAL INTERESTS, + RACE, DRAG, MUDDERS, HI-PO, OR JUST PLAIN UGLY :) + +THIS IS A FUN EVENT, INTENDED FOR THE OCCASSIONAL GEAR-HEAD TO THE MOST +SERIOUS GEAR-SLAMMER. WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE AS MANY ENTRANTS AS POSSIBLE, +BUT PLEASE CONTACT US FOR SPACE AVAILABILITY ( FIRST COME FIRST SERVE) + +P.S. ALL OUT OF TOWN ENTRANTS CAN STAY RIGHT NEXT DOOR AT THE + KENAI MERRIT INN FOR A SPECIAL RATE OF $60 A NIGHT + (SINGLE OR DOUBLE OCCUPANCY) CALL THE MERIT @ + 907-283-6131 + +IF YOU'D LIKE ANY FURTHER INFORMATION, YOU CAN CONTACT ME AT THE +ADDRESSES BELOW. + + Mel McKay----cant drive 55!!!!!!! & Rebelheart, a gorgeous 90 SuperCoupe +Remember ....55 saves lives, 110 saves twice as many :) +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- += Rebelheart | = += |""Too old for some things... = += #define BITNET | Too young to know = += #define E-MAIL | which things."" = +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= +";10;True +"From: mprc@troi.cc.rochester.edu (M. Price) +Subject: Re: phone number of wycliffe translators UK +Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York +Lines: 38 + +In mserv@mozart.cc.iup.edu (Mail Server) writes: +["">""= Mark, "">>""= mp] + +>> I'm concerned about a recent posting about WBT/SIL. I thought they'd +>>pretty much been denounced as a right-wing organization involved in +>>ideological manipulation and cultural interference + +>Good heavens, you mean my good friend Wes Collins, who took his wife and two +>small children into the jungles of Guatemala, despite dangers from primitive +>conditions and armed guerillas, so that the indigenous people groups their +>could have the Bible in their native languages--the young man who led Bible +>studies in our church, who daily demonstrated and declared his deep abiding +>faith in the Lord of Love--you mean he really was a sneaky imperialistic *SPY* + + I am sorry you find these charges amusing, Mark. I understand your +frustration though--it can be kind of scary to find your assumptions +challenged. Some of the specific cultural interference to which I refer +includes linguistic manipulation, for instance, their Tzotzil-Spanish +dictionary removed both Spanish and Tzotzil words for concepts which are +threatening to the ruling ideology, e.g., class, conquer, exploitation, +repression, revolution, and described words which can express +ideological concepts in examples like ""Boss--the boss is good. He treats +us well and pays us a good wage."" As some of my students would say, +""NOT!"" + Your tone implies that you are unlikely to believe me--indeed, why +should you? If you are interested enough to do some further research +though, and you sound as if you are, here are some references for you. + +Stoll, David. _Fishers of Men or Founders of Empire? The Wycliffe Bible +Translators in Latin America_. +_Sectas y Religiosidad en America Latina_. +_Los Angeles Times_, Dec. 11. 1977. +_Latin America Press_, May 19, 1983. +_Washington Times_, June 22, 1984. + + Happy hunting. + + mp +";17;True +"From: holmertz@ike.navo.navy.mil (Steve Holmertz) +Subject: Parametric EQ (Car) +Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-23809]: ike.navo.navy.mil +Keywords: EQ Audio Stereo +Organization: Naval Oceanographic Office +Lines: 16 + +HiFonics ""Ceres"" 3-Band Parametric Equalizer + +Specs: 3-Bands: 1. 40-640Hz; 2. 100Hz-3KHz; 3. 500Hz-16KHz + Boost/Cut: +/-20db + THD: Less than 0.02% + Size(WxHxD): 190mmx53mmx120mm + +This EQ has three variable bands as indicated above with +variable Q. It also has a subwoofer output with variable +cutoff frequency. I originally paid $129 for the unit and +used it for 3 months before selling the car. It is in +excellent condition with all the wiring and hardware intact +and manual in original box. Asking price: $75 + +holmertz@pops.navo.navy.mil + +";8;True +"From: b-clark@nwu.edu (Brian Clark) +Subject: Re: DSP or other cards for FFT's, anyone? +Nntp-Posting-Host: elvex33.acns.nwu.edu +Organization: Northwestern University +Lines: 16 + +In article <1qjnpi$bsj@nz12.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de>, +ig25@fg70.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (Thomas Koenig) wrote: +> +> We are doing heavy - duty image processing with some seriously +> underpowered Mac's (Mac IIsi, for example). Most of the CPU time is +> burned in doing FFT's. +> +> What cards are out there which would allow us to take away that part +> of the load from the CPU? Any DSP 56001 or i860 cards out there, +> for example? They'd have to be callable from Think Pascal, to +> replace the one - and two - dimensional FFT's routines in an already +> existing program. + +Check out the National Instruments NB-DSP2300. This uses the Texas +Instruments TMS320C30 chip, which is a true 32 bit floating point DSP. It's +pricey, however. +";0;True +"From: tracy@cs.ucf.edu (Tracy Rene Tolley) +Subject: HELP: xdm & Solaris2.1 +Summary: help with xdm & Solaris2.1 +Keywords: Solaris2.1 xdm +Organization: University of Central Florida +Distribution: comp +Lines: 7 + +I recently read here that Sun has a patch for xdm on +Solaris2.1. I was wondering if anyone could give me the +patch number. + +Thanks in advance, +Tracy Tolley +University of Central Florida - Technical Support +";12;True +"From: apanjabi@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu +Subject: Re: How to beat Pittsburgh! +Summary: Take out player +Distribution: world +Organization: Georgetown University +Lines: 42 + +In article , Robert Angelo Pleshar writes: +> +> NNTP-Posting-Host: po5.andrew.cmu.edu +> In-Reply-To: +> +> from Anna Matyas: +>>>Now if we could just clone Chelios's personality and transplant it +>>>into all of the defensemen on the Islanders, Capitals, and Devils... +>>> +>>>Gerald +>> +>>In other words, you want to turn them all into assholes so they +>>will spend lots of time in the penalty box and get lots of +>>misconducts? +>> +>>And this comes from a Chelios fan... +> +> Yeah, and also be second in the team in scoring and play about 35 +> minutes a game and play on the power play and kill penalties and be the +> best defenseman in the league. I'd take a whole team of Chelioses if I +> could. (That way, when one got a penalty the others could kill it!) +> +> Ralph + +>HOW TO BEAT PITTSBURGH??? + + I.Mario Lemieux + A.Death + 1.Too much Kimo + 2.Slash to skull + 3.Ask the Rangers (Slashing his wrist????) + II.Jaromir Jagr + A.Deportation + 1.Send him back to whatever Commie country + he's from + 2.Tell him that Bill Clinton is going too + III.Kevin Stevens + A.Fighting + 1.Call Bob Probert + 2.Call Tie Domi + 3.Call my grandmother (She'd kick his ass) + +";13;True +"From: brand@s1.gov (Hal R. Brand) +Subject: Request For Input: MultiSpin CD-ROM Drives +Organization: LLNL +Lines: 9 +Distribution: world +Reply-To: brand@s1.gov (Hal R. Brand) +NNTP-Posting-Host: s1.gov +Keywords: CD-ROM + + +I'm looking into getting an external, reasonably fast (<350 ms avg access time) +Multispin CD-ROM drive that supports ""Photo CD Multi Session"", has audio +output, and SCSI interface for connection to the PAS16 SCSI port. Does anyone +have any comments/experiences/warnings/recommendations they'd like to share +concerning the Texel DM-5024 and/or Toshiba TXM-3401E and/or others. THANKS! + + Hal R. Brand + brand@s1.gov +";5;True +"From: d88-jwa@hemul.nada.kth.se (Jon Wtte) +Subject: Re: Increasing the number of Serial ports +Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden +Lines: 29 +Nntp-Posting-Host: hemul.nada.kth.se + +In <1993Apr18.134943.16479@bmers95.bnr.ca> slang@bnr.ca (Steven Langlois) writes: + +>If such a device exists, are there are any limits to the number of +>serial devices I can use? + +How many NuBus slots do you have? + +Applied Engineering has something called the QuadraLink, which is +a card with 4 serial ports that you get at through the comms +toolbox (in addition to the built-in ones) It also comes with +software for fooling applications to open an AE port when they +think they open a built-in port. + +They also have a more expensive card with DMA (better performance) +and I _think_ they, or someone else, have a card that handles +8 ports simultaneously. + +As I said, with NuBus, you're green. Learn how to use the Comms +Resource Manager to get at the various installed cards. + +Cheers, + + / h+ + +-- + -- Jon W{tte, h+@nada.kth.se, Mac Hacker Deluxe -- + ""You NEVER hide the menu bar. You might go about and change the color + of it to the color of the BACKGROUND, but you never HIDE the menu bar."" + -- Tog +";0;True +"From: lusky@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Jonathan R. Lusky) +Subject: Kawasaki ZX-6 engine needed +Reply-To: lusky@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Jonathan R. Lusky) +Distribution: usa +Organization: UT SAE / Longhorn Racing Team +Lines: 14 +Originator: lusky@sylvester.cc.utexas.edu + +I'm looking for a 1990-91 Kawasaki ZX-6 engine. Just the engine, +no intake, exhaust, ignition, etc. Preferably in the central texas +area, but we haven't had much luck around here so we'll take whatever we +can get. Please reply via mail or call (512) 471-5399 if you have one +(or more... really need a spare). + +Thanx + +-- +--=< Jonathan Lusky ----- lusky@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu >=-- + \ ""Turbos are nice, but I'd rather be blown!"" / + \ 89 Jeep Wrangler - 258/for sale! / + \ 79 Rx-7 - 12A/Holley 4bbl / + \________67 Camaro RS - 350/4spd________/ +";7;True +"From: nagle@netcom.com (John Nagle) +Subject: Re: Gov't break-ins (Re: 60 minutes) +Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) +Lines: 9 + +aj336@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Pat Weber) writes: +>>Ever notice that people in these cases are always described by clever +>>handles such as ""eccentric"", ""religious wackos"", ""gun nuts"", ""cultists"", +>>""survivalists"", etc. so the general public will *not* identify with them? + + The San Jose Mercury News described him as ""a 61-year old retired +chemical engineer"". + + John Nagle +";3;True +"From: jim@n5ial.mythical.com (Jim Graham) +Subject: Re: Possible FAQ question about a UART +Organization: what, ME??? you must be joking. +Lines: 26 + +In article <1qjp2bINN815@fmsrl7.srl.ford.com> glang@slee01.srl.ford.com +(Gordon Lang) writes: + +>National Semiconductor. I don't know if other manufacturers make equivalent +>chips or not. Maybe National isn't even the original, but they are the only +>one that I know about. NS16450, NS16C450, NS16C451, NS16550AF, NS16C551, and +>NS16C552. + +no argument on going direct to National (see my previous post on this topic), +but some info regarding what you said above. I don't know about the 8250 or +16450, but NS was the original source for the 16550 series (and I strongly +suspect that they developed the others first, too). + +I can also tell you that I'm one of those who won't buy a UART made by +anyone other than National Semiconductor. + + --jim + +-- +#include 73 DE N5IAL (/4) +------------------------------------------------------------------------------ +INTERNET: jim@n5ial.mythical.com | j.graham@ieee.org ICBM: 30.23N 86.32W +AMATEUR RADIO: n5ial@w4zbb (Ft. Walton Beach, FL) AMTOR SELCAL: NIAL +------------------------------------------------------------------------------ +E-mail me for information about KAMterm (host mode for Kantronics TNCs). + +";5;True +"From: cpage@two-step.seas.upenn.edu (Carter C. Page) +Subject: Re: Prayer in Jesus' Name +Organization: University of Pennsylvania +Lines: 46 + +In article munns@cae.wisc.edu (Scott Munns) writes: +>Eventually, we got around to how +>we should pray in Jesus' name. Then, an excellent question came up, one +>that I don't have a real answer to. The question was, ""If we need to pray +>in Jesus' name, what about the people before Jesus? They prayed to God +>and he listened then, in spite of their sins. Why can't it be the same +>way now?"" + + ""And in that day you will ask Me no question. Truly, truly, I say to + you, if you shall ask the Father for anything, He will give it to you + in my name. Until now you have asked for nothing in My name; ask, and + you will receive, that your joy may be made full."" + -John 16:23-24 + +I don't believe that we necessarily have to say "" . . . In Christ's name. +Amen,"" for our prayers to be heard, but it glorifies the Son, when we +acknowledge that our prayer is made possible by Him. I believe that just as +those who were saved in the OT, could only be saved because Jesus would one day +reconcile God to man, He is the only reason their prayers would be heard by +God. + + For all of us have become like one who is unclean, + And all our righteous deeds are like a filthy garment; + And all of us wither like a leaf, + and our iniquities, like the wind, take us away. + -Isaiah 64:6, NAS + +Our prayers like the rest of our deeds are too unholy to go directly to the +Father because they are tainted by our sin. Only by washing these prayers with +Christ's blood are they worthy to be lifted to to the Father. + + ""First, I thank my God through Christ Jesus . . ."" + -Romans 1:8, NAS + +Some scholars believe that this is Paul recognizing that even his thanks are +too unholy for the Father. + Basically, prayer is a gift of grace, I believe that only through Jesus +do our prayers have any power; thus, praying in His name glorifies and praises +Jesus for this beautiful and powerful gift He has given us. + ++-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-= +Carter C. Page | Of happiness the crown and chiefest part is wisdom, +A Carpenter's Apprentice | and to hold God in awe. This is the law that, +cpage@seas.upenn.edu | seeing the stricken heart of pride brought down, + | we learn when we are old. -Adapted from Sophocles ++-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=+-=-+-=+-=-+=-+-=-+-=-+=-+-= +";17;True +"Subject: Re: Potvin's new goalie mask +From: caldwell8102@mtroyal.ab.ca +Organization: Mount Royal College, Calgary, Alberta +Lines: 24 + +In article , allan@cs.UAlberta.CA (Allan Sullivan) writes: +> slegge@kean.ucs.mun.ca writes: +> +>>I was wtahcing RIGHT GUARD HOCKEY WEEK on TSN yesterday and they had +>>a feature on this guy that does a lot (most?) of the masks for NHL +>>goalies. They talked about how they are made, what they are made of, +>>and the designs that are put on them, etc. +> +>>The best one of all was one he never talked about, he just held it up. +>>It has the current Leafs crest on the chin and an awesome looking +>>black panther on the forehead -- it *has* to be a new mask for Felix +>>Potvin, but he never said whose it was. +> +> Are you sure this program was current? I know that Grant Fuhr +> had a black panther on the forehead of his mask when he played with +> the Leafs. + +It would seem logical that the mask is Potvins. His nickname is ""The Cat"", +which would go a long ways towards explaining the panther. + +Of course, it could be an old story and the mask is Fuhrs, too..... + + Alan + +";13;True +"From: wex@cs.ulowell.edu (Paul M. Wexelblat) +Subject: Re: A question about 120VAC outlet wiring.. (the truth) +Keywords: outlet +Reply-To: wex@cs.ulowell.edu +Organization: Univ. of Lowell CS Dept. +Lines: 6 + +I suggest that misc.consumer.house is a better forum for this, several +electricians, a huge FAQ that adresses ALL the issues raised here. + +-- + + ...Wex +";11;True +"From: lazaro@pyuxf.cc.bellcore.com (lazaro,matthew) +Subject: Re: VHS movie for sale +Nntp-Posting-Host: pyuxf.cc.bellcore.com +Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ +Lines: 12 + +In article <1qvk1u$jnu@bigboote.WPI.EDU> martimer@jaguar.WPI.EDU (the random one...) writes: +>In article <1993Apr19.211400.1@hirama.hiram.edu> koutd@hirama.hiram.edu (DOUGLAS KOU) writes: +>>VHS movie for sale. +>> +>>Dance with Wovies ($12.00) +> ^^^^^^ what the hell ios a 'wovie' ?? (wovy (sp))?? +> +It's one of those animals you dance with. +But seriously, I saw this video for sale brand new at Palmer Video +for $9 + tx. I guess if I could resell them for $12 I would dance +like a Wovie. + +";8;True +"From: shread@ll.mit.edu ( Peter Shread) +Subject: El Sets +Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory +Distribution: us +Lines: 5 + +I am looking for a source of orbital element sets +other than UAF/Space Command. I believe there is +one on CompuServe. Please let me know what other +possible sources there are and how I can reach +them. Thanks much. +";2;True +"From: servis@author.ecn.purdue.edu (Brian K Servis) +Subject: Re: How Redirect PRINT MANAGER To FILE? +Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network +Lines: 33 + +u7911093@cc.nctu.edu.tw (""By SWH ) writes: + +>Who can tell me which program (PD or ShareWare) can redirect windows 3.1's +>output of printer manager to file? + +> I want to capture HP Laser Jet III's print output. + +> Though PostScript can setup print to file,but HP can't. + +> I use DOS's redirect program,but they can't work in windows. + +> Thankx for any help... +>-- +> Internet Address: u7911093@cc.nctu.edu.tw + +> English Name: Erik Wang +> Chinese Name: Wang Jyh-Shyang + +> National Chiao-Tung University,Taiwan,R.O.C. + +Try setting up another HPIII printer but when choosing what port to connect it +to choose FILE instead of like :LPT1. This will prompt you for a file name +everytime you print with that ""HPIII on FILE"" printer. Good Luck. + + +Brian Servis +=========================================================================== +|| servis@author.ecn.purdue.edu || ""It Happened This Way"" || +===================================|| actual quotes from insurance claims|| +|| What I say may not be what I || || +|| think. What I say may not be || ""The pedestrian had no idea which || +|| what Purdue thinks. || way to go, so I ran him over."" || +=========================================================================== +";6;True +"From: jwjohn@ecst.csuchico.edu (Jerry W. Johnson) +Subject: How to Transfer to Video Tape? +Organization: California State University, Chico +Lines: 11 +NNTP-Posting-Host: corpse.ecst.csuchico.edu + +Hi All, + I'm asking for info on behalf of a friend. Is there, what would +be, the best way to copy the output of a monitor on to video +tape? Any ideas? Please prescribe additional hardware and/or +software? (I'm just assuming an Intel/Windows environment). +Thanks in advance. --Jerry +-- + ||=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-|| Help Support DAM ||-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=|| + || Jerry W. Johnson || Struggling CSCI Grad Student || + || jwjohn@ecst.csuchico.edu || (Is There Any Other Kind?) || + ||=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-|| Mothers Against Dyslexia ||-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=|| +";6;True +"From: pebi@aem.umn.edu (Peter A. Bidian) +Subject: Re: Cache card for IIsi +Nntp-Posting-Host: zephyr.aem.umn.edu +Organization: University of Minnesota +Lines: 5 + +Hi, I bought a while ago a Cache Card w/ FPU from Techworks. It was 219$. +I think that was the cheapest I ever saw. + +Peter + +";0;True +"From: stanly@grok11.columbiasc.ncr.com (stanly) +Subject: Re: Elder Brother +Organization: NCR Corp., Columbia SC +Lines: 15 + +In article REXLEX@fnal.gov writes: +>In article shrum@hpfcso.fc.hp.com +>Matt. 22:9-14 'Go therefore to the main highways, and as many as you find +>there, invite to the wedding feast.'... + +>hmmmmmm. Sounds like your theology and Christ's are at odds. Which one am I +>to believe? + +In this parable, Jesus tells the parable of the wedding feast. ""The kingdom +of heaven is like unto a certain king which made a marriage for his son"". +So the wedding clothes were customary, and ""given"" to those who ""chose"" to +attend. This man ""refused"" to wear the clothes. The wedding clothes are +equalivant to the ""clothes of righteousness"". When Jesus died for our sins, +those ""clothes"" were then provided. Like that man, it is our decision to +put the clothes on. +";17;True +"From: ""Jack Previdi"" +Subject: Re: Printing +In-Reply-To: <1qk2m5$1up@agate.berkeley.edu> +Nntp-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 +Organization: Avoirdupois Institute +X-Mailer: PSILink-DOS (3.4) +Lines: 38 + +>DATE: 15 Apr 1993 16:32:05 GMT +>FROM: cozzlab@garnet.berkeley.edu +> +>In article <1993Apr15.053905.16811@sarah.albany.edu> me9574@albnyvms.bitnet writes: +> +>[advertises his printing business] +> +>Oh, dear. Let me be the first on my block. +> +>You have just violated one of the major shibboleths of the Usenet groups: + ^^^^^^^^^^^ + nit: Is he unable to type the first 'h' in this word? ;-) + +>you're not supposed to use a newsgroup to plug your own commercial +>enterprise (of _any_ kind; people frequently get flamed for announcing +>they've got a new book out.) +> +>I don't know whether this is an official Usenet rule or just a long- +>standing custom, and it doesn't make much difference from a practical +>point of view. + + + As a matter of fact D.J., it does make a difference. + Almost a half million new users joined the Internet last year, + many of them are commercial businesses. The ban on commercial + use of Internet is no more. + + One should have the breeding not to post commercial material + on an account provided by ones employer or school, unless the + provider of such account gives permission. (HA!) + + Those of us who pay for Internet access are constrained only + by our innate good taste and no have no ""administrator"" to + guide(?) us. + + Jack Previdi Veni, Vidi, Fece! + p00020@psilink.com + +";8;True +"From: pla@sktb.demon.co.uk (""Paul L. Allen"") +Subject: Re: Secret algorithm [Re: Clipper Chip and crypto key-escrow] +Reply-To: pla@sktb.demon.co.uk +Organization: Chaos +Lines: 76 +X-Newsreader: Archimedes ReadNews + +-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- + +In article pmetzger@snark.shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger) writes: + +> In article <1qnupd$jpm@news.intercon.com> amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker) writes: +> +> From: amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker) +> +> jhesse@netcom.com (John Hesse) writes: +> > Oh great. Wonderful news. Nobody can listen in--except the feds. +> +> Hey, it's better than the status quo. +> +> I am far less worried about ""the feds"" tapping my phone than high school +> scanner surfers who get their kicks out of eavesdropping on cellular and +> cordless phone calls. +> +> I'm a political dissident. I'm scared shitless of the feds listening +> in on my calls. My opinions are the sort that would get me +> ""disappeared"" in a slightly less free society -- and who knows what +> sort of society we will be in in five or ten years? I have friends who +> have had their phones tapped -- none of this is theoretical to me. +> +> As for ""its better than the status quo"", well, first of all, you can +> get a cryptophone from companies like Cylink today -- and they work +> well. In addition, a number of groups are now working on building +> software to turn any PC into a privacy enhanced phone right now -- and +> they are all working in overdrive mode. +> +> And yes, I'd rather just see all crypto restrictions lifted, but this is at +> least an incrememental improvement for certain applications... +> +> There ARE no crypto restrictions... yet. You can use anything you want +> RIGHT NOW. The point is to maintain that right. + +The point you all seem to have missed was covered when the UK cellphone +scrambling system was discussed. Incidentally, my MP has responded to +my questions on that issue, and it appears that the UK and other `approved' +countries will get the secure A5 encryption, and `dodgy' countries will +get A5X. Existing mobile equipment will drop to clear mode when used with +A5X systems, but newer equipment will use A5/A5X/clear depending on the +capabilities of the base station. + +The cops/feds do *not* need to be able to get hold of your private key to +listen in to cellular conversations. Encryption is not end-to-end, but +cellphone to base-station - it *has* to be this way so that cellular users +and fixed installations can talk to each other. For cellular to cellular +calls, the transmission is decrypted at the base-station, passed to another +base-station and re-encrypted. The cops/feds can listen to the unscrambled +call *provided* they get a warrant to tap into the cellular provider's +equipment. The only reason for wanting a crackable system is so they can +listen without having to obtain a warrant. + +But, maybe the Clipper system is secure, and they really do need a warrant +to get the key out of escrow before they can listen in using a scanner (see +above - they don't *have* to go down this route anyway). I have my doubts, +but even if true once they have the key they will *never* again need a +warrant to tap into that particular phone whenever they want. `Well, Judge, +it appears he wasn't a drug-dealer after all, so naturally we'll stop +listening in'... + +You have every reason to be scared shitless. Take a look at the records +of McCarthy, Hoover (J. Edgar, not the cleaner - though they both excelled at +sucking) and Nixon. + +- --Paul + +-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- +Version: 2.2 + +iQCVAgUBK9IAl2v14aSAK9PNAQEvxgQAoXrviAggvpVRDLWzCHbNQo6yHuNuj8my +cvPx2zVkhHjzkfs5lUW6z63rRwejvHxegV79EX4xzsssWVUzbLvyQUkGS08SZ2Eq +bLSuij9aFXalv5gJ4jB/hU40qvU6I7gKKrVgtLxEYpkvXFd+tFC4n9HovumvNRUc +ve5ZY8988pY= +=NOcG +-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- + +";16;True +"From: mpalmer@encore.com (Mike Palmer) +Subject: Re: Windows On A RAMDRIVE??? Help... +Organization: Encore Computer Corporation +Nntp-Posting-Host: sysgem1.encore.com +Lines: 31 + +f_langleyrh@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes: + + +>[...] Stuff del'd for bandwidth's sake. + +>Why? *sigh* If you don't have more than 16MBs of memory using a RAMDrive +>with windows is a _waste_ of memory. Windows will access upto 16MB RAM better +>as memory. As to why what you did didn't work, it is because driveletters +>and paths are stored inside the group/pif/ini files. All of the sudden things +>went from drive c: to drive e:! However, if you wanted to copy an application +>up to the RAMDrive and re-setup it up, that should work normally, but as +>previously stated, this will only hurt things unless you've got more than 16MBs +>of RAM and are using whats above 16 as the RAMDrive. + +>I personally have 20MB's of RAM and run a ~4MB RAMDrive with a great deal of +>success. However, if you are looking to speed up windows, the three things +>I've noted that work the best are: +> 1) A graphics accellerator card +> 2) A co-processor (Even an emulator helps!) +> 3) Some other disk-cache besides Smartdrive (I've tried several, +> and Lightning for Windows and Norton Cache give me major +> headaches as well.). + +I think the purpose the original poster was trying to serve is to avoid the +SIGNIFICANT amount of disk access that Windows does on startup. It's like +it's trying to it's bit in wearing the damn drive out. I estimate it's only +reading a Mb of programs & data, but from the performance the drive gives, it +sounds like they are scattered all over the drive (my drive is however +regularily compressed). What is it that takes so much fuss. Perhaps if MS +would take the trouble to optimize this startup process, less people would +be wanting to find a solution themselves. +";6;True +"Subject: Re: Cable TVI interference +From: ganter@ifi.unibas.ch (Robert Ganter) +Organization: Institut fuer Informatik +Nntp-Posting-Host: schroeder.ifi.unibas.ch +Lines: 56 + +In article <1qevrf$4t@hpscit.sc.hp.com> writes: +> +> As is typical nowadaze, you will probably have to do somebody else's job +> for them. Although this shouldn't be needed, you might take a few minutes +> to wander around the neighborhood with an HT sniffing for cable leakage +> on your freq. after shutting down your system for a while. +> +> If you are fortunate enough to the find the hole, call the cable company and +> get the highest link in the chain of command you can. Explain the problem, +> whose job it really is to maintain THEIR equipment, and how much of a nice +> guy you are to have tracked down THEIR problem for them. +> +> You may have been lucky and made a new contact that could be helpful in the +> future. +> +> You should always try the 'honey' approach before bringing out the +> Jack Nicholson impressions..... >:-) +> +> This has worked for me in the past with the power company when tring to +> find loose/noisy high voltage lines/hardware. Only once did I have to +> tell them I was narrowing the problem down to a specific pole by bumping +> a whole line of poles with my car. Got 'em out there THAT NIGHT. And, they +> didn't have to meet Jack! +> +> As a disclaimer, THEIR method for finding loose hardware was usually +> whacking the poles with a huge sledgehammer after their high tech arc- +> finding 'scope couldn't find the problem. +> +> +> +> Bill +> wb6 rotten zucchini garden + +Here in switzerland, the situation is exactly the same. The cable tv companies +even tried to stop amateur radio in switzerland in the beginning of cable +tv(they seem to be too stupid to know anything about international frequency +conferences or so). Even today, they use the cheapest possible coax running +into problems they can't solve anymore. As Bill noted, the only way is to look +for a solution with the neighbours *BEFORE* calling for the cable tv guys or +the fcc. The chance to find neighbours with some sense for reason is by far +bigger than with these people (especially the first ones). As anywhere in an +administration people don't like, if You tell them to work for the money they +get... +The problem is, that radio amateurs don't have the power to put trough their +rights in all cases. So let's hope they start soon with optical fibers and get +out of our freqencies. + + +Cheers Robert (HB9NBY) +-- +Robert Ganter /------------\ +Universitaet Basel | I am a fan | +Institut fuer Informatik | of my plan | +Basel/Switzerland \------------/ +ganter@ifi.unibas.ch +amateurradio: HB9NBY packet: HB9NBY@HB9EAS.CHE.EU +";11;True +"From: khan0095@nova.gmi.edu (Mohammad Razi Khan) +Subject: Re: Bible Unsuitable for New Christians +Organization: GMI Engineering&Management Institute, Flint, MI +Lines: 19 + +news@cbnewsk.att.com writes: + +>True. + +>Also read 2 Peter 3:16 + +>Peter warns that the scriptures are often hard to understand by those who +>are not learned on the subject. + +Where do insparations/Miracles fit in? I was a new reader to the bible +and Qu'ran at the same time in my life and I can tell you that I would +have drifted in my faith if Those books were not exposed to me. + + + +>Joe Moore +-- +Mohammad R. Khan / khan0095@nova.gmi.edu +After July '93, please send mail to mkhan@nyx.cs.du.edu +";17;True +"From: aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer) +Subject: Re: Alaska Pipeline and Space Station! +Organization: Evil Geniuses for a Better Tomorrow +Lines: 20 + +In article <1993Apr5.160550.7592@mksol.dseg.ti.com> mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes: + +>>Why can't the government just be a tennant? + +>I think this would be a great way to build it, but unfortunately +>current spending rules don't permit it to be workable. + +Actually, that is no longer true. In the last few years Congress has +ammended laws to provide whatever is needed. Note that both Spacehab +and Comet are funded this way. + +The problems aren't legal nor technical. The problem is NASA's culture. + + Allen + +-- ++---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +| Allen W. Sherzer | ""A great man is one who does nothing but leaves | +| aws@iti.org | nothing undone"" | ++----------------------71 DAYS TO FIRST FLIGHT OF DCX-----------------------+ +";2;True +"From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward) +Subject: Re: Protective gear +Organization: University College of Wales, Aberystwyth +Lines: 19 +Nntp-Posting-Host: 144.124.112.30 + + +In article <1993Apr3.200829.2207@galaxy.gov.bc.ca> bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca writes: +>In article , maven@eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes: +>> What protective gear is the most important? I've got a good helmet (shoei +>> rf200) and a good, thick jacket (leather gold) and a pair of really cheap +>> leather gloves... What should my next purchase be? Better gloves, boots, +>> leather pants, what? + +IF you can remember to tuck properly, the bits that are going to take most +punishment with the gear you have will probably be your feet, then hips and +knees. Get boots then trousers. The gloves come last, as long as you've the +self control to pull your arms in when you tuck. If not, get good gloves +first - Hands are VERY easily wrecked if you put one down to steady your +fall at 70mph!! The other bits heal easier. + +Once you are fully covered, you no longer tuck, just lie back and enjoy the +ride. + +Best of all, take a mean of all the contradictory answers you get. +";7;True +"From: guykuo@carson.u.washington.edu (Guy Kuo) +Subject: Re: Adding int. hard disk drive to IIcx +Organization: University of Washington +Lines: 15 +NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu +Keywords: Mac IIcx, internal, hard disk drive, SCSI + +Yes, it is possible to add a second hard drive to a mac IIcx internally. This +is definitely not a recommended procedure by Apple but I have done the equivalent to my CX after upgrading it to a Quadra 700. The power supply is still the +stock CX's and it was able to power two Quantum LPS drives, a PLI SCSI +accelerator, a Micron technologies 24 bit video board, Daystar QuickCache, +New Technologies Overdrive and 20 meg of RAM simultaneously. + +I added a new mount for the drive by attaching angle brackets to the drive +tower. The internal SCSI cable was changed to a longer flat ribbon cable onto +which I added an extra connector about midway. The final HD was internally +terminated and the drive between the motherboard and final HD had its terminator resistor packs removed. Cooling has not been a problem and no SCSI problems +occur with either the PLI SCSI chain or motherboard SCSI hooked into the two +internal hard drives. + +It works very well for me, but proceed cautiously if you wish to do the same. + +";0;True +"From: jartsu@hut.fi (Jartsu) +Subject: 512 kb VRAM SIMMs? +Nntp-Posting-Host: lk-hp-20.hut.fi +Reply-To: jartsu@vipunen.hut.fi +Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland +Lines: 12 + + +Hi there! + +Could some kind soul tell me what is the price of LC/IIvi/IIvx +compatible 512kb VRAM SIMMs in the US nowadays? The price over here +(Finland) is so ridiculously high (about $185 each in USD) that I +think it is worth the trouble to try to get them overseas. + +Thanks + +-- +Jartsu +";0;True +"From: jebright@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (James R Ebright) +Subject: Re: WH proposal from Police point of view +Nntp-Posting-Host: bottom.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu +Organization: The Ohio State University +Lines: 34 + +In article pmetzger@lehman.com writes: +> +>In article strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes: +> +> There has been extensive discussion in the eff forum, for example, about +> inadmissible taps being used to develop information that could then lead to +> admissible evidence. This might put a stop to such things, which must from +> time to time be simple fishing expeditions. +> +>Far more likely, these things will continue to be done no matter what +>assurances we are given. ""Key Escrow"" is likely going to prove to be a +>joke. + +I feel like Winston Churchill in 1941 :( ...... but, +the privacy Clipper will, TO THE EXTENT KEY ESCROW IS LEGITIMATE, stop +most of the abuse of wiretaps by local cops, company cops, angry husbands/ +wives, etc... It is going to be hard for the keystone cops, the +Proctor&Gamble cops, etc. to bypass even a product as flawed as the ClipJob. + +Now I admit, I am hard pressed to find anything else good to say about it +except that, if it actually takes off, someone will certainly come up with +a REAL crypto chip (pin compatable!) that we can buy... Unless, of course, +Big Brother makes it illegal to have real crypto 'cause good honest law +abiding citizens will be HAPPY to let the government listen to their +every word.... ""Me? Did I say THAT?"" + + ""I am not a crook."" - President Richard M. Nixon + ^^^^^^^^^ + +-- + Information farming at... For addr&phone: finger A/~~\A + THE Ohio State University jebright@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu ((0 0))____ + Jim Ebright e-mail: jre+@osu.edu \ / \ + (--)\ +";16;True +"From: gajarsky@pilot.njin.net (Bob Gajarsky - Hobokenite) +Subject: Re: My Belated Predictions (NL) +Article-I.D.: pilot.Apr.6.00.29.46.1993.26280 +Organization: Somewhere in Hoboken +Lines: 13 + +briefly, since i'm off to sleep. + +mle's work pretty well for AA nd AAA players. + +players who are 22 and younger will tend to have explosions + in their numbers, whether mMLE's or not, in the next 2 years... + +players who are 26 and OLDER, at those levels, generally have + inflated MLE's. + +they're about as reliable as having major league stats for a player. + + - bob gaj +";14;True +"From: tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran) +Subject: Re: Newsgroup Split +Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] +Lines: 19 + +Chris Herringshaw (tdawson@engin.umich.edu) wrote: +: Concerning the proposed newsgroup split, I personally am not in favor of +: doing this. I learn an awful lot about all aspects of graphics by reading +: this group, from code to hardware to algorithms. I just think making 5 +: different groups out of this is a wate, and will only result in a few posts +: a week per group. I kind of like the convenience of having one big forum +: for discussing all aspects of graphics. Anyone else feel this way? +: Just curious. + + +: Daemon + +What he said... + +-- + +TMC +(tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.ca) + +";1;True +"From: gerard@dps.co.UK (Gerard O'Driscoll) +Subject: Re: XWindows always opaque +Organization: The Internet +Lines: 16 +NNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu +To: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu + + +hess@swt1.informatik.uni-hamburg.de writes: + +>> I wonder if it is possible for a parent window to paint over the area of +>> its childs. If it is not, then how could it be possible to implement a +>> rubberband across multiple xwindows to select the objects that are +>> displayed one in each window? + +Use a GC with the subwindow_mode attribute set to IncludeInferiors. The +default is ClipByChildren. However, beware if any of the children are of +a different depth to the parent; the semantics of this are undefined by the +protocol. + + Gerard O'Driscoll (gerard.odriscoll@dps.co.uk) + Du Pont Pixel Systems Ltd. + +";12;True +"From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) +Subject: Re: Gaza and separation from Israel +Organization: The Department of Redundancy Department +Lines: 33 + +In article <1483500357@igc.apc.org> Center for Policy Research writes: + +>The Israeli Left's inability to cope with the challenges it is +>presented with by reality becomes obvious at those moments when +>the reality does not line up with the expectations of the left. We +>were able to see this clearly during the Gulf War. Because of the +>Palestinian's popular solidarity with Iraq, Yossi Sarid - +>currently Minister of the Environment - made his infamous +>statement: ""You look for me !"", i.e., I'am not making any more +>efforts to speak with you. From Yossi Sarid's point of view, +>Palestinian reality during the Gulf War was not the lengthy curfew +>or the danger of hunger it brought with it, but whether or not the +>Palestinians accepted what was acceptable to the party. Similarly +>MERETZ, MK Deddi Tzuker, recently faced with criticism from +>residents of the West Bank town of Beit Sahour over his +>government's and his party's lack of action for human rights and +>peace, responded by asking those present at the discussion whether +>they would rather have a Likud government. From the Leftists' +>perspective this is the best government because it is THEIR +>government, regardless of what it does. +> +>These members of the Israeli Left have already decided how the +>future of the Occupied Territories will look, and they want to +>dictate to the Palestinians how to get there. + +When someone starts criticizing the Leftists for not being Leftist +enough, we get a pretty clear idea of what they believe to be normal. +I hope that your not still calling yourself fair and unbiased, Elias. + +-- +Jake Livni jake@bony1.bony.com Ten years from now, George Bush will +American-Occupied New York have replaced Jimmy Carter as the +My opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President. +";15;True +"From: higgins@fnalf.fnal.gov (Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey) +Subject: Re: Science News article on Federal R&D +Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory +Lines: 24 +NNTP-Posting-Host: fnalf.fnal.gov + +In article , xrcjd@resolve.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles J. Divine) writes: +> Just a pointer to the article in the current Science News article +> on Federal R&D funding. +> +> Very briefly, all R&D is being shifted to gaining current +> competitive advantage from things like military and other work that +> does not have as much commercial utility. +> -- +> Chuck Divine + +Gulp. + +[Disclaimer: This opinion is mine and does not represent the views of +Fermilab, Universities Research Association, the Department of Energy, +or the 49th Ward Regular Science Fiction Organization.] + +-- + O~~* /_) ' / / /_/ ' , , ' ,_ _ \|/ + - ~ -~~~~~~~~~~~/_) / / / / / / (_) (_) / / / _\~~~~~~~~~~~zap! + / \ (_) (_) / | \ + | | Bill Higgins Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory + \ / Bitnet: HIGGINS@FNAL.BITNET + - - Internet: HIGGINS@FNAL.FNAL.GOV + ~ SPAN/Hepnet: 43011::HIGGINS +";2;True +"From: zorro@picasso.ocis.temple.edu (John Grabowski) +Subject: Re: Taurus/Sable rotor recall +Organization: Temple University +Lines: 23 +Nntp-Posting-Host: picasso.ocis.temple.edu +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] + +Antonio L. Balsamo (Save the wails) (balsamo@stargl.enet.dec.com) wrote: + +: From: OPDBS@vm.cc.latech.edu +: Subject: Taurus/Sable rotor recall + +: My '92 Taurus GL with only 26k on the clock also has rotor warp. +: Apparently they HAVEN'T fixed the problem yet. But try convincing the Ford +: service person to fix it for free...Right!!! + +: Tony + + +Gads, I have heard so many horror stories with Taurus and Sable cars! I thought +these were premium American automobiles. The way they sell, you'd think so. +Is Ford really no better than in the late '70s when it was turning out tin +cans like the Granada and the Fairmount? Which would you get, a Taurus or +a Camry or Accord? + + +John +zorro@picasso.ocis.temple.edu +zorro@astro.ocis.temple.edu +^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +";10;True +"From: sanjay@kin.lap.upenn.edu (Sanjay Sinha) +Subject: Re: New to Motorcycles... +Organization: University of Pennsylvania, Language Analysis Center +Lines: 18 +Nntp-Posting-Host: kin.lap.upenn.edu + +In article <13612@news.duke.edu> infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew Infante) writes: +:>Curtis JAckson pens... +:> +:>""MSF course...$140"" +: +:Shyah! +: +:The one here only costs $35! +: +:(Izzat a deal or what?! :) + + +They are free in Philadelphia.... :-) + +-- + '81 CB650 DoD #1224 + + I would give my right arm to be ambidextrous! +";7;True +"From: acooper@mac.cc.macalstr.edu +Subject: Idle questions for fellow atheists +Organization: Macalester College +Lines: 26 + + +I wonder how many atheists out there care to speculate on the face of the world +if atheists were the majority rather than the minority group of the population. +It is rather a ridiculous question in some ways, I know, but my newsreader is +down so I am not getting any new postings for a bit, so I figure I might as +well post something new myself. + +Also, how many atheists out there would actually take the stance and accor a +higher value to their way of thinking over the theistic way of thinking. The +typical selfish argument would be that both lines of thinking evolved from the +same inherent motivation, so one is not, intrinsically, different from the +other, qualitatively. But then again a measuring stick must be drawn +somewhere, and if we cannot assign value to a system of beliefs at its core, +than the only other alternative is to apply it to its periphery; ie, how it +expresses its own selfishness. + +Idle thoughts... + + +Adam + +******************************************************************************** +* Adam John Cooper ""Verily, often have I laughed at the weaklings * +* who thought themselves good simply because * +* acooper@macalstr.edu they had no claws."" * +******************************************************************************** +";9;True +"From: turpin@cs.utexas.edu (Russell Turpin) +Subject: Re: Great Post! (was Re: Candida (yeast) Bloom...) (VERY LONG) +Summary: How virtually? +Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin +Lines: 30 +NNTP-Posting-Host: im4u.cs.utexas.edu + +-*----- +In article noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring) writes: +>> ... if you can't observe or culture the yeast ""bloom"" in the +>> gut or sinus, then there's no way to diagnose or even recognize +>> the disease. And I know they realize that it is virtually +>> impossible to test for candida overbloom in any part of the body +>> that cannot be easily observed since candida is everywhere in +>> the body. + +In article geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes: +> You've just discovered one of the requirements for a good quack theory. +> Find something that no one can *disprove* and then write a book saying +> it is the cause of whatever. Since no one can disprove it, you can +> rake in the bucks for quite some time. + +I hope Gordon Banks did not mean to imply that notions such as +hard-to-see candida infections causing various problems should not +be investigated. Many researchers have made breakthroughs by +figuring out how to investigate things that were previously thought +""virtually impossible to test for."" + +Indeed, I would be surprised if ""candida overbloom"" were such a +phenomena. I would think that candida would produce signature +byproducts whose measure would then set a lower bound on the +extent of recent infection. I realize this might get quite +tricky and difficult, probably expensive, and likely inconvenient +or uncomfortable to the subjects, but that is not the same as +""virtually impossible."" + +Russell +";4;True +"From: irfan@davinci.ece.wisc.edu (Irfan Alan) +Subject: A TREATISE ON THE MIRACLES OF MUHAMMAD SAW, PART-1 +Organization: Univ. of Wisconsin-Madison; Electrical & Computer Engineering +Distribution: usa +Lines: 81 + +DROPLET VOL 1, No 11, Part 1 + +A D R O P L E T +From The Vast Ocean Of The Miraculous Qur'an + +Translations from the Arabic and Turkish Writings of +Bediuzzaman Said Nursi, The Risale-i Noor + +VOL 1, No 11, Part 1 +------------------------------------------------------------------ + + + NINETEENTH LETTER + + MU'JIZAT-I AHMEDIYE RISALESI +(A TREATISE ON THE MIRACLES OF MUHAMMAD SAW) +(SAW: PEACE AND BLESSINGS BE UPON HIM) + +In His Name (ALLAH) , Be He (ALLAH) Glorified! +There is Nothing But Glorifies His (ALLAH's) Praise. + +In The Name Of Allah, The Compassionate, The Merciful + + ""He is who has sent His Messenger with +guidance and the religion of truth to make it +supreme over all religion: and sufficient is Allah +as a Witness. Muhammad is the Messenger of +Allah, and those who are with him are firm +against the unbelievers and merciful among +each other. You will see them bowing and +prostrating themselves, seeking Allah's grace +and His pleasure. Their mark is on their face +the sing of prostrafion; this is their similitude in +the Torah and Indgil."" [the Our'an 48:28-29] + + Since the Nineteenth and Thirhy-first Words +concerning the mission of Muhammad (SAW) prove his +prophethood with decisive evidences, we assign the +verification of that subject to those Words. + As a supplement to them, we will merely show here +in Nineteen Signs, some of the flashes of that great +truth. + + FIRST SIGN: The Owner and Master of this universe +does everything with knowledge, disposes every affair +with wisdom, directs everything all-seeingly, treats +everything all-knowingly, and arranges in everything with +His will and wisdom such causes, purposes and uses that +are apparent to us. Since the One who creates knows, +surely the One who knows will speak, since He will +speak, surely He will speak to those who have +consciousness, thought, and speech. Since He will speak +to those who have thought, surely He will speak to +humankind, whose make-up and awareness are more +comprehensive of all conscious beings. Since He will +speak to humankind, surely He will speak to the most +perfect of mankind and those most worthy of address and +highest in morality, and who are qualified to guide +humanity; then He will certainly speak to Muhammad (SAW), +who, as friend and foe alike testify, is of the highest +character and morality, and who is obeyed by one fifth +of humanity, to whose spiritual rule half of the globe has +submitted, with the radiance of whose light has been +illumined the future of mankind for thirteen centuries, to +whom the believers, the luminous segment of humanity, +renew their oath of allegiance five times a day, for +whose happiness and peace they pray, for whom they call +down Allah's blessings and bear admiration and love in +their hearts. + + Certainly, He will speak to Muhammad (SAW), +and Indeed He has done so; He will make him the +Messenger, and Indeed He has done so; He will make +him the guide for the rest of humanity, and Indeed He +has done so. + +----------------------------------------------------------------- +To be continued In$a Allah. +Your Br. Irfan in Islam. + + +";19;True +"From: ron@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Ron Miller) +Subject: Re: Boston Gun Buy Back +Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA +Lines: 18 + +Re: More on Gun Buybacks + +The Denver buy back, trading guns for Denver Nuggets tickets was pretty much +a bust. Very few guns were turned in. The news tried to hype it but +when the best they could do was "".... including a loaded .38..."" well, +you get the picture. + +A side note- the news also reported that the guns would be checked for +whether or not they were stolen. STOLEN GUNS WILL BE RETURNED TO THEIR +OWNERS!!!!! (They say) + +(Does this have anything to do with the rally on the Capital steps yesterday + in support of the RKBA????) + +Even the rally made the 5 pm news on 3 channels :-) + + +Ron Miller +";3;True +"From: mpetro@brtph126.bnr.ca (Myron Petro P030) +Subject: Re: Boston Gun Buy Back +Organization: BNR Inc. RTP, NC +Lines: 17 + +>Ron Miller wrote: +>When you ask the question of the ""authorities"" or sponsors of buyback +>programs whether they will check for stolen weapons and they answer +>""no, it's total amnesty"". + (good point about registration schemes being used only for harassment deleted) + + I would also like to point out that this is receiving stolen property and is +no different than a pawn shop owner doing the same thing. + + + Myron Petro + NRA, USPSA + DVC y'all + ************************************************************************** + The opinions included in this post are my sole responsibility. + And are protected by the First Amendment and guarnteed by the + Second Amendment. +";3;True +"From: cudep@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Ian Dickinson) +Subject: Re: SVR4.x binary dists (was Re: RFD: to create comp.unix.sys5.univel) +Organization: Team Limpid's Meathead With Aptitude - Kunst und Wahnsinn +Lines: 21 +NNTP-Posting-Host: spatula.csv.warwick.ac.uk + +In article rick@digibd.digibd.com (Rick Richardson) writes: +>The other scary thing is that I ship libxcl.so with the 6 functions +>in it; how many other libxcl.so type libraries will be shipped by +>other vendors? Should I trademark the name libxcl.a? What if +>some clown uses that name and only puts 4 of the troublesome +>functions in it? + +Does USL SVR4 support LD_RUN_PATH a la Solaris 2? +Or an equivalent? + +If so, you can put the library in a package specific lib directory, +compile the app with LD_RUN_PATH defined, and all should work. + +Besides, I'd say name it libPACKAGExcl.a if possible. + +Cheers, +-- +\/ato - Ian Dickinson - NIC handle: ID17 This article is dedicated to +vato@csv.warwick.ac.uk ...!uknet!warwick!vato those who disapprove but +/I=I/S=Dickinson/OU=CSV/O=Warwick/PRMD=UK.AC/ADMD= /C=GB/ continue to +@c=GB@o=University of Warwick@ou=Computing Services@cn=Ian Dickinson read +";12;True +"From: jchen@wind.bellcore.com (Jason Chen) +Subject: Re: No-Haggle Deals...Save $$??? +Nntp-Posting-Host: wind.bellcore.com +Reply-To: jchen@ctt.bellcore.com +Organization: Bell Communications Research +Distribution: usa +Lines: 2 + +A local dealer is advertising ""No negotiation necessary!"" +Make you wonder... +";10;True +"From: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (Vesselin Bontchev) +Subject: Re: Clipper considered harmful +Reply-To: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de +Organization: Virus Test Center, University of Hamburg +Lines: 37 + +brad@optilink.COM (Brad Yearwood) writes: + +> Criminals who very badly want inscrutable tactical communications (specificall +> the terrorists and drug dealers who proponents of key escrow cite as threats) +> will be highly motivated to steal the cipher phone of a legitimate user, and +> to kill this person or hold them hostage so discovery of compromise of the +> device will be delayed. + +Why doing it in such a rough manner? It is much more professional to +steal the chip from the phone and even to replace it with a +pin-compatible do-nothing chip that does not encrypt at all. Chances +are that the victim will not notice anything, especially if it is done +professionally. + +> Once a suitable collection of devices is stolen, criminals can communicate +> with impunity (assuming the cipher system carries no trapdoors apart from +> key escrow) until and unless the compromise is discovered by some other means. + +No, because the Feds will still be able to decrypt the conversations. +True, they'll blame the wrong guys, but nevertheless one cannot say +something like ""The drugs arrive tommorrow on the ship 'Terminus'"" +when the Feds are listening, even if they cannot identify who the +speaker is. + +No, the criminals will just use some secure encryption. The new +proposal does not stop criminals; it ensures that the government will +be able to wiretap the average citizen and stops the casual snooper. +To me, it also clearly looks as a step towards outlawing any other +strong encryption devices. + +Regards, +Vesselin +-- +Vesselin Vladimirov Bontchev Virus Test Center, University of Hamburg +Tel.:+49-40-54715-224, Fax: +49-40-54715-226 Fachbereich Informatik - AGN +< PGP 2.2 public key available on request. > Vogt-Koelln-Strasse 30, rm. 107 C +e-mail: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de D-2000 Hamburg 54, Germany +";16;True +"From: roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) +Subject: Re: BATF/FBI Murders Almost Everyone in Waco Today! 4/19 +Nntp-Posting-Host: chopin.udel.edu +Organization: University of Delaware +Lines: 90 + +In article <1r21g2INNeah@clem.handheld.com> jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) writes: +>In article roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) +>writes: +>> In article <1993Apr20.163730.16128@guinness.idbsu.edu> betz@gozer.idbsu.edu +>(Andrew Betz) writes: +>> >In article roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) +>writes: +>> >>And I suppose the FBI also prevented them from coming out with their +>> >>hands up while national tv cameras watch. +>> >> +>> >Watch from where? Two miles away? Far enough away that whatever +>> >really happenned must be explained through the vengeful filter of +>> >a humiliated agency that said (quote!) ""Enough is enough."" +>> +>> Please tell me what you think would have happened had the people +>> come out with their hands up several weeks ago. +>> +>It didn't happen. + +And who is responsible for it not happening? +Certainly not the children. Koresh was calling the shots. He was +talking with his lawyer and the FBI. Since others were released safely, +there is no sane reason for keeping the children inside the compound. + +>> >>scenario that is simplest and most plausible. I do not generally +>> >>believe in conspiracy theories that involve complicated and unlikely +>> >>scenarios. +>> > +>> >The FBI sent letters to Martin Luther King's wife insinuating +>> >that MLK was having an affair! Again, please tell us exactly +>> >how much you trust our supposedly benevolent government. +>> +>> More than someone who would not release children from the compound. +>> +>Obviously. You are an authority worshiper. + +Not at all. Are you a Koresh worshiper? + +>> I.e., more than David Koresh/Vernon Howell/""Jesus Christ"". +>> I saw lengthy excerpts from an Australian documentary made in +>> 1992 that clearly showed that this was a cult. +> +>Give me a camera, and time with you, and I can present excerpts that show you +>to be a cult leader. Guarenteed. + +Thanks for my laugh of the day! Definitely a very silly supposition. + +>You should at least view the whole +>documentary before you claim it as a source. + +I would if I could. The news show that showed the lengthy excerpts also +had interviews with the filmmaker who made the documentary who basically +confirmed what was shown in the excerpts from the time he spent at the +compound in 1992. + +>> I am not pleased with the BATF handling of the affair. I think they +>> bungled it badly from the start. But I don't think they are +>> responsible for the fire, which started in two different places. +> +>Two places, eh? You saw this? Or did the wonderful FBI tell you this? +>I saw one place. + +I believe that this was reported by local radio reporters on site. +A fire started in a three story tower at the same time as the two +story window shown on the tv coverage. + +>> >>The BATF is by no means devoid of fault in the handling of this affair. +>> >>But to suggest that they may have intentionally started the fire is +>> >>ludicrous. +>> > +>> >I suspect that there were plenty of camerapeople willing to +>> >risk small arms fire to get some good footage. These people +>> >were told to get the hell out of camera range. Why? +> +>Couldn't answer this one, eh? This is the most important question of all, it +>is the root cause of all the other suspicion. + +I thought about mentioning how Reagan and the military treated the press +in Grenada and how that set the precedent, but decided it wasn't worthy +of discussion. If the news reporter got shot, you can bet his family +would sue the government for letting him into the danger area. + +The root cause of suspicion in my mind is why 100 people wouldn't flee +a building that had numerous exits during the 30 minutes time it took +to burn down. Or why didn't they flee hours earlier when the tear gas was +first introduced? I can find no rational explanation for their behavior. + +-- + + +";3;True +"From: cr097@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David Matusow) +Subject: Large Color Monitors +Article-I.D.: usenet.1pshdc$md8 +Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) +Lines: 11 +NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu + + +Does anyone have any information/advice on large color monitors +(17""-21"") to use with a 486 system running X server software? +I maining looking for quality information and price, but all +information is welcomed. + +Thanks, +David +-- +""It's all ball bearings!"" + -- Fletch +";12;True +"From: baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) +Subject: Iapetus/Saturn Eclipse +Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory +Lines: 79 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov +News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 + +Forwarded from John Spencer (spencer@lowell.edu): + +There will be two eclipses of Iapetus by Saturn and its +rings, in May and July. Please spread the word! Here's some +information about the events, and then a couple of messages from Jay +Goguen of JPL appealing for thermal observations of the eclipse to +learn more about the thermal properties of Iapetus. He might also have +some money available... + +John Spencer, 1993/04/21 + +Iapetus will be eclipsed by the shadows of Saturn's rings and Saturn +itself on 1993/05/01-02 (18:27-13:43 UT) and again on 1993/07/20-21, +(21:16-09:38 UT). Timing is as follows; + + 1993 May 1-2 + + A-ring ingress 18:27 + egress 19:30 + B-ring ingress 19:51 + egress 21:42 + C-ring egress 23:00 + Saturn ingress 23:59 + egress 10:02 + B-ring ingress 10:28 + egress 12:19 + A-ring ingress 12:40 + egress 13:43 + + 1993 July 20-21 + + Saturn ingress 21:16 + egress 05:08 + A-ring ingress 05:13 (grazing) + egress 09:38 + +Times could be 30 minutes later according to an alternate ephemeris, +and photometric observations are important for refining Iapetus' +orbit. Because the Sun's size projected on the rings as seen from +Iapetus is 3100 km it's unlikely that we will learn anything new about +the rings themselves from the observations. See Soma (1992), Astronomy +and Astrophysics 265, L21-L24 for more details. Thanks to Andy Odell +of Northern Arizona University for bringing the events to my +attention. + +THERMAL OBSERVATIONS? + +Jay Goguen (jdg@scn5.Jpl.Nasa.Gov) writes: + + To me, the interesting thing to do would be thermal IR of the 20 July + disappearance into the shadow of the planet to measure thermal inertia, + etc. Unfortunately, the 21:30 UT of this event renders it inaccessible, + except from Russia. Even from Calar Alto, Saturn is rising through 3 + airmasses at 23:00 UT. Do you know anyone in Russia or Ukraine with + a big telescope and 10 um instrumentation that's looking for something + to do? I'd be willing to make a personal grant of >$100 for the data. + + Jay + +and again: + + please try to encourage anyone that can observe the iapetus planet + disappearance to do so at thermal wavelengths. My impression would + be that it's not an easy observation. Iapetus will be faint and + getting fainter in eclipse, so you'll need a big telescope that's a + good IR telescope and reasonable 10 - 20 um instrumentation. I don't + think that combination is widely available at the longitudes that are + well placed for observation. We need SOFIA for this one. One + possibility would be the IR telescope in India, but it's only a 1.2 m. + +jay + + ___ _____ ___ + /_ /| /____/ \ /_ /| Ron Baalke | baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov + | | | | __ \ /| | | | Jet Propulsion Lab | + ___| | | | |__) |/ | | |__ M/S 525-3684 Telos | The aweto from New Zealand +/___| | | | ___/ | |/__ /| Pasadena, CA 91109 | is part caterpillar and +|_____|/ |_|/ |_____|/ | part vegetable. + +";2;True +"From: kaldis@romulus.rutgers.edu (Theodore A. Kaldis) +Subject: Re: How many homosexuals are there? +Distribution: usa +Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. +Lines: 7 + +Perhaps 1%, but most likely not more than 2%. A new study +(discrediting Kinsey) says so. +-- + The views expressed herein are | Theodore A. Kaldis + my own only. Do you seriously | kaldis@remus.rutgers.edu + believe that a major university | {...}!rutgers!remus.rutgers.edu!kaldis + as this would hold such views??? | +";18;True +"From: atterlep@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Cardinal Ximenez) +Subject: Re: A question that has bee bothering me. +Organization: National Association for the Disorganized +Lines: 29 + +wquinnan@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Malcusco) writes: + +> My problem with Science is that often it allows us to +>assume we know what is best for ourselves. God endowed us +>with the ability to produce life through sexual relations, +>for example, but He did not make that availible to everyone. +>Does that mean that if Science can over-ride God's decision +>through alterations, that God wills for us to have the power +>to decide who should and should not be able to have +>children? Should men be allowed to have babies, if that +>is made possible. + + In a word, yes. I don't believe that physical knowledge has a great deal of +impact on the power of God. In the past, God gave us the ability to create +life through sexual relations. Now, he is giving us the ability to create life +through in vitro fertilization. The difference between the two is merely +cosmetic, and even if we gain the ability to create universes we won't begin to +approach the glory of God. + The power we are being given is a test, and I am sure that in many cases we +will use our new abilities unwisely. But, people have been using sexuality +unwisely for millenia and I haven't heard an outcry to abolish it yet! + No matter how far we extend our dominion over the physical world, we aren't +impinging on God's power. It's only when we attempt to gain control of the +spiritual world, those things that can't be approached through science and +logic, that we begin to interfere with God. + +Alan Terlep ""...and the scorpion says, 'it's +Oakland University, Rochester, MI in my nature.'"" +atterlep@vela.acs.oakland.edu +";17;True +"From: VEAL@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) +Subject: Re: re: fillibuster +Lines: 323 +Organization: University of Tennessee Computing Center + +In article hallam@dscomsa.desy.de (Phill Hallam-Baker) writes: +> +>In article <1993Apr15.213436.1164@martha.utcc.utk.edu>, PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) writes: +> +>|>In article hallam@dscomsa.desy.de (Phill Hallam-Baker) writes: +>|>> +>|>>In article <1993Apr12.002302.5262@martha.utcc.utk.edu>, PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) writes: +>|>> +>|>>Well yes and no. The Federalist papers are propaganda and it is therefore +>|>>difficult to determine precisely what Maddison etc were up to from them. +>|> +>|> There are a couple of ways to look at them. One is, ""We want +>|>you to support this Constitution, so we'll say anything that we think +>|>will appeal to you,"" or the more straightforward, ""This is why we think +>|>what we've suggested in this Constitution is a good idea."" +>|> +>|> You clearly consider the former to be the primary situation. +> +>The point is that they did not make pains to point out where the consitution +>may have been aginst the new yorker's interests. Also they did not want +>to raise opposition by basing their advocacy on unpopular principles. + + Horrors, appealing to popular principles. Can we perhaps as the +question of whether the Constitution might have been written to appeal +to the principles, rather than, as you appear to believe, it was written +with something else in mind and ""propoganda"" put out by its supporters. + + But let's be honest about something, here. When was the last time +you brought up all the valid points against your own arguments? + + Or are they simply propogranda? We can't know what Phill *really* +means because he's obviously using arguments designed to convince. + +>|> Well, I know Hamilton was a dyed in the wool monarchist, and +>|>probably the authoritarian extreme to Jefferson's democratic impules. +>|>But what would you suggest as a means of determining their opinions +>|>on the government if we don't consider what they wrote about the +>|>government? +> +>I don't propose that any means exists for determining their true opinions. +>Thus their true opinions died with them and are of little help today. +> +>Their opinions have not the slightest bearing on the matter though, only their +>arguments. These are true or false regardless of who said them or why. + + If they're true or false, regardles of why they were said, why +on earth did you make a point of calling them ""propogranda?"" That +would seem to be irrelevent. + +>The +>difficulty that most US posters seem to have is in considering that their +>arguments may have been flawed or no longer apply to modern societies. + + Oh, I have no argument with questioning them. I don't believe +they no longer apply, but that's because I think most of them were +good arguments. I'm not entirely happy about the situation, because +they were obviously only applied to a minority of the time, but I don't +think that alone is sufficient to invalidate them. + +>If they were alive today the one opinion we could count upon these men to +>express is that a careful study of the mechanisms of government is necessary +>and that an ongoing improvement of the same is required. They gave their +>opinions in certain areas and have been proved right. In other areas they +>got it wrong. They ensured that there was a mechanism to adapt and improve +>the consititution. this can only happen if there is a willingness to accept that +>the structural problems within the US political system may require +>constitutional change as a solution. + + Since the U.S. constitution is the basis for the U.S. political +system, most changes in it would require Constitutional change. In this +particular case, however the fillibuster is a matter of procedure +and tradition. It only *should* have been made part of the Constitution. :-) + +>|> If the Senate was less powerful than the House of Lords, than +>|>we'd almost have to state that the House of Representatives was also. +>|>(In fact, they both were, because the British government had much +>|>greater power than did the American system). +> +>In principle no, in practice yes. + + In principle no? That they had less power of that they should have +had less power? + +>The British government today is theoreticaly +>dependent on the will of the Monarch. By convention any monarch seeking to +>exercise that power is deposed. The subtly is that the Prime Minister is +>not able to identify their politics with the national interest in the same +>manner that US Presidents regularly do. + + Phill, we're discusing the power of legislative houses. While +the Prime Minister *is* member of Parliament, he is more analgous (although +badly) to the U.S. President. + + Now, please explain to me how the U.S. House of Representatives +is ""in principle"" more powerful than the House of Lords (or the Senate) +but in practice is less. Are you suggesting that the writers of the +Constitution *really* intended for them to be more powerful, but gosh +darn the thing was ratified before they realized they'd forgotten to put +those extra restrictions on the Senate in? + +>|> I disagree. The system is not too slow, it was simply designed to +>|>handle less than it has demanded that it handle. As somebody in Washington +>|>put it (whose name I forget), ""Congress has become everybody's city +>|>council."" +> +>One reason for that is that at every level the government is rendered unable +>to come to decisions. These decisions are pushed up to the next higher level +>instead. + + Not at all. As any entry level political science course will tell +you, people who want laws implemented will always choose the level of +government to ""attack"" which presents them with the best chance of +getting what they want. With national ""interest groups"" it is simply +a very rational thing to do to want the Federal government to enact a +law rather than the states. Less people to persuade, and less +""contributions"" to make. + + Why do those concerned about abortion primarily concentrate at +the Federal level? Simply because if they win that battle all the little +state battlefields are won by extension. The same extends to insurance, +medicine, and most other questions. + + Local government has not ""failed"" in that it hasn't done what it +should, but that it is dominated by local interests. Thus non-local +interests who want localities to abide by their rules can't get their +rules past the local government. Thus, since they've got more clout, +only in the wrong place, they appeal to the next higher level because +it can impose its will on the lower. + + I mean, let's get real here. Do we *really* need the Congres +of the United States deciding that x traffice light should be on thus- +and such pattern? Or that *carjacking* needs to be a federal as opposed +to a local crime? + + The more people want the more Congress will take power to ""sell"" +it to them for their votes. I don't think the rise of ""special interests"" +is coincidence with the increased power of Congress. + +>|> Congress is more than capable of quick action, and has more than +>|>enough power and time on its hands, if it confined itself to what its +>|>original jurisidiction was and allowed more local autonomy. +> +>If they were to start from a social welfare model instead of the current +>""no state subsidy motto"" they would be better placed. As it is there is +>plenty of state money being handed out. The problem is that it is +>distributed on the basis of power in congress and not on the basis of +>actual need. + + Bingo. The higher up the governmental ladder the less actual +need matters, because political power can be concentrated at higher +levels, while people with less cloud only find themselves reduced to +in effectiveness. + +>In order to set up a school project in New York state you have to pay off the +>other 49 states with pork - defense contracts, agricultural subsidies etc. +>Or to be precise 30 of the states since you need 60 to beat the filibuster. + + Then why not simply leave New York's education to New York? I +remain unconcinved that there is any state in the Union which is not capable +of educating its own children if that's what they want to do. And if +you leave it to them, you only have to worry about the ""pork"" in that +state. And since industries can't concentrate their political power +and wealth, rather they must divide it among the states to try and get +what they want, individual voices have more relative impact. + + The problem with the fillibuster is not that you must ""buy off"" +states, but that the Congress has acquired too much power to sell pork. + +>|> It is not a case of the system of government they created failing, +>|>but that it is operating under a set of conditions they specifically +>|>wanted to avoid. Namely, a concentration of power. It would seem +>|>then that the proper thing to do is not to reduce the power of either +>|>House in some attempt to grease the wheels. All you'll get then is +>|>a system which moves quicker to do stupid things. It would make more +>|>sense to make more decisions at a local level. +> +>No, you have to break the machine free of seizure before you can redirect it. + + But why on earth should we want to redirect it? You said yourself +that you have to sell pork to get things through Congress. If Congres +has less authority to sell pork and retains its authority to enact +national legislation within its granted jurisdiction, the pork problem +is significantly reduced. + +>The current blocks on power simply absolve congress of any responsibility +>to come to a decision. + + The current blocks essentially state that inaction is preferable +to action, thus it the system is weighted against action. Considering +the government the usually the institution with the sole power to +enforce its decisions by force, I consider bias against making those +decisions a good thing. + +>Pushing the decisions lower in the pyramid won't +>work unless the lower levels are less corrupt. In most cases they are worse, +>not better. + + The difference with the lower pyramid is that a) they have +more legal, legitimate authority in most matters under our Constitution +than the federal government, and b) at those lower levels power is +harder to concentrate. And c) you get the benefit of not imposing +new deicisons on everybody at once. You get to see them tried out +without a national decision. Congressional action usually treats the +entire country as a whole, yet even with similar problems in different +areas, different solutions may be called for. + + And while I often don't agree with the decisions my local +and state reps make, at least I have a better option of going to +the city council and shooting my mouth off. I'd much rather the +majority of laws be made by accessible people who hang around and end +up having to put up with them rather than somebody far off in +Washington with half a million or more constituents. + + I'm curious what you base your assumption that lower levels +are more corrupt. + +>|> I fail to see where any restrictions, implied or otherwise, were +>|>placed on the veto. It could just as easily have been read as a means +>|>to put a check on democratically popular but unwise (in the executive's +>|>opinion) policies. +> +>Since we were arguing from the Federalist papers I would point to them. + + Phill, *you* brought up the Federalist papers. We were +arguing the fillibuster and whether or not a minority of Senators +should be allowed to hold up a bill. You claimed the Senate was +suppose to be a far less powerful House, and I contended there was +nothing in the Constitution or other writings which indicated this. +Which was when you brought up that we can't decide what the founders +wanted based on the Federalist papers. You argued against them, +I never argued from them. I have primarily referred to the Constitution, +which places only very small restrictions on the Senate than for +the House. + +>The +>US constitution gives almost no reasoning as to how it should work. The +>only part where a reason is given is the right to bear arms ammendment where +>the well regulated militia justification is ambiguous. + + The U.S. Constitution is a nuts-and-bolts document. The Delcaration +of Independence was the high-brow reasoning. (There are a couple of other +examples, though, such as the reasoning for the power to tax, and the +reasoning for the power to grant permits, both in Article I, Section 8.) + +>That the veto was meant to be an exceptional measure follows from the +>fact of the senate. If the President was meant to revise legislation then +>there would be three chambers of the legislature, not two. Furthermore +>the separation of powers would have been much less distinct. + + To a certain extend I do believe the veto has become something +it wasn't intended. However, I also believe it is inevitable considering +the Congress' own abuse of their power to make bills say whatever they +want them to say. Unlike most people I think we shouldn't be worrying +about the veto, which is fine, but of the problem in Congress which +almost necessitates its abuse. + +>|> There is no limit in the Constitution to the President's veto power +>|>regarding what a bill is for. Previous Presidents have used the veto +>|>for any number of reasons, most usually having something to do with their +>|>agenda. I am really curious how you single Bush out as *the* President +>|>who abused vetos. +> +>He has the record for vetos. + + *BUSH?* Phill, that's absurd. Bush had *37* vetos, one of +which was over-ridden. Go read up on FDR if you think that's +anything resembling a record. + +>|> Why is it not a reasonable restriction? Because 51 Senators +>|>is the magic holy number upon which Laws must be based? If 41 Senators +>|>feel safe enough with their state constituencies to stand up and +>|>fillibuster isn't that *enough* to indicate there's a sufficient question +>|>as to whether a law is a good idea or not to re-evaluate it? +> +>Up to a point, the fact is though that when the majority are opposed by +>a minority the minority should not be allowed to win by default. + + Why not? What is inherently wrong with biasing the system +against action? Historically governemnt action in the U.S. when +dealing with issues with a bare minority and a large minority have +not been successful. When you're in a position of imposing federal +power on diverse people, why should the federal government not have to +got through something more than a bare majority + +>|> Why one earth *should* 51% be sufficient to enact a law which +>|>covers 250 million people in very, very diverse places and living +>|>in radically different conditions? Why *shouldn't* a super-majority +>|>be required? +> +>Because the bill at issue is a money bill relating to a short term proposal. + + Now we're switching from a general question of a fillibuster +to a specific bill. I don't see how it make a difference. + +>It is not a change in the law where a presupposition in favour of the +>status quo is arguable. + + Sure it's arguable. Theyr'e *arguing* it. However, requiring +60% to bring it to a vote ensures that they'll have to have a *good* +argument. Something that isn't based solely on party lines. + +>|> Any system in which the simple majority is given absolute power +>|>to ignore the minority then the minority *will* be ignored. I do not +>|>see this as a positive thing. And for all that I'm sure the Republicans +>|>are looking for pork as much as the Democrats, they've got some legitimate +>|>objections to the legislation in question. +> +>So instead you consider a system under which the minority automatically win +>to be superior? + + No, I am completely happy with a system which requires a minority +for *action*. Since U.S. history is a history of carving up population +groups and implementing piece-meal on minorities, I feel minorities +should have sufficent clout to prevent action they feel strongly enough +about. And 41% is hardly a tiny minority. I don't advocate the minority +being capable of initiating actionm but I see no problem with biasing +the *federal* system against action. + +------------------------------------------------------------------------ +David Veal Univ. of Tenn. Div. of Cont. Education Info. Services Group +PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu - ""I still remember the way you laughed, the day +your pushed me down the elevator shaft; I'm beginning to think you don't +love me anymore."" - ""Weird Al"" +";18;True +"From: amj@rsf.atd.ucar.edu (Anthony Michael Jivoin) +Subject: Re: Bosox win again! (the team record is 9-3) +Organization: National Center for Atmospheric Research +Lines: 31 + +In article , jxu@black.clarku.edu (Dark Wing Duck!!) writes: +|> Today, Frank Viola and rest of pitcher staff of Boston Red Sox shutout Chicago +|> White Sox 4-0. It is Red Sox 9th win of this season. +|> +|> So far, Red Sox won all the games Roger and Frank V. pitched (6-0) and 3-3 +|> when other three starters were pitching. Tomorrow, Dopson will pitch again +|> (have a good first start and rocky second start). I wonder that Bosox can +|> play over 500 ball without Roger and Frank V. +|> + +As long as the Yankees are in the same division the Red Sox will +play better than .500 baseball. + +Or the Red Sox can hire former East German swimming coaches to +""train"" them at the fine art of body ""building"". The Red Sox +can use Chinese women swimmers as a reference. + +With the ""HAWK"", the Red Sox definitely have a chance for the +east this year. He brings class, work ethic and leadership to +the park each day. And he has a burning desire to play in the +World Series. + +Future Hall-of-Famer, Andre Dawson will kick butt in Boston! + +from Rockies country, + +Anthony M. Jivoin +National Center for Atmospheric Research +RSF/ATD - FL1 +P.O. Box 3000 +Boulder, CO 80307 +";14;True +"From: sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) +Subject: Re: 14 Apr 93 God's Promise in 1 John 1: 7 +Organization: Cookamunga Tourist Bureau +Lines: 25 + +In article <1993Apr15.202729.6649@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu>, +brian@lpl.arizona.edu (Brian Ceccarelli 602/621-9615) wrote: +> Jesus gives more reasons in John 16:7. But one obvious reason +> why Jesus died, (and as with everything else, it has nothing do with +> his punishment) was that he could rise to life again--so that +> we would ""stop doubting and believe"" (John 21:27). The fact +> that Jesus rose from the dead is my hope that I too will rise +> from the dead. It is an obvious point. Do not overlook it. +> Without this obvious point, I would have no hope +> and my faith would be vanity. + +Glad to hear this, just a note, Osiris, Mithras and many other +cult gods resurrected as well, so there's a good chance for all of +us to maybe end up in a virtual reality simulator, and live forever, +hurrah! + +Sorry, this was a joke, some sort of one anyway. I'm the first +that connected Osiris with a virtual reality personality database. +Time to write a book. + + +Cheers, +Kent +--- +sandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net. +";19;True +"From: D.L.P.Li1@lut.ac.uk (DLP Li) +Subject: Re: CYRIX 486DLC-40 CPU +Reply-To: D.L.P.Li1@lut.ac.uk (DLP Li) +Organization: Loughborough University, UK. +Lines: 12 + +> 2) Anyone using this cpu, what is your impressions of the cpu performance, +> compatability? + + There is a benchmark program called COMPTEST said CYRIX CPUs have a bug +so they cannot run the program. Also may be NeXTSTEP 486? + + regards, + + Desmond Li + LUT, UK. + + +";5;True +"From: ndallen@r-node.hub.org (Nigel Allen) +Subject: WACO: Clinton press conference, part 2 +Organization: R-node Public Access Unix - 1 416 249 5366 +Lines: 99 + +Here is a press release from the White House. + + President Clinton's Remarks On Waco With Q/A + To: National Desk + Contact: White House Office of the Press Secretary, 202-456-2100 + + WASHINGTON, April 20 /U.S. Newswire/ -- Following are +remarks by President Clinton in a question and answer session +with the press (Part 2 of 2): + + Go ahead, Sarah. + + Q There are two questions I want to ask you. The +first is, I think that they knew very well that the children did not +have gas masks while the adults did, so the children had no chance +because this gas was very -- she said it was not lethal, but it was +very dangerous to the children and they could not have survived +without gas masks. And on February 28th -- let's go back -- didn't +those people have a right to practice their religion? + + THE PRESIDENT: They were not just practicing their +religion, they were -- the Treasury Department believed that they had +violated federal laws, any number of them. + + Q What federal laws -- + + THE PRESIDENT: Let me go back and answer -- I can't +answer the question about the gas masks, except to tell you that the +whole purpose of using the tear gas was that it had been tested; they +were convinced that it wouldn't kill either a child or an adult but +it would force anybody that breathed it to run outside. And one of +the things that I've heard -- I don't want to get into the details of +this because I don't know -- but one of the things that they were +speculating about today was that the wind was blowing so fast that +the windows might have been opened and some of the gas might have +escaped and that may be why it didn't have the desired effect. + + They also knew, Sarah, that there was an underground +compound -- a bus buried underground where the children could be +sent. And they were -- I think they were hoping very much that if +the children were not released immediately outside that the humane +thing would be done and that the children would be sent someplace +where they could be protected. + + In terms of the gas masks themselves, I learned +yesterday -- I did not ask this fact question before -- that the gas +was supposed to stay active in the compound longer than the gas masks +themselves were to work. So that it was thought that even if they +all had gas masks, that eventually the gas would force them out in a +nonviolent, nonshooting circumstance. + + MS. MYERS: Last question. + + Q Mr. President, why are you still saying that -- + + Q Could you tell us whether or not you ever asked +Janet Reno about the possibility of a mass suicide? And when you +learned about the actual fire and explosion what went through your +mind during those horrendous moments? + + THE PRESIDENT: What I asked Janet Reno is if they had +considered all the worse things that could happen. And she said -- +and, of course, the whole issue of suicide had been raised in the +public -- he had -- that had been debated anyway. And she said that +the people who were most knowledgeable about these kinds of issues +concluded that there was no greater risk of that now than there would +be tomorrow or the next day or the day after that or at anytime in +the future. That was the judgment they made. Whether they were +right or wrong, of course, we will never know. + + What happened when I saw the fire, when I saw the +building burning? I was sick. I felt terrible. And my immediate +concern was whether the children had gotten out and whether they were +escaping or whether they were inside, trying to burn themselves up. +That's the first thing I wanted to know. + + Thank you. + + Q Mr. President, why are you still saying it was a +Janet Reno decision? Isn't it, in the end, your decision? + + THE PRESIDENT: Well, what I'm saying is that I didn't +have a four- or five-hour, detailed briefing from the FBI. I didn't +go over every strategic part of it. It is a decision for which I +take responsibility. I'm the President of the United States and I +signed off on the general decision and giving her the authority to +make the last call. When I talked to her on Sunday, some time had +elapsed. She might have made a decision to change her mind. I said, +if you decide to go forward with this tomorrow, I will support you. +And I do support her. + + She is not ultimately responsible to the American +people; I am. But I think she has conducted her duties in an +appropriate fashion and she has dealt with this situation I think as +well as she could have. + + Thank you. (Applause.) + + -30- +";3;True +"From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) +Subject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!! +Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc. +Lines: 22 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: rocket.sw.stratus.com +Keywords: Nata thing !! + +In article <1993Apr20.143255.12711@mcs.kent.edu>, mhamilto@Nimitz.mcs.kent.edu (The Lawnmowerman) writes: + +> > THIS IS GENOCIDAL MASS-SLAUGHTER OF INNOCENT PEOPLE, INCLUDING CHILDREN! + +> Is this guy serious???? + +> If he would ever really pay attention to the news (oops I forgot that the media +> for the most part loves to jump right on top of a story before all the facts +> are known, as well as to manipulate what we see and thus what we believe). + +> Besides, a majority of +> these children were children that he was supposed to have been the father of, +> this then makes them bastard children to a sacraligious zeloit (sp). + +Oh, then, I guess that shooting THOSE kind of babies is all right. + +You sick bastard. +-- + +cdt@rocket.sw.stratus.com --If you believe that I speak for my company, +OR cdt@vos.stratus.com write today for my special Investors' Packet... + +";3;True +"From: grahamt@phantom.gatech.edu (Graham E. Thomas) +Subject: SUPER MEGA AUTOMOBILE SIGHTING(s)!!!!! Exotics together! +Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology +Lines: 36 +NNTP-Posting-Host: oit.gatech.edu + +Alright, beat this automobile sighting. + +Driving along just a hair north of Atlanta, I noticed an old, run down +former car dealership which appeared to deal with, and repair, older +rare or exotic foreign sports cars. I saw: + +Ford GT-40 (!), the famous model from Ford, that seemed to win most of +its races in the late 60s, including Le-Mans 4 or 6 times. + +Two Jensen Interceptors, one a convertable, one a hatchback? + +Porsche 911 (boring compared to the rest) + +THREE Ferarries, a Mondial, a 308 prepared for racing, and a red 60s model +that I couldn't identify. + +And at the bottom, a late 70s MG convertable. + +Outside there was a rotting Rover 3500 saloon, which was never regularly +sold in the U.S. + +And in the showroom, there was a small italian body, either an Alpha Romeo +or a Lancia. It was about the size of an Austin Mini. +The trunklid was missing, exposing a boot with a voltage regulator +in the upper left corner of the wall, and a chunk of metal removed from +the floor on the right hand side as if something would leave the trunk +and go to the outside from here. +The taillights looked like they +would be the round type (if they were there). Does anyone know what the +make of this one is? + +Certainly made my day... +-- +Graham E. Thomas * blah blah blah blah blah +Georgia Institute of Technology * blah blah blah blah blah +Internet: grahamt@oit.gatech.edu * blah blah blah blah blah +";10;True +"From: perry@dsinc.com (Jim Perry) +Subject: Re: The Inimitable Rushdie +Organization: Decision Support Inc. +Lines: 72 +NNTP-Posting-Host: bozo.dsinc.com + +I apologize for the long delay in getting a response to this posted. +I've been working reduced hours the past couple of weeks because I had +a son born (the day after Umar's article was posted, btw). I did +respond within a couple of days, but it turns out that a a +coincidental news software rearrangement caused postings from this +site to silently disappear rather than going out into the world. This +is a revision of that original response. + +In article khan@itd.itd.nrl.navy.mil (Umar Khan) writes: +>In article <1ps98fINNm2u@dsi.dsinc.com> perry@dsinc.com (Jim Perry) writes: +>>Only a functional illiterate with absolutely no conception of the +>>nature of the novel could think such a thing. + +[this was in response to the claim that ""Rushdie made false statements +about the life of Mohammed"", with the disclaimer ""(fiction, I know, +but where is the line between fact and fiction?) - I stand by this +distinction between fiction and ""false statements""] + +>>However, it's not for his writing in _The Satanic Verses_, but for +>>what people have accepted as a propagandistic version of what is +>>contained in that book. I have yet to find *one single muslim* who +>>has convinced me that they have read the book. Some have initially +>>claimed to have done so, but none has shown more knowledge of the book +>>than a superficial Newsweek story might impart, and all have made +>>factual misstatements about events in the book. +> +>You keep saying things like this. Then, you accuse people like me of +>making ad hominem arguments. I repeat, as I have said in previous +>postings on AA: I *have* read TSV from cover to cover + +I had not seen that claim, or I might have been less sweeping. You +have made what I consider factual misstatements about events in the +book, which I have raised in the past, in the ""ISLAM: a clearer view"" +thread as well as the root of the ""Yet more Rushdie [Re: ISLAMIC LAW]"" +thread. My statement was not that you had not read the book, but that +you had not convinced me that you [inter alia] had. As I said before, +if you want to defend your position, then produce evidence, and +respond to the evidence I have posted; so far you have not. Of +course, my statement was not directly aimed at you, but broadly at a +number of Muslim posters who have repeated propaganda about the book, +indicating that they haven't read it, and narrowly at Gregg Jaeger, +who subsequently admitted that he hadn't in fact read the book, +vindicating my skepticism in at least that one case. + +So far, the only things I have to go on regarding your own case are a) +the statements you made concerning the book in the ""a clearer view"" +posting, which I have challenged (not interpretation, but statements +of fact, for instance ""Rushdie depicts the women of the most +respected family in all of Islam as whores""), and b) your claim (which +I had not seen before this) that you have indeed read it cover to +cover. I am willing to try to resolve this down to a disagreement on +critical interpretation, but you'll have to support your end, by +responding to my criticism. I have no doubt as to the ability of a +particular Muslim to go through this book with a highlighter finding +passages to take personal offense at, but you have upheld the view +that ""TSV *is* intended as an attack on Islam and upon Muslims"". This +view must be defended by more than mere assertion, if you want anyone +to take it seriously. + +>I am trying very hard to be amicable and rational. + +And I appreciate it, but welcome to the club. I am defending my +honest opinion that this book should not be construed as a calculated +(or otherwise) insulting attack on Islam, and the parallel opinion +that most of the criticism of the book I have seen is baseless +propaganda. I have supported my statements and critical +interpretationa with in-context quotes from the book and Rushdie's +essays, which is more than my correspondents have done. Of course, +you are more than welcome to do so. +-- +Jim Perry perry@dsinc.com Decision Support, Inc., Matthews NC +These are my opinions. For a nominal fee, they can be yours. +";9;True +"From: ch981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tony Alicea) +Subject: Re: OTO, the Ancient Order of Oriental Templars +Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) +Lines: 20 +Reply-To: ch981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tony Alicea) +NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu + + +In a previous article, Thyagi@cup.portal.com (Thyagi Morgoth NagaSiva) says: + +> +>""It is known only to a few that there exists an external visible +>organization of such men and women, who having themselves found +>the path to real self-knowledge, and who, having travelled the +>burning sands, are willing to give the benefit of their experience, +>and to act as spiritual guides to those who are willing to be +>guided. +>""While numberless societies, associations, orders, groups etc. +>have been founded during the last thirty years in all parts of +>the civilised world, all following some line of occult study, +>yet there is but ONE ancient organization of genuine Mystics +> + + Up to that point I thought you were talking about the +Rosicrucian Order... :-) [No offense intended!] + +Tony +";19;True +"From: push@media.mit.edu (Pushpinder Singh) +Subject: re: Centris 610 Video Problem - I'm having it also! +Organization: M.I.T. Media Laboratory +Distribution: comp +Lines: 27 + +> When the computer is set for 256 colors and certain operations are done, +> particularly vertical scrolling through a window, horizontal white lines +> appear on the monitor (which generally but not always spare open +> windows). These lines accummulate as the operation is continued. If a +> window is moved over the involved area of the screen and then moved away +> the line disappear from that area of the screen. This problem is not +> observed if the monitor is configured for 16 colors or a 14 inch Apple +> monitor with 256 colors is used. +> +> I suspect a bad video RAM chip but cannot be certain. The problem has +> been apparent since day 1 but has gotten worse. + +I'm having exactly the same problem. Again, it's fine when I switch to 16 +colors or a smaller monitor. My configuration is: + +Model: Centris 610 with 4 MB/80 HD, 512 VRAM, no cards +Monitor: MAG MX15F with 16"" monitor adaptor (for resolution of 832*624) + +I just discovered the problem a little while ago after plugging in my +new MAG monitor. It seems to appear either when scrolling through a +window or when using Alpha or Word and I enter . + +My guess is bad VRAMs as well. I really hope it isn't a design flaw. Is +anyone at Apple listening? + +Pushpinder Singh +push@media.mit.edu +";0;True +"From: shaq@shelley.u.washington.edu (Chris Liu) +Subject: Game Boy games wanted! +Organization: University of Washington, Seattle +Lines: 3 +NNTP-Posting-Host: shelley.u.washington.edu + +I'm looking for some Game Boy games. Please e-mail me with your list and offers! Thanks! Also, if you have a game boy you want to get rid of, please tell me. + + Chris +";8;True +"From: shah@pitt.edu (Ravindra S Shah) +Subject: Re: Nords 3 - Habs 2 in O.T. We was robbed!! +Lines: 23 +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] + +Deepak Chhabra (dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca) wrote: + +: Speaking of great players, man-oh-man can Quebec skate. I haven't seen a +: team so potent on the rush in a long time. Watching them break out of their +: zone, especially Sundin, is a treat to watch. They remind me of the Red +: Army. + +: dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca (pissed-off Habs fan) + +Yeah, the Nords look like they're going to be good...but (excuse the +bias) have you ever watched the Pens on a rush?...Don't answer: everyone +has seen this footage. Near the end of the season when the Pens played +the Nords it was like watching a (younger) double of the Pens. ...The +Nords looked good right up to the point when they lost. +-- +Ravi Shah +shah+@pitt.edu + +""La mu'sica ideas portara' approx. translation: ""Music will bring ideas +y siempre continuara' and will continue forever +sonido electro'nico electronic sound +decibel sinte'tico"" -Musique non stop- synthetic decibel"" + -Kraftwerk +";13;True +"From: dan@visix.com (Daniel Appelquist) +Subject: Re: PLANETS STILL: IMAGES ORBIT BY ETHER TWIST +Reply-To: dan@visix.com (Daniel Appelquist) +Organization: Visix Software, Reston, Virginia +Lines: 11 + +dmcaloon@tuba.calpoly.edu (David McAloon) writes: +[Lots of trippy stuff deleted] + +Wow... What is this guy smoking and WHERE can I GET SOME? + +Dan +-- +Daniel K. Appelquist|QUANTA is the electronically published and distributed +dan@visix.com |magazine of science fiction and fantasy. For more +703-758-2712 |information, send mail to quanta+@andrew.cmu.edu or, +703-758-0233 (Fax) |for back issues, ftp export.acs.cmu.edu, id:anonymous. +";2;True +"From: jdnicoll@prism.ccs.uwo.ca (James Davis Nicoll) +Subject: Re: New planet/Kuiper object found? +Organization: University of Western Ontario, London +Distribution: sci +Nntp-Posting-Host: prism.engrg.uwo.ca +Lines: 5 + + If the new Kuiper belt object *is* called 'Karla', the next +one should be called 'Smiley'. + + James Nicoll + +";2;True +"From: betz@gozer.idbsu.edu (Andrew Betz) +Subject: Re: Guns GONE. Good Riddance ! +Nntp-Posting-Host: gozer +Organization: SigSauer Fan Club +Lines: 66 + +In article <1993Apr18.000152.2339@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu> jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes: +>You are loosing. + +What's ""loosing?"" + +>Of those who vote, your cause is considered an abomination. No matter +>how hard you try, public opinion is set against the RKBA. + +I vote. I don't consider RKBA an abomination. + +>This is the end. By the finish of the Clinton administration, your +>RKBA will be null and void. Tough titty. + +I'm sure Sarah Brady would be delighted to hear your ranting and +raving. However, Clinton has not publically stated that he would +like to repeal the Second Amendment. ""Tough titty"" to you. + +>You had better discover ways to make do without firearms. The number of +>cases of firearms abuses has ruined your cause. There is nothing you +>can do about it. Those who live by the sword shall die by it. + +Are we going to ""make do without"" like the people in New York City? +You know New York City: That gun ban utopia you dream about, with +the millions of unregistered handguns? New York City, by the way, +has a very high crime rate. + +Perhaps you should know about a gungrabber's nightmare - Idaho. +Here in Idaho, the police give concealed carry permits to anyone +over 21 without a criminal record. There are no gungrabber schemes +such as FOIDs, waiting periods, ""gun a month,"" or LTCs. And horror +of horrors! You don't even NEED a permit to carry a concealed +weapon while outside of city limits (although you do need a permit +for concealed carry in an automobile). + +I feel a hell of a lot safer in Boise than I would in your gun ban +dream state (e.g., Washington, D.C.). + +>The press is against you, the public (the voting public) is against +>you, the flow of history is against you ... this is it ! + +The voting public in Idaho is staunchly pro-gun. Both senators +are NRA-endorsed ""A"" rated! Buy a clue, pal. + +>Surrender your arms. Soon enough, officers will be around to collect +>them. Resistance is useless. They will overwhelm you - one at a time. +>Your neighbors will not help you. They will consider you more if an +>immediate threat than the abstract 'criminal'. +> +Get out your wallet and buy another clue. There are millions upon +MILLIONS of pre-1968 (i.e., non-4473'ed) firearms out there. +They have a half-life approaching eternity. And cosmoline is not +exactly tracked by the feds. + +>Too fucking bad. You have gone the way of the KKK. Violent solutions +>are passe'. Avoid situations which encourage criminals. Then you will +>be as safe as possible. Such as it is ... +> +Gun control laws were passed to PROTECT the KKK from blacks! + +Drew +-- +betz@gozer.idbsu.edu +*** brought into your terminal from the free state of idaho *** +*** when you outlaw rights, only outlaws will have rights *** +*** spook fodder: fema, nsa, clinton, gore, insurrection, nsc, + semtex, neptunium, terrorist, cia, mi5, mi6, kgb, deuterium +";3;True +"From: jcav@ellis.uchicago.edu (JohnC) +Subject: how do you like the Apple Color OneScanner? +Reply-To: jcav@midway.uchicago.edu +Organization: The Royal Society for Putting Things on Top of Other Things +Lines: 13 + +We're all set to buy one of these for the office, to use for scanning in +color photographs and for optical character recognition. We've played with +the original grayscale OneScanner and were very pleased. Is the color model +comparable in quality? + +Also, what brand of OCR software would you recommend? We're leaning toward +Caere OmniPage. Any better ideas? Thanks. + +-- +John Cavallino | EMail: jcav@midway.uchicago.edu +University of Chicago Hospitals | John_Cavallino@uchfm.bsd.uchicago.edu +Office of Facilities Management | USMail: 5841 S. Maryland Ave, MC 0953 +B0 f++ w c+ g++ k+ s++ e h- p | Chicago, IL 60637 +";0;True +"From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) +Subject: Re: RUMOUR - Keenan signs with Rangers? +Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department +Lines: 25 + +In article <1993Apr16.185823.6310@news.columbia.edu> gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) writes: +> +>Interestingly, Keenan's co-coach (or is it his ""Number One""?) on Team +>Canada at the World Championships is Roger Neilsen. +> + +But ultimately their hockey philosophies are like night and day... +Keenan believes in pressuring the opposition and taking the +initiative (within the limits of his system)...while Roger +has a reactive hockey philosophy...which is why Messier will +be able to and has played for Keenan, but thought Roger's way +was a sure loser. + +>It'd be interesting if the Rangers call in the balance of Neilsen's +>contract to be Keenan's assistant ... Roger did do a very good job +>with the mediocre players, just as he handled the Cinderella Canucks +>of 10 years ago ... but his mistake was playing the Rangers like those +>Canucks last May ... +> + +Roger is a great assistant coach...but considering what must be bad +blood between Nielson and Messier, it would be a mistake to bring +him back even in that role. + +Gerald +";13;True +"From: pritchet@cs.scarolina.edu (Ronald W. Pritchett) +Subject: CD-ROM for a quadra... +Organization: USC Department of Computer Science +Distribution: comp +Lines: 17 + +would there be any problems with hooking up a Toshiba 3401 external CD-ROM +drive to a 700? + + +Ron + + + +============================================================================== +| 'Hey Jack the Ripper, | +| won't you come on over and | +| hook me up to the power lines of your love.' - Jethro Tull | +|----------------------------------------------------------------------------| +| Ron Pritchett Internet: pritchet@ash.cs.scarolina.edu | +| FidoNet: Ron Pritchett @ 1:376/74.0 | +============================================================================== + +";0;True +"From: surfer@world.std.com (Internet Surfer) +Subject: 6551A and 6551 compatibility +Organization: Boston Computer Society / ISIG +Lines: 10 + +Does any one know if the 6551 is timing/pin compatible with the 6551.. +It seems the 6551 has in iheirent bug with cts/rts handshaking and i need +a suitable pin replacement to put in my serial card... possibly a buffered +version perhaps? + + +-- +jolt@gnu.ai.mit.edu | Its not impossible, just improbable +johnp@pro.angmar.uucp | (Zaphod Beeblbrox) +bl298@cleveland.freenet.edu | N1NIG@amsat.org (Being a Ham is so grand) +";11;True +"From: vvl2h@galen.med.Virginia.EDU (Victor V. Levenson) +Subject: HELP: How to get a SCUMSTER +Summary: Need advice +Keywords: HD, cash/check, no delivery +Organization: University of Virginia +Distribution: usa +Lines: 34 + + +Hi, everyone; + + +I need an advice on what is the best way to get a scumster. + +Several weeks ago I posted an article on behalf of a friend who wanted +an external HD for mac. The scumster - R.E.P. - called my friend and +they agreed on a price. My friend (unexperienced and not too fluent in +English) paid by check, requesting R.E.P. to call him back when the check +arrives and the HD is send. Well, the check was cashed 3/24 and that is +that. Phone # that R.E.P. gave is on the answering machine all the time +and there is no reaction when the message is left; e-mail address does not +bounce but again there is no answer. I know, that R.E.P. is a student at +University of Delaware; I have his e-mail address, his US postal address +and his (?) phone#. The question is: WHAT IS THE BEST WAY TO PROCEED? + +Thanks in advance for any advice. + +Sincerely, +Victor Levenson (VVL2H@virginia.edu) + +P.S. The reason I did not put R.E.P.'s full name is that I still hope... + + +P.P.S. If I get enough responses I will post a summary, maybe even on a +regular basis. + +VL +-- +==================================== + +Dr.Victor V.Levenson Tel (804) 924 2370 lab +Dept. of Biochemistry Internet VVL2H@virginia.edu +";8;True +"From: henrik@quayle.kpc.com +Subject: Re: ARMENIA SAYS IT COULD SHOOT DOWN TURKISH PLANES +Organization: NONE +Lines: 41 + +In article <1993Apr20.131336@IASTATE.EDU>, oyalcin@IASTATE.EDU (Onur Yalcin) writes: +|> In article <1993Apr19.234534.18368@kpc.com>, henrik@quayle.kpc.com writes: +|> > In article , oyalcin@iastate.edu (Onur Yalcin) + +OY] Henrik (?), +OY] Your ignorance manifests itself in an awkward form of intransigence. I'm not +OY] going to spend time to review with you the recent history of Cyprus. + + Good !! Go back to your references and read it over and over ... + +OY] If you are really interested, I can provide you with a number of references +OY] on the issue. Just send me EMail for that. + + You think I am that STUPID to ask you for REFERENCES ! NOT ! + I have many GREEK friends that I could ask for the INFO if I + needed. I have already read many articles and DO NOT need + your help. Boy, how generous !! + +OY] Relax! You're swinging fists into open air... I was *agreeing* with you, +OY] assuming that would be one of your points that you did not state! You may +OY] not be very much used to it, to be agreed with - that is, but take it more +OY] easily. !:-) + + Believe me, I am so relaxed ... + +henrik] However, I hope that the Armenians WILL force a TURKISH airplane +henrik] to LAND for purposes of SEARCHING for ARMS similar to the one + +[OY] No, Henrik, believe me: You don't hope that. + + IF Armenia is goint to do that, then so be it. + +henrik] that happened last SUMMER. Turkey searched an AMERICAN plane +henrik] (carrying humanitarian aid) bound to ARMENIA. + +OY] Was that after or before one French plane changed its route to avoid +OY] inspection??? + + All I am saying is that the plane that was SEARCHED was an + AMERICAN and why Turkey DID NOT TRUST the U.S. that it was + mainly HUMANITARIAN AID CARGO. +";15;True +"From: davidson@mail.sas.upenn.edu (David Davidson) +Subject: Portable Color T.V. $160 +Distribution: usa +Organization: University of Pennsylvania, School of Arts and Sciences +Lines: 20 +Nntp-Posting-Host: mail.sas.upenn.edu + + +Hey, + + I have a Color Watchman by SONY for sale. It is 6""x3""x1"" in total +and the screen is 2.75"" diagonal, over 2"" wide, over 1.5"" tall. I got it 2 +years ago for $320, so I'm asking $160 obo. + + * VHF and UHF switch for channels 2 through 69. + * slot for Audio/Video in from VCR (appropriate cord provided) + * slot for phones + * slot for A/C adaptor (A/C adaptor also provided) + * slot for external Antenna (internal antenna provided) + * On/Off switch + * Manual Tuning, Volume, Brightness and Hue + * Battery run as well (4 AA batteries provided) + +It's been used very little. Looks like new. Email if interested. + +-dave + +";8;True +"From: WHMurray@DOCKMASTER.NCSC.MIL +Subject: Licensing... +Organization: Yale CS Mail/News Gateway +Lines: 24 + + +>This actually supports Bill's speculation - IF there is a backdoor in +>RSAREF and IF PKP is supported secretly by the NSA, then it is more +>than natural that they will welcome ANY public-key implementation that +>uses RSAREF and will strongly oppose themselves against ANY +>implementation that doesn't. + +My speculation does not include or depend upon a trapdoor in RSAREF. I +do not believe that RSA would consent to such. + +However, there are other limitation in the concept of RSAREF in which +NSA has an interest. It has an interest in a limited number of +implementations, i.e., targets. It has an interest in fixed key or +maximum modulus size. + +It has a legitimate (literally) right to pursue such interests. Within +bounds, it probably has a right to pursue those interests by covert +means. At least it has the same right as the rest of us not to disclose +all of its motives and intentions. (Institutions are not self-aware; +they do not know their intentions in any meaningful sense.) + +William Hugh Murray, Executive Consultant, Information System Security +49 Locust Avenue, Suite 104; New Canaan, Connecticut 06840 +1-0-ATT-0-700-WMURRAY; WHMurray at DOCKMASTER.NCSC.MIL +";16;True +"From: jeff@nsr.hp.com (Jeff Gruszynski) +Subject: Re: digital voltmeter - how does it work? +Organization: Hewlett-Packard +Lines: 66 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: hpmvd069.nsr.hp.com +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.2 PL7] + +MAMISHEV, ALEXANDER VALENTINO (avm1993@sigma.tamu.edu) wrote: +: Hello, +: +: Let me introduce a problem: +: +: When I measure a sinusoidal wave (voltage) with a digital voltmeter, using +: AC mode, my output is an rms value (a peak value over 2 squared). / Right? / +: When I measure a square wave in the same mode (AC), my output is equal +: to a peak value, actually, to the upper flat boundary of the wave. +: I assumed, that a digital voltmeter makes some kind of integration of the +: input value, and divides it over the wave period. / Right?/ +: Now, I used it to measure the same square wave as above, but distorted +: by high-frequency harmonics. Ideally, output should be the same, but... +: The output value was only about 10% of the previous one! +: Why? What is the nature of this output value? What does the voltmeter +: actually measure? And what does it show? + + +Re: RMS readings + +Unless the DVM *says* it's measuring RMS, it's probably Average voltage. +The input is diode rectified and measured as DC. If it says it's RMS +and but measures square/triangle/etc. incorrectly, it's measuring +average and multipling by a correction that's *only* true for sine waves +(i.e. Vave*(0.707/0.63) = Vrms). If you want correct RMS for (most) +any waveform, you need a ""True-RMS"" DVM/DMM which literally does the +Root-Mean-Square calculation in either analog or digital circuitry. + +: +: Related question (less important to me): +: What are advantages and disadvantages of digital voltmeters to compare with +: analog ones? + +The last significant advantage of analog (IMO) ** was ** being able to +""see"" the signal if it was changing over time (e.g. checking +electrolytic capacitors). + +Anymore, most DMM have bargraphs, etc. that duplicate this. + +: +: Thank you for your attention, you could mail me your opinion at +: avm1993@zeus.tamu.edu or open a discussion here. I would appreciate either +: way. +: +: +: Alexander V. Mamishev +: +: ____________________________________________________________________________ +: Power System Automation Laboratory <> phone office (409) 845-4623 +: Department of Electrical Engineering <> phone home (409) 846-5850 +: Texas A&M University <> fax (409) 862-2282 +: College Station, TX 77843, USA <> Internet: avm1993@zeus.tamu.edu +: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- +: + +-- +================================================================================ +Jeff Gruszynski +Semiconductor Test Equipment +Systems Engineer +Hewlett-Packard +================================================================================ +(415) or T 694-3381 +jeff@hpmvd061.nsr.hp.com +jeff@hpuplca.nsr.hp.com +================================================================================ +";11;True +"From: dgraham@bmers30.bnr.ca (Douglas Graham) +Subject: Re: Jews can't hide from keith@cco. +Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada +Lines: 40 + +In article <1pqdor$9s2@fido.asd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes: +>In article <1993Apr3.071823.13253@bmerh85.bnr.ca>, dgraham@bmers30.bnr.ca (Douglas Graham) writes: +>The poster casually trashed two thousand years of Jewish history, and +>Ken replied that there had previously been people like him in Germany. + +I think the problem here is that I pretty much ignored the part +about the Jews sightseeing for 2000 years, thinking instead that +the important part of what the original poster said was the bit +about killing Palestinians. In retrospect, I can see how the +sightseeing thing would be offensive to many. I originally saw +it just as poetic license, but it's understandable that others +might see it differently. I still think that Ken came on a bit +strong though. I also think that your advice to Masud Khan: + + #Before you argue with someone like Mr Arromdee, it's a good idea to + #do a little homework, or at least think. + +was unnecessary. + +>That's right. There have been. There have also been people who +>were formally Nazis. But the Nazi party would have gone nowhere +>without the active and tacit support of the ordinary man in the +>street who behaved as though casual anti-semitism was perfectly +>acceptable. +> +>Now what exactly don't you understand about what I wrote, and why +>don't you see what it has to do with the matter at hand? + +Throughout all your articles in this thread there is the tacit +assumption that the original poster was exhibiting casual +anti-semitism. If I agreed with that, then maybe your speech +on why this is bad might have been relevant. But I think you're +reading a lot into one flip sentence. While probably not +true in this case, too often the charge of anti-semitism gets +thrown around in order to stifle legitimate criticism of the +state of Israel. + +Anyway, I'd rather be somewhere else, so I'm outta this thread. +-- +Doug Graham dgraham@bnr.ca My opinions are my own. +";9;True +"From: andrew.payne@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us (Andrew Payne) +Subject: WANTED: TCM3105 chips, small quantities +Distribution: world +Organization: HAL 9000 BBS, W-NET HQ, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA +Reply-To: andrew.payne@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us (Andrew Payne) +Keywords: rec mod +Lines: 29 + +From: payne@crl.dec.com (Andrew Payne) +Message-ID: <1993Apr20.004418.11548@crl.dec.com> +Organization: DEC Cambridge Research Lab +Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1993 00:44:18 GMT + + +Does anyone know if a source for the TCM3105 modem chips (as used in the +Baycom and my PMP modems)? Ideally, something that is geared toward +hobbyists: small quantity, mail order, etc. + +For years, we've been buying them from a distributor (Marshall) by the +hundreds for PMP kits. But orders have dropped to the point where we can +no longer afford to offer this service. And all of the distributors I've +checked have some crazy minimum order ($100, or so). + +I'd like to find a source for those still interested in building PMP kits. +Any suggestions? + +-- +Andrew C. Payne +DEC Cambridge Research Lab +--- + . R110B:Wnet HAL_9000 + +---- +| HAL 9000 BBS: QWK-to-Usenet gateway | Four 14400 v.32bis dial-ins | +| FREE Usenet mail and 200 newsgroups! | PCBoard 14.5aM * uuPCB * Kmail | +| Call +1 313 663 4173 or 663 3959 +--------------------------------+ +| Member of EFF, ASP, ASAD * 1500MB disk * Serving Ann Arbor since 1988 | +";11;True +"From: robert@pest (Robert Merlicek) +Subject: ati GUP and Vpic +Nntp-Posting-Host: pest.ctpm.uq.oz.au +Organization: CTPM and CSIRO +Lines: 13 + +Could someone tell me if the ATI graphic ultra pro is supported in a version +of vpic now. +If so where is it located. +thanks +Robert + +email replies would be appreciated :-) + +-- +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= += Robert Merlicek CBR600 from Hell = += robert@ctpm.uq.oz.au Engage Ludicrous Speed = +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= +";5;True +"From: baseball@catch-the-fever.scd.ucar.edu (Gregg Walters) +Subject: Ryan on DL +Organization: Scientific Computing Divison/NCAR Boulder, CO +Lines: 18 + +Heard minutes ago on KOA radio, Denver. + +Nolan Ryan to have arthroscopic on a knee, and +to miss 2 - 5 weeks. + +Rockies (Nied) lead Mets (Gooden) 4 - 0 in 7th. +All runs in first inning. + +Gregg \\ baseball@ncar.ucar.edu // + \\ /\ // + _^ \ / \ / ^_ + _\|__/\ / \ /\__|/_ + /\___/ / \ \___/\ + | CR/ /\/ o \/\ \CR | + |--/ / / \ \--| + \ \ / // \ / / + / / / // \ \ \ + \ \ / COLORADO ROCKIES \ / / +";14;True +"From: bassili@cs.arizona.edu (Amgad Z. Bassili) +Subject: Copt-Net Newsletter[4] +Lines: 18 + +This is to let you know that the fourth issue of the Copt-Net Newsletter +has been issued. The highlights of this issue include: + + + 1. Easter Greating: Christ is risen; Truly he is risen! + 2. The Holy Family in Egypt (part 1) + 3. Anba Abraam, the Friend of the Poor (part 4) + 4. A review of the Coptic Encyclopedia + 5. A new Dictionary of the Coptic Language + + +This Newsletter has been prepared by members of Copt-Net, a forum +where news, activities, and services of the Coptic Orthodox Churches +and Coptic communities outside Egypt are coordinated and exchanged. +If you want your name to be included in the mailing list, or have any +questions please contact Nabil Ayoub at . + +Copt-Net Editorial Board +";17;True +"From: hancock@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (thomas hancock) +Subject: Re: Proton/Centaur? +Organization: NASA/MSFC +Lines: 40 + +dennisn@ecs.comm.mot.com (Dennis Newkirk) writes: +The Centaur is controlled technology.. +State Dept will not allow it to be used outside of US. Sorry. +>In article <1993Apr20.211638.168730@zeus.calpoly.edu> jgreen@trumpet.calpoly.edu (James Thomas Green) writes: +>>Has anyone looked into the possiblity of a Proton/Centaur combo? +>>What would be the benefits and problems with such a combo (other +>>than the obvious instability in the XSSR now)? + +>I haven't seen any speculation about it. But, the Salyut KB (Design Bureau) +>was planning a new LH/LOX second stage for the Proton which would boost +>payload to LEO from about 21000 to 31500 kg. (Geostationary goes from +>2600 kg. (Gals launcher version) to 6000 kg.. This scheme was competing +>with the Energia-M last year and I haven't heard which won, except now +>I recently read that the Central Specialized KB was working on the +>successor to the Soyuz booster which must be the Energia-M. So the early +>results are Energia-M won, but this is a guess, nothing is very clear in +>Russia. I'm sure if Salyut KB gets funds from someone they will continue +>their development. + +>The Centaur for the Altas is about 3 meters dia. and the Proton +>is 4 so that's a good fit for their existing upper stage, the Block-D +>which sets inside a shround just under 4 meters dia. I don't know about +>launch loads, etc.. but since the Centaur survives Titan launches which +>are probably worse than the Proton (those Titan SRB's probably shake things +>up pretty good) it seems feasible. EXCEPT, the Centaur is a very fragile +>thing and may require integration on the pad which is not available now. +>Protons are assembled and transported horizontially. Does anyone know +>how much stress in the way of a payload a Centaur could support while +>bolted to a Proton horizontally and then taken down the rail road track +>and erected on the pad? + +>They would also need LOX and LH facilities added to the Proton pads +>(unless the new Proton second stage is actually built), and of course +>any Centaur support systems and facilities, no doubt imported from the +>US at great cost. These systems may viloate US law so there are political +>problems to solve in addition to the instabilities in the CIS you mention. + +>Dennis Newkirk (dennisn@ecs.comm.mot.com) +>Motorola, Land Mobile Products Sector +>Schaumburg, IL +";2;True +"From: jsledd@ssdc.sas.upenn.edu (James Sledd) +Subject: Serbian genocide Work of God? +Organization: Social Science Computing +Lines: 13 + +Are the Serbs doing the work of God? Hmm... + +I've been wondering if anyone would ever ask the question, + +Are the governments of the United States and Europe not moving +to end the ethnic cleansing by the Serbs because the targets are +muslims? + +Can/Does God use those who are not following him to accomplish +tasks for him? Esp those tasks that are punative? + +James Sledd +no cute sig.... but I'm working on it. +";17;True +"From: chico@ccsun.unicamp.br (Francisco da Fonseca Rodrigues) +Subject: New planet/Kuiper object found? +X-Added: Forwarded by Space Digest +Organization: [via International Space University] +Original-Sender: isu@VACATION.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU +Distribution: sci +Lines: 28 + + + Tonigth a TV journal here in Brasil announced that an object, +beyond Pluto's orbit, was found by an observatory at Hawaii. They +named the object Karla. + + The program said the object wasn't a gaseous giant planet, and +should be composed by rocks and ices. + + Can someone confirm these information? Could this object be a +new planet or a Kuiper object? + + Thanks in advance. + + Francisco. + +-----------------------=====================================----the stars,---- +| ._, | Francisco da Fonseca Rodrigues | o o | +| ,_| |._/\ | | o o | +| | |o/^^~-._ | COTUCA-Colegio Tecnico da UNICAMP | o | +|/-' BRASIL | ~| | o o o | +|\__/|_ /' | Depto de Processamento de Dados | o o o o | +| \__ Cps | . | | o o o o | +| | * __/' | InterNet : chico@ccsun.unicamp.br | o o o | +| > /' | cotuca@ccvax.unicamp.br| o | +| /' /' | Fone/Fax : 55-0192-32-9519 | o o | +| ~~^\/' | Campinas - SP - Brasil | o o | +-----------------------=====================================----like dust.---- + +";2;True +"From: hasty@netcom.com (Amancio Hasty Jr) +Subject: Re: X Toolkits +Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) +Lines: 45 + +In article papresco@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod) writes: +>I am considering making a reasonably large application for free +>distribution (probably copylefted). I am going to use X. Now I'm + +The following packages meet your criteria in that they are PD and +present an aesthetically pleasant graphical interface to the users. + +If you can use 386bsd: + there is xview3 (OpenLook) + + there is Interviews which looks a little like Motif + + there is gopath a very nice C++ toolkit for Athena Widgets and Motif + which is simpler + and better than interviews and you will enjoy + technical support from Bull via e-mail + It has a nice draw program (it uses motif) which can be used + to create graphical front-end to programs. + The data format is called streams which you can feed + to your programs. I ported gopath on an internet machine + which is gone but if you use gcc-2.3.3 with minimal effort + gopath can be ported to 386bsd. + Last but not least, gopath interfaces to toolkits via a driver + module. They have an MS-Windows driver module for instance. + + Also, many have written extensions to tk/tcl thus allowing powerful + applications. For instance, tcl_nm has snmp extensions for tk/tcl. + With ease, I can now combine snmp network operations with graphs, + photo-widget, graphical interface, file operations, database + operations,etc.. The author of tcl_nm mail me a simple network + management application which was about 80 lines long - it displayed + various environmental parameters from a router. I wrote a simple + strip chart script for displaying Real-Time ip received + packets/seconds. + + + Hope this helps, + Amancio Hasty + + +-- +This message brought to you by the letters X and S and the number 3 +Amancio Hasty | +Home: (415) 495-3046 | ftp-site depository of all my work: +e-mail hasty@netcom.com | sunvis.rtpnc.epa.gov:/pub/386bsd/incoming +";12;True +"From: km@cs.pitt.edu (Ken Mitchum) +Subject: Re: Open letter to Hillary Rodham Clinton (#7) +Article-I.D.: pitt.19425 +Reply-To: km@cs.pitt.edu (Ken Mitchum) +Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science +Lines: 3 + +How about posting one of her replies to your letters? + +-km +";4;True +"From: rky57514@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tall Cool One ) +Subject: Can I use a CD4052 analog multiplexer for digital signals? +Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana +Lines: 14 + +As the subject says - Can I use a 4052 for digital signals? I don't see +why it couldn't handle digital signals, but I could be wrong. Anyone have +any advice? Thanks. + + + _I_______________________________________________________________________I_ +(_@_) (_@_) +| | Raymond Yeung Internet: Nimbus@uiuc.edu | | +| | rky57514@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu | | +| | EE student at the | | +| | University of Illinois CompuServe: 70700,1011 | | +| | at Urbana-Champaign | | +(___)-------------------------------------------------------------------(___) + I I +";11;True +"From: ckincy@cs.umr.edu (Charles Kincy) +Subject: Re: Top Ten Signs That It's the Age of Aquarius on Pennsylvania Avenue +Nntp-Posting-Host: next4.cs.umr.edu +Organization: University of Missouri - Rolla, Rolla, MO +Lines: 79 + +In article <1ql7tuINN8j8@MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU> chaudhary-amar@yale.edu (Amar Chaudhary) writes: +> +>Here's my own top ten response to Mr. Ipser's list +> +>8. It just so happens that that it takes money to make this country work, +> to provide the services that people need, and to help solve the problems +> that need to be solved. Granted, some things can probably be done more +> efficiently for less money, and should be. But some things are going to +> cost more money and I'm sick and tired of hearing everyone whining about +> taxes all the time. You want to live in my country, you pay your fair +> share! + +Some people pay shares that are more ""fair"" than others, and will continue +to do so, even with the presence of President Clinton. Until the rich +elite *hurt* from taxes and shower me with their blood dripping from the +wound of the tax dagger, I will scream and yell. Because, taxes are +killing the poor and middle-class, and I'm tired of the wealthy getting +a free ride in this country. Sure, they pay a lot of taxes, but I want +them to SHARE MY PAIN!! + +And, not even Slick Willy is *that* fair, is he, seeing that he and his +wife qualify as one of those wealthy people I was talking about? [They're +on the lower end of ""wealthy"", but ""wealthy"" they are.] + +>7. I can't believe what hypocrites people are when they ask people to give +> up their lives for their country and then complain about taxes. If you're +> willing to send me off to die for some stupid obsession with fighting an +> enemy which at best doesn't affect us and at worst really should be our +> friend, then you have no right to tell me you shouldn't pay taxes! + +Yah, I think the draft for Vietnam was a sack of shit. But, do we get +to pick and choose which laws we obey, Mr. Chaudhary? If so, shall we +set up a ""you follow the laws you like, and I'll follow the laws I +like"" arrangement? + +>6. Hey, I think the beaded curtains add a lovely 60's-esque touch! + +I never thought much of beaded curtains. + +Now beaded seat-covers, on the other hand.... + +>5. [Health care is a human right--deleted] + +I didn't think I was going to respond to this, but I changed my mind. + +Tell me, why do you think health care is a human right? + +This isn't a flame or anything, I just wonder. Next thing you know, +free public transportation will be a human right. Maybe membership +at prestigious health spas? + +[Sorry to grease the hill on ya there....] + +>4. Make love, not War! + +Be sure and wrap that wanker when you go spreadin' that free love stuff +around. (Or, after the FDA gets its thumb out of its ass, use that neat +new ""Reality"" femi-condom.) + +>3. Contrary to popular belief, it is possible to be a male and a feminist +> at the same time. To discriminate against or to deny equal opportunity +> to a MAJORITY of the population is just plain wrong, and trying to force +> them into some sort of tradition role is even worse. Women certainly +> have as much to offer this world as men, and the day that gender +> discrimination is finally broken it going to make all the revolutions of +> the past few centuries seem like reform bills. I look forward to it. + +So do I. Amen. And all that. + +>1. HEY MAN, ACADAMIA RULES!! + +What the hell is an ""acadamia"" anyway? Is that like a macadamia? + +cpk +-- +It's been 80 days. Do you know where your wallet is? + +Slick Willy's already got his hand in my pocket. I'm just afraid +of what he might grab hold of. +";18;True +"From: browning@nscf.org (Charles W. Browning) +Subject: ** Mitsubishi MR535 Hard Drive Help!!! ** +Organization: National Science Center Foundation +Summary: ** Mitsubishi MR535 Hard Drive Help!! ** +Keywords: Hard Disk +Lines: 17 + +I have a new MR535 Mitsubishi hard drive (RLL or MFM) that has been +in storage and will not format. I suspected that the switch settings +may have been moved in the movement of the drive from one place to +another. Does anyone have the switch settings for this drive. It has +J1 SW1 with 6 switches and SW2 has 8 switches. SW2 is the one that +selects the drive number. If you have info on this drive, or know +a number I can call to configure it, please, please let me know by +email. It has 977 cyl 5 heads and I think is type 17. + +Thanks in advance! + +Chuck Browning +-- +***************************************************** +* Charles W. Browning * browning@galois.nscf.org * +* University of GA * browning@moe.coe.uga.edu * +* Augusta, Georgia * cbrowni@eis.calstate.edu * +";5;True +"From: garrett@Ingres.COM +Subject: Re: Losers (Was Re: Stop putting down white het males.) +Summary: Just my $.02 +News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1 +Keywords: racism, sexism, mysogyny +Organization: ASK Computer Systems, Ingres Product Division +Lines: 107 + +In article <1939@tecsun1.tec.army.mil>, riggs@descartes.etl.army.mil (Bill Riggs) writes... +>In article <1993Apr2.180839.14305@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Tree of Schnopia) writes: +>>In <1993Apr2.064804.29008@jato.jpl.nasa.gov> michael@neuron6.jpl.nasa.gov (Michael Rivero) writes: +>>> I don't know what you as a white male did. I do know what white males, +>>>as a class, have done. +>>> They've invented the light bulb, the automobile, the airplane, printing with +>>>movable type, photography, computers, the electric guitar. anasthesia, rocket +>>>powered space flight, the computer, electricity, the telephone, TV, motion +>>>pictures, penecillin(sp), telescopes, nylon, and the X-Ray machine. +>> +>>Two glaring errors here. First, white males don't do anything as a ""class."" +>>INDIVIDUAL white males invented those things, which means nothing to white +>>males as a whole. Second, you neglected to mention Charles Manson, Hitler, +>>McCarthy, Jack the Ripper, Ted Bundy, and a whole slew of individuals who +>>have done horrible, evil things. If white males can take the credit for +>>our fellow white males' boons, we must also take the blame for our +>>fellows' blights. I claim we deserve neither credit nor blame for these +>>things. +> +>>White males need to wake up and realize that they're being unfair, yes. But +>>everyone else needs to wake up and realize that being unfair right back is +>>disgusting, racist and sexist. +>>Why can't we learn to treat everyone fairly, without generalizing? What +>>stupidity gene makes this so difficult? ""I'd like to buy the world a +>>clue..."" +> +> The word that is missing in this whole discourse is not the ""B"" +>word, or the ""H"" word, or even the ""N"" or ""W"" words. It is the ""L"" word - +>LOSER !! +> +> That's right. When we boil all the crap out of this argument, it +>is all about WINNING and LOSING, and nothing else. Let me explain. +> In the meantime, there is guilt for winning, maybe a fear that one +>doesn't deserve one's bounty - or success. So there is a ""kinder and gentler +>type of politician these days, Bill Clinton, affirmative action, and lots of +>discourse about people who ""don't get it"". For those of us in the winning +>business, this kind of talk is mildly irritating, but there is still no +>suggestion of losing. +> Who is D-FENS, anyway ? The answer is as plain as the horn rims on +>your face. The guy is MICHAEL DOUGLAS, posing as a LOSER. This +>is known as controversial casting. But that baggy short-sleeved white shirt +>sure does look natural on Mike doesn't it. Gordon Gekko will never look the +>same. (Though Woody always dressed that way.) Did we really expect Gekko to +>take it easy and enjoy that kind of wardrobe, without putting up a fuss ? +> What we are starting to lose sight of is, that bashing D-FENS is +>the same game as bashing that poor African American slug that Clint Eastwood +>used to blow away all the time. As that arch-WASP (male gender) George C. Scott +>declaimed, ""Americans traditionally LOVE TO WIN. They love a winner, and will +>not tolerate a loser."" And so on. + +Since we are talking in theory and opinion, then I'll put in my $.02. + First, a rebuttle. Personally, I love under-dogs. Unlike +bandwagon jumpers, I abandon teams when they start winning. People that +cheer for winners just because they are winners are insecure people who are +afraid to be associated with something negative. + +> The political implications are simple. If, as many socialists - and +>Democrats - do, you consider society a finite pie to a apportioned in some +>""equitable"" way, then you have to worry about who is a winner and who is a +>loser to tell whose side you are on. That could be black women today, Asian +>homosexuals tommorrow, and yes indeed, white men some yet to be determined +>day when the balance of the pie has finally swung against that (39%) +>minority. + +On this one point, I agree. The reason that people bash WASP's is +because they have been on top for a long time. Whoever is on top is +going to oppress whoever is below them so that they can stay on top. +If Hannibal had pushed on to Rome after his victory at Cannae we might +all be bashing the blacks for oppressing us peacefull white people +for all these centuries. I seriously doubt that if the blacks had +conquered the world that they would have treated their colonies any +better/worse than the whites did. + The white race did some unspeakable things to the other races of +the world. But they only did what any other conquering race would have done +(ie. Khan). The real question is, should we carry over that blame to the +present generation who didn't participate in the crimes? Would it do +any good? Has it done Bosnia any good? They are fighting wars that stopped +hundreds, even thousands, of years ago. + My opinion is, if there are inequities now, then let's change +them. But don't blame me for what my ancestors did. It wouldn't settle +anything anyway. + +> Either way you go, the way of the Winner is no longer the way to be +>popular - at least after you graduate from High School (but you'll still +>be popular at High School reunions). But it beats being a Nerd, as I +>would imagine Michael Douglas would now agree, and in the long run, it +>is the only way to go. + +That's where you are dead wrong. You don't join up on a side just because +they are winning. That makes you spineless. Winning, in high school and +after high school, is still the best way to be popular, but it doesn't make +you right. All the best causes in history were loosing causes (with only +a couple exceptions). Winning only makes a difference to other people, not +to yourself. And what good is the opinions of other people if they only care +how you appear (ie. a Winner). + + If you can't beat them, fight them every inch of the way. + +>Bill R. + +------------------------------------------------------------------------------ +""At that moment the bottom fell out of Authur's mind. Garrett Johnson + His eyes turned inside out. His feet began to leak out Garrett@Ingres.com + of the top of his head. The room folded flat around him, + spun around, shifted out of existence and left him sliding + into his own naval."" - Douglas Adams +------------------------------------------------------------------------------ +";18;True +"From: ab245@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Sam Latonia) +Subject: Re: Date is stuck +Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) +Lines: 7 +NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu + + +I can't imagine why someone would leave their computer on all of +the time to start with. Its like leaving your lights tv, radio +and everything in the house on all of the time to me.....Nuts +-- +Gosh..I think I just installed a virus..It was called MS DOS6... +Don't copy that floppy..BURN IT...I just love Windows...CRASH... +";5;True +"From: prg@mgweed!mgwhiz.att.com (Phil Gunsul) +Subject: Re: Let's Talk Phillies +Organization: AT&T Information Systems +Lines: 33 + +In article <1993Apr16.060540.27397@adobe.com>, snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols) writes: +| In article <1993Apr15.232551.14817@leland.Stanford.EDU> eechen@leland.Stanford.EDU (Emery Ethan Chen) writes: +| >One phrase for you....&%#! YOU!!!! +| >Thanks. +| +| Perhaps it's time to start rec.sport.baseball.graffiti, where the kiddies +| can go yell taunts and insults at each other and leave the rest of us in +| peace. +| +| Sherri Nichols +| snichols@adobe.com + + + +Well Sherri, I'd agree with you except that most 'kiddies' have more sense than +to spew their obscenities in front of a group of adults.. + +I try to edit this newsgroup and feed it to one of the local elementary schools, +they have a group of students that just love baseball and are learning to use +computers, but I'm telling you, it's gotten to the point that I don't even edit +the files anymore, just read them and throw out the trash... And thanks to all +you people that think it's wonderful to include a swear word or two in your +signature files, that's really nice... I have to read the whole article and +then toss it out because of the .sig. Don't get me wrong, I know all the words you +do, (and I've even made up some of my own!) or I wouldn't be able to edit them out ;^) +but this just doesn't seem to be the place, a public forum, to spew foul language, +sorry.. + +Thanks to all you people that keep in mind, there might be some decent, young +people, interested in baseball and computers reading this newsgroup.. They enjoy +your articles. + +Phil +";14;True +"From: eggertj@moses.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41) +Subject: Re: DID HE REALLY RISE??? +Reply-To: eggertj@atc.ll.mit.edu +Organization: MIT Lincoln Lab - Group 41 +Lines: 13 + +In article reedr@cgsvax.claremont.edu writes: +> The real problem was +> that Christians were pacifist and preached there was only one god. When the +> state operates by a system of divinitation of the emperor - monotheism +> becomes a capital offense. The Jews were able to get exemption from this, +> and were also not evangelistic. + +I disagree with your claim that Jews were not evangelistic (except in +the narrow sense of the word). Jewish proselytism was widespread. +There are numerous accounts of Jewish proselytism, both in the New +Testament and in Roman and Greek documents of the day. +-- +=Jim eggertj@atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert) +";17;True +"From: jodfishe@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (joseph dale fisher) +Subject: Going permanent no-mail +Organization: Indiana University +Lines: 8 + +Well, it's that time of year again here at IU: graduation. +Unfortunately, this means that I am out of here, more than likely for +good. I cannot say if I'll be in here under another username or not, or +even if I'll ever get back in here at all. I am leaving this part of my +ministry to another brother, John Right. So, have fun and remember that +flaming can be considered slander. + +Joe Fisher +";17;True +"From: news@cbnewsk.att.com +Subject: Re: An agnostic's question +Organization: AT&T Bell Labs +Lines: 42 + +In article jdt@voodoo.ca.boeing.com (Jim Tomlinson (jimt II)) writes: +>Pardon me if this is the wrong newsgroup. I would describe myself as +>an agnostic, in so far as I'm sure there is no single, universal +>supreme being, but if there is one and it is just, we will surely be +>judged on whether we lived good lives, striving to achieve that +>goodness that is within the power of each of us. Now, the +>complication is that one of my best friends has become very +>fundamentalist. That would normally be a non-issue with me, but he +>feels it is his responsibility to proselytize me (which I guess it is, +>according to his faith). This is a great strain to our friendship... + +Sorry to disappoint you, but I'm afraid your friendship is in danger. +Perhaps you should examine in yourself why as such a good friend, you +are unwilling to accept this imortant part of your friends life? Why +do you call into question his faith? Your friend has changed, he has +found something that fills a need in his life. You need to decide if +you are still his friend, whether you can accommodate his new life. +It sounds as if you are criticizing him for a fundamental belief in +the Bible, yet you are quick to reveal that your fundamental belief +that it is superstition. Perhaps if he knew you at least took him +seriously, that you at least took an interest in the light he has found, +that you at least tried to understand what has become a special part of +his life, you could together decide to become fundamentalists, respect +each others differences and remain friends, or part ways. Maybe even if +you stuck it out with him, you could help him to un-convert. Of course, +if you go in with that attitude he will surely see through your intentions +and begin to resent you. + +I happen to be a person very tolerant of fundamentalists, because I know +that the idea of a simple black and white approach to life is appealing. +I don't happen to share the beliefs of fundamentalists, but I am not +offended by their prosyletizing. I had a few good conversations with +some Witnesses who came to my door. I didn't switch my beliefs, but for +those at home who maybe need a friendly face to invite them somewhere, +the Witnesses provide a wonderful service. You may have been conditioned +to believe that religion is unimportant and witnessing is obnoxious, but +why? Are you afraid you might be converted and become one of them, that +you will be swept up in fundamentalism, that you will become a weirdo. +Friendship's a two-way street. You must respect your friend, ALL of him, +including his beliefs, if you want the friendship to continue. + +Joe Moore +";17;True +"From: ani@ms.uky.edu (Aniruddha B. Deglurkar) +Subject: help: Splitting a trimming region along a mesh +Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences +Lines: 28 + + + + Hi, + + I have a problem, I hope some of the 'gurus' can help me solve. + + Background of the problem: + I have a rectangular mesh in the uv domain, i.e the mesh is a + mapping of a 3d Bezier patch into 2d. The area in this domain + which is inside a trimming loop had to be rendered. The trimming + loop is a set of 2d Bezier curve segments. + For the sake of notation: the mesh is made up of cells. + + My problem is this : + The trimming area has to be split up into individual smaller + cells bounded by the trimming curve segments. If a cell + is wholly inside the area...then it is output as a whole , + else it is trivially rejected. + + Does any body know how thiss can be done, or is there any algo. + somewhere for doing this. + + Any help would be appreciated. + + Thanks, + Ani. +-- +To get irritated is human, to stay cool, divine. +";1;True +"From: bgendler@opus.starlab.CSc.COM (Bruce Gendler) +Subject: X/GL widget translation problem +Article-I.D.: opus.9304221524.AA05029 +Organization: The Internet +Lines: 14 +To: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu + +I am writing a custom widget to support the display of graphics +and imagery. The user of the widget will be able to specify, +when creating it, whether it is to operate in X or GL mode. + +I have set up translations and actions to handle mouse button +presses. They work fine when the widget is in X mode. In GL +mode they only work when the widget (my GL/X widget) is a child +of a manager. Put another way, the translations do not work +when the widget is configured in GL mode and is a child of a +shell. Does anyone know why this is happening? + +Thanks in advance. +Bruce Gendler +bgendler@csc.com +";12;True +"From: gmw0622@venus.tamu.edu (Mr. Grinch) +Subject: Re: Limiting Govt (was Re: Employment (was Re: Why not concentrate...) +Organization: GrinchCo +Lines: 52 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: venus.tamu.edu +Summary: Limited governments versus failed governments +News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 + +In article <1993Apr18.172531.10946@isc-br.isc-br.com>, steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks) writes... +> +:Of course, one again faces the question of how one circumscribes government +:power (and keeps it circumscribed) in a complex society when it is in the +:interest of neither capitalists nor consumers to refrain from using +:government power for their own ends. But apart from that little +:conundrum... +> + Without having a complete answer to this question, I should think +it obvious that the first step should be to convince people this would be +a desirable result. There are still quite a lot of people who feel that +the command economies of eastern Europe failed due to corruption rather than +essential weaknesses of caommand economies, and you still have a majority +in this nation that favors keeping unenforced and unenforcible laws on +the books in order to ""send a signal"". + + +:It would seem that a society with a ""failed"" government would be an ideal +:setting for libertarian ideals to be implemented. Now why do you suppose +:that never seems to occur?... + + +I fail to see why you should feel this way in the first place. Constant +combat isn't particularly conducive to intellectual theorizing. Also, +they tend to get invaded before they can come to anything like a stable +society anyway. + + +>>...""regulation"" is such a vauge word... +> +:I wouldn't call it ""vague."" I'd call it elastic. All ""regulation"" is +:not necessarily the same. By opposing all government regulation, some +:libertarians treat every system from a command economy to those that +:regulate relatively free markets as identical. That's one reason +:many of the rest of us find their analysis to be simplistic. +> + +Umm, is there any distinction between ""vague"" and ""elastic"" in this +context aside from one having a more positive connotation than the other? + +At any rate, we've been through all this before. + +:Steve Hendricks | DOMAIN: steveh@thor.ISC-BR.COM +:""One thing about data, it sure does cut| UUCP: ...!uunet!isc-br!thor!steveh +: the bulls**t."" - R. Hofferbert | Ma Bell: 509 838-8826 + + +Incidentally, this is a libertarian newsgroup, you can get away with +saying, ""bullshit"" here. You're welcome, + + +Mr. Grinch +";18;True +"From: pburry@manitou.cse.dnd.ca (Paul Burry) +Subject: Re: IDE vs SCSI +Organization: Canadian System Security Centre +Lines: 15 + +In article guyd@austin.ibm.com (Guy Dawson) writes: +|> int eh same article the PC would will get plug and play SCSI {from the +|> article it seems you get plug and play SCSI-1 only since SCSI-2 in FULL +|> implimentation has TEN NOT 7 devices.} +| +|I beleive this last bit is just plain wrong! + +I believe you are right. Both SCSI and SCSI-2 support 8 devices on the bus +(normally that would be the host controller and 7 targets) each of which +may have up to 8 logical units (LUNs). +-- +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= +Paul Burry +Voice: (613)-991-7325 Internet: pburry@cse.dnd.ca +Fax: (613)-991-7323 UUCP: ..!{uunet,cunews}!cse.dnd.ca!pburry +";5;True +"From: euatno@eua.ericsson.se (Tomas Nopp) +Subject: Re: Too Many Europeans in NHL +Nntp-Posting-Host: euas27c42.eua.ericsson.se +Nntp-Posting-User: euatno +Organization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden +Lines: 78 + +rauser@fraser.sfu.ca (Richard John Rauser) writes: + + + +> Ten years ago, the number of Europeans in the NHL was roughly a quarter +>of what it is now. Going into the 1992/93 season, the numbers of Euros on +>NHL teams have escalated to the following stats: + +>Canadians: 400 +>Americans: 100 +>Europeans: 100 + +> Please note that these numbers are rounded off, and taken from the top +>25 players on each of the 24 teams. My source is the Vancouver Sun. + +> Here's the point: there are far too many Europeans in the NHL. I am sick +>of watching a game between an American and a Canadian team (let's say, the +>Red Wings and the Canucks) and seeing names like ""Bure"" ""Konstantinov"" and +>""Borshevshky"". Is this North America or isn't it? Toronto, Detriot, Quebec, +>and Edmonton are particularly annoying, but the numbers of Euros on other +>teams is getting worse as well. + +Is the answer as simple as that you dislike russians??? + +> I live in Vancouver and if I hear one more word about ""Pavel Bure, the +>Russian Rocket"" I will completely throw up. As it is now, every time I see +>the Canucks play I keep hoping someone will cross-check Bure into the +>plexiglass so hard they have to carry him out on a stretcher. (By the way, +>I'm not a Canucks fan to begin with ;-). + +>Okay, the stretcher remark was a little carried away. But the point is that +>I resent NHL owners drafting all these Europeans INSTEAD of Canadians (and +>some Americans). It denies young Canadians the opportunity to play in THEIR +>NORTH AMERICAN LEAGUE and instead gives it to Europeans, who aren't even +>better hockey players. It's all hype. This ""European mystique"" is sickening, +>but until NHL owners get over it, Canadian and American players will continue +>to have to fight harder to get drafted into their own league. + +> With the numbers of Euros in the NHL escalating, the problem is clearly +>only getting worse. + +And where would canadian hockey be today without the europeans?? Dont say +that the european influence on the league has been all bad for the game. +I mean, look at the way you play these days. Less fights and more hockey. +Imho, canadian hockey has had a positive curve of development since the +70's when the game was more brute than beauty...... + +> I'm all for the creation of a European Hockey League, and let the Bures +>and Selannes of the world play on their own continent. + +Oh, look!! You don't like Finns either.... + +> I just don't want them on mine. +Too bad almost all of you northamericans originates from europe..... + +Hmmm... And what kind of a name is Rauser. Doesn't sound very ""canadian"" to +me. ;-) + +PS. When analyzing teams like Italy, France and Great Britain you find that +a lot of their players are ""Canadians"" with double citizenship... DS +> +> +>-- +>Richard J. Rauser ""You have no idea what you're doing."" +>rauser@sfu.ca ""Oh, don't worry about that. We're professional +>WNI outlaws - we do this for a living."" +>----------------- +>""Remember, no matter where you go, there you are."" -Dr.Banzai + _________________ __________ + / _ , /l / + _/__()_/))_(/_/)_ _/ L/_()_/)_/)_ + / / +******************************************************************** +* Tomas Nopp Tel : +46 8 727 33 24 * +* Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs Fax : +46 8 647 80 59 * +* Box 1505 Email : Tomas.Nopp@eua.ericsson.se * +* S-125 25 ALVSJO <------ Snailmail * +******************************************************************** +";13;True +"From: v119matc@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Claus Schwinge) +Subject: Needed, large, fast backup utility +Organization: University at Buffalo +Lines: 15 +News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 +Nntp-Posting-Host: ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu + +I'm looking for a better method to back up files. Currently using a MaynStream +250Q that uses DC 6250 tapes. I will need to have a capacity of 600 Mb to 1Gb +for future backups. Only DOS files. + +I would be VERY appreciative of information about backup devices or +manufacturers of these products. Flopticals, DAT, tape, anything. +If possible, please include price, backup speed, manufacturer (phone #?), +and opinions about the quality/reliability. + +Please E-Mail, I'll send summaries to those interested. + +Thanx in advance, + +-Claus Schwinge +-SUNYAB Student Finances and Records +";5;True +"Subject: Re: GUI Application Frameworks for Windows ?? +From: stefan@olson.acme.gen.nz (Stefan Olson) +Lines: 32 + +In <1993Apr12.154418.14463@cimlinc.uucp> bharper@cimlinc.uucp (Brett Harper) writes: +>Hello, +> +> I'm investigating the purchase of an Object Oriented Application Framework. I have +>come across a few that look good: + +> Zapp 1.1 from Inmark +> Zinc 3.5 from Zinc software +> C++/Views from Liant +> Win++ from Blaise + +>Some considerations I'm using: + +> Being new to Windows programming (I'm from the UNIX/X world), the quality and +>intuitivness of the abstraction that these class libraries provide is very +>important. However, since I'm not adverse to learning the internals of Windows +>programming, the new programming methodology should be closely aligned with +>the native one. I don't believe arbitrary levels of abstraction, just for the +>sake of changing the API, are valuable. + +The Microsoft Founation classes (afx) that come with C/C++ 7.0 (and +Visual C++) are very good, they already have a version for NT, +it comes with source code, and is very close to the navtive API. +It also as some classes to manage data structures... + +...Stefan + +-- +------------------------------------------------------------------------ + Stefan Olson Mail: stefan@olson.acme.gen.nz + Kindness in giving creates love. +------------------------------------------------------------------------ +";6;True +"From: zappala@pollux.usc.edu (Daniel Zappala) +Subject: Re: Marlins first 3 RBI +Article-I.D.: pollux.1psiepINNlj0 +Distribution: world +Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA +Lines: 18 +NNTP-Posting-Host: pollux.usc.edu + + +In article <1psgriINNi1@rpco10.acslab.umbc.edu>, cs106116@umbc.edu (cs106116) writes: +|> +|> Hey, +|> +|> I was watching the Orioles' game on TV yesterday (Monday) +|> when a report came in to the booth that the first 3 runs came +|> in on a three-run single. Did this really happen? If it did, +|> how? They said that the leadoff man knocked them in. What +|> exactly happened. Thanks. +|> + +Walt Weiss tripled just barely inside the right field line and into the +corner, driving in Santiago and Conine. These were the first two +RBIs. The third came later when Weiss was knocked in. + + +Daniel +";14;True +"From: d9hh@dtek.chalmers.se (Henrik Harmsen) +Subject: Re: 16 million vs 65 thousand colors +Nntp-Posting-Host: hacke11.dtek.chalmers.se +Organization: Chalmers University of Technology, Gothenburg Sweden +Lines: 37 + +andrey@cco.caltech.edu (Andre T. Yew) writes: + +>d9hh@dtek.chalmers.se (Henrik Harmsen) writes: + +>>1-4 bits per R/G/B gives horrible machbanding visible in almost any picture. + +>>5 bits per R/G/B (32768, 65000 colors) gives visible machbanding + +>>color-gradient picture has _almost_ no machbanding. This color-resolution is + +>>see some small machbanding on the smooth color-gradient picture, but all in all, +>>There _ARE_ situiations where you get visible mach-banding even in +>>a 24 bit card. If +>>you create a very smooth color gradient of dark-green-white-yellow +>>or something and turn +>>up the contrast on the monitor, you will probably see some mach-banding. + +> While I don't mean to damn Henrik's attempt to be helpful here, +>he's using a common misconception that should be corrected. + +> Mach banding will occur for any image. It is not the color +>quantization you see when you don't have enough bits. It is the +>human eye's response to transitions or edges between intensities. +>The result is that colors near the transistion look brighter on +>the brighter side and darker on the darker side. + +>--Andre + +Yeah, of course... The term 'mach banding' was not the correct one, it should've +been 'color quantization effect'. Although a bad color quantization effect could +result in some visible mach-bands on a picture that was smooth before it was +quantizised. + +-- +Henrik Harmsen Internet: d9hh@dtek.chalmers.se + Chalmers University of Technology, Sweden. + ""I haven't lost my mind -- it's backed up on tape somewhere."" +";1;True +"From: andrew@idacom.hp.com (Andrew Scott) +Subject: USENET Hockey Draft week 26 price list +Organization: Hewlett-Packard, IDACOM Telecommunications Division +Lines: 264 + +Here is the price list for the week April 6 to April 12. + + - Andrew + +Buy Sell Pts Team Player +157.5 141.8 150 PIT Mario_Lemieux +152.1 136.9 143 BUF Pat_LaFontaine +139.3 125.4 131 BOS Adam_Oates +133.8 120.4 129 DET Steve_Yzerman +132.9 119.6 125 WPG Teemu_Selanne +132.9 119.6 125 TOR Doug_Gilmour +130.9 117.8 120 NYI Pierre_Turgeon +129.7 116.7 122 BUF Alexander_Mogilny +126.0 113.4 117 PHI Mark_Recchi +120.2 108.2 113 LA Luc_Robitaille +115.9 104.3 109 QUE Mats_Sundin +111.3 100.2 106 PIT 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20.6 21 HFD Mikael_Nylander +55.0 20.1 21 MIN Brent_Gilchrist +55.0 19.6 20 NYR Phil_Bourque +55.0 19.6 20 NYI Ray_Ferraro +55.0 18.6 19 HFD Yvon_Corriveau +55.0 18.2 19 EDM Martin_Gelinas +55.0 17.7 19 DET Jim_Hiller +55.0 17.6 18 NYI Darius_Kasparaitis +55.0 17.5 18 PHI Andrei_Lomakin +55.0 17.2 18 BUF Donald_Audette +55.0 15.5 16 TB Roman_Hamrlik +55.0 15.1 16 SJ Mark_Pederson +55.0 14.2 15 PIT Martin_Straka +55.0 12.4 13 NJ Janne_Ojanen +55.0 12.4 13 OTT Tomas_Jelinek +55.0 11.5 12 CHI Joe_Murphy +55.0 10.8 11 NYR Peter_Andersson +55.0 10.6 11 TB Steve_Kasper +55.0 10.5 11 BOS Cam_Neely +55.0 9.5 10 MIN Bobby_Smith +55.0 9.5 10 SJ Ray_Whitney +55.0 8.8 9 HFD Robert_Petrovicky +55.0 8.6 9 BUF Viktor_Gordijuk +55.0 7.7 8 QUE Mikhail_Tatarinov +55.0 7.7 8 TOR Joe_Sacco +55.0 7.6 8 SJ Peter_Ahola +55.0 6.7 7 CHI Rob_Brown +55.0 6.7 7 BOS Glen_Murray +55.0 5.9 6 HFD Tim_Kerr +55.0 4.9 5 WSH Reggie_Savage +55.0 4.8 5 STL Vitali_Prokhorov +55.0 4.8 5 LA Robert_Lang +55.0 4.8 5 EDM Shaun_Van_Allen +55.0 3.9 4 BOS Jozef_Stumpel +55.0 3.9 4 MIN Dan_Quinn +55.0 3.8 4 PIT Bryan_Fogarty +55.0 3.7 4 DET Viacheslav_Kozlov +55.0 2.9 3 TB Stan_Drulia +55.0 2.9 3 MIN Brian_Propp +55.0 2.9 3 MTL Olav_Petrov +55.0 2.0 2 WSH Jason_Woolley +55.0 1.9 2 NJ Claude_Vilgrain +55.0 0.0 0 VAN Igor_Larionov +55.0 0.0 0 TB Brent_Gretzky +55.0 0.0 0 OTT Alexei_Yashin +55.0 0.0 0 QUE Peter_Forsberg +55.0 0.0 0 EDM Dean_McAmmond +55.0 0.0 0 WSH Brian_Sakic +55.0 0.0 0 WSH Randy_Burridge +55.0 0.0 0 MTL Patrick_Kjellberg +55.0 0.0 0 CGY Cory_Stillman +55.0 0.0 0 CHI Sergei_Krivokrasov +55.0 0.0 0 BUF Jason_Dawe +-- +Andrew Scott | andrew@idacom.hp.com +HP IDACOM Telecom Operation | (403) 462-0666 ext. 253 + +During the Roman Era, 28 was considered old... +";13;True +"From: reedr@cgsvax.claremont.edu +Subject: Re: DID HE REALLY RISE??? +Organization: The Claremont Graduate School +Lines: 15 + +In article , eggertj@moses.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41) writes: + +> I disagree with your claim that Jews were not evangelistic (except in +> the narrow sense of the word). Jewish proselytism was widespread. +> There are numerous accounts of Jewish proselytism, both in the New +> Testament and in Roman and Greek documents of the day. + +Jim, + +Please feel free to correct me and give me some texts. As far as I can see the +only text which vaugely relates to jewish evangelism is found in Mt. 23:15. +However since this is found only in Mt. it cannot be dated before 90CE which +makes it unusefull for understanding Second Temple Judaism. + +randy +";17;True +"From: scasburn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steven M Casburn) +Subject: Re: Do people want stats? +Nntp-Posting-Host: magnusug.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu +Organization: The Ohio State University +Lines: 19 + +In article <10010717@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> dougs@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Doug Steele) wri +tes: +> This is a ""Top 10"" posting for the AL. +> +> HOME RUNS HITS +> Batter Team HRs Batter Team HITS +> Gonzalez Tex 5 Baerga Cle 13 +> Palmer Tex 4 Phillips Det 13 + + Did anyone think that Texas would have the top two home run leaders at a +given point in the season and neither one would be Jose Canseco? + + Steve +[] +-- + Steve Casburn (scasburn@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu) + ""I personally despair of results from anything but violent and ruthless + truth-telling -- that will work in the end, even if slowly"" + -- John Maynard Keynes, 1919 +";14;True +"From: wcsbeau@alfred.carleton.ca (OPIRG) +Subject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition? +Organization: Carleton University, Ottawa, Canada +Lines: 44 + +In article <1993Apr16.194316.25522@ohsu.edu> tong@ohsu.edu (Gong Tong) writes: +>In article <1993Apr16.155123.447@cunews.carleton.ca> wcsbeau@alfred.carleton.ca (OPIRG) writes: +>> +>>For cites on MSG, look up almost anything by John W. Olney, a +>>toxicologist who has studied the effects of MSG on the brain and on +>>development. It is undisputed in the literature that MSG is an +>>excitotoxic food additive, and that its major constituent, glutamate +>>is essentially the premierie neurotransmitter in the mammalian brain +>>(humans included). Too much in the diet, and the system gets thrown +>>off. Glutamate and aspartate, also an excitotoxin are necessary in +>>small amounts, and are freely available in many foods, but the amounts +>>added by industry are far above the amounts that would normally be +>>encountered in a ny single food. By eating lots of junk food, +>>packaged soups, and diet soft drinks, it is possible to jack your +>>blood levels so high, that anyone with a sensitivity to these +>>compounds will suffer numerous *real* physi9logical effects. +>>Read Olney's review paper in Prog. Brain Res, 1988, and check *his* +>>sources. They are impecable. There is no dispute. +>> +>> --Dianne Murray wcsbeau@ccs.carleton.ca +> +>In order to excitotoxin effects of MSG, MSG that in blood must go through +>blood-brain barrier that I am not sure MSG can go through or not. + +Elevated levels of Glu and Asp in the blood are able to bypass the +Blood-brain barrier through the circumventricular organs (or CVO), in +particular the adeno and neurohypophysis (pituitary gland) areas. The +arcuate nucleus of the hypothalamus, and the median eminence regions +are particularly effected. CVO areas are not subject to the +blood-brain barrier. These areas control the release of gonadotropin, +which controls the release and flux of steroids governing development, +especially sexual development. Changes in adult rats, which are less +sensitive to Glu than humans, have been observed: after ingesting Glu, +on a chronic basis, cycles of several steroids are disrupted. Blood +levels of somatostatin are significantly reduced, and cyclic release +of steroids becomes flattened. + + Hope this helps. + --Dianne Murray: wcsbeau@ccs.carleton.ca + + + +";4;True +"From: JBUDDENBERG@vax.cns.muskingum.edu (Jimmy Buddenberg) +Subject: Revelations - BABYLON? +Organization: Muskingum College +Lines: 34 + + +Hello all. We are doing a bible study (at my college) on Revelations. We +have been doing pretty good as far as getting some sort of reasonable +interpretation. We are now on chapters 17 and 18 which talk about the +woman on the beast and the fall of Babylon. I believe the beast is the +Antichrist (some may differ but it seems obvious) and the woman represents +Babylon which stands for Rome or the Roman Catholic Church. What are some +views on this interpretation? Is the falling Babylon in chapter 18 the same +Babylon in as in chapter 17? The Catholic church? +Hate to step on toes. +thanks + +-------- +Jimmy Buddenberg INTERNET: jbuddenberg@vax.cns.muskingum.edu +Muskingum College + +[Reading this imagery as the Roman Catholic Church was certainly +common in earlier Protestant writers. A lot of us find that frankly +embarassing now, though some of our readers will certainly advocate +such a position. The problem is that the description makes it look a +lot like a political entity. It's associated with kings, controls +world commerce, is seated on seven mountains (17:9 -- recall that Rome +is traditionally regarded as built on seven hills). If it's a church, +then it's not the current Roman Catholic church, but a church that has +been taken over by the anti-Christ and merged with the state, turning +into something rather different than it is now. Presumably in such a +scenario the true Catholics are among those who are persecuted. Given +the overall impression that Satan is pretending to be an angel of +light, and the true church is a persecuted remnant, I think the most +consistent playing out of the image would be that the anti-Christ +would be presiding over a church that claims to be the heir of both +the Protestant and Catholic traditions, but that the true spiritual +descendants of both Peter and the Reformers are equally being +persecuted. --clh] +";17;True +"From: ralph.buttigieg@f635.n713.z3.fido.zeta.org.au (Ralph Buttigieg) +Subject: Why not give $1 billion to first year-lo +Organization: Fidonet. Gate admin is fido@socs.uts.edu.au +Lines: 34 + +Original to: keithley@apple.com +G'day keithley@apple.com + +21 Apr 93 22:25, keithley@apple.com wrote to All: + + kc> keithley@apple.com (Craig Keithley), via Kralizec 3:713/602 + + + kc> But back to the contest goals, there was a recent article in AW&ST +about a + kc> low cost (it's all relative...) manned return to the moon. A General + kc> Dynamics scheme involving a Titan IV & Shuttle to lift a Centaur upper + kc> stage, LEV, and crew capsule. The mission consists of delivering two + kc> unmanned payloads to the lunar surface, followed by a manned mission. + kc> Total cost: US was $10-$13 billion. Joint ESA(?)/NASA project was +$6-$9 + kc> billion for the US share. + + kc> moon for a year. Hmmm. Not really practical. Anyone got a + kc> cheaper/better way of delivering 15-20 tonnes to the lunar surface +within + kc> the decade? Anyone have a more precise guess about how much a year's + kc> supply of consumables and equipment would weigh? + +Why not modify the GD plan into Zurbrin's Compact Moon Direct scheme? let +one of those early flight carry an O2 plant and make your own. + +ta + +Ralph + +--- GoldED 2.41+ + * Origin: VULCAN'S WORLD - Sydney Australia (02) 635-1204 3:713/6 +(3:713/635) +";2;True +"From: rgooch@rp.CSIRO.AU (Richard Gooch) +Subject: Re: Animation with XPutImage()? +Organization: CSIRO Division of Radiophysics/Australia Telescope National Facility +Lines: 41 + +In article <1993Apr21.165310.14544@dsd.es.com>, pmartz@dsd.es.com (Paul Martz) writes: +> In article <1993Apr21.154620.16330@infodev.cam.ac.uk>, dcr@mail.ast.cam.ac.uk (Derek C. Richardson) writes: +> > Hi, I'm new to this group so please bear with me! +> > +> > Two years ago I wrote a Sunview application for fast animation +> > of raster files. With Sunview becoming rapidly obselete, I've +> > finally decided to rewrite everything from scratch in XView. +> > I put together a quick test, and I've found that XPutImage() +> > is considerably slower (factor of 2 on average?) than the +> > Sunview command pw_rop() which moves image data from memory +> > pixrects to a canvas. This was on a Sparc IPX. It seems that: +> > (1) the X protocol communication is slowing things down; or +> > (2) XPutImage is inefficient...or both! +> +> Using XPutImage, your source is maintained by the client and the +> destination is maintained by the server, thus you incur the overhead +> of transporting through whatever client-server communications +> mechanism you are using. +> +> Is it possible for you to maintain your source images in pixmaps? +> These are maintained by the server, so copying them into a window is +> much cheaper. +> +> Also make sure you are not sending any unnecessary XSyncs, or running +> in XSynchonize mode. + + If you need speed, and your client can run on the same host as the X server, + you should use the shared memory extension to the sample X server (MIT-SHM). + xdpyinfo will tell you if your server has this extension. This is certainly + available with the sample MIT X server running under SunOS. + A word of warning: make sure your kernel is configured to support shared + memory. And another word of warning: OpenWindows is slower than the MIT + server. + I have written an imaging tool (using XView for the GUI, by the way) which + yields over 10 frames per second for 512*512*8 bit images, running on a Sparc + IPC (half the cpu grunt of an IPX). This has proved quite sufficient for + animations. + + Regards, + + Richard Gooch.... +";12;True +"From: lady@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Lee Lady) +Subject: Re: Science and Methodology +Summary: Merely avoiding mistakes doesn't get you anywhere. +Organization: University of Hawaii (Mathematics Dept) +Expires: Mon, 10 May 1993 10:00:00 GMT +Lines: 57 + +In article <1993Apr11.015518.21198@sbcs.sunysb.edu> mhollowa@ic.sunysb.edu + (Michael Holloway) writes: +>In article lady@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu + (Lee Lady) writes: +>>I would also like to point out that most of the arguments about science +>>in sci.med, sci.psychology, etc. are not about cases where people are +>>rejecting scientific argument/evidence/proof. They are about cases where +>>no adequate scientific research has been done. (In some cases, there is +>>quite a bit of evidence, but it isn't in a format to fit doctrinaire +>>conceptions of what science is.) +> +>Here it is again. This indicates confusion between ""proof"" and the process +>of doing science. + +You are making precisely one of the points I wanted to make. +I fully agree with you that there is a big distinction between the +*process* of science and the end result. + +As an end result of science, one wants to get results that are +objectively verifiable. But there is nothing objective about the +*process* of science. + +If good empirical research were done and showed that there is some merit +to homeopathic remedies, this would certainly be valuable information. +But it would still not mean that homeopathy qualifies as a science. This +is where you and I disagree with Turpin. In order to have science, one +must have a theoretical structure that makes sense, not a mere +collection of empirically validated random hypotheses. + +Experiment and empirical studies are an important part of science, but +they are merely the culmination of scientific research. The most +important part of true scientific methodology is SCIENTIFIC THINKING. +Without this, one does not have any hypotheses worth testing. (No, +hypotheses do not just leap out at you after you look at enough data. +Nor do they simply come to you in a flash one day while you're shaving or +looking out the window. At least not unless you've done a lot of really +good thinking beforehand.) + +The difference between a Nobel Prize level scientist and a mediocre +scientist does not lie in the quality of their empirical methodology. +It depends on the quality of their THINKING. + +It really bothers me that so many graduate students seem to believe that +they are doing science merely because they are conducting empirical +studies. And it bothers me even more that there are many fields, such as +certain parts of psychology, where there seems to be no thinking at all, +but mere studies testing ad hoc hypotheses. + +And I'm especially offended by Russell Turpin's repeated assertion that +science amounts to nothing more than avoiding mistakes. Simply avoiding +mistakes doesn't get you anywhere. + +-- +In the arguments between behaviorists and cognitivists, psychology seems +less like a science than a collection of competing religious sects. + +lady@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu lady@uhunix.bitnet +";4;True +"Distribution: world +From: bruce_linde@bmug.org +Organization: BMUG, Inc. +Subject: eight 4mb 70ns simms $105/ea., o.b.o. +Lines: 14 + +a friend of mine has eight (8) 4mb 70ns simms for sale for $105/each or best +offer. since techworks sells these puppies for $140/ea., you may want to +contact him directly at: + +steve epstein +895-6236 days +706-2436 evenings + +thanks, +bruce l. + +**** From Planet BMUG, the FirstClass BBS of BMUG. The message contained in +**** this posting does not in any way reflect BMUG's official views. + +";0;True +"From: plkg_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Paul K. Gloger) +Subject: Mostly non-computer items (Rochester area) +Nntp-Posting-Host: uhura.cc.rochester.edu +Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York +Lines: 51 + + + SWELL ITEMS FOR SALE - HARDLY ANY COMPUTER STUFF + +o LOTUS 1-2-3 Student Edition for DOS ...................... $10.00 + This does just about everything that standard 1-2-3 + Release 2.01 could do, but not as much of it. Worksheet + size is limited to 64 columns by 256 rows, there is no + translation facility (for importing data from other + packages), and the Student Edition does not write files + that can be accessed by Release 2.01. Includes manual, + original distribution diskettes (5 1/4"" - 360K), and key + board templates. + + +o Subaru Service Manuals ................................... $10.00 + This is not a complete set, but includes sections 4, 5 + & 6 which cover MECHANICAL COMPONENTS (suspension, wheels + & axles, steering, brakes, pedals & control cables, heater + & ventilator, air conditioning), BODY (body & exterior, + doors & windows, seats, seat belts, interior, instrument + panel), and ELECTRICAL (engine electrical system, body + electrical system, wiring diagram, and trouble-shooting). + These are the genuine Subaru issue manuals. They are for + model year 1986, but have plenty of good information that + applies to other years as well. + + +o Miscellaneous Darkroom Equipment ........................ $75.00 + Solar enlarger (several objective lenses) with easel and + timer, negative carriers for 35mm and 2 1/4 x 3 1/4, misc. + printing masks. Developing tanks, thermometer, trays, + constant-temperature bath, ground glass, mirrors, darkroom + lamps, glassware, el-cheap-o tripods..... and (as they say) + MUCH MORE! + + +o Beautiful Antique Buffet ............................... $1500.00 + Solid cherry (no veneer). Handmade, with very interesting + dovetail corners in the drawers. Built (we think) around + 1880. Not gaudy or covered with gew-gaws; a simple, elegant + piece of furniture, but too big (60"" long, 37"" tall, 24"" + deep) for our little Cape Cod house. + + +Will deliver pricier items (ie, over $10) anywhere in the Rochester +area. (And will consider delivering the others.) Will deliver any +of it on (or near) UofR Campus between now and graduation. + +Call or E-Mail: Paul or Mary + (716) 359-2350 (Just south of Rochester, NY) + plkg_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu +";8;True +"From: chloupek@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu +Subject: Re: NC vs Hunt (Marine Gay Bashing in Wilmington NC) verdict +Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Physics +Lines: 27 + +In article , mattm@apple.com (Matthew Melmon) writes: +> +> Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway, I was under the impression that the Marines +> in question invited Clinton down for the same treatment. While a +> bar fight is a bar fight, threatening the Commander in Chief seems +> a rather unprofessional thing for a professional soldier to do... +> +> +Also, it appears that two of the three Marines have some sort of charges +pending against them from another fight they were in a week before. +Interesting. + +Frank + + +-------------------------------------------------------------------------- + +Frank R. Chloupek +CHLOUPEK@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu +Department of Physics -- *The* Ohio State University +(Not just any Ohio State University) + +""There is only one hard-and-fast rule about the place to have a party: +somebody else's place."" + --P.J. O'Rourke + + +";18;True +"From: claebaur@shell.portal.com (Tony S Annese) +Subject: Re: Utility for updating Win.ini and system.ini +Nntp-Posting-Host: jobe +Organization: Portal Communications Company -- 408/973-9111 (voice) 408/973-8091 (data) +Lines: 10 + +In article <1993Apr20.130933.26571@lut.ac.uk> A.D.Bailey@lut.ac.uk (Adrian D.Bailey) writes: +>In Windows 3.0 there is a built-in called sysedit.exe that is just what you +>need. Windows 3.1 I don't know...... + +It's there..... +-- +/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ +Tony Annese claebaur@shell.portal.com + -or- claebaur@cup.portal.com +\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ +";6;True +"From: mark@luke.cray.com (Mark Dean) +Subject: Re: Ford and the auto +Nntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-29970]: luke.navo.navy.mil +Reply-To: crayce1@pops.navo.navy.mil +Organization: Cray Research +Lines: 20 + +> Hello, my name is Russell Wong and I am doing a research project on Henry +> Ford and his automobile. I need information on whether Ford is +> partially responsible for all of the car accidents and the depletion of +> the ozone layer. Also, any other additional information will be greatly +> appreciated. Thanks. + + +>So would Mr. Benz.. -Eh? + +>And Mr. Chevy, Mr. Toyokogio, and Mr (Insert Car name here...) + + +>--- +>Dan Reed - blu@cellar.org - Eat Your Pets - Poke Out Your Eyes - Kill Your +>Boss - Burn Down Your House - Move To Elmer NJ - Rip Out Your Nose Hairs With +>A Lead Holder - Use X-Acto Knives For Dental Work - Hit Your Mother....... + +People get a life !!!!!!!!!! + + MD +";10;True +"From: ray@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Ray Lauff) +Subject: The Abyss on LaserDisc +Organization: Temple University +Lines: 21 +Nntp-Posting-Host: astro.ocis.temple.edu +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] + +[ Article crossposted from temple.forsale ] +[ Author was Ray Lauff (ray@astro.ocis.temple.edu) ] +[ Posted on Wed, 21 Apr 1993 01:04:27 GMT ] + +Regular CBS/FOX release of the wide screen edition of the movie +The Abyss for sale, asking $30, including postage. I want to +purchase the new director's cut and would like to unload this +LaserDisc if possible. + +Two discs, unopened, 132 minutes, letterbox. + +Email me if interested. + ray@astro.ocis.temple.edu + +Ray + +-- +Ray Lauff | Temple University Computer Services | ray_lauff@astro.temple.edu + +-- +Ray Lauff | Temple University Computer Services | ray_lauff@astro.temple.edu +";8;True +"From: yongje@hardy.u.washington.edu (Yong Je Lim) +Subject: Dealer cheated me with wrong odometer reading. Need help! +Organization: University of Washington, Seattle +Lines: 14 +Distribution: usa +NNTP-Posting-Host: hardy.u.washington.edu + +Here is a story. I bought a car about two weeks ago. I finally can +get hold of the previous owner of the car and got all maintanence +history of the car. In between '91 and '92, the instrument pannel +of the car has been replaced and the odometer also has been reset +to zero. Therefore, the true meter reading is the reading before +replacement plus current mileage. That shows 35000 mile difference +comparing to the mileage on the odometer disclosure from. The +dealer never told me anything about that important story. + +I hope that I can return the car with full refund. Do u think this +is possible? Does anyone have similar experiences? Any comments +will be appreciated. Thanks. + +yongje@u.washington.edu +";10;True +"From: news@cbnewsk.att.com +Subject: Re: What WAS the immaculate conception +Organization: AT&T Bell Labs +Lines: 30 + +In article todd@nickel.laurentian.ca writes: +>{:> Your roommate is correct. The Immaculate Conception refers to +>{:> the conception of Mary in Her mother's womb. +> +>Okay, now that we've defined the Immaculate Conception Doctrine would it +>be possible for those more knowledgeable in the area to give the biblically +>or other support for it. I've attempted to come to terms with it previously +>(in an attempt to understand it for learning purposes) and haven't been able +>to grasp the reasoning. +> +It was a gift from God. I think basically the reasoning was that the +tradition in the Church held that Mary was also without sin as was Jesus. +As the tenets of faith developed, particularly with Augustine, sin was +more and more equated with sex, and thus Mary was assumed to be a virgin +for life (since she never sinned, and since she was the spouse of God, etc.) +Since we also had this notion of original sin, ie. that man is born with +a predisposition to sin, and since Mary did not have this predisposition +because she did not ever sin, she didn't have original sin. When science +discovered the process of conception, the next step was to assume that +Mary was conceived without original sin, the Immaculate Conception. + +Mary at that time appeared to a girl named Bernadette at Lourdes. She +refered to herself as the Immaculate Conception. Since a nine year old +would have no way of knowing about the doctrine, the apparition was deemed +to be true and it sealed the case for the doctrine. + +RCs hold that all revelation comes from two equally important sources, that +being Sacred Scripture and Holy Tradition. In this case, mostly tradition. + +Joe Moore +";17;True +"From: neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Neal Howard) +Subject: Re: Science and methodology (was: Homeopathy ... tradition?) +Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX +Lines: 20 + +In article <1993Apr15.150550.15347@ecsvax.uncecs.edu> ccreegan@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Charles L. Creegan) writes: +> +>What about Kekule's infamous derivation of the idea of benzene rings +>from a daydream of snakes in the fire biting their tails? Is this +>specific enough to count? Certainly it turns up repeatedly in basic +>phil. of sci. texts as an example of the inventive component of +>hypothesizing. + +I sometimes wonder if Kekule's dream wasn't just a wee bit influenced by +aromatic solvent vapors ;-) heh heh. + + +-- +============================================================================= +Neal Howard '91 XLH-1200 DoD #686 CompuTrac, Inc (Richardson, TX) + doh #0000001200 |355o33| neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org + Std disclaimer: My opinions are mine, not CompuTrac's. + ""Let us learn to dream, gentlemen, and then perhaps + we shall learn the truth."" -- August Kekule' (1890) +============================================================================= +";4;True +"From: duvvuri@flashflood.cs.odu.edu (D.V.Prakash) +Subject: Pointer..Xlib +Nntp-Posting-Host: flashflood.cs.odu.edu +Organization: Old Dominion University, Norfolk, Va +Lines: 26 + + +Hi + +I am trying to implement a pointer feature in Xlib + +I have multiple windows and all can take input and +show output simultaneously on all other displays + +I want to implement a pointer feature + +I would like to get the pointer to come up on all windows once +I choose pointer in the menu and every one should be able +to see it + +Can you give me some hints as to how I should proceed +I am new to Xlib + + + +replies will be greatly appreciated + +Thank you + +Prakash +< duvvuri@cs.odu.edu > + +";12;True +"From: ken@sugra.uucp (Kenneth Ng) +Subject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition? +Organization: Private Computer, Totowa, NJ +Lines: 15 + +In article reynold@binah.cc.brandeis.edu (""Susan Reynold (w/out the s)"") writes: +:>I think the scientists are biased towards the food industry or something. +:>Was the article long? Would anyone be interested in posting it? +:a neuroscientist told me that MSG is used as a neurotoxin...that's +:right...some labs use it to ""kill"" neurons in mice and rats + +Vitamin A (and I think vitamin D) in strong enough amounts can kill. The key +words are DOSAGE and EXPOSURE MECHANISM. + +-- +Kenneth Ng +Please reply to ken@blue.njit.edu for now. +""All this might be an elaborate simulation running in a little device sitting +on someone's table"" -- J.L. Picard: ST:TNG +";4;True +"From: eck@panix.com (Mark Eckenwiler) +Subject: Re: The state of justice +Organization: NWO Steering Committee +Lines: 52 + +In <1993Apr15.143320.8618@desire.wright.edu>, demon@desire.wright.edu sez: +> A judge denied GM's new trial motion, even though GM says it has two +>new witnesses that said the occupant of the truck was dead from the +>impact, not from the fire. +> +> Thoughts? +> +> It's kind of scary when you realize that judges are going to start +>denying new trials even when new evidence that contradicts the facts that led +>to the previous ruling appear. + +There's this minor thing called ""interest of finality/repose"". What +it means is that parties aren't dragged into court over and over again +because the losing side ""discovers"" some ""new"" evidence. I don't know +about you, Brett, but I suspect GM had the resources to find just +about as many expert and fact witnesses as it wanted before the trial +started. Letting them re-open the case now is practically an +invitation to every civil litigant on earth to keep an ace in the hole +in case the verdict goes against him. + +BTW, in federal criminal cases, Rule 33 does permit a motion for a new +trial ""based on . . . *newly discovered* evidence"" if made within 2 +years of the verdict. (Emphasis mine.) If you're trying to make a +backhanded point about criminal justice in a discussion that has +little to do with criminal trials -- as the estimable David Brock did +in his amusing WSJ piece last week -- save your breath. + + + +> Or has the judge decided that the new witnesses are not to be +>believed? +>Shouldn't that be up to a jury? + +Yup. Which is why they shoulda been brought around the first time +through. + + +> And what about members of the previous jury parading through the talk +>shows proclaiming their obvious bias against GM? Shouldn't that be enough for +>a judge to through out the old verdict and call for a new trial? +> Whatever happened to jurors having to be objective? + +Unless there's some reason to believe that this supposed bias predated +the trial (as opposed to being a product of it), and that GM was +unfairly prevented from discovering it (by venireman concealment or +otherwise), why should GM be allowed to complain? + +-- +MORAL: Always Choose the Right Sort of Parents + Before You Start in to be Rough + - George Ade + Mark Eckenwiler eck@panix.com ...!cmcl2!panix!eck +";18;True +"From: barnettj@pookie.crd.ge.com (Janet A Barnett) +Subject: Input Focus to a Window Other Than Where the Pointer Is +Nntp-Posting-Host: pookie.crd.ge.com +Organization: GE Corp. Research & Development, Schenectady, NY +Lines: 21 + + +I have noticed in FrameMaker 3.1X on both the SGI and SUN platforms +that certain dialogs, such as ""Column Layout..."" for example, respond +to keyboard traversal even though the pointer is NOT in the dialog +window and even though the window manager keyboard focus policy is +POINTER. + +How is this done? + +I would like to emulate this behavior in my application. It seems a +reasonable behavior since when a dialog is popped up from a keyboard +action, the dialog is not guaranteed to be under the pointer and the +user should not have to reach for the mouse just to move the focus. + +Alternatively, I'm open to any suggestions as to what is the ""right"" +way to insure that popups get the focus when they appear, particularly +when they are invoked from the keyboard and one's keyboard focus +policy is pointer. + +Allen Barnett +(whose wife graciously allowed to use her account) +";12;True +"From: djb@silverton.berkeley.edu (D. J. Bernstein) +Subject: Re: Off the shelf cheap DES keyseach machine +Organization: IR +Lines: 12 + +In article <1993Apr21.132318.16981@ulysses.att.com> smb@research.att.com (Steven Bellovin) writes: +> And key size is one of the things that can be +> verified externally. + +Gee. Say they feed the 80-bit key through Snefru-8 and take the first 60 +bits of the result, then use those 60 bits as the real key. How do you +figure out that each key is one of 2^20 ``equal'' keys? You can try a +birthday attack, but if the key can be changed only once a second then +you will need several lifetimes to get reliable statistics. Somehow I +don't think you could catch the NSA at this sort of skulduggery. + +---Dan +";16;True +"From: rjk@world.std.com (Robert J. Kolker) +Subject: Odds and Ends +Keywords: Cheap shots a Christianity +Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA +Lines: 46 + +Just a few cheap shots a Christianity: + +Riddle: What is the shortest street in Jerusalem? +Answer: The Street of the Righteous Poles. + +Limrick: + +There was an archeologist Thostle +Who found an amazing fossil +By the way it was bent +And the knot it the end +'twas the penis of Paul the Apostle. + +Jingle: +Christianity hits the spot +Twelve Apostles thats a lot +Jesus Christ and a Virgin too +Christianity's the faith for you +(with apologies to Pepsi Cola and its famous jingle) + +Riddle: +How many Christians does it take to save a light bulb. +Answer: None, only Jesus can save. + +Aphorism: +Jesus Saves +Moses Invests + +Proof that Jesus was Jewish: +1. He lived at home till he was 33 +2. He went into his fathers business +3. He thought he mother was a virgin +4. His mother thought he was God. + +QED. + +So long you all + +Bob Kolker +""I would rather spend eternity in Hell with interesting people +than eternity in Heaven with Christians"" + + +-- +""If you can't love the Constitution, then at least hate the Government"" + +";19;True +"From: andre@bae.bellcore.com (Andre Cosma) +Subject: Is authentication a planned feature for X11R6? +Nntp-Posting-Host: broccoli.bae.bellcore.com +Organization: Bellcore +Distribution: na +Lines: 15 + +Greetings, + +My question is whether the upcoming release of X11R6 will provide +(strong) authentication between the X clients and server(s). If so, +will this feature be based on the Kerberos authentication mechanism +(and, if so, will Kerberos Version 5 be used)? Please reply via email. + +Thanks, + +--Andre +-- +Andre S. Cosma | RRC 1N-215 | Bellcore - Security and +andre@bae.bellcore.com | 444 Hoes Lane | Data Services +(908) 699-8441 | Piscataway, NJ 08854| +---------------------------------------------------------------------- +";12;True +"From: shz@mare.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude) +Subject: Re: Live Free, but Quietly, or Die +Organization: Office of 'Tude Licensing +Nntp-Posting-Host: binky +Lines: 7 + +In article <1qegpf$d0i@sixgun.East.Sun.COM>, egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) writes: +> I know it sounds ludicrous for a biker to advocate restrictions on +> biking in a biking forum, + +Don't you mean ""former motorcyclist?"" + +- Roid +";7;True +"From: shmuel@mapsut.einstein.com (Shmuel Einstein) +Subject: Screen capture -> CYMK converter +Nntp-Posting-Host: mapsut.einstein.com +Organization: Shmuel Einstein & Associates, Inc. +Lines: 20 + +I have a small program to extract a 640x480 image from a vga 16 color screen, +and store that image in a TIFF file. I need to insert the image into a +sales brochure, which I then need printed in 4 color. On a mac, I would +use Photoshop to separate the image into 5 EPS files, and then pull it into +quark express, then get it printed to film on a lintronix at a service bureau. + +However, I don't have a mac, but I do have windows. What would I need to +do this type of operation in the windows 3.1 environment? Are there any +separation programs available on the net? Is there a good page layout program +that I should look into? + +Thanks in advance. + + +-- +Shmuel Einstein, shmuel@einstein.com +Shmuel Einstein & Associates, Inc. +9100 Wilshire Blvd, Suite 235 E +Beverly Hills, CA 90212 +310/273-8971 FAX 310/273-8872 +";1;True +"From: halat@pooh.bears (Jim Halat) +Subject: Re: The Inimitable Rushdie (Re: An Anecdote about Islam +Reply-To: halat@pooh.bears (Jim Halat) +Lines: 37 + +In article <30121@ursa.bear.com>, halat@pooh.bears (Jim Halat) writes: +>In article <115288@bu.edu>, jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes: +>> +>>He'd have to be precise about is rejection of God and his leaving Islam. +>>One is perfectly free to be muslim and to doubt and question the +>>existence of God, so long as one does not _reject_ God. I am sure that +>>Rushdie has be now made his atheism clear in front of a sufficient +>>number of proper witnesses. The question in regard to the legal issue +>>is his status at the time the crime was committed. +> + +I'll also add that it is impossible to actually tell when one +_rejects_ god. Therefore, you choose to punish only those who +_talk_ about it. + +> +>-jim halat + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +";9;True +"From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) +Subject: Re: Fingernail ""moons"" +Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) +Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science +Lines: 16 + +In article <733196190.AA00076@calcom.socal.com> Daniel.Prince@f129.n102.z1.calcom.socal.com (Daniel Prince) writes: + +>I only have lunulas on my thumbs. Is there any medical +>significance to that finding? Thank you in advance for all +>replies. +> + +Try peeling the skin back at the base of your other fingernails +(not too hard, now, don't want to hurt yourself). You'll find +nice little lunulas there if you can peel it back enough. + +-- +---------------------------------------------------------------------------- +Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and +geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" +---------------------------------------------------------------------------- +";4;True +"From: slc@a2.cim.cdc.com (Steve Chesney x4662) +Subject: Diamond Speedstar 24X Driver Bug? +Reply-To: slc@.cdc.com +Organization: Metaphase Technology, Inc. +Keywords: Speedstar +Lines: 23 + +Since swapping out my generic VGA card for a Diamod Speedstar 24X, I have +noticed two new problems: + +* if I create a windowed MS-DOS session (386 mode), when the text starts + to scroll, rather than printing characters it starts to print + horizontal lines that spill out to the desktop and trash the entire + display. Ctrl-alt-del terminates the dos window and restores the + desktop + +* after a short time in NCD's PC X-remote for windows, all characters + displayed on the desktop are changed to be unreadable; I am unable to + restore without rebooting. + +These are in both 256 and 16 color 800x600 drivers, large and small fonts. +DOS 5, Win 3.1, emm386 and smartdrv installed. + +I like the speed of the card and have had no other problems. Any ideas? +Thanks! +-- +Steve Chesney slc@catherine.cim.cdc.com +Metaphase Technology Inc. 612-482-4662 (voice) +4233 North Lexington Avenue 612-482-4001 (fax) +Arden Hills, MN 55126 +";6;True +"From: nerone@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Michael Nerone) +Subject: Re: Newsgroup Split +Organization: The University of Texas at Austin +Lines: 25 +Distribution: world + <1993Apr19.193758.12091@unocal.com> + <1quvdoINN3e7@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> +NNTP-Posting-Host: sylvester.cc.utexas.edu +In-reply-to: tdawson@engin.umich.edu's message of 19 Apr 1993 19:43:52 GMT + +In article <1quvdoINN3e7@srvr1.engin.umich.edu>, tdawson@engin.umich.edu (Chris Herringshaw) writes: + + CH> Concerning the proposed newsgroup split, I personally am not in + CH> favor of doing this. I learn an awful lot about all aspects of + CH> graphics by reading this group, from code to hardware to + CH> algorithms. I just think making 5 different groups out of this + CH> is a wate, and will only result in a few posts a week per group. + CH> I kind of like the convenience of having one big forum for + CH> discussing all aspects of graphics. Anyone else feel this way? + CH> Just curious. + +I must agree. There is a dizzying number of c.s.amiga.* newsgroups +already. In addition, there are very few issues which fall cleanly +into one of these categories. + +Also, it is readily observable that the current spectrum of amiga +groups is already plagued with mega-crossposting; thus the group-split +would not, in all likelihood, bring about a more structured +environment. + +-- + /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\/~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\ + / Michael Nerone \""I shall do so with my customary lack of tact; and\ + / Internet Address: \since you have asked for this, you will be obliged\ +/nerone@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu\to pardon it.""-Sagredo, fictional char of Galileo.\ +";1;True +"From: bc744@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Ira Kaufman) +Subject: Re: rejoinder. Questions to Israelis +Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) +Lines: 38 +NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu + + + Although I realize that principle is not one of your strongest +points, I would still like to know why do do not ask any question +of this sort about the Arab countries. + + If you want to continue this think tank charade of yours, your +fixation on Israel must stop. You might have to start asking the +same sort of questions of Arab countries as well. You realize it +would not work, as the Arab countries' treatment of Jews over the +last several decades is so bad that your fixation on Israel would +begin to look like the biased attack that it is. + + Everyone in this group recognizes that your stupid 'Center for +Policy Research' is nothing more than a fancy name for some bigot +who hates Israel. + + Why don't you try being honest about your hatred of Israel? I +have heard that your family once lived in Israel, but the members +of your family could not cut the competition there. Is this true +about your family? Is this true about you? Is this actually not +about Israel, but is really a personal vendetta? Why are you not +the least bit objective about Israel? Do you think that the name +of your phony-baloney center hides your bias in the least? Get a +clue, Mr. Davidsson. Haven't you realized yet that when you post +such stupidity in this group, you are going to incur answers from +people who are armed with the truth? Haven't you realized that a +piece of selective data here and a piece there does not make up a +truth? Haven't you realized that you are in over your head? The +people who read this group are not as stupid as you would hope or +need them to be. This is not the place for such pseudo-analysis. +You will be continually ripped to shreds, until you start to show +some regard for objectivity. Or you can continue to show what an +anti-Israel zealot you are, trying to disguise your bias behind a +pompous name like the 'Center for Policy Research.' You ought to +know that you are a laughing stock, your 'Center' is considered a +joke, and until you either go away, or make at least some attempt +to be objective, you will have a place of honor among the clowns, +bigots, and idiots of Usenet. +";15;True +"From: L.H.Wood@lut.ac.uk +Subject: An 8051 simulator - is example code available? +Reply-To: L.H.Wood@lut.ac.uk (Lloyd Wood) +Organization: Loughborough University, UK. +Lines: 25 + +Hello world, + +I'm attempting to write an 8051 simulator on an IBM PC for teaching +purposes, so that first-year elec-eng students can 'see' the workings +of the microcontroller as it performs operations - logical ands, for +example, being shown on a bit-by-bit basis (1 AND 1 = 1) so that the +students can see that it's not really a mystical process, but totally +logical, for example. Every instruction should show some 'working', +and not just alter register/memory/port contents. + +Does anyone know of any freely-available example simulation code, +in Pascal or Modula-2, that would show me where I'm going wrong +in writing my simulator? [I'm using Ayala's -The 8051 Microcontroller- +as a reference - the simulator supplied with the package is overkill +for simple teaching purposes, I feel, and there's no source code to help +you roll your own.] + +Please email me if you can help, or if you know of somewhere more +appropriate I should be posting this - I rarely scan these groups. + +Thanks, + +Lloyd Wood +L.H.Wood@lut.ac.uk + +";5;True +"From: casper@vxcrna.cern.ch (CASPER,DAVI./PPE) +Subject: Re: American Jewish Congress Open Letter to Clinton +News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 +Organization: European Organization for Nuclear Research, CERN +Lines: 84 + +In article , arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) writes... +>In article <22APR199300374349@vxcrna.cern.ch> casper@vxcrna.cern.ch (CASPER,DAVI./PPE) writes: +>> [I complained about the US taking the point in Bosnia, when the Europeans +>> should be doing it] +> [Ken says the Bosnians are morally superior to the Serbians...] + +>This implies both sides are equal. True, it may sometimes be difficult or +>impossible to determine which side is the victim, but that does not mean that +>victims do not exist. + +Yes, victims exist. There are a staggering number of victims in the world and +more each day. I think on balance, intervention would create more victims, +including American ones. Since the first responsibility of the US government +is to protect Americans, I think they serve that role best by staying away +from Bosnia and other regional conflicts. + +>Would you, in WWII have said that there were atrocities +>on the sides of both the Jews and the Germans? + +Of course not. The Jews were not trying to carve a territory out of Germany +either, and except for small-scale resistance and a few larger uprisings, did +not have an army or a government. + +>>These people have been butchering each other for centuries. When one +>>side wins and gets what it wants, it will stop. +> +>Yes, but both sides want different things. The Muslims chiefly want to not +>be ""ethnic cleansed"". The Serbians want to ""ethnic cleanse"" the Muslims. It +>is indeed true that each side will stop when it gets what it wants, but the +>things that the two sides want are not equivalent. + +I see the pattern of atrocities as a fairly often practiced tactic of a +colonizing power - driving away and/or eliminating the population of an +area they want to control. The US tried basically that in Vietnam, the Iraqis +in Kuwait, the Israelis in Palestine, South Africa, etc, etc, etc. It sucks, +it's ugly, and it's saddening. But it is not genocide. + +It is not my impression that the Serbs want to eliminate every Muslim in +Yugoslavia. I still say the Bosnians are getting their asses kicked; they +should surrender and evacuate the areas they can't hold. + +> [I said the fixation on Bosnia is due to it being in a European country, +> rather than the third world] +> +>I recall, before we did anything for Somalia, (apparent) left-wingers saying +>that the reason everyone was more willing to send troops to Bosnia than to +>Somalia was because the Somalis are third-worlders who Americans consider +>unworthy of help. They suddenly shut up when the US decided to send troops to +>the opposite place than that predicted by the theory. + +I am a staunch Republican, BTW. The irony of arguing against military +intervention with arguments based on Vietnam has not escaped me. I was opposed +to US intervention in Somalia for the same reasons, although clearly it was +not nearly as risky. + +>For that matter, this theory of yours suggests that Americans should want to +>help the Serbs. After all, they're Christian, and the Muslims are not. If +>the desire to intervene in Bosnia is based on racism against people that are +>less like us, why does everyone _want_ to help the side that _is_ less like us? +>Especially if both of the sides are equal as you seem to think? + +Well, one thing you have to remember is, the press likes a good story. Good +for business, don't you know. And BTW, not ""everyone"" wants to help the +side that is less like us. + +I never said the two sides were morally equivalent, I said neither one is +innocent. + +There are just too many good reasons to stay away: + +1) The Europeans are perfectly able to deal with this dispute on their borders + in any way we do it. Put another way, we have no assistance to offer the + Europeans which they do not already possess themselves. It is not good to + promote the idea in anyone's mind that the United States is responsible + for cleaning up every bloody mess in the world. + +2) Clinton is not the man to lead this country into a military adventure. Full + stop. + +3) It is by no means clear what intervention would accomplish, nor that it + would necessarily help the victims. It is not clear what the goal is and + at what point any commitment could be ended. + + +";15;True +"From: daa7365@tamuts.tamu.edu (Diego A. Aranda) +Subject: Windows Shareware Monthly (INFORMATION) +Article-I.D.: tamsun.1ps35rINNfpd +Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station +Lines: 100 +NNTP-Posting-Host: tamuts.tamu.edu + + +Windows Shareware Monthly (WSM) is an on-line forum for information about the +newest and best Windows 3.x and NT shareware/freeware software. + +WSM is a compilation of submissions from shareware/freeware authors in a single +Windows .HLP (Help System) file. All types of software may be submitted for +entry in WSM - utilities, applications, games, programming tools, etc. + +WSM benefits Windows shareware/freeware authors by allowing them to publicize +their software releases, inform users of updated versions, and to increase +their installed base of users. Those searching for specific Windows software +will benefit by having a complete list of available software available at their +fingertips - complete with feature lists, current prices, and any other +relevant information. + +Windows software authors may submit entries to Windows Shareware Monthly in the +following manner: + +1. Compose a short summary of the function of the software. Include all + special features which are unique to your product and which set it apart + from other programs in the genre. Be sure to include specific details + such as: the current release version, where the software is available, + how much the registration fee costs, how much disk space is required, any + special requirements (e.g. sound card, or VBRUN200.DLL, etc.), how the + author may be contacted, etc. Because text is highly compressible, the + summary may be as long as is necessary, however, it is best to keep it + short. A good guideline is a single screenful of 12-point text at 640x480 + resolution. Order forms and other such addendum may be included if desired. + All submissions whould be in plain text (ASCII) format. Formatting will + be exactly as it is submitted - I will simply cut and paste text files + into a Help Authoring system. If you require special formatting + conventions - such as boldface text or italics, or a larger font size, + indicate so CLEARLY within the text file. For best results, use Windows + NotePad to create the .TXT file. + +2. Include up to 100k of Windows-format .BMP (bitmap) screen-shots which + display the workings or special features of each program. Special cases + (rendering applications for example) which require 256-color bitmaps may + submit up to 250k of .BMP files - all other should observe the 100k limit + and use 16-color format. For maximum compatiblity with the software which + will be used to create the WSM .HLP file (Stefan Olson's Help Writer's + Assistant for Windows), please save the bitmaps with Windows Paintbrush or + WinGIF. + +3. Include a 16-color .BMP of the program's icon (.ICO file). Many programs + are available to convert .ICO to .BMP format, or Windows Paintbrush may be + used. The .BMP will be embedded in the summary text. + +4. Double-check for spelling errors, formatting corrections, etc. + +5. Compress the .TXT file, the .BMP of the program icon, and any additional + .BMPs into a single file using PKZIP (any version). + +6. Submit the entry by UUENCODING the .ZIPfile, and e-mailing it to: + + DAA7365@TAMUTS.TAMU.EDU + + if submitting via the Internet or Compuserve. If submitting via America + Online, send a brief message indicating submission, and append the .ZIP + file, then e-mail to: + + DiegoAA + +7. If any changes are required, or a new version is released, complete + the above procedures again. Send all submissions to the @TAMUTS address, + and any comments, suggestions, criticisms, to DAA7365@RIGEL.TAMU.EDU. + +All entries received before the deadline will be included in the subsequent +edition of WSM. The editor will not be held responsible for any errors, and +we reserve the right to make changes to the entries. + +WSM is not limited to shareware/freeware software. A special area will be +devoted to commercially available Windows 3.x and NT software. Commercial +software authors should follow the same steps above, with the exception of +the limitations on size - the .TXT file and .BMPs may be as large as required +(and as large as is practical for transmission over phone lines). There +is no charge for the publishing of either shareware/freeware or commercial +product entries. + +Advertisements for computer hardware, software, bulletin boards, etc. may +be submitted as well. Again, the same procedures apply, with the exception of +the size limitations. There is no charge for advertising space. The first +ten advertisements submitted each month will be included; subsequent +submissions will not be included due to size constraints. + +WSM is currently looking for persons willing to devote the time to author +columns within WSM. A C/C++ programing section, a Visual Basic section, and +two Windows-specific opinion/advice columns are envisioned. All work will +be on a voluntary basis. If you wish to aid WSM and author a monthly column +on one of the above topics, please send us mail at DAA7365@TAMUTS.TAMU.EDU or +DiegoAA on America Online. + +The first edition of WSM will be distributed May 1st via America Online, +Compuserve, and the Internet. The deadline for submissions is April 28th. +The first edition filename will be WSM-1.ZIP, with each subsequent monthly +release continuing in the series naming convention (WSM-2.ZIP, etc.). Each +edition will be released on the first of each month, and the deadline for +submission will be at least three days before release. + + +";6;True +"From: franks@ntrc25.ntrc.ntu.ac.sg (Frank Siebenlist) +Subject: Powerbook 170 freezes after 18 seconds; Help! +Nntp-Posting-Host: ntrc25.ntrc.ntu.ac.sg +Organization: /home/franks/.organization +Distribution: comp +Lines: 20 + + +A few days ago, my powerbook starts to freeze after appr. 18 seconds of inactivity. +It stays alive as long as a program is actively running or as long as the mouse is moved. + +Did anyone experience similar problems? +Any known fixes? + +Please reply by email as I can't read this newsgroup normally. + +Regards, Mike Fisher (efisher@ntu.ac.sg) +-- +--------------------------------------------------- +Frank Siebenlist +Senior Research Fellow +GINTIC Institute of Manufacturing Technology (GIMT) +Nanyang Technological University (NTU) +Nanyang Avenue +Singapore 2263 +Tel: +65 799-1215 Fax: +65 791-6377 +--------------------------------------------------- +";0;True +"Organization: Queen's University at Kingston +From: +Subject: Re: ADC card for computer +Distribution: world +Lines: 54 + +In article <1qi8e3$b5e@lll-winken.llnl.gov>, you say: +> +>I would like to digitize the output of a SQUID magnetometer (range -10 V +>to +10 V) and do digital signal processing in a computer, say a Macintosh +>II or a 486 PC. I would like a good 16 bit ADC with good linearity and a +>high conversion speed, at least 50 kHz, preferably 200 kHz. Other concerns +> +>(2) Must I use an ADC external to my computer to avoid digital noise +> feedback into my sensitive SQUID electronics? + +Might be a good idea... The resolution you requested is about 0.3mV +In order to get what you've paid for, noise level better be lower than +that. It is kind of hard to do it in a noisy box like you can expect +inside a PC. + +Before you pay $$$ for a PC card, test it out by sampling a low +distortion sine wave (I think there is a sine wave on a CD. Digital +Domain ? There are possibly other low THD sources) Run the digitized +waveform through a FFT transform and take alook at the noise floor on +the spectrum. That's should give you a good indication of the design. +(That's what I am doing to test a data acquistion system I have designed +- I got the idea from MAXIM data sheet.) + +If you can live with 14 bit resolution, I would recommend looking at +the MAX121 from MAXIM. It is a high speed (308KHz) complete +sampling A/D with DSP interface. The input range is +/- 5V and it +uses a serial interface (which can easily be optically isolated +from the computer to elinimate a major noise source) The Analog design +guide I got from them shows a -100db noise level. They claim a -77db +max (-85 typ.) THD. Looks pretty good for the $12 @ 1000 pieces + +A evaluation kit is available. Might want to give these nice folks a +call. 1-800-998-8800 or fax: (408)737-7194 and (408) 737-7600 ext4000 +for application assistance. + +This assumes that you can build your own DAS and write your own software. +(Hey you can get the MAX121 as a free sample just by calling the 1-800 #) + +>I would appreciate discussion of your personal experience with a Mac or PC- +>based ADC system. + +I would recommend you to find out the resolution that can be gotten out +of your system by looking at the noise level, otherwise you might be +throwing out your money. + +>Charles Cunningham +>cec@imager.llnl.gov + +K. C. Lee +Elec. Eng. Grad. Student + +I have no connection with MAXIM except I do in general recommend +companies that give samples to students to others. I feel they +deserve that for being nice to me. +";11;True +"From: PXY@ECLX.PSU.EDU (Pen-Li Yen) +Subject: Slide projectors trade for photo equipments +Organization: Penn State Engineering Computer Lab +Lines: 17 +Distribution: usa +NNTP-Posting-Host: eclx.psu.edu +X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24 + +There are many people want to buy my Kodak autofocus carousel projectors +but I don't have lenses or remote to sell. They prefer to buy a projector +with all accessaries. So I have to post another news asking for lenses +to fit those Kodak slide projectors: + +I am willing to give away Singer Caramate II or Singer Caramete SP ( +w/ built-in unremovable lens, built-in casette player, speaker, new 500 HR +bulb) try to trade for Kodak projector lenses. + +Each projector (viewer) will equal trade for 1 or 2 Kodak projector lenses +depend on the focal length. I will pay for the shipping for Singer +projector (viewer). + +Since I don't need those Singer projectors, if you have some 35mm SLR system +you don't need, I am willing to do the trade as well. + +Yuesea +";8;True +"From: Desiree_Bradley@mindlink.bc.ca (Desiree Bradley) +Subject: Being right about messiahs +Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada +Lines: 39 + +I must have missed the postings about Waco, David Koresh, and the Second +Coming. How does one tell if a Second Coming is the real thing, unless the +person claiming to be IT is obviously insane? + +I'm not saying that David Koresh is the Second Coming of Christ. How could +somebody who breaks his word be the Second Coming? Koresh did promise that +he would come out of his compound if only he was allowed to give a radio +broadcast. He didn't. Still it seems to me that he did fool some people. + +And, from my meagre knowledge of the Bible, it seems that Christians have +been hard on the Jews of Christ's day for being cautious about accepting +somebody that their religious authorities didn't accept as the Messiah. + +So I was surprised that nobody had discussed the difficulty of wanting to be +early to recognize the Second Coming while, at the same time, not wanting to +be credulously believing just anybody who claims to be God. + +[Mark 13:21 And then if any one says to you, 'Look, here is the Christ!' +or 'Look, there he is!' do not believe it. +Mark 13:22 False Christs and false prophets will arise and show signs and +wonders, to lead astray, if possible, the elect. +Mark 13:23 But take heed; I have told you all things beforehand. +Mark 13:24 ""But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun will be +darkened, and the moon will not give its light, +Mark 13:25 and the stars will be falling from heaven, and the powers in +the heavens will be shaken. +Mark 13:26 And then they will see the Son of man coming in clouds with +great power and glory. + +My understanding of Jesus' answer is that, unlike his first coming, +which was veiled, the second coming will be quite unmistakeable. He's +telling us not to be misled by the other things that have to happen +before his second coming -- the actual second coming will make his +power openly visible. + +By the way, from Koresh's public statement it's not so clear to me +that he is claiming to be Christ. + +--clh] +";17;True +"From: sprec-j@acsu.buffalo.edu (Joel Sprechman ) +Subject: Cleaning EuroWiper Boots? +Organization: UB +Lines: 15 +Nntp-Posting-Host: autarch.acsu.buffalo.edu + +I have the EuroWiper boots in White and had to throw away the first pair +since I found no way of cleaning them after they looked almost black. Now +I have my second pair of white ones and once again they are dirty. I need +a way to clean them w/o removing them since I had to cut them to remove +them, is there a way? Or should I just buy black ones? +thanks +-Joel + +---------------------------------------------------------------------------- +Joel Sprechman sprec-j@acsu.buffalo.edu +University at Buffalo v069pff7@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu + +""It's not a black/white thing, it's a homosapian thing"" +""It takes a big man to cry, and an even bigger man to laugh at that man"" +-Jack Handy +";10;True +"Subject: Re: Jewish Baseball Players? +From: rbd@flash.ece.uc.edu (Bobby Davis) +Organization: University of Cincinnati +NNTP-Posting-Host: flash.ece.uc.edu +Lines: 5 + +Hank Greenberg was probably the greatest ever. He was also subject to a +lot of heckling from bigots on the opposing teams and in the stands, but +it never seemed to affect his performance negatively. + +Bob Davis rbd@thor.ece.uc.edu +";14;True +"From: cmwolf@mtu.edu (Engineer by Day - Asleep by Night) +Subject: Re: Los Angeles Freeway traffic reports +Organization: Michigan Technological University +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] +Lines: 21 + +Charlie Brett (cfb@fc.hp.com) wrote: +: You were right the second time, it is KNX. Believe it or not, I also +: listen to KNX in the evenings here in Colorado! It's kind of fun driving +: through the country listening to traffic jams on the 405. Back to your +: original question. Yes, there are sensors just past every on-ramp and +: off-ramp on the freeways. They're the same sensors used at most stoplights +: now (coils in the pavement). You might want to give CalTrans a call or +: even ask Bill Keene (KNX's traffic reporter). I doubt if just anyone can +: get the information, but it would be worth asking just in case you can +: get it. + +I seem to remember that they sell the information (and a computer connection) +to anyone willing to pay. + +On the subject of the pavement sensors, can anyone tell me more about them? + +-- +------------------------------------------------------------------------------ +Christopher Wolf Electrical Engineer cmwolf@mtu.edu +------------------------------------------------------------------------------ + Remember, even if you win the Rat Race - You're still a rat. +";11;True +"From: meyers@leonardo.rtp.dg.com (Bill Meyers) +Subject: Re: The 'pill' for Deer = No Hunting +Organization: N/I +Lines: 114 + +In article <1qk3jm$9sh@transfer.stratus.com> cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes: +>In article <1993Apr14.221646.2332@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu>, jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes: +[ ... ] +>> Why are 'good' neighborhoods 'good' ? It isn't because every +>> person is armed to the teeth. It is because of (1) attitude +>> and (2) cooperation. In the 'good' neighborhoods, the residents +>> make themselves aware of their neighbors and notice when +>> strangers are lurking around. 'Good' neighborhoods form groups +>> like 'crime-watch' to increase this effect, and the relative +>> effectiveness of the police. When hostiles are arrested, the +>> good neighbors step up and say ""THAT'S the one officer ! He +>> was robbing Mr. Jones' house"". +> +>Sometimes this works. Sometimes it just lands your good neighbors +>on the dance card for the next wave of drive-bys. Someone here once +>told a story about LA gangs moving into Phoenix. I've misplaced the + +Here'a a copy, cdt: +------------------------------------------------------------------------ +>Newsgroups: talk.politics.guns,ou.politics +>Path: dg-rtp!psinntp!uunet!sun-barr!ames!haven.umd.edu!darwin.sura.net!wupost!csus.edu!netcom.com!mvp +>From: mvp@netcom.com (Mike Van Pelt) +>Subject: The difference an armed civilian population makes +>Message-ID: +>Date: Thu, 17 Sep 92 23:42:42 GMT +>Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) +>References: +>Lines: 84 +> +>Along the lines of ""The Armed Citizen"", here's a story that +>some of you may find amusing. It's a story about Arizona +>house-hunting, from Leslie Fish, musician and author... +> +>---- +> ... One of the reasons I'm planning to move to Arizona is that -- +>despite its lousy economy, 4-way race problems, simmering religious +>problems and hopelessly bad government -- Arizona has one of the lowest +>violent- crime rates in the country. Is it just coincidence that +>Arizona is also one of the few remaining no-gun- control states in the +>country? +> +> Well, consider this funny story. Last time I was in Phoenix, +>staying with Liz Burnham, I did some checking on the local real-estate +>market (that's when I discovered that, with my income -- as provable by +>my tax returns -- I can qualify for every low-income housing loan in +>the book, with the exception of VA), and I came across an astonishing +>ad in the local market-paper. It offered a three-bedroom house in the +>Phoenix area for -- are you ready for this -- all of $10,000. No money +>down. $100 per month total payments. Christ on a Harley-Davidson! I +>called up the real-estate office making this offer, made it clear that +>I was only checking the local market, and asked about that house. Were +>the walls, roof and foundation structurally sound? Yes. Were the +>plumbing and electrical systems functional and up to code? Yes. Did the +>air-conditioning system (an absolute necessity in Phoenix) work? Yes, +>again. Okay, so what was wrong with the house? Well, it needed lots +>of plastering, painting, yard work, and some patching of the roof -- +>and yes, low-interest repair loans were available. Okay, sez I. If +>that's all that's wrong with it, just why are you selling a 3-bedroom +>house for all of $10,000? Well, squirms the agent, it's in kind of a +>bad neighborhood. How bad? sez I, remembering some of the neighborhoods +>I've seen in Chicago and Oakland. Worst in the city, the agent sighs, +>and then he told me this amazing story. +> +> Every few years, it seems, the big vice-gangs in Los Angeles notice +>that there's no gang presence in Phoenix -- which is just a quick +>5-hour drive from LA -- and get the idea of setting up a subsidiary +>there. Well, a couple years ago, the colonizing force came to this +>neighborhood -- it being poor and Spanish, they figured they could move +>right in and take over -- bought this house and started operations. +>Unfortunately for them, the neighbors not only didn't like this -- they +>didn't care for whores trotting up and down their streets all night, +>pimps soliciting their kids, dope- deals on the corners in broad +>daylight, and so on -- they weren't afraid to do something about it. +>The neighbors called the cops (for some reason, the Phoenix police are +>remarkably honest, capable, polite and prompt), and the cops promptly +>came and swept up all the whores, pimps and pushers off the street and +>away to jail. The remaining gang members decided to retaliate in the +>fashion they usually use in LA; they got the complainant's name and +>address off the court records, and did a drive-by shooting at his +>house. Well, this wasn't Los Angeles. The moment the neighbors heard +>the first gunshots fired, they all ran out their front doors with their +>own guns -- rifles, shotguns, pistols, everything -- and shot back. +> +> The car didn't make it to the end of the block. It coasted to a +>stop, riddled with more holes than the famous Bonnie and Clyde getaway +>car (which I've seen; it's on display in a casino in a casino in Las +>Vegas). The gas tank and fuel lines had been ruptured, so the car +>caught fire. The neighbors waited a good 15 minutes -- making sure +>nobody got out of that car -- before they called the fire department to +>come put out the fire and tow the wreck away. By that time, the asphalt +>under the car had melted and caught fire too, which subsequently left a +>large and nasty pot-hole in the street. The city is slow about +>repairing small streets, so the hole stayed there providing a traffic +>hazard for several months. All this was two years ago, the agent +>concluded, and there's been no trouble since, but the house and the +>neighborhood still have a bad reputation -- and that's why the house +>was so cheap. +> +> Hearing this story, I nearly laughed my ass off. I told the agent +>that if I had the money at the moment, I'd by-god buy the house; this +>was _nothing_ compared to bad neighborhoods I'd seen here in +>California, where drive-by shootings go unchecked by the well-armed +>cops, let alone by the unarmed neighbors. If that's the absolute worst +>you'll find in Phoenix, then that's the city for me. +> +> That's the difference that an armed civilian population makes. +>Think about it. +> +> +>-- +>Mike Van Pelt When guns are outlawed, +>mvp@netcom.com only Carl Rowan will have guns. +>mvp@hsv3.lsil.com +------------------------------------------------------------------------ +";3;True +"From: bcash@crchh410.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Brian Cash) +Subject: Re: New Member +Nntp-Posting-Host: crchh410 +Organization: BNR, Inc. +Lines: 47 + +In article , dfuller@portal.hq.videocart.com (Dave Fuller) writes: +|> Hello. I just started reading this group today, and I think I am going +|> to be a large participant in its daily postings. I liked the section of +|> the FAQ about constructing logical arguments - well done. I am an atheist, +|> but I do not try to turn other people into atheists. I only try to figure +|> why people believe the way they do - I don't much care if they have a +|> different view than I do. When it comes down to it . . . I could be wrong. +|> I am willing to admit the possibility - something religious followers +|> dont seem to have the capability to do. + +Welcome aboard! + +|> +|> I notice alot of posts from Bobby. Why does anybody ever respond to +|> his posts ? He always falls back on the same argument: + +(I think you just answered your own question, there) + +|> +|> ""If the religion is followed it will cause no bad"" +|> +|> He is right. Just because an event was explained by a human to have been +|> done ""in the name of religion"", does not mean that it actually followed +|> the religion. He will always point to the ""ideal"" and say that it wasn't +|> followed so it can't be the reason for the event. There really is no way +|> to argue with him, so why bother. Sure, you may get upset because his +|> answer is blind and not supported factually - but he will win every time +|> with his little argument. I don't think there will be any postings from +|> me in direct response to one of his. + +Most responses were against his postings that spouted the fact that +all atheists are fools/evil for not seeing how peachy Islam is. +I would leave the pro/con arguments of Islam to Fred Rice, who is more +level headed and seems to know more on the subject, anyway. + +|> +|> Happy to be aboard ! + +How did you know I was going to welcome you abord?!? + +|> +|> Dave Fuller +|> dfuller@portal.hq.videocart.com +|> +|> + +Brian /-|-\ +";9;True +"From: gsmith@lauren.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de (Gene W. Smith) +Subject: Re: Mr. Cramer's 'Evidence' +Organization: IWR, University of Heidelberg, Germany +Lines: 17 + +In article phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) +writes: + +>Naw, I think you are. While both organizations may, on paper, support the +>abolition of the age of consent, there the resemblance stops. + +>One supports the removal of a coercive law, the other a paper facade +>to ""legitimize"" sexual relations with children. + +I get it. One organization wants to abolish age of consent laws, +whereas in contrast the other wants to abolish age of consent laws. +This makes it respectable to belong to one organization, but not the +other. + +-- + Gene Ward Smith/Brahms Gang/IWR/Ruprecht-Karls University + gsmith@kalliope.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de +";18;True +"From: nodine@lcs.mit.edu (Mark H. Nodine) +Subject: Re: Quadra SCSI Problems??? +Keywords: Quadra SCSI APS +Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science +Lines: 28 + +In article , johnston@me.udel.edu (Bill Johnston) writes: +|> In article <1993Apr16.144750.1568@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> nodine@lcs.mit.edu (Mark H. Nodine) writes: +|> >I don't know about the specific problem mentioned in your +|> >message, but I definitely had SCSI problems between my +|> >Q700 and my venerable Jasmine Megadrive 10 cartridge +|> >drives. My solution was to get Silverlining. None of +|> >the loops that involved blind writes worked to the drives; +|> >in fact the only loop that worked was the ""Macintosh +|> >Software"" loop (whatever that means). +|> +|> I doubt this is a Quadra-specific problem. I had to get +|> rid of my ""venerable"" Bernoulli 20 last year (with enough +|> cartridges purchased at ~$90 each to make the whole thing +|> worth more than my whole computer ;). The tech support guys +|> at Ocean Microsystems suggested that some third-party drivers +|> might fix the problem - in my case the cartridges wouldn't +|> format/mount/partition for A/UX. + +All I know is that the Megadrives worked perfectly on both my +Mac Plus and my Powerbook 140. It was for this reason I assumed +the problem had something to do with the Quadra. Even with the +Quadra, they mostly worked OK. The problem occurred when I ejected +a cartridge from a drive: it would start popping up dialog boxes +saying ""This cartridge must be formatted with Jasmine Driveware"" +even though there was no cartridge in the drive. + + --Mark + +";0;True +"From: tso@cephalo.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu (Dan Ts'o) +Subject: Re: How much memory for WP for Windows? +Organization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston,Tx +Lines: 8 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: cephalo.neusc.bcm.tmc.edu + +In article <1ps6pjINNdua@rave.larc.nasa.gov> jka@air77.larc.nasa.gov writes: +) The documentation says that Wordperfect for windows, requires 4 M of ram, but +)when I try to install it on my laptop I get a not enough memory error message. +)I've unloaded everything that I possibly could but still, NOT ENOUGH MEMORY. +)Anyone have any ideas as to why this might be happening. + + Are you sure you're not running Windows in real mode ? Is it Windows +3.1 ? Do you have a permanent swapfile built ? +";5;True +"From: scottj@magic.dml.georgetown.edu (John L. Scott) +Subject: Apology (was: Luser!) +Organization: J. Random Misconfigured Site +X-Posted-From: iamac-1.dml.georgetown.edu +NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu +Lines: 10 + +I was shocked to see that the subject of my last rely to awesley was +""Luser!"" That was certainly not my intention. I meant to leave the +subject line unchanged. I believe that the NNTP server I use at columbia +must have put in that subject line in protest over problems with my header. + That was rather rude of them, but beggars can't be choosers, I suppose. + +In any case, I didn't do it and I apologize to awesley for the apparent +insult. + +--John L. Scott +";3;True +"From: tnyurkiw@descartes.uwaterloo.ca (TN) +Subject: definition of 2nd +Organization: University of Waterloo +Lines: 9 + + + The debate over the Second Amendment rages on. +Arguments continue over what a ""well-regulated militia"" +is and what TRKBA means in practical terms. However, the +ONLY authority in this area, is a binding court decision +on the matter. Even a decision in this area is subject to +an overturning by a higher court. Is there anyone who +has the facts of a legal precedent, preferably a Supreme +Court decision on the specific meaning of the 2nd Amendment? +";3;True +"From: djb@silverton.berkeley.edu (D. J. Bernstein) +Subject: Re: Clipper chip -- technical details +Organization: IR +Lines: 15 + +Short summary of what Bellovin says Hellman says the NSA says: There is +a global key G, plus one key U_C for each chip C. The user can choose a +new session key K_P for each phone call P he makes. Chip C knows three +keys: G, its own U_C, and the user's K_P. The government as a whole +knows G and every U_C. Apparently a message M is encrypted as +E_G(E_{U_C}(K_P),C) , E_{K_P}(M). That's it. + +The system as described here can't possibly work. What happens when +someone plugs the above ciphertext into a receiving chip? To get M +the receiving chip needs K_P; to get K_P the receiving chip needs U_C. +The only information it can work with is C. If U_C can be computed +from C then the system is cryptographically useless and the ``key +escrow'' is bullshit. Otherwise how is a message decrypted? + +---Dan +";16;True +"From: ""Mohammad Al-Ansari"" +Subject: Re: 17"" Monitors +Organization: Indiana University Computer Science, Bloomington +Lines: 30 + +In article <1993Apr10.082253.19597@uxmail.ust.hk> cs_ngfo@uxmail.ust.hk (Forrest Normandy) writes: +>I want to buy a 17"" monitor, any comment on Nanno T560i, NEC 5FG, +>SII 17"" ??? +> +>Thanks a lot. +> +>-- +>________________________________________________________________________ +> Forrest Normandy | The Hong Kong University of +> Internet : cs_ngfo@stu.ust.hk | Science and Technology +> E-mail : cs_ngfo@uxmail.ust.hk | Department of Computer Science +> Phone : (852) 358-8631 Rm 608 |------------------------------------ +> Paging : 1128635 a/c 4860 | Rm 608, UG Hall 4, HKUST, Hong Kong +>------------------------------------------------------------------------ + + +Windows Sources Magazine reviewed a number of 17"" monitors recently +and they too said that the Nanao T560i was the best monitor to get if +you had the money. But they also said that the Mitsubishi Diamond Pro +17 is the next best choice and that it has superb picture quality. +This monitor can be had for around $1070. + +Has anyone actually seen any of these? I am also thinking of buying a +17"" monitor and was going to consider the Mitsubishi. If I remember +correctly, I think its viewing area is 16"" measured diagonally. + +Thanks. + +-- +Mohammad Al-Ansari alansari@cs.indiana.edu +";5;True +"From: arc@cco.caltech.edu (Aaron Ray Clements) +Subject: Re: ACLU (was Re: Waco Shootout ...) +Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena +Lines: 22 +NNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu + +jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) writes: + +>In article <1993Mar31.140529.10843@news.cs.indiana.edu> ""Paul Hager"" +> writes: +>> +>> As an old post of mine came up in a collection of posts about +>> the ACLU's position on gun-control, I would like to note that my +>> own position has been evolving. But, I'm still not sure how to +>> answer the question, ""does the 2nd allow me to have my own nuclear +>> device?"" + +>The second amendment does not prohibit it, but it can probably be argued that +>there is no way you can operate one without severely impacting on the safety +>and rights of others, and so might not be permitted on that basis. + +The existence of the weapon in and of itself (and this is also +true for biologics and chemical weapons, but for slightly different +reasons) poses a threat to living critters. Can you say ""neutron +and other radiation flux due to radioactive decay"", boys and girls? + +aaron +arc@cco.caltech.edu +";3;True +"From: james@dlss2 (James Cummings) +Subject: Re: Borland's Paradox Offer +Organization: RedRock Development +Distribution: usa +Lines: 13 + +In article <5031@cvbnetPrime.COM> tbelmont@feds55.prime.com (Tom Belmonte x4858) writes: + |I am considering buying Borland's Paradox for Windows since I + |would like to use a database with Windows (I don't have/use + |one yet) for both work/home use. I would like to advantage + |of Borland's ""$129.95 until April 30"" offer if this package + |is everything that Borland claims it to be. So, I was + |wondering ... has anybody used this and/or have any opinions? + + Yes, and it's pretty much what they claim. I haven't had time to +try all of it. Considering the price, even if you decide you don't like it, +it should be saleable over the next 2-3 months for what you have in it (once +the price goes up). All in all it's very serviceable; and in my humble +opinion, more powerful than Access. +";6;True +"From: phoenix.Princeton.EDU!carlosn (Carlos G. Niederstrasser) +Subject: Reboot when I start windows. +Originator: news@nimaster +Nntp-Posting-Host: week.princeton.edu +Organization: Princeton University +Lines: 21 + +Recently the following problem has arrisen. The first time I turn on my +computer when windows starts (from my autoexec) after the win31 title screen +the computer reboots on its own. Usually the second time (after reboot) or +from the DOS prompt everything works fine. + + s far as I remember I have not changed my config.sys or autoxec.bat or +win.ini. I can't remember whether this problem occured before I +optimized/defragmented my disk and created a larger swap file (Thank you +MathCAD 4 :( ) + +System 386sx, 4MB, stacker 2.0, win31, DOS 5 + +--- +--------------------------------------------------------------------- +| Carlos G. Niederstrasser | Only two things are infinite, | +| Princeton Planetary Society | the universe and human | +| | stupidity, and I'm not sure | +| | about the former. - Einstein | +| carlosn@phoenix.princeton.edu |---------------------------------| +| space@phoenix.princeton.edu | Ad Astra per Ardua Nostra | +--------------------------------------------------------------------- +";6;True +"From: slacelle@gandalf.ca (Stephane Lacelle) +Subject: Bridgman is out +Organization: Gandalf Data Ltd. +Lines: 8 + +The Ottwawa Senators fired Mel Bridgman at 1:00 PM today. +Randy Sexton is gonna replace him. + +-- +===================================================================== +Stephane Lacelle +S/W engineer Insert .sig here +Gandalf Data Ltd +";13;True +"From: mprc@troi.cc.rochester.edu (M. Price) +Subject: Re: phone number of wycliffe translators UK +Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York +Lines: 14 + + + I'm concerned about a recent posting about WBT/SIL. I thought they'd +pretty much been denounced as a right-wing organization involved in +ideological manipulation and cultural interference, including Vietnam +and South America. A commission from Mexican Academia denounced them in +1979 as "" a covert political and ideological institution used by the +U.S. govt as an instrument of control, regulation, penetration, espionage and +repression."" + My concern is that this group may be seen as acceptable and even +praiseworthy by readers of soc.religion.christian. It's important that +Christians don't immediately accept every ""Christian"" organization as +automatically above reproach. + + mp +";17;True +"From: speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer) +Subject: Re: Looking for MOVIES w/ BIKES +Organization: Louisiana Tech University +Lines: 25 +NNTP-Posting-Host: bhm116e-spc.engr.latech.edu +Summary: Bike movies +Keywords: movies + +In article csundh30@ursa.calvin.edu (Charles Sundheim) writes: + +>Folks, + +>I am assembling info for a Film Criticism class final project. + +>Essentially I need any/all movies that use motos in any substantial +>capacity (IE; Fallen Angles, T2, H-D & the Marlboro Man, +>Raising Arizona, etc). +>Any help you fellow r.m'ers could give me would be much `preciated. +>(BTW, a summary of bike(s) or plot is helpful but not necessary) + +Easy Rider (harleys, drugs, rednecks, New Orleans), Mad Max (violence, DoD +wanna-be's), Time Rider (Honda Thumper, Time travel), On Any Sunday +(Documentary about dirtbike racers, GREAT!), The (Great?) Escape (Steve +Mcqueen, Nazis), Rebel Without a Cause (James Dean, future DoD'ers). I +think the last two are right, they are OLD movies I haven't seen in YEARS. + ----===== DoD #8177 = Technician(Dr. Speed) .NOT. Student =====---- + + Stolen Taglines... + * God is real, unless declared integer. * + * I came, I saw, I deleted all your files. * + * Black holes are where God is dividing by zero. * + * The world will end in 5 minutes. Please log out. * + * Earth is 98% full.... please delete anyone you can. * +";7;True +"From: chrstie@ccu.umanitoba.ca (William John M. Christie) +Subject: Re: Essene New Testament +Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada +Lines: 16 + +In harwood@umiacs.umd.edu (David Harwood) writes: + +>There had been recent criticism of this in a listserv for academic +>Biblical scholars: they all say the book(s) are modern fakes. +>D.H. + +Which listsev was this and is the discussion still current? My questioning +is based on some information presented from the Essene NT that challenges +some of my eating choices. As the info came from a biased (opposed to my +preferences) third party I am looking for info as to whether I should +dismiss this work or put some consideration into it. Thanks again for info! +-- + Will Christie | AATCHOO! | PHILOSOPHY: the principles and + University of Manitoba | Uh-oh... | science of thought and reality + Winnipeg, MB, Canada | I'm leaking | PHILOSOPHER: someone who thinks +chrstie@ccu.UManitoba.CA | brain lubricant. | they're useful to society +";17;True +"From: doyle@cs.umass.edu (Jim Doyle) +Subject: UMass Big East hockey underway +Organization: CS Dept., Umass-Amherst +Lines: 39 +NNTP-Posting-Host: gaia.cs.umass.edu +Summary: UMass hires Head Coach for first season since 1979 +Keywords: UMass Minutemen Mallen +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] + + + +The mission to revive hockey at UMass is now underway. At the 4 PM Saturday +afternoon press conference held at the new Mullins Center Arena - former +Boston College Asst. Coach Joe Mallen was awarded the 4 year, $85,000/year +contract as Head Coach for the UMass Minutemen. + +Mallen was the third viable pick for the position, right behind Jeff Jackson +(Lake Superior) and second behind Shawn Walsh (UMaine). Previous offers for +the position were rumored to have been offered to the asst. coaches of +Brown, RPI and the head coach of the AHL Springfield Indians. + +UMass hockey was disbanded in 1979 due to financial constraints that had +undermined the team's position over a period of years. In late November +of last year, the $52 million Mullins Sports Center was opened following +its one year construction deadline. + +The Minutemen are slated to play an independent Div II/Div III schedule this +upcoming winter before officially entering Hockey East for the Winter 1994 +season. Mallen has yet to comment on player recruitment strategies or +potential team candidates for the Minutemen - it is expected that he will +leverage off his inside contacts within New England, the Bay State and +Europe to draw on competitive, top ice players for the University. + +UMass has slated 18 hockey scholarships for the upcoming Fall semester ; +expect to hear more from me as I hear more from my sources. + +.... J.D. + + ++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ +Jim Doyle Univ. of Massachusetts - Dept. of Computer Science + +Staff Programmer PUMA/DCC/CNET email: doyle@gaia.cs.umass.edu + +office: Lederle GRC Room A203 Tel. 413-545-3179 +home : 91 Blackberry Ln Tel. 413-549-1409 + Amherst,MA 01002-1516 + +";13;True +"From: gt7122b@prism.gatech.edu (boundary) +Subject: Re: The arrogance of Christians +Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology +Lines: 55 + +dleonar@andy.bgsu.edu (Pixie) writes: +> Unfaithfully yours, +> Pixie +> p.s. If you do sincerely believe that a god exists, why do you follow +>it blindly? +> Do the words ""Question Authority"" mean anything to you? +> I defy any theist to reply. + +Dear Defiant (or Unfaithful or Pixie): + +I will take up the challenge to reply, as I am a theist. + +The foundation for faith in God is reason, without which the existence +of God could not be proven. That His existence can be proven by reason +is indisputable (cf. my short treatise, ""Traditional Proofs for the +Existence of God,"" and Summa Theologica). + +Now, given that God exists, and that His existence can be proven by reason, +I assert that His commands must be followed blindly, although in our fallen +condition we must always have some measure of doubt about our faith. Why? + +Because God is the First Cause of all things, the First Mover of matter, +the Independent Thing that requires nothing else for its existence, the +Measure of all that is perfect, and the essential Being who gives order +to the universe (logos). + +I next assert that God is all good. If this is so, then that which is +contrary to the will of God is evil; i.e., the absence of the good. And, +since God can never contradict Himself, then by His promise of a Savior +as early as the Protoevangelium of Genesis 3:5, God instructs that because +a human (Adam) was first responsible for man's alienation from the Source +of all good, a man would be required to act to restore the friendship. +Thus God became incarnate in the person of the Messiah. + +Now this Messiah claimed that He is the Truth (John 14:6). If this claim +is true, then we are bound by reason to follow Him, who is truth incarnate. + +You next seem to have a problem with authority. Have you tried the United +States Marine Corps yet? I can tell you first-hand that it is an excellent +instructor in authority. If you have not yet had the privilege, I will +reply that the authority which is Truth Incarnate may never be questioned, +and thus must be followed blindly. One may NOT deny the truth. For +example, when the proverbial apple fell on Isaac Newton's head, he could +have denied that it happened, but he did not. The laws of physics must +be obeyed whether a human likes them or not. They are true. + +Therefore, the Authority which is Truth may not be denied. + +QED + +-- +boundary + +no teneis que pensar que yo haya venido a traer la paz a la tierra; no he +venido a traer la paz, sino la guerra (Mateo 10:34, Vulgata Latina) +";17;True +"From: essbaum@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Alexander Essbaum) +Subject: Re: Speeding ticket from CHP +Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM +Nntp-Posting-Host: florida.rchland.ibm.com +Organization: IBM Rochester +Lines: 37 + +In article , dmatejka@netcom.com (Daniel Matejka) writes: +|> In article <1pq4t7$k5i@agate.berkeley.edu> downey@homer.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Allen B. Downey) writes: +|> > Fight your ticket : California edition by David Brown 1st ed. +|> > Berkeley, CA : Nolo Press, 1982 +|> > +|> >The second edition is out (but not in UCB's library). Good luck; let +|> >us know how it goes. +|> > +|> Daniel Matejka writes: + +|> Can you beat this ticket? Personally, I think it's your Duty As a Citizen +|> to make it as much trouble as possible for them, so maybe they'll Give Up +|> and Leave Us Alone Someday Soon. +|> The cop was certainly within his legal rights to nail you by guessing +|> your speed. Mr. Brown (the author of Fight Your Ticket) mentions an +|> Oakland judge who convicted a speeder ""on the officer's testimony that +|> the driver's car sounded like it was being driven at an excessive speed."" + +*cough* *choke* WHAT?!? if a cop gave me a ticket for ""sounding"" like +i was speeding i'd probably show up in court without a lawyer simply +because ""sounding"" like speeding is ridiculous. if i was found guilty +i'd appeal and then show up with a lawyer. + +if a cop doesn't do one of: + +VASCAR (from car or plane) +RADAR, LIDAR, other electronic speed measuring device +pace me + +and i'm within 15mph or so of the limit i'd go to court. i can accept a +cop ""seeing"" me going excessively fast (like 25+ over the limit) but +""he looked like he was going 70 or so in a 55 zone"" is not ""beyond a +reasonable doubt"". granted i may well lose the case but 70 in a 55 measured +by eye??? take it to court for sure. + +axel + +";7;True +"From: kaminski@netcom.com (Peter Kaminski) +Subject: Re: Krillean Photography +Lines: 101 +Organization: The Information Deli - via Netcom / San Jose, California + +[Newsgroups: m.h.a added, followups set to most appropriate groups.] + +In <1993Apr19.205615.1013@unlv.edu> todamhyp@charles.unlv.edu (Brian M. +Huey) writes: + +>I am looking for any information/supplies that will allow +>do-it-yourselfers to take Krillean Pictures. + +(It's ""Kirlian"". ""Krillean"" pictures are portraits of tiny shrimp. :) + +[...] + +>One might extrapolate here and say that this proves that every object +>within the universe (as we know it) has its own energy signature. + +I think it's safe to say that anything that's not at 0 degrees Kelvin +will have its own ""energy signature"" -- the interesting questions are +what kind of energy, and what it signifies. + +I'd check places like Edmund Scientific (are they still in business?) -- +or I wonder if you can find ex-Soviet Union equipment for sale somewhere +in the relcom.* hierarchy. + +Some expansion on Kirlian photography: + +From the credulous side: [Stanway, Andrew, _Alternative Medicine: A Guide +To Natural Therapies_, ISBN 0-14-008561-0, New York: Viking Penguin, 1986, +p211, p188. A not-overly critical but still useful overview of 32 +alternative health therapies.] + + ...the Russian engineer Semyon Kirlian and his wife Valentina during the + 1950s. Using alternating currents of high frequency to 'illuminate' + their subjects, they photographed them. They found that if an object + was a good conductor (such as a metal) the picture showed only its + surface, while the pictures of poor conductors showed the inner + structure of the object even if it were optically opaque. They found + too that these high frequency pictures could distinguish between dead + and living objects. Dead ones had a constant outline whilst living ones + were subject to changes. The object's life activity was also visible in + highly variable colour patterns. + + High frequency photography has now been practised for twenty years in + the Soviet Union but only a few people in the West have taken it up + seriously. Professor Douglas Dean in New York and Professor Philips at + Washington University in St Louis have produced Kirlian photographs and + others have been produced in Brazil, Austria and Germany. + + Using Kirlian photography it is possible to show an aura around people's + fingers, notably around those of healers who are concentrating on + healing someone. Normally, blue and white rays emanate from the fingers + but, when a subject becomes angry or excited, the aura turns red and + spotty. The Soviets are now using Kirlian photography to diagnose + diseases which cannot be diagnosed by any other method. They argue that + in most illnesses there is a preclinical stage during which the person + isn't actually ill but is about to be. They claim to be able to + foretell a disease by photographing its preclinical phase. + + But the most exciting phenomenon illustrated by Kirlian photography is + the phantom effect. During high frequency photography of a leaf from + which a part had been cut, the photograph gave a complete picture of the + leaf with the removed part showing up faintly. This is extremely + important because it backs up the experiences of psychics who can 'see' + the legs of amputees as if they were still there. The important thing + about the Kirlian phantoms though is that the electromagnetic pattern + can't possibly represent a secondary phenomenon -- or the field would + vanish when the piece of leaf or leg vanished. The energy grid + contained in a living object must therefore be far more significant than + the actual object itself. + + [...] + + Kirlian photography has shown how water mentally 'charged' by a healer + has a much richer energy field around it than ordinary water... + + +From the incredulous side: [MacRobert, Alan, ""Reality shopping; a +consumer's guide to new age hokum."", _Whole Earth Review_, Autumn 1986, +vNON4 p4(11). An excellent article providing common-sense guidelines for +evaluating paranormal claims, and some of the author's favorite examples +of hokum.] + + The crank usually works in isolation from everyone else in his field of + study, making grand discoveries in his basement. Many paranormal + movements can be traced back to such people -- Kirlian photography, for + instance. If you pump high-voltage electricity into anything it will + emit glowing sparks, common knowledge to electrical workers and + hobbyists for a century. It took a lone basement crank to declare that + the sparks represent some sort of spiritual aura. In fact, Kirlian + photography was subjected to rigorous testing by physicists John O. + Pehek, Harry J. Kyler, and David L. Faust, who reported their findings + in the October 15, 1976, issue of Science. Their conclusion: The + variations observed in Kirlian photographs are due solely to moisture on + the surface of the body and not to mysterious ""auras"" or even + necessarily to changes in mood or mental state. Nevertheless, + television shows, magazines, and books (many by famous + parapsychologists) continue to promote Kirlian photography as proof of + the unknown. + +-- +Peter Kaminski +kaminski@netcom.com +";4;True +"From: ns111310@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Nathaniel Sammons) +Subject: Price drop on C650 within 2 months? +Article-I.D.: yuma.Apr06.184114.73926 +Organization: Colorado State U. Engineering College +Lines: 12 +Nntp-Posting-Host: casco.lance.colostate.edu + +I am going to be getting a C650 soon, but I don;t want Apple +to come out with the Cyclones and the Tempest in a month +and have the price drop on the system I want. I have negotiated a +good deal with a supplier for a C650 8/80 and I would like to jump on it, +but, again, I don't want the price drop to smuther me. BTW, the deal +I have is a C650 8/80 with mouse for $2295... does anyone know of a better +deal? + +thanks, + +-nate + ns111310@longs.lance.colostate.edu +";0;True +"From: gjp@sei.cmu.edu (George Pandelios) +Subject: Re: Washington To Beat Pitt +Organization: The Software Engineering Institute +Lines: 35 + + +In article <1993Apr14.185059.27513@ncsu.edu>, fmsalvat@eos.ncsu.edu (FRANK MICHAE SALVATORE) writes: +|> +|> +|> +|> > +|> > What makes you think so? I'd like to understand your reasoning. +|> > From my seat, the Caps don't really appear to believe that they can +|> > defeat Pittsburgh. Therefore, they don't. I think their spirit was +|> > broken in last year's playoffs and hasn't really recovered. I don't know +|> > what the season series numbers were, but I believe that the Pens won it. +|> > I think that either the Devils or the Islanders will cause more problems for +|> +|> +|> What is this spirit crap? I'm a Caps fan and hope they win +|> if they end up facing Pittsburgh, +|> but I don't think the Caps lose to Pitt because of lack +|> of spirit. Yes, the Penguins won the season series against the +|> Caps. They've won eighteen games in a row for God's sake. +|> Did you ever think the Penguins might be good, and that's +|> why they win? + +I re-read what I wrote and it didn't say exactly what I thought. + +Sure the Pens are a better team. They've got size and the best skill players +in the league. They've also got the best clutch goaltending. They're the +best team in the league. + +But, my point was the Caps have not played to their ability level vs the +Pens since last year's choke. And that's the mental problem (the one they've +had for a number of years) I tried to point out. Spirit, mental preparedness, +will to win, whatever you want to call it, it's missing when the Caps play the +Pens. Actually, you're right - it won't make any difference. + +George +";13;True +"From: dan@tremor.think.com (Dan Aronson) +Subject: drawing an abstract graph +Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA +Lines: 9 +Distribution: comp +NNTP-Posting-Host: tremor.quake.think.com + + +I am looking for software to draw a graph. I want to just give it a list +of nodes and edges between the nodes and have the program come up with some +reasonable positioning of it. + +Thanks in advance. + +--Dan Aronson dan@think.com +Thinking Machines Corporation +";12;True +"From: klinger@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jorg Klinger) +Subject: Re: Why mod a ZX-11? (was ZX-11 #4 cylinder running HOT,) +Nntp-Posting-Host: ccu.umanitoba.ca +Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada +Lines: 44 + +In <1993Apr1.212334.14870@exu.ericsson.se> lmcstst@noah.ericsson.se (Stamos Stamos) writes: + +>In article <1993Apr1.173354.14424@research.nj.nec.com> behanna@phoenix.syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes: +>> + +>Power? hmmmmmm, well I haven't got it on the dyno or jetted. (waiting for the snow +>to melt) Although I have a Factory jet kit + 4' advance,(jets are 145s, the stock +>is 140, my book says 130 Calif.-> 150 UK, strange?), I don't want to fit it unless +>there is a dyno handy. + + I've heard that bikes tuned to perfection on the Dyno can be a little +too close to the edge for street use. Cold morning, bad gas, etc. + + Apparently they back them of some even for track use. + + You pays your money ... + +__ + Jorg Klinger | GSXR1100 | If you only new who + Arch. & Eng. Services |""Lost Horizons"" CR500 | I think I am. + UManitoba, Man. Ca. |""The Embalmer"" IT175 | - anonymous + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +>-- +>Stamos ZZR11 Ellas +>Ericsson, Cellular Design +>Montreal, Canada. +";7;True +"From: lynn@pacesetter.com (Lynn E. Hall) +Subject: Re: story +Keywords: PARTY!!!! +Nntp-Posting-Host: camellia +Organization: Siemens Pacesetter, Inc. +Lines: 20 + +>lynn@pacesetter.com (Lynn E. Hall) writes: +> +>>allowed (yes, there is a God). No open containers on the street was the +>>signs in the bars. Yeah, RIGHT! The 20 or so cops on hand for the couple of +>>thousand of bikers in a 1 block main street were not citing anyone. The +>>street was filled with empty cans at least 2 feet deep in the gutter. The +>>crowd was raisin' hell - tittie shows everywhere. Can you say PARTY? +> +> +>And still we wonder why they stereotype us... +> +>-Erc. + + Whacha mean 'we'...ifin they (whom ever 'they' are) want to stereotype me +as one that likes to drink beer and watch lovely ladies display their +beautiful bodies - I like that stereotype. + If you were refering 'stereotype' to infer a negative - you noticed we +didn't rape, pillage, or burn down the town. We also left mucho bucks as in +MONEY with the town. Me thinks the town LIKES us. Least they said so. + Lynn Hall - NOS Bros +";7;True +"From: markm@bigfoot.sps.mot.com (Mark Monninger) +Subject: Car buying story, was: Christ, another dealer service scam... +Nntp-Posting-Host: 223.250.10.7 +Reply-To: rapw20@email.sps.mot.com +Organization: SPS +Distribution: usa +Lines: 57 + +In article <1qhs7dINNj2b@hp-col.col.hp.com> tvervaek@col.hp.com (Tom +Vervaeke) writes: +> ... experience with Jeep service dept ... +> +While not exactly a service incident, I had a similar experience recently +when I bought a new truck. + +I had picked out the vehicle I wanted and after a little haggling we +agreed on a price. I wrote them a check for the down payment plus tax +and license and told them I'd be back that evening to pick up the truck. +When I returned, I had to wait about an hour before the finance guy could +get to me. When I finally got in there, everything went smoothly until he +started adding up the numbers. He then discovered that they had +miscalculated the tax & license by about $150. He then said he needed +another $150 from me. I said we had already agreed on a price and it was +their problem, I wasn't giving them any more money. The finance guy then +brought in the manager on duty who proceeded to give me a hard time. I +reminded him that I was the customer and I didn't think I should be +treated like that and that if he didn't back off he could forget the whole +deal. He made some smart remark so I told him where he could stick it, +snatched back my check and left. Needless to say, they were not pleased by +the turn of events. + +Early the next morning I got a call from the general sales manager wanting +to know what happened. I related the story and he apologised profusely and +asked if there was anything they could do to change my mind. I told him +that if they gave me the truck for free I probably still wouldn't take it, +that there were other dealers in town, I was a repeat customer of theirs +and that they should learn how to treat customers,etc,etc...I was still +pretty steamed about the whole affair. He gave me the line about hating to +lose a customer and they would try to find a solution, etc, etc. I told +him not to bother, thanks, I'd go somewhere else. + +A couple hours later, the owner of the dealership called me, all +apologetic, etc, etc, etc, and said that they would cover the $150 plus +knock another $400 off the price of the truck. I told him I'd think about +it and he gave me his private, direct phone number, his secretary's name, +and assured me that they valued me as a customer, etc etc etc.... + +I thought about it for a few hours and discussed it with my wife and we +decided, what the hell...that was a pretty decent deal, so I called him +back and accepted his offer. When I went back the next day to pick up the +truck, I received the royal treatment. Everyone seemed to know about the +incident, even the lot boy. Everything went smoothly and I was out of +there in my new truck in about 30 mins. + +So, I guess I'm a reasonably satisfied customer. However, it should not +have happened in the first place. I was a bit shocked to have a sales +person talk to me like that. I don't expect them to bow and grovel, but I +sure don't expect to be given a hard time either, esp. when it's their +mistake. + +Anyway, I'm happy with the truck and it turned out to be a couple hundred +dollars under invoice and they paid most of the first year's license fee. +I'm not sure whether I'll go back to that dealer, tho. + +Mark +";10;True +"From: sam4628@chensun2m.tamu.edu (Arglebargle IV) +Subject: Re: How can I use the mouse in NON-Windows +Organization: Dept. of Chemical Engineering, Texas A&M University +Lines: 34 +Distribution: world +Reply-To: sam4628@chensun2m.tamu.edu +NNTP-Posting-Host: chensun2m.tamu.edu + +In article 5Iq@netcom.com, kasajian@netcom.com (Kenneth Kasajian) writes: +} wnkretz@ikesg1.energietechnik.uni-stuttgart.de (Oliver Kretzschmar) writes: +} +} +} +} } Hey, +} +} } could somebody tell me, how it is possible to work with the mouse +} } in a NON-Windows application, which runs in an window. We use +} } MS-WINDOWS 3.1 and have CLIPPER applications. Exists there any +} } routines or something else ? Please mail me your informations. +} +} } Thanks for your efforts, +} +} } Oliver +} }-- +} } NAME : O.Kretzschmar Inst.IKE / University Stuttgart +} } PHONE: +49 711 685 2130 Pfaffenwaldring 31 +} } FAX : +49 711 685 2010 7000 Stuttgart 80 +} } EMAIL: wnkretz@ikesg1.energietechnik.uni-stuttgart.de +} +} Very simple. You have to have the MOUSE.COM or MOUSE.SYS loaded in DOS +} before you run Windows. Note that you don't need to have these files loaded +} to use the mouse in Windows. + + +... and you need a video driver which is completely Windows 3.1 compatible, and +your mouse driver has to be completely compatible as well. Not quite so simple. +(I never could get my logitech mouse to work 100% in a DOS window with my +old Paradise card: now I have a Diamond SS24X and the 6.2 mouse drivers, and +everything works perfectly). + +Steven M. + +";6;True +"From: towwang@statler.engin.umich.edu (Tow Wang Hui) +Subject: NEEDED: ProDesigner IIs drivers +Keywords: Orchid ProDesigner IIs Windows 3.1 +Article-I.D.: srvr1.1pst16INN4m3 +Reply-To: towwang@engin.umich.edu +Distribution: world +Organization: University of Michigan (CAEN) +Lines: 22 +NNTP-Posting-Host: statler.engin.umich.edu +Originator: towwang@statler.engin.umich.edu + + +Could anybody please provide me a copy of the Windows 3.1 drivers and grabbers +from Orchid Technologies for use with their ProDesigner IIs ISA video card? Currently I do not have access to a modem to dial out to Orchid BBS. +If you can help me, please do any of the following, wichever is most convenient +to you: + +1) +Copy the binary files to a directory readable by any user in any cell of the +Andrew File System + +2) +Upload the binary files to an anonymous FTP site (where allowed). + +3) +uuencode the files and send them to me by electronic mail. + +Please notify me by electronic mail at +towwang@caen.engin.umich.edu + +Thanks in advance. + +Francisco +";5;True +"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) +Subject: Its entire Muslim population had been slaughtered by the Armenians. +Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) +Distribution: world +Lines: 31 + +Source: ""Men Are Like That"" by Leonard Ramsden Hartill. The Bobbs-Merrill +Company, Indianapolis (1926). (305 pages). +(Memoirs of an Armenian officer who participated in the genocide of 2.5 + million Muslim people) + + +p. 19 (first paragraph) + +""The Tartar section of the town no longer existed, except as a pile of + ruins. It had been destroyed and its inhabitants slaughtered. The same + fate befell the Tartar section of Khankandi."" + +p. 22 (second paragraph) + +""Many of our men had served in the Russian Army, and were trained soldiers. + We Armenians were rich and possessed arms. Tartars had never received + military training. They were poor, and possessed few arms beyond knives. + Shortly after the killing of the Tartars in our village, the revolution + in Russia was suppressed."" + + +Serdar Argic + + 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that + might serve as ways of escape for the Turks + and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' + (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) + 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists + a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) + + +";15;True +"From: earlw@apple.com (Earl Wallace) +Subject: Re: Who's next? Mormons and Jews? +Organization: Apple Computer Inc. ESD/OSBU/Cross-Platform Software +Lines: 16 +NNTP-Posting-Host: apple.com + +In article <1993Apr20.003522.22480@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes: +>In article <1qvfik$6rf@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cj195@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John W. Redelfs) writes: +>>Now that Big Brother has rubbed out one minority religion in Waco, who is +>>next? The Mormons or Jews? +> +>The Koreshians rubbed themselves out. Neither Mormons nor Jews have a +>propensity for dousing themselves with kerosene, so I'm not particularly +>concerned. (Or shall we blame Jim Jones on the government also?) +>... + +Let's see if I have this straight. A law is created that says ""you can not +have a automatic weapon"" and therefore it's ok for the government to use +any level of force to enforce that law. Doesn't matter if the entire +population of the planet is destroyed as long as that law is obeyed. + +Do I read you correctly? +";3;True +"From: LMARSHA@cms.cc.wayne.edu (Laurie Marshall) +Subject: Re: If You Were Pat Burns ... +Organization: Wayne State University, Detroit MI U.S.A. +Lines: 30 +NNTP-Posting-Host: cms.cc.wayne.edu + +In article <1r1chb$5l2@jethro.Corp.Sun.COM> +jake@rambler.Eng.Sun.COM (Jason Cockroft) writes: + +>Suggestions: Clarke-Anderson-Gilmour vs. Sheppard-Yserbeart-?? +> Andreychuck-Borchevsy-?? vs. Detroit checking line +> Toronto's checking line vs. Yzerman-Fedorov-Probert (pray lots) +> + + Well, I'm a Wings fan and I think the FIRST thing that you should do is to +get the opponent's line combinations correct before you try to match up anyone +with them. There is no Yzerman-Fedorov-Probert line, except for maybe on a +powerplay. These three players usually play on three different lines. +Which would mean that Toronto's checking line would have to pull a triple +shift. +The Wings' lines usually look like this: + + Gallant-Yzerman-Ciccarelli + + Kozlov-Fedorov-Drake + + Kennedy-Burr-Probert + + Ysebaert-Primeau-Sheppard + +Oh by the way: Start praying! : ) + +Laurie Marshall +Wayne State University +Detroit, Michigan +Go Wings!!!!! +";13;True +"From: set@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (ViSioNary Gfx) +Subject: ATTENTION SUPER NINTENDO AND GENESIS PLAYERS READ THIS +Organization: Kansas State University +Lines: 56 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu + + + +IM pleased to announce a new revolutionary device that allows you to +copy super nintendo and genesis games to floppy disk. Then later +play from floppy disk with out the cart. This is a independent system +that interfaces with your SNES or Genesis. + +OTHER FEATURES + +*Store multiple copies of cart. save game to disk (up to 32 saves to disk) + +*Save your position in SNES games that don't norally have a save feature + +*Switch your SNES into slow motion mode + +*Use codes to get unlimited lives and other ""cheats"" in many games. + +The Multi-Game Hunter is capable of copying both SNES and Genesis game +carts to standard IBM PC formated floppy disks. The games can them be played directly from the floppy disk. NOTE:IT does not require a PC + +Full color on-screen icons and menus make operation for the MGH so simple +that even a child could operate it. Options can be selected simply by choosing the selection with the game controller and pressin a button. + +Add a Game saver adapter to your system for more game playing power. The +Game saver allows you to save your position to disk in almost any SNES game! +Reload your saved position any time. Enable it's slow-motion feature for those really tough games. + +For more control over game play, We have the Game finger software. The +game finger software can give you unlimited lives or warp you to new levels in +your favorite SNES games. Bring back to life those really frustrating games. + +Also if you know how to program 6518 6502 ASM code you can create your own +SNES demos or games. + +MGH includes + +Base unit,disk drive (high density 3.5 drive), 16megabit RAM, 256 SRAM, +all adapters and comes ready to hook up to your gameing system. + +ONly thing not included is the power supply which you can pick up at +radio shack. + +All for only $500 + +DISCLAMER + +the customer assumes all responsibility for the use and or misuse of this +product. We in no way encourage nor condone the use of this product for +software piracy. This device is intended soley for making legal backup +copies. Neither Nintendo or Sega has giving official endorsement of the +products described herein. + +Email me for more info or to make a purchase +. + + +";8;True +"From: m91nen@tdb.uu.se (Nils Engstrom) +Subject: Help: Event propagation +Organization: Department of Scientific Computing, Uppsala University +Lines: 19 + + +The following problem is really bugging me, +and I would appreciate any help. + +I create two windows: + +w1 (child to root) with event_mask = ButtonPressMask|KeyPressMask; +w2 (child to w1) with do_not_propagate_mask = ButtonPressMask|KeyPressMask; + + +Keypress events in w2 are discarded, but ButtonPress events fall through +to w1, with subwindow set to w2. + +FYI, I'm using xnews/olvwm. + +Am I doing something fundamentally wrong here? + + n + +";12;True +"From: schmidt@PrakInf.TH-Ilmenau.DE (Schmidt) +Subject: irit to pov ? +Keywords: raytracer, format conversion +Reply-To: schmidt@PrakInf.TH-Ilmenau.DE (Schmidt) +Organization: Technische Hochschule Ilmenau +Lines: 8 +Nntp-Posting-Host: merkur.prakinf.tu-ilmenau.de + +Has anybody made a converter from irit's .irt or .dat format to + .pov format ? + +Thanks! + +-- +Sebastian Schmidt +TU Ilmenau Institut f. praktische Informatik +";1;True +"From: davec@silicon.csci.csusb.edu (Dave Choweller) +Subject: Re: Genocide is Caused by Atheism +Organization: California State University, San Bernardino +Lines: 45 +Nntp-Posting-Host: silicon.csci.csusb.edu + +In article <1qif1g$fp3@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de> frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes: +>In article <1qialf$p2m@fido.asd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes: +>|In article <1qi921$egl@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de>, frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes: +[stuff deleted...] +>||> To the newsgroup at large, how about this for a deal: recognise that what +>||> happened in former Communist Russia has as much bearing on the validity +>||> of atheism as has the doings of sundry theists on the validity of their +>||> theism. That's zip, nada, none. The fallacy is known as ad hominem, and +>||> it's an old one. It should be in the Holy FAQ, in the Book of Constructing +>||> a Logical Argument :-) +>| +>|Apart from not making a lot of sense, this is wrong. There +>|is no ""atheist creed"" that taught any communist what to do ""in +>|the name of atheism"". There clearly are theistic creeds and +>|instructions on how to act for theists. They all madly +>|conflict with one another, but that's another issue. +> +>Lack of instructions on how to act might also be evil. + +That's like saying that, since mathematics includes no instructions on +how to act, it is evil. Atheism is not a moral system, so why should +it speak of instructions on how to act? *Atheism is simply lack of +belief in God*. + + Plenty of theists +>think so. So one could argue the case for ""atheism causes whatever +>I didn't like about the former USSR"" with as much validity as ""theism +>causes genocide"" - that is to say, no validity at all. + +I think the argument that a particular theist system causes genocide +can be made more convincingly than an argument that atheism causes genocide. +This is because theist systems contain instructions on how to act, +and one or more of these can be shown to cause genocide. However, since +the atheist set of instructions is the null set, how can you show that +atheism causes genocide? +-- +David Choweller (davec@silicon.csci.csusb.edu) + +There are scores of thousands of human insects who are +ready at a moment's notice to reveal the Will of God on +every possible subject. --George Bernard Shaw. +-- +There are scores of thousands of human insects who are +ready at a moment's notice to reveal the Will of God on +every possible subject. --George Bernard Shaw. +";9;True +"From: koberg@spot.Colorado.EDU (Allen Koberg) +Subject: Re: SATANIC TOUNGES +Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder +Lines: 49 + +In article marka@hcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com (Mark Ashley) writes: +>In article mmh@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Matthew Huntbach) writes: +>>I have seen the claims, but I don't know if there are any +>>authenticated cases of people making prolonged speeches in +>>real languages they don't know. From my observations, ""speaking +>>in tongues"" in practice has nothing at all do with this. +> +>I have a simple test. I take several people who can speak +>only one language (e.g. chinese, russian, german, english). +>Then I let the ""gifted one"" start ""speaking in toungues"". +>The audience should understand the ""gifted one"" clearly +>in their native language. However, the ""gifted one"" can +>only hear himself speaking in his own language. +> + +There seem to be many points to the speaking in tongues thing which +are problematic. It's use as prayer language seems especially troubling +to me. I understand that when you pray in tongues, the spirit is doing +the talking. And when you pray, you pray to God. And the Spirit is +God. So, the Spirit is talking to Himself. Which is why I only go +by the Pentecost use where it's an actual language. + +Moreover, the phrase ""though I speak with the tongues of men and angels"" +used by Paul in I Cor. is misleading out of context. Some would then +assume that there is some angelic tongue, and if when they speak, it +is no KNOWN language, then it is an angelic tongue. + +Hmmm...in the old testament story about the tower of Babel, we see how +God PUNISHED by giving us different language. Can we assume then that +if angels have their own language at all, that they have the SAME one +amongst other angels? After all, THEY were not punished in any manner. + +So why do these supposed angelic tongues all sound different FROM ONE +ANOTHER? It's disturbing to think that some people find ways to +justify jabbering. + +But I'll buy the idea that someone could talk in a language never learned. + +Trouble is, while such stories abound, any and all attempts at +verification (and we are to test the spirit...) either show that +the witness had no real idea of the circumstances, or that outright +fabrication was involved. The Brother Puka story in a previous post +seems like a ""friend of a friend"" thing. And linguistically, a two +syllable word hardly qualifies as language, inflection or no. + +Much as many faith healers have trouble proving their ""victories"" (since +most ailments ""cured"" are just plain unprovable) and modern day +ressurrections have never been validated, so is it true that no +modern day xenoglossolalia has been proved by clergy OR lay. +";17;True +"From: johnh@macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au (John Haddy) +Subject: Re: Help with ultra-long timing +Organization: Macquarie University +Lines: 39 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au + +In article , mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) writes: +|> (1) Don't use big capacitors. They are unreliable for timing due to +|> leakage. +|> +|> Instead, use a quartz crystal and divide its frequency by 2 40 times +|> or something like that. +|> +|> 1 MHz divided by 2^40 = 1 cycle per 2 weeks, approximately. +|> +|> (2) I wouldn't expect any components (other than batteries or electrolytic +|> capacitors) to fail at -40 C (or -40 F for that matter either :) ). +|> The battery is going to be your big problem. Also, of course, your +|> circuit shouldn't depend on exact values of resistors (which a crystal- +|> controlled timer won't). +|> + +... Wouldn't a crystal be affected by cold? My gut feeling is that, as a +mechanically resonating device, extreme cold is likely to affect the +compliance (?terminology?) of the quartz, and hence its resonant frequency. + +|> -- +|> :- Michael A. Covington internet mcovingt@ai.uga.edu : ***** +|> :- Artificial Intelligence Programs phone 706 542-0358 : ********* +|> :- The University of Georgia fax 706 542-0349 : * * * +|> :- Athens, Georgia 30602-7415 U.S.A. amateur radio N4TMI : ** *** ** + + +JohnH + +---------------------------------------------------------------------------- + + | _ |_ _ |_| _ _| _| Electronics Department + |_| (_) | | | | | | (_| (_| (_| \/ School of MPCE + ---------------------------------/- Macquarie University + Sydney, AUSTRALIA 2109 + + Email: johnh@mpce.mq.edu.au, Ph: +61 2 805 8959, Fax: +61 2 805 8983 + +---------------------------------------------------------------------------- +";11;True +"From: s913579@minyos.xx.rmit.OZ.AU (Lost Cause) +Subject: Connection Machine +Organization: Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology +Lines: 19 +NNTP-Posting-Host: minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au + +Hiya all, + + I realise this has little to do with pc's but it does have a lot to do + with hardware.... + + So, has nay of you heard of a computer called the Connection Machine. + If so, could you e-mail me any and all info you have, + eg- references, ideas etc. + + All help is appreciated. + + Caviar Dreams + L.Cause + +-- ++----s913579@minyos.xx.rmit.OZ.AU---Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology---+ +| _/ ""Music is like directing sounds theatrically, moulding them into | +| _/_/ landscapes.. I wanted to link my music to places, architectural | +| _/_/_/ environments and visual techniques."" - J.M.Jarre | +";5;True +"From: ad994@Freenet.carleton.ca (Jason Wiggle) +Subject: PCX +Organization: National Capital Freenet, Ottawa, Canada +Lines: 27 + + +Hello + HELP!!! please + I am a student of turbo c++ and graphics programming + and I am having some problems finding algorithms and code + to teach me how to do some stuff.. + + 1) Where is there a book or code that will teach me how + to read and write pcx,dbf,and gif files? + + 2) How do I access the extra ram on my paradise video board + so I can do paging in the higher vga modes ie: 320x200x256 + 800x600x256 + 3) anybody got a line on a good book to help answer these question? + +Thanks very much ! + +send reply's to : Palm@snycanva.bitnet + +Peace be +Blessed be +Stephen Palm +";1;True +"From: guykuo@carson.u.washington.edu (Guy Kuo) +Subject: Re: iisi clock upgrades +Organization: University of Washington +Lines: 16 +NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu + +I've just completed a successful upgrade of a an SI to 27.5 mhz. I'm waiting +on delivery of a 62 mhz clock for a final speed trial. Definitely needed the +heatsink. The CPU was quite hot to the touch at higher speeds until I glued +on a 90 cent Radio Shack sink. + +I made a call for reports of failures last week. No reports have arrived +here. Locally, in Seattle there is a reported CPU damage due to the user +slipping with the iron and putting a gash into the board -- not exactly +a problem due to the CPU running too fast. + +I think it would be nice to have a poll to report top speeds and system +configurations including PDS and Nubus cards which were used. I'd be happy +to coordinate and report results + +Guy Kuo + +";0;True +"From: husak@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Stephen R. Husak ) +Subject: Tape Drive Problems +Article-I.D.: ux1.C52szz.489 +Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana +Lines: 17 + +Please reply via e-mail since this is job related: + +I have a Colorado Jumbo back-up system at one of my places of +employment and it has eaten two tapes by winding the tape off the spool. + +Is there an easy fix or is the tape drive fried? Does it simply need +cleaning? + +Any and all comments will be appreciated! + +Stephen Husak + +-- +""What am I trying to do, what am I trying to say, I'm not trying to tell you + anything you didn't know when you woke up today..."" + - Depeche Mode ""Nothing"" MUSIC FOR THE MASSES +-= Stephen R. Husak - husak@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu - Univerisity of Illinois +";5;True +"From: klui@corp.hp.com (Ken Lui) +Subject: Re: LICENSE PLATES +Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company +Lines: 16 +Distribution: na +NNTP-Posting-Host: klui.corp.hp.com + +In article <1993Apr14.143750.120204@marshall.wvnet.edu> edf003@marshall.wvnet.edu writes: +>Hi, I'm interested in getting the list for license plate numbers. If anyone +>has a listing I'd appreciate getting a copy of it. Thanks! + +You can go to the DMV and ask for their listing. Although I +don't know where you may actually buy a copy, you can use theirs +for your perusal. In California, the listing of personalized +license plates run 3 volumes, each about 1.5"" thick. I hope this +is what you're asking for. + + +Ken +-- +Kenneth K.F. Lui, klui@corp.hp.com 3000 Hanover Street MS20BJ +Corporate Administrative Information Systems Palo Alto, CA 94304 USA +Core Application Technologies 1(415)857-3230 Fax 1(415)852-8026 +";10;True +"From: jtchern@ocf.berkeley.edu (Joseph Hernandez) +Subject: MLB Standings and Scores for Sat., Apr. 17th, 1993 +Organization: JTC Enterprises Sports Division (Major League Baseball Dept.) +Lines: 73 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: monsoon.berkeley.edu +Keywords: mlb, 04.17 + + + MLB Standings and Scores for Satruday, April 17th, 1993 + (including yesterday's games) + +NATIONAL WEST Won Lost Pct. GB Last 10 Streak Home Road +San Francisco Giants 07 04 .636 -- 6-4 Won 2 04-01 03-03 +Houston Astros 06 04 .600 0.5 6-4 Won 1 01-03 05-01 +Atlanta Braves 06 06 .500 1.5 5-5 Lost 3 04-03 03-02 +Los Angeles Dodgers 04 07 .364 3.0 4-6 Won 1 01-03 03-04 +Colorado Rockies 03 06 .333 3.0 3-6 Lost 1 03-03 00-03 +San Diego Padres 03 07 .300 3.5 3-7 Won 1 01-04 02-03 +Cincinnati Reds 02 08 .200 4.5 2-8 Lost 4 01-03 01-05 + +NATIONAL EAST +Philadelphia Phillies 08 02 .800 -- 8-2 Lost 1 05-01 03-01 +Pittsburgh Pirates 07 03 .700 1.0 7-3 Lost 1 03-02 04-01 +St. Louis Cardinals 07 03 .700 1.0 7-3 Lost 1 04-02 03-01 +New York Mets 05 04 .556 2.5 5-4 Won 1 02-03 03-01 +Chicago Cubs 05 05 .500 3.0 5-5 Won 2 02-02 03-03 +Montreal Expos 05 05 .500 3.0 5-5 Won 2 02-02 03-03 +Florida Marlins 03 07 .300 5.0 3-7 Lost 1 02-04 01-03 + + +AMERICAN WEST Won Lost Pct. GB Last 10 Streak Home Road +Texas Rangers 06 03 .667 -- 6-3 Lost 2 04-02 02-01 +California Angels 05 03 .625 0.5 5-3 Lost 1 03-02 02-01 +Chicago White Sox 05 04 .556 1.0 5-4 Won 2 02-03 03-01 +Minnesota Twins 05 04 .556 1.0 5-4 Won 1 02-02 03-02 +Oakland Athletics 04 04 .500 1.5 4-4 Lost 2 04-02 00-02 +Seattle Mariners 04 05 .444 2.0 4-5 Lost 2 03-02 01-03 +Kansas City Royals 02 08 .200 4.5 2-8 Lost 1 01-05 01-03 + +AMERICAN EAST +Boston Red Sox 07 03 .700 -- 7-3 Lost 1 03-01 04-02 +New York Yankees 06 04 .600 1.0 6-4 Won 1 03-01 03-03 +Detroit Tigers 05 04 .556 1.5 5-4 Won 3 03-00 02-04 +Toronto Blue Jays 05 04 .556 1.5 5-4 Lost 1 04-02 01-02 +Cleveland Indians 04 06 .400 3.0 4-6 Won 1 03-01 01-05 +Baltimore Orioles 03 06 .333 3.5 3-6 Won 2 01-02 02-04 +Milwaukee Brewers 02 05 .286 3.5 2-5 Lost 4 00-02 02-03 + + + YESTERDAY'S SCORES + (IDLE teams listed in alphabetical order) + +NATIONAL LEAGUE AMERICAN LEAGUE + +New York Mets 3 Chicago White Sox 9 +Cincinnati Reds 1 Boston Red Sox 4 + +Florida Marlins 3 California Angels 1 +Houston Astros 9 Baltimore Orioles 4 + +Philadelphia Phillies 1 Kansas City Royals 3 +Chicago Cubs 3 Minnesota Twins 4 (10) + +Colorado Rockies 2 Seattle Mariners 0 +Montreal Expos 3 Detroit Tigers 5 + +Pittsburgh Pirates 4 Toronto Blue Jays 1 +Los Angeles Dodgers 7 Cleveland Indians 13 + +Atlanta Braves 0 Texas Rangers 3 +San Francisco Giants 1 New York Yankees 5 + +St. Louis Cardinals 1 Oakland Athletics PPD +San Diego Padres 5 Milwaukee Brewers RAIN +-- +------------------------------------------------------------------------------- +Joseph Hernandez | RAMS | | /.\ ******* _|_|_ / | LAKERS +jtchern@ocf.Berkeley.EDU | KINGS | |__ | | DODGERS _|_|_ | | RAIDERS +jtcent@soda.Berkeley.EDU | ANGELS |____||_|_| ******* | | |___| CLIPPERS +------------------------------------------------------------------------------- +";14;True +"From: chen@citr.uq.oz.au (G. Chen) +Subject: Help on bitmaps +Summary: Bitmap size +Keywords: Bitmap, windows 3.1, SDK +Organization: Prentice Centre, University of Queensland +Lines: 18 + +I wonder if anyone can tell me whether or not I can create a bitmap +of any size? I followed the bitmap creation example in SDK manual +and specified a 24x24 bitmap (set the width/height to 24) and supplied +a byte string with 72 chars. But I just cannot get the right bitmap +image. I changed the width/height to 32x32 and used the same value +string (padded with zero byets to make up to the right size) and +got the image. + +The example in the manual is 64x32 size, which are multiple of 2 bytes. +Can you define a bitmap image of any size? + +Thanks very much. + +G Chen chen@citr.uq.oz.au +-- +G. Chen, Centre for Information Technology Research, University of +Queensland, Australia 4072 +chen@citr.uq.oz.au Tel: +61 7 365 4325, Fax +61 7 365 4399 +";6;True +"From: smorris@venus.lerc.nasa.gov (Ron Morris ) +Subject: Re: Blackhawks win!!! +Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center +Lines: 19 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: venus.lerc.nasa.gov +News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 + +In <1993Apr16.140953.5025@vax.cns..edu>, jbrown@vax.cns.muskingum.edu writes... +>The Hawks win!! Jermey Roenick scored his 50 th goal and the Hawks put the +>Leafs in their place, the losers column. If the Leafs can not even beat the +>Hawks in a match that had little or no meaning I will hate to see them against +>the Wings. +> +>Oh btw I laugh at rm, that jerky!!! + +I would appreciate it if you would not refer to Mr. Maynard by his +initials. Thanks, see you in the Norris finals. + +Ron + +********** +""And one of my major goals is to leave the next president a new set +of things to worry about. I'm getting bored reading the same problems +in the paper, decade after decade. I want people to have to deal +with new problems."" + ... President Bill Clinton 2-4-93 +";13;True +"From: akins@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (kay.a.akins) +Subject: Seizure information - infant +Organization: AT&T +Keywords: seizures +Lines: 8 + +Here is the tollfree hotline for the Epilepsy Foundation +of America - 1-800-EFA-1000. They will be able to answer +your questions and send you information and references on +seizure types, medication, etc. They can also give you references +for a pediatric neorologist in your area. Also ask for the +number of your local Foundation who can put you in touch with +a Parent Support Group and social workers. +Good Luck. +";4;True +"From: jburrill@boi.hp.com (Jim Burrill) +Subject: Re: Disillusioned Protestant Finds Christ +Organization: Idaho River Country, The Salmon, Payette, Clearwater, Boise, Selway, Priest. +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.8 PL6] +Lines: 31 + +John W. Redelfs (cj195@cleveland.Freenet.Edu) wrote: +: +: I am a Mormon. I believe in Christ, that he is alive. He raised himself +: [Text deleted] +: +: I learned that the concept of the Holy Trinity was never taught by Jesus +: Christ, that it was ""agreed to"" by a council of clergymen long after Christ +: was ascended, men who had no authority to speak for him. +: +If Jesus never taught the concept of the Trinity, how do you deal with the +following: + + Mat 28 18 Then Jesus came to them and said, ""All authority in heaven + and on earth has been given to me. + + Mat 28 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing + them in¹ the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, + + Mat 28 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. + And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."" + +Also Jesus speaking: + + Act 1 5 For John baptized with¹ water, but in a few days you will + be baptized with the Holy Spirit."" + +I believe that you may have overlooked some key verses, that are crucial to +the Christian faith. + +Jim Burrill +jburrill@boi.hp.com +";19;True +"From: rjq@phys.ksu.edu (Rob Quinn) +Subject: Stray thought (was Re: More technical details +Organization: Kansas State University +Lines: 18 +NNTP-Posting-Host: bohr.phys.ksu.edu + +In <1993Apr19.134346.2620@ulysses.att.com> smb@research.att.com (Steven Bellovin) writes: +>Date: Sun, 18 Apr 93 07:56:39 EDT +>From: denning@cs.georgetown.edu (Dorothy Denning) +> The Clipper Chip will have a secret crypto algorithm embedded in +>The algorithm operates on 64-bit blocks (like DES) and the chip supports +>all 4 DES modes of operation. The algorithm uses 32 rounds of scrambling +>compared with 16 in DES. + + So in a few years there could be millions of these chips in the USA, all +networked together? Sounds like a good science fiction story - the government +wants to crack foreign DES (or whatever) messages, so they con the public into +individually buying all of the components and installing them. Soon the US +could be covered by the largest parallel computer in the world, built on top of +our current phone net. +-- +| ""Those who suppress freedom always Rob Quinn | +| do so in the name of law rjq@phys.ksu.edu | +| and order."" --John Lindsay QuinnBob@KSUVM.BITNET | +";16;True +"From: mmatusev@radford.vak12ed.edu (Melissa N. Matusevich) +Subject: Re: Emphysema question +Organization: Virginia's Public Education Network (Radford) +Lines: 13 + +Thanks for all your assistance. I'll see if he can try a +different brand of patches, although he's tried two brands +already. Are there more than two? + +Melissa + +--- + mmatusev@radford.vak12ed.edu + +""After a time you may find that having is not so pleasing a thing +after all as wanting. It is not logical, but it is often true."" + +Spock to Stonn +";4;True +"From: will@futon.webo.dg.com (Will Taber) +Subject: [soc.religion.christian] Re: The arrogance of Christians +Lines: 50 + +In a previous message aa888@freenet.carleton.ca (Mark Baker) writes: + +>If I don't think my belief is right and everyone else's belief is wrong, +>then I don't have a belief. This is simply what belief means. + + [More stuff deleted] + +This seems to be a pretty arogant definition of belief. My beliefs +are those things which I find to be true based on my experience of the +world. This experience includes study of things that I may not have +experienced directly. But even then, I can only understand the +studies to the extent to which I can relate what I study back to what +I have experienced. + +Which means that by beliefs about God are directly related to my +experience of God. Having experienced God, I try to make sense of +that experience. I study religion and read the Bible. I find things +that echo what I have already experienced. Out of this I build my +beliefs. I also find things that don't match my experience. That +doesn't make them false. They just don't match my experience. Maybe +I will understand that stuff later. I don't know. Maybe all of my +beliefs are wrong. I can change my beliefs. + +If someone else has beliefs that are different from mine, so what. +Neither of us are necessarily wrong. Someone else is making sense out +of a different set of experiences. Even though we have different +explanations and beliefs, if we talk we might even discover that the +underlying experiences are similar. + +Some people approach religion as a truth that can only exist in one +form, and usually has a single revelation. The more dogmatic and +inflexible the belief system, the more arrogant it will appear to an +outsider. There is another approach possible, however. God is a +mystery. I am trying to solve the mystery, so I look at the evidence +available to me. I try to arrive at the best understanding that I can +based on the evidence. New evidence may cause me to change my +understanding. When I encounter someone with a different belief than +my own, it isn't a threat, it is an opportunity to perhaps discover +something new about this mystery I can never fully comprehend. + +Peace +Will Taber +---------------------------------------------------------------------------- +| William Taber | Will_Taber@dg.com | Any opinions expressed | +| Data General Corp. | will@futon.webo.dg.com | are mine alone and may | +| Westboro, Mass. 01580 | | change without notice. | +|--------------------------------------------------------------------------- +| When all your dreams are laid to rest, you can get what's second best, | +| But it's hard to get enough. David Wilcox | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------- +";17;True +"From: cb@wixer.bga.com (Cyberspace Buddha) +Subject: Re: CView answers +Keywords: Stupid Programming +Organization: Real/Time Communications +Lines: 15 + +renew@blade.stack.urc.tue.nl (Rene Walter) writes: +>over where it places its temp files: it just places them in its +>""current directory"". + +I have to beg to differ on this point, as the batch file I use +to launch cview cd's to the dir where cview resides and then +invokes it. every time I crash cview, the 0-byte temp file +is found in the root dir of the drive cview is on. + +just my $0.13, +cb +-- + Cyberspace Buddha { Why are you looking for more knowledge when you } /(o\ + cb@wixer.bga.com \ do not pay attention to what you already know? / \o)/ + cb@wixer.cactus.org } ""get out of my chair!"" -- Hillary to god { peace... +";1;True +"From: gtoal@gtoal.com (Graham Toal) +Subject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption +Lines: 16 + + From: brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton) + + Let's assume, for the moment, that the system really is secure unless + you get both halves of the encryption key from the two independent + escrow houses. Let's say you even trust the escrow houses -- one is + the ACLU and the other is the EFF. (And I'm not entirely joking about + those two names) + +I'm really not entirely sure I trust EFF any more to be honest. + +Anyway, any organisation can be deeply infiltrated. Look at CND in Britain +a dozen years ago - one of their top members was an SIS spy who stole their +complete address list. How hard would it be to get one person to sneak in +and copy the escrow data to disk? + +G +";16;True +"From: lulagos@cipres.cec.uchile.cl (admirador) +Subject: OAK VGA 1Mb. Please, I needd VESA TSR!!! 8^) +Originator: lulagos@cipres +Nntp-Posting-Host: cipres.cec.uchile.cl +Organization: Centro de Computacion (CEC), Universidad de Chile +Lines: 15 + + + Hi there!... + Well, i have a 386/40 with SVGA 1Mb. (OAK chip 077) and i don't + have VESA TSR program for this card. I need it . + Please... if anybody can help me, mail me at: + lulagos@araucaria.cec.uchile.cl + + Thanks. + Mackk. + _ /| + \'o.O' + =(___)= + U + Ack! +";1;True +"From: dpb@sdchemw2.ucsd.edu (Doug P. Book) +Subject: Re: Stereo sound problem (?) on mac games +Organization: UC San Diego Chemistry +Lines: 13 +NNTP-Posting-Host: sdchemw2.ucsd.edu + + +Thanks, Steve, for your helpful and informative comments on Mac stereo +sound. + +Too bad some developers aren't addressing the problem. + +This did make my trusty old Mac II superior to the Quadra I replaced +it with in one way though! :) + + +Thanks, + +Doug +";0;True +"From: uk02183@nx10.mik.uky.edu (bryan k williams) +Subject: Re: CView answers +Keywords: Stupid Programming +Nntp-Posting-Host: nx10.mik.uky.edu +Organization: University of Kentucky +Lines: 6 + +re: majority of users not readding from floppy. +Well, how about those of us who have 1400-picture CD-ROMS and would like to use +CVIEW because it is fast and it works well, but can't because the moron lacked +the foresight to create the temp file in the program's path, not the current +didrectory? + +";1;True +"Nntp-Posting-Host: surt.ifi.uio.no +From: Thomas Parsli +Subject: Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card +In-Reply-To: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)'s message of Mon, 19 Apr 1993 + 08:52:42 GMT +Organization: Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo, Norway + <1qjmnuINNlmd@clem.handheld.com> + + + + +Lines: 51 +Originator: thomasp@surt.ifi.uio.no + + + +I don't remember the figures EXACTLY, but there were about 3500 deaths in Texas +in 1991 that was caused by guns..... +This is more than those beeing killed in car-ACCIDENTS! +(Yes, there could be that low sentences or high poverty could influence the +figures but they're still *pretty* high right??) +I also believe Texas has some of the most liberal 'gun-laws' in USA...... + + +*I* should not suffer because of others.... +We all agree on this one, BUT we also live in a sociaty and therefor +we'll have to give up *SOME* of our 'freedom' (Note the ''). + +Do you have an insurance?? +Then you'll have to pay because of what others do... + +Do you buy anything?? +YOU are paying for those who return goods, steal or even those who gets a bonus... + +Do you live with other people?? +Then you 'can't' do ererything you'd want (burping/farting playing music LOUD) + +-What the hell is he trying to say ?? +When you live in a society (USA are stilll counted as one...) you +have to saccrifice. +The question is HOW MUCH. + + +One state (don't remember which, Texas??) tried to impose a rule that you could +only buy ONE gun each MONTH. Think you all know what happened..... + +I respect the right to defend yourself, but that right should not inflict on +other people. + +It seems like you all realize that you have a problem in America, the only +problem is +that you won't take the car away from the drunk driver, you hope to cure him +first. + +Hope life comfirms to the standard of Winnie the Poh. + + + + This is not a .signature. + It's merely a computergenerated text to waste bandwith + and to bring down the evil Internet. + + + Thomas Parsli + thomasp@ifi.uio.no +";3;True +"From: irwin@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Irwin Arnstein) +Subject: Re: BMWMOA Controversy +Distribution: usa +Organization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX +Keywords: BMWMOA Board, history of contretemps +Lines: 24 + +In article <1993Apr15.163043.12770@pb2esac.uucp> prahren@pb2esac.uucp (Peter Ahrens) writes: +>In article <1095@rider.UUCP> joe@rider.cactus.org writes: +>>>vech@Ra.MsState.Edu (Craig A. Vechorik) writes: +>>>...good ol boys that have been there too long. +>> +>> [...] while I agree with you that the current +>>board is garbage, voting you in would simply be trading one form of trash +>>for another...do the opponents of your selections get equal time...? +> +>Yo' Joe, why don't you post what you really think? +> +>If there are any rational BMWMOA folks left out there, may the rest of +>us please have a brief summary of the current state of affairs in your +>esteemed organization, together with an historical outline of how you +>got to the above contretemps? +> + +Now you know why I am just a DOD member. I like bikes and clubs but +the politics and other b*llsh*t is a real turn-off. +-- +----------------------------------------------------------------------- +""Tuba"" (Irwin) ""I honk therefore I am"" CompuTrac-Richardson,Tx +irwin@cmptrc.lonestar.org DoD #0826 (R75/6) +----------------------------------------------------------------------- +";7;True +"From: ernie@ferris (Ernest Smith) +Subject: Re: Handgun Restrictions +Originator: ernie@ferris +Lines: 24 +Nntp-Posting-Host: ferris.cray.com +Organization: Cray Research Superservers, Inc. +Distribution: usa + +>To: bbs.billand@tsoft.net +>Subject: Re: Handgun Restrictions +>Newsgroups: talk.politics.guns +>In-Reply-To: +>Organization: Cray Research, Inc. +>Cc: +>Bcc: +> +In article you write: +>I would like to know what restrictions there are on purchasing handguns +>(ie waiting periods, background check etc..) in the states of Nevada and +>Oregon. Thanks. +> -Bill +> +>-- +>Bill Anderson (bbs.billand@tsoft.net) + + +In Oregon your must get a background check (ie fingerprints, full slap), 15 +day waiting period. That is unless you have a CCW then all requirments +have been meet. + + Ernie Smith + ernie@oregon.cray.com +";3;True +"From: spooge@carson.u.washington.edu (Jeff Barrett) +Subject: Printer Paper Tray +Organization: University of Washington, Seattle +Lines: 5 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu + +I have a Hewlett-Packard LaserJet Series II Paper Tray for sale. +Its letter size (8.5 - 11), brand new in the box and never used. +I'm asking $40.00 (bought new at Ballard Computer for $65.95) + +please reply to Jeffo at spooge@u.washington.edu or (206)543-0340 +";8;True +"From: npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar) +Subject: Re: For JOHS@dhhalden.no (3) - Last +Nntp-Posting-Host: bmdhh299 +Organization: BNR Europe Ltd, Maidenhead, UK +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] +Lines: 33 + +: un021432@wvnvms.wvnet.edu writes: + +: >DUCATI3.UUE +: >QUUNCD Ver. 1.4, by Theodore A. Kaldis. +: >BEGIN--cut here--CUT HERE--Part 3 +: >MG@NH)C1M+AV4)I;^**3NYR7,*(.H&""3V'!X12(&E+AFKIN0@APYT;C[#LI2T + +This GIF was GREAT!! I have it as the backdrop on my Apollo thingy and many +people stop by and admire it. Of course I tell them that I did it myself.... + +It's far too much trouble to contact archive sites to get stuff like this, so +if anybody else has any good GIFs, please, please don't hesitate to post them. + +Is the bra thing still going? +-- + +Nick (the Idiot Biker) DoD 1069 Concise Oxford No Bras + +M'Lud. + + ___ ___ ___ ___ + {""_""} {""_""} {""_""} {""_""} Nick Pettefar, Contractor@Large. + ' ` ` ' ' ` ` ' Currently incarcerated at BNR, + ___ ___ ___ ___ Maidenhead, The United Kingdom. + |""_""| |""_""| |""_""| |""_""| npet@bnr.ca '86 BMW K100RS ""Kay"" + ` ' ' ` ` ' ' ` Pres. PBWASOH(UK), BS 0002 + . + _ _ _ __ . + / ~ ~~\ | / ~~ \ + |_______| [_______| + _:_ + |___| + +";7;True +"From: behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) +Subject: Re: Auto air conditioning without Freon +Organization: NEC Systems Laboratory, Inc. +Lines: 33 + +In article <1993Apr14.155159.32619@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> amh2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ALOIS M. HIMSL) writes: +>Yes, I have the same questions. What makes me upset is that R12 costs are +>skyrocketing and in fact can't be bought anymore in my area. Also this is yet +>another way mechanics and dealers can RIP-OFF customers. Also I was reading +>that the new refrigerant is not compatible with the r12 system and that it +>would cost $ 300 upto a $ 1000 to retrofit a car with the old R12 system. +>ALthough it is important to consider the environment I think the sudden ban is +>a slap in the face for the consumer. Why is it that the consumer should have +>to pay for the retrofit? The auto companies should have seen this coming? Also +>why is it that the governments of the world were so quick in banning freon use +>and yet so slow in banning gasoline. In my opinion gasoline is just as +>hazardous as anything else. Why can't they start proposing bans on this and +>switch to natural gas or electric? The technology is there. Hopefully some +>chemist will come up with another alternative coolant that will be compatible +>with the old system. +>Al H. + + Several chemists already have come up with several substitutes for +R12. You don't hear about them because the Mobile Air Conditioning Society +(MACS), that is, the people who stand to rake in that $300 to $1000 per +retrofit per automobile, have mounted an organized campaign to squash those +R12 substitutes out of existence if not ban them altogether (on very shaky +technical grounds, at best, on outright lies at worst). + + Does this piss you off? Yes? Write a letter to your congressman, to +your senator, to the president, to the EPA, and to the DOT and complain. + +Later, +-- +Chris BeHanna DoD# 114 1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady +behanna@syl.nj.nec.com 1975 CB360T - Baby Bike +Disclaimer: Now why would NEC 1991 ZX-11 - needs a name +agree with any of this anyway? I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs. +";10;True +"From: traven@pitt.edu (Neal Traven) +Subject: Re: Jewish Baseball Players? +Lines: 21 +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] + +ma_ind25@blurt.oswego.edu wrote: +: I believe that Rusty Staub was also a jewish ball-player +: Also, Mordaci Brown back in the early 20th century. He was a pitcher whose +: nickname was ""3 fingers"" Brown....for obvious reasons....he had 3 fingers. + +0 for 2, ma_ind25. + +Daniel Patrick Staub is a Catholic school kid from Nawlins, Mordecai +Brown a farm kid (probably Protestant) from somewhere in the Midwest. +He lost those fingers in a farm machinery accident. + +Jim Palmer isn't Jewish himself, but Mr. Jockey Shorts's adoptive +parents are. + +Also, I'm not absolutely certain that Carew actually converted. His +wife and children certainly are Jewish. + +-- +----------------------------------------------------------------------------- +neal traven+@pitt.edu You're only young once, but you can be + traven@vms.cis.pitt.edu immature forever. -- Larry Andersen +";14;True +"Subject: Re: Cirrus Logic 5426 Graph Card +From: gardner_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz (andy gardner) +Reply-To: gardner_a@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz +Organization: Wellington City Council (Public Access), Wgtn, Nz +NNTP-Posting-Host: kosmos.wcc.govt.nz +Lines: 37 + +In article <1qms3c$37t@news.cs.tu-berlin.de>, wong@cs.tu-berlin.de (Wolfgang Jung) writes: +>After setting up Windows for using my Cirrus Logic 5426 VLB GraphicsCard +>It moved a normal Window from one place to another... + +>...What I was wondering why is it not using the BITBLT Engine which +>is suuposed to be on the Chip. + +>How are the experiences here.. +>Have I done something wrong ? + +The 5426 has its own set of drivers. You may be using the +drivers intended for the 5420 or 5422 by mistake. + +Be sure you have the 5426 driver version 1.2 + +>(I installed the MSWIN 3.1 MultiResolution drivers which where supplied +>with the Card ?!) + +Don't quote me on this one, but I'd steer clear of the +multi resolution driver that allows you to change resolution +without exiting Windows. I think it's buggy. + +>Also if there are new(hopefully faster) drrivers around I would love to +>how to get hold of them :-) (ftp or whatsoever :-) ) + +Version 1.3 drivers are due to be release by Cirrus soon. +Unfortunately, their not available via FTP, you have to dial +up their BBS in the USA. I do this from NZ using a 14.4k modem +to cut down on phone bills. It took me around 7 minutes to +download the v1.2 driver. + + +Good Luck, + +Andy Gardner, +Wellington, New Zealand +Te Whanga-nui-a-Tara, Aotearoa +";6;True +"From: mlee@post.RoyalRoads.ca (Malcolm Lee) +Subject: Re: Who's next? Mormons and Jews? +Organization: Royal Roads Military College, Victoria, B.C. +Lines: 26 + + +In article , pmy@vivaldi.acc.virginia.edu (Pete Yadlowsky) writes: +|> +|> Anyway, I've often wondered what business followers of Christ would have +|> with weapons. +|> +|> -- +|> Peter M. Yadlowsky | Wake! The sky is light! +|> Academic Computing Center | Let us to the Net again... +|> University of Virginia | Companion keyboard. +|> pmy@Virginia.EDU | - after Basho + +IMO, a Christian has no need of weapons. I know it is very contrary to the +American NRA ethos of the right to bear arms, but Christians should rely on +the strength of God to protect them. Note that I say *should*. We are +inherently insecure but I feel that that is not proper justification to be +armed to the teeth. A Christian should not have to rely on physical weapons +to defend himself. A Christian should rely on his faith and intelligence. +For instance, I have the faith that God will protect me but God also gave +me the intelligence to know not to go walking down that dark alley at night. +To jump off a cliff and say that God will save me would be putting God to the +test. And who are we to test God? + +God be with you, + +Malcolm Lee :) +";19;True +"From: hahm@fossi.hab-weimar.de (peter hahm) +Subject: Radiosity +Keywords: radiosity, raytracing, rendering +Nntp-Posting-Host: fossi.hab-weimar.de +Organization: Hochschule fuer Architektur und Bauwesen Weimar, Germany +Lines: 17 + + + +RADIOSITY SOURCES WANTED !!! +============================ + +When I read the comp.graphics group, I never found something about +radiosity. Is there anybody interested in out there? I would be glad +to hear from somebody. +I am looking for source-code for the radiosity-method. I have already +read common literature, e. g.Foley ... . I think little examples could +help me to understand how radiosity works. Common languages ( C, C++, +Pascal) prefered. +I hope you will help me! + +Yours +Peter + +";1;True +"From: steven@advtech.uswest.com ( Steve Novak) +Subject: Re: Old Predictions to laugh at... +Article-I.D.: advtech.1993Apr15.203546.14540 +Organization: U S WEST Advanced Technologies +Lines: 25 +Nntp-Posting-Host: jaynes.advtech.uswest.com + +> = (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes: +>> = (Robert C Hite) writes: + +>>DEAD WRONG! Last time I checked, Jim Fregosi was still managing the +>>Phillies, and doing quite a fine job thank you...best record in +>>baseball at 8-1 + +>Look, asshole, I got him confused with somebody else. I didn't flame +>you, and I would appreciate it if you extended me the same courtesy. + +What _is_ your problem? Hite's post wasn't a flame. It was a +correction of *your* error. + +YOUR reply was a flame. + +>No, I don't know everything in the world. Does that surprise you? + +Not in the least. + + +-- ++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ +| Steve Novak | |""Ban the Bomb!"" ""Ban the POPE!!""| ++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ +steven@advtech.USWest.Com +";14;True +"From: shag@aero.org (Rob Unverzagt) +Subject: Re: space food sticks +Keywords: food +Article-I.D.: news.1pscc6INNebg +Organization: Organization? You must be kidding. +Lines: 35 +NNTP-Posting-Host: aerospace.aero.org + +In article <1pr5u2$t0b@agate.berkeley.edu> ghelf@violet.berkeley.edu (;;;;RD48) writes: +> I had spacefood sticks just about every morning for breakfast in +> first and second grade (69-70, 70-71). They came in Chocolate, +> strawberry, and peanut butter and were cylinders about 10cm long +> and 1cm in diameter wrapped in yellow space foil (well, it seemed +> like space foil at the time). + +Wasn't there a ""plain"" flavor too? They looked more like some +kind of extruded industrial product than food -- perfectly +smooth cylinders with perfectly smooth ends. Kinda scary. + +> The taste is hard to describe, although I remember it fondly. It was +> most certainly more ""candy"" than say a modern ""Power Bar."" Sort of +> a toffee injected with vitamins. The chocolate Power Bar is a rough +> approximation of the taste. Strawberry sucked. + +An other post described it as like a ""microwaved Tootsie Roll"" -- +which captures the texture pretty well. As for taste, they were +like candy, only not very sweet -- does that make sense? I recall +liking them for their texture, not taste. I guess I have well +developed texture buds. + +> Man, these were my ""60's."" + +It was obligatory to eat a few while watching ""Captain Scarlet"". +Does anybody else remember _that_, as long as we're off the +topic of space? + +Shag + +-- +---------------------------------------------------------------------- + Rob Unverzagt | + shag@aerospace.aero.org | Tuesday is soylent green day. +unverzagt@courier2.aero.org | +";2;True +"From: bc744@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Ira Kaufman) +Subject: Re: Ten questions about Israel +Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) +Lines: 8 +NNTP-Posting-Host: slc8.ins.cwru.edu + + + Why does the Center For Policy Research pose such unbelievably +stupid and loaded questions to this newsgroup. What are you? - a +think tank, or a fish tank? Every time I start to believe I have +seen the outer boundaries of your stupidity, you come up with one +step beyond. When will it end, man? Can you actually have brain +enough to dress and feed yourself each morning? + +";15;True +"From: karish@gondwana.Stanford.EDU (Chuck Karish) +Subject: Re: Living +Organization: Mindcraft, Inc. +Lines: 31 + +In article amc@crash.wpd.sgi.com +(Allan McNaughton) writes: +>In article <1993Mar27.040606.4847@eos.arc.nasa.gov>, phil@eos.arc.nasa.gov +(Phil Stone) writes: +>|> Alan, nothing personal, but I object to the ""we all"" in that statement. +>|> (I was on many of those rides that Alan is describing.) Pushing the +>|> envelope does not necessarily equal taking insane chances. + +Moreover, if two riders are riding together at the same speed, +one might be riding well beyond his abilities and the other +may have a safety margin left. + +>Oh come on Phil. You're an excellent rider, but you still take plenty of +>chances. Don't tell me that it's just your skill that keeps you from +>getting wacked. There's a lot of luck thrown in there too. You're a very +>good rider and a very lucky one too. Hope your luck holds.... + +Allan, I know the circumstances of several of your falls. +On the ride when you fell while I was next behind you, +you made an error of judgement by riding too fast when +you knew the road was damp, and you reacted badly when +you were surprised by an oncoming car. That crash was +due to factors that were subject to your control. + +I won't deny that there's a combination of luck and skill +involved for each of us, but it seems that you're blaming +bad luck for more of your own pain than is warranted. +-- + + Chuck Karish karish@mindcraft.com + (415) 323-9000 x117 karish@pangea.stanford.edu +";7;True +"From: ten0772@eafs000.ca.boeing.com (Timothy E. Neto) +Subject: Re: X-server multi screen +Organization: be41t +Lines: 37 + +rainer@sun3.eeam.elin.co.at (Rainer Hochreiter) writes: + +>Hi Xperts, some simple questions for you: + +>I've seen a lot of different terms, which seem to mean the same thing. +>Who can give an exact definition what these terms mean: + +> -) multi-screen +> -) multi-headed +> -) multi-display +> -) X-Server zaphod mode + +>Is there a limit how many screens/displays a single server can handle +>(in an articel a read something about an upper limit of 12) ? + +>How is the capability called, if I want to move the cursor from one +>screen/display to another. + +>Any hints welcome. + +>Thanks, rainer. +>-- +>Rainer Hochreiter | Telephone: +43 (1) 89100 / 3961 +>ELIN-Energieanwendung GesmbH | Telefax : +43 (1) 89100 / 3387 +>Penzingerstr. 76 | +>A-1141 Wien, Austria/Europe | E-mail : rainer@elin.co.at + +As to how many clients may be display on a server, I believe the limit +would be how much memory is available to your server or allocated by the +server. + + +-- +Indecision is the key to | Timothy E. Neto (206) 655-5190 1 000 +flexibility, & you can't | Of B & T's Gadget & Widget Works 1 0. .0 +E-Mail God. | Flight Systems Lab, Boeing Comm. Aircraft 1 0 _ 0 +My ideas not Boeing's | Internet: ten0772@aw401.fsl.ca.boeing.com 1 000 +";12;True +"From: kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Keith Keller) +Subject: Re: Who picks first? +Organization: University of Pennsylvania, School of Arts and Sciences +Lines: 9 +Nntp-Posting-Host: mail.sas.upenn.edu + +Ottawa picks first, because they had fewer wins during the season, the +first tiebreaker. + +-- + Keith Keller LET'S GO RANGERS!!!!! + LET'S GO QUAKERS!!!!! + kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu IVY LEAGUE CHAMPS!!!! + + ""When I want your opinion, I'll give it to you."" +";13;True +"From: dkl@cs.arizona.edu (David K. Lowenthal) +Subject: Re: Braves & Giants +Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson +Lines: 13 + +>> The situation with the Giants' bleachers is a case in point for the +>>need for a commissioner. + +This is true, but the main thing the commish i.e. Selig needs to do +is to suspend Bobby Cox. You *cannot* allow a team to come out at +the ump as the Braves did. I usually rip umps, but in this case, +the players were dead wrong. Cox should go for 5 games. If I +had ever umped a game where that happened, I'd have ejected every +player that came out. Only Cox and Gant would have been spared, and +then Cox would have gone in the ensuing argument. + +--dave + +";14;True +"From: dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) +Subject: Turkish Government Agents on UseNet Lie Through Their Teeth! +Article-I.D.: urartu.1993Apr15.204512.11971 +Organization: S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies +Lines: 63 + +In revision of history <9304131827@zuma.UUCP> as posted by Turkish Government +Agents under the guise of sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) LIE in response to +article <1993Apr13.033213.4148@urartu.sdpa.org> hla@urartu.sdpa.org and +scribed: + +[(*] Orhan Gunduz is blown up. Gunduz receives an ultimatum: Either +[(*] he gives up his honorary position or he will be ""executed"". He +[(*] refuses. ""Responsibility"" is claimed by JCAG and SDPA. + +[(*] May 4, 1982 - Cambridge, Massachusetts +[(*] Orhan Gunduz, the Turkish honorary consul in Boston, would not bow +[(*] to the Armenian terrorist ultimatum that he give up his title of +[(*] ""honorary consul"". Now he is attacked and murdered in cold blood. +[(*] President Reagan orders an all-out manhunt-to no avail. An eye- +[(*] witness who gave a description of the murderer is shot down. He +[(*] survives... but falls silent. One of the most revolting ""triumphs"" in +[(*] the senseless, mindless history of Armenian terrorism. Such a murder +[(*] brings absolutely nothing - except an ego boost for the murderer +[(*] within the Armenian terrorist underworld, which is already wallowing +[(*] in self-satisfaction. +[(*] +[(*] Were you involved in the murder of Sarik Ariyak? + +[(*] December 17, 1980 - Sydney +[(*] Two Nazi Armenians massacre Sarik Ariyak and his bodyguard, Engin +[(*] Sever. JCAG and SDPA claim responsibility. + +Mr. Turkish Governmental Agent: prove that the SDPA even existed in 1980 or +1982! Go ahead, provide us the newspaper accounts of the assassinations and +show us the letters SDPA! The Turkish government is good at excising text from +their references, let's see how good thay are at adding text to verifiable +newspaper accounts! + +The Turkish government can't support any of their anti-Armenian claims as +typified in the above scribed garbage! That government continues to make +false and libelous charges for they have no recourse left after having made +fools out of through their attempt at a systematic campaign at denying and +covering up the Turkish genocide of the Armenians. + +Just like a dog barking at a moving bus, it barks, jumps, yells, until the +bus stops, at which point it just walks away! Such will be with this posting! +Turkish agents level the most ridiculous charges, and when brought to answer, +they are silent, like the dog after the bus stops! + +The Turkish government feels it can funnel a heightened state of ultra- +nationalism existing in Turkey today onto UseNet and convince people via its +revisionist, myopic, and incidental view of themselves and their place in the +world. + +The resulting inability to address Armenian and Greek refutations of Turkey`s +re-write of history is to refer to me as a terrorist, and worse, claim -- +as part of the record -- I took responsibility for the murder of 2 people! + +What a pack of raging fools, blinded by anti-Armenian fascism. It's too bad +the socialization policies of the Republic of Turkey requires it to always +find non-Turks to de-humanize! Such will be their downfall! + + +-- +David Davidian dbd@urartu.sdpa.org | ""How do we explain Turkish troops on +S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies | the Armenian border, when we can't +P.O. Box 382761 | even explain 1915?"" +Cambridge, MA 02238 | Turkish MP, March 1992 +";15;True +"From: ""Terence M. Rokop"" +Subject: Re: Patrick Playoffs Look Like This +Organization: Freshman, Physics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA +Lines: 20 + +NNTP-Posting-Host: po5.andrew.cmu.edu +In-Reply-To: + +Jan Brittenson writes: + +>last year. The Pens' weak spot is defense and goaltending -- if Boston + + ... + +> Boston doesn't have the guns of the Pens, but the Pens doesn't have +>the defense, goaltending, and discipline of Boston. Still, Boston can + +Why do you say this? As of now, the Pens and Bruins have played the +same number of games, and given up the same number of goals. They are +tied for the third and fourth best defenses in the league, behind +Chicago first and Toronto second. The Pens' weak spot is defense? Only +by comparison to their offense, which is second in the league to +Detroit. But the Pens are no weaker on defense and goaltending than the +Bruins are; that is, they are both very strong. + + + + Terry +";13;True +"From: clamen+@CS.CMU.EDU (Stewart Clamen) +Subject: Re: Binyamin Netanyahu on CNN tonight. +In-Reply-To: mkaye@world.std.com's message of Thu, 15 Apr 1993 13:56:58 GMT +Originator: clamen@BYRON.SP.CS.CMU.EDU +Nntp-Posting-Host: byron.sp.cs.cmu.edu +Reply-To: clamen+@CS.CMU.EDU +Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University +Lines: 15 + + +In article mkaye@world.std.com (Martin Kaye) writes: + + Great interview with Benjamin Netanyahu on CNN - Larry King Live (4/15/93) + This guy is knows what he is talking about. He is truely charismatic, + articulate, intelligent, and demonstrates real leadership qualities. + +I agree, but I wish I liked his politics. + +-- +Stewart M. Clamen Internet: clamen@cs.cmu.edu +School of Computer Science UUCP: uunet!""clamen@cs.cmu.edu"" +Carnegie Mellon University Phone: +1 412 268 2145 +5000 Forbes Avenue Fax: +1 412 681 5739 +Pittsburgh, PA 15213-3891, USA +";15;True +"From: nether@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Joel C Belog) +Subject: Space Shuttle information wanted +Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute +Lines: 15 +NNTP-Posting-Host: bigwpi.wpi.edu + + + +Hello everyone, + + I was hoping someone could help me out. I'm writing a program + for my astronautics class for assent of the shuttle into a low + orbit. There are two things I'd like to know, First, how much + time elapses between launch and the pitch over. Second, what is + the cross-sectional area of the shuttle, srb's, and ext. tank. + + Thanks for any information, post or e-mail. + + Joel Belog + nether@wpi.wpi.edu + +";2;True +"From: ""Robert Knowles"" +Subject: Re: Amusing atheists and agnostics +In-Reply-To: +Nntp-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 +Organization: Kupajava, East of Krakatoa +X-Mailer: PSILink-DOS (3.3) +Lines: 19 + +>DATE: 18 Apr 93 23:17:25 GMT +>FROM: Bake Timmons +> +> These Bible-lovers have got to chill out. If we all could just relax +>and see atheism for what it is, the funny pages could have more material. +> +> Atheism denies the existence of God. This is logically bankrupt -- +>where is the proof of this nonexistence? It's a joke. +> +> So nobody can take the above sense of atheism seriously. Perhaps + +Perhaps because you just made it up? + +Now put your skateboard away and read the FAQ. Learn something about atheism +before you get off on these tangents. + + + + +";9;True +"From: cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) +Subject: Re: The Role of the National News Media in Inflaming Passions +Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA +Lines: 17 + +In article , gsh7w@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Hennessy) writes: +> Kaldis writes: +> #The fact that she was wearing a miniskirt with no underwear was +> #presented as evidence that she was a prostitute, and the court +> #apparently found this compelling. +> +> Ah, I know women who wear miniskirts without wearing underwear, and +> they are not prostitutes. + +Do they have a history of working in massage parlors, and telling +co-workers there that they are prostitutes? Do they frequent truck +stop parking lots at 4:00 AM, without ID on any sort? + +> -Greg Hennessy, University of Virginia +-- +Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer My opinions, all mine! +Relations between people to be by mutual consent, or not at all. +";18;True +"From: bc744@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Ira Kaufman) +Subject: Re: Hamza Salah, the Humanist +Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) +Lines: 8 +NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu + + +Mr. Salah, why are you such a homicidal racist? Do you feel this +same hatred towards Christans, or is it only Jews? Are you from +a family of racists? Did you learn this racism in your home? Or +are you a self-made bigot? How does one become such a racist? I +wonder what you think your racism will accomplish. Are you under +the impression that your racism will help bring peace in the mid- +east? I would like to know your thoughts on this. +";15;True +"From: hambidge@bms.com +Subject: Re: Lavishly Funded ""Gun Epidemic"" Propaganda Campaign to Commence +Reply-To: hambidge@bms.com +Organization: Bristol-Myers Squibb +Distribution: usa +Lines: 20 + +In article , manes@magpie.linknet.com (Steve Manes) writes: +>Morris the Cat (rats@cbnewsc.cb.att.com) wrote: +> +>: Well, as Neal Knox of the Firearms Coalition points out, the full +>: force of the anti-gun ruling class, their multi-millions, their +>: polling organizations, their schools, their news media, their +>: ""entertainment"" media +> +>The entertainment media... a ""force of the anti-gun ruling class""?? +>Is this the same media that's made billions producing films and +>television that glorify guns and gun users? Or is that another +>anti-gun media? +> +>You've got to be kidding. + +I'm afraid he isn't. They are a hypocritical lot. + +Al +[standard disclaimer] + +";3;True +"From: lli+@cs.cmu.edu (Lori Iannamico) +Subject: Re: Too Many Europeans in NHL +Nntp-Posting-Host: lli.mach.cs.cmu.edu +Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon +Lines: 26 + +In article rauser@fraser.sfu.ca (Richard John Rauser) writes: +> +> +> Ten years ago, the number of Europeans in the NHL was roughly a quarter +>of what it is now. Going into the 1992/93 season, the numbers of Euros on +>NHL teams have escalated to the following stats: +> +>Canadians: 400 +>Americans: 100 +>Europeans: 100 + +Xenophobic trash deleted. + +> I'm all for the creation of a European Hockey League, and let the Bures +>and Selannes of the world play on their own continent. +> +> I just don't want them on mine. + +If you're going to go to those extremes, I guess you'd better start +packing. Because unless you're a Native North American, this isn't +your continent either. + +Lori + + + +";13;True +"Subject: *** Text Books for sale [must sell]*** +From: koutd@hiramb.hiram.edu (DOUGLAS KOU) +Organization: Hiram College +Nntp-Posting-Host: hiramb.hiram.edu +Lines: 22 + +I have several books which I really wish to sell. + +Calculus with Analytic Geometry by Howard Anton 3rd edition + +Chemistry by Zumdahl second edition. + +Acts of War-- the behavior of men in battle by Richard Holmes + +Observing the Nixon Years by Jonathan Schell + +The Things They carried by Tim O'Brien + +Shrapnel in the Heart-- Letters and remembrances from the Vietname +Memorial by Laura Palmer + +The Good War-- an oral history of world war two by Studs Terkel + +Make me an offer, you could contact me at koutd@hirama.hiram.edu + +Douglas Kou +Hiram College + +";8;True +"Subject: MIT R5 on Sun with Rasterops TC Colorboard +From: mark@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Mark Davies) +Distribution: world +Organization: Dept. of Comp. Sci., Victoria Uni. of Wellington, New Zealand. +NNTP-Posting-Host: bats.comp.vuw.ac.nz +Lines: 9 + + +Is it possible to run an MIT R5 based Xserver on a Sun with a Rasterops TC +Colorboard (24bit board)? I have the Xsun24 patches for supporting sun's +24bit frame buffers but does the rasterops appear as if its a cgtwelve or +something else? I know nothing about the rasterops other than we might be +buying one to put in an IPX. + +cheers +mark +";12;True +"From: duck@nuustak.csir.co.za (Paul Ducklin) +Subject: Re: Do we need the clipper for cheap security? +Organization: CSIR, South AFrica +Lines: 27 +NNTP-Posting-Host: nuustak.csir.co.za +X-Disclaimer: None of the opions expressed herein are the official +X-Disclaimer: opinions of the CSIR or any of its subsidiaries. +X-Disclaimer: ** So don't freak out at _us_ about anything ** + + +gtoal@gtoal.com (Graham Toal) writes: + +>Can someone tell me if hardware compression is or is not needed to run +>digital speech down 14.4K? I think it is; I've heard it's not. Lets +>say 8 bit samples. Would *raw* data at the corresponding sampling rate +>be usable? If not, how fancy does the compression need to be? + +It's all easy with a DSP. The Olivetti Quaderno, for example [*great* 1kg +subnotebook/palmtop PC -- sorry for the plug, folks, but Olivetti don't +seem to be doing a good job marketing it themselves :-)] includes sound +digitisation hardware; they provide vocoders for their DSP which produce +varous bit-rates. There's one which gives pretty acceptable voice +quality at 13Kbit/sec, just right for a V.32bis modem. + +Their DSP can play and record at the same time, too -- so you wouldn't +need to play ""two-way-radio"". You can also download code to the DSP +subunit, though you'd need a software development kit for the DSP in +question [dunno which it is...] if you wanted to produce your own +vocoder for, say, V.32 speeds. + +Paul + + /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ + \ Paul Ducklin duck@nuustak.csir.co.za / + / CSIR Computer Virus Lab + Box 395 + Pretoria + 0001 S Africa \ + \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ +";16;True +"From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) +Subject: Re: hawks vs leafs lastnight +Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department +Distribution: na +Lines: 15 + +In article <93106.082502ACPS6992@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca> Raj Ramnarace writes: +>did anyone else see this game last night ? just like a playoff game!! +>lots of hitting...but I was disappointed by the video goal judge... +>on all replays, joe murphy's goal shouldn't have counted ! it didn't go in net +>!! and according to the tsn broadcasters, the video goal judge said that he +>saw the water bottle on top of the cage move so he assumed the puck went in! +>this is terrible...hope crap like this doesn't occur in the playoffs! +>the game would have ended in 2-2 tie ! + +I thought the red light went on...thus, in the review, the presumption +would be to find conclusive evidence that the puck did not go in the +net...from the replays I say, even from the rear, the evidence wasn't +conclusive that the puck was in or out...in my opinion... + +Gerald +";13;True +"From: jfc@athena.mit.edu (John F Carr) +Subject: Re: The state of justice +Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology +Lines: 13 +NNTP-Posting-Host: achates.mit.edu + +In article <1993Apr15.170239.8211@hemlock.cray.com> + rja@mahogany126.cray.com (Russ Anderson) writes: + +>There's a guy on death row in Texas that was denied a new trial, dispite +>evidence of his inocents. + +I recommend the book ""Adams _v_ Texas"", the story of a man (Adams) who +was sentenced to death for a crime he didn't commit. Most of the book +is the story of the long appeals process, and the problems and delays +caused by not being able to introduce new evidence in certain courts. + +-- + John Carr (jfc@athena.mit.edu) +";18;True +"From: hbrooks@uiatma.atmos.uiuc.edu (Harold_Brooks) +Subject: RBI, RISP, and SLG +Organization: Bill's Safety Cab and Record Bar, Chickasha, OK +Lines: 49 + +Off and on over the last several months, threads about RBIs and +related topics have gotten me to thinking about how well we can +predict a player's RBIs using information about his overall +performance and the number of runners in scoring position (RISP) +that he bats with. In the Brock2 model, Bill James calculated +predicted RBIs as RBI=.235*(Total Bases) + Home Runs. This +completely ignores the context, which was all that Brock2 +could do, since context was unknown to it. So I thought I'd +take that idea as a starting point and look how good a fit to +the data you get by comparing (RBI-Home Runs) to SLG*RISP. + +I've started with team data, using data from the Elias's that +I've picked up over the years when a) I could afford them and +b) I could stomach the thought of increasing Elias's profits. +That gave me the years 1984-1986, 1988, and 1990. (I don't +have team RBIs for '87 or I could add that year.) If you +run a simple least squares fit to the data you get + +(RBI-Home Runs) = 0.81*SLG*RISP. + +The correlation between the LHS and the RHS is 0.86, which is +significant at a ridiculously high level. So, I feel like the +fit is good at the team level. I've no started to move on to +the player level and have looked at 4 players (Will Clark, +Ozzie Smith, Joe Carter, and Don Mattingly). I hope to +add quite a few more during my copious free time this year. + +It doesn't do too badly, except the equation underpredicts the +low HR hitter (Smith), which may be a fault of the model or it +could just be Ozzie. The results: + + RBI-HR + Years Actual Predicted +Carter (84-88,90) 400 402.6 +Clark (87,88,90,92) 269 269.6 +Matt'ly (84-88,90) 471 460.8 +Smith (84-88,90) 317 280.6 + +I think we can make a case (and I hope to make it stronger) that +RBIs can be predicted simply from knowing how a player slugs overall +and how many men are in scoring position when he comes up. + +More later, +Harold +-- +Harold Brooks hbrooks@uiatma.atmos.uiuc.edu +National Severe Storms Laboratory (Norman, OK) +""I used to work for a brewery, too, but I didn't drink on the job."" +-P. Bavasi on Dal Maxvill's view that Florida can win the NL East in '93 +";14;True +"From: smb@research.att.com (Steven Bellovin) +Subject: Clipper chip -- technical details +Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories +Lines: 121 + +I received the following two notes from Martin Hellman with details +on how Clipper will work. They are posted with his permission. The +implications of some details are fascinating. + +------- +Date: Sat, 17 Apr 93 23:05:23 PDT +From: ""Martin Hellman"" +To: (a long list of recipients) +Subject: Clipper Chip + + +Most of you have seen the announcement in Friday's NY Times, +etc. about NIST (National Institute of Standards & Technology) +announcing the ""Clipper Chip"" crypto device. Several messges +on the net have asked for more technical details, and some have +been laboring under understandable misunderstandings given +the lack of details in the news articles. So here to help out +is your friendly NSA link: me. I was somewhat surprised Friday +to get a call from the Agency which supplied many of the missing +details. I was told the info was public, so here it is (the cc of this +to Dennis Branstad at NIST is mostly as a double check on my +facts since I assume he is aware of all this; please let me know +if I have anything wrong): + +The Clipper Chip will have a secret crypto algorithm embedded in +Silicon. Each chip will have two secret, 80-bit keys. One will be the +same for all chips (ie a system-wide key) and the other will be unit +specific. I don't know what NIST and NSA will call them, but I will +call them the system key SK and unit key UK in this message. +The IC will be designed to be extremely difficult to reverse so +that the system key can be kept secret. (Aside: It is clear that +they also want to keep the algorithm secret and, in my opinion, +it may be as much for that as this stated purpose.) The unit key +will be generated as the XOR of two 80-bit random numbers K1 +and K2 (UK=K1+K2) which will be kept by the two escrow +authorities. Who these escrow authorities will be is still to be +decided by the Attorney General, but it was stressed to me that +they will NOT be NSA or law enforcement agencies, that they +must be parties acceptable to the users of the system as unbiased. +When a law enforcement agency gets a court order, they will +present it to these two escrow authorities and receive K1 and +K2, thereby allowing access to the unit key UK. + +In addition to the system key, each user will get to choose his +or her own key and change it as often as desired. Call this key +plain old K. When a message is to be sent it will first be +encrypted under K, then K will be encrypted under the unit key UK, +and the serial number of the unit added to produce a three part +message which will then be encrypted under the system key SK +producing + + E{ E[M; K], E[K; UK], serial number; SK} + +When a court order obtains K1 and K2, and thence K, the law +enforcement agency will use SK to decrypt all information +flowing on the suspected link [Aside: It is my guess that +they may do this constantly on all links, with or without a +court order, since it is almost impossible to tell which links +over which a message will flow.] This gives the agency access to + + E[M; K], E[K; UK], serial number + +in the above message. They then check the serial number +of the unit and see if it is on the ""watch list"" for which they +have a court order. If so, they will decrypt E[K; UK] to obtain K, +and then decrypt E[M; K] to obtain M. + +I am still in the process of assessing this scheme, so please do +not take the above as any kind of endorsement of the proposed +scheme. All I am trying to do is help all of us assess the scheme +more knowledgably. But I will say that the need for just one court +order worries me. I would feel more comfortable (though not +necessarily comfortable!) if two separate court orders were +needed, one per escrow authority. While no explanation is +needed, the following story adds some color: In researching +some ideas that Silvio Micali and I have been kicking around, +I spoke with Gerald Gunther, the constitutional law expert +here at Stanford and he related the following story: When +Edward Levi became Pres. Ford's attorney general (right +after Watergate), he was visited by an FBI agent asking +for ""the wiretap authorizations."" When Levy asked for +the details so he could review the cases as required by +law, the agent told him that his predecessors just turned +over 40-50 blank, signed forms every time. Levi did not +comply and changed the system, but the lesson is clear: +No single person or authority should have the power to +authorize wiretaps (or worse yet, divulging of personal +keys). Sometimes he or she will be an Edward Levi +and sometimes a John Mitchell. + +Martin Hellman + +---- + +Date: Sun, 18 Apr 93 11:41:42 PDT +From: ""Martin Hellman"" +To: smb@research.att.com +Subject: Re: Clipper Chip + +It is fine to post my previous message to sci.crypt +if you also post this message with it in which: + +1. I ask recipients to be sparse in their requesting further info +from me or asking for comments on specific questions. By +this posting I apologize for any messages I am unable to +respond to. (I already spend too much time answering too much +e-mail and am particularly overloaded this week with other +responsibilities.) + +2. I note a probably correction sent to me by Dorothy Denning. +She met with the person from NSA that +I talked with by phone, so her understanding is likely to +better than mine on this point: Where I said the transmitted +info is E{ E[M; K], E[K; UK], serial number; SK} +she says the message is not double encrypted. The system +key (or family key as she was told it is called) only encrypts +the serial number or the serial number and the encrypted +unit key. This is not a major difference, but I thought it +should be mentioned and thank her for bringing it to +my attention. It makes more sense since it cuts down +on encryption computation overhead. +";16;True +"From: I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau) +Subject: Ontology (was: Benediktine Metaphysics) +Organization: Technical University Braunschweig, Germany +Lines: 46 + +In article <66019@mimsy.umd.edu> +mangoe@cs.umd.edu (Charley Wingate) writes: + +> +>> IF IT IS CONTRADICTORY IT CANNOT EXIST. +> +>""Contradictory"" is a property of language. If I correct this to +> +> +> THINGS DEFINED BY CONTRADICTORY LANGUAGE DO NOT EXIST +> + +No need to correct it, it stands as it is said. + + + +>I will object to definitions as reality. If you then amend it to +> +> THINGS DESCRIBED BY CONTRADICTORY LANGUAGE DO NOT EXIST +> +>then we've come to something which is plainly false. Failures in +>description are merely failures in description. +> + +You miss the point entirely. Things defined by contradictory language +do not exist. Though something existing might be meant, conclusions +drawn from the description are wrong, unless there is the possibility +to find the described, and draw conclusions from direct knowledge of +the described then. Another possibility is to drop the contradictory +part, but that implies that one can trust the concept as presented +and that one has not got to doubt the source of it as well. + +>(I'm not an objectivist, remember.) +> + +Neither am I. But either things are directly sensed (which includes +some form of modelling, by the way) or they are used in modelling. +Using something contradictive in modelling is not approved of. +Wonder why? + +We remain with the question if something contradictory can be sensed +as contradictory. An important point is that either one manages to +resolve the contradictions or one is forced not to use or to refer +to the contradictory part in drawing conclusions, or one will fall +in the garbage in garbage out trap. + Benedikt +";9;True +"From: dvb@ick (David Van Beveren) +Subject: Re: This year's biggest and worst (opinion)... +Article-I.D.: abyss.1psqioINN3mg +Distribution: world +Organization: Sunsoft Inc., Los Angeles, CA. +Lines: 25 +NNTP-Posting-Host: ick +X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3 + +assist@orion.oac.uci.edu (ASSIST Coordination Site) writes: +: In article smale@healthy.uwaterloo.ca (Bryan Smale) writes: +: > MVP Biggest Biggest +: > Suprise Disappointment +: +: >Los Angeles Kings Robitaille Donnelly Hrudey +: +: +: I would have chosen Alex Zhitnik for biggest suprise. They +: did expect that he would become a great defenseman, but I don't +: think anyone knew that he was going to be this impressive in his +: rookie year. His speed, skating ability, and puck control is +: exceptional -- he is the one to watch on the Kings. +: + +I agree, with Marty McSorely and Warren Rychel running a close second and +third. I am surprised more people have not noted Knickle as the biggest +surprise, even though I personally do not really rate him well. The biggest +disappointment has to be Carson. Though this is really unfair, since too much +was expected of him. The second biggest disappointment is Melrose, with his +adolescent handling of the goaltending problems. Putting Hrudey on the bench +for a month is just stupid. It did not contribute to the team coming out of +its slump. MVP is surely Robitaille. + +dvb +";13;True +"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) +Subject: Re: Turkey-Cyprus-Bosnia-Serbia-Greece (Armenia-Azeris) +Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) +Distribution: world +Lines: 153 + +In article <1993Apr20.143453.3127@news.uiowa.edu> mau@herky.cs.uiowa.edu (Mau Napoleon) writes: + +>Instabul was called Konstantinoupolis from 320 AD until about the 1920s. +>That's about 1600 years. There many people alive today who were born in +>a city called Konstantinoupolis. + +I know it doesn't make sense, but since when is 'Napoleon' about +sense, anyway? Further striking bigoted and racist attitude of +certain Greeks still exists in our day. Most Greeks insist even +today, that the 537 year-old capital of the Ottoman Empire should +be called not by its rightful name of Istanbul, but by its half +a millennium-old moniker 'Cons*(whatever).' + +Everyone knows that New York City was once called 'New Amsterdam' +but Dutch people do not persist on calling it that today. The name +of Stalingrad too is long gone, replaced by Volgagrad. China's +Peking traded its name for Beiging long ago. Ciudad Trujillo +of the Dominican Republic is now Santa Domingo. Zimbabve's +old colonial capital Salisburry became Harrare. These changes +have all been accepted officially by everyone in the world. + +But, Greeks are still determined on calling the Turkish Istanbul +by the name of 'Cons*.' + +How can one explain this total intransigence? What makes Greeks +so different from other mortals? 18-year-old questionable +democracy? Why don't they seem to reconcile with the fact, +for instance, that Istanbul changed hands 537 years ago in +1453 AD, and that this predates the discovery of the New +World, by 39 years. The declaration of U.S. independence +in 1776 will come 284 years later. + +Shouldn't then, half a millennium be considered enough time for +'Cons*' to be called a Turkish city? Where is the logic in the +Greek reasoning, if there is any? How long can one sit on the +laurels of an ancient civilization? Ancient Greece does not exist, +any more than any other 16 civilizations that existed on the soil +of Anatolia. + +These undereducated 'wieneramus' live with an illusion. It +is the same mentality which allows them to rationalize +that Cyprus is a Greek Island. No history book shows +that it ever was. It belonged to the Ottoman Turks 'lock, +stock and barrel' for a period of well over 300 years. + +In fact, prior to the Turks' acquisition of it, following +bloody naval battles with the Venetians in 1570 AD, the +island of Cyprus belonged, invariably, to several nations: + +The Assyrians, the Sumerians, the Phoenicians, the Egyptians, +the Ottoman Turks, of course in that order, owned it as +their territory. But, it has never been the possession +of the government of Greece - not even for one day - +in the history of the world. Moreover, Cyprus is +located 1500 miles from the Greek mainland, but only +40 miles from Turkiye's southern coastline. + +Saddam Hussein claims that Kuwait was once Iraqi +territory and the Greek Cypriot government and +the terrorist Greek governments think that Cyprus +also was once part of the Greek hegemony. + +Those 'Arromdians' involved in this grandiose hallucination +should wake up from their sweet daydreams and confront +reality. Again, wishful thinking is unproductive, only +facts count. + +As for Selanik, + + <> + + <> + +[47] Robert Mantran, 'La structure sociale de la communaute juive de + Salonqiue a la fin du dix-neuvieme siecle', RH no.534 (1980), 391-92; + Nehama VII, 762; Joseph Nehama (Salonica) to AIU (Paris) no.2868/2, + 12 May 1903 (AIU Archives I-C-43); and no.2775, 10 January 1900 (AIU + Archives I-C-41), describing daily battles between Jewish and Greek + children in the streets of Salonica. Benghiat, Director of Ecole Moise + Allatini, Salonica, to AIU (Paris), no.7784, 1 December 1909 (AIU + Archives I-C-48), describing Greek attacks on Jews, boycotts of Jewish + shops and manufacturers, and Greek press campaigns leading to blood libel + attacks. Cohen, Ecole Secondaire Moise Allatini, Salonica, to AIU (Paris), + no.7745/4, 4 December 1912 (AIU Archives I-C-49) describes a week of terror + that followed the Greek army occupation of Salonica in 1912, with the + soldiers pillaging the Jewish quarters and destroying Jewish synagogues, + accompanied by what he described as an 'explosion of hatred' by local + Greek population against local Jews and Muslims. Mizrahi, President of the + AIU at Salonica, reported to the AIU (Paris), no.2704/3, 25 July 1913 + (AIU Archives I-C-51) that 'It was not only the irregulars (Comitadjis) + that massacred, pillaged and burned. The Army soldiers, the Chief of + Police, and the high civil officials also took an active part in the + horrors...', Moise Tovi (Salonica) to AIU (Paris) no.3027 (20 August 1913) + (AIU Archives I-C-51) describes the Greek pillage of the Jewish quarter + during the night of 18-19 August 1913. + +(AIU = Alliance Israelite Universelle, Paris.) + +Serdar Argic + + 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that + might serve as ways of escape for the Turks + and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' + (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) + 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists + a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) + +";15;True +"From: b645zaw@utarlg.uta.edu (stephen) +Subject: Re: Comments on the Koresh 3-02 Transcript +News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 +Nntp-Posting-Host: utarlg.uta.edu +Organization: The University of Texas at Arlington +Lines: 102 + +In article <1993Apr14.200259.20419@microsoft.com>, +iank@microsoft.com (Ian Kennedy) writes... + +(stephen) wrote: +>>Correction to my prior post, proper citation is: +>> +>> Isaiah 30:26 -- Moreover the light of the moon shall +>> be as the light of the sun, and the light of the +>> sun shall be sevenfold, as the light of seven days, +>> in the day that the LORD bindeth up the breach of +>> his people, and healeth the stroke of their wound. +> +>So we have to wait for the sun to nova? + +More along the lines of Hebrews 12:25-29, I reckon... + + See that you refuse not him that speaks. For if they + escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much + more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that + speaks from heaven: + + Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he has promised, + saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also + heaven. + + And this word, Yet once more, signifies the removing of + those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, + that those things which cannot be shaken may remain. + + Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, + let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably + with reverence and godly fear: + + For our God is a consuming fire. + + +Or 2nd Thessalonians 1:7-10... + + And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord + Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, + In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, + and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: + + Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from + the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; + When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be + admired in all them that believe (because our testimony + among you was believed) in that day. + + +Kinda gives Flaming a whole new meaning, I reckon. + + - < > - + +The impression I got from talking with Livingston was that the coming +of the Lord, power-wise, is going to be something that those who are +unprepared can't handle -- kinda like overloading a fuse -- due to +guilt. Somehow it seems to also apply to the entire physical world as +we know it. LF suggests that God doesn't want that and has sent Koresh +as a reminder. + +Seems that those who have been purified through salvation, or that those +protected by the Seals, will be the ones who survive. And no -- I don't +have a good idea yet what ""being shielded by the seals"" actually involves +or how exactly it relates to salvation. (Other than it involves the +marriage of the Bridegroom and the Bride... for those of you Biblical +well versed.) + - < > - + +Me personally, I'm totally 100% dependent on God through Christ, so +if God wants me to understand, good. If not, also good. If God wants +to save me, or dispose of me, that's great either way. Being born in +the Spirit, means being part of the Body of Christ (Ephesians 2), so +who and what I was, matters little. * What's important is loving GOD * + +Come Nova, Nuke, or Apocalypse -- who cares? Satan might even be able +to pull off a pretty convincing fake. Big deal. Not worth fearing or +worrying about though, not before: + + + -* The Greater Glory of GOD *- + + +Maybe Koresh is right, maybe he isn't, and it should be interesting to +see the new message (or prophecy). The tour of the Bible I've taken in +studying the passages he points to in the 3-02 text, has been most re- +warding. But the test of prophecy is still the fruit it bears -- which +is not yet clear. + +Much much more important is ""Charity"" -- which by definition *is* -- + + Love for GOD + +(I hope Dear Reader, you've taken all this as an expression of faith, + and not a statement of mere fact. Seems many folks get real upset at + reminders. ;-) + + | +-- J -- + | + | stephen + +";19;True +"From: betts@netcom.com (Jonathan Betts) +Subject: Ghost on Apple 12"" Color -> user=insane!! +Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) +Lines: 16 + +Dear Netters, + +My sister has an Apple 12"" Color Display hooked up to an LC. + +Problem: There is an annoying, horizontal, ghost-like stripe that +precesses vertically about once per second. It is about 1 cm high. +She is in grave danger of going insane because of it. + +Any ideas of what it might be and how I might cure it for her? + +-Joe Betts +betts@netcom.com + +PS: if I pick up the display (I thought it might be RFI from the LC) it +seems to get worse! + +";0;True +"From: bob1@cos.com (Bob Blackshaw) +Subject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time +Organization: Corporation for Open Systems +Distribution: na +Lines: 21 + +In <1993Apr15.040118.29272@slcs.slb.com> dcd@se.houston.geoquest.slb.com (Dan Day) writes: + +>In article callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison) writes: +>>In article <1993Apr13.215605.26252@slcs.slb.com> dcd@se.houston.geoquest.slb.com (Dan Day) writes: +>>> +>>>How about those really ugly fake wheel compartments stuck onto the +>>>trunk or side (or both sides!) of some tacky luxury cars? +>> +>>Some of 'em aren't fake (if you're talking about the Continental kit, +>>named after the Lincoln Continental, the first car to sport one). I +>>personally would _love_ to have a '56 T-Bird with a Continental kit +>>(and the supercharged V-8 :-); that is one of the most beautiful +>>cars ever built, IMHO. + +I'd go for a '39 Lincoln Continental if I could find one. Sad part is +that Edsel Ford designed it, and look at the abortion they named after +him. Ain't no justice. + + +>Okay, I'll admit it looks nice on the T-Bird (as a previous owner +>of 1967 and 1968 Thunderbirds, I'm biased anyway). +";10;True +"From: cm@cavsys.demon.co.uk (Colin Manning) +Subject: Truetype OEM font with line drawing characters etc wanted +Distribution: world +Organization: Cavendish Systems +Reply-To: cm@cavsys.demon.co.uk +X-Newsreader: Simple NEWS 1.90 (ka9q DIS 1.21) +Lines: 13 + + +Title says it all: I'm in need of a Truetype OEM character set font - ie +one that contains the line drawing and other characters in the PC +character set similar to those you get when running a text mode application. + +If anyone could point me at such a thing, I'd be grateful. + +[The only OEM fonts included with Windows are not Truetype.] + +Regards, + +-- +Colin Manning +";6;True +"From: prm@ecn.purdue.edu (Philip R. Moyer) +Subject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption +Organization: Engineering Computer Network +Distribution: na +Lines: 27 + +In article <1993Apr17.032022.14021@clarinet.com>, brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton) writes: +|> +|> Let's assume, for the moment, that the system really is secure unless +|> you get both halves of the encryption key from the two independent +|> escrow houses. Let's say you even trust the escrow houses -- one is +|> the ACLU and the other is the EFF. (And I'm not entirely joking about +|> those two names) +|> +|> In that case the Prince of Wales has nothing to worry about on this +|> system. + +I must respectfully disagree with this assertion, Brad. The government is +notoriously sloppy with physical, communications, and information security. They +can't keep their computers safe, and they're ""trying"". Read ""DEA is +Not Adequately Protecting National Security Information"" [GAO/IMTEC 92-31] for an +excellent example of what I'm talking about. + +Private sector organizations tend to be even more lax in their security measures. +I believe that the escrow organizations will be penetrated by foreign +intelligence services within months, if not weeks, of their selection. Private +organizations that lack the resources of a full-fleged intelligence service will +take longer - perhaps on the order of one to two years. Nonetheless, the +penetrations will take place, without question. + +Philip R. Moyer ECN Software Staff +Engineering Computer Network Voice: 317-494-3648 +prm@ecn.purdue.edu Fax: 317-494-6440 +";16;True +"From: monack@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (david n monack) +Subject: Re: ESPN Tonight +Organization: University of Arizona - Tucson, Arizona +Lines: 17 + +In <1qkj1kINN3g1@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> swartzjh@RoseVC.Rose-Hulman.Edu writes: + +>Has anyone heard what game ESPN is showing tonight. They said they will +>show whatever game means the most playoff-wise. I would assume this would +>be the Blues-Tampa game or the Minnesota-Red Wings game... Anyone heard for +>sure??? + +> Jeff Swartz + +I heard it will be the Minnesota-Detroit game. Don't know the time +though. + +Dave + +-- +David Monack e-mail: monack@gas.uug.arizona.edu +""Love is the delusion that one woman differs from another."" H.L. Mencken +";13;True +"From: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (Vesselin Bontchev) +Subject: Re: Secret algorithm [Re: Clipper Chip and crypto key-escrow] +Keywords: encryption, wiretap, clipper, key-escrow, Mykotronx +Reply-To: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de +Organization: Virus Test Center, University of Hamburg +Lines: 29 + +pat@rwing.UUCP (Pat Myrto) writes: + +> Can you, while my mind is on it, give us one good reason that the +> algorithm should be a secret algorithm, unless this encryption scheme +> either is a joke, or contains features like a 'master key' or other back +> door for UNAUTHORIZED eavesdropping? + +Hmm, here are a couple: + +1) If the algorithm becomes known, it will be easy to produce +pin-compatible non-crippled chips that provide -real- encryption and +privacy, because their keys are only in their users' hands. + +2) Since SkipJack is a symmetric key cypher, it needs some way to +agree on a session key. The released information says that any +protocol may be used (e.g., DH). From a theoretical point of view, +this is probably true. However, from a practical point of view, those +chips must have some kind of key exchange protocol built-in. What if +it is good old RSA? This will mean that the producer will have to pay +lots of bucks to PKP. By keeping the details secret this can be +avoided... + +Regards, +Vesselin +-- +Vesselin Vladimirov Bontchev Virus Test Center, University of Hamburg +Tel.:+49-40-54715-224, Fax: +49-40-54715-226 Fachbereich Informatik - AGN +< PGP 2.2 public key available on request. > Vogt-Koelln-Strasse 30, rm. 107 C +e-mail: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de D-2000 Hamburg 54, Germany +";16;True +"From: chrism@col.hp.com (Chris Magnuson) +Subject: FORSALE: RADIUS Precision Color 24x Video Card +Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division +Lines: 22 +NNTP-Posting-Host: hpcsrc13.col.hp.com + + I have a Radius Precision Color 24x video card for the Mac that fits in a +NuBus slot. The card has 3 Mb of VRAM on it, which means that 24-bit color +is possible on the card! The card supports just about any monitor scan +rate you can think of (I used it at 640x480, 800x600 and 1024x768, but it +can go higher). You can switch resolutions and depth on the fly with a +software control panel. + + This is the ACCELERATED version of the card, which means all QuickDraw +calls are not executed by the CPU but taken over by the video card, freeing +up the mac processor for other tasks. + + The cheapest I could find this card for when I called around last night +was $1738 at Mac's Place. I will sell it for $1250 + shipping. It is just +over a year old and never been any problem. It comes with software and the +original manuals. + + Hurry! + +Chris Magnuson +chrism@col.hp.com +Hewlett-Packard Company +(719) 590-2963 +";0;True +"From: n8846069@henson.cc.wwu.edu (BarryB) +Subject: Re: Plymouth Sundance/Dodge Shadow experiences? +Article-I.D.: henson.1993Apr18.083715.21366 +Distribution: usa +Organization: Western Washington University +Lines: 25 + +daubendr@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Darren R Daubenspeck) writes: + +>> they are pretty much junk, stay away from them. they will be replaced next +>> year with all new models. + +>Junk?They've made the C&D lists for years due to their excellent handling and +>acceleration.They have been around since about, oh, 85 or 86, so they're not +>the newest on the lot, and mileage is about five to eight MPG under the class +>leader. You can get into a 3.0 L v-6 (141 hp) Shadow for $10~11K (the I-4 +>turbo a bit more), and a droptop for $14~15K. + +How can car be any good that has + + S N A C + U D N E + +written on the back with crooked letters as if a 2-year-old had +written it? Hehhehehehahaha! + +(About as silly as Crysler's attemps to make the label on the back +of some of their other cars appear like they are Mercedes.) + +Sorry, I couldn't resist... + +-BarryB +";10;True +"Subject: Re: Need longer filenames +From: maystonr@grace.cri.nz (Richard Mayston) +Distribution: world +Organization: Industrial Research Ltd., New Zealand. +NNTP-Posting-Host: rmayston.grace.cri.nz +Lines: 10 + + + +In article <765461d518325t9@infoserv.com> hfeldman@infoserv.com (Howard MITCHell Feldman) writes: +>In <1993Apr19.211044.28763@guinness.idbsu.edu>, lhighley@gozer.idbsu.edu (Larry Paul Highley) wrote: +>> +>> +>> Is there a utility out there that will let me use filenames longer than +>> the standard 8.3 format. +> +Yep, it's called OS2! +";6;True +"From: healta@saturn.wwc.edu (Tammy R Healy) +Subject: Re: who are we to judge, Bobby? +Lines: 38 +Organization: Walla Walla College +Lines: 38 + +In article <1993Apr14.213356.22176@ultb.isc.rit.edu> snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu (S.N. Mozumder ) writes: +>From: snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu (S.N. Mozumder ) +>Subject: Re: who are we to judge, Bobby? +>Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1993 21:33:56 GMT +>In article healta@saturn.wwc.edu (TAMMY R HEALY) writes: +>>Bobby, +>> +>>I would like to take the liberty to quote from a Christian writer named +>>Ellen G. White. I hope that what she said will help you to edit your +>>remarks in this group in the future. +>> +>>""Do not set yourself as a standard. Do not make your opinions, your views +>>of duty, your interpretations of scripture, a criterion for others and in +>>your heart condemn them if they do not come up to your ideal."" +>> Thoughts Fromthe Mount of Blessing p. 124 +>> +>>I hope quoting this doesn't make the atheists gag, but I think Ellen White +>>put it better than I could. +>> +>>Tammy +> +>Point? +> +>Peace, +> +>Bobby Mozumder +> +My point is that you set up your views as the only way to believe. Saying +that all eveil in this world is caused by atheism is ridiculous and +counterproductive to dialogue in this newsgroups. I see in your posts a +spirit of condemnation of the atheists in this newsgroup bacause they don' +t believe exactly as you do. If you're here to try to convert the atheists +here, you're failing miserably. Who wants to be in position of constantly +defending themselves agaist insulting attacks, like you seem to like to do?! +I'm sorry you're so blind that you didn't get the messgae in the quote, +everyone else has seemed to. + +Tammy +";9;True +"From: pastor@vfl.paramax.com (Jon Pastor) +Subject: Re: Another happy Gateway owner +Nntp-Posting-Host: athansor +Organization: not much... +Lines: 30 + +In article <1993Apr9.125215.5613@infonode.ingr.com>, kbputt@infonode.ingr.com (Ken Putt) writes: + +|> Don't they always? Of course, they're so much more expensive than +|> most other quality competitors, + +Like who, f'rinstance? When I bought my system (November), no first, second, +or third tier vendor could touch the price for the hardware/software +combination I got from GW2000. + +|> Another good thing I have read in the midst of all the Gateway horror +|> stories: + +If you were selling as many systems as fast as GW2000, you'd end up with four +or five pissed-off customers too. And four or five ecstatic ones. And lots +of satisfied ones... + +|> they have an excellent return policy! + +Don't minimize this; if you buy mail order, it's a good thing to know that +you'll get replacements parts, no questions asked, in a day or two, via FedEx. + +|> They're very impressive systems (when they work) + +Which they do in the vast majority of cases. Remember that it's only the +people on the tails of the curve who are motivated to write -- the ones who +love it, and the ones who hate it. You don't hear from the folks in the +middle very often... + +They have rough edges, no doubt about it; but they give good value per dollar, +and use almost all top-quality components. +";5;True +"From: patrick@Erc.MsState.Edu (Patrick Bridges) +Subject: Re: Diamond Stelth 24- any good? +In-Reply-To: hintmatt@cwis.isu.edu's message of 23 Apr 1993 07:24:32 -0600 +Nntp-Posting-Host: andy.erc.msstate.edu +Organization: /merlin-home2/patrick/.organization +Lines: 7 + +The real problem w/ the Stealth from what I've heard is that Diamond won't +tell anyone how to program their proprietary clock stuff, so X under Linux +and 386BSD won't run.... + + + Patrick Bridges + patrick@erc.msstate.edu +";1;True +"From: victor@inqmind.bison.mb.ca (Victor Laking) +Subject: Re: making copy of a Video tape +Keywords: video +Organization: The Inquiring Mind BBS 1 204 488-1607 +Lines: 35 + +hooperw@spot.Colorado.EDU (Wayne Hooper) writes: + +> victor@inqmind.bison.mb.ca (Victor Laking) writes: +> +> >You are experiencing what is called Macrovision. It is the protection +> >that they use on the video tapes. There are two ways around this that I +> >know of. First of all, you can try using a different VCR to copy onto. +> >It is the input of the VCR that reacts to the protection so sometimes +> >just switching the two VCRs around will take care of it. Some models +> >just don't react to it. +> +> Does this also affect the viewing of tapes ? I have had problems with +> a couple of rented tapes; they were virtually unviewable. I fiddled +> with the tuning, tracking and vertical hold but it was no good. +> + + +It sounds like your TV is one of the ones that also reacts to the video +protection. (Poor you!) + +The Macroscrubber from Radio Electronics removes the protection so you +souldn't have any more problems. However, if you use the method of +copying it from one VCR to another where the second VCR doesn't react to +the protection, you will end up with a duplicate tape, including the +protection. + +One thought comes to mind about your problem... When playing the tape +for viewing, are you feeding the signal from the source VCR through an +extra device before going to the TV? If you feed it through a second VCR +first, that is your problem. As to other devices such as converters, I +don't know if they would react or not. Just to be safe, you might want +to make sure that you have NOTHING between the VCR and TV. + +victor@inqmind.bison.mb.ca +The Inquiring Mind BBS, Winnipeg, Manitoba 204 488-1607 +";11;True +"From: jar2e@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Virginia's Gentleman) +Subject: Re: Israeli Terrorism +Organization: University of Virginia +Lines: 12 + +Would it be asking too much for you to DOCUMENT these allegations of +""Israel used to arrest and kill neutral reporters""? I think you confuse +Israel with other nations of that geographical region to which the notion +of a free, unmonitored by the government, press corps would be a joke. + +As for the notion that Israel threatens the human rights of Palestinians by +sealing off the Gaza strip, get real. When the Palestinian-on-Palestinian +civil war stops and all Palestinians can behave like mature human beings, +Israel will talk concessions on both sides for peace. Not before. + + + +";15;True +"From: umeister@hardy.u.washington.edu (Starfleet Command) +Subject: 256 Color Drivers +Article-I.D.: shelley.1r2p1pINNp6 +Reply-To: umeister@u.washington.edu +Distribution: pnw +Organization: University of Washington, Seattle +Lines: 5 +NNTP-Posting-Host: hardy.u.washington.edu + +I would appreciate the driver name from CICA which functions as a 256 +color driver for a Quadtel video card. The type of chip or chipset used +would suffice as well. + + umeister@u.washington.edu +";5;True +"From: lmebold@sgcl1.unisg.ch +Subject: Re: ISA to EISA +Distribution: comp +Organization: University of St.Gallen, Switzerland +Lines: 30 + +In article <9APR199312315727@envmsa.eas.asu.edu>, firman@envmsa.eas.asu.edu (B B S) writes: +> In article , casey@grace.wharton.upenn.edu (Shawn Casey) writes... +>>Hello, +>> +>>I have a question for anyone that may be familiar with ISA and EISA sytem +>>configurations. +>> +>>1) After I switch the ISA boards into the EISA board (all of the cards are +>>ISA) the system seems to work with no problem what so ever. But some of the +>>interupt problems that we had with the ISA board continue with the EISA board. +>>Is it my understanding that the EISA board should be able to handle IRQ +>>conficts when running windows. +>> +>> Problem: When running our network via telnet (tcp/ip) with windows +>> running the system kicks us out of windows (IRQ confict within windows +>> I assume). +>> +>>Also, are there any memory address problems that will happen when the +>>boards are switched (base memory that is). +> +> As far as I know, if you are using EISA mother board, you have to use also +> EISA cards or else your computer system will be slower than when you're +> using ISA board with ISA cards. +> -Bill + + +That's nonsense!! You can use ISA cards in an EISA-system without problem +and at the same speed as in an ISA system!! + +-Luke +";5;True +"Organization: The American University - University Computing Center +From: Paul H. Pimentel +Subject: Re: Israel's Expansion II + <1993Apr20.013037.20907@news.columbia.edu> +Lines: 5 + +What gives Isreal the right to keep Jeruseleum? It is the home of the muslim a +s well as jewish religion, among others. Heck, nobody ever mentions what Yitza +k Shamir did forty or fifty years ago which is terrorize westerners much in the + way Abdul Nidal does today. Seems Isrealis are nowhere above Arabs, so theref +ore they have a right to Jerusaleum as much as Isreal does. +";15;True +"From: ebth@rhi.hi.is (Eggert Thorlacius) +Subject: Monitors and Video cards for SE/30 +Lines: 24 +Nntp-Posting-Host: hengill.rhi.hi.is + + +Hello all. + I am thinking about buying an external monitor for my SE/30 and was +wondering if anyone out in netland has any advice for me. + I am mostly thinking about a 14"" color monitor and an 8 bit card that +can switch between 640*480 and something higher (like 800*600). I read an +old report on a card from Lapis that could do this, but could not use the +external monitor as the main screen (with menubar) which to me is a major draw- +back. Has this perhaps been fixed? Or can any other cards do this (like the +Micron Xceed) ? + Also which monitor should I buy? At the moment I am leaning towards +the Sony 1304, 1304s or 1320 (what exactly is the difference between these?) +but are there any other good cheap monitors I should know about? Doesn't the +monitor have to be multisync to support cards that can switch resolutions? + +Please send me e-mail and I'll summarize. + +I would also greatly appreciate getting the e-mail addresses of any mail order +companys that sell monitors or cards. + +Thanks in advance + +Eggert Thorlacius +University of Iceland +";0;True +"From: bruce@liv.ac.uk (Bruce Stephens) +Subject: Re: Question from an agnostic +Organization: Centre for Mathematical Software Research, Univ. Liverpool +Lines: 16 + +>>>>> On 2 May 93 13:53:23 GMT, damon@math.okstate.edu (HASTINGS DAMON TOD) said: + +> A Christian friend of mine once reasoned that if we were never created, then +> we could not exist. Therefore we were created, and therefore there exists a +> Creator. + +> Is this statement considered to be a valid proof by many Christians (and +> followers of other religions, I suppose)? [rest deleted] + +Some variant is quite popular. This, and other arguments, are +discussed in John Leslie Mackie's ""The Miracle of Theism: arguments +for and against the existence of God"". Although Mackie ultimately +sides with ""against"", his arguments are, I think, quite fair to both +sides. Brief discussions can be found in the alt.atheism FAQs. +-- +Bruce CMSR, University of Liverpool +";17;True +"From: donb@netcom.com (Don Baldwin) +Subject: Re: 2ND AMENDMENT DEAD - GOOD ! +Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) +Lines: 14 + +In article <1qrn3aINN4rq@clem.handheld.com> jmd@cube.handheld.com +(Jim De Arras) writes: +>> The 2nd amendment is dead. Accept this. Find another way. +> +>It ain't dead, yet. And even if it were repealed, remember, it just protects +>our RKBA, it does not grant any rights. There would then have to be +>additional laws passed to outlaw gun possession. + +Even if they outlawed private posession of firearms, there would be no moral +force behind that law; I imagine compliance would be low. + + don + + +";3;True +"From: mulvey@blurt.oswego.edu (Allen Mulvey, SUNY, Oswego, NY) +Subject: Re: Can't set COM4 +Distribution: usa +Organization: SUNY College at Oswego, Oswego, NY +Lines: 28 + +In article , k4bnc@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (john.a.siegel) writes: +> I have been unable to get COM 4 to work - diagnostic programs such as msd show +> nothing installed. I think the software options are OK - is there a known +> hardware conflict and/or workaround for this problemand CD ROM +> System is a G2K 486DX2/66 tower with ATI video card +> Ports are set as follows +> On board COMa = COM1 IRQ4 to external device +> Internal modem = COM 3 IRQ5 +> DFIO port card primary port = COM 2 IRQ3 mouse +> On board COM B = COM 4 IRQ 9 <--- DOES NOT WORK +> I have run this from a boot disk with only command.com to eliminate softwar +> +> Any suggestions before I call technical support? +> John Siegel +> k4bnc@cbnewsh.att.com +> jas@hrollie.hr.att.com + +I had this problem some time ago. Some BIOSes do not automatically install +COM3 or COM4 in the port tables. Programs like most modem programs which +write directly to the port work fine but anything that uses a BIOS call +fails. Find a BBS or FTP site where you can get a copy of PORT FINDER. Put +""device=pf.sys"" in your config.sys or run pf.com from your autoexec.bat. +This little program will locate all existing ports and make sure the BIOS +tables are updated. It works great. PF will also let you swap ports and +such also if that is of any value to you. + + Allen Mulvey + mulvey@blurt.oswego.edu +";5;True +"From: frode@zevs.ifi.unit.no (Frode Kvam) +Subject: FTP-site for .WAV-files +Organization: Institutt for informatikk, Universitetet i Tr.heim, AVH +X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4 +Lines: 27 + +Hello everybody... + +Are there any ftp-sites with wav-files available??? +Frode Kvam :-) + + +-- +_______________________________________________________________________________ + _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ + _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ + _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ + _/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ + _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ + _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ + _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ (C) +_______________________________________________________________________________ + Name: Frode Kvam + Univ: University of Trondheim, dept of informatics + E-mail: frode@ifi.unit.no + Snail-mail: Lademoens Kirkealle 8 + 7042 TRONDHEIM + Voice: + 47 7 50 45 06 +_______________________________________________________________________________ + + *** Beware of Programmers who carry screwdrivers. *** +_______________________________________________________________________________ + +";6;True +"Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, academic Computer Center +From: +Subject: Re: White Sox Update + <1993Apr11.213102.4954@midway.uchicago.edu> +Lines: 9 + +i think lamont is tryin sax out in left because he is messing with his +mind. he is trying to stir loose the mental block that he has had. +sax was supposed to play in left last night (4-14) but we were rained +out. it's not like we need to add any more outfielders to our team. + +it's mental + +jimmy +go sox, cubs suck! (that's the white sox, dontcha know?) +";14;True +"From: csundh30@ursa.calvin.edu (Charles Sundheim) +Subject: Re: story +Keywords: PARTY!!!! +Nntp-Posting-Host: ursa +Organization: Calvin College +Lines: 12 + +lynn@pacesetter.com (Lynn E. Hall) writes: + +>allowed (yes, there is a God). No open containers on the street was the +>signs in the bars. Yeah, RIGHT! The 20 or so cops on hand for the couple of +>thousand of bikers in a 1 block main street were not citing anyone. The +>street was filled with empty cans at least 2 feet deep in the gutter. The +>crowd was raisin' hell - tittie shows everywhere. Can you say PARTY? + + +And still we wonder why they stereotype us... + +-Erc. +";7;True +"From: michael@jester.GUN.de (Michael Gerhards) +Distribution: world +Subject: Re: What's the diff.between mouse.sys/com?? +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] +Organization: private COHERENT system +Lines: 20 + +x90sanson@gw.wmich.edu wrote: +> What's the difference between loading mouse.com in autoexec.bat and +> doing device=mouse.sys in config.sys?? + +The only difference is the time the driver gets loaded. mouse.sys will be +loaded during the config.sys and therefor before the command.com. mouse.com +will be loaded during autoexec.bat and so after the command.com. + +> which one is better? + +mouse.com could be started from the commandline after the booting and it +could - perhaps - be unloaded, if no other driver is loaded after it. +The working of both drivers is totally the same. + +When I ran dos, I preferred loading most of the drivers in autoexec.bat, +because some programs won't run with some drivers and I could choose the +ones I needed during startup. But with DRDOS6, this advantage is gone, +because DRDOS lets you choose in config.sys which drivers should be loaded. + +Michael +-- +* michael@jester.gun.de * Michael Gerhards * Preussenstrasse 59 * + * Germany 4040 Neuss * Voice: 49 2131 82238 * +";5;True +"From: steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks) +Subject: Re: Price Controls for Medical Care (WAS Re: We're from the govt...) +Summary: ""Loss leader"" argument does not wash +Organization: Not Aging, Just Improving, Inc. +Lines: 76 +Nntp-Posting-Host: thor.isc-br.com + +In article slagle@lmsc.lockheed.com writes: +>In article <1993Apr2.185755.17803@isc-br.isc-br.com>, steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks) writes: +> +>> Thanks to Kim for following up. I was hoping that someone would bring up +>> the issue of cost compensation. The problem with the argument is that it +>> fails to explain why kidney dialysis (RD) services have expanded massively in +>> the last decade. After all, no one is forcing private providers to offer +>> this service. If they are losing money on the treatment (which according +>> to information I've collected from several providers they are not) why +>> would they not simply limit their losses by cutting back on services +>> (engage in effective rationing of supply) rather than expand the coverage +>> to a larger market that must then be compensated by raising prices in +>> other areas? +> +>Perhaps there is a competitive advantage in there after all. Would +>not reputable and dedicated physicians prefer to affiliate with an +>institution that offers dialysis services? Would they not therefore +>tend to admit patients in greater numbers to an institution that +>offered a full range of diagnostic and treatment options? + +Undoubtedly. In fact, it is the fact that hospitals frequently compete +for physicians rather than for patients that (in part) complicates and +undermines a simplistic free-market analysis of the market for medical care. + +>Hospitals tend to lose money on all sorts of high-tech, high-price +>machinery. They manage to make it up on other charges. + +Once again, there is no evidence that this is true in regard to kidney +dialysis. Although price controls have promoted an expansion of services +to a much greater volume of patients, RD is still a profitable service. +Otherwise, one would expect to see evidence of rationing rather than the +vast expansion that has occurred. + +> +>> Remember, the notion that you can lose a little on each treatment but +>> make it up in volume is not good economics even in a free market. :) +> +>Then how do you explain why grocery stores routinely offer an +>array of products at prices below cost? Are not grocery stores +>embedded in a relatively free market? + +Can you spell ""loss leader?"" I knew you could. Grocery stores do not +attempt to make up the loss on an individual product by selling more of +it. In fact, your argument above is that kidney dialysis is a loss leader +for other medical treatments where lost revenue can be regained. + +But the evidence does not support this contention. Rather, it appears that +price controls have disciplined the market by forcing an expansion of +service and development of improved lower-cost technology to provide +comparable benefits. Providers continue to profit from RD, they simply +make less on each treatment than they would have if the price had +risen at the rate that uncontrolled treatments have. + +There is no question that had price controls forced the price of RD +substantially below its actual cost that some or all of the doomsday +predictions of free-market advocates would have been seen -- restriction +of service, lagging technological development, etc. Likewise, it appears +that in the VA and armed forces medical care systems, where providers +are government agencies, some of these negative impacts may occur. +(RD patients in the VA system in Spokane, for example, must travel to +Seattle, 300 miles away, for treatment.) + +The bottom line, however, is that this is an example of government +intervention (of a rather extreme sort) that appears to have had beneficial +results for both providers and consumers. Claims that ""government +bureaucracy"" inevitably leads to undesirable outcomes in the marketplace +should take such such cases into account. + +jsh + +> +>=Mark +-- +Steve Hendricks | DOMAIN: steveh@thor.ISC-BR.COM +""One thing about data, it sure does cut| UUCP: ...!uunet!isc-br!thor!steveh + the bulls**t."" - R. Hofferbert | Ma Bell: 509 838-8826 +";18;True +"From: celeste%express@freedom.msfc.nasa.gov (Celeste) +Subject: Re: male/female mystery [ Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time ] +Nntp-Posting-Host: 128.158.16.248 +Organization: AEGIS +Lines: 56 + +In article <1pima2INN180@gap.caltech.edu>, wen-king@cs.caltech.edu +(Wen-King Su) wrote: +> +> In article <1993Apr1.191826.28921@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com> sharen@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Sharen A. Rund) writes: +> +> >features, but forgets that besides families with children, a woman +> >& checking out if anyone's near me when I get to my car - never park +> >not fumbling in my purse looking for them .... +> +> This has me thinking. Is there a biological reason why women can't put +> their keys in their pants pockets like men do? I have two pockets on the +> back of each of my pants. I put my keys in one and wallent in another. +> Many of the pockets even have a botton on them so I can close them securely. +> Everything is that much simpler for me. Why can't women do the same? +> Is is biological (ie, not enough room for a bigger bottom plus keys and +> a wallet) or is it the way they are raised by the parents? + +Women's pants rarely have pockets and most, when they do, are too +shallow to use! + +I is very important for a woman to have her keys in her hand when +she goes from building to a car. It is protect herself from +would be assilants by broadcasting that this is someone who +as a definite place of safty (ie a locked car!). + +Puting keys and walet looks ugly! It breaks the lines and makes +you rear look wide as a cows! + + Also, to have the habits that +work for any clothing situation, the pruse functions no mater +what you are wearing! (even nude or a bikni) + +A women's suit coat is lucky to have 2 pockets (2 on the outside, +none on the inside). I have men's coats that have as much as 6 +pockets! This is definitally not fair!!! + +As one that wears both men's and women's clothes, I can tell you, +women's clothes have few if any funtional pockets! + +When dressed as a man, I put my wallet on my inside coat pocket and +my keys in a coat outside pocket. It is much more covenent +than the pants pockets and looks better. + +Having a car that unlocks quickly and locks back fast is +paramout to a woman's safty. Men don't see this as a problem. +A woman is aware of this every time she goes out! (i.e. +Image some red necks yelling at you ""We are going to FUCK YOU!"" +and the out weight you by 20 lbs and have 3 inches in hight +on you!) + +If you want to find out why a women does something, LIVE AS ONE! + +Celeste +";10;True +"From: lhenso@unf6.cis.unf.edu (Larry Henson) +Subject: IBM link to Imagewriter -- HELP!! +Organization: University of North Florida, Jacksonville +Lines: 10 + + Hello, I am trying to hook an Apple Imagewriter to my IBM Clone. +I seem to have a problem configuring my lpt port to accept this. How can +you adjust baud, parity, etc. to fit the system? I tried MODE, but it did +not work. If anyone can help, post of e-mail. Thanx. + +-- + ""Abort, Retry, FORMAT?!?!? + Doctor, give me the chainsaw... + Trust me! I'm a scientist!"" + Larry Henson +";5;True +"From: dcoleman@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu (Daniel M. Coleman) +Subject: Re: Do the 2MB ATI Ultra Pro 16 and 24 bit Windows Drivers Work? +Lines: 47 +Nntp-Posting-Host: ecru.cc.utexas.edu +Organization: The University of Texas at Austin +Lines: 47 + +In article <87402@ut-emx.uucp>, reza@magellan.ae.utexas.edu (Alireza Vali) writes: +> Hi there. We just bought a 486 DX2/66 Gateway system with a 2 meg ATI +> Ultra Pro video card. Everything seems to work fine except for the +> Windows Drivers for 800x600 24 bit, and 800x600 and 1024x768 16 bit +> modes. The fonts and icons start deteriorating after windows startup, +> and within minutes of use, everything on the screen is totally +> unintelligible. Naturally, I called Gateway tech support to inquire +> about this. The technician asked me about the drivers, and I told him it +> was version 1.5, build 59. He told me that the 16 and 24 bit drivers for +> the ATI Ultra Pro simply do not work!!! Is this true? If so, I'm simply +> amazed. How could this be? The strange thing is I would have expected +> to see some discussion on here (unless the subject has made the FAQ!!!). +> +> One very suspicious point that came up later was that he stated that none +> of the Windows Accelerator boards have working 16 and/or 24 bit drivers +> for Windows 3.1. I easily challenged him on that because I've been +> running a Diamond 24x in 15 bit mode at home for 4 months now, and I have +> tested and used the 24 bit mode as well. He then backed off and said: +> ""Well, Diamond has been working on those drivers much longer."" Anyway, I +> just wanted to see if anyone else had any trouble and what they did about +> it. Any feedback will be appreciated. +> +> The system configuration is: +> +> Gateway 486 DX2/66 Local Bus +> 16 Megs Ram +> SCSI HD & CD-ROM +> Ultrastor 34F Local Bus SCSI controller +> ATI Ultra Pro Local Bus with 2MB VRAM +> DOS 6.0 +> Windows 3.1 +> Mach 32 drivers version 1.5 (build 59) + +I have been able to successfully use both 16 and 24 bit color modes on my +Gateway system, although my setup is less complicated than yours. It sounds as +if you may have a hardware conflict or problem. Is your memory aperture above +16M? I have heard rumors of incompatibilities with that SCSI card with a +variety of systems. Call up Gateway and give them hell until they help you +fix it. + +Dan + +-- +Daniel Matthew Coleman | Internet: dcoleman@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu +-----------------------------------+---------- : dcoleman@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu +The University of Texas at Austin | DECnet: UTXVMS::DCOLEMAN +Electrical/Computer Engineering | BITNET: DCOLEMAN@UTXVMS [.BITNET] +";5;True +"From: kepley@photon.phys.unca.edu (Brad Kepley) +Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. +Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville +Distribution: na +Lines: 13 + +In article <1993Apr20.161838.13213@coop.com> felixg@coop.com (Felix Gallo) writes: +>pat@rwing.UUCP (Pat Myrto) writes: +> +>>If the Clinton Clipper is so very good, [...] +> +>Please note that Bill Clinton probably has little if anything to do +>with the design, implementation or reasoning behind this chip or behind + +Can't we move the political bickering to a more appropriate group? +-- +Brad Kepley Internet kepley@photon.phys.unca.edu +Work-days Voice (704)252-8330 +-- +";16;True +"From: ggw@wolves.Durham.NC.US (Gregory G. Woodbury) +Subject: Q900 FP Errors? (was: Quadra 900/950 differences +Reply-To: ggw@wolves.durham.nc.us +Organization: Wolves Den UNIX +Lines: 16 +X-Md4-Signature: 682f2f434b0ed4717bc807af66e9b5a4 + +rdk2@cec2.wustl.edu (Robert David Klapper) writes: +> +> I also believe that the 950 fixed a bug in the CPU which screwed up +>some floating point calculations. + + Does anyone have details on this? What sort of FP errors is +the Q900 sensitive to? + + (My Q900 is having some strange problems with an FP intensive +program, getting a lot of DS15 (Segment Loader) errors. ThinkC5.0.4 and +System 7.0.1+) +-- +Gregory G. Woodbury @ The Wolves Den UNIX, Durham NC +UUCP: ...dukcds!wolves!ggw ...duke!wolves!ggw [use the maps!] +Domain: ggw@wolves.Durham.NC.US ggw%wolves@duke.cs.duke.edu +[This site is *not* affiliated with Duke University. (Idiots!) ] +";0;True +"From: rfweber@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Robert F. Weber) +Subject: Re: More Cool BMP files?? +Article-I.D.: bcstec.C5wL0r.6MB +Distribution: usa +Organization: Boeing Computer Services +Lines: 30 + +james@dlss2 (James Cummings) writes: + +>In article <1993Apr17.023017.17301@gmuvax2.gmu.edu> rwang@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (John Wang) writes: +> |Hi, everybody: +> | I guess my subject has said it all. It is getting boring +> |looking at those same old bmp files that came with Windows. So, +> |I am wondering if there is any body has some beautiful bmp file +> |I can share. Or maybe somebody can tell me some ftp site for +> |some bmp files, like some scenery files, some animals files, +> |etc.... I used to have some, unfortunately i delete them all. +> | +> |Anyway could me give me some help, please??? +> | + +> In response to a ""different"" kinda wallpaper, here's what I +>use. I think the original gif/whatever was called ""not_real"". The +>artist name and logo is in the lower right corner. You will need VGA +>I think, and I have this sized for 800x600 256 color screens. Use +>this in your Windows directory and do not tile it. Hope you enjoy. + + +>BEGIN ----------------------- CUT HERE --------------- +>begin 666 ntreal.bmp +>M0DTV5P< #8$ H ( , %@"" ! @ +>M $ ! @@P![( @ ""!A> #!_F #CD ,56# #D. !=>_D +>M4PA: &4H@P""L,1 $U); &N+L0 ($!@ +4WA !,J.0 B/%H 9TJ3 $KKZP 0 +>M,;, TD4I /ZGB0!)#UH (0A. ""6E@ I !@ 4B!I "" ! !BBZX #!E1 )BV + +Deleted a lot of stuff!!!!!!! +How do you convert this to a bit map??? +";6;True +"From: abou@dam.cee.clarkson.edu (Abou Bakr,Damon 317,268-6611,265-8419) +Subject: Re: Forsale and Wanted (HD/Fax/Typewriter) +Article-I.D.: news.1993Apr6.013847.16309 +Organization: Clarkson University +Lines: 29 +Nntp-Posting-Host: dam.cee.clarkson.edu + +From article <1pf5qe$b3b@seven-up.East.Sun.COM>, by jorge@erex.East.Sun.COM (Jorge Lach - Sun BOS Hardware): +> +> I'm looking to *buy* the following items: +> +> Fax machine: a plain one, don't need any extras, just the basic model. Good +> working order only. These sell in stores for dirt cheap, so don't +> make me any offers like ""it cost me $599 but I'll sell it for $400"" +> +> PC-AT Hard Drive: MFM type, 40 Mbytes, half-height only. I have a Seagate +> ST-151 (3.5"") on my machine, looking for same or similar type +> +> +> I have the following item for *sale*: +> +> Electronic Typewriter: Panasonic, with 22K memory, small LCD display. I'm +> selling it bundled with a Panasonic computer interface for this +> typewriter. You can connect it to any PC parallel port (sorry, no +> cable). It works perfect, even in Windows (TTY printer). It's +> great if you need to send letter with ""typewriter look"". In +> stand-alone mode it has 3 pitches, and several ""effects"" like +> underline, bold, overstrike. Built-in dictionary and character/word/ +> line correction. Asking $150 for both the typewriter and the +> interface +> +> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- +> Jorge Lach Sun Microsystems Computer Corporation +> Jorge.Lach@East.Sun.Com East Coast Division, Chelmsford, MA +> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- +> +";8;True +"From: mangoe@cs.umd.edu (Charley Wingate) +Subject: Re: Was Jesus Black? +Lines: 45 + +This subject seems to be incredibly inflammatory. Those who subscribe to +_Biblical Archaeology Review_ will remember a spectacular letter battle set off when someone +complained about a Franklin Mint ad. (_BAR_ is a great magazine, but the +contrast between the rather scholarly articles and the incredibly sleazy ads +is extreme.) In this ad, they were hawking a doll with a head based on the +famous bust of Nefertiti, giving the face a typical doll-pink complexion. +The letter complained about this as a misrepresentation on the grounds that +Nefertiti was ""a beautiful black queen."" This set off an exchange of +hotheaded letters than ran for several issues, to the point where they had +an article from an Egyptologist titled ""Was Cleopatra Black?"" (The answer +to the title is ""no""-- she was greek.) + +I have to say that I hear a hysterical note in much of the complaining. I +personally have seen only one blond-haired Jesus (in the National Shrine in +Wash. DC), and I found it very jarring. Western representations vary +enourmously, but in general the image of is of a youngish male with dark +hair and beard, of a sort that can be found (modulo the nose) all up and +down the Mediterranean. + +(Also, if what I remember is correct, the ""Black Madonna"" doesn't represent +a person with negroid features. It is black because of an accident. Joe +Buehler....?) + +In the presence of all those marble statues, one is prone to forget that +greeks are rather likely to have black hair. When one crosses the bosporus, +the situation breaks down completely. Are Turks white? How about Persians, +or various groups in the indian subcontinent? Was Gandhi white? How about +the Arabs? Or picture Nassar and Sadat standing side by side. And then +there are the Ethiopians.... + +Those of a white racist bent are not likely to say that *any* of these +people are ""white"" (i.e., of the racist's ""race""). If I may risk a +potentially inflammatory remark, one undercurrent of this seems to be the +identification of modern jews as members of the oppressor race. Considering +the extreme dicotomy between medieval religion on the one hand and medieval +antisemitism on the other, I don't think that this ""Jesus was white"" thesis +ever played the roles that some hold it did. + +Representations of Jesus as black or korean or whatever are fine. It seems +awfully self-serving to insist that Jesus belongs to one's own racial group. +-- +C. Wingate + ""The peace of God, it is no peace, + + but strife closed in the sod. +mangoe@cs.umd.edu + Yet, brothers, pray for but one thing: +tove!mangoe + the marv'lous peace of God."" +";17;True +"From: David.Anderman@ofa123.fidonet.org +Subject: LRDPA news +X-Sender: newtout 0.08 Feb 23 1993 +Lines: 28 + + Many of you at this point have seen a copy of the +Lunar Resources Data Purchase Act by now. This bill, also known as the Back to +the Moon bill, would authorize the U.S. +government to purchase lunar science data from private +and non-profit vendors, selected on the basis of competitive bidding, with an +aggregate cap on bid awards of $65 million. + If you have a copy of the bill, and can't or don't want to go through +all of the legalese contained in all Federal legislation,don't both - you have +a free resource to evaluate the bill for you. Your local congressional office, +listed in the phone book,is staffed by people who can forward a copy of the +bill to legal experts. Simply ask them to do so, and to consider supporting +the Lunar Resources Data Purchase Act. + If you do get feedback, negative or positive, from your congressional +office, please forward it to: David Anderman +3136 E. Yorba Linda Blvd., Apt G-14, Fullerton, CA 92631, +or via E-Mail to: David.Anderman@ofa123.fidonet.org. + Another resource is your local chapter of the National Space Society. +Members of the chapter will be happy to work with you to evaluate and support +the Back to the Moon bill. For the address and telephone number of the nearest +chapter to you, please send E-mail, or check the latest issue of Ad Astra, in +a library near you. + Finally, if you have requested, and not received, information about +the Back to the Moon bill, please re-send your request. The database for the +bill was recently corrupted, and some information was lost. The authors of the +bill thank you for your patience. + + +--- Maximus 2.01wb +";2;True +"From: PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) +Subject: Re: Gun Control (was Re: We're Mad as Hell at the TV News) +Article-I.D.: martha.1993Apr6.161640.18833 +Organization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education +Lines: 46 + +In article manes@magpie.linknet.com (Steve Manes) writes: +>hambidge@bms.com wrote: +>: In article , manes@magpie.linknet.com (Steve Manes) writes: +> +>: >: Rate := per capita rate. The UK is more dangerous. +>: >: Though you may be less likely to be killed by a handgun, the average +>: >: individual citizen in the UK is twice as likely to be killed +>: >: by whatever means as the average Swiss. Would you feel any better +>: >: about being killed by means other than a handgun? I wouldn't. +>: +>: >What an absurd argument. Switzerland is one-fifth the size of the +>: >UK with one-eigth as many people therefore at any given point on +>: >Swiss soil you are more likely to be crow bait. More importantly, +>: >you are 4x as likely to be killed by the next stranger approaching +>: >you on a Swiss street than in the UK. +> +>: You are betraying your lack of understanding about RATE versus TOTAL +>: NUMBER. Rates are expressed, often, as #/100,000 population. +>: Therefore, if a place had 10 deaths and a population of 100,000, the +>: rate would be 10/100,000. A place that had 50 deaths and a population +>: of 1,000,000 would hav a rate of 5/100,000. The former has a higher +>: rate, the latter a higher total. You are less likely to die in the +>: latter. Simple enuff? +> +>For chrissakes, take out your calculator and work out the numbers. +>Here... I've preformatted them for you to make it easier: +> +> handgun homicides/population +> ---------------------------- +> Switzerland : 24 / 6,350,000 +> UK : 8 / 55,670,000 +> +>.... and then tell me again how Switzerland is safer with a more +>liberal handgun law than the UK is without...by RATE or TOTAL NUMBER. +>Your choice. + + If you want to talk ""less likely to get killed with a handgun"" +you'd have a point. ""Safer"" includes other things than simply handguns, +and you can't conclude ""safer"" by ignoring them. + + Now if somebody's got the total homicide rates... + +------------------------------------------------------------------------ +David Veal Univ. of Tenn. Div. of Cont. Education Info. Services Group +PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu (Mail to VEAL@utkvm1.utk.edu will bounce.) +""Taxes are not levied for the benefit of the taxed."" - Lazarus Long +";3;True +"From: nelson@seahunt.imat.com (Michael Nelson) +Subject: Re: Boom! Dog attack! +Nntp-Posting-Host: seahunt.imat.com +Organization: SeaHunt, San Francisco CA +Lines: 15 + +In article <9426.97.uupcb@compdyn.questor.org> ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau) writes: +> +>Interestingly, the one thing that never happened was that the bike never +>moved off course. + + Unfortunately, I am one of the ""negative-impaired"". The + above sentence says (I believe), that the bike DID move + off course. Of course. + + ;-) Michael +-- ++-------------------------------------------------------------+ +| Michael Nelson 1993 CBR900RR | +| Internet: nelson@seahunt.imat.com Dod #0735 | ++-------------------------------------------------------------+ +";7;True +"From: ee92jks@brunel.ac.uk (Jonathan K Saville) +Subject: Re: freely distributable public key cryptography c++ code: where? +Organization: Brunel University, Uxbridge, UK +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] +Lines: 26 + +D. Wigglesworth (smhanaes@gpu.utcc.utoronto.ca) wrote: + +: Do you know of any freely distributable c++ (or c) code for public +: key cryptography (such as RSA)? + +: I've tried various archie searches to no avail. + +Have you heard of PGP? I assume from your post that you have not. PGP 2.2 +is a freeware RSA encryption program which includes digital signatures and +comprehensive key management facilities. Most sites also keep the source code. +A growing number of people are using this excellent software to encrypt (to +a very high standard) their email and data. Get it before Clinton outlaws it. + +Two of the many sites are: + rsa.com /pub/pgp + soda.berkeley.edu /pub/cypherpunks/pgp + +Hope this helps, + +Jon +-- + ------------------------ ------------------------------------- +| Jon Saville | Who alive can say, 'Thou art no | +| ee92jks@brunel.ac.uk | Poet, may'st not tell thy dreams?' | + ------------------------ ----------- Keats, 1819 ----------- + PGP 2.2 public key available upon request or by finger +";16;True +"From: loss@fs7.ECE.CMU.EDU (Doug Loss) +Subject: Re: Death and Taxes (was Why not give $1 billion to... +Organization: Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon +Lines: 7 + +In my last post I referred to Michael Adams as ""Nick."" Completely my +error; Nick Adams was a film and TV actor from the '50's and early '60's +(remember Johnny Yuma, The Rebel?). He was from my part of the country, +and Michael's email address of ""nmsca[...]"" probably helped confuse things +in my mind. Purely user headspace error on my part. Sorry. + +Doug Loss +";2;True +"From: sommerfeld@apollo.hp.com (Bill Sommerfeld) +Subject: A little political philosophy worth reading. +Lines: 66 +Nntp-Posting-Host: snarfblatt.ch.apollo.hp.com +Organization: Hewlett Packard + +Read this through once or twice. Then replace ""prince"" with +""government"" or ""president"", as appropriate, and read it again. + +[From Chapter XX of _The Prince_, by N. Macchiavelli, as translated by +Daniel Donno.] + + In order to keep their lands secure, some princes have +disarmed their subjects; others have prompted division within the +cities they have subjugated. Some have nurtured animosities against +themselves; others have sought to win the approval of those they +initially distrusted. Some have erected fortresses; others have +destroyed them. Now, although it is impossible to set down definite +judgements on all of these measures without considering the particular +circumstances of the states where they may be employed, I shall +nevertheless discuss them in such broad terms as the subject itself +will allow. + + To begin with, there has never been a case of a new prince +disarming his subjects. Indeed, whenever he found them disarmed, he +proceeded to arm them. For by arming your subjects, you make their +arms your own. Those among them who are suspicious become loyal, +while those who are already loyal remain so, and from subjects they +are transformed into partisans. Though you cannot arm them all, +nonetheless you increase your safety among those you leave unarmed by +extending privileges to those you arm. Your different treatment of +the two categories will make the latter feel obligated to you, while +the former will consider it proper thoat those who assume added duties +and dangers should receive advantages. + + When you disarm your subjects, however, you offend them, by +showing that, either from cowardliness or from lack of faith, you +distrust them; and either conclusion will induce them to hate you. +Moreover, since it is impossible for you to remain unarmed, you would +have to resort to mercenaries, whose limitations have already been +discussed. Even if such troops were good, however, they could never be +good enough to defend you from powerful enemies, and doubtful +subjects. Therefore, as I have said, a new prince in a newly acquired +state has always taken measures to arm his subjects, and history is +full of examples proving that this is so. + + But when a prince takes posession of a new state which he +annexes as an addition to his original domain, then he must disarm all +the subjects of the new state except those who helped him to acquire +it; and these, as time and occasion permit, he must seek to render +soft and weak. He must arrange matters in such a way that the arms of +the entire state will be in the hands of soldiers who are native to +his original domain. + + ... + + And since the subject demands it, I will not fail to remind +any prince who has acquired a new state by the aid of its inhabitants +that he soundly consider what induced them to assist him; if the +reason is not natural affection for him, but rather dissatisfaction +with the former government, he will find it extremely difficult to +keep them friendly, for it will be impossible to please them. If he +will carefully think the matter through in the light of examples drawn +from ancient and modern affairs, he will understand why it is much +easier to win the favor of those who were happy with their former +government, and hence were his enemies, than to keep the favor of +those who, out of dissatisfaction with the former rule, helped him to +replace it. + + + + +";16;True +"From: bu008@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Brandon D. Ray) +Subject: Re: Statement of Sarah Brady Regarding Texas State Carrying Concealed Legislation +Article-I.D.: usenet.1psstg$bbe +Reply-To: bu008@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Brandon D. Ray) +Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) +Lines: 83 +NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu + + +In a previous article, nigel.allen@canrem.com (""nigel allen"") says: + +> +>Here is a press release from Handgun Control Inc. +> +> Statement of Sarah Brady Regarding Texas State Carrying Concealed +>Legislation +> To: State Desk +> Contact: Susan Whitmore of Handgun Control Inc., 202-898-0792 +> +> WASHINGTON, March 25 -- Following is a statement of Sarah +>Brady regarding Texas state carrying concealed legislation: +> +> ""A handful of lawmakers in Austin today have told the public that +>their safety is of less importance than the interests of the National +>Rifle Association. This action comes as local, state and federal law +>enforcement officials continue their stand-off with a religious cult +>that has highlighted the need for tougher gun laws, not weaker ones +>like the carry concealed bill. + + ""A handful of anti-gun zealots are telling the public that their +right to self-defense is of less importance than the interests of +Handgun Control, Inc. This action comes as local, state and federal law +enforcement officials continue their assault on the Branch Davidian +compound--an assault which has already resulted in the death of one +two year old child at the hands of federal agents. This has highlighted +the need for citizens to be able to defend themselves and their children +against the excesses of their own government."" + +> ""Any suggestion by proponents that this bill will help to reduce +>crime is a distortion of the facts, at best. This so-called +>crime-fighting law has resulted in a 16 percent increase in violent +>crime in the state of Florida, and I have never heard law enforcement +>officials bragging that more guns on the streets is the way to reduce +>crime. + + ""Any suggestion by opponents that this bill will increase crime is a +distortion of the facts, at best. The aggressive outreach by officials +in central Florida to train and arm women has led to a dramatic drop in +the level of assault and rape in that area. Of course, this program is +a rare gem, as many law enforcement officials apparently believe that an +unarmed citizenry will be easier to control, and thus favor tighter +restrictions."" + +> ""The vote today is an insult to the law enforcement officials who +>are putting their lives on the line every day to end the standoff in +>Waco. The entire country now knows just how easy it is for an +>individual bent on destruction to amass an arsenal of weapons. Texas +>lawmakers who voted for this concealed handgun bill have shown total +>disregard for those law officials on the front lines, and the +>families of those who have fallen. + + ""The vote today is a tribute to the good sense of the public at large +who are putting their lives on the line every day as they go about their +lawful affairs. The entire country knows how vulnerable the average +citizen is, both to attacks from criminals and from armed assault by our +own police. Texas lawmakers who voted for this concealed handgun bill have +shown total understanding for those innocent, law-abiding citizens on the +front lines, and the families of those who have fallen."" + +> ""I urge the House of Representatives to listen to the 70 percent +>of Texans that oppose this measure, and reject this ill-conceived +>legislation."" + + ""I urge the House of Representatives to pay attention to the needs +of their constituents, and not be stampeded by ill-conceived arguments +from ideological fanatics."" + +> -30- +>-- +> Nigel Allen, Toronto, Ontario nigel.allen@canrem.com +>-- +>Canada Remote Systems - Toronto, Ontario +>416-629-7000/629-7044 +> +Ain't propaganda fun? + +-- +****************************************************************************** +The opinions expressed by the author are insightful, intelligent and very +carefully thought out. It is therefore unlikely that they are shared by the +University of Iowa or Case Western Reserve University. +";3;True +"From: dscy@eng.cam.ac.uk (D.S.C. Yap) +Subject: Re: This year's biggest and worst (opinion)... +Keywords: NHL, awards +Organization: cam.eng +Lines: 12 +Nntp-Posting-Host: club.eng.cam.ac.uk + +smale@healthy.uwaterloo.ca (Bryan Smale) writes: + +> Team Biggest Biggest +>Team: MVP: Surprise: Disappointment: +>----------------------------------------------------------------------- +>Washington Capitals Hatcher Bondra/Cote Elynuik +>Winnipeg Jets Selanne Selanne Druce + + ^^^^^^^^ + weren't these two + traded for each + other? Poetic justice. +";13;True +"From: robert.desonia@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us (Robert Desonia) +Subject: 486DX-50 vs. 486DX2-50 ? +Distribution: world +Organization: HAL 9000 BBS, W-NET HQ, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA +Reply-To: robert.desonia@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us (Robert Desonia) +Lines: 30 + + +AY> In many recent advertisements I have seen both ""486DX-50"" and ""486DX +AY>based systems. Does the first really exists and does it imply that all +AY>circuitry on the motherboard with it works at that speed, as opposite +AY>latter, where only the internals of the CPU are working at 50MHz? +AY> +AY> Many thanx in advance! +AY> +AY>Andrew. + +Andrew, yes there is a DX and DX2 version of the 50MHz 486. If you are +considering buying one or the other, definitely go for the DX with a nice +size external cache! The performance is far greater. + +The DX2 only has the internal 8k cache to work with at 50MHz, while the DX +has a potentially much larger cache to work at 50MHz with. Neither +systems could actually run a program out of main memory, since DRAM is +still too slow for that high of bus speed ( 60ns = 16.66MHz < 50MHz ). + +-rdd + +--- + . WinQwk 2.0b#0 . Unregistered Evaluation Copy + * KMail 2.95d W-NET HQ, hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us, +1 313 663 4173 or 3959 + +---- +| HAL 9000 BBS: QWK-to-Usenet gateway | Four 14400 v.32bis dial-ins | +| FREE Usenet mail and 200 newsgroups! | PCBoard 14.5aM * uuPCB * Kmail | +| Call +1 313 663 4173 or 663 3959 +--------------------------------+ +| Member of EFF, ASP, ASAD * 1500MB disk * Serving Ann Arbor since 1988 | +";5;True +"From: cmk@athena.mit.edu (Charles M Kozierok) +Subject: Re: Best Homeruns +Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology +Lines: 22 +NNTP-Posting-Host: electric-monk.mit.edu + +In article <1993Apr16.172502.2301@osf.org> dswartz@osf.org (Dan Swartzendruber) writes: +} In article <4200419@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> boell@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Donald P Boell) writes: +} >I'd have to say the most impressive HRs I've ever see came from Dave Kingman +} >and his infamous moon-raker drives... +} +} I remember one he hit circa 1976 at Wrigley Field that went across +} the street (in dead center field) and hit a house on the roof. He +} whiffed a lot, but when he *did* connect, watch out! + +the best home run i have *ever* seen came off, believe it or not, +Roger Clemens (sorry, Val) a couple of years ago. he threw a ball to +Incaviglia which was literally at Inky's neck, and he absolutely +hammered the crap out of it. after the swing, Clemens nonchalantly +motioned for a new ball--he didn't even turn around to look, or +even get upset. the ball hit the lights in the left-field standard, +some 70 or so feet about the Green Monster (over 100 feet above the +ground total!) + +truly an amazing shot. + +-*- +charles +";14;True +"From: dcb@wdl1.wdl.loral.com (David C Blume) +Subject: Cannot move data fast enough!? +Summary: disk -> buffer -> network card +Keywords: NuBus, SCSI, disk, throughput +Organization: Gokuraku Videos +Lines: 43 + +I want to achieve an overall throughput rate of around 5 megabytes / sec +for very large data transfers. (Around 5 MB.) + +I have a Quadra 950. +I have a NuBus network card that can pump data in to mac memory at 8.5 MB/s. + (using block-mode transfers) +I have a high-speed disk array (no asynchronous PB calls) that can + achieve 6.8 MB/s. + +Let's say all transfers go from disk to buffer to network card. + +It is not enough to first transfer all the data from the disk to buffer, +then transfer all the data from the buffer to card. (6.8 MB/s then 8.5 MB/s +result in an overall 3.8 MB/s. Too slow!) + +So I tried the following scheme: For an n-megabyte transfer, + +Step 1: Load the 1st MB from disk to buffer. +Step 2: Asynch send 1st MB out card, Load the 2nd MB from disk to buffer. +Step 3: Asynch send 2nd MB out card, Load the 3rd MB from disk to buffer. + ... +Step n: Asynch send the n-1 MB out card, Load the nth MB from disk to buffer. +Step n+1: Send the nth MB out card. + +Even though the code apparently does execute the card transfer asynchronously, +and the card does not use the Mac cpu at all, (It is using the buffer, tho') +each of the steps 2 through n take as long as if the two transfers were +executed one after another. So there is no improvement in the rate. + +Why? + +Is the mac RAM dual-port? (So the NuBus card and the disk driver can both +access data at the same time.) +Is the problem that the two devices, card and disk driver, both have to use +the same bus to mac RAM? + +Is there anything I can do? + +--David ++---------------------------------------------------------------------+ +| David Blume | ""I get tired thinking of all the things I | +| dcb@wdl1.wdl.loral.com | don't want to do."" --Bukowski, _Barfly_ | ++---------------------------------------------------------------------+ +";0;True +"From: lars@spectrum.CMC.COM (Lars Poulsen) +Subject: Re: Is there ANY security in the Clipper? +Organization: CMC Network Systems (Rockwell DCD), Santa Barbara, CA, USA +Lines: 35 + +In article zeev@ccc.amdahl.com (Ze'ev Wurman) writes: +>It seems to me that all discussions about Clipper security are almost +>irrelevant - if I cannot choose the key, but have to use a key chosen for +>me by the foundry, the security of the WHOLE UNIVERSE OF USERS is as good +>(or as bad) as the security of VLSI Technologies Inc. + +- or their handlers. + +>It is a trivial effort to run any ciphertext agains ALL THE KEYS EVER +>MANUFACTURED - after all we are talking about 1 to 100 million keys that +>will ever be manufactured. The key depositories can be as secure and +>incorruptible as they wish to be, nobody cares anyway...:-( + +They key depositories are IRRELEVANT. In order for the applicable law +enformcement agencies to be able to know what keys to request from +escrow, the system will have to squawk its serial number in clear text +as part of the link establishment protocol. Whoever owns the program +that assigns keys to each serial number won't need access to the key +depository. + +In other words, the FBI may need a court-ordered release of escrowed +keys, but the NSA has the keys before the chip is ever manufactured. +There is no need to go through the escrow or to try all keys. While +relations between law enforment agencies have sometimes been strained, +there is also a long history of trading favors. This will re-establish +the NSA as a very important agency for everyone to get along with, +because they can give you untraceable encryption leaks without court +orders. + +The more I think about this affair, the fouler it smells. I'd rather +have a DES with an engineered-in backdoor ... +-- +/ Lars Poulsen, SMTS Software Engineer Internet E-mail: lars@CMC.COM + CMC Network Products / Rockwell Int'l Telephone: +1-805-968-4262 + Santa Barbara, CA 93117-3083 TeleFAX: +1-805-968-8256 +";16;True +"From: psyrobtw@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Robert Weiss) +Subject: Re: Disillusioned Protestant Finds Christ +Organization: University at Buffalo +Lines: 26 +News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 +Nntp-Posting-Host: ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu + +In article <1qmhp7$33t@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, cj195@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John W. Redelfs) writes... +> +>In a previous article, tom@tredysvr.Tredydev.Unisys.COM (Tom Albrecht) says: +> +>>In article <1qb726$j9d@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu< cj195@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John W. Redelfs) writes: +>>< +>>>>>>>> +>>So Jesus must have lied to the thief on the cross. +> +>Paradise and salvation are not the same thing. Salvation is better. Refer +>to John 14:2. + + I don't see the effort to equate salvation with paradise. + + Rather, I see implied the fact that only those who are saved +may enter paradise. + +============================= +Robert Weiss +psyrobtw@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu +";19;True +"Subject: Re: Drinking and Riding +From: bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca +Organization: BC Systems Corporation +Lines: 11 + +In article , manes@magpie.linknet.com (Steve Manes) writes: +{drinking & riding} +> It depends on how badly you want to live. The FAA says ""eight hours, bottle +> to throttle"" for pilots but recommends twenty-four hours. The FARs specify +> a blood/alcohol level of 0.4 as legally drunk, I think, which is more than +> twice as strict as DWI minimums. + +0.20 is DWI in New York? Here the limit is 0.08 ! +-- +Bruce Clarke B.C. Environment + e-mail: bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca +";7;True +"From: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) +Subject: Re: Dumb options list +Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) +Lines: 21 +Reply-To: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) +NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu + + +In a previous article, parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) says: + +>The idea here is to list pointless options. You know, stuff you +>(can) get on a car that has no earthly use? + +1) a fitting that allows you to generate household current with +the engine running, and plug ins in the trunk, engine compartment +and cabin. + +Feel free to add on... + +Regards, Charles +x +-- +Within the span of the last few weeks I have heard elements of +separate threads which, in that they have been conjoined in time, +struck together to form a new chord within my hollow and echoing +gourd. --Unknown net.person + +:-) +";10;True +"From: MLINDROOS@FINABO.ABO.FI (Marcus Lindroos INF) +Subject: Re: expanding to Europe:Dusseldorf +In-Reply-To: voecking@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE's message of Fri, 16 Apr 1993 07:37:16 GMT +Organization: Abo Akademi University, Finland +X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24 +Lines: 36 + +In <1993Apr16.073716.16514@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE> voecking@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE writes: + +> +> In article <1993Apr15.192231.27574@abo.fi>, MLINDROOS@FINABO.ABO.FI (Marcus Lindroos INF) writes: +> |> In pkortela@snakemail.hut.fi writes: +> |> +> |> > +> |> > DEG has many german-born forwards in the team. In fact the majority of players +> |> > are german-born. 1992-93 DEG had 11150 average in 11800 spectator arena. +> |> +> |> Interesting! One of our German friends here (Robert?) told me their forwards +> |> were all Canadian-Germans. Perhaps somebody can sort this out for us? +> +> As far as I know Dusseldorf has only one Canadian-German forward (i.e. a player +> who was born in Canada but now has a German passport). +> Benoit Doucet became german by marriing a german and he is going to play +> for Germany in the WC. +> +> The other Canada-born forwards are: +> Peter-John Lee (has British passport) +> Chris Valentine +> Dale Dercatch +> Steve Gootas +> Earl Spry (?) +> +> At the moment there are only three German-born forwards coming into my mind: +> Bernd Trunschka, Andreas Brockmann, Ernst Koepf + +Hm, do you think Dusseldorf fans would like it if their team joined the NHL? +Or do we have to include Koln as well (Cologne to you Anglophiles) to make +them happy?:-) + +> Volker + +MARCU$ +> +";13;True +"From: david@terminus.ericsson.se (David Bold) +Subject: Re: Question for those with popular morality +Reply-To: david@terminus.ericsson.se +Distribution: world +Organization: Camtec Electronics (Ericsson), Leicester, England +Lines: 77 +Nntp-Posting-Host: bangkok + +In article 17570@freenet.carleton.ca, ad354@Freenet.carleton.ca (James Owens) writes: +> +>In a previous article, david@terminus.ericsson.se (David Bold) says: +> +>> +>>I don't mean to be rude, but I think that you've got hold of the wrong +>>end of a different stick... +>> +>>David +> +>I had a look at your posting again and I see what you mean! I was so +>intent on explaining how Jung thought we could be more moral than God that +>I overlooked your main line of thought. +> +>You seem to be saying that, God being unknowable, His morality is unknowable. + +Yep, that's pretty much it. I'm not a Jew but I understand that this is the +Jewish way of thinking. However, the Jews believe that the Covenant between +YHWH and the Patriarchs (Abraham and Moses, in this case) establishes a Moral +Code to follow for mankind. Even the Jews could not decide where the boundaries +fall, though. + +As I understand it, the Sadducees believed that the Torah was all that was +required, whereas the Pharisees (the ancestors of modern Judaism) believed that +the Torah was available for interpretation to lead to an understanding of +the required Morality in all its nuances (->Talmud). + +The essence of all of this is that Biblical Morality is an interface between +Man and YHWH (for a Jew or Christian) and does not necessarily indicate +anything about YHWH outside of that relationship (although one can speculate). + +> +>The first thing that comes to mind is that man is supposed to be created +>in His image, so there is an argument that we are committed to whatever +>moral code He follows as part of trying to live up to that image. If we +>are supposed to live by Christ's example, you would be hard pressed to +>argue that God is a ""do what I say, not what I do"" kind of guy. + +The trouble with all of this is that we don't really know what the ""created +in His image"" means. I've heard a number of different opinions on this and +have still not come to any conclusion. This rather upsets the Apple Cart if +one wants to base a Life Script on this shaky foundation (to mix metaphors +unashamedly!) As to living by Christ's example, we know very little about +Jesus as a person. We only have his recorded utterances in a set of narratives +by his followers, and some very small references from comtemporary historians. +Revelation aside, one can only ""know"" Christ second-hand or worse. + +This is not an attempt to debunk Christianity (although it may seem that way +initially), the point I`m trying to make is that we only really have the Bible +to interpret, and that interpretation is by humanity. I guess this is where +Faith or Relevation comes in with all its inherent subjectiveness. + +> +>Metaphysically, if there are multiple moral codes then there is no +>Absolute moral code, and I think this is theologically questionable. + +No. There may be an absolute moral code. There are undoubtably multiple +moral codes. The multiple moral codes may be founded in the absolute moral +code. As an example, a parent may tell a child never to swear, and the child +may assume that the parent never swears simply because the parent has told +the child that it is ""wrong"". Now, the parent may swear like a trooper in +the pub or bar (where there are no children). The ""wrongness"" here is if +the child disobeys the parent. The parent may feel that it is ""inappropriate"" +to swear in front of children but may be quite happy to swear in front of +animals. The analogy does not quite hold water because the child knows that +he is of the same type as the parent (and may be a parent later in life) but +you get the gist of it? Incidentally, the young child considers the directive +as absolute until he gets older (see Piaget) and learns a morality of his own. + +David. + +--- +On religion: + +""Oh, where is the sea?"", the fishes cried, +As they swam its clearness through. + +";19;True +"From: dmmatt@cajun +Subject: Re: Need Windows-logo +Lines: 19 +Organization: Monsanto Company + +In article <1qjqed$1ft@access.digex.net>, holland@access.digex.com (Brian Holland) writes: +> Markus Maier (S_MAIER_M@rzmain.rz.uni-ulm.de) wrote: +> : Hi, +> +> : Well I'm searching for the Ms-Windows logo, u know the picture when u +> : start Windows, in some suitable grafics-format, like gif or jpg,... +> +> C:\windows\system\vgalogo.rle. If my memory serves me correctly, +> *.rle is a compressed *.bmp format. +> + An is readable by WinGif, Paintshop Pro, Paint, and god knows how +many other programs. + +-- +Mike Mattix +Agricultural Group of Monsanto +P.O. Box 174 +Luling, LA 70070 +INTERNET Address: dmmatt@bigez.monsanto.com +";6;True +"From: buddha@iastate.edu (Scott H Vann) +Subject: The bad press Islam has recieved. +Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA +Lines: 16 + + + I recently read an article in a local paper written by an Islamic + person who was upset with the way Islam has been portrayed by western media. + When a terrorist action takes place in the middle east, it is always played + up as an Islamic Terrorist. However, when the a Serbian terrorist attacks + the Croations, its not a Christian terrorist, its just a terrorist. + I have often tried to explain this to some close friends who believe + the press, that Islam is somehow tied to violence. Often times you hear + things like ""They just don't value human life like we do..."" and so on. + I was wondering if anyone out there had any suggestions for how we can + change this image, or how I can help my friends to see that this is just + hype. I would appreciate any serious suggestions or comments via e-mail, + and I'm not interested in hearing about how right the press is. + + -Scott Vann + buddha@iastate.edu +";19;True +"From: David_Anthony_Guevara@cup.portal.com +Subject: Centris 650 Math CoProcessor option +Organization: The Portal System (TM) +Distribution: usa +Lines: 21 + + +Sorry if this is a FAQ. I don't normally read comp.sys.mac.hardware. +I am purchasing a couple of Centris 650's. I configured the systems +as follows: + + Eight (8) Mb RAM + Ethernet + 1 Mb VRAM + Math CoProcessor option + +My purchasing agent told me about the math coprocessor option and sent +me the Apple summary documentation to prove it. I ordered the coprocessor +option, but I'm really not sure that we needed it. I thought the '040 chip +had a math coprocessor built into it. Has Apple had a math coprocessor chip +architectured to keep up with the speed of the '040 chip in the Centris 650? +I am concerned that I may have set up a hardware bottleneck. Please send your +responses to: David_Anthony_Guevara@cup.portal.com. I will summarize if there +is enough interest. Thanks! + +-- David Guevara, + Internet: David_Anthony_Guevara@cup.portal.com +";0;True +"From: df456@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David Tsao) +Subject: 486DX33, 4mRAM, 64kCACHE, 130mHD ->$1,298 +Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) +Lines: 18 +NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu + + +VESA local bus motherboard, +4MB RAM, +64K cache, +1.2 & 1.44 Floppy, +130 MB Hard Drive, +IDE controller (2HD&2FD) +2S/1P/1G +Local Bus 1MB SVGA Video Card, +14"" SVGA Monitor (.28dpi) +Mini Tower, 101-key Keyboard + +David Tsao, +cstsao@sam.cs.olemiss.edu +601-234-0969 +or +Benjamin Chen +714-257-1138 +";8;True +"From: shaig@Think.COM (Shai Guday) +Subject: Re: Fundamentalism - again. +Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA +Lines: 17 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: composer.think.com + +In article , khan0095@nova.gmi.edu (Mohammad Razi Khan) writes: +|> One of my biggest complaints about using the word ""fundamentalist"" +|> is that (at least in the U.S.A.) people speak of muslime +|> fundamentalists ^^^^^^^muslim +|> but nobody defines what a jewish or christan fundamentalist is. +|> I wonder what an equal definition would be.. +|> any takers.. + +Well, I would go as far as saying that Naturei Karta are definitely +Jewish fundamentalists. Other ultra-orthodox Jewish groups might very +well be, though I am hesitant of making such a broad generalization. + +-- +Shai Guday | Stealth bombers, +OS Software Engineer | +Thinking Machines Corp. | the winged ninjas of the skies. +Cambridge, MA | +";15;True +"From: ccdarg@dct.ac.uk (Alan Greig) +Subject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!! +Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology +Lines: 19 + +In article , irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Brent Irvine) writes: + +> Sorry, guy, you got it wrong. ATF was pumping tear gas into the compound. +> The Branch Davidians (going along with their apocolyptic faith) set their +> own compound on fire killing all but 9 or so. No children survived. + +Seeing as how people are willing to quote the FBI quoting cultists +who just yesterday were deranged and not to be trusted (hmm the FBI +or the cultists...) I think I'll quote the BBC quoting (actually voice +interview) one of the two British survivors. He claimed that the fire +started when the tanks caused an internal wooden wall/roof to collapse +knocking over kerosene lamps and that they had no suicide plan. + +Maybe true, partly true, or false. +-- +Alan Greig Janet: A.Greig@uk.ac.dct +Dundee Institute of Technology Internet: A.Greig@dct.ac.uk +Tel: (0382) 308810 (Int +44 382 308810) + ** Never underestimate the power of human stupidity ** +";3;True +"From: erics@netcom.com (Eric Smith) +Subject: Re: Infield Fly Rule +Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) +Lines: 31 + +jrogoff@scott.skidmore.edu (jay rogoff) writes: + +>One last infield fly question that has always puzzled me and hasn't +>yet been addressed. I believe the rule also does *not* deal with this +>situation: + +>If Infield Fly is declared and the ball is caught, runners can tag up +>and advance at their own risk, as on any fly ball. + +>However, if the Infield Fly is *not* caught, at what point can a +>runner legally leave his base w/o fear of being doubled off for +>advancing too early? When the +>ball hits the ground? When a fielder first touches the ball after it +>hits the ground? + +>Enlightenment would be appreciated. + +I'm not sure I understand this question. When the IF rule is invoked, +the batter is automatically out. This relieves the runners from being +forced to advance to the next base if the ball is not caught. Other +than that, isn't it just the same as any situation in which a runner on +a base is not forced to the next base on a dropped fly ball? That is, +if the ball is caught he can tag up and run (or decide to stay), and +if the ball is dropped he can have left the base at any time. + +----- +Eric Smith +erics@netcom.com +erics@infoserv.com +CI$: 70262,3610 + +";14;True +"From: dnew@diana.cair.du.edu (shredder) +Subject: voice messaging +Organization: University of Denver, Denver, Colorado +Lines: 16 + +You macinators who have used these voice messaging/FAX/data-modems. I +have a question. First what brand names do you recommend(I am mostly +interested in the voice messaging and FAX part). Is the voice part as +reliable and understandable as the sellers claim? Approximately, how +much hard drive space does an average day of callers take up, if they +speak for one minute? +Any feed back would be appreciated. My company is looking at buying +one or two. Hey, I may buy one myself too. + +Thanks in advance +Don +-- + Don New Jr(dnew@du.edu) | Another GREAT mind + University of Denver | RUINED + Chemistry Department | by + Denver, CO 80208 | higher education +";0;True +"From: kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Keith Keller) +Subject: Playoff pool +Organization: University of Pennsylvania, School of Arts and Sciences +Lines: 30 +Nntp-Posting-Host: mail.sas.upenn.edu + +Well, I looked at the scoring plan I had, and have decided to modify it. +Here is the new, finalized scoring: + +Pick 1st round winner, way off on games: 2 +"" "" "" "" pick within one game: 3 +"" "" "" "" pick exact games: 4 + +Pick 2nd round winner, way off on games: 4 +"" "" "" "" pick within one game: 5 +"" "" "" "" pick exact games: 7 + +Pick conference champ, way off on games: 7 +"" "" "" pick within one game: 10 +"" "" "" pick exact games: 13 + +Pick Stanley Cup winner, way off on games: 13 +"" "" "" "" pick within one game: 17 +"" "" "" "" pick exact games: 20 +Pick loser in 7, series goes 7: 2 +Pick loser in 7, game 7 decided in OT: 4 + +These are now final. Anyone needing a copy of the entry sheet, email me +at the address below. + +-- + Keith Keller LET'S GO RANGERS!!!!! + LET'S GO QUAKERS!!!!! + kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu IVY LEAGUE CHAMPS!!!! + + ""When I want your opinion, I'll give it to you."" +";13;True +"From: kmitchel@netcom.com (Kenneth C. Mitchell) +Subject: Re: ABOLISH SELECTIVE SERVICE +Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] +Lines: 34 + +Dave Borden (borden@head-cfa.harvard.edu) wrote: +: The Selective Service Registration should be abolished. To start with, the +: draft is immoral. Whether you agree with that or not, we don't have one now, +: and military experts agree that the quality of the armed forces is superior +: with a volunteer army than with draftees. Finally, the government has us +: on many lists in many computers (the IRS, Social Security Admistration and +: Motor Vehicle Registries to name a few) and it can find us if it needs to. +: Maintaining yet another list of people is an utter waste of money and time. +: Let's axe this whole department, and reduce the deficit a little bit. + +Let me say this about that, as a retired Navy officer; + +I agree. Cut it. But let's not stop there. + +Eliminate the C-17 transport. Overwight, overdue, overbudget, it was +supposed to carry tanks. New tanks are now too big for the airplane. + +Scrap the Seawolf SSN-21 nuclear submarine. The breakup of the USSR has +left us with a number of sticky military problems, but NONE of them will +require ""God's gift to submarines"". + +Ground the B-2 stealth bomber. I'm sure it's a great airplane that will do +EVERYTHING its designers said, but at half-a-gigabuck a copy, we can't +afford for even ONE to crash. And airplanes DO crash. + +Elmo Zumwalt said it best 20+ years ago; ""High/Low"". A MIX of a FEW +extremely capable weapons systems and a LOT of CHEAPER, +moderate-capability systems. +-- +-------------------------------------------------------------------------- +Ken Mitchell | The powers not delegated to the United States by the +kmitchel@netcom.com| Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are +Citrus Heights, CA | reserved to the States respectively, or to the People. +-------------------------------------------------------------------------- +";18;True +"Subject: NHL Summary parse results for games played Sat, April 3, 1993 +From: c5ff@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (COOK Charlie) +Organization: University of New Brunswick +Lines: 373 + +Tampa Bay 1 1 0--2 +Philadelphia 3 2 1--6 +First period + 1, Philadelphia, Carkner 3 (unassisted) 1:24. + 2, Philadelphia, Hawgood 9 (Recchi, Lindros) pp, 5:56. + 3, Philadelphia, Lindros 37 (Recchi, Hawgood) pp, 9:52. + 4, Tampa Bay, Beers 12 (Zamuner, Chambers) pp, 15:06. +Second period + 5, Tampa Bay, Andersson 13 (Hamrlik, Lafreniere) pp, 1:58. + 6, Philadelphia, Conroy 3 (Butsayev, Faust) 12:10. + 7, Philadelphia, Beranek 13 (Galley, Hawgood) pp, 18:53. +Third period + 8, Philadelphia, Recchi 51 (Brind'Amour, Galley) pp, 17:56. + +Philadelphia: 6 Power play: 5-4 +Scorer G A Pts +--------------- --- --- --- +Beranek 1 0 1 +Brind'Amour 0 1 1 +Butsayev 0 1 1 +Carkner 1 0 1 +Conroy 1 0 1 +Faust 0 1 1 +Galley 0 2 2 +Hawgood 1 2 3 +Lindros 1 1 2 +Recchi 1 2 3 + +Tampa Bay: 2 Power play: 7-2 +Scorer G A Pts +--------------- --- --- --- +Andersson 1 0 1 +Beers 1 0 1 +Chambers 0 1 1 +Hamrlik 0 1 1 +Lafreniere 0 1 1 +Zamuner 0 1 1 + +----------------------------------------- +Vancouver 1 0 0--1 +Detroit 2 2 1--5 +First period + 1, Detroit, Kozlov 4 (Fedorov, Chiasson) 5:20. + 2, Detroit, Drake 17 (Ciccarelli, Coffey) pp, 7:48. + 3, Vancouver, Ronning 24 (Slegr, Bure) pp, 17:35. +Second period + 4, Detroit, Sheppard 30 (Drake, Hiller) 6:54. + 5, Detroit, Ciccarelli 38 (Chiasson, Drake) pp, 12:13. +Third period + 6, Detroit, Ysebaert 31 (Fedorov, Cheveldae) sh, 4:59. + +Detroit: 5 Power play: 5-2 Special goals: pp: 2 sh: 1 Total: 3 +Scorer G A Pts +--------------- --- --- --- +Cheveldae 0 1 1 +Chiasson 0 2 2 +Ciccarelli 1 1 2 +Coffey 0 1 1 +Drake 1 2 3 +Fedorov 0 2 2 +Hiller 0 1 1 +Kozlov 1 0 1 +Sheppard 1 0 1 +Ysebaert 1 0 1 + +Vancouver: 1 Power play: 6-1 +Scorer G A Pts +--------------- --- --- --- +Bure 0 1 1 +Ronning 1 0 1 +Slegr 0 1 1 + +----------------------------------------- +Buffalo 1 1 0--2 +Boston 1 1 1--3 +First period + 1, Buffalo, Audette 12 (Corkum, Wood) 16:40. + 2, Boston, Juneau 30 (Neely, Oates) 18:39. +Second period + 3, Buffalo, Errey 9 (LaFontaine, Khmylev) 10:51. + 4, Boston, Douris 3 (D.Sweeney, Bourque) 17:57. +Third period + 5, Boston, Donato 12 (unassisted) 17:42. + +Boston: 3 Power play: 4-0 +Scorer G A Pts +--------------- --- --- --- +Bourque 0 1 1 +Donato 1 0 1 +Douris 1 0 1 +Juneau 1 0 1 +Neely 0 1 1 +Oates 0 1 1 +Sweeney D 0 1 1 + +Buffalo: 2 Power play: 5-0 +Scorer G A Pts +--------------- --- --- --- +Audette 1 0 1 +Corkum 0 1 1 +Errey 1 0 1 +Khmylev 0 1 1 +LaFontaine 0 1 1 +Wood 0 1 1 + +----------------------------------------- +Calgary 1 1 0 1--3 +San Jose 0 2 0 0--2 +First period + 1, Calgary, Suter 21 (Reichel, MacInnis) pp, 17:47. +Second period + 2, San Jose, Zmolek 5 (Odgers, Evason) 3:03. + 3, San Jose, Kisio 24 (Garpenlov, Gaudreau) pp, 7:23. + 4, Calgary, Lindberg 9 (MacInnis) pp, 12:43. +Third period + No scoring. +Overtime + 5, Calgary, Fleury 31 (Otto, Yawney) 3:06. + +Calgary: 3 Power play: 8-2 +Scorer G A Pts +--------------- --- --- --- +Fleury 1 0 1 +Lindberg 1 0 1 +MacInnis 0 2 2 +Otto 0 1 1 +Reichel 0 1 1 +Suter 1 0 1 +Yawney 0 1 1 + +San Jose: 2 Power play: 9-1 +Scorer G A Pts +--------------- --- --- --- +Evason 0 1 1 +Garpenlov 0 1 1 +Gaudreau 0 1 1 +Kisio 1 0 1 +Odgers 0 1 1 +Zmolek 1 0 1 + +----------------------------------------- +Pittsburgh 0 3 2--5 +Quebec 2 1 0--3 +First period + 1, Quebec, Kamensky 15 (Huffman) 6:05. + 2, Quebec, Young 27 (Lapointe, Huffman) 16:52. +Second period + 3, Pittsburgh, Mullen 29 (Lemieux, Murphy) 3:54. + 4, Pittsburgh, Lemieux 60 (Tocchet, U.Samuelsson) 5:07. + 5, Pittsburgh, Lemieux 61 (Tocchet, Stevens) 8:12. + 6, Quebec, Young 28 (Sundin, Kovalenko) pp, 14:52. +Third period + 7, Pittsburgh, Tippett 4 (unassisted) sh, 3:52. + 8, Pittsburgh, Tippett 5 (McEachern, Mullen) 8:25. + +Pittsburgh: 5 Power play: 1-0 Special goals: sh: 1 Total: 1 +Scorer G A Pts +--------------- --- --- --- +Lemieux 2 1 3 +McEachern 0 1 1 +Mullen 1 1 2 +Murphy 0 1 1 +Samuelsson U 0 1 1 +Stevens 0 1 1 +Tippett 2 0 2 +Tocchet 0 2 2 + +Quebec: 3 Power play: 4-1 +Scorer G A Pts +--------------- --- --- --- +Huffman 0 2 2 +Kamensky 1 0 1 +Kovalenko 0 1 1 +Lapointe 0 1 1 +Sundin 0 1 1 +Young 2 0 2 + +----------------------------------------- +New Jersey 0 0 0--0 +Toronto 0 0 1--1 +First period + No scoring. +Second period + No scoring. +Third period + 1, Toronto, Gilmour 32 (Andreychuk, Anderson) 16:22. + +Toronto: 1 Power play: 5-0 +Scorer G A Pts +--------------- --- --- --- +Anderson 0 1 1 +Andreychuk 0 1 1 +Gilmour 1 0 1 + +New Jersey: 0 Power play: 3-0 +No scoring + +----------------------------------------- +Ottawa 1 0 2--3 +Hartford 5 1 1--7 +First period + 1, Ottawa, Maciver 17 (Baker, Luongo) 4:22. + 2, Hartford, Kron 11 (Nylander, Gosselin) 5:13. + 3, Hartford, Burt 4 (Cassels, Verbeek) 7:59. + 4, Hartford, Cunneyworth 4 (Yake, Nylander) 9:59. + 5, Hartford, Sanderson 42 (Cassels, Houda) 11:11. + 6, Hartford, Verbeek 35 (Cassels, Zalapski) pp, 15:50. +Second period + 7, Hartford, Sanderson 43 (Cassels, Zalapski) pp, 18:38. +Third period + 8, Hartford, Kron 12 (Poulin, Burt) 4:57. + 9, Ottawa, Turgeon 23 (Lamb) 8:57. + 10, Ottawa, Baker 17 (Luongo, Maciver) pp, 16:17. + +Hartford: 7 Power play: 3-2 +Scorer G A Pts +--------------- --- --- --- +Burt 1 1 2 +Cassels 0 4 4 +Cunneyworth 1 0 1 +Gosselin 0 1 1 +Houda 0 1 1 +Kron 2 0 2 +Nylander 0 2 2 +Poulin 0 1 1 +Sanderson 2 0 2 +Verbeek 1 1 2 +Yake 0 1 1 +Zalapski 0 2 2 + +Ottawa: 3 Power play: 7-1 +Scorer G A Pts +--------------- --- --- --- +Baker 1 1 2 +Lamb 0 1 1 +Luongo 0 2 2 +Maciver 1 1 2 +Turgeon 1 0 1 + +----------------------------------------- +Winnipeg 1 3 2--6 +Edmonton 1 0 3--4 +First period + 1, Winnipeg, Tkachuk 27 (Housley, Zhamnov) pp, 14:38. + 2, Edmonton, Klima 31 (Ciger, Elik) 16:05. +Second period + 3, Winnipeg, King 8 (unassisted) 3:54. + 4, Winnipeg, Zhamnov 21 (Selanne) 10:25. + 5, Winnipeg, Domi 5 (Selanne, Housley) 18:44. +Third period + 6, Edmonton, Manson 15 (unassisted) 10:58. + 7, Winnipeg, Eagles 8 (Numminen, Bautin) pp, 14:13. + 8, Winnipeg, Zhamnov 22 (Ulanov, Selanne) 15:27. + 9, Edmonton, Gelinas 8 (Kravchuk, Ranford) 16:48. + 10, Edmonton, Kravchuk 10 (Buchberger) 18:42. + +Winnipeg: 6 Power play: 5-2 +Scorer G A Pts +--------------- --- --- --- +Bautin 0 1 1 +Domi 1 0 1 +Eagles 1 0 1 +Housley 0 2 2 +King 1 0 1 +Numminen 0 1 1 +Selanne 0 3 3 +Tkachuk 1 0 1 +Ulanov 0 1 1 +Zhamnov 2 1 3 + +Edmonton: 4 Power play: 3-0 +Scorer G A Pts +--------------- --- --- --- +Buchberger 0 1 1 +Ciger 0 1 1 +Elik 0 1 1 +Gelinas 1 0 1 +Klima 1 0 1 +Kravchuk 1 1 2 +Manson 1 0 1 +Ranford 0 1 1 + +----------------------------------------- +Chicago 0 3 0 0--3 +St. Louis 1 2 0 0--3 +First period + 1, St. Louis, Shanahan 46 (Janney, Hull) pp, 4:09. +Second period + 2, Chicago, Murphy 4 (Chelios, Roenick) pp, 0:50. + 3, St. Louis, Shanahan 47 (Hedican, Janney) 1:18. + 4, Chicago, Noonan 16 (Murphy, Chelios) pp, 5:24. + 5, St. Louis, Bozon 6, ps, 12:13. + 6, Chicago, Roenick 43 (Sutter, Murphy) pp, 18:39. +Third period + No scoring. +Overtime + No scoring. + +St. Louis: 3 Power play: 4-1 Special goals: pp: 1 ps: 1 Total: 2 +Scorer G A Pts +--------------- --- --- --- +Bozon 1 0 1 +Chelios 0 1 1 +Hedican 0 1 1 +Hull 0 1 1 +Janney 0 2 2 +Murphy 0 1 1 +Shanahan 2 0 2 + +Chicago: 3 Power play: 3-3 +Scorer G A Pts +--------------- --- --- --- +Chelios 0 2 2 +Murphy 1 2 3 +Noonan 1 0 1 +Roenick 1 1 2 +Sutter 0 1 1 + +----------------------------------------- +Montreal 0 1 2--3 +NY Islanders 0 2 0--2 +First period + No scoring. +Second period + 1, Montreal, Brunet 10 (Carbonneau, Daigneault) 4:39. + 2, NY Islanders, Turgeon 51 (Thomas, Kurvers) pp, 9:14. + 3, NY Islanders, Mullen 16 (unassisted) 15:13. +Third period + 4, Montreal, Bellows 38 (Desjardins, Dipietro) 3:01. + 5, Montreal, Damphousse 38 (Desjardins, Bellows) pp, 10:11. + +Montreal: 3 Power play: 5-1 +Scorer G A Pts +--------------- --- --- --- +Bellows 1 1 2 +Brunet 1 0 1 +Carbonneau 0 1 1 +Daigneault 0 1 1 +Damphousse 1 0 1 +Desjardins 0 2 2 +Dipietro 0 1 1 + +NY Islanders: 2 Power play: 5-1 +Scorer G A Pts +--------------- --- --- --- +Kurvers 0 1 1 +Mullen 1 0 1 +Thomas 0 1 1 +Turgeon 1 0 1 + +----------------------------------------- +Minnesota 2 1 0--3 +Los Angeles 0 0 0--0 +First period + 1, Minnesota, Dahlen 33 (unassisted) 2:34. + 2, Minnesota, Courtnall 33 (Dahlen, Modano) pp, 9:30. +Second period + 3, Minnesota, McPhee 14 (Sjodin, Hatcher) pp, 7:24. +Third period + No scoring. + +Minnesota: 3 Power play: 11-2 +Scorer G A Pts +--------------- --- --- --- +Courtnall 1 0 1 +Dahlen 1 1 2 +Hatcher 0 1 1 +McPhee 1 0 1 +Modano 0 1 1 +Sjodin 0 1 1 + +Los Angeles: 0 Power play: 5-0 +No scoring +";13;True +"From: ksl@engin1.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Kiseok Lee ) +Subject: Re: does dos6 defragment?? +Article-I.D.: cs.1993Apr6.040254.8443 +Organization: Brown University Center for Fluid Mechanics +Lines: 17 + +In article , rhc52134@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Richard) writes: +|> Geoffrey S. Elbo writes: +|> +|> >Yes, and it is the fastest defrag I've ever watched. It did a 170MB +|> >hard disk in 20 minutes. +|> +|> I found the MS defrag looks very much like Norton Speedisk. +|> Is it just a strip-down version of the later? +|> +|> I have both Norton Speedisk and Backup, so I was wondering +|> if I need to install MS Backup? +|> +|> Richard +|> + +Yes, defragger IS come from Norton. +If you have Norton Utility, don't bother. +";6;True +"From: pcaster@mizar.usc.edu (Dodger) +Subject: Re: Dodger Question +Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA +Lines: 31 +Distribution: usa +NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu + +The Dodgers have been shopping Harris to other teams in their +quest for more left-handed pitching. So far, no takers. +Personally, I think Harris is a defensive liability, and he +has also led the team in past years for hitting into double +plays, or at least been among the leaders. + +Sharperson showed last year that if given a chance to play +every day, he can get the job done. If Sharpy played just +one base every day, say third, he'd also improve defensively. + +Wallach has helped tremendously on defense, as has Reed. +The improved defense is quite noticeable and is having an +effect on the pitching staff. Both Astacio AND Martinez +were bailed out in recent starts by great defensive plays. +Martinez pitched into the ninth in a game that might +have seen him lifted in the third in past years. + +Astacio lasted 7 innings the other day under similar circumstances. +The Dodgers are turning double plays, and keeping more balls +in the infield than last year. And Piazza has also been great +on defense. He has thrown out 10 of 14 batters trying to +steal and has at least one pick off at first. + +Wallach, clearly, has contributed to the over all improvement on +defense. But his offense is awful and he has cost the Dodgers +some runs. But I don't think he is as bad as his current average. +I suspect he will come out of this slump much as Davis and Straw +seem to have come out of theirs. + +Dodger + +";14;True +"From: muttiah@thistle.ecn.purdue.edu (Ranjan S Muttiah) +Subject: cults (who keeps them going ?) +Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network +Lines: 9 + + +Mr. Clinton said today that the horrible tragedy of the Waco fiasco +should remind those who join cults of the dangers of doing so. +Now, I began scratching my head thinking (a bad sign :-), ""don't the +mainstream religions (in this case Christianity...or the 7th day +adventist in particular) just keep these guys going ? Isn't Mr. Clinton +condemning his own religion ? After all, isn't it a cult too ?"" + +... bad thoughts these. +";19;True +"From: jeffp@vetmed.wsu.edu (Jeff Parke) +Subject: Re: Lyme vaccine +Organization: College of Veterinary Medicine WSU +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] +Lines: 45 + +kathleen richards (kilty@ucrengr) wrote: +> My nearly-13 year old Pomeranian had a nasty reaction to this vaccination. +> ... Suffice it to say, we will not +> vaccinate her for Lyme disease again. She's been camping through some 6 +> states and has backpacked with us as well and we are used to watching for ticks +> and dealing with them and we simply won't take her to really active Lyme +> disease areas.... + +Not to drag this out anymore, but.... + +Many veterinarians feel that Lyme Disease in dogs is so easy to treat that +in an endemic area, they often just give the appropriate antibiotics to dogs +presenting with lameness, swollen joints, +/- fever. + +A recent paper (March 1993) has finally established that Lyme disease in dogs +can be reproduced in a controlled experimentaly setting. This has been +an ellusive matter for researchers, and is one of the fundamental requirements +for many to acknowledge an agent as being causitive of a particular disease. +Up to now, only the vaccine manufacturer has been able to ""prove"" that +the disease exists. + +This paper is noteworthy in two other regards: + +1) None of the animals they infected were treated in any way. The dogs +had episodes of lameness during a 6-8 week period which occurred 2-5 +months after exposure. After this period, none showed any further +clinical signs up to the 17 month observation period of the study. So +these are proven, clinically sick Lyme patients showing spontaneous +recovery without the benefit of drug treatment. Of course, observations +longer than 17 months will be necessary to be sure the disease doesn't +have the same chronicity that some see in humans. + +2) The addendum to the paper calls into question the techniques used by the +vaccine manufacturer to validate the vaccine. Of course, they want +the world to use the model they developed in order to test vaccine +efficacy. + +Anyway, maybe we will see some independent, scientifically sound evaluations +of this vaccine in the next year or so. + +-- +Jeff Parke +also: jeffp@WSUVM1.bitnet AOL: JeffParke +Washington State University College of Veterinary Medicine class of 1994 +Pullman, WA 99164-7012 +";4;True +"From: husak@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Stephen R. Husak ) +Subject: Re: Another happy Gateway owner +Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana +Lines: 20 + +pastor@vfl.paramax.com (Jon Pastor) writes: + +>Which they do in the vast majority of cases. Remember that it's only the +>people on the tails of the curve who are motivated to write -- the ones who +>love it, and the ones who hate it. You don't hear from the folks in the +>middle very often... + +>They have rough edges, no doubt about it; but they give good value per dollar, +>and use almost all top-quality components. + +I am one of those middle-of-the-road GW2000 owners who is satisfied with +my system. I had my share of problems/corrections/phone conversations/etc. I'm +satisfied on what I got for my money. + +Stephen R. Husak +-- +""What am I trying to do, what am I trying to say, I'm not trying to tell you + anything you didn't know when you woke up today..."" + - Depeche Mode ""Nothing"" MUSIC FOR THE MASSES +-= Stephen R. Husak - husak@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu - Univerisity of Illinois +";5;True +"From: hooper@ccs.QueensU.CA (Andy Hooper) +Subject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption +Organization: Queen's University, Kingston +Distribution: na +Lines: 3 + +Isn't Clipper a trademark of Fairchild Semiconductor? + +Andy Hooper +";16;True +"From: jackw@boi.hp.com (jack wood) +Subject: BBB Autoline Arbitration +Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6] +Keywords: bbb arbitration lemon +Lines: 46 + + +My BBB Autoline arbitration experience is over. +The outcome was decidedly mixed. I won the battle but +lost the war. The arbitrator found that the car was +defective, but decided to offer a repurchase well below +market value :(. At the time of the hearing, average +retail on my truck in the NADA book was $21,025, but +the decision was for $17,665. I wrote a letter to the +Council of Better Business Bureaus pointing out the +fact that if you have an automobile that does not +depreciate rapidly, the manufacturer has no incentive +to deal with you. There is no way that the +manufacturer can loose because they can turn around and +sell the vehicle at a profit if the consumer is awarded +a repurchase. The attitude of Chevrolet's +representative at the hearing tends to support this +point of view; he was totally unprepared and did not +seem to take the proceeding very seriously. + +I decided to take the repurchase, even though I am +getting totally screwed on the price. I will not have +to deal with continuing repairs or selling a lemon +myself, and I have no case for a civil suit based on +the Idaho lemon law. I am planning to send a letter to +my elected representatives telling them how utterly +ridiculous the Idaho lemon law is. The law allows for +a ""use deduction"" equal to the IRS mileage allowance. +As if Chevrolet were buying my gas and paying +for my insurance. + +Summary of the case: In May 1992 I bought a new 3/4 ton +HD Chevrolet pickup. Between May 1992 and December 1992 +this vehicle required repair after repair. Systems +that required attention included the transmission, +heater fan, paint, suspension, and motor. The main +problem was the five speed manual transmission. They +could not install a non-defective transmission in at +least four attempts. + +So, in summary, it is possible to get a repurchase, but +you are going to get screwed on the price, unless you +paid too much in the first place, or if your car +happens to be a model that depreciates rapidly. + +jackw@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com + +";10;True +"From: jaa12@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (John A Absood) +Subject: Re: Freedom In U.S.A. +Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixa.cc.columbia.edu +Reply-To: jaa12@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (John A Absood) +Organization: Columbia University +Lines: 25 + +Dear Mr. Beyer: + +It is never wise to confuse ""freedom of speech"" with ""freedom"" +of racism and violent deragatory."" + +It is unfortunate that many fail to understand this crucial +distinction. + +Indeed, I find the latter in absolute and complete contradiction +to the former. Racial invective tends to create an atmosphere of +intimidation where certain individuals (who belong to the group +under target group) do not feel the ease and liberty to exercise +*their* fundamental ""freedom of speech."" + +This brand of vilification is not sanctioned under ""freedom of +speech. + +Salam, + +John Absood + +""Marlow ceased, and sat apart, indistinct and silent, in the pose of a + meditating Buddha. Nobody moved for a time...The offing was barred by + a black bank of clouds, and the tranquil waterway leading to the utter- + most ends of the earth flowed sombre under an overcast sky - seemed to +";15;True +"From: wagner@mala.bc.ca (TOM WAGNER, Wizzard of old Audio/Visual Equipment........Nanaimo Campus) +Subject: correction re Audio relay followup +Organization: Malaspina College +Lines: 12 + +Gremilins have attacked my keyboard and the correction to my followup on audio +relays got fouled up. +Varying lamp resistance, should read, ""Varying lamp voltage"" +-- +73, Tom +================================================================================ +Tom Wagner, Audio Visual Technician. Malaspina College Nanaimo British Columbia +(604)753-3245, Loc 2230 Fax:755-8742 Callsign:VE7GDA Weapon:.45 Kentucky Rifle +Snail mail to: Site Q4, C2. RR#4, Nanaimo, British Columbia, Canada, V9R 5X9 + +I do not recyle..... I keep everything! (All standard disclaimers apply) +================================================================================ +";11;True +"From: (Eric Youngblood) +Subject: Re: Old Corvettes / Low insurance? +Reply-To: Peon w/o Email (Eric Youngblood) +Nntp-Posting-Host: crchh435 +Organization: BNR, Inc. +Lines: 47 + +In article <1993Apr15.011805.28485@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>, swr2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (SCOTT WARREN ROSANDER) writes: +|> In article , gdhg8823@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (George Hei +|> nz) writes: +|> >After too many years of school I'm finally graduating and getting a real +|> >job. Of course I am trying to make plans of how to spend all this extra +|> >money. Right now I have an 89 accord, a good car, but not real sporty & +|> >I was thinking of selling it in about two years and dropping around +|> >$20k on a sports car of some kind. After thinking about it, I may have a +|> >better idea -- I'll keep the Accord until it drops and buy the car I've +|> >always wanted -- a Corvette Stingray. My reasoning is that $8000 (accord)+ +|> >$8000 (corvette) =$16000 is less than what I would spend anyway. +|> > +|> >Basically, I'm thinking of a late 70's, early 80's for around $7-$10k. +|> >My question is, what are good years to consider (for reliability, looks, +|> >horsepower -- in that order, believe it or not, horsepower is not a main +|> >concern, if I want to go fast, I get on my motorcycle) and what are +|> >good prices? +|> > +|> >Also, what would insurance look like? I'm male, single, 23 (I might +|> >wait until I'm 25 to get the car = lower insurance). Would the fact that +|> >I mainly drive the other car lower it? Is there some type of ""classic +|> >car"" or ""rarely driven"" insurance class for driving it under 10k miles +|> >per year? +|> > +|> My dad has a 66 vette and its on what you say 'classic insurance'. +|> Basically what that means is that it has restricted amount of driving +|> time, which basically means it cant be used as an every day car and would +|> probably suit your needs for limited mileage. +|> -- + + +In addition to restricted mileage, many classic insurance carriers also require +that the vehicle be garaged when not in use. + +$0.02 + +Ericy + + + *---------------------------------+---------------------------* + | Eric Youngblood | + | Bell-Northern Research _ | + | Richardson, Texas 75082 _| ~- | + | \, _} | + | \( +---------------------------| + | | Peon w/o Email privs | + *---------------------------------+---------------------------* +";10;True +"From: bram@byron.u.washington.edu (Bram Currie) +Subject: MOW BODYCOUNT +Article-I.D.: shelley.1qksooINNihu +Organization: University of Washington, Seattle +Lines: 16 +NNTP-Posting-Host: byron.u.washington.edu + + +Any thoughts on who is going to count all of the gorgeous bodies at the MOW? + +The press? The White House Staff? The most Junior Senator? The King of +the motss/bi? + + Just curious as to whose bias we are going to see when the numbers +get brought out. + + + +-- + bram + + ---------------------------------------------------------- +Bram Currie bram@u.washington.edu +";18;True +"From: snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols) +Subject: Re: Too Many Europeans in NHL +Article-I.D.: adobe.1993Apr6.201745.840 +Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated +Lines: 24 + +In article <1993Apr6.195022.6362@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes: +>Major league baseball has told the Blue Jays and the Expos not to +>sign Oscar Linares (I think that is his name) + +Linares has not defected; as I pointed out, MLB requires that the player +defect first. + +>...Canada does not have the restrictions against +>Cubans that the US has and other major league teams have told the +>Canadian teams that they would be very unhappy if the Expos or the +>Blue Jays would do this. + +What a surprise. As long as the pool of talent is not accessible to all +teams, MLB won't let a few teams sign it. Seems perfectly reasonable to +me. + +> Cubans players would not have to defect +>to play in Canada and could play the 81 home games for the Expos +>and Blue Jays without any trouble. + +Except that MLB won't allow it, which is all I ever said. + +Sherri Nichols +snichols@adobe.com +";13;True +"From: mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) +Subject: Re: Pantheism & Environmentalism +Organization: AI Programs, University of Georgia, Athens +Lines: 18 + +In article heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath) writes: +> +> I realize I'm entering this discussion rather late, but I do +>have one question. Wasn't it a Reagan appointee, James Watt, a +>pentacostal christian (I think) who was the secretary of the interior +>who saw no problem with deforestation since we were ""living in the +>last days"" and ours would be the last generation to see the redwoods +>anyway? + +I heard the same thing, but without confirmation that he actually said it. +It was just as alarming to us as to you; the Bible says that nobody knows +when the second coming will take place. + +-- +:- Michael A. Covington, Associate Research Scientist : ***** +:- Artificial Intelligence Programs mcovingt@ai.uga.edu : ********* +:- The University of Georgia phone 706 542-0358 : * * * +:- Athens, Georgia 30602-7415 U.S.A. amateur radio N4TMI : ** *** ** <>< +";17;True +"From: mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas) +Subject: The verdict is in (Rodney King) +Organization: Gordian; Costa Mesa, CA +Lines: 19 + + The federal civil rights trial against the four LA police +officers accused of violating Rodney King's civil rights is +now history: + + Lawrence Powell: guilty + Stacey Coons: guilty + Theodore Brazenio: innocent + Timothy Wind: innocent + + Sentencing slated for mid August, appeals expected. + + So far, all is calm in LA... +-- + + Michael Thomas (mike@gordian.com) + ""I don't think Bambi Eyes will get you that flame thrower..."" + -- Hobbes to Calvin + USnail: 20361 Irvine Ave Santa Ana Heights, Ca, 92707-5637 + PaBell: (714) 850-0205 (714) 850-0533 (fax) +";18;True +"From: ccdarg@dct.ac.uk (Alan Greig) +Subject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!! +Organization: Dundee Institute of Technology +Lines: 32 + +In article <1993Apr21.053035.29591@mcs.kent.edu>, mhamilto@Nimitz.mcs.kent.edu (The Lawnmowerman) writes: +> In article <1r1j1l$4t@transfer.stratus.com>, cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes: +>> In article <1993Apr20.143255.12711@mcs.kent.edu>, mhamilto@Nimitz.mcs.kent.edu (The Lawnmowerman) writes: +>> +>> Oh, then, I guess that shooting THOSE kind of babies is all right. +>> +>> You sick bastard. +>> -- +>> +>> cdt@rocket.sw.stratus.com --If you believe that I speak for my company, +>> OR cdt@vos.stratus.com write today for my special Investors' Packet... +>> +> +> Why thanks for your reply to my post. By the way, I never, never ever said +> that it was right to shoot ""THOSE kind"" of babies. However it was the Branch +> Davidian people in there that insisted on staying there with their ""savior"" +> (yeah right budy boy) because he had brain-washed them into believing that +> what ever he says is the truth, even if means that they are to give up their +> lives for <<<>>> cause. Therefore it is Davids fault and not the ATF's +> who gave them 50 to 51 days to get out, this was 50 days to many for me and + +For goodness sake if they had fired a cruise missile at the compound more +people would have come out alive. It was obvious to anyone with the remotest +contact with reality that such an outcome was likely (not just possible) +however the fire started. As, Mr Lawnmower, you seem to have already entered +your own little virtual reality I guess you can't be expected to understand +things in the real universe. +-- +Alan Greig Janet: A.Greig@uk.ac.dct +Dundee Institute of Technology Internet: A.Greig@dct.ac.uk +Tel: (0382) 308810 (Int +44 382 308810) + ** Never underestimate the power of human stupidity ** +";3;True +"From: rdetweil@boi.hp.com (Richard Detweiler) +Subject: Re: Phills vs Pirates +Organization: Hewlett Packard - Boise Printer Division +Keywords: mlb, 04.16 +Lines: 37 + +In article <1993Apr16.163712.2466@VFL.Paramax.COM> edd@gvlf4-a.gvl.unisys.com (Ed Dougherty) writes: +> +>As a Philly fan as as a Penna. baseball fan, I'm anxious to see the +>Penna. series. Anyone know when it starts and where the first games +>will be played? +> +>This is (I think) always good baseball (to me); and the Pirates are +>also off to a good start. +> +>Ed Doc + +When is it did you say? Well let me shell out here and run this +handy dandy program.... + +$ mlb -m pit phi + +And the answer is: + + Monday, 5/10 Pittsburg at Philadelphia (5:35 pm) + Tuesday, 5/11 Pittsburg at Philadelphia (5:35 pm) + Wednesday, 5/12 Pittsburg at Philadelphia (5:35 pm) + Friday, 6/25 Philadelphia at Pittsburg (5:35 pm) + Saturday, 6/26 Philadelphia at Pittsburg (5:05 pm) + Sunday, 6/27 Philadelphia at Pittsburg (11:35 am) + Friday, 7/30 Pittsburg at Philadelphia (5:35 pm) + Saturday, 7/31 Pittsburg at Philadelphia (5:05 pm) + Sunday, 8/ 1 Pittsburg at Philadelphia (11:35 am) + Monday, 9/27 Philadelphia at Pittsburg (5:35 pm) + Tuesday, 9/28 Philadelphia at Pittsburg (5:35 pm) + Wednesday, 9/29 Philadelphia at Pittsburg (5:35 pm) + Thursday, 9/30 Philadelphia at Pittsburg (5:35 pm) + + +This is a great little program - its available at an ftp site near +you (unfortunatly I don't recall which one). Any schedule question +you got is answered with this little gem. Many thanks to the author +for providing this service. +";14;True +"From: jmichael@vnet.IBM.COM +Subject: Radar Detector DETECTORS? +Article-I.D.: almaden.19930406.131941.134 +Lines: 3 + + +They detect the oscillator operating in the detector. Saw a story about +their use in Canada. Now don't go putting oscillators in your cars... :-) +";11;True +"From: jburnside@ll.mit.edu (jamie w burnside) +Subject: GOT MY BIKE! (was Wanted: Advice on CB900C Purchase) +Keywords: CB900C, purchase, advice +Reply-To: jburnside@ll.mit.edu (jamie w burnside) +Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory +Lines: 31 + +-- + +Thanks to all of you who gave advice on the CB900 Custom. + +As recommended, I had the bike compression tested. Compression was +a little low, but very even across the four cylinders (+/- 5 psi). They +said that it was tested a little cold, so that would explain the low +numbers (around 90). Does this sound right? Otherwise, the bike looked +great. No signs of road rash, and no rust. This bike looks great! +It is now in the shop getting tuned and new tires. +I am opting for the Metzler ME55 and ME33 tires (thanks to those +who posted this other thread). This bike is _BIG_ compared to my other bikes. +( Sure is alot harder to load on a trailer than the KDX200 was. ) I should +be road legal tomorrow. I am ignoring the afforementioned concerns about +the transmission and taking my chances. + +Being a reletively new reader, I am quite impressed with all the usefull +info available on this newsgroup. I would ask how to get my own DoD number, +but I'll probably be too busy riding ;-). + +---------------------------------------------------------------------- +| |\/\/\/| ___________________ | +| | | / \ | +| | | / Jamie W. Burnside \ | +| | (o)(o) ( jburnside@ll.mit.edu ) | +| C _) / \_____________________/ | +| | ,___| / | +| | / | +| / __\ | +| / \ | +---------------------------------------------------------------------- +";7;True +"From: gt0463b@prism.gatech.EDU (Michael Davis Smith) +Subject: REAL ESTATE SALE +Article-I.D.: hydra.91506 +Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology +Lines: 71 + + + + + + + + + RESIDENTIAL LOT FOR SALE + + + + + + I have a nice residential lot available. It is approx- + imately 1/2 acre in size. It is located in the development + called Belvedere Plantation in Pender County, eastern North + Carolina, north of Wilmington. The lot is near the Intra- + Coastal Waterway. Golf and tennis are located on the + development property. Belvedere Plantation also has a mar- + ina facility on the ICW. This lot is nearby to all of the + facilities mentioned. + + + + I own the lot outright but it does not look like I will + get back to the area anytime soon. I would like to sell it + for that reason. Make an offer. + + + + If interested please send E-mail. + gt0463b@prism.gatech.edu. - Mike Smith + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +-- +Michael Davis Smith +Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332 +uucp: ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!gt0463b +Internet: gt0463b@prism.gatech.edu +";8;True +"From: rainer@sun3.eeam.elin.co.at (Rainer Hochreiter) +Subject: X-server multi screen +Organization: ELIN Energeanwendung Ges.m.b.H +Lines: 24 +NNTP-Posting-Host: sun3.eeam.elin.co.at +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] + +Hi Xperts, some simple questions for you: + +I've seen a lot of different terms, which seem to mean the same thing. +Who can give an exact definition what these terms mean: + + -) multi-screen + -) multi-headed + -) multi-display + -) X-Server zaphod mode + +Is there a limit how many screens/displays a single server can handle +(in an articel a read something about an upper limit of 12) ? + +How is the capability called, if I want to move the cursor from one +screen/display to another. + +Any hints welcome. + +Thanks, rainer. +-- +Rainer Hochreiter | Telephone: +43 (1) 89100 / 3961 +ELIN-Energieanwendung GesmbH | Telefax : +43 (1) 89100 / 3387 +Penzingerstr. 76 | +A-1141 Wien, Austria/Europe | E-mail : rainer@elin.co.at +";12;True +"From: cutter@gloster.via.mind.org (cutter) +Subject: Re: A Message for you Mr. President: How do you know what happened? +Distribution: world +Organization: Gordian Knot, Gloster,GA +Lines: 26 + +bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig) writes: + +> b645zaw@utarlg.uta.edu (Stephen Tice) writes: +> > +> >One way or another -- so much for patience. Too bad you couldn't just +> >wait. Was the prospect of God's Message just too much to take? +> +> So you believe that David Koresh really is Jesus Christ? +> + +You know, everybody scoffed at that guy they hung up on a cross too. +He claimed also to be the son of God; and it took almost two thousand +years to forget what he preached. + + Love thy neighbor as thyself. + + +Anybody else wonder if those two guys setting the fires were 'agent +provacateurs.' + + +--------------------------------------------------------------------- +cutter@gloster.via.mind.org (chris) All jobs are easy + to the person who + doesn't have to do them. + Holt's law +";19;True +"From: mhamilto@Nimitz.mcs.kent.edu (The Lawnmowerman) +Subject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!! +Keywords: Nata thing !! +Nntp-Posting-Host: nimitz.mcs.kent.edu +Reply-To: Matthew Hamilton +Organization: Kent State University CS +Lines: 33 + +In article <1r1j1l$4t@transfer.stratus.com>, cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes: +> In article <1993Apr20.143255.12711@mcs.kent.edu>, mhamilto@Nimitz.mcs.kent.edu (The Lawnmowerman) writes: +> +> Oh, then, I guess that shooting THOSE kind of babies is all right. +> +> You sick bastard. +> -- +> +> cdt@rocket.sw.stratus.com --If you believe that I speak for my company, +> OR cdt@vos.stratus.com write today for my special Investors' Packet... +> + +Why thanks for your reply to my post. By the way, I never, never ever said +that it was right to shoot ""THOSE kind"" of babies. However it was the Branch +Davidian people in there that insisted on staying there with their ""savior"" +(yeah right budy boy) because he had brain-washed them into believing that +what ever he says is the truth, even if means that they are to give up their +lives for <<<>>> cause. Therefore it is Davids fault and not the ATF's +who gave them 50 to 51 days to get out, this was 50 days to many for me and +for many of the rest of the U.S. I am however sad to hear of the death of any +child unlike the sick bastard I supposedly am. +-- ++----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +| Matthew R. Hamilton | mhamilto@mcs.kent.edu | A.K.A | +| CS/ Physics Major | 1499h751@ksuvxb.kent.edu | (The Lawnmowerman) | +| Kent State University | 1299h751@ksuvxb.kent.edu | | ++----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +| | +| | +| Look here for future advice.quotes.sayings.jibberish.philosohy | +| | ++----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ + +";3;True +"From: bob1@cos.com (Bob Blackshaw) +Subject: Re: Dumbest Driver Action +Organization: Corporation for Open Systems +Distribution: usa +Lines: 41 + +In mwbg9715@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Mark Wayne Blunier) writes: + +>jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) writes: + +>>I wish I had the figures with me to back me up, but I recall +>>statistics showing that women tended to have more accidents than men +>>but the damage was generally quite minor. Men had fewer but far more +>>expensive accidents. The rate of total vehicle destruction was +>>*significantly* higher for men than women, particularly in the younger +>>male age groups. + +>>IMHO social considerations are probably the strongest influence here, +>>possibly more so than any difference between the sexes. Social +>>influences often affect the type of car that's bought and the +>>situations the car is used in, and the type of car and driving +>>situations have a major effect on accident risk. Thus if society +>>expects you to buy a Mustang and race it on the street you're more +>>likely to do it, and our society expects that of males more than +>>females. + +>I agree with some of your social influences, such as driving conditions, +>but lets get real here. Guys don't drag race becuase there expected too, +>we do it becuase its fun! (and we find out whose car is faster). +>Guys drive different than women becuase there men. When a driver is +>driving 'unusually', I can usually figure out if it is a male or female +>driver without looking at the driver. +>Social influences may give a person more reason to buy a vehicle that +>has a certain amount of character which he or she would like associated +>with. Do you change your driving habits when no one is around? + +Sheesh! I don't know what kind of women they have where you guys live, +but there are some ladies here who will blow your doors off. Or at least +they will try to, but we just can't let the youngsters get too uppity +with us old folks :-). +>>My $.02. +>Mark B. + +>>jim frost +>>jimf@centerline.com + Bob + +";10;True +"From: ebodin@pearl.tufts.edu +Subject: Screen Death: Mac Plus/512 +Lines: 22 +Organization: Tufts University - Medford, MA + +I have a (very old) Mac 512k and a Mac Plus, both of which +have the same problem. + +Their screens blank out, sometimes after a minor physical jolt +(such as inserting a floppy in the internal drive), sometimes +all by themselves (computer left to itself just goes blank). + +I have replaced the wires connecting the logic boards and the +video board, because it seemed at first that jiggling the wires +made the screen come back on. This worked for a while, but the +blanking out has returned. + +Can I do anything? Do I need a new power supply? A new CRT? +A new computer? + +Thanks for any advice... + +-------------------------- +Ethan Bodin +Tufts University +ebodin@pearl.tufts.edu +-------------------------- +";0;True +"From: dfeldman@lookout.mtt.it.uswc.uswest.com (David Feldman) +Subject: Trident 8900 *CL* 1280x1024 driver? +Nntp-Posting-Host: lookout +Organization: U S WEST Information Technologies +Lines: 8 + +Please excuse if FAQ but... +New Trident 8900CL based card claims to have 1280x1024 support. +Drivers with card indicate several 1280x1024 drivers on diskette. +Windows 3.1 does not make all drivers on diskette available to +configuration dialog box. Any suggestion? +Thanx; please e-mail. +dfeldman@uswest.com + +";6;True +"From: dbernard@clesun.Central.Sun.COM (Dave Bernard) +Subject: Re: Who's next? Mormons and Jews? +Organization: Sun Microsystems +Lines: 20 +Distribution: world +Reply-To: dbernard@clesun.Central.Sun.COM +NNTP-Posting-Host: clesun.central.sun.com + +>>The two situations are hardly analogous, unless you wish to make the +>>>dubious claim that the US legal system would provide equivalent treatment +>>>to BD children that the Romans did for those of conquered rebels. + +>Actually, all the analogy calls for the the Branch Davidian _feeling_ +>their treatment would be along these lines. After a military +>assualt (instead of a peacefull effort to serve a warrant) and +>weeks os siege, such a feeling might not be completely irrational. + + +Actually, if I were one of the survivors and wanted to institute a civil +rights violation lawsuit against the Treasury Dept., I would claim that +the BATF/FBI itself was to blame for any mass hysteria/insanity... + +without due process, the siegers shone lights, laser beams, multi-colored +spotlights, all the while playing loudly amplified music consisting of +everything from Tibetan Chant to Heavy Metal, and coupled with the fear, +the poor nutrition, the rampant paranoia, I'd say it was very likely +those poor nuts were made even nuttier. After all, isn't sleep deprivation, +sensory overload, etc., part of the ""new age"" method of torture? +";3;True +"From: gerald.belton@ozonehole.com (Gerald Belton) +Subject: help - how to constru +Distribution: world +Organization: Ozone Online Operations, Inc. - New Orleans, LA +Reply-To: gerald.belton@ozonehole.com (Gerald Belton) +Lines: 27 + +>Dean Anneser (anneser@pwa-b.uucp) wrote: +>: My 9 yr old son has signed up to do a science report on batteries. I was +>: wondering if anyone could provide me with some information as to how to +>: construct a home-built battery. In my grade school days, I remember seei +>: the 'ice cube tray' version, but I don't remember what to use as a good +>: electrolyte or what the easily obtainable metals were. +>: +>: Thank you in advance. + +>I remember watching a whole ""Mr. Wizzard"" program on this subject when +>I was a kid. The battery constructed on the program which made the +>biggest impression on me, and generated the most power, was made using +>a galvanized bucket (for the zinc) and a copper toilet tank float. The +>electrolyte was sauerkraut! + +Take a lemon. Stick a copper strip into the lemon. Stick a galvanized +nail in about 1 to 1-1/2 inches from the copper strip. You should get +about 1/2 volt from it - enough to light an LED. + + + * SLMR 2.1 * Support your medical examiner, die strangely. + +---- +The Ozone Hole BBS * A Private Bulletin Board Service * (504)891-3142 +3 Full Service Nodes * USRobotics 16.8K bps * 10 Gigs * 100,000 Files +SKYDIVE New Orleans! * RIME Network Mail HUB * 500+ Usenet Newsgroups +Please route all questions or inquiries to: postmaster@ozonehole.com +";11;True +"From: steven.kipling@freddy.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Steven Kipling) +Subject: Re: NHL Team Captains +Reply-To: steven.kipling@freddy.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Steven Kipling) +Distribution: world +Organization: Freddy's Place BBS - Edmonton, AB - 403-456-4241 +Lines: 54 + + -=> Quoting Cire Y. Trehguad to All <=- +CYT> : Michael Collingridge writes: + : >And, while we are on the subject, has a captain ever been traded, + : >resigned, or been striped of his title during the season? Any other + : >team captain trivia would be appreciated. + CYT> ; + CYT> : Wasn't Ron Francis captain of the Whalers when he was traded to + CYT> : Pittsburgh? + + CYT> And Rick Tochett was the captain of the Flyers when traded to the Pens + CYT> recently... + + CYT> Caleb + + CYT> And let us not forget that the New Jersey Devils traded + CYT> captain Kirk Muller for Stephen Richer and Chorske + + CYT> Man I hated that trade! + + + Well as for team captains being traded + in there first year in the NHL the + Edmonton Oilers traded their captain + Ron Chiperfield to the Quebec Nordique + right at the trading deadline for + Goaltender Ron Lowe + In their second year of existence + The Edmonton Oilers again right at the trade + deadline traded their captain, this time + B.J. McDonald to the Vancouver Canucks + along with the rights to winger Ken + Berry for Garry Lariviere and the rights + to Lars Gunner Petterson + + as for more captain trivia, the next Edmonton + captain was Lee Fogilin who was later traded to + the Buffalo Sabres, after him was Wayne Gretzky + who was traded to L A, then came Kevin Low who + only this year was traded to the N Y Rangers + so that every captain the Edmonton Oilers have had + has been traded. + + The present captain is Craig McTavish and we'll + just have to wait and see. + + + well talk to you later + + Steve + + +... Answers: $1, Short: $5, Correct: $25, dumb looks are still free. +___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 + +";13;True +"From: sloan@cis.uab.edu (Kenneth Sloan) +Subject: Re: Surface normal orientations +Organization: CIS, University of Alabama at Birmingham +Lines: 42 + +In article <1pscti$aqe@travis.csd.harris.com> srp@travis.csd.harris.com (Stephen Pietrowicz) writes: +>... +>How do you go about orienting all normals in the same direction, given a +>set of points, edges and faces? + +Look for edge inconsistencies. Consider two vertices, p and q, which +are connected by at least one edge. + +If (p,q) is an edge, then (q,p) should *not* appear. + +If *both* (p,q) and (q,p) appear as edges, then the surface ""flips"" when +you travel across that edge. This is bad. + +Assuming (warning...warning...warning) that you have an otherwise +acceptable surface - you can pick an edge, any edge, and traverse the +surface enforcing consistency with that edge. + + 0) pick an edge (p,q), and mark it as ""OK"" + 1) for each face, F, containing this edge (if more than 2, oops) + make sure that all edges in F are consistent (i.e., the Face + should be [(p,q),(q,r),(r,s),(s,t),(t,p)]). Flip those which + are wrong. Mark all of the edges in F as ""OK"", + and add them to a queue (check for duplicates, and especially + inconsistencies - don't let the queue have both (p,q) and (q,p)). + 2) remove an edge from the queue, and go to 1). + +If a *marked* edge is discovered to be inconsistent, then you lose. + +If step 1) finds more than one face sharing a particular edge, then you +lose. + +Otherwise, when done, all of the edges will be consistent. Which means +that all of the surface normals will either point IN or OUT. Deciding +which way is OUT is left as an exercise... + + + +-- +Kenneth Sloan Computer and Information Sciences +sloan@cis.uab.edu University of Alabama at Birmingham +(205) 934-2213 115A Campbell Hall, UAB Station +(205) 934-5473 FAX Birmingham, AL 35294-1170 +";1;True +"From: rich1@netcom.com (Richard Soennichsen) +Subject: Re: electronic odometers (was: Used BMW Question ..... ???) +Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) +Lines: 1 + +The Bmw speedo is triggered by a reed switch\magnet assembly in the differential. I would think that this signal would be easy to reproduce. +";11;True +"From: kyee@bnlux1.bnl.gov (kenton yee) +Subject: proposed catcher re-sub rule +Organization: Brookhaven National Laboratory, Upton, NY 11973 +Lines: 19 + +A lot of teams carry 3 catchers on their 25 man roster, +but the 3rd catcher is seldom ever used. He is only +insurance in case of extra innings or the 2nd catcher +is injured during a game. So to free up this roster +spot for an extra pinch hitter or reliever, why not +invoke a catcher re-substitution rule: + +If the last roster catcher on a team is +injured during a game, the team is permitted +to substitute in his place for defensive purposes +a catcher who has previously been yanked from +the game. + +Given this rule, a team wouldn't need 3 roster +catchers. The 3rd catcher could be playing +in AAA or be a non-roster bullpen catcher. + +Ken + +";14;True +"From: scott@asd.com (Scott Barman) +Subject: Re: Jewish Baseball Players? +Organization: American Software Development Corp., West Babylon, NY +Lines: 18 + +In article <15APR93.14691229.0062@lafibm.lafayette.edu> VB30@lafibm.lafayette.edu (VB30) writes: +>Just wondering. A friend and I were talking the other day, and +>we were (for some reason) trying to come up with names of Jewish +>baseball players, past and present. We weren't able to come up +>with much, except for Sandy Koufax, (somebody) Stankowitz, and +>maybe John Lowenstein. Can anyone come up with any more. I know +>it sounds pretty lame to be racking our brains over this, but +>humor us. Thanks for your help. +> + +Oh... I forgot... Art Shamsky, former Red and Mets player. Batted .301 +between injuries in 1969 (fell short of qualifying for Top 10 because of +injuries and platoon with Ron Swoboda; no Swobo wasn't Jewish). +-- +scott barman | Mets Mailing List (feed the following into your shell): +scott@asd.com | mail mets-request@asd.com <I only caught the tail end of this one on ESPN. Does anyone have a report? +>(Look at all that Teal!!!! BLEAH!!!!!!!!!) + +Maybe it's just me, but the combination of those *young* faces peeking out +from under oversized aqua helmets screams ""Little League"" in every fibre of +my being... + +-- + David M. Tate | (i do not know what it is about you that closes + posing as: | and opens; only something in me understands + e e (can | the pocket of your glove is deeper than Pete Rose's) + dy) cummings | nobody, not even Tim Raines, has such soft hands +";14;True +"From: kiran@village.com (Kiran Wagle) +Subject: Re: Barbecued foods and health risk +Organization: the Syllabub Sea +Lines: 55 +NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu + +Mark McWiggins reminds us: + +MM> Also, don't forget that it's better for your health +MM> to enjoy your steak than to resent your sprouts ... + +YES! + +I call this notion ""psychological health food"" and, in fact, have +determined that the Four Food Groups are Ice Cream, Pizza, Barbecue, and +Chocolate. Ideally, every meal should contain something from at least two +of these four groups. Food DOES serve functions other than nutrition, and +one of them is keeping the organism happy and thus aiding its immune +system. + +And I didn't spend a million bucks commissioning a study that told me to +redraw my silly little pyramid in different colors and with a friendlier +typeface, either. (Ref: Consumer Reports' back page--one of the best +things ever to turn up there.) + +Rich Young writes of one of six impossible things: +RY> to consume unrealistically large quantities of barbecued meat at a time."" + +Donald Mackie confesses: +DM> I have to confess that this is one of my few unfulfilled ambitions. +DM> No matter how much I eat, it still seems realistic. + +Yeah, I want to try one of those 42oz steaks (cooked over applewood) at +Wally's Wolf Lodge Inn in Coeur d'Alene. That seems quite +unrealistic--unrealistically SMALL. And a few slabs of ribs from the East +Texas Smoker (RIP, again) in Louisville is not at all unrealistic either. + +What say we have a rec.food.cooking dinner at the Moonlite Bar-B-Que Inn in +Owensboro? (It's all you can eat including lamb ribs & mutton for about +$10.) We could invite Julie Kangas as guest of honor and see if the +Moonlite's Very Hot Sauce is too hot for her. (It IS too hot for me, and I +don't say that very often.) And she could bring ice cream with crushed +dried chiltepins for dessert. + +And we could see if there IS such a thing as an ""unrealistically large +quantity"" of barbecue--the owner of the Moonlite estimates that the +Owensboro restaurants serve a hundred thousand pounds of meat a week in the +summer, and forty thousand in the winter--in a town of 50 000 or so. Two +pounds per person per week? Again, sure sounds unrealistic to me--thats +just too meager to be healthy. + +~ Kiran (Now a two-pound slab of ribs a day, THAT's realistic.) + +-- +FUZZY PINK NIVEN'S LAW: Never Waste Calories. Potato chips, candy, +whipped cream, or hot fudge sundae consumption may involve you, your +dietician, your wardrobe, and other factors. But Fuzzy Pink's Law implies: +Don't eat soggy potato chips, or cheap candy, or fake whipped cream, or an +inferior hot fudge sundae. + Larry Niven, NIVEN'S LAWS, N-SPACE + +";4;True +"From: alan@saturn.cs.swin.OZ.AU (Alan Christiansen) +Subject: Re: Sphere from 4 points? +Organization: Swinburne University of Technology +Lines: 71 +NNTP-Posting-Host: saturn.cs.swin.oz.au + +spworley@netcom.com (Steve Worley) writes: + +>bolson@carson.u.washington.edu (Edward Bolson) writes: + +>>Boy, this will be embarassing if it is trivial or an FAQ: + +>>Given 4 points (non coplanar), how does one find the sphere, that is, +>>center and radius, exactly fitting those points? I know how to do it +>>for a circle (from 3 points), but do not immediately see a +>>straightforward way to do it in 3-D. I have checked some +>>geometry books, Graphics Gems, and Farin, but am still at a loss? +>>Please have mercy on me and provide the solution? + +>It's not a bad question: I don't have any refs that list this algorithm +>either. But thinking about it a bit, it shouldn't be too hard. + +>1) Take three of the points and find the plane they define as well as +>the circle that they lie on (you say you have this algorithm already) + +>2) Find the center of this circle. The line passing through this center +>perpendicular to the plane of the three points passes through the center of +>the sphere. + +>3) Repeat with the unused point and two of the original points. This +>gives you two different lines that both pass through the sphere's +>origin. Their interection is the center of the sphere. + +>4) the radius is easy to compute, it's just the distance from the center to +>any of the original points. + +>I'll leave the math to you, but this is a workable algorithm. :-) + +Good I had a bad feeling about this problem because of a special case +with no solution that worried me. + +Four coplanar points in the shape of a square have no unique sphere +that they are on the surface of. +Similarly 4 colinear point have no finite sized sphere that they are on the +surface of. + +These algorithms being geometrical designed rather than algebraically design +meet these problems neatly. + +When determining which plane the 3 points are on if they are colinear +the algorithm should afil or return infinite R. +When intersecting the two lines there are 2 possibilities +they are the same line (the 4 points were on a planar circle) +they are different lines but parallel. There is a sphere of in radius. + +This last case can be achieved with 3 colinier points and any 4th point +by taking the 4th point and pairs of the first 3 parallel lines will be produced + +it can also be achieved by + +If all 4 points are coplanar but are not on one circle. + +It seems to me that the algorithm only fails when the 4 points are coplanar. +The algorithm always fails when the points are coplanar. +(4 points being colinear => coplanar) + +Testing if the 4th point is coplanar when the plane of the first 3 points +has been found is trivial. + + +>An alternate method would be to take pairs of points: the plane formed +>by the perpendicular bisector of each line segment pair also contains the +>center of the sphere. Three pairs will form three planes, intersecting +>at a point. This might be easier to implement. + +>-Steve +>spworley@netcom.com +";1;True +"From: tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) +Subject: Re: was:Go Hezbollah! +Nntp-Posting-Host: orion.oac.uci.edu +Organization: University of California, Irvine +Lines: 25 + +In article bh437292@lance.colostate.edu writes: +>In article <2BCE0918.6105@news.service.uci.edu>, tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) writes: +>|> In article bh437292@lance.colostate.edu writes: +> +>[.....] +> +>|> Your view of this entire matter is far too serenely one-sided and +>|> selectively naive. +> +>Oooh... now THAT hurts. I will not suffer you through more naive +>and one-sided views of mine. Please skip my articles in the future +>Oh Wise Tim, and have a good day. +> +>Basil + +What is the point in throwing out one-sided viewpoints (which means: +ignoring that the ""other side's"" perspective and experience HAS ANY +LEGITIMACY) while assuming that ""your side"" possesses no faults and +bears no responbility for ANY of the negative impacts of a particular +event? Isn't the former onesided? Isn't the latter naive? If you feel +that my opinion is wrong then please tell me how. ""Strategic withdrawal"" +under the cover of a snide remark seems to be the favored tactic on this +net but doesn't accomplish anything. + + +";15;True +"From: GMILLS@CHEMICAL.watstar.uwaterloo.ca (Phil Trodwell) +Subject: VB Decompiler? +Lines: 9 +Organization: University of Waterloo + + +Subject says it all. Do any exist? Are they shareware? Where? + + +Phil Trodwell + +*** This space ***| ""I'd be happy to ram a goddam 440-volt cattle +*** for rent. ***| prod into that tub with you right now, but not +*** (cheap) ***| this radio!"" -Hunter S. Thompson +";6;True +"From: cpage@two-step.seas.upenn.edu (Carter C. Page) +Subject: Re: Reason vs. Revelation +Organization: University of Pennsylvania +Lines: 130 + +In article trajan (Stephen McIntyre) writes: +>In article writes: +> +>> I can only reply with what it says in 1 Timothy 3:16 : + +>I'm not here to discount parts of the Bible. Rather, I'm +> here only to discount the notion of ""revelation."" +> The author of 1 Timothy told what he thought was the +> truth, based on his belief in God, his faith in Jesus +> as the resurrected Son, and his readings of the Old +> Testament. But again, what had been revealed to him +> was based on (at best) second-hand information, given +> by friends and authors who may not have given the +> whole truth or who may have exaggerated a bit. + +First of all, the original poster misquoted. The reference is from 2 Tim 3:16. +The author was Paul, and his revelations were anything but ""(at best) +second-hand"". + + ""And is came about that as [Saul] journeyed, he was approaching + Damascus, and suddenly a light from heaven flashed around him; and + he fell to the ground, and heard a voice saying to him, ""Saul, Saul, + why are you persecuting Me?"" And he said, ""Who art Thou, Lord?"" And + He said, ""I am Jesus whom you are persecuting, . . ."" + (Acts 9:3-5, NAS) + +Paul received revelation directly from the risen Jesus! (Pretty cool, eh?) He +became closely involved with the early church, the leaders of which were +followers of Jesus throughout his ministry on earth. + +>Now, you may say, ""The Holy Spirit revealed these things +> unto him,"" and we could go into that argument, but +> you'd be hard-pressed to convince me that the Holy +> Spirit exists. + +I agree. I don't believe anyone but the Spirit would be able to convince you +the Spirit exists. Please don't complain about this being circular. I know +it is, but really, can anything of the natural world explain the supernatural? +(This is why revelation is necessary to the authors of the Bible.) + +> Additionally, what he has written is +> again second-hand info if it were given by the Spirit, +> and still carries the chance it is not true. + +The Spirit is part of God. How much closer to the source can you get? +The Greek in 2 Timothy which is sometimes translated as ""inspired by God"", +literally means ""God-breathed"". In other words, God spoke the actual words +into the scriptures. Many theologians and Bible scholars (Dr. James Boice is +one that I can remember off-hand) get quite annoyed by the dryness and +incompleteness of ""inspired by God"". + +>The only way you would be able to escape this notion of +> ""second-hand"" info is to have had the entire Bible +> written by God himself. And to tell the truth, I've +> studied the Bible extensively, and have yet to +> hear of scholars who have put forth objective evidence +> showing God as the first author of this collection of +> books. + +That's what the verse taken from 2 Timothy was all about. The continuity of a +book written over a span of 1500 years by more than 40 authors from all walks +of life is a testimony to the single authorship of God. + +>> And as for reason, read what it says in 1 Corinthians 1:18-31 about +>> human wisdom. Basically it says that human wisdom is useless when +>> compared with what God has written for our learning. + +>If you knew of Jesus as well as you know the Bible, you'd +> realize he reasoned out the law and the prophets for +> the common man. + +What source to you claim to have discovered which has information of superior +historicity to the Bible? Certainly not Josephus' writings, or the writings +of the Gnostics which were third century, at the earliest. + +> And though some claim Jesus was +> he was human, with all of the human wisdom the +> apostle Paul set out to criticize. Yet, would you not +> embrace the idea that Jesus was wise? + +Jesus was fully God as well. That's why I'd assert that he is wise. + +>> I realise that you may not accept the authority of the Bible. This is +>> unfortunate to say the least, because there is no other way of learning +>> about God and Christ and God's purpose with the earth than reading the +>> Bible and searching out its truth for yourself. +> +>For your information, I was raised without any knowledge of +> God. By the time some of the faithful came to show me +> the Word and share with me its truth, I was living +> happily and morally without acknowledging the existence +> of a supreme being. I have, though, read the Bible +> several times over in its entirety and have studied it +> thoroughly. It contains truth in it, and I consider +> Jesus to be one of the most moral of human beings to +> have lived (in fact, I darn-near idolize the guy.) But +> there's no rational reason for me to except God's +> existence. + +Please rethink this last paragraph. If there is no God, which seems to be your +current belief, then Jesus was either a liar or a complete nut because not +only did he assert that God exists, but he claimed to be God himself! (regards +to C.S. Lewis) How then could you have the least bit of respect for Jesus? + In conclusion, be careful about logically unfounded hypotheses based +on gut feelings about the text and other scholars' unsubstantiated claims. +The Bible pleads that we take it in its entirety or throw the whole book out. + About your reading of the Bible, not only does the Spirit inspire the +writers, but he guides the reader as well. We cannot understand it in the +least without the Spirit's guidance: + + ""For to us God revealed them through the Spirit; for the Spirit + searches all things, even the depths of God."" (1 Cor 2:10, NAS) + +Peace and may God guide us in wisdom. + ++-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-= +Carter C. Page | Of happiness the crown and chiefest part is wisdom, +A Carpenter's Apprentice | and to hold God in awe. This is the law that, +cpage@seas.upenn.edu | seeing the stricken heart of pride brought down, + | we learn when we are old. -Adapted from Sophocles ++-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=+-=-+-=+-=-+=-+-=-+-=-+=-+-= + +[Other theologians get quite annoyed at the misleadingess of +""God-breathed."" It's true that the Greek word has as its roots ""God"" +and ""breath"". However etymology doesn't necessarily tell you what a +word means. Otherwise, ""goodbye"" would be a religious expression +(since it comes from ""God be with ye""). You have to look at how the +word was actually used. In this case the word is used for wisdom or +dreams that come from God. But ""God-breathed"" is an overtranslation. +--clh] +";17;True +"From: degroff@netcom.com (21012d) +Subject: Re: Talking to Boeing management about SSTO type stuff from a shareholder perspective. +Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) +Lines: 9 + + + I might suggest giving the management some more mumble time by asking +the very leading question (in two or three parts) + What are your long term expectations of space market, what projects +specifically are they funding by internal funds and at what levels +and what competition do you expect in this area. (This last point +is always worth hitting upper management with ""gently"" if you want +them to think and as hard as you can if you have a good case that +there really is competion) +";2;True +"From: erics@netcom.com (Eric Smith) +Subject: Re: MARLINS WIN! MARLINS WIN! +Article-I.D.: netcom.ericsC52qCC.6Fu +Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) +Lines: 19 + +genetic+@pitt.edu (David M. Tate) writes: + +>dwarner@journalism.indiana.edu said: + +>>I only caught the tail end of this one on ESPN. Does anyone have a report? +>>(Look at all that Teal!!!! BLEAH!!!!!!!!!) + +>Maybe it's just me, but the combination of those *young* faces peeking out +>from under oversized aqua helmets screams ""Little League"" in every fibre of +>my being... + +Hmm, it seems the Little Leaguers didn't do too badly against Hershiser, +Strawberry, E. Davis, and the rest of the Dodgers yesterday ... :-) + +----- +Eric Smith +erics@netcom.com +erics@infoserv.com +CI$: 70262,3610 +";14;True +"From: ayr1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Amir Y Rosenblatt) +Subject: Power Supplies for Mac 512's +Summary: I need them +Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixa.cc.columbia.edu +Reply-To: ayr1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Amir Y Rosenblatt) +Organization: Columbia University +Lines: 13 + + +I thnik i'll be able to pick up a piar of Mac 512K's for nothing, but +their power supplies are dead. Anyone know where I can pick up a pair +of refurbished PS's for cheap (preferably mail order). +Yes, I do have uses planned fior them. One will be sold to a friend who +just needs a terminal to connect via modem to his e-mail account. +The other will be used by me as a net client to run my downloads and/or +printing. + +Also, what is the latest system software usable with these suckers? + + + +";0;True +"From: hasch@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu (Bruce 'DoppleAckers Anonymous' Hasch) +Subject: Re: DAVE KINGMAN FOR THE HALL OF FAME +Organization: The Johns Hopkins University - HCF +Lines: 132 +Distribution: na +NNTP-Posting-Host: jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu +Summary: Dave Winfield was a marginal ballplayer. Yeah, right. +Keywords: Hall of Fame, Winfield, Kingman, Murray, Joe Lundy, :-) +News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 + +In article <1993Apr15.093231.5148@news.yale.edu>, (Steve Tomassi) writes... +> Hi, baseball fans! So what do you say? Don't you think he deserves it? +>I mean, heck, if Dave Winfield (ho-hum) is seriously being considered for it, +>as is Lee Smith (ha), then why don't we give Dave Kingman a chance? Or Darrell +>Evans! Yeah, yeah! After the Hall of Fame takes in them, it can take in +>Eddie Murray and Jeff Reardon. + + Oh, yeah. Dave Winfield--marginal player. Guy didn't hit a lick, had +negligible power, was a crap fielder and had no staying power. Dave Winfield, +now entering his (I believe) 20th big league season, is still a damn decent +hitter. Admittedly, his defense has slipped a great deal, but in his prime, +he had a powerful arm and great range. Take a look at the stats: I don't +know where you even BEGIN to make an argument that Winfield and Kingman are +similar players. Kingman was a one-dimension power hitter--he couldn't field, +he ran like an anvil, hit for a low average (though, if I remember right, his +OBP wasn't THAT hideous...), and (for those who consider such things important) +was a absolute-primo-dick. + Eddie Murray? Yup, only the best 1st baseman of the 80's. I know that +MVP votes are conducted by mediots, but given that he got jobbed out of the +MVP he deserved in 1983, it seems that he wasn't overrated by the media. + Lee Smith? Hmmmm... This one's actually pretty close. He's had a s +solid, dependable career as a closer despite pitching in some nasty parks +(Wrigley, Fenway...). I'd have to take a closer look at the stats (it's been +a while), but it seems Lee Arthur is of HOF caliber. + You do make a legitimate point about the HOF credentials of relievers, +simply racking up a lot of saves doesn't mean a whole hell of a lot if you +blow a bunch, too. Simply because Minnesota and Boston and (for a month) +Atlanta used Reardon as a closer for longer than he should have been one, +the Equalizer has racked up an impressive number of saves. No way should +HomerMan be in the HOF, IMHO. + Darrell Evans? Nice career, actually a bit underrated (kinda like +Ted Simmons, IMHO), but not a HOF'er. + +> Well, in any case, I am sick and tired (mostly sick) of everybody +>giving Hall of Fame consideration to players that are by today's standards, +>marginal. + + Lemme ask you this. Who the hell playing the game ISN'T marginal? + +>Honestly, Ozzie Smith and Robin Yount don't belong there. They're both +>shortstops that just hung around for a long time. Big deal. +>Let's be a little more selective, huh? Stop handing out these honors so +>liberally. Save them for the guys who really deserve it. Face it, if something + + Now, wait a goddamn minute here. Ozzie Smith absolutely REDEFINED the +position of shortstop. His defense was SO good that he's won something along +the lines of 10 Gold Gloves. Again, Gold Gloves are mediot-biased, and a +good argument could be made that Larkin deserved one or two of Ozzie's more +recent awards, but usually, this is tempered by someone else in the early +80's getting the Gold Gloves Ozzie deserved earlier in his career. Ozzie's +offense, you ask? Good OBP, great speed numbers, in a park which, for most of his +career, depressed offense, admittedly, no power ('cept against Tom Niedenfuer +:-|), but still, a definite asset offensively. + Yount? 3,000 hits, MVP at two different positions, uh-huh, a real +stiff. His '82 was one of the great years EVER by a player in recent memory, +and probably ranks behind only the peak seasons of Wagner and Banks, as far as +SS numbers go. He's a clear HOF'er, IMHO. + +>isn't done, there will be little prestige in the Hall of Fame anymore. When +>certain individuals believe that Steve Garvey or Jack Morris are potential +>candidates, the absurdity is apparent. Gee, can these guys even compare to +>the more likely future Hall of Famers like Kirby Puckett or Nolan Ryan? + + Well, as far as Garvey goes, you're right. Garvey is a ""mediot"" +candidate, pushed because of his ""winning attitude"" (a minor factor, if one +at all), and his ""great defense"" (no errors, admittedly, but the range of +a tree stump...). Garvey shouldn't be in the HOF. + SkyJack? I've said a lot of nasty things about SkyJack in the last +year or so, but this is mostly in response to mediots and woofers who talk +about Morris' ""ability to win"" which is nothing more than Morris' ""ability +to pitch when Toronto to score tons of runs"". At this point, Morris is an +average pitcher (although from his early returns in '93, he may be damned +close to done.). But, in all fairness, Morris was a dominant pitcher in the +80's for up-and-down Tiger teams. While 1984 was (obviously) a great year +for Detroit, the rest of the decade, the team was generally in contention, but +not favorites. Morris' career numbers are quite good, and worthy of HOF +""consideration"". + Ryan? Of course, but be careful. I guarantee you that someone will +throw back your earlier logic about ""Yount and Smith being shortstops who +hung around a long time"". After all, Nolan never won a Cy... Damn, he's +just pitcher who hung around for 99 years... His W-L record is mediocre... +(Of course, Nolan's a HOF'er...) + Puck? Probably, although he's got to play reasonably well for a few +more years (10 years, even good ones, aren't enough to make the HOF, most +likely). That said, I believe Puckett WILL make the HOF, pretty much +regardless of how the rest of his career turns out (barring something REALLY +tragic or sudden). He's very popular in the media and with fans, and +legitimately has been one of the best CF's in the game since he joined the +league. I've always liked the guy, and I hope he does make it. And, in the +end, I think the Puck will make it in. But, really, it's too early to sell. + + This debate comes up rather frequently on the net, and, believe it +or not, I never tire of it. It's an interesting subject. Here's an off +the top of my head list of potential HOF'ers from each team. I probably +left a couple of guys off, so feel free to follow up. I won't consider ANYONE +who started playing after about 1985 (again, too early to tell.) [Note: these +are all active players, I'm not counting recent retirees] + +Baltimore: Cal Ripken (should be a lock by now, even if Gehrig's record stands) +Boston: Roger Clemens (might be a lock already, which is amazing), Dawson (?) +Detroit: Alan Trammell and Lou Whitaker (possibilities) +Milwaukee: Robin Yount (discussed earlier) +New York: Wade Boggs (possibly), Mattingly (long shot) +Toronto: Paul Molitor and Jack Morris (possibilities) + +Kansas City: George Brett (lock) +Minnesota: Kirby (too early to tell), Winfield (lock) +Oakland: Eckersley (lock), McGwire (too early), Rickey (lock), Welch (LONG shot) +Texas: The Mighty Nolan [Too early to consider Canseco or Strange :-)] + +Cubs: Sandberg (lock) +St. Louis: Ozzie (lock), Lee Smith (probably) +New York: Murray (almost a lock), Saberhagen (obviously, he's got to regain + past form) +[And most certainly, NOT Vince Coleman, despite what he'll tell you :-)] + +Los Angeles: Butler, Strawberry, and Hershiser are all long shots. +San Diego: Tony Gwynn (pretty good shot) +Colorado: Dale Murphy (a good shot), Ryan Bowen (just to see if you're awake) + + [Before I get flames: this is an off-the-top-of-the-head list, there's +probably a few deserving candidates that I left off, and, I didn't include +Barry Bonds, Will Clark, Any Atlanta Starting Pitcher, Frank Thomas, Canseco, +McGriff, etc. because I only considered guys who started playing before +1985)] + + E-mail or post, I almost fear what I may have started here... + +------------------------------------------------------------------------------- +Bruce Hasch hasch@jhuvms.hcf.jhu.edu Sell the team, Eli!! +""If a hitter is a good fastball hitter, does that mean I should throw him a + bad fastball?""-- Larry Andersen +";14;True +"From: jonc@joncpc.SanDiego.NCR.COM (Mike Corcoran) +Subject: Re: tire recomendation for CB400T wanted +Keywords: tires recomend CB400T +Organization: NCR E&M San Diego +Distribution: usa +Lines: 20 + +In article <1993Apr14.172716.4301@cbnewsm.cb.att.com>, asalerno@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (antonio.j.salerno..jr) writes: +|> +|> I've got a '81 CB400T with Chen-Shing (sp?) tires on it. +|> I got it with these tires on it! The only reason I need new tires +|> is beacuse I hate (and don't feel safe on) these. +|> +|> I'd appreciate any recomendations I can get (about NEW tires!). +|> +|> Thanks, +|> Tony + +I'll throw in a vote for a Metzler ""economy"" tire, the ME77. Good +for mid-size older bikes. Rated to 130mph. Wearing well and handles +my 12 mile ride(twisties) to work well on the SR500. Costs a bit +more than the Chengs/IRC's etc, but still less than the Sport +Metzlers for the newer bikes. Cost from Chaparral is about $60 for the +front, and $70 for the rear. +-- + Jon M.(Mike) Corcoran + '78 Yamaha SR500 - '72 Honda XL250 - '70 Husky 400 Cross +";7;True +"From: eder@hsvaic.boeing.com (Dani Eder) +Subject: Re: Guns for Space +Keywords: Sopa Gun, Space Launcer +Organization: Boeing AI Center, Huntsville, AL +Lines: 72 + + +Okay, lets get the record straight on the Livermore gas gun. +The project manager is Dr. John Hunter, and he works for the +Laser group at Livermore. What, you may ask, does gas guns +have to do with lasers? Nothing, really, but the gun is physically +located across the road from the Free Electron Laser building, +and the FEL building has a heavily shielded control room (thick walls) +from which the gun firings are controlled. So I suspect that the +office he works for is an administrative convenience. + +I visited Hunter at the beginning of Feb. and we toured the gun. +At the time I was working on gas gun R&D at Boeing, where I work, +but I am now doing other things (helping to save the space station), + +The gun uses a methane-air mixture, which is burned in a chamber +about 200 ft long by 16 inch ID (i.e. it looks like a pipe). +The chamber holds a 1 ton piston which is propelled at several +hundred m/s down the chamber. On the other side of the piston +is hudrogen gas, initially at room temperature andsome tens +of atmospheres. + +The piston compresses and heats the hydrogen ahead of it until +a stainless steel burst diaphragm ruptures, at around 50,000 psi. +The barrel of the gun is about 100 feet long and has a 4 inch +bore. It is mounted at right angles to the chamber (i.e. they +intersect). This was done so that in the future, the barrel +could be raised and the gun fired into the air without having to +move the larger and heavier chamber. The projectile being used +in testing is a 5 kg cylinder of Lexan plastic, 4 in in diameter +and about 50 cm long. + +All of the acceleration comes from the expansion of the hydrogen +gas from 50,000 psi downwards until the projectile leaves the +barrel. The barrel is evacuated, and the end is sealed with a +sheet of plastic film (a little thicker than Saran wrap). The +plastic is blown off by the small amount of residual air trapped +in the barrel ahead of the projectile. + +The gun is fired into a bunker filled with sandbags and plastic +water jugs. In the early testing fragments of the plastic +projectile were found. At the higher speeds in later testing, +the projectile vaporizes. + +The testing is into a bunker because the Livermore test range is +about 3 miles across, and the projectile would go 100-200 km +if fired for maximum range. The intent is to move the whole gun +to Vandenberg AFB after the testing is complete, where they can +fire into the Pacific Ocean, and use the tracking radar at VAFB +to follow the projectiles. + +The design goal of the gun is to throw a 5 kg projectile at 4 +km/s (half of orbital speed). So far they have reached 2 km/s, +and the gun is currently down for repairs, as on the last test +they blew a seal and damaged some of the hardware (I think it +had to do with the methane-air more detonating than burning, but +I haven't had a chance to talk to Hunter directly on this). + +There are people waiting to test scramjet components in this +gun by firing then out of the gun into the air (at Mach 12= +4 km/s), since the most you can get in wind tunnels is Mach 8. + +This gun cost about 4 million to develop, and is basically +a proof-of-concept for a bigger gun capable of firing useful- +sized payloads into space. This would require on the order of +100 kg projectiles, which deliver on the order of 20 kg +useful payload to orbit. + +Dani Eder + +-- +Dani Eder/Meridian Investment Company/(205)464-2697(w)/232-7467(h)/ +Rt.1, Box 188-2, Athens AL 35611/Location: 34deg 37' N 86deg 43' W +100m alt. +";2;True +"From: fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary) +Subject: Re: Some more about gun control... +Nntp-Posting-Host: ucsu.colorado.edu +Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder +Lines: 18 + +In article <2071@rwing.UUCP> pat@rwing.UUCP (Pat Myrto) writes: +>What I find so hard to understand is how come some people, apparantly +>NOT connected with government or otherwise privileged, will +>go to great lengths, redefinitions, re-interpretations, in a full-bore +>attempt to THROW AWAY THE PROTECTION OF THEIR OWN RIGHTS under the +>Constitution!!! +>Almost makes me think of lemmings running into the sea during a lemming +>year... +>I really wonder that Jefferson and Madison would say to these folks? + +They'd probably quote Montesque (sp?) who was once asked if Russia +was likely to become a democracy any time soon: ""No, because +Russia is a nation of slaves and the people get what they deserve."" +Since he said that, Russia has changed a great deal. But so, +unfortunately have other nations. + + Frank Crary + CU Boulder +";3;True +"From: davidk@welch.jhu.edu (David ""Go-Go"" Kitaguchi) +Subject: Re: A Little Too Satanic +Nntp-Posting-Host: uss1.welch.jhu.edu +Reply-To: davidk@welch.jhu.edu +Organization: Welch Medical Library +Lines: 21 + +In article 65934@mimsy.umd.edu, mangoe@cs.umd.edu (Charley Wingate) writes: +:PNanci Ann Miller writes: +:P +:P>My favorite reply to the ""you are being too literal-minded"" complaint is +:P>that if the bible is really inspired by God and if it is really THAT +:P>important to him, then he would make damn certain all the translators and +:P>scribes and people interpreting and copying it were getting it right, +:P>literally. If not, then why should I put ANY merit at all in something +:P>that has been corrupted over and over and over by man even if it was +:P>originally inspired by God? +:P +:PThe ""corrupted over and over"" theory is pretty weak. Comparison of the +:Pcurrent hebrew text with old versions and translations shows that the text +:Phas in fact changed very little over a space of some two millennia. This +:Pshouldn't be all that suprising; people who believe in a text in this manner +:Pare likely to makes some pains to make good copies. + +Well corrupted the first time is good enough. Seeing that the bible was constructed +400 years after Jesus's death, in the text of merchants (ie-owe this and owe that) I wonder how anyone can take the literal word seriously. Obviously it was not intended for such nonsense, otherwise the authors of the bible would not need to plagerize (sp) +off of the Asians for most of the contents that can be interperated to make sense. + +";9;True +"From: cepek@vixvax.mgi.com +Subject: Tempest vs LCD (was: Re: Once tapped...) +Organization: Management Graphics, Inc. +Lines: 19 + +douglas craig holland (holland@CS.ColoState.EDU) writes: +> +> With E-Mail, if they can't break your PGP encryption, they'll just +> call up one of their TEMPEST trucks and read the electromagnetic +> emmisions from your computer or terminal. Note that measures to +> protect yourself from TEMPEST surveillance are still classified, as +> far as I know. + +steiner@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu (Jason 'Think!' Steiner) writes: + +> are LCD displays vulnerable to tempest? + +I can see high-voltage type display devices being vulnerable (CRTs, +plasma displays, etc.) But Jason beat me to this question. What +about EM radiation from low-voltage items like LCD displays? + +Perhaps the critical element is the driver circuitry? The cabling? +What about a portable PC/Mac/etc., where all the ""noise"" is bunched +into one tiny area? +";16;True +"From: blakey@ug.cs.dal.ca (Jason Blakey) +Subject: Site for projects +Nntp-Posting-Host: ug.cs.dal.ca +Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada +Lines: 6 + + Does anyone out there know of any ftp sites which deal with +electronics projects, plans, etc? Any response appreciated.:) +JB +-- + ............................................................................ + Jason Blakey -> blakey@ug.cs.dal.ca +";11;True +"Organization: Penn State University +From: Azmi Hashim +Subject: Re: Trident 8900 *CL* 1280x1024 driver? +Lines: 18 + +In article , +dfeldman@lookout.mtt.it.uswc.uswest.com (David Feldman) says: + +>Please excuse if FAQ but... +>New Trident 8900CL based card claims to have 1280x1024 support. +>Drivers with card indicate several 1280x1024 drivers on diskette. +>Windows 3.1 does not make all drivers on diskette available to +>configuration dialog box. Any suggestion? +>Thanx; please e-mail. +>dfeldman@uswest.com + + +Since we are in the subject, I have one more question. I have a Trident +8900C Video Card. I want to know what is the latest video driver for it. +So far, all I can find is that an old driver dated Aug. 92 in garbo.uwasa.fi +Anyone have any info ? Please e-mail me at axh113@psuvm.psu.edu + +-Az. +";6;True +"From: lxrosser@cco.caltech.edu (Alex Rosser) +Subject: Re: What is "" Volvo "" ? +Article-I.D.: gap.1pl86tINNfv7 +Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena +Lines: 27 +NNTP-Posting-Host: blacker.caltech.edu + +wolfson@regatta.sps.mot.com (Stephen Wolfson) writes: + +>In article <1993Mar31.193406.29625@ugle.unit.no> oep@colargol.edb.tih.no +>(oep) writes: +>> which turns into a teenagers car when it gets old. The average +>lifelength of +>> a Volvo in Norway is 18 years, and in Sweden 20 years) + +>Of course someone pointed out when Saab or Volvo was running their +>At least 10 years ads, that the average milage was significantly +>less than than the US average. + +That my be, but every Volvo I've ever owned has lasted far longer than most +other cars..... +1981 Volvo 245....125,000 Miles, still on the road. +1983 Volvo 242....195,000 Miles, still on the road. +1984 Volvo 244....175,000 Miles, still on the road. +And I'll admit, the dealer repair cost is high. But with some mechanical +aptitude of your own, and finding a good indi mechanic, you can avoid most +breakdowns, and make the rest cheap(The sum total of the repairs on the car with +195,000 miles has been 2 mufflers and a radiator. Whoa. Bad repair record). +And all of these cars are driven fairly hard. None of them are at the head of +a line of cars going 30 MPH....the first two spend a lot of their operating +life with the speedometer pegged...and the only reason the 84 doesn't is it has +a 120 MPH speedo... +What I want to know is....have all you people who hate Volvos been traumatized +by someone in a 745 Turbo wagon blowing you away on the road, or what? +";10;True +"Subject: Re: Stop putting down white het males. +From: +Organization: City University of New York +Lines: 31 + +From: baba@Tymnet.com (Duane Hentrich) +-BTW, I'm a WALC (white aryan lapsed catholic) +- +--- +-d'baba Duane M. Hentrich baba@Tymnet.Com +- + I would like to go on record as objecting to Mr. Hentrich calling +himself an Aryan. The word `Aryan' is of Sanskrit origin and occurs first +in the Hindu scripture, the Rigveda. It seems to have been a tribal term +but may have had connotations of good character. Such connotations +are quite explicit in the sayings of the Buddha who called his religion the +eightfold Aryan path. The word was borrowed by the German scholar +Max Mueller who used it as a synonym for `indo-european', but then the +Nazis proceeded to steal it and started pretending that `aryan' is +synonymous with `nordic' which seems highly unlikely. The people who +originally called themselves aryas, the Iranians, Noprth Indians, the Afghans +and possibly the Kurds, are none of them nordic. So the use of the word +by Westerners, though meant with apparent good humor in this case, is +nontheless inappropriate. The only Westerners who may have some claim +to call themselves Aryans (by descent) are the Celts who seem to have wor- +shipped a god called Aryaman who is mentioned in the Rigveda. + + If you want to check what I am saying, look at Mallory's book, ``In +search of the Indo-Europeans"" or, just look at the Encyclopedia Britannica. +The reason this usage is offensive is that most of Ancient Indian literature +as well as religion is directly or inderectly due to the Aryans and +for Westerners to butt in is really not nice, not to mention the horrible +things done by Germans to Jews, using a word to which the Germans have +no clear claim. + +Rohit Parikh +";18;True +"From: hoang1@litwin.com (Ted Hoang) +Subject: Wcl 2.02 +Organization: Litwin Process Automation +Lines: 17 + +Hi, +I have a problem when compiled Wcl 2.02 in SCO ODT 2.0: + + + cc -c -Ox -I.. -I/usr/include Xt4GetResL.c +Xt4GetResL.c +Xt4GetResL.c(47) : error C2065: '_XtConstraintBit' : undefined +*** Error code 1 + +Although I follow the instructions in file README_BUILD to build Wcl in SCO +platform, this problem didn't resolve. + +So I have some questions related to this matter: + + 1. Does _XtConstraintBit exist in SCO ODT 2.0? ( Does _XtConstraintBit use + in X11R3 & X11R4? And What release does SCO ODT 2.0 use, X11R3 or X11R4?) + 2. If not, Does someone know how to work around? +";12;True +"From: rind@enterprise.bih.harvard.edu (David Rind) +Subject: Re: erythromycin +Organization: Beth Israel Hospital, Harvard Medical School, Boston Mass., USA +Lines: 11 +NNTP-Posting-Host: enterprise.bih.harvard.edu + +In article <47974@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> wsun@jeeves.ucsd.edu (Fiberman) writes: +>Is erythromycin effective in treating pneumonia? + +It depends on the cause of the pneumonia. For treating bacterial +pneumonia in young otherwise-healthy non-smokers, erythromycin +is usually considered the antibiotic of choice, since it covers +the two most-common pathogens: strep pneumoniae and mycoplasma +pneumoniae. +-- +David Rind +rind@enterprise.bih.harvard.edu +";4;True +"From: rind@enterprise.bih.harvard.edu (David Rind) +Subject: Re: Adult Chicken Pox +Distribution: usa +Organization: Beth Israel Hospital, Harvard Medical School, Boston Mass., USA +Lines: 15 +NNTP-Posting-Host: enterprise.bih.harvard.edu + +In article marcbg@feenix.metronet.com + (Marc Grant) writes: +>all over my bod. At what point am I no longer infectious? My physician's +>office says when they are all scabbed over. Is this true? + +Yes. + +>Is there any medications which can promote healing of the pox? Speed up +>healing? + +Acyclovir started in the first 1-2 days probably speeds recovery and +decreases the formation of new pox. +-- +David Rind +rind@enterprise.bih.harvard.edu +";4;True +"From: cox@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Sherman Cox) +Subject: Re: SDA Doctrinal Distinctives +Organization: NASA/MSFC +Lines: 21 + +healta@saturn.wwc.edu (TAMMY R HEALY) writes: + +>In article jodfishe@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (joseph dale fisher) writes: + +>|There is a book provided by the SDA which is entitled ""The Seventh Day +>|Adventist Church believes"", or something like that. + +>The book is called ""27 basic fundamental beliefs"" or something very close to +>that. the number *IS* 27, not 30. I have a copy at home (i'm away at +>school.) + +Actually the book is called ""Seventh Day Adventists believe..."" And there +are 27 basica beliefs. I believe it is printed by the Reveiew and +Herald Publishing Association. + +-- + +""Competition is the law of the jungle. + Cooperation is the law of civilization."" -- Eldridge Cleaver + +Sherman Cox, II scox@uahcs2.cs.uah.edu +";17;True +"From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) +Subject: Re: HST Servicing Mission Scheduled for 11 Days +Organization: U of Toronto Zoology +Lines: 35 + +In article <1rd1g0$ckb@access.digex.net> prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes: +>How will said re-boost be done? +>Grapple, HST, stow it in Cargo bay, do OMS burn to high altitude, +>unstow HST, repair gyros, costar install, fix solar arrays, +>then return to earth? + +Actually, the reboost will probably be done last, so that there is a fuel +reserve during the EVAs (in case they have to chase down an adrift +astronaut or something like that). But yes, you've got the idea -- the +reboost is done by taking the whole shuttle up. + +>My guess is why bother with usingthe shuttle to reboost? +>why not grapple, do all said fixes, bolt a small liquid fueled +>thruster module to HST, then let it make the re-boost... + +Somebody has to build that thruster module; it's not an off-the-shelf +item. Nor is it a trivial piece of hardware, since it has to include +attitude control (HST's own is not strong enough to compensate for things +like thruster imbalance), guidance (there is no provision to feed gyro +data from HST's own gyros to an external device), and separation (you +don't want it left attached afterward, if only to avoid possible +contamination after the telescope lid is opened again). You also get +to worry about whether the lid is going to open after the reboost is +done and HST is inaccessible to the shuttle (the lid stays closed for +the duration of all of this to prevent mirror contamination from +thrusters and the like). + +The original plan was to use the Orbital Maneuvering Vehicle to do the +reboost. The OMV was planned to be a sort of small space tug, well +suited to precisely this sort of job. Unfortunately, it was costing +a lot to develop and the list of definitely-known applications was +relatively short, so it got cancelled. +-- +SVR4 resembles a high-speed collision | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology +between SVR3 and SunOS. - Dick Dunn | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry +";2;True +"From: tjz6624@zeus.tamu.edu (ZINGALE, THOMAS J) +Subject: Re: 86 chevy sprint +Organization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services +Lines: 51 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: zeus.tamu.edu +News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 + +In article , Srinagesh Gavirneni writes... +>I have a 86 chevy sprint with a/c and 4doors. It's odometer turned 90k +>and the sensor light started blinking. I went to the dealer and he said +>it was a maintenance light saying I need to change the Oxygen sensor. He +>said, It is to be changed every 30k, but since I bought the car when it +>had 77k, I don't know if the same thing happened at 30k and 60k. He +>quoted $198 for the part and $50 to install it. The part cost $30 +>outside, but the mechanic I went to could not fix it saying the sensor +>is placed too deep in the engine parts. He suggested I wait till it +>malfunctions before I do anything. If anyone out there owns a chevy +>sprint, I want to know how they got their Oxygen sensors changed. Also, +>did you face any problem with fixing it without the dealer's help. Also, +>what are the results of the oxygen sensor malfunction. +> Any help would be greatly apprecisted +> Thanks + +> Nagesh +I have owned my Sprint from the beginning and that sensor light comes on every +30K to let you know it's time for a check up. When that light goes on, I just +take it to the delaer tell them ""It's that time"" and they work on it for 4 hou +and you pay $5 for parts and $100 for labor. (Ahh...what they get for labor) +I currently have about 95K on my Sprint and of all the times I took it in for +service, I never say on the payment sheet anything about the replacement of the +Oxygen sensor. What the heck is an Oxygen sensor? As far an I know of, I have +never had that thing replaced in my car and the car is purring like a kitten. +Now, I don't have a/c (Mother Nature does that for me :-) ) and that might have +something to do with it, but I still never heard of an Oxygen sensor. The only +MAJOR service job I have had on my car (besides getting the tires replaced +if you want to call that a service job) was getting the Rotor, Distributor and +Gasket replaced. And that was all done within the past 2 months. + +What I do at 30K is have a good tune-up, let them replace what ever they need +to, pay the bill (about $125) and go home and don't worry about the car for +another 30K. Oh, I just remembered something. If that little sensor light +bothers you, in the fuse box right below the turn-signal lever up against +the dash, there is a swith on the right side. Flip that switch and the light +will go off. I do that so that little light won't annoy me. If you can't +find it, look it up in the car manuel. I hope that I have helped a little +and good luck with the _Oxygen sensor_? + + - Thomas - + +****************************************************************************** +* E-Mail Address: * ""Give me an an army of West Point, * +* TJZ6624@ZEUS.TAMU.EDU * graduates and I'll win a battle... * +* * Give me a handful of Texas Aggies, * +* ""Creator of MOT POWER!"" * and I'll win a war."" * +* * - Gen. George S. Patton * +****************************************************************************** + + +";10;True +"From: butzerd@maumee.eng.ohio-state.edu (Dane C. Butzer) +Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. +Organization: The Ohio State University Dept of Electrical Engineering +Distribution: na +Lines: 19 + +In article <1993Apr20.034724.3748@colnet.cmhnet.org> res@colnet.cmhnet.org (Rob Stampfli) writes: +>>> With E-Mail, if they can't break your PGP encryption, they'll just +>>>call up one of their TEMPEST trucks and read the electromagnetic emmisions +>>>from your computer or terminal. Note that measures to protect yourself from +>> +>>2. I could independently invent about half a dozen right off +>>the top of my head. If I had studied Advanced E & M a little better, +>>I could probably come up with a _very_ good system. +> +>Wouldn't a a second monitor of similar type scrolling gibberish and adjacent +>to the one being used provide reasonable resistance to tempest attacks? + +Actually, old video games and pinball machines are supposed to work pretty +good (at blocking EM eavesdropping), too. Those things put out a LOT of EM +noise. Back in the 80's, I read about computer companies putting bunches +of games in their buildings for just this purpose (not to mention the $$$). + + +Dane +";16;True +"From: MAILRP%ESA.BITNET@vm.gmd.de +Subject: message from Space Digest +X-Added: Forwarded by Space Digest +Organization: [via International Space University] +Original-Sender: isu@VACATION.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU +Distribution: sci +Lines: 62 + + + + + +Press Release No.19-93 +Paris, 22 April 1993 + +Users of ESA's Olympus satellite report on the outcome of +their experiments + +""Today Europe's space telecommunications sector would not +be blossoming as it now does, had OLYMPUS not provided +a testbed for the technologies and services of the 1990s"". This +summarises the general conclusions of 135 speakers and 300 +participants at the Conference on Olympus Utilisation held in +Seville on 20-22-April 1993. The conference was organised by +the European Space Agency (ESA) and the Spanish Centre for +the Development of Industrial Technology (CDTI). + +OLYMPUS has been particularly useful : +- in bringing satellite telecommunications to thousands of + new users, thanks to satellite terminals with very small + antennas (VSATs). OLYMPUS experiments have tested + data transmission, videoconferencing, business television, + distance teaching and rural telephony, to give but a few + examples. + +- in opening the door to new telecommunications services + which could not be accommodated on the crowded lower- + frequency bands; OLYMPUS was the first satellite over + Europe to offer capacity in the 20/30 GHz band. + +- in establishing two-way data relay links OLYMPUS + received for the first time in Europe, over several months, + high-volume data from a low-Earth orbiting spacecraft and + then distributed it to various centres in Europe. + +When OLYMPUS was launched on 12 July 1989 it was the +world's largest telecommunications satellite; and no other +satellite has yet equalled its versatility in combining four +different payloads in a wide variety of frequency bands. + +OLYMPUS users range from individual experimenters to some +of the world's largest businesses. Access to the satellite is +given in order to test new telecommunications techniques or +services; over the past four years some 200 companies and +organisations made use of this opportunity, as well as over +100 members of the EUROSTEP distance-learning +organisation. + + + +As the new technologies and services tested by these +OLYMPUS users enter the commercial market, they then +make use of operational satellites such as those of +EUTELSAT. + +OLYMPUS utilisation will continue through 1993 and 1994, +when the spacecraft will run out of fuel as it approaches the +end of its design life. + + +";2;True +"From: leopold@jekyll.ucsf.edu (John Olson) +Subject: Re: Is itproper net etiquette to advertise a company's junk mail list? +Distribution: usa +Organization: University of California, San Francisco, Dept of Lab Med +Lines: 6 + +not only is it improper etiquette AND illegal but the people who +are responsible for junk mailings are *EVIL*!!!! + + + +ahhh...ive always wanted to get that off my chest. +";8;True +"From: nataraja@rtsg.mot.com (Kumaravel Natarajan) +Subject: Dirty Diesels? +Nntp-Posting-Host: opal12 +Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group +Distribution: na +Lines: 17 + +I heard the diesels are considered cleaner-burning than +gas engines because the emit less of: Carbon Monoxide, +Hydrocarbons, and Oxides of Nitrogen. (CO, HC, NOX). + +But they can put out a lot of particulate matter. I heard +something about legislation being discussed to ""clean up +diesel emissions"". Is there anything in the works to +install ""scrubbers"" for diesels? How about the feasibility +of installing them on trucks and cars? Would it be any +different than a catylitic converter? I'd assume easier, +since we're removing particulate matter instead of converting +gasses. Let's hear people's opinions... + +-- +-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- +-- Vel Natarajan nataraja@rtsg.mot.com Motorola Cellular, Arlington Hts IL -- +-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- +";10;True +"From: schauf@iastate.edu (Brian J Schaufenbuel) +Subject: Re: HINT 486 VLB/ISA/EISA motherboard +Keywords: 486, motherboard +Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA +Distribution: usa +Lines: 36 + +In article korenek@nmti.com (gary korenek) writes: +>In article schauf@iastate.edu (Brian J Schaufenbuel) writes: +>>I am looking at buying some Companion brand VLB/ISA/EISA motherboards with +>>HINT chipsets. Has anybody had any experience with this board (good or bad)? +>>Any information would be helpful! +>>thanks +>>Brian J Schaufenbuel +> +> +>I believe that any VL/EISA/ISA motherboard that uses the HINT chipset +>is limited to 24-bit EISA DMA (where 'real' EISA DMA is 32-bit). The +>HINT EISA DMA has the 16 mb ram addressing limitation of ISA. For this +>reason I would pass. I own one of these (HAWK VL/EISA/ISA) and am look- +>ing to replace it for exactly this reason. +> +>Please double-check me on this. In other words, call the motherboard +>manufacturer and ask them if the motherboard supports true 32-bit EISA +>DMA. +> +>Other than this limitation, the motherboard works quite well (I am using +>mine with DOS 5, Windows 3.1, and UNIX S5R3.2). Also with Adaptec 1742a +>EISA SCSI host adapter. +> +>-- +>Gary Korenek (korenek@nmti.com) +>Network Management Technology Incorporated +>Sugar Land, Texas (713) 274-5357 + + +You are correct! The motherboard manufacturer where I usually buy boards says +that they will have this problem fixed in about two weeks... +-- +_______________________________________- Brian Schaufenbuel____________________ +| Brian J Schaufenbuel [ ""There is no art which one government sooner learns ] +| Helser 3644 Halsted [ than that of draining money from the pockets of the ] +| Ames, Ia 50012 [ people [especially college students]."" - Adam Smith ] +";5;True +"From: jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) +Subject: Re: Wanted: Advice for New Cylist +Organization: Ontario Hydro - Research Division +Lines: 18 + +In article blaisec@sr.hp.com (Blaise Cirelli) writes: +> +>I'm thinking of buying a motorcycle. Whenever I tell people +>this I usually get an answer like ""Why do you want to do that +>My brother, sister, cousin knows somebody who had a motorcycle +>and now they are brain dead as a result of an accident?"" +> +>So the question I have is ""HOW DANGEROUS IS RIDING""? + +It's exactly as dangerous as it looks. You're hard to see and have little +protection. Keeping out of trouble means knowing your limits, keeping your +machine in good shape and being able to predict and make up for every stupid +move that drivers make out there. We deal with it because it's fun, but +staying alive takes a conscious effort. + +I've bike like | Jody Levine DoD #275 kV + got a you can if you -PF | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca + ride it | Toronto, Ontario, Canada +";7;True +"From: REXLEX@fnal.fnal.gov +Subject: Hell_2: Black Sabbath +Organization: FNAL/AD/Net +Lines: 70 + +[In looking through my files this weekend, I ran across some lyrics from +various rock groups that have content. Here are two from Black Sabbath's +""Master of Reality"". I'll say this much for the music of the '60's and early +'70's, at least they asked questions of significance. Jethro Tull is another +to asked and wrote about things that caused one to wonder. --Rex] + +AFTER FOREVER + +Have you ever thought about your soul-- + can it be saved? +Or perhaps you think that when you're dead + you just stay in you grave. +Is God just a thought within you read in a book + when you were at school? +When you think about death + Do you lose your breath + Or do you keep your cool? + +Would you like to see the Pope on the end of a rope? +Do you think he's a fool? +Well I have seen the truth. Yes I have seen the light + and I've changed my ways. +And I'll be prepared + When you're lonely and scared + at the end of your days. + +Could it be you're afraid of what your friends might say +If they knew you believed in God above? +They should realize before they criticise +That God is the only way to love. + +Is your mind so small that you have to fall +In with the pack wherever they run? +Will you still sneer when death is near +And say they may as well worship the sun? + +I think it was true -it was people like you + that crucified Christ. +I think it is sad the opinion you had + was the only one voiced. +Will you be so sure when your day is near + to say you don't believe? +You had the chance but you turned it down + now you can't retrieve. +Perhaps you'll think before you say that God is dead & gone +Open your eyes, just realize that He is the one. +The only one who can save you now from all this sin and hate. +Or will you still jeer at all you hear? +Yes! I think it's too late. + + +LORD OF THIS WORLD + +You're searching for your mind don't know where to start. +Can't find the key to fit the lock on your heart. +You think you know but you are never quite sure +Your soul is ill but you will not find a cure. +Your world was made for you by someone above +But you choose evil ways instead of love. +You made me master of the world where you exist +The soul I took from you was not even missed. +Lord of the world, +Evil Possessor, +Lord of this world, +He's now your confessor! +You think you're innocent -you've nothing to fear +You don't know me, you say, but isn't it clear? +You turned to me in all your worldly + greed and pride. +But will you turn to me when it your turn to die? +";17;True +"From: demers@cs.ucsd.edu (David DeMers) +Subject: Re: HBP? BB? BIG-CAT? +Distribution: na +Organization: CSE Dept., UC San Diego +Lines: 15 +Nntp-Posting-Host: mbongo.ucsd.edu + + +In article , kubey@sgi.com (Ken Kubey) writes: + I don't +|> blame players like Galarraga, Dawson and McGee when they swing at +|> a strike and put the ball in play. + +Well, no problem! But I get pretty annoyed when they swing at non-strikes +and make outs. Especially ball four on the 3-2 counts... + +Dave +-- +Dave DeMers demers@cs.ucsd.edu +Computer Science & Engineering 0114 demers%cs@ucsd.bitnet +UC San Diego ...!ucsd!cs!demers +La Jolla, CA 92093-0114 (619) 534-0688, or -8187, FAX: (619) 534-7029 +";14;True +"From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) +Subject: Re: Patient-Physician Diplomacy +Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) +Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science +Lines: 18 + +In article <1993Mar29.130824.16629@aoa.aoa.utc.com> carl@aoa.aoa.utc.com (Carl Witthoft) writes: + +>What is ""unacceptable"" about this is that hospitals and MDs by law +>have no choice but to treat you if you show up sick or mangled from +>an accident. If you aren't rich and have no insurance, who is going +>to foot your bills? Do you actually intend to tell the ambulance +>""No, let me die in the gutter because I can't afford the treatment""?? + +By law, they would not be allowed to do that anyhow. + + + + +-- +---------------------------------------------------------------------------- +Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and +geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" +---------------------------------------------------------------------------- +";4;True +"Subject: canadian silver dollar-stanley cup centennial +From: hammerl@acsu.buffalo.edu (Valerie S. Hammerl) +Organization: UB +Nntp-Posting-Host: lictor.acsu.buffalo.edu +Lines: 19 + + +Hi. According to my always questionable newspaper, there's a silver +dollar being minted in Canada, the back of which commemorates the +anniversary of the Stanley Cup. Now, I know full well what coins are +used every day in Canada. I can easily fish a few out of my pocket +change right now, in fact. My question is, since the loon is the only +dollar coin that I know is legal tender, is this just a commemorative +coin with no monetary exchange value, or what? Is it the sort of +thing that only hockey buffs and coin collectors might covet, with no +chance of it being circulated? If it is an uncirculated coin, what's +the current cost and what's its potential value? Just curious. If no +one knows, I'll take this to soc.culture.canada and rec.collecting (or +whatever it is). Thanks again + +-- +Valerie Hammerl ""Some days I have to remind him he's not +hammerl@acsu.buffalo.edu Mario Lemieux."" Herb Brooks on Claude +acscvjh@ubms.cc.buffalo.edu Lemieux, top scorer for the Devils, but +v085pwwpz@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu known for taking dumb penalties. +";13;True +"From: suopanki@stekt6.oulu.fi (Heikki T. Suopanki) +Subject: Re: A visit from the Jehovah's Witnesses +In-Reply-To: jbrown@batman.bmd.trw.com's message of 5 Apr 93 11:24:30 MST +Lines: 17 +Reply-To: suopanki@stekt.oulu.fi +Organization: Unixverstas Olutensin, Finlandia + <1993Apr3.183519.14721@proxima.alt.za> + <1993Apr5.112430.825@batman.bmd.trw.com> + +>>>>> On 5 Apr 93 11:24:30 MST, jbrown@batman.bmd.trw.com said: + +:> God is eternal. [A = B] +:> Jesus is God. [C = A] +:> Therefore, Jesus is eternal. [C = B] + +:> This works both logically and mathematically. God is of the set of +:> things which are eternal. Jesus is a subset of God. Therefore +:> Jesus belongs to the set of things which are eternal. + +Everything isn't always so logical.... + +Mercedes is a car. +That girl is Mercedes. +Therefore, that girl is a car? + +-Heikki +";9;True +"From: dlneal@apgea.army.mil (Dennis L. Neal ) +Subject: AMIGA Software For Sale!! +Organization: Edgewood +Lines: 22 +Nntp-Posting-Host: cbda9.apgea.army.mil + + + I have the following Amiga software for sale: + +ProVideo GOLD $50 + +AmigaVision $25 + +B.E.S.T. Plan It! $10 +spreadsheet +(still in shrinkwrap) + +SuperBack $10 +(hard drive backup) + +Certificate Maker $10 + + +Add s&h to the above and its yours...email me at the address listed below: + + +thanx, +-Dennis L. Neal dlneal@cbda9.apgea.army.mil +";8;True +"From: tony@morgan.demon.co.uk (Tony Kidson) +Subject: Re: Protective gear +Distribution: world +Organization: The Modem Palace +Reply-To: tony@morgan.demon.co.uk +X-Newsreader: Simple NEWS 1.90 (ka9q DIS 1.21) +Lines: 26 + +In article <1993Apr5.151323.7183@rd.hydro.on.ca> jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca writes: + +>In article maven@eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes: +>>Question for the day: +>> +>>What protective gear is the most important? I've got a good helmet (shoei +>>rf200) and a good, thick jacket (leather gold) and a pair of really cheap +>>leather gloves... What should my next purchase be? Better gloves, boots, +>>leather pants, what? +> +>I would go for the gloves. There's not a whole lot that you can do in life if +>you have no skin on your hands. + +Yup! Ruins your sex life! + +Tony + + + ++---------------+------------------------------+-------------------------+ +|Tony Kidson | ** PGP 2.2 Key by request ** |Voice +44 81 466 5127 | +|Morgan Towers, | The Cat has had to move now |E-Mail(in order) | +|Morgan Road, | as I've had to take the top |tony@morgan.demon.co.uk | +|Bromley, | off of the machine. |tny@cix.compulink.co.uk | +|England BR1 3QE|Honda ST1100 -=<*>=- DoD# 0801|100024.301@compuserve.com| ++---------------+------------------------------+-------------------------+ +";7;True +"From: netops@tekgen.bv.tek.com (Randy King) +Subject: RE: headlights problem +Keywords: headlights +Article-I.D.: tekgen.2407 +Organization: Tektronix Inc., Beaverton, Or. +Lines: 6 + +THANKS TO ALL OF YOU WHO RESPONDED TO MY POSTING. + +THE PROBLEM WITH MY TRUCK'S HEADLIGHTS LOW BEAM PROBLEM WAS A ""LOOSE WIRE + CONNECTION"". IT WAS NOT THE ""FUSE"" AS A MINORITY OF YOU SUGGESTED. + +THANKS AGAIN. +";10;True +"From: btbg1194@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Bradley T Banko) +Subject: Save my hard disk?! (allocation error, cross-linked) +Reply-To: b-banko@uiuc.edu +Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana +Lines: 150 + +Hi. + +While running the MS Quick C compiler in a DOS window under Windows 3.1 +this evening, I got a ""program has violated system integrity... close all +applications, exit windows and restart your computer"" error. + +I started to do this when I immediately got a ""Serious disk error"" message +from Windows. ""hit return to retry"". I did that about 5 times and then +rebooted to find that quite a few files have been corrupted somehow. +(I am including the chkdsk output below.) + +Questions: + +1) Is there an easy way to restore everything to working order? +What might be some better approaches? + +2) What might have caused this? Does the SMARTDRV cache make me more +vulnerable? (I'm suspicious of hard drive caches especially when they +cache data writing.) + +The straightforward approach would be to run chkdsk with the /f option to +fix the disk and then it looks like I would probably have to reinstall Windows +and a few other things. + +Thanks for your comments and suggestions. + +Brad Banko + +ps: this is a 386sx machine with a 40Mb hard drive and 2 Mb of RAM. + + +chkdsk output: +====================================================================== +Volume Serial Number is 1159-09D3 +Errors found, F parameter not specified +Corrections will not be written to disk + +C:\GFX\VPIC46\CVPIC.EXE + Allocation error, size adjusted +C:\GFX\VPIC46\VPIC.TXT + Allocation error, size adjusted +C:\GFX\VPIC46\VIDEO7.CFG + Allocation error, size adjusted +C:\GFX\VPIC46\ORCPRO2.CFG + Allocation error, size adjusted +C:\GFX\VPIC46\VGA.CFG + Allocation error, size adjusted +C:\GAME\GOOSE\BIRD2.X + Allocation error, size adjusted +C:\WINMISC\ADV21\WINADV.EXE + Allocation error, size adjusted + + 316 lost allocation units found in 224 chains. + 647168 bytes disk space would be freed + +C:\GFX\VPIC46\CVPIC.EXE + Is cross linked on allocation unit 16133 +C:\GFX\VPIC46\GENO5400.CFG + Is cross linked on allocation unit 16138 +C:\GFX\VPIC46\TRI8800B.CFG + Is cross linked on allocation unit 16139 +C:\GFX\VPIC46\TS4000HI.CFG + Is cross linked on allocation unit 16140 +C:\GFX\VPIC46\CONFIG.DOC + Is cross linked on allocation unit 16141 +C:\GFX\VPIC46\VPIC.TXT + Is cross linked on allocation unit 16146 +C:\GFX\VPIC46\VIDEO7.CFG + Is cross linked on allocation unit 16151 +C:\GFX\VPIC46\DEFINCON.CFG + Is cross linked on allocation unit 16152 +C:\GFX\VPIC46\ATIWONDR.CFG + Is cross linked on allocation unit 16153 +C:\GFX\VPIC46\GENO6400.CFG + Is cross linked on allocation unit 16154 +C:\GFX\VPIC46\OAK.CFG + Is cross linked on allocation unit 16155 +C:\GFX\VPIC46\HIRES.CFG + Is cross linked on allocation unit 16156 +C:\GFX\VPIC46\AHEADA.CFG + Is cross linked on allocation unit 16157 +C:\GFX\VPIC46\VPIC.DOC + Is cross linked on allocation unit 16208 +C:\GFX\VPIC46\ORCPRO2.CFG + Is cross linked on allocation unit 16184 +C:\GFX\VPIC46\EVERX673.CFG + Is cross linked on allocation unit 16185 +C:\GFX\VPIC46\WAIT.COM + Is cross linked on allocation unit 16186 +C:\GFX\VPIC46\MAXXON.CFG + Is cross linked on allocation unit 16187 +C:\GFX\VPIC46\WAIT.DOC + Is cross linked on allocation unit 16188 +C:\GFX\VPIC46\EVERX678.CFG + Is cross linked on allocation unit 16189 +C:\GFX\VPIC46\EGA.CFG + Is cross linked on allocation unit 16190 +C:\GFX\VPIC46\CONFIG.EXE + Is cross linked on allocation unit 16191 +C:\GFX\VPIC46\README.1ST + Is cross linked on allocation unit 16199 +C:\GFX\VPIC46\VGA.CFG + Is cross linked on allocation unit 16201 +C:\GAME\GOOSE\BIRD2.X + Is cross linked on allocation unit 16382 +C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\SOUND.DRV + Is cross linked on allocation unit 16380 +C:\WINDOWS\GAMES0.GRP + Is cross linked on allocation unit 16367 +C:\WINDOWS\MAD79-11.BMP + Is cross linked on allocation unit 16341 +C:\MAGE\DEMO2_2A.KIN + Is cross linked on allocation unit 16151 +C:\MAGE\DEMO2_2B.KIN + Is cross linked on allocation unit 16257 +C:\MAGE\PKIN_2_2.EXE + Is cross linked on allocation unit 16339 +C:\WINMISC\GAMES\DIALWORD.EXE + Is cross linked on allocation unit 16184 +C:\WINMISC\GAMES\DIALWORD.TXT + Is cross linked on allocation unit 16201 +C:\WINMISC\ADV21\WINADV.WRI + Is cross linked on allocation unit 16257 +C:\WINMISC\ADV21\ADV.KEY + Is cross linked on allocation unit 16265 +C:\WINMISC\ADV21\ADV.REC + Is cross linked on allocation unit 16275 +C:\WINMISC\ADV21\FREEZER + Is cross linked on allocation unit 16339 +C:\386SPART.PAR + Is cross linked on allocation unit 16133 +C:\BNG2.MBX + Is cross linked on allocation unit 16146 + + 42366976 bytes total disk space + 3958784 bytes in 4 hidden files + 153600 bytes in 67 directories + 36042752 bytes in 1496 user files + 1564672 bytes available on disk + + 2048 bytes in each allocation unit + 20687 total allocation units on disk + 764 available allocation units on disk + + 655360 total bytes memory + 579712 bytes free +-- +Brad Banko; Dept of Physics; U of Illinois; b-banko@uiuc.edu +========================================================================= +See one. Do one. Teach one. 73 de kb8cne @ n9lnq.il +";6;True +"From: Sean_Oliver@mindlink.bc.ca (Sean Oliver) +Subject: Re: Need to find out number to a phone line +Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada +Lines: 28 + +> Joseph Mich Krzeszewsk writes: +> +> Msg-ID: <1quomg$f6m@bigboote.WPI.EDU> +> Posted: 19 Apr 1993 17:49:04 GMT +> +> Org. : Worcester Polytechnic Institute +> +> Well, this is my second try at posting on this subject. Here goes... +> In Texas (Corpus Christi at least) if you pick up the phone and +> dial +> 890 the phone company will read the number of the phone you are on +> back to you. I believe the service department uses this to make +> certain they are repairing the correct lines when they open the BIG +> junction boxes. I don't know if it will work but you can give it a +> try. Good luck. +> +> + +Where I live, I use BCTEL. The number to dial is 211 for the same result. + +-- ++--------------------------------------------+ +| Sean Oliver | +| Internet Address: a8647@MINDLINK.BC.CA | +| | +| Mindlink! BBS (604)576-1412 | ++--------------------------------------------+ + +";11;True +"From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) +Subject: Re: Keith Schneider - Stealth Poster? +Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena +Lines: 19 +NNTP-Posting-Host: lloyd.caltech.edu + +mam@mouse.cmhnet.org (Mike McAngus) writes: + +>Let me see if I understand what you are saying. In order to talk +>knowledgeably about religion, Atheists must first have been so immersed +>in a religion that only the rare individual could have left. + +No, you don't understand. I said that I don't think people can discuss +the subjective merits of religion objectively. This should be obvious. +People here have said that everyone would be better off without religion, +but this almost certainly isn't true. + +>>But really, are you threatened by the motto, or by the people that use it? +>The motto is a tool. Let's try to take away the tool. + +But, guns and axes are tools, both of which have been used for murder. +Should both be taken away? That is to say, I don't think motto misuse +warrants its removal. At least not in this case. + +keith +";9;True +"Subject: HELP!! How to get refund from Visual Images? +From: koutd@hirama.hiram.edu (DOUGLAS KOU) +Organization: Hiram College +Nntp-Posting-Host: hirama.hiram.edu +Lines: 28 + +I participated a promotion by a company called Visual Images. +They sent me a award certificate three months ago and asked +me to buy their promotion package in order to receive the major +award. They mislabled my address and I did not receive my package +until one month ago. I was mad and angry about how it took them +so long to get my package. So I wrote them a letter and requested +for a refund. They never return my letter. I was lucky enough to +find out their telephone number through operator and received the +package. I immediately returned the package and wrote them another +letter to ask for refund. The package was returned because they +address they put on the package was incorrect. I attempted to +call them and learnd that they have changed their telephone number. +It took me at least 10 phone calls to find out their new number, +but they refused to take any responsibility. I spoke to their +manager and she said she would call me back, but she has not call +yet. But I was able to get their address from their front desk. +Should I just go ahead and send the package? Or should I waite until +they call me back? + +I know there are several people on the net has experience with the +same company. I would like to know how they got their money back. +If you have similar experience, please advise me. + +Thanks in advance, + +Douglas Kou +Hiram College + +";8;True +"From: re4@prism.gatech.EDU (RUSSELL EARNEST) +Subject: Re: Players Rushed to Majors +Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology +Lines: 29 + +In article <1993Apr15.145753.21557@holos0.uucp>, lbr@holos0.uucp (Len Reed) writes: +> In article hanson@tss.com (Hanson Loo) writes: +> >Didn't Bob Horner go straight from Arizona State Univ. +> >to the Atlanta Braves? I remember he had one great +> >month hitting dingers and then the next I heard +> >he was in Japan. +> A month? Well, he did have a short career--compared to what one might +> have expected for such a highly touted prospect--due to being injury prone, +> overweight, and having no work ethic. But he certainly did not +> suffer from being rushed to the bigs. + +Sorry Len, this is exactly how he suffered from being rushed to the bigs. +Being overweight and having no work ethic, leading to being injury prone with +nothing to loose, might have been corrected in Richmond. (Did you intend a +smiley after your comment?) + +This brings back the long suffering memories of pre-chop Braves fans who +kept being promised the Bob Horner - Dale Murphy back to back power slam. Who +could stop that? Guess we'll never know. + +P.S. - Rocky fans (are there any yet?) Is Dale getting any playing time out +there? I plan to be at the game on June 28th, they'll have to play him then. + + +-- +""Read that to memory and process it!"" - RUSSELL EARNEST +Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332 +uucp: ...!{allegra,amd,hplabs,seismo,ut-ngp}!gatech!prism!re4 +ARPA: russell.earnest@housing.gatech.edu +";14;True +"From: an030@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Broward Horne) +Subject: Re: The Manitoban Candidate +Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) +Lines: 12 +Reply-To: an030@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Broward Horne) +NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu + + +In a previous article, smith@phoneme.harvard.edu (Steven Smith) says: + +>With yet another tax being floated by the Clinton administration to +>pay for new ``free'' social programs, I've really begun to suspect +>that the Canadians, long resentful of their place in the American +>shadow, brainwashed an American draft dodger who fled to Canada some + + + Hey, he HAS been talking with Mulroney a lot, huh? + + +";18;True +"From: gp2011@andy.bgsu.edu (George Pavlic) +Subject: Re: Matt Militzok please read! +Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh. +Lines: 13 + +In article , gp2011@andy.bgsu.edu +(George Pavlic) wrote: +> +> +> Sorry to everyone for wasting space. Matt, the other day you posted that +> you were doing a mailing list of playoff stats. I lost your address. +> Please put me on that list. Thanks. +> +> George + +Sorry again. I guess you need my address. + +gp2011@mailserver.bgsu.edu +";13;True +"From: pjs269@tijc02.uucp (Paul Schmidt) +Subject: Re: Employment (was Re: Why not concentrate on child molesters? +Organization: Advocates for Self-Government - Davy Crockett Chapter +X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4 +Lines: 50 + +sys1@exnet.co.uk (Xavier Gallagher) writes: +: +: No. I make a distinction between working for yourself to survive and +: paying dues to Mother Nature in the form of labour and working for +: Joe propertyowner because you do not have the option of working for +: yourself. Joe propertyowner stands between you and the earth you +: work and expects you to pay him *and* mother nature for the right +: to survive. The property laws create a layer of parasites that get +: fat on the fact that people have *no option* except to work in +: factories. +: +I want people to be able to get the things they need in life. Property +ownership may not be ideal, but it is far better at letting people get +what they need to live a productive, fulfulling life. + +The first experiment in America, where property ownership was denied, +caused, starvation, hunger, and death. Few people know that the +Pilgrims originally tried to have common property to grow food and a +common food store. Many people know the hardships they suffered the +first few winters because of it. After arriving, the Pilgrims made all +property common. They all shared in the work and the resulting crops +went into a common store. After much debate the new Governor Bradford +privitized the land; assigning plots to each family. According to Perry +D. Westbrook: ""The change was immediately justified by the increased +industry of the inhabitants and by the larger acreage planted."" + +Bradford himself acknowledged this failure of communism. He wrote: ""The +experience that was had in this common course and condition, tried +sundry years and that amongst godly and sober men, may well evince the +vanity of that conceit of Plato's and other ancients applauded by some of +later times; that the taking away of property and bringing in community into +a commonwealth would make them happy and flourishing; as if they were wiser +than God. For this community (so far as it was) was found to breed much +confusion and discontent and retard much employment that would have been +to their benefit and comfort."" + +Bradford did not blame this failure on the ""strangers"", but on the basic +selfishness in all men. He wrote ""seeing all men have this corruption in +them, God in his wisdom saw another course fitter for them."" In other +words, according to Westbrook, ""Bradford found private enterprise to be +the most suitable economic policy for mankind in its fallen state."" + +Let's not make the same mistake that the Pilgrims made. Private +property allows a society to flourish, the alternative brings +starvation, poverty and discontent. +-- +Paul Schmidt: Advocates for Self-Government, Davy Crockett Chapter President +706 Judith Drive, Johnson City, TN 37604, (615)283-0084, uunet!tijc02!pjs269 +""Freedom seems to have unleashed the creative energies of the people -- and +leads to ever higher levels of income and social progress."" -- U.N. report +";18;True +"From: bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig) +Subject: Is it good that Jesus died? +Organization: Starfleet Headquarters: San Francisco +Lines: 114 + +brian@lpl.arizona.edu (Brian Ceccarelli 602/621-9615) writes: +>Brian Kendig writes: +> +>>If you can explain to me why the death of Jesus was a *good* thing, +>>then I would be very glad to hear it, and you might even convert me. +>>Be warned, however, that I've heard all the most common arguments +>>before, and they just don't convince me. +> +>Ask Jesus himself. He himself said why in John 12:23-32. It +>isn't a mystery to anyone and there certainly is no need for +>a persuasive argument. Read Jesus's own reply to your +>question. + +John 12:24-26: ""Most assuredly, I say to you, unless a grain of wheat +falls onto the ground and dies, it remains alone; but if it dies, it +produces much grain. + ""He who loves his life will lose it, and he who hates his life in +this world will keep it for eternal life. + ""If anyone serves Me, let him follow Me; and where I am, there My +servant will be also. If anyone serves Me, him My Father will honor."" + +Why would I want an eternal life if I hate this one? + +If we were created by a deity, why would that deity not wish us to +enjoy what he has given us? + +Why would I want to live forever? The challenge in my life is that I +will die, and that I must give my life the meaning I wish it to have +before that happens. My time is here and will someday pass; I will be +content to live on in the memories of my friends, and once they too +are dead, then I will no longer have any reason to exist. + +In short: even if your deity *does* exist, that doesn't automatically +mean that I would worship it. I am content to live my own life, and +fend for myself, so when I die, I can be proud of the fact that no +matter where I end up, it will be because of *my* actions and *my* choices. + +If your god decides to toss me into a flaming pit for this, then so be +it. I would much rather just cease to exist. But if your god wants +my respect and my obedience, then it had better earn these; and if it +does, then they will be very strong and true. + +>Jesus gives more reasons in John 16:7. But one obvious reason +>why Jesus died, (and as with everything else, it has nothing do with +>his punishment) was that he could rise to life again--so that +>we would ""stop doubting and believe"" (John 21:27). The fact +>that Jesus rose from the dead is my hope that I too will rise +>from the dead. It is an obvious point. Do not overlook it. +>Without this obvious point, I would have no hope +>and my faith would be vanity. + +Jesus wasn't the only one who rose from the dead -- I think it was +Osiris who did the same, as well as a few characters from Greek or +Norse legend, if memory serves. + +But still: WHY would I want to rise from the dead? Why do *you* want to? + +>Why did Jesus suffer in his death? Again, ask Jesus. Jesus +>says why in John 15:18-25. That's no mystery either. ""The +>world hates him without reason."" It is a direct proclamation +>of how far we humans botch things up and thus, how much we +>need a Saviour. + +If your god wants to win my devotion, then it knows what it can do -- +provide some way for me to believe without having to resort to blind +faith that could be applied equally well to any religion. + +>And why can't you, Brian K., accept this? How can you? ""The +>world cannot accept him because it neither sees him nor knows +>him."" (John 14:17). + +That's precisely it. I neither see nor know Zeus either, nor Odin. +Shall I offer them the same devotion I offer Jesus? + +>The animosity and the lack of knowledge +>that comes out in your twistings of Robert's daily verses is +>very convincing testimony of the truth of John 14:17 and 16:25. + +You've got to understand my point-of-view: I see Christians spouting +Bible verse all the time as if it were some sort of magic spell that +will level all opposition. Truth is, it's not. Robert has never +demonstrated that he actually understands what the verses imply; he +just rattles them off day by day. Some brazenly fly in the face of +common sense and reality, and I point these out where I can. + +But even more than that, even when Christians *do* try to explain the +verses in their own words, they do so from a Christian point of view, +which is that every human being would want to be a Christian if only +he or she understood the Christian message properly, and then all +strife and suffering on the earth would end. Here's the problem with +that: substitute ""Moslem"" or ""Buddhist"" or ""Satanist"" instead of +""Christian"", and it means the same thing. + +Christanity is a very nice belief set around a very nice book. But if +you want to make me believe that it has any bearing on the REAL WORLD, +you've got some convincing to do. + +>I pray and hope that I do blurt out such animosity and lack of +>knowledge. I am not perfect either. But regardless of that, I thank +>God that Jesus revealed himself to me, without whom I'd also be +>bumbling about blindly though arrogantly slandering the very +>Person who created me and who loves me. + +And in my opinion, you're bumbling about blindly making up entities +where there aren't any, and depriving yourself of a true understanding +and enjoyment of your life. As long as you keep your beliefs to +yourself, I'll keep my beliefs to myself -- but as soon as you start +waving them around, expect me to toss in my opinions, too. +-- +_/_/_/ Brian Kendig Je ne suis fait comme aucun +/_/_/ bskendig@netcom.com de ceux que j'ai vus; j'ose croire +_/_/ n'etre fait comme aucun de ceux qui existent. + / The meaning of life Si je ne vaux pas mieux, au moins je suis autre. + / is that it ends. -- Rousseau +";19;True +"From: Alexander Samuel McDiarmid +Subject: Re: HELP INSTALL RAM ON CENTRIS 610 +Organization: Sophomore, Mechanical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA +Lines: 22 +NNTP-Posting-Host: andrew.cmu.edu +In-Reply-To: + +Excerpts from netnews.comp.sys.mac.misc: 5-Apr-93 Re: HELP INSTALL RAM +ON CEN.. by Jason Harvey Titus@farad +> From: jht9e@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Jason Harvey Titus) +> Subject: Re: HELP INSTALL RAM ON CENTRIS 610 +> Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1993 20:05:51 GMT +> +> I had asked everyone about problems installing a 4 meg +> simm and an 8 meg simm in my Centris 610, but the folks at the +> local Apple store called the folks in Cupertino and found that +> you can't have simms of different speeds in one machine, even +> if they are both fast enough - ie - My 80 ns 8 meg and 60ns 4 +> meg simms were incompatibable... Just thought people might +> want to know..... +> Jason. + + + +oh boy am i confused, I thought the entire point of the 72 pin simms was +that you could use diffrent size simms so you could avoid having to use +sets. all horror stories not withstanding. + + -A. +";0;True +"From: dwarner@journalism.indiana.edu (David J.) +Subject: Re: Yankee Bullpen - HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!! +Nntp-Posting-Host: clove.journalism.indiana.edu +Reply-To: dwarner@journalism.indiana.edu +Organization: Indiana University +Lines: 15 + +Alan Sepinwall writes +> [Bullpen Blues deleted] +> +> What's Buck gonna do? And what's George gonna do if this continues to happen? +> +> -Alan + +George will do the only logical thing he can do when the Yanks' bullpen isn't +performing -- fire the manager. + +-- +David J.(dwarner@journalism.indiana.edu)*****Blue Riddle Productions 1993 +*-------------------------------It's on.--------------------------------* +***""THE RAP IS AN ART EP"" is coming out on tape -- this time for real.*** +*------------------------E-mail me for the 411.-------------------------* +";14;True +"From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) +Subject: Re: Possible Canadian WC Team? +Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu +Reply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) +Organization: PhDs In The Hall +Lines: 17 + +nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes: +> +>CENTERS +>Mark Messier, N. Y. Rangers + +Messier was not invited due to his nagging injuries. While the press +made an issue of it, and attempted to link it to the Rangers' internal +political woes, Mike Keenan repeated that to Messier personally during +the MSG press conference. It makes sense ... Messier would probably +have not declined the invitation if it were made for publicity ... + +gld +-- +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ +Gary L. Dare +> gld@columbia.EDU GO Winnipeg Jets GO!!! +> gld@cunixc.BITNET Selanne + Domi ==> Stanley +";13;True +"From: S901924@mailserv.cuhk.hk +Subject: Re: Gravity waves, was: Predicting gravity wave quantization & Cosmic Noise +Summary: Dong .... Dong .... Do I hear the death-knell of relativity? +Keywords: space, curvature, nothing, tesla +Nntp-Posting-Host: wksb14.csc.cuhk.hk +Organization: Computer Services Centre, C.U.H.K. +Distribution: World +Lines: 36 + +In article et@teal.csn.org (Eric H. Taylor) writes: +>From: et@teal.csn.org (Eric H. Taylor) +>Subject: Re: Gravity waves, was: Predicting gravity wave quantization & Cosmic Noise +>Summary: Dong .... Dong .... Do I hear the death-knell of relativity? +>Keywords: space, curvature, nothing, tesla +>Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1993 20:18:04 GMT +>In article metares@well.sf.ca.us (Tom Van Flandern) writes: +>>crb7q@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Cameron Randale Bass) writes: +>>> Bruce.Scott@launchpad.unc.edu (Bruce Scott) writes: +>>>> ""Existence"" is undefined unless it is synonymous with ""observable"" in +>>>> physics. +>>> [crb] Dong .... Dong .... Dong .... Do I hear the death-knell of +>>> string theory? +>> +>> I agree. You can add ""dark matter"" and quarks and a lot of other +>>unobservable, purely theoretical constructs in physics to that list, +>>including the omni-present ""black holes."" +>> +>> Will Bruce argue that their existence can be inferred from theory +>>alone? Then what about my original criticism, when I said ""Curvature +>>can only exist relative to something non-curved""? Bruce replied: +>>""'Existence' is undefined unless it is synonymous with 'observable' in +>>physics. We cannot observe more than the four dimensions we know about."" +>>At the moment I don't see a way to defend that statement and the +>>existence of these unobservable phenomena simultaneously. -|Tom|- +> +>""I hold that space cannot be curved, for the simple reason that it can have +>no properties."" +>""Of properties we can only speak when dealing with matter filling the +>space. To say that in the presence of large bodies space becomes curved, +>is equivalent to stating that something can act upon nothing. I, +>for one, refuse to subscribe to such a view."" - Nikola Tesla +> +>---- +> ET ""Tesla was 100 years ahead of his time. Perhaps now his time comes."" +>---- +";2;True +"From: vigil@esca.com (Sandra Vigil) +Subject: Re: Hispanic All-Star team +Organization: ESCA Corporation, Bellevue WA +Lines: 49 + +icop@csa.bu.edu (Antonio Pera) writes: + + +> Hispanic magazine(April 1993) had a couple of interesting articles about +>Hispanic players including its Hispanic All-Star team. +>Some of the major points are: + + NPR's Morning Edition aired a report this morning (4/19) on + Hispanic/Latin American players in MLB and how they have many of + the same problems faced by black/negro/African American players + when they first entered the league. However, although baseball + has adjusted to the presence of black players, many Hispanic + players still labor under the stereotype of being ""fireballs, + hot blooded, flashy"". The report also emphasised that despite + the rantings (my word) of Jessie Jackson about baseballs + discrimination against black players in its upper echelons, + baseball has actually done much better by black players than + Hispanic players. + + Another interesting point was the language barrier problem. The + reporter elaborated on an interview with Ruben Sierra which he + gave in Spanish to a Spanish speaking newspaper reporter with + the fact that there are maybe 2 major baseball writers that + speak Spanish, despite the fact that Spanish is one of (if not + the) easiest languages to learn, so easy that the author Cormac + McCarthy learned Spanish at age 50 in order to research his + book, _All The Pretty Horses_. Yet, few MLB organizations + employ Spanish speaking personel, one of the exceptions being + the Oakland A's. + + Another point: + + Nearly 90% of Latin American players have some African blood. + Yet, most report that they'd never really felt black until + playing ball in the US. + + + Ironically enough, it is the early presence of Latin American + baseball players in the Major Leagues that support the idea that + baseball was integrated before the arrival of Jackie Robinson, + as many ""light black"" or ""brown"", Latin Americans were + incorporated into baseball. + + /S +-- +""I did not know the cure for the disease ------------------- + of images, but I believed in the healing | Sandra Vigil | + power of words and stories."" | vigil@esca.com | + - Until the End of the World ------------------- +";14;True +"From: Rob Earhart +Subject: Re: Mix GL with X (Xlib,Xt,mwm) +Organization: Pittsburgh Supercomputing Center +Lines: 15 +NNTP-Posting-Host: po3.andrew.cmu.edu +In-Reply-To: <9304191540.AA09727@sparc1.jade.com> + + Yes, it's possible... in fact, there's some gl widget code in +/usr/lpp/GL somewhere... (it's named Glib.c; my IBM's down right now +though, so I can't find the exact location :) + + WARNING: this code feels quite bogus. It does things like calling +noport() before winopen(), and then extracting an X window id from it +anyway. It worked just fine under aix 3.1; I spent last weekend trying +to port it to 3.2 (gl under 3.2 doesn't seem to like it), and it's +turning into a Hard Job. + + Check out your ""info"" pages; it has some pretty good documentation on +whan you can and can't do when mixing gl and X, and how to go about +doing so. + + )Rob +";12;True +"From: kjetilk@stud.cs.uit.no (Kjetil Kolin) +Subject: Protected Mode ? +Organization: University of Tromsoe +Lines: 6 + +Is there anybody who has (or can point me in the right direction) any +information about protected mode? Also interested in protected mode viewed from +a OS point of view. + + Thanks in advance + Kjetil Kolin +";5;True +"From: rdippold@qualcomm.com (Ron ""Asbestos"" Dippold) +Subject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption +Originator: rdippold@qualcom.qualcomm.com +Nntp-Posting-Host: qualcom.qualcomm.com +Organization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA +Distribution: na +Lines: 12 + +ted@nmsu.edu (Ted Dunning) writes: +>nobody seems to have noticed that the clipper chip *must* have been +>under development for considerably longer than the 3 months that +>clinton has been president. this is not something that choosing +>choosing bush over clinton would have changed in the slightest; it has +>been in the works for some time. + +I've got no doubts that this would probably have gone ahead if Bush +was still president. What's puzzling to me are the people who are +apparently amazed that Clinton is going along with it. +-- +Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you like the play? +";16;True +"From: david@ods.com (David Engel) +Subject: Re: Wanted: Opinions on MAG 17S and NANAO 560i monitor +Organization: Optical Data Systems, Inc. +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] +Distribution: usa +Lines: 17 + +sleeping_dragon (ong_mang@iastate.edu) wrote: +: I'm looking to buy a 17"" monitor soon, and it seems that I can't decide what +: monitor I should buy. I have a MAG 17S (this is a .25 dpi version and it using +: a TRINITON tube) and a NANAO 560i in mind. + +Good luck finding an MX17S. When I was looking around back in +December/January, Mag wasn't producing any because they couldn't get +tubes from Sony. I asked when they expected to restart production as +I was willing to wait a few months to get an MX17S but they said not +any time soon. I wound up getting a T560i and am extremely happy with +it. + +David +-- +David Engel Optical Data Systems, Inc. +david@ods.com 1101 E. Arapaho Road +(214) 234-6400 Richardson, TX 75081 +";5;True +"From: warlord@MIT.EDU (Derek Atkins) +Subject: Re: Screw the people, crypto is for hard-core hackers & spooks only +Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology +Lines: 42 +NNTP-Posting-Host: deathtongue.mit.edu +In-reply-to: jhart@agora.rain.com's message of Tue, 20 Apr 1993 06:39:11 GMT + +-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- + +> Why do we hackers care about the Clipper chip? Do we give a shit +> about anybody's privacy accept our own? And perhaps not even our +> own; are we so smart that we always know when we're talking to +> somebody who has a wiretap on their phone? + +I find this a very disturbing view! Yes, we DO care about EVERYONE's +privacy... Even if ""they"" don't know it. What happens if the gov't +starts creating legislation such that the Clipper and such +technologies become the only ""legal"" encryption forms? What happens +when the Clipper is the *ONLY* type of encryption chips available to +the masses? + +Sure, you might have your own method of encryption, but if you don't +have anyone else to talk to, what use is it? You can't assume that +EVERYONE will be as open as you appear to be about encryption. + +The point here is not the specific instance of the Wiretap Chip. +Rather, it is like having the government telling you that they want a +copy of your house key, safe-deposit box keys, etc., and telling you +that ""they wont use them unless its totally neccessary."" I sure +wouldn't want that. Why should encryption be any different? + +- -derek + +PGP 2 key available upon request on the key-server: + pgp-public-keys@toxicwaste.mit.edu + +-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- +Version: 2.2 + +iQBuAgUBK9RxVjh0K1zBsGrxAQHd8ALEDi3Ear7rEmr1UHuxqv2YIblH6px6VXnb ++sJLcUGzZxTCfxbRqIf7msLp98p0EvYYnLZbbORyVhfSzyyHYHeQqQILHEK3LPQE +aP29+od6YZrCCHarNRS024E= +=Ftek +-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- +-- + Derek Atkins, MIT '93, Electrical Engineering and Computer Science + Secretary, MIT Student Information Processing Board (SIPB) + MIT Media Laboratory, Speech Research Group + warlord@MIT.EDU PP-ASEL N1NWH +";16;True +"From: as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Tree of Schnopia) +Subject: Re: New Study Out On Gay Percentage +Organization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York +Lines: 35 +Nntp-Posting-Host: uhura.cc.rochester.edu + +In kaldis@romulus.rutgers.edu (Theodore A. Kaldis) writes: + + +>> 1) So what? + +>So this bolsters the contention that many homosexuals are liars. + +This statement is just so blatantly disgusting and free of any implicit +neural activity that I will almost completely ignore it. + + +>> -- +>> ------ Join the Pythagorean Reform Church! . +>> \ / Repent of your evil irrational numbers . . +>> \ / and bean eating ways. Accept 10 into your heart! . . . +> ^^^^^^^^^^^ +>> \/ Call the Pythagorean Reform Church BBS at 508-793-9568 . . . . + +>The above smacks of antiHispanic bigotry. + +Sigh. It's so amusing to watch bigots point fingers at what they imagine to +be other bigots. I do believe this person meant ""bean *counting*"". And are +you trying to suggest that only Hispanics eat beans? Or that they even have +a monopoly on eating beans? Or that this person is seriously promoting what +is obviously a tongue-in-cheek .sig? + +You must have a brain somewhere, if you can cause your fingers to type. Use +it. + +Drywid +-- +----bi Andrew D. Simchik SCHNOPIA! +\ ---- as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu TreeWater + \\ / + \/ ""Words Weren't Made For Cowards""--Happy Rhodes +";18;True +"From: bevans@carina.unm.edu (Mathemagician) +Subject: Re: Alt.Atheism FAQ: Introduction to Atheism +Organization: Society for the Preservation of E. coli +Lines: 12 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: carina.unm.edu +Keywords: FAQ, atheism + +I have an addition to the FAQ regarding ""why are there no atheist +hospitals."" + +If I recall correctly, Johns Hopkins was built to provide medical +services without the ""backing"" of a religious group...thus making it a +hospital ""dedicated to the glory of [weak] atheism."" + +Might someone check up on this? + +-- +Brian Evans | ""Bad mood, bad mood...Sure I'm in a bad mood! +bevans@carina.unm.edu | I haven't had sex...*EVER!*"" -- Virgin Mary +";9;True +"From: doyle+@pitt.edu (Howard R Doyle) +Subject: Re: Broken rib +Keywords: advice needed +Organization: Pittsburgh Transplant Institute +Lines: 28 + +In article jc@oneb.almanac.bc.ca writes: +> + +>fell about 3 weeks ago down into the hold of the boat and broke or +>cracked a rib and wrenched and bruised my back and left arm. +> My question, I have been to a doctor and was told that it was +>best to do nothing and it would heal up with no long term effect, and +>indeed I am about 60 % better, however, the work I do is very +>hard and I am still not able to go back to work. The thing that worries me +>is the movement or ""clunking"" I feel and hear back there when I move +>certain ways... I heard some one talking about the rib they broke +>years ago and that it still bothers them.. any opinions? + + + +Your doctor is right. It is best to do nothing, besides taking some pain +medication initially. Some patients don't like this and expect, or demand, +to have something done. In these cases some physicians will ""tape"" the +patient (put a lot of heavy adhesive tape around the chest), or prescribe +an elastic binder. All this does is make it harder to breath, but the +patient doesn't feel cheated, because soemthing is being done about the +problem. Either way, the end results are the same. + +================================== + +Howard Doyle +doyle+@pitt.edu + +";4;True +"Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian M +From: NUNNALLY@acs.harding.edu (John Nunnally) + <1qkoel$5fr@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de> <1qksc2$2mr@fido.asd.sgi.com> +Distribution: world +Organization: Harding University, Searcy, AR +Nntp-Posting-Host: acs.harding.edu +X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24In-Reply-To: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com's message of 15 Apr 93 23:50:26 GMTLines: 67 +Lines: 67 + +In <1qksc2$2mr@fido.asd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com writes: + +> In article <1qkoel$5fr@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de>, frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes: +> |> +> |> Good question, my point was that a world with truth is better than a world +> |> with falsehood. A world in which it were possible to say ""yes, I am +> |> holding a Jew"" (the truth) and you, me, the Jew, and the SS guy all sit +> |> down to crack open a bottle of whiskey is better than the grim alternatives +> |> you present. Obviously, this is not possible, and the best alternative seems +> |> to be to lie. That's because other values are involved, such as life. +> |> Now that IS just my opinion - don't confuse the claim 'objective morality +> |> exists' with the claim 'I have a lock on morals'. +> +> I think that at this point it would actually be quite easy to +> confuse objective morality with relative morality. +> +> jon. +Actually, jon, that is quite true. Christian people have caused +""objective morality"" to look very ""relative."" After all, that was the +point of the original question in this thread, i.e. can we toss out +Christianity because it is so obviously inconsistent with its own +principles? If you will bear with me, I will attempt to explain this +apparent inconsistency from at least one Christian's viewpoint: + +If God exists and is the creator of mankind as the Bible claims, then +He has a pretty well-defined concept of what makes people tick +physically, emotionally, etc. GOD has an ""objective"" morality for us. +That is to say, He has no trouble understanding what is good for (or +detrimental to) the creature He created. + + Galatians 2:10-- For we [mankind] are His workmanship, created in + Christ Jesus for good works [a morality], which God prepared + beforehand [a well-defined design], that we might walk in them. + +However, contrary to what many people assume (including the Pharasees +of the Bible,) God's morality cannot be completely codified in a list +of rules and regulations. To some extent, every activity of a +person's life creates a new situation to which morality must be +applied. There never could be enough volumes to codify God's +""objective"" morality for us. + +Throughout history, mankind has tried to reduce morality to a list of +rules (objectivity, if you please.) In the Old Testament, we have +both principles and specific rules. By the time of Jesus, most of the +principles were obscured by the emphasis men had placed on the rules. +Volumes of additional rules had been made to try to codify the +application of the principles. We [mankind] weren't comfortable with +the ""subjectivity"" of principles. + + For reference see Matthew 5 where Jesus explains the difference + between the Law and the principles of the Law. For example, in + verses 21-22: ""You have heard that the ancients were told, + 'You shall not commit murder'...and 'Whoever commits murder shall + be liable to the court.' But I say to you that everyone who is + angry with his brother shall be liable to the court..."" + +The ""objective morality"" of God gets blurred by our inept +interpretation of it. We [Christians] have made our biggest errors +when we have allowed any one person or group of people decide EXACTLY +what God intended for us. If we [Christians] would stay committed to +seeking God's will instead of trying to prove we already had it all +figured out, we might do a better job of allowing others to find God's +""objective morality"" for themselves. If Jesus is who he said he +was/is (and that's the fundamental question,) then HE IS ""objective +morality."" + +John Nunnally +";19;True +"From: andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman) +Subject: Re: Newspapers censoring gun advertisements +Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University. +Lines: 48 + +>NEWSPAPER AD CENSORSHIP +> +>The newspapers have now decided to censor gun ads - which is why you no longer +>see the ads that Traders, San Leandro, has run for many years. +> +>If you are tired of newspapers who run sex and liquor ads galor, yet refuse to +>run legitimate gun ads, please send a letter to the editors indicating your +>displeasure over their censorship doctrine. +> +>Following is a list of Bay area newspapers who censor gun ads. Perhaps you'd +>like to send them your thoughts on this issue! +> +>Contra Costa Times San Mateo Times San Francisco Chronicle +>POB 5088 POB 5400 901 Mission St. +>Walnut Creek, CA 94596 San Mateo, CA 94402 San Francisco, CA 94103 +> +>San Fran. Independent San Fran. Examiner San Jose Mercury News +>1201 Evans Ave 110 5th St. 750 Ridder Park Dr. +>San Fran., CA 94124 San Fran., CA 94103 San Jose, CA 95190 + +I have the April 15, 1993 issue of the SF Chronicle in my lap. Page +E7 (in the ""Sporting Green"" section) has a Trader's advert. (The +copy is a bit screwed up - it says that the prices offered expire +4-14-93, but the ad is there.) + +The SF Examiner and Chronicle run the same set of adverts (because +they have a joint printing/biz agreement and differ only in editorial +content). + +I've seen gun ads recently in the merc, which is anti-gun editorially, +albeit not from traders, but from its competitors. + +I don't know about the other papers. + +Does Traders claim that things are changing? When? + +>- Why TV journalists lie + +Because it's easier than telling the truth and no one much cares +either way. + +>Let me know if you write to any of these bozos. + +Before you do, make sure that the bozos are actually doing what +you're accusing them of. + +-andy +-- +";3;True +"From: margoli@watson.ibm.com (Larry Margolis) +Subject: Re: Abortion +News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.17i by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers +Lines: 22 +Reply-To: margoli@watson.IBM.com (Larry Margolis) +Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM. +Nntp-Posting-Host: netslip63.watson.ibm.com +Organization: The Village Waterbed + +In <18275.459.uupcb@ozonehole.com> anthony.landreneau@ozonehole.com (Anthony Landreneau) writes: +>To: margoli@watson.ibm.com (Larry Margolis) +>From: anthony.landreneau@ozonehole.com +> +>LM>> >>The rape has passed, there is nothing that will ever take that away. +>LM>> +>LM>>LM>True. But forcing her to remain pregnant continues the violation of +>LM>>LM>her body for another 9 months. I see this as being unbelievably cruel. +>LM>> +>LM>>Life is not a ""violation"". +> +>LM>But forcing someone to harbor that life in their body *is* a violation. +> +>Letting a mother force a child from her body, in order to end that +>childs life is the ultimate violation. + +I happen to take the violation of a person much more seriously than the +""violation"" of a mindless clump of cells smaller than my thumb. + +Your mileage may vary. +-- +Larry Margolis, MARGOLI@YKTVMV (Bitnet), margoli@watson.IBM.com (Internet) +";19;True +"From: jason@ab20.larc.nasa.gov (Jason Austin) +Subject: Re: Temper tantrums from the 1960's +Organization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA +Lines: 45 +Distribution: usa + <1993Apr5.193616.14521@cbnewsi.cb.att.com> +Reply-To: Jason C. Austin +NNTP-Posting-Host: ab20.larc.nasa.gov +In-reply-to: phil@netcom.com's message of Tue, 6 Apr 1993 00:24:14 GMT + +In article phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) writes: +-> In article <1993Apr5.193616.14521@cbnewsi.cb.att.com> gadfly@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (Gadfly) writes: +-> >Now let me get this straight. After a nice, long rant about +-> >how people need to take personal responsibility for their +-> >economic and social lives, all of a sudden 1960's radicals +-> >(such as me, I guess) are responsible for poor people's +-> >lifestyles? Tell me how that works--or do you think that poor +-> >people are just too dumb to think for themselves? +-> > +-> >There are many reasons for the disintegration of the family +-> >and support systems in general among this nation's poor. +-> >Somehow I don't think Murphy Brown--or Janis Joplin--is at +-> >the top of any sane person's list. +-> > +-> >You want to go after my generation's vaunted cultural +-> >revolution for a lasting change for the worse, try so-called +-> >""relevant"" or ""values"" education. Hey, it seemed like a good +-> >idea at the time. How were we to know you needed a real +-> >education first--I mean, we took that for granted. +-> +-> The 1960's generation were the most spoiled and irresponsible. +-> +-> The Depression had create mothers and fathers that were determined that their +-> kids would not want for anything -- going overboard and creating a nation of +-> brats. +-> +-> Consider the contrast between two famous events in July of 1969. +-> +-> Apollo 11 and Woodstock. +-> +-> Which group had large numbers of people that could not feed themselves and +-> reverted to the cultural level of primitives (defecation in public etc.). +-> +-> And which group assembled, took care of itself, and dispersed with no damage, +-> no deaths, no large numbers of drug problems .... +-> + + Wasn't Woodstock also called the biggest parking lot in +history? They rejected society and went back to nature in their +parent's cars. +-- +Jason C. Austin +j.c.austin@larc.nasa.gov + + +";18;True +"From: willisw@willisw.ENG.CLEMSON.edu (Bill Willis) +Subject: Re: Mysterious MOSFET +Organization: Engineering Services, Clemson University +Lines: 23 + +In article <1qug3sINN90g@rave.larc.nasa.gov> kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov (Scott Dorsey) writes: + +>I have a MOSFET pulled out of a Trygon power supply, for which I have no +>manual. It's a Motorola part with a 1972 date code and the number + +> 285-4 + +>which the Motorola folks assure me is a house number, which they can't +>help me with. Any suggestions from folks out there? I can't put it on +>a curve tracer to try to get an equivalent, since it's completely shot. +>--scott +Since your MOSFET is a 1972 vintage, it's probably not a very good one by +today's standards. If you have an idea about its voltage and current +ratings, e.g. 60VDC @ 6A, you can probably get away with replacing it with +anything with better specs. Early MOSFETS had a gate-source voltage rating +of approximately +/- 20 VDCmax, and they would usually turn completely ""ON"" +at +10VDC. Otherwise, MOSFETS are not really mysterious -- they're more or +less voltage controlled current sources. If the MOSFET in your circuit is +used as an open-loop, voltage controlled current source, you may have to +experiment with various gain-altering techniques. + +Bill Willis willisw@coe-nw.clemson.edu +(803) 656-5550 +";11;True +"From: wefiii@axion.UUCP (Warren E. Fridy III) +Subject: Re: Program manager ** two questions +Reply-To: wefiii%axion@palan.palantir.com +Organization: Private +Lines: 17 + +In <1993Apr22.204406.20330@vpnet.chi.il.us> lisbon@vpnet.chi.il.us (Gerry Swetsky) writes: + +>(2) Can you set up a short-cut key to return to the Program Manager? +> I know , will do it, but I'd rather set it up so I +> can avoid the task list and get back to the P/M with . + +You might try the recorder and make a micro. I done that to do certain operations +in a windows app that didn't have the ability to use a micro. It should be in the +Accessories window. The only problem is that it has to be runing for it to work. +But, Good Luck. + + +-- +--Warren E. Fridy III + 250 61st. Street North | + St. Petersburg, FL 33710 | internet: wefiii%axion@palan.palantir.com + (813)384-0584 | UUCP: ...palan!deep6!axion!wefiii +";6;True +"From: sehrlich@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Scott R. Ehrlich) +Subject: Help find Stolen Car +Organization: Northeastern University, Boston, MA. 02115, USA +Distribution: usa +Lines: 25 + + +I offered to relay this information for a ham friend of mine without +Internet access: + +His name is Robert (Bob) Wondolowski, N1KDA, and his car was a +1985 Brown Cutlas Sierra Sedan, Massachusetts plate 716ADL. + +His HT (Yaesu FT415) and mobile antenna were also included in the car. +It was stolen from Lynn, Mass. about 10 days ago (being on April 6). + +If anyone has any information about the car's whereabouts, please e-mail +me. + +Thank you for taking the time to read this message. + + +=============================================================================== +| Scott Ehrlich Internet: wy1z@world.std.com | +| Amateur Radio: wy1z Packet Radio: wy1z@k1ugm.ma.usa.na | +=============================================================================== +-- +=============================================================================== +| Scott Ehrlich Internet: wy1z@world.std.com | +| Amateur Radio: wy1z Packet Radio: wy1z@k1ugm.ma.usa.na | +=============================================================================== +";10;True +"From: rsjoyce@eos.ncsu.edu (ROGER STEPHEN JOYCE) +Subject: Mac monitor **WANTED** +Originator: rsjoyce@c00402-346dan.eos.ncsu.edu +Reply-To: rsjoyce@eos.ncsu.edu (ROGER STEPHEN JOYCE) +Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos +Lines: 11 + + +Wanted: color monitor >= 14"" suitable for use on a Macintosh +Centris 610. I am planning on purchasing one of these machines +soon and don't want to have to pay full price for a new monitor +when a used one will do me just as well. If you have one you'd +like to part with, please email me with the specs and price. + +Thanks. + +Roger +rsjoyce@eos.ncsu.edu +";8;True +"From: brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton) +Subject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption +Organization: ClariNet Communications Corp. +Distribution: na +Lines: 37 + +The stragegy of the government is interesting. The real fear comes from +them doing more than this. + +This is a voluntary program, and thus harder for us to object to on +the surface. + +Their strategy is a business one rather than legal one. They are +pushing to get a standard in place, a secret standard, and if they +get it as a standard then they will drive competitors out of the market. +It will be legal to sell better, untapable encryption that doesn't have +registered keys, but it will be difficult, and thus not a plan for +most phone companies. + +You see, with clipper chip phones you'll be able to talk to any +cellular company, or other phones or ports because they will follow +the standard. AT&T has already announced a clipper chip encryption +product. The government has marketed hard to get major vendors to +use these chips. If they get enough market share, they will rule. + +And thus there will be very little market for systems that can't be +tapped by the police. The public isn't that concerned about it now, +after all. They freely do calls that anybody with an old TV can listen +to today! They won't pay big extra bucks for proprietary phones that secure +them only from the police. + +Well, some people will buy these phones, but they will only work with +other proprietary phones, so the market will be small and the phones +expensive. Unless they are made in numbers large enough to sell them +cheap, only the Mob will buy them. + +And this means that the FBI will want to track the customer lists of +better encryption phones, because ""the only reason a person would want +one is to evade the police."" + +Interesting. +-- +Brad Templeton, ClariNet Communications Corp. -- Sunnyvale, CA 408/296-0366 +";16;True +"From: mart@csri.toronto.edu (Mart Molle) +Subject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time +Lines: 36 + +parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) writes: + +>>>My TOP 10 list of dumbest automotive concepts ever +>>> +>>>9. Back-up lights on Corvette - they're on the sides of the car! +>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +>>Sure would be interested to know what year(s) this was! +>>I don't seem to recall ANY car with back-up lights on the sides, much +>>less any Corvette. I suppose I could be mis-interpreting what you are +>>trying to say here..... + +>Just a quick comment. Backup lights mounted on the side +>would actually be *extremely* useful for people backing out of +>parking stalls... + +While I can't think of any Corvettes with side mounted backup lights, +I know that Saab started using them about 15 years ago. My 1975 Saab 99 +didn't have them, but a friend's 1978 Saab 99 certainly did. In addition +to the confentional tail-light mounted backup lights, they had another +set integrated into the front turn signal assembly. For those of you who +don't remember, Saabs of that vintage had an enormous multicoloured plastic +growth, about the size of a _National Geographic_ magazine, sticking out +of the front fender, which incorporated amber ""parking lights"", amber side +marker lights/reflectors, white ""cornering lamps"" (like American luxury +cars) aimed towards the side of the road when you have your turn indicators +on, and white ""backup lights"" aimed towards the back of the car when you +have selected reverse gear. The glossy brochure showed how these front +mounted backup lights were useful for illuminating hazards (pot holes, kid's +toys, etc) that would be run over by the front of the car if you had the +wheels turned while backing up. + +Mart L. Molle +Computer Systems Research Institute +University of Toronto +Toronto, Canada M5S 1A4 +(416)978-4928 +";10;True +"From: tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran) +Subject: Re: .GIF to .BMP +Organization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] +Distribution: usa +Lines: 21 + +Scott Zabolotzky (saz@hook.corp.mot.com) wrote: +: I'm not sure if this is the correct place to ask this question. If not, +: please forgive me and point me in the right direction. + +: Does anybody know of a program that converts .GIF files to .BMP files +: and if so, where can I ftp it from? Any help would be greatly +: appreciated. + +: Please respond via e-mail as I do not read this group very often. + +: Thanks...Scott + +Sorry Scott, if you post it here, you can read it here. There is a shareware +program available via anonymous FTP that will suit your needs. You'll find +it at OAK.OAKLAND.EDU in the subdirectory pub/msdos/graphics. The file is +called ""GRFWK61T.ZIP."" + +TMC. +(tmc@spartan.ac.brocku.ca) + + +";1;True +"From: harpe@netnews.louisville.edu (Mike Harpe) +Subject: WANTED: Protel EasyTrax for the MAC +Organization: University of Louisville +Lines: 12 + +The title says it all. Contact me via EMAIL if you would can help me out... + +Mike Harpe +University of Louisville + +P.S. I KNOW IT IS DISCONTINUED. I want someone who would like to sell + an old copy. +-- +Michael Harpe, Programmer/Analyst Information Technology, Ormsby Bldg. +harpe@hermes.louisville.edu University of Louisville +(502)588-5542 Louisville, Ky. 40292 +""He's not a man, he's a remorseless eating machine!"" - The Simpsons +";11;True +"From: dcoleman@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Daniel M. Coleman) +Subject: Re: pc-junior usable? +Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas +Lines: 20 +NNTP-Posting-Host: flubber.cc.utexas.edu + +In article <1993Apr17.201300.19312@sernews.raleigh.ibm.com> europa@tomcat.raleigh.ibm.com (Welch Bryan) writes: +>My fiance has a pc-junior and wants to upgrade to a full 386. Does anyone +>know if we could use the monitor it came with on a new machine? I heard +>it's MCGA or EGA, but not sure which. Also, does it use cards, so we can +>use the drive controller, floppy, etc? + +The only things you'll be able to salvage from the junior are the floppy drives +and monitor. The floppies are 360k, and the monitor is CGA, but you will need +an adaptor cable to use it. The junior does not use standard cards. Unless +you're really strapped for cash, you should just junk the thing and buy new +stuff. + +Dan + +-- +Daniel Matthew Coleman | Internet: dcoleman@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu +-----------------------------------+---------- : dcoleman@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu +The University of Texas at Austin | DECnet: UTXVMS::DCOLEMAN +Electrical/Computer Engineering | BITNET: DCOLEMAN@UTXVMS [.BITNET] +-----------------------------------+------------------------------------------ +";5;True +"From: dkfox@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (fox darin k) +Subject: FOR SALE: 386 Laptop/80 HD/4m RAM +Summary: FOR SALE: 386 Laptop/80m HD/4m RAM +Keywords: laptop 386 for sale +Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana +Lines: 21 + +*FOR SALE* + +Compudyne 386-25SXL Laptop +80 meg HD +4 meg RAM +3.5"" FD +VGA Monochrome 64 Grey Scale + ++Math Coprocessor! + +Asking $1500, or best offer. Must sell soon. + +**Do not reply to this email address** + +Call Johnny at 312/856-1767 +Email: phd_cz@gsbacd.uchicago.edu + +-- +| Darin K. Fox, B.A. '89, J.D. '92 | Are you master of your | +| Univ. of Ill. Graduate School of | domain? | +| Library and Information Science | - Seinfeld | +";8;True +"From: hinds@cmgm.stanford.edu (Alexander Hinds) +Subject: Sega Genesis + games for sale +Keywords: sega, genesis, games +Organization: Stanford University, California, USA +Lines: 11 + +I have a Sega Genesis (barely used) that IUd like to sell with the following games: + +Sonic the Hedgehog (I) +Revenge of Shinobi +Thunderforce III + +I'm asking $160 OBO. I can best be reached via email, or alternatively, +by phone at: (415) 497-3719. + +Alexander Hinds + +";8;True +"From: mark.whalley@uk.co.gec-mrc (Mark Whalley) +Subject: Windows Backgrounds +Reply-To: mark.whalley@uk.co.gec-mrc (Mark Whalley) +Organization: GEC-Marconi Research Centre, Great Baddow, Essex +Lines: 21 + +Help, I'm bored with the current Windows backgrounds we have here and am +looking for some nifty pictures to use instead. I've seen from previous posts +that many sites exist that store pictures - available through anonymous ftp. +Except that I can't ftp to remote sites from my machine, what I CAN do is use +'ftpmail' - mail a list of commands to a server and receive a mail of files, +and/or data back. +Does anyone know of sites, with Windows compatible pictures, that can be +accessed in such a way??? +If you do would you please post them. +TIA + Mark. + +PS. Maybe this would make a useful FAQ + +|--------------------------------------|--------------------------------------| +| mark.whalley@gec-mrc.co.uk | 'Only in silence the word, | +| Phone +44 245 473331 Exn. 3114 | Only in darkness light, | +| The views expressed here are mine, | Only in dying life, | +| all mine, and nothing whatsoever to | Bright the hawk's flight on the | +| do with GEC-MRC. | empty sky' - Ursula K. Le Guin | +|--------------------------------------|--------------------------------------| +";6;True +"From: bauer@informatik.uni-ulm.de (Christian Bauer) +Subject: Re: MacPlus freezes after ~1 hour use, fails to boot +Nntp-Posting-Host: christian.informatik.uni-ulm.de +Organization: University of Ulm +Lines: 27 + +In article <1osu69INN11r@tamsun.tamu.edu>, mclean@math.tamu.edu (Robert +Mclean) wrote: +> +> My MacPlus is having problems which seem temperature related. After using +> it for a while it freezes. The when I turn off then on, the screen doesn't +> show the disk icon, and then goes dark. I consulted Larry Pina's Book and +> could not find these symptoms. Has anybody else seen such symptoms? +> Suggestions? + +Shure it is temperature dependent, but this does not clean all your +problems. +Based on some exp. I must say that the connections between the power supply +and the Monitor and Main Board are usable to this failure, Ram simms can be +badly connected due to some corrosion and the powersupply can be in the +last +phase (lower Voltage). + +So you can do following if you are used to such technical terms. +1) Clean all mentioned contacts with contact spray +2) readjust the 5 Volt level of your powersupply +3) use a calm fan and think of preventing dust blowinÔ through the floppy! + (a fixed piece of paper can prevent this) +if you don't know how to do it beg a friendly technician! + +Christian Bauer + +bauer@informatik.uni-ulm.de +";0;True +"From: matthew@phantom.gatech.edu (Matthew DeLuca) +Subject: Re: Boom! Whoosh...... +Organization: The Dorsai Grey Captains +Lines: 13 +NNTP-Posting-Host: oit.gatech.edu + +In article <1993Apr21.024423.29182@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> wdwells@nyx.cs.du.edu (David ""Fuzzy"" Wells) writes: + +>I hear that it will supposedly coincide +>with the Atlanta Olympics. + +Even worse, the city of Atlanta has a proposal before it to rent space on this +orbiting billboard. Considering the caliber of people running this city, +there's no telling what we're going to have leering down at us from orbit. +-- +Matthew DeLuca +Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332 +uucp: ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!matthew +Internet: matthew@phantom.gatech.edu +";2;True +"From: tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) +Subject: Re: How many Mutlus can dance on the head of a pin? +Article-I.D.: news.2BC0D53B.20378 +Organization: University of California, Irvine +Lines: 28 +Nntp-Posting-Host: orion.oac.uci.edu + +In article <1993Apr5.211146.3662@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (Joel Furr) writes: +>In article <3456@israel.nysernet.org> warren@nysernet.org writes: +>>In jfurr@polaris.async.vt.edu (Joel Furr) writes: +>>>How many Mutlus can dance on the head of a pin? +>> +>>That reminds me of the Armenian massacre of the Turks. +>> +>>Joel, I took out SCT, are we sure we want to invoke the name of he who +>>greps for Mason Kibo's last name lest he include AFU in his daily +>>rounds? +> +>I dunno, Warren. Just the other day I heard a rumor that ""Serdar Argic"" +>(aka Hasan Mutlu and Ahmed Cosar and ZUMABOT) is not really a Turk at all, +>but in fact is an Armenian who is attempting to make any discussion of the +>massacres in Armenia of Turks so noise-laden as to make serious discussion +>impossible, thereby cloaking the historical record with a tremendous cloud +>of confusion. + + +DIs it possible to track down ""zuma"" and determine who/what/where ""seradr"" is? +If not, why not? I assu\me his/her/its identity is not shielded by policies +similar to those in place at ""anonymous"" services. + +Tim +D +D +D +Very simpl +";15;True +"From: ljbartel@naomi.b23b.ingr.com (Les Bartel) +Subject: Re: Aftermarket air-conditioners +Reply-To: ljbartel@naomi.b23b.ingr.com +Organization: Intergraph Corporation +Lines: 30 + +In article <1qcaueINNmt8@axon.cs.unc.edu> Andrew Brandt writes: +|> I looked into getting a/c installed on my 1987 Honda CRX Si. +|> The unit is $875 plus shipping, installation is like 5 1/2 hours on +|> top of that. This is a hunk of change. +|> +|> Does anyone know *any* place that does aftermarket a/c installation +|> (not with a Honda a/c unit, but some third party unit). +|> +|> I cannot seem to find anyone who can put a third party a/c unit in a +|> Honda. I am in No Carolina, so I would prefer some place nearby, but +|> any references would be handy. +|> +|> Thx, Andy (brandt@cs.unc.edu) + +Sorry I can't help you with your question, but I do have a comment to +make concerning aftermarket A/C units. I have a Frost-King or Frost-Temp +(forget which) aftermarket unit on my Cavalier, and am quite unhappy with +it. The fan is noisy, and doesn't put out much air. I will never have +an aftermarket A/C installed in any of my vehicles again. I just can't +trust the quality and performance after this experience. + + - les + +-- +Les Bartel I'm going to live forever +Intergraph Corporation ... or die trying +Electronics Division +ljbartel@ingr.com +or ljbartel@naomi.b23b.ingr.com +(205) 730-8537 +";10;True +"From: doherty@coolpro.melpar.esys.com (Kevin Doherty) +Subject: Hard Drive Component Costs +Organization: E-Systems, Melpar Division +Lines: 17 + + Does anyone have some information on the relative fraction of the final +cost of each component in an average hard drive? For instance, I'm pretty +sure the heads and the platters are the most expensive parts, with the +assembly costs running a close third. Cost of the electronics is likely +in the noise. + Any hard numbers ($$ or percentage)? Thanks. + + ++=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ +| Kevin Doherty E-Systems/Melpar Division doherty@melpar.esys.com | +| Principal Engineer Falls Church, VA 22046 (703) 560-5000x2659 | ++=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ +-- ++=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ +| Kevin Doherty E-Systems/Melpar Division doherty@melpar.esys.com | +| Principal Engineer Falls Church, VA 22046 (703) 560-5000x2659 | ++=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ +";11;True +"From: cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (OrioleFan@uiuc) +Subject: Re: DAVE KINGMAN FOR THE HALL OF FAME +Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana +Lines: 59 + +(Steve Tomassi) writes: + +> Hi, baseball fans! So what do you say? Don't you think he deserves it? +>I +> +>mean, heck, if Dave Winfield (ho-hum) is seriously being considered for it, +>as + +>is Lee Smith (ha), then why don't we give Dave Kingman a chance? Or Darrell + +>Evans! Yeah, yeah! After the Hall of Fame takes in them, it can take in +>Eddie + +>Murray and Jeff Reardon. + +> Well, in any case, I am sick and tired (mostly sick) of everybody +>giving + +>Hall of Fame consideration to players that are by today's standards, +>marginal. + +>Honestly, Ozzie Smith and Robin Yount don't belong there. They're both + +>shortstops that just hung around for a long time. Big deal. + +> Let's be a little more selective, huh? Stop handing out these honors +>so + +>liberally. Save them for the guys who really deserve it. Face it, if +>something + +>isn't done, there will be little prestige in the Hall of Fame anymore. When + +>certain individuals believe that Steve Garvey or Jack Morris are potential + +>candidates, the absurdity is apparent. Gee, can these guys even compare to + +>the more likely future Hall of Famers like Kirby Puckett or Nolan Ryan? + + +> +>Q Steve + + What's the difference between Nolan Ryan and Yount? Both have hung +around for years, and continue to post great stats. Why shouldn't Dave Kingman +get into the Hall? Or Murray, Evens, Reardon, and others? What the hell do +you have to do? Ask an opposing pitcher whether he thinks that Winfield should +be in the hall... God. Pretty soon you'll be saying that Cal Ripken doesn't +deserve to be in the Hall. Then, I'll flame you. :-) + + + + + +-- +Chintan Amin mail: llama@uiuc.edu +******************************Neil Peart, (c)1981***************************** +*""Quick to judge, Quick to Anger, Slow to understand, Ignorance and Prejudice* +*And********Fear********Walk********************Hand*********in*********Hand""* +";14;True +"From: tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) +Subject: Re: ""Conventional Proposales"": Israel & Palestinians +Nntp-Posting-Host: orion.oac.uci.edu +Organization: University of California, Irvine +Lines: 37 + +In article <2BCE6222.24844@news.service.uci.edu> tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) writes: +>In article <2BCA3DC0.13224@news.service.uci.edu> tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) writes: +>> +>>The latest Israeli ""proposal"", first proposed in February of 1992, contains +>>the following assumptions concerning the nature of any ""interim status"" refering to the WB and Gaza, the Palestinians, implemented by negotiations. It +>>states that: +>> >Israel will remain the existing source of authority until ""final status"" +>> is agreed upon; +>> >The exercise of powers under the ISGA will be subject to cooperation and +>> coordination with Israel. +>> >Israel will negotiate delegation of powers and responsibilities in the +>> areas of administration, justice, personnel, agriculture, education, +>> business, tourism, labor and social welfare, local police, +>> local transportation and communications, municipal affairs and religious +>> affairs. +>> +>>The Palestinian counterproposal of March 1992: +>> >There will be no limitations on its (PISGA) powers and responsibilities +>> ""except those which derive from its character as an interim arrangement""; +>> >It will have a strong police force responsible for security and public +>> order in the OPT; +>> >It can request the assistance of a UN peacekeeping force; +>> >Disputes with Israel over self-governing arrangements will be settled by +>> a committee composed of representatives of the five permanent members of +>> the UN Security Council, the Secretary General (of the UN), the PISGA, +>> Jordan, Egypt, Syria and Israel. +>> +I have read that there will be some concrete proposals concerning creation +of a ""palestinian police force"" during the talk's next stage. Does anyone +knows of the details of this idea? How does it ""fit"" with the differing +conceptions listed above? + +-- +Tim Clock Ph.D./Graduate student +UCI tel#: 714,8565361 Department of Politics and Society + fax#: 714,8568441 University of California - Irvine +Home tel#: 714,8563446 Irvine, CA 92717 +";15;True +"From: dbryant@leconte.Eng.Sun.COM (David Bryant) +Subject: Re: GUI toolkit for the Sun Sparc. +Reply-To: dbryant@leconte.Eng.Sun.COM +Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. +Lines: 21 +NNTP-Posting-Host: leconte + +In article C4M@cuug.ab.ca, winsorr@sun (Robin Winsor 233-4670) writes: + +>You are right to be going Motif rather than OpenLook. Sun has just recently +>seen the light and dumped their commitment to OpenLook. In the announcement +>they stated they have no future plans for DevGuide. + +This is incorrect. Sun has made no such claim regarding Devguide, and as +manager of the Devguide engineering group I can state with authority that +work on Devguide is continuing apace. We had quite a strong show of interest +from the Devguide user community at last week's Solaris Developer's Conference. +Devguide is being advocated not only as a valuable future builder tool, but +as an important bit of transition technology that will help sustain current +customers and facilitate their migration to the COSE Desktop Environment. + +If you have specific questions about Devguide availability, etc., you can +contact Tali Aben, our Devguide Product Marketing person, at (415) 336-3536. + + David Bryant + Devguide Manager + SunSoft + +";12;True +"From: adams@bellini.berkeley.edu (Adam L. Schwartz) +Subject: Danny Rubenstein speaking tonight. +Nntp-Posting-Host: bellini.berkeley.edu +Organization: U.C. Berkeley -- ERL +Lines: 7 + + +Danny Rubenstein, an Israeli journalist, will be speaking tonight +(Wednesday, 7:30 pm) on the messy subject of politics in Israel. +He is speaking at Hillel on the U.C. Berkeley campus. + +-Adam Schwartz +adams@robotics.berkeley.edu +";15;True +"From: dlb5404@tamuts.tamu.edu (Daryl Biberdorf) +Subject: Latest on Texas HB 1776 (CCW) +Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station +Lines: 9 +NNTP-Posting-Host: tamuts.tamu.edu + + +I called the Texas bill tracking people (800/253-9693) again today +regarding HB 1776 -- Concealed Carry. Well, it was supposed to come +up for a vote this past Wednesday, but the bill got sent back to +the Public Safety Committee. The PSC gave it a favorable rating +AGAIN, and the bill must now be scheduled for debate by +the Calendars Committee AGAIN. + Daryl Biberdorf N5GJM d-biberdorf@tamu.edu + + Sola Gratia + Sola Fide + Sola Scriptura +";3;True +"From: moroney@world.std.com (Michael Moroney) +Subject: Re: Vulcan? (No, not the guy with the ears!) +Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA +Lines: 21 + +victor@inqmind.bison.mb.ca (Victor Laking) writes: + +>Does anyone have any info on the apparent sightings of Vulcan? +> +>All that I know is that there were apparently two sightings at +>drastically different times of a small planet that was inside Mercury's +>orbit. Beyond that, I have no other info. + +>Does anyone know anything more specific? + +>(Yes, this happened LONG before Star Trek and is apparently where they +>got the reference for the ""guy with the ears"".) + +Yes, long before Star Trek. Before Einstein, in fact. + +Vulcan as a planet inside Mercury was hypothesized to explain a perturbation +of Mercury's orbit that could not be explained by the known planets. But +Einstein's theory of relativity explained Mercury's motion, and analysis +of Mercury's motion now shows there are _not_ any planets inside its orbit. + +-Mike +";2;True +"From: ab4z@Virginia.EDU (""Andi Beyer"") +Subject: Re: Israel's Expansion II +Organization: University of Virginia +Lines: 23 + +bc744@cleveland.Freenet.Edu writes: +> +> The comparison of the Palestinian situation with the Holocaust +> is insulting and completely false. Any person making such a rude +> and false comparison is either ignorant of the Holocaust, or also +> ignorant of the situation in the mideast, or is an anti-semite. +> +> To compare a complicated political situation with the genocide +> of 6,000,000 Jews is racist in and of itself. +> +First of all I never said the Holocaust. I said before the +Holocaust. I'm not ignorant of the Holocaust and know more +about Nazi Germany than most people (maybe including you). + What I resent is ignorant statements that call people +names when they disagree with your position. Opposing the +atrocities commited by the Israeli governement hardly qualifies +as anti-semitism. If you think name calling is a valid form of +argument in intellectual circles, you need to get out more +often. + I don't think the suffering of some Jews during WWII +justifies the crimes commited by the Israeli government. Any +attempt to call Civil liberterians like myself anti-semetic is +not appreciated. +";15;True +"From: kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Keith Keller) +Subject: Re: My Predictions For 1993 +Article-I.D.: netnews.118466 +Organization: University of Pennsylvania, School of Arts and Sciences +Lines: 17 +Nntp-Posting-Host: mail.sas.upenn.edu + +In article <1993Apr5.183304.29191@oswego.Oswego.EDU> iacs3650@oswego.Oswego.EDU (Kevin Mundstock) writes: +>Since everyone else seems to be running wild with predictions, I've +>decided to add my own fuel to the fire: +>They might seem a bit normal, but there are a few (albeit, small) surprises. + +>AL Manager of the Year-Buck Showalter + +What makes you think Buck will still be in New York at year's end with +George back? :-) + +-- + Keith Keller LET'S GO RANGERS!!!!! + LET'S GO QUAKERS!!!!! + kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu IVY LEAGUE CHAMPS!!!! + +""Next time you go over my head, I'll have yours on a platter."" + -- Cmdr. Benjamin Sisko, 1993 +";14;True +"From: psyrobtw@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Robert Weiss) +Subject: [lds] Thief goes to Paradise; Kermit goes off tangent +Organization: University at Buffalo +Lines: 65 +News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 +Nntp-Posting-Host: ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu + + +Kermit Tensmeyer quoted from a few sources and then wrote something. +I will attempt to construct a facsimile of what was previously said, and +then address Kermit's offering. + +John Redelfs originally wrote... + + jr> I learned that a man cannot frustrate justice by repenting on his + jr> death bed because repentance is more than a feeling of remorse. It + jr> requires faith in Christ proven by following him, by keeping his + jr> commandments. Such cannot be accomplished on ones deathbed. + +Tom Albrecht responded... + + ta> So Jesus must have lied to the thief on the cross. + +John Redelfs wrote back that... + + jr> Paradise and salvation are not the same thing. Salvation is better. + jr> Refer to John 14:2. + +I responded to John that... + + rw> I don't see the effort to equate salvation with paradise. + rw> + rw> Rather, I see implied the fact that only those who are saved + rw> may enter paradise. + +To which Kermit wrote... + +kt> Incomplete reference: +kt> +kt> See also the discussion: Did Jesus go into Hell in the BibleStudy group +kt> for the arguments that Paradise and Hell(sheol) are places after death +kt> The discussion (no LDS were involved as far as I could see) argued using +kt> standard Christian argument from the Bible that pretty much support the +kt> LDS position. +kt> +kt> Christ went to paridise after his death and burial. +kt> +kt> He taught the prisoners and freed them from Darkness. +kt> +kt> When he was resurrected, he had not yet ascended to his father. +kt> +kt> The arguement centered around what was or wasn't the proper biblical +kt> terms for those places. + + I respond. + + The question that was raised was not if Jesus went to infernal Paradise + before entering into heaven. No one has made a point for or against + that issue, nor have they compared the LDS position against orthodox + belief. The infernal paradise is held to be Abraham's bosom (Luke 16), + the place of the righteous dead in sheol (equivalent to hades). + + The point that was raised by John was that someone could not repent + on their death bed. Tom Albrecht pointed to a Biblical example that was + contradictory to what John's position put forward. The thief on the + cross was promised by Christ to be with Him in Paradise, the abode of + the righteous dead. John's position possibly needs to be reworked. + Kermit needs to address the topic at hand. + +============================= +Robert Weiss +psyrobtw@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu +";19;True +"From: Center for Policy Research +Subject: Assistance to Palest.people +Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1483500359:000:3036 +Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!cpr Apr 24 15:00:00 1993 +Lines: 78 + + +From: Center for Policy Research +Subject: Assistance to Palest.people + + +U.N. General Assembly Resolution 46/201 of 20 December 1991 + +ASSISTANCE TO THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE +--------------------------------------------- +The General Assembly + +Recalling its resolution 45/183 of 21 December 1990 + +Taking into account the intifadah of the Palestinian people in the +occupied Palestinian territory against the Israeli occupation, +including Israeli economic and social policies and practices, + +Rejecting Israeli restrictions on external economic and social +assistance to the Palestinian people in the occupied Palestinian +territory, + +Concerned about the economic losses of the Palestinian people as a +result of the Gulf crisis, + +Aware of the increasing need to provide economic and social +assistance to the Palestinian people, + +Affirming that the Palestinian people cannot develop their +national economy as long as the Israeli occupation persists, + +1. Takes note of the report of the Secretary-General on assistance +to the Palestinian people; + +2. Expresses its appreciation to the States, United Nations bodies +and intergovernmental and non-governmental organizations that have +provided assistance to the Palestinian people, + +3. Requests the international community, the United Nations system +and intergovernmental and non-governmental organizations to +sustain and increase their assistance to the Palestinian people, +in close cooperation with the Palestine Liberation Organization +(PLO), taking in account the economic losses of the Palestinian +people as a result of the Gulf crisis; + +4. Calls for treatment on a transit basis of Palestinian exports +and imports passing through neighbouring ports and points of exit +and entry; + +5. Also calls for the granting of trade concessions and concrete +preferential measures for Palestinian exports on the basis of +Palestinian certificates of origin; + +6. Further calls for the immediate lifting of Israeli restrictions +and obstacles hindering the implementation of assistance projects +by the United Nations Development Programme, other United Nations +bodies and others providing economic and social assistance to the +Palestinian people in the occupied Palestinian territory; + +7. Reiterates its call for the implementation of development +projects in the occupied Palestinian territory, including the +projects mentioned in its resolution 39/223 of 18 December 1984; + +8. Calls for facilitation of the establishment of Palestinian +development banks in the occupied Palestinian territory, with a +view to promoting investment, production, employment and income +therein; + +9. Requests the Secretary-General to report to the General +The General Assembly at its 47th session, through the Economic and Social +Council, on the progress made in the implementation of the present +resolution. +----------------------------------------------- + +In favour 137 countries (Europe, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, +Japan, Africa, South America, Central America and Asia) Against: +United States and Israel Abstaining: None + + +";15;True +"From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) +Subject: Re: Flames Truly Brutal in Loss +Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department +Lines: 11 + +In article vzhivov@superior.carleton.ca (Vladimir Zhivov) writes: +>As the subject suggests the Flames were not impressive this afternoon, +>dropping a 6-3 decision to the LA Kings. Most of the Flames neglected +>to show up, especially in their own zone, as the Kings hit at least +>five posts! The Flames best line was probably + +Mike Vernon is now 3 wins 11 losses plus that All-Star game debacle in +afternoon games during his career...with another afternoon game with +Los Angeles next Sunday...has the ABC deal doomed the Flames? + +Gerald +";13;True +"From: frp@table.NSD.3Com.COM (Frank R. Pereira) +Subject: Moving Sale +Distribution: ba +Organization: 3Com Corporation +Lines: 10 +Nntp-Posting-Host: table.nsd.3com.com + +Moving Sale: Must sell before May 5: +Futon: high-end, oak, queen, like new -- $250 +Computer Desk: roll-top, locks securely, like new -- $100 +Color TV: 13"", perfect cond., great for bedroom -- $50 ( ***SOLD) +Coffee Tables/Dresser: $40 or B.O. +Lamps: $10 +Make an offer!! + +Ask for Esther: 415/571-6062 eve + 408/736-0490 day +";8;True +"From: dbl@visual.com (David B. Lewis) +Subject: comp.windows.x Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) 2/5 +Summary: useful information about the X Window System +Reply-To: faq%craft@uunet.uu.net (X FAQ maintenance address) +Organization: VISUAL, Inc. +Expires: Sun, 2 May 1993 00:00:00 GMT +Lines: 929 + +Archive-name: x-faq/part2 +Last-modified: 1993/04/04 + +---------------------------------------------------------------------- +Subject: 24)! How do I make a screendump or print my application? + + The xwd client in the X11 distributions can be used to select a window +or the background. It produces an XWD-format file of the image of that window. +The file can be post-processed into something useful or printed with the xpr +client and your local printing mechanism. You can use this command: + csh% sleep 10; xwd -root > output.xwd & +and then spend 10 seconds or so setting up your screen; the entire current +display will be saved into the file output.xwd. Note that xwd also has an +undocumented (before R5) -id flag for specifying the window id on the +command-line. [There are also unofficial patches on export to xwd for +specifying the delay and the portion of the screen to capture.] + + Two publicly-available programs which allow interactive definition of +arbitrary portions of the display and built-in delays are asnap and xgrabsc. +There are several versions of xgrabsc; version 2.2, available on export [8/92] +is the most recent. + xsnap includes some asnap features and supersedes it; it also renders +XPM output [version unknown]. It is available on export or avahi.inria.fr; +see xsnap-pl2.tar.Z. + A screen-dump and merge/edit program combining features of xwd and xpr +is available from vernam.cs.uwm.edu as xdump1.0.tar.Z. Information: +soft-eng@cs.uwm.edu. + xprint, by Alberto Accomazzi (alberto@cfa.harvard.edu) is available +from cfa0 (128.103.40.1) in xprint.export-2.1.tar.Z. + + To post-process the xwd output of some of these tools, you can use xpr, +which is part of the X11 distribution. Also on several archives are xwd2ps +and XtoPS, which produce Encapsulated PostScript with trimmings suitable for +use in presentations (see export.lcs.mit.edu:contrib/xwd2ps.tar.Z and +contrib/ImageMagick.tar.Z). Also useful is the PBMPLUS package on many archive +servers; and the Xim package contains Level 2 color PostScript output. + + The XV program can grab a portion of the X display, manipulate it, and +save it in one of the available formats. ImageMagick has similar capabilities. + + Also: + + Bristol Technology (info@bristol.com, 203-438-6969) offers Xprinter +2.0, an Xlib API for PostScript and PCL printers; a demo is on ftp.uu.net +in vendor/Bristol/Xprinter. + + ColorSoft 9619-459-8500) offers OPENprint package includes a screen- +capture facility, image-processing, and support for PostScript and +non-PostScript printers. + + Some vendors' implementations of X (e.g. DECWindows and OpenWindows) +include session managers or other desktop programs which include ""print portion +of screen"" or ""take a snapshot"" options. Some platforms also have tools which +can be used to grab the frame-buffer directly; the Sun systems, for example, +have a 'screendump' program which produces a Sun raster file. Some X terminals +have local screen-dump utilities to write PostScript to a local serial printer. + + Some vendors' implementations of lpr (e.g. Sony) include direct +support for printing xwd files, but you'll typically need some other package +to massage the output into a useful format which you can get to the printer. + +---------------------------------------------------------------------- +Subject: 25) How do I make a color PostScript screendump of the X display? + + If you need color PostScript in particular, you can + - grab the screen-image using a program which can produce color +PostScript, such as xgrabsc and xv + - grab the screen-image using xwd and post-process xwd into color PS. +You can do this using xwd2ps or the XtoPS program from the ImageMagick +distribution. The PBMPLUS package is also good for this, as is the Xim package. + +---------------------------------------------------------------------- +Subject: 26) How do I make a screendump including the X cursor? + + This can't be done unless the X server has been extended. Consider +instead a system-dependent mechanism for, e.g., capturing the frame-buffer. + +---------------------------------------------------------------------- +Subject: 27) How do I convert/view Mac/TIFF/GIF/Sun/PICT/img/FAX images in X? + + The likeliest program is an incarnation of Jef Poskanzer's useful++ +Portable Bitmap Toolkit, which includes a number of programs for converting +among various image formats. It includes support for many types of bitmaps, +gray-scale images, and full-color images. PBMPLUS has been updated recently; +the most recent version [12/91] is on export in contrib/pbmplus10dec91.tar.Z. + Another tool is San Diego Supercomputing Center's IMtools ('imconv' in +particular), which packages the functionality of PBM into a single binary. +It's available anonymous ftp from sdsc.edu (132.249.20.22). + + Useful for viewing some image-formats is Jim Frost's xloadimage, a +version of which is in the R4 directory contrib/clients/xloadimage; there are +later versions available, including contrib/xloadimage.3.03.tar.Z on export. +Graeme Gill's updates to an earlier version of xloadimage are also on export; +see xli.README and xli.tar.Z.uu; version 1.14 was released 2/93. + + xv (X Image Viewer), written by bradley@cis.upenn.edu (John Bradley), +can read and display pictures in Sun Raster, PGM, PBM, PPM, X11 bitmap, TIFF, +GIF and JPEG. It can manipulate on the images: adjust, color, intensity, +contrast, aspect ratio, crop). It can save images in all of the aforementioned +formats plus PostScript. It can grab a portion of the X display, manipulate on +it, and save it in one of the available formats. The program was updated 5/92; +see the file contrib/xv-2.21.tar.Z on export.lcs.mit.edu. + + The Fuzzy Pixmap Manipulation, by Michael Mauldin . +Conversion and manipulation package, similar to PBMPLUS. Version 1.0 available +via FTP as nl.cs.cmu.edu:/usr/mlm/ftp/fbm.tar.Z, uunet.uu.net:pub/fbm.tar.Z, +and ucsd.edu:graphics/fbm.tar.Z. + + The Img Software Set, by Paul Raveling , reads +and writes its own image format, displays on an X11 screen, and does some image +manipulations. Version 1.3 is available via FTP on expo.lcs.mit.edu as +contrib/img_1.3.tar.Z, along with large collection of color images. + + The Utah RLE Toolkit is a conversion and manipulation package similar +to PBMPLUS. Available via FTP as cs.utah.edu:pub/urt-*, +weedeater.math.yale.edu:pub/urt-*, and freebie.engin.umich.edu:pub/urt-*. + + Xim, The X Image Manipulator, by Philip Thompson, does essential +interactive displaying, editing, filtering, and converting of images. There is +a version in the X11R4 contrib area; but a more recent version (using R4 and +Motif 1.1) is available from gis.mit.edu (18.80.1.118). Xim reads/writes gif, +xwd, xbm, tiff, rle, xim, (writes level 2 eps) and other formats and also has a +library and command-line utilities for building your own applications. + + ImageMagick [2.3; 2/93] by cristy@dupont.com can be retrieved from +export's contrib area. It is a collection of utilities to transform and display +images on any X server. The tool uses the MIFF format; filters to and from MIFF +from other popular formats (PPM, TIFF, GIF, SUN Raster, etc) are included. + + xtiff is a tool for viewing a TIFF file in an X window. It was written +to handle as many different kinds of TIFF files as possible while remaining +simple, portable and efficient. xtiff illustrates some common problems +with building pixmaps and using different visual classes. It is distributed +as part of Sam Leffler's libtiff package and it is also available on +export.lcs.mit.edu, uunet.uu.net and comp.sources.x. [dbs@decwrl.dec.com,10/90] +xtiff 2.0 was announced in 4/91; it includes Xlib and Xt versions. + + A version of Lee Iverson's (leei@McRCIM.McGill.EDU) image-viewing tool +is available as contrib/vimage-0.9.3.tar.Z on export.lcs.mit.edu. The package +also includes an ImageViewPort widget and a FileDialog widget. [12/91;5/92] + +[some material from Larry Carroll (larryc@poe.jpl.nasa.gov), 5/91] + +---------------------------------------------------------------------- +Subject: 28) How can I change the titlebar of my xterm window? + + The solution involves sending an escape sequence to xterm which will +cause it to update the property which the window manager relies upon for the +string which appears in the window titlebar. + A solution is as easy as typing this in an xterm running a shell: + echo ""ESC]2;TEXT^G"" +where ESC is the escape key, TEXT is the string you wish to have displayed, +and ^G is a Control-G (the BEL character). + + Here is a more complicated csh alias which changes the titlebar to +the current working directory when you change directories: + alias newcd 'cd \!*; echo -n ESC]2\;$cwd^G' + + The digit '2' in these strings indicates to xterm that it should +change only the title of the window; to change both the title and the name +used in the icon, use the digit '0' instead, and use '1' to change only the +icon name. + + Note: another way to do this, which prevents an incorrect display of +the local directory if a modified `cd` is used in a subshell, is to wrap the +escape sequences into the PS1 prompt itself. + + Note: on an IBM RS/6000 is may be necessary to begin the sequence with +a ^V. + +---------------------------------------------------------------------- +Subject: 29) Where can I find the xterm control sequences? + +The best source of such information is in your R5 sources in the file +ctlseqs.ms; a PostScript version is in mit/hardcopy/clients/ctlseqs.PS.Z. + +O'Reilly's Volume 3, the X User's Guide, includes an R5 version of the control +sequences; the standard volume will be available 3/93, and a Motif version of +the book is available now. The current (R4) guide includes an outdated version +of the control sequences. [1/93] + +Other good sources of information include the R4 version of that document +and also the file in the R4 sources called mit/clients/xterm/ctlseq2.txt, a +compilation put together by Skip Montanaro (GE CR&D) listing the VT100 +sequences. It dates from R3 but is fairly accurate. A hardcopy version was +published in the December 1989 XNextEvent (the XUG newsletter). + +In a pinch, a VT100 manual will do. + +[last updated 10/91] + +---------------------------------------------------------------------- +Subject: 30)- Why does the R3 xterm, et al, fail against the R4 server? +---------------------------------------------------------------------- +Subject: 31) How can I use characters above ASCII 127 in xterm ? + + In order to use special characters such as the o-umlaut, you need to +""stty pass8"" but also to use a charcell ISO8859 font, such as + XTerm*font: -*-*-medium-r-normal-*-*-130-*-*-c-*-iso8859-1 + XTerm*boldfont: -*-*-bold-r-normal-*-*-130-*-*-c-*-iso8859-1 +[The family is intentionally unspecified in this example.] + +In addition, you may want to set this in your shell: + setenv LC_CTYPE iso_8859_1 + + For a given character above 127, you can determine the key to use with +the Alt modifier by finding the equivalent character below 127 (try using +`man ascii`). For example, o-umlaut (v) is Alt-v and the section character (') +is Alt-'. + +[thanks to Greg Holmberg (greg%thirdi@uunet.uu.net) and Stephen Gildea +(gildea@expo.lcs.mit.edu); 6/92] + +---------------------------------------------------------------------- +Subject: 32) Why are my xterm menus so small? + + You are probably setting the geometry small accidentally. If you give +a resource specification like this: + xterm*geometry: 80x24 +then you are asking for all widgets under xterm to have their geometry set to +80x24. For the main window, this is OK, as it uses characters for its size. +But its popup menus don't; they are in pixels and show up small. To set only +the terminal widget to have the specified geometry, name it explicitly: + xterm*VT100.geometry: 80x24 + +---------------------------------------------------------------------- +Subject: 33) How can I print the current selection? + + You could paste it into an xterm after executing the lpr command. +However, a program by Richard Hesketh (rlh2@ukc.ac.uk) specifically for +manipulating the selection will help; e.g. + % xselection PRIMARY | lpr +finds the primary selection and prints it. This command can be placed in a +window-manager menu or in shell-scripts. xselection also permits the setting of +the selection and other properties. A version is on export. + Also available is ria.ccs.uwo.ca:pub/xget_selection.tar.Z, which can be +adapted to do this. + +---------------------------------------------------------------------- +Subject: 34) How does Xt use environment variables in loading resources? + + You can use several environment variables to control how resources are +loaded for your Xt-based programs -- XFILESEARCHPATH, XUSERFILESEARCHPATH, and +XAPPLRESDIR. These environment variables control where Xt looks for +application-defaults files as an application is initializing. Xt loads at most +one app-defaults file from the path defined in XFILESEARCHPATH and another from +the path defined in XUSERFILESEARCHPATH. + + Set XFILESEARCHPATH if software is installed on your system in such a +way that app-defaults files appear in several different directory hierarchies. +Suppose, for example, that you are running Sun's Open Windows, and you also +have some R4 X applications installed in /usr/lib/X11/app-defaults. You could +set a value like this for XFILESEARCHPATH, and it would cause Xt to look up +app-defaults files in both /usr/lib/X11 and /usr/openwin/lib (or wherever your +OPENWINHOME is located): + setenv XFILESEARCHPATH /usr/lib/X11/%T/%N:$OPENWINHOME/lib/%T/%N + +The value of this environment variable is a colon-separated list of pathnames. The pathnames contain replacement characters as follows (see +XtResolvePathname()): + + %N The value of the filename parameter, or the + application's class name. + %T The value of the file ""type"". In this case, the + literal string ""app-defaults"" + %C customization resource (R5 only) + %S Suffix. None for app-defaults. + %L Language, locale, and codeset (e.g. ""ja_JP.EUC"") + %l Language part of %L (e.g. ""ja"") + %t The territory part of the display's language string + %c The codeset part of the display's language string + + Let's take apart the example. Suppose the application's class name is +""Myterm"". Also, suppose Open Windows is installed in /usr/openwin. (Notice the +example omits locale-specific lookup.) + /usr/lib/X11/%T/%N means /usr/lib/X11/app-defaults/Myterm + $OPENWINHOME/lib/%T/%N means /usr/openwin/lib/app-defaults/Myterm + + As the application initializes, Xt tries to open both of the above +app-defaults files, in the order shown. As soon as it finds one, it reads it +and uses it, and stops looking for others. The effect of this path is to +search first in /usr/lib/X11, then in /usr/openwin. + + Let's consider another example. This time, let's set +XUSERFILESEARCHPATH so it looks for the file Myterm.ad in the current working +directory, then for Myterm in the directory ~/app-defaults. + setenv XUSERFILESEARCHPATH ./%N.ad:$HOME/app-defaults/%N + + The first path in the list expands to ./Myterm.ad. The second expands +to $HOME/app-defaults/Myterm. This is a convenient setting for debugging +because it follows the Imake convention of naming the app-defaults file +Myterm.ad in the application's source directory, so you can run the application +from the directory in which you are working and still have the resources loaded +properly. NOTE: when looking for app-default files with XUSERFILESEARCHPATH, +for some bizarre reason, neither the type nor file suffix is defined so %T and +%S are useless. + + With R5, there's another twist. You may specify a customization +resource value. For example, you might run the ""myterm"" application like this: + myterm -xrm ""*customization: -color"" + + If one of your pathname specifications had the value +""/usr/lib/X11/%T/%N%C"" then the expanded pathname would be +""/usr/lib/X11/app-defaults/Myterm-color"" because the %C substitution character +takes on the value of the customization resource. + + The default XFILESEARCHPATH, compiled into Xt, is: + /usr/lib/X11/%L/%T/%N%C:\ (R5) + /usr/lib/X11/%l/%T/%N%C:\ (R5) + /usr/lib/X11/%T/%N%C:\ (R5) + /usr/lib/X11/%L/%T/%N:\ + /usr/lib/X11/%l/%T/%N:\ + /usr/lib/X11/%T/%N + + (Note: some sites replace /usr/lib/X11 with a ProjectRoot in +this batch of default settings.) + + The default XUSERFILESEARCHPATH, also compiled into Xt, is + /%L/%N%C:\ (R5) + /%l/%N%C:\ (R5) + /%N%C:\ (R5) + /%L/%N:\ + /%l/%N:\ + /%N: + + is either the value of XAPPLRESDIR or the user's home directory +if XAPPLRESDIR is not set. If you set XUSERFILESEARCHPATH to some value other +than the default, Xt ignores XAPPLRESDIR altogether. + + Notice that the quick and dirty way of making your application find +your app-defaults file in your current working directory is to set XAPPLRESDIR +to ""."", a single dot. In R3, all this machinery worked differently; for R3 +compatibilty, many people set their XAPPLRESDIR value to ""./"", a dot followed +by a slash. + +[Thanks to Oliver Jones (oj@world.std.com); 2/93.] + +---------------------------------------------------------------------- +Subject: 35) How to I have the R4 xdm put a picture behind the log-in window? + +The answer lies in changing xdm's xrdb resource in the xdm-config file to run a +program to change the background before loading the resources; for example, +your /usr/lib/X11/xdm/xdm-config file may add the line + DisplayManager.0.authorize: false +to permit unrestricted access to the display before log-in (beware!) and also + DisplayManager*xrdb: /usr/lib/X11/xdm/new.xrdb +where that file does something (for all connections) along the lines of: + #!/bin/sh + #comes in with arguments: -display :0 -load /usr/lib/X11/xdm/Xresources + /usr/bin/X11/xsetroot -display $2 -bitmap /usr/lib/X11/xdm/new.bitmap + /usr/bin/X11/xrdb $* +Substitute xloadimage or xv for xsetroot, to taste. Note that this is a +general hack that can be used to invoke a console window or any other client. + +[Thanks to Jay Bourland (jayb@cauchy.stanford.edu), 9/91] + +---------------------------------------------------------------------- +Subject: 36) Why isn't my PATH set when xdm runs my .xsession file? + + When xdm runs your .xsession it doesn't source your .cshrc or .login +files. You can set the path explicitly as you normally could for any SH script; +or you can place all environment-setting statements in a separate file and +source it from both the .xsession file and your shell configuration file; or, +if you set your PATH in your .cshrc file, the normal place, you can make your +.xsession have PATH set simply by making it a csh script, i.e. by starting +your .xsession file off with ""#!/bin/csh"". + If this doesn't work, also try starting off with: + #!/bin/sh + # Reset path: + PATH=`csh -c 'echo $PATH'` ; export PATH + +---------------------------------------------------------------------- +Subject: 37) How do I keep my $DISPLAY when I rlogin to another machine? + + There are several ways to avoid having to do a ""setenv DISPLAY ..."" +whenever you log in to another networked UNIX machine running X. + One solution is to use the clients/xrsh on the R5 contrib tape. It +includes xrsh, a script to start an X application on remote machine, and +xrlogin, a script to start a local xterm running rlogin to a remote machine. +A more recent version is on export in xrsh-5.4.shar. + One solution is to use the xrlogin program from der Mouse +(mouse@larry.mcrcim.mcgill.edu). You can ftp caveat-emptor versions from +132.206.1.1, in X/xrlogin.c and X/xrlogind.c. The program packages up $TERM and +$DISPLAY into a single string, which is stuffed into $TERM. rlogin then +propagates $TERM normally; your .cshrc on the remote machine should contain + eval `xrlogind` +where xrlogind is a program that checks $TERM and if it is of the special +format it recognizes, unpacks it and spits out setenv and unsetenv commands to +recreate the environment variables. [11/90] + + In addition, if all you need to do is start a remote X process on +another host, and you find + rsh -n /usr/bin/X11/xterm -display $DISPLAY +too simple (DISPLAY must have your real hostname), then this version of xrsh +can be used to start up remote X processes. The equivalent usage would be + xrsh xterm + + #! /bin/sh + # start an X11 process on another host + # Date: 8 Dec 88 06:29:34 GMT + # From: Chris Torek + # rsh $host -n ""setenv DISPLAY $DISPLAY; exec $@ &/dev/null"" + # + # An improved version: + # rXcmd (suggested by John Robinson, jr@bbn.com) + # (generalized for sh,ksh by Keith Boyer, keith@cis.ohio-state.edu) + # + # but they put the rcmd in ()'s which left zombies again. This + # script combines the best of both. + + case $# in + [01]) echo ""Usage: $0 host x-cmd [args...]"";; + *) + case $SHELL in + *csh*) host=""$1""; shift + xhost ""$host"" > /dev/null + rsh ""$host"" -n \ + ""setenv TERM xterm; setenv DISPLAY `hostname`:0; \ + exec $* & /dev/null"" & + ;; + *sh) + host=""$1""; shift + xhost ""$host"" > /dev/null + rsh ""$host"" -n \ + ""TERM=xterm export TERM; \ + DISPLAY=`hostname`:0 export DISPLAY; \ + LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/X11/lib export LD_LIBRARY_PATH; \ + PATH=\$PATH:/usr/X11/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/local/bin; \ + export PATH; \ + exec $* < /dev/null > /dev/null 2>&1"" & + ;; + esac + ;; + esac + +---------------------------------------------------------------------- +Subject: 38) How can I design my own font? + + One way is to use the ""bitmap"" client or some other bitmap-editor (e.g. +Sun's icon-editor tool, post-processed with pbmplus) to design the individual +characters and then to do some large amount of post-processing to concatenate +them into the BDF format. See Ollie Jones's article in the November 91 X +Journal for more information. + The R3 contrib/ area (in fonts/utils/ and in clients/xtroff) contained +a number of useful utilities, including some to convert between BDF font format +and a simple character format which can be edited with any text editor. + An easier way is to use the ""xfed"" client to modify an existing font; a +version is on the R4 or R5 X11R5 contrib tape in contrib/clients/xfed. Xfed is +available for anonymous ftp on ftp.Informatik.Uni-Dortmund.DE [129.217.64.63], +possibly as file /pub/windows/X/Diverse-X11-Sourcen/xfed.tar.Z. It can produce +BDF-format fonts which can be compiled for a variety of X servers. + The xfedor client from Group Bull permits creation of bitmaps, cursors, +XPM1 pixmaps, and fonts. Binaries for common machines are on avahi.inria.fr in +/pub; in addition, the sources (an old Xlib implementation) have been placed +[5/91] in export:/contrib. + If you are a MetaFont user you can use ""mftobdf"" from the SeeTeX +distribution to convert PK, GF, and PXL fonts to BDF format; the distribution +is on ftp.cs.colorado.edu and on export.lcs.mit.edu. + The GNU package fontutils-0.4.tar.Z on prep.ai.mit.edu includes xbfe, +a font editor, and a number of utilities for massaging font formats. + The O'Reilly X Resource issue #2 contains an article on using these +tools to modify a font. + Fonts can be resized with Hiroto Kagotani's bdfresize; a new version is +in ftp.cs.titech.ac.jp:/X11/contrib. + +---------------------------------------------------------------------- +Subject: 39) Why does adding a font to the server not work (sic)? + + After you have built the font using your system's font-compiler, +installed it in some directory, and run `mkfontdir` or your system's equivalent +(e.g. bldfamily for OpenWindows) in that directory, be sure to use `xset +fp +$dir` to add that full path-name to the server's font-path, *or* if the +directory is already in the path, use `xset fp rehash` so that the new fonts in +that directory are actually found; it is this last step that you're probably +leaving out. (You can also use `xset q` to make sure that that directory is in +the path.) + Sometimes your ""xset +fp $dir"" command fails with a BadValue error: + X Error of failed request:BadValue + (integer parameter out of range for operation) + Major opcode of failed request: 51 (X_SetFontPath) + + This means the X server cannot find or read your font directory, or +that your directory does not look like a font directory to the server. (The +mention of an ""integer parameter"" in the message is spurious.) + +-- Is the font directory you're specifying readable from the SERVER's file + system? Remember, it's the server, not the client, which interprets your + font directory. Trouble in this area is especially likely when you issue an + xset command with shell metacharacters in it (e.g. ""xset +fp ~/myfonts"") and + the server is an X terminal or managed by xdm. + +-- Is the directory really a font directory? If you're running an MIT server + (or most varieties of vendor servers) look in the directory for the file + ""fonts.dir"". If you can't find that file, run mkfontdir(1). (If you're + running OpenWindows, look for the file ""Families.list"". If you can't find + it, run bldfamily(1).) + +-- If you're in a site where some people run X11Rn servers and others run a + proprietary server with nonstandard font formats (OpenWindows, for + example), make sure the font directory is right for the server you're using. + Hint: if the directory contains .pcf and/or .snf files, it won't work for + Open Windows. If the directory contains .ff and/or .fb files, it won't work + for X11Rn. + +[thanks to der Mouse (mouse@larry.mcrcim.mcgill.edu) and to Oliver Jones +(oj@pictel.com); 7/92 ] + +---------------------------------------------------------------------- +Subject: 40) How do I convert a "".snf"" font back to "".bdf"" font? + + A tool called ""snftobdf 1.4"" is part of the bdftools package, which is +available from export.lcs.mit.edu:contrib/bdftools.tar.Z and from +crl.nmsu.edu:pub/misc/bdftools.tar.Z. [2/91] + +---------------------------------------------------------------------- +Subject: 41) What is a general method of getting a font in usable format? + + der Mouse's getbdf is one solution; it connects to a server and +produces a .BDF file for any font the server is willing to let it. It can be +used as an anything-to-BDF converter, but requires access to a server that can +understand the font file, thus is both more and less powerful than other tools +such as snftobdf. getbdf is on 132.206.1.1 in X/getbdf.c or available via mail +from mouse@larry.McRCIM.McGill.EDU. [5/91] + In addition, the R5 program ""fstobdf"" can produce bdf for any font that +the R5 server has access to. + +---------------------------------------------------------------------- +Subject: 42) How do I use DECwindows fonts on my non-DECwindows server? + + The DECwindows fonts typically don't exist on a non-DEC installation, +but rewrite rules can be used to alias fonts used by DECwindows applications to +standard MIT fonts of similar characteristics and size. Pick up the file +contrib/DECwindows_on_X11R4_font.aliases from export.lcs.mit.edu; this file is +for a standard MIT R4 server. It can also serve as a starting point for +creating a similar aliases file for the Open Windows server or other servers +which do not use the MIT font scheme. + +---------------------------------------------------------------------- +Subject: 43) How do I add "".bdf"" fonts to my DECwindows server? + + The format of fonts preferred by DEC's X server is the "".pcf"" format. +You can produce this compiled format from the .bdf format by using DEC's dxfc +font-compiler. Note that the DEC servers can also use raw .bdf fonts, with a +performance hit. + +---------------------------------------------------------------------- +Subject: 44)! How can I set backgroundPixmap in a defaults file? (What is XPM?) +I want to be able to do something like this: + xclock*backgroundPixmap: /usr/include/X11/bitmaps/rootweave + + You can't do this. The backgroundPixmap resource is a pixmap of the +same depth as the screen, not a bitmap (which is a pixmap of depth 1). Because +of this, writing a generic String to Pixmap converter is impossible, since +there is no accepted convention for a file format for pixmaps. Therefore, +neither the X Toolkit or the Athena widget set define a String to Pixmap +converter, because there is no converter you cannot specify this value as a +resource. The Athena widget set does define a String to Bitmap converter for +use in many of its widgets, however. +[courtesy Chris D. Peterson (now kit@ics.com), 4/90] + +However: + A specific converter which encapsulates much of the functionality of +the xloadimage package by Jim Frost was posted 12/90 by Sebastian Wangnick +(basti@unido.informatik.uni-dortmund.de); it permits loading of a number of +image formats as a pixmap. + + The leading general-purpose format for pixmaps is the XPM format used +by Groupe Bull in several of its programs, including the GWM window manager, by +AT&T in its olpixmap editor, and by ICS in its interface builder. XPM +distribution, available on export as contrib/xpm.tar.Z, includes read/write +routines which can easily be adapted to converters by new widgets which want to +allow specification of pixmap resources in the above manner. See information +on the xpm-talk mailing list above. XPM 3.0f was announced in 3/93 and is +available from export.lcs.mit.edu and avahi.inria.fr; an older version is on +the R5 contrib tape. [A set of XPM icons collected by Anthony Thyssen +(anthony@kurango.cit.gu.edu.au) is on export in contrib/AIcons.] + +---------------------------------------------------------------------- +Subject: 45) Why can't I override translations? Only the first item works. + + You probably have an extra space after the specification of the first +item, like this: + basic*text.translations: #override \ + Ctrla: beginning-of-line() \n\ + Ctrle: end-of-line() + ^ extra space +The newline after that space is ending the translation definition. +[Thanks to Timothy J. Horton, 5/91] + +---------------------------------------------------------------------- +Subject: 46) How can I have xclock or oclock show different timezones? + + One solution is xchron, in Volume 6 of comp.sources.x, which can show +the time for timezones other than the local one. + Alternatively, you can probably set the timezone in the shell from +which you invoke the xclock or oclock, or use a script similar to this: + #!/bin/sh + TZ=PST8PDT xclock -name ""San_Luis_Obispo_CA"" 2> /dev/null & + TZ=EST5EDT xclock -name ""King_Of_Prussia_PA"" 2> /dev/null & + +---------------------------------------------------------------------- +Subject: 47) I have xmh, but it doesn't work. Where can I get MH? + + The xmh mail-reader requires the Rand MH mail/message handling system, +which is not part of the UNIX software distribution for many machines. A list +of various ftp, uucp, e-mail and US-mail sites for both xmh and MH is given in +the monthly MH FAQ; one source is ics.uci.edu in the file pub/mh/mh-6.7.tar.Z. +If you do not receive the comp.mail.mh newsgroup or the MH-users mailing list, +you can request a copy of the FAQ, which also includes a section on xmh, +by sending mail to mail-server@pit-manager.mit.edu containing the request +""send usenet/news.answers/mh-faq"". + +---------------------------------------------------------------------- +Subject: 48) Why am I suddenly unable to connect to my Sun X server? +After a seemingly random amount of time after the X server has been started, no +other clients are able to connect to it. + + The default cron cleanup jobs supplied by Sun (for 4.0.3, at least) +delete ""old"" (unreferenced) files from /tmp -- including /tmp/.X11-unix, which +contains the socket descriptor used by X. The solution is to add ""! -type s"" to +the find exclusion in the cron job. +[10/90] + +---------------------------------------------------------------------- +Subject: 49) Why don't the R5 PEX demos work on my mono screen? + +The R5 sample server implementation works only on color screens, sorry. + +---------------------------------------------------------------------- +Subject: 50)! How do I get my Sun Type-[45] keyboard fully supported by Xsun? + +Many users wants the Num Lock key to light the Num Lock LED and have the +appropriate effect on the numeric keypad. The Xsun server as distributed by MIT +doesn't do this but there are two different patches available. + +The first patch is written by Jonathan Lemon and fixes the Num Lock related +problems. It is available from export.lcs.mit.edu in the file +contrib/Xsun-R5.numlock_patch.Z . + +The second is written by Martin Forssen and fixes the Num Lock and Compose keys +and adds support for the different national keyboard layouts for Type-4 and +Type-5 keyboards. This patch is available from export.lcs.mit.edu in +contrib/sunkbd1216-0314.tar.Z or via email from maf@dtek.chalmers.se. + +[thanks to Martin Forssen (maf@dtek.chalmers.se or maf@math.chalmers.se), 8/92] + +A set of patches by William Bailey (dbgwab@arco.com) was posted to newsgroups +11/92 to provide support for the Type-5 keyboard. + +---------------------------------------------------------------------- +Subject: 51) How do I report bugs in X? + + Generally, report bugs you find to the organization that supplied you +with the X Window System. If you received the R5 source distribution directly +from MIT, please read the file mit/bug-report for instructions. [Look in +mit/doc/bugs/bug-report in R4.] + +[Thanks to Stephen Gildea , 5/91; 12/91] + +---------------------------------------------------------------------- +Subject: 52) Why do I get ""Warning: Widget class version mismatch""? + + This error, which typically goes on to say, ""widget 11004 vs. +intrinsics 11003"" indicates that the header files you included when building +your program didn't match the header files that the Xt library you're linking +against was built with; check your -I include path and -L link-path to be sure. + However, the problem also occurs when linking against a version of the +X11R4 Xt library before patch 10; the version number was wrong. Some Sun OW +systems, in particular, were shipped with the flawed version of the library, +and applications which link against the library typically give the warnings you +have seen. + +---------------------------------------------------------------------- +Subject: 53) Where can I find a dictionary server for xwebster? + + Webster's still owns the copyright to the on-line copies of Webster's +Dictionary which are found at various (university) sites. After it became aware +that these sites were then acting as servers for other sites running xwebster +and gnuemacs-webster, it asked that server sites close off external access. + [The NeXT machine apparently is also licensed to have the dictionary. A +Webster daemon for NeXT machines is available from iuvax.cs.indiana.edu +(129.79.254.192) in ""pub/webster/NeXT-2.0"".] + Unless you want to get a legal on-line copy yourself or can find a site +which can grant you access, you are probably out of luck. + + However, if you are a legitimate site, you'll want to pick up the +latest xwebster, as-is on export:contrib/xwebster.tar.Z [10/91]; the file +xwebster.README includes discussions of the availability, illegality, and +non-availability of dictionary servers. + +[courtesy steve@UMIACS.UMD.EDU (Steve Miller) and mayer@hplabs.hp.com (Niels +Mayer) 11/90] + +---------------------------------------------------------------------- +Subject: 54) TOPIC: OBTAINING X AND RELATED SOFTWARE AND HARDWARE +---------------------------------------------------------------------- +Subject: 55) Is X public-domain software? + + No. The X software is copyrighted by various institutions and is not +""public domain"", which has a specific legal meaning. However, the X +distribution is available for free and can be redistributed without fee. + Contributed software, though, may be placed in the public domain by +individual authors. + +---------------------------------------------------------------------- +Subject: 56) How compatible are X11R3, R4, and R5? What changes are there? + +The Release Notes for each MIT release of X11 specify the changes from the +previous release. The X Consortium tries very hard to maintain compatibility +across releases. In the few places where incompatible changes were necessary, +details are given in the Release Notes. Each X11 distribution site on the +network also offers the Release Notes that go with the release they offer; the +file typically can be found at the top of the distribution tree. + +[Stephen Gildea, 1/92] + +The comp.windows.x.intrinsics FAQ-Xt lists Xt differences among these versions. + +---------------------------------------------------------------------- +Subject: 57)! Where can I get X11R5 (source and/or binaries)? + +Information about MIT's distribution of the sources on 6250bpi and QIC-24 tape +and its distribution of hardcopy of the documents is available from +Software Center, Technology Licensing Office, Massachusetts Institute of +Technology, 28 Carleton Street, Room E32-300, Cambridge MA 02142-1324, +phone: 617-258-8330. + +You will need about 100Mb of disk space to hold all of Core and 140MB to hold +the Contrib software donated by individuals and companies. + +PLEASE use a site that is close to you in the network. + +Note that the RELEASE notes are generally available separately in the same +directory; the notes list changes from previous versions of X and offer a +guide to the distribution. + + North America anonymous FTP: + +California gatekeeper.dec.com pub/X11/R5 + 16.1.0.2 +California soda.berkeley.edu pub/X11R5 + 128.32.131.179 +Indiana mordred.cs.purdue.edu pub/X11/R5 + 128.10.2.2 +Maryland ftp.brl.mil pub/X11R5 + 128.63.16.158 + (good for MILNET sites) +Massachusetts crl.dec.com pub/X11/R5 + 192.58.206.2 +Massachusetts export.lcs.mit.edu pub/R5 + 18.24.0.12 + (crl.dec.com is better) +Michigan merit.edu pub/X11R5 + 35.1.1.42 +Missouri wuarchive.wustl.edu packages/X11R5 + 128.252.135.4 +Montana ftp.cs.montana.edu pub/X.V11R5 + 192.31.215.202 +New Mexico pprg.eece.unm.edu pub/dist/X11R5 + 129.24.24.10 +New York azure.acsu.buffalo.edu pub/X11R5 + 128.205.7.6 +North Carolina cs.duke.edu dist/sources/X11R5 + 128.109.140.1 +Ohio ftp.cis.ohio-state.edu pub/X.V11R5 + 128.146.8.52 +Ontario ftp.cs.utoronto.ca pub/X11R5 + 128.100.1.105 +Washington DC x11r5-a.uu.net X/R5 + 192.48.96.12 +Washington DC x11r5-b.uu.net X/R5 + 137.39.1.12 + + Europe/Middle East/Australia anonymous FTP: + +Australia munnari.oz.au X.V11/R5 + 128.250.1.21 +Denmark freja.diku.dk pub/X11R5 + 129.142.96.1 +United Kingdom src.doc.ic.ac.uk graphics/X.V11R5 + 146.169.3.7 + hpb.mcc.ac.uk pub/X11r5 + 130.88.200.7 +Finland nic.funet.fi pub/X11/R5 + 128.214.6.100 +France nuri.inria.fr X/X11R5 + 128.93.1.26 +Germany ftp.germany.eu.net pub/X11/X11R5 + 192.76.144.129 +Israel cs.huji.ac.il pub/X11R5 + 132.65.6.5 +Italy ghost.sm.dsi.unimi.it pub/X11R5 + 149.132.2.1 +Netherlands archive.eu.net windows/X/R5 + 192.16.202.1 +Norway ugle.unit.no pub/X11R5 + 129.241.1.97 +Norway nac.no pub/X11R5 + 129.240.2.40 +Switzerland nic.switch.ch software/X11R5 + 130.59.1.40 + + Japan anonymous FTP: + +Kanagawa sh.wide.ad.jp X11R5 + 133.4.11.11 +Kwansai ftp.ics.osaka-u.ac.jp X11R5 + 133.1.12.30 +Kyushu wnoc-fuk.wide.ad.jp X11R5 + 133.4.14.3 +TISN utsun.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp X11R5 + 133.11.11.11 +Tokyo kerr.iwanami.co.jp X11R5 + 133.235.128.1 +Tokyo scslwide.sony.co.jp pub/X11R5 + 133.138.199.1 + + UUCP: + +uunet for UUNET customers ~/X/R5 +decwrl existing neighbors only ~/pub/X11/R5 +osu-cis ~/X.V11R5 + (not online until ~ 9 Sept) +utai existing neighbors only ~/ftp/pub/X11R5 +hp4nl Netherlands only ~uucp/pub/windows/X/R5 + + + + NFS: +Missouri wuarchive.wustl.edu /archive/packages/X11R5 + 128.252.135.4 mount point: /archive + + AFS: +Pennsylvania /afs/grand.central.org/pub/X11R5 + + NIFTP (hhcp, cpf, fcp, ...): +United Kingdom uk.ac.ic.doc.src + 00000510200001 + user ""guest"" + + anon FTAM: +United Kingdom 000005102000 (Janet) X.V11R5 + 146.169.3.7 (Internet) + 204334504108 (IXI) + + ACSNet: +Australia munnari.oz (fetchfile) X.V11/R5 + Please fetch only one file + at a time, after checking + that a copy is not available + at a closer site. + +[9/2/91; updated for contrib 10/91] + +Anyone in Europe can get a copy of the MIT X.V11R5 distribution, including +the core and contributed software and all official patches, free of charge. +The only requirement is to agree to return the tapes, or equivalent new tapes. +Only QIC and TK format cartridges can be provided. Contact: Jamie Watson, +Adasoft AG, Nesslerenweg 104, 3084 Wabern, Switzerland. +Tel: +41 31 961.35.70 or +41 62 61.41.21; Fax: +41 62 61.41.30; jw@adasoft.ch. + +UK sites can obtain X11 through the UKUUG Software Distribution Service, from +the Department of Computing, Imperial College, London, in several tape formats. +You may also obtain the source via Janet (and therefore PSS) using Niftp (Host: +uk.ac.ic.doc.src Name: guest Password: your_email_address). Queries should be +directed to Lee McLoughlin, 071-589-5111#5037, or to info-server@doc.ic.ac.uk +or ukuug-soft@uk.ac.ic.doc (send a Subject line of ""wanted"". Also offered are +copies of comp.sources.x, the export.lcs.mit.edu contrib and doc areas and most +other announced freely distributable packages. + +X11R5 and X11R4 source along with X11R5 contrib code, prebuilt X binaries for +major platforms, and source code examples from O'Reilly's books is available on +an ISO-9660-format CD-ROM from O'Reilly & Associates. [as of 3/92]. + +X11R5 source is available on ISO-9660-format CD-ROM for members of the Japan +Unix Society from Hiroaki Obata, obata@jrd.dec.com. + +X11R5 source along with GNU source, the comp.sources.x archives, and SPARC +binaries is available on an ISO-9660-format CD-ROM from PDQ Software, +510-947-5996 (or Robert A. Bruce, rab@sprite.Berkeley.EDU). + +X11R5 source is available from Automata Design Associates, +1 215-646-4894. + +Various users' groups (e.g. SUG) offer X sources cheaply, typically on CD-ROM. + +Source for the Andrew User Interface System 5.1 and binaries for common systems +are available on CD-ROM. Information: info-andrew-requests@andrew.cmu.edu, +412-268-6710, fax 412-621-8081. + +Binaries for X11R5, with shared libX11 and libXmu, for A/UX 2.0.1 are now +available from wuarchive.wustl.edu:/archive/systems/aux/X11R5. Patches for +X11R5 compiled with gcc (but not shared libraries) are also available. +[John L. Coolidge (coolidge@cs.uiuc.edu, 10/91)] + +Binaries by Rich Kaul (kaul@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu) for the Sun386i running +SunOS 4.0.2 are available on dsinc.dsi.com (please only after-hours USA EST). + +Binaries for the Sun386i are available from compaq.com (131.168.249.254) in +pub/sun-386i/sources and from vernam.cs.uwm.edu (129.89.9.117). + +A binary tree for the Next by Douglas Scott (doug@foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu) is on +foxtrot.ccmrc.ucsb.edu; it is missing the server, though. + +Binaries for the Sun386i are in vernam.cs.uwm.edu:/sun386i. + +Binaries for the HP-PA are on hpcvaaz.cv.hp.com (15.255.72.15). + +Source and binaries for HP-UX 8.*/9.0(S300/400/700/800) and Domain 10.4 (68K, +DN 10K) are available through the Interworks Users Group; contact Carol Relph +at 508-436-5046, fax 508-256-7169, or relph_c@apollo.hp.com. + +Patches to X11R5 for Solaris 2.1 by Casper H.S. Dik (casper@fwi.uva.nl) et al +are on export in contrib/{R5.SunOS5.patch.tar.Z,R5.SunOS5.patch.README}. + +Patches to X11R5 for the Sun Type 5 keyboard and the keyboard NumLock are +available from William Bailey (dbgwab@arco.com). + +Also: + +Binaries are available from Unipalm (+44 954 211797, xtech@unipalm.co.uk), +probably for the Sun platforms. +---------------------------------------------------------------------- + + +David B. Lewis faq%craft@uunet.uu.net + + ""Just the FAQs, ma'am."" -- Joe Friday +-- +David B. Lewis Temporarily at but not speaking for Visual, Inc. +day: dbl@visual.com evening: david%craft@uunet.uu.net +";12;True +"From: tjo@scr.siemens.com (Tom Ostrand) +Subject: Radio for Toyota Tercel +Keywords: radio,Tercel,replacement +Nntp-Posting-Host: bugatti.siemens.com +Organization: Siemens Corporate Research, Princeton (Plainsboro), NJ +Lines: 19 + +I'm looking for a replacement radio/tape player for a 1984 +Toyota Tercel. Standard off-the-shelf unit is fine, but +every place I've gone to (Service Merchandise, etc.) doesn't +have my car in its model application book. I want to just +take out the old radio, and slide in the new, with minimal time +spent hooking it up and adjusting the dashboard. + +If you have put in a new unit in a similar car, I'd like to hear +what brand, how easy it was to do the change, and any other +relevant information. + +Please answer via E-mail. +Thanks, Tom Ostrand + +-- +Tom Ostrand E-mail: tjo@scr.siemens.com +Siemens Corporate Research Phone: 609-734-6569 +755 College Road East FAX: 609-734-6565 +Princeton, NJ 08540-6668 +";10;True +"From: AGRGB@ASUACAD.BITNET +Subject: Re: CDs priced for immediate sale +Article-I.D.: ASUACAD.93096.004253AGRGB +Organization: Arizona State University +Lines: 10 + +Hey now, + +The following cds are still available. Offers/trades considered. + +Gowan - Lost Brotherhood +Katrina & the Waves - Break of Hearts +Joe Cocker - Live +Charles Neville - Diversity + +Thanks, Rich +";8;True +"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) +Subject: Re: Minority Abuses in Greece. +Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) +Distribution: world +Lines: 201 + +In article mpoly@panix.com (Michael S. Polymenakos) writes: + +> Well, ZUMABOT claims just the opposite: That Greeks are not allowing +>Turks to exit the country. Now, explain this: The number of Turks in +>Thrace has steadily risen from 50,000 in 23 to 80,000, while the Greeks of + +Dr. Goebels thought that a lie repeated enough times could finally +be believed. I have been observing that 'Poly' has been practicing +Goebels' rule quite loyally. 'Poly's audience is mostly made of Greeks +who are not allowed to listen to Turkish news. However, in today's +informed world Greek propagandists can only fool themselves. For +instance, those who lived in 1974 will remember the TV news they +watched and the newspapers they read and the younger generation can +read the American newspapers of July and August 1974 to find out what +really happened. + +There are in Turkiye the Greek Hospital, The Greek Girls' Lycee +Alumni Association, the Principo Islands Greek Benevolent Society, +the Greek Medical Foundation, the Principo Greek Orphanage Foundation, +the Yovakimion Greek Girls' Lycee Foundation, and the Fener Greek +Men's Lycee Foundation. + +As for Greece, the longstanding use of the adjective 'Turkish' +in titles and on signboards is prohibited. The Greek courts +have ordered the closure of the Turkish Teachers' Association, +the Komotini Turkish Youth Association and the Ksanti +Turkish Association on grounds that there are no Turks +in Western Thrace. Such community associations had been +active until 1984. But they were first told to remove +the word 'Turkish' on their buildings and on their official +papers and then eventually close down. This is also the +final verdict (November 4, 1987) of the Greek High Court. + +In the city of Komotini, a former Greek Parliamentarian of Turkish +parentage, was sentenced recently to 18 months of imprisonment +with no right to appeal, just for saying outloud that he was +of Turkish descent. This duly-elected ethnic Turkish official +was also deprived of his political rights for a period of three +years. Each one of these barbaric acts seems to be none other than +a vehicle, used by the Greek governments, to cover-up their inferiority +complex they display, vis-a-vis, the people of Turkiye. + +The Agreement on the Exchange of Minorities uses the term 'Turks,' +which demonstrates what is actually meant by the previous reference +to 'Muslims.' The fact that the Greek governments also mention the +existence of a few thousand non-Turkish Muslims does not change the +essential reality that there lives in Western Thrace a much bigger +Turkish minority. The 'Pomaks' are also a Muslim people, whom all the +three nations (Bulgarians, Turks, and Greeks) consider as part of +themselves. Do you know how the Muslim Turkish minority was organized +according to the agreements? Poor 'Poly.' + +It also proves that the Turkish people are trapped in Greece +and the Greek people are free to settle anywhere in the world. +The Greek authorities deny even the existence of a Turkish +minority. They pursue the same denial in connection with +the Macedonians of Greece. Talk about oppression. In addition, +in 1980 the 'democratic' Greek Parliament passed Law No. 1091, +virtually taking over the administration of the vakiflar and +other charitable trusts. They have ceased to be self-supporting +religious and cultural entities. Talk about fascism. The Greek +governments are attempting to appoint the muftus, irrespective +of the will of the Turkish minority, as state official. Although +the Orthodox Church has full authority in similar matters in +Greece, the Muslim Turkish minority will have no say in electing +its religious leaders. Talk about democracy. + +The government of Greece has recently destroyed an Islamic +convention in Komotini. Such destruction, which reflects an +attitude against the Muslim Turkish cultural heritage, is a +violation of the Lausanne Convention as well as the 'so-called' +Greek Constitution, which is supposed to guarantee the protection +of historical monuments. + +The government of Greece, on the other hand, is building new +churches in remote villages as a complementary step toward +Hellenizing the region. + +And you pondered. Sidiropoulos, the president of the Macedonian Human +Rights Committee, became the latest victim of a tactic long used by +the Greeks to silence critics of policies of forced assimilation +of the Macedonian minority. A forestry official by occupation, +Sidiropoulos has been sent to 'internal exile' on the island of +Kefalonia, hundreds of kilometers away from his native Florina. +His employer, the Florina City Council, asked him to depart in +24 hours. The Greek authorities are trying to punish him for his +involvement in Copenhagen. He returned to Florina by his own choice +and remains without a job. + +Helsinki Watch, a well-known Human Rights group, had been investigating +the plight of the Turkish Minority in Greece. In August 1990, their +findings were published in a report titled + + 'Destroying Ethnic Identity: Turks of Greece.' + +The report confirmed gross violations of the Human Rights of the +Turkish minority by the Greek authorities. It says for instance, +the Greek government recently destroyed an Islamic convent in +Komotini. Such destruction, which reflects an attitude against +the Muslim Turkish cultural heritage, is a violation of the +Lausanne Convention. + +The Turkish cemeteries in the village of Vafeika and in Pinarlik +were attacked, and tombstones were broken. The cemetery in +Karotas was razed by bulldozers. + +Shall I go on? Why not? The people of Turkiye are not going +to take human rights lessons from the Greek Government. The +discussion of human rights violations in Greece does not +stop at the Greek frontier. In several following articles +I shall dwell on and expose the Greek treatment of Turks +in Western Thrace and the Aegean Macedonians. + +It has been reported that the Greek Cypriot administration +has an intense desire for arms and that Greece has made +plans to supply it with the tanks and armored vehicles it +has to destroy in accordance with the agreement reached on +conventional arms reductions in Europe. Meanwhile, Greek +and Greek Cypriot officials are reported to have planned +to take ostentatious measures aimed at camouflaging the +transfer of these tanks and armored vehicles to southern +Cyprus, a process that will conflict with the spirit of +the agreement on conventional arms reduction in Europe. + +An acceptable method may certainly be found when there +is a will. But we know of various kinds of violent +behaviors ranging from physical attacks to the burning +of buildings. The rugs at the Amfia village mosque were +dragged out to the front of the building and burnt there. +Shots were fired on the mosque in the village of Aryana. + +Now wait, there is more. + + 'Greek Atrocities in the Vilayet of Smyrna (May to July 1919), Inedited + Documents and Evidence of English and French Officers,' Published by + The Permanent Bureau of the Turkish Congress at Lausanne, Lausanne, + Imprimerie Petter, Giesser & Held, Caroline, 5 (1919). + + pages 82-83: + +<< 1. The train going from Denizli to Smyrna was stopped at Ephesus + and the 90 Turkish travellers, men and women who were in it ordered + to descend. And there in the open street, under the eyes of their + husbands, fathers and brothers, the women without distinction of age + were violated, and then all the travellers were massacred. Amongst + the latter the Lieutenant Salih Effendi, a native of Tripoli, and a + captain whose name is not known, and to whom the Hellenic authorities + had given safe conduct, were killed with specially atrocious tortures. + + 2. Before the battle, the wife of the lawyer Enver Bey coming from + her garden was maltreated by Greek soldiers, she was even stript + of her garments and her servant Assie was violated. + + 3. The two tax gatherers Mustapha and Ali Effendi were killed in the + following manner: Their arms were bound behind their backs with wire + and their heads were battered and burst open with blows from the butt + end of a gun. + + 4. During the firing of the town, eleven children, six little girls + and five boys, fleeing from the flames, were stopped by Greek soldiers + in the Ramazan Pacha quarter, and thrown into a burning Jewish house + near bridge, where they were burnt alive. This fact is confirmed on oath + by the retired commandant Hussein Hussni Effendi who saw it. + + 5. The clock-maker Ahmed Effendi and his son Sadi were arrested and + dragged out of their shop. The son had his eyes put out and was then + killed in the court of the Greek Church, but Ahmed Effendi has been + no more heard of. + + 6. At the market, during the fire, two unknown people were wounded + by bayonets, then bound together, thrown into the fire and burnt alive. + + The Greeks killed also many Jews. These are the names of some: + + Moussa Malki, shoemaker killed + Bohor Levy, tailor killed + Bohor Israel, cobbler killed + Isaac Calvo, shoemaker killed + David Aroguete killed + Moussa Lerosse killed + Gioia Katan killed + Meryem Malki killed + Soultan Gharib killed + Isaac Sabah wounded + Moche Fahmi wounded + David Sabah wounded + Moise Bensignor killed + Sarah Bendi killed + Jacob Jaffe wounded + Aslan Halegna wounded....>> + +Serdar Argic + + 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that + might serve as ways of escape for the Turks + and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' + (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) + 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists + a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) + + +";15;True +"From: nestor+@cs.cmu.edu (Nestor F Michelena) +Subject: HELP!!: 0300FF error at power-up a Mac Plus +Nntp-Posting-Host: nestor.cimds.ri.cmu.edu +Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon +Lines: 7 + +I'm getting a sad Mac icon on a black screen with the error code 0300FF. +Could someone please tell me what's wrong? Memory? + +Thanks a lot. I'd appreciate it infinitely... + +Nestor Michelena + +";0;True +"From: nstramer@supergas.dazixco.ingr.com (Naftaly Stramer) +Subject: Re: Israel's Expansion +Nntp-Posting-Host: supergas +Reply-To: nstramer@dazixco.ingr.com +Organization: Intergraph Electronics +Lines: 34 + + +In article <18APR93.15729846.0076@VM1.MCGILL.CA>, B8HA000 writes: +>Just a couple of questions for the pro-Israeli lobby out there: +> +>1) Is Israel's occupation of Southern Lebanon temporary? For Mr. +>Stein: I am working on a proof for you that Israel is diverting +>water to the Jordan River (away from Lebanese territory). + +Yes. As long as the goverment over there can force some authority and prevent +terrorists attack against Israel. + +> +>2) Is Israel's occupation of the West Bank, Gaza, and Golan +>temporary? If so (for those of you who support it), why were so +>many settlers moved into the territories? If it is not temporary, +>let's hear it. + +Sinai had several big cities that were avcuated when isreal gave it back to +Egypth, but for a peace agreement. So it is my opinin that the settlers will not +be an obstacle for withdrawal as long it is combined with a real peace agreement +with the Arabs and the Palastinians. + +> +>Steve +> + + +Naftaly + +--- +Naftaly Stramer | Intergraph Electronics +Internet: nstramer@dazixco.ingr.com | 6101 Lookout Road, Suite A +Voice: (303)581-2370 FAX: (303)581-9972 | Boulder, CO 80301 +""Quality is everybody's job, and it's everybody's job to watch all that they can."" +";15;True +"From: adriene_nazaretian@qm.yale.edu (ALN - Go NY Giants!) +Subject: Re: RE: Win NT - what is it??? +Nntp-Posting-Host: gorgon.cis.yale.edu +Organization: Yale University; New Haven, Connecticut USA +Lines: 72 + +In article <16APR93.02170289@vax.clarku.edu>, rmohns@vax.clarku.edu says: +> +>In a previous article, alanchem@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Alan Scott Olson) wrote: +>>Two-part question: +>> +>>1) What is Windows NT - a 'real' windows OS? +>> +>>2) This past weekend, a local 'hacker' radio show metioned a new product +>> from Microsoft called 'Chicago' if I recall. Anyone know what this is? +>> +>>That is it - +>> +>>Thanks a heap. +>> +>>- Alan +> +>Windows NT is a giant Windows Operating System. Unline Win3.1, it does not +>run on top of DOS. It is its own OS, with (Billy Gates assures us) true +>multi-tasking/multithreading, meets DOD security specs, will run win3.1 +>programs as well as DOS programs, has multi-processor support, and is +>primarily a Server program. It's overhead is too high for it to be +>economical for most users. + +It also runs OS/2 character based apps and POSIX apps. The DOS, 16bit +and 32 bit windows apps run in a windows 32 bit subsystem. + +If you consider the fact that NT has: + the Lanman redirectors, + built in support for TCP/IP + built in support for NETBEUI + comes with TCP utils like ping and an ftp client, etc + applications like schedule+ and a 32 bit version of msmail + +the storage argument isnt an issue. + +> Speaking of overhead, it requires at least a 386 with 16 megs of RAM. +>It iwll run with 12, but that's like running OS/2 2.0 with 4 megs. And that's +>just to run it. Also, I have heard that the system files take up 30-50 Megs, +>and it is recommended that your drive be a half gig! The SKD is distributed +>on CD-ROM. +> + +I ran it on a 486 with 8MRAM and it did a ton of disk swapping, with a 19M +virtual memory paging file. It functioned but it crawled. (this was the OCT +build) + +I upgraded the machine to 16M and the performance is good, +At that point I installed the March Build. Consider they +are probably still working on the feature set, and havent done a lot of fine +tuning to the code yet. + +>Chicogo is what I want to use. It is, like NT, a true OS with thrue +>multitasking and multithreading, but has much smaller hardware requirements, +>and does not meet DOD security specs (but that's okay since it will probably +>be more of a client OS). there are a few otehr differences, but those are the +>main ones. There was an article about Chicogo in PC Week last August. +> The Chicogo and NT development groups at Micro$oft are in intense +>competition, so it is said. However, I think a different relationship will +>arise: NT will be the server (*N*etowrk *T*echonology), Chicogo will be the +>client machine. It is entirely possible for different OS's to work together, +>partly because Chicogo is just a small NT (think of it that way, anyway). +>(Novell Netware creates an OS on the server that is truly not DOS, so don't +>scorn the concept.) +> Anyway, don't expect it soon. Windows 4 and DOS 7 are supposed to be +>released next year (read: see it in 95), so I expect that Chicogo won't be out +>til '96. + +I have little info on Chicago so I cant make a comparison. Is it in Beta? Is +there anyone out there who has tested both and cares to make a comparison? +Just my $0.02 + +/ALN +";6;True +"From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) +Subject: Re: Constitutionality of 18 U.S.C 922(o) +Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc. +Lines: 53 +Distribution: usa +NNTP-Posting-Host: rocket.sw.stratus.com + +In article <1993Apr15.142322.1318@atlastele.com>, brians@atlastele.com (Brian Sheets) writes: +> You know, I was reading 18 U.S.C. 922 and something just did not make +> sence and I was wondering if someone could help me out. +> +> Say U.S.C. 922 : +> +> (1) Except as provided in paragraph (2), it shall be unlawful for +> any person to transfer or possess a machinegun. +> +> Well I got to looking in my law dictionary and I found that a ""person"" +> might also be an artificial entity that is created by government + ^^^^^ +> and has no rights under the federal constitution. So, what I +> don't understand is how a statute like 922 can be enforced on +> an individual. So someone tell me how my government can tell +> me what I can or cannot possess. Just passing a law + ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +> does not make it LAW. + ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +Sorry, but I really can't figure out what you're trying to say, above. + +> Everyone knows that laws are constitional +> until it goes to court. + +Not exactly: + +""An unconstitutional act is not law; it confers no rights; it imposes + no duties; affords no protection; it creates no office; it is in legal + contemplation, as inoperative as though it had never been passed."" + Norton vs. Shelby County, 118 US 425 p.442 + +""The general rule is that an unconstitutional statute, though having the + form and name of law, is in reality no law, but is wholly void, and + ineffective for any purpose; since unconstitutionality dates from the + time of it's enactment, and not merely from the date of the decision so + branding it."" + +""No on is bound to obey an uncontitutional law, and no courts are + bound to enforce it."" + 16 Am Jur 2d, Sec 177 + late 2d, Sec 256 + +> So, has it ever gone to court, not +> just your run of the mill ""Ok I had it I am guilty, put me in jail"" +> Has anyone ever claimed that they had a right to possess and was told +> by the Supreme Court that they didn't have that right? + +Automatic weapons? No. The Supreme Court has never heard such a case. +-- + +cdt@rocket.sw.stratus.com --If you believe that I speak for my company, +OR cdt@vos.stratus.com write today for my special Investors' Packet... + +";3;True +"From: jscotti@lpl.arizona.edu (Jim Scotti) +Subject: Re: Comet in Temporary Orbit Around Jupiter? +Organization: Lunar & Planetary Laboratory, Tucson AZ. +Lines: 33 + +In article <1993Apr21.170817.15845@sq.sq.com> msb@sq.sq.com (Mark Brader) writes: +> +>> > > Also, peri[jove]s of Gehrels3 were: +>> > > +>> > > April 1973 83 jupiter radii +>> > > August 1970 ~3 jupiter radii +> +>> > Where 1 Jupiter radius = 71,000 km = 44,000 mi = 0.0005 AU. ... +> +>> Sorry, _perijoves_...I'm not used to talking this language. +> +>Thanks again. One final question. The name Gehrels wasn't known to +>me before this thread came up, but the May issue of Scientific American +>has an article about the ""Inconstant Cosmos"", with a photo of Neil +>Gehrels, project scientist for NASA's Compton Gamma Ray Observatory. +>Same person? + +Neil Gehrels is Prof. Tom Gehrels son. Tom Gehrels was the discoverer +of P/Gehrels 3 (as well as about 4 other comets - the latest of which +does not bear his name, but rather the name ""Spacewatch"" since he was +observing with that system when he found the latest comet). + +>-- +>Mark Brader, SoftQuad Inc., Toronto ""Information! ... We want information!"" +>utzoo!sq!msb, msb@sq.com -- The Prisoner + +--------------------------------------------- +Jim Scotti +{jscotti@lpl.arizona.edu} +Lunar & Planetary Laboratory +University of Arizona +Tucson, AZ 85721 USA +--------------------------------------------- +";2;True +"From: drand@spinner.osf.org (Douglas S. Rand) +Subject: Re: Writing a Motif widget +In-Reply-To: nicholas@ibmpcug.co.uk's message of Thu, 22 Apr 1993 17:17:40 GMT +Organization: Open Software Foundation +Lines: 40 + +In article nicholas@ibmpcug.co.uk (Nicholas Young) writes: + + I need (probably) to write one or more new Motif widgets on the HP-UX + platform. Do I need the Motif private header files and source, + or can I make do with the public headers that are provided? + ""Motif"" includes Xt in this context. + +Yes. You'll find it almost impossible without the source +at this point. It does depend on how ambitious you are and +how concerned you are about compliance with the general +interface and items like traversal. + + One widget is a multi-column list (which lots of people have + already written, I am sure), and would therefore be probably be + a subclass of List rather than something simple like an Xt class. + Is this more difficult (in principle, not lines of code)? + +I'm not sure what you're asking. You could create something +which is very much like a true multi-column list by placing +several lists within a geometry manager, and putting that +manager within an automatic scrolled window. This wouldn't +be good for very large lists, but you might consider this +as an alternative. + + Alternatively, if anyone has a multi-column list widget they + could sell me, this might save me from having to write one! + Does it by any chance exist in Motif 1.2 already (I do not + yet have the spec)? + +Motif 1.2 does not have a multi-column list in it. Have you +looked at commercial sets? There are also some PD +widget sets, one of these might have a multi-column list +you could port. + + +-- +Douglas S. Rand OSF/Motif Dev. +Snail: 11 Cambridge Center, Cambridge, MA 02142 +Disclaimer: I don't know if OSF agrees with me... let's vote on it. +Amateur Radio: KC1KJ +";12;True +"From: krishnas@vax.oxford.ac.uk +Subject: RE: HELP ME INJECT... +Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620 +Lines: 12 + +The best way of self injection is to use the right size needle +and choose the correct spot. For Streptomycin, usually given intra +muscularly, use a thin needle (23/24 guage) and select a spot on +the upper, outer thigh (no major nerves or blood vessels there). +Clean the area with antiseptic before injection, and after. Make +sure to inject deeply (a different kind of pain is felt when the +needle enters the muscle - contrasted to the 'prick' when it +pierces the skin). + +PS: Try to go to a doctor. Self-treatment and self-injection should +be avoided as far as possible. + +";4;True +"From: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com (Dave Medin) +Subject: Pressure meter +Reply-To: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com +Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville AL +Lines: 21 + +Heise model 710A pressure meter. This is a precision 4-1/2 +digit meter measuring 0 - 15 PSI (absolute) in .001 psi +increments. Case is in extremely good shape, and can be used +as a stand-alone meter or panel mounted. Brass fitting (looks +like standard 3/8"") on back. Operates from 110 VAC. + +I'd like $50 for it, or make an offer. It is a lot more useful to +a lab than as an ersatz barometer, which is what I've been using +it for. + +-- +-------------------------------------------------------------------- + Dave Medin Phone: (205) 730-3169 (w) + SSD--Networking (205) 837-1174 (h) + Intergraph Corp. + M/S GD3004 Internet: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com + Huntsville, AL 35894 UUCP: ...uunet!ingr!b30!catbyte!dtmedin + + ******* Everywhere You Look (at least around my office) ******* + + * The opinions expressed here are mine (or those of my machine) +";8;True +"From: channui@austin.ibm.com (Christopher Chan-Nui) +Subject: Re: Two pointing devices in one COM-port? +Reply-To: channui@austin.ibm.com +Organization: IBM Austin +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] +Lines: 22 + +Bob Davis (sonny@trantor.harris-atd.com) wrote: +: In article , wil@shell.portal.com (Ville V Walveranta) writes: +: |> +: |> Is there any way to connect two pointing devices to one serial +: |> port? I haven't tried this but I believe they would interfere +: |> with each other (?) even if only one at a time would be used. + +: Just get an A-B switch for RS232. Look in Computer Shopper. +: They are available fairly cheap. They allow switching between two +: serial devices on a single port. + +Unfortunately the poster wants to use an internal and an external modem so a +switch isn't going to help them. If you aren't using your com ports for +anything else, just define them on different com ports. Define your internal +modem to be say, com1, and your external modem to be com3. You really +shouldn't have to worry about interrupt conflicts since you won't be using +both modems at the same time :). + +--- +Christopher Chan-Nui | Investment in reliability will increase until it +channui@austin.ibm.com | exceeds the probable cost of errors, or until someone +#include | insists on getting some useful work done. +";1;True +"From: steve-b@access.digex.com (Steve Brinich) +Subject: Re: Fighting the Clipper Initiative +Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA +Lines: 24 +NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net + +> > >As a flaming libertarian paranoid extremist (:-), I'at a loss for +> > >specific objections that don't sound frighteningly technical. +> > +> > The idea that foisting the Cripple Chip standard on US manufacturers would +> >result in saying ""Sayonara"" to yet another high-tech market isn't technical, +> >isn't in the least difficult to understand, and plays on a concern lots of +> >people are worried about already.... +> +> Could you expand on this...? + + + Simple -- if you have a choice between: + + 1. American manufacturers peddling Cripple Chips with a secret untested + algorithm whose keys are held by people with a history of untrustworthy + behavoir, or + + 2. Japanese (to pick the obvious example) manufacturers peddling encryption + chips with an algorithm that has faced public scrutiny and keys under + the control of the user, + +which would you choose? At most, the American government can deny this +choice to American citizens (and probably not that, if the glorious success +of the War on Drugs is any example); it can't do much about the global market. +";16;True +"From: jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Josh Hopkins) +Subject: Vandalizing the sky +Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana +Lines: 50 + +yamauchi@ces.cwru.edu (Brian Yamauchi) writes: + +>enzo@research.canon.oz.au (Enzo Liguori) writes: +>>WHAT'S NEW (in my opinion), Friday, 16 April 1993 Washington, DC + +>>1. SPACE BILLBOARDS! IS THIS ONE THE ""SPINOFFS"" WE WERE PROMISED? +>>In 1950, science fiction writer Robert Heinlein published ""The +>>Man Who Sold the Moon,"" which involved a dispute over the sale of +>>rights to the Moon for use as billboard. NASA has taken the firsteps toward this +>>hideous vision of the future. Observers were +>>startled this spring when a NASA launch vehicle arrived at the +>>pad with ""SCHWARZENEGGER"" painted in huge block letters on the +>>side of the booster rockets. Space Marketing Inc. had arranged +>>for the ad to promote Arnold's latest movie. + +>Well, if you're going to get upset with this, you might as well direct +>some of this moral outrage towards Glavcosmos as well. They pioneered +>this capitalist application of booster adverts long before NASA. + +In fact, you can all direct your ire at the proper target by ingoring NASA +altogether. The rocket is a commercial launch vechicle - a Conestoga flying +a COMET payload. NASA is simply the primary customer. I believe SDIO has a +small payload as well. The advertising space was sold by the owners of the +rocket, who can do whatever they darn well please with it. In addition, these +anonymous ""observers"" had no reason to be startled. The deal made Space News +at least twice. + +>>Now, Space Marketing +>>is working with University of Colorado and Livermore engineers on +>>a plan to place a mile-long inflatable billboard in low-earth +>>orbit. +>>NASA would provide contractual launch services. However, +>>since NASA bases its charge on seriously flawed cost estimates +>>(WN 26 Mar 93) the taxpayers would bear most of the expense. + +>>Is NASA really supporting this junk? + +>And does anyone have any more details other than what was in the WN +>news blip? How serious is this project? Is this just in the ""wild +>idea"" stage or does it have real funding? + +I think its only fair to find that out before everyone starts having a hissy +fit. The fact that they bothered to use the conditional tense suggests that +it has not yet been approved. + + +-- +Josh Hopkins jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu + ""Find a way or make one."" + -attributed to Hannibal +";2;True +"From: fmsalvat@eos.ncsu.edu (FRANK MICHAE SALVATORE) +Subject: Re: Get Real. Caps have no chance +Originator: fmsalvat@c00532-106ps.eos.ncsu.edu +Reply-To: fmsalvat@eos.ncsu.edu (FRANK MICHAE SALVATORE) +Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos +Lines: 15 + + +In article <1993Apr15.162719@staff.dccs.upenn.edu>, filinuk@staff.dccs.upenn.edu (Geoff Filinuk) writes: +] Anyone who really believes that the Caps can beat +> the Pens are kidding themselves. The Pens may not loose +> one game in the playoffs. + + +Let's be honest. The Pens may not 'loose' one game as you +put it, but they will definitely lose one game. Remember, +the regular season doesn't mean much when it comes to +playoff time. The Caps have a shot at least - the Flyers +sure don't + +Frank Salvatore +fmsalvat@eos.ncsu.edu +";13;True +"From: hdsteven@solitude.Stanford.EDU (H. D. Stevens) +Subject: Re: Proton/Centaur? +Organization: stanford +Lines: 59 + +In article <1993Apr21.190156.7769@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com>, dennisn@ecs.comm.mot.com (Dennis Newkirk) writes: +|> In article <1993Apr20.211638.168730@zeus.calpoly.edu> jgreen@trumpet.calpoly.edu (James Thomas Green) writes: +|> >Has anyone looked into the possiblity of a Proton/Centaur combo? +|> >What would be the benefits and problems with such a combo (other +|> >than the obvious instability in the XSSR now)? +|> +|> +|> The Centaur for the Altas is about 3 meters dia. and the Proton +|> is 4 so that's a good fit for their existing upper stage, the Block-D +|> which sets inside a shround just under 4 meters dia. I don't know about +|> launch loads, etc.. but since the Centaur survives Titan launches which +|> are probably worse than the Proton (those Titan SRB's probably shake things +|> up pretty good) it seems feasible. EXCEPT, the Centaur is a very fragile +|> thing and may require integration on the pad which is not available now. +|> Protons are assembled and transported horizontially. Does anyone know +|> how much stress in the way of a payload a Centaur could support while +|> bolted to a Proton horizontally and then taken down the rail road track +|> and erected on the pad? + +The Centaur that is being built for T4 would be a better bet to integrate +onto the Proton as the T4/Centaur is designed for the Extremely Harsh +envorinment of the T4 launch. It is also closer to 4 m in diameter. + +You've hit on the real kicker, however. The Centaur is pressure stabilized. +It cannot hold up its own weight without pressure in the tanks. Additionally, +the pressure difference between the two tanks must be maintained to ~+/- 5 psi. +That is rather tight to be rocking and rolling on the train. The pressure +stabilization is how centaur achieves the performance. On numerous occasions +(when I was there 88-91) the AF wanted to see what it would take to make +a non-pressure stabilized centaur. The answer -- a centaur not worth launching. + +The Atlas/Centaur does not require on-pad integration, however the T4/Centaur +does. I believe the on-pad integration is to a great extent due to the +cleanliness requirements and PFL configuration, so maybe something can be +done there........ + + +|> +|> They would also need LOX and LH facilities added to the Proton pads +|> (unless the new Proton second stage is actually built), and of course +|> any Centaur support systems and facilities, no doubt imported from the +|> US at great cost. These systems may viloate US law so there are political +|> problems to solve in addition to the instabilities in the CIS you mention. + +The addition of LOX/LH facilities is critical as the centaur tops off as it +lifts off. A LHe facility is also needed. I don't know what the proton uses +for fuel, but since they are derived from ICBM's I would suspect that they +use storable propellants which don't have the ullage problem that cryo's +do. If there is no cryo at the sight at all, the addition of these systems +could be big $$, not to mention the real tech transfer issues involved with +providing centaur GSE to Russia. That issue alone might be enough to kill +this idea. + +-- +H.D. Stevens +Stanford University Email:hdsteven@sun-valley.stanford.edu +Aerospace Robotics Laboratory Phone: (415) 725-3293 (Lab) +Durand Building (415) 722-3296 (Bullpen) +Stanford, CA 94305 Fax: (415) 725-3377 +";2;True +"From: ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck) +Subject: Re: Happy Easter! +Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia +Lines: 23 +NNTP-Posting-Host: joesbar.cc.vt.edu +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] + +Karen Black (karen@angelo.amd.com) wrote: +: ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck) writes: +: >Nick Pettefar (npet@bnr.ca) wrote: +: >: English cars:- +: > +: >: Rover, Reliant, Morgan, Bristol, Rolls Royce, etc. +: > ^^^^^^ +: > Talk about Harleys using old technology, these +: >Morgan people *really* like to use old technology. + +: Well, if you want to pick on Morgan, why not attack its ash (wood) +: frame or its hand-bent metal skin (just try and get a replacement :-)). +: I thought the kingpost suspension was one of the Mog's better features. + +Hey! I wasn't picking on Morgan. They use old technology. That's all +I said. There's nothing wrong with using old technology. People still +use shovels to dig holes even though there are lots of new powered implements +to dig holes with. +-- +******************************************************************************* +* Bill Ranck (703) 231-9503 Bill.Ranck@vt.edu * +* Computing Center, Virginia Polytchnic Inst. & State Univ., Blacksburg, Va. * +******************************************************************************* +";7;True +"From: mont@netcom.com (Mont Pierce) +Subject: Re: 8051 Microcontroller +Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) +Lines: 31 + +In article <1qppr5INNaqa@dns1.NMSU.Edu> mcole@spock (COLE) writes: +>I would like to experiment with the INTEL 8051 family. Does anyone out +>there know of any good FTP sites that might have compiliers, assemblers, +>etc.? + +Well, it's not an FTP site, but I got an 800 number for Signetics BBS. + +The Signetics BBS contain some pretty good items for the 8051. I am +currently using the following files which I downloaded from them: + + ml-asm51.zip MetaLink's 8051 family macro assembler + bootstrp.zip Hex file Load-and-Go using 8051 uart + (allows you to download your program into a RAM + and then execute from RAM. Works great. Tell + me if you want more details). + tutor51.zip TSR for 8051 feature help screens + +They have lots of coding examples, assemblers, and misc. tools. + +Signetics BBS numbers are: (800) 451-6644 + (408) 991-2406 + +Have fun, +-- +Mont Pierce + ++-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +| Ham Call: KM6WT Internet: mont@netcom.com | +| bands: 80/40/20/15/10/2 IBM vnet: mont@vnet.ibm.com | +| modes: cw,ssb,fm | ++-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +";11;True +"From: dcoleman@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Daniel M. Coleman) +Subject: Re: Can't get 1280x1024 to work w/2M ATI Ultra Pro +Article-I.D.: geraldo.1quf75$qv1 +Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas +Lines: 26 +NNTP-Posting-Host: flubber.cc.utexas.edu + +In article <1993Apr19.144814.17736@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> mancus@sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov (Keith Mancus) writes: +> I am unable to get my Gateway 486DX2/66 to run Windows +>in 1280x1024. I ordered a 2M ATI Ultra Pro, and I'm pretty +>sure the 2M is really there because I *can* select +>1024x768x65536. But no matter what I do with the Flex program +>in the ATI's program group, 1280x1024 remains ghosted out. +>I have Windows 3.1, build 59 of the drivers, DOS 5.0. The +>drivers were installed by Gateway, not by me, so perhaps there's +>a file missing from the hard drive. It runs 1024x768 just fine. +> I did go into the Desktop window and select 1280x1024. Sometimes +>it refuses (ghosted out), other time it accepts it, but when I hit +>OK and re-enter Desktop, it's back to 1024x768. At no time does +>it unghost 1280x1024 in the main Flex window. Help! + +Maybe you need to go into \mach32\install and set a refresh rate for +1280x1024. You might need to use custom monitor option. + +Dan + + +-- +Daniel Matthew Coleman | Internet: dcoleman@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu +-----------------------------------+---------- : dcoleman@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu +The University of Texas at Austin | DECnet: UTXVMS::DCOLEMAN +Electrical/Computer Engineering | BITNET: DCOLEMAN@UTXVMS [.BITNET] +-----------------------------------+------------------------------------------ +";5;True +"From: kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star) +Subject: Re: Mr. Cramer's 'Evidence' +Organization: Astronomy Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA +Lines: 36 + +In article phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) writes: + +>In article <1993Apr13.121723.20568@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> +gsmith@lauren.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de (Gene W. Smith) writes: + +>>When are Libertarians going to draw a clear line between +>>themselves and NAMBLA? By your own statements, you were once +>>a member of an organization which you *knew* supported +>>exactly what NAMBLA supports, namely abolishing the age of +>>consent. I've never supported any such organization. YOU +>>have. + +>While both organizations may, on paper, support the abolition of the age +>of consent, there the resemblance stops. + +>One supports the removal of a coercive law, the other a paper facade +>to ""legitimize"" sexual relations with children. + +What's the difference, in practice? + +It amounts to your saying, it's disgusting but should be legal, + +***or*** + +someone else saying, let's allow the parties involved to decide what is +disgusting. + +Or, if you're like me, you think that it ISN'T a coercive law, because +some children can't make informed consent. + +Brian +------------------------------------------------------------------------------ +kane@{buast7,astro}.bu.edu (Hot Young Star) Astronomy Dept, Boston University, +Boston, MA 02215. True personal salvation is achieved by absolute faith in +ones true self. +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= +";18;True +"From: mvanheyn@cs.indiana.edu (Marc VanHeyningen) +Subject: RIPEM Frequently Asked Questions +Article-I.D.: usenet.C4qoA0.CA6 +Expires: Thu, 20 May 1993 00:00:00 GMT +Organization: Computer Science, Indiana University +Lines: 360 +Content-Type: text/x-usenet-FAQ; version=1.0; title=""RIPEM FAQ"" +Originator: mvanheyn@silver.ucs.indiana.edu +Nntp-Posting-Host: silver.ucs.indiana.edu +Mime-Version: 1.0 + +Archive-name: ripem/faq +Last-update: 31 Mar 93 22:00:00 -0500 + +ABOUT THIS POSTING +------------------ +This is a listing of likely questions and information about RIPEM, a +program for public key mail encryption. It (this FAQ, not RIPEM) was +written and will be maintained by Marc VanHeyningen +. It will be posted to a variety of +newsgroups on a monthly basis; follow-up discussion specific to RIPEM +is redirected to the group alt.security.ripem. + +WHAT'S NEW +---------- +I am now running a World Wide Web archive of RIPEM information. It +does not contain much of anything that isn't available elsewhere, but +it has convenient pointers to the most current version of this FAQ and +some other stuff. The URL is ""http://cs.indiana.edu/ripem/dir.html"". + +This month's version has a fair amount of new pointers to information +on patents and stuff like that. I've also reordered a few things to +have a more sensible ordering. I hope I don't have to edit this again +soon. :-) + +DISCLAIMER +---------- +Nothing in this FAQ should be considered legal advice, or anything +other than one layperson's opinion. If you want real legal advice, +talk to a real lawyer, preferably one with experience in patent law, +export regulations, or whatever area of law is in question. + +LIST OF QUESTIONS +----------------- +1) What is RIPEM? +2) How can I get RIPEM? +3) Will RIPEM run on my machine? +4) Will RIPEM work with my mailer? +5) What is RSA? +6) What is DES? +7) What is a fingerprint, like MD5? +8) What is PEM? +9) What's this about distributing and authenticating keys? +10) Isn't it a bad idea to use patented algorithms in standards like PEM? +11) What about RSADSI/PKP? +12) Why do all RIPEM public keys look very similar? +13) What is PGP? +14) What about RPEM? +15) What is MIME? +16) What is TIS/PEM? +17) I have this simple way to defeat the security of RIPEM... + +QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS +--------------------- + +1) What is RIPEM? + + RIPEM is a (not yet complete, but useful) implementation of Privacy + Enhanced Mail (PEM). RIPEM allows your electronic mail to have the + four security facilities provided by PEM: disclosure protection + (optional), originator authenticity, message integrity measures, and + non-repudiation of origin (always). (See: ""What is PEM?"") + + RIPEM was written primarily by Mark Riordan . + Most of the code is in the public domain, except for the RSA routines, + which are a library called RSAREF licensed from RSA Data Security Inc. + + The current version of RIPEM is 1.0.5; the current version of the + Macintosh port of RIPEM is 0.7. + +2) How can I get RIPEM? + + RIPEM uses the library of cryptographic routines RSAREF, which is + considered munitions and thus is export-restricted from distribution + to persons who are not citizens or permanent residents in the U.S or + Canada without an export license. No such license has been obtained + (nor would one likely be granted unless the RSA key exchange were + shortened to 512 bits and the symmetric cipher changed to something + weaker than DES. There are some suggestions that this situation may + change now that Clinton is in office.) The author requests in the + README file that this law not be violated: + + #Please do not export the cryptographic code in this distribution + #outside of the USA or Canada. This is a personal request from me, + #the author of RIPEM, and a condition of your use of RIPEM. + + Note that RSAREF is not in the public domain, and a license for it is + included with the distribution. You should read it before using + RIPEM. + + RIPEM is available via anonymous FTP to citizens and permanent + residents in the U.S. from rsa.com; cd to rsaref/ and read the README + file for info. Note that the non-RSAREF portion of RIPEM is not a + product of RSA Data Security, Incorporated; they merely are helping + distribute it. + + RIPEM, as well as some other crypt stuff, has its ""home site"" on + ripem.msu.edu, which is open to non-anonymous FTP for users in the + U.S. and Canada who are citizens or permanent residents. To find out + how to obtain access, FTP there, cd to pub/crypt/, and read the file + GETTING_ACCESS. For convenience, binaries for many architectures are + available here in addition to the full source tree. + +3) Will RIPEM run on my machine? + + Probably. It has already been ported to MS-DOS and most flavors of + Unix (SunOS, NeXT, Linux, AIX, ULTRIX, Solaris, etc.) Ports to + Macintosh include a standard UNIX-style port and a rather nice + Mac-like port written by Raymond Lau, author of StuffIt. More ports + are expected, and help of users is invited. + +4) Will RIPEM work with my mailer? + + Probably. How easy and clean the effective interface is will depend + on the sophistication and modularity of the mailer, though. The users + guide, included with the distribution, discusses ways to use RIPEM + with many popular mailers, including Berkeley, mush, Elm, and MH. + Code is also included in elisp to allow easy use of RIPEM inside GNU + Emacs. + + If you make a new interface for RIPEM or create an improvement on one + in the distribution which you believe is convenient to use, secure, + and may be useful to others, feel free to post it to alt.security.ripem. + +5) What is RSA? + + RSA is a crypto system which is asymmetric, or public-key. This means + that there are two different, related keys: one to encrypt and one to + decrypt. Because one cannot (reasonably) be derived from the other, + you may publish your encryption, or public, key widely and keep your + decryption, or private, key to yourself. Anyone can use your public + key to encrypt a message, but only you hold the private key needed to + decrypt it. Note that the ""message"" sent with RSA is normally just + the DES key to the real plaintext. (See ""What is DES?"") + + Note that the above only provides for disclosure protection. For + originator authenticity, message integrity, and non-repudiation of + origin services to be implemented, the fingerprint of the message + (See ""What is a fingerprint, like MD5?"") is encrypted with the + sender's private key. The recipient, or a dispute-resolving + authority, can use the sender's public key to decrypt it and confirm + that the message must have come from the sender and was not altered. + + RSA was named for the three men (Rivest, Shamir and Adleman) who + invented it. To find out lots more about RSA and modern cryptography + in general, ftp to rsa.com and look in pub/faq/. Some information + also may be in sci.crypt. + +6) What is DES? + + DES is the Data Encryption Standard, a widely used symmetric, or + secret-key, crypto system. Unlike RSA, DES uses the same key to + encrypt and decrypt messages. However, DES is much faster than RSA. + + RIPEM uses both DES and RSA; it generates a random key and encrypts + your mail with DES using that key. It then encrypts that key with the + recipient's public RSA key and includes the result in the letter, + allowing the recipient to recover the DES key. + + DES is sometimes considered weak because it is somewhat old and uses a + key length considered too short by modern standards. However, it + should be reasonably safe against an opponent smaller than a large + corporation or government agency. It is not likely that the PEM + standard will incorporate support for other symmetric ciphers in the + near future, because there is a strong feeling that PEM should be + stable so it can become utilized widely without early problems with + interoperability. + +7) What is a fingerprint, like MD5? + + MD5 is a message digest algorithm produced by RSA Data Security Inc. + It provides a 128-bit fingerprint, or cryptographically secure hash, + of the plaintext. It is cryptographically secure because it is not + possible (in a reasonable amount of computation) to produce a + different plaintext which produces the same fingerprint. Thus, + instead of signing the entire message with the sender's private key, + only the MD5 of the message needs to be signed for authentication. + + MD5s can also be exchanged directly for authentication; for example, + RIPEM public keys include an MD5 of the public key in the file, so + parties wishing to confirm their keys are authentic via a separate + channel merely need exchange MD5s of keys and verify their accuracy. + + MD5 is sometimes used for other purposes; for example, it is often + used to map an input of arbitrary length to 128 bits of data, as a + passphrase interpreter or cookie generator. + + MD5 is described in its entirety (including an implementation in C) in + RFC 1321. + + There have been some recent suggestions that MD5 may not be as strong + a hash as was originally believed; presumably some other hash + function will be used if this is accepted as true. + +8) What is PEM? + + PEM is Privacy Enhanced Mail, a standard for allowing transfer of + encrypted electronic mail generated over a long period of time by a + working group of experts. It is described in RFCs 1421-1424; these + documents have been approved and obsolete the old RFCs 1113-1115. + + RIPEM is not really a complete implementation of PEM, because PEM + specifies certificates for authenticating keys, which RIPEM does not + handle at this time. Their addition is planned. + +9) What's this about distributing and authenticating keys? + + For a remote user to be able to send secure mail to you, she must know + your public key. For you to be able to confirm that the message + received came from her, you must know her public key. It is important + that this information be accurate; if a ""bad guy"" convinces her that + his key is in fact yours, she will send messages which he can read. + + RIPEM allows for three methods of key management: a central server, + the distributed finger servers, and a flat file. All three are + described in the RIPEM users guide which is part of the distribution. + None of them provide perfect security. The PEM standard calls for + key management by certificates; the addition of this feature to RIPEM + is planned, but chicken-egg issues still exist. + +10) Isn't it a bad idea to use patented algorithms in standards like PEM? + + This issue has been considered in the standards process. RFC 1310, + the specification for Internet standards, has a discussion (section + 6) on what specifications for nondiscriminatory availability must be + met for a patented method to be included in a standard. RFC 1421 + addresses this issue with regard to the patents covering public-key + cryptography. + + This does not, of course, mean that all questions are settled or that + everyone is in agreement. An interesting exchange on the use of + patented algorithms in standards with regard to public-key + cryptography is in the League for Programming Freedom archive + (available via FTP: ftp.uu.net:/doc/lpf) in the files bidzos.letter + and bidzos.response. (Amusingly, the LPF files on ftp.uu.net are + compressed with a patented algorithm.) + +11) What about RSADSI/PKP? + + RSA Data Security, Inc. (RSADSI) is a California-based company + specializing in cryptographic technologies. Public Key Partners is a + firm which holds exclusive sub-licensing rights of the following U.S. + patents and all of their corresponding foreign patents: + + Cryptographic Apparatus and Method + (""Diffie-Hellman"")............................... No. 4,200,770 + + Public Key Cryptographic Apparatus + and Method (""Hellman-Merkle"").................... No. 4,218,582 + + Cryptographic Communications System and + Method (""RSA"")................................... No. 4,405,829 + + Exponential Cryptographic Apparatus + and Method (""Hellman-Pohlig"").................... No. 4,424,414 + + PKP claims these four patents cover all known methods of public key + cryptography. The two businesses are rather closely related (for + example, the same person, Jim Bidzos, is president of both of them.) + PKP has licensed this technology to a considerable number of + companies (IBM, DEC, Motorola, AT&T, Lotus...) for use in their + products. PKP has also threatened and filed lawsuits defending their + patents. + + RIPEM was originally created with no connection to RSADSI other than + its use of the RSAREF library, and for no reason other than its + author's desire to see widespread use of public-key cryptography. + However, after the ball started rolling, people at RSADSI got + interested. RSADSI decided to carry RIPEM on its FTP site, and some + people there started making their own RIPEM keys and contributing + code. RIPEM even won the ""Best Application Built on RSAREF in 1992"" + award. + +12) Why do all RIPEM public keys look very similar? + + RIPEM public keys begin with a PKCS (Public-Key Cryptography + Standards) identifier describing various characteristics about the + key, so the first bunch of characters in your key may be the same as + those of lots of other people's keys. This does not mean your keys + are similar, but only that they are the same class of key, were + generated with the same program, are of the same length, etc. + +13) What is PGP? + + PGP is another cryptographic mail program called Pretty Good Privacy. + PGP has been around longer than RIPEM, and works somewhat differently. + PGP is not compatible with RIPEM in any way, though PGP does also use RSA. + + A few major differences between PGP and RIPEM: + + - PGP has more key management features, particularly for users without + a direct network connection. + + - RIPEM conforms to the PEM RFCs and thus has a greater probability + of working with other PEM software. PGP makes no attempt to be + compatible with anything other than itself. + + - RIPEM uses RSAREF, a library of RSA routines from RSADSI which + comes with a license allowing noncommercial use. PGP uses its own + implementation of RSA. PKP claims that it is a violation of its + patents to ""make, use or sell"" PGP in the U.S. or Canada without + either a license or written permission. (See: ""DISCLAIMER"") + (See: ""What about RSADSI/PKP?"") Phil Zimmermann, the author of + PGP, stopped distributing it after being threatened with legal + action; he believed that a licensing scheme could be arranged, but + it hasn't happened and there seems little prospect of it happening + in the future. He acknowledges in the PGP User's Guide: + + #In fact, if you live in the USA, and you are not a Federal agency, + #you shouldn't actually run PGP on your computer, because Public + #Key Partners wants to forbid you from running my software. PGP is + #contraband. + + - Both PGP and RIPEM are export-restricted, and cannot be sent outside + the U.S. and Canada without an export license. However, PGP + already exists on many ftp sites in Europe and other places. + + Whether you use PGP or RIPEM or whatever, the documentation to PGP is + recommended reading to anyone interested in such issues. + Unfortunately, it's not distributed separately from the program, + which can be difficult to find in the U.S. on FTP sites due to + liability concerns. + +14) What about RPEM? + + RPEM stands for Rabin Privacy Enhanced Mail. It was similar to RIPEM, + but used a public-key cipher invented by Rabin (which is not RSA) in + an attempt to avoid the patents on public-key systems. It was + written by Mark Riordan, who later wrote RIPEM. + + Its distribution was halted when, contrary to the beliefs of many + (including Rabin), PKP claimed that their patents were broad enough + to cover the cipher employed. This claim is not universally + accepted, but was not challenged for pragmatic reasons. + + RPEM is not really used anymore. It is not compatible with RIPEM or PGP. + +15) What is MIME? + + MIME stands for Multipurpose Internet Mail Extensions, and is + described in RFC 1341. You can find out about it in the newsgroup + comp.mail.mime; a FAQ exists on it. How PEM should interact with + MIME is not yet entirely clear; some people use the stopgap solution + of having a MIME type application/x-ripem in order to send RIPEM + messages as MIME ones. I hope some standards will emerge. Draft + Internet documents exist on the matter. + +16) What is TIS/PEM? + + Trusted Information Systems is working on a version of Privacy + Enhanced Mail for general availability. Last I heard, it was + rumored to be integrated into an existing mail user agent (MH) + rather than a stand-alone system, and in beta test. I don't know + much more than that. + +17) I have this simple way to defeat the security of RIPEM... + + You may wish to check the companion post ""ripem-attacks"" which + discusses some of the more obvious attacks on RIPEM's security and + what procedures will minimize the risk. RIPEM's main ""weak area"" is + probably key distribution. +";16;True +"From: mlee@post.RoyalRoads.ca (Malcolm Lee) +Subject: Re: A KIND and LOVING God!! +Organization: Royal Roads Military College, Victoria, B.C. +Lines: 39 + + +In article , sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes: +|> In article <1993Apr19.165717.25790@ra.royalroads.ca>, +|> mlee@post.RoyalRoads.ca (Malcolm Lee) wrote: +|> > +|> > It is true what you stated above: Jesus' saving grace is available to +|> > everyone, not just Jews. In other words, everyone can have salvation but +|> > not everyone will. This option is now open to people other than just +|> > Jews. Of course, if the Jews don't accept the deity of Christ, I would +|> > hardly expect them to accept anything that Christ said. But I don't feel +|> > any animosity towards them. Even though they persecuted Jesus and his +|> > disciples and eventually crucified Him, I bear them no ill will. If anything, +|> > I feel pity for them. Jesus had to die to pay the price for our sins and +|> > so the Jews were merely fulfilling prophesy. Jesus knew He had to die even +|> > before He began His ministry. That demonstrates the great depth of His love +|> > for us. +|> +|> Jesus certainly demonstrated the great depth of his love for the +|> children who died today at the Davidian complex. +|> +|> Sorry, but the events today made me even more negative concering +|> organized religion. +|> + +I understand and sympathize with your pain. What happened in Waco was a very +sad tradgedy. Don't take it out on us Christians though. The Branch +Davidians were not an organized religion. They were a cult led by a ego-maniac +cult leader. The Christian faith stands only on the shoulders of one man, +the Lord of Lords and King of Kings, Jesus Christ. BTW, David Koresh was NOT +Jesus Christ as he claimed. + +God be with you, + +Malcolm Lee :) + +|> Cheers, +|> Kent +|> --- +|> sandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net. +";19;True +"From: starowl@rahul.net (Michael D. Adams) +Subject: Re: 14 Apr 93 God's Promise in 1 John 1: 7 +Reply-To: starowl@rahul.net +Organization: Southeast Alabama Society of Warm and Fuzzy Star Worshippers +Lines: 14 +Nntp-Posting-Host: bolero +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] + +On 15 Apr 1993 22:34:40 GMT, Eric Sieferman observed: + +: Christian: washed in the blood of the lamb. +: Mithraist: washed in the blood of the bull. + +: If anyone in .netland is in the process of devising a new religion, +: do not use the lamb or the bull, because they have already been +: reserved. Please choose another animal, preferably one not +: on the Endangered Species List. + +How about ""washed in the blood of Barney the Dinosaur""? :) + +-- +Michael D. Adams (starowl@a2i.rahul.net) +";19;True +"Organization: University of Maine System +From: Ryan Robbins +Subject: Re: DESIGNATED HITTER RULE + <1993Apr5.153407.19101@hpcvaac.cv.hp.com> +Lines: 8 + +Actually, there can be any number of players on a side. You can +have a 25-man roster, a 40-man roster, etc.... + +Ryan Robbins +Penobscot Hall +University of Maine + +IO20456@Maine.Maine.Edu +";14;True +"From: alf@st.nepean.uws.edu.au (Andrew Leahy) +Subject: Running dxterm's onto Apollo from DEC 5000/240 +Organization: University of Western Sydney, Nepean +X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4 +Lines: 36 + + +Help! + +I'm trying to run dxterm's (DECs' xterm) on a DECstation 5000/240 +(Ultrix 4.3, X11R4, Motif 1.1.3) with the DISPLAY variable set to an +Apollo DN2500 (Domain/OS 10.3, X11R4, Motif ?.?). + +I get these errors appearing on the DECstation: + +> dxterm +X Toolkit Warning: Cannot convert string ""apCharDel "" to type VirtualBinding +X Toolkit Warning: Cannot convert string ""apCopy "" to type VirtualBinding +X Toolkit Warning: Cannot convert string ""apCut "" to type VirtualBinding +X Toolkit Warning: Cannot convert string ""apPaste "" to type VirtualBinding +X Toolkit Warning: Cannot convert string ""apUpBox "" to type VirtualBinding +X Toolkit Warning: Cannot convert string ""apDownBox "" to type VirtualBinding +X Toolkit Warning: Cannot convert string ""apRightBar "" to type VirtualBinding +X Toolkit Warning: Cannot convert string ""apLeftBar "" to type VirtualBinding +Segmentation fault +> + +Any ideas? Is it a Motif problem...are the DEC and Apollo versions of Motif +incompatible? Or something to do with XKeysymDB? + +(xterms run fine on DEC displaying on Apollo..arggh) + +I need to run dxterm because the package we are using on the DEC's, Oracle Case, +uses dxterm by default, and we have a lab of Apollo workstations we would like +to run Oracle from. + +Andrew ""Alf"" Leahy, alf@st.nepean.uws.edu.au +-- +__________________________________________________________________________ +Andrew ""Alf"" Leahy phone: (047) 360771 (W) irc: pepsi-alf +Uni. Western Sydney, Nepean. Remote-email: alf@st.nepean.uws.edu.au +Sydney, Australia. Local-email: alf +";12;True +"From: welty@cabot.balltown.cma.COM (richard welty) +Subject: rec.autos: Welcome to to the new reader +Keywords: Monthly Posting +Reply-To: welty@balltown.cma.com +Organization: New York State Institute for Sebastian Cabot Studies +Expires: Thu, 20 May 1993 04:00:05 GMT +Lines: 269 + +Archive-name: rec-autos/part1 + +[most recent changes, 15 March 1993: addition of alt.autos.karting -- rpw] + + === Welcome to Rec.Autos.* === + +This article is sent out automatically each month, and contains a general +description of the purpose of each of the automotive newsgroups, and +some suggested guidelines for discussions. The keywords `Monthly Posting' +will always appear to make killing this article easy for users of +newsreaders with kill facilities. This article is posted to all autos +groups, but followups are directed only to rec.autos. If you don't +understand what this means, ask your system administrator for help, or at +least for copies of the newuser documentation. Failing that, please +subscribe to the newsgroup news.announce.newusers and read the +documentation provided there. + +Introduction to the Rec.Autos newsgroup hierarchy: + +rec.autos.tech + +is intended for technical discussions of automobiles, their design, +construction, diagnosis, and service. Other discussions are largely +inappropriate, especially For Sale ads. + +rec.autos.sport + +is intended for discussion of legal, organized competition involving +automobiles. Technical discussions are appropriate insofar as they apply +to competition vehicles. Discussion from either of two viewpoints, +spectator and participant, is encouraged. Arguments about sports cars are +largely inappropriate, as are most other discussions. For Sale ads are +inappropriate unless they are for competition vehicles and/or equipment. +Discussions of illegal events are marginal; one should probably avoid +advocating breaking the law. (remember, the FBI reads Usenet!) + +rec.autos.driving + +is intended for discussions related to the driving of automobiles. +Also, if you must discuss 55 vs. 65, or radar detectors, or boneheads, do it here. + +rec.autos.vw + +is intended for discussion of issues related to the use and ownership +of automobiles manufactured by Volkswagen (this includes VWs, Audis, +Seats, etc.) It was created on the grounds that the info-vw mailing +list was very successful. It should not be presumed from the existence +of this group that it is appropriate to create many groups to cover many +different marques; groups specific to individual marques should only be +created on demonstration of sufficient interest, via some avenue such as +a mailing list. + +rec.audio.car + +is not properly part of the rec.autos.* hierarchy. it is, however, +the correct place for discussion of automotive audio equipment, and +so is mentioned here. + +rec.autos.antique + +is intended for the discussion of older cars (usually more than 25 years +old, although this is not a hard-and-fast rule.) + +alt.hotrod + +is not part of the hierarchy, but also of potential interest to the +rec.autos reader. it is gatewayed to the moderated hotrod mailing +list, and is for serious discussion of modifying and developing +performance vehicles. + +alt.autos.rod-n-custom + +also not part of the `official' hierarchy; devoted to that peculiar +American hobby of customizing older cars. + +alt.autos.karting + +for the discussion of the popular motorsport and hobby, karting. + +rec.autos + +is intended to capture discussion on all other automotive topics. + + +Crossposting: + +Crossposting occurs when more than one newsgroup name is included on +the Newsgroups: line in the article header; such articles will appear +in all of the newsgroups listed. + +Crossposting is one of the most misunderstood and misused facilities on +Usenet. You should only post to a group because you feel an article is +appropriate; you should NEVER crosspost just to reach a particular +audience. This distinction is subtle, but important. Radar Detector +articles, for example, are more-or-less appropriate in rec.autos. They are +almost never appropriate in sci.electronics or rec.ham-radio, and the fact +that you might want to reach the audience in sci.electronics or +rec.ham-radio is NOT adequate justification for posting to either group. + +Crossposting between any or all of the rec.autos.* groups is usually +inappropriate; if you find yourself doing so, consider whether or not it is +truly advisable, before sending your article. Consider setting Followup-To: +to point to only one newsgroup if you feel you must crosspost. + +Crossposting between rec.autos.* and misc.consumers is chancy at best; in +particular flame wars over the speed limit in the US and/or the use of +radar detectors should NEVER be crossposted between any of these groups. + +Most readers of sci.electronics and rec.radio.* couldn't care less about +the police radar and radar detector arguments that go on endlessly in +rec.autos. + +It is an excellent idea to check the Newsgroups: and Followup-to: lines of +articles before posting a followup. In particular, be wary of posting to +misc.test, rec.arts.startrek.*, or talk.bizarre, or any combination of these +three. The life you save may be your own. + +Distribution: + +There is a field in the header of any news article which allows you to +(partially) control where the article goes; it is called the Distribution +field. It may be very useful for many reasons; it should also serve +as a reminder that news is a very large and widespread system. + +The distribution of rec.autos.* is fairly extensive. As of this writing, +the Automotive newsgroups are known to reach most of Europe, Australia, +New Zealand, and some locations in Japan. With this in mind, I offer the +following hints about use of the Distribution: field in your article +headers, and on article content. + +1) Please take care not to send for-sale ads about clapped out Ford +Mavericks in New Jersey to France or California; i doubt that anyone in +either place will care, except for my girlfriend, who for some strange +reason likes Mavericks (but only 4-door Mavericks, at that.) + +2) When posting technical questions, please include the market for which +your car was manufactured. For example, there are a number of differences +between a European-market Ford Escort and a US-market Escort. Likewise, +all 1750cc and early 2000cc Alfa Romeos reached the US with Spica Fuel +injection; European market cars usually got carbs (often Webers). These +differences can be important to your readers; make your situation clear. +Failure to do so can lead to pointless flame wars and a significant +spread of misinformation. + +3) Be careful about your capacities and specifications when posting; +in the US we get a mix of Metric and English system values, whereas +Europe is almost entirely on the Metric system. A future edition +of this monthly posting will contain a list of commonly-used +abbreviations that may not be known in some places that rec.autos +reaches; this cuts both ways so let us not be parochial about it. + +4) Use the Distribution: field to limit where your article goes, when +possible. Within North America, the values na (north america), can +(canada), and usa may be used. in addition, the two-letter state +abbreviations of the US are supported in some cases; e.g. if i wanted +to send an article only to New York and New Jersey, i could put +""ny,nj"" in a Distribution field. note that multiple, comma-separated +values are legal. these distribution fields vary widely, however, so +you should check with your local sysadmin to find out what is likely +to be supported in your area. + +The Dangers of Overgeneralization: + +To amplify a warning from the distribution section of this article: +Be wary of making foolish assumptions about all cars, tires, etc. What is +true for a 1973 Buick with a 455cid engine may be quite utterly wrong for a +1976 Honda with a 1200cc engine. Headlight laws in Sweden are decidedly +different from those in Idaho. + +The Need for Adequate Specification: + +When you ask a question, please give a reasonable amount of information; +e.g., if you have a question about your Honda, please specify year, +model, engine size, etc. Otherwise, most answers to your question may be +quite useless. + + +Concerning Lemons: + +At one time or another, every auto manufacturer has manufactured a lemon or +two; even Honda admits to this. Please don't waste everyone's time by +announcing to the world that your `brand x' automobile is terrible, so all +`brand x' automobiles are terrible, so no one should ever buy a car from +the `brand x' company. Such articles are worse than useless, because they +cause substantial wasted bandwidth while carrying little or no useful +information. + + +Concerning Flames: + +As much as we might wish it, a flame-free newsgroup is something that most +likely will never occur. Here are some guidelines for flames and how +to deal with them (a list of flame-prone topics follows in the next section +of this posting): + +If you post something truly obnoxious and inflammatory, don't imagine for a +minute that including the words `No Flames' will work. It won't, and +you'll get exactly what you deserve. + +If you're going to flame, you're more likely to get away with it if you can +cite a fact or maybe a well-known reference. No one is likely to believe +bald, unsupported assertions. + +Be careful about who you choose to insult. Consider not insulting anyone. + + +Asking the Question: + +It is a bad idea to post a question and end it with a phrase like `Please +send email, I don't read this group'. It is a much better idea to +end the question with `Please send email, if there is sufficient interest +I'll summarize the results in a later posting. I may miss posted responses +to this request'. + +Answering the Question: + +If someone wants to hop up their Yugo, don't tell them to get a Mustang. +Either be silent, or give them useful advice. If someone wants advice on +defending a speeding ticket, don't tell them to obey the law next time -- +it's offensive, presumes guilt which is not proven, and doesn't directly +address the original question. In general, don't post in order to see +your words in print, and don't post in order to enjoy feeling smug and +self-righteous. + + +Stale and/or Inflammatory Topics: + +Certain topics are considered stale by `old timers'; while discussion of +them is certainly ok, and new, factual information is welcome, ravings +about them are extremely tiresome, and may get the person who posts them +ignored altogether. Some topics are naturally inflammatory; it is +difficult if not impossible to have meaningful discussion of them. Some +of these topics include the following: + +1) the 55mph speed limit in the US: Pro and Con + +2) discussions about the morality and legality of the sale and usage of + radar detectors. + +3) discussions over which radar detector is best. + +4) discussions over what is a sports car (this is one reason why + rec.autos.sport is not a `sports car' group -- everyone would argue + about what constitutes a `sports car'.) + +5) disputes over whether or not US Federal law protects the driver's + right to own and operate a radar detector + +6) `Buy American' discussions + +7) `clever' bumper stickers and personalized license plates + +8) cars are terrible + +9) What kind of car did Maxwell Smart drive? + [when I have a complete, accurate answer it will be added to the + commonly-asked questions article which is also posted monthly. + Until then, please don't waste bandwidth on this topic. -- rpw] + + + +Please direct comments and suggestions about this article to: + + welty@cabot.balltown.cma.com +-- +richard welty 518-393-7228 welty@cabot.balltown.cma.com +``Nothing good has ever been reported about the full rotation of + a race car about either its pitch or roll axis'' -- Carroll Smith +";10;True +"From: suresh@iss.nus.sg (Suresh Thennarangam - Research Scholar) +Subject: X Device Driver for Bird +Nntp-Posting-Host: raccoon.iss.nus.sg +Organization: Institute Of Systems Science, NUS +X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4 +Lines: 16 + +Has anyone written a device driver to use the Ascension bird with XWindows ? + + + __ + (_ / / o_ o o |_ + __)/(_( __) (_(_ /_)| )_ + + +*************************************************************************** +* Suresh Thennarangam * EMail: suresh@iss.nus.sg(Internet) * +* Research Scholar * ISSST@NUSVM.BITNET * +* Institute Of Systems Science * Tel: (065) 772 2588. * +* National University Of Singapore * Facs.: (065) 778 2571 * +* Heng Mui Keng Terrace * Telex: ISSNUS RS 39988 * +* Singapore 0511. * * +*************************************************************************** +";12;True +"From: cash@convex.com (Peter Cash) +Subject: Re: Need advice with doctor-patient relationship problem +Nntp-Posting-Host: zeppelin.convex.com +Organization: The Instrumentality +X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer + Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and + not necessarily those of CONVEX. +Lines: 16 + +In article mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) writes: +>Sounds as though his heart's in the right place, but he is not adept at +>expressing it. What you received was _meant_ to be a profound apology. +>Apologies delivered by overworked shy people often come out like that... + +His _heart_? This jerk doesn't have a heart, and it beats me why you're +apologizing for him. In my book, behavior like this is unprofessional, +inexcusable, and beyond the pale. If he's overworked, it's because he's too +busy raking in the bucks. More likely, he just likes to push women around. +I'd fire the s.o.b., and get myself another doctor. + +-- +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ + | Die Welt ist alles, was Zerfall ist. | +Peter Cash | (apologies to Ludwig Wittgenstein) |cash@convex.com +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ +";4;True +"From: lochem@fys.ruu.nl (Gert-Jan van Lochem) +Subject: Dutch: symposium compacte objecten +Summary: U wordt uitgenodigd voor het symposium compacte objecten 26-4-93 +Keywords: compacte objecten, symposium +Organization: Physics Department, University of Utrecht, The Netherlands +Lines: 122 + +Sterrenkundig symposium 'Compacte Objecten' + op 26 april 1993 + + +In het jaar 1643, zeven jaar na de oprichting van de +Universiteit van Utrecht, benoemde de universiteit haar +eerste sterrenkundige waarnemer. Hiermee ontstond de tweede +universiteitssterrenwacht ter wereld. Aert Jansz, de eerste +waarnemer, en zijn opvolgers voerden de Utrechtse sterrenkunde +in de daaropvolgende jaren, decennia en eeuwen naar de +voorhoede van het astronomisch onderzoek. Dit jaar is het 350 +jaar geleden dat deze historische benoeming plaatsvond. + +De huidige generatie Utrechtse sterrenkundigen en studenten +sterrenkunde, verenigd in het Sterrekundig Instituut Utrecht, +vieren de benoeming van hun 'oervader' middels een breed scala +aan feestelijke activiteiten. Zo is er voor scholieren een +planetenproject, programmeert de Studium Generale een aantal +voordrachten met een sterrenkundig thema en wordt op de Dies +Natalis aan een astronoom een eredoctoraat uitgereikt. Er +staat echter meer op stapel. + +Studenten natuur- en sterrenkunde kunnen op 26 april aan een +sterrenkundesymposium deelnemen. De onderwerpen van het +symposium zijn opgebouwd rond een van de zwaartepunten van het +huidige Utrechtse onderzoek: het onderzoek aan de zogeheten +'compacte objecten', de eindstadia in de evolutie van sterren. +Bij de samenstelling van het programma is getracht de +deelnemer een zo aktueel en breed mogelijk beeld te geven van +de stand van zaken in het onderzoek aan deze eindstadia. In de +eerste, inleidende lezing zal dagvoorzitter prof. Lamers een +beknopt overzicht geven van de evolutie van zware sterren, +waarna de zeven overige sprekers in lezingen van telkens een +half uur nader op de specifieke evolutionaire eindprodukten +zullen ingaan. Na afloop van elke lezing is er gelegenheid tot +het stellen van vragen. Het dagprogramma staat afgedrukt op +een apart vel. +Het niveau van de lezingen is afgestemd op tweedejaars +studenten natuur- en sterrenkunde. OOK ANDERE BELANGSTELLENDEN +ZIJN VAN HARTE WELKOM! + +Tijdens de lezing van prof. Kuijpers zullen, als alles goed +gaat, de veertien radioteleskopen van de Radiosterrenwacht +Westerbork worden ingezet om via een directe verbinding tussen +het heelal, Westerbork en Utrecht het zwakke radiosignaal van +een snel roterende kosmische vuurtoren, een zogeheten pulsar, +in de symposiumzaal door te geven en te audiovisualiseren. +Prof. Kuijpers zal de binnenkomende signalen (elkaar snel +opvolgende scherp gepiekte pulsen radiostraling) bespreken en +trachten te verklaren. +Het slagen van dit unieke experiment staat en valt met de +technische haalbaarheid ervan. De op te vangen signalen zijn +namelijk zo zwak, dat pas na een waarnemingsperiode van 10 +miljoen jaar genoeg energie is opgevangen om een lamp van 30 +Watt een seconde te laten branden! Tijdens het symposium zal +er niet zo lang gewacht hoeven te worden: de hedendaagse +technologie stelt ons in staat live het heelal te beluisteren. + +Deelname aan het symposium kost f 4,- (exclusief lunch) en +f 16,- (inclusief lunch). Inschrijving geschiedt door het +verschuldigde bedrag over te maken op ABN-AMRO rekening +44.46.97.713 t.n.v. stichting 350 JUS. Het gironummer van de +ABN-AMRO bank Utrecht is 2900. Bij de inschrijving dient te +worden aangegeven of men lid is van de NNV. Na inschrijving +wordt de symposiummap toegestuurd. Bij inschrijving na +31 maart vervalt de mogelijkheid een lunch te reserveren. + +Het symposium vindt plaats in Transitorium I, +Universiteit Utrecht. + +Voor meer informatie over het symposium kan men terecht bij +Henrik Spoon, p/a S.R.O.N., Sorbonnelaan 2, 3584 CA Utrecht. +Tel.: 030-535722. E-mail: henriks@sron.ruu.nl. + + + +******* DAGPROGRAMMA ************************************** + + + 9:30 ONTVANGST MET KOFFIE & THEE + +10:00 Opening + Prof. dr. H.J.G.L.M. Lamers (Utrecht) + +10:10 Dubbelster evolutie + Prof. dr. H.J.G.L.M. Lamers + +10:25 Radiopulsars + Prof. dr. J.M.E. Kuijpers (Utrecht) + +11:00 Pulsars in dubbelster systemen + Prof. dr. F. Verbunt (Utrecht) + +11:50 Massa & straal van neutronensterren + Prof. dr. J. van Paradijs (Amsterdam) + +12:25 Theorie van accretieschijven + Drs. R.F. van Oss (Utrecht) + +13:00 LUNCH + +14:00 Hoe zien accretieschijven er werkelijk uit? + Dr. R.G.M. Rutten (Amsterdam) + +14:35 Snelle fluktuaties bij accretie op neutronensterren + en zwarte gaten + Dr. M. van der Klis (Amsterdam) + +15:10 THEE & KOFFIE + +15:30 Zwarte gaten: knippen en plakken met ruimte en tijd + Prof. dr. V. Icke (leiden) + +16:05 afsluiting + +16:25 BORREL + +-- +Gert-Jan van Lochem \\ ""What is it?"" +Fysische informatica \\ ""Something blue"" +Universiteit Utrecht \\ ""Shapes, I need shapes!"" +030-532803 \\ - HHGG - +";2;True +"From: doyle+@pitt.edu (Howard R Doyle) +Subject: Re: Barbecued foods and health risk +Organization: Pittsburgh Transplan Institute +Lines: 18 + +In article dubin@spot.colorado.edu writes: + +> +>I recall that the issue is that fat on the meat liquifies and then +>drips down onto the hot elements--whatever they are--that the extreme +>heat then catalyzes something in the fat into one or more +>carcinogens which then are carried back up onto the meat in the smoke. +> + + +Hmmm. Care to be more vague? + + +======================================= +Howard Doyle +doyle+@pitt.edu + + +";4;True +"From: jrwaters@eos.ncsu.edu (JACK ROGERS WATERS) +Subject: Re: Aerostitch: 1- or 2-piece? +Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos +Distribution: rec +Lines: 28 + +In article <1993Apr14.144015.18175@vax5.cit.cornell.edu> na4@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes: +>Request for opinions: +> +>Which is better - a one-piece Aerostitch or a two-piece Aerostitch? +> +> +>We're looking for more than ""Well, the 2-pc is more versatile, but the +>1-pc is better protection,..."" +> +>Thanks in advance, +>Nadine + +I would be scared of trying to fit the one piece. When I got my +two piece, I got the jacket in 42 and the pants in 40 (just due +to my manly-man of an athletic build, kind of thing) No laughing, +please. Seriously, I'm not trim and the 42 pants would have +been way too big. Also, I don't think the 1 piece does provide +better protection. If I'm wrong, I'll be swiftly if ever so gently +correct by the net.pansies.of.knowledge (as they like to call themselves). + +Regards +Jack Waters II +DoD#1919 + +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ +~ I don't fear the thief in the night. Its the one that comes in the ~ +~ afternoon, when I'm still asleep, that I worry about. ~ +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ +";7;True +"From: ferdinan@oeinck.waterland.wlink.nl (Ferdinand Oeinck) +Subject: detecting double points in bezier curves +Organization: My own node in Groningen, NL. +Lines: 6 + +I'm looking for any information on detecting and/or calculating a double +point and/or cusp in a bezier curve. + +An algorithm, literature reference or mail about this is very appreciated, + +Ferdinand. +";1;True +"From: kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) +Subject: Re: The Inimitable Rushdie (Re: An Anecdote about Islam +Organization: Case Western Reserve University +Lines: 19 +Distribution: world,public +NNTP-Posting-Host: b64635.student.cwru.edu + +In article <115847@bu.edu> jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes: + +>Well, in 1984 one was not allowed to leave the domain of authority. One +>_is_ free to leave Islam. If one regards Islamic law as a curse one +>should consider leaving Islam. + + The only way out seems to be death. + +--- + + "" I'd Cheat on Hillary Too."" + + John Laws + Local GOP Reprehensitive + Extolling ""Traditional Family Values."" + + + + +";9;True +"From: sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) +Subject: Re: Davidians and compassion +Organization: Cookamunga Tourist Bureau +Lines: 27 + +In article , arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu +(Ken Arromdee) wrote: +> +> In article sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes: +> >So we have this highly Christian religious order that put fire +> >on their house, killing most of the people inside. +> +> We have no way to know that the cultists burned the house; it could have been +> the BATF and FBI. We only have the government's word for it, after all, and +> people who started it by a no-knock search with concussion grenades are hardly +> disinterested observers. + +Well, looking at the videos it seems that this fire started in various +places at the same time, which would indicate that this was a planned +action. I'm sure FBI and BATF didn't *deliberately* start a possible +fire, having a sniper kill Korresh would have been a far easier +method. Looking at the careful operation, and use of tear gas +that as I know don't start fires, it is less likely that this +was the case. + +Sorry, but my bets are on fanatical people keen to start +Armageddon -- theirs. + +Cheers, +Kent +--- +sandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net. +";19;True +"From: mbeaving@bnr.ca (Michael Beavington) +Subject: Re: Your opinion and what it means to me. +Nntp-Posting-Host: bmerh824 +Reply-To: MBEAVING@BNR.CA +Organization: BNR Ottawa, DMS Software Design +Lines: 27 + +In article <13516@news.duke.edu>, infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew Infante) writes: +|> Well, as a few of you so aptly put it, +|> get off the road, jerk, we don't wanna hear your +|> whining. +|> +|> Fine. +|> +|> Fuck off too. + +Well it still looks like you've got an attitude problem +Mr. Muttonhead. You should take the comments with more +sensitivity. I still despise most people who belittle +drinking and driving since my first girlfriend was killed +by such an asshole back in '85. Learn to take the verbal +abuse. + +If you can't take the flames, +and you can't use your brains, +stay out of the newsgroup. + + +============================================================================= += The Beav |Mike Beavington|BellNorthernResearch Ottawa,Ont,Canada| Dod:9733= += Seca 400->Seca 400->RZ350->Seca750->Suzuki550->Seca650turbo->V65Sabre = += (-> 1994 GTS1000 ...can't afford the '93) | mbeaving@bnr.ca = += This company has no idea what I am talking about! = +============================================================================= +";7;True +"From: b-clark@nwu.edu (Brian Clark) +Subject: Re: High Resolution ADC for Mac II +Nntp-Posting-Host: elvex33.acns.nwu.edu +Organization: Northwestern University +Lines: 24 + +In article <1qidk1INNhk9@iskut.ucs.ubc.ca>, Rob Douglas + wrote: +> +> In article <1qhfmg$hoh@lll-winken.llnl.gov> Charles E. Cunningham, +> cec@imager writes: +> > I would like to buy a 16 bit ADC card for the Mac II with digitization +> >rate of at least 100 kHz, preferably 200 kHz. I would prefer one with +> >good differential and integral linearity, and DMA would be a plus. Other +> >than National Instruments, do you know of any other vendor who sells such +> >a card? +> +> Instrutech Corp has a nice looking 16 bit A/D and D/A board that can run +> at the speeds you want. The ITC-16 (?) doesn't have DMA, but it does have +> a good sized FIFO that can buffer your samples. Instrutech can be reached +> at (516) 829-5942, or 929-0934 (FAX). +> + +I don't know about the Instrutech boards (though I plan to check them out), +but you need to be very careful checking the monotonicity and S/N ratio of +many of the ""16 bit"" boards out there. The NI boards are very clearly +specified in terms of monotonicity, S/N ratio, accuracy, etc; and the +NB-A2100 and NB-A2150 have all the dyynamic range and freedom from +distortion that you'd expect from a good, true 16 bit converter. This is +not true for the Spectral Innovations boards, for example. +";0;True +"From: pmetzger@snark.shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger) +Subject: Do we need the clipper for cheap security? +Organization: Partnership for an America Free Drug +Lines: 53 + +amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker) writes: +>> The answer seems obvious to me, they wouldn't. There is other hardware +>> out there not compromised. DES as an example (triple DES as a better +>> one.) +> +>So, where can I buy a DES-encrypted cellular phone? How much does it cost? +>Personally, Cylink stuff is out of my budget for personal use :)... + +If the Clipper chip can do cheap crypto for the masses, obviously one +could do the same thing WITHOUT building in back doors. + +Indeed, even without special engineering, you can construct a good +system right now. A standard codec chip, a chip to do vocoding, a DES +chip, a V32bis integrated modem module, and a small processor to do +glue work, are all you need to have a secure phone. You can dump one +or more of the above if you have a fast processor. With integration, +you could put all of them onto a single chip -- and in the future they +can be. + +Yes, cheap crypto is good -- but we don't need it from the government. +You can do everything the clipper chip can do without needing it to be +compromised. When the White House releases stuff saying ""this is good +because it gives people privacy"", note that we didn't need them to +give us privacy, the capability is available using commercial hardware +right now. + +Indeed, were it not for the government doing everything possible to +stop them, Qualcomm would have designed strong encryption right in to +the CDMA cellular phone system they are pioneering. Were it not for +the NSA and company, cheap encryption systems would be everywhere. As +it is, they try every trick in the book to stop it. Had it not been +for them, I'm sure cheap secure phones would be out right now. + +They aren't the ones making cheap crypto available. They are the ones +keeping cheap crypto out of people's hands. When they hand you a +clipper chip, what you are getting is a mess of pottage -- your prize +for having traded in your birthright. + +And what did we buy with our birthright? Did we get safety from +foreigners? No. They can read conference papers as well as anyone else +and are using strong cryptography. Did we get safety from professional +terrorists? I suspect that they can get cryptosystems themselves on +the open market that work just fine -- most of them can't be idiots +like the guys that bombed the trade center. Are we getting cheaper +crypto for ourselves? No, because the market would have provided that +on its own had they not deliberately sabotaged it. + +Someone please tell me what exactly we get in our social contract in +exchange for giving up our right to strong cryptography? +-- +Perry Metzger pmetzger@shearson.com +-- +Laissez faire, laissez passer. Le monde va de lui meme. +";16;True +"From: grady@netcom.com (1016/2EF221) +Subject: powerful ""similarity"" too +Organization: capriccioso +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] +Lines: 107 + +A Unix tool of cryptographic significance is available +for anonymous ftp. + +""agrep 2.0.4"" -- a fast approximate pattern-matching tool + +source code project available from: + +cs.arizona.edu + +in directory ""agrep"" + +agrep is a very fast fuzzy search tool with a tremendous +number of powerful search options. The one most obviously +applicable to cryptography (key selection) is to be able to +specify the ""similarity"" of matches in the data. + +For example say you make up a password/phrase of ""qimwe7l"". +Of course you rightly suspect that this key itself is not +in any dictionary or word list. But how *close* is it to +en entry that could be varied by some ""crack"" program to +brute-force search for it? + +You use agrep to find out. Looking with argument for none, +one or two errors, no matches. Good so far. But + +agrep -3 ""qimwe7l"" bigwordandphraselist + +finds that the pattern ""qimwe7l"" is too close to the +pattern ""imsel"" (part of ""himself"" and a host of others), +to be of any cryptographic value as a key. + +An error of level two corresponds to a simple transposition of +letters like ""teh"" for ""the"". A minimally acceptable password +would have to pass as *least* level 3 in order not immediately +ruled-out as even a remote possibility of being a good password. +(In real cryptographic use, my personal passphrases clear at +*least* level 8 on my rather large [>80 meg] word and phrase lists.) + + +And for searching for key words in human-typed data (lots o' +typos) the tool is unexcelled. For example, For example, +say I want to find out what people think about Gibson's +SF book ""Neuromancer"" in the huge SF-Lover's archives. +Even with an error distance specification as small as +of ""1"" I will find all those people who think the title +was ""Necromancer"" or other common typos. Why miss anything? + +Also, the program can look for up to 30,000 patterns IN PARALLEL +at Boyer-Moore (sublinear) speeds. Great for a NSA wannabe +to look for your name, terrorists names, special Tagalog or +religious words, etc. in the news or e-mail spool directories. + +You can even search for ciphertext by using, say, 30,000 +random three-byte combinations and eliminate all texts that +don't score the X chi-square 'birthday' hits on message size Y. + +You think some crypto-terrorist is try to foil you by changing +the pattern on you? No problem. Try agrep -p NSA to find +NSA, National Security Agency, NSecAg, No Such Agency, +National Scrabble Association, N*S*A, etc. + +You can also specify ""fixed"" areas: looking for license +plate XYZ123 when you know that the letters are correct, +you might say: + +agrep -2 123 licenseplatedatabase + +will find all plates starting with XYZ with up to two errors +(addition, substitution, deletion) in the number area. You can +also ""weight"" the relative ""cost"" for substiutions, additions, +or deletion errors. For example, when searching DNA patterns +for a particular protein combination, you might know that +some kinds of damage cause the ""A"" nucelotide to drop out more +than other errors... you could adjust for this bias by setting +-Dc where you set the ""deletion cost"" to count as ""c"" errors. + +A steganographic use (I even used ""agrep -2 ""eograp"" E"" +just now to find the correct spelling!) would be to intentionally +introduce errors of a certain type and magnitude into a plaintext +and then later recover the orginal it via an agrep pipe. Lots of +possibilities here when only outlaws can have ciphertext... + +Also with agrep's powerful extraction options it makes it easy +to abstract the ""hits"" into a useful form. For example, + +agrep -d ""^From"" 'PGP;(passphrase|Zimmerman|NSA)' + +says output the entire mail record, delimited by 'From' +that contains 'PGP' and contains either 'passphrase', +'Zimmerman', or 'NSA'. + +And agrep has been measured an order-of-magnitude faster +than the second-best similarity tool publicly available. + +As usual, I will be glad to e-mail the source and docs +to those who reqest them by e-mail IF they cannot do +an anonymous FTP. + +Get this now. +It is too powerful to stay in the hands of the NSA. + + +Grady Ward, vendor to the NSA (and proud of it) + +-- +grady@netcom.com 2EF221 / 15 E2 AD D3 D1 C6 F3 FC 58 AC F7 3D 4F 01 1E 2F + +";16;True +"From: chuck@eng.umd.edu (Chuck Harris - WA3UQV) +Subject: Re: Riddle me this... +Organization: University of Maryland, Department of Electrical Engineering +Lines: 15 +Distribution: usa +NNTP-Posting-Host: bree.eng.umd.edu + +In article <1993Apr20.050550.4660@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca> j979@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (FULLER M) writes: +>Does a ""not harmful"" gassing mean that you can, with a little willpower, +>stay inside indefinitely without suffering any serious health problems? +> +>If so, why was CS often employed against tunnels in Vietnam? +> +>What IS the difference, anyway? + +CS ""tear-gas"" was used in Vietnam because it makes you wretch so hard that +your stomach comes out thru your throat. Well, not quite that bad, but +you can't really do much to defend yourself while you are blowing cookies. + +Chuck Harris - WA3UQV +chuck@eng.umd.edu + +";3;True +"From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) +Subject: Re: >I think that you are confusing the words ""objective"" and ""inherent."" +>>And objective system is simply one in which an outside observer who, +>>given the postulates of the system, could perfectly judge any situation +>>or action as consistent with the system (right) or not (wrong). You seem +>>to be objecting because the goals of the system are not inherent. That is, +>>you seem to want to define an objective system as one in which the +>>postulates themselves could be determined by some outside observer. +>>I don't think that this is a good definition of an objective system. +>Then you need to learn English. + +Really>`? + +>Gravity is an objective system. Anybody can learn what it is, and perform +>experiments. They will get the same results as every other person who +>has performed those experiments. + +No, gravity is an inherent system. You don't need any excess information +other than observations to determine anything. It is possible to objectively +determine someone's guilt or innocence within an non-inherent system. +I agree that morality is not necessarily inherent (unless you state that +everything we do has an evolutionary basis), but this does not mean that +it cannot be objective in theory. + +>This ""natural morality"" is not an objective system, as evidenced by +>your comments about lions, and mine. + +Perhaps it can be objective, but not inherent. Anyway, as I noted before, +the practices related to mating rituals, etc. among the animals are likely +the only ones to be considered ""immoral"" under the previous ""definitions"" +of the natural law. Therefore, some revisions are in order, since the +class of activities surrounding mating seem to pose some general problems. + +>>And in fact, the only way that the postulates could be determined by an +>>outsider would be if there were some sort of higher truth, like some +>>sort of god or something. But, I do not think that a god is necessary +>>for an objective system, while it seems that you do. +>What are you trying to say here? + +It seens that you are objecting to the notion of an objective system +because perhaps you think that it would imply inherence, which would +necessitate some sort of grand design? + +>>No, I have classified behavior of most animals as in line with a +>>moral system. It is certainly possible for animals to commit acts +>>which are outside of their rules of ethics, but they don't seem to +>>do so very often. Perhaps they are not intelligent enough to be +>>immoral. +>And perhaps it's because you have yet to define a ""moral"" system. + +I think I have. It is a code of ethics which basically defines undesired +behaviors, etc. An immoral behavior could be unwanted, unproductive, +or destructive, etc., depending on the goal of the system (that is, +immoral to what end?). + +keith +";9;True +"From: phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) +Subject: Re: New Study Out On Gay Percentage +Organization: Generally in favor of, but mostly random. +Lines: 20 + +In article <1993Apr17.022222.28105@news.cs.brandeis.edu> st923336@pip.cc.brandeis.edu writes: + >It seems that conservatives are putting a lot of effort into + >showing up the 10% figure, but that really doesn't make a + >difference. Like I said, who cares how many there are? Would + >the fact that they're only 1% of the population justify + >discrimination against them? I don't think so. + +Uh, well, Golly Gee Whiz. Let me see, when the new President, as his first +big ""policy act"" tries to force homosexuals (acceptance thereof) on the +military, despite polls showing a consistent 75%+ against it, and the +minority is only 1%, well, gee, I sure think that is newsworthy. + +Tells you something about the fascist politics being practiced .... + + +-- +There are actually people that STILL believe Love Canal was some kind of +environmental disaster. Weird, eh? + +These opinions are MINE, and you can't have 'em! (But I'll rent 'em cheap ...) +";18;True +"From: prb@access.digex.com (Pat) +Subject: Re: Stephen Hawking Tours JPL +Organization: Express Access Online Communications USA +Lines: 23 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net +Keywords: JPL + +In article <23APR199317325771@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov> baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) writes: +> Using a model of Mars Observer, Albee spent several minutes +>describing the project and the spacecraft's features. In answer +>to a question from Hawking, Chahine described a proposed +>drag-free satellite, but confirmed that at this point, ""it's only +>a concept."" Chahine, who had met Hawking at Caltech about five + + +Too bad they didn't give him a tour of the CGRO data? + +I think he'd be fascinated by the Gamma ray bursters. The mind of +hawking might even propose a mechanism. + + +SO what's a drag free satellite? coated with WD-40? carries an +aluminum-gold set of grateful dead albums? inquiring minds +want to know? + +And why would MO carry any features for being drag free? I thought +aero-braking was a possible MO experimental activity? + +pat + +";2;True +"From: uabdpo.dpo.uab.edu!gila005 (Stephen Holland) +Subject: Re: diet for Crohn's (IBD) +Organization: Gastroenterology - Univ. of Alabama +Distribution: usa +Lines: 81 + +Summary of thread: +A person has Crohns, raw vegetables cause problems (unspecified) +Steve Holland replies: patient may have mild obstruction. Avoid things +that would plug her up. Crohn's has no dietary restriction in general. + +In article <1993Apr22.210631.13300@aio.jsc.nasa.gov>, +spenser@fudd.jsc.nasa.gov (S. Spenser Aden) wrote: +> +> Interesting statements, simply because I have been told otherwise. I'm +> certainly not questioning Steve's claims, as for one I am not a doctor, and I +> agree that foods don't bring on the recurrence of Crohn's. But inflammation +> can be either mildly or DRASTICALLY enhanced due to food. + +The feeling obout this has changed in the GI community. The current +feeling +is that inflammation is not induced by food. There is even evidence that +patients deprived of food have mucosal atrophy due to lack of stimulation +of +intestinal growth factors. There is now interest in providing small +amounts +of nasogastric feeding to patients on IV nutrition. But I digress. +Symptoms can be drastically enhanced by food, but not inflammation. + +> Having had one major obstruction resulting in resection (is that a good enough +> caveat :-), I was told that a *LOW RESIDUE* diet is called for. Basically, +> the idea is that if there is inflammation of the gut (which may not be +> realized by the patient), any residue in the system can be caught in the folds +> of inflammation and constantly irritate, thus exacerbating the problem. +> Therefore, anything that doesn't digest completely by the point of common +> inflammation should be avoided. With what I've been told is typical Crohn's, +> of the terminal ileum, my diet should be low residue, consisting of: +> +> Completely out - never again - items: +> o corn (kernel husk doesn't digest ... most of us know this :-) +> o popcorn (same) +> o dried (dehydrated) fruit and fruit skins +> o nuts (Very tough when it comes to giving up some fudge :-) + +The low residue diet is appropriate for you if you still have obstructions. +Again, it is not felt that food causes inflammation. These foods are +avoided because they may get stuck. I'd go ahead and have the +fudge, though ;-) . + +> Discouraged greatly: +> o raw vegetables (too fibrous) +> o wheat and raw grain breads +> o exotic lettuce (iceberg is ok since it's apparently mostly water) +> o greens (turnip, mustard, kale, etc...) +> o little seeds, like sesame (try getting an Arby's without it!) +> o long grain and wild rice (husky) +> o beans (you'll generate enough gas alone without them!) +> o BASICALLY anything that requires heavy digestive processing +> +> I was told that the more processed the food the better! (rather ironic in this +> day and age). The whole point is PREVENTATIVE ... you want to give your +> system as little chance to inflame as possible. I was told that among the +> NUMEROUS things that were heavily discouraged (I only listed a few), to try +> the ones I wanted and see how I felt. If it's bad, don't do it again! +> Remember though that this was while I was in remission. For Veggies: cook the +> daylights out of them. I prefer steaming ... I think it's cooks more +> thoroughly - you're mileage may vary. +> +> As with anything else, CHECK WITH YOUR DOCTOR. Don't just take my word. But +> this is the info I've been given, and it may be a starting point for +> discussion. Good luck! +> +Spencer makes an especially good point in having an observant and +informed patient. Would that many patients be able to tell what +causes them problems. The digestive processing idea is changing, but +if a food causes problems, avoid them. Be sure that the foods are +tested a second time to be sure the food is a real cause. Crohn's +commonly causes intermittent symptoms and some patients end up with +severly restricted diets that take months to renormalize. + +There was a good article in the CCFA newsletter recently that discussed +the issue of dietary restriction of fiber. It would be worth reading +to anyone with an interest in Crohn's. + +And, as I always say when dealing with Crohn's, as does Spencer, Good Luck! + +Steve Holland +";4;True +"From: hsteve@carina.unm.edu () +Subject: Re: Changing dpy->max_request_size ? +Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque +Lines: 17 +NNTP-Posting-Host: carina.unm.edu + +In article oj@world.std.com (Oliver Jones) writes: + mcclenne@dingdong.cis.upenn.edu (nennelccM nodroG) writes: +<> +<>Does anyone out there know how to change the maximum request size for +<>a server +< + oldham@ces.cwru.edu (Daniel Oldham) writes: +>What happened in Waco is not the fault of the BATF. If they would of +>had the proper equipment and personal then they could of captured the +>compound on the initial assault and none of this would of happened. +> +>The BATF needs more people, better weapons and more armored +>transports. When they meet hostile fire they should be able to use +>more force instead of retreating to a stand off. If you are going to +>do a job then do it right. The BATF is there to protect us and they +>must have the proper equipment and people to do the job. +> +>With the WoD and the increased crime in the streets the BATF is needed +>more now then ever. If they blast away a few good fokes then that is +>the price we all have to pay for law and order in this country. Look +>at all the good people that died in wars to protect this great country +>of ours. +> +>With the arms build up in Waco they needed to hit that compound with +>mega fire power. They could of gone in there blasting and killed a few +>women and kids but it would of been better then letting them all burn +>to death 51 days later. +> + + +Well, it's said that people get the government they deserve. + +Don't worry, you'll get yours. You'll sleep much better when +everyone with thoughts not on the government 'approved' list +is rounded up and executed. + +Julie +DISCLAIMER: All opinions here belong to my cat and no one else +";3;True +"From: nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu +Subject: Re: Solar Sail Data +Article-I.D.: aurora.1993Apr17.042918.1 +Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks +Lines: 24 +Nntp-Posting-Host: acad3.alaska.edu + +In article <1993Apr15.051746.29848@news.duc.auburn.edu>, snydefj@eng.auburn.edu (Frank J. Snyder) writes: +> +> I am looking for any information concerning projects involving Solar +> Sails. I understand that the JPL did an extensive study on the subject +> back in the late 70's but I am having trouble gathering such information. +> +> Are there any groups out there currently involved in such a project ? +> +> Frank Snyder +> Auburn University +> +> snydefj@eng.auburn.edu + + +I know someone had long talks about Solar Sails early this year and late last +year..Also about Solar Sailing. Not sure who captured it if possible.. + +I think it was one of the regulars who had most or all the data? + +I think I started the latest round or the late last year round.. But the topic +has been around here, off and on for a year or two.. + +== +Michael Adams, nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu -- I'm not high, just jacked +";2;True +"Subject: Is it really apples to apples? (Lawful vs. unlawful use of guns) +From: kim39@scws8.harvard.edu (John Kim) +Distribution: world +Organization: Harvard University Science Center +Nntp-Posting-Host: scws8.harvard.edu +Lines: 30 + +I have been convinced of the right of AMericans to an effective +self-defense, but something strikes me as odd among the +pro-RKBA arguments presented here. + +The numbers comparing hundreds of thousands (indeed, even a +million) of instances of law abiding citizens deterring +criminal activity, seem valid to me. Likewise the number +of gun-caused homicides each year (about 11,000/year?). However, +it is surprising that the ""Evil AntiGun Empire "" (Darth Vader +breathing sound effect here) never tries to compare +""All legitimate gun defenses"" vs. ""All gun crimes."" Instead, +it's always ""All legitimate gun defenses,"" which includes +cases in which the criminals are shot but not killed, and +cases in which the criminal is not here, vs. just +criminal gun homicides, which only includes case sin which +the victim died. + +Why is this? Of course, it wouldn't be unreasonable to say +that in each crime already measured (involving guns), the +consequnces are already known and it is safe to assume that +a gun-based bank robbery last week will not suddenly turn +into a gun-basd robbery+homicide. Whereas in the legitimate +gun defenses, one may assume that all those criminals who +were deterred would have committed more crime or more +serious crimes had they not been deterred. + +-Case Kim + +kim39@husc.harvard.edu + +";3;True +"From: pharvey@quack.kfu.com (Paul Harvey) +Subject: Christians above the Law, was Clarification of personal position +Organization: The Duck Pond public unix: +1 408 249 9630, log in as 'guest'. + +Lines: 24 + +In article +sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes: +>My online Bible is on a CD, but I don't own a CD-ROM system for the +>time being, so I can't search for the famous cite where Jesus explicitly +>states that he didn't want to break existing (Jewish) laws. In other +>words technically speaking Christians should use Saturday and not Sunday +>as their holy day, if they want to conform to the teachings of Jesus. + +Who said Christians want to conform to the teachings of Jesus? + +""You are the light of the world. A city can't be hidden lying on a +mountaintop. Nor do people light a candle and cover it with a big +basket; they put it up on a tall candlestick where it can shine for +everyone in the house. That's how your light must shine in front of the +world, so that people see your good deeds and give credit to your Father +in the skies. Don't think I came to dissolve The Law [Torah aka First +Five Books] or The Prophets: [7 major plus 12 minor] I didn't come to +dissolve them, I came to fulfill them. I assure you, till the sky and +the earth go away, not one letter or punctuation mark of The Law will +ever go away until everthing has come to pass. So anyone who dissolves +even one of the smallest commandments and teaches others the same way, +will be known as the lowest in the kingdom of the skies; whereas anyone +who keeps the commands and teaches them too, will be known as someone +great in the kingdom of the skies."" Matt5:14-19, Gaus, ISBN:0-933999-99-2 +";19;True +"From: denis@apldbio.com (Denis Concordel) +Subject: *** For sale: 1988 Husqvarna 510TE *** +Distribution: ba,ca +Organization: Applied Biosystems, Inc +Lines: 42 + +For sale: + + Model : Husqvarna 510 TE (enduro model) + Year : 1988 + Engine : 500 cc Four Stroke + + Extras : - 1992 ignition (for easy starting) + - Suspension by Aftershock + - Custom carbon fiber/Kevlar skid plate + - Quick steering geometry + - Stock (EPA legal and quiet) exhaust system + - Bark busters and hand guards + - Motion Pro clutch cable + + Price : $2200 + + Contact: Denis Concordel E-Mail: denis@apldbio.com + MaBell: (415) 570 6667 (work) + (415) 494 7109 (home) + + I am selling my trusty Husky... hopefully to buy a Husaberg... This is + a very good dirt bike and has been maintained perfectly. I never had + any problems with it. + + It's a four stroke, 4 valves, liquid cooled engine. It is heavier than + a 250 2 stroke but still lighter than a Honda XR600 and has a lot better + suspension (Ohlins shock, Husky fork) than the XR. For the casual or non + competitive rider, the engine is much better than any two stroke. + You can easily lug up hills and blast through trails with minimum gear + changes. + + The 1992 ignition and the carefully tuned carburation makes this bike + very easy to start (starts of first kick when cold or hot). There is a + custom made carbon/kevlar (light 1 pound) wrap around skid plate to protect + the engine cases and the water pump. The steering angle has been reduced + by 2 degree to increase steering quickness. This with the suspension tune-up + by Phil Douglas of Aftershock (Multiple time ISDE rider) gives it a better + ride than most bike: plush suspension, responsive steering with no head shake. + + So if it is such a good bike why sell it???? Gee, I want to buy a Husaberg, + which just a husky but 25 pounds lighter... and a tad more $$$. + +";7;True +"From: zbib@bnr.ca (Sam Zbib) +Subject: RE:Legality of the jewish purchase +Nntp-Posting-Host: 47.141.0.106 +Reply-To: zbib@bnr.ca +Organization: Bell-Northern Research +Lines: 67 + + +(Amir Y Rosenblatt) writes + > Sam Zbib Writes + >>No one in his right mind would sell his freedom and dignity. + >>Palestinians are no exception. Perhaps you heard about + >>anti-trust in the business world. + >> + >>Since we are debating the legality of a commercial + >>transaction, we must use the laws governing the guidelines + >>and ethics of such transactions. Basic ANTI-TRUST law says + >>that, while you can purchase IBM stocks for the purpose of + >>investing, you can not acquire a large number of those + >>shares with the intent or controlling IBM. You can do so + >>only if you make your intentions CLEAR apriori . Clearly, + >>the Jews who purchased properties from palastenians had some + >>designs, they were not buying a dwelling or a real estate. + >They were establishing a bridgehead for the European Jews. + >> + >>The palastenians sold their properties to the Jews in the + >>old tradition of arab hospitality. Being a multi-ethnic / + >>multi-religious society, accepting the jews as neighbours + >>was no different, just another religion. Plus they paid fair + >>market value, etc... They did not know they were victims of + >>an international conspiracy. (I'm not a conspiracy theorist + >>myself, but this one is hard to dismiss). + >> + +>Right now, I'm just going to address this point. +>When the Jewish National Fund bought most of its land, +>It didn't buy it from the Palestinians themselves, because, +>for the most part, they were tenant farmers (fallahin), +>living on land owned by wealthy Arabs in Syria and Lebanon. +>The JNF offered a premium deal, so the owners took advantage of +>it. It's called commerce. The owners, however, made no +>provisions for those who had worked for them, basically shafting +>them by selling the land right out from under them. +>They are to blame, not the Jews. +> +> + +Amir: +Why would you categorize the sale of land as shafting? was +it because it was sold to Jews? was it fair to assume that the +fallahin would be mistreated by the jews? is this the norm of +any commerce (read shafting) between arabs and jews? + +Your claim that the Lebanese/Syrian Landlords sold Palestine +(if true, even partially) omits the fact that the mandate +treaty put Lebanon and Syria under French rule, while +Palestine under british. Obiviously, any such landlord +would have found himself a foreigner in Palestine and would +be motivated to sell, regardless of the price. + +It is interesting though that you acknowledge that the +palestinians were shafted. Do many Israelis or Jews share +your opinion ? Do you absolve the purchaser from +any ethical commitments just because it wasn't written down? + +All told, I did not see an answer in your response. The +question was whether the intent behind the purchase was +aimed at controlling the public assets (land, +infra-structure etc...). IMHO the Palestinians have grounds +to contest the legality of the purchase, say in world court. + +Sam + + My opinions are my own and no one else's +";15;True +"From: grady@netcom.com (1016/2EF221) +Subject: Declassifying media +Organization: capriccioso +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] +Lines: 82 + +There are many Urban Legends (maybe this ought to be in the Crypt +FAQ?) about what is actually sufficient to clear or declassify +magnetic media when used for classified data. Here is some +information ""from the horse's mouth"". + +(Regarding the sufficient overwriting of media (""clearing"") meant to +be *retained* within the controlled environment, or declassifying +the material to be reused *outside* the controlled environment,) + +From National Telecommunications and Information Systems +Security (NTISS) ""Advisory Memorandum on Office Automation +Security Guidelines"" (NTISSAM COMPUSEC/1/87): + +------ + +""7.6.2.1 Clearing of Magnetic Media + +Certain types of removable media (e.g., magnetic tape, floppy disk, +cassettes, and magnetic cards) may be cleared by overwriting the +entire media one time with any one character. Floppy disks may be +cleared by applying a vendor's formatting program that overwrites +each location with a given character. + +Fixed media (e.g., Winchester disks) should be cleared by overwriting +at least one time with any one character. One way to do this is by +applying a vendor-supplied formatting program that overwrites each +location on the disk with a given character, if it can be shown that +this program actually works as advertised. The user should beware: +some programs that purport to overwrite all locations do not +actually do this. + +Cleared media may be resides within the controlled facility or +released for destruction; however, they should be marked and +controlled at the level of the most restrictive sensitivity of +information ever recorded. + +7.6.2.2 Declassification of Magnetic Media + +Certain types of removable media can be declassified using a +degaussing device that has been approved for declassifying media of +that type. (A list of approved devices is maintained by the NSA.) + +If a fixed medium (for example, a hard, or Winchester, disk) is +operative, an approved method of declassifying the disk pack is to +employ an overwrite procedure which must overwrite all +addressable locations at least three times by writing any character, +then its complement (e.g., binary ones and binary zeros) +alternatively. + +When fixed media become inoperative, it is impossible to declassify +the media by the overwrite method. In this case, there are two +alternate procedures that may be used: (1) disassemble the disk +pack, and degauss each platter with the appropriate approved +degaussing equipment; and (2) courier the inoperative media to the +vendor's facility, have the magnetic media (e.g., disk platter) +removed in sight of the courier and returned to the courier for +destruction at the secure site. The vendor can then install new +platters and repair any other problems with the disk unit. + +7.6.3 Destruction of Magnetic Media"" + +[see DoD Computer Security Center, ""Department of Defense Magnetic +Remanence Security Guideline"", CSC-STD-003-85 FOR OFFICIAL USE +ONLY] + +------ + +This and many other interesting documents (many that are more +informative than probably intended) on computer security procedures +can be obtained (free) from: + +Executive Secretary +National Telecommunications and Informations + Systems Security Committee +National Security Agency +Fort George G. Meade, MD 20755-6000 + +Write them! It's fun to be on the NSA's mailing list... + +-- +grady@netcom.com 2EF221 / 15 E2 AD D3 D1 C6 F3 FC 58 AC F7 3D 4F 01 1E 2F + +";16;True +"From: rdc8@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Robert D Castro) +Subject: Contact person for boots +Keywords: combat +Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixf.cc.columbia.edu +Reply-To: rdc8@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Robert D Castro) +Organization: Columbia University +Lines: 16 + +Would anyone out there in DoDland be able to help me out in giving me +a contact to purchase a pair of military air-borne combat boots (9 1/2 +D in size). These boots (so I have read here on rec.moto) are calf +height boots that use only velcro for enclosure. I have phoned around +and nobody seems to carry such an item. I admit I have not gone into +the deepest bowels of NYC yet for the search but I have made some +calls to several of the bigger army/navy type stores with no luck. + +Anyone out there know of a place that does carry such an item as well +as does mail order? Any help would be appreciated. + +o&o> o&o> o&o> o&o> o&o> o&o> o&o> o&o> o&o> o&o> o&o> o&o> o&o> + Rob Castro | email - rdc8@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu | Live for today + 1983 KZ550LTD | phone - (212) 854-7617 | For today you live! + DoD# NYC-1 | New York, New York, USA | RC (tm) + cj195@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John W. Redelfs) writes: +>How many are aware that the Gun Control Act of 1968 is a verbatim translation +>of a Nazi gun control law passed shortly before the Holocaust? +> +>For those of you who think I'm being paranoid in asking these questions, +>pray that you are right. Unchecked democracies usually end in +>dictatorship. Remember, Germany was a democracy when Hitler rose to power. +>Can we be absolutely certain nothing like that could happen today? + +I can't speak for the organizations you cited but everywhere you look in +our society and government, one can see the relentless movement toward +one world government. The fact that the media demeans such charished +values as patriotism, nationalism and protectionism are some of the +clues. The fact that we are sapping the economic strength of americans +to prop up a former and possibly future enemy is just another. The fact +the words like community of nations, global village and international +business are in vogue are others. International corporations are +destroying our identy and economy and the propaganda they are playing +through the media and government is over powering our ability to resist. +Our porous border both people and trade are an indiciation that we have +already lost a great deal of sovergnty. + +The bottome line is that the single most evil aspect of One World +Government is that you have nowhere to run to and history has proven +that would be a disaster. + +Beware the LIBERAL and the conservative and the moderate. Think for yourself + +";3;True +"From: srihari@cirrus.com (Srihari Shoroff) +Subject: Re: Instead of a Saturn SC2, What??? +Organization: Cirrus Logic Inc. +Distribution: na +Lines: 24 + +In jr4q+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jason M. Roth) writes: + +>>R&T had an article on cars of the SC1 ilk and they liked the Civic Ex, +>>the Escort GT and the MX-3 best of all, and the SC1 was way down the +>>list except for braking. + +>I just looked at that article; first of all, this summary is inaccurate; +>of 10 cars, the SC1 was 5th, right behind these mentioned and the Suzuki +>Swift (!). As has been pointed out, it was a semi-silly comparison; the +>Saturn was at least $500 cheaper than the MX-3 and Escort (admittedly +>negligible, but an issue), and $1500 (!)less than the Honda. The stated +>goal was a base under $12k; the Honda was $500 over, while the SC2 at +>the same price was excluded. In other words, they let the best Honda +>play, but not the best Saturn. Note that the Saturn did beat the $13k + +I dont know about the car comparison but as far as the price goes rest +assured that the street prices for the MX-3 and Escort and (maybe) even +the Honda will be lesser than that of the Saturn you're talking about. +All price comparisons I've seen are based on MSRP and of course the +saturn dealer will sell the car for sticker price whereas the others +will do it way below sticker. + +Srihari + +";10;True +"From: bh437292@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Basil Hamdan) +Subject: Re: was:Go Hezbollah! +Reply-To: bh437292@lance.colostate.edu +Nntp-Posting-Host: parry.lance.colostate.edu +Organization: Engineering College, Colorado State University +Lines: 13 + +In article <2BCE0918.6105@news.service.uci.edu>, tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) writes: +|> In article bh437292@lance.colostate.edu writes: + +[.....] + +|> Your view of this entire matter is far too serenely one-sided and +|> selectively naive. + +Oooh... now THAT hurts. I will not suffer you through more naive +and one-sided views of mine. Please skip my articles in the future +Oh Wise Tim, and have a good day. + +Basil +";15;True +"From: sreck@rebox.in-berlin.de (Stefan Reck) +Subject: Re: Adaptec ACB-2322: what is it? +Distribution: world +Organization: REBOX's Host, Berlin, Germany +Lines: 14 +X-Newsreader: NWREADER [version 3.02] + +wright@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (Ted Wright) writes: +> +> An Adaptec ACB-2322 rev B disk controller has come into my hands with +> no documentation. Is this an ESDI controller? MFM? RLL? Something else? +> The BIOS on it is dated 1987, if that is any help. + +I think it is an ESDI controller if you need the doco i can help you. + + Stefan + +-- +Stefan Reck | INET : sreck@rebox.in-berlin.de +Berlin |--------------------------------------------------------------- +Germany | that's all +";5;True +"Organization: University of Notre Dame - Office of Univ. Computing +From: +Subject: Re: Jewish Baseball Players? + <1993Apr16.173252.7393@asd.com> +Lines: 11 + +In article <1993Apr16.173252.7393@asd.com>, scott@asd.com (Scott Barman) says: +> +>Wasn't Ron Bloomberg, the former Yankee who got the first base hit +>by a Designated Hitter, Jewish?? + +i have no idea, nor do i care. however, i'd like to point out that +blomberg got the first plate appearance by a designated hitter, and +the first walk by a designated hitter. i am not sure, but i do not +think that he also got the first hit by a designated hitter. + +bob vesterman. +";14;True +"From: bill@west.msi.com (Bill Poitras) +Subject: Re: Automated X testing +Reply-To: bill@msi.com +Organization: Molecular Simulations Inc. +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] +Lines: 27 + +Mark D. Collier (mark@trident.datasys.swri.edu) wrote: +: Does anyone know what is available in terms of automated testing +: of X/Motif applications. I am thinking of a system which I could +: program (or which could record events/output) with our verification +: test procedures and then run/rerun each time we do regression +: testing. I am interested in a product like this for our UNIX +: projects and for a separate project which will be using OpenVMS. + +A question like this is answered in the FAQ, about sharing X windows. +One of the answers is XTrap, a record and playback extenstion to X. You +can find it at export.lcs.mit.edu:/contrib/XTrapV33_X11R5.tar.Z. + +Does anyone know of a program which doesn't require an X extension? Most +the the X servers we have at work have vendor extensions which we can't +modify, so XTrap doesn't help up. There is X conferencing software at +mit, but I don't know how easy it would be to modify it to do record and +playback. + +Any help would be appreciated. +-- ++-------------------+----------------------------+------------------------+ +| Bill Poitras | Molecular Simulations Inc. | Tel (408)522-9229 | +| bill@msi.com | Sunnyvale, CA 94086-3522 | FAX (408)732-0831 | ++-------------------+----------------------------+------------------------+ +|FTP Mail |mail ftpmail@decwrl.dec.com | Offers:ftp via email | +| |Subject:helpquit | | ++-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +";12;True +"From: ferguson@cs.rochester.EDU (George Ferguson) +Subject: Xarchie-2.0 available on export +Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Rochester +Lines: 40 +NNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu +To: xannounce@expo.lcs.mit.edu + +[Please accept the following announcement for comp.windows.x.announce. -gf] + +A completely revamped version of the X11 browser interface to Archie, +Xarchie, is now available as + export.lcs.mit.edu:/contrib/xarchie-2.0.tar.Z + +For those not familar with Archie or Xarchie, I include part of the +manpage intro: + + Xarchie is an X11 browser interface to the Archie Internet information + system using the Prospero virtual filesystem protocol. Archie + provides information about files available for ftp anywhere on the + Internet; Xarchie displays this information using an easy-to-use, + point-and-click interface. Xarchie allows you to further explore ftp + sites by examining directories returned as query matches, and allows + you to retrieve files located this way. + +Xarchie 2.0 has been extensively tested on R4, R5, and a variety of +other flavors of X, and on a wide range of machines. A summary of the +new features (from the README) follows: + + * Major improvements include: + - Multiple selections allowed in browser for use with other new + features (FWF MultiList widget). + - Ability to expand directories in browser. + - Real fully-integrated ftp implementation. + - Ability to save and reload query results, as well as print them. + - Ability to resort results, and sort results by user-definable + pseudo-weights. + - Online help browser. + - Color resources, done so that they don't break mono displays. + - FWF FileSelector widget for local file operations. + - Makefile.dst's supplied for the imake-impaired. + +George +-- +George Ferguson ARPA: ferguson@cs.rochester.edu +Dept. of Computer Science UUCP: rutgers!rochester!ferguson +University of Rochester VOX: (716) 275-2527 +Rochester NY 14627-0226 FAX: (716) 461-2018 +";12;True +"From: zrepachol@cc.curtin.edu.au (Paul Repacholi) +Subject: Re: How do they know what keys to ask for? (Re: Clipper) +Lines: 19 +Organization: Curtin University of Technology + +In article , johnson@trwacs.fp.trw.com (Steve Johnson) writes: +> brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton) writes: +>>And of course you have to identify yourself to the phone company, and +>>since the phone company complies with court orders, they will know the +>>magic number of your chip when they sign out a warrant on you, and +>>then can present the warrant to the key escrow house. + + +Lets hope. Years ago a Telecom tech refused to tap a line unless he saw the +warrant. The managment type who told him to do it fired him. The appeal +against the dismissal was lost. + +> Who makes them forget and destroy all copies of the key once they've +> decided you're not a criminal today? Just curious. + +Good luck. + +~Paul + +";16;True +"From: dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) +Subject: Turkey Admits to Sending Arms to Azerbaijan/Turkish Pilot Caught +Summary: Oh, yes...neutral Turkey +Organization: S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies +Lines: 57 + +4/15/93 1242 Turkey sends light weapons as aid to Azerbaijan + +By SEVA ULMAN + +ANKARA, Turkey (UPI) -- Turkey is arming Azerbaijan with light weapons to help +it fight Armenian forces in the struggle for the Nagorno- Karabakh enclave, +the newspaper Hurriyet said Thursday. + +Deputy Prime Minister Erdal Inonu told reporters in Ankara that Turkey was +responding positively to a request from Azerbaijan for assistance. + +""We are giving a positive response to all requests"" from Azerbaijan, ""within +the limits of our capabilities,"" he said. + +Foreign Ministry spokesman Vural Valkan declined to elaborate on the nature +of the aid being sent to Azerbaijan, but said they were within the framework +of the Council for Security and Cooperation in Europe. + +Hurriyet, published in Istanbul, said Turkey was sending light weapons to +Azerbaijan, including rockets, rocket launchers and ammunition. + +Ankara began sending the hardware after a visit to Turkey last week by a +high-ranking Azerbaijani official. Turkey has however ruled out, for the second +time in one week, that it would intervene militarily in Azerbaijan. + +Wednesday, Inonu told reporters Ankara would not allow Azerbaijan to suffer +defeat at the hands of the Armenians. ""We feel ourselves bound to help +Azerbaijan, but I am not in a position right now to tell you what form (that) +help may take in the future,"" he said. + +He said Turkish aid to Azerbaijan was continuing, ""and the whole world knows +about it."" + +Prime Minister Suleyman Demirel reiterated that Turkey would not get +militarily involved in the conflict. Foreign policy decisions could not be +based on street-level excitement, he said. + +There was no immediate reaction in Ankara to regional reports, based on +Armenian sources in Yerevan, saying Turkish pilots and other officers were +captured when they were shot down flying Azerbaijani warplanes and +helicopters. + +The newspaper Cumhuriyet said Turkish troops were digging in along the border +with Armenia, but military sources denied reports based on claims by local +people that gunfire was heard along the border. No military action has +occurred, the sources said. + +The latest upsurge in fighting between the Armenians and Azerbaijanis flared +early this month when Armenian forces seized the town of Kelbajar and later +positioned themselves outside Fizuli, near the Iranian border. + + +-- +David Davidian dbd@urartu.sdpa.org | ""How do we explain Turkish troops on +S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies | the Armenian border, when we can't +P.O. Box 382761 | even explain 1915?"" +Cambridge, MA 02238 | Turkish MP, March 1992 +";15;True +"From: mmilitzo@scott.skidmore.edu (matthew militzok) +Subject: 1992 - 1993 FINAL NHL PLAYER STATS +Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY +Lines: 8 + +If you are interested in receiving the final player stats for +the 1992-1993 NHL Season as well as playoff box scores, stats and +scores/updates... +then e-mail my stat server + +mmilitzo@skidmore.edu + +the subject of the message must be: STATS +";13;True +"From: carols@ohsu.edu (Carol Suelzle) +Subject: re: Help with WinQVT +Article-I.D.: ohsu.1993Apr15.164424.465 +Organization: Oregon Health Sciences University +Lines: 17 +Nntp-Posting-Host: 137.53.130.7 + + + +>This is the qvthost.rc file. +>137.112.5.2 +>137.112.199.50 +> +> +> + +The host file requires the names that you'll be using in addition to the ip address + +sucb as + +100.0.0.1 name.server.name +100.2.2.1 name.router.name + +Carols@ohsu.edu +";6;True +"From: she3328@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Steven H. Eckwielen) +Subject: -=WANTED=- HP 48s or HP 48sx +Nntp-Posting-Host: vaxb.isc.rit.edu +Reply-To: she3328@ritvax.isc.rit.edu +Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology +Lines: 10 + +AS the subject says... looking for a HP 48s or perferiably HP 48sx + +Please E-mail replies. +Thanks + +Steven Eckwielen + ___ _ _ ___ ___ ___ ___ ___ +| __| | | __|__ |__ |_ | _ | Bitnet : she3328@ritvax +,-- | | _| |_ ||_ |/ /| _ | Internet : she3328@ritvax.isc.rit.edu +|___|_|_|___|___|___|___|___| UUCP : rutgers!rochester!rit!ritvax!she3328 +";8;True +"From: srlnjal@grace.cri.nz +Subject: CorelDraw Bitmap to SCODAL +Organization: Industrial Research Ltd., New Zealand. +Lines: 10 +NNTP-Posting-Host: grv.grace.cri.nz + + +Does anyone know of software that will allow +you to convert CorelDraw (.CDR) files +containing bitmaps to SCODAL, as this is the +only format our bureau's filmrecorder recognises. + +Jeff Lyall +Inst.Geo.Nuc.Sci.Ltd +Lower Hutt New Zealand + +";1;True +"Distribution: world +From: David_A._Schnider@bmug.org +Organization: BMUG, Inc. +Subject: Re: x86 ~= 680x0 ?? (How do they compare?) +Lines: 11 + +The real question here in my opinion is what Motorola processors running system +7 on a MAC are comparable to what Intel processors running Windows on a PC? I +recall there being a conversation here that a 486/25 running Windows benchmarks +at about the same speed as 25Mhz 030 in system 7. I don't know if that is +true, but I would love to hear if anyone has any technical data on this. + +-David + +**** From Planet BMUG, the FirstClass BBS of BMUG. The message contained in +**** this posting does not in any way reflect BMUG's official views. + +";0;True +"From: spira@panix.com (Greg Spira) +Subject: Re: And America's Team is....But Why? +Organization: Panix Public Access Internet & Unix, NYC +Lines: 12 + +In article cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (OrioleFan@uiuc) writes: +> +> The defenition of the Underdog is a team that has no talent and comes +>out of nowhere to contend. The '69 Mets and '89 Orioles are prime examples, + +Uh, I don't think you can call a team with Tom Seaver, Jerry Koosman, +and Nolan Ryan on the pitching staff a team that has ""no talent."" They +did come out of nowhere, but some of the improvement was +forseeable. + +Greg + +";14;True +"From: danmg@grok85.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Daniel Adams) +Subject: Re: BMW 3 series for 94? +Nntp-Posting-Host: grok85.columbiasc.ncr.com +Reply-To: dan@Grok85.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM +Organization: NCR Corporation +Lines: 19 + +In article <1qll56INNp9r@uwm.edu>, qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Aamir Hafeez Qazi) writes: +|> From article , by eabu288@orion.oac.uci.edu (Alvin): +|> > +|> > Is there going to be a BMW 328 in 1994? +|> +|> --Could be. Isn't the 2.5 liter six supposed to be enlarged to 2.8 liters +|> in the not-too-distant future? +|> + +Makes sense, since the new Mercedes Benz engines go from 2.2L-4 to a 2.8L-6. +Nothing in between. BTW, I beleive the numbers on those MB engines are +156 and 225 hp respectively. The one-upmanship in hp might induce BMW +to create a larger six. Also, the 2.6 190E has lagged behind the 3-er +2.5 for some time wrt hp. I am sure the Bavarians wouldn't want to be +""shown-up"" by the Schwabians. + +PS- those MB engines haven't been released over here yet. + +daniel +";10;True +"From: gpatapis@boyd.tansu.com.au (George Patapis) +Subject: Re: DESQview/X on a PC and network Traffic +Organization: AOTC - CSSC +Lines: 71 +Distribution: world +Reply-To: gpatapis@boyd.tansu.com.au +NNTP-Posting-Host: boyd.cssc-syd.tansu.com.au + + +In article 1369@qdeck.com, support@qdeck.com (Technical Support) writes: +>In article <1qtk84$rn5@picasso.cssc-syd.tansu.com.au> gpatapis@boyd.tansu.com.au writes: +> +>>What sort of traffic is generated with the X-calls? I am curious to find +>>out the required bandwidth that a link must have if one machine running +>>DV/X is supporting multiple users (clients) and we require adequate response +>>time. Anyone have any ideas ?? +> +>I expect the limiting factor will be your server machine, not the network +>itself. To give you a real-world example, here at Quarterdeck we have +>roughly 100 people using DVX to talk to a bunch of unix boxes, novell +>file servers, and each other. It's not _too_ much of a load on our +>Ethernet (with maybe 4 concentrators, so you have 20-30 people on each +>segment). If you had a badly loaded net, or the apps you wanted to run +>were very network intensive, you could run into some slowdowns. +> +>But the biggest problem would be the machine itself. Say you have a 486 +>33 with plenty of ram and a fast hard disk and network card. If you have +>10 people running programs off it, you're going to see some slowdowns +>because you're now on (effectively) a 3.3 MHz 486. Of course, DVX will +>attempt to see if tasks are idle and make sure they give up their time +>slice, but if you have 10 working programs running, you'll know it. +> + +Well I can buy a bigger and more powerful server machine because of the +significant drop in price year after year. The link I want to use +though (ISDN 64K) is costly and the bandwidth limited. That's why my +interest lies in seeing if such a link can be used and see what traffic +goes through it. + + +>Having said that, if you can tweak the programs being run (by adding +>in calls to give up time slices when idle and that sort of +>thing), you could probably run 15-20 people on a given machine before +>you started seeing slowdowns again (this time from network bandwidth). + +Hmmm. Has anyone at your centre monitored the traffic at all? Are you +running any standard MS-Windows programs like Word ? What sort of +packets go blazing through? What size link do you have (2Mb or 10Mb ?). +What is the average traffic flow going through your network or do you +have few high peaks and then many low points? + + +>It all really depends on what the programs are doing (ie. you're going +>to see a slowdown from X-bandwidth a lot sooner if your apps are all +>doing network things also...) +>-- + +What do you mean by network things? I vision using MS Windows and other +Windows applications over the network were the processes are running on +the server and all I am getting are the displays. I am wondering how +good is the X and subsequently DV/X protocol in transferring these +images with X-calls and displaying them on a client's machine. + + +> Quarterdeck Office Systems - Internet Support - Tom Bortels +> Pricing/Ordering : info@qdeck.com | Tech Questions : support@qdeck.com +> BBS: (310) 314-3227 * FAX: (310) 314-3217 * Compuserve: GO QUARTERDECK +> Q/Fax: (310) 314-3214 from touch-tone phone for Technotes On Demand! + + + + +--- +__/ __/ George Patapis ---------------------PAN METRON ARISTON---------- __/ __/ +__/ __/ Telecom C.S.S.C Lane Cove---email:gpatapis@cssc-syd.tansu.com.au __/ __/ +__/ __/ P.O.Box A792 Sydney South --fax :(02) 911 3 199---------------- __/ __/ +__/ __/ NSW, 2000, Australia.-------voice:(02) 911 3 121---------------- __/ __/ + + +";12;True +"From: pmetzger@snark.shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger) +Subject: Re: Do we need the clipper for cheap security? +Organization: Partnership for an America Free Drug +Lines: 17 + +gtoal@gtoal.com (Graham Toal) writes: +> +>In the UK, it's impossible to get approval to attach any crypto device +>to the phone network. (Anything that plugs in to our BT phone sockets +>must be approved - for some reason crypto devices just never are...) +> + +Whats the difference between a V.32bis modem and a V.32bis modem? + +I'm not being entirely silly here: what I'm pointing out is that the +modems that they have already approved for data transmission will work +just fine to transmit scrambled vocoded voice. + +-- +Perry Metzger pmetzger@shearson.com +-- +Laissez faire, laissez passer. Le monde va de lui meme. +";16;True +"From: Peter.vanderveen@visser.el.wau.nl (Peter van der Veen) +Subject: Re: Fonts in POV?? +Lines: 30 +Organization: Wageningen Agricultural University +X-Newsreader: FTPNuz (DOS) v1.0 + +In Article <1qg9fc$et9@wampyr.cc.uow.edu.au> ""g9134255@wampyr.cc.uow.edu.au (Coronado Emmanuel Abad)"" says: +> +> +> I have seen several ray-traced scenes (from MTV or was it +> RayShade??) with stroked fonts appearing as objects in the image. +> The fonts/chars had color, depth and even textures associated with +> them. Now I was wondering, is it possible to do the same in POV?? +> +> +> Thanks, +> +> Noel +> +Yes, there are serveral programs which can convert font files (eq the Borland +fonts) to objects consisting of spheres, cones etc. +I've used a program (forgot its name/place, but i can look for it) which +converted these Borland fonts to three different raytracers. Vivid, POV and +Polyray (which i like more (more flexibel/faster/use of expressions etc). +The program has a lot nice features. +So if interested give me a mail. + + /*---------*\*/*-------------------------------------------*\ + *| ____/| *|* PETER.VANDERVEEN@VISSER.EL.WAU.NL |* + *| \ o.O| *|* Department of Genetics |* + *| =(_)= *|* Agricultural University |* + *| U *|* Wageningen, The Netherlands |* + \*---------*/*\*-------------------------------------------*/ +";1;True +"From: dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) +Subject: Accounts of Anti-Armenian Human Right Violations in Azerbaijan #012 +Summary: Prelude to Current Events in Nagorno-Karabakh +Organization: S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies +Lines: 622 + + Accounts of Anti-Armenian Human Right Violations in Azerbaijan #012 + Prelude to Current Events in Nagorno-Karabakh + + +---------------------------------------------------------+ + | | + | I saw a naked girl with her hair down. They were | + | dragging her. She kept falling because they were | + | pushing her and kicking her. She fell down, it was | + | muddy there, and later other witnesses who saw it from | + | their balconies told us, they seized her by the hair | + | and dragged her a couple of blocks, as far as the | + | mortgage bank, that's a good block and a half or two | + | from here. I know this for sure because I saw it | + | myself. | + | | + +---------------------------------------------------------+ + + +DEPOSITION OF TATYANA MIKHAILOVNA ARUTUNIAN (NEZHINTSEVA) + + Born 1932 + Train Conductor + Azerbaijani Railroad + + Resident at Building 13/15, Apartment 27 + Microdistrict No. 3 + Sumgait [Azerbaijan] + +I hadn't lived very long in Sumgait, only eight years. I moved there from +Novosibirsk. My son entered the Baku Nautical School, and so I transferred +to Azerbaijan. Later I met someone and married him, and now my name is +Arutunian, my husband's name . . . + +That there would be a massacre was not discussed openly, but there were hints +and gibes, so to speak, at the Armenian people, and they were mocking the +Russians, too. I was constantly aware of it at work, and not just this past +year. I couldn't find a definite place for myself in the pool at work because +I, I'll just say it, couldn't steal, couldn't deceive, and couldn't be +involved in bribe-taking. And when I asked for decent working conditions they +told me, ""Leave, don't keep the others from working, you aren't cut out for +this kind of work."" And at work and around all the time I would hear gibes at +the Armenians, like ""The Turks had it right, they killed them all--the way +they've multiplied here they're making it hard for us to live,"" and ""Things +will be just fine if we get rid of them all."" ""No problem, the Turks will +help,"" they say, ""if we ask them, they'll rid Armenia of Armenians in half an +hour."" Well that's the way it all was, but I never thought, of course that it +would spill over into a bloody tragedy, because you just couldn't imagine it. +Here we've been living under the Soviet government for 70 years, and no one +even considered such an idea possible. + +But I had been forming my own opinions, and in the presence of authoritative +people I would often ask, ""Where is this all leading, do people really not see +what kind of situation is emerging here. The Russians are fleeing Sumgait, +there are very few of them left. Why is no one dealing with this, what's going +on?"" And when it all happened on the 27th and 28th, it became clear that +everything had been arranged by someone, because what else are you to make of +it if the First Secretary of the City Party Committee is marching ahead of the +demonstration with an Azerbaijani flag? I wouldn't be saying this now if I +hadn't received personal confirmation from him later. Because when we were +under guard in the SK club on the 1st, he came to the club, that Muslimzade. +The women told me, ""There he is, there he is, that's Muslimzade."" I didn't +believe the rumors that he had carried an Azerbaijani flag. I thought that +they were just false rumors. I went over to him and said, ""Are you the First +Secretary of our City Party Committee?"" He answers me, ""Yes."" And I ask him, +""Tell me, did you really march ahead of that gang carrying an Azerbaijani +flag, and behind you they were carrying denigrating signs, I don't know +exactly what they said, but there was mention of Armenian blood?"" And he tells +me, ""Yes, I was there, but I tried to dissuade them from it."" Then I asked him +another question: ""And where were you when they were burning and slaughtering +us? And he said, ""I. . . We didn't know what to do, we didn't know, we didn't +anticipate that that would happen in Sumgait."" + +Comrade Mamedov, the First Deputy Chairman of the Council of Ministers of the +Azerbaijani SSR, answered the same question for me: ""No, we actually didn't +anticipate the slaughter in Sumgait. At that time we were trying to contain +the crowd of 45,000 in Baku that was preparing for a massacre."" Those are his +exact words, the ones he said in the office of the Council of Ministers of the +Armenian SSR. + +And now, about the events themselves. Of course it's painful to discuss them, +because it may seem that it's not true to someone else. Various rumors +concerning what happened are making the rounds: some are true, others aren't. +But unfortunately there are more true ones than false, because it was so +horrible: in our age, here in the space age, the age of science, the age of +progress, I don't know, if someone had told me this story, if I were living in +or around Moscow, I wouldn't have believed it. Why not? Because it was really +a genocide, it was a massacre. That's genuinely what it was. + +For example, on that day, the 28th--I didn't know about the 27th because my +husband and I were both sick, both of us had the flu, and we were in bed--on +the 28th our neighbor comes to our place and says, ""You're in bed? You don't +know anything about it? There was a demonstration in town, and after it they +were overturning Armenian cars and burning them. They were looking into cars +and asking, 'Are you an Armenian?' If they answered in Armenian, then they +turned the car over and burned it."" This isn't made up, the wife of the Senior +Investigator of the Baku Ministry of Internal Affairs told us. He was +returning home from his dacha with his wife, Raisa Sevastyanova, she's my +neighbor. She immediately came and told LIS that they had landed right in the +middle of it, I don't know what to call it, the cavalcade of automobiles they +were stopping. He answered in Azerbaijani, they let them go, but they made him +honk the horn, they were kicking up a fracas. We didn't even believe it, and +I said, ""Certainly that didn't happen, how can that be?"" And she said, +""Muslimzade was leading the crowd, and the Sputnik store was completely +smashed because most of the salespeople there are Armenians. And when he saw +that they had started breaking the glass in that store, he said, ""Don't break +the shop windows, don't destroy state property, but do whatever else you want. +"" I didn't hear this with my own two ears, but it is a fact that the store was +torn up and the director of the store was beaten for employing Armenians +although he's an Azerbaijani. + +While we were talking, all of a sudden right across from us . . . Sevastyanova +is the first to look out the window and say, ""Look, there's a crowd out +there."" And sure enough, when we looked out there we saw that the crowd had +already started wrecking the neighboring building. There was an Armenian +family there, a woman and two girls. They lived across from us. I'm sorry, I +don't know the building number or the people's names, since we were in my +husband's apartment, in Microdistrict 8, and I lived in Microdistrict No. 3. +There was awful looting going on there at the time, the most hideous things +were going on there then. One building there, ours, was attacked twice, once +wasn't enough for them. They returned to the places where they hadn't finished +the Armenians off. If an Azerbaijani family dared to conceal Armenians, they +beat the Azerbaijanis too. They also beat Russians, if it was Russians doing +the hiding. Because there were Russians among them, they said so on +television, there were people of various nationalities. But they didn't tell +us why there were people of different nationalities. Because they wouldn't +have touched the Azerbaijanis if they hadn't dared to stick up for the +Armenians and give them temporary shelter in their homes. + +At the time I saw this from the window I was there, Sevastyanova was there, +and so was my husband. We went out onto the balcony and saw a television fly +off a balcony. All kinds of things, even a sofa. Then, when it was all down +there, they burned it up. Then we saw the crowd, and they were all oohing. At +first I couldn't figure out what was happening. And later I told my husband, +""Lendrush, l think they're beating someone out there."" And he answered, ""I +don't know, could be."" Suddenly the crowd separated for a moment, and I saw +it, and Raisa Sevastyanova saw it too. My husband had turned the other way, +he didn't see it. I saw a naked girl with her hair down. They were dragging +her. She kept falling because they were pushing her and kicking her. She fell +down, it was muddy there, and later other witnesses who saw it from their +balconies told us, they seized her by the hair and dragged her a couple of +blocks, as far as the mortgage bank, that's a good block and a half or two +from here. I know this for sure because I saw it myself. + +Then the crowd rushed toward our building. We were standing there, and you can +of course imagine what we were feeling. Were they going to kill us or not? And +I also had the awful thought that they might torment me the way they tormented +that woman, because I had just seen that. + +I asked my husband. I gave him an axe and said, ""You kill me first, and then +let them do what they want with the corpse."" But our neighbors, it's true, +defended us, they said, ""There aren't any Armenians in our entryway, go away, +only Muslims live here."" Disaster missed us that time. + +But at two o'clock in the morning a crowd of about 15 people, approximately, +came back to our place. My husband was already asleep. He can sleep when he's +upset about something, but I can't. I was standing, running from balcony to +balcony. Our power was out, I don't remember for how long, but it was as +though it had been deliberately turned off. There were no lights whatsoever, +and I was glad, of course. I thought it was better that way. But then I look +and the crowd is at our balcony. This was at 2:15 in the morning. The first +time they were at our building it was 6:30, and now it was 2:15 in the +morning. But I never thought that that old woman on the first floor, the +Azerbaijani, was awake and watching out, there were human beings among them +too. So she goes out with a pail of garbage, as though she needed to be taking +garbage out at two o'clock in the morning. She used it as a pretext and went +toward those young people. They really were youngsters. From my balcony you +could see perfectly that they were young Azerbaijani boys. They spoke +Azerbaijani. And when they came up to her she said, ""What do you want?"" And +they answered, ""We want the Armenian family that lives here"" [pointing toward +the second floor with their hands]. She says, ""I already told you, we don't +have any Armenians here, now leave, do you hear, this is an old Muslim woman +talking to you,"" and grabbed the hand of one boy who was trying to walk around +her and enter the building anyway and started pushing him away. And so they +seemed to listen to her. They were all very young, they started apologizing +and left. That was the second time death was at our door. + +I forgot to mention about one other apartment, a man named Rubik lives there, +I don't know him really, I knew his daughter, I mean I saw her around, but we +really didn't know them. But I do know that that guy who lives on the fourth +floor across from our entryway went to Chernobyl and worked there for eight +months, to earn money. Can you imagine what that means? He risked his life to +earn X amount of money in order to better his family. He bought new furniture +and was getting ready to give his daughter's hand in marriage, but, alas, +everything was ruined by those creeps and scoundrels. They threw everything +out the windows, and the rest we saw from our balcony: how the neighbors on +the left and right ran into the apartment and carried off everything that +hadn't already been smashed or taken. What is one to think of that? It means +that the parents in those families were in on it too. Unfortunately I came to +be of the opinion that it was all organized and that everything had been +foreseen in advance: both the beating of the Armenians and the stripping of +apartments. Something on the order of ""We'll move the Armenians out and take +over their apartments."" + +I have worked honestly my whole life, you can check everything about me. I +came as a patriot from China, waited for nights on end in front of the +Consulate General of the USSR, I came to my homeland as a patriot because I +knew that the Party and the Komsomol were holy things. But when I saw in +Sumgait that there wasn't anything holy about them, that Party membership was +bought, that Komsomol members joined only for personal gain, that there were +no ideals, no ideas, God save me, everything was being bought and sold, I saw +all of it and understood how they could allow that crap to go on like it did. + +I can't talk any more about it . . . the image of that beating . . . When I +went out of my own apartment--they picked us up under Soviet Army guard, they +had arrived from all over to suppress that gang--not only Armenians, but some +Russian families and their children, too, came out of their apartments and +joined us, because no normal person who had seen that could stay there with +the situation the way it was. And what's interesting is that when we left on +the buses I rode and thought that at least one group of people, for sure +people would basically rise to the situation, would have some compassion for +the Armenians, would somehow understand the injustice of what was done. But +having analyzed and weighed the whole thing, once I calmed down, having +thought it all through, I came to a conclusion that is shared by many people. +If a lot of Azerbaijanis didn't want their Armenian neighbors to be killed, +and that basically depended on that Muslimzade--he said that he had wanted to +calm them down--then is it possible that he didn't have people at hand to whom +he could whisper at the last minute, ""Go and announce it on television: +Citizens of Sumgait! Take what you can into your hands, let's protect our +neighbors from this massacre?"" Those crowds weren't such that there was no +controlling them. Basically they were unarmed. They didn't have firearms, +mostly they had knives, they had all kinds of metal parts, like armature +shafts, sharpened at the ends, special rocks, different to a degree that we +noticed them: there aren't rocks like those in Sumgait soils, they were +brought from somewhere, as though it were all specially planned. So as I was +saying, I weighed it all out and if any of our neighbors had wanted to defend +us, why wasn't it arranged? It means that the government didn't want to do +it. When the crowd was moving from the City Party Committee to the Sputnik, +what, there was no way of informing Baku? No, there was no way, it turns out! +The crowd was doing violence in our microdistrict. I won't mention the things +I didn't see myself, I'll only talk about the things I myself witnessed. They +were in Microdistrict 8 beginning at 6 o'clock in the evening, when I saw them +from the other building, and they were somewhere else until mid-night or one +o'clock in the morning, because at 2:15 they came back to our building. They +hadn't completely finished making their predatory rounds of Microdistrict 8. +When they returned to our building I told my husband, ""Lendrush, now the +police are probably going to come, my God, now the authorities are probably +going to find out and come to our aid."" Well, alas, no, there were to be no +authorities, not a single policeman, not a single fireman, not a single +ambulance came while they were raging, as it turns out, as we later found out, +beginning on the Might of the 27th. There were dead people, ruined apartments, +and burned autos: one car near the bus station, it was burned and overturned, +it was probably there about four days, everyone saw it and what went on in +Block 45! Those who live there know, they saw from their balconies how they +attacked the soldiers in the buses, how they beat those poor, unarmed +soldiers, and how on that square, I can't remember the name of it, where there +is that fork coming from the bus station, that intersection, now I'm upset and +I can't think of the name . . . there's a tall building there, a 9-story, and +from the balconies there people saw that butchery, when the poor soldiers, +wearing only helmets, with shields and those unfortunate clubs, moved against +that mob. And when they fell, those 12-to 14-year-old boys ran up and using +stones, big heavy stones, beat them to death on their heads. Who could have +guessed that something like that could happen in the Soviet Union and under +the Soviet government? The upshot is that this republic has not been under +Soviet control for a long time, but no one wanted to pay any attention or get +involved. + +If you were to go and ask at my work many people would confirm that I tell the +truth, I've been struggling for truth for five years there already, the five +years that I worked at the Azerbaijani railroad. Some people there considered +me a demagogue, others who knows what; some think I'm an adventure seeker, and +some, a prankster. But I wanted everything to be right, I would become +outraged: how can this be, why is it people treat one another this way on a +Soviet railroad, as though the Azerbaijani railroad were Azerbaijani property, +or the property of some magnate, or some ""mafia"": If I want to, I'll get you +out of here; If I want to, I'll get rid of you; If I want to, I'll do +something else? And there's a black market price for everything, in the most +brazen way: a coach to Moscow costs so much, a coach on a local train costs so +much. Once when I was complaining to the head of the conductor's pool, he had +the nerve to tell me, maybe you won't even believe this, but this, I'm afraid, +I heard with my own ears: ""Tatyana, just how long can you fight for something +that you know will never have any effect? You're alone against everyone, so +instead why don't you give more money to the chief conductor, and everything +will go fine for you."" I started to cry, turned, and left. What else could I +do, where else could I go to complain? I realized that everything was useless. +And the root of the whole thing is that it all goes on and no one wants to see +it. I filed a written complaint, and they ground it into dust, they destroyed +it, I still have a copy, but what's the use? When the General Procuracy got +involved with the investigation of the bloody Sumgait affair, in addition to +the information about what I saw, what I was a witness to, I gave testimony +about the mafia at the railroad. They accepted my petition, but I don't know +if they're going to pursue it or not. Because, you'll excuse me, I no longer +believe in the things I aspired to, the things I believed in before: It's all +dead. They just spit on my soul, stomped on everything, physically, and most +important, spiritually, because you can lose belongings, that's nonsense, that +all comes with time, but when your soul is spit upon and when the best in +you--your beliefs--are destroyed, it can be very difficult to restore them... + +I want to tell of one incident. I just don't know, at the time I was in such a +state that I didn't even take minor things into account. Here is an example. +Of course, it's not a minor one. My neighbor, Raisa Sevastyanova, she has a +son, Valery, who is in the 9th grade in a school in Microdistrict 8. A boy, +Vitaly [Danielian], I don't know his last name, goes to school with him, or +rather, went to school with him. I was just sitting in an apartment trying to +make a phone call to Moscow . . . Oh yes, and there's one important detail: +When the massacre began, for two to three hours the phones weren't working in +Armenian apartments, and later, in several Russian and Azerbaijani apartments. +But the fact of the matter is that service was shut off, you could not call +anywhere. Why? Again, it means it was all planned. How come service is cut off +for no reason? And the lights went off. And those brats were raging as they +liked They weren't afraid, they ran about freely, they that no one would slap +their hands and no one would dare to stop them. They knew it. + +Now I'm going to tell about the incident. So this little Vitaly, Vitalik, an +Armenian boy, went to school with Valery; they were in the same class. +According to what Valery and his neighbor pal said--at the time I was in the +same apartment as they were, I sat at the phone waiting for the call to be put +through--a mob attacked the building where Vitalik lived. So Valery ran to +his mother and said, ""Mamma, please let me go to Vitalik's, what if they kill +him? Maybe he's still alive, maybe we can bring him here and save him somehow. +. . . He's a nice guy, we all like him, he's a good person, he's smart."" His +mother wouldn't let him go. In tears, she says, ""Valery, you can't go because +I am afraid."" He says, ""Mamma, we can get around the crowd. We'll just watch, +just have a look."" They made it through. I don't know, I think Vitalik's +parents lived in Microdistrict No. 1, and when they got there, they made a +superficial deduction. Knowing that balconies and doors were being broken +everywhere, that you could see from the street which were the Armenian +apartments in the building, they went here and there and looked, and saw that +the windows were intact, and so they calmed down. But even though the windows +in that apartment were not broken, everything inside was totally smashed, and +Vitalik lay there with a broken skull, and his mother and father had already +been murdered. Little Vitalik didn't even know they were dead. So two weeks +ago, I don't know, he was in critical condition, no, maybe it was longer: we +left Sumgait on March 20, spent some time in Moscow, and then we came to +Yerevan. So it's been about a month already; it's so hard to keep all this +straight. So Valery, the next day, when he found out that Vitalik's family has +been killed and Vitalik was ling in the Semashko Hospital in Baku, Valery and +his classmates got together and went to visit him. But they wouldn't admit +them, telling them that he was in critical condition and that he was still in +a coma. They cried and left, having also found out that the girl I saw being +kicked and dragged was in that hospital too. As it turns out she was brought +there in serious condition, but at least she was alive at the time . . . + +When we got to the SK club we would see first one friend and then another, +throw ourselves into their arms and kiss them, because you had wondered if +these friends were alive or not, if those friends were alive or not . . . And +when you saw them you were so glad to find out that the family had lived! When +you saw people you heard things that made your hair stand on end. + +If you publish everything that happened it will be a hideous book. A book of +things it is even difficult to believe. And those two girls who were raped +were entirely black and blue, the ones at the SK, they know I'm not lying, +that girlfriend came up to one of them and said, ""What happened?"" and she +bared her breasts, and they were completely covered in cigarette burns . . . +those rogues had put cigarettes out on her breasts. After something like that +I don't know how you can live in a city and look at the people in it. + +Now . . . When we stayed at the military unit for a while, they provided, +well, basic conditions for us there. The military unit is located in Nasosny, +some six miles from Sumgait. And living there we met with a larger group +of people. There were about 1,600 people at the unit. You know, there was a +point when I couldn't even go outside because if you went outside you saw +so much heartbreak around you. And when you hear the false rumors . . . + +Yes, by the way, false rumors were spread in Sumgait saying that the Armenians +around Yerevan had destroyed Azerbaijani villages and razed them to the ground +with bulldozers. I didn't know whether to believe it or not. And people who +don't know any better get the idea that it was all done in revenge. But when +I arrived in Armenia and was in Spitak, and in Spitak all those villages are +not only intact, but at that time had even been protected just in case, they +were guarded, they got better food than did the inhabitants of Spitak. Not a +single person there died, and no one is planning to harm them. Around Yerevan +all the villages are safe and unharmed, and the Armenians didn't attack +anyone. But actually, after an evil of the magnitude suffered in Sumgait there +could have been a feeling of vengefulness, but no one acted on it. And I don't +know why you sometimes hear accusations to the effect that the Armenians are +guilty, that it is they who organized it. Rumors like that are being spread in +Azerbaijan. And if one old person says it and ten young ones hear it, they not +only perceive it with their minds, but with their hearts, too. To them it +seems that the older person is telling the truth. For example, one says; ""Did +you know that out of 31 people killed (by the way, originally they said 31 +people, but later they found a 32nd), 30 were Azerbaijani and one was an +Armenian?"" + +Of course I'm upset, but it's utterly impossible to discuss such things and +not become upset. Sometimes l forget things, but I know I want to return to +the time when we were in the SK club across from the City Party Committee. +When I saw Muslimzade in the SK club building I went to him to ask because I +couldn't believe that he had marched in the front carrying a banner. I already +mentioned this, and if I repeat anything, please excuse me. I asked him, ""Why +did you do that and why are you here now, why did you come here? To laugh at +these women who are strewn about on the floor?"" The overcrowding there was +tremendous, it was completely unsanitary, and several of the children were +already sick. It's true the troops tried to make it livable for us. They +cooked for us on their field stoves and provided us with wonderful food, but +the thing is that their main job was to ferret out the gang that was still at +it everywhere, that was continuing its sordid affairs everywhere. Plus they +were never given any direct orders, they didn't know what they were authorized +to do and not to do. And it was only on March 8 at five o'clock in the evening +that Krayev himself, the Lieutenant General, the City Commandant of Sumgait, +was given full authority and told everyone over a microphone from an armored +personnel carrier that now he could do what he wanted to do, as his heart +advised him, and relocate people to the military unit. + +But that's not what I want to talk about now. Muslimzade, characteristically, +tried to get me out of the SK building and take me to the City Party +Committee, which is across the square from the club. He took me by the +hand and said, ""Citizen, don't worry, we'll go and have a talk in my office. +I told him, ""No, after everything you've done, I don't believe one iota of +what you say. If I go to the City Party Committee I'll disappear, and the +traces of me will disappear too. Because you can't stand it when . . . "" Oh +yes, and there was another interesting detail from that meeting. It was even +very funny, although at the time I wasn't up to laughing. He was in a nice, +expensive hat, and so as to put him to shame, so to speak, I said, ""Oh, why +did you come here all duded up like a London dandy, you smell of good perfume, +you're in your starched shirt, and you have your expensive hat on. You came +to ridicule the poor women and children who are lying on the floor, who are +already getting sick, whose relatives have died. Did you come to laugh at +them?"" And the one who was accompanying him, an Azerbaijani, I don't know who +he was or what his title was, he quickly snatched the hat off Muslimzade's head +and hid it. Then I said, ""My God! We're not marauders. We're not you! We +didn't come to you with the intention of stealing!"" ""Well kill me, kill me!"" +Muslimzade says to me, ""But I'm not guilty . . . kill me, kill me, but I'm not +guilty."" And I say, ""OK, fine, you're not guilty, have it your way. But give +us an answer, we're asking you: Where were you when they were torturing and +raping those poor women, when they were killing the children, burning things, +carrying on outrageously, and wrecking all those apartments? Where were you +then?"" ""You know, we didn't expect it, we did not know what to do, we didn't +anticipate that something like that would happen in Sumgait."" I started +laughing and said, ""It's truly funny."" He says, ""What could I do? We didn't +know what to do."" And I say, ""I'm sorry, but it'll be ridiculous if I tell +you: The First Secretary of the City Party Committee shouldn't march out in +front with a banner; he should fall down so that the gang would have to cross +over his dead body. That's what you should have done. That's the way it was +during the war. Not a single party committee secretary compromised himself; +either he died or he led people into battle. And what did you do? You ran +away, you left, you hid, you marched with a flag, because you were afraid, +excuse my language, you feared for your own damned hide. And when we ask you, +you tell us that you got confused and you ask me what you could have done? +That's right,"" I told him, ""the City party committee got confused, all the +party committees got confused, the police got confused,. Baku got confused, +they all lay in a faint for two weeks, and the gang ran the show with +impunity. And if it weren't for the troops it wouldn't have been just two +days, there wouldn't be a single Armenian left in Sumgait for sure, they would +have finished their bloody affair, because they brazenly went up to some +Russians, too, the ones who tried to say something to them, and they told +them, 'As soon as we finish with the Armenians we'll come after you, too."" + +And by the way, there was a colonel, who took us to the military unit. He was +the one with the light blue collar tabs who flew in and two hours later +arrived on an armored personnel carrier when we were at the SK and took us to +the military unit and who later started moving us from the military unit. We +asked him, ""What? How? What will come of us?"" He openly said, ""You know, for +us the main thing now is to catch that gang. We'll finish that quickly. You'll +stay at the military unit for the time being, and we'll decide later."" The +General Procuracy of the USSR arrived, it consists of investigators from all +cities. There were some from Stavropol, from everywhere, just everywhere, because +the affair was truly frightful. About this, by the way, Comrade Katusev spoke; +as everyone knows, he's the First Deputy General Procurator of the USSR. When +he gave us a speech from the armored personnel carrier at the military unit, +by the way, he told us the honest truth, because he couldn't not say it, +because he was still experiencing his first impressions of what he had seen, +and he said, ""There was Afghanistan; and it was bad, but Sumgait--it's +horrible! And the people who dared to do such a thing will be severely +punished, in accordance with our laws."" And that's a quote. Then one mother +throws herself at him--her two sons had died before her very eyes--and says, +""Who will return my sons? Who is going to punish the [culprits]?"" They tried +to calm her down, and he said, ""In order for us to conduct a proper +investigation, in order that not a single scoundrel avoid responsibility, you +must help us, because we don't know, maybe there was someone else in the gang +who is now being concealed in homes, and maybe the neighbors know, maybe +someone saw something. Don't be afraid, write about it in detail. So that +you're not afraid . . . Everyone knows that many of you are afraid, having +lived through such horrors, they think that if they write the whole truth +about, let's say, their neighbor or someone else, that they will seek revenge +later. We're going to do it like this: We're going to set up an urn and you +can throw what you write in there. We don't need to know who wrote it. The +names of the people who write won't be made public, but we need all the +information. Let each and every one not be afraid, let each write what is +necessary, who they saw in that gang, who made threats or shouted threatening +gibes about the Armenians . . . You must describe all of these people and put +the information into the urn."" + +Two soldiers and a major guarded the urn. And, sure enough, many people, +people who didn't even want to write . . .I know one woman who asked me, she +came up and said, ""You, as a Russian, the same thing won't happen to you as +will happen to me. So please . . . I'll give you the information, and you +please write it down for me."" So she was afraid, and there were a lot like +her . . . But later, after Katusev made his speech, she sat and wrote down +everything she knew. And we threw it all into the urn. Now we don't know if +it will be of any use. For a factual picture will emerge from all that +information. One person can lie, but thousands can't lie, thousands simply +can't lie. You have to agree with that, a fact is a fact. Why, for example, +should someone say that black is white if it is really black? + + The First Deputy Chairman of the Council of Ministers of the Azerbaijani +SSR, Mamedov, as I said, was in Yerevan. My husband and I were at the Council +of Ministers of the Armenian SSR and found out that Mamedov was present, the +one who had come to convince the people of Sumgait to return to their +previous dwellings, to their old apartments. We asked for a meeting with him, +and it was granted. When we went to see him he tried to behave properly, very +politely, delicately, but . . . when the truth was told right to his face and +when I asked him some of the same questions I had asked Muslimzade, ""Where were +you personally when they were beating us? Now you're trying to convince us to +return, why didn't you think at the time that they were slaughtering us where +it was all leading?"" he says, ""You're telling the truth. Let's not mince +words. You've told me right to my face, and I'll tell you straight. I'll tell +you the pure truth. I was gotten out of bed in the evening, the whole +government was up, including me, and we were restraining a crowd of about +45,000 in Baku. But we never expected that in a city like Sumgait, with its +fine international record, such a thing could happen. We expected it in Baku."" +I say, ""So that means you expected it all the same? Why were you expecting +it?"" And he says, ""You know, it just happened that way. We were expecting it +in Baku, we were trying to restrain it, but in Sumgait . . . "" I say, ""Fine, +you didn't know for the first three or four hours, but then you should have +known. Why did no one help us?"" And he says, ""Well, OK, we didn't know what to +do"" and things like that. Basically it was the same story I got from +Muslimzade. Later, when he said, ""You go on back, the situation in Sumgait is +favorable now, everything is fine, the Armenians are friendly with the +Azerbaijanis . . . "" To this l answered, ""You know what . . . I'm speaking +with you as a [member of a] neutral nation . . . I have never argued with +Armenians or with Azerbaijanis and I was an eyewitness . . . You tell me, +please, Comrade Mamedov, "" I asked him, ""What would you say about this +honestly, if you were being completely frank with us?"" Then he said, ""Yes, I +admit that I am honestly ashamed, shame on the entire Azerbaijani nation, we +have disgraced ourselves not only before the entire Soviet Union, but before +the whole world. Because now the Voice of America and all the other foreign +radio stations of various hues are branding us with all kinds of rumors, too."" +And I say, ""There's nothing to add to what really happened. I don't think it's +possible to add anything more awful."" He says, ""Yes, I agree with you, I +understand your pain, it is truly an unfortunate occurrence."" I repeat that he +said ""unfortunate occurrence."" And then he suddenly remembered himself, what +he was saying--he had a pen in his hands, he was fidgeting with it nervously-- +and said, ""Oh, excuse me, a tragedy, really . . . "" I take this to mean that +he really thinks it's an ""unfortunate occurrence."" ""And of course,"" he says, +""I understand that having gone through all this you can't return to Sumgait, +but it's necessary to cool down and realize that all those people are being +tried."" And he even gave a detail, which, I don't know if it matters or not, +that 160 policemen were being tried. Specifically in relation to that bloody +affair. + +Yes, by the way, there is another good detail, how I was set up at work in +Baku after the events. I went to an undergarment plant, there was an +Azerbaijani working there, and suddenly she tells me, ""What, they didn't +nail your husband? They screwed up."" I was floored, I hadn't imagined that +anyone in Baku, too, could say something like that. Well after that I went up +to see . . . to my office, I needed to find out about those days, what was +going to happen with them, how they were going to put down those days from +February 29 to March 10 . . . and the administrator told me, ""I don't know, +Tatyana, go to the head of the conductors' pool. Be grateful if they don't +put it down as unexcused absence."" I was really discouraged by this. They all +know that we were but a hair away from death and barely survived, and here +they're telling me that I was skipping work, as though I was off enjoying +myself somewhere. I went to the office of the chief of the pool, his last name +is Rasulov, and he's had that position for many years. Incidentally, he's a +Party member, and is a big man in town. And suddenly, when I went to him and +said, ""Comrade Rasulov, this is the way it was . . . "" He looked at me askance +and said, ""And why are you""--he knows me by my previous last name--""why did +you get wrapped up in this mess?"" I say, ""What do you mean, why did I get +wrapped up in this mess? My husband's an Armenian,"" I tell him, ""I have an +Armenian last name."" And he screwed up his face, made a kind of a grimace, as +though he had eaten something sour, and said, ""I didn't expect that you would +. . . "" What did he mean by that? And ""how"" should he behave, the chief of the +pool, a man who supervises 1,700 workers? Now, it's true, there was a +reduction, but for sure there are still 1,200 conductors working for him. And +if someone who supervises a staff that size says things like that, then what +can you expect from a simple, uneducated, politically unsophisticated person?! +He's going to believe any and all rumors, that the Armenians are like this, +the Armenians are like that, and so on . . . + +By the way, that Mamedov--now I'm going back to Mamedov's office when I asked +him ""Are you really going to guarantee the safety of our lives if we return +to Sumgait?"" he answered, ""Yes, you know, I would guarantee them . . . I don't +want to take on too much, I would guarantee them firmly for 50 years. But I +won't guarantee them for longer than 50 years."" I say, ""So you've got another +thing like that planned for 50 years from now? So they'll be quiet and then +in another 50 years it'll happen again?!"" I couldn't contain myself any more, +and I also told him, ""And how did it get to that point, certainly you knew +about it, how they were treating the Russians, for example, in Baku and in +Sumgait, how they were hounded from their jobs? Certainly you received +complaints, I wrote some myself. Why did no one respond to them? Why did +everyone ignore what was going on? Didn't you prepare people for this by the +way you treated them?"" And he says, ""You know, you're finally starting to +insult me!"" He threw his pen on the desk. ""Maybe now you'll say I'm a +scoundrel too?"" I say, ""You know, I'm not talking about you because I don't +know. But about the ones who I do know I can say with conviction, yes, that +comrade was involved in this, that, and that, because I know for certain. +""Well anyway he assured us that here, in Yerevan, there were false rumors, +that 3,000 Sumgait Armenians were here, and 15,000 were in Sumgait and had +gotten back to work. Everyone was working, he said, and life was very good. +""We drove about the town ourselves, Comrade Arutiunian [First Secretary of +the Communist Party of Armenia SSR] came from the Council of Ministers of +Armenian, he came and brought information showing that everything was fine in +Sumgait."" When I asked Mamedov how he had reached that conclusion he said, ' +""Well, I walked down the street."" And I said, ""Walking down the street in any +city, even if I were to go to New York, I would never understand the situation +because I would be a guest, I don't have any contact with people, but if you +spend 10 days among some blue-collar workers in such a way that they didn't +know you were the First Deputy Chairman of the Council of Ministers, you'd +hear something quite different."" I told him, for example, that I drew my +conclusion when we left the military unit to look at our apartments. They took +us all in turns to pick things up, since people had fled to the military unit; +they got on the bus just to save themselves as soon as possible. How are the +neighbors in the microdistrict, how will they view us, what do they think? I +thought maybe that in fact it wasn't something general, of a mass nature, some +anti-national something. And when that bus took us to our building, because it +was the same bus, while we were going up to our apartment, an armed soldier +accompanied us. What does that say? It speaks of the fact that if everything +there were fine, why do we need to have soldiers go there and come back with +us, going from apartment to apartment? And in fact, especially with the young +people, you could sense the delight at our misfortune, the grins, and they +were making comments, too. And that was in the presence of troops, when police +detachments were in the microdistricts and armored personnel carriers and +tanks were passing by. And if people are taking such malicious delight when +the situation is like that, then what is it going to be like when they +withdraw protection from the city altogether? There will be more outrages, of +course, perhaps not organized, but in the alleys . . . + + April 20, 1988 + Yerevan + + - - - reference - - - + +[1] _The Sumgait Tragedy; Pogroms against Armenians in Soviet Azerbaijan, + Volume I, Eyewitness Accounts_, edited by Samuel Shahmuradian, forward by + Yelena Bonner, 1990, published by Aristide D. Caratzas, NY, pages 166-177 + + +-- +David Davidian dbd@urartu.sdpa.org | ""How do we explain Turkish troops on +S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies | the Armenian border, when we can't +P.O. Box 382761 | even explain 1915?"" +Cambridge, MA 02238 | Turkish MP, March 1992 +";15;True +"From: ebosco@us.oracle.com (Eric Bosco) +Subject: Re: Help with changing Startup logo +Reply-To: ebosco@us.oracle.com +Distribution: usa +Organization: Oracle Corp., Redwood Shores CA +Lines: 32 +Nntp-Posting-Host: monica.us.oracle.com +X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user + at Oracle Corporation. The opinions expressed are those + of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle. + +In article <1rgtba$gtn@access.digex.net> farley@access.digex.com (Charles +U. Farley) writes: +> +> I know this is probably a FAQ, but... +> +> I installed the s/w for my ATI graphics card, and it bashed my Windows +> logo files. When I start Windows now, it has the 3.0 logo instead of +> the 3.1 logo. +> +> I thought the files that controlled this were +> +> \WINDOWS\SYSTEM\VGALOGO.RLE +> \WINDOWS\SYSTEM\VGALOGO.LGO +> +> I restored these files, but it didn't change the logo. Anyone know what +> the correct files are? +> +> Thanks. +> + +Somewhere (ftp.cica.indiana.edu or SIMTEL20 mirror) there is a program +called winlogo.zip that does the trick. It works great. I believe the +reason why you can't change the files you mentioned is that the logo is +actually imbeded into the windows executable (Somebody please +correct/expand on this) + +-Eric + +> +> -- +> farley@access.digex.com +> Average IQ of Calgary Board of Ed. Employee: 65 +";6;True +"From: herrod@CS.Stanford.EDU (Stephen Herrod) +Subject: Dos window macros +Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University. +Distribution: usa +Lines: 6 + +Does anyone know a program that will record keyboard sequences that I +do in a windowed dos box? I would like to have something that starts a +telnet program and then logs me into my accounts. Windows Recorder doesn't +seem to be able to record the key sequences. + +Thanks, STeve +";6;True +"From: reidg@pacs.pha.pa.us ( Reid Goldsborough) +Subject: Utilities for sale +Keywords: software +Distribution: na +Organization: Philadelphia Area Computer Society +Lines: 28 + +These utilities all include complete printed manuals and +registration cards. I need to get rid of some excess. +They're the latest versions. I've priced these programs +at less than half the list price and significantly less +than the cheapest mail-order price around. + +* PC TOOLS FOR DOS 8.0, best-selling utilities collections, +includes DOS shell, antivirus program, backup program, +disk defragger, memory optimizer, remote communications +link, data protection and recovery utilities, appointment +book, address book, and more, list $179, sale $80. + +* NORTON BACKUP FOR DOS 2.2, supports DOS 6, tape backup +systems, and LANS, twice as fast as backup in DOS 6, highly +automated and customizable, list $149, sale $65. + +* QAPLUS 4.7, top-rated DOS based systems diagnostics +program, more comprehensive than anything included in DOS, +Windows, or utilities collections, invaluable for determining +sources of problems with RAM, video, drives, ports, keyboard, +motherboard, joystick, mouse, speaker, and so on, list $159, +sale $70. + +If you're interested in any of these programs, please phone me at +215-885-7446 (Philadelphia), and I'll save the package for you. +-- +Reid Goldsborough +reidg@pacs.pha.pa.us +";8;True +"From: palmer@cco.caltech.edu (David M. Palmer) +Subject: Re: Gamma Ray Bursters. WHere are they. +Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena +Lines: 53 +NNTP-Posting-Host: alumni.caltech.edu + +prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes: + +> What evidence indicates that Gamma Ray bursters are very far away? + +>Given the enormous power, i was just wondering, what if they are +>quantum black holes or something like that fairly close by? + +>Why would they have to be at galactic ranges? + +Gamma Ray Bursts (GRBs) are seen coming equally from all directions. +However, given the number of bright ones, there are too few faint +ones to be consistent with being equally dense for as far +as we can see--it is as if they are all contained within +a finite sphere (or a sphere with fuzzy edges) with us at the +center. (These measurements are statistical, and you can +always hide a sufficiently small number of a different +type of GRB with a different origin in the data. I am assuming +that there is only one population of GRBs). + +The data indicates that we are less than 10% of the radius of the center +of the distribution. The only things the Earth is at the exact center +of are the Solar system (at the scale of the Oort cloud of comets +way beyond Pluto) and the Universe. Cosmological theories, placing +GRBs throughout the Universe, require supernova-type energies to +be released over a timescale of milliseconds. Oort cloud models +tend to be silly, even by the standards of astrophysics. + +If GRBs were Galactic (i.e. distributed through the Milky Way Galaxy) +you would expect them to be either concentrated in the plane of +the Galaxy (for a 'disk' population), or towards the Galactic center +(for a spherical 'halo' population). We don't see this, so if they +are Galactic, they must be in a halo at least 250,000 light years in +radius, and we would probably start to see GRBs from the Andromeda +Galaxy (assuming that it has a similar halo.) For comparison, the +Earth is 25,000 light-years from the center of the Galaxy. + +>my own pet theory is that it's Flying saucers entering +>hyperspace :-) + +The aren't concentrated in the known spacelanes, and we don't +see many coming from Zeta Reticuli and Tau Ceti. + +>but the reason i am asking is that most everyone assumes that they +>are colliding nuetron stars or spinning black holes, i just wondered +>if any mechanism could exist and place them closer in. + +There are more than 130 GRB different models in the refereed literature. +Right now, the theorists have a sort of unofficial moratorium +on new models until new observational evidence comes in. + +-- + David M. Palmer palmer@alumni.caltech.edu + palmer@tgrs.gsfc.nasa.gov +";2;True +"Organization: University of Notre Dame - Office of Univ. Computing +From: +Subject: Re: MLB = NBA? +Lines: 15 + +In article <1993Apr17.052025.10610@news.yale.edu>, (Sean Garrison) says: +> +>I think that +>players' salaries are getting way out of hand to the point that they're on +>a pace to become severely detrimental to baseball's future. +> + +so you want to decrease players' salaries? + +so you want to increase owners' salaries? + +the two are equivalent. + +bob vesterman. + +";14;True +"From: downs@helios.nevada.edu (Lamont Downs) +Subject: Re: ATM +Lines: 15 +Nntp-Posting-Host: cat.lv-lib.nevada.edu +Organization: UNLV + +>>So good that there isn't any diff whether or not ATManager is turned +>>on or not. Is it worth it to run ATM at all? Especially with these +>>better printer technologies ... and TT? +> +>There are some fonts that are only available as PS fonts. If you +>have a PS font that you want to use, use ATM. Otherwise, it is +>a waste of system resources. +> +-----Or, if you need to use a service bureau and they're only set up to use +Type 1 fonts. From what I've heard (pure hearsay) the results of outputting +TT fonts as Type 1 is _not_ as good as using high-quality Type 1 fonts in +the first place. + +Lamont Downs +downs@nevada.edu +";6;True +"From: doc@webrider.central.sun.com (Steve Bunis - Chicago) +Subject: Route Suggestions? +Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. +Lines: 33 +Distribution: usa +Reply-To: doc@webrider.central.sun.com +NNTP-Posting-Host: webrider.central.sun.com + +As I won't be able to make the Joust this summer (Job related time +conflict :'^{ ), I plan instead on going to the Rider Rally in +Knoxville. + +I'll be leaving from Chicago. and generally plan on going down along +the Indiana/Illinois border into Kentucky and then Tennessee. I would +be very interested in hearing suggestions of roads/routes/areas that +you would consider ""must ride"" while on the way to Knoxville. + +I can leave as early as 5/22 and need to arrive in Knoxville by 6PM +on 5/25. That leaves me a pretty good stretch of time to explore on +the way. + +By the way if anyone else is going, and would like to partner for the +ride down, let me know. I'll be heading east afterward to visit family, +but sure don't mind company on the ride down to the Rally. Depending on +weather et al. my plan is motelling/tenting thru the trip. + +From the Rally I'll be heading up the Blue Ridge Parkway, then jogging +into West Va (I-77) to run up 219 -> Marlington, 28 -> Petersburg, +55E -> I-81/I-66E. After this point the route is presently undetermined +into Pennsylvania, New York?, and back to Chicago (by 6/6). Suggestions +for these areas would be of great interest also. + +Many thanks for your ideas, + +Enjoy, + +--- +Steve Bunis, Sun Microsystems ***DoD #0795*** 93-ST1100 + Itasca, IL ***AMA #682049*** 78-KZ650 + (ARE YOU SURE THIS IS APRIL?????? B^| ) + +";7;True +"From: ss6349@csc.albany.edu (Steven H. Schimmrich) +Subject: Looking for Christians in Urbana, Illinois... +Distribution: usa +Organization: Department of Geological Sciences, SUNY at Albany +Lines: 12 + + + I apologize if this post isn't entirely appropriate for the newsgroup. + + I would like to correspond with any Christians attending the University +of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign. I will be transfering there in August to +complete my Ph.D. and I thought it would be nice to correspond with people +before I moved out. + +-- +Steven H. Schimmrich Department of Geological Sciences ""Non semper +ss6349@csc.albany.edu State University of New York at Albany ea sunt quae +ss6349@albnyvms.bitnet Albany, New York 12222 (518) 442-4466 videntur."" +";17;True +"From: lmcdapi@noah.ericsson.se (Daniel Piche) +Subject: Re: NHL Team Captains +Reply-To: lmcdapi@noah.ericsson.se +Organization: Ericsson Communication Inc. +Lines: 31 +Nntp-Posting-Host: bison.lmc.ericsson.se +X-Disclaimer: This article was posted by a user at Ericsson. + Any opinions expressed are strictly those of the + user and not necessarily those of Ericsson. + +In article K00WBM850Z5v@andrew.cmu.edu, am2x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Anna Matyas) writes: +> +>Michael Collingridge writes: +> +>>And, while we are on the subject, has a captain ever been traded, +>>resigned, or been striped of his title during the season? Any other +>>team captain trivia would be appreciated. +> +>Wasn't Ron Francis captain of the Whalers when he was traded to +>Pittsburgh? +> +>Mom. + +Chris Chelios was Montreal's co-captain with Guy Carbonneau when he was traded to Chicago for Denis Savard, and Peter Stastny was captain of the Quebec Nordiques when he was traded to New-Jersey. Also Mark Messier was captain of the Edmonton Oilers when he was traded to New-York. How about Dale Hawerchuk with Winnipeg when he was traded to Buffalo, was he captain too ? I think so. I should not forget Wayne (you know who) when he was traded to L.A. he was captain. Didn't they strip Wendel Clark of his capta + + + +incy in Toronto ? + +Just some updates and thoughts. + +Cheer... + +------------------------------------------------------------------------------- +Daniel Piche (LMC/U/DET - Design) +Ericsson Communications Inc. +8400 Decarie Blvd, 1rd floor +Town of Mont Royal, Quebec. H4P 2N2 +(514)-738-8300 ext. 2178. +E-mail: LMCDAPI@LMC.ERICSSON.SE +MEMOid: LMC.LMCDAPI + +CHEERS..... +------------------------------------------------------------------------------- +";13;True +"From: klee@synoptics.com (Ken Lee) +Subject: Re: XAllocColor fails to return nearest match +Reply-To: klee@synoptics.com +Organization: SynOptics Communications, Santa Clara CA +Lines: 19 +Nntp-Posting-Host: bugsbunny.synoptics.com + +In article 54297@slate.mines.colorado.edu, agallagh@slate.mines.colorado.edu (GALLAGHER ANDREA J ) writes: +>[posted for a friend] +> +>Okay, I looked through the FAQs and didn't see this, but I know its +>come up before... +> +>XAllocColor is supposed to do the following in order: +> Try to find an exact match read-only color cell. (within hardware limits) +> Try to allocate a read-only colorcell and set it to match. +> and when all else fails, +> Return the colorcell with the best match from the read-only colors +> already allocated in the colormap. + +Where did you hear this? If it is printed in a book somewhere, +throw away the book. According to the MIT specs, only the first +2 are true. + +--- +Ken Lee, klee@synoptics.com +";12;True +"From: hagenjd@wfu.edu (Jeff Hagen) +Subject: Re: Will Italy be the Next Domino to Fall? +Organization: Wake Forest University +Lines: 51 +NNTP-Posting-Host: ac.wfunet.wfu.edu + +(NOTE: cross-posted to alt.politics.italy and talk.politics.misc + This is a reply to an article by Ed Ipser which also appeared in + alt.politics.usa.misc and alt.politics.libertarian, but no longer belongs) + + +I hate to defend Ed (the article was very poorly written) but here goes: + +hallam@dscomsa.desy.de (Phill Hallam-Baker) writes: +>Ed should take a look at the budget deficit Regan and Bush created together +>before he starts to make claims about europe collapsing based on the budget +>deficits here. None of them are serious on the USA scale. + +Italy's per-capita debt is much higher than USA's. + + +>We do not want our countries to be run by a narrow elite of rich lawyers +>for the benefit of the super wealthy. + +This is *exactly* what the public in France & Italy perceive to be the +problem-- thus the French election and Italian pulizia. + + +Regarding the post-pulizia Italy: +>What looks likely to happen is the fringe parties are going to do much +>better in the next election. Most of the parliamentary deputies are going +>to get replaced and the parties are going to be forced to look to people +>who are free of any hint of corruption. Look out for a parliament of +>Pavarotti's and porn stars. + +Wrong. This is true perhaps only for the Lega Nord. +The referendum Sunday is expected to establish a British/American style +first-past-the-post system in the Senate. If implemented, it would +encourage a two- (or perhaps three-) party system in Italy. +Most likely the DC and PSI will not be these parties; rather there will +be a shakeup of the entire party structure from which 2 new parties +will emerge to dominate. Will Lega Nord be one of these? Who knows. + +(The Camera dei Deputati (lower house) will likely remain with +Proportional Representation for a while, but there is talk of switching a +portion of that house, too. Maybe as much as 40% first-past-the-post) + +Overall, the electoral reform in Italy is a welcome change. Italians +are tired of having crappy government. Porn stars, Pavarotti's and +Hunters & Fishers won't gain seats because PR is dead. A good two-party +system will bring Italy efficient, accountable government. + +It's about time. + +Jeff Hagen +hagenjd@ac.wfu.edu + +";18;True +"From: richard@tis.com (Richard Clark) +Subject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition? +Organization: Trusted Information Systems, Inc. +Lines: 30 +NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.tis.com + +>packer@delphi.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles Packer) writes: +> +>>Is there such a thing as MSG (monosodium glutamate) sensitivity? +>>I saw in the NY Times Sunday that scientists have testified before +>>an FDA advisory panel that complaints about MSG sensitivity are +>>superstition. Anybody here have experience to the contrary? +> +>>I'm old enough to remember that the issue has come up at least +>>a couple of times since the 1960s. Then it was called the +>>""Chinese restaurant syndrome"" because Chinese cuisine has +>>always used it. +> + + My blood pressure soars, my heart pounds, and I can't get to sleep +for the life of me... feels about like I just drank 8 cups of coffee. + + I avoid it, and beet sugar, flavor enhancers, beet powder, and +whatever other names it may go under. Basicaly I read the ingredients, and +if I don't know what they all are, I don't buy the product. + + MSG sensitivity is definately *real*. + + + +-----------------------Relativity Schmelativity----------------------------- + Richard H. Clark My opinions are my own, and + LUNATIK - watch for me on the road... ought to be yours, but under + It's not my fault... I voted PEROT! no circumstances are they + richard@tis.com those of my company... +----------------------------------------------------------------------------- +";4;True +"From: cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (OrioleFan@uiuc) +Subject: Re: Opel owners? +Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana +Lines: 30 + +boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle) writes: + +>In article cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (OrioleFan@uiuc) writes: +>>gibbonsa@fraser.sfu.ca (Darren Gibbons) writes: +>>>I'm looking for information on Opel cars. Now you ask, which model? +>>>Well, the sad truth is, I'm not entirely sure, but it's a two-seater, +>>>with roll-over headlights, hard top, and really sporty looking. My +>>>friend has one sitting in his yard in really nice condition, +>>>body-wise, but he transmission has seized up on him, so it hasn't run +>>>for a while. Does anyone have any info on these cars? The engine +>>>compartment looks really tight to work on, but it is in fine shape and +>>>I am quite interested in it. +>>>Thanks! +>>>Darren Gibbons +>>>gibbonsa@sfu.ca +>> +>> This would be the manta, would it not??? Sold through Buick dealers in the mid '70's as the price leader???? + +>Sounds a lot more like an Opel GT to me. I'd guess that this is on the same +>chassis as the Kadett, rather than the bigger Manta - but I could easily +>be wrong. I think the later Kadett's were sold here as Buick Opels. + +>Craig + + I think the Manta is the European name for the ""GT."" I'm pretty sure +that the only Kadett's sold here were/are the Pontiac LeMans. I think the +GT is just an early '70s to mid '70s Manta. +-- +Chintan Amin mail: llama@uiuc.edu +*******SIG UNDER CONSTRUCTION HARD HAT AREA******** +";10;True +"From: infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew Infante) +Subject: Re: Definition of ""two up""? +Distribution: usa +Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C. +Lines: 24 +Nntp-Posting-Host: north1.acpub.duke.edu + +> So following that logic could you describe ""Two down"" +>as the transition period between ""Two Up"" and ""coming to +>rest after a High or low side"" ? Otherwise it sounds pretty +>good. :-) +>-- +>Richard Pierson E06584 vnet: [908] 699-6063 + +Or perhaps it's referring to the wife and child sitting +in the sidecar next to the one-up on the +moto? + +:) + +Anyone ever heard of a game called oneup-onedown? + +(it's a drinking game, for all you older folx...:) + + + +-- +Andy Infante | You can listen to what everybody says, but the fact remains | +'71 BMW R60/5 | that you've got to get out there and do the thing yourself. | +DoD #2426 | -- Joan Sutherland | +==============| My opinions, dammit, have nothing to do with anyone else!!! | +";7;True +"From: rogerc@discovery.uk.sun.com (Roger Collier) +Subject: Re: Camping question? +Organization: Sun Microsystems (UK) Ltd +Lines: 26 +Distribution: world +Reply-To: rogerc@discovery.uk.sun.com +NNTP-Posting-Host: discovery.uk.sun.com + +In article 10823@bnr.ca, npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar) writes: + +> +>Back in my youth (ahem) the wiffy and moi purchased a gadget which heated up +>water from a 12V source. It was for car use but we thought we'd try it on my +>RD350B. It worked OK apart from one slight problem: we had to keep the revs +>above 7000. Any lower and the motor would die from lack of electron movement. + +On my LC (RZ to any ex-colonists) I replaced the bolt at the bottom of the barrel +with a tap. When I wanted a coffee I could just rev the engine until boiling +and pour out a cup of hot water. +I used ethylene glycol as antifreeze rather than methanol as it tastes sweeter. + +(-: + + ################################# + _ # Roger.Collier@Uk.Sun.COM # +o_/_\_o # # + (O_O) # Sun Microsystems, # + \H/ # Coventry, England. # + U # (44) 203 692255 # + # DoD#226 GSXR1100L # + ################################# + Keeper of the GSXR1100 list. + + +";7;True +"From: adamsj@gtewd.mtv.gtegsc.com +Subject: Apple CD300 CDROM ""freebies"". +Organization: GTE Govt. Systems, Electronics Def. Div. +Lines: 19 + +In article <1quod6$i3n@menudo.uh.edu>, sunnyt@coding.bchs.uh.edu writes: +> ... reseller. I've also heard rumors that they are bundled with a couple of CD's, +> but I can't confirm it. +> +> Sunny ===>sunnyt@dna.bchs.uh.edu + +I've got two CD300's... The first one i ordered Jan 15, and I received it Feb. 20. +The second one I ordered Jan 20th, and I just got it April 2nd or so. Anyway, they +both come with 10 misc. CDROMs... Things like a ""Intro to Nautilis"", a sample CD +of Kodak pictures, ""From Alice to Ocean"" (a story of a woman who treked across +Austrailia), 3 discs from apple, a games disc, an applications disc, and a ""titles"" +disc (haven't checked most of these out yet). Also some ""Cinderella"" thing for kids, +a disc of Mozart something-or-others, etc. etc. etc. If someone's super interested, +I'll make a list of the exact titles and post them. They are all in the category of +""Interesting, but probably fairly useless..."". It was rumored that the earliest +units shipped with SOME encyclocpedia (it may have), but neither of my drives had +that. + +-jeff adams- +";0;True +"From: ifaz706@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu (Noam Tractinsky) +Subject: Go Hizbollah II! +Lines: 28 +Nntp-Posting-Host: purple.cc.utexas.edu +Organization: University of Texas @ Austin +Lines: 28 + + +From Israel Line, Thursday, April 22, 1993: + +Today's HA'ARETZ reports that three women were injured when a +Katyusha rocket fell in the center of their community. The rocket +was one of several dozen fired at the communities of the Galilee in +northern Israel yesterday by the terrorist Hizbullah organization [...] + + +In article <1993Apr14.125813.21737@ncsu.edu> hernlem@chess.ncsu.edu +(Brad Hernlem) wrote: + +Congratulations to the brave men of the Lebanese resistance! With every +Israeli son that you place in the grave you are underlining the moral +bankruptcy of Israel's occupation and drawing attention to the Israeli +government's policy of reckless disregard for civilian life. + + + Apparently, the Hizbollah were encouraged by Brad's cheers + (good job, Brad). Someone forgot to tell them, though, that + Brad asks them to place only Israeli _sons_ in the grave, + not daughters. Paraphrasing a bit, with every rocket that + the Hizbollah fires on the Galilee, they justify Israel's + holding to the security zone. + +Noam + + +";15;True +"From: CBW790S@vma.smsu.edu.Ext (Corey Webb) +Subject: Re: HELP!!! GRASP +Organization: SouthWest Mo State Univ +Lines: 29 +NNTP-Posting-Host: vma.smsu.edu +X-Newsreader: NNR/VM S_1.3.2 + +In article <1993Apr19.160944.20236W@baron.edb.tih.no> +havardn@edb.tih.no (Haavard Nesse,o92a) writes: +> +>Could anyone tell me if it's possible to save each frame +>of a .gl (grasp) animation to .gif, .jpg, .iff or any other +>picture formats. +> + + If you have the GRASP animation system, then yes, it's quite easy. +You simply use GLIB to extract the image (each ""frame"" in a .GL is +actually a complete .PCX or .CLP file), then use one of MANY available +utilities to convert it. If you don't have the GRASP package, I'm afraid +I can't help you. Sorry. + By the way, before you ask, GRASP (GRaphics Animation System for +Professionals) is a commercial product that sells for just over US$300 +from most mail-order companies I've seen. And no, I don't have it. :) + + + Corey Webb + + + ____________________________________________________________________ + | Corey Webb | ""For in much wisdom is much grief, and | + | cbw790s@vma.smsu.edu | he that increaseth knowledge increaseth | + | Bitnet: CBW790S@SMSVMA | sorrow."" -- Ecclesiastes 1:18 | + |-------------------------|------------------------------------------| + | The ""S"" means I am only | ""But first, are you experienced?"" | + | speaking for myself. | -- Jimi Hendrix | + +";1;True +"From: mouse@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (der Mouse) +Subject: Re: Available memory to the Xserver. How to get the actual size? +Organization: McGill Research Centre for Intelligent Machines +Lines: 14 + +In article <1965@igd.fhg.de>, pfuetz@igd.fhg.de (Matthias Pfuetzner) writes: + +> Is there a possibility to determine via X protocol calls the size of +> free memory available to the Xserver? + +No. Even if you could, the answer could be out of date even before you +get it (even if you grab the server, it could be taken up by buffering +user actions). You should just try to do whatever you want; a BadAlloc +error is your indication that insufficient server memory is available. + + der Mouse + + mouse@mcrcim.mcgill.edu +";12;True +"From: capelli@vnet.IBM.COM (Ron Capelli) +Subject: Re: detecting double points in bezier curves +Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not those of IBM +News-Software: UReply 3.1 +Lines: 16 + +In Ferdinand Oeinck writes: +>I'm looking for any information on detecting and/or calculating a double +>point and/or cusp in a bezier curve. + +See: + Maureen Stone and Tony DeRose, + ""A Geometric Characterization of Parametric Cubic Curves"", + ACM TOG, vol 8, no 3, July 1989, pp. 147-163. +_______________________________________________________________________ + +...Ron Capelli IBM Corp. Dept. C13, MS. P230 + capelli@vnet.ibm.com PO Box 950 + (914) 435-1673 Poughkeepsie, NY 12602 +_______________________________________________________________________ + +""There are no answers, only cross references."" +";1;True +"From: kmembry@viamar.UUCP (Kirk Membry) +Subject: Re: MS-Windows access for the blind? +Reply-To: rutgers!viamar!kmembry +Organization: Private System +Lines: 18 + +In <1993Apr22.235454.18199@seas.gwu.edu> louray@seas.gwu.edu (Michael Panayiotakis) writes: + +>AT the MICRO$OFT display at FOSE, there were a few computers running +>windows, and win. apps for the blind, I think. Didn't pay much +>attention to it, but it was there. + +It seems that a particular program designed for blind people is more important +than trying to interface windows with a way for blind people to use it. +If someone made a voice recognition/multimedia (sound) oriented program, +it would probably been more effective. I don't know what the original +purpose of interfacing windows was for the person who posted the question +though. + +-- +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= +Kirk Membry ""Our Age is the Age of Industry"" +rutgers!viamar!kmembry - Alexander Rodchenko +-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- +";6;True +"From: speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer) +Subject: Re: Ok, So I was a little hasty... +Organization: Louisiana Tech University +Lines: 30 +NNTP-Posting-Host: bhm116e-spc.engr.latech.edu + +In article <1993Apr20.010734.18225@megatek.com> randy@megatek.com (Randy Davis) writes: + +>In article speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer) writes: +>|In article jnmoyne@lbl.gov (Jean-Noel Moyne) writes: +>|> What does ""DWI"" stand for ? I thought it was ""DUI"" for Driving Under +>|>Influence, so here what does W stand for ? +>| +>|Driving While Intoxicated. + +> Actually, I beleive ""DWI"" normally means ""Driving While Impaired"" rather +>than ""Intoxicated"", at least it does in the states I've lived in... + +>|This was changed here in Louisiana when a girl went to court and won her +>|case by claiming to be stoned on pot, NOT intoxicated on liquor! + +> One can be imparied without necessarily being impaired by liquor - drugs, +>not enough sleep, being a total moron :-), all can impair someone etc... I'm +>surprised this got her off the hook... Perhaps DWI in Lousiana *is* confined +>to liquor? + +Lets just say it is DUI here now! + + ----===== DoD #8177 = Technician(Dr. Speed) .NOT. Student =====---- + + Stolen Taglines... + * God is real, unless declared integer. * + * I came, I saw, I deleted all your files. * + * Black holes are where God is dividing by zero. * + * The world will end in 5 minutes. Please log out. * + * Earth is 98% full.... please delete anyone you can. * +";7;True +"From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) +Subject: Re: Too Many Europeans in NHL +Article-I.D.: alchemy.1993Apr6.142037.9246 +Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department +Lines: 14 + +In article <1993Apr6.044323.22829@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> daniell@cory.Berkeley.EDU (Daniel Lyddy) writes: +> +>You know, you're absolutely right. I think we should round up all those +>players of European descent and ship 'em back to where they came from. Let's +>see, with whom should we start? I dunno, Lemieux? Hmmm...sounds like he +>has *French* blood in him!!! Hey! France is part of Europe! Send that +>Euro-blooded boy back!!! +> + +Don't you Americans study history...the French settled in North America +as early or before the British...Lemieux can probably trace back his +North American heritage back a lot further than most of us. + +Gerald +";13;True +"From: jam@ameslab.gov (Jerry Musselman) +Subject: UART needed +Organization: Ames Laboratory, ISU +Lines: 9 + +I need to find a UART that will interface to an 8051 and do the following: + -250k baud, 8 data bits, 2 stop bits, no parity + -ability to do BREAK detect (IRQ or output pin) + -IRQ on character received + +I'm using a Dallas DS2250 at 16 Mhz (8051 clone), but it won't do +break detect. I've looked at the 6850, 8251, 7201, 2661, etc... + + Any help would be appriciated!!! +";11;True +"From: gcook@horus.cem.msu.EDU (Greg Cook) +Subject: Re: WORD 2.0 HELP! +Organization: Michigan State University +Lines: 12 +NNTP-Posting-Host: horus.cem.msu.edu + +From article <0096B11B.08A283A0@vms.csd.mu.edu>, by 2a42dubinski@vms.csd.mu.edu: +> Can anyone tell me if and how they have printed Spanish characters? I know WP 5.1 has this built-in, but I do not recall ever seeing this option on WFW2. HELP! + +Try using the extended character set (Alt-#### sequences) . . +look in Character Map in the Accessories group and see the alt-sequence +for the font you want! + + + Gregory R. Cook | INTERNET: gcook@horus.cem.msu.edu + Department of Chemistry | cookgreg@student.msu.edu +Michigan State University | cook@cemvax.cem.msu.edu + East Lansing, MI 48824 | BITNET: cook@msucem.BITNET +";6;True +"From: e-sink@uiuc.edu (Eric W. Sink) +Subject: Re: Looking for WMF Converter +Keywords: WMF, windowsmetafile +Reply-To: e-sink@uiuc.edu +Originator: sink@ux2.cso.uiuc.edu +Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana +Lines: 19 + +buck@HQ.Ileaf.COM (David Buchholz x3252) writes: + +>I'm looking for any leads to the source of a good Windows +>Meta File converter or interpreter. I need this for use +>outside the Windows environment. PD sources preferred, but +>not a requirement. Please reply to the address below. + +On a related topic, I have been searching (with no success) +for a specification of the Enhanced Metafile format. I have +the original WMF format (Graphics File Formats, Levine et al), +but no info on the 32 bit version. + +Any pointers ? + +-- +Eric W. Sink, Spyglass | ""In all the earth, only humans have the ability +1800 Woodfield Drive | to be content in bad situations... +Savoy, IL 61826 | and vice-versa."" +---- e-sink@uiuc.edu ---------|---------- 217-355-6000 ----------------------- +";1;True +"From: westes@netcom.com (Will Estes) +Subject: Quantum 240AT: is my cache working? +Organization: Mail Group +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] +Lines: 10 + +The Quantum LPS 240AT is supposed to have a 256K cache on the IDE +controller built into the card. Yet when I do a DOS DIR command +on my system, the disk is always accessed (I can hear the mechanical +movement of the heads). Why is this happening? Strangely, even +when I have smartdrive installed, every DIR command accesses the +disk. Did I somehow de-activate the cache? This is happening on each +of two machines with an LPS 240AT drive. + +-- +Will Estes Internet: westes@netcom.com +";5;True +"Organization: University of Notre Dame - Office of Univ. Computing +From: +Subject: Re: Let's Talk Phillies + <1993Apr16.060540.27397@adobe.com> + <1993Apr17.020347.9554@mgweed!mgwhiz.att.com> +Lines: 26 + +In article <1993Apr17.020347.9554@mgweed!mgwhiz.att.com>, +prg@mgweed!mgwhiz.att.com (Phil Gunsul) says: +> +>I try to edit this newsgroup and feed it to one of the local elementary , +>schools +>they have a group of students that just love baseball and are learning to use +>computers, but I'm telling you, it's gotten to the point that I don't even +>edit +>the files anymore, just read them and throw out the trash... And thanks to +>all +>you people that think it's wonderful to include a swear word or two in your +>signature files, that's really nice... I have to read the whole article and +>then toss it out because of the .sig. + +duh, why not just chop out the .sig? + +bob vesterman. + +ps: hey kids, take all those pictures of dead presidents out of your +parents' wallets and mail them to: + + bob vesterman + c/o dept. of mathematics + university of notre dame + notre dame, indiana 46556 + +";14;True +"From: BOCHERC@hartwick.edu (Carol A. Bocher) +Subject: Re:Major Views of the Trinity +Lines: 28 + +Ann Jackson (ajackson@cs.ubc.ca) wrote on 5 May: + +>In article +>Jim Green writes: + +>>Can't someone describe someone's Trinity in simple declarative +>>sentences with words that have common meaning? + +>The answer to this question appears to be ""no"". + +I would like to submit the following which helped me enormously. +If it has already been posted, I apologize. + +It seems that during the Middle Ages, it was customary for pastors to +explain the Trinity to their parishoners by analogy to water. +Water is water, but can exist in three forms--liquid, ice and vapor. +Thus it is possible for one essence to exist in three forms. + +And recently, the pastor of my church drew an analogy, which I +also found useful--A woman is often percieved by others in three +ways, depending on their relationship to her--a mother, a wife and +an employee in a business. + +Thus, it seems clear to me that the essence of God can subsist in +the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit or, depending on one's particular +need for Him. + +Carol Bocher +";17;True +"From: ssoar@tekig5.pen.tek.com (Steven E Soar) +Subject: Re: Supply Side-revenue +Distribution: na +Lines: 22 + +In article , ipser@solomon.technet.sg (Ed Ipser) writes: +> +> The result is that Clinton now HOPES to reduce the deficit to a level +> ABOVE where it was when Reagan left office. + +Which, considering the amount Bush&congress added to it, would be a +not-inconsiderable achievement. + +While we're on the subject, I also believe that the supply-side claim that +reducing taxes raised revenue is also false, because they typically factor in +SocSec taxes, which were *raised* a considerable amount, at the same time that +income taxes were cut. If you look at income tax revenue alone, it fell after +after the cuts began, and didn't recover for several years. By then, record +deficits were well entrenched. +> +> Chew on that awhile. + +*crunch, crunch* + +steve soar + + +";18;True +"From: ikos@netcom.com (Ikos) +Subject: Where can I buy a BIOS? +Summary: Just as the subject sez... +Keywords: BIOS, motherboard, Phoenix, Mylex, Microtimes +Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) +Distribution: ba +Lines: 22 + +I'm in the market to upgrade my BIOS to a Phoenix 1.10 (got a new hard disk, +discovered my BIOS doesn't have a ""type 47"") and I would like know where I +can purchase one of these things. + +I checked with the motherboard manufacturer (for the curious-- it's from +Mylex), and hearing the $60 figure prompted me to at least try to shop +around... + +Problem is, I don't know where to shop around for something like this. + +I have heard that there's a BIOS speciality shop in the South Bay and it's +been alleged that they advertise in the MicroTimes. + +Did find the MicroTimes, didn't find the ad or the shop. + +So, can anybody help me out on this quest? + +To anybody who replies to this-- Thanks in advance. + +-Jeff Chan | These are my opinions. It + jeff@ikos.com (*not* ikos@netcom.com) | would be quite silly if it + ..!netcom!ikos!jeff | was also my company's... +";5;True +"From: levy@levy.fnal.gov (Mark E. Levy, ext. 8056) +Subject: Sources for Intel D87C51FB? +Nntp-Posting-Host: levy.fnal.gov +Organization: Fermilab Computing Division +Lines: 18 + +I am in the midst of designing a project which requires two motors and an LED +illuminator driven with Pulse-width modulation. I'm using the 8751, and +I understand that the -FB version has a programmable counter array that can +essentially be set and forgotten to do the PWM. The problems is, that variant +is difficult to come by. I need two or three of the D prefix (ceramic window) +version for development, and then lots of the P prefix (plastic OTP) for later +production. I've tried Avnet, Arrow, and Pioneer. They (might) have them, but +I'm looking for samples at this point, and they're not too willing to provide +them. I would buy them, but these vendors have $100.00 minimums. + +Any help is appreciated. + +================================================================================ +[ Mark E. Levy, Fermilab | ] +[ BitNet: LEVY@FNAL | Unix is to computing ] +[ Internet: LEVY@FNALD.FNAL.GOV | as an Etch-a-Sketch is to art. ] +[ HEPnet/SPAN: FNALD::LEVY (VMS!) | ] +================================================================================ +";11;True +"From: gtoal@gtoal.com (Graham Toal) +Subject: Re: Is key escrow enough? +Lines: 24 + + The points raised about checking what is actually -in- the chip, as + opposed to what is allegedly programmed therein, raise yet another trust + issue. Even if we assume that these ""trusted agents"" are really entering + a wide range of S1 and S2 seeds (rather than using the same one all the + time to reduce the key search space to 30 bits), I assume they are not + doing so by picking up an iron filing and poking it into the circuitry + at carefully selected points to encode data. They would presumably be + punching numbers into a computer, which for all they know could program + the chips in a manner completely independent of the S1 and S2 values they + are feeding into the system. + +S1 and S2 are clearly the backdoor - we should assume they are all +compromised. If they're not compromisable, why the hell not use a +hardware true random number source. There isn't a random number +source *anywhere* in this proposal. The whole thing is deterministic +from the day the serial number is stamped on the chip. + +Nope, it can't be trusted. This is all about two levels of access - +the (possibly honest) key escrow that police forces have to use, and +ostensibly the FBI; and the back door that lets the NSA decode *everything* +on the fly - and maybe some back-handers to the FBI when they want a +warrantless tab in exchange for favours. + +G +";16;True +"From: michal+@cs.cmu.edu (Michal Prussak) +Subject: ""Illegal"" tint windows +Nntp-Posting-Host: gs58.sp.cs.cmu.edu +Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon +Lines: 38 + +I know it's a long shot, but maybe someone went through this and will have +some comments to share. + +The story is this: I bought a car out of state, and I'm trying to get +the safety inspection in Pennsylvania. The problem is that the car has +aftermarket tint on all windows except the windshield. The tint is rather +weak, and you can clearly see the inside of the car through the tint. + +The inspection garage said that they won't pass it unless I get a +waiver from the state police. So I went to the state police - the +officer told me that aftermarket tint is illegal, and I can get a +waiver only for a pre-84 car or for a medical reason. I asked him to +show me the section of the vehicle code that says it's illegal. He +showed it to me and the paraghaph said that you can't have tint, if +you can't see the inside of the car because of the tint. When I told +him that you can in fact see the inside very well, he shut the book +and said ""It's just illegal, and in fact we can have someone give you +a ticket for it right now."" Well, won't argue with that... + +Since the vehicle code says it's OK as long as you can see through the +tint, I'd like to keep it (I'll re-read the vehicle code in the +library). I'd also like to get some sort of paper from the police +that says it's OK, so I can get the inspection, and so that I won't +get in trouble for the tint later on. I also wouldn't mind registering +a complaint against that officer - he really pissed me off. + +So does anyone have any experience getting that sort of a paper from +the police, especially in Pennsylvania? Does anyone have any experience +registering a complaint against an officer? I called the station +later on today, but they basically said there is no place where I +could register a complaint against an officer... And if I do decide +to keep the tint and get a ticket anyway, how much of a chance do +I stand to succesfully appeal the ticket in court? + +Any comments about it will be welcome! + +Michal + +";10;True +"From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) +Subject: Re: Waco, they did it. ( MASADA ) +Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc. +Lines: 20 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: rocket.sw.stratus.com + +In article , wwarf@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Wayne J. Warf) writes: + +> I can't see these people standing calmly around while they burned to +> death. Sorry. I just can't see them choosing a death as horrible as +> this. The story doesn't wash. It'll take some convincing to get me +> to believe it. The FBI said today that Koresh had earlier intended +> to strap himself with explosives, come over to the FBI agents and +> detonate, but lost his nerve. He lost his nerve for a quick, clean +> death but not to roasted alive? Sorry, don't believe it, even if he +> was nutty as a fruitcake. + +On Ted Koppel last night, the ubiquitous Australian woman claimed that +Koresh trained the women (years ago) how to commit suicide by swallowing +cyanide or by putting a gun in their mouth. With cyanide on hand, why +choose to roast yourself? There are too many unanswered questions here. +-- + +cdt@rocket.sw.stratus.com --If you believe that I speak for my company, +OR cdt@vos.stratus.com write today for my special Investors' Packet... + +";3;True +"From: S903146@mailserv.cuhk.hk +Subject: Re: DOS6 - no boot disk required if you don't want EMM386 to load +Nntp-Posting-Host: wksa16.csc.cuhk.hk +Organization: Computer Services Centre, C.U.H.K. +Distribution: usa +Lines: 20 + +In article sms@cs.utexas.edu (Stephen Mark Sanderson) writes: +>From: sms@cs.utexas.edu (Stephen Mark Sanderson) +>Subject: DOS6 - no boot disk required if you don't want EMM386 to load +>Date: 8 Apr 1993 15:12:40 -0500 +>Everybody, DOS 6 users in particular, take note: if you want to play games +>that hate/use their own upper memory manager, DOS 6 is not a problem. No +>boot disks required. As your system starts up, hit the F5 key. This tells +>it to bypass config and autoexec altogether. You get a plain, generic session +>of DOS, with nothing loaded. steps thru config.sys asking if you want to execute each line, but I've +>forgotten it at the moment...you can try finding it - I think it's F9...> + + No, you need not bypass the config.sys, in Dos 6.0, there is a function +of multi-config, have you tried BOOT.SYS ? the multi-config is the kind that +you can choose you config.sys at the startup. And I find that is very good. +It has no conflict to QEMM. (I have problem when using BOOT.SYS) + The key you say is F8, which is trace the config.sys step by step. + Sorry, if any error :) + +Phillip (phillipau@cuhk.hk) +";5;True +"From: kmembry@viamar.UUCP (Kirk Membry) +Subject: moving icons +Reply-To: rutgers!viamar!kmembry +Organization: Private System +Lines: 9 + +I remember reading about a program that made windows icons run away +from the mouse as it moved near them. Does anyone know the name +of this program and the ftp location (probably at cica) + +-- +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= +Kirk Membry ""Our Age is the Age of Industry"" +rutgers!viamar!kmembry - Alexander Rodchenko +-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- +";6;True +"From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) +Subject: Re: My New Diet --> IT WORKS GREAT !!!! +Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) +Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science +Lines: 16 + +In article <1993Mar30.030105.26772@omen.UUCP> caf@omen.UUCP (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) writes: + +>Sometime in the future diet evangelists may get off their ""our +>diet will work if only the obese would obey it"" mode and do +>useful research to allow prediction of which types of diet might +>be useful to a given individual. +> + +""Diet Evangelist"". Good term. Fits Atkins to a ""T"". + + +-- +---------------------------------------------------------------------------- +Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and +geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" +---------------------------------------------------------------------------- +";4;True +"From: ifarqhar@laurel.ocs.mq.edu.au (Ian Farquhar) +Subject: Re: Screw the people, crypto is for hard-core hackers & spooks only +Organization: Macquarie University, Sydney Australia +Lines: 35 +NNTP-Posting-Host: laurel.ocs.mq.edu.au + +In article <19930419.155204.305@almaden.ibm.com> ameline@vnet.IBM.COM (Ian Ameline) writes: +> I also believe that someone will reverse engineer the clipper chip, +>and knowlege of the algorithm will likely be fairly widespread. Any back- +>doors or weaknesses would further discredit the scheme, and help grow +>the market demand for a secure alternative. + +I must admit that this point has been running through my mind for most of +the discussion: one the dice are out there, it won't be long before someone +decaps it and, after a bit of work, has full details of the Clipper +algorythm. This isn't trivial to do, but then again, it is not impossibly +difficult either. Any half way decent VLSI design student should be able +to take a photograph of a technology s/he is familiar with, and given a +description of the input, output, control and supply lines, figure out +the function of various subsystems on the die. Indeed, this is not an +uncommon exercise performed during training (because it makes you think +about design decisions made by other designers. + +I could speculate that these chips are going to be manufactured using +""tamperproof"" carriers (unlikely - such techniques are *very* expensive +and this thing is supposed to be relatively cheap to produce), or that +there will be some legal or legislative framework to prevent publication +of the algorythm (unlikely - please correct me if I am wrong but aren't these +supposed to be sold internationally?). I suppose that the most likely +reason the algorythm is remaining secret for the moment is that some idiot +bureaucrat, untrammeled by the realities of the situation, decided that +""well, we should keep it a secret because it is supposed to be secret, +isn't it?"" + +Just some random thoughts... + +-- +Ian Farquhar Phone : + 61 2 805-9400 +Office of Computing Services Fax : + 61 2 805-7433 +Macquarie University NSW 2109 Also : + 61 2 805-7420 +Australia EMail : ifarqhar@laurel.ocs.mq.edu.au. +";16;True +"From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) +Subject: Re: , mathew@mantis.co.uk (mathew) writes: +|> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes: +|> > And we, meaning people who drive, +|> > accept the risks of doing so, and contribute tax money to design systems +|> > to minimize those risks. +|> +|> Eh? We already have systems to minimize those risks. It's just that you car +|> drivers don't want to use them. +|> +|> They're called bicycles, trains and buses. + +Poor Matthew. A million posters to call ""you car drivers"" and he +chooses me, a non car owner. + +jon. +";9;True +"From: dfitts@carson.u.washington.edu (Douglas Fitts) +Subject: Re: RA treatment question +Organization: University of Washington +Lines: 24 +NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu + +eulenbrg@carson.u.washington.edu (Julia Eulenberg) writes: + +>I'm assuming that you mean Rheumatoid Arthritis (RA). I've never heard +>of the ""cold treatment"" you mentioned. I can't imagine how it would +>work, since most of us who have Rh.Arthr./RA seem to have more problems +>in cold weather than in warm weather. Would be interested to hear more! +>Z +>Z + + +No, obviously talking about Research Assistants. I favor a high protein, +low fat diet, barely adequate salary on a fixed time schedule, four hours +of sleep a night, continuous infusion of latte, unpredictable praise +mixed randomly with anxiety-provoking, everpresent glances with +lowered eyebrows, unrealistic promises of rapid publication, and +every three months a dinner consisting of nothing but microbrewery ale +and free pretzels. Actually, mine hails from San Diego, and indeed +has more problems in Seattle in cold weather than in warm. + +Doug Fitts +dfitts@u.washington.edu + + + +";4;True +"From: drand@spinner.osf.org (Douglas S. Rand) +Subject: Re: Drawing Lines (inverse/xor) +In-Reply-To: singg@alf.uib.no's message of Wed, 21 Apr 93 11:19:19 GMT +Organization: Open Software Foundation +Lines: 47 + +In article <1993Apr21.111919.5281@alf.uib.no> singg@alf.uib.no (Kurt George Gjerde) writes: + + In article <1993Apr19.191531.15865@news.media.mit.edu>, dyoung@media.mit.edu (David Young) writes: + + : + : + + |> XSetFunction( myDisplay, gc, GXxor); + |> XSetForeground( myDisplay, gc, drawIndex); + |> + |> Then to draw I do: + |> + |> XDrawLine( myDisplay, XtWindow( drawingArea1), gc, x1, y1, x2, y2); + |> XFlush( myDisplay); + |> + |> And when I'm all done, to return things to normal I do: + |> + |> XSetFunction( myDisplay, gc, GXcopy); + |> + |> + |> What I'd like to happen is for the lines I draw to be the inverse of + |> whatever I'm drawing over. Instead what happens is I get white lines. If + |> the lines are over a white background - nothing shows up. If the lines are + |> over a black area - nothing shows up! It's very strange. But the GXxor + |> function seems right - since if I do a rubber-banding box, it erases and + |> redraws itself correctly (ie. not disturbing the underlying image). + |> + |> Any suggestions what I'm doing wrong? + |> + |> david + + + Try change the GXxor to GXequiv. I have to do this for programs that + are to run on NCD terminals (on Sun terminals I have to change it + back to GXxor)... + +There is a small section in the O'Reilly Xlib books that describes +the right thing to do. The key is to set the plane_mask in the +GC to the OR of the foreground and background pixel values. + + + +-- +Douglas S. Rand OSF/Motif Dev. +Snail: 11 Cambridge Center, Cambridge, MA 02142 +Disclaimer: I don't know if OSF agrees with me... let's vote on it. +Amateur Radio: KC1KJ +";12;True +"From: mbeckman@mbeckman.mbeckman.com (Mel Beckman) +Subject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption +Organization: Beckman Software Engineering +Reply-To: mbeckman@mbeckman.com +Distribution: na,world +X-Mailer: uAccess LITE - Macintosh Release: 1.5v5 +Lines: 47 + + +In article <1993Apr17.032022.14021@clarinet.com> (sci.crypt,alt.security,comp.org.eff.talk,comp.security.misc,comp.org.acm,comp.org.ieee), brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton) writes: +> Let's assume, for the moment, that the system really is secure unless +> you get both halves of the encryption key from the two independent +> escrow houses. Let's say you even trust the escrow houses -- one is +> the ACLU and the other is the EFF. (And I'm not entirely joking about +> those two names) + +The problem with ""Let's assume"" reasoning is that, taken to the extreme +(and you're close), you arrive at ""Let's assume this is perfectly OK."" + +The assumptions you make are big ones. If the system is really secure, then +why does the government have to keep the algorithm secret? There are plenty +of encryption algorithms that don't depend upon nondisclosure to be secure, +so why in the world use one that does? There are reasons, of course, but +I certainly can't think of any honest ones. + +Next, you assume we can ""trust"" the escrow houses. But the last time I checked, +EVERY SINGLE BRANCH OF GOVERNMENT has experienced unauthorized disclosure, +corruption, and even fabrication, of supposedly secure data. The govt is +saying ""Yeah, but NOW we're serious, so you can trust us."" Bullcrypt. + +And finally, although you didn't state it explicitly, you implicitly assume +that the warrant mechanism in this country is safe and reasonable. The case +in Ventura County of a man shot and killed by officers serving a deliberately +fraudulant warrant tells me that the govt has a long ways to go on this +score. + +Remember that all this is to catch the drug dealers, right? As others +have pointed out, the current proposal will, if deployed, render truly secure +encryption much more expensive and inconvenient than Uncle Sam's brand. +Who will be able to afford, and be sufficiently motivated, to purchase this +expensive, inconvenient higher protection? Somebody with lots of extra +cash... + +The following is more true than ever: + + ""When [strong] encryption is outlawed, only outlaws will have [strong] +encryption."" + + +________________________________________________________________________ +| Mel beckman | Internet: mbeckman@mbeckman.com | +| Beckman Software Engineering | Compuserve: 75226,2257 | +| Ventura, CA 93003 | Voice/fax: 805/647-1641 805/647-3125 | +|______________________________|_______________________________________| + ""You can observe a lot just by watching."" -Yogi Bera +";16;True +"From: artc@world.std.com (Art Campbell) +Subject: More MOA stuff --- like the RA +Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA +Lines: 17 + +OK -- so we've got a hotly contested BMWOA election and some inept +leadership. + +My question is the history of the BMW organization that lead to the +formation of the BMWRA. Was there something going on in the OA years +ago that precipitated the formation of two competing owner's groups? + +Just to stave off flames: I'm a (relatively new) member of both groups +and besides a difference in the slickness of the magazines, it seems +the major difference is that the RA guys seem to have more fun. . . + +Art +-- +Art Campbell artc@world.std.com 72227.1375@compuserve.com + DoD 358 _Real_ BMWs have just two wheels. + ""... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent + and a redheaded girl."" -- Richard Thompson +";7;True +"From: bolson@carson.u.washington.edu (Edward Bolson) +Subject: Sphere from 4 points? +Organization: University of Washington, Seattle +Lines: 18 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu + +Boy, this will be embarassing if it is trivial or an FAQ: + +Given 4 points (non coplanar), how does one find the sphere, that is, +center and radius, exactly fitting those points? I know how to do it +for a circle (from 3 points), but do not immediately see a +straightforward way to do it in 3-D. I have checked some +geometry books, Graphics Gems, and Farin, but am still at a loss? +Please have mercy on me and provide the solution? + +Thanks, +Ed + + +-- +Ed Bolson +University of Washington Cardiovascular Research (206)543-4535 +bolson@u.washington.edu (preferred) +bolson@max.bitnet bolson@milton.u.washington.edu (if you must) +";1;True +"From: Michael.Ameres@f204.n2603.z1.fidonet.org (Michael Ameres) +Subject: x86 ~= 680x0 ?? (How do they compare?) +Organization: FidoNet node 1:2603/204 - Not Even Odd, Forest Hills NY +Lines: 26 + +I believe it goes or will go: +680060 +powerPC +Pentium +680040 +486 +680030 +386 +680020 +286=680000 + +In a resent article in one of the macMags I think a 50mHz 030 accelerator was + slightly slower than a 25mHz 040 accel. But, this is using a system designed + for the 030. So, It stands to reason that a system designed for an 040 ie + quadra) would do better. So overall I'd figure 040 = 030 * 2.5 or so. + Along the same lines the new POwerPC stuff is supposed to run the system + at the level of a fast quadra, but system 8 or whatever will allow 3 times the + speed of a 040 in the powerPC based systems. and wait for the 680060. I think + it laps the pentium. + +pro-life pro-women + + +-- +=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*= + Michael Ameres - Internet: Michael.Ameres@f204.n2603.z1.fidonet.org +";0;True +"From: rats@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (Morris the Cat) +Subject: Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card +Organization: AT&T +Distribution: usa +Lines: 43 + + +|What seems to be happening here is the situation getting totally blown out of +|proportion. In my post I was referring to your regular patrolman in a car +|cruising around the city vs. gang members. Of course the police have access +|to the things that you mentioned but do they use tanks and such all of the +|time? Of course they don't and that's the point I was trying to make. Every +|day when I go out to lunch I always see cops coming in. The majority that I +|see are still carrying revolvers. Not that there is anything wrong with a +|revolver but if you're a cop that is up against some gang member with a couple +|of automatics in his coat (I mean semi-auto handguns) you're going to be at a +|disadvantage even with training. I have been at a shooting range where gang +|gang members were ""practicing"" shooting. They were actually practicing +|taking out their guns as quick as possible and shooting at the target +|and they weren't doing too badly either. The University cops here (who are +|are state cops) are armed better than the Chicago police. It seems most +|state cops are. I don't know where you are originally from David but you live +|in Tennesse and I live in Chicago and see this crap everyday on the news +|and in the papers. I think the situation is just a tad different here +|than there. + +However, don't forget that the police in Chicago can carry just about +anything they want except for the Glock, which is not approved for +carry (Guess they figure all cops are like the Police Chief of Winnetka, +who happened to let off a stray round of 9mm. This is the same anti-gun +police chief that wanted full-auto Uzis for his patrol cars...). + +Perhaps in the judgement of the majority of Chicago's finest, a close-to- +100% reliable weapon like a revolver is preferable to a 99.99% reliable +automatic. I note that in Germany, where certainly the 9mm semi-auto +handgun is king, some of the more elite police types want revolvers. + +I don't think the issue is cost, because Chicago police certainly make +on the order of at least $40K/year. + +Your presumption of ""disadvantage"" I think is not borne out by the +experiences of New York City's cops; there the cops usually come out +on top with their standard .38 Spl revolvers. + +I've seen S&Ws, Rugers and Beretta 9mms in addition to the revolvers +carried by Chicago cops.... in the past, I've seen .45 M1911s; others +have seen Browning Hi-Powers... + +|Jason +";3;True +"From: gsh7w@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Hennessy) +Subject: Re: New Study Out On Gay Percentage +Organization: University of Virginia +Lines: 10 + +In article phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) writes: +#Tells you something about the fascist politics being practiced .... + +Ah, ending discrimination is now fascism. + +-- +-Greg Hennessy, University of Virginia + USPS Mail: Astronomy Department, Charlottesville, VA 22903-2475 USA + Internet: gsh7w@virginia.edu + UUCP: ...!uunet!virginia!gsh7w +";18;True +"From: frosty@world.std.com (Robert J Nunez) +Subject: !!! IBM Games For Sale !!! +Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA +X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3 +Lines: 62 + +I would like to sell some software. Shipping is $3 per order - 1 or more +games in the continental U.S. $6 to Canada. Contact me for shipping +to other locations. + +Contraption Zack $20 + Perfect condition. Unregistered & all docs/disks/packaging + A 3-D puzzle game with great animated graphics. Your tools for + fixing up a manufacturing plant are hidden throughout the levels + and you must solve puzzles to get the tools and then use the tools + to fix the machines. The levels are HUGE and span many screens. + The graphics are cartoony and humorous. (256 color VGA,MCGA, + AdLib,Soundblaster,Roland,3.5"") + +Legend of Kyrandia $30 + Perfect condition. Unregistered & all docs/disks/packaging + An adventure where you are the unknowing heir to the throne of + the kingdom of Kyrandia. An evil jester has murdered your parents, + the king and queen, and attempted to take control of the kingdom, + only to be thwarted by a spell cast upon him by your grandfather + and three other magic users. You must travel to find each of the + magic users to gain use of an amulet that will help you to defeat + the jester. Beautiful graphics and a great soundtrack. (VGA,MCGA, + Adlib,Sound Blaster,SoundBlaster Pro,MT-32/LAPC-1,3.5"") + +Spirit of Excalibur by Virgin Mastertronic $15 + Good condition. All docs/disks/packaging. + A fantasy game combining Role-Playing, adventure, and combat + simulation. You are the Heir to the throne of Britain after Arthur + has died. You must re-unite the land under your rule and then + defend it against an invading army from the north. (EGA, Tandy, MCGA, + VGA, Sound cards, 5.25"") + +Loom $15 + Perfect condition. Unregistered & all docs/disks/packaging. + Received a Computer Gaming World Award for Artistic achievement. + An adventure game where you play the role of a young weaver of + musical spells. You must save your fellow weavers from oblivion + by traveling through the land, casting spells, learning new spells + befriending people you meet, and foiling an evil plot. All + point and click -- no typing. Every action in the game involves + casting your musical spells. (VGA,EGA,CGA,MCGA,TANDY,AdLib,CMS sound, + 5.25"") + +Dark Seed $35 + Perfect condition, used very little. Unregistered & all docs/disks/ + packaging. An adventure based on the surrealistic and macabre + artwork of H.R. Giger -- the inspiration for Alien, Alien III, and + Poltergeist II. You have just bought an old victorian house + at a bargain in a secluded town. You find that there is a portal + to a dark, sinister world in your house and a plot against the + world as you know it. You must save yourself and your world from + a horrible fate. Gorgeous and Gory high resolution graphics. + (VGA,Adlib,SoundBlaster,3.5"") + +Conquest of Japan by Impressions $30 + Brand new, used only once. Unregistered & all docs/disks/packaging. + Simulation of Samurai conquest. You play the role of a Japanese + Daimyo - a Lord. You control five cities on Japan's main island, + Honshu. Each provides money for you to buy armies, with which + you must conquer your enemy. Battles are fought with Impressions' + Miniature System. You watch the individual Samurai, Mounted Samurai, + Spearmen, Archers, and Arquebusiers. (VGA, Adlib, 3.5"" & 5.25"") +";8;True +"From: ""Derrick J. Brashear"" +Subject: virtual mouse in open look under X11? +Organization: Sophomore, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA +Lines: 6 +NNTP-Posting-Host: andrew.cmu.edu + +Is the virtual mouse simulation in ol{v}wm 3.x available under X11R5? +I've been told I'm setting the right resource, yet it continues not to +work. I'm running olvwm3.3 (or olwm 3) on a Sun 3, X11R5 pl 22. + +-D + +";12;True +"From: dunguyen@ecs.umass.edu +Subject: Hayes 9600 external AC pins??? +Lines: 7 + +Hello, +I have a Hayes 9600 moden with no cables or manuals. The +modem requires a source of 14V AC, but I do not know how +to connect the power source to the 3 pin connector. I know +that the top pin is the ground, so I would guess that the other +two are the AC pins, right? If you have any hints, please +E-Mail me, I really need help... Thanks!!! Duc N. +";5;True +"From: dlecoint@garnet.acns.fsu.edu (Darius_Lecointe) +Subject: Re: Sabbath Admissions 5of5 +Organization: Florida State University +Lines: 227 + +Someone sent me this FAQ by E-mail and I post my response here. + +[I'm not enforcing the inclusion limits on this FAQ because most +of our readers probably haven't seen it. --clh] + +Christ warns that anyone who ""breaks one of the least of these +commandments *and* teaches otheres to do the same will be called least in +the kingdom of heaven"" (Matt. 5:19. This FAQ is so full of error that I +must respond to it. I hope that whoever maintains will remove from it the +partisan theology. + +| > Brothers and Sisters, +| > +| > Being new to the faith and examining the Decalogue closely, I've noticed the +| > fourth commandment is pretty specific about ""keeping the Sabbath day."" It +| > states the 7th day( Saturday ) is the Sabbath while most Christian religions +| > keep( or atleast go to church ) on Sunday. What's up? +| +| This is a frequently asked question. Every time it arises, it causes +| months of debate. So let me see if I can answer you directly. +| Basically it's because the Law was given to Moses as part of a +| specific covenanent with the Jews. Most of us aren't Jews, so we +| aren't part of that covenant. There was an argument early in +| Christian history about whether the Mosaic laws should apply to +| Gentiles who became Christians. You can see the account of this +| debate in Acts 15. The main question there was circumcision, but +| keeping the Sabbath would be part of it as well. The apostles +| concluded that we need not become Jews in order to become Christians, +| and therefore that rules such as circumcision did not apply to us. + +1. The law was known to man before it was revealed on Mount Sinai. Rom +4:15 notes that ""where no law is, there is no transgression."" Not only +did sin exist before Sinai (Eden), but the Sabbath was kept before it +was revealed on Sinai (Ex 16). + +2. The problem with the first covenant was not the law, but the promise +which undergirded it. God wanted to perform his will in the lives of the +people, but in their ignorance after 400 years of slavery, they promised +""what ever He says to do we will do."" That is why the new covenant is +based on ""better promises"" (Heb. 8:6). Rather than do away with the law +God promised to ""put my laws in their minds and write them on their +hearts"" (Heb. 8:10). + +3. Including the Sabbath in the Acts 15 is selective inclusion. The +Sabbath was more important to the Jews than circumcision. If any attempt +had been made to do away with the Sabbath the reaction would have been +even more strident than is recorded in Acts 15. Do not confuse the weekly +Sabbath of the Decalogue with the ceremonial sabbaths which could occur at +any time of the week and were part of the law (ceremonial) which was +*added* because of transgression (of the moral law) (Gal 3:19). + +4. Israel stands for God's people of all time. That is why God *grafted* +the Gentiles in. Roma 9:4 says that the adoption, the glory, the +covenants, the giving of the law, the service of God and the promises +belong to Israelites. In explanation Paul makes it clear that being born +into Israel is not enough ""For they are not all Israel, which are of +Israel"" v 6. Then in Gal 3:19 he says ""if ye be Christ's, then are ye +Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise."" All Christians are +Abraham's seed, Jews, Israelites. Not physically, for that is not the +criterion, but spiritually. We are joint heirs with Jesus based on the +promise God made to all his people the Israelites. + +| +| While Christians agree that the OT Laws do not all apply to us, +| because some of them are part of a specific covenanent with the Jews, +| we also expect to see some similarity between the things God expected +| from the Jews and the things he expects from us. After all, it's the +| same God. However there are several ways of dealing with this. +| +| These days the most common approach is to separate the OT commandments +| into ""moral"" and ""ceremonial"". Ceremonial commandments apply only to +| the Jews. They are part of the specific Mosaic covenant. These are +| thinsg like the kosher laws and circumcision. Moral laws apply to +| everyone. Most of the 10 commands are part of the moral law, except +| for the commandment about the Sabbath. I believe most people who take +| this approach would say that the specific requirement to worship on +| the Sabbath is part of the ceremonial law, but a general obligation to +| worship regularly is part of the general moral law. Thus Christians +| are free to choose the specific time we worship. + +People would probably agree but they are wrong. How can the Sabbath +commandment be ceremonial when it is part of a law which predates the +ceremonial laws? You are not free to choose your time of worship. Even +if you were why do you follow a day of worship which has its origins in pagan +sun worship. Would you rather give up a day which God blessed, +sanctified, and hallowed in exchange for one which all church leaders +agree has not biblical foundation (see Sabbath Admissions in +soc.religion.christian.bible-study). +| +| A more radical approach (which is generally connected with John Calvin +| and the Reformed tradition) says that the Law as a whole is no longer +| binding. Instead, we are entirely under grace, and our behavior +| should be guided solely by love. Portions of the OT Law are still +| useful as guidance. But they are not properly speaking legally +| binding on us. In practice most people who take this position do not +| believe it is safe to leave Christians without moral guidannce. While +| we may no longer be under Law, as sinners, it's not safe for us to go +| into situations with no principles to guide us. We're too good at +| self-justification for that to be safe. Thus Christians do have moral +| guidance, from things like Jesus' teachings, Paul's advice, etc. +| These may not be precisely a Law, but they serve much the same +| function as, and have largely the same content as, the ""moral law"" in +| the previous analysis. While Calvin would deny that we have a fixed +| legal responsibility to worship on any specific day, he would say that +| given human weakness, the discipline of regular worship is important. +| +I do not care what Calvin or any theologian says. My guide is what God +says. If being not under the law means we do not have to keep the law, +why is it that the only section of the law we have trouble with is the +Sabbath commandment, which is the only one God thought was important +enough to say *REMEMBER*? If you study the word deeply you will note that +the message is that we are no longer under the condemnation of the law but +freed by the grace of God. If a cop pulls me over for speeding, then in +court I ask for mercy and the judge does not throw the book at me but gives me +grace, do I walk out of the court saying ""I can now go on speeding, for I +am now under grace?"" Being under grace I now drive within the speed +limit. Paul adds to it in Rom. 3:31 ""Di we then make void the law through +faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law."" ""Wherefore the law is +holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good"" (Rom. 7:12). + +| In both analyses, the specific day is not an issue. As a matter of +| tradition, we worship on Sunday as a memorial of Christ's +| resurrection. There's some debate about what Acts shows about early +| Christian worship. The most common analysis is that is shows Jewish +| Christians continuing to go to Jewish services on the Sabbath, but +| that specifically Christian service were not necessarily held then. +| Act 20:7 shows worship on the first day (Sunday), and I Cor 16:2 also +| implies gatherings on that day. +| +| There are a few groups that continue to believe Christians have to +| worship on the Sabbath (Saturday). The best-known are the Seventh-Day +| Adventists and Jehovah's Witnesses. They argue that Act 20:7 is not a +| regular worship service, but a special meeting to see Paul off, and +| that I Cor 16:2 doesn't explicitly say it's a regular worship service. + +Do you prefer implication to fact? A careful study of the Acts 20 shows +that the meeting was on Saturday night and that on Sunday morning Paul did +not go to a worship service, but set off on a long journey by foot to +Assos. In ICor 16 there is no way you can equate ""lay by him in store"" +with ""go to a worship service."" +| +| It's clear that this issue was a contested one in Paul's time. See +| Rom 14:5. Paul's advice is that we should be very careful about +| judging each other on issues like this. One person sees a specific +| day as mandated by God, while another does not. He who observes that +| specific day does it in honor of the Lord. He who believes his +| worship is free of such restrictions also does it in honor of the +| Lord. (Those who believe that the Sabbath is still mandated argue +| that Paul is not referring to Sabbath worship here. Note however Col +| 2:16, which says something similar but briefer. It explicitly +| mentions Sabbath.) + +Wrong. These are the sabbath days of the ceremonial law, not the Sabbath +day of the moral law. +| +| There are some differences among Christians about use of the word +| ""Sabbath"". Originally the term referred to the 7th Day, the Jewish +| day of worship. Many Christians now use it to refer to Sunday, the +| day of Christian worship. They do this largely so that they can apply +| the 4th (or whatever -- there are a couple of different numbering +| schemes) commandment to it. Reformed tradition does not do this. It +| distinguishes between the Sabbath -- which is the observance mandated +| for Jews, and the Lord's Day -- which is the free Christian worship. +| (The only reference I can find to this in the NT is Rev 1:10.) There +| are also differences about laws regarding this day. Many Christians +| support ""blue laws"", both in secular law and church law, setting aside +| that day and causing people to spend it in worship. The more radical +| anti-legal approach sees such regulations as a return to the Jewish +| Sabbath, which is not appropriate to the free Christian worship of the +| Lord's Day. +| +Why would you prefer to twist and turn, relying on different arguments +which conflict with each other, rather than obey a simple request from a +God who loved you enough to die for you. Jesus died because the law could +not be changed. Why bother to die in order to meet the demands of a +broken law if all you need to do is change the law. Penalties for law +breaking means the law is immutable. That is why it is no sin not to +follow the demands of the ceremonial laws. It will always be a sin to +make false gods, to violate God's name, to break the Sabbath, to steal, to +kill, etc. Except it you disagree. But then your opinion has no weight +when placed next to the word of God. + +Darius + +[It's not clear how much more needs to be said other than the FAQ. I +think Paul's comments on esteeming one day over another (Rom 14) is +probably all that needs to be said. I accept that Darius is doing +what he does in honor of the Lord. I just wish he might equally +accept that those who ""esteem all days alike"" are similarly doing +their best to honor the Lord. + +However I'd like to be clear that I do not think there's unambiguous +proof that regular Christian worship was on the first day. As I +indicated, there are responses on both of the passages cited. + +The difficulty with both of these passages is that they are actually +about something else. They both look like they are talking about +nnregular Christian meetings, but neither explicitly says ""and they +gathered every Sunday for worship"". We get various pieces of +information, but nothing aimed at answering this question. + +Act 2:26 describes Christians as participating both in Jewish temple +worship and in Christian communion services in homes. Obviously the +temple worship is on the Sabbath. Acts 13:44 is an example of +Christians participating in them. Unfortunately it doesn't tell us +what day Christians met in their houses. Acts 20:7, despite Darius' +confusion, is described by Acts as occuring on Sunday. (I see no +reason to impose modern definitions of when days start, when the +Biblical text is clear about what was meant.) The wording implies to +me that this was a normal meeting. It doesn't say they gathered to +see Paul off, but that when they were gathered for breaking bread, +Paul talked about his upcoming travel. But that's just not explicit +enough to be really convincing. Similarly with 1 Cor 16:2. It says +that on the first day they should set aside money for Paul's +collection. Now if you want to believe that they gathered specially +to do this, or that they did it in their homes, I can't disprove it, +but the obvious time for a congregation to take an offering would be +when they normally gather for worship, and if they were expected to do +it in their homes there would be no reason to mention a specific day. +So I think the most obvious reading of this is that ""on the first day +of every week"" simply means every time they gather for worship. + +I think the reason we have only implications and not clear statements +is that the NT authors assumed that their readers knew when Christian +worship was. + +--clh] +";17;True +"From: steinly@topaz.ucsc.edu (Steinn Sigurdsson) +Subject: Re: DC-X Rollout Report +Article-I.D.: topaz.STEINLY.93Apr6170313 +Distribution: sci +Organization: Lick Observatory/UCO +Lines: 29 +NNTP-Posting-Host: topaz.ucsc.edu +In-reply-to: buenneke@monty.rand.org's message of Tue, 6 Apr 1993 22:34:39 GMT + +In article buenneke@monty.rand.org (Richard Buenneke) writes: + + McDonnell Douglas rolls out DC-X + + ... + + + SSTO research remains cloudy. The SDI Organization -- which paid $60 + million for the DC-X -- can't itself afford to fund full development of a + follow-on vehicle. To get the necessary hundreds of millions required for + +This is a little peculiar way of putting it, SDIO's budget this year +was, what, $3-4 billion? They _could_ fund all of the DC development +out of one years budget - of course they do have other irons in the +fire ;-) and launcher development is not their primary purpose, but +the DC development could as easily be paid for by diverting that money +as by diverting the comparable STS ops budget... + +- oh, and before the flames start. I applaud the SDIO for funding DC-X +devlopment and I hope it works, and, no, launcher development is not +NASAs primary goal either, IMHO they are supposed to provide the +enabling technology research for others to do launcher development, +and secondarily operate such launchers as they require - but that's +just me. + +| Steinn Sigurdsson |I saw two shooting stars last night | +| Lick Observatory |I wished on them but they were only satellites | +| steinly@lick.ucsc.edu |Is it wrong to wish on space hardware? | +| ""standard disclaimer"" |I wish, I wish, I wish you'd care - B.B. 1983 | +";2;True +"From: ejbehr@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Eric Behr) +Subject: Buying a high speed v.everything modem +Article-I.D.: rs6000.1993Apr20.001127.4928 +Reply-To: behr@math.ilstu.edu (Eric Behr) +Organization: Central Illinois Surfing Club +Lines: 26 + +Just a quick summary of recent findings re. high speed modems. Top three +contenders seem to be AT&T Paradyne, ZyXEL, and US Robotics. ZyXEL has the +biggest ""cult following"", and can be had for under $300, but I ignored it +because I need something with Mac software, which will work without any +tweaking. + +The AT&T Dataport earns nearly unanimous praises for reliability. They are +backordered at the moment, probably because of the special $299 price in +effect until May. Its fax capabilities are worse than that of the other two +modems. WARNING: AT&T ads say that the modem comes with a Mac kit (cables & +all), and has lifetime warranty. This applies *only* when you order +directly from Paradyne! I called ElekTek (one of the distributors), and +they wanted to charge me $16 for cable, and gave only 1 year warranty... + +USR Sportster for the Mac is also highly (but not as highly) recommended; +it's only $250 from ClubMac, and if you are willing to roll your own cable +and don't care about the FAXstf software, you can get the generic model +from PC outlets for $190. + +All this assuming that you don't have a rich uncle, and can't afford a +Motorola Codex... :-( I ended up ordering the Dataport; we'll see how +it works in two weeks or so. + +-- +Eric Behr, Illinois State University, Mathematics Department +behr@math.ilstu.edu or behr@ilstu.bitnet (please avoid!) +";0;True +"From: kxgst1+@pitt.edu (Kenneth Gilbert) +Subject: Re: Do we need a Radiologist to read an Ultrasound? +Organization: University of Pittsburgh +Lines: 31 + +In article <1993Apr20.180835.24033@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> dougb@ecs.comm.mot.com writes: +:My wife's ob-gyn has an ultrasound machine in her office. When +:the doctor couldn't hear a fetal heartbeat (13 weeks) she used +:the ultrasound to see if everything was ok. (it was) +: +:On her next visit, my wife asked another doctor in the office if +:they read the ultrasounds themselves or if they had a radiologist +:read the pictures. The doctor very vehemently insisted that they +:were qualified to read the ultrasound and radiologists were NOT! +: +:[stuff deleted] + +This is one of those sticky areas of medicine where battles frequently +rage. With respect to your OB, I suspect that she has been certified in +ultrasound diagnostics, and is thus allowed to use it and bill for its +use. Many cardiologists also use ultrasound (echocardiography), and are +in fact considered by many to be the 'experts'. I am not sure where OBs +stand in this regard, but I suspect that they are at least as good as the +radioligists (flame-retardant suit ready). + + + + + + + +-- +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-|-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= += Kenneth Gilbert __|__ University of Pittsburgh = += General Internal Medicine | ""...dammit, not a programmer!"" = +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-|-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= +";4;True +"From: healta@saturn.wwc.edu (Tammy R Healy) +Subject: Re: some thoughts. +Keywords: Dan Bissell +Lines: 31 +Organization: Walla Walla College +Lines: 31 + +In article <11820@vice.ICO.TEK.COM> bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert Beauchaine) writes: +>From: bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert Beauchaine) +>Subject: Re: some thoughts. +>Keywords: Dan Bissell +>Date: 15 Apr 93 18:21:21 GMT +>In article bissda@saturn.wwc.edu (DAN LAWRENCE BISSELL) writes: +>> +>> First I want to start right out and say that I'm a Christian. It +>>makes sense to be one. Have any of you read Tony Campollo's book- liar, +>>lunatic, or the real thing? (I might be a little off on the title, but he +>>writes the book. Anyway he was part of an effort to destroy Christianity, +>>in the process he became a Christian himself. +> +> This should be good fun. It's been a while since the group has +> had such a ripe opportunity to gut, gill, and fillet some poor +> bastard. +> +> Ah well. Off to get the popcorn... +> +>/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ +> +>Bob Beauchaine bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM +> +>They said that Queens could stay, they blew the Bronx away, +>and sank Manhattan out at sea. +> +>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +I hope you're not going to flame him. Please give him the same coutesy you' +ve given me. + +Tammy +";9;True +"From: bill@scorch.apana.org.au (Bill Dowding) +Subject: Re: Krillean Photography +Organization: Craggenmoore public Unix system , Newcastle , Oz +Lines: 15 + +todamhyp@charles.unlv.edu (Brian M. Huey) writes: + +>I think that's the correct spelling.. +> I am looking for any information/supplies that will allow +>do-it-yourselfers to take Krillean Pictures. I'm thinking +>that education suppliers for schools might have a appartus for +>sale, but I don't know any of the companies. Any info is greatly +>appreciated. + +Krillean photography involves taking pictures of minute decapods resident in +the seas surrounding the antarctic. Or pictures taken by them, perhaps. + +Bill from oz + + +";4;True +"From: de7043@medtronic.COM (Don Eller) +Subject: Re: MIDI files on MS-Win3.1 and SoundBlaster 1.0? +Article-I.D.: medtron.1993Apr22.190051.23597 +Organization: Medtronic, Inc. +Lines: 31 +Nntp-Posting-Host: bhutan.inst.medtronic.com +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] + +The Cybard (dudek@acsu.buffalo.edu) wrote: +: I have a 486DX-33 computer with a SoundBlaster 1.0 card. I'm running +: Microsoft Windows v3.1. I have the SB driver set up properly to play +: normal sounds (.WAV files, etc.). I want to play midi files through the +: Media Player that is included with windows. I know I have to set up the +: patch maps or something in the MIDI-Mapper in the Control Panel. I KNOW +: NOTHING ABOUT MIDI. (This is to be the way I'll get my feet wet.) + +: How do I set up Windows so that I can play MIDI files? +If you install the Soundblaster windows drivers correctly, and have +the latest drivers, the media player should be setup to play files +authored to Microsoft's Multimedia midi authoring standard (General +Midi), see the section in the back of the Voyetra manual in the +Soundblaster midi upgrade kit. +You'll find that midi files exist with all kinds of different +mappings, so don't expect them to always sound correct without using +some kind of midi file editor, such as Voyetra's Sequencer Plus. + +You can attempt to use the midi-mapper to remap the patches for +soundblaster, but since you cannot modify the sbfm.drv you are allways +stuck with the instruments that come with this driver. Unless you can +find an editor for making modifications to the instrument settings in +sbfm.drv , I would suggest you locate the early version of +soundblaster drivers that were mapped to mt32 voices, and the later +drivers that are mapped to the general midi voices. +: +: -- +: David Thomas Dudek / v098pwxs@ubvms.bitnet \ __ _ The Cybard +: State University / dudek@sun.acsu.buffalo.edu \ / `-' ) ,,, +: of New York / ""If music be the food of love, \ | | ()|||||||[:::} +: @ Buffalo / play on!"" - Wm. Shakespeare \ `__.-._) ''' +";6;True +"From: fulk@cs.rochester.edu (Mark Fulk) +Subject: Re: Science and methodology (was: Homeopathy ... tradition?) +Organization: University of Rochester +Lines: 53 + +In article sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com (Gary Merrill) writes: +> +>In article <1993Apr16.155919.28040@cs.rochester.edu>, fulk@cs.rochester.edu (Mark Fulk) writes: +>|> genes. This fantasy led him to sequence samples of the band and carry out +>|> binding assays. The result was a well-conserved, 400 or so bp, sequence +> +>But why do you characterize this as a ""flight of fancy"" or a ""fantasy""? + +The fantasy was that he had found something of fundamental importance to +one of the hot questions of the day ('77). He really had very little +reason to believe it, other than raw hope. By fantasy, I certainly don't +mean Velikovskian manias. + +>some other theory or domain). I would offer some rather well known examples +>such as Toricelli's Puy de Dome experiment done for the sake of his +>""sea of air"" hypothesis. + +I'm not familiar with the history of this experiment, although, arguably, +I should be. + +>""surprising""? +>Well, given the *prior* explanations of the phenomena involved it certainly +>be counted as so. Was the theory constructed (and the experiment designed) +>out of ""perfectly rational grounds""? Well, there was a pretty successful and +>well know theory of fluids. The analogy to fluids by Toricelli is explicit. +>The novelty was in thinking of air as a fluid (but this was *quite* a novelty +>at the time). Was the theory interesting? Yes. Was it ""new""? Well, one +>could argue that it was merely the extension of an existing theory to a new +>domain, but I think this begs certain questions. We can debate that if you +>like. + +I think that it is enough if his contemporaries found the result surprising. +That's not what I'd quibble about. What I'd like to know are Toricelli's +reasons for doing his experiment; not the post hoc _constructed_ reasons, +but the thoughts in his head as he considered the problem. It may be +impossible to know much about Toricelli's thoughts; that's too bad if +it is so. One of Root-Bernstein's services to science is that he has gone +rooting about in Pasteur's and Fleming's (and other people's) notes, and has +discovered some surprising clues about their motivations. Pasteur never +publicly admitted his plan to create mirror-image life, but the dreams are +right there in his notebooks (finally public after many years), ready for +anyone to read. And I and my friends often have the most ridiculous +reasons for pursuing results; one of my best came because I was mad at +a colleague for a poorly-written claim (I disproved the claim). + +Of course, Toricelli's case may be an example of a rarety: where the +fantasy not only motivates the experiment, but turns out to be right +in the end. + +Mark +-- +Mark A. Fulk University of Rochester +Computer Science Department fulk@cs.rochester.edu +";4;True +"From: hanson@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Robin Hanson) +Subject: Estimating Wiretap Costs/Benefits +Nntp-Posting-Host: jabberwock.arc.nasa.gov +Organization: NASA/ARC Information Sciences Division +Lines: 38 + +I'm attempting to write a serious policy paper examining whether the +proposed wiretap (or ""Clipper"") chip is a cost-effective tool for +police investigation. That is, ignoring concerns about government +intrusions into individual privacy, is the value of easy wiretaps to +investigators greater than the cost to the communications industry, +and their customers, to support this wiretap technology? + +A rough estimate suggests that wiretaps are worth about five million +dollars per year to U.S. law enforcement agencies. (In 1990, 872 U.S. +wiretaps led to 2057 arrests, while total police expenditures of $28 +billion led to 11.25 million arrests [ref US Statistical Abstracts].) +I'm working on estimating this wiretap benefit more accurately, but +I'd like to ask hardware experts out there to help me with estimating +the costs of the new proposed wiretap technology. + +Please send me quotable/citeable estimates for: + +- How many chips which would need to be made per year to keep all + phones with wiretap chips? +- How much would it cost to make each chip? +- How much did it cost to develop this technology in the first place? +- How much more would supporting hardware, people, etc. cost, per chip? +- What percentage cheaper would encryption chips and support have been + if private enterprise could compete to meet customer encryption needs? +- What percentage of phone traffic would be taken up by the proposed + ""law enforcement blocks""? +- What is the total cost of handling all phone traffic per year? + +Put another way, the question I'm asking is, what if each police +agency that wanted a particular wiretap had to pay for it, being +charged their share of the full social cost of forcing communication +to be wiretap compatible? Would they choose to buy such wiretaps, or +would they find it more cost-effective to instead investigate crimes +in other ways? +-- +Robin Hanson hanson@ptolemy.arc.nasa.gov +415-604-3361 MS-269-2, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA 94035 +510-651-7483 47164 Male Terrace, Fremont, CA 94539-7921 +";16;True +"From: goykhman@apollo.hp.com (Red Herring) +Subject: Re: Clinton's immunization program +Nntp-Posting-Host: dzoo.ch.apollo.hp.com +Organization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Chelmsford, MA +Lines: 52 + +In article <15APR199320293386@utkvx.utk.edu> drevik@utkvx.utk.edu (Drevik, Steve) writes: +>In article , goykhman@apollo.hp.com (Red Herring) writes... +>>In article <1993Apr14.122758.11467@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jlinder@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jeffrey S Linder) writes: +>>>In article mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.C +>>>OM (Mark Wilson) writes: +>>>>On the news last night Clinton was bashing the republicans for stonewalling +>>>>his so called stimulus package. +>>>>It seems that one small item within this package was going to pay for free +>>>>immunizations for poor kids. +>>> +>>>Immunizations for children in this country are already free if you care to +>>>go have it done. The problem is not the cost, it is the irresponible parents +>>>who are to stupid or to lazy to have it done. +> +>I don't know where YOU live, but this is not the case nationawide. +>Perhaps your state or municipality has put together the funds to +>do so, but in my area and most areas where I know people, immunizations +>cost $$$. + + Nationwide, the immunization rate among toddlers is about 50%, but + it is reportedly as low as 10% in some inner-city neighborhoods. + I bet more than 10% kids living in such neighborhoods are already + covered by Medicaid. + + Here in Massachussets, we have had a universal immunization program, + the kind of Clinton seems to be proposing, for many years (two decades?). + Mass' immunization rate is 65%. What about the other 35%? I guess + some parents are indeed too ignorant or too lazy , or simply do not + care. + +> +>Sorry to shatter your stereotypes. + + ??? +> +>> +>> In case you haven't noticed, Clintonites are pushing a universal health +>> care ACCESS program. ""Access"" here means that folks who do not give +>> a damn about immunizing their children will have health care services +>> delivered to their doorsteps. +>> +>> +>>-- +>>------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ +>>Disclaimer: Opinions expressed are mine, not my employer's. +>>------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ + + +-- +------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ +Disclaimer: Opinions expressed are mine, not my employer's. +------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ +";18;True +"From: dlecoint@garnet.acns.fsu.edu (Darius_Lecointe) +Subject: Re: Sabbath Admissions 5of5 +Organization: Florida State University +Lines: 36 + +[In response to some of the discussions on the Sabbath, Andrew Byler +commented that if we really followed sola scriptura we would worship +on Saturday -- the change to Sunday was a law made by the Church, and +we don't acknowledge its authority to make laws. I noted that +Protestants do not consider Sunday worship a law. --clh] + +He was not referring to the FAQ but to the five Sabbath Admissions posted +on the bible study group. This is what prompted someone to send the FAQ +to me. + +> The argument against the Sabbath is +> that it is part of the ceremonial law, and like the rest of the +n> ceremonial law is not binding on Christians. + +You cannot show, from scripture, that the weekly Sabbath is part of the +ceremonial laws. Before you post a text in reply investigate its context. + +> If you accept that +> the Sabbath is not binding on Christians, then the day of worship +> falls into the category of items on which individual Christians or +> (since worship is by its nature a group activity) churches are free to +> decide. +> +Can the churches also decide what is and is not sin? Interesting. Where +there is no divine imperative of course we must establish rules of +operation. But we cannot be as creative with what God has explicitly +spoken on. + +Darius + +[Again, in the normal Protestant interpretation, Sunday is not a law, +and worshipping on another day is not a sin. Churches are free to +decide on the day they will meet, just as they are free to decide on +the hour. It would not be a sin to worship on some other day, but if +you belong to a church that worships on Sunday and you show up on +Monday, you will probably worship alone... --clh] +";17;True +"From: rgasch@nl.oracle.com (Robert Gasch) +Subject: Re: Homeopathy: a respectable medical tradition? +Organization: Oracle Europe +Lines: 47 +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] + +Gordon Banks (geb@cs.pitt.edu) wrote: +: In article <3794@nlsun1.oracle.nl> rgasch@nl.oracle.com (Robert Gasch) writes: +: > +: >: From a business point of view, it might make sense. It depends on +: >: the personality of the practitioner. If he can charm the patients +: >: into coming, homeopathy can be very profitable. It won't be covered +: >: by insurance, however. Just keep that in mind. Myself, I'd have +: >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +: > +: >In many European countries Homepathy is accepted as a method of curing +: >(or at least alleiating) many conditions to which modern medicine has +: >no answer. In most of these countries insurance pays for the +: >treatments. +: > + +: Accepted by whom? Not by scientists. There are people +: in every country who waste time and money on quackery. +: In Britain and Scandanavia, where I have worked, it was not paid for. +: What are ""most of these countries?"" I don't believe you. + +In Holland insurences pay for Homeopathic treatment. In Germany they do +so as well. I Austria they do if you have a condition which can not be +helped by ""normal"" medicine (happened to me). Switzerland seems to be +the same as Austria (I have direct experience in the Swiss case). + +At the Univeristy of Vienna (I believe Innsbruck as well) homeopathy +can be taken in Med. school. + +I found that in combination with Acupuncture it changed my life from +living hell to a condition which enables me to lead a relatively +normal life. I found that modern medicine was powerless to cure me +of a *severe* case of Neurodermitis (Note: I mean cure, not +surpress the symptoms, which is what modern medicine attempts to +do in the case of Neurodermitis). + +I'm not saying that Homeopathy is scientific, but that it can offer +help in areas in which modern medicine is absolutely helpless. + +From reading your aritcle it seems that your have some deeply rooted +beliefs about this issue (this is not intended to be offensive or +sarcastic - it just sounded like that to me) which makes me doubt +if you can read this with an open mind. If you do/can, please excuse +my last comment. + +---> Robert +rgasch@nl.oracle.com + +";4;True +"From: alin@nyx.cs.du.edu (ailin lin) +Subject: VGA card/1 meg wanted +Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept. +Lines: 7 + +it must have 1 meg memory and support res. 1024x768 (even higher will be better)if it has 9 & 15 pin ports and also supports ega/cga , that's better. +I will pay $30 + $1 (shipping) for it. + +let me knoe if u have one like this. + +ailin +803-654-8817 +";8;True +"From: sharp@mizar.usc.edu (Malcolm Sharp) +Subject: Re: Trumpet for Windows & other news readers +Article-I.D.: mizar.1r74aa$d7l +Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA +Lines: 5 +NNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu + +Where's an ftp site for Trumpet? (other than wuarchive, umich,.. +something off the beaten path??) + +Thanks. +Malcolm +";6;True +"From: ngai@nova.bellcore.com (John Ngai) +Subject: How to disable reverse video on xterm/man +Nntp-Posting-Host: nova.bellcore.com +Organization: Bellcore +Lines: 22 + +Well I am not sure if this is the right newsgroup to ask, but let me try anyway. +I am running xterm and like all UNIX users, I run man . Recently, +I switched to Solaris 2.1, and their man pages are littered with "".I"" directives +that are somehow translated into reverse video when displayed by man under xterm. +The resulting output (admittedly a personal taste) is very ANNOYING to look at. +Back when I was using SunOS 4.1.2, I remember their man pages have some keywords +displayed with underlining.... + +So my question is how do I change the xterm's behaviour under "".I"" directives +for nroff man pages, to perhaps underlining, or at least disabling it. ("".B"" +directives are fine, I like them. And of course, I don't want to go in and edit +the man pages inputs...) Somehow, xterm allows one to specify both a normal font +and a bold font, but not an italic font?? + +Any pointers, suggestions are greatly appreciated. +Thanks -- John + +P.S. Running xterm -rv won't work, I tried... + + + + +";12;True +"From: Robert Angelo Pleshar +Subject: Wirtz is a weenie +Organization: University Libraries - E&S Library, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA +Lines: 12 +NNTP-Posting-Host: po5.andrew.cmu.edu + +So what's the deal with Bill Wirtz? Apparently, the Blackhawks - St. +Louis game was a standing room only sell out as usual, but the Hawks +reported the attendace as 16,199. Gee, I wonder if Wirtz is planning to +use this as justification for continuing to keep home games off of TV? +What a schmuck. + +In other TV news, the Penguins announced yesterday that they will have 3 +fewer broadcast TV games, and will have 22(!) games on some sort of +subscription / pay-per-view system. Yuck. + +Ralph + +";13;True +"From: ""Altan J. Stalker"" +Subject: SE/30 Hard Drive Problem +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII +Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit +Organization: Indiana University +Mime-Version: 1.0 +Content-Length: 1161 +Lines: 33 + + +I have an SE/30 with a 80 meg HD which dates back to April 1989. When I +originally purchased it, I experienced the failure to boot problem. This +was fixed soon after by a ROM upgrade on the hard drive. + +Lately a similar problem has been occuring. When the computer is +powered on the HD light flashes a few times and then I am given +the ""no disk to boot from"" icon. However, upon turing the +computer off and on again the drive ALWAYS boots up just fine. +Furthermore, if instead of turning the power on and off I press the reboot +button the same problem occurs. But, as I said, turning the power +off and on always works. + +This problem is different from the 1989 boot problem in that before +it often required several power off and ons to get it to boot. + +Does anybody have any suggestions as to what the problem is or how +it can be fixed? + +I'm wondering if it's getting old and requires more time to +""come up to speed"" now. Is there a PRAM or SCSI setting that +allows me to tell the computer to wait a little longer before +trying to access the HD? + +Thanks! + + +Altan J. Stalker +astalker@nickel.ucs.indiana.edu +Indiana University +Computer Science Dept. + + +";0;True +"From: nick@sfb256.iam.uni-bonn.de ( Nikan B Firoozye ) +Subject: Re: Sunrise/ sunset times +Organization: Applied Math, University of Bonn, Germany +Lines: 15 + +A related question (which I haven't given that much serious thought +to): at what lattitude is the average length of the day (averaged +over the whole year) maximized? Is this function a constant= +12 hours? Is it truly symmetric about the equator? Or is +there some discrepancy due to the fact that the orbit is elliptic +(or maybe the difference is enough to change the temperature and +make the seasons in the southern hemisphere more bitter, but +is far too small to make a sizeable difference in daylight +hours)? + +I want to know where to move. + + -Nick Firoozye + nick@sfb256.iam.uni-bonn.de + +";2;True +"From: c5ff@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (COOK Charlie) +Subject: NHL Summary parse results for games played Thur, April 15, 1993 +Organization: University of New Brunswick +Lines: 278 + +Philadelphia 1 2 4--7 +Buffalo 0 3 1--4 +First period + 1, Philadelphia, Recchi 52 (Galley, Lindros) 0:18. +Second period + 2, Philadelphia, Hawgood 11 (Dineen, Eklund) pp, 2:15. + 3, Philadelphia, Dineen 33 (McGill) sh, 5:40. + 4, Buffalo, Barnaby 1 (Hawerchuk, Smehlik) pp, 7:48. + 5, Buffalo, Wood 18 (LaFontaine, Ledyard) pp, 17:34. + 6, Buffalo, Mogilny 75 (Hawerchuk, Carney) pp, 18:56. +Third period + 7, Philadelphia, Eklund 11 (Dineen, Beranek) 4:42. + 8, Buffalo, Mogilny 76 (Errey, LaFontaine) 5:24. + 9, Philadelphia, Dineen 34 (Brind'Amour) pp, 6:44. + 10, Philadelphia, Dineen 35 (Brind'Amour, Galley) sh, 8:39. + 11, Philadelphia, Acton 8 (Dineen, Brind'Amour) 19:48. + +Philadelphia: 7 Power play: 5-2 Special goals: pp: 2 sh: 2 Total: 4 +Scorer G A Pts +--------------- --- --- --- +Acton 1 0 1 +Beranek 0 1 1 +Brind'Amour 0 3 3 +Dineen 3 3 6 +Eklund 1 1 2 +Galley 0 2 2 +Hawgood 1 0 1 +Lindros 0 1 1 +McGill 0 1 1 +Recchi 1 0 1 + +Buffalo: 4 Power play: 10-3 +Scorer G A Pts +--------------- --- --- --- +Barnaby 1 0 1 +Carney 0 1 1 +Errey 0 1 1 +Hawerchuk 0 2 2 +LaFontaine 0 2 2 +Ledyard 0 1 1 +Mogilny 2 0 2 +Smehlik 0 1 1 +Wood 1 0 1 + +----------------------------------------- +Minnesota 1 1 1--3 +Detroit 0 2 3--5 +First period + 1, Minnesota, McPhee 18 (Ludwig) 1:23. +Second period + 2, Minnesota, Dahlen 34 (Courtnall, Gagner) pp, 0:31. + 3, Detroit, Drake 18 (Howe, Ogrodnick) 9:14. + 4, Detroit, Ysebaert 34 (Lidstrom, Howe) pp, 17:37. +Third period + 5, Detroit, Ciccarelli 41 (Coffey, Chiasson) pp, 0:32. + 6, Detroit, Kennedy 19 (Burr, Probert) 3:42. + 7, Detroit, Yzerman 58 (Ciccarelli, Gallant) 6:17. + 8, Minnesota, Dahlen 35 (Courtnall, Gagner) 19:11. + +Detroit: 5 Power play: 4-2 +Scorer G A Pts +--------------- --- --- --- +Burr 0 1 1 +Chiasson 0 1 1 +Ciccarelli 1 1 2 +Coffey 0 1 1 +Drake 1 0 1 +Gallant 0 1 1 +Howe 0 2 2 +Kennedy 1 0 1 +Lidstrom 0 1 1 +Ogrodnick 0 1 1 +Probert 0 1 1 +Ysebaert 1 0 1 +Yzerman 1 0 1 + +Minnesota: 3 Power play: 2-1 +Scorer G A Pts +--------------- --- --- --- +Courtnall 0 2 2 +Dahlen 2 0 2 +Gagner 0 2 2 +Ludwig 0 1 1 +McPhee 1 0 1 + +----------------------------------------- +Edmonton 0 0 0--0 +Winnipeg 1 2 0--3 +First period + 1, Winnipeg, Shannon 20 (Steen, Davydov) pp, 2:08. +Second period + 2, Winnipeg, Selanne 76 (Olausson) 5:25. + 3, Winnipeg, Zhamnov 25 (Selanne) 19:42. +Third period + No scoring. + +Winnipeg: 3 Power play: 6-1 +Scorer G A Pts +--------------- --- --- --- +Davydov 0 1 1 +Olausson 0 1 1 +Selanne 1 1 2 +Shannon 1 0 1 +Steen 0 1 1 +Zhamnov 1 0 1 + +Edmonton: 0 Power play: 3-0 +No scoring + +----------------------------------------- +Toronto 1 1 0--2 +Chicago 0 2 1--3 +First period + 1, Toronto, Baumgartner 1 (unassisted) 18:40. +Second period + 2, Chicago, Roenick 50 (Murphy, Chelios) 1:29. + 3, Toronto, Andreychuk 55 (Mironov, Lefebvre) 13:22. + 4, Chicago, Murphy 7 (Roenick, Chelios) pp, 19:05. +Third period + 5, Chicago, Matteau 15 (unassisted) 10:51. +Error: Power play goal mismatch. Assuming calc value. +Error: Team: Toronto Calc: 0 Read: 1 + +Chicago: 3 Power play: 7-1 +Scorer G A Pts +--------------- --- --- --- +Chelios 0 2 2 +Matteau 1 0 1 +Murphy 1 1 2 +Roenick 1 1 2 + +Toronto: 2 Power play: 3-0 +Scorer G A Pts +--------------- --- --- --- +Andreychuk 1 0 1 +Baumgartner 1 0 1 +Lefebvre 0 1 1 +Mironov 0 1 1 + +----------------------------------------- +First period + 1, St Louis, Shanahan 50 (Brown, Felsner) 10:44. + 2, St Louis, Miller 23 (Bassen, Brown) 19:38. + 3, St Louis, Bassen 8 (Zombo) 19:48. +Second period + 4, St Louis, Bassen 9 (Hedican, Miller) 0:14. + 5, St Louis, Miller 24 (Zombo, Hedican) 11:09. + 6, Tampa Bay, Maltais 7(Hamrlik) 11:27. + 7, Tampa Bay, Bergland 3 (Hervey, Gilhen) 17:16. + 8, St Louis, Shanahan 51 (Emerson) 19:38. +Third period + 9, Tampa Bay, Creighton 19 (Bergland, Bergevin) 0:40. + 10, Tampa Bay, Chambers 10 (Zamuner, Cole) 10:37. + 11, Tampa Bay, Cole 12 (Beers, Bradley) 11:58. + +St Louis: 6 Power play: 4-0 +Scorer G A Pts +--------------- --- --- --- +Bassen 2 1 3 +Brown 0 2 2 +Emerson 0 1 1 +Felsner 0 1 1 +Hedican 0 2 2 +Miller 2 1 3 +Shanahan 2 0 2 +Zombo 0 2 2 + +Tampa Bay: 5 Power play: 3-0 +Scorer G A Pts +--------------- --- --- --- +Beers 0 1 1 +Bergevin 0 1 1 +Bergland 1 1 2 +Bradley 0 1 1 +Chambers 1 0 1 +Cole 1 1 2 +Creighton 1 0 1 +Gilhen 0 1 1 +Hamrlik 0 1 1 +Hervey 0 1 1 +Maltais 1 0 1 +Zamuner 0 1 1 + +----------------------------------------- +San Jose 0 1 2--3 +Calgary 0 4 3--7 +First period + No scoring. +Second period + 1, San Jose, Garpenlov 22 (Odgers, Gaudreau) pp, 3:37. + 2, Calgary, Nieuwendyk 38 (MacInnis, Suter) pp, 5:26. + 3, Calgary, Ranheim 21 (Otto, Suter) 10:43. + 4, Calgary, Yawney 1 (Nieuwendyk, Roberts) 11:26. + 5, Calgary, Berube 4 (Paslawski, Skrudland) 13:45. +Third period + 6, San Jose, Wood 1 (Odgers, Kisio) 8:00. + 7, Calgary, Reichel 40 (unassisted) 9:26. + 8, Calgary, Roberts 38 (Musil, Paslawski) pp, 12:27. + 9, San Jose, Kisio 26 (unassisted) 13:10. + 10, Calgary, Paslawski 18 (Ashton, Stern) 16:16. + +Calgary: 7 Power play: 4-2 +Scorer G A Pts +--------------- --- --- --- +Ashton 0 1 1 +Berube 1 0 1 +MacInnis 0 1 1 +Musil 0 1 1 +Nieuwendyk 1 1 2 +Otto 0 1 1 +Paslawski 1 2 3 +Ranheim 1 0 1 +Reichel 1 0 1 +Roberts 1 1 2 +Skrudland 0 1 1 +Stern 0 1 1 +Suter 0 2 2 +Yawney 1 0 1 + +San Jose: 3 Power play: 3-1 +Scorer G A Pts +--------------- --- --- --- +Garpenlov 1 0 1 +Gaudreau 0 1 1 +Kisio 1 1 2 +Odgers 0 2 2 +Wood 1 0 1 + +----------------------------------------- +Vancouver 1 2 5--8 +Los Angeles 2 3 1--6 +First period + 1, Los Angeles, Robitaille 63 (Gretzky, Sandstrom) 1:39. + 2, Vancouver, Babych 3 (Craven, Nedved) pp, 9:43. + 3, Los Angeles, Sandstrom 25 (Gretzky, Robitaille) 10:06. +Second period + 4, Vancouver, Linden 32 (Ronning, Courtnall) pp, 0:54. + 5, Vancouver, Ward 22 (Hunter, Nedved) 1:24. + 6, Los Angeles, Gretzky 16 (Sandstrom, Robitaille) 6:57. + 7, Los Angeles, Zhitnik 12 (Kurri, Robitaille) pp, 14:02. + 8, Los Angeles, Millen 23 (Hardy) pp, 16:57. +Third period + 9, Vancouver, Ronning 27 (Dirk) 5:28. + 10, Vancouver, Ronning 28 (Courtnall, Linden) pp, 11:15. + 11, Vancouver, Linden 33 (Courtnall, Ronning) 11:27. + 12, Los Angeles, Donnelly 29 (Millen, Granato) pp, 14:35. + 13, Vancouver, Courtnall 31 (Ronning, Ratushny) 14:54. + 14, Vancouver, Ronning 29 (Linden, Diduck) en, 18:47. + +Vancouver: 8 Power play: 6-3 Special goals: pp: 3 en: 1 Total: 4 +Scorer G A Pts +--------------- --- --- --- +Babych 1 0 1 +Courtnall 1 3 4 +Craven 0 1 1 +Diduck 0 1 1 +Dirk 0 1 1 +Hunter 0 1 1 +Linden 2 2 4 +Nedved 0 2 2 +Ratushny 0 1 1 +Ronning 3 3 6 +Ward 1 0 1 + +Los Angeles: 6 Power play: 10-3 +Scorer G A Pts +--------------- --- --- --- +Donnelly 1 0 1 +Granato 0 1 1 +Gretzky 1 2 3 +Hardy 0 1 1 +Kurri 0 1 1 +Millen 1 1 2 +Robitaille 1 3 4 +Sandstrom 1 2 3 +Zhitnik 1 0 1 + +----------------------------------------- +";13;True +"From: tpeng@umich.edu (Timothy Richard Peng) +Subject: Re: Duo 230 crashes aftersleep (looks like Apple bug!) +Organization: University of Michigan -- Ann Arbor +Lines: 7 +Reply-To: tpeng@umich.edu +NNTP-Posting-Host: livy.ccs.itd.umich.edu +Originator: tpeng@livy.ccs.itd.umich.edu + +if you have a memory card installed that's not one of apple's, this +may be the problem. for a couple of months after the release of +the duo, some memory manufacturers were shipping duo memory cards w/ +improper (non-self-refreshing) chips. if you have a third party +card, pull it and see if the sleep problem recurs. + - tim + +";0;True +"From: hhm@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (herschel.h.mayo) +Subject: Re: BRAINDEAD Drivers Who Don't Look Ahead-- +Organization: Chicago Home for the Morally Challenged +Distribution: usa +Keywords: bad drivers +Lines: 29 + +In article , zdem0a@hgo7.hou.amoco.com (Donna Martz) writes: + +> >So, I block the would-be passers. Not only for my own good , +> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +> >but theirs as well even though they are often too stupid to realize it. +> !!! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ !!! +> >As a rule of philosophy, I don't feel particularly sorry when somebody gets +> >offed by his own stupidity, but It does worry me when some idiot is in a +> >position to cash in my chips, too. +> > H.H. Mayo +> +> Well, Aren't we just Mr. Altruism himself!! Just what the world needs, +> another frustrated self appointed traffic cop. + + +Well, if you want to stick the nose of your car up the ass of a 50 foot semi, I +suppose it's your neck, however, I'm not going to let you kill me in the bargain. +If you get frustrated by somebody delaying your inevitable death due to less that +wise driving practices, then TOUGH!!! + + + + + +""Thank God for the Fourth of July, for it yearly rids the earth of a considerable +load of fools"" + + Mark Twain + +";10;True +"From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward) +Subject: Re: Living +Organization: University College of Wales, Aberystwyth +Lines: 15 +Nntp-Posting-Host: 144.124.112.30 + + +In article <05APR93.02451203.0049@UNBVM1.CSD.UNB.CA> C70A@UNB.CA (C70A000) writes: +>In article <1993Apr2.213402.10821@eos.arc.nasa.gov> phil@eos.arc.nasa.gov (Phil Stone) writes: +>>Thanks for the compliments, Allan, but I think you sidestepped +>>my point there. I didn't say I didn't take *any* chances. Sheesh, +>>getting out of bed in the morning is risky; I sprained my ankle + +Damn right. I was late for a climbing meet one morning, so I got +out of bed without bothering that my right foot was still asleep. +It reminded me by folding underneath with a crunching of Metatarsals. +Lucky the brake's on the right, but i got funny looks riding thru +London with one leg held aloft. + +(Climbing wasnt a problem - the best splint in the world is a tight +climbing shoe.) +";7;True +"From: robert@cpuserver.acsc.com (Robert Grant) +Subject: Re: Animation with XPutImage()? +Organization: USCACSC, Los Angeles +Lines: 11 +Distribution: world +Reply-To: robert@cpuserver.acsc.com (Robert Grant) +NNTP-Posting-Host: cpuserver.acsc.com + +Hi everyone, + +Does anyone know a good way to adjust colourmaps on the +fly (say during an animation) and prevent the current +set of colours from flickering? + +Thanks, + +Robert +robert@acsc.com + +";12;True +"From: C445585@mizzou1.missouri.edu (John Kelsey) +Subject: Corporate acceptance of the wiretap chip +Nntp-Posting-Host: mizzou1.missouri.edu +Organization: University of Missouri +Lines: 60 + + +strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes: +> +>>What follows is my opinion. It is not asserted to be ""the truth"" so no +>>flames, please. It comes out of a background of 20 years as a senior +>>corporate staff executive in two Fortune 50 companies. +> +>>I'd be happy to use a crypto system supplied by the NSA for business, if +>>they told me it was more secure than DES, and in particular resistant to +>>attempts by Japanese, French, and other competitive companies and +>>governments to break. +> +>>I'd be happy to do so even with escrowed keys, provided I was happy about +>>the bona fides of the escrow agencies (the Federal Reserve would certainly +>>satisfy me, as would something set up by one of the big 8 accounting firms). + + I don't doubt that this will be the attitude of many corporate leaders. +It's understandable--most corporate execs don't know much about cryptology, +and it's easy to get taken in by someone peddling snake oil. And, the +proposed scheme *is* a major improvement in telephone security to what +exists now. + + The problem is that, with any security scheme of this kind, you have to +concern yourself with the weakest link in the chain. I suspect that NSA +has put a fairly strong encryption algorithm in this wiretap chip of theirs, +probably at least as strong as (say) DES in OFB-mode. Unfortunately, the +existence of the key-registry system seems to make possible all kinds of +possible attacks at a small fraction of the expense of trying to build (say) +a DES keysearch machine. + + As originally described, it sounded like any police / court combination +could acquire the key for a given chip. I hope that's not the case, since +it would imply a glaring hole. (How much does it cost to find *one* crooked +jodge and *one* crooked cop? Especially for a foreign intelligence agency +or organized crime boss?) However, even if more intelligent schemes are used +to allow access to the unencrypted phone conversations, there will be weak- +nesses. They may be very expensive, and very difficult. But who would +trust his/her confidential information to an encryption scheme that, for +(say) $100,000 could by cracked one time in a hundred? (DES, for all the +complaints about a 56-bit key, would probably cost several million dollars +to build a keysearch machine for.) + + How many million dollars would the confidential phone messages of +the GM headquarters be worth to Nissan, Chrysler, or Audi? How about +home phones of major execs and important engineers and designers? +""Gee, Mr Jones, I understand you've had some financial problems lately. +Maybe I can help..."" + +>>I'd trust something from the NSA long before I'd trust something from some +>>Swiss or anybody Japanese. + + Indeed, if NSA really designed the algorithm to be secure, it's very likely +as secure as IDEA or 2-key DES. However, the system as a whole isn't resistant +to ""practical cryptanalysis."" In _The Puzzle Palace_, Bamford describes how +several NSA employees were turned by foreign (presumably KGB) agents, despite +security measures that I doubt any Big 8 accounting firm could match. And +NSA confidential data was *not* subject to being requested by thousands of +police organizations and courts across the land. + + --John Kelsey, c445585@mizzou1.missouri.edu +";16;True +"From: popec@unkaphaed.jpunix.com (William C. Barwell) +Subject: Re: Top Ten Comments Overheard in the Secret Service Lounge +Organization: Unka Phaed's UUCP Thingy, Houston, TX +Lines: 28 + +croaker@highlite.uucp (Francis A. Ney) writes: + +> Besides which, we don't *want* Clinton assasinated, because that would make h +> a martyr a la JFK. +> +> It's a much better deal to have him end his term of office in disgrace, after +> watching all his liberal democrat friends on his staff run this nation down t +> toilet. +> +> Assuming, of course, that the riots a fortnight from now don't do it for him. + + +He'd have to go a far ways to run things down as bad as Reagan and Bush +did. We didn't have riots but Bush got dumped out on his spotty Behind. + + +We'll see in 4 years. + + +Pope Charles Slack in our time! + +?s + + +-- +popec@unkaphaed.jpunix.com (William C. Barwell) +Unka Phaed's UUCP Thingy, Houston, TX, (713) 481-3763 +1200/2400/9600/14400 v.32bis/v.42bis +";18;True +"From: c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos) +Subject: Re: bullet proof luxury sedans +Distribution: usa +Organization: Delco Electronics Corp. +Lines: 51 + +In article <1pnigoINN5in@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> chsu@mtl.mit.edu (Charles H. Hsu) writes: +>I am interested to find out if there is any domestic car manufacturer +>(especially GM and FORD) which produces ""bullet-proof"" luxury sedans. + +I understand Caddy is working on one, double battery, super high perf +engine, more gauges, a bit 'stretched', etc, lots of communication equipment, +the works. Color selection is limited though. + +The problem is that the guy at 1600 Penn. Avenue is about to get it +(Pres. Clinton) (Last time it was a Lincoln, this time a Caddy). + +>I am just wondering if this so-called ""bullet-proof"" (perhaps reinforced +>windows, special materials for the body/engine/etc.) luxury car - Lincoln +>and Cadillac models - is readily available to the public. + +Not to my knowledge; I know GM does conversion work for things like +hot climates (i.e. the Chevy Caprices sold to the Middle East) but +things like that are always done by third parties, NOT the manufacturer. +Maybe you will need to buy a specific package that has beefed-up everything, +perhaps the police cruiser package on the Caprice/Crown Vic and start from +there. + +>Do we have +>to go through any special dealership to obtain these cars? I would really +>like to hear from anyone who has experience with the ""bullet-proof"" cars. + +""And I wuz drivin' along in my armored Seville STS and this punk pulls out +of nowhere with an RPG (Rocket Propelled Grenade) but the bulletproof +windshield stopped him"" :-) Don't think many people on the net have a need +for bulletproof cars. + +Check with local armored service companies/security/bodyguard places. They'd +know best. I think your average luxury car dealer will have a coronary if +you told them ""I'll take the blue Caprice, with options FZ01 (Fuzzy Dice), +PR11 (power everything), and AR007 (Armor). + +>Any information regarding the dealers and after-market shops that have +>""bullet-proof"" Lincoln's and Cadillac's is greatly appreciated. You may +>email me at chsu@mtl.mit.edu or post the message in this newsgroup if +>you believe other netters might be interested as well. BTW, same information +>on Mercedes-Benz, BMW, Lexus, and Infiniti luxury sedans is needed +>as well if you have it. + +I believe an article on the conversion process appeared in the car press within +the last few months. + +Spiros +-- +Spiros Triantafyllopoulos c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com +Software Technology, Delco Electronics (317) 451-0815 +GM Hughes Electronics, Kokomo, IN 46904 [A Different Kind of Disclaimer] +";10;True +"From: lisbon@vpnet.chi.il.us (Gerry Swetsky) +Subject: Program manager ** two questions +Organization: Vpnet Public Access +Lines: 16 + + +(1) Is it possible to change the icons in the program groups? I'd like + to give them some individuality. + +(2) Can you set up a short-cut key to return to the Program Manager? + I know , will do it, but I'd rather set it up so I + can avoid the task list and get back to the P/M with . + +Any and all help is welcomed. + +-- +============================================================================ +| Help stamp out stupid .signature files! Gerry Swetsky WB9EBO | +| vpnet - Public access Unix and Usenet | +| Home (708)833-8122 vpnet (708)833-8126 lisbon@vpnet.chi.il.us | +============================================================================ +";6;True +"From: revco@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (John Boockholdt) +Subject: Re: Lane Sharing in CA +Organization: California State University, Sacramento +Lines: 11 + +In three years of riding in the cities of San Jose, +Santa Clara, and Sunnyvale I never came into any +conflict with the local police over my lane splitting +habits (all three of these cities were listed earlier +as being anti-splitting in one way or another). I +can't say whether this was due to luck, police +kindness, or there not actually being any ordinances +against it in these cities, so I continue..... + +RevCo + +";7;True +"From: MUNIZB%RWTMS2.decnet@rockwell.com (""RWTMS2::MUNIZB"") +Subject: Space Activities in Tucson, AZ ? +X-Added: Forwarded by Space Digest +Organization: [via International Space University] +Original-Sender: isu@VACATION.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU +Distribution: sci +Lines: 7 + +I would like to find out about space engineering employment and educational +opportunities in the Tucson, Arizona area. E-mail responses appreciated. +My mail feed is intermittent, so please try one or all of these addresses. + +Ben Muniz w(818)586-3578 MUNIZB%RWTMS2.decnet@beach.rockwell.com +or: bmuniz@a1tms1.remnet.ab.com MUNIZB%RWTMS2.decnet@consrt.rockwell.com + +";2;True +"From: dao4@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (DONALD A. O'SHALL) +Subject: Re: Original IBM PC specs +Organization: Lehigh University +Lines: 27 + +In article , winfrvk@dutiws.twi.tudelft.nl (R. +v.Kampen) writes: +>In article <1993Apr9.101944.3200@ucbeh.san.uc.edu> hoffmamc@ucbeh.san.uc.edu wr +ites: +>>A hard drive with XT-type controller can be added, but I recommend not trying +a +>>full -height 5 1/4"" hard drive, as I have run into trouble with the 63.5w +>>supply not having the oomph to spool up those big heavy platters. +>> +>one way to get the system going with one floppy drive and one hard +>disk on a 63 watt power supply is to first disconnect the power from +>the floppy drive than turn on the pc, you will notice the hard drive +>having a real difficult time getting up to speed, but it manages. +>when booting is finished, plug in your floppy drive, now it will work. +> +>(ok I know this is not very user friendly, maybe you are better off +>buying a 486-66 with 300 watt power supply or something like that) +> +>willem +> +The newer the drive, the less problem you will have. The old ten and fifteen +meg full heights were power hogs, but I have over twenty units that I set up +running flawlessly with half height drives and/or hard cards. + +-- + + DAo4@NS1.CC.LEHIGH.EDU (Don) +";5;True +"From: kpeterso@nyx.cs.du.edu (Kirk Peterson) +Subject: Hewlett Packard DeskJet 500 inkjet printer for sale... +Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept. +Lines: 43 + + +For Sale ...: + + Hewlett Packard DeskJet 500 inkjet printer. + + o Perfect condition both internally and externally + o Comes with two FULL ink cartridges + o Less than six months old + o Comes with all original packaging, manuals, cables + and software + + This is truly an excellent printer and is the low-cost + alternative to a laser printer. It prints with the + quality of a laser printer, but for a fraction of both + the inital cost and he long term cost (that is, + replacement of ink cartridges as opposed to replacement + of toner). The printer prints at a maximum of 300*300 + (D)ots (P)er (I)nch (D.P.I.) on many different types + and sizes of paper, including envelopes and + transperencies. Printer prints in both landscape and + portrait modes. Printer can accept up to two + cartridges giving it things like more memory or + additional fonts. Printer works excellently with + Windows and DOS and brings TrueType to its full + potential. + + I originally purchased the printer for $375.00. Make me + an offer, but I would prefer to stay in the $300.00 + range. I will pay the shipping to anywhere in the + continental U.S.A. + + If you are interested, please either leave me email or + call Kirk Peterson at (303) 494-7951 anytime. + + Thanks! + + + + P.S. The printer will work with any computer that + can accept a standard parallel or serial + connection. (That is, IBM, Amiga, etc.) + + +";8;True +"From: rvloon@cv.ruu.nl (Ronald van Loon) +Subject: Motif++ mailing list - is there any interest ? +Originator: rvloon@midas.cv.ruu.nl +Nntp-Posting-Host: midas.cv.ruu.nl +Organization: University of Utrecht, 3D Computer Vision Research Group +Lines: 26 + +Hello Motif World, + +a few days ago I posted my announcement for an update of Motif++. I got +several requests to send the bindings per e-mail, and I know of several people +who have been using Motif++, and there are probably a number of people I am +not aware of who are also using Motif++. + +My question is: + +How many people 'out there' would be interested to join a mailing-list, where +people can ask questions about Motif++, swap stories, and give new ideas about +new directions and improvements for the bindings. This would benefit the +user-community, as well as give me more insight in what people would like to +see added to Motif++. Motif++ is still very much a voluntary project, and this +way I can make a list of priorities, in what order things should be added, or +changed. + +If you're interested in joining such a mailing-list, please take the time to +reply to this message, and tell me so. When there is sufficient interest, say +about 20 people or more, a mailing-list will be set up at my site, and I will +post the announcement of the newly-created list to this and other newsgroups. +-- +Ronald van Loon | In theory, there is no difference +(rvloon@cv.ruu.nl) | between theory and practice. +3DCV Group, Utrecht | +The Netherlands | In practice however, there is. +";12;True +"From: jemartin@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Martin) +Subject: Setting up three-user accounting system with WFWG +Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept. +Lines: 30 + +I am a novice (at best) in working with pc networks, and am in the +process of planning a small accounting system for a small business. + +The particular need in this case is for three machines, each in a +different office of the same building, each having access to a +Windows-based accounting system. + +My first thought is to set up MS Windows for Workgroups on each of the +machines (likely a 486 and two 386's) along with the appropriate Ethernet +cards and cabling that come with the Windows for Workgroups starter kit (one +additional user kit will be necessary). It then seems logical to purchase +a simple multi-user accounting system, along the lines of DacEasy or +M.Y.O.B., and fire it all up! The 486 will more or less act as server with +a report/check printer attached to it. +Cable runs of 30-40 feet will be necessary for this setup. + +Well, this all seems too easy to me. Would any of you network gurus out +there tell me if I am out of my mind here? Any and all suggestions, however +trivial, will be immensely appreciated. My apologies if this has been +brought up before. + +Thanks! + +John +-- + John E. Martin jemartin@nyx.cs.du.edu University of Puget Sound '92 + Kent, WA (formerly martin@ups.edu) SeinfeldSuperSonicsRushBelaFleck +-- + John E. Martin jemartin@nyx.cs.du.edu University of Puget Sound '92 + Kent, WA (formerly martin@ups.edu) SeinfeldSuperSonicsBC++RushDWeckl +";6;True +"From: yeoy@a.cs.okstate.edu (YEO YEK CHONG) +Subject: Re: Is ""Kermit"" available for Windows 3.0/3.1? +Organization: Oklahoma State University +Lines: 7 + +From article , by Steve Frampton : +> I was wondering, is the ""Kermit"" package (the actual package, not a + +Yes! In the usual ftp sites. + +Yek CHong + +";6;True +"From: bethd@netcom.com (Beth Dixon) +Subject: Re: Women's Jackets? (was Ed must be a Daemon Child!!) +Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) +Distribution: usa +Lines: 44 + +In article <1993Apr14.141637.20071@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jhensley@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Hensley) writes: +>Beth Dixon (bethd@netcom.com) wrote: +>: new Duc 750SS doesn't, so I'll have to go back to carrying my lipstick +>: in my jacket pocket. Life is _so_ hard. :-) +> +>My wife is looking for a jacket, and most of the men's styles she's tried +>don't fit too well. If they fit the shoulders and arms, they're too +>tight across the chest, or something like that. Anyone have any +>suggestions? I'm assuming that the V-Pilot, in addition to its handy +>storage facilities, is a pretty decent fit. Is there any company that +>makes a reasonable line of women's motorcycling stuff? More importantly, +>does anyone in Boulder or Denver know of a shop that bothers carrying any? + +I was very lucky I found a jacket I liked that actually _fits_. +HG makes the v-pilot jackets, mine is a very similar style made +by Just Leather in San Jose. I bought one of the last two they +ever made. + +Finding decent womens motorcycling gear is not easy. There is a lot +of stuff out there that's fringed everywhere, made of fashion leather, +made to fit men, etc. I don't know of a shop in your area. There +are some women rider friendly places in the San Francisco/San Jose +area, but I don't recommend buying clothing mail order. Too hard +to tell if it'll fit. Bates custom makes leathers. You might want +to call them (they're in L.A.) and get a cost estimate for the type +of jacket your wife is interested in. Large manufacturers like +BMW and H.G. sell women's lines of clothing of decent quality, but +fit is iffy. + +A while ago, Noemi and Lisa Sieverts were talking about starting +a business doing just this sort of thing. Don't know what they +finally decided. + +Beth + +================================================================= +Beth [The One True Beth] Dixon bethd@netcom.com +1981 Yamaha SR250 ""Excitable Girl"" DoD #0384 +1979 Yamaha SR500 ""Spike the Garage Rat"" FSSNOC #1843 +1992 Ducati 750SS AMA #631903 +1963 Ducati 250 Monza -- restoration project 1KQSPT = 1.8 +""I can keep a handle on anything just this side of deranged."" + -- ZZ Top +================================================================= +";7;True +"From: mniederb@pws2.itr.ch (Niederberger Markus) +Subject: Characterization of opamps +Organization: Interkantonales Technikum Rapperswil (ITR) Switzerland +Lines: 23 + +Hi, + +Right now I should do some characterization of opamps. Because I don't +have +special equipment for this task, I have to do this job with relativly +simple +equipments (Frequency sweeper, DSO, etc.). +Does anyone know good test circuitry for characterization of opamps? +Especially for measuring open-loop gain, phase margin, PSSR, CMMR and so +on. +Are there any books or application notes on this subject available? + +Please reply vi e-mail or nn. + +Thanks +Mark + +__________________________________________________________________________ +_____ +Mark Niederberger +E-mail: mniederb@itr.ch +__________________________________________________________________________ +_____ +";11;True +"From: seth@north6.acpub.duke.edu (Seth Wandersman) +Subject: morphing +Reply-To: seth@north6.acpub.duke.edu (Seth Wandersman) +Lines: 6 +Nntp-Posting-Host: north6.acpub.duke.edu + + +Keywords: + +I am looking for some morphing programs for DEC's or pc's. I looked for a program +called dmorph using archie but could not find it. I found a progrmam call +morpho but it only did grayscale images. Does anyone know where I should look? +";1;True +"From: richk@grebyn.com (Richard Krehbiel) +Subject: Re: WP-PCF, Linux, RISC? +In-Reply-To: ghhwang@csie.nctu.edu.tw's message of Sun, 18 Apr 1993 06:28:02 GMT +Lines: 22 +Organization: Grebyn Timesharing, Inc. + +In article ghhwang@csie.nctu.edu.tw (ghhwang) writes: + +> Dear friend, +> The RISC means ""reduced instruction set computer"". The RISC usually has +> small instruction set so as to reduce the circuit complex and can increase +> the clock rate to have a high performance. You can read some books about +> computer architecture for more information about RISC. + +RISC used to mean ""Reduced Instruction Set Computer"", true. They +still use the same acronym, but only to be familiar. What RISC really +means is a recently-designed CPU. :-) + +In general, most RISC CPUs are like this: + + A large number (32 or more) of general-purpose registers + A fixed instruction size, usually 32 bits + An instruction may make only one memory reference + Memory references must be aligned + There are delayed branches (branch after the next instruction) or +a target prediction bit (probably will/won't branch) + Instructions may complete out of order relative to the instruction +stream +-- +Richard Krehbiel richk@grebyn.com +OS/2 2.0 will do for me until AmigaDOS for the 386 comes along... +";6;True +"From: johnr@col.hp.com (John T. Rasper) +Subject: ADCOM GTP500II IR sensor & repeater spec's? +Organization: HP Colorado Springs Division +Lines: 25 +NNTP-Posting-Host: hplsdvf.col.hp.com + +Does anyone know the details of the interface (5 wire din) for the +IR remote sensor & (2 wire IR repeater) for the ADCOM GTP-500II +preamp? The ADCOM part numbers are the XR-500II, SPM-500II, and +IRA-500II. + +A cursory physical examination of the pre-amp connector indicates +that the connector (5 pin din) may provide: (Viewed from connector front) + + | + 5 1 (pin ?) +?v @ ???mA + 4 2 (pin ?) +/-?v @ ???mA + 3 (pin 3) Signal Ground + (pin ?) Demodulated signal ?V-pp, ? polarity, ? mA drive + (pin ?) Signal to drive repeater LED (drives through 150ohm + resistor) ?V-pp + +I assume that the repeater connectors (mini-plugs) drive the IR repeater +LED's directly. True? + +Can anyone fill in the ?'s. Thanks. + +-- +John Rasper Hewlett-Packard COL +johnr@col.hp.com P.O. Box 2197 +(719) 590-5895 Colorado Springs, CO 80901-2197 +";11;True +"From: jfox@hooksett.East.Sun.COM (John Fox - SunExpress IR) +Subject: Re: It's a rush... (was Re: Too fast) +Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. +Lines: 50 +Distribution: world +Reply-To: jfox@hooksett.East.Sun.COM +NNTP-Posting-Host: hooksett.east.sun.com + +In article 5276@unisql.UUCP, wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes: +>In article marshatt@feserve.cc.purdue.edu (Zauberer) writes: +>>I guess I wasn't clear enough here. I said the roads WERE designed for +>>speeds of 80 or so and still be safe. The current 55-65 will add a saftey +>>margin. +> +> They were designed for speeds of upwards of 80 - I forget the +>exact spec - but for military vehicles. That's 80 in a 1958 Dodge +>Powerwagon. Not 80 in a 1993 Ford Taurus. +> +> +> +> + + +Ah yes, the 58 Powerwagon. Now there was a vehicle that today's cars can't +touch in terms of high speed road holding ability! :-) + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +";10;True +"From: bereson@ide.com (Alex Bereson) +Subject: 1972 Montreal Olympics souvenirs +Originator: bereson@lola +Organization: Interactive Development Environments, SF +Distribution: na +Lines: 14 + + +1976 Montreal Olympics philatelic souvenirs: + +1. Color-illustrated booklet in French/English containing all stamps +issued for the Games (mint never hinged) in slipcase, over $6.00 +face value in stamps. $13.00 + $2.00 insured first class mailing + +2. Unusual ""desk pad holder"" with Olympic rings on the cover and the +Montreal stadium inside. All the Canadian Olympic stamps are +displayed on the ""cover"" under heavy plastic. Again, over $6.00 +face value. $11.00 + $2.50 insured first class mailing. + +Order both for $22 including insured delivery + +";8;True +"From: kenyon@xqzmoi.enet.dec.com (Doug Kenyon (Stardog Champion)) +Subject: Re: Integra GSR (really about other cars) +Reply-To: kenyon@xqzmoi.enet.dec.com (Doug Kenyon (Stardog Champion)) +Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation +Lines: 13 + + +It's great that all these other cars can out-handle, out-corner, and out- +accelerate an Integra. + +But, you've got to ask yourself one question: do all these other cars have +a moonroof with a sliding sunshade? No wimpy pop-up sunroofs or power +sliding roofs that are opaque. A moonroof that can be opened to the air, +closed to let just light in, or shaded so that nothing comes in. + +You've just got to know what's important :^). + +-Doug +'93 Integra GS +";10;True +"From: qq43@liverpool.ac.uk (Chris Wooff) +Subject: Tidying up after removing an OLE server +Keywords: OLE, SPSS +Nntp-Posting-Host: chad3-22.liv.ac.uk +Organization: The University of Liverpool +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] +Lines: 16 + +A while ago I installed SPSS for Windows as part of an evaluation. Once +the evaluation was complete I duly deleted the software from my PC. + +Unfortunately there is still a ""ghost"" of SPSS left: when I run +something like ""Write"" and go to embed an object then ""SPSS Chart"" +appears on the list of objects I'm offered. I looked around all +the obvious ""INI"" files without success. The next thing I tried +was looking for the string ""SPSS Chart"" in every file in the +Windows directory. It turned up in a file called REQ.DAT (or +REG.DAT). Unfortunately the file was binary and so I didn't feel +inclined to edit it. + +I'd welcome a solution for removing SPSS from the list of OLE servers. + +Chris Wooff +(C.Wooff@liverpool.ac.uk) +";6;True +"From: abaum@armltd.uucp (Allen Baum) +Subject: Re: 80-bit keyseach machine +Organization: Advanced RISC Machines Ltd +Lines: 13 + +jebright@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (James R Ebright) writes: + +(regarding NSA monitoring of US military code traffic) + +>[BTW, folks, NSA wasn't being given the keys. And the Walker spy case +>shows for some of the systems, the KGB didn't need them either.] + +On the contrary- The Walker spy case is one where the KGB was +given keys (as I recall) +-- + +---------------- +Allen J. Baum Apple Computer baum@apple.com, abaum@armltd.co.uk +";16;True +"From: jre@zeos.com (Jim Erickson) +Subject: Bye +Organization: Zeos International, Ltd +Distribution: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware, biz.zeos.general, biz.zeos.announce +Lines: 17 + + As of today I will no longer be a contact for Zeos International on the net. +This responsibility has been taken over by another tech (davidm@zeos.com) and I +am moving up and on (mo money, mo money :)). I just wanted to thank all of the +netters who have supported and encouraged the participation of Zeos on the net. +I personally feel it is important for companies such as Zeos to provide their +customers with as easy access as possible when they have questions/problems and +being on the net is an big step in the right direction. I hope that other +companies will follow suit (as Weitek and others have done). Again, thanks. + +---JRE--- + +-- +Jim Erickson ZZZZ EEEE OO SSSS ZEOS International, Ltd. +support@zeos.com INET Z E O O S Technical Support Dept. +uunet!zeos!support UUCP Z EE O O SSS 1301 Industrial Blvd. N.E. +Any opinions expressed Z E O O S Minneapolis, MN 55413 +herein are my own! ZZZZ EEEE OO SSSS FAX 612-633-4607 +";5;True +"From: dkl@cs.arizona.edu (David K. Lowenthal) +Subject: Re: Braves & Giants +Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson +Lines: 14 + +In article <13536@news.duke.edu> fls@keynes.econ.duke.edu (Forrest Smith) writes: +> +> Cox should've protested the game the second time the garbage got +>thrown at his outfielders. He should also have protested the game at the +>point where Ron Gant was assessed the second strike in the ninth, on the +>grounds that he (Cox) was on the field and time should have been called. + +Both protests would be denied, of course. The umpire's judgement +determines the garbage thing, although I think the game should be +called (but that's my personal opinion...doesn't matter). There +is time only when the ump says, so the second argument is baseless. + + +--dave +";14;True +"From: jchen@wind.bellcore.com (Jason Chen) +Subject: Re: Open letter to NISSAN (Really Station Wagon) +Nntp-Posting-Host: wind.bellcore.com +Reply-To: jchen@ctt.bellcore.com +Organization: Bell Communications Research +Distribution: na +Lines: 10 + +With the popularity of minivans, the market room for station wagons is +squeezed out. They are not as comfortable as sedan, and don't carry as +much as the minivans. + +This is not to say nobody wants the wagon anymore. But the demand is certainly +hampered by the minivan, and may not be economical to build a product for. + +Jason Chen + +A station wagon owner +";10;True +"From: shepard@netcom.com (Mark Shepard) +Subject: S414 (Brady bill) loopholes? +Keywords: brady handguns s414 hr1025 hr277 instant check waiting period +Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) +Distribution: na +Lines: 40 + +Hi. I've just finished reading S414, and have several questions about +the Brady bills (S414 and HR1025). + +1. _Are_ these the current versions of the Brady bill? + What is the status of these bills? I've heard they're ""in committee"". + How close is that to being made law? + +2. S414 and HR1025 seem fairly similar. Are there any important + differences I missed? + +3. S414 seems to have some serious loopholes: + A. S414 doesn't specify an ""appeals"" process to wrongful denial during + the waiting period, other than a civil lawsuit(?) (S414 has an appeals + process once the required instant background check system is established, + but not before). + B. the police are explicitly NOT liable for mistakes in denying/approving + using existing records (so who would I sue in ""A"" above to have an + inaccurate record corrected?) + C. S414 includes an exception-to-waiting-period clause for if a person + can convince the local Chief Law-Enforcement Officer (CLEO) of an + immediate threat to his or her life, or life of a household member. + But S414 doesn't say exactly what is considered a ""threat"", nor does + it place a limit on how long the CLEO takes to issue an exception + statement. +True? Have I misunderstood? Any other 'holes? + +4. With just S414, what's to stop a person with a ""clean"" record from + buying guns, grinding off the serial numbers, and selling them to crooks? + At minimum, what additional laws are needed to prevent this? + + 'Seems at min. a ""gun counting"" scheme would be needed + (e.g., ""John Doe owns N guns""). So, if S414 passes, I wouldn't be surprised + to see legislation for stricter, harder-to-forge I.D.'s plus national gun + registration, justified by a need to make the Brady bill work. + +Please comment. I'm mainly interested in specific problems with the current +legislation--I don't mean to start a general discussion of the merits +of any/all waiting-period bills ever proposed. + + MarkS || shepard@netcom.com +";3;True +"From: hbloom@moose.uvm.edu (*Heather*) +Subject: re: what are the problems with nutrasweet (aspartame) +Organization: University of Vermont -- Division of EMBA Computer Facility +Lines: 21 + +Nutrasweet is a synthetic sweetener a couple thousand times sweeter than +sugar. Some people are concerned about the chemicals that the body produces +when it degrades nutrasweet. It is thought to form formaldehyde and known to +for methanol in the degredation pathway that the body uses to eliminate +substances. The real issue is whether the levels of methanol and formaldehyde +produced are high enough to cause significant damage, as both are toxic to +living cells. All I can say is that I will not consume it. + +Phenylalanine is +nothing for you to worry about. It is an amino acid, and everyone uses small +quantities of it for protein synthesis in the body. Some people have a disease +known as phenylketoneurea, and they are missing the enzyme necessary to +degrade this compound and eliminate it from the body. For them, it will +accumulate in the body, and in high levels this is toxic to growing nerve +cells. Therefore, it is Only a major problem in young children (until around +age 10 or so) or women who are pregnant and have this disorder. It used to +be a leading cause of brain damage in infants, but now it can be easily +detected at birth, and then one must simply avoid comsumption of phenylalanine +as a child, or when pregnant. + +-heather +";4;True +"From: narlochn@kirk.msoe.edu +Subject: last +Distribution: usa +Organization: Milwaukee School Of Engineering, Milwaukee, WI USA +Lines: 20 + +I have two questions: + +1) I have been having troubles with my Wordperfect for Windows. + When I try to select and change fonts, etc. some of the text + disappears. I tried to center two lines once, and the second + line disappeared. I can not find the error, and I do not + know how to correct it. + +2) Is this the right newsgroup? Where should I go? + +E-mail prefered... + + _____ +Who else is still waiting for ""Naked Gun Part (Pi) | | "" + +''/''/''/''/''/''/''/''/''/''/''/''/''/''/''/''/''/''/''/''/''/''/ +'/''/'Nathan'Narloch''/''/''/'""Alumn122@whscdp.whs.edu""/''/''/''/' +/''/'(Enforcer'Burp)'/''/''/''or'/'""NARLOCHN@KIRK.MSOE.EDU""'/''/'' +''/''/Milw,/WI/53207/''/'""Join'the'Official'Psycho/Team...""/''/''/ +'/''/''/''/''/''/''/''/''/''/''/''/''/''/''/''/''/''/''/''/''/''/' +";6;True +"From: yohan@citation.ksu.ksu.edu (Jonathan W Newton) +Subject: Re: Societally acceptable behavior +Organization: Kansas State University +Lines: 35 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: citation.ksu.ksu.edu + + +In article , cobb@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Mike Cobb) writes: +>Merely a question for the basis of morality +> +>Moral/Ethical behavior = _Societally_ _acceptable_ _behavior_. + +I disagree with these. What society thinks should be irrelevant. What the +individual decides is all that is important. + +> +>1)Who is society + +I think this is fairly obvious + +> +>2)How do ""they"" define what is acceptable? + +Generally by what they ""feel"" is right, which is the most idiotic policy I can +think of. + +> +>3)How do we keep from a ""whatever is legal is what is ""moral"" ""position? + +By thinking for ourselves. + +> +>MAC +>-- +>**************************************************************** +> Michael A. Cobb +> ""...and I won't raise taxes on the middle University of Illinois +> class to pay for my programs."" Champaign-Urbana +> -Bill Clinton 3rd Debate cobb@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu +> +>With new taxes and spending cuts we'll still have 310 billion dollar deficits. +";9;True +"From: thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) +Subject: Re: Gritz/JBS/Liberty Lobby/LaRouche/Christic Insitute/Libertarian/... +Reply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu +Organization: University of Chicago +Lines: 27 + +In article rubinoff+@cs.cmu.edu (Robert Rubinoff) writes: +>In article <93105.230230U23590@uicvm.uic.edu> writes: +>>Note that Bo Gritz was on the Populist party ticket with David +>>Duke (for veep) in 1988 until he found out that Duke was leading +>>he ticket, when he withdrew his candidacy. + +That's a revisionist account of what happened. Gritz was well-aware +of Duke's presence on the ticket. Given that Gritz is not at all shy +about associating and promoting other white supremacists (such as the +Christian Identity movement or Willis Carto), whatever reasons Gritz +had to leave the ticket had nothing to do with Duke's presence. + +>>So Gritz gave up his +>>chance to be Vice President of the US just to aviod supporting +>>Duke. +> +>I'd hardly call that ""giving up his chance to be Vice President of the US""; +>the chance of the Populist Party ticket winning is essentially nil. Still, +>it does imply that he doesn't want to be associated with Duke. + +I believe Chip Berlet has a Populist Party newsletter from the time with +a photo of Gritz happily shaking hands with Duke. +-- +ted frank | +thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu | I'm sorry, the card says ""Moops."" +the u of c law school | +standard disclaimers | +";3;True +"From: elee969@rosie.uh.edu (Brown, William J.) +Subject: Re: Questions about Windows NT. Help! +Keywords: Windows NT, unix, sun sparc +Organization: University of Houston +Lines: 42 +NNTP-Posting-Host: rosie.uh.edu +News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 + +In article <1993Apr19.154349.10382@cfmu.eurocontrol.be>, rajiev@cfmu.eurocontrol.be (Rajiev Gupta) writes... +>In article shan@ms.uky.edu (Minghua SHAN) writes: +>> + ...stuff deleted +>> +>>1. Does Windows NT run on Sun Sparc Server 490? +>>2. If the answer to question 1 is yes, does it run unix applications +>> (such as SAS for unix). +>>3. Is Windows NT a multiuser OS? +>>4. When will Windows NT be released? +>>5. Is there any telephone number that I can call and get more +>> info on Win NT? +>> +>>Thank you. +>> +>>Minghua Shan +> +>As far as I have read WIN NT will be supported on Intel, DEC ALPHA and the MIPS R4000 +>series of processors only. I do remember though reading a rumour about Sparc support +>sometime in the future. I am not sure what you mean by running ""unix applications"". +>You would have to have SAS for WIN NT (or maybe SAS for WIN16 etc). I have read +>that MS will anounce avalaibility of WIN NT by end of May 93 (Comdex Spring). Hope +>this helps. +> +>Rajiev Gupta +> +>-- +>Rajiev GUPTA Eurocontrol - CFMU Disclaimer: +>rajiev@cfmu.eurocontrol.be Rue de la Loi 72 These are *my* views, +>Tel: +32 2 729 33 12 B-1040 BRUXELLES not my companies. +>Fax: +32 2 729 32 16 Belgium + + +According to the April issue of PC Magazine (pg. 139), and I quote, + +""Eventually, Windows NT is likely to be ported to every successful RISC +architecture. PowerPC and HP's PA-RISC are the two most likely candidates, +with SPARC somewhat less likely because of Sun's relatively strong UNIX +software base."" + +later +bill +";6;True +"From: prb@access.digex.com (Pat) +Subject: Re: Sunrise/ sunset times +Organization: Express Access Online Communications USA +Lines: 18 +NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net + +In article <1r6f3a$2ai@news.umbc.edu> rouben@math9.math.umbc.edu (Rouben Rostamian) writes: +>how the length of the daylight varies with the time of the year. +>Experiment with various choices of latitudes and tilt angles. +>Compare the behavior of the function at locations above and below +>the arctic circle. + + + +If you want to have some fun. + +Plug the basic formulas into Lotus. + +Use the spreadsheet auto re-calc, and graphing functions +to produce bar graphs based on latitude, tilt and hours of day light avg. + + +pat + +";2;True +"From: croaker@highlite.uucp (Francis A. Ney) +Subject: Re: CNN for sale +Organization: Gotham Communications Research +Distribution: usa +Lines: 10 + + +I will add my voice to the (hopefully) growing multitudes. + +I hereby pledge $1000.00 towards the purchase of CNN, under the same conditions +as already described. I will also post this idea on the other nets I can +access (RIME and Libernet). + +We may have to organize this ourselves, so I am looking for help. + +Frank Ney N4ZHG EMT-A LPVa NRA ILA GOA CCRTKBA 'M-O-U-S-E' +";3;True +"From: dsc3jfs@imc10 (John F Skoda) +Subject: How do I change the Text cursor in xterm +Organization: {not speaking for the } National Naval Medical Center +Lines: 20 +Nntp-Posting-Host: imc10.med.navy.mil +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] + + + I have just finished building X11R5 on a 386 running Interactive Unix (SysVR3) +and I am having a problem with xterm. On any font larger that 5x7 it messes up +characters that are types, the cursor seems to be ""too"" large, or splits into +a 1/2 reverse video, 1/2 outline block (which changes when the pointer is moved +into the window). I am trying to use monospaced fonts (not -p- fonts). Is +there any way of changing the appearence of the block cursor is an Xterm? + + Thanks + + +-- +------------------------------------------------------------------------------ +-- John F Skoda | Windows NT, OS/2 for the 90's. +-- electronic learning facilitators, inc. | C++, Cobol for the 21st century. +-- Bethesda, MD | Use Ada, Unix, and other socially +-- dsc3jfs@imc10.med.navy.mil | unacceptable systems. +-- dsc3jfs@imc30.med.navy.mil | (and before you flame, I'm an +-------------------------------------------| Expos fan... ...need I say more?) +with DISCLAIMER_PACKAGE; +";12;True +"From: Center for Policy Research +Subject: Final Solution for Gaza ? +Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1483500354:000:5791 +Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!cpr Apr 23 15:10:00 1993 +Lines: 126 + + +From: Center for Policy Research +Subject: Final Solution for Gaza ? + + +Final Solution for the Gaza ghetto ? +------------------------------------ + +While Israeli Jews fete the uprising of the Warsaw ghetto, they +repress by violent means the uprising of the Gaza ghetto and +attempt to starve the Gazans. + +The Gaza strip, this tiny area of land with the highest population +density in the world, has been cut off from the world for weeks. +The Israeli occupier has decided to punish the whole population of +Gaza, some 700.000 people, by denying them the right to leave the +strip and seek work in Israel. + +While Polish non-Jews risked their lives to save Jews from the +Ghetto, no Israeli Jew is known to have risked his life to help +the Gazan resistance. The only help given to Gazans by Israeli +Jews, only dozens of people, is humanitarian assistance. + +The right of the Gazan population to resist occupation is +recognized in international law and by any person with a sense of +justice. A population denied basic human rights is entitled to +rise up against its tormentors. + +As is known, the Israeli regime is considering Gazans unworthy of +Israeli citizenship and equal rights in Israel, although they are +considered worthy to do the dirty work in Israeli hotels, shops +and fields. Many Gazans are born in towns and villages located in +Israel. They may not live there, for these areas are reserved for +the Master Race. + +The Nazi regime accorded to the residents of the Warsaw ghetto the +right to self- administration. They selected Jews to pacify the +occupied population and preventing any form of resistance. Some +Jewish collaborators were killed. Israel also wishes to rule over +Gaza through Arab collaborators. + +As Israel denies Gazans the only two options which are compatible +with basic human rights and international law, that of becoming +Israeli citizens with full rights or respecting their right for +self-determination, it must be concluded that the Israeli Jewish +society does not consider Gazans full human beings. This attitude +is consistent with the attitude of the Nazis towards Jews. The +current policies by the Israeli government of cutting off Gaza are +consistent with the wish publicly expressed by Prime Mininister +Yitzhak Rabin that 'Gaza sink into the sea'. One is led to ask +oneself whether Israeli leaders entertain still more sinister +goals towards the Gazans ? Whether they have some Final Solution +up their sleeve ? + +I urge all those who have slight human compassion to do whatever +they can to help the Gazans regain their full human, civil and +political rights, to which they are entitled as human beings. + +Elias Davidsson Iceland + +From elias@ismennt.is Fri Apr 23 02:30:21 1993 Received: from +isgate.is by igc.apc.org (4.1/Revision: 1.77 ) + id AA00761; Fri, 23 Apr 93 02:30:13 PDT Received: from +rvik.ismennt.is by isgate.is (5.65c8/ISnet/14-10-91); Fri, 23 Apr +1993 09:29:41 GMT Received: by rvik.ismennt.is +(16.8/ISnet/11-02-92); Fri, 23 Apr 93 09:30:23 GMT From: +elias@ismennt.is (Elias Davidsson) Message-Id: +<9304230930.AA11852@rvik.ismennt.is> Subject: no subject (file +transmission) To: cpr@igc.org Date: Fri, 23 Apr 93 9:30:22 GMT +X-Charset: ASCII X-Char-Esc: 29 Status: RO + +Final Solution for the Gaza ghetto ? +------------------------------------ + +While Israeli Jews fete the uprising of the Warsaw ghetto, they +repress by violent means the uprising of the Gaza ghetto and +attempt to starve the Gazans. + +The Gaza strip, this tiny area of land with the highest population +density in the world, has been cut off from the world for weeks. +The Israeli occupier has decided to punish the whole population of +Gaza, some 700.000 people, by denying them the right to leave the +strip and seek work in Israel. + +While Polish non-Jews risked their lives to save Jews from the +Ghetto, no Israeli Jew is known to have risked his life to help +the Gazan resistance. The only help given to Gazans by Israeli +Jews, only dozens of people, is humanitarian assistance. + +The right of the Gazan population to resist occupation is +recognized in international law and by any person with a sense of +justice. A population denied basic human rights is entitled to +rise up against its tormentors. + +As is known, the Israeli regime is considering Gazans unworthy of +Israeli citizenship and equal rights in Israel, although they are +considered worthy to do the dirty work in Israeli hotels, shops +and fields. Many Gazans are born in towns and villages located in +Israel. They may not live there, for these areas are reserved for +the Master Race. + +The Nazi regime accorded to the residents of the Warsaw ghetto the +right to self- administration. They selected Jews to pacify the +occupied population and preventing any form of resistance. Some +Jewish collaborators were killed. Israel also wishes to rule over +Gaza through Arab collaborators. + +As Israel denies Gazans the only two options which are compatible +with basic human rights and international law, that of becoming +Israeli citizens with full rights or respecting their right for +self-determination, it must be concluded that the Israeli Jewish +society does not consider Gazans full human beings. This attitude +is consistent with the attitude of the Nazis towards Jews. The +current policies by the Israeli government of cutting off Gaza are +consistent with the wish publicly expressed by Prime Mininister +Yitzhak Rabin that 'Gaza sink into the sea'. One is led to ask +oneself whether Israeli leaders entertain still more sinister +goals towards the Gazans ? Whether they have some Final Solution +up their sleeve ? + +I urge all those who have slight human compassion to do whatever +they can to help the Gazans regain their full human, civil and +political rights, to which they are entitled as human beings. + +Elias Davidsson Iceland + +";15;True +"From: pdavies@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Paul Davies) +Subject: Help!! Video problems. +Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department +Lines: 13 + +I am using a 8507 IBM monitor (19"" greysale) with a Trident (1MB) card. + +The screen looks great (Windows) at 640x480 but total shit at 1024x768. +There are lots of lines and the image is sorta blurry. + +Is there anything I can do. Do you think it is the monitor? I know +that it is Interlaced at that res but still. + +thanks for the help + +Paul Davies +pdavies@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca + +";5;True +"From: karplus@cse.ucsc.edu (Kevin Karplus) +Subject: Re: decoupling caps - onboard +Organization: University of California, Santa Cruz +Lines: 38 +Reply-To: karplus@ce.ucsc.edu (Kevin Karplus) +NNTP-Posting-Host: ararat.ucsc.edu + + +I've used on-chip capacitors to reduce ground-bounce noise on a small +systolic array chip that had 50pF loads on the clock lines. +(Design was in 2-micron n-well cmos, using the MOSIS scalable design rules.) +Here are some thoughts on the bypass capacitors: + +1) They don't help much with simultaneous output switching--there is + still a large inductance between the bypass capacitor and the + load capacitor (on both the signal line and the ground + return), so you still get ground and power line bounce. + +2) They do help a lot with on-chip loads, as I had with the high load + on the clock lines. + +3) The transients you are trying to suppress are really high + frequency, so forget about large areas of poly-thin-oxide-diff + capacitors, since the RC time constant is too large. + What I did is to make a metal2, metal, poly, diff sandwich, + but put a lot of holes in the poly layer, allowing frequent + diff-metal1 contacts. I forget exactly how wide the poly + lines were. If I were doing this design again, I'd probably + omit the diff altogether, and use a solid poly sheet instead, + using just m2, m1, and poly (and substrate, but that has such a high + resistance it can be ignored at these speeds). + +4) You are probably better off trying to tune your circuit to run with + slightly slower edges and lower voltage swings (especially for + output signalling), than spending chip area on capacitors. + I had spare space on the die since the circuit was too big for + a MOSIS tiny chip, and the next size up was twice as big as I + needed. + +Kevin Karplus +-- +Kevin Karplus karplus@ce.ucsc.edu + +Due to budgetary constraints the light at the end of the tunnel is +being turned off. +";11;True +"From: ragraca@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Randy A. Graca) +Subject: Re: Wings will win +Organization: Oakland University, Rochester, Michigan, U.S.A. +Lines: 47 +NNTP-Posting-Host: vela.acs.oakland.edu + +gballent@hudson.UVic.CA (Greg Ballentine) writes: + +>All of this is fine. I never said that Murray was a bad GM. I merely said +>that he isn't the best GM in hockey- or even a contender for that honor. +>If Murray is as great as you claim- the Wings would have won the Stanley Cup +>by now- probably more than once. If he was as great a GM as you claim + +I think you missed one of my points there. It takes *more* than a great +GM to win a stanley cup, even once. Some of the guys on the list you +gave earlier never won one. I agree that you and I could probably argue +back and forth for days to no avail about who is the best GM in hockey- +that is a matter of opinion, and who is to say my opinion is any better +than yours or yours than mine? But the point of my *original* original +post (if not well stated) was that Murray has the GM abilities but not +the coaching abilities. Which leads to below: + +>and he was as poor a coach as you claim- he would have been intelligent +>enough to hire the coach to push the team to the next level of success. + +I think at this point there's a personal, emotional element involved here +which transcends Murray's logical thought. As outsiders, it's fine for +us to say, ""He should hire a different coach."" In fact, he has talked about +doing so in the past. But, the press (here in Detroit, at least) has so +built up this business about Murray never getting past the second round of +the playoffs as a coach, that I think he has taken it upon himself to +prove to the world that he *is* capable of coaching a team past the second +round. He needs to, as the papers say, ""get that monkey off his back."" +So it becomes a matter not of intelligence, but of pride. Is it foolish +to let pride stand in the way of sound logic? Perhaps, but we're all +a little that way from time to time. I think eventually he'll step down +from behind the bench and concentrate on his GM duties, and the team will +improve as a result. + +I think his coaching duties take away time he might have otherwise spent +on GM work. In that sense, once he steps down as coach, we'll see how +good of a GM he really is. + +>But Murray is an average (unspectacular) NHL coach and a pretty good GM +>so none of this is true anyway. + +I may not agree with everything you've said, but it's been fun discussing +it with you. + +>Gregmeister + +--Randy + +";13;True +"From: callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison) +Subject: Re: Too fast +Nntp-Posting-Host: uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu +Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA +Lines: 66 + +In article <1qqv7k$e5g@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) writes: +>In a previous article, callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison) says: +>>In article <1qn4ev$3g2@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) writes: +>>>In a previous article, wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) says: +>>> +>>>> That shows how much you know about anything. The brakes on the +>>>>SHO are very different - 9 inch (or 9.5? I forget) discs all around, +>>>>vented in front. The normal Taurus setup is (smaller) discs front, +>>>>drums rear. +>>> +>>>one i saw had vented rears too...it was on a lot. +>>>of course, the sales man was a fool...""titanium wheels""..yeah, right.. +>>>then later told me they were ""magnesium""..more believable, but still +>>>crap, since Al is so m uch cheaper, and just as good.... +>>> +>>>i tend to agree, tho that this still doesn't take the SHO up to ""standard"" +>>>for running 130 on a regular basis. The brakes should be bigger, like +>>>11"" or so...take a look at the ones on the Corrados.(where they have +>>>braking regulations). +>> +>>Well, let's see...my T-Bird SC has a computer-controlled adjustable +>>suspension, 4-wheel ABS disks (11"" vented front, 10"" (?) rear), 3-point + ^^^^ + Rears also vented + +>>belts, sturdy passenger compartment, aerodynamics good enough for +>>NASCAR without too much change, 210 hp/310 ft-lb supercharged 3.8l V6, +>>4-wheel independent suspension (plus limited-slip differential), with +>>a top speed in excess of 130mph, and rides on V-rated tires (I have yet +>>to find 225/60-R16s in any other speed rating). +>> +>>Is that ""up to standard""? If not, why not? +> +>james, i really hate to do this, but try reading the damn posts! + +Then you shouldn't've done it. Try answering the damn question. +I am well aware of the fact that there was no mention of the SC +in there. + +>never was a t'bird mentioned. The discussion was about SHO's and +>'stangs not being up to spec. I do not know about t'birds. I +>only know that the specs quoted for the SHO by previous poster sounded +>a little anemic for me to say that it was up to snuff. This does not +>kn any way disencourage* me from wishing to own one, nor does it make it +>a bad car. It merely means that i think Ford could have added that extra +>bit of safety and tossed in larger brakes, as the wheels are plenty large +>enough for them to fit (if memory serves right, which it may very well not) +>and the motor plenty powerful enough to need it. + +Well, my point was that the SC and the SHO both have very similar +characteristics (front and rear disks (ABS on the SHO?), high output +V6, 4-wheel independent suspension, very good aerodynamics, 3-point +harness, fat rubber, and 130mph+ top speed). If one of them is +up to standard (and I think the SC is), but the other isn't, then +why is that? No flamage, just curiousity. + + + James + +James P. Callison Microcomputer Coordinator, U of Oklahoma Law Center +Callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu /\ Callison@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu +DISCLAIMER: I'm not an engineer, but I play one at work... + The forecast calls for Thunder...'89 T-Bird SC + ""It's a hell of a thing, killing a man. You take away all he has + and all he's ever gonna have."" + --Will Munny, ""Unforgiven"" +";10;True +"From: michael@jester.GUN.de (Michael Gerhards) +Distribution: world +Subject: Re: Modems and UARTs +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] +Organization: private COHERENT system +Lines: 33 + +RYAN JEFFREY BAUCOM (rjbaucom@eos.ncsu.edu) wrote: +> 1) What is a 16550 UART? + +I don't know the exact meaning of UART, but I think it is something like +Universal Arithmetic Receiver Transmitter. Normally, the older boards have +a 8250 or 16450 UART on board. Those chips generate an IRQ for every char +they received. The 16550 UART has an internal 16 byte buffer, so - with the +right software installed - it generates an IRQ every 16 chars. + +> 2) What does it do for high-speed modems? +> 3) Is it necessary for 14.4k or higher throughput? + +If you ran dos, you don't need a 16550, because dos runs only ONE task at a +time and the whole cpu-power could be used for the transfer. But if you are +running a multitasking OS such as OS/2, Unix, etc. ( windows ? :-) ), the +cpu cannot work the whole time with one task. + +The result are lost characters or broken transmissions because of timeouts. + +> 4) Is it only for internal modems? + +NO. The only diffrence is that internal modems have the UART on board, +whereas external modems are connected to the computer over a serial port +which has the UART on board. + +> If you have any experience with 9600 or higher speed modems, please +> let me know what you think. Also, any particular brand name reccomended, +> or will a cheapo clone do just a well? + +I use a Zyxel1496B with a 16550UART under COHERENT 4.0. I'm very satisfied +with it but I think that nearly everyone is satisfied with his own modem. + +Michael +-- +* michael@jester.gun.de * Michael Gerhards * Preussenstrasse 59 * + * Germany 4040 Neuss * Voice: 49 2131 82238 * +";5;True +"From: viola@asterix.uni-muenster.de (J”rg Viola) +Subject: Looking for Xt and Xaw +Organization: Westfaelischen Wilhelms-Universitaet, Muenster, Germany +Lines: 8 +NNTP-Posting-Host: asterix.uni-muenster.de + +I want to compile Xdvi and later perhaps Emacs 19 on a DEC Ultrix machine with +X installed. Unfortunately, Xt and Xaw libs and headers are missing. How can I +get them without having to compile the whole MIT distribution ? + +Pleasy reply by email to: viola@yukawa.uni-muenster.de + +Thanks in advance. + +";12;True +"From: narain@ih-nxt09.cso.uiuc.edu (Nizam Arain) +Subject: Floptical Question +Article-I.D.: news.C519MM.M2L +Reply-To: narain@uiuc.edu +Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana +Lines: 17 + +Hi. I am looking into buying a Floptical Drive, and was wondering what +experience people have with the drives from Iomega, PLI, MASS MicroSystems, +or Procom. These seem to be the main drives on the market. Any advice? + +Also, I heard about some article in MacWorld (Sep '92, I think) about +Flopticals. Could someone post a summary, if they have it? + +Thanks in advance. (Reply by post or email, whichever you prefer.) + +--Nizam + +-- + + / * \ Nizam Arain \ What makes the universe +|| || (217) 384-4671 / so hard to comprehend +| \___/ | Internet: narain@uiuc.edu \ is that there is nothing + \_____/ NeXTmail: narain@sumter.cso.uiuc.edu / to compare it with. +";0;True +"From: kde@boi.hp.com (Keith Emmen) +Subject: Re: CNN for sale +Distribution: usa +Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho +X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1scd1 PL4 +Lines: 5 + +If anyone is keeping a list of the potential contributors, +you can put me down for $1000.00 under the conditions above + +Keith Emmen +kde@boi.hp.com +";3;True +"From: jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) +Subject: Re: Is car saftey important? +Organization: CenterLine Software, Inc. +Lines: 32 +NNTP-Posting-Host: 140.239.3.202 + +jnielsen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John F Nielsen) writes: + +>In article <1r1jr9$m1v@armory.centerline.com> jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) writes: +>>tcorkum@bnr.ca (Trevor Corkum) writes: +>>I figure that 30mph collisions into brick walls aren't common enough +>>for me to spend that much extra money for protection, but there are +>>lots of low-speed collisions that do worry me. + +>Get into an 30+ mph accident and you may reconsider. I've been in one +>and it is *really* scarey. My life is something I value more +>than a car's looks or handeling. Consider it insurance, it may not +>happen often but when it does, you'll sure be glad you got a safe car. + +>Granted the tests aren't perfect but I'd much rather be in a car that +>did well in the test than a car that did horribly. + +You raise a valid point, but again it's a tradeoff -- how much money +do you want to spend for that kind of protection? You could buy a +Volvo, Saab, or 'Benz and get really good crash protection (and other +luxuries) but you'll pay significantly more for it. In my case it's +out of the question because *all* of those cars are beyond my budget. + +Even in high-speed head-on collisions the most beneficial item you can +have is a good old 3-point seatbelt. Nowadays, at least in the US, +you get an airbag if you get a 3-point belt so (presumably) you get an +added safety benefit there as well. That's something I certainly look +for and which can be had in inexpensive cars. + +My $.02, of course. + +jim frost +jimf@centerline.com +";10;True +"From: mss@netcom.com (Mark Singer) +Subject: Re: Young Catchers +Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) +Lines: 143 + +In article <7862@blue.cis.pitt.edu> genetic+@pitt.edu (David M. Tate) writes: +>mss@netcom.com (Mark Singer) said: +> +>>I meant that one should not let the exception make the rule. +> +>It's not an exception. Good players come up young; most players who come +>up young will be good. This has always been the rule. + + +Are most players who come up young always good when they're young, or +later? + +>Worse: it's not a ""shift"". This is the way it has *always* been. Several +>detailed studies of this have been done, and they've all shown that players +>aren't coming up any younger or older than in the past, and they aren't +>playing any more or less in the minors than they used to. The only thing +>that shifts is our memories of the ""good old days"" :-). + +Damn. I was afraid you would say that! + +> +>But all after the fact, which makes it *not* applicable to the current +>discussion, which is about how you decide whether to play the rookie who +>hasn't ""established himself"" in the majors over the mediocre veteran. The +>Padres played Santiago that year because they clearly had nobody else worth +>playing. + +Well, perhaps if the Braves had no one else worth playing this year it +would be Lopez in there. But they do have others worth playing, at +least in *their* opinion. And I happen to agree. + +> +>>>>Both of these young men were highly touted defensive catchers, +>>>>expected to be among the best ever in baseball. +> +>Not by rec.sport.baseball consensus. That may sound like an incredibly +>arrogant comment, but I've found that the SDCN consensus (when one exists) +>is right far more often than the media consensus or the opinions of ""baseball +>people"" affiliated with MLB. + +I can believe that. I'm a newbie here, so I'll take your word. But +Alomar *is* a fine defensive catcher, which was my statement above. +That is a solid reason for bringing him up at a tender age, as long +as they feel he can also hit a bit. Lopez does not have such a +consensus about his defensive prowess, and imho that is enough to +give him that dreaded ""seasoning"". + +> +>>I don't know ""who knows"". I suppose the same people (or similar) who +>>""know"" he will be better than some other catcher. These are, of +>>course, just differing opinions. I read that his arm is not that +>>strong (I suppose somewhere there is some measurement of SB ratios) +>>and that he is still learning to call a game. That latter skill may +>>be difficult to project on someone without an intimate knowledge of +>>his performance, but it is a tangible skill. +> +>I disagree, in that I don't think it *is* a _tangible_ skill, any more than +>leadership is. I don't deny that it is a *real* skill, and that some catchers +>may be much better than others at it, but I really don't see any way that we +>could ever know who they are. Nichols's Law of Catcher Defense is eerily +>accurate far too often for me to take defensive assessments of catchers very +>seriously. + +Sorry. New. Don't know Nichols' Law. Don't believe in catchers' +era. But I am interested in pitchers' eras with different catchers. +Any info on that? + +> +> +>Absolutely. The evidence is piling up, year after year. The only other +>alternative is that the Braves really don't *know* that their young players +>are, on average, better than their current starters. I'm not ruling out that +>kind of gross incompetence, but I think the salary-schedule explanation is +>more charitable. + +In other words, we know more than they do, so the only logic behind +a different decision than we would make must be financial. I presume +we feel this way about other franchises than Atlanta, no? + +> +>Consider: we *know* that the Braves are about the strongest team in baseball +>right now, even with Olson and Lemke and Nixon and Bream in the lineup. They +>have as good a chance of repeating as champs this year as any team ever has. +>It actually makes some sense to say ""rather than making our team marginally +>better this year by bringing up the young studs and dumping the elderly, let's +>go ahead and compete this year with what we have, and then bring up the studs +>only as we *have* to, so that we'll still have them under reserve three years +>from now and beyond when the current team will be collecting pensions."" +> +>Is it fair to the young players? No. Does it make organizational sense? +>I think it does. + +Well if it does make organizational sense, one can hardly fault them +for their decisions. I mean, please don't tell me how to run my +business. Especially when I'm being successful. + +> +> C: I could make it 107 or 108 wins if you let me bring up Lopez. +> +>>S: Listen, Bobby. I'd like to. But the way I see it, if he hits +>> the big club this year we'll be paying mega-arbitration bucks +>> down the road in a couple of years and there's no way I want +>> to do that. +> +>...and continues with +> +> We can win without him, and then _keep_ winning next year with him. +> How's that? + +I'm sure you could be right. You could also be smoking some illegal +substance. + +(Hey. That's a joke. Don't get offended. Please.) + +> +>Hey, I'd love to be wrong about this. If you think it's unlikely, I'd love +>to know why. Don't cite anybody's innate ethical rectitude, though, unless +>you know them personally. +> +> +Well, I can't cite anyone's ethical rectitude because I don't know +what it means. :) + +But again, if it makes organizational sense, then so be it. Baseball +is a business, and if there is a solid business reason for keeping +Lopez on the farm then that's what the Braves *should* do. + +I happen to believe that it's a baseball decision. While you from +your armchair may disagee, I don't. I think there is a lot of +evidence to suggest the decision they made. I predicted it among +large guffaws from several at the start of spring training. I +think it is a very *normal* decision to have made. It is certainly +more reversible than to have started Lopez in the bigs and have +released one of their catchers. Sure, it may be conservative. It +may also be logical. I don't know what ethics have to do with it. +Seems like pretty good common sense to me. + +-- The Beastmaster + + +-- +Mark Singer +mss@netcom.com +";14;True +"From: dejesus@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Cavalier) +Subject: Help needed +Organization: University of Pennsylvania +Lines: 128 +Nntp-Posting-Host: eniac.seas.upenn.edu + +Hello. I hope somebody out here can help me. I am currently working +on a project where I am trying to communicate from an IBM 386 with +Phoenix BIOS, using C++, to a board that I made with an Intel 8085 CPU +with UART chip. The board works fine with the TRANSMIT command and +Terminal Emulation mode of Kermit, but there seems to be something wrong +with the initialization or protocol used when I try C++. I need to +access the unit I built using C, because I have a sizable chunk of C +code that I will be using to perform calculations and operations that +will be very difficult to code in assembly language for the 8085. + +I have included the assembly code that I am running and the C++ code +that I am trying to use. If anyone can show me something that I +am doing blatantly incorrectly or that I am missing because of my lack +of knowledge about RS-232 serial communications, please e-mail me. +I wrote the assembly language to wait for a character to be received and +then to check it against the 0x20 character, if a 0x20 is received, +the LEDs will indicate this. Two C++ programs that I have written do +nothing, but set up COM port 2 and send the 0x20 character. One uses +the bioscom() function in bios.h the other uses the software interrupt +int86() function in dos.h. I have triple checked the baud rate ( 2400 ) +the parity ( none ) the stop bits ( 1 ) the character length ( 8 bits ) +and the interrupt calls for ( 0x14 ). Currently, I am at a loss as +to what may be wrong. Any hardware gurus out there want to comment? + + + Thanks alot, + Hubert De Jesus + dejesus@eniac.seas.upenn.edu + + + INTEL ASM + +COMMAND EQU 3000H ;Command Register on 8155 +PORTA EQU 3001H ;Port A on 8155 +TIMERLO EQU 3004H ;High 8 bits of 8155 Timer +TIMERHI EQU 3005H ;Low 8 bits of 8155 Timer +UARTDATA EQU E000H ;UART Data Register +UARTCMD EQU E001H ;UART Command Register + + ORG 4000H ;SRAM location + MVI A,08H ;Set Low Timer Bits + STA TIMERLO + MVI A,40H ;Set High Timer Bits + STA TIMERHI + MVI A,11111101B ;Start Timer & Enable Port A + STA COMMAND + + MVI A,11H ;Display 11 on 7-segment LEDs + STA PORTA + + MVI A,00H ;Clear UART Command + STA UARTCMD + STA UARTCMD + STA UARTCMD + MVI A,01000000B ;Internally reset UART + STA UARTCMD + LDA UARTDATA ;Remove extraneous data + MVI A,01001111B ;Init UART for 8 data bits, + STA UARTCMD ; no parity, 1 stop bit, 64x async + MVI A,00100111B ;Enable Transmit and Receive + STA UARTCMD + +INIT: LDA UARTCMD ;Read Status Register + ANI 02H ;Is RxRDY? + JZ INIT ;No, loop + + LDA UARTDATA ;Read Data Character + CPI ' ' ;Is Character = 0x20? + JNZ INIT ;No, loop + + MVI A,22H ;Character received, + STA PORTA ; Display 22 on 7-segment LEDs + HLT + END + + C++ using BIOSCOM() + +#include +#include +#include + +#define INIT 0 +#define SEND 1 +#define RECEIVE 2 +#define STATUS 3 + +#define COM2 1 + +void +main() +{ + char abyte; + + abyte = 0xa3; + bioscom( INIT, abyte, COM2 ); + printf( ""Initialized COMM PORT 2\n"" ); + + while( !( bioscom( STATUS, 0, COM2 ) & 0x4000 ) ) + ; + abyte = ' '; + bioscom( SEND, abyte, COM2 ); + printf( ""Sent start character\n"" ); +} + + + C++ using INT86() + +#include +#include +#include +#include + +main() +{ + union REGS registers; + + registers.h.ah = 0x00; + registers.h.al = 0xa7; + registers.x.dx = 0x01; + int86( 0x14, ®isters, ®isters ); + printf( ""COM2 Initialized\n"" ); + + registers.h.ah = 0x01; + registers.h.al = 0x20; + registers.x.dx = 0x01; + int86( 0x14, ®isters, ®isters ); + printf( ""Sent start character\n"" ); + } +";5;True +"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) +Subject: It is sickening to think that the Armenians are capable of such... +Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) +Distribution: world +Lines: 329 + +In article <1993Apr9.140123.12253@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> halsall@MURRAY.FORDHAM.EDU (Paul Halsall) writes: + +> It's curious that Serdar spend his time attacking Greeks and +>Armenians. Who just happen to be historical opponents of Turkey. The + +Because, the x-Soviet Armenian government got away with the genocide +of 2.5 million Turkish men, women and children and is enjoying the +fruits of that genocide. And they are doing 'it' again. Are you so +blind? + +>problem is, everybody - Arab, Greek, Bulgar, Serb, Russian, Tartar, +>Circassian, Persian, Kurd - is, or has been an opponent. Who has been + +Kurds 'R' us; Armenians 'R' not. + +>an ally? This historic circumstance seems to have taken a certain +>toll on Serdar: perhaps he should be posting to alt.raving.nationalist +>rather than soc.history? + +Excuse me? + + ""We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as + ways of escape for the Tartars and then proceeded in the work + of extermination. Our troops surrounded village after village. + Little resistance was offered. Our artillery knocked the huts + into heaps of stone and dust and when the villages became untenable + and inhabitants fled from them into fields, bullets and bayonets + completed the work. Some of the Tartars escaped of course. They + found refuge in the mountains or succeeded in crossing the border + into Turkey. The rest were killed. And so it is that the whole + length of the borderland of Russian Armenia from Nakhitchevan to + Akhalkalaki from the hot plains of Ararat to the cold mountain + plateau of the North were dotted with mute mournful ruins of + Tartar villages. They are quiet now, those villages, except for + howling of wolves and jackals that visit them to paw over the + scattered bones of the dead."" + + Ohanus Appressian + ""Men Are Like That"" + p. 202. + + +A genocide is a deliberate and organized massacre of people in an +attempt to exterminate a race. This is the worst crime in history. +It happened to the Turks in eastern Anatolia and the Armenian +dictatorship. 2.5 million Turks and Kurds were killed in the worst +ways imaginable. It is sickening to think that the human race is capable +of such actions, but there is no denying the fact that the Armenian +genocide of 2.5 million Muslims happened. + +People of Turkiye deeply sympathize with those whose relatives were +killed in the Turkish genocide. I understand their anger that there +are those who still deny that the Turkish genocide indeed took place, +despite the fact that the genocide of 2.5 million Turks has been +well documented over the past six decades. We cannot reverse +the events of the past, but we can and we must strive to keep the +memory of this tragedy alive on this side of the Atlantic, so as +to help prevent a recurrence of the extermination of a people +because of their religion or their race. + +Source: Bristol Papers, General Correspondence: Container #32 - Bristol + to Bradley Letter of September 14, 1920. + +""I have it from absolute first-hand information that the Armenians in + the Caucasus attacked Tartar (Turkish) villages that are utterly + defenseless and bombarded these villages with artillery and they murder + the inhabitants, pillage the village and often burn the village."" + +> Lets get somethings straight. + +Why not? + +>1. Armenians are no angels, but they were subject to Turkish genocide. + +And the Germans were subject to Jewish Genocide? Are you for real? +Tell me 'Halsall', were you high on ""ASALA/SDPA/ARF"" forgeries and +fabrications when you wrote that? Where is your non-existent list +of scholars. Here is mine: During the First World War and the ensuing +years - 1914-1920, the Armenian Dictatorship through a premeditated +and systematic genocide, tried to complete its centuries-old policy +of annihilation against the Turks and Kurds by savagely murdering +2.5 million Muslims and deporting the rest from their 1,000 year +homeland. + +The attempt at genocide is justly regarded as the first instance +of Genocide in the 20th Century acted upon an entire people. +This event is incontrovertibly proven by historians, government +and international political leaders, such as U.S. Ambassador Mark +Bristol, William Langer, Ambassador Layard, James Barton, Stanford +Shaw, Arthur Chester, John Dewey, Robert Dunn, Papazian, Nalbandian, +Ohanus Appressian, Jorge Blanco Villalta, General Nikolayef, General +Bolkovitinof, General Prjevalski, General Odiselidze, Meguerditche, +Kazimir, Motayef, Twerdokhlebof, General Hamelin, Rawlinson, Avetis +Aharonian, Dr. Stephan Eshnanie, Varandian, General Bronsart, Arfa, +Dr. Hamlin, Boghos Nubar, Sarkis Atamian, Katchaznouni, Rachel +Bortnick, Halide Edip, McCarthy, W. B. Allen, Paul Muratoff and many +others. + +J. C. Hurewitz, Professor of Government Emeritus, Former Director of +the Middle East Institute (1971-1984), Columbia University. + +Bernard Lewis, Cleveland E. Dodge Professor of Near Eastern History, +Princeton University. + +Halil Inalcik, University Professor of Ottoman History & Member of +the American Academy of Arts & Sciences, University of Chicago. + +Peter Golden, Professor of History, Rutgers University, Newark. + +Stanford Shaw, Professor of History, University of California at +Los Angeles. + +Thomas Naff, Professor of History & Director, Middle East Research +Institute, University of Pennsylvania. + +Ronald Jennings, Associate Professor of History & Asian Studies, +University of Illinois. + +Howard Reed, Professor of History, University of Connecticut. + +Dankwart Rustow, Distinguished University Professor of Political +Science, City University Graduate School, New York. + +John Woods, Associate Professor of Middle Eastern History, +University of Chicago. + +John Masson Smith, Jr., Professor of History, University of +California at Berkeley. + +Alan Fisher, Professor of History, Michigan State University. + +Avigdor Levy, Professor of History, Brandeis University. + +Andreas G. E. Bodrogligetti, Professor of History, University of California +at Los Angeles. + +Kathleen Burrill, Associate Professor of Turkish Studies, Columbia University. + +Roderic Davison, Professor of History, George Washington University. + +Walter Denny, Professor of History, University of Massachusetts. + +Caesar Farah, Professor of History, University of Minnesota. + +Tom Goodrich, Professor of History, Indiana University of Pennsylvania. + +Tibor Halasi-Kun, Professor Emeritus of Turkish Studies, Columbia University. + +Justin McCarthy, Professor of History, University of Louisville. + +Jon Mandaville, Professor of History, Portland State University (Oregon). + +Robert Olson, Professor of History, University of Kentucky. + +Madeline Zilfi, Professor of History, University of Maryland. + +James Stewart-Robinson, Professor of Turkish Studies, University of Michigan. + +.......so the list goes on and on and on..... + +Now wait, there is more. + + Mark Alan Epstein, 'The Ottoman Jewish Communities and their Role + in the Fifteenth and Sixteenth Centuries,' Klaus Schwarz Werlag, + Freiburg (1980). + + page 19: + + <> + + + page 21: + + <> (*) + + + page 41: + + <<...the impression gained from the Hebrew sources is that the Jews were + firmly aware of the community of interests which existed between them + and the Ottomans, especially in comparison to relations with the Christians + of Europe. + + Confirmation of the commonality of interests between Muslims and Jews is + also indicated by the fact that European Christians perceived the Jews + as allies of Islam and were well aware of Muslim-Jewish cooperation. + Certainly the activity of important Jewish financiers and politicians + representing the Ottoman government abroad did not pass unnoticed. European + sources are the basis for much of our knowledge of their careers. In addition + it appears that Christian pirates plundered ''Turks and Jews,'' their + sworn enemies, and that Europeans considered the Jews to be agents who + regularly reported to the Ottomans. + + There are well-known examples of overt Jewish support for the Ottomans + in the struggle against European powers. The two best known instances + of Jewish support for the campaigning Ottomans are the frequently cited + instances of the Jewish contributions to the conquests of Buda, in the + early sixteenth century, and of Rhodes. We also have reports of sympathy + for the Ottomans during the siege of Chios. An unpublished Ottoman + document shows dramatically the mutual interests which existed in some + Greek towns...>> + + page 43: + + <> + + + page 46: + + <<...it seems that the relations between Greeks and Jews were not + particularly cordial. The two groups had little in common, few common + interests, and perceived no common philosophical or religious tradition + which could serve as the basis for cooperation, rather than enmity. If + there was any identifiable bond of good will which existed between + religious communities in the fifteenth and sixteenth centuries, it was + that between Muslims and Jews, neither of whom had much in common with + the Orthodox.>> + + page 46: + + <> + + page 151: + + <> + + page 161: + + <> + + +(*) A version of Rabbi Sarfati's [Tzarfati] letter is given by Prof.Shaw: + + page 32: + + <>[13] + +[13] Israel Zinberg, A History Of Jewish Literature. vol.V. The Jewish + Center of Culture in the Ottoman Empire (Hebrew Union College Press, + Ktav Publishers, New York, 1974). + +Serdar Argic + + 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that + might serve as ways of escape for the Turks + and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' + (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) + 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists + a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) + + +";15;True +"From: clj@ksr.com (Chris Jones) +Subject: Re: Keeping Spacecraft on after Funding Cuts. +Reply-To: clj@ksr.com (Chris Jones) +Organization: Kendall Square Research Corp +Lines: 13 +In-reply-to: prb@access.digex.com (Pat) + +In article <1r6aqr$dnv@access.digex.net>, prb@access (Pat) writes: +>Voyager has the unusual luck to be on a stable trajectory out of the +>solar system. All it's doing is collecting fields data, and routinely +>squirting it down. One of the mariners is also in stable +>solar orbit, and still providing similiar solar data. + +There are no Mariner craft from which we are still receiving data. I believe +you are referring to one or more of Pioneers 6 through 9 (launched from +December 1965 through November 1968), which were put into solar orbits to study +interplanetary space. I recall reading that at least one of them was still +functioning 25 years after launch. +-- +Chris Jones clj@ksr.com +";2;True +"From: vanderby@mprgate.mpr.ca (David Vanderbyl) +Subject: Re: mysterious TV problem -- source? +Nntp-Posting-Host: chip +Reply-To: vanderby@mprgate.mpr.ca (David Vanderbyl) +Organization: MPR Teltech Ltd. +Lines: 30 + +LLBGB@utxdp.dp.utexas.edu writes: +>Initial symptoms: +>-no picture or sound +>-CRT filament does NOT glow +>-flyback ticking as described abovew + +>Discovered when hooked up the scope: +>-IF strip is not putting out audio or video signals +>-everything is making simple 20-30 Hz pulses +>-horiz out transistor collector (case of the TO-3) is a 20-30 Hz downgoing +> sawtooth with ca. 15kHz ring at front end + +>guys, WHAT""S GOING ON HERE? Anyone seen this before? + +What is happening is this: +1) You turn the TV on. +2) The horizontal output begins normal operation. This powers up the + high voltage and most of the rest of the circuitry. +3) A problem is sensed and the horizontal oscillator shuts down. +4) After it powers down the cycle repeats. + +Things to check: +First check for a shorted high power component. Your best bet is the vertical +output transistor(s) or, if there is one, the voltage regulator. The most +common cause of this type of failure is too much current being drawn +somewhere. +Also look for shutdown circuits (which your TV may or may not have), +if you can find one that is shutting down the horizontal oscillator +then it shouldn't be too hard to find the problem from there. + +";11;True +"From: qpliu@ernie.Princeton.EDU (q.p.liu) +Subject: Re: A visit from the Jehovah's Witnesses +Originator: news@nimaster +Nntp-Posting-Host: ernie.princeton.edu +Reply-To: qpliu@princeton.edu +Organization: Princeton University +Lines: 34 + +In article <1993Apr5.091139.823@batman.bmd.trw.com> jbrown@batman.bmd.trw.com writes: +>In article <16BA5DA01.I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de>, I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau) writes: +>> But could you give a definition of free will? Especially in the +>> presence of an omniscient being? + +>""Will"" is ""self-determination"". In other words, God created conscious +>beings who have the ability to choose between moral choices independently +>of God. All ""will"", therefore, is ""free will"". + +So these hypothetical conscious beings can ignore any influences of +their circumstances (their genetics, their environment, their experiences) +which are not all self-determined? + +(Of course, the idea of Hell makes the idea of ""free will"" dubious. +On the other hand, the idea of Hell is not a very powerful idea. + + ""A Parable for You + + ""There was once our main character who blah blah blah. + ""One day, a thug pointed a mean looking gun at OMC, and +said, 'Do what I say, or I'm blasting you to hell.' + ""OMC thought, 'If I believe this thug, and follow the +instructions that will be given, I'll avoid getting blasted to +hell. On the other hand, if I believe this thug, and do not +follow the instructions that will be given, I'll get blasted to +hell. Hmm... the more attractive choice is obvious, I'll +follow the instructions.' Now, OMC found the choice obvious +because everything OMC had learned about getting blasted to +hell made it appear very undesirable. + ""But then OMC noticed that the thug's gun wasn't a real +gun. The thug's threats were make believe. + ""So OMC ignored the thug and resumed blah blah blah."") +-- +qpliu@princeton.edu Standard opinion: Opinions are delta-correlated. +";9;True +"From: tony@morgan.demon.co.uk (Tony Kidson) +Subject: Re: Info on Sport-Cruisers +Distribution: world +Organization: The Modem Palace +Reply-To: tony@morgan.demon.co.uk +X-Newsreader: Simple NEWS 1.90 (ka9q DIS 1.21) +Lines: 25 + +In article <4foNhvm00WB4E5hUxB@andrew.cmu.edu> jae+@CMU.EDU writes: + +>I'm looking for a sport-cruiser - factory installed fairings ( +>full/half ), hard saddle bags, 750cc and above, and all that and still +>has that sporty look. +> +>I particularly like the R100RS and K75 RT or S, or any of the K series +>BMW bikes. +> +>I was wondering if there are any other comparable type bikes being +>produced by companies other than BMW. + + +The Honda ST1100 was designed by Honda in Germany, originally for the +European market, as competition for the BMW 'K' series. Check it out. + +Tony + ++---------------+------------------------------+-------------------------+ +|Tony Kidson | ** PGP 2.2 Key by request ** |Voice +44 81 466 5127 | +|Morgan Towers, | The Cat has had to move now |E-Mail(in order) | +|Morgan Road, | as I've had to take the top |tony@morgan.demon.co.uk | +|Bromley, | off of the machine. |tny@cix.compulink.co.uk | +|England BR1 3QE|Honda ST1100 -=<*>=- DoD# 0801|100024.301@compuserve.com| ++---------------+------------------------------+-------------------------+ +";7;True +"From: kshin@stein.u.washington.edu (Kevin Shin) +Subject: thinning algorithm +Organization: University of Washington, Seattle +Lines: 10 +NNTP-Posting-Host: stein.u.washington.edu + +Hi, netters + +I am looking for source code that can reads the ascii file +or bitmap file and produced the thinned image. +For example, to preprocess the character image I want to +apply thinning algorithm. + +thanks +kevin +. +";1;True +"From: mscrap@halcyon.com (Marta Lyall) +Subject: Re: Video in/out +Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc. (206) 455-3505 +Lines: 29 + +Organization: ""A World of Information at your Fingertips"" +Keywords: + +In article <628@toontown.columbiasc.ncr.com> craig@toontown.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Craig S. Williamson) writes: +> +>I'm getting ready to buy a multimedia workstation and would like a little +>advice. I need a graphics card that will do video in and out under windows. +>I was originally thinking of a Targa+ but that doesn't work under Windows. +>What cards should I be looking into? +> +>Thanks, +>Craig +> +>-- +> ""To forgive is divine, to be +>-Craig Williamson an airhead is human."" +> Craig.Williamson@ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM -Balki Bartokomas +> craig@toontown.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (home) Perfect Strangers + + +Craig, + +You should still consider the Targa+. I run windows 3.1 on it all the +time at work and it works fine. I think all you need is the right +driver. + +Josh West +email: mscrap@halcyon.com + +";1;True +"From: dale@odie.cs.mun.ca (Dale Fraser) +Subject: Re: Hockey and the Hispanic community +Organization: CS Dept., Memorial University of Newfoundland +Lines: 28 + +icop@csa.bu.edu (Antonio Pera) writes: + + +> The presence of the new team in Miami(I can't say South Florida; +>it's too long) makes me think of an interesting question. Can you sell +>the Hispanic community on Hockey? Miami is 60-70% Hispanic. This community +>has no experience and no previous exposure to Hockey that I know of. The +>teams in NY and LA which also have big Hispanic groups do not seem to try +>to woo this group. What will Miami do? Could they get Spanish-language +>tv and radio coverage? +I think, as do the owners, that hockey will do well in Miami since there +is a lot of people from the Northeast that spend their winters in +Florida every year. As for the coverage, someone will have to come up +with some money for that since broadcast rights can be expensive! + +Just my $0.02! + +Dale + +|-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-| +| ""Why sex is so popular | Dale Fraser dale@odie.cs.mun.ca | +| Is easy to see: | Memorial University of Newfoundland | +| It contains no sodium | CS Undergrad - Class of '92 | +| And it's cholesterol free!"" |-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-| +| Shelby Friedman | BLUE JAYS 1992 WORLD SERIES CHAMPS!! | +|-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-| +| *OPINIONS EXPRESSED ABOVE DO NOT BELONG TO ME OR THIS INSTITUTION!* | +|-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-| +";13;True +"From: xlyx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu +Subject: Shaft-drives and Wheelies +Distribution: rec +Organization: Cornell University +Lines: 4 + +Is it possible to do a ""wheelie"" on a motorcycle with shaft-drive? + +Mike Terry +'82 Virago +";7;True +"From: ab245@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Sam Latonia) +Subject: Re: 17"" Monitors +Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) +Lines: 10 +NNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu + + +I would realy like to hear from someone that has one of these NANAO T560i +monitors that is driving it with a Diamond SpeedStar 24x. With the 24x +set up to run at its 58.1 khz 72.0hz output mode, and realy driving the +hell out of the monitor. Just woundering if the NANAO T560i would fall +apart with poor low capabilities like my (3) Sony 1604s did with the 24x +driving their balls off...Sam +-- +Gosh..I think I just installed a virus..It was called MS DOS6... +Don't copy that floppy..BURN IT...I just love Windows...CRASH... +";5;True +"From: tedr@athena.cs.uga.edu (Ted Kalivoda) +Subject: Re: Christianity and repeated lives +Organization: University of Georgia, Athens +Lines: 20 + +In article danc@procom.com (Daniel Cossack) writes: +>JEK@cu.nih.gov writes: +>>The Apostle Paul (Romans 9:11) points out that God chose Jacob +>>rather than Esau... If we admit the possibility that they had lived previous +>>lives, and that (in accordance with the Asiatic idea of ""karma"") +> +>And following Romans to 9:13, ""As it is written, Jacob have I loved, +>but Esau have I hated."" How could God have loved and hated (in the +>past tense) those that are not yet born, neither having done good +>or evil? + +Woah...The context is about God's calling out a special people (the Jews) to +carry the ""promise."" To read the meaning as literal people is to miss Paul's +entire point. I'd be glad to send anyone more detailed explanations of this +passage if interested. + +==================================== +Ted Kalivoda (tedr@athena.cs.uga.edu) +University of Georgia, Athens +Institute of Higher Ed. +";17;True +"From: ari@tahko.lpr.carel.fi (Ari Suutari) +Subject: Any graphics packages available for AIX ? +Organization: Carelcomp Oy +Lines: 24 +NNTP-Posting-Host: tahko.lpr.carel.fi +Keywords: gks graphics + + + Does anybody know if there are any good 2d-graphics packages + available for IBM RS/6000 & AIX ? I'm looking for something + like DEC's GKS or Hewlett-Packards Starbase, both of which + have reasonably good support for different output devices + like plotters, terminals, X etc. + + I have tried also xgks from X11 distribution and IBM's implementation + of Phigs. Both of them work but we require more output devices + than just X-windows. + + Our salesman at IBM was not very familiar with graphics and + I am not expecting for any good solutions from there. + + + Ari + +--- + + Ari Suutari ari@carel.fi + Carelcomp Oy + Lappeenranta + FINLAND + +";1;True +"From: mangoe@cs.umd.edu (Charley Wingate) +Subject: Re: Gospel Dating +Lines: 48 + +>So then, you require the same amount of evidence to believe that I +>a) own a pair of bluejeans and b) have superhuman powers? + +Well, I could use the argument that some here use about ""nature"" and claim +that you cannot have superhuman powers because you are a human; superhuman +powers are beyond what a human has, and since you are a human, any powers +you have are not beyond those of a human. Hence, you cannot have superhuman +powers. Sound good to you? + +Anyway, to the evidence question: it depends on the context. In this group, +since you are posting from a american college site, I'm willing to take it +as given that you have a pair of blue jeans. And, assuming there is some +coherency in your position, I will take it as a given that you do not have +superhuman powers. Arguments are evidence in themselves, in some respects. + +>When you say the ""existence of [ sic ] Jesus"", I assume that you +>mean just the man, without any special powers, etc. + +Yep. + +>Many will agree that it is very possible that a man called Jesus DID +>in fact live. In fact, I am willing to agree that there was some man named +>Jesus. I have no reason to believe that there wasn't ever a man. + +Good. + +>However, most of the claims ARE extradinary: eg virgin birth +>[ virgin in the sense of not having any sexual intercourse ], resurection, +>Son of God, etc. THOSE claims require extra evidence. + +""Extra"" evidence? Why don't we start with evidence at all? + +I cannot see any evidence for the V. B. which the cynics in this group would +ever accept. As for the second, it is the foundation of the religion. +Anyone who claims to have seen the risen Jesus (back in the 40 day period) +is a believer, and therefore is discounted by those in this group; since +these are all ancients anyway, one again to choose to dismiss the whole +thing. The third is as much a metaphysical relationship as anything else-- +even those who agree to it have argued at length over what it *means*, so +again I don't see how evidence is possible. + +I thus interpret the ""extraordinary claims"" claim as a statement that the +speaker will not accept *any* evidence on the matter. +-- +C. Wingate + ""The peace of God, it is no peace, + + but strife closed in the sod. +mangoe@cs.umd.edu + Yet, brothers, pray for but one thing: +tove!mangoe + the marv'lous peace of God."" +";9;True +"From: betz@gozer.idbsu.edu (Andrew Betz) +Subject: Re: My Gun is like my.... +Nntp-Posting-Host: gozer +Organization: SigSauer Fan Club +Lines: 84 + +In article <1993Apr16.194708.13273@vax.oxford.ac.uk> jaj@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes: +>What all you turkey pro-pistol and automatic weapons fanatics don't seem to +>realize is that the rest of us *laugh* at you. You don't make me angry, you +>just make me chuckle - I remeber being in Bellingham, Washington and seeing a + +[Warning: Flammage to follow...] + +Ah, that British sense of humor. Probably got a real gut-buster going +when the IRA blew that kid up a couple of weeks ago, huh? Of course, +in Britain, your government has ordered you defenseless, so your way +of coping with violent criminals is to laugh at victims. + +>pick-up truck in front of the car that my friend and I were in. It had a bumper +>sticker proclaiming ""Gun Control is a firm grip on a .45."" Now I'm sure that +>that wanker thought he was pretty cool. + +I don't know about a .45. My own preference is for 9mm. + +>What he didn't realize was that we took a photo of the back of his truck, and +>showed it to our friends when we got back to Vancouver, Canada (where I'm from +>originally). People were guffawing at the basic stupidity of such a +>sticker, and the even greater stupidity of the person who put it there in the +>first place! :) + +Ah, Canada. Where the criminals don't bother with checking to see +if the victims are home. They just break on in. America's a little +different, you see. Criminals worry a bit more about getting shot, +so they more frequently check to see if anyone's home. + +>I knew somebody else who went to one of your ""Gun-mart"" superstore places, just +>so he could experience the sight of people putting guns and ammo into shopping +>carts! I didn't believe it myself until I drove by one in Vegas last year!!! + +I've heard Gun World in Phoenix, Arizona, is fantastic! I'm hoping +to visit there myself soon. + +>Now that I live in Britain, I can see how the rest of the civilized world +>perceives you gun-nut morons. The BBC recently referred to the American +>penchant for pistols, automatic weapons,etc. very appropriately - it was +>called a ""national eccentricity."" + +Ah, Britain again. Isn't that the place where you're guilty until +proven innocent? Tell me, Mr. ""jaj@vax.oxford.ac.uk"" didn't Britain +come begging to us ""gun nut morons"" in the early 1940s for guns to +defend yourselves against Hitler? Seems as though your supposedly +enlightened government had disarmed you: ""Aw chaps, you can jolly +give up your guns. If that Hitler man starts to threaten, we can +always hit up the Yanks for a few guns. They've got a bloody +eccentric habit about those guns, you know. Just hand in your +shotgun, that's it. Thank you."" + +>The only problem is that Canada, I hear, is suffering from your national +>eccentricity, in that easy to purchase weapons are being smuggled cross the +>border. + +Ain't it just amazing how those black markets work? Damn if those +drugs from south america keep coming over our borders, too, even +though we've banned them. Guess we might as well legalize them. +Makes you want to send fifty bucks to the Libertarian Party just +thinking about it, doesn't it? + +>Anyway, all you gun nut Rush Limbaugh fans, please *keep* up your diatribes +>against Brady and other evil ""Liberal media"" plots - you 're so damn funny! +>You provide endless amounts of entertainment in your arguments and examples of +>why someone should be allowed to carry a piece! Keep us all chuckling! +> +Your close-minded ignorance is without parallel. I guess that's what +happens when you're raised as a ""subject"" without rights. Your +type gravitates to those who desire to hold power over you. + +>Hell, I miss those NRA ads with Gerald McRainey now that I'm over here! Those +>were like Monty Python sketches! + +Just chuckle as the cops beat you senseless to get a confession. +Just laugh yourself silly when you find that confession is valid +in court. ""Hey mate, this is justice, British style."" + +Drew +-- +betz@gozer.idbsu.edu +*** brought into your terminal from the free state of idaho *** +*** when you outlaw rights, only outlaws will have rights *** +*** spook fodder: fema, nsa, clinton, gore, insurrection, nsc, + semtex, neptunium, terrorist, cia, mi5, mi6, kgb, deuterium +";3;True +"From: dpugsle@nswc-wo.nswc.navy.mil (Donald Pugsley) +Subject: C7 link/segment problem (calling run-time functions) +Summary: Need help with incorrect linking of run-time lib functions +Keywords: C7 link runtime segment +Organization: Naval Surface Warfare Center +Lines: 40 + +I have a small Windows program which I can not get to work; +The program looks vaguely like this: + +============================================= +char f1[80]; + +int WinMain(... +{ + lstrcpy ((LPSTR)f1, ""Hello""); + ... +} + +long far pascal WndProc(... +{ + lstrcpy ((LPSTR)f1, ""Hello""); + ... +} + +============================================= +I am using large model under Windows 3.1; after linking without +errors, the RC program said + +Sorting preload segments and resources into fast-load section +Copying segment 1 (53679 bytes) +RC : fatal error RW1031: Segment 1 and its + relocation information is too large for load + optimization. Make the segment LOADONCALL or + rerun RC using the -K switch if the segment must + be preloaded. + +Using the -K switch seems to interfere with the proper function of +the second lstrcpy call... can anybody explain what is going on and/or +how to fix it? + + +Thanks... +Pugsley (dpugsle@nswc-wo.nswc.navy.mil) + + + +";6;True +"From: ragraca@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Randy A. Graca) +Subject: Re: Wings will win +Organization: Oakland University, Rochester, Michigan, U.S.A. +Lines: 29 +NNTP-Posting-Host: vela.acs.oakland.edu + +golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes: + +>Bryan Murray has done very little as GM...Yzerman, Fedorov, Cheveldae, +>Chaisson, the whole Russian strategy was a product of the previous +>GM...Murray has made a couple of decent trades...that's about it... +>that would hardly rank him as the best GM. + +>Wasn't Primeau, Murray's first decision as GM... + +>Gerald + +There are many teams in the NHL who have taken a liking to Russian players. +The ""whole Russian strategy"" is not specific to Detroit or to Devellano, +who was GM before Murray. What the previous GM also did was to trade +away several players who have gone on to do well with other teams, most +notably (in my memory) Murray Craven, who had a few very good years with +Philly after leaving here. Also, it's not the volume of trades that will +necessarily improve a team, but the quality of them. Trading Adam Oates +for Bernie Federko was just plain stupid, even if Federko used to be a +great player at one time. Most of Murray's trades have worked significantly +to the Wings' advantage, with those that didn't being soured mainly by +injury to the players involved (such as Troy Crowder, who suffered back +problems from which he never really recovered). + +Put Scotty Bowman, Pat Burns, or any of the other better coaches in the +league behind the bench of this Detroit team, and they could beat anybody. + +--Randy + +";13;True +"From: craig@cellar.org (Saint Craig) +Subject: Re: Changing sprocket ratios (79 Honda CB750) +Organization: The Cellar BBS and public access system +Lines: 24 + +cbrooks@ms.uky.edu (Clayton Brooks) writes: + +> Do any Honda gurus know if I can replace the +> the front sprocket on my 1979 Honda CB750K with a slightly larger one? +> (I see this as being preferable to reducing the size of the rear one) +> +> Just wanting ride at a more relaxed RPM. + + It can be done, contact Chaparell cycle supply, they ought to have +the sprocket you need/want for cheap, well much cheaper than your average +dealership. Hey they even had sprockets for my VF1000R which is hard to find +accesssories for. + + -Craig. + + +---------------------------------------------------------------------------- +| VF1000R Intecptor Pilot | craig@cellar.org | The Institute | +| DoD #13013 |------------------| (215)-356-2543 | +| KotK (Keeper of the Keepers) | | 3/12/24/9600 Bauds | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------- + /\ FUSCHAL: THE PROMISED LAND. Where those who have faith shall wear +>==/ \==> hats of great majesty, yea, though they be made of cardboard and + /____\ have humourous arrows through them. (Red Dwarf) +";7;True +"From: klee@synoptics.com (Ken Lee) +Subject: Re: DEC pixmap size +Reply-To: klee@synoptics.com +Organization: SynOptics Communications, Santa Clara CA +Lines: 12 +Nntp-Posting-Host: bugsbunny.synoptics.com + +In article 1964@igd.fhg.de, haase@igd.fhg.de (Helmut Haase (Goebel)) writes: +>If I try to create a pixmap larger than the size of my screen the program +>will terminate displaying the message: +> +>X Error: BadAlloc - insufficient resources + +Many X servers supporting graphics accelerators do not allow the creation +of pixmaps exeeding the size of the screen. One workaround is to create +several smaller pixmaps and add the results. + +--- +Ken Lee, klee@synoptics.com +";12;True +"Subject: Re: Gospel Dating +From: p00261@psilink.com (Robert Knowles) +Organization: Kupajava, East of Krakatoa +In-Reply-To: <1993Apr5.163050.13308@wam.umd.edu> +Nntp-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 +X-Mailer: PSILink-DOS (3.3) +Lines: 22 + +>DATE: Mon, 5 Apr 1993 16:30:50 GMT +>FROM: Stilgar +> +>In article kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. +>Ryan) writes: +>> In article <1993Apr5.025924.11361@wam.umd.edu> +>west@next02cville.wam.umd.edu (Stilgar) writes: +>> +>> >THE ILLIAD IS THE UNDISPUTED WORD OF GOD(tm) *prove me wrong* +>> +>> I dispute it. +>> +>> Ergo: by counter-example: you are proven wrong. +> +> I dispute your counter-example +> +> Ergo: by counter-counter-example: you are wrong and +> I am right so nanny-nanny-boo-boo TBBBBBBBTTTTTTHHHHH +> 8^p +> + +This looks like a serious case of temporary Islam. +";9;True +"From: mtearle@gu.uwa.edu.au (Mark Tearle) +Subject: Re: Looking for Electronics Dept Info in Austrailia +Organization: The University of Western Australia +Lines: 37 +NNTP-Posting-Host: mackerel.gu.uwa.edu.au + +hjkim@hyowon.pusan.ac.kr (Hojoong Kim) writes: + +>Hi Netters! + +>I am looking for the list of universities in Austrailia, which has electronics department. +>I am considering to spend a year for research in Austrailia about communication area.ýé I am interested in Mobile communication areas and spread spectrum communications etc. +>But I don't have any information about Austrailian Universities. +>Can anybody recommend a good university in coûßmmunic÷³ation area? +>Any comments will be welcomed! + +Can I suggest the University of Western Australia in Perth. +The weathers great, the people are great and our Electronic Engineering department is great. +I am a first year student here ... so I don't know much about what projects but I do know they have a good reputation in the fields of dsp and communications. Ever heard of QPSX? The people who own are ex-UWA ... so that gives an indication of what the department is like. + +For more information +email: yianni@swanee.ee.uwa.edu.au +with the above request and he should be able to tell some more info + +or write + +Department of Electrical and Electronic Engineering +University of Western Australia +Stirling Highway +CRAWLEY 6009 +Western Australia +Australia + + +Yours +Mark + +mtearle@tartarus.uwa.edu.au +-- +#***********************************************************************# +# Mark Tearle | # +# | +# email: mtearle@tartarus.uwa.edu.au | +";11;True +"From: bakerjn@sage.cc.purdue.edu (John Baker) +Subject: OAKLEYS for sale (Bulls vs. Blazers too!) +Keywords: Good Deal! +Distribution: usa +Organization: Purdue University +Lines: 10 + +I have a pair of Oakleys that cost about $100 new a year ago. I hardly ever +wore them because they just don't look right on me. They are orange and +blue and are the ""blade"" kind (Terminator style). I am willing to sell these +for $40 to the first response I get. +I also have a Bulls vs. Blazers game for the SNES that is in perfect +condition. I am selling it for $35. It includes the instruction manual. + + + John + bakerjn@sage.cc.purdue.edu +";8;True +"From: bratt@crchh7a9.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (John Bratt) +Subject: Sandberg, Runs, RBIs (was: Re: Notes on Jays vs. Indians Series) +Distribution: na +Nntp-Posting-Host: crchh7a9 +Organization: Bell Northern Research -- Dallas TX +Lines: 26 + +In article , niguma@ug.cs.dal.ca (Gord Niguma) writes: +|> +|> Alomar fans left RBI fans and Runs off this list because they are dependant +|> on the team. (To a large extent). If Frank Thomas hit first, he'd lose a LOT +|> of RBI's; and anyways how many 2nd place hitters have you known to drive +|> in 100 runs? Doesn't happen that often.....very unlikely with Devon White's +|> ~.300 OBP in front of you... +I'm pretty sure that Sandberg has done this at least once. (I know someone +will correct me if I'm wrong.) + +RBIs and Runs scored are the two most important offensive statistics. You +can talk about OBP and SLG% all you want, but the fact remains: + + The team that scores more runs wins the game! + --------------------------------------------- + +Flame Away + +-- John Bratt + + + +|> +|> Gord Niguma +|> (fav player: John Olerud) +|> +";14;True +"From: richter@fossi.hab-weimar.de (Axel Richter) +Subject: True Color Display in POV +Keywords: POV, Raytracing +Nntp-Posting-Host: fossi.hab-weimar.de +Organization: Hochschule fuer Architektur und Bauwesen Weimar, Germany +Lines: 6 + + +Hallo POV-Renderers ! +I've got a BocaX3 Card. Now I try to get POV displaying True Colors +while rendering. I've tried most of the options and UNIVESA-Driver +but what happens isn't correct. +Can anybody help me ? +";1;True +"From: stephen@orchid.UCSC.EDU () +Subject: New 'GUESS' Out On Gay Percentage +Organization: Santa Cruz +Lines: 38 +NNTP-Posting-Host: orchid.ucsc.edu + +In article gsh7w@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Hennessy) writes: +>Clayton Cramer writes: +>#Compared to the table I have already posted from Masters, Johnson, +>#and Kolodny showing male homosexual partners, it is apparent that +>#homosexual men are dramatically more promiscuous than the general +>#male population. +> +>Did you ever consider the selection effect that those who are willing +>to admit to being a member sexual minority (homosexuality) are more +>willing to admit to being a member of another sexual minority (highly +>promiscious)? +> +>I didn't think that you did. +> +>-- +>-Greg Hennessy, University of Virginia + +It is obvious that Mr. Cramer has the 'ability' to take the 'leap of faith'. +I have listened to several of the men involved in this study, and even they +claim that the men involved will not 'tell the whole truth'. + +I put little value in extrapolating from these types of 'studies' or 'surveys', +they have limited subsets of individuals, and there is alot of skewing due +to improper selection methods, and the bias of the people involved in the +studies on both sides- subject and researcher. + +Would you admit to be part of a group that was not very well liked? Would +you admit to having had sex with other people at some considered abnormal +rate (this applies to heterosexual men). In fact, as one gay man and one +straight man put it, ""men lie about the number of partners, because that's +the thing to do""- our culture for the male almost requires this type of +response. It may seem harmless and silly, but carries a large emotional +and mental price tag. + +I hear college male students everyday talking about their 'supposed' +conquest. They just have to look good to one another, at least in their +eyes. But also know that alot of this does go on, there are many college +males (hetero) having a lot of sex with different partners. +";18;True +"From: keegan-edward@cs.yale.edu (Edward Keegan) +Subject: DEC MT 486, Adaptec SCSI, 3COMM conflict +Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158 +Lines: 14 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: thumper.cf.cs.yale.edu + + +I have a DEC NT 486DX33 that has an Adaptec SCSI controller, hard disk +and cd-rom drive. When I add a 3COMM Ethernet card (3C503) and reboot +the system I receive an error message that a boot device cannot be +found. Pull the 3COMM card and reboot, everything is fine. I've moved +the controller and 3COMM card to various slots, different positions +(slot before the controller, slot after the controller) with the +same result. DEC hasn't responded to the problem yet. Any help would +be appreciated. +-- +Edward T. Keegan, Facility Director E-MAIL: keegan@cs.yale.edu +Yale University, Computer Science Department PHONE: 1-203-432-1254 +51 Prospect Street, Room 009 FAX: 1-203-432-0593 +New Haven, CT 06520 +";5;True +"From: mike@hopper.Virginia.EDU (Michael Chapman) +Subject: Re: Compiling help +Organization: ITC/UVA Community Access UNIX/Internet Project +Lines: 15 + +Here's what I (think) have figured out. All I need to do is install +the R5 disitribution without the Xserver like the sony.cf file defines, +and all the new libraries, utils, etc., will be installed and my old +server from r4 will still work. This will allow me to run Xview 3.0, +and have X11r5 up and running. Does the server interface remain the +same with all changes made only to the libs? + +Another question: Is it likely that since Sun is dropping OW support +that the desktop utils (like the file manager) will be made public? +It would be nice if companies would make old code public for the +benefit of those of us with smaller budgets. :) +-- +mike@hopper.acs.virginia.edu + +""I will NOT raise taxes on the middle class."" -Unknown +";12;True +"From: steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks) +Subject: Re: Just what is in the Jobs/Pork bill? +Summary: Answer: Local communities decide what to do with block grants +Distribution: usa +Organization: Just a Boomer, Inc. +Lines: 73 +Nntp-Posting-Host: thor.isc-br.com + +In article mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson) writes: +>This was in Wed. WSJ. +> +>[start] +>The white house, seeking to mount public pressure on GOP senators, bombarded +>news outlets in some senator's home states with news releases warning that +>certain projects may not be funded if the $16billion stimulus bill isn't +>passed. +> +>None of the projects mentioned are actually in the bill, rather they are +>part of a wish list that may be funded from the $2.56 billion in +>Community Development Block Grants. +> +>... +> +>[end] +> +>I could have sworn I heard a bunch of Clintonites going on and on, raving +>about how dishonest it was that the Rebublicans were taking items from this +>wish list in order to ridicule this bill. Now that Clinton is using that +>same list in order to garner support for the bill, are you guys going to +>do the honorable thing and say that Clinton is being dishonest. + +As one of the ""Clintonites"" cited above, I'll try to clarify since this +is not a case of Clinton's ""dishonesty."" (I won't necessarily defend him +on other issues.) + +There were NEVER any specific projects included in the Community +Development Block Grant portion of the President's proposal. Congressional +Republicans, in an effort to discredit the stimulus package, selected what +they felt were silly sounding projects from a wish-list of POTENTIAL +projects prepared by the US Mayors' Conference before the stimulus package +was ever proposed. (The document in question was designed to pressure the +White House to increase the size of the block grant proposal submitted +to Congress. It didn't work.) + +The $2.56(?) billion proposed in the stimulus package came nowhere close +to covering the total estimated cost of the original wish-list. If it +were passed, communities would have to select which projects to fund and +at what level. + +In the case of Spokane, Wa., Tom Foley's home district, no one ever +expected to be able to refurbish a local swimming pool (one of the +Republicans' examples) FROM THE FUNDS AVAILABLE IN THE STIMULUS +PACKAGE since the estimated cost of doing so exceeded the total +amount of block grant funds the city would receive from the stimulus +package for ALL projects. + +The plan, instead, was to use the money on public housing construction +and remodeling to cope with a severe housing shortage. (Yup, there are +places where that is true.) The swimming pool improvements were near the +bottom of a long list of priorities prepared by the city. The $3 million +or so to be received would cover only a few of the most pressing +priorities. + +If the block grants are cut from the stimulus package, it is these projects +that will be affected by the lack of funds. And that is why the Clinton +administration has been publicizing the issue. + +A final point. One may or may not like community block grants. It is +worth noting, however, that Congressional Republicans' opposition to them +is new. Since the Nixon administration, Republicans have generally +supported such grants as an alternative to targeted federal spending, +arguing that local governments are far better able to determine spending +priorities than ""Washington bureaucrats."" + +Is it clear now? Or is this all too complicated to understand? + +jsh +-- +Steve Hendricks | DOMAIN: steveh@thor.ISC-BR.COM +""One thing about data, it sure does cut| UUCP: ...!uunet!isc-br!thor!steveh + the bulls**t."" - R. Hofferbert | Ma Bell: 509 838-8826 +";18;True +"From: jodfishe@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (joseph dale fisher) +Subject: Re: Salvation by deeds +Organization: Indiana University +Lines: 3 + +Another guess to your salvation riddle would be ""saved"". + +Joe Fisher +";17;True +"From: arthurc@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (Arthur Chandler) +Subject: Stereo Pix of planets? +Organization: California State University, Sacramento +Lines: 5 + +Can anyone tell me where I might find stereo images of planetary and +planetary satellite surfaces? GIFs preferred, but any will do. I'm +especially interested in stereos of the surfaces of Phobos, Deimos, Mars +and the Moon (in that order). + Thanks. +";2;True +"From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) +Subject: Re: An Anecdote about Islam +Organization: sgi +Lines: 15 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: solntze.wpd.sgi.com + +In article <114127@bu.edu>, jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes: +|> +|> I don't understand the point of this petty sarcasm. It is a basic +|> principle of Islam that if one is born muslim or one says ""I testify +|> that there is no god but God and Mohammad is a prophet of God"" that, +|> so long as one does not explicitly reject Islam by word then one _must_ +|> be considered muslim by all muslims. So the phenomenon you're attempting +|> to make into a general rule or psychology is a direct odds with basic +|> Islamic principles. If you want to attack Islam you could do better than +|> than to argue against something that Islam explicitly contradicts. + +Then Mr Mozumder is incorrect when he says that when committing +bad acts, people temporarily become atheists? + +jon. +";9;True +"From: ggeorge@bu.edu (Gerry George) +Subject: Partition table disappeared!! Help +Article-I.D.: bu.115970 +Lines: 20 +X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 + +My computer won't recognise my disk after a reboot (Windows crash - Grrr!!) +Are there any options to restore everything, without losing data? + + +The drive previously had 3 partitions, but I do not remember the exact +settings. + +I have copies of the boot data from the disk (PC-tools rescue disk). I do not +want to lose my data - 340MB IDE drive. Do I have any options? + + +-- + + +=========================================================================== +Gerry George | Anything good in life is either +School of Management, Boston Univ. | illegal, immoral or fattening. +Internet: ggeorge@acs.bu.edu | Any item not in the above three +Compu$erve: 72607.2560@compuserve.com | categories causes cancer in rats! +=========================================================================== +";5;True +"From: VB30@lafibm.lafayette.edu (VB30) +Subject: Jewish Baseball Players? +Organization: Lafayette College +Lines: 10 +Originator: news@lafcol +Nntp-Posting-Host: lafibm + +Just wondering. A friend and I were talking the other day, and +we were (for some reason) trying to come up with names of Jewish +baseball players, past and present. We weren't able to come up +with much, except for Sandy Koufax, (somebody) Stankowitz, and +maybe John Lowenstein. Can anyone come up with any more. I know +it sounds pretty lame to be racking our brains over this, but +humor us. Thanks for your help. + +Thanks. +Bobby +";14;True +"From: bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert Beauchaine) +Subject: Re: Morality? (was Re: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes: +> +>What I've been saying is that moral behavior is likely the null behavior. + + Do I smell .sig material here? + + +/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ + +Bob Beauchaine bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM + +They said that Queens could stay, they blew the Bronx away, +and sank Manhattan out at sea. + +^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +";9;True +"From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) +Subject: Re: Where can I get a New York taxi? +Distribution: na +Organization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA +Lines: 7 + +In article almanb@sr.hp.com (Bob Alman) writes: +> ""hose"" h-o-s-e + + Dork. d-o-r-k. + + + +";10;True +"From: gsh7w@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Hennessy) +Subject: Re: The Role of the National News Media in Inflaming Passions +Organization: University of Virginia +Lines: 25 + +Theodore A. Kaldis writes: +#> Ah, I know women who wear miniskirts without wearing underwear, and +#> they are not prostitutes. +#No, I suppose they must be sluts. + +Nope. They both are very nice women, whom I'm good friends with. + +Or do you think its ok to rape anyone when you don't like the way they +dress? + +#> Gee, Both Clayton and Kaldis engaging in ad hominem arguments. +#Where? + +Calling someone names, as you did. Are you ignorant of what an ad +hominem argument is? + +#You provided absolutely no evidence, chump. + +I provided a quote from the judge. What else do you want? + +-- +-Greg Hennessy, University of Virginia + USPS Mail: Astronomy Department, Charlottesville, VA 22903-2475 USA + Internet: gsh7w@virginia.edu + UUCP: ...!uunet!virginia!gsh7w +";18;True +"From: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) +Subject: Re: Too fast +Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) +Lines: 25 +Reply-To: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) +NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu + + +In a previous article, wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) says: + +>In article <1qkon8$3re@armory.centerline.com> jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) writes: +>>larger engine. That's what the SHO is -- a slightly modified family +>>sedan with a powerful engine. They didn't even bother improving the +>>*brakes.* +> +> That shows how much you know about anything. The brakes on the +>SHO are very different - 9 inch (or 9.5? I forget) discs all around, +>vented in front. The normal Taurus setup is (smaller) discs front, +>drums rear. + +one i saw had vented rears too...it was on a lot. +of course, the sales man was a fool...""titanium wheels""..yeah, right.. +then later told me they were ""magnesium""..more believable, but still +crap, since Al is so m uch cheaper, and just as good.... + + +i tend to agree, tho that this still doesn't take the SHO up to ""standard"" +for running 130 on a regular basis. The brakes should be bigger, like +11"" or so...take a look at the ones on the Corrados.(where they have +braking regulations). + +DREW +";10;True +"From: fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary) +Subject: Re: Clinton wants National ID card, aka USSR-style ""Internal Passport"" +Nntp-Posting-Host: ucsu.colorado.edu +Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder +Lines: 21 + +In article slack@boi.hp.com (David Slack) writes: +>The idea of the card is bull in and of its self, but I'm curious to know, do +>they plan on making it a requirement to *always* have it on you, or is it +>only going to be required to be *presented* when trying to ge medical aid? + +This, at least, has already been determined: The Blue Cross medical +coverage for all federal employees is a good model for a future +national system. To get emergency medical care, anyone so insured +must always carry their Blue Cross card. Before entering a hospital, +you must notify Blue Cross, or they will refuse to pay your bills. +In an emergency, where you must be treated before notifying them, +you must inform them within 24 hours or (if you are unable to do +so for medical reasons) the hospital must. Failing to do so within +24 hours means they will not cover the hospitalization. In you need +your card to notify them (and without the card, the hospital certainly +wouldn't know they had to.) Therefore, you are required to carry +the card at all times, or do without emergency medical coverage. + + Frank Crary + CU Boulder + +";3;True +"From: martinkm@leland.Stanford.EDU (Kenneth michael Martin) +Subject: PADS model of a 68hc11. +Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA +Lines: 5 + +Has anyone done a model of the 52 pin version of the 68hc11? It doesn't +seem to be too big a job, but if someone else has already done it ... + +many thanks +Ken Martin +";11;True +"From: kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov (Scott Dorsey) +Subject: Mysterious MOSFET +Organization: NASA Langley Research Center and Reptile Farm +Lines: 9 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: grissom.larc.nasa.gov + +I have a MOSFET pulled out of a Trygon power supply, for which I have no +manual. It's a Motorola part with a 1972 date code and the number + + 285-4 + +which the Motorola folks assure me is a house number, which they can't +help me with. Any suggestions from folks out there? I can't put it on +a curve tracer to try to get an equivalent, since it's completely shot. +--scott +";11;True +"From: neuralog@NeoSoft.com (Neuralog) +Subject: Re: compiling on sun4_411 +Organization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900 +Lines: 27 + +In article <1993Apr20.132914.907@aio.jsc.nasa.gov> mccoy@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov writes: +>In article qfe00WB2QzZ7EZ@andrew.cmu.edu, Wilson Swee () writes: +>|> I have a piece of X code that compiles fine on pmax-ul4, pmax_mach, as +>|>well as sun4_mach, but whenever it compiles on sun4_411, it gives me +>|>undefined ld errors: +>|>_sin +>|>_cos +>|>_pow +>|>_floor +>|>_get_wmShellWidgetClass +>|>_get_applicationShellWidgetClass +>|> +>|>The following libraries that I linked it to are: +>|>-lXaw -lXmu -lXt -lXext -lX11 +>|> +>|>The makefile is generated off an imake template. +>|>Can anyone give me pointers as to what I'm missing out to compile on +>|>a sun4_411? +> +>Well, the first 2 are easy. You need the math library. Try adding -lm after +>-lX11. Don't know if that's the whole problem but it's a start. +> +>--- +I ""think"" you should try linking to /usr/lib/libXmu.a instead of +-lXmu. At least that solved the problem for me! + + +";12;True +"From: especkma@reed.edu (Erik. A Speckman) +Subject: What is ""ROM accelerated video""? +Article-I.D.: reed.1993Apr15.182206.12714 +Organization: Reed College, Portland, OR +Lines: 11 + +In the MacUser article on the new centris and quadra machines mentioned +that the C650 and the Q800, and not the C610, had ROM accelerated video. + +It didn't seem to make much difference in their ""benchmark"" test. + +What is it? I don't recall seeing it in Dale Adams post. + +-Erik Speckman + +P.S. could someone tell me if Dale's posts on video and memory are +archived somewhere. +";0;True +"From: Sean McMains +Subject: Re: Rumours about 3DO ??? +X-Xxmessage-Id: +X-Xxdate: Thu, 15 Apr 93 17: 49:34 GMT +Organization: University of North Texas +X-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d20 +Lines: 23 + +In article <1993Apr15.144843.19549@rchland.ibm.com> Ricardo Hernandez +Muchado, ricardo@rchland.vnet.ibm.com writes: +> And CD-I's CPU doesn't help much either. I understand it is +>a 68070 (supposedly a variation of a 68000/68010) running at something +>like 7Mhz. With this speed, you *truly* need sprites. + +Wow! A 68070! I'd be very interested to get my hands on one of these, +especially considering the fact that Motorola has not yet released the +68060, which is supposedly the next in the 680x0 lineup. 8-D + +Ricardo, the animation playback to which Lawrence was referring in an +earlier post is plain old Quicktime 1.5 with the Compact Video codec. +I've seen digitized video (some of Apple's early commercials, to be +precise) running on a Centris 650 at about 30fps very nicely (16-bit +color depth). I would expect that using the same algorithm, a RISC +processor should be able to approach full-screen full-motion animation, +though as you've implied, the processor will be taxed more with highly +dynamic material. +======================================================================== +Sean McMains | Check out the Gopher | Phone:817.565.2039 +University of North Texas | New Bands Info server | Fax :817.565.4060 +P.O. Box 13495 | at seanmac.acs.unt.edu | E-Mail: +Denton TX 76203 | | McMains@unt.edu +";1;True +"From: bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Bill Conner) +Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is +Nntp-Posting-Host: okcforum.osrhe.edu +Organization: Okcforum Unix Users Group +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] +Lines: 54 + + +: In my mind, to say that science has its basis in values is a bit of a +: reach. Science has its basis in observable fact. + +I'd say that what one chooses to observe and how the observation is +interpreted and what significance it's given depends a great deal on +the values of the observer. Science is a human activity and as such, +is subject to the same potential for distortion as any other human +activity. The myth that scientists are above moral influence or +ethical concern, that their knowledge can be abstacted whole and pure +from nature untainted by the biases of the scientist, is nonsense. + +Bill + +: If one is to argue for objective values (in a moral sense) then one must +: first start by demonstrating that morality itself is objective. Considering +: the meaning of the word ""objective"" I doubt that this will ever happen. + +: So, back to the original question: + +: And objective morality is.....? + +This may be an unfortunate choice of words, almost self-contradictory. +Objective in the sense used here means something immutable and +absolute while morality describes the behavior of some group of +people. The first term is all inclusive, the second is specific. The +concept supposedly described may have meaning however. +If there is a God as described by the Christians (for instance), then +He has existence apart from and independent of humankind; His +existence is outside of our frame of reference (reality). If this +being declares a thing to be so, it is -necessarily- so since He has +defined Himself as omnipotent and, if His claims are to be believed, +He is at least omnipotent relative to us. God is intrinsically +self-defined and all reality is whatever He says it is - in an +objective sense. +If God determines a standard of conduct, that standard is objective. +If human beings are held accountable for their conformance to that +standard while permitted to ignore it, they substitute a relative +morality or mode of conduct, giving the term morality a nebulous, +meaningless sense that can be argued about by those pretending to +misunderstand. The standard is objective and the conduct required to +meet that standard is therefore objectively determined. +Just because it is convenient to pretend that the term morality is +infinitely malleable, doesn't mean that the objective standard itself +doesn't exist. Morality has come to mean little more than a cultural +norm, or the preferred conduct of ""decent"" people, making it seem +subjective, but it is derived from an absolute, objective, standard. +Ironically, this objective standard is in perfect accord with our true +nature (according to Christianity at least), yet is condemned as being +contrary to human nre, oppressive and severe. This may be due as + +Bill +much to our amoral inclinations as to the standard itself, but like it +or not, it's there.x +";19;True +"From: ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu (Eli Brandt) +Subject: Re: Would ""clipper"" make a good cover for other encryption method? +Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711 +Lines: 22 + +In article <1993Apr20.032623.3046@eff.org> kadie@eff.org (Carl M. Kadie) writes: +>Clipper might be a good way to cover the use of another layer of +>encryption. + +Could somebody provide an overview of the proposed systems using the +chip? (Ought to see if ATT has a spec sheet) Skipjack sounds like a +normal digital encryption algorithm, so the data path will have to be + voice --> digitize --> compress --> encrypt +Compression will be necessary to fit the data on the wire, unless +they want to wait for ISDN (that we should be so lucky...). Feeding +pre-encrypted data into the compressor will cause it to chuckle at +you; you'd have to tap into the guts of the phone and hack either +the compressed data stream, or selected parts of the output stream +before it hits the modem. Unless you want to pay for two fast +modems on top of the encryption, and just plug the box in between +your phone and the wall. + +>- Carl + + PGP 2 key by finger or e-mail + Eli ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu + +";16;True +"From: rmehta@paul.rutgers.edu (Rahul Mehta) +Subject: Info on Books on BIOS, 286 etc. +Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. +Lines: 18 + + + +Hi Everybody, + + I am interested in the following topics. + +1)BIOS programming on 286 and 386. +2)Memory management in 286 and 386. +3)Developing Visual Basic Custom Controls. + + I would like to have your valuable opinion on the books +that are best in the above topics. Please send a mail to +rmehta@paul.rutgers.edu . I will post a summary of the +suggestions. + + 2**32-1 thanks in advance. + +-Rahul Mehta +";6;True +"From: fang@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Wen-Cheng Fang) +Subject: INFINITY RS-6903 6""x9"" Speakers For Sale (BRAND NEW) +Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network +Distribution: usa +Lines: 23 + +I have a pair of car speakers for sale. They are BRAND NEW, still in box and +plastic wrap. I got them at Highland's going-out-of-business sale just yesterday +However they won't fit my car's rear deck because it's not the right size. +So, I am trying to sale them here. + +INFINITY RS-6903 +6x9 Three-Way +Freq. Resp. 40-22k Hz +Power Capacity: 90 Watts per channel +Sensitivity: 93 dB SPL/1W/1m +Impedance 4 ohms +Mouting Depth 3"" + +List Price $200 +Stereo Store $140-165 + tax +Mail Order Catalog Price $149 + S/H +My Price $120 obo + Shipping + +Please e-mail me at fang@en.ecn.purdue.edu +or call me at (317)743-1394 + +Michael Wen-Cheng Fang + +";8;True +"From: brian@lpl.arizona.edu (Brian Ceccarelli 602/621-9615) +Subject: Re: 14 Apr 93 God's Promise in 1 John 1: 7 +Organization: Lunar & Planetary Laboratory, Tucson AZ. +Lines: 66 + +Brian Kendig writes: + +> Lev 17:11: For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given +> it to you upon the altar to make atonement for your souls; for it is +> the blood that makes atonement for the soul. +> +>The Old Testament was very big on the ""eye for an eye"" business. It +>makes sense that Leviticus would support physical injury to ""repay"" +>moral wrongdoing. + +Brian K., guess what? You missed the point. On a scale from cold to +hot, you are at 0 degrees Kelvin. + +>I know about sanctification. I've been taught all about it in Sunday +>school, catechism class, and theology classes. But even after all +>that, I still can't accept it. Maybe I'm still not understanding it, +>or maybe I'm just understanding it all too well. + +Then as you understand it, what is it? + +>From the bottom of my heart I know that the punishment of an innocent +>man is wrong. + +Yes. I agree with that. But what does that have to do with Jesus? +Punishment you say? Jesus did not regard his death as punishment. + +>I've tried repeatedly over the course of several years +>to accept it, but I just can't. + +Good. I wouldn't either--not the way you understand it. + +>If you can explain to me why the death of Jesus was a *good* thing, +>then I would be very glad to hear it, and you might even convert me. +>Be warned, however, that I've heard all the most common arguments +>before, and they just don't convince me. + +Ask Jesus himself. He himself said why in John 12:23-32. It +isn't a mystery to anyone and there certainly is no need for +a persuasive argument. Read Jesus's own reply to your +question. + +Jesus gives more reasons in John 16:7. But one obvious reason +why Jesus died, (and as with everything else, it has nothing do with +his punishment) was that he could rise to life again--so that +we would ""stop doubting and believe"" (John 21:27). The fact +that Jesus rose from the dead is my hope that I too will rise +from the dead. It is an obvious point. Do not overlook it. +Without this obvious point, I would have no hope +and my faith would be vanity. + +Why did Jesus suffer in his death? Again, ask Jesus. Jesus +says why in John 15:18-25. That's no mystery either. ""The +world hates him without reason."" It is a direct proclamation +of how far we humans botch things up and thus, how much we +need a Saviour. + +And why can't you, Brian K., accept this? How can you? ""The +world cannot accept him because it neither sees him nor knows +him."" (John 14:17). The animosity and the lack of knowledge +that comes out in your twistings of Robert's daily verses is +very convincing testimony of the truth of John 14:17 and 16:25. +I pray and hope that I do blurt out such animosity and lack of +knowledge. I am not perfect either. But regardless of that, I thank +God that Jesus revealed himself to me, without whom I'd also be +bumbling about blindly though arrogantly slandering the very +Person who created me and who loves me. +";19;True +"Subject: roman.bmp 05/14 +From: pwiseman@salmon.usd.edu (Cliff) +Reply-To: pwiseman@salmon.usd.edu (Cliff) +Distribution: usa +Organization: University of South Dakota +Lines: 957 + + +------------ Part 5 of 14 ------------ +M)B9R&KJZ)EVZ=+ITNKH>?7U=PGU]+""Q=?72_=""PU'GT>+,!5C<-S`HFNAIR\'.L74?4W&JVMWWM[=R +MM%:VWK:VMMK16MMZT( +M""`@(""`@(""`@(""`@(""`@(""`@(""`@(""`@(""`@(""`@(""*T5K145MZVMMK:VW;[<5%6\5%15O;Q45 +M;V]O%15OJ*AO%6]O;ZBHJ&\5J`@(""`@(""`@(""`@(""`@(""`@(""`@(""`@(""`@( +M""`@(""`@(""`@(""`@(""`@(""`@(""`@(""`@(""`@(""`@(""!XLPGT>72PL=+HL?1Y= +M'BRZLG1]LK*R71JR&K*ZNM34`DN0T""L!=A.\$Q-VO':?ZY^4,]`1)6Z089""J +M/K.S&+.;""`@(""`@(""`@(""`A+2\@.TXC((,$AW!TBJJ:.?#`P8Z&!5E96X5:4 +ME%9\7%U=75TL+'UT+""PL?2Q]+%U=75TL?1Y]71ZZ?;I]LKJZ7;I=)AJZ""`@( 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+MAX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>' +MAX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX=45%145%145%22DI*2DI*2 +MDI*2DI*2DI*2DI*2DI*2DI*2DI*2DI*2DI*2DI*2DI*2DI*2DI*2DI*2DI*2 +MDI*25%145%145%06%A86%A86%A86%A86%A86%A86%A86%A86%A86RGIZ>GIZ>GK?1T='I:4+""PMF9F;$ +MQ#&'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>' +-------- End of part 5 of 14 -------- + + +";6;True +"From: jr0930@eve.albany.edu (REGAN JAMES P) +Subject: Pascal-Fractals +Organization: State University of New York at Albany + Thanks in advance +Lines: 5 + +-- + ||||||||||| ||||||||||| +_|||||||||||_______________________|||||||||||_ jr0930@eve.albany.edu +-|||||||||||-----------------------|||||||||||- jr0930@Albnyvms.bitnet + ||||||||||| GO HEAVY OR GO HOME ||||||||||| +";1;True +"From: HO@kcgl1.eng.ohio-state.edu (Francis Ho) +Subject: 286 Laptop +Nntp-Posting-Host: kcgl1.eng.ohio-state.edu +Organization: The Ohio State University +Lines: 18 + +MITSBISHI Laptop (MP 286L) + +-286/12 (12,8,6 MHz switchable) +-2M RAM installed +-Backlit CGA (Ext. CGA, MGA) +-20M 3.5""HH HDD/1.44M 3.5"" FDD +-2 COM/1 LPT ports +-complete manual set +-Built like a tank +-Excellent cosmetic cond. +-dark gray +-used very lightly + +Problems: +(1)HDD stops working. +(2)LCD sometimes doesn't work (ext. CAG/MGA works). + +Best Offer. +";8;True +"From: Mikael Fredriksson +Subject: RE-Re: Quadra SCSI Problems??? +X-Mailer: TeleFinder (version 3.0) +Organization: Mac Exchange BBS + BBS +46-31-948290, FAX +46-31-948294 + PL 3813,S-437 92 Lindome, Sweden +Lines: 5 + + +In article , johnston@me.udel.edu (Bill Johnston) writes: +|> In article <1993Apr16.144750.1568@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> nodine@lcs.mit.edu (Mark H. Nodine) writes: +|> >I don't know about the specific problem mentioned in your +|> >message, but I definitely had SCSI problems between my +|> >Q700 and my venerable Jasmine Megadrive 10 cartridge +|> >drives. My solution was to get Silverlining. None of +|> >the loops that involved blind writes worked to the drives; +op that worked was the ""Macintosh +|> >Software"" loop (whatever that means). +|> +|> I doubt this is a Quadra-specific problem. I had to get +|> rid of my ""venerable"" Bernoulli 20 last year (with enough +|> cartridges purchased at ~$90 each to make the whole thing +|> worth more than my whole computer ;). The tech support guys +|> at Ocean Microsystems suggested that some third-party drivers +|> might fix the problem - in my case the cartridges wouldn't +|> format/mount/partition for A/UX. +hat the Megadrives worked perfectly on both my +Mac Plus and my Powerbook 140. It was for this reason I assumed +the problem had something to do with the Quadra. Even with the +Quadra, they mostly worked OK. The problem occurred when I ejected +a cartridge from a drive: it would start popping up dialog boxes +saying ""This cartridge must be formatted with Jasmine Driveware"" +even though there was no cartridge in the drive. + + --Mark +t to format) I have this confirmed from Apple Computer in Sweden (I work for a Apple dealer as a service tech). We had problems that Quadras wanted to format a diskette or a Syquest when ther was nothing in the drive. This problem was fixed sytem 7.1 + +Mikael Fredriksson + +------------------------------------------------- +email: mikael_fredriksson@macexchange.se + +Mac Exchange BBS +PL 3813 +S-437 92 Lindome +Sweden +BBS +46-31-948290 (5 lines) +FAX +46-31-948294 +FIDO 2:203/211 + + +";0;True +"From: gballent@hudson.UVic.CA (Greg Ballentine) +Subject: Re: Wings will win +Nntp-Posting-Host: hudson.uvic.ca +Reply-To: gballent@hudson.UVic.CA +Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada +Lines: 67 + + +In article 735307970@vela.acs.oakland.edu, ragraca@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Randy A. Graca) writes: + +>gballent@hudson.UVic.CA (Greg Ballentine) writes: +> +>>In article 735249453@vela.acs.oakland.edu, ragraca@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Randy A. Graca) writes: +> +>>>I also think that they will have a hard time with Pittsburgh if they +>>>face them in the finals (which is what all the Detroit sportswriters +>>>are predicting). Although I think Bryan Murray is probably the best GM +>>>I have ever seen in hockey +> +>>How do you figure that?? When Bryan Murray took over the Wings they were +>>a pretty good team that was contending for the Stanley Cup but looked +>>unlikely to win it. Now they are a pretty good team that is contending for +>>the Stanley Cup but looks unlikely to win it. A truly great GM would +>>have been able to make the moves to push the team to the upper echelon +>>of the NHL and maybe win the Stanley Cup. A good GM (like Murray) can +>>maintain the team's success but can't push them to the next level. +> +>When Jacques Demers brought the Wings to the conference finals twice a +>few years back, he had everyone on the team giving 100 percent, but he +>had very little talent. He had Yzerman, Bob Probert (who had drinking +>problems at the time), and a couple of decent goaltenders in Hanlon and +>Stefan who got hot. That's about it. Can you name one player on those +>earlier teams who even deserved to be in the all-star game, much less +>actually got there, other than Yzerman and Probert? Like, Petr Klima? +>Give me a break! When they faced Edmonton in both of those conference +>finals, as hard as they played, it was clear they faced a team that simply +>had superior talent to the Wings. That's why they could not get to the +>finals. Also, at that time the Norris division was still the weakest +>division in hockey, and getting past Chicago, and Toronto was not as +>impressive as it is today. +> +>Murray has brought scoring talent to the Wings that they did not have a +>few years ago when Devellano was GM and Demers was coach. To name a few, +>Ysebaert, Kozlov, and Paul Coffey (who has made a definite positive impact on +>the power play especially). + +>Murray has built one of the most talented teams in hockey at the present, with +>the possible exception of the Pittsburgh Penguins. The Wings have at least +>five 30 goal scorers that I can think of, and a couple of defenseman with over +>100 games worth of playoff experience. Murray's one failing is that unlike +>the other GM's you mentioned (who are definitely also good, don't get me +>wrong), he has not found for himself a strong coach to motivate the team to +>go out and give 100 percent for the full 60 minutes every night like they +>did the last time they made a cup run. When a team wins or loses, it's a +>reflection of the GM *and* the coach, which was the point of my original +>post. If the team outmatches their opponent in terms of talent but loses +>anyway (which has been the case this year when the Wings have struggled), +>that indicates that the GM has done his job in building up the team but the +>coach has failed to motivate them. If, as in the case of the last run the +>Wings made in the playoffs before Murray came, they gave opponents a hard +>time who should have beaten them easily, that indicates good coaching making +>up for a lack of talent. + +All of this is fine. I never said that Murray was a bad GM. I merely said +that he isn't the best GM in hockey- or even a contender for that honor. +If Murray is as great as you claim- the Wings would have won the Stanley Cup +by now- probably more than once. If he was as great a GM as you claim +and he was as poor a coach as you claim- he would have been intelligent +enough to hire the coach to push the team to the next level of success. +But Murray is an average (unspectacular) NHL coach and a pretty good GM +so none of this is true anyway. + +Gregmeister + +";13;True +"From: genetic+@pitt.edu (David M. Tate) +Subject: Re: Young Catchers +Article-I.D.: blue.7977 +Organization: Department of Industrial Engineering +Lines: 65 + +mss@netcom.com (Mark Singer) said: +>In article <7862@blue.cis.pitt.edu> genetic+@pitt.edu (David M. Tate) writes: +> +>Well, perhaps if the Braves had no one else worth playing this year it +>would be Lopez in there. But they do have others worth playing, at +>least in *their* opinion. + +Catcher is their weakest position, with the possible exception of second base. +They have a chance to simultaneously replace their biggest offensive problem +spot with a well-above-average offensive player *and* acclimate a highly +promising potential star with no pressure on him to carry the team, and they +want to play *Olson* and *Berryhill* instead?! + +>>I disagree, in that I don't think it *is* a _tangible_ skill, any more than +>>leadership is. I don't deny that it is a *real* skill, and that some catchers +>>may be much better than others at it, but I really don't see any way that we +>>could ever know who they are. Nichols's Law of Catcher Defense is eerily +>>accurate far too often for me to take defensive assessments of catchers very +>>seriously. +> +>Sorry. New. Don't know Nichols' Law. + +""A catcher's defensive reputation will be inversely proportional to his + recent offensive level of performance."" Thus, Mickey Tettleton goes (in + the media) from being a no-hit defensive whiz to a slugging thumb-finger + in two short years. The rule doesn't apply to perceived ""superstars"", who + get the Gold Glove Offensive Transfer effect instead. Greg Olson is probably + considered to be a good defensive catcher precisely because he can't hit. + + +>Don't believe in catchers' +>era. But I am interested in pitchers' eras with different catchers. + +Aren't they the same thing? + +>In other words, we know more than they do, so the only logic behind +>a different decision than we would make must be financial. + +Either that or just stupidity. + +>I presume +>we feel this way about other franchises than Atlanta, no? + +Of course. + +>>Is it fair to the young players? No. Does it make organizational sense? +>>I think it does. +> +>Well if it does make organizational sense, one can hardly fault them +>for their decisions. I mean, please don't tell me how to run my +>business. Especially when I'm being successful. + +One could make the same sort of argument in other cases. Pete Rose, in +pursuing Ty Cobb's record, was a huge gate attraction (and national media +magnet). The Reds made a lot of money off that; they also wasted the prime +of Eric Davis. That may be ""good business"", but that doesn't mean I don't +loathe them for it. + + + +-- + David M. Tate | (i do not know what it is about you that closes + posing as: | and opens; only something in me understands + e e (can | the pocket of your glove is deeper than Pete Rose's) + dy) cummings | nobody, not even Tim Raines, has such soft hands +";14;True +"From: dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren) +Subject: Re: Desertification of the Negev +Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science +Lines: 12 + +This is nonsense. I lived in the Negev for many years and I can say +for sure that no Beduins were ""moved"" or harmed in any way. On the +contrary, their standard of living has climbed sharply; many of them +now live in rather nice, permanent houses, and own cars. There are +quite a few Beduin students in the Ben-Gurion university. There are +good, friendly relations between them and the rest of the population. + +All the Beduins I met would be rather surprised to read Mr. Davidson's +poster, I have to say. + +-Danny Keren. + +";15;True +"From: mmaser@engr.UVic.CA (Michael Maser) +Subject: Re: extraordinary footpeg engineering +Nntp-Posting-Host: uglv.uvic.ca +Reply-To: mmaser@engr.UVic.CA +Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada +Lines: 38 + +--In a previous article, exb0405@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au () says: +-- +-->Okay DoD'ers, here's a goddamn mystery for ya ! +--> +-->Today I was turning a 90 degree corner just like on any other day, but there +-->was a slight difference- a rough spot right in my path caused the suspension +-->to compress in mid corner and some part of the bike hit the ground with a very +-->tangible ""thunk"". I pulled over at first opportunity to sus out the damage. +--== some deleted +--> +-->Barry Manor DoD# 620 confused accidental peg-scraper +--> +--> +--Check the bottom of your pipes Barry -- suspect that is what may +--have hit. I did the same a few years past & thought it was the +--peg but found the bottom of my pipe has made contact & showed a +--good sized dent & scratch. + +-- Believe you'd feel the suddent change on your foot if the peg +--had bumped. As for the piece missing -- contribute that to +--vibration loss. + +Yep, the same thing happened to me on my old Honda 200 Twinstar. + + +***************************************************************************** +* Mike Maser | DoD#= 0536 | SQUID RATING: 5.333333333333333 * +* 9235 Pinetree Rd. |----------------------------------------------* +* Sidney, B.C., CAN. | Hopalonga Twinfart Yuka-Yuka EXCESS 400 * +* V8L-1J1 | wish list: Tridump, Mucho Guzler, Burley * +* home (604) 656-6131 | Thumpison, or Bimotamoeba * +* work (604) 721-7297 |*********************************************** +* mmaser@sirius.UVic.CA |JOKE OF THE MONTH: What did the gay say to the* +* University of Victoria | Indian Chief ? * +* news: rec.motorcycles | ANSWER: Can I bum a couple bucks ? * +***************************************************************************** + + +";7;True +"From: rogers@calamari.hi.com (Andrew Rogers) +Subject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition? +Organization: Flames 'R Us +Lines: 13 +NNTP-Posting-Host: calamari.hi.com + +In article <1993Apr15.153729.13738@walter.bellcore.com> jchen@ctt.bellcore.com writes: +>Chinese, and many other Asians (Japanese, Koreans, etc) have used +>MSG as flavor enhancer for two thousand years. Do you believe that +>they knew how to make MSG from chemical processes? Not. They just +>extracted it from natural food such sea food and meat broth. + +And to add further fuel to the flame war, I read about 20 years ago that +the ""natural"" MSG - extracted from the sources you mention above - does not +cause the reported aftereffects; it's only that nasty ""artificial"" MSG - +extracted from coal tar or whatever - that causes Chinese Restaurant +Syndrome. I find this pretty hard to believe; has anyone else heard it? + +Andrew +";4;True +"From: willis@oracle.SCG.HAC.COM (Stan Willis) +Subject: Series 1, game 1; Kings 6 @ Flames 3 +Reply-To: willis@empire.dnet.hac.com (Stan Willis) +Organization: none +Lines: 269 + +1992-93 Los Angeles Kings notes and game reports. +------------------------------------------------- +Kings 6 @ Calgary Flames 3 - 04/18/93 + +The third place Kings opened the 1993 Stanley Cup Playoffs in Calgary, against +the second place Flames and came out with an impressive 6-3 victory in front of +a non-sellout crowd of 18,605 at the Saddledome in Calgary. + +Symthe Division playoff hockey this was. Both teams seemed a bit tense in the +opening period though the Kings scored off the opening face-off. The Kings got +into the flow of the game much earlier than the Flames as they played out- +standing team defense. It took the Flames 9:45 of the first period to record +their first shot on goal. The Kings, ranked 16th of the 16 playoff teams on +penalty killing, shut down the Flames. The Flames went 0-8 on the power play +and could record only 8 shot on goal in those 8 opportunities. The Kings had +their problems on the power play, yet they did manager to score 2 goals in 10 +tries. + +The Kings forwards back-checked while the defense stood the Flames up at the +blue line, allowing the Kings to take took the home ice advantage away from the +Flames. Rob Blake missed the game due to the lower back contusion but is ex- +pected to be in the lineup on Wednesday. Wayne Gretzky suffered a charlie horse +in his right leg. He took a few shifts in the second period before retiring to +the dressing room for the rest of the game. Interviewed on the radio this +morning, he stated that he was fine and would be in the lineup on Wednesday. + +1st period: +1-0. The Kings got things started right off the opening face-off. Gretzky won +the draw with the puck going to Sydor. He crossed center ice and slapped the +puck into the Flames zone and behind the net. The puck carried around to the +far side where Robitaille wacked at it and the rebound bounced to Sandstrom. He +put the puck behind the Flames net where Gretzky picked it up. Gretzky set up +in 'his office', moved to the near side and passed into the near circle where +Sydor had moved in. Sydor, who got the puck between the face-off dot and the +hash mark, shot off the pass, beating Vernon low and between the legs. + +Millen and Fleury went off at 4:57. Skrudland went off at 12:25 but the Kings +failed to convert. Carson went off at 14:53 and the Flames failed to convert. +Dahlquist went off at 18:34 and Dahl went off at 19:30, giving the Kings a 30 +second 5on3 which they failed to convert. The Kings recorded 2 goal posts in +the period. + +2nd period: +The Kings opened with a 5on3 carried over from the 1st period which they failed +to convert on. With 6 seconds left in the 5on4, Vernon put a bouncing puck into +the stands and received a delay of game. + +1-1. Calgary evened the score on the ensuing Kings power play. Kurri, with the +puck in the neutral zone, tried to put the puck into the Flames zone but it hit +the stick of Fleury and bounced to Suter at the Flames blue line. Suter skated +down the near wing and into the Kings zone. He faked a shot at the circle and +skated around Kurri. As he cut thorugh the crease, he got Hrudey to go with him +and he put the puck behind Hrudey, on his stick side for a short hander. + +2-1. The Kings reclaimed the lead 25 seconds later on the same power play. +Shuchuk, in the far circle passed to Sydor at the top of the slot and headed +for the net. Sydors shot hit Shuchuk in the back and dropped into the low slot +where 2 Kings (Shuchuk and Granato) were being checked by 3 Flames. Carson +came from the far corner, picked up the loose puck and snapped a wrist shot +between the legs of Vernon from 5 feet above the crease. + +3-1. The Kings widened their lead just 24 seconds later. Rychel was checked off +the puck at the Flames blue line. Taylor picked up the puck and sent a pass +cross the slot to Huddy. Huddy shot off the pass, from the near face-off dot, +beating a diving Vernon on the glove side. + +4-1. 2:59 later, the Kings had a 3 goal lead. McSorley took a shot form the +near point that hit a Flame and deflected towards the boards. Marty got his +own rebound, skated to the bottom of the circle and sent a pass into the low +slot that hit Dahlquist on the leg and deflected past the stick of Vernon. + +Skrudland went off at 10:53 but the Kings could not convert. Sydor went off at +12:35 and Watters went off at 14:40, giving the Flames a 5 second 5-3 but they +failed to convert. McSorley went off at 17:19 and the Flames had 3 consecutive +power plays but the Flames killed it themselves when Suter went off for high +sticking at 17:31. Sandstrom went off at 18:03 to close out the period. The +Kings hit 3 goal post in the period. + +3rd period: +The Kings used the phrase ""Initiate, not retaliate"" and it was very evident here +in the 3rd period as the Kings continued to pound the body and the Flames +continued to take bad penalties to take themselves out of the game. + +5-1. The Kings extended their lead to 4 goals at the 1:06 mark. The Kings shot +the puck into the near corner of the Flames zone. Vernon went behind the net to +cut off the puck but he could not control it. Donnelly, who was behind him, +wacked at the puck, sending it into the low slot. As Vernon slid back in to the +crease, Granato got a shot that hit a Flame and bounced to the left of the net +where Millen fired the rebound behind Vernon. + +Sydor went off at 1:24; Nieuwendyk went off at 3:22 as the teams skated 4 on 4. + +5-2. Otto, skating down the far side, stepped around McSorley, cut to the net +and passed to Dahlquist in the low slot. Dahlquist cut through the top of the +crease and put the puck in under a diving Hrudey. + +Carson and Rychel came in on a 2-1. When Carson passed across to Rychel, Fleury +tripped Rychel with no call. The puck got shoveled into the far corner where +Fleury knocked Rychel down and checked him from behind into the boards, drawing +a 5-minute major and a game misconduct at the 6:08 mark. Unfortunately, the +Kings squandered the 5 minute power play when Granato (at 6:44) and Watters (at +8:19) took penalties. + +5-3. The Flames closed to within 2 at the 8:47 mark. MacInnis, at the near +point, passed to Yawney at the far point. He took a few strides towards the +net, wound up and drove a shot off the near post and in over the glove of +Hrudey. The play started on another faceoff that the Kings lost. Timeout - LA. + +6-3. MacInnis took a penalty at 9:56 and the Kings converted on the power play +to seal the victory. Sandstrom, skating down the far wing in the Flames zone +cut towards the back of the net. Just as he crossed the goal line, he passed +the puck into the low slot, on the far side, to Carson who shot off the pass, +beating Vernon on the ice, stick side. + +At the 16:17 mark, Skrudland went off for slashing and Stern went crazy as he +went after Shuchuk. Stern wound up with a double minor for roughing, a single +minor for cross checking and a 10 minute misconduct, and he took the Flames +right out of the game. + +On the plus side: The Kings, for the most part, played very disciplined hockey +as they let Calgary retaliate. The Kings played good team defense and excellent +penalty killing. + +On the minus side: The Kings lost almost every face-off. This must improve or +the Flames will surely get that power play back on track. + +Notes: +------ +The Kings recalled Guy Leveque, Brandy Semchuk and Jim Thomson from Phoenix. + +Wayne Gretzkys 1st period assist was his 307th career playoff point. + +The Kings entered the game 24th in the league in shots per game against, giving +the opposing team an average of 34.4 shots per game. + +Flames goaltender Mike Vernon entered the game with a 3-9-1 record in afternoon +games. The Flames entered the game with a 34% success rate on the power play +over their last 9 games. + +The teams were 3-3-1 against each other in the regular season. + +Playoffs: +Campbell Conference: +Smythe Division: +LA 6 @ CAL 3 LA leads 1-0 +WIN @ VAN + +Norris Division: +STL 4 @ CHI 3 STL leads 1-0 +TOR @ DET + +Wales Conference: +Adams Division: +BUF 5 @ BOS 4 (OT) BUF leads 1-0 +MON 2 @ QUE 3 (OT) QUE leads 1-0 + +Patrick Division: +NJ 3 @ PIT 6 PIT leads 1-0 +NYI 1 @ WAS 3 WAS leads 1-0 + +Records: +-------- +vs Smythe Norris Patrck Adams Overall +================================================ +Home: 0- 0-0 0-0-0 0-0-0 0-0-0 0- 0-0 +Road: 1- 0-0 0-0-0 0-0-0 0-0-0 1- 0-0 +============================================================== +Total: 1- 0-0 0-0-0 0-0-0 0-0-0 1- 0-0 + +Box Score: +========================= +Calgary 0 1 2 - 3 +Los Angeles 1 3 2 - 6 +========================= + +1st period: +LA Sydor 1 (Gretzky, Sandstrom), 0:16 + LA Millen - high sticking, 4:57 + CAL Fleury - high sticking, 4:57 + CAL Skrudland - interference, 12:25 + LA Carson - tripping 14:53 + CAL Dahlquist - holding stick, 18:34 + CAL Dahl - roughing 19:30 + +2nd period: + CAL Verson - delay of game (served by Ashton), 1:34 +CAL Suter 1 (Fleury), 2:48 (sh) +LA Carson 1 (Shuchuk, Sydor), 3:13 (pp) +LA Huddy 1 (Taylor, Rychel), 3:37 +LA McSorley 1 (unassisted), 6:36 + CAL Skrudland - elbowing, 10:53 + LA Sydor - tripping, 12:35 + LA Watters- hooking, 14:40 + LA McSorley - holding, 17:19 + CAL Suter - high sticking, 17:31 + LA Sandstrom - hooking, 18:03 + +3rd period: +LA Millen 1 (Granato, Donnelly), 1:06 + LA Sydor - hooking, 1:24 + CAL Nieuwendyk - tripping, 3:22 +CAL Dahlquist 1 (Otto), 4:23 + CAL Fleury - major (boarding), game misconduct, 6:08 + LA Granato - tripping, 6:44 + LA Watters - interference, 8:19 +CAL Yawney 1 (MacInnis, Reichel), 8:47 + CAL MacInnis - roughing, 9:56 +LA Carson 2 (Sandstrom, Robitaille), 10:32 (pp) + LA Hardy - holding, 11:38 + CAL Skrudland - slashing, 16:17 + CAL Stern - double roughing, cross-checking, 10 min. misconduct, 16:17 + +Overtime: none + +Shots: +------ +Los Angeles 8 9 14 - 31 +Calgary 5 8 11 - 24 + +Power play conversions: +----------------------- +For: 2 of 10; for the year: 2 of 10, 20.00% +Against: 0 of 8; for the year: 8 of 8, 100.00% + +Goalies: +-------- +Los Angeles - Hrudey (1-0-0) +Calgary - Vernon (0-1-0) + +Attendance: 18,605 + +Scratches: +---------- +Rob Blake - back contusion +Guy Leveque - numbers +Lonnie Loach - numbers +Marc Potvin - numbers +Brandy Semchuk - numbers +Robb Stauber - numbers +Brent Thompson - numbers +Jim Thomson - numbers + +Lines - Forwards: +---------------- +*Robitaille - Gretzky - Sandstrom +Donnelly - Millen - Kurri +Rychel - Conacher - Taylor +Granato - Carson - Shuchuk + +Lines - Defense: +---------------- +*Huddy - Sydor +Watters - Zhitnik +Hardy - McSorley + +* denotes starting lineup + +Next game: +---------- +Wednesday, April 21 @ Calgary Flames; 6:30pm Pacific Time on Prime Ticket +=============================================================================== +Stan Willis (willis@empire.dnet.hac.com) +net contact: L.A. Kings + + >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> + talk with the L.A. Kings Mailing List ...... kings@cs.stanford.edu + to subscribe or unsubscribe: ....... kings-request@cs.stanford.edu + <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< +================================================================================ +";13;True +"From: mor@expo.lcs.mit.edu (Ralph Mor) +Subject: Re: Tom Gaskins Pexlib vs Phigs Programming Manuals (O'Reilly) +Organization: X Consortium, MIT Laboratory for Computer Science +Lines: 49 + +merlin@neuro.usc.edu (merlin) writes: + +>Could someone explain the difference between Tom Gaskins' two books: + +> o PEXLIB Programming Manual +> o PHIGS Programming Manual + +>Why would I want to buy one book vs the other book? I have an 80386 +>running SCO UNIX (X11R4) on my desktop, a SUN IV/360 in my lab, and +>access to a variety of other systems (Alliant FX/2800, Cray Y/MP) on +>the network. Mostly, we would like to do 3D modeling/visualization +>of rat, rabbit, monkey, and human brain structure. + +Rather than decide which book you want to buy, you need to decide which +programming interface you want to use, then buy the appropriate book. + +I wrote an article for the X Resource which discusses the differences +between PHIGS and PEXlib (it will appear in Issue 6 which should be out +pretty soon). But here's a brief summary... + +PHIGS is a graphics API which was designed to be portable to many +devices. Most implementations support the X Window System and take +advantage of a 3D extension to X called ""PEX"". PEXlib is a slightly +""lower"" level API which was designed to efficiently support the PEX +extension to X. + +Some advantages of using PEXlib... +- Integrates with Xlib,Xt,Motif,etc. better than PHIGS +- Provides immediate mode capabilities +- Is free of ""policy"" +- PEX supports PHIGS, but is currently being extended to support + features not found in PHIGS (like texture mapping, anti-aliasing). + PEXlib will give you access to all of these features. + +Some advantages of using PHIGS... +- Support for multiple devices, not just X based ones +- Support for archiving, metafiles, hardcopy output +- PHIGS has predefined input devices to make input easier +- PHIGS can handle exposure events and resizing for you +- PHIGS can help you with colormap selection/creation. + +If you're working strictly in X and don't care about things like +archiving, I would go with PEXlib. Either way, you will find that +both API's have a lot in common. + +Ralph Mor +MIT X Consortium + + +";1;True +"From: ferch@ucs.ubc.ca (Les Ferch) +Subject: Re: When is Apple going to ship CD300i's? +Organization: The University of British Columbia +Lines: 5 +NNTP-Posting-Host: swiss.ucs.ubc.ca + +Note that if you get the external CD300 for your Centris or Q800 you will +miss out on the sound mixing feature unless you are willing to run a wire +from the motherboard sound input connector to the stereo output on the CD. +Connecting to the sound input port on the back of the computer won't do +unless you can live with mono. +";0;True +"From: mangoe@cs.umd.edu (Charley Wingate) +Subject: Re: A Little Too Satanic +Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742 +Lines: 43 + +Jon Livesey writes: + +>So why do I read in the papers that the Qumram texts had ""different +>versions"" of some OT texts. Did I misunderstand? + +Reading newspapers to learn about this kind of stuff is not the best idea in +the world. Newspaper reporters are notoriously ignorant on the subject of +religion, and are prone to exaggeration in the interests of having a ""real"" +story (that is, a bigger headline). + +Let's back up to 1935. At this point, we have the Masoretic text, the +various targums (translations/commentaries in aramaic, etc.), and the +Septuagint, the ancient greek translation. The Masoretic text is the +standard Jewish text and essentially does not vary. In some places it has +obvious corruptions, all of which are copied faithfully from copy to copy. +These passages in the past were interpreted by reference to the targums and +to the Septuagint. + +Now, the septuagint differs from the masoretic text in two particulars: +first, it includes additional texts, and second, in some passages there are +variant readings from the masoretic text (in addition to ""fixing""/predating +the various corrupted passages). It must be emphasized that, to the best of +my knowledge, these variations are only signifcant to bible scholars, and +have little theological import. + +The dead sea scroll materials add to this an ancient *copy* of almost all of +Isaiah and fragments of various sizes of almost all other OT books. There +is also an abundance of other material, but as far as I know, there is no +sign there of any hebrew antecdent to the apocrypha (the extra texts in the +septuagint). As far as analysis has proceeded, there are also variations +between the DSS texts and the masoretic versions. These tend to reflect the +septuagint, where the latter isn't obviously in error. Again, though, the +differences (thus far) are not significant theologically. There is this big +expectation that there are great theological surprises lurking in the +material, but so far this hasn't happened. + +The DSS *are* important because there is almost no textual tradition in the +OT, unlike for the NT. +-- +C. Wingate + ""The peace of God, it is no peace, + + but strife closed in the sod. +mangoe@cs.umd.edu + Yet, brothers, pray for but one thing: +tove!mangoe + the marv'lous peace of God."" +";9;True +"From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) +Subject: Re: Now along comes Mr Keith Schneider and says ""Here is an ""objective +>moral system"". And then I start to ask him about the definitions +>that this ""objective"" system depends on, and, predictably, the whole +>thing falls apart. + +It only falls apart if you attempt to apply it. This doesn't mean that +an objective system can't exist. It just means that one cannot be +implemented. + +keith +";9;True +"From: koontzd@phobos.lrmsc.loral.com (David Koontz ) +Subject: Will FEDs troll for mutilated law enforcement blocks? +Originator: koontzd@phobos +Organization: Loral Rolm Computer Systems +Lines: 121 + +From Denning: + + the Skipjack encryption algorithm + F, an 80-bit family key that is common to all chips + N, a 30-bit serial number + U, an 80-bit secret key that unlocks all messages encrypted with the chip + + E[M; K], the encrypted message stream, and + E[E[K; U] + N; F], a law enforcement block. + +Where the session key is K, and is transmitted encrypted in the unit Key U. +Which along with the serial number N is encrypted in the Family key F. + +Presumably the protocol can be recovered (if by nothing else, differential +analysis). + +Postulate if you will, a chip (or logic) sitting between the clipper chip +and its communications channel. The function of this spoof chip is twofold: + + 1) Transmit Channel + + The spoof chip XORs the 30 bit encrypted serial number with + a secondary keying variable. This renders the serial number + unrecoverable with just the family key + + 2) Receive Channel + + The spoof chip XORs the incoming encrypted serial number + with a secondary keying variable (assuming integrity of the + law enforcement block is necessary for local operation - + checksums, sequence control, etc.). + +This has the net result of hiding the serial number. It is probable theere is +a known plaintext pattern used as a filler in the block containing N (34 bits +as used in generating U, U1,U2) correctness of the law enforcement block +can be determined with only the family key F. Whereas, no one has proposed +Federal Agencies be denied F, and because they could recover it themselves, +The correctness of the serial number can be tested by examining the pad bits +of N in E[N; F]. + +The one could selectively alter the law enforcement block as above, but the +mutilation could be detected. A better approach would be to mutilate the +entire law enforcement block. If it were done with a group encryption scheme +such as DES or (presumably) Skipjack, the chances the law enforcement block +can be recovered are lessened. + +What do you want to bet the transmission protocol can be recognized and the +serial numbers decrypted in a target search? When digital transmission +becomes widely available, would there be a requirement that clipper protocol +transmissions be refused when containing mutilated law enforcement blocks? + +One way to avoid notice, would be to spoof protocol information of the block +containing M, as well as spoofing the law enforcement block. + +The goal is to use a secure communications scheme, without redress to +detection or key K interception (contained encrypted within the law +enforcement block). The data stream is returned to its original state +for use by the clipper chip (or system) if required, for proper operation. + +It is somewhat improbable that the entire protocol will be contained within +the clipper chip, yet likely that sequence of events will be tested for, +requiring a valid law enforcement block to be received before accepting +and decrypting E(M; K); + +The spoof chip could be implemented anywhere in the protocols, including +on the resulting serial data stream. Existing clipper products could +be subborned. After all, they are high security encryption systems right? + +Super encipherment/encryption could allow the chip to be used without +redress to detection of the use of the chip, or disclosure of the serial +number. Security must be adequate to deny the serial number, which should +not be recoverable by other means. One can see the use of cut outs for +procurring clipper phones, or once the number of units is high enough, +stealing them. It would be a mistake on the part of authority, but nice +from a point of privacy, if the serial number N were not associated with +a particular clipper chip or lot of chips through the manufacturing and +distribution process. Hopefully the list of known missing or stolen +clipper serial numbers N encrypted with F, and the protocols are not +sufficient plaintext to attact the super encrypted clipper stream. +This could be further made difficult by altering the temporal and or +spatial relationship of the clipper stream to that of the super encrypted +stream. + +Detection of an encrypted stream could tip off the use of the aforementioned +scheme. + +****************************************************************************** + +If you could capture valid law enforcement blocks not your own, and use +them in a codebook sustitution with your own, where they point to a valid +law enforcement block stored in a library utilizing a session key matching +the remainder of the transmission, you could simply out and out lie, yet +deliver to monitoring and/or hostile forces a seemingly valid law enforcement +block. These captured law enforcement blocks would be used as authenticators, +such as in a manually keyed encryption system. Fending this off would require +escalation in examining the protocols and blocks in the transmission. + +The M code stream might be independently attacked based on knowledge of +clipper chip protocols as revealed plaintext. This could be invalidated +by changing the temporal and or spatial relationship of the clipper M stream +and the actual transmitted stream, under the control of a secure key +generator synchronized between endpoints. + +The useful life time of captured law enforcement blocks might be limited +based on hostile forces using them as targets following transmission +interception. You would need a large number of them, but, hey there's +supposed to be millions of these things, right? Adding time stamps to +the encrypted law enforcement block is probably impractical, who wants +an encryption chip with a real time clock? + +***************************************************************************** + +The entire idea of the law enforcement block can be invalidated. + + + + + + + + +";16;True +"From: jrwaters@eos.ncsu.edu (JACK ROGERS WATERS) +Subject: Re: GOT MY BIKE! (was Wanted: Advice on CB900C Purchase) +Keywords: CB900C, purchase, advice +Organization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos +Lines: 33 + +In article <1993Apr16.142831.13635@ll.mit.edu> jburnside@ll.mit.edu (jamie w burnside) writes: +>-- +>In article <1993Apr16.005131.29830@ncsu.edu>, jrwaters@eos.ncsu.edu +>(JACK ROGERS WATERS) writes: +>|>> +>|>>>Being a reletively new reader, I am quite impressed with all the usefull +>|>>>info available on this newsgroup. I would ask how to get my own DoD number, +>|>>>but I'll probably be too busy riding ;-). +>|>> +>|>> Does this count? +>|> +>|>Yes. He thought about it. +>|>> +>|>>$ cat dod.faq | mailx -s ""HAHAHHA"" jburnside@ll.mit.edu (waiting to press +>|>> return...) +> +>Hey, c'mon guys (and gals), I chose my words very carefully and even +>tried to get my FAQ's straight. Don't holler BOHICA at me! +> +Around here, even mentioning the DoD without a number in your .sig +can get you soundly FAQed. Notice, however, that I myself did +not FAQ the careful monk. He was, after all, waiting to press return. + + +Jack Waters II +DoD#1919 + +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ +~ I don't fear the thief in the night. Its the one that comes in the ~ +~ afternoon, when I'm still asleep, that I worry about. ~ +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ + + +";7;True +"From: kde@boi.hp.com (Keith Emmen) +Subject: Re: Biblical Backing of Koresh's 3-02 Tape (Cites enclosed) +Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho +X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1scd1 PL4 +Lines: 11 + +xcpslf@oryx.com (stephen l favor) writes: +: : Seems to me Koresh is yet another messenger that got killed +: : for the message he carried. (Which says nothing about the +: : character of the messenger.) I reckon we'll have to find out +: : the rest the hard way. +: : +: +: Koresh was killed because he wanted lots of illegal guns. + +I haven't heard of ANY illegal guns being found. He was accused +of not paying taxes on LEGAL guns. +";19;True +"From: strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) +Subject: Re: The Escrow Database. +Organization: DSI/USCRPAC +Lines: 17 + +In article tcmay@netcom.com (Timothy C. May) writes: + +> +>After the Waco Massacre and the Big Brother Wiretap Chip, any tactic +>is fair. + +This is pernicious nonsense! + +David + + + +-- +David Sternlight Great care has been taken to ensure the accuracy of + our information, errors and omissions excepted. + + +";16;True +"From: Nigel@dataman.demon.co.uk (Nigel Ballard) +Subject: Re: Sarchoidosis +Distribution: world +Organization: Infamy Inc. +Reply-To: Nigel@dataman.demon.co.uk +X-Newsreader: Simple NEWS 1.90 (ka9q DIS 1.21) +Lines: 34 + +>> Hello, +>>Does anybody know if sarchoidosis is a mortem desease ? +>>(i.e if someone who tooke this desease can be kill +>>bye this one ?) +> +>People have died from sarcoid, but usually it is not +>fatal and is treatable. +>---------------------------------------------------------------------------- +>Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and +>geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" +>---------------------------------------------------------------------------- + +Hi there +I'm suffering from Sarcoidosis at present. Although it's shown as a +chronic & rare tissue disorder, it is thankfully NOT life threatening. + +The very worsed thing that can happen to a non-treated sufferer is +glaucoma. My specialists are bombarding me with Prednisolone E.C. (a +cortico-steriod) and after four months at 20mg a day, it's totally done +away with my enlarged lymph glands, so somethings happening for the +good! + +Cheers Nigel + + ************************************************************************ + * NIGEL BALLARD | INT: nigel@dataman.demon.co.uk | MEXICAN FOOD * + * BOURNEMOUTH | CIS: 100015.2644 RADIO-G1HOI | GUINNESS ON TAP * + * UNITED KINGDOM | AMAZING! and all down two wires | TALL SKINNY WOMEN * + ************************************************************************ + Two penguins are walking along an iceberg. The first penguin turns to + the second penguin and says ""it looks like you are wearing a tuxedo."" + The second penguin turns to the first penguin and says, ""maybe I am."" + ************************************************************************ + +";4;True +"From: na4@vax5.cit.cornell.edu +Subject: KREME +Distribution: rec +Organization: Cornell University +Lines: 8 + +Hi folks! + +Recently saw one post about KREME being a *bad idea*, but that was only +one man's opinion. + +Any one else have any experience with the stuff? + + +";7;True +"From: VEAL@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) +Subject: Re: What to do if you shoot somebody +Lines: 29 +Organization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education + +In article <93108.025818U28037@uicvm.uic.edu> Jason Kratz writes: + +>I have heard many opinions on this subject and would like to hear more from +>the people on the net. +> +>Say you're in a situation where you have to pull a gun on somebody. You +>give them a chance to get away but they decided to continue in their +>action anyway and you end up shooting and killing them. My question is +>what do you do? Should you stay and wait for the cops or should you +>collect your brass (if you're using a semi-auto) and get out of there +>(provided of course you don't think that you have been seen)? + + As a data point from Tennessee, a friend of mine and a police +officer essentially recommends that if you can, fade away. Even if +you were perfectly justified you're likely in for a great deal of +hassle. (A side note, carrying a gun concealed is a misdemeanor.) + +>What kind +>of laws are on the books regarding this type of situation? What would +>be the most likely thing to happen to you if you stayed and waited and +>it was a first offense? What would happen if you took off but someone +>saw you and you were caught? + + It's one of those ""by State"" things, pretty much. +------------------------------------------------------------------------ +David Veal Univ. of Tenn. Div. of Cont. Education Info. Services Group +PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu - ""I still remember the way you laughed, the day +your pushed me down the elevator shaft; I'm beginning to think you don't +love me anymore."" - ""Weird Al"" +";3;True +"From: pat@rwing.UUCP (Pat Myrto) +Subject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption +Distribution: na +Organization: Totally Unorganized +Lines: 281 + +In article <1993Apr19.130132.12650@afterlife.ncsc.mil> rlward1@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Robert Ward) writes: +>In article bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de writes: +>>and since the US constitutions guarantees the right to every American +>>to bear arms, why is not every American entitled, as a matter of +> +>Have you read the applicable part of the Constitution and interpreted it IN +>CONTEXT? If not, please do so before posting this misinterpretation again. +>It refers to the right of the people to organize a militia, not for individuals +>to carry handguns, grenades, and assault rifles. + +Read it again yourself, then re-apply the admonition you gave to the +previous poster to yourself, as well. The first clause is not a condition, +it is a reason for explicitly supporting the right WHICH EXISTS, MILITIA +OR NOT, that the people have a right to keep and bear arms. This is +NOT a right granted by the Constitution, it is a right presumed to exist +by default. The Constitution mentioning a right is to prevent the +government from removing that right by stating very clearly the government +shall NOT infringe (mess with, block, limit) that right. Remember the +Constitution is a bunch of negative things - things the government CANNOT +do. All rights, etc not epxressly given to the government go to the +states and the PEOPLE (the same people the other 9 Amendments in the +Bill of Rights talk about). + +Since I am sure you will summarily reject my interpretation, I am +appending a linguistic analysis by one far more expert than myself (and +you, I suspect). I am sure you will find his qualifications adequate. +If that isn't enough I can send you the Senate Subcommitee to the +Judiciary on the Constitution report on the same thing... There are +some things in there that Big Brother types, like Biden, etc must have +really had to swallow hard to admit. + +I think you will find that people that seriously study the Constitution +and state what it means will say the same thing. Those who come up +with 'new improved meanings' are those who are trying to subvert the +Constitution for a given agenda. Like Clinton and his Clinton Cripple, +Gun Control, People Control, and Control Control, and the whole nasty +mess. + +Please tell us how this person is in error, won't you? (And please back it +up with some proof, since I am backing my assertion up with independent +proof, and have a BUNCH MORE I can provide...). + +NOTE: Followups set to talk.politics.guns + +--------- Begin included article ------- + + THE UNABRIDGED SECOND AMENDMENT + + by J. Neil Schulman + +If you wanted to know all about the Big Bang, you'd ring up Carl Sagan, +right ? And if you wanted to know about desert warfare, the man to call +would be Norman Schwarzkopf, no question about it. But who would you call +if you wanted the top expert on American usage, to tell you the meaning +of the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution ? + +That was the question I asked A.C. Brocki, editorial coordinator of the Los +Angeles Unified School District and formerly senior editor at Houghton +Mifflin Publishers -- who himself had been recommended to me as the +foremost expert on English usage in the Los Angeles school system. Mr. +Brocki told me to get in touch with Roy Copperud, a retired professor +journalism at the University of Southern California and the author of +""American Usage and Style: The Consensus."" + +A little research lent support to Brocki's opinion of Professor Copperud's +expertise. + +Roy Copperud was a newspaper writer on major dailies for over three decades +before embarking on a a distinguished 17-year career teaching journalism at +USC. Since 1952, Copperud has been writing a column dealing with the +professional aspects of journalism for ""Editor and Publisher"", a weekly +magazine focusing on the journalism field. + +He's on the usage panel of the American Heritage Dictionary, and Merriam +Webster's Usage Dictionary frequently cites him as an expert. Copperud's +fifth book on usage, ""American Usage and Style: The Consensus,"" has been in +continuous print from Van Nostrand Reinhold since 1981, and is the winner +of the Association of American Publisher's Humanities Award. + +That sounds like an expert to me. + +After a brief telephone call to Professor Copperud in which I introduced +myself but did not give him any indication of why I was interested, I sent +the following letter: + +""I am writing you to ask you for your professional opinion as an expert in +English usage, to analyze the text of the Second Amendment to the United +States Constitution, and extract the intent from the text. + +""The text of the Second Amendment is, 'A well-regulated Militia, being +necessary for the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep +and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.' + +""The debate over this amendment has been whether the first part of the +sentence, 'A well-regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a +free State', is a restrictive clause or a subordinate clause, with respect +to the independent clause containing the subject of the sentence, 'the +right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.' + +""I would request that your analysis of this sentence not take into +consideration issues of political impact or public policy, but be restricted +entirely to a linguistic analysis of its meaning and intent. Further, +since your professional analysis will likely become part of litigation +regarding the consequences of the Second Amendment, I ask that whatever +analysis you make be a professional opinion that you would be willing to +stand behind with your reputation, and even be willing to testify under +oath to support, if necessary."" + +My letter framed several questions about the test of the Second Amendment, +then concluded: + +""I realize that I am asking you to take on a major responsibility and task +with this letter. I am doing so because, as a citizen, I believe it is +vitally important to extract the actual meaning of the Second Amendment. +While I ask that your analysis not be affected by the political importance of +its results, I ask that you do this because of that importance."" + +After several more letters and phone calls, in which we discussed terms for +his doing such an analysis, but in which we never discussed either of our +opinions regarding the Second Amendment, gun control, or any other political +subject, Professor Copperud sent me the follow analysis (into which I have +inserted my questions for the sake of clarity): + +[Copperud:] ""The words 'A well-regulated militia, being necessary to the +security of a free state,' contrary to the interpretation cited in your +letter of July 26, 1991, constitutes a present participle, rather than a +clause. It is used as an adjective, modifying 'militia,' which is +followed by the main clause of the sentence (subject 'the right', verb +'shall'). The to keep and bear arms is asserted as an essential for +maintaining a militia. + +""In reply to your numbered questions: + +[Schulman:] ""(1) Can the sentence be interpreted to grant the right to keep +and bear arms solely to 'a well-regulated militia'?"" + +[Copperud:] ""(1) The sentence does not restrict the right to keep and bear +arms, nor does it state or imply possession of the right elsewhere or by +others than the people; it simply makes a positive statement with respect +to a right of the people."" + +[Schulman:] ""(2) Is 'the right of the people to keep and bear arms' granted +by the words of the Second Amendment, or does the Second Amendment assume a +preexisting right of the people to keep and bear arms, and merely state +that such right 'shall not be infringed'?"" + +[Copperud:] ""(2) The right is not granted by the amendment; its existence +is assumed. The thrust of the sentence is that the right shall be +preserved inviolate for the sake of ensuring a militia."" + +[Schulman:] ""(3) Is the right of the people to keep and bear arms +conditioned upon whether or not a well regulated militia, is, in fact +necessary to the security of a free State, and if that condition is not +existing, is the statement 'the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, +shall not be infringed' null and void?"" + +[Copperud:] ""(3) No such condition is expressed or implied. The right to +keep and bear arms is not said by the amendment to depend on the existence +of a militia. No condition is stated or implied as to the relation of the +right to keep and bear arms and to the necessity of a well-regulated +militia as a requisite to the security of a free state. The right to keep +and bear arms is deemed unconditional by the entire sentence."" + +[Schulman:] ""(4) Does the clause 'A well-regulated Militia, being necessary +to the security of a free State,' grant a right to the government to place +conditions on the 'right of the people to keep and bear arms,' or is such +right deemed unconditional by the meaning of the entire sentence?"" + +[Copperud:] ""(4) The right is assumed to exist and to be unconditional, as +previously stated. It is invoked here specifically for the sake of the +militia."" + +[Schulman:] ""(5) Which of the following does the phrase 'well-regulated +militia' mean: 'well-equipped', 'well-organized,' 'well-drilled,' +'well-educated,' or 'subject to regulations of a superior authority'?"" + +[Copperud:] ""(5) The phrase means 'subject to regulations of a superior +authority;' this accords with the desire of the writers for civilian +control over the military."" + +[Schulman:] ""(6) (If at all possible, I would ask you to take account the +changed meanings of words, or usage, since that sentence was written 200 +years ago, but not take into account historical interpretations of the +intents of the authors, unless those issues can be clearly separated."" + +[Copperud:] ""To the best of my knowledge, there has been no change in the +meaning of words or in usage that would affect the meaning of the +amendment. If it were written today, it might be put: ""Since a +well-regulated militia is necessary tot he security of a free state, the +right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be abridged.' + +[Schulman:] ""As a 'scientific control' on this analysis, I would also +appreciate it if you could compare your analysis of the text of the Second +Amendment to the following sentence, + +""A well-schooled electorate, being necessary to the security of a free +State, the right of the people to keep and read Books, shall not be +infringed.' + +""My questions for the usage analysis of this sentence would be, + +""(1) Is the grammatical structure and usage of this sentence and the way +the words modify each other, identical to the Second Amendment's sentence?; +and + +""(2) Could this sentence be interpreted to restrict 'the right of the people +to keep and read Books' _only_ to 'a well-educated electorate' -- for +example, registered voters with a high-school diploma?"" + +[Copperud:] ""(1) Your 'scientific control' sentence precisely parallels the +amendment in grammatical structure. + +""(2) There is nothing in your sentence that either indicates or implies the +possibility of a restricted interpretation."" + +Professor Copperud had only one additional comment, which he placed in his +cover letter: ""With well-known human curiosity, I made some speculative +efforts to decide how the material might be used, but was unable to reach +any conclusion."" + +So now we have been told by one of the top experts on American usage what +many knew all along: the Constitution of the United States unconditionally +protects the people's right to keep and bear arms, forbidding all +governments formed under the Constitution from abridging that right. + +As I write this, the attempted coup against constitutional government in the +Soviet Union has failed, apparently because the will of the people in that +part of the world to be free from capricious tyranny is stronger than the +old guard's desire to maintain a monopoly on dictatorial power. + +And here in the United States, elected lawmakers, judges, and appointed +officials who are pledged to defend the Constitution of the United States +ignore, marginalize, or prevaricate about the Second Amendment routinely. +American citizens are put in American prisons for carrying arms, owning +arms of forbidden sorts, or failing to satisfy bureaucratic requirements +regarding the owning and carrying of firearms -- all of which is an +abridgement of the unconditional right of the people to keep and bear arms, +guaranteed by the Constitution. + +And even the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), staunch defender of the +rest of the Bill of Rights, stands by and does nothing. + +it seems it is up to those who believe in the right to keep and bear arms to +preserve that right. no one else will. No one else can. Will we beg our +elected representatives not to take away our rights, and continue regarding +them as representing us if they do? Will we continue obeying judges who +decide that the Second Amendment doesn't mean what it says it means but +means whatever they say it means in their Orwellian doublespeak ? + +Or will be simply keep and bear the arms of our choice, as the Constitution +of the United States promises us we can, and pledge that we will defend +that promise with our lives, our fortuned, and our sacred honor ? + +(C) 1991 by The New Gun Week and Second Amendment Foundation. +Informational reproduction of the entire article is hereby authorized +provided the author, The New Gun Week and Second Amendment Foundation are +credited. All other rights reserved. + + About the Author + +J. Neil Schulman is the award-winning author of novels endorsed by Anthony +Burgess and Nobel-economist Milton Friedman, and writer of the CBS ""Twilight +Zone"" episode in which a time-traveling historian prevents the JFK +assassination. He's also the founder and president of SoftServ Publishing, +the first publishing company to distribute ""paperless books"" via personal +computers and modems. + +Most recently, Schulman has founded the Committee to Enforce the Second +Amendment (CESA), through which he intends to see the individual's right to +keep and bear arms recognized as a constitutional protection equal to those +afforded in the First, Fourth, Fifth, Ninth and Fourteenth amendments. + +------------- End included article -------- + +Can you still honestly say the Second is a 'State-Run militia only right'? + +-- +pat@rwing.uucp [Without prejudice UCC 1-207] (Pat Myrto) Seattle, WA + If all else fails, try: ...!uunet!pilchuck!rwing!pat +WISDOM: ""Only two things are infinite; the universe and human stupidity, + and I am not sure about the former."" - Albert Einstien +";16;True +"From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) +Subject: Re: How to act in front of traffic jerks +Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA +Lines: 13 + +nielsmm@imv.aau.dk (Niels Mikkel Michelsen) writes: + +>Did I do the right thing? + +Denmark, eh? Should have taken a short sword and cleaved his car +in half. Since I assume you didn't have a short sword on you, +I certainly have no problems with your choice of substitute action. + +< Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu viking@iastate.edu > +< ISU only censors what I read, not what I say. Don't blame them. > +< USENET: Post to exotic, distant machines. Meet exciting, > +< unusual people. And flame them. > + +";7;True +"From: behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) +Subject: Re: Flashing anyone? +Keywords: flashing +Organization: NEC Systems Laboratory, Inc. +Lines: 31 + +In article <1993Apr15.123539.2228@news.columbia.edu> rdc8@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Robert D Castro) writes: +>Hello all, +> +>On my bike I have hazard lights (both front and back turn signals +>flash). Since I live in NJ and commute to NYC there are a number of +>tolls one must pay on route. Just before arriving at a toll booth I +>switch the hazards on. I do thisto warn other motorists that I will +>be taking longer than the 2 1/2 seconds to make the transaction. +>Taking gloves off, getting money out of coin changer/pocket, making +>transaction, putting gloves back on takes a little more time than the +>average cager takes to make the same transaction of paying the toll. +>I also notice that when I do this cagers tend to get the message and +>usually go to another booth. +> +>My question, is this a good/bad thing to do? + + This sounds like a VERY good thing to do. + +>Any others tend to do the same? + + I will now, whenever I don't have my handy-dandy automatic coin +fetcher/toll payer (Annette :-) with me. + + Thanks for the tip. + +Later, +-- +Chris BeHanna DoD# 114 1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady +behanna@syl.nj.nec.com 1975 CB360T - Baby Bike +Disclaimer: Now why would NEC 1991 ZX-11 - needs a name +agree with any of this anyway? I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs. +";7;True +"Subject: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption +From: oleg@gd.cs.CSUFresno.EDU (Oleg Kibirev) +Distribution: na +Organization: Computer Science Departement of California State University inFresno +Nntp-Posting-Host: gd.cs.csufresno.edu +In-reply-to: clipper@csrc.ncsl.nist.gov's message of Fri, 16 Apr 1993 15:17:33 GMT +Lines: 299 + +In article clipper@csrc.ncsl.nist.gov (Clipper Chip Announcement) writes: + + +Here is an article I found today in comp.security.misc. I'll send my reply in +a separate post to comp.off.eff.org so thayt you guys can get original text. +Have fun! ;( + +Oleg + + Relay-Version: VMS News - V6.1B5 17/9/92 VAX/VMS V5.5-2; site nic.csu.net + Path: nic.csu.net!csus.edu!netcom.com!netcomsv!decwrl!uunet!dove!csrc.ncsl.nist.gov!clipper + Newsgroups: comp.security.misc + From: clipper@csrc.ncsl.nist.gov (Clipper Chip Announcement) + Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1993 15:17:33 GMT + Sender: news@dove.nist.gov + Distribution: na + Organization: National Institute of Standards & Technology + Lines: 280 + + Note: This file will also be available via anonymous file + transfer from csrc.ncsl.nist.gov in directory /pub/nistnews and + via the NIST Computer Security BBS at 301-948-5717. + --------------------------------------------------- + + THE WHITE HOUSE + + Office of the Press Secretary + + _________________________________________________________________ + + For Immediate Release April 16, 1993 + + + STATEMENT BY THE PRESS SECRETARY + + + The President today announced a new initiative that will bring + the Federal Government together with industry in a voluntary + program to improve the security and privacy of telephone + communications while meeting the legitimate needs of law + enforcement. + + The initiative will involve the creation of new products to + accelerate the development and use of advanced and secure + telecommunications networks and wireless communications links. + + For too long there has been little or no dialogue between our + private sector and the law enforcement community to resolve the + tension between economic vitality and the real challenges of + protecting Americans. Rather than use technology to accommodate + the sometimes competing interests of economic growth, privacy and + law enforcement, previous policies have pitted government against + industry and the rights of privacy against law enforcement. + + Sophisticated encryption technology has been used for years to + protect electronic funds transfer. It is now being used to + protect electronic mail and computer files. While encryption + technology can help Americans protect business secrets and the + unauthorized release of personal information, it also can be used + by terrorists, drug dealers, and other criminals. + + A state-of-the-art microcircuit called the ""Clipper Chip"" has + been developed by government engineers. The chip represents a + new approach to encryption technology. It can be used in new, + relatively inexpensive encryption devices that can be attached to + an ordinary telephone. It scrambles telephone communications + using an encryption algorithm that is more powerful than many in + commercial use today. + + This new technology will help companies protect proprietary + information, protect the privacy of personal phone conversations + and prevent unauthorized release of data transmitted + electronically. At the same time this technology preserves the + ability of federal, state and local law enforcement agencies to + intercept lawfully the phone conversations of criminals. + + A ""key-escrow"" system will be established to ensure that the + ""Clipper Chip"" is used to protect the privacy of law-abiding + Americans. Each device containing the chip will have two unique + + + 2 + + + ""keys,"" numbers that will be needed by authorized government + agencies to decode messages encoded by the device. When the + device is manufactured, the two keys will be deposited separately + in two ""key-escrow"" data bases that will be established by the + Attorney General. Access to these keys will be limited to + government officials with legal authorization to conduct a + wiretap. + + The ""Clipper Chip"" technology provides law enforcement with no + new authorities to access the content of the private + conversations of Americans. + + To demonstrate the effectiveness of this new technology, the + Attorney General will soon purchase several thousand of the new + devices. In addition, respected experts from outside the + government will be offered access to the confidential details of + the algorithm to assess its capabilities and publicly report + their findings. + + The chip is an important step in addressing the problem of + encryption's dual-edge sword: encryption helps to protect the + privacy of individuals and industry, but it also can shield + criminals and terrorists. We need the ""Clipper Chip"" and other + approaches that can both provide law-abiding citizens with access + to the encryption they need and prevent criminals from using it + to hide their illegal activities. In order to assess technology + trends and explore new approaches (like the key-escrow system), + the President has directed government agencies to develop a + comprehensive policy on encryption that accommodates: + + -- the privacy of our citizens, including the need to + employ voice or data encryption for business purposes; + + -- the ability of authorized officials to access telephone + calls and data, under proper court or other legal + order, when necessary to protect our citizens; + + -- the effective and timely use of the most modern + technology to build the National Information + Infrastructure needed to promote economic growth and + the competitiveness of American industry in the global + marketplace; and + + -- the need of U.S. companies to manufacture and export + high technology products. + + The President has directed early and frequent consultations with + affected industries, the Congress and groups that advocate the + privacy rights of individuals as policy options are developed. + + + + 3 + + The Administration is committed to working with the private + sector to spur the development of a National Information + Infrastructure which will use new telecommunications and computer + technologies to give Americans unprecedented access to + information. This infrastructure of high-speed networks + (""information superhighways"") will transmit video, images, HDTV + programming, and huge data files as easily as today's telephone + system transmits voice. + + Since encryption technology will play an increasingly important + role in that infrastructure, the Federal Government must act + quickly to develop consistent, comprehensive policies regarding + its use. The Administration is committed to policies that + protect all Americans' right to privacy while also protecting + them from those who break the law. + + Further information is provided in an accompanying fact sheet. + The provisions of the President's directive to acquire the new + encryption technology are also available. + + For additional details, call Mat Heyman, National Institute of + Standards and Technology, (301) 975-2758. + + --------------------------------- + + + QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS ABOUT THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION'S + TELECOMMUNICATIONS INITIATIVE + + + + + Q: Does this approach expand the authority of government + agencies to listen in on phone conversations? + + A: No. ""Clipper Chip"" technology provides law enforcement with + no new authorities to access the content of the private + conversations of Americans. + + Q: Suppose a law enforcement agency is conducting a wiretap on + a drug smuggling ring and intercepts a conversation + encrypted using the device. What would they have to do to + decipher the message? + + A: They would have to obtain legal authorization, normally a + court order, to do the wiretap in the first place. They + would then present documentation of this authorization to + the two entities responsible for safeguarding the keys and + obtain the keys for the device being used by the drug + smugglers. The key is split into two parts, which are + stored separately in order to ensure the security of the key + escrow system. + + Q: Who will run the key-escrow data banks? + + A: The two key-escrow data banks will be run by two independent + entities. At this point, the Department of Justice and the + Administration have yet to determine which agencies will + oversee the key-escrow data banks. + + Q: How strong is the security in the device? How can I be sure + how strong the security is? + + A: This system is more secure than many other voice encryption + systems readily available today. While the algorithm will + remain classified to protect the security of the key escrow + system, we are willing to invite an independent panel of + cryptography experts to evaluate the algorithm to assure all + potential users that there are no unrecognized + vulnerabilities. + + Q: Whose decision was it to propose this product? + + A: The National Security Council, the Justice Department, the + Commerce Department, and other key agencies were involved in + this decision. This approach has been endorsed by the + President, the Vice President, and appropriate Cabinet + officials. + + Q: Who was consulted? The Congress? Industry? + + A: We have on-going discussions with Congress and industry on + encryption issues, and expect those discussions to intensify + as we carry out our review of encryption policy. We have + briefed members of Congress and industry leaders on the + decisions related to this initiative. + + Q: Will the government provide the hardware to manufacturers? + + A: The government designed and developed the key access + encryption microcircuits, but it is not providing the + microcircuits to product manufacturers. Product + manufacturers can acquire the microcircuits from the chip + manufacturer that produces them. + + Q: Who provides the ""Clipper Chip""? + + A: Mykotronx programs it at their facility in Torrance, + California, and will sell the chip to encryption device + manufacturers. The programming function could be licensed + to other vendors in the future. + + Q: How do I buy one of these encryption devices? + + A: We expect several manufacturers to consider incorporating + the ""Clipper Chip"" into their devices. + + Q: If the Administration were unable to find a technological + solution like the one proposed, would the Administration be + willing to use legal remedies to restrict access to more + powerful encryption devices? + + A: This is a fundamental policy question which will be + considered during the broad policy review. The key escrow + mechanism will provide Americans with an encryption product + that is more secure, more convenient, and less expensive + than others readily available today, but it is just one + piece of what must be the comprehensive approach to + encryption technology, which the Administration is + developing. + + The Administration is not saying, ""since encryption + threatens the public safety and effective law enforcement, + we will prohibit it outright"" (as some countries have + effectively done); nor is the U.S. saying that ""every + American, as a matter of right, is entitled to an + unbreakable commercial encryption product."" There is a + false ""tension"" created in the assessment that this issue is + an ""either-or"" proposition. Rather, both concerns can be, + and in fact are, harmoniously balanced through a reasoned, + balanced approach such as is proposed with the ""Clipper + Chip"" and similar encryption techniques. + + Q: What does this decision indicate about how the Clinton + Administration's policy toward encryption will differ from + that of the Bush Administration? + + A: It indicates that we understand the importance of encryption + technology in telecommunications and computing and are + committed to working with industry and public-interest + groups to find innovative ways to protect Americans' + privacy, help businesses to compete, and ensure that law + enforcement agencies have the tools they need to fight crime + and terrorism. + + Q: Will the devices be exportable? Will other devices that use + the government hardware? + + A: Voice encryption devices are subject to export control + requirements. Case-by-case review for each export is + required to ensure appropriate use of these devices. The + same is true for other encryption devices. One of the + attractions of this technology is the protection it can give + to U.S. companies operating at home and abroad. With this + in mind, we expect export licenses will be granted on a + case-by-case basis for U.S. companies seeking to use these + devices to secure their own communications abroad. We plan + to review the possibility of permitting wider exportability + of these products. + + +";16;True +"From: jmc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (John McCarthy) +Subject: Re: New Environmental Group Launches. +In-Reply-To: eoneill@nyx.cs.du.edu's message of Sun, 4 Apr 93 23:02:33 GMT +Reply-To: jmc@cs.Stanford.EDU +Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University +Lines: 17 + + +*Teddy O'Neill-Creature with furry Hobbit feet from Bath UK*, +a sentimental fool, posts: + + With the force of a world-wide youth movement, it ought to + be possible to establish a coordinated global program to + accomplish the strategic goal of completely eliminating the + internal combustion engine over, say, a twenty year period. + +Evidently there are no open questions, either scientific or about +how people prefer to live. + +-- +John McCarthy, Computer Science Department, Stanford, CA 94305 +* +He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense. + +";18;True +"From: fields@cis.ohio-state.edu (jonathan david fields) +Subject: Misc Stuff for Sale +Organization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science +Lines: 38 +Distribution: usa +NNTP-Posting-Host: frigate.cis.ohio-state.edu + +Misc. Items for sale: + + +Mount Plate: Sony Model CPM-203P, mounting plate for Sony portable CD players +for Portable: plugs into car lighter, snaps onto the bottom of any Sony +CD Player: Portable CD player, perfect condition. Will also throw in a + cassette adapter in SO SO condition. + Paid $45...............Asking $30. + +Car Speakers: Sherwood 5 1/4"" two way car speakers, in car for 7 months, +5 1/4 inch: excellent condition, Paid $65............Asking $40. + +4 inch: Factory Speakers from Toyota excellent condition Asking $20. + + +Nintendo: Nintendo Game Boy, Light Boy, Tetris, Super Mario Land, +Gameboy: NFL Football, Castlevania Adventure, Hyper Lode Runner, 4 years ++ games: old all in working condition, Asking $70. +Accessories: + + +Whole Internet: The Whole Internet: User's Guide and Catalog by ED Krol, +book: guide to using the internet, where to fing information and + resources. Paid $30..........Asking $20. + +MicroSoft: Never Used, came with my computer, Asking $30. +Visual Basic: + +MicroSoft: Came with my computer, never used, Asking $100. +Word for Windows: + + + Thanks, + + Jonathan D. Fields + fields@cis.ohio-state.edu + + +";8;True +"From: jamie@genesis.MCS.COM (James R Groves) +Subject: FTP for Targa+ +Organization: MCSNet Contributor, Chicago, IL +Lines: 5 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.mcs.com + +I am looking for software to run on my brand new Targa+ 16/32. If anyone knows +of any sites which have useful stuff, or if you have any yourself you want to +give, let me know via mail. Thanks a LOT! Yayayay! + jamie@ddsw1.mcs.com + +";1;True +"Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. +From: a_rubin@dsg4.dse.beckman.com (Arthur Rubin) + <1993Apr20.151718.2576@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> +Distribution: na +Organization: Beckman Instruments, Inc. +Nntp-Posting-Host: dsg4.dse.beckman.com +Lines: 15 + +In <1993Apr20.151718.2576@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jebright@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (James R Ebright) writes: + +>In article a_rubin@dsg4.dse.beckman.com (Arthur Rubin) writes: + +>>I wouldn't trust the NSA. I think I would trust the President on this, but +>>I'm not certain he would be told. + +>""I am not a crook."" President Richard M. Nixon +> ^^^^^^^^^ + +THIS President. (And I could easily be wrong.) +-- +Arthur L. Rubin: a_rubin@dsg4.dse.beckman.com (work) Beckman Instruments/Brea +216-5888@mcimail.com 70707.453@compuserve.com arthur@pnet01.cts.com (personal) +My opinions are my own, and do not represent those of my employer. +";16;True +"From: betz@gozer.idbsu.edu (Andrew Betz) +Subject: Weaver trial update +Nntp-Posting-Host: gozer +Organization: SigSauer Fan Club +Lines: 13 + +I've been running a daily summary of the Randy Weaver/Kevin +Harris trial from here in Boise. These summaries are sent +primarily to mailing lists. However, I was wondering if +people would be interested in seeing them here. Post or +email. + +Drew +-- +betz@gozer.idbsu.edu +*** brought into your terminal from the free state of idaho *** +*** when you outlaw rights, only outlaws will have rights *** +*** spook fodder: fema, nsa, clinton, gore, insurrection, nsc, + semtex, neptunium, terrorist, cia, mi5, mi6, kgb, deuterium +";3;True +"From: tbrent@ecn.purdue.edu (Timothy J Brent) +Subject: Am I going to Hell? +Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network +Lines: 12 + +I have stated before that I do not consider myself an atheist, but +definitely do not believe in the christian god. The recent discussion +about atheists and hell, combined with a post to another group (to the +effect of 'you will all go to hell') has me interested in the consensus +as to how a god might judge men. As a catholic, I was told that a jew, +buddhist, etc. might go to heaven, but obviously some people do not +believe this. Even more see atheists and pagans (I assume I would be +lumped into this category) to be hellbound. I know you believe only +god can judge, and I do not ask you to, just for your opinions. + +Thanks, +-Tim +";17;True +"From: (Phil Bowermaster) +Subject: Re: The arrogance of Christians +Organization: U S WEST Advanced Technologies +Lines: 36 + +In article , +dleonar@andy.bgsu.edu (Pixie) wrote: +> +> In article , +> vbv@r2d2.eeap.cwru.edu (Virgilio (Dean) B. Velasco Jr.) wrote: +> +> > +> > ""We affirm the absolutes of Scripture, not because we are arrogant +> > moralists, but because we believe in God who is truth, who has revealed His +> > truth in His Word, and therefore we hold as precious the strategic importance +> > of those absolutes."" +> +> +> Pardon me, a humble atheist, but exactly what is the difference +> between holding a revealed truth with blind faith as its basis (i.e. +> regardless of any evidence that you may find to the contrary) as an +> absolute truth, fully expecting people to believe you and arrogance? + +If you would bother to check in any good dictioanry or thesaurus, I think +you will find that ""arrogance"" has to do with an offensive exhibition of +presumed or real superiority (a paraphrase from my own Webster's). +Arrognace is about pride and haughtiness. A person can believe in absolute +truth, even blindly (whatever that means) without being obnoxious about it. +Just as a person can be a ""humble,"" authority-questioning, +defying-any-theist-to-reply athiest and be quite arrogant. Arrogance is not +about what you believe, it is about how you relate to what you believe and +how you present it to others. If your overwhelming experience of Christians +has been that they are arrogant, I apologozing both for myself and on the +behalf of those who have offfended you. But my own experience, at least in +forums like Usenet where you see a good mix of people, is that arrogant +Christians and athiests seems to occur in about equal numbers. + +- Phil - + +Hey, we're talking about the PHONE COMPANY, here. The Phone Company doesn't +have opinions on this kind of stuff. This is all me. +";17;True +"From: young@serum.kodak.com (Rich Young) +Subject: Re: Barbecued foods and health risk +Originator: young@sasquatch +Nntp-Posting-Host: sasquatch +Reply-To: young@serum.kodak.com +Organization: Clinical Diagnostics Division, Eastman Kodak Company +Lines: 24 + +In article rsilver@world.std.com (Richard Silver) writes: +> +>Some recent postings remind me that I had read about risks +>associated with the barbecuing of foods, namely that carcinogens +>are generated. Is this a valid concern? If so, is it a function +>of the smoke or the elevated temperatures? Is it a function of +>the cooking elements, wood or charcoal vs. lava rocks? I wish +>to know more. Thanks. + + From THE TUFTS UNIVERSITY GUIDE TO TOTAL NUTRITION: Stanley Gershoff, + Ph.D., Dean of Tufts University School of Nutrition; HarperPerennial, 1991 + (ISBN #0-06-272007-4): + + ""The greatest hazard of barbecuing is that the cook will not use + enough caution and get burned. Some people suggest that the + barbecuing itself is dangerous, because the smoke, which is + absorbed by the meat, contains benzopyrene, which, in its pure form, + has been known to cause cancer in laboratory animals. However, + in order to experience the same results, people would have to + consume unrealistically large quantities of barbecued meat at a + time."" + + +-Rich Young (These are not Kodak's opinions.) +";4;True +"From: hew@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu +Subject: Monitor Shut-down on 13"" Hi-Res +Organization: Georgetown University +Lines: 11 +Summary: monitor shutoff on 13"" er's +Reply-To: m_torricelli@unhh.unh.edu +Distribution: world + +THere is a defect in the 13"" hi-res monitors, bring it to a dealer and +they will replace the flyback for free, I think. + + + I just heard of this problem at work today and we are fixing +them for free. + + + ________________ + - / o r r + +";0;True +"From: wats@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM (Bruce Watson) +Subject: Quotation Was:(Re: >So, you are saying that it isn't possible for an instinctive act +>>to be moral one? +>I like to think that many things are possible. Explain to me +>how instinctive acts can be moral acts, and I am happy to listen. + +For example, if it were instinctive not to murder... + +>>That is, in order for an act to be an act of morality, +>>the person must consider the immoral action but then disregard +>>it? +>Weaker than that. There must be the possibility that the +>organism - it's not just people we are talking about - can +>consider alternatives. + +So, only intelligent beings can be moral, even if the bahavior of other +beings mimics theirs? And, how much emphasis do you place on intelligence? +Animals of the same species could kill each other arbitarily, but they +don't. Are you trying to say that this isn't an act of morality because +most animals aren't intelligent enough to think like we do? + +keith +";9;True +"From: hm@cs.brown.edu (Harry Mamaysky) +Subject: Re: Final Solution for Gaza ? +In-Reply-To: Center for Policy Research's message of 23 Apr 93 15:10 PDT +Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Brown University +Lines: 30 + +In article <1483500354@igc.apc.org> Center for Policy Research writes: + + Final Solution for the Gaza ghetto ? + ------------------------------------ + + While Israeli Jews fete the uprising of the Warsaw ghetto, they + repress by violent means the uprising of the Gaza ghetto and + attempt to starve the Gazans. + + [...] + +Elias should the families of the children who were stabbed in their +high school by a Palestinian ""freedom fighter"" be the ones who offer +their help to the Gazans. Perhaps it should be the families of the 18 +Israelis who were murdered last month by Palestinian ""freedom +fighters"". + +The Jews in the Warsaw ghetto were fighting to keep themselves and +their families from being sent to Nazi gas chambers. Groups like Hamas +and the Islamic Jihad fight with the expressed purpose of driving all +Jews into the sea. Perhaps, we should persuade Jewish people to help +these wnderful ""freedom fighters"" attain this ultimate goal. + +Maybe the ""freedom fighters"" will choose to spare the co-operative Jews. +Is that what you are counting on, Elias - the pity of murderers. + +You say your mother was Jewish. How ashamed she must be of her son. I +am sorry, Mrs. Davidsson. + +Harry. +";15;True +"From: jls@atglab.atg.com (Jerome Schneider) +Reply-To: jls@atg.com +Distribution: world +Subject: Re: Out of environment space running BAT files from Windows +Organization: Aspen Technology Group +X-Mailer: UUPC/bsnews 2.1 modified +Lines: 42 + + +>I have a .BAT file that I run under a Windows Icon. I have set up a PIF +>file to run the BAT file in exclusive mode and to use the entire screen. +>The first line of the BAT file sets an environment variable. +> +>My problem is that on some of our machines (running MS-DOS 5.0 and Windows +>3.1 in enhanced mode), the SET command in the BAT file fails with the +>OUT OF ENVIRONMENT SPACE error. I have raised the amount of environment +>space to 2048 bytes using the SHELL command in CONFIG.SYS so I know that +>I am nowhere near to running out. + +(From the Windows Resource Toolkit (for Win4Workgroups)), add an entry to +your ""system.ini"" file under the [NonWindowsApp] section: + + CommandEnvSize=NNNN + +""This sets the COMMAND.COM env size, where NNNN must either be 0 or +between 160 and 32768. A value of 0 disables the setting. If this +value is too small or too big, it is rounded up to 160 or down to 32768. +If the value is less than the current size of the actual environment, +this setting is disabled, as if it were 0. If you specify the +environment size in a PIF file for COMMAND.COM, the PIF setting +overrides this setting. The default is 0 with MSDOS versions earlier +than 3.2. Otherwise, the default value is the /e: option in the +SHELL= command in CONFIG.SYS. To set this value, you must edit your +SYSTEM.INI [and reboot]."" + + +I have used this entry, as well as relied on the default /e: from +the CONFIG.SYS shell= line, and both give larger environments. If +you don't use one of these, then the environment passed by windows +to each new DOS box is just a little bit bigger than the environment +_variables_ present when windows was started. (No matter how big +the DOS env was, when windows starts, it truncates all unused space +except for a few bytes.) This should allow your batch file to run, +but your mileage may vary. + +-- +Jerome (Jerry) Schneider Domain: jls@atg.COM +Aspen Technology Group UUCP: {uunet}!csn!atglab!jls +PO Box 673, Ft. Collins, CO 80522 Voice: (303) 484-1488 + +";6;True +"From: leonard@aix3090b.uky.edu (Leonard Lauria) +Subject: Re: Prayer in Jesus' Name +Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences +Lines: 34 + +munns@cae.wisc.edu (Scott Munns) writes: + +>I am doing a dormitory bible ""discussion"" with my Christian roommate and +>2 of the non-Christian guys on my floor. They are very close to +>accepting Christ, so we have started to disciple them (treat them like +>baby believers) and go into more indepth subjects than the parables, etc. +>Our first discussion was on prayer. Eventually, we got around to how +>we should pray in Jesus' name. Then, an excellent question came up, one +>that I don't have a real answer to. The question was, ""If we need to pray +>in Jesus' name, what about the people before Jesus? They prayed to God +>and he listened then, in spite of their sins. Why can't it be the same +>way now?"" + +I'll take a try at this... + +From the discussions I have been in, and from how *I* have interpreted +the bible, I feel that one can pray either way. BUT remember this, +before Jesus, the people talked to God (no other way) and he talked +back. (audible and dreams, etc.) Today we have the bible to know +Gods will, and we have his son you died for US. He was given as our +savior, and while we still do things according to Gods will, we pray +THROUGH his son. In the bible it says that if we are not known to +Jesus, we are not known to God. (sorry I do not have the verses +with me) So, if we are to be granted eternal life, we must present +ourselves to Jesus first, who will then present us to God. + +Leonard + + + +-- + +=========================================================================== + -This space intentionally left blank. +";17;True +"From: bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Bill Conner) +Subject: Re: Second Law (was: Albert Sabin) +Nntp-Posting-Host: okcforum.osrhe.edu +Organization: Okcforum Unix Users Group +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] +Lines: 20 + +Joel Hanes (jjh00@diag.amdahl.com) wrote: + +: Mr Connor's assertion that ""more complex"" == later in paleontology +: is simply incorrect. Many lineages are known in which whole +: structures are lost -- for example, snakes have lost their legs. +: Cave fish have lost their eyes. Some species have almost completely +: lost their males. Kiwis are descended from birds with functional +: wings. + +Joel, + +The statements I made were illustrative of the inescapably +anthrpomorphic quality of any desciption of an evolutionary process. +There is no way evolution can be described or explained in terms other +than teleological, that is my whole point. Even those who have reason +to believe they understand evolution (biologists for instance) tend to +personify nature and I can't help but wonder if it's because of the +limits of the language or the nature of nature. + +Bill +";9;True +"From: ger@cv.ruu.nl (Ger Timmens) +Subject: Re: Postscript drawing prog +Nntp-Posting-Host: triton.cv.ruu.nl +Organization: University of Utrecht, 3D Computer Vision Research Group +Lines: 30 + +In <0010580B.vma7o9@diablo.UUCP> diablo.UUCP!cboesel (Charles Boesel) writes: + + +>In article <1993Apr19.171704.2147@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE> (comp.graphics.gnuplot,comp.graphics), rdd@uts.ipp-garching.mpg.de (Reinhard Drube) writes: +>>In article , nish@cv4.chem.purdue.edu (Nishantha I.) writes: +>>|> Could somebody let me know of a drawing utility that can be +>>|> used to manipulate postscript files.I am specifically interested in +>>|> drawing lines, boxes and the sort on Postscript contour plots. +>>|> I have tried xfig and I am impressed by it's features. However +>>|> it is of no use since I cannot use postscript files as input for the +>>|> programme.Is there a utility that converts postscript to xfig format? +>>|> Any help would be greatly appreciated. +>>|> Nishantha +>Have you checked out Adobe Illustrator? There are a few Unix versions +>for it available, depending on your platform. I know of two Unix versions: +>One for Mach (NeXT) and for Irix (SGI). There may be others, such +>as for Sun SparcStation, but I don't know for sure. + +You can include postscript epsi files in xfig (encapsulated postscript +info files). You can't actually edit the postscript file, but you're able +to draw over the postscript file. + +There a eps to epsi converter: eps2epsi (perl program), + +Succes, +-- +Ger Timmens (ger@cv.ruu.nl) 3DCV Research Group, Utrecht, The Netherlands +Tel.: +31 -30 50 67 11; Room: F.01.7.03; Fax.: +31 -30 51 33 99 + Unquestionably, there is progress. The average American now pays out + twice as much in taxes as he formerly got in wages. --- H. L. Mencken +";1;True +"From: perry@wswiop15.win.tue.nl (Perry Egelmeers) +Subject: Re: FUNET.FI +Organization: Eindhoven University of Technology, The Netherlands +Lines: 13 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: wswiop15.win.tue.nl + +artieb@vnet.IBM.COM writes: + +> I saw a posting earlier that refered to FUNET.FI directory /pub/msdos +>however, when I log on to FUNET.FI I cant even find the ""pub"" directory +>let alone the ""msdos"" directory !!!! Can someone tell me what I'm doing +>wrong?? + +Perhaps you should try nic.funet.fi instead of funet.fi ??!?!? +nic.funet.fi is THE biggest (?) ftp site from Europe, but +the stuff available there should (?) also be available at the other site +of the ""big pool"". + +Perry Egelmeers +";5;True +"Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, academic Computer Center +From: Alan Hinds +Subject: Disk data compression and Interleave +Lines: 5 + +Does anyone have enough experience to report whether disk data +compression has any effect on the optimal disk sector interleave? +Offhand, I expect that the time required to decompress disk data +would increase the optimum disk sector interleave. + - Alan Hinds +";5;True +"From: jkatz@access.digex.com (Jordan Katz) +Subject: U.S. Space Foundation Speech +Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA +Lines: 94 +Distribution: usa +NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net + + + Speech by Pete Worden + + Delivered Before the U.S. Space Foundation Conference + + Colorado Springs, Colorado + + April 15, 1993 + + + What a delightful opportunity to cause some trouble. For +providing me this forum I would sincerely like to thank the U.S. +Space Foundation. My topic today is the Single Stage Rocket +Technology rocket or SSRT. By I intend to speak of more. How to +lower the cost and make rapid progress. SSRT is to my mind -- +and I hope to convince you -- the erupting a new rallying cry for +our generation in space -- Faster, Cheaper, and Better. + + Faster, Cheaper, Better and SSRT represent the passing of a +torch from one technical generation to another. It is a new +thing to be sure -- but it is also a relearning of old things +from past masters. + + When we rolled out the SSRT baby two weeks ago, so called +experts told us it violates the laws of physics -- it made no +sense. For example, Dr. Eberhart Rachtin - former president of +the Aerospace Corp., said of SSRT in the L.A. Times that it, +""defies the best principles of launching payloads into space."" +Well Dr. Rachtin -- you've made us mad! What are these +principles that SSRT defies? + + Well I'll tell you. It violates the principle that you need +a giant program office to build space hardware. It violates the +""fact"" that it takes 20 years to build something new. And it +violates the truism that you cant do anything significant for +less than many billions of dollars. + + It took some of the last generation's experts to teach us +some new/old lessons. Werhner Von Braun's first rocket was not a +Saturn V. General Schriever's ICBM's didn't take ten years to +demonstrate. And the X-1 airplane didn't cost $1 billion. + + It took one of the great engineers of the 1950's to remind +us of these truths -- Max Hunter. Max, to remind you, was a +senior engineer in the Thor IRBM program, and old faster, better, +cheaper success story. Max has been persistent in a vision of a +single stage reusable space launch system since the 1960's. +Because he knew it had to be done in affordable steps - Build a +little, Test a little. + + Next he persuaded us to do a technology demonstration. We +didn't solicit a bunch of requirements -- they'd just change +every few years anyway. [ not included in the speech -- The +ALS/NLS has such ephemeral requirements that it would better +known as ""Shape Shifter"" than ""Space Lifter."" We didn't spend a +lot money -- this X-Rocket only cost $60 million. When's the +last time we even built a new airplane for that? And it didn't +take a lot of time to build -- McDonnell Douglas completed it in +18 months. Finally, the government program office consisted of +one very over-worked Air Force Major -- motivated in part by the +threat that he'd get to ride on it in a strapped-on lawn chair if +it ran over cost or schedule. + + As I described what SSRT is -- and isn't keep in mind its +only a first step. There are several more steps -- and steps +that can easily fail -- before the U.S. can field an SSTO. But +each step should follow the same principles -- a small management +team -- a few years technology demonstration -- and a modest +budget. + + Let me show a few details on SSRT and how it might evolve: +(See charts) + + I'm embarrassed when my generation is compared with the last +generation -- the giants of the last great space era, the 1950's +and 1960's. They went to the moon - we built a telescope that +can't see straight. They soft-landed on Mars - the least we +could do is soft-land on Earth! + + But we do have an answer. We can follow their build a +little, test a little philosophy to produce a truly affordable +and routine access to space. I know there are nay sayers among +you -- those who say SSRT is a stunt. It needs more thermal +protection, the engines are wrong, it would be better to land +horizontally, etc, etc. + + I say to you -- we'll see you at White Sands in June. You +bring your view-graphs, and I'll bring my rocketship. If we do +what we say we can do, then you let us do the next step. [ not +included in the speech: If we fail -- you still have your +program offices, staff summary sheets, requirement analyses, and +decade long programs.] + + I bet on my generation and Max Hunter's idea -- Any Takers? +";2;True +"Subject: Re: Finnally, the Phils have support +From: f67709907@violet.ccit.arizona.edu (Greg Franklin) +Distribution: world,local +Organization: University of Arizona +Nntp-Posting-Host: violet +Nntp-Posting-User: f67709907 +Lines: 54 + +In article , philly@brahms.udel.edu (Robert C Hite) writes: +> In article <4fjQpAu00WBLM1z50R@andrew.cmu.edu> Anuj Gupta writes: +>>Everytime I have written on the net about the possibility of a +>>successfuls season by the Philadelphia Phillies, I have gotten ripped +>>from everybody from Pittsburgh to Calcutta. But if all the +>>ignoramouses, care to look at this week's Baseball Weekly, they will see +>>that I'm not the only one who considers then as division winners - the +>>rest of the most respected baseball writers in the country do as well. +> +> And these guys certainly know what they're talking about. Every +> bozo from Pittsburgh to Calcutta will just have to sit up and take +> notice! This Phils team in an offensive juggernaut which is going +> to score a LOT of runs and put up a TON of hits on the scoreboard. +> You people out there are going to be sick of seeing PHILLIES +> scattered all over every offensive league leaders category in the +> newspaper. These guys hit .304 through Spring Training..well before +> getting no hit yesterday. But they had a plane to catch 45 minutes +> after the game ended, so they're minds weren't in it. + +Up to this point, I really thought this had been written by a +pro-SDCN, anti-mediot poster blessed with a certain talent for +sarcasm and biting remarks. Somebody like me, for instance. +The lurid overstatements were obviously intended to humiliate the +original poster. + +> Now, on top of the great offense, they have a slightly above average +> pitching staff which has a lot of youth and promise. If the +> pitchers do their part, and Mitch keeps blown saves to a minimum, +> look for another pennant out in left field at the Vet... +> +> Robert C. Hite +> +> P.S. Michael Jack Schmidt for COMMISSIONER + +But then the scales were lifted from my eyes. Looks like Robert is +really being serious. Oh, well. + +I compare the performance of the 1992 Phillies with the 1987 edition, +which had outstanding run producers at every position except SS, yet +finished at a frustrating sub-.500 level. The 1987 folks didn't +ever amount to anything, and neither will the 1992 squad, IMHO. + +Any other parallels with previous years' teams for this year's +editions (in the style of 1993 Braves = 1971 Orioles)? +-- +Greg ""Mockingbird"" Franklin ""Interracial mixing encompasses a lot lot more +f67709907@ccit.arizona.edu than mingling between G7 races."" -- robohen + + Things One Wishes to See + The moon, flowers, the face of a dear one. + Well-performed No. + The furnishings of a tea cottage. + The real thoughts of one's lover--and her letter. + All famous places. +";14;True +"From: rg@futserv.austin.ibm.com (R.G. Keen) +Subject: Re: All Electronics Press and Peel PCB transfer +Reply-To: ...futserv.austin.ibm.com!rg +Organization: IBM Coporation - Advanced Workstations and Systems. +Lines: 12 + +I think there is a huge difference in the materials and +process for printer/toner PCB's. I get first time, everytime +results from a local HP Postscript, and hardly ever works from +copies of the same artwork. The printer results are so good +that I have quit even looking for PC board processes. If I had +to use the copier version, I would think I would look elsewhere. +The moral? Experiment and find what works. Toner transfer CAN +give excellent results. It, like any process, gives erratic +results with variable inputs. + +R.G. + +";11;True +"From: srfergu@rufus.erenj.com (Scott Ferguson) +Subject: Re: What's wrong with this picture? +Nntp-Posting-Host: rufus.erenj.com +Organization: Exxon Research & Engineering Co. +Lines: 20 + +In article <1993Apr3.152922.12050@iscsvax.uni.edu>, harter5255@iscsvax.uni.edu writes: +|> Fellow netters, +|> +|> Is anybody awake out there? When someone posted a message telling people to +|> stop posting computer ads to the misc.forsale group, he got about thirty +|> response here, not to mention the rash of E-Mail I'm sure he received. Yet, +|> another person posts a message with the subject line ""blow me"" and an even +|> worse text, and only 3 or 4 people have the guts to say anything. The majority + +Not to mention the thread about selling someone's wife. I am a guy, therefore +not overly bummed by it, but a little common sense would dictate that this +is offensive to many women, and not really necessary. + +-- +---------------------------------------------------------------------- +Scott Ferguson Exxon Research & Engineering Co. +Project Engineer New Jersey +---------------------------------------------------------------------- +All opinions, not official view of Exxon. +""I must ask the question...are we going to play Stonehenge tonight?"" +";8;True +"From: brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton) +Subject: Re: Secret algorithm [Re: Clipper Chip and crypto key-escrow] +Organization: ClariNet Communications Corp. +Keywords: encryption, wiretap, clipper, key-escrow, Mykotronx +Lines: 21 + +In article <1993Apr18.032405.23325@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jebright@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (James R Ebright) writes: +>In article brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton) writes: +> +>[...]> +>>The greatest danger of the escrow database, if it were kept on disk, +>>would be the chance that a complete copy could somehow leak out. You +>[...]> +>>Of course then it's hard to backup. However, I think the consequences +>>of no backup -- the data is not there when a warrant comes -- are worse +>>than the consequences of a secret backup. +> +>If the data isn't there when the warrant comes, you effectively have +>secure crypto. If secret backups are kept...then you effectively have +>no crypto. Thus, this poster is essentialy arguing no crypto is better +>than secure crypto. + +No, the poster (me) has his brain in the wrong gear. As you can infer +from the first sentence, I meant the consequences of no backup are *better* +than the consequences of an easy to copy database. +-- +Brad Templeton, ClariNet Communications Corp. -- Sunnyvale, CA 408/296-0366 +";16;True +"From: ct22@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Constantino Tobio) +Subject: Re: Quick Question +Article-I.D.: news.1993Apr6.050302.13153 +Organization: Columbia University +Lines: 62 +Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixa.cc.columbia.edu + +Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.vw +Subject: Re: Quick question +Summary: +Expires: +Sender: +Reply-To: ct22@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Constantino Tobio) +Followup-To: +Distribution: +Organization: Columbia University +Keywords: Removing panels. + +In article <1993Apr5.211457.12789@ole.cdac.com> ssave@ole.cdac.com (The Devil Reincarnate) writes: +> How do you take off the driver side door panel from the inside +>on an '87 Honda Prelude? The speaker went scratchy, and I want +>to access its pins. +> +> I see only one press button and the rest is snug fit. +> +> +> -S +> ssave@ole.cdac.com + +Quick question. Why are you posting this to a VW newsgroup? + +Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.vw +Subject: Re: Quick Question +Summary: +Distribution: world +Organization: Columbia University +Keywords: + +Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.vw +Newsgroups: rec.autos,rec.autos.vw +Subject: Re: Quick question +Summary: +Expires: +References: <1993Apr5.211457.12789@ole.cdac.com> +Sender: +Reply-To: ct22@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Constantino Tobio) +Followup-To: +Distribution: +Organization: Columbia University +Keywords: Removing panels. + +In article <1993Apr5.211457.12789@ole.cdac.com> ssave@ole.cdac.com (The Devil Reincarnate) writes: +> How do you take off the driver side door panel from the inside +>on an '87 Honda Prelude? The speaker went scratchy, and I want +>to access its pins. +> +> I see only one press button and the rest is snug fit. +> +> +> -S +> ssave@ole.cdac.com + +Quick question. Why are you posting this to a VW newsgroup? +Constantino Tobio, Jr. ** ct22@columbia.edu ** +""Tremble you weaklings, cower in fear, I am your ruler, land, sea and air. + Immense in my girth, erect I stand tall, I'm a nuclear murderer. + I am POLARIS!"" - Megadeth, ""Rust in Peace"" +";10;True +"From: cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson) +Subject: Re: Live Free, but Quietly, or Die +Article-I.D.: adobe.1993Apr6.194913.29264 +Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View +Lines: 15 + +In article Russell.P.Hughes@dartmouth.edu (Russell P. Hughes) writes: +}start her up and rev to about 3000 rpm....I FAIL cuz I register 120 DB, +}and the max allowed is 110! If I fail with these pipes, there are gonna + +Next time make the numbers more believable -- this is poor flamebait. +120 DB is getting close to the sound of a jumbo jet engine at takeoff +revs from some small number of yards away. It is certainly right +around the pain threshold for humans. No way in hell the state permits +110 DB if they have any standard at all. + +-- +Curtis Jackson cjackson@mv.us.adobe.com '91 Hawk GT '81 Maxim 650 +DoD#0721 KotB '91 Black Lab mix ""Studley Doright"" '92 Collie/Golden ""George"" +""There is no justification for taking away individuals' freedom + in the guise of public safety."" -- Thomas Jefferson +";7;True +"From: adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack) +Subject: Re: Israel's Expansion II +Organization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University +Lines: 25 + +In article <22APR93.23368145.0079@VM1.MCGILL.CA> B8HA writes: +>In article <1993Apr22.093527.15720@donau.et.tudelft.nl> avi@duteinh.et.tudelft.nl (Avi Cohen Stuart) writes: +>>From article <93111.225707PP3903A@auvm.american.edu>, by Paul H. Pimentel : + +>>There is one big difference between Israel and the Arabs, Christians in this +>>respect. +>> +>>Israel allows freedom of religion. + +>Avi, +> For your information, Islam permits freedom of religion - there is +>no compulsion in religion. Does Judaism permit freedom of religion +>(i.e. are non-Jews recognized in Judaism). Just wondering. + + In Islam, there is no compulsion, just a tax on dhimini. In +Judaism, non-Jews are allowed to do as they wish, and there is no +effort made to convert them. + + + + +Adam Shostack adam@das.harvard.edu + +""If we had a budget big enough for drugs and sexual favors, we sure +wouldn't waste them on members of Congress..."" -John Perry Barlow +";15;True +"From: zowie@daedalus.stanford.edu (Craig ""Powderkeg"" DeForest) +Subject: Re: Quick question +Organization: Stanford Center for Space Science and Astrophysics +Lines: 8 +NNTP-Posting-Host: daedalus.stanford.edu +In-reply-to: ssave@ole.cdac.com's message of Mon, 5 Apr 1993 21:14:57 GMT + +In article ssave@ole.cdac.com (The Devil Reincarnate) writes: + How do you take off the driver side door panel from the inside + on an '87 Honda Prelude? The speaker went scratchy, and I want + to access its pins. + +Why are you posting this tripe to rec.autos.vw? +-- +DON'T DRINK SOAP! DILUTE DILUTE! OK! +";10;True +"From: chiu@io.nosc.mil (Francis Chiu) +Subject: Re: Blast them next time +Organization: San Diego State University, College of Sciences +Lines: 39 +Distribution: usa +NNTP-Posting-Host: io.nosc.mil +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7] + +Daniel Oldham (oldham@ces.cwru.edu) wrote: +: What happened in Waco is not the fault of the BATF. If they would of +: had the proper equipment and personal then they could of captured the +: compound on the initial assault and none of this would of happened. + ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ + Initial assault on the ""compound"" ( more like a wooden farm house if + it burned to the ground like it did ) for WHAT? Regardless of who + started/caused the fire, NONE of this would have happened if the + ATF can HONESTLY justify their initial assault and handled it + properly! + + QUESTION AUTHORITY! + + +: With the WoD and the increased crime in the streets the BATF is needed +: more now then ever. If they blast away a few good fokes then that is +: the price we all have to pay for law and order in this country. Look +: at all the good people that died in wars to protect this great country +: of ours. +: +: With the arms build up in Waco they needed to hit that compound with + + Show me some evidenence instead of repeating what the FBI/ATF + told you. + +: mega fire power. They could of gone in there blasting and killed a few +: women and kids but it would of been better then letting them all burn +: to death 51 days later. + + Then I'm sure you won't mind if the ATF or the DEA raid your house + someday on a bogus informant tip. So what if they killed/wounded your + family ""accidentally"" during the raid, it's just a fair price to pay + for law and order in this country, right? Answer this question + honestly before making anymore ignorant statements! + + What is even more disturbing than out of control government agencies + are citizens who allow them to be irresponsible. + +--F. Chiu +";3;True +"From: af664@yfn.ysu.edu (Frank DeCenso, Jr.) +Subject: MAJOR VIEWS OF THE TRINITY +Organization: Youngstown State/Youngstown Free-Net +Lines: 224 + +[With Frank's permission, I have added some information here (and in +one case changed the order of his contributions) in order to clarify +the historical relationship of the views. My comments are based +primarily on William Rusch's historical summary in ""The Trinitarian +Controversy"", Fortress. I'm going to save this as an FAQ. --clh] + +MAJOR VIEWS OF THE TRINITY + +[SECOND CENTURY + +The writers of the 2nd Cent. are important, because they set up much +of the context for the later discussions. Justin Martyr, Aristides, +Athenagoras, Tatian, and Theophilus of Antioch are known as the +""Apologists"". Their theology has often been described as ""Logos +theology"". Based strongly on wording in John, they took more or less +a two-phase approach. Through eternity, the Logos was with the +Father, as his mind or thought. This ""immanent Word"" became +""expressed"" as God revealed himself in history, ultimately in Jesus. +Thus Jesus' full distinction from the Father only became visible in +history, though the Logos had been present in God from eternity. +Rusch regards this view is containing many of the emphases of the +final orthodox position, but in a form which is less sophisticated, +because it did not have the technical language to properly deal with +the eternal plurality in the Godhead. + +Irenaeus held views somewhat similar to the Apologists. However he +was uncomfortable with the two-stage approach. He still viewed God as +one personage, with distinctions that did not become fully visible +except through his process of self-revelation (the ""economy""). The +distinctions are present in his essential nature. Irenaeus emphasized +the Holy Spirit more than the Apologists. Irenaeus' views should +probably be called ""economic trinitarianism"", though that term is +normally used (as below) to refer to later developments. + + +THIRD CENTURY + +--clh] + +Dynamic Monarchianism + +Source: Theodotus +Adherents: Paul of Samosota, Artemon, Socinus, Modern Unitarians +Perception of God's Essence: The unity of God denotes both oneness of nature +and oneness of person. The Son and the Holy Spirit therefore are +consubstantial with the Father's divine essence only as impersonal attributes. +The divine dunamis came upon the man Jesus, but he was not God in the strict +sense of the word. +Perception of God's Subsistence: The notion of a subsistent God is a palpable +impossibility, since his perfect unity is perfectly indivisible. The +'diversity' of God is apparent and not real, since the Christ event and the +work of the Holy Spirit attest only to a dynamic operation within God, not to +a hypostatic union. +Asignation of Deity/Eternality: + Father: Unique originator of the universe. He is eternal, self-existent, and +without beginning or end. + Son: A virtuous (but finite) man in whose life God was dynamically present in +a unique way; Christ definitely was not deity though his humanity was deified. + Holy Spirit: An impersonal attribute of the Godhead. No deity or eternality +is ascribed to the Holy Spirit. +Criticism(s): Elevates reason above the witness of biblical revelation +concerning the Trinity. Categorically denies the deity of Christ and of the +Holy Spirit, thereby undermining the theological undergirding for the biblical +doctrine of salvation. +[In summary, this probably best thought of as not being Trinitarianism +at all. God is an undifferentiated one. Son and Holy Spirit are seen +as simply names for the man Jesus and the grace of God active in the +Church. --clh] + + +Modalistic Monarchianism + +Source: Praxeas +Adherents: Noatus, Sabellius, Swedenborg, Scleiermacher, United Pentecostals +(Jesus Only) +Perception of God's Essence: The unity of God is ultra-simplex. He is +qualitatively characterized in his essence by one nature and person. This +essence may be designated interchangeably as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. +They are different names for but identical with the unified, simplex God. The +three names are the three modes by which God reveals Himself. +Perception of God's Subsistence: The concept of a subsistent God is erroneous +and confounds the real issue of the phenomenon of God's modalistic manifesting +of himself. The paradox of a subsisting ""three in oneness"" is refuted by +recognizing that God is not three persons but one person with three different +names and corresponding roles following one another like parts of a drama. +Asignation of Deity/Eternality: + Father: Fully God and fully eternal as the primal mode or manifestation of +the only unique and unitary God + Son: Full deity/eternality ascribed only in the sense of his being another +mode of the one God and identical with his essence. he is the same God +manifested in temporal sequence specific to a role (incarnation). + Holy Spirit: Eternal God only as the tile designates the phase in which the +one God, in temporal sequence, manifested himself pursuant to the role of +regeneration and sanctification. +Criticism(s): Depersonalizes the Godhead. To compensate for its Trinitarian +deficiencies, this view propounds ideas that are clearly heretical. Its +concept of successive manifestations of the Godhead cannot account for such +simultaneous appearances of the three persons as at Christ's baptism. +[Rusch comments that evidence on these beliefs is sketchy. There are +actually two slightly different groups included: Noetus and his +followers, and Sabellius. Noetus was apparently more extreme. +Sabellius followed him, and attempted to use some features of economic +Trinitarianism to create a more sophisticated view. Unfortunately, +information about Sabellius comes from a century later, and there +seems to be some confusion between him and Marcellus of Ancyra. --clh] + +[I've moved the following description to be with the other +third-century views. It originally appeared near the end. --clh] + +""Economic"" Trinitarianism + +Source: Hippolytus, Tertullian +Adherents: Various ""neo-economic"" Trinitarians +Perception of God's Essence: The Godhead is characterized by triunity: Father, +Son, and Holy Spirit are the three manifestations of one identical, +indivisible substance. The perfect unity and consubstantiality are especially +comprehended in such manifest Triadic deeds as creation and redemption. +Perception of God's Subsistence: Subsistence within the Godhead is articulated +by means of such terms as ""distinction"" and ""distribution"" dispelling +effectively the notion of separateness or division. +Asignation of Deity/Eternality: +The equal deity of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is clearly elucidated in +observation of the simultaneous relational/operational features of the +Godhead. Co-eternality, at times, does not intelligibly surface in this +ambiguous view, but it seems to be a logical implication. +Criticism(s): Is more tentative and ambiguous in its treatment of the +relational aspect of the Trinity. +[Note that this is a development of the Apologists and Irenaeus, as +mentioned above. As with them, the threeness is visible primarily in +the various ways that God revealed himself in history. However they +did say that this is a manifestation of a plurality that is somehow +present in the Godhead from the beginning. Tertullian talks of +the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as being three that are one in +substance. Many people regard this view as being essentially +orthodox, but with less developed philosophical categories. --clh] + +[Origen, developing further an approach started by Clement, attempted +to apply neo-Platonism to Christian thought. He set many of the terms +of the coming battle. In Platonic fashion, he sees the Son as a +mediator, mediating between the absolute One of God and the plurality +of creating beings. The Son is generated, but he is ""eternally +generated"". That is, the relationship between Father and Son is +eternal. It cannot be said that ""there was once when he was not"" (a +phrase that will haunt the discussion for centuries). Having the Son +is intrinsic to his concept of God. The Father and Son are described +as separate ""hypostases"", though this may not have quite the meaning +of separate subsistence that it had in some contexts. The union is +one of love and action, but there is some reason to think that he may +have used the term homoousios (""of the same substance""). The Holy +Spirit is also an active, personal substance, originated by the Father +through the Son. Origen's intent is trinitarian, not tritheistic, but +he pushes things in the direction of separateness. + + +FOURTH CENTURY + +--clh] + +Subordinationism [often called Arianism --clh] + +Source: Arius +Major Adherents: Modern Jehovah's Witnesses, and several other lesser known +cults +Perception of God's Essence: The inherent oneness of God's nature is properly +identifiable with the Father only. The Son and the Holy Spirit are discreet +entities who do not share the divine essence. +Perception of God's Subsistence: The unipersonal essence of God precludes the +concept of divine subsistence with a Godhead. ""Threeness in oneness"" is self- +contradictory and violates biblical principles of a monotheistic God. +Asignation of Deity/Eternality: + Father: The only one, unbegotten God who is eternal and without beginning. + Son: A created being and therefore not eternal. Though he is to be venerated, +he is not of the divine essence. + Holy Spirit: A nonpersonal, noneternal emanation of the Father. He is viewed +as an influence, an expression of God. Deity is not ascribed to him. +Criticism(s): It is at variance with abundant scriptural testimony respecting +the deity of both Christ and the Holy Spirit. Its hierarchial concept likewise +asserts three essentially separate persons with regard to the Father, Christ, +and the Holy Spirit. This results in a totally confused soteriology. +[Note also that in most versions of this view, the Son is not fully +human either. He is supernatural and sinless. That distinguishes this +view from adoptionism. --clh] + +Orthodox Trinitarianism + +Source: Athanasius +Adherents: Basil, Gregory of Nyssa, Gregory of Nazianzus, Augustine, Thomas +Aquinas, Luther, Calvin, Contemporary orthodox Christianity +Perception of God's Essence: God's being is perfectly unified and simplex: of +one essence. This essence of deity is held in common by Father, Son, and Holy +Spirit. The three persons are consubstantial, coinherent, co-equal, and co- +eternal. +Perception of God's Subsistence: The divine subsistence is said to occur in +three modes of being or hypostases. As such, the Godhead exists ""undivided in +divided persons."" This view contemplates an identity in nature and cooperation +in function without the denial of distinctions of persons in the Godhead. +Asignation of Deity/Eternality: +In its final distillation, this view unhesitatingly sets forth Father, Son, +and Holy Spirit as co-equal and co-eternal in the Godhead with regard to both +the divine essence and function. +Criticism(s): The only shortcoming has to do with the limitations inherent in +human language and thought itself: the impossibility of totally describing the +ineffable mystery of ""three in oneness."" +[At least in the 4th Cent, there were several different approaches, all +of which fit the description here, and all regarded as orthodox, but which +are somewhat different in detail. Nicea was originally held to respond +to Arius. Arius can be thought of as carrying Origen's thought a bit +too far, to the point of making the Son a separate entity. In general +the East tended to take an approach based on Origen's, and it was hard +to get acceptance of Nicea in the East. Its final acceptance was +based on the work of Athanasius with the Cappadocians: Gregory of Nyssa and +Gregory of Nazianzus, among others. While starting with three, +they show that their unity in nature and and action is such that one +must think of them as being a single God. This allowed the Council +of Constantinople, in 381, to get wide agreement on the idea of +three hypostatese and one ousia. --clh] + +Adapted from _Charts of Christian Theology and Doctrine_, by H. Wayne House. + + +Frank +-- +""If one wished to contend with Him, he could not answer Him one time out + of a thousand."" JOB 9:3 +";17;True +"From: Center for Policy Research +Subject: Re: Final Solution for Gaza ? +Nf-ID: #R:cdp:1483500354:cdp:1483500364:000:1767 +Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!cpr Apr 26 17:36:00 1993 +Lines: 38 + + +Dear folks, + +I am still awaiting for some sensible answer and comment. + +It is a fact that the inhabitants of Gaza are not entitled to a normal +civlized life. They habe been kept under occupation by Israel since 1967 +without civil and political rights. + +It is a fact that Gazans live in their own country, Palestine. Gaza is +not a foriegn country. Nor is TelAviv, Jaffa, Askalon, BeerSheba foreign +country for Gazans. All these places are occupied as far as Palestinians +are concerned and as far as common sense has it. + +It is a fact that Zionists deny Gazans equal rights as Israeli citizens +and the right to determine by themsevles their government. When Zionists +will begin to consider Gazans as human beings who deserve the same +rights as themselves, there will be hope for peace. Not before. + +Somebody mentioned that Gaza is 'foreign country' and therefore Israel +is entitled to close its borders to Gaza. In this case, Gaza should be +entitled to reciprocate, and deny Israeli civilians and military personnel +to enter the area. As the relation is not symmetrical, but that of a master +and slave, the label 'foreign country' is inaccurate and misleading. + +To close off 700,000 people in the Strip, deny them means of subsistence +and means of defending themselves, is a collective punishment and a +crime. It is neither justifiable nor legal. It just reflects the abyss +to which Israeli society has degraded. + +I would like to ask any of those who heap foul langauge on me to explain +why Israel denies Gazans who were born and brought up in Jaffa to return +and live there ? Would they be allowed to, if they converted to Judaism ? +Is their right to live in their former town depdendent upon their +religion or ethnic origin ? Please give an honest answer. + +Elias + +";15;True +"From: pilon@aix02.ecs.rpi.edu (T.J. Pilon) +Subject: My IIcx won't turn on... +Nntp-Posting-Host: aix02.ecs.rpi.edu +Lines: 14 + +Anyone know what would cause my IIcx to not turn on when I hit the keyboard +switch? The one in the back of the machine doesn't work either... +The only way I can turn it on is to unplug the machine for a few minutes, +then plug it back in and hit the power switch in the back immediately... +Sometimes this doesn't even work for a long time... + +I remember hearing about this problem a long time ago, and that a logic +board failure was mentioned as the source of the problem...is this true? + + + Thanks, + T.J. Pilon + pilon@rpi.edu + +";0;True +"From: boora@kits.sfu.ca (The GodFather) +Subject: LA ON ABC IN CANADA +Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada +Lines: 16 + + Was the ABC coverage of the Kings/Flames game supposed to be the +way it was shown in BC with CBC overriding the ABC coverage? When I flipped +to ABC, it was the same commentators, same commercials even. My question +is: Was this the real ABC coverage or did CBC just ""black out"" the +ABC coverage for its own? + + + comment: + + CBC had a great chance for some double headers: Toronto/Detroit +and Vancouver/Winnipeg, but today they said that the East gets the Leafs +and the West get the Vancouver game. I thought that they would show them +both. + + The GodfAther + +";13;True +"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) +Subject: Armenian-Nazi Collaboration During World War II. +Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) +Distribution: world +Lines: 51 + +In article <2BC0D53B.20378@news.service.uci.edu> tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) writes: + +>Is it possible to track down ""zuma"" and determine who/what/where ""seradr"" +>is? + +Done. But did it change the fact that during the period of 1914 to 1920, +the Armenian Government ordered, incited, assisted and participated +in the genocide of 2.5 million Muslim people because of race, religion +and national origin? By the way, you still haven't corrected yourself. +During World War II Armenians were carried away with the German might and +cringing and fawning over the Nazis. In that zeal, the Armenian publication +in Germany, Hairenik, carried statements as follows:[1] + +""Sometimes it is difficult to eradicate these poisonous elements (the Jews) + when they have struck deep root like a chronic disease, and when it + becomes necessary for a people (the Nazis) to eradicate them in an uncommon + method, these attempts are regarded as revolutionary. During the surgical + operation, the flow of blood is a natural thing."" + +Now for a brief view of the Armenian genocide of the Muslims and Jews - +extracts from a letter dated December 11, 1983, published in the San +Francisco Chronicle, as an answer to a letter that had been published +in the same journal under the signature of one B. Amarian. + + ""...We have first hand information and evidence of Armenian atrocities + against our people (Jews)...Members of our family witnessed the + murder of 148 members of our family near Erzurum, Turkey, by Armenian + neighbors, bent on destroying anything and anybody remotely Jewish + and/or Muslim. Armenians should look to their own history and see + the havoc they and their ancestors perpetrated upon their neighbors... + Armenians were in league with Hitler in the last war, on his premise + to grant them self government if, in return, the Armenians would + help exterminate Jews...Armenians were also hearty proponents of + the anti-Semitic acts in league with the Russian Communists. Mr. Amarian! + I don't need your bias."" + + Signed Elihu Ben Levi, Vacaville, California. + +[1] James G. Mandalian, 'Dro, Drastamat Kanayan,' in the 'Armenian + Review,' a Quarterly by the Hairenik Association, Inc., Summer: + June 1957, Vol. X, No. 2-38. + +Serdar Argic + + 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that + might serve as ways of escape for the Turks + and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' + (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) + 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists + a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) + +";15;True +"From: pgf5@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Peter Garfiel Freeman) +Subject: Re: Deriving Pleasure from Death +Nntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu +Reply-To: pgf5@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Peter Garfiel Freeman) +Organization: Columbia University +Lines: 13 + + +>them. (By the way, I do not applaud the killing of _any_ human being, +>including prisoners sentenced to death by our illustrious justice department) +> +>Peace. +>-marc +> + +Boy, you really are a stupid person. Our justice department does +not sentence people to death. That's up to state courts. Again, +get a brain. + + +";15;True +"From: whaley@sigma.kpc.com (Ken Whaley) +Subject: Re: 24-bit Static color: will clients like it? +In-Reply-To: beck@irzr17.inf.tu-dresden.de's message of 26 Apr 1993 17:54:12 GMT +Organization: Kubota Pacific Computer Inc. +Lines: 21 + +| +|Even 24Bit TrueColor machines are in most cases running an emulated +|8 bit PseudoColor visual, only to get standard x clients, motif apps and +|thelike to run. I strongly suppose you to emulate at least: +| +|> 24 Bit TrueColor. Should be no problem, only some translation. Rounding +| should not make big misfits + +Depends on the nature of the ""rounding."" X allows the user to do bit +arithmetic on pixel values, (i.e., XOR foreground and backgroun pixel +values together to calculate a foreground color that when used with a +function of GXxor fill change foreground to background and vice-versa). +If your rounding does not preserve these types of calculations then +clients that use them will break. + + Ken +-- +Kenneth Whaley (408) 748-6347 +Kubota Pacific Computer, Inc. Email: whaley@kpc.com +2630 Walsh Avenue +Santa Clara, CA. 95051 +";12;True +"From: adam@sw.stratus.com (Mark Adam) +Subject: Re: space food sticks +Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc. +Lines: 22 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: paix.sw.stratus.com +Keywords: food + +In article <1pr5u2$t0b@agate.berkeley.edu>, ghelf@violet.berkeley.edu (;;;;RD48) writes: +> The taste is hard to describe, although I remember it fondly. It was +> most certainly more ""candy"" than say a modern ""Power Bar."" Sort of +> a toffee injected with vitamins. The chocolate Power Bar is a rough +> approximation of the taste. Strawberry sucked. +> + +Peanut butter was definitely my favorite. I don't think I ever took a second bite +of the strawberry. + +I recently joined Nutri-System and their ""Chewy Fudge Bar"" is very reminicent of +the chocolate Space Food. This is the only thing I can find that even comes close +the taste. It takes you back... your taste-buds are happy and your +intestines are in knots... joy! + +-- + +mark ---------------------------- +(adam@paix.sw.stratus.com) | My opinions are not those of Stratus. + | Hell! I don`t even agree with myself! + + ""Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers that smell bad."" +";2;True +"From: mas@Cadence.COM (Masud Khan) +Subject: Re: Slavery (was Re: Why is sex only allowed in marriage: ...) +Organization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc. +Lines: 39 + +In article <1993Apr12.124221.22592@bradford.ac.uk> L.Newnham@bradford.ac.uk (Leonard Newnham) writes: +> +>Oh, this all sounds so nice! Everyone helping each other and always smiling +>and fluffy bunnies everywhere. Wake up! People are just not like that. It +>seems evident from history that no society has succeeded when it had to rely +>upon the goodwill and unselfishness of the people. Isn't it obvious from +>places like Iran that even if there are only a few greedy people in society +>then they are going to be attracted to positions of power? Sounds like a +>recipe for disaster. +> +>-- +> +>Leonard e-mail: L.Newnham@bradford.ac.uk + +Leonard, I'll give you an example of this.... + +My father recently bought a business, the business price was 150,000 pounds +and my father approached the people in the community for help, he raised +60,000 pounds in interest free loans from friends and relatives and +Muslims he knew, 50,000 had cash and the rest he got a business loan, after +paying off the Muslim lenders many of them helped him with further loans +to help him clear the bank debt and save him from further intrest, this +is an example of a Muslim community helping one another, why did they help +because of their common identity as Muslims. In turn my father has helped +with people buying houses to minimise the amount of intrest they pay +and in some cases buy houses intrest free with the help of those more +fortunate in the community. + +The fact is Leonard it DOES work without a fluffy bunny in sight! +iThat is the beauty of Islam. + +Mas + + +-- +C I T I Z E N +-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-+ +_____ _____ | C A D E N C E D E S I G N S Y S T E M S Inc. | + \_/ | Masud Ahmed Khan mas@cadence.com All My Opinions| +_____/ \_____ +-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-+ +";9;True +"From: perry@dsinc.com (Jim Perry) +Subject: Re: Yeah, Right +Organization: Decision Support Inc. +Lines: 27 +NNTP-Posting-Host: dsi.dsinc.com + +In article <65882@mimsy.umd.edu> mangoe@cs.umd.edu (Charley Wingate) writes: +}>For several years I've periodically asked Charley Wingate to explain this +}>mythical alternative to rationality which he propounds so enthusiastically +}>when he pops up every few months. His reluctance to explain indicates to me +}>that it's not so hot. +} +}I've said enough times that there is no ""alternative"" that should think you +}might have caught on by now. And there is no ""alternative"", but the point +}is, ""rationality"" isn't an alternative either. The problems of metaphysical +}and religious knowledge are unsolvable-- or I should say, humans cannot +}solve them. + +If there is truly no alternative, then you have no basis whatsoever +for your claim. The usual line here, which you call ""a prejudgment of +atheism"", and dispute, is that reason is all we have. Here you admit +that you have no alternative, no possible basis for the claim that +there is anything other than reason or that reason is inapplicable in +religious knowledge, except possibly that reason conflicts with +""religious knowledge"". + +This sounds very much like ""I can't provide a rational defense for my +belief, but prefer to discard rationality rather than accept that it +may be false"". I hope it makes you happy, but your repeated and +unfounded assertions to this effect don't advance your cause. +-- +Jim Perry perry@dsinc.com Decision Support, Inc., Matthews NC +These are my opinions. For a nominal fee, they can be yours. +";9;True +"From: ytkuo@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Eugene Y. Kuo) +Subject: Any updated Canon BJ-200 driver +Organization: dis +Lines: 7 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: hal.ai.mit.edu + +Hi ... can anyone tell me where I can get a copy of updated Canon BJ-200 +printer driver for Windows 3.1, if any ? I have ver 1.0 which comes with +my BJ-200 printer, I just wonder if there is any newer version. + +Thanks very much, please email. + + +";6;True +"From: ems@michael.apple.com (E. Michael Smith) +Subject: Re: How hard to change springs on F350 truck? +Organization: Circle 'C' Shellfish Ranch, Shores-of-the-Pacific, California +Lines: 88 + +Bottom line: I did it and it worked. + +Some 'tips and techniques' are included here: + +In article callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison) writes: +>In article <1993Apr3.005245.10615@michael.apple.com> ems@michael.apple.com (E. Michael Smith) writes: +>>Does it take any peculiar tools to remove the rear springs from a Ford +>>F350 truck? This is a 4x4 with leaf springs front and rear. +>> +>>So, with a big socket and an air wrench and a floor jack (and a +>>hydrolic bottle jack ...) can I do this at home? + +I found that I needed some smaller sockets to undo the shocks. +And a can of WD40 helped... + +The sockets needed were metric (exact fit) but I was able to use +some SAE sockets... 13/16 and 15/16 are rather close to 21 and 24mm... +It CAN be fun having a Canadian Ford ... + +>>I'm pictureing this: Undo U bolts. Put a bottle jack on the axle +>>and raise the bed/frame to take stress off of the leaf spring. Undo +>>the end bolts/bushings. Drop the spring. Turn the bottom leaf. +>>Re-connect the spring bolts... +> +>Sounds about right. + +Didn't have to undo the end bolts/bushings. Just the 2 U bolts on +each side and the shock absorber. Jacking up the frame some more +(had to put the spare tire on the garage floor and put a wooden +platform on top of that to get the 'floor jack' high enough to +raise the frame ... I't one TALLL truck...) lifted the spring +free of the axel. Taking out the block gave me enough room to +undo the pin holding the spring pack together. + +The spring pack was held together with a nut on top and a round head +on the other end.... No wrench head... Vice Grips worked fine... +I soaked the nut with WD40 and it came right off. + +Flipped the bottom spring and then... + +>>Is this a nightmare waiting to happen, or an easy, though physically +>>demanding, thing to do? +> +>Well, it's easier than doing a decent trigger job on a 1911A1 :-) +>(OK, well, maybe it's not _that_ easy, but it's not terribly +>difficult.) + +I donno ... I'm a little more sore today than after working on a +1911A1 ... + +A 1.5 foot pipe cheater was a real help. Torque spec for the U bolt +nuts is 150 to 200 ft-lbs (!). A 1911-A1 doesn't have that kind of +torque spec ... + +It was a 'challenge' to get the 'pack bolt' back in the spring pack. +Squeeze pack with two hands, hold bolt with third, put nut on +with fourth while picking up wrench and vice grips with fifth +and sixth hands ... I used some string to tie the pack together +while holding the pin in for alignment... then I could let go +to get the {nut, wrench, Vice Grips...}. + +Getting the pin back lined up with the lift block was a challenge too... +until I discovered that the axel had 1) Tilted and/or 2) rolled forward. + +One the drivers side, a bottle jack under the front of the differential +tilted it back in line enough for the pin head to drop into the right +hole. On the passenger side, I had to wrestle the wheel into rolling +forward about 1/2 inch to get things to line up. Spent more than an +hour working on getting the pin head into the hole in the lift block +with levers and ropes and impliments of distruction before I took a +break and thought about WHY it wasn't lined up anymore (since it HAD +been lined up before, and *I* didn't move it, something ELSE must +have ... hmmm, axle no longer constrained not to move ... hmmm, move +it back... hmmm...). + +After that, it was all much easier to 'close up'. + +BTW, the ride is now softer, but not quite as soft as I was hoping for. +At least it now sits level.. + +-- + +E. Michael Smith ems@apple.COM + +'Whatever you can do, or dream you can, begin it. Boldness has + genius, power and magic in it.' - Goethe + +I am not responsible nor is anyone else. Everything is disclaimed. +";10;True +"From: deane@binah.cc.brandeis.edu (David Matthew Deane) +Subject: Re: PUBLIC HEARINGS on Ballot Access, Vote Fraud and Other Issues +Reply-To: deane@binah.cc.brandeis.edu +Organization: Brandeis University +Lines: 10 + +Well, the message was interesting (and long), but TWICE? Oh Well. Personally, +I loathe libertarianism, but my disagreement is philisophical, not tactical. +Election law reform is a good idea. You would not believe what kind of stunts +the creatures of the 2 party system are capable of pulling. +============================================================================ +David Matthew Deane (deane@binah.cc.brandeis.edu) + +When the words fold open, +it means the death of doors; +even casement windows sense the danger. (Amon Liner) +";18;True +"From: gsh7w@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Hennessy) +Subject: Re: Why not concentrate on child molesters? +Organization: University of Virginia +Lines: 15 + +In article <15416@optilink.COM> cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes: +#That describes some straights -- and nearly all homosexual males. + +Can you provide any evidence that doesn't ahve massive selection +effects? + +No, I thought not. + +Just slander on your part. + +-- +-Greg Hennessy, University of Virginia + USPS Mail: Astronomy Department, Charlottesville, VA 22903-2475 USA + Internet: gsh7w@virginia.edu + UUCP: ...!uunet!virginia!gsh7w +";18;True +"From: eliot@lanmola.engr.washington.edu (eliot) +Subject: Re: Manual Shift Bigots +Organization: clearer than blir +Lines: 20 +NNTP-Posting-Host: lanmola.engr.washington.edu + +In article mchaffee@dcl-nxt07 (Michael T Chaffee) writes: +>W/r/t performance, converter lockup is purely irrelevant. The lockup only +>occurs at light throttle settings and serves only to improve MPG. Mind you, +>a converter clutch does a lovely job of improving MPG, but the additional +>mechanical advantage of the converter gives you more acceleration (vs. locked +>converter clutch) than its inherent losses take away. + +the transmission in my car contradicts both your assertions.. i get much +stronger acceleration if i let the convertor lockup.. which i can induce +by briefly lifting off, then quickly (but not too quickly to trigger +a kickdown) applying throttle. above 3000 rpms, the convertor will never +unlock; it would kickdown first. + +who says there's no skill involved in driving an automatic? i think +of it as the throttle and shifter combined into a single pedal. with +my car i can pretty much influence its shifting patterns with my +right foot, while having both hands to steer. + + +eliot +";10;True +"From: jsr2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (JOHN STEPHEN RANDOLPH) +Subject: Re: ALL-TIME BEST PLAYERS +Organization: Lehigh University +Lines: 198 + +In article <1993Apr13.115313.17986@bsu-ucs>, 00mbstultz@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu writes +: +>I've recently been working on project to determine the greatest +>players at their respective postions. My sources are Total Baseball, +>James' Historical Abstract, The Ballplayers (biography), word of +>mouth, and my own (biased) opinions... +> +>Feel free to comment, suggest, flame (whatever)...but I tried +>to be as objective as possible, using statistical data not inlcuded +>for time/convience's sake. (I judged on Rel. BA, Adj OPS, Total Average, +>fielding range/runs, total player rating (Total Baseball), stolen bases +>(for curiosity's sake), TPR/150 g, and years played/MVP. +> +>1B Career +> 1) Lou Gehrig +> 2) Jimmie Foxx +> 3) Eddie Murray +> 4) Hank Greenberg +> 5) Johnny Mize +> 6) Willie McCovey +> 7) Dick Allen +> 8) Harmon Killebrew +> 9) Kieth Hernandez +It's i before e except after c, and in people named kEIth. + +>10) Bill Terry +>11) George Sisler +> +>2B +> 1) Eddie Collins +> 2) Joe Morgan +> 3) Jackie Robinson +> 4) Rogers Hornsby +> 5) Nap Lajoie +> 6) Rhyne Sandberg +Learn to spell. It's Ryne. + +> 7) Charlie Gehringer +> 8) Rod Carew +> 9) Bobby Grich +>10) Bobby Doerr +> +>SS +> 1) Honus Wagner +> 2) Cal Ripken Jr +> 3) John Lloyd +> 4) Ozzie Smith +> 5) Robin Yount +> 6) Joe Cronin +> 7) Arky Vaughan +> 8) Luke Appling +> 9) Ernie Banks +>10) Lou Boudreau +> +>3B +> 1) Mike Schmidt +> 2) Ed Matthews +> 3) George Brett +> 4) Wade Boggs +> 5) Ron Santo +> 6) Brooks Robinson +> 7) Frank Baker +> 8) Darrell Evans +> 9) Pie Traynor +>10) Ray Dandridge +> +How can Brooks be # 6? I think he would at least be ahead of Ron Santo. + + + + +>C +> 1) Josh Gibson +*********************** +1a) Darren Daulton * MVP 1993 +*********************** + +> 2) Yogi Berra +> 3) Johnny Bench +> 4) Mickey Cochrane +> 5) Bill Dickey +> 6) Gabby Hartnett +> 7) Roy Campanella +> 8) Gary Carter +> 9) Carlton Fisk +>10) Thurman Munson +> +>LF +> 1) Ted Williams +> 2) Stan Musial +> 3) Rickey Henderson +> 4) Carl Yastrzemski +> 5) Barry Bonds +> 6) Tim Raines +> 7) Joe Jackson +> 8) Ralph Kiner +> 9) Willie Stargell +>10) Al Simmons +> +>CF +> 1) Willie Mays +> 2) Ty Cobb +> 3) Tris Speaker +> 4) Mickey Mantle +> 5) Joe DiMaggio +> 6) Oscar Charleston +> 7) Andre Dawson +> 8) Duke Snider +> 9) Kirby Puckett +>10) Dale Murphy +> +>RF +> 1) Babe Ruth +> 2) Hank Aaron +> 3) Frank Robinson +> 4) Mel Ott +> 5) Al Kaline +> 6) Reggie Jackson +> 7) Dave Winfield +> 8) Roberto Clemente +> 9) Tony Gwynn +>10) Pete Rose +> +>P +> 1) Walter Johnson +> 2) Lefty Grove +> 3) Cy Young +> 4) Christy Mathewson +> 5) Pete Alexander +> 6) Tom Seaver +> 7) Roger Clemens +> 8) Bob Gibson +> 9) Warren Spahn +>10) Satchel Paige +>11) Juan Marichal +>12) Whitey Ford +>13) Bob Feller +>14) Jim Palmer +>15) Steve Carlton +> +>Overall (estimated): +> 1) Ruth +> 2) Williams +> 3) Mays +> 4) Cobb +> 5) Aaron +> 6) Wagner +> 7) Speaker +> 8) Schmidt +> 9) W.Johnson +>10) Mantle +>11) Musial +>12) DiMaggio +>13) F.Robinson +>14) Grove +>15) Henderson +>16) J.Gibson +>17) C.Young +>18) Collins +>19) Foxx +>20) Mathewson +>21) Alexander +>22) Morgan +>23) J.Robinson +>24) Hornsby +>25) Ott +>26) Seaver +>27) Clemens +>28) Matthews +>29) Lajoie +>30) Yastrzemski +>31) Kaline +>32) Brett +>33) Gibson +>34) Spahn +>35) Charleston +>36) Berra +>37) Ripken Jr. +>38) Lloyd +>39) Raines +>40) Sandberg +>41) Gehringer +>42) O.Smith +>43) Yount +>44) Ba.Bonds +>45) Paige +>46) R.Jackson +>47) Marichal +>48) Ford +>49) Feller +>50) Boggs +> +> +>Again, feel free to comment... +> +>Mike, BSU +> +-- +";14;True +"From: mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) +Subject: Re: food-related seizures? +Nntp-Posting-Host: aisun3.ai.uga.edu +Organization: AI Programs, University of Georgia, Athens +Lines: 12 + +I'm told that corn allergy is fairly common. My wife has it and it seems +to be exacerbated if sugar is eaten with the corn. + +I suppose that in a person just on the verge of having epilepsy, an +allergic reaction might cause a seizure, but I don't really know. +Gordon? + +-- +:- Michael A. Covington, Associate Research Scientist : ***** +:- Artificial Intelligence Programs mcovingt@ai.uga.edu : ********* +:- The University of Georgia phone 706 542-0358 : * * * +:- Athens, Georgia 30602-7415 U.S.A. amateur radio N4TMI : ** *** ** <>< +";4;True +"From: tquinn@heartland.bradley.edu (Terry Quinn) +Subject: Waxing a new car +Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway +Lines: 18 +Reply-To: tquinn@heartland.bradley.edu +NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu + + + +I have just taken delivery on a new GM car (Firebird) with a +clearcoat finish. I assume that it is probably urethane since the +industry has moved in that direction in paints. + +In years past, it used to be recommended that owners wait up to +60 days before you wax a car, for the paint to ""cure."" The dealer +shop manager said this also, but I'm not sure that he wasn't just +basing it on past tradition. Does anyone know if this is still a +recommended practice, or is it better to go ahead and wax right +away (non-abrasive new car wax) with the newer finishes? + +-- + Terry Quinn + Germantown Hills, IL + tquinn@heartland.bradley.edu +from Compuserve . . . >INTERNET: tquinn@heartland.bradley.edu +";10;True +"From: gwh@soda.berkeley.edu (George William Herbert) +Subject: Re: Moonbase race +Organization: Retro Aerospace +Lines: 14 +NNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu +Summary: Hmm... + +Hmm. $1 billion, lesse... I can probably launch 100 tons to LEO at +$200 million, in five years, which gives about 20 tons to the lunar +surface one-way. Say five tons of that is a return vehicle and its +fuel, a bigger Mercury or something (might get that as low as two +tons), leaving fifteen tons for a one-man habitat and a year's supplies? +Gee, with that sort of mass margins I can build the systems off +the shelf for about another hundred million tops. That leaves +about $700 million profit. I like this idea 8-) Let's see +if you guys can push someone to make it happen 8-) 8-) + +[slightly seriously] + +-george william herbert +Retro Aerospace +";2;True +"From: maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) +Subject: Re: Leaf slump over +Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University, Sudbury, ON +Lines: 79 + +In <1993Apr13.190225.29001@newshub.ists.ca> dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca (Deepak Chhabra) writes: + + +>On March 21, 1993 Roger Maynard wrote (in reply to an article by Graham +>Hudson): + +>>You don't think he is performing ""under pressure"" now? The major +>>differences between playoff hockey and normal hockey is 1. play- +>>ing every other night which is physically exhausting and 2. You +>>play the same team in a consecutive string of games. Is this +>>what you mean by pressure? Have you even thought about what you +>>mean by pressure, or are your thoughts, like most of the rest of +>>this drivel, simply half-baked? + +>This was <1993Mar21.223936.6192@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca>, for anybody who +>would like to check. + +>He went on (in another article) to say [paraphrased] + +>>""Playoff hockey"" is just an expression used by announcers to convince +>>simple-minded folks like yourself that what you are seeing is a better +>>product than a regular-season game. + +>*NOW*, however, in article <1993Apr12.013939.23016@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca> +>(Roger Maynard) writes: + +>>With a 4-2 win over a tough Whaler squad the Leafs showed all doubters +>>what playoff hockey is all about. +> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ + +>So, Roger, what exactly *is* playoff hockey all about? Or is it a convenient +>phrase to use in certain circumstances only? + +>You see, when you spout off with flame bait too many times, sooner or later +>it catches up with you.... + +Nice try Deepak, but ""tough Whaler squad"" should have clued you in to the +fact that my Leaf woofing was tongue-in-cheek. + +If playoff hockey is any more intense than the regular season variety then +it is because the teams are facing each other at least 4 consecutive times +in 7 days and hockey being the contact sport that it is, some things will +be carried over that might dissipate during the regular season. But that is +only for some of the players. Many of the rest, who have been playing with +injuries, who miss their families, or who, like Grant Fuhr, would really +rather be playing golf, don't really give a damn. Of course I can't say this +for sure, but I believe that this is fairly typical of human nature and I +don't think that hockey players are above having what I consider typically +human attitudes. + +With the recent salary escalations the key players are actually losing +money by participating in the playoffs. The ones who regard the playoff +""take"" as some kind of a bonanza are fringe players who are unlikely +to consistently be a force in the playoffs. Now I know some of you are +going to come back with ""winning spirit"" and all of that crap but these +players are professionals after all. While they may love to play the +game that love is entirely incidental to their purpose, which is, to make +a decent living. + +Of course, the coach is a professional as well, and part of what he is +being paid to do is motivate the players. So, if the coach does his +job well enough the players may respond with a winning effort. + +The second season, is after all, merely an exhibition. The true Champions +of the league are the division winners, the teams that come out on top +after the long struggle of the season. The Stanley cup playoffs merely +accord victory to the team that has remained healthy and ""hot"". The +emphasis on the playoffs, with their ""sudden death"" appeal has been promoted +by the media and the owners with profit purely in mind. Even if Pittsburgh +loses the playoffs, we all know that they were really the best team in the +league over the year. They proved it. + +cordially, as always, + +rm + +-- +Roger Maynard +maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca +";13;True +"From: backon@vms.huji.ac.il +Subject: Re: Ten questions about Israel +Distribution: world +Organization: The Hebrew University of Jerusalem +Lines: 134 + +In article <1483500349@igc.apc.org>, cpr@igc.apc.org (Center for Policy Research) writes: +> +> From: Center for Policy Research +> Subject: Ten questions about Israel +> +> +> Ten questions to Israelis +> ------------------------- +> +> I would be thankful if any of you who live in Israel could help to +> provide +> accurate answers to the following specific questions. These are +> indeed provocative questions but they are asked time and again by +> people around me. +> +> 1. Is it true that the Israeli authorities don't recognize +> Israeli nationality ? And that ID cards, which Israeli citizens +> must carry at all times, identify people as Jews or Arabs, not as +> Israelis ? + + +Although the Hebrew expression LE'UM is used, the ID card specifically states on +the 2nd page: EZRACHUT YISREALIT: Israeli citizen. This is true for all +Israeli citizens no matter what their ethnicity. In the United States most +official forms have RACE (Caucasian, Black, AmerIndian, etc.). + +> +> 2. Is it true that the State of Israel has no fixed borders +> and that Israeli governments from 1948 until today have refused to +> state where the ultimate borders of the State of Israel should be +> ? +> + +Funny, I have a number of maps and ALL of them have fixed borders. + + + +> 3. Is it true that Israeli stocks nuclear weapons ? If so, +> could you provide any evidence ? + +Probably yes. So what ? + + + +> +> 4. Is it true that in Israeli prisons there are a number of +> individuals which were tried in secret and for which their +> identities, the date of their trial and their imprisonment are +> state secrets ? + + +Apart from Mordechai Vanunu who had a trial behind closed doors, there was one +other espionage case (the nutty professor at the Nes Ziona Biological +Institute who was a K.G.B. mole) who was tried ""in camera"". I wouldn't exactly +call it a state secret. The trial was simply tried behind closed doors. I hate +to disappoint you but the United States has tried a number of espionage cases +in camera. + + +> +> 5. Is it true that Jews who reside in the occupied +> territories are subject to different laws than non-Jews? +> + +Not Jews. Israeli citizens. Jordanian law is in effect in the West Bank but the +KNESSET passed a law that Israeli law would be binding on Israeli citizens +residing in the West Bank. These citizens could be Jews, Israeli Muslims, Druze, +or Israeli Christians. It has NOTHING to do with religion. + + + + +> 6. Is it true that Jews who left Palestine in the war 1947/48 +> to avoid the war were automatically allowed to return, while their +> Christian neighbors who did the same were not allowed to return ? + +Anyone who was registered (Jew, Muslim, Christian) could return. You might be +confusing this with the census taken in June 1967 on the West Bank after the +Six Day War. In *this* instance, if the Arab was not physically present he +couldn't reside on the West Bank (e.g. if he had been visting Jordan). + + +> +> 7. Is it true that Israel's Prime Minister, Y. Rabin, signed +> an order for ethnical cleansing in 1948, as is done today in +> Bosnia-Herzegovina ? +> + +No. Not even if you drowned him in bourbon, scotch or brandy :-) + + + +> 8. Is it true that Israeli Arab citizens are not admitted as +> members in kibbutzim? + +Not true. Although a minority, there *are* some Israeli Arabs living on +kibbutzim. On the other hand, at my age (42) I wouldn't be admitted to a +kibbutz nor could the family join me. Not that I would be so thrilled to do so +in the first place. The kibbbutz movement places candidates under rigorous +membership criteria. Many Israeli Jews are not admitted. + + +> +> 9. Is it true that Israeli law attempts to discourage +> marriages between Jews and non-Jews ? + +The religious status quo in Israel has marriage and divorce handled by the +religious courts. The RABBANUT handles marriage and divorce for Jews, the +Muslim SHAARIA courts are for Muslims, the Christian denominations have their +religious courts, and the Druze have their own courts. The entire religious +establishment (Jewish, Muslim, Druze, Christian) wants to keep it that way. + +> +> 10. Is it true that Hotel Hilton in Tel Aviv is built on the +> site of a muslim cemetery ? + +I believe it's adjacent to a former Muslim cemetary. From what I heard (and I'd +like to get feedback from Muslins on the net) sanctity of cemetaries is not +held that sancrosanct as it is held by Jews. The current Israeli Ministry of +Trade and Industry on Agron Road in Jerusalem is housed in a former hotel that +was built by Arabs in the 1920's on the site of an Arab cemetary. + + +Josh +backon@VMS.HUJI.AC.IL + + + +> + + +> Thanks, +> +> Elias Davidsson Iceland email: elias@ismennt.is + +";15;True +"From: lance@hartmann.austin.ibm.com (Lance Hartmann) +Subject: Re: S3 video card at different address +Distribution: usa +Organization: IBM, Austin +Keywords: s3 video diamond addressing +Lines: 19 + +In article <1qmrdd$70h@umcc.umcc.umich.edu> jon@umcc.umcc.umich.edu (Jon Zeeff) writes: +>I'd like to add a second S3 based video card to my system. Does anyone +>know of a company that sells a card that can coexist with another one? +>All I really need is color text on one monitor and fast color graphics +>on the other. +> +>Probably just a configurable address would do it. +> + +For what it's worth (I haven't confirmed it), a Diamond tech-rep told +me that ALL S3-based video cards use port addresses 0x2E0 and 0x2E8. +If this is true, it appears that you canNOT use more than one S3 card +in your system. + +Lance Hartmann (lance%hartmann.austin.ibm.com@ibmpa.awdpa.ibm.com) + Yes, that IS a '%' (percent sign) in my network address. +------------------------------------------------------------------------------ +All statements, comments, opinions, etc. herein reflect those of the author +and shall NOT be misconstrued as those of IBM or anyone else for that matter. +";5;True +"From: gelldav@elof.iit.edu (David A. Geller) +Subject: Parity Error - System Halted /anyone have any ideas? +Organization: Illinois Institute of Technology, Chicago +Lines: 28 + +I recently bought an AMD 386/40. The motherboard booklet says +the board is a ""391 WB/H."" I have 4 1x3 simms on board. The machine +also uses a Super IDE I/O Card (model PT-604). (of course niether +the motherboard or the I/O card booklet clearly state who the manufacurers +are) I'm also using a Trident 8900C SVGA card. + + Anyway, that's all of the pertinent info I can think of. +My problem is that the computer often freezes or displays ""Parity Error -- +System Halted"" messages depending on whether I set the Memory Parity Error +Checking to ""disabled"" or ""enabled"" in the setup of the bios (makes sense). +Its AMI bios (so it must be an AMI board?). + + I just took it back to the dealer and they replaced all of the +SIMMS but I keep getting the same error (more frequently now). It all +worked at the dealer and didn't start screwing up 'till I got home (figures). + + I've tried to take out all of the SIMMS and even re-inserted them +in reverse order, making sure that the connections were solid. + + My suspicion jumps to this damn all in one HD controller/serial/ +parallel/game-port I/O card, or to the motherboard (God forbid). + + CAN ANYONE HELP? + +Thanks, Peace, +David Geller +gelldav@elof.acc.iit.edu + +";5;True +"From: candee@brtph5.bnr.ca (Candee Ellis P885) +Subject: Re: HELP for Kidney Stones .............. +Organization: BNR Inc. RTP, NC +Lines: 8 + +If you think you have kidney stones or your doctor tells you that you do, +DEFINITELY follow up on it. My sister was diagnosed with kidney stones +1 1/2 years ago and given medication to take to dissolve them. After that +failed and she continued to be in great pain, they decided she had +endometriosis. When they did exploratory surgery, they discovered she +had a tumor, which turned out to be rhabdomyosarcoma -- a very rare +and agressive cancer. I realize this is not what happens in the majority +of cases, but you never know what can happen and shouldn't take chances! +";4;True +"From: spl@ivem.ucsd.edu (Steve Lamont) +Subject: SGI sales practices (Was: Crimson (Was: Kubota Announcement?)) +Organization: University of Calif., San Diego/Microscopy and Imaging Resource +Lines: 49 +NNTP-Posting-Host: ivem.ucsd.edu + +In article <30523@hacgate.SCG.HAC.COM> lee@luke.rsg.hac.com (C. Lee) writes: +>The original posting complained (1) about SGI coming out with newer (and +>better) architectures and not having an upgrade path from the older ones, +>and (2) that DEC did. + +No. That's *not* what I was complaining about, nor did I intend to +suggest that DEC was any better than SGI (let me tell you about the +Lynx some day, but be prepared with a large sedative if you do...). My +comment regarding DEC was to indicate that I might be open to other vendors +that supported OpenGL, rather than deal further with SGI. + +What I *am* annoyed about is the fact that we were led to believe that +we *would* be able to upgrade to a multiprocessor version of the +Crimson without the assistance of a fork lift truck. + +I'm also annoyed about being sold *several* Personal IRISes at a +previous site on the understanding *that* architecture would be around +for a while, rather than being flushed. + +Now I understand that SGI is responsible to its investors and has to +keep showing a positive quarterly bottom line (odd that I found myself +pressured on at least two occasions to get the business on the books +just before the end of the quarter), but I'm just a little tired of +getting boned in the process. + +Maybe it's because my lab buys SGIs in onesies and twosies, so we +aren't entitled to a ""peek under the covers"" as the Big Kids (NASA, +for instance) are. This lab, and I suspect that a lot of other labs +and organizations, doesn't have a load of money to spend on computers +every year, so we can't be out buying new systems on a regular basis. +The boxes that we buy now will have to last us pretty much through the +entire grant period of five years and, in some case, beyond. That +means that I need to buy the best piece of equipment that I can when I +have the money, not some product that was built, to paraphrase one +previous poster's words, 'to fill a niche' to compete with some other +vendor. I'm going to be looking at this box for the next five years. +And every time I look at it, I'm going to think about SGI and how I +could have better spent my money (actually *your* money, since we're +supported almost entirely by Federal tax dollars). + +Now you'll have to pardon me while I go off and hiss and fume in a +corner somewhere and think dark, libelous thoughts. + + spl +-- +Steve Lamont, SciViGuy -- (619) 534-7968 -- spl@szechuan.ucsd.edu +San Diego Microscopy and Imaging Resource/UC San Diego/La Jolla, CA 92093-0608 +""My other car is a car, too."" + - Bumper strip seen on I-805 +";1;True +"From: dcd@se.houston.geoquest.slb.com (Dan Day) +Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)... +Nntp-Posting-Host: mudd.se.houston.geoquest.slb.com +Organization: GeoQuest System, Inc. Houston +Lines: 16 + +In article callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison) writes: +> +>If I hear someone screwing with my car (ie, setting off the alarm) and +>taunting me to come out, you can be damn sure that my Colt Delta Elite +>will also be coming with me. It's not the screwing with the car that'd +>get them shot, it's the potential physical danger. If they're +>taunting like that, it's very possible that they also intend to rob +>me and/or do other physically harmful things. + +Here in Houston last year a woman heard the sound of someone in her +garage, so she went to investigate with a gun in her hand. She +found a guy in the process of stealing her bicycle. She quite +reasonably asked him to stop. He refused, began taunting her, and +as the woman was quoted in the police report, ""He told me to go +ahead and shoot him, so I did."" The moron survived, and no +charges were filed against the woman. +";10;True +"From: hickson@pop.psu.edu (Darryl Hickson) +Subject: DJ Equipment, NES Carts, Cordless Phone FOR SALE (Lower Prices) +Article-I.D.: genesis.1prc95$u10 +Distribution: usa +Organization: Penn State Population Research Institute +Lines: 35 +NNTP-Posting-Host: zelinski.pop.psu.edu + +I have a few things to sell. All items are in great condition. All +prices include shipping. If you have any questions contact me by +E-Mail or call me at (814)234-4439. + +Darryl + + +DJ Equipment +======================================================================= +- Mixer Case (with pop-up rails) $60 +- (2) Patch Cords (3 meters, Gold Tips) $15 + + +Records +======================================================================= +Casualties Of War (12 inch single) Eric B. & Rakim $2 +Get Some (12 inch single) EYC & Boo-Ya Tribe $2 +Black's Magic Salt & Pepa $2 +Heart Break New Edition $2 +The Right Stuff Vanessa Williams $2 + + +Misc +======================================================================= +Toshiba FT6000 Cordless Phone $50 + + +Books (Each book is priced as marked) +======================================================================= +1. Microcomputers For Management P. Fuhrman & G. Buck $5 + Decison Making (1st Edition) +2. Statistics: A fresh Approach D. Sanders, R. Eng & $5 + A. Murph +3. Quantitative Approaches to R. Levin, D. Rubin & $5 + Management J. Stinson +";8;True +"From: iisakkil@gamma.hut.fi (Mika Iisakkila) +Subject: Re: what to do with old 256k SIMMs? +In-Reply-To: rubin@cis.ohio-state.edu's message of 17 Apr 1993 14:05:06 -0400 +Nntp-Posting-Host: gamma.hut.fi +Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland + <1qpgsiINN31p@diplodocus.cis.ohio-state.edu> +Lines: 15 + +rubin@cis.ohio-state.edu (Daniel J Rubin) writes: +>How hard would it be to somehow interface them to some of the popular +>Motorola microcontrollers. + +Not hard, you can do the refreshing and access cycles by software, but +this hogs most of the available CPU cycles on a low-end controller. +I've seen some application note from Philips that used one of their +8051 derivatives as a printer buffer, with up to 1MB of dynamic ram +that was accessed and refreshed with software bit-banging. + +Another alternative would be to use one of those nice DRAM controller +chips that ""create static RAM appearance"" and all that, but they may +be too expensive to make it worthwhile. +-- +Segmented Memory Helps Structure Software +";11;True +"From: jim@n5ial.mythical.com (Jim Graham) +Subject: Re: Possible FAQ question about a UART +Keywords: 16550 +Organization: what, ME??? you must be joking. +Lines: 48 + +thought I'd post this as well as e-mail it, just in case anyone else is +interested in this info..... + +In article <1993Apr15.054552.14548@henson.cc.wwu.edu> +n9110338@henson.cc.wwu.edu (dan jordan) writes: + +> Hello, my question is could someone E-mail me the names of manufactures +>of the 16550 and predecsor UARTs. I have only seen them refered to by +>number, however i would like to find a technical manual for these ICs. + +> any where i can find out the technical specs for these UARTs would be +>appreciated: prefereably the 16450 as well as the 16550 however one will do. + +I suggest that you go direct to the original (and preferred...best quality) +source for all of this, just as you would (at least, should) for the chips +themselves: National Semiconductor. you can reach them at 1-800-272-9959. +they no longer package the data sheets in a book, as they did when I got +mine, but you can get them as individual sets of data sheets. you want, as +a minimum, the following: + + *) 2 sets of data sheets: + *) NS16450/INS8250A/NS16C450/INS82C50A + *) NS16550AF + + *) 2 application notes (yes, GET THESE!): + *) AN-491 The NS16550A: UART Design and Application Considerations + *) AN-493 A Comparison of the INS8250, NS16450 and NS16550AF Series + of UARTs + +both of the application notes I listed have proven to be AT LEAST as +valuable as the data sheets themselves (more, actually). AN-491, in +particular, is an exceptionally well-written application note that goes +into detail about how and why the 16550 does what it does, and how best +to take advantage of it. + +btw, they send these out free, as long as you don't abuse it. + +later, + --jim + +-- +#include 73 DE N5IAL (/4) +------------------------------------------------------------------------------ +INTERNET: jim@n5ial.mythical.com | j.graham@ieee.org ICBM: 30.23N 86.32W +AMATEUR RADIO: n5ial@w4zbb (Ft. Walton Beach, FL) AMTOR SELCAL: NIAL +------------------------------------------------------------------------------ +E-mail me for information about KAMterm (host mode for Kantronics TNCs). + +";5;True +"From: drand@spinner.osf.org (Douglas S. Rand) +Subject: Re: Power, signal surges in home... +In-Reply-To: randall@informix.com's message of 19 Apr 93 20:37:19 GMT +Organization: Open Software Foundation +Lines: 76 + +In article randall@informix.com (Randall Rhea) writes: + + gstovall@crchh67.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Greg Stovall) writes: + >Anyway, over the weekend, I was resting on the sofa (in between chores), + >and noticed that I briefly picked up what sounded like ham radio traffic + >over my stereo and television, even though both were off. Also, all the + >touch sensitive lights in my house start going wacko, cycling through + >their four brightness states. + + >I presume that some ham operator with an illegal amplifier drove past + >my house (I live on a busy thoroughfare); would this be a correct presumption? + >What kind of power must he be putting out to cause the effects? + >The affected equipment is about 100 feet from the road... + +Hams are unlikely to have an illegal amp, and are also unlikely to +have a ""dirty"" amp. + + Hams can legally run up to 1500 watts. It is very unlikely, however, + that a ham would be running that kind of power from a car. Ham rigs + +Not possible either. You'd need about a 300 amp alternator for +just the amplifier. I can just see it. You need to slow +down on a downgrade, so you hit the push to talk button. + + for cars put out around 100 watts. It is possible that a 100 watt + radio would cause interference to consumer electronic 100 feet + away. Most TVs, stereos, and VCRs have very poor RF shielding. + If you experience the problem frequently, it may be + caused by a ham, CBer, or other radio operator in a base station + nearby. The interference may have been caused by a radio + transmitter used for other purposes, such as police, fire, + etc. If you heard voices over your stereo, I think you are + correct in assuming that the source is an RF transmitter. + + If you have frequent trouble, you may want to try the RF ferrite + chokes available at Radio Shack. The interference is probably + being picked up by your speaker wires, and those chokes can + be installed on the wires very easily (without cutting them). + Good instructions are included with the chokes. + If that does not solve the problem, you may want to search your + neighborhood for a radio operator. Look for antennas on the roof + or car. Talk to him/her about your problem. There are things + a radio operator can do to reduce interference. + +And please remember to be friendly when approaching your +local radio operator. This person may or may not be the +cause of your troubles, and you'll get better cooperation +and help if you assume that he is going to be helpful (most +are). It was amazing the accusations that we sometimes +dealt with as I grew up. We were blamed for skip (ghost +pictures on the TV that occur at sunspot peaks), c.b. +interferance, dead grass :), you name it. + +BTW, the local operator should try and help you whether or +not he or she is directly responsible. It is part of +being a good neighbor and that is how the FCC views it. +Too bad they don't require the consumer equipment makers +to take any precautions. + +Last, you can usually tell ham radio vs. CB. Ham operators are +required to declare their call (sign) every so many minutes (no more +than 10). So if you hear ""This is WA1QT"" or some other call starting +with A, W or K and no more than 6 total characters, you heard a ham. +CB'ers probably won't sign (I don't know that they're even required +to) and fire/police have other private ids. + + + + + + +-- +Douglas S. Rand OSF/Motif Dev. +Snail: 11 Cambridge Center, Cambridge, MA 02142 +Disclaimer: I don't know if OSF agrees with me... let's vote on it. +Amateur Radio: KC1KJ +";11;True +"From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) +Subject: Re: >Well, chimps must have some system. They live in social groups +>>as we do, so they must have some ""laws"" dictating undesired behavior. +>So, why ""must"" they have such laws? + +The quotation marks should enclose ""laws,"" not ""must."" + +If there were no such rules, even instinctive ones or unwritten ones, +etc., then surely some sort of random chance would lead a chimp society +into chaos. + +keith +";9;True +"From: westerhold@batgirl.rtp.dg.com () +Subject: wanted: mail order hockey equipment +Distribution: usa +Organization: Data General Corporation, RTP, NC. +Lines: 11 + + +Could anyone recommend a mail order distributor for +hockey equipment. + + Thanks in Advance + Wayne +-- + /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ +< Wayne E. Westerhold wester@dg-rtp.dg.com > +< Data General Corporation Research Triangle Park, NC > + \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ +";13;True +"From: fculpepp@norfolk.vak12ed.edu (Fred W. Culpepper) +Subject: CAD Program for Electronics? +Organization: Virginia's Public Education Network (Norfolk) +Lines: 19 + +I am making a search for a CAD program that does a decent job +of making schematic drawings. The program needs to be in +MS-DOS, Windows if possible. + +What I want the CAD program to do is to draw diagrams by +dragging elements onto the screen, and in this the elements +needed are as diverse as vacuum tubes to ICs (case with pins). +It also needs to have provision for adding legends to the +components as well as their values. In other words I want to +produce quality drawings. Printout would be to either 24 pin +dot-matrix and/or Laser Printer. + +If you know of such a CAD program that is of reasonable cost, +please respond. + +Fred W. Culpepper +OLD DOMINION UNIVERSITY (Retired) +fculpepp@norfolk.vak12ed.edu +--- +";11;True +"From: conditt@tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (Paul Conditt) +Subject: Re: Being right about messiahs +Organization: Applied Research Laboratories, University of Texas at Austin +Lines: 11 + +[The following is my comment on an article by Desiree Bradley. --clh] + +>By the way, from Koresh's public statement it's not so clear to me +>that he is claiming to be Christ. + +Koresh did originally claim to be the Christ, but then backed off and +said he was a prophet. The latest news at 8:00 CDT from Waco is that +the feds broke through a wall of the compound with a tank. No news +besides that at this time. + +Paul +";17;True +"From: mikec@sail.LABS.TEK.COM (Micheal Cranford) +Subject: Disney Animation +Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton, OR. +Lines: 5 + +------------------------------------ + + Can anyone tell me anything about the Disney Animation software package? +Note the followup line (this is not for me but for a colleague). + +";1;True +"Subject: Re: Sparky Anderson Gets win #2000, Tigers beat A's +From: tim@cs.cosc.georgetown.edu (Tim Snyder) +Distribution: world +Organization: Georgetown University, Washington DC +Nntp-Posting-Host: cs.cosc.georgetown.edu +Lines: 33 + +In article ragraca@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Randy A. Graca) writes: +>Tigers' manager Sparky Anderson gets his 2,000th career win as moments ago, +>the Tigers completed a two game sweep over the Oakland A's at Tiger Stadium +>by beating the A's 3-2. Here are the highlights: +> R H E +> Oakland 2 9 0 +> Detroit 3 7 1 +> +> [game description deleted] +> +>In the post game interview (on WJR radio in Detroit), Sparky Anderson said +>its one of the few times he's gotten emotional in his managing career. It +>was a big moment for him, and I'm sure all of us Tiger fans are unanimously +>very happy for him. And what a way to get number 2,000!. +> +> [woofing deleted] +>--Randy +> + +In another post-game interview, LaRussa claimed that Sparky was ""the +best manager in basebal,"" explaining that to be part of the history +of Sparky softened the blow of losing. + +Go Tigers!!! + Tim + + Timothy Law Snyder + Department of Computer Science + Reiss 225 + Georgetown University + Washington, DC 20057 + +tim@normal.georgetown.edu +";14;True +"From: dbd@icf.hrb.com (Douglas B. Dodson) +Subject: Windows 3.1 or DOS 5.0 or SMARTDRV or ??? +Organization: HRB Systems, Inc. +Lines: 59 + +Hello, + +I thought this problem might have something to do with Windows 3.1 SMARTDRV and +a VESA video card...any ideas??? + +I recently purchased a 486DX-33 machine and am having problems where the +machine will suddenly freeze or reboot. This may happen in Windows 3.1 or DOS +5.0. Sometimes it is after printing a document, sometimes after using the +mouse, and sometimes just when I am sitting there. Twice when it happened, the +machine rebooted and sounded seven beeps. I looked in the documentation and +the seven beep code meant a problem with interrupts. The machine has the +following configuration and files: + +486DX-33 +AMI BIOS +5.25 and 3.5 floppies +170 Meg IDE hard drive +256k cache +Microsoft compatible mouse on com1 +Citizen GSX-145 on lpt1 +NI SuperVGA Monitor with VESA Windows Accelerator Card w/ 1Meg +Two VESA slots +Windows 3.1 +DOS 5.0 + +CONFIG.SYS +========== +DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\HIMEM.SYS +DOS=HIGH +DEVICEHIGH=C:\DOS\SETVER.EXE +FILES=20 +BUFFERS=20 +STACKS=9,128 + +AUTOEXEC.BAT +============ +@ECHO OFF +LH C:\WINDOWS\SMARTDRV.EXE 1024 +PROMPT $p$g +PATH C:\DOS;C:\WINDOWS;C:\MOUSE +LH C:\MOUSE\MOUSE +SET TEMP=C:\DOS +LH C:\DOS\DOSKEY + + +When the machine freezes, I can't use the mouse or keyboard or use Ctrl-Alt-Del +to reboot. If any one can give me any help, I would greatly appreciate it. If +anyone can help configure this machine for the best efficiency (memory wise) I +would appreciate that also. +-- +Douglas B. Dodson Internet: DBD@ICF.HRB.COM +HRB Systems, Inc. +State College, PA USA +16804 + +Disclaimer! +=========== +Any ideas or opinions expressed here do not necessarily reflect the ideas or +opinions of HRB. +";6;True +"From: marc@pinet.aip.org (Marc Wiener) +Subject: core dump from getcons +Organization: American Institute of Physics +Lines: 12 + +We are getting a memory fault and a core dump whenever we end a Motif +session under Ultrix 4.3, running on a DEC 5000/240. An examintion of the +core file leads us to believe it's from getcons. Does anyone know what +this is all about? + +marc + +-- +Marc Wiener | marc@aip.org +American Institute of Physics | +500 Sunnyside Blvd. | Voice: (516)576-2329 +Woodbury, NY 11797 | Fax: (516)349-7669 +";12;True +"From: eliezer@physics.llnl.gov (David A Eliezer) +Subject: Questions about SPECT imaging +Organization: Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory +Lines: 25 +Distribution: world +Reply-To: eliezer@physics.llnl.gov (David A Eliezer) +NNTP-Posting-Host: physics.llnl.gov +Keywords: PET, SPECT, resolution + + +I have become involved in a project to further develop and +improve the performance of SPECT (Single Photon Emission +Computerized Tomography) imaging. We will eventually have +to peddle this stuff somewhere, and so as I move this thing +along, I would like to know -- + +What is the current resolution of SPECT imaging? What kinds +of jobs is SPECT used for, specifically? What kind of specific jobs +could I hope +that SPECT could be used for, if its resolution improved, +say, to close to that of PET (Positron Emission Tomography)? +And how much does a SPECT machine cost? How much does a single +SPECT image cost? + +If anyone knows the answer to any or all of these questions, OR +where I could find that answer, I would be very grateful, indeed. +Thanks in advance for any replies + + Dave Eliezer + eliezer@physics.llnl.gov + + + + +";4;True +"From: cabanrf@wkuvx1.bitnet +Subject: Re: My Belated Predictions (NL) +Organization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY +Lines: 56 + +In article , mss@netcom.com (Mark Singer) writes: +> In article gajarsky@pilot.njin.net (Bob Gajarsky - Hobokenite) writes: +>>i've said the braves would improve by injury as well. here's how. +>> +>>javier lopez is a better catcher than greg olson. +>>ryan klasko is a better firstbaseman than bream. +>> chipper jones is a better shortstop than anyone the braves +>> put out there. +>> +>>mel nieves is better than nixon/sanders. +>> +>>that's how. it FORCES them to play the young guys. +>> +>>- bob gaj +> +> I continue to be amazed at these comments. While Lopez might *some +> day* be a better catcher than Olson, I find it totally amazing for +> you to suggest that this 22 year-old with three seasons of professional +> baseball is *now* better than Olson, a five-year MLB veteran who is +> noted for his ability to call a game, and who has a better-than-average +> arm. Oh, perhaps you are talking about hitting. Well, sure, Lopez +> *might* hit better. Perhaps he *probably* will. +> +> But has there ever in the history of baseball been a 22-year-old (or +> younger) *rookie* catcher who compared favorably among all league +> catchers in terms of defense and brought a .247 bat? Wasn't it + +Yes, Ivan Rodriguez, last year. Batted .260 and threw out 51% of the +baserunners. Not too shabby for a rookie from AA. 20 years old last +year. + +> Sandy Alomar who was supposed to be that good in his rookie year? +> Not. Wasn't it Benito Santiago who was supposed to be that good +> in his rookie year? Not. +> +> I can continue this thread with the others mentioned, but you get +> the point. You and others seem to be so quick to dismiss the +> seasoned veterans in favor of the hot *young* rookies. Perhaps - +> just perhaps - the management team of the pennant-winning Braves +> knows something more than you do. And perhaps what they know is +> that very, very few 21- and 22-year old rookies come up to the majors +> and make an impact. +> +> +> -- The Beastmaster +> +> +> +> -- +> Mark Singer +> mss@netcom.com +-- +Roy F. Cabaniss......................*Wait till Tommy meets the Lord and +Western Kentucky University..........*finds out that He's wearing pinstripes. +All opinions contained herein........*Gaylord Perry (talking about Lasorda) +Are all mine own, and that's the sin.*Baseball, what a way to spend a day!! +";14;True +"From: ginkgo@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (J. Geary Morton) +Subject: TI-95 PROCALC + MODULES for sale +Organization: UNC Educational Computing Service +Lines: 17 + + +TEXAS INSTRUMENTS TI-95 PROCALC new in box w/manuals + +also + +TEXAS INSTRUMENTS TI-95 STATISTICS LIBRARY MODULE FOR PROCALC +new in box w/manual + +and + +TEXAS INSTRUMENTS TI-95 CHEMICAL ENGINEERING MODULE FOR PROCALC +new in box w/manual + +all for $100.00 + shipping + +contact Geary Morton +phones: 919-851-6565(h) 919-549-7017(w) +";8;True +"From: dcoleman@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu (Daniel M. Coleman) +Subject: Re: MathCad 4.0 swap file +Lines: 28 +Nntp-Posting-Host: blonde.cc.utexas.edu +Organization: The University of Texas at Austin +Lines: 28 + +In article <1993Apr20.175608.23949@ncar.ucar.edu>, baseball@catch-the-fever.scd.ucar.edu (Gregg Walters) writes: +> I have 16MB of memory on my 386SX. I have been running Windows +> without a swap file for several months. Will Mathcad 4.0 be +> happy with this, or insist on a swap file? + +I just got Mathcad 4.0, and the manual is not clear on the matter. On page 8: + + : + : + +* At least 4 megabytes of memory. All memory about 640K should be configured + as XMS. + + : + : +* At least 8 megabytes of virtual memory.... + +Common sense suggests that you should be able to run it (4+8=12 < 16) but the +new Mathcad is kinda kooky, and thus is not subject to the laws of common +sense... + +Dan + +-- +Daniel Matthew Coleman | Internet: dcoleman@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu +-----------------------------------+---------- : dcoleman@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu +The University of Texas at Austin | DECnet: UTXVMS::DCOLEMAN +Electrical/Computer Engineering | BITNET: DCOLEMAN@UTXVMS [.BITNET] +";6;True +"From: pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Paul Crowley) +Subject: Re: Organized Lobbying for Cryptography +Reply-To: pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Paul Crowley) +Organization: Edinburgh University +Distribution: inet +Lines: 12 + +Quoting jgfoot@minerva.cis.yale.edu in article <1r3jgbINN35i@eli.CS.YALE.EDU>: +>Perhaps these encryption-only types would defend the digitized porn if it +>was posted encrypted? + +>These issues are not as seperable as you maintain. + +In fact, since effective encryption makes censorship impossible, they +are almost the same issue and they certainly fall into the brief of the +EFF. + __ _____ +\/ o\ Paul Crowley pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk \\ // +/\__/ Trust me. I know what I'm doing. \X/ Fold a fish for Jesus! +";16;True +"From: jbs@rti.rti.org +Subject: Re: BATF/FBI Murders Almost Everyone in Waco Today! 4/19 +Organization: Joe's Bar and Grill +Lines: 16 + +In article roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) writes: +> +>Well they had over 40 days to come out with their hands up on national tv +>to get the trial they deserved. Instead they chose to set fire to their +>compund hours after the tanks dropped off the tear gas. + +This is about the third person who's parroted the FBI's line about the +fires being set ""six hours after the tear gas was injected."" Suppose you +want to explain to us the videotape footage shown on national TV last night +in which a tank with the gas-injecting tubes is pulling its injection tubes +out of the second story of a building as the building begins to belch smoke +and then fire? + +Do tell. + + -joe +";3;True +"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) +Subject: The 'justice' for the victims of the Armenian Barbarism and Fascism. +Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) +Distribution: world +Lines: 102 + +In article <66118@licre.ludwig.edu.au> THEO@licre.ludwig.edu.au writes: + +>> First of all: it is called ISTANBUL. +>> Let me even spell it for you: I S T A N B U L +>> - - - - - - - - +>> +>> Secondly: The Turks are also asking for their money, for +>> their destroyed and confiscated properties in Greece, and +>> former-Yugoslavia (Bosnia and Serbia). + +>Classic !! + +It is called 'The Justice'. We also demand that the x-Soviet Armenian +Government admit its responsibility for the Turkish and Kurdish +Genocide, render reparations to the Muslim people, and return the +land to its rightful owners. The recognition of the Genocide has +become an issue which cannot be delayed further, and it is imperative +that artificial obstacles created for political manipulations be removed. + +>Now if we're talking about rent and vandalism, let's make it fair then: +>Greece pays back it's dues and Turkey pays for 400 years rent and +>destruction of classical architecture. Deal? Democracy in action. + +Are you the 'truelove' or 'falselove' of 'Arromdian' of the ASALA/SDPA/ARF +Terrorism and Revisionism Triangle? + +""If Turks had behaved like Christians to use force to convert to Islam the +nations which they brought under their power, to which no one could have +opposed, today there would be no Eastern problem. But Turks did not do so. +They obeyed the word of the Koran to permit everybody ""to worship in their own +way"" centuries before Frederick the Great pronounced his famous dictum. Thus, +in an age when the Christian Europe itself shed Christian blood and when +people in Europe enjoyed inflicting inhuman tortures upon those whose beliefs +differed from theirs, the Ottoman Empire became the sole country where the +inquisition did not exist, where deaths at the stake were unheard of and +where accusations of witchcraft were not made. And the barbarian (!) Turkey +was the only country where the Jews persecuted and chased away everywhere +by the Christians, could find asylum. These facts demonstrate that Muslim +countries provided spiritually far better living conditions than Christian +countries.""[1] + +""The Turks, who are a conquering nation, did not Turkify the nations that came +under their rule; instead, they respected their religions and traditions. It +was a stroke of luck for Romania to live under Turkish rule instead of +Russian or Austrian rule. Because otherwise there would not have been a +Romanian nation today"" (Popescu Ciocanel). + +""Turks rule over people under their administration only externally, without +interfering with their internal structures. On account of this, the autonomy +of minorities in Turkey is better and more complete than any in the most +advanced European countries.""[2] + +""...human beings hate each other on account of religious differences. This flaw +is older than Islam and Christianity. But there has never been any examples +of this adjuration in Turkey because Turks never oppress anybody on account +of his religion. If enmity on the basis of religion had been such a case of +simple contempt among us too, or if it did not keep translating itself into +action, many nations in our Europe would probably have considered themselves +happy!"" (A. de Mortraye).[3] + +""Turkey never became a scene for religious terror or for the cruelty of the +inquisition. On the contrary, it served as an asylum for the unfortunate +victims of Christian fanaticism. If you look into history, you will see that +in the fifteenth century thousands of Jews who were expelled from Spain and +Portugal found such a good asylum in Turkey that their descendants have been +living there very calmly all through these approximately three hundred years, +and are only forced to defend themselves in some countries against the +cruelty of Christians, especially that of the Orthodoxes. No Jew is able to +appear in public during Easter celebrations in Athens, even today. In Turkey, +however, if the Israelites are insulted by the Greek and Armenian communities, +local courts immediately take them under their protection."" + +""In that vast and calm country of the sultan, all religions and nations are +living together peacefully. Although the mosque is superior to the church and +the synagogue, it does not replace them. Because of this, the Catholic sect is +more free in Istanbul and Smyrna compared with Paris and Lyon. In addition +to the fact that no law in Turkey prohibits the open-air ceremonies of this +sect, neither does any law imprison its cross in the church. While the +dead are being taken to the graves, a long line of priests bear processional +candles and chant Catholic hymns. When all the priests in all the churches in +the Galata and Beyoglu districts go into the streets and form clerical +processions during the Eucharist celebrations, chanting hymns and bearing +their crosses and religious banners, a detachment of soldiers escorts them +which forces even the Turks to stand in respect around the group of +priests."" (A. Ubicini).[4] + +[1] Ah. Djevat, ""Yabancilara Gore Eski Turkler,"" 3rd ed. (Istanbul, 1978), + pp. 70-71. +[2] Ibid., p.91. +[3] Ibid., pp. 214-215. +[4] Ibid., pp. 215-216. + +Serdar Argic + + 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that + might serve as ways of escape for the Turks + and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' + (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) + 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists + a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) + + +";15;True +"From: neath@brazil.psych.purdue.edu (Ian Neath) +Subject: Re: Thumbs up to ESPN +Organization: Purdue University +Lines: 13 + +jca2@cec1.wustl.edu (Joseph Charles Achkar) writes: +> It was nice to see ESPN show game 1 between the Wings and Leafs since +> the Cubs and Astros got rained out. Instead of showing another baseball +> game, they decided on the Stanley Cup Playoffs. A classy move by ESPN. + +Not in Indiana: they showed a tape-delay of Chicago v Boston, because +WGN had the rainout of the cubs. So WGN showed reruns of Hitchcock. +No hockey (at least in this part of the state). + +Go Aeros! +-- + Ian Neath | There are four kinds of people in this world: +neath@psych.purdue.edu | cretins, fools, morons and lunatics - U. Eco +";13;True +"Subject: Re: New Hudson 1929 questions +From: emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca +Distribution: world +Organization: Robert Smits +Lines: 33 + +davide@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Dave Edmondson) writes: + +> Dave Tharp CDS (davet@interceptor.cds.tek.com) wrote: +> : In article emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca writes: +> : > +> : >One of their main designers, Bert Le Vack, broke many records at +> : >Brooklands in the late '20's. +> +> : In the early 20's Bert Le Vack set records on INDIANS, including +> : 107.5 MPH at Brooklands in November of 1921, on a 61 in^3 Powerplus +> : racing model. +> +> Must have been a busy lad, he was also a tuner and all round guru at JAP and +> worked with George Brough. +> +> Can someone post me details of ""The illustrated Ecyclopedia of Motorcycles"", +> sounds like a book I ought to have a copy of. +> + + +Sure, I can. The Illustrated Encyclopedia of Motorcycles, edited by Erwin +Tragatsch, was published by The Hamlyn Publishing Group Limited, +Astronaut House, Hounslow Road, Feltham, Middlesex, England. + +It was first published in 1977, and mine was reprinted in 1978. Cost then +was Pounds 5.95 in the UK, though I paid 18.50 for it in Canadian +dollars. I have no idea whether it's still in print. Perhaps you could +let the net know. + +Bob. + +Robert Smits Ladysmith BC | If Lucas built weapons, wars +emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca | would never start, either. +";7;True +"From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) +Subject: Re: Sinus vs. Migraine (was Re: Sinus Endoscopy) +Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) +Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science +Lines: 15 + +In article <1993Mar26.001004.10983@news.eng.convex.com> cash@convex.com (Peter Cash) writes: +> +>By the way, does the brain even have pain receptors? I thought not--I heard +>that brain surgery can be performed while the patient is conscious for +>precisely this reason. +> +No, no, we aren't talking about receptors for the brain's sensory +innervation, but structures such as the thalamus that handle pain +for the entire organism. Apples and oranges. + +-- +---------------------------------------------------------------------------- +Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and +geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" +---------------------------------------------------------------------------- +";4;True +"From: roger@crux.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig) +Subject: Re: New Home for the Bosox!!! +Originator: news@nimaster +Nntp-Posting-Host: crux.princeton.edu +Reply-To: roger@astro.princeton.edu (Roger Lustig) +Organization: Princeton University +Lines: 30 + +In article <1993Apr15.132741.11322@scott.skidmore.edu> jrogoff@scott.skidmore.edu (jay rogoff) writes: + +>> I agree, though I'd also be happy with a stadium that looks +>> like new Comiskey. The new park was also made for baseball. +>> Unlike Three Rivers, the Vet, Riverfront, etc., it's not a +>> football park in which they also play baseball. + +>While we're on the multipurpose subject, let's not forget Shea, which +>was designed to accommodate both the Mets & Jets. It was the first +>stadium (I think) to have the box seats on rollers so they could be +>oriented at right angles for baseball & in parallel for football. + +Not the first. RFK, olim DC Stadium, was built 2 years earlier. +Nowadays they don't move the seats back for the few exhibition +games; but the 3rd-base/LF lower deck used to move. It was all +metal, which was pretty noisy on Bat Day. + +>Of course, with the Jets gone to Jersey (and a truly good football +>stadium), the Mets are saddled with a multipurpose stadium where, +>because it's circular, the seats are almost always too far from the +>action. The Mets announcers--Kiner & Murphy in particular--have +>always hyped it as ""beautiful Shea +>Stadium,"" a tipoff to how unbeautiful it truly is. + +It's vastly better than it was before they fixed it, though. Back in +the late 70's it was a *dump*. + +Roger (don't you*like* jet noise?) + + +";14;True +"From: wchutt@alex.monsanto.com (Bill C Hutton) +Subject: MR2 Car Cover For Sale +Organization: Monsanto Company +X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 +Lines: 19 + + + + +For Sale: + +Fitted car cover specifically for '91',92,'93 MR-2. + +Top of the line Evolution-3 [TM] fabric. Used for less than 6 months. +The cover is in excellent condition-no rips, cuts, stains or other +blemishes. It has grommets for a locking cable. The color is silver. + +Price: $90 f.o.b. will ship collect + + +please contact wchutt@monsanto.com + +or phone at + +314 576 3798 after 6 pm CDT +";10;True +"From: rodc@fc.hp.com (Rod Cerkoney) +Subject: *$G4qxF,fekVH6 +Nntp-Posting-Host: hpfcmrc.fc.hp.com +Organization: Hewlett Packard, Fort Collins, CO +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8.5] +Lines: 15 + + + +-- + + +Regards, +Rod Cerkoney + /\ +______________________________________________ /~~\ + / \ + Rod Cerkoney MS 37 email: / \ + Hewlett Packard rodc@fc.hp.com /\ / \ + 3404 East Harmony Rd. Hpdesk: / \/ \ /\ + Fort Collins, CO 80525 HP4000/UX / \ \ / \ +_____________________________________________/ \ \/ \__ +";0;True +"Subject: CDs for sale [update] +From: koutd@hiramb.hiram.edu (DOUGLAS KOU) +Organization: Hiram College +Nntp-Posting-Host: hiramb.hiram.edu +Lines: 31 + +CDs for sale shipping is included + +Barcelona Gold Freddie Mercury, Tevin Campbell, En Vogue + INXS, Madonna, Eric Clapton, Sarah Brightman + ($9.00) + +Wayne's World Queen, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Alice Cooper + Eric Clapton + ($9.00) + +Extreme II Pronograffitti + ($9.00) + +Saturday Night Live Band Live from New York + ($7.00) + +Harry Connick, JR. Blue Light *Sold* + (just open, $10.00) + +Dances with Woives ($9.00) *Sold* + +Handel Classical ($ 6.00) *Sold* + + +Please send your reply to koutd@hirama.hiram.edu +Package deal is welcome. + +Douglas Kou +Hiram College + + +";8;True +"From: mathew +Subject: Re: I think you mean circular, not recursive, but that is semantics. +> Recursiveness has no problems, it is just horribly inefficient (just ask +> any assembly programmer.) + +Tail-recursive functions in Scheme are at least as efficient as iterative +loops. Anyone who doesn't program in assembler will have heard of optimizing +compilers. + + +mathew +";9;True +"From: feilimau@leland.Stanford.EDU (Christopher Yale Lin) +Subject: Mac IIsi Power Limitations +Summary: What are they? +Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA +Lines: 9 + + +I own a Mac IIsi and am considering upgrades (cards, hard drive, etc). +Can you tell me what the power limitations are for 1) the PDS slot +and 2) the hard drive power feed. Secondly, Can you tell me if there +is a separate limit for each, or if instead, there is a single limit +for both combined? + +felix lin, a new reader of comp.sys.mac.hardware +feilimau@leland.stanford.edu +";0;True +"From: mini@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Padmini Srivathsa) +Subject: WANTED : Info on Image Databases +Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee +Lines: 15 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4 +Originator: mini@csd4.csd.uwm.edu + + Guess the subject says it all. + I would like references to any introductory material on Image + Databases. + Please send any pointers to mini@point.cs.uwm.edu + + Thanx in advance! + + + + +-- +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ +-< MINI >- mini@point.cs.uwm.edu | mini@csd4.csd.uwm.edu +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ + +";1;True +"From: holland@CS.ColoState.EDU (douglas craig holland) +Subject: Re: Secret algorithm [Re: Clipper Chip and crypto key-escrow] +Nntp-Posting-Host: beethoven.cs.colostate.edu +Organization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department +Keywords: encryption, wiretap, clipper, key-escrow, Mykotronx +Lines: 53 + +In article strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes: +> +>Though some may argue about the nose of the camel, it's worth noting that +>the government proposal is limited to scrambled telephony. If it is only +>used for that purpose, and does not extend to electronic mail or file +>encryption, then it IS an improvement over the current mass-produced +>standard civilian technology which, with a few exceptions, is limited to +>easy-to-break inverters. +> +>Note that the big issue for the feds is the continued ability to wiretap. +>Before we go off the deep end with long discusions about secure crypto for +>e-mail and files, let's focus on this. +> +>One question that was not asked in the release is whether this proposal is +>limited to telephony, or if the government intends to expand it. +> +>Though I share many of the concerns expressed by some, I find the proposal +>less threatening than many others, since right now most Americans have no +>secure telephony, and any jerk with a pair of clip leads and a ""goat"" can +>eavesdrop. This would also plug up the security hole in cellular and +>cordless phones. +> +>------- +> +>Reading between the lines, I infer that the system is highly secure +>without access to the keys. This would meet the needs of U.S. businesses +>confronted by rich and powerful adversaries, including French and Japanese +>security services and rich Japanese companies. It allows the NSA to make +>available some of its better stuff while protecting law enforcement needs. +> +>Most legitimate U.S. corporations trust the NSA, and would be delighted to +>have a high-security system certified by them, even at the price of +>depositing keys in escrow. I see no difficulty in creating a reliable +>escrow. Corporations entrust their secrets to attorneys every day of the +>week, and that system has worked pretty well. +> +>From my point of view this is a fair starting point. There are concerns that +>need to be addressed, including the reliability of the escrows. But in +>return we get access to high-security crypto. Many have suggested that DES +>and other systems may be breakable by the NSA and hence others similarly +>skilled and endowed. There is at least a good possibility (which should be +>checked) that the proposed system is not so breakable. It doesn't have to +>be, nor does it have to have trapdoors, if the government can get the keys +>pursuant to a legitimate court order. Thus they can protect legitimate +>communications against economic adversaries, while still being able to +>eavesdrop on crooks pursuant to a court order. +> + Let me ask you this. Would you trust Richard Nixon with your +crypto keys? I wouldn't. + + Doug Holland + + +";16;True +"From: galvint@cs.nps.navy.mil (thomas galvin) +Subject: Re: Bay area media (Wings-Leafs coverage) +Organization: Naval Postgraduate School, Monterey CA +Lines: 30 + +In article dreier@durban.berkeley.edu (Roland Dreier) writes: +>The San Francisco Bay area media is reporting tonight that the Detroit +>Red Wings beat the Toronto Maple Leafs 6-3. Can someone who is not +>part of the media conspiracy against the Leafs tell me how the game +>really went (I am expecting a 4-0 win for the Leafs, shutout for +>Potvin, hat trick for Andreychuk and a goal and 3 assists for +>Gilmour). If the Leafs really lost, how many penalties did whichever +>biased ref was at the game have to call against the Leafs to let the +>Red Wings win? +> +>Thank you very much. +>-- +>Roland Dreier dreier@math.berkeley.edu + + +Sorry to disappoint you but the Red Wings earned the victory...easily. + +I watched most of the game on ESPN (as soon as I realized that they +were televising the game which was at the beginning of the second). +The Maple Leafs were flat. Very flat. Meanwhile, the Red Wings were +skating very freely and dictating the pace of the game. I didn't +detect any bad penalty calls (Van Hellemond did his usual good job). +Toronto looked like how I expected them to for their first playoff +game in a few years -- nervous. + +For the Leafs sake, I hope they can rid themselves of the butterflies +for game 2. If game 1 is indicative of the series, it's gonna go +quick. + +-Tom Galvin galvint@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil +";13;True +"From: healta@saturn.wwc.edu (Tammy R Healy) +Subject: Re: Requests +Lines: 53 +Organization: Walla Walla College +Lines: 53 + +In article <11857@vice.ICO.TEK.COM> bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert Beauchaine) writes: +>From: bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert Beauchaine) +>Subject: Re: Requests +>Date: 19 Apr 93 18:25:08 GMT +>In article mayne@cs.fsu.edu writes: +>> +(excess stuff deleted...) + + +> However, it seems that a local church elder has been getting +> revelations from god about a devastating quake scheduled to level +> the area on May 3rd. He has independent corroboration from +> several friends, who apparently have had similar revelations. The +> 5.7 quake was, in fact, in response to a request from the lot of +> them seeking a sign from god on the veracity of their visions. +> +> None of this would be terribly interesting, except for the amount +> of stir it has created in the area. Many, many people are taking +> these claims very seriously. There are some making plans to be +> out of the are on the target date. My local religious radio +> station devoted 4 hours of discussion on the topic. +> +> I even called up during one of the live broadcasts to tell the +> host that he would have a full account of my conversion on May +> 4th, provided my family and I survived the devastation and ruin +> that will invariably follow the quake. +> +>/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ +> +>Bob Beauchaine bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM +> +>They said that Queens could stay, they blew the Bronx away, +>and sank Manhattan out at sea. +> +>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ + +I know of a similar incident about 3 years ago. A climatologist( Ithink +that was his profession) named Iben Browning predicted that an earthquake +would hit the New Madrid fault on Dec.3. Some schools in Missouri that were +on the fault line actually cancelled school for the day. Many people +evacuated New Madrid and other towns in teh are. I wouldn't be suprised if +there were more journalists in the area than residents. Of course, teh +earthquake never occured. HOw do I know about his? I used to live in +Southern Illinois and the lican middle school was built directly on the +fault line. No we still had school... We laughed at the poor idiots who +believed the prediction. :):):):) + +Bob, if you're wanting an excuse to convert to Christianity, you gonna have +to look elsewhere. + +Tammy ""No Trim"" Healy + + +";9;True +"From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) +Subject: Re: Menangitis question +Article-I.D.: pitt.19439 +Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) +Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science +Lines: 42 + +In article brooksby@brigham.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Glen W Brooksby) writes: +>This past weekend a friend of mine lost his 13 month old +>daughter in a matter of hours to a form of menangitis. The +>person informing me called it 'Nicereal Meningicocis' (sp?). +>In retrospect, the disease struck her probably sometime on +>Friday evening and she passed away about 2:30pm on Saturday. +>The symptoms seemed to be a rash that started small and +>then began progressing rapidly. She began turning blue +>eventually which was the tip-off that this was serious +>but by that time it was too late (this is all second hand info.). +> +>My question is: +>Is this an unusual form of Menangitis? How is it transmitted? +>How does it work (ie. how does it kill so quickly)? +> + +No, the neiseria meningococcus is one of the most common +forms of meningitis. It's the one that sometimes sweeps +schools or boot camp. It is contagious and kills by attacking +the covering of the brain, causing the blood vessels to thrombose +and the brain to swell up. + +It is very treatable if caught in time. There isn't much time, +however. The rash is the tip off. Infants are very susceptible +to dying from bacterial meningitis. Any infant with a fever who +becomes stiff or lethargic needs to be rushed to a hospital where +a spinal tap will show if they have meningitis. Seizures can also +occur. + +>Immediate family members were told to take some kind of medication +>to prevent them from being carriers, yet they didn't have +>any concerns about my wife and I coming to visit them. +> + +It can live in the throat of carriers. Don't worry, you won't get +it from them, especially if they took the medication. + +-- +---------------------------------------------------------------------------- +Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and +geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" +---------------------------------------------------------------------------- +";4;True +"From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) +Subject: Re: Old Predictions to laugh at... +Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853 +Lines: 12 + +In article philly@ravel.udel.edu (Robert C Hite) writes: +> +>DEAD WRONG! Last time I checked, Jim Fregosi was still managing the +>Phillies, and doing quite a fine job thank you...best record in +>baseball at 8-1 + +Look, asshole, I got him confused with somebody else. I didn't flame +you, and I would appreciate it if you extended me the same courtesy. + +No, I don't know everything in the world. Does that surprise you? + +-Valentine +";14;True +"From: rats@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (Morris the Cat) +Subject: Re: Ban All Firearms ! +Organization: AT&T +Distribution: usa +Lines: 38 + + +| Firearms tend to fall into this low dollar/pound area. +| It would not be economic to smuggle them in. All production +| would have to be local. There are not all that many people +| who have both the skill AND motivation to assemble worthwhile +| firearms from scratch. High-ranking crime figures could +| obtain imported Uzis and such, but the average person, and +| average thug, would be lucky to get a zip-gun - and would +| pay through the nose for it. + +This is not borne out of reality; the old Soviet Union had a very +serious domestic handgun and submachinegun trade, guns that were +of commercial grade because they were produced in honest-to-goodness +machineshops. Why would all production have to be local; don't we +have a road system that is the envy of the world? + +I seem to recall incidents in the past where Chinese entreprenaurs +attempted to smuggle AK-47s (semi-autos) into this country to +get around import number limitations (May have been Gunweek where +I read that years ago...) + +Any person with high-school drafting skills and vocational school +machineshop training could produce a submachinegun. You talk about +the average person not being able get even a zip-gun; well now, think +of all that private CNC controlled machinery that is not being used for +3 shifts a day; do you think that if guns were being sold on the +black market for say, $150, an enterprising mechanical engineer +could be using that machinery to produce workable submachineguns +for sale? After all, GUNWEEK had an article and pictures on how BATF +was looking for the manufacturer of quite efficient silencers that +were of commercial quality and finish. + +Look at it this way, 25% of the U.S. households have a handgun. Say +at least half of those keep one for self-defense. You are talking a +potential market of of tens of millions of people who would seek +firearms for the purpose of self-preservation. Only a fool would +believe that market would not be filled, regardless of government +prohibitions. +";3;True +"From: cobb@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Mike Cobb) +Subject: Christian Morality is +Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana +Lines: 51 + +In <11836@vice.ICO.TEK.COM> bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert Beauchaine) writes: + +>In article cobb@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Mike +Cobb) writes: +>>In <11825@vice.ICO.TEK.COM> bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert Beauchaine) +writes: +>> +>> +>>> Actually, my atheism is based on ignorance. Ignorance of the +>>> existence of any god. Don't fall into the ""atheists don't believe +>>> because of their pride"" mistake. +>> +>>How do you know it's based on ignorance, couldn't that be wrong? Why would it +>>be wrong +>>to fall into the trap that you mentioned? +>> + +> If I'm wrong, god is free at any time to correct my mistake. That +> he continues not to do so, while supposedly proclaiming his +> undying love for my eternal soul, speaks volumes. + +What are the volumes that it speaks besides the fact that he leaves your +choices up to you? + +> As for the trap, you are not in a position to tell me that I don't +> believe in god because I do not wish to. Unless you can know my +> motivations better than I do myself, you should believe me when I +> say that I earnestly searched for god for years and never found +> him. + +I definitely agree that it's rather presumptuous for either ""side"" to give some +psychological reasoning for another's belief. + +MAC +>/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ + +>Bob Beauchaine bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM + +>They said that Queens could stay, they blew the Bronx away, +>and sank Manhattan out at sea. + +>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ + +-- +**************************************************************** + Michael A. Cobb + ""...and I won't raise taxes on the middle University of Illinois + class to pay for my programs."" Champaign-Urbana + -Bill Clinton 3rd Debate cobb@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu + +With new taxes and spending cuts we'll still have 310 billion dollar deficits. +";9;True +"From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) +Subject: Re: Level 5? +Organization: Texas Instruments Inc +Distribution: sci +Lines: 33 + +In 18084TM@msu.edu (Tom) writes: + + +>Nick Haines sez; +>>(given that I've heard the Shuttle software rated as Level 5 in +>>maturity, I strongly doubt that this [having lots of bugs] is the case). + +>Level 5? Out of how many? What are the different levels? I've never +>heard of this rating system. Anyone care to clue me in? + +SEI Level 5 (the highest level -- the SEI stands for Software +Engineering Institute). I'm not sure, but I believe that this rating +only applies to the flight software. Also keep in mind that it was +*not* achieved through the use of sophisticated tools, but rather +through a 'brute force and ignorance' attack on the problem during the +Challenger standdown - they simply threw hundreds of people at it and +did the whole process by hand. I would not consider receiving a 'Warning' +status on systems which are not yet in use would detract much (if +anything) from such a rating -- I'll have to get the latest copy of +the guidelines to make sure (they just issued new ones, I think). + +Also keep in mind that the SEI levels are concerned primarily with +control of the software process; the assumption is that a +well controlled process will produce good software. Also keep in mind +that SEI Level 5 is DAMNED HARD. Most software in this country is +produced by 'engineering practicies' that only rate an SEI Level 1 (if +that). + +-- +""Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live + in the real world."" -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden +------------------------------------------------------------------------------ +Fred.McCall@dseg.ti.com - I don't speak for others and they don't speak for me. +";2;True +"From: jks4675@ritvax.isc.rit.edu +Subject: Conner 120 MB Question +Nntp-Posting-Host: vaxa.isc.rit.edu +Reply-To: jks4675@ritvax.isc.rit.edu +Organization: Rochester Institute of Technology + +What do I need to do to configure this drive as a slave? +Model# CP30101G + +Please reply via e-mail. Thanks!! + +Jeff +**************************************************************** +* Four out of five electrons prefer holes for their mutual * +* annhiliation needs. Boycott Sierra. Ignore anybody who * +* purports to be a serious Windows user. Support new makers * +* of hardware and software. Buy Canadian music. Quit smoking. * +* Take up running. FM synthesis is the CGA of audio. * +* JKS4675@RITVAX.ISC.RIT.EDU * +**************************************************************** +";5;True +"From: baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) +Subject: Re: Comet in Temporary Orbit Around Jupiter? +Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory +Lines: 30 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov +News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 + +In article <1psfan$pj0@access.digex.net>, prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes... +>In article <6APR199314571378@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov> baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) writes: +>|Comet Gehrels 3, which was discovered in 1977, was determined to have +>|been in a temporary Jovian orbit from 1970 to 1973. Comet Shoemaker-Levy 1993e +>|may remain in orbit around Jupiter long enough to allow Galileo to +>|make some closeup observations. The orbital trajectory for Comet +>|Shoemaker-Levy is still being determined. +>a +> +>What about positional uncertainties in S-L 1993e? + +If Comet Shoemaker-Levy 1993e is in Jovian orbit, and if the comet +is still hanging around when Galileo arrives, then I'm sure it will +be added to the list of targets. We'll have by then over two years +of Earth-based observations to help narrow down the positions of the +pieces of the comet. It probably won't be too much different than +what was done with Gaspra. + +>But when they were +>imaging toutatis? + +Galileo did not image Toutatis. That came from Earth-based radar. + + ___ _____ ___ + /_ /| /____/ \ /_ /| Ron Baalke | baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov + | | | | __ \ /| | | | Jet Propulsion Lab | + ___| | | | |__) |/ | | |__ M/S 525-3684 Telos | Being cynical never helps +/___| | | | ___/ | |/__ /| Pasadena, CA 91109 | to correct the situation +|_____|/ |_|/ |_____|/ | and causes more aggravation + | instead. +";2;True +"From: an780@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Travis Grundke) +Subject: New Duo Dock With Processor: Here's Why +Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) +Lines: 22 +Reply-To: an780@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Travis Grundke) +NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu + + +Well folks, after some thought the answer struck me flat in the face: + +""Why would Apple release a Duo Dock with a processor of its own?"" + +Here's why- People have hounded Apple for a notebook with a 68040 processor +in it. Apple can't deliver that right now because the 040 saps too much +power, radiates far too much heat, and is too large for a notebook. How +does one get around that without designing a new chipset? Use existing +PowerBook technology to your best advantage. The Duo Dock gives Apple a +unique ability to give users that 040 power in a ""Semi-Portable"" fashion. +By plunking the 040 into the Dock, you've got ""quadra"" power at your desk. +On the road, that 33mhz 68030 should be able to handle most of your needs. +Okay, not the BEST solution, but its an answer to a no-win situation. :-) +So, does this mean one will be able to use the PowerBook's processor in +parallel to the dock's processor? Okay, we're getting REALLY hypothetical +now... +-- +Travis Grundke | MacGames Digest- Your #1 Source for Information, +Contributing Editor, | News & Reviews of Gaming Software and the Gaming +MacGames Digest | Industry in the Macintosh Community. Reply +an780@cleveland.freenet.Edu | For More Information on MacGames Digest. +";0;True +"From: Patrick Walker +Subject: Red Wings Goespel... +Lines: 19 +Organization: The University of New Brunswick + +Detroit's going to beat Toronto in 6 or LESS!!! + + Granted, Gilmour should get the Hart Trophy, NOT Lemieux... Just +Look at what Gilmour did for Toronto. When you think of Toronto, +who comes to mind, Gilmour, Andreychuk, Potvin...ah...did I mentio +n Gilmour? + +Back to Detroit... There really isn't a team that could stand up +to them if all the players on the team play to their potential, +no one could stop them. Yzerman, Fedorov, Coffey, Lindstrom... +there's more firepower there than Pittsburgh... and they don't tri +p over their own skates! +----------------------------------------------------------------------- + /------------/ Detroit over Toronto in 5 Patrick Walker + / /--\------/ Detroit over Chicago in 6 University of New Bruns. + ! ! !---/ Detroit over Vancouver in 6 Canada + \ \__/ / Detroit over Nords in 6 ""Disco Still Sucks!"" + ----------------------------------------------------------------------- + +";13;True +"From: davallen@vms.macc.wisc.edu +Subject: Re: Barbecued foods and health risk +Organization: University of Wisconsin Academic Computing Center +Distribution: world +Lines: 88 + +In article <79738@cup.portal.com>, mmm@cup.portal.com (Mark Robert Thorson) writes... + +>This reminds me of the last Graham Kerr cooking show I saw. Today he +>smoked meat on the stovetop in a big pot! He used a strange technique +>I'd never seen before. +> +>He took a big pot with lid, and placed a tray in it made from aluminum foil. +>The tray was about the size and shape of a typical coffee-table ash tray, +>made by crumpling a sheet of foil around the edges. +> +>In the tray, he placed a couple spoonfuls of brown sugar, a similar +>quantity of brown rice (he said any rice will do), the contents of two +>teabags of Earl Grey tea, and a few cloves. +> +>On top of this was placed an ordinary aluminum basket-type steamer, with +>two chicken breasts in it. The lid was put on, and the whole assembly +>went on the stovetop at high heat for 10 or 12 minutes. +> +>Later, he removed what looked like smoked chicken breasts. What surprises +>and concerns me are: +> +>1) No wood chips. Where does the smoke flavor come from? +> +>2) About 5 or 10 years ago, I remember hearing that carmel color +> (obtained by caramelizing sugar -- a common coloring and flavoring +> agent) had been found to be carcinogenic. I believe they injected +> it under the skin of rats, or something. If the results were conclusive, +> caramel color would not be legal in the U.S., yet it is still being +> used. Was the initial research result found to be incorrect, or what? +> +>3) About 5 or 10 years ago, I remember Earl Grey tea being implicated +> as carcinogenic, because it contains oil of bergamot (an extract +> from the skin of a type of citrus fruit). Does anyone know whatever +> happened with that story? If it were carcinogenic, Earl Grey tea +> could not have it as an additive, yet it apparently continues to do +> so. +> +>WRT natural wood smoke (I've smoking a duck right now, as it happens), +>I've noticed that a heavily-smoked food item will have an unpleasant tangy +>taste when eaten directly out of the smoker if the smoke has only recently +>stopped flowing. I find the best taste to be had by using dry wood chips, +>getting lots of smoke right up at the beginning of the cooking process, +>then slowly barbequing for hours and hours without adding additional wood chips. +> +>My theory is that the unpleasant tangy molecules are low-molecular weight +>stuff, like terpenes, and that the smoky flavor molecules are some sort +>of larger molecule more similar to tar. The long barbeque time after +>the initial intensive smoke drives off the low-molecular weight stuff, +>just leaving the flavor behind. Does anyone know if my theory is correct? +> +>I also remember hearing that the combustion products of fat dripping +>on the charcoal and burning are carcinogenic. For that reason, and because +>it covers the product with soot and some unpleasant tanginess, I only grill +>non-drippy meats like prawns directly over hot coals. I do stuff like this +>duck by indirect heat. I have a long rectangular Weber, and I put the coals +>at one end and the meat at the other end. The fat drops directly on the +>floor below the meat, and next time I use the barbeque I make the fire +>in that end to burn off the fat and help ignite the coals. +> +>And yet another reason I've heard not to smoke or barbeque meat is that +>smoked cured meat, like pork sausage and bacon, contains +>nitrosamines, which are carcinogenic. I'm pretty sure this claim actually +>has some standing, don't know about the others. +> +>An amusing incident I recall was the Duncan Hines scandal, when it was +>discovered that the people who make Duncan Hines cake mix were putting +>a lot of ethylene dibromide (EDB) into the cake mix to suppress weevils. +>This is a fumigant which is known to be carcinogenic. +>The guy who represented the company in the press conference defended +>himself by saying that the risk from eating Duncan Hines products every day +>for a year would be equal to the cancer risk from eating two charcoal- +>broiled steaks. What a great analogy! When I first heard that, my +>immediate reaction was we should make that a standard unit! One charcoal +>broiled steak would be equivalent to 0.5 Duncans! + +I don't understand the assumption that because something is found to +be carcinogenic that ""it would not be legal in the U.S."". I think that +naturally occuring substances (excluding ""controlled"" substances) are +pretty much unregulated in terms of their use as food, food additives +or other ""consumption"". It's only when the chemists concoct (sp?) an +ingredient that it falls under FDA regulations. Otherwise, if they +really looked closely they would find a reason to ban almost everything. +How in the world do you suppose it's legal to ""consume"" tobacco products +(which probably SHOULD be banned)? + + Dave Allen + Space Science & Engr. Ctr. + UW-Madison +";4;True +"From: lvandyke@balboa.eng.uci.edu (Lee Van Dyke) +Subject: Wanted: map of the world type gifs +Nntp-Posting-Host: balboa.eng.uci.edu +Organization: University of California, Irvine +Lines: 11 + +Hi, can anyone direct me to map type gifs? + +I am interesting in cartography and would find +these gifs useful. + +tia, + +-- +Lee Van Dyke + lvandyke@balboa.eng.uci.edu, +UUCP: infotec!Infotec.COM!lee@sunkist.West.Sun.COM +";1;True +"From: fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary) +Subject: Re: the usual +Nntp-Posting-Host: ucsu.colorado.edu +Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder +Lines: 77 + +In article viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) writes: +>>Yes, I am pro-gun, and yes, I do disagree with this statement. +>>Nuclear weapons in and of themselves are dangerous. Radioactive +>>decay of plutonium and uranium, as well as the tritium in the +>>weapon, tends to be somewhat dangerous to living things. +>>(Can you say ""neutron flux""?) + +> Can you say, ""I get more background radiation from living in +>Denver or having an office in a limestone building than I do standing +>next to a power reactor at full power or standing next to a nuclear +>warhead that is armed?"" Look up ""shielding"" in your dictionary. You +>don't need six feet of lead to make decent shielding; your dead skin +>cell layer does an excellent job on alpha particles, and neutrons +>are slowed by mere *water*. What do you think 75% of you is? + +But whatever the neutrons hit has a good chance of absorbing the +neutron and becoming radioactive itself. Mostly, that means water +turning into (harmless) heavy water. But some neutrons would +also hit bones, and the resulting harmfull, secondard radioactives +would remain in the body for decades. I think an unshielded nuclear +warhead could reasonably be considered a public health hazard. + +As for a shielded warhead, I think a fair amount of maintaince +is required for it to remain safely shielded (e.g. storage in +a dry, temperature-regulated facility, etc...) For private +ownership to be unregulated, I think a single individual must +be able not only to keep the weapon, but keep it in a safe +condition. If any random private citizen could not properly +keep, maintain and store a nuclear weapon, then some regulation +is clearly appropriate. + +>> Plus these things have no self- +>>defense purposes. It's kinda hard to justify their use as +>>a militia weapon when at best they are meant for battlefield use +>>(low-yield weapons) or at worst for industrial target obliteration +>>(translation: cities and population centers). + +> If the militia has as its job the overthrow of an illegal +>government, they are indeed useful weapons to the militia. + +I disagree with this purpose: The job of the militia is to defend +themselves and their community. If you look at the American +revolution as an example, the militias won by seperating themselves +from, and becoming independent of, a repressive government. They +didn't overthrow it, and those communities (Canada and England, for +example) that didn't defend themselves were still under that same +old regime. If the role of the militia were offensive, to go out and +destroy repressive governments, nuclear weapons _might_ be appropriate. +But their jobs is defensive, and nuclear weapons aren't suited +for that. + +There is also the question of personal and collective arms: The +Second Amendment definately protects ownership of personal +weapons (since the very nature of the militia requires members +to provide their own arms.) But it isn't clear if it covers +other arms. Certainly, not all members would supply (for example) +a tank, only a few could or (if they were to be used effectively) +should. However, those providing the heavy weapons have a +disproportionate control over the militia and its fierpower. +The militias, as the framers envisioned them, were extremely +democratic: If only 50% of the members supported the cause, only +50% would respond to a muster, and the militia's firepower would +be proportionately reduced. Militia firepower and the popular +will were, therefore, linked. But if a small minority of the +members supplied a large fraction of the firepower (in the +form of heavy weapons) this would all change: The militia's +firepower would depend on the will of a small minority, not +of the general public. Worse, that minority would be quite +different from the general public (at the very least, they +would be much richer.) As a result, I think the nature and +character of the militia requires that each member provide +a roughly equal share of the militia's firepower: His personal +weapons, and some equitable fraction of a squad's heavier firepower. + + Frank Crary + CU Boulder + +";3;True +"From: dpw@sei.cmu.edu (David Wood) +Subject: Request for Support +Organization: Software Engineering Institute +Lines: 35 + + + +I have a request for those who would like to see Charley Wingate +respond to the ""Charley Challenges"" (and judging from my e-mail, there +appear to be quite a few of you.) + +It is clear that Mr. Wingate intends to continue to post tangential or +unrelated articles while ingoring the Challenges themselves. Between +the last two re-postings of the Challenges, I noted perhaps a dozen or +more posts by Mr. Wingate, none of which answered a single Challenge. + +It seems unmistakable to me that Mr. Wingate hopes that the questions +will just go away, and he is doing his level best to change the +subject. Given that this seems a rather common net.theist tactic, I +would like to suggest that we impress upon him our desire for answers, +in the following manner: + +1. Ignore any future articles by Mr. Wingate that do not address the +Challenges, until he answers them or explictly announces that he +refuses to do so. + +--or-- + +2. If you must respond to one of his articles, include within it +something similar to the following: + + ""Please answer the questions posed to you in the Charley Challenges."" + +Really, I'm not looking to humiliate anyone here, I just want some +honest answers. You wouldn't think that honesty would be too much to +ask from a devout Christian, would you? + +Nevermind, that was a rhetorical question. + +--Dave Wood +";9;True +"From: declrckd@rtsg.mot.com (Dan J. Declerck) +Subject: Re: edu breaths +Nntp-Posting-Host: corolla17 +Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group +Lines: 53 + +In article <1993Apr15.221024.5926@rtsg.mot.com> svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda) writes: +>In article <1993Apr15.214910.5676@rtsg.mot.com> declrckd@rtsg.mot.com (Dan J. Declerck) writes: +>|In article <1993Apr15.003749.15710@rtsg.mot.com> svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda) writes: +>|>In article <1993Apr14.220252.14731@rtsg.mot.com> declrckd@rtsg.mot.com (Dan J. Declerck) writes: +>|>| +>|>|The difference of opinion, and difference in motorcycling between the sport-bike +>|>|riders and the cruiser-bike riders. +>|> +>|>That difference is only in the minds of certain closed-minded individuals. I +>|>have had the very best motorcycling times with riders of ""cruiser"" +>|>bikes (hi Don, Eddie!), yet I ride anything but. +>| +>|Continuously, on this forum, and on the street, you find quite a difference +>|between the opinions of what motorcycling is to different individuals. +> +>Yes, yes, yes. Motorcycling is slightly different to each and every one of us. This +>is the nature of people, and one of the beauties of the sport. +> +>|Cruiser-bike riders have a different view of motorcycling than those of sport bike riders +>|(what they like and dislike about motorcycling). This is not closed-minded. +> +>And what view exactly is it that every single rider of cruiser bikes holds, a veiw +>that, of course, no sport-bike rider could possibly hold? Please quantify your +>generalization for us. Careful, now, you're trying to pigeonhole a WHOLE bunch +>of people. +> +That plastic bodywork is useless. That torque, and an upright riding position is +better than a slightly or radically forward riding position combined with a high-rpm +low torque motor. + +To a cruiser-motorcyclist, chrome has some importance. To sport-bike motorcyclists +chrome has very little impact on buying choice. + +Unless motivated solely by price, these are the criteria each rider uses to select +the vehicle of choice. + +To ignore these, as well as other criteria, would be insensitive. In other words, +no one motorcycle can fufill the requirements that a sport-bike rider and a cruiser +rider may have.(sometimes it's hard for *any* motorcycle to fufill a person's requirements) + +You're fishing for flames, Dave. + +This difference of opinion is analogous to the difference +between Sports-car owners, and luxury-car owners. + +This is a moot conversation. + + +-- +=> Dan DeClerck | EMAIL: declrckd@rtsg.mot.com <= +=> Motorola Cellular APD | <= +=>""Friends don't let friends wear neon""| Phone: (708) 632-4596 <= +---------------------------------------------------------------------------- +";7;True +"From: craig@toontown.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Craig S. Williamson) +Subject: Video in/out +Reply-To: craig@toontown.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Craig S. Williamson) +Distribution: na +Organization: NCR E&M Columbia, SC +Lines: 14 + + +I'm getting ready to buy a multimedia workstation and would like a little +advice. I need a graphics card that will do video in and out under windows. +I was originally thinking of a Targa+ but that doesn't work under Windows. +What cards should I be looking into? + +Thanks, +Craig + +-- + ""To forgive is divine, to be +-Craig Williamson an airhead is human."" + Craig.Williamson@ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM -Balki Bartokomas + craig@toontown.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (home) Perfect Strangers +";1;True +"From: wtm@uhura.neoucom.edu (Bill Mayhew) +Subject: Re: mysterious TV problem -- source? +Organization: Northeastern Ohio Universities College of Medicine +Lines: 19 + +If the set is direct line powered, try checking the [likely to be +there] hybrid regulator module down stream from the 170 volt +supply. Several sets I've looked at use a 135 volt regulator. The +regulators have a tendency to short out, making the safety circuits +shut down the EHT supply section. + +Try putting the set on a Variac or adjustable transformer and lower +the AC input voltage to the set to about 90 volts. If the set +operates nromally, then you know you've got a shorted regulator. + +There are myriad other areas for problems, but I've seen the one +above several times. Also, if the set uses one, the trippler +module may be shot; that's fairly common. + + +-- +Bill Mayhew NEOUCOM Computer Services Department +Rootstown, OH 44272-9995 USA phone: 216-325-2511 +wtm@uhura.neoucom.edu (140.220.1.1) 146.580: N8WED +";11;True +"From: doug@hparc0.aus.hp.com (Doug Parsons) +Subject: Re: 3d-Studio V2.01 : Any differences with previous version +Organization: HP Australasian Response Centre (Melbourne) +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8.5] +Lines: 10 + +FOMBARON marc (fombaron@ufrima.imag.fr) wrote: +: Are there significant differences between V2.01 and V2.00 ? +: Thank you for helping + + +No. As I recall, the only differences are in the 3ds.set parameters - some +of the defaults have changed slightly. I'll look when I get home and let +you know, but there isn't enough to actually warrant upgrading. + +douginoz +";1;True +"From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) +Subject: Re: Command Loss Timer (Re: Galileo Update - 04/22/93) +Keywords: Galileo, JPL +Organization: Texas Instruments Inc +Lines: 25 + +In <1993Apr23.103038.27467@bnr.ca> agc@bmdhh286.bnr.ca (Alan Carter) writes: + +>In article <22APR199323003578@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov>, baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) writes: +>|> 3. On April 19, a NO-OP command was sent to reset the command loss timer to +>|> 264 hours, its planned value during this mission phase. + +>This activity is regularly reported in Ron's interesting posts. Could +>someone explain what the Command Loss Timer is? + +The Command Loss Timer is a timer that does just what its name says; +it indicates to the probe that it has lost its data link for receiving +commands. Upon expiration of the Command Loss Timer, I believe the +probe starts a 'search for Earth' sequence (involving antenna pointing +and attitude changes which consume fuel) to try to reestablish +communications. No-ops are sent periodically through those periods +when there are no real commands to be sent, just so the probe knows +that we haven't forgotten about it. + +Hope that's clear enough to be comprehensible. + +-- +""Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live + in the real world."" -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden +------------------------------------------------------------------------------ +Fred.McCall@dseg.ti.com - I don't speak for others and they don't speak for me. +";2;True +"From: wb9omc@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu (Duane P Mantick) +Subject: Re: IR remote control receiver +Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network +Lines: 29 + +ab616@Freenet.carleton.ca (Marc Dion) writes: + + +>For a project of my own, I would like to build a Infra-Red Remote control +>receiver (for regular VCRs and TVs remotes). Does anybody have any info +>or tips on how to build such receiver ? +>In particular, +>a) which photo detector should I use (which wavelength do remotes use) ? +>b) which ICs or circuit should I use ? +>c) any suggestions for circuit layout + +>Please reply to this group (if you wish), but as well via e-mail (my +>link to usenet is not always available). + + I'd like to see this info as well. As for wavelength, I think +you're primarily going to find two - 880 nM +/- a bit, and/or 950 nM ++/- a bit. Usually it is about 10 nM either way. The two most common +I have seen were 880 and 950 but I have also heard of 890 and 940. +I'm not sure that the 10 nM one way or another will make a great deal of +difference. + + Another suggestion - find a brand of TV that uses an IR remote, +and go look at the SAMS photofact for it. You can often find some very +detailed schematics and parts list for not only the receiver but the +transmitter as well, including carrier freq. specs. and tone decoding +specs. if the system uses that. + +Duane + +";11;True +"From: infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew Infante) +Subject: Re: LONG TRIPS +Organization: Duke University; Durham, N.C. +Lines: 27 +Nntp-Posting-Host: north1.acpub.duke.edu + +In article <18859.1076.uupcb@freddy.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> mark.harrison@freddy.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Mark Harrison) writes: +>I am new to motorcycliing (i.e. Don't even have a bike yet) and will be +>going on a long trip from Edmonton to Vancouver. Any tips on bare +>essentials for the trip? Tools, clothing, emergency repairs...? + +Er, without a bike (Ed, maybe you ought to respond to this...), how +you gonna get there? + +If yer going by cage, what's this got to do with r.m? + +> +>I am also in the market for a used cycle. Any tips on what to look for +>so I don't get burnt? +> +>Much appreciated +>Mark +> + +Maybe somebody oughta gang-tool-FAQ this guy, hmmm? + + + +-- +Andy Infante | You can listen to what everybody says, but the fact remains | +'71 BMW R60/5 | that you've got to get out there and do the thing yourself. | +DoD #2426 | -- Joan Sutherland | +==============| My opinions, dammit, have nothing to do with anyone else!!! | +";7;True +"From: joes@telxon.mis.telxon.com (Joe Staudt) +Subject: Re: Trading in a car that's not paid for...Pointers Please +Organization: TELXON Corporation +Distribution: usa +Lines: 35 + +In article <49422@fibercom.COM> rrg@rtp.fibercom.com (Rhonda Gaines) writes: +> +>I'm planning on purchasing a new car and will be trading in my '90 +>Mazda MX-6 DX. I've still got 2 more years to pay on it. How does +>that get taken into account when I purchase my new car? Does the +>dealership pay off my car and add on the amount they had to pay to +>the purchase price of the new car? someone please explain this to +>me. + +If you don't already know it, you should call the bank/credit union/ +finance company that holds the loan on your present car and get the +current payoff cost. + +If you are trading in your current car on the new car, subtract the +payoff amount from the trade-in the dealer is giving you. (If this +turns out to be a negative number, you need to reconsider the deal.) +Subtract this difference from the price of the new car. This is the +size of the loan you will need for the new car. + +The dealer will take care of paying off the loan on your old car out +of the money you give them when you pick up your new car. + +At least that's how it worked for me 5 years ago in Ohio... + +> +> -thanks +> rhonda + + + +-- +Joseph Staudt, Telxon Corp. | joes@telxon.com +P.O. Box 5582 | ""Usenet is like Tetris for people who still +Akron, OH 44334-0582 | remember how to read."" +(216) 867-3700 x3522 | -- J. Heller +";10;True +"From: rmohns@vax.clarku.edu +Subject: RE: Win NT - what is it??? +Organization: Clark University +Lines: 52 + +In a previous article, alanchem@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Alan Scott Olson) wrote: +>Two-part question: +> +>1) What is Windows NT - a 'real' windows OS? +> +>2) This past weekend, a local 'hacker' radio show metioned a new product +> from Microsoft called 'Chicago' if I recall. Anyone know what this is? +> +>That is it - +> +>Thanks a heap. +> +>- Alan + +Windows NT is a giant Windows Operating System. Unline Win3.1, it does not +run on top of DOS. It is its own OS, with (Billy Gates assures us) true +multi-tasking/multithreading, meets DOD security specs, will run win3.1 +programs as well as DOS programs, has multi-processor support, and is +primarily a Server program. It's overhead is too high for it to be +economical for most users. + Speaking of overhead, it requires at least a 386 with 16 megs of RAM. +It iwll run with 12, but that's like running OS/2 2.0 with 4 megs. And that's +just to run it. Also, I have heard that the system files take up 30-50 Megs, +and it is recommended that your drive be a half gig! The SKD is distributed +on CD-ROM. + +Chicogo is what I want to use. It is, like NT, a true OS with thrue +multitasking and multithreading, but has much smaller hardware requirements, +and does not meet DOD security specs (but that's okay since it will probably +be more of a client OS). there are a few otehr differences, but those are the +main ones. There was an article about Chicogo in PC Week last August. + The Chicogo and NT development groups at Micro$oft are in intense +competition, so it is said. However, I think a different relationship will +arise: NT will be the server (*N*etowrk *T*echonology), Chicogo will be the +client machine. It is entirely possible for different OS's to work together, +partly because Chicogo is just a small NT (think of it that way, anyway). +(Novell Netware creates an OS on the server that is truly not DOS, so don't +scorn the concept.) + Anyway, don't expect it soon. Windows 4 and DOS 7 are supposed to be +released next year (read: see it in 95), so I expect that Chicogo won't be out +til '96. + With luck, I'll be proven wrong! =) + +Rob + + |------------------------------------------------------------| + \ rmohns@vax.clarku.edu / + _________\ /________ + \ Rob Mohns / + ================================================== + Annoy Rush Limbaugh. Think for yourself. + ================================================== +";6;True +"From: gsulliva@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Glenn A Sullivan) +Subject: Re: making copy of a Video tape +Summary: Here is Go-Video +Organization: Arizona State University +Lines: 14 + +In article <136390006@hpcuhe.cup.hp.com>, pi@hpcuhe.cup.hp.com (Paul Ilgenfritz) writes: +> +> I think the Go Video dual cassette machines do a direct tape to tape copy +> which transfers Macrovision to the copy. I you can find one of these, it +> would be worth a try. + +Go-Video machines used in HQ2 mode will copy even the MacroVision. +Go-Video phone number (602)998-3400. + +Ask for sales department. Since the state of Arizona does not go on +Daylight Savings time, we effectively are in Pacific time zone. + +Allen Sullivan +Designing various stuff for GO-Video +";11;True +"From: sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com (Gary Merrill) +Subject: Re: Science and methodology (was: Homeopathy ... tradition?) +Originator: sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com +Distribution: inet +Nntp-Posting-Host: theseus.unx.sas.com +Organization: SAS Institute Inc. +Lines: 43 + + +In article <1qk4qqINNgvs@im4u.cs.utexas.edu>, turpin@cs.utexas.edu (Russell Turpin) writes: +|> -*----- +|> In article <1993Apr15.150550.15347@ecsvax.uncecs.edu> ccreegan@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Charles L. Creegan) writes: +|> > What about Kekule's infamous derivation of the idea of benzene rings +|> > from a daydream of snakes in the fire biting their tails? Is this +|> > specific enough to count? Certainly it turns up repeatedly in basic +|> > phil. of sci. texts as an example of the inventive component of +|> > hypothesizing. +|> +|> I think the question is: What is extra-scientific about this? +|> +|> It has been a long time since anyone has proposed restrictions on +|> where one comes up with ideas in order for them to be considered +|> legitimate hypotheses. The point, in short, is this: hypotheses and +|> speculation in science may come from wild flights of fancy, +|> daydreams, ancient traditions, modern quackery, or anywhere else. +|> +|> Russell +|> + +Yes, but typically they *don't*. Not every wild flight of fancy serves +(or can serve) in the appropriate relation to a hypothesis. It is +somewhat interesting that when anyone is challanged to provide an +example of this sort the *only* one they come up with is the one about +Kekule. Surely, there must be others. But apparently this is regarded +as an *extreme* example of a ""non-rational"" process in science whereby +a successful hypothesis was proposed. But how non-rational is it? + +Of course we can't hope (currently at least) to explain how or why +Kekule had the daydream of snakes in the fire biting their tails. +Surely it wasn't the *only* daydream he had. What was special about +*this* one? Could it have had something to do with a perceived +*analogy* between the geometry of the snakes and problems concerning +geometry of molecules? Is such analogical reasoning ""extra-scientific""? +Or is it rather at the very heart of science (Perice's notion of abduction, +the use of models within and across disciplines)? Upon close examination, +is there a non-rational mystical leap taking place, or is it perhaps +closer to a formal (though often incomplete) analogy or model? +-- +Gary H. Merrill [Principal Systems Developer, C Compiler Development] +SAS Institute Inc. / SAS Campus Dr. / Cary, NC 27513 / (919) 677-8000 +sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com ... !mcnc!sas!sasghm +";4;True +"From: u083s121@astro.ocis.temple.edu (cis083 sec001 spr93) +Subject: Leading Edge Computer-Buy? +Organization: Temple University +Lines: 46 +Nntp-Posting-Host: astro.ocis.temple.edu +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] + + + I saw the following computer in a store and wanted to know if this is a good +computer or does someone see something wrong with it. I also would like to +switch the motherboard later when this computer becomes too slow. Does anyone +know if this is possible with a Leading Edge Computer, or will it be difficult +to find a motherboard that will fit in this computer. Any help will be +greatly appreciated. + + Leading Edge- Model PC4170E + + * Intel 486SX/25 Mhz CPU + * Supports Intel OverDrive clock-Doubling Processors(What is this?) + * Upgradable to 486DX2/66 + * 4 MB RAM upgradable to 32 MB + * 8 KB internal cache + * 1.2 MB 5 1/4"" & 1.44 MB 3.5"" Disk Drives + * 213 MB Hard Drive + * 1024 x 768 VGA Video Resolution + * 1 MB Video RAM 256 Colors + * 6 Available 16-bit ISA expansion Slots + * One local bus socket (16-bit ISA Compatible) + * 4 5.25"" drive bays, 3 external + * One 25-pin Centronics type parallel port + * 2 RS-232C Serial Ports (9 & 25 pin) + * One 15-pin analog video connector + * One PS/2 Compatible mouse port + * 200 Watt power supply + * 101 key keyboard and mouse included + * Software includes Windows 3.1, Dos 5.0, Microsoft Works for Windows + + The store wants $1200 (without monitor) for this. Is it a good price? + + Thanks! + +-- +*************************************************** +* * +* Nicole Bell at Temple University Philly, PA * +* * +* E-Mail Address: u083s121@astro.ocis.temple.edu * +* Prodigy: JPKN01A * +* * +* ""If you're not part of the solution - * +* you're part of the precipitate "" * +* Steven Wright * +*************************************************** +";5;True +"From: yb025@uafhp..uark.edu (John Schiefer) +Subject: engagement ring give up +Summary: Beautiful 14k gold band with a .33 carat diamond. very clean. +Keywords: holmes +Article-I.D.: moe.1psvhj$gp5 +Organization: Kansas State University +Lines: 3 +NNTP-Posting-Host: uafhp.uark.edu + +Diamond engagement ring. 14k gold band. 33point diamond. appraised at +1900 dollars. Will sell for 600 dollars. Appraisal available upon request. +send e-mail to yb025@uafhp.uark.edu +";8;True +"From: rscharfy@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ryan C Scharfy) +Subject: Re: How many homosexuals are there? +Nntp-Posting-Host: magnusug.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu +Organization: The Ohio State University +Distribution: usa +Lines: 28 + +In article <1qmtl1$71r@gondor.sdsu.edu> cosc0000@ucssun1.sdsu.edu (Riyadh Al-ha +jmoosa) writes: +>kaldis@romulus.rutgers.edu (Theodore A. Kaldis) writes: +>> Perhaps 1%, but most likely not more than 2%. A new study +>> (discrediting Kinsey) says so. +>> -- +>> The views expressed herein are | Theodore A. Kaldis +>> my own only. Do you seriously | kaldis@remus.rutgers.edu +>> believe that a major university | {...}!rutgers!remus.rutgers.edu!kaldis +>> as this would hold such views??? | +> +> My understanding from my psycology classes is that the percentage is +> more like 10-12% world wide. I would really like to know your source +> for the 1-2% figure. +> +> Riyadh Moosa. +> SDSU-Chemistry. +> cosc0000@ucssun1.sdsu.edu + +Some survey conducted by the U.S. government and some group (I don't know +which) did what they were calling on all the news shows this morning, ""The most +comprehensive survey of sexuality in the past 50 years"". Not an exact quote, +but you get the idea. + +This low percentage is merely one more in a ton of evidence disproving the 10% +theory. + +Ryan +";18;True +"From: smckinty@sunicnc.France.Sun.COM (Steve McKinty - SunConnect ICNC) +Subject: Re: What do Nuclear Site's Cooling Towers do? +Organization: SunConnect +Lines: 26 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: hardy.france.sun.com +Keywords: Nuclear + +In article <1qlg9o$d7q@sequoia.ccsd.uts.EDU.AU>, swalker@uts.EDU.AU (-s87271077-s.walker-man-50-) writes: +> +> +> I really don't know where to post this question so I figured that +> this board would be most appropriate. +> I was wondering about those massive concrete cylinders that +> are ever present at nuclear poer sites. They look like cylinders +> that have been pinched in the middle. Does anybody know what the +> actual purpose of those things are?. I hear that they're called +> 'Cooling Towers' but what the heck do they cool? + +Water. Nuclear stations don't generate electricity directly from the +reactor, they use the reactor to generate heat. The heat is then used to +heat water just as in a conventional oil or coal station, and the +resultant steam drives the turbines. + +The cooling towers are used to cool the steam and recondense it into water +to continue the cycle + +Steve + +-- +Steve McKinty +Sun Microsystems ICNC +38240 Meylan, France +email: smckinty@france.sun.com BIX: smckinty +";11;True +"From: mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith) +Subject: Re: FJ1100/1200 Owners: Tankbag Suggestions Wanted +Organization: University of East Anglia +Lines: 14 + +martenm@chess.ncsu.edu (Mark Marten) writes: + + + +>I am looking for a new tank bag now, and I wondered if you, as follow +>FJ1100/1200 owners, could make some suggestions as to what has, and has +>not worked for you. If there is already a file on this I apologize for +>asking and will gladly accept any flames that are blown my way! + +I've got a Belstaff tankbag on my FJ1100, and it ain't too good. It's +difficult to fix it securely cos of the the tank/fairing/sidepanel layout, +and also with the bars on full lock the bag touches the handlebar switches, +so you get the horn on full left lock and the starter motor on full right!! +If I was buying another I think I'd go for a magnetic one. +";7;True +"From: dick@ahold.nl (Dick Heijne) +Subject: Re: xdm and Solaris2.1 +Organization: Ahold NV, Zaandam, Netherlands, EEC +Lines: 11 + +The XDM on Solaris 2.1 *WAS* broke. Since two weeks, Sun distributes +a patched release, which works fine (supports /etc/shadow and all). +We have it up and running ever since and have not experienced any +problems. Call your local Sun rep. + +Dick. +-- ++==============================Ahold NV===============================+ +| Room 146 , Ankersmidplein 2, 1506 CK Zaandam, The Netherlands, EEC | +| Dick.Heijne@ccsds.ahold.nl - Tel: +31 75 592151, Fax: +31 75 313030 | ++=====================================================================+ +";12;True +"From: victor@hpfrcu03.FRance.hp.COM (Victor GATTEGNO FRENCH CRC) +Subject: Re: Running dxterm's onto Apollo from DEC 5000/240 +Organization: The Internet +Lines: 61 +To: alf@st.nepean.uws.edu.au +Cc: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu + + +> Apollo DN2500 (Domain/OS 10.3, X11R4, Motif ?.?). + +I think you are running Xapollo , it's a X11R3 server ... + +If you want a X11R4 server you should install PSKQ3 (10.3.5) or 10.4 + so you can run Xdomain . + +> +> I get these errors appearing on the DECstation: +> +> > dxterm +> X Toolkit Warning: Cannot convert string ""apCharDel "" to type VirtualBinding +> ... +> Segmentation fault +> +> Any ideas? Is it a Motif problem...are the DEC and Apollo versions of Motif +> incompatible? Or something to do with XKeysymDB? + +In XKeysymDB you could add : +! Apollo specific keysyms +! +apLineDel : 1000FF00 +apCharDel : 1000FF01 +apCopy : 1000FF02 +apCut : 1000FF03 +apPaste : 1000FF04 +apMove : 1000FF05 +apGrow : 1000FF06 +apCmd : 1000FF07 +apShell : 1000FF08 +apLeftBar : 1000FF09 +apRightBar : 1000FF0A +apLeftBox : 1000FF0B +apRightBox : 1000FF0C +apUpBox : 1000FF0D +apDownBox : 1000FF0E +apPop : 1000FF0F +apRead : 1000FF10 +apEdit : 1000FF11 +apSave : 1000FF12 +apExit : 1000FF13 +apRepeat : 1000FF14 +apKP_parenleft : 1000FFA8 +apKP_parenright : 1000FFA9 + + +-- +Victor . + + \ / + ^ ^ +______victor@hpfrcu03.france.hp.com_______oOOo_o_oOOo_________________ + +Victor GATTEGNO + + ""Be Yourself and not what people expect you to be ."" +______________________________________________________________________ + (( + )) + +";12;True +"From: rmt6r@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Roy Matthew Thigpen) +Subject: Re: Impala SS going into production! +Organization: University of Virginia +Distribution: na +Lines: 25 + +qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu writes: +> --From the latest issue of AutoWeek, the Chevy Impala SS will arrive in +> dealer showrooms in mid-1994. Dealers have already been notified. No word +> on the changes to be made for the production version. My question to all of +> you is would you buy it? And how much would you pay for it? +> +> Aamir Qazi +> qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu +> --Why should I care? I'd rather watch drying paint. +> +> -- +> +> Aamir Qazi +> qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu + + +> --Why should I care? I'd rather watch drying paint + +Alright GM!!!! Finally my wishes have come true, Moby Dick with a Corvette +engine. DOn't you think they should maybe spend the money doing something +about the lousy build/quality/design of their bigger selling cars? This is +another example of why GM is in so much trouble. If you're going to stick +the LT-1 or ZR-1 engine in a car, at least make it a nice looking one. +Sheesh +. +";10;True +"From: glang@slee01.srl.ford.com (Gordon Lang) +Subject: Flame Therapy +Article-I.D.: fmsrl7.1pqdfrINN88e +Organization: Ford Motor Company Research Laboratory +Lines: 5 +NNTP-Posting-Host: slee01.srl.ford.com +X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 + +I think it would be a great idea to have a new group created: + +comp.sys.ibm.pc.flame.therapy + +anybody agree? +";5;True +"From: MLINDROOS@FINABO.ABO.FI (Marcus Lindroos INF) +Subject: Into Infinity?(WAS:Re: *Doppelganger* (was Re: Vulcan?) +In-Reply-To: sysmgr@king.eng.umd.edu's message of 15 Apr 1993 22:22:19 GMT +Organization: Abo Akademi University, Finland +X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24 +Lines: 36 + +In <1qkn6rINNett@mojo.eng.umd.edu> sysmgr@king.eng.umd.edu writes: + +> In article <1993Apr15.170048.1@fnalf.fnal.gov>, higgins@fnalf.fnal.gov (Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey) writes: +> +> >This was known as *Journey to the Far Side of the Sun* in the United +> >States and as *Doppelganger* in the U.K... Later, they went +> >on to do more live-action SF series: *UFO* and *Space: 1999*. +> > +> >The astronomy was lousy, but the lifting-body spacecraft, VTOL +> >airliners, and mighty Portugese launch complex were *wonderful* to +> >look at. + +Exactly. Some of the SPACE:1999 effects remain first-rate even today. + +> They recycled a lot of models and theme music for UFO. Some of the +> concepts even showed up in SPACE: 1999. +> + +Later on, the Andersons tried to shed their reputation as creators of some +of the worst pseudo-scientific shows in TV history by flying ""Into Infinity."" +This was a one-off thing done as part of BBC's ""educational SF"" series ""The +Day After Tomorrow."" The Anderson episode dealt with a spaceship capable of +reaching the speed of light (""lightship Altares""), the four-man crew eventually +journeyed into a black hole and ended up on the far side of the galaxy (I +think). I saw this as a 9-year-old back in 1976 and liked it very much, but +then again I was a fan of SPACE:1999 so I guess I was easily satisfied in those +days:-) +--- +Does anyone know if ""Into Infinity"" has been released on video? I have some +SPACE:1999 shows on VHS and know that Thunderbirds etc. also are available in +England. + +MARCU$ +> +> Software engineering? That's like military intelligence, isn't it? +> -- > SYSMGR@CADLAB.ENG.UMD.EDU < -- +";2;True +"From: Rob Earhart +Subject: Re: Animation with XPutImage()? +Organization: Pittsburgh Supercomputing Center +Lines: 38 + <1993Apr22.092830.2190@infodev.cam.ac.uk> +NNTP-Posting-Host: po5.andrew.cmu.edu +In-Reply-To: <1993Apr22.092830.2190@infodev.cam.ac.uk> + +dcr@mail.ast.cam.ac.uk (Derek C. Richardson) writes: +> Shared memory PutImage (also mentioned by nkissebe@delphi.beckman.uiuc.edu, +> Nick Kisseberth) looks interesting, but I need someone to point me to some +> documentation. Is this method likely to give better results than server- +> resident pixmaps? I'd also be interested in looking at the XView code +> mentioned above... + + There's documentation on how to use the shared memory extension in the +X11R5 distribution. + + Actually, I just finished writing a motif animation program... +(take-lots-of-image-data-and-display-it-pretty-darn-fast). When using +on-server pixmaps or shared memory, I had to insert a delay loop to keep +it from going too quickly :). Testing both methods side by side, they +were just about equal. + + The advantage of SHM is that your X server doesn't grow to ridiculous +sizes; but pixmaps can work over a network and *are* removed if your +application dies (one tends to use ipcrm manually quite a bit when +debugging SHM apps). + + Shared memory also has the problem that some operating systems (e.g. +Ultrix) seem to allow only a small number of segments (~6) to be +attached to a process at once; consequently, a redraw becomes +XShmAttach();XShmPutImage();XShmDetach(); on Dec systems. And Dec's 24 +bit displays (like the ones I tend to use most often) don't seem to +support the extension (maybe someone compiled them wrong?), and using +pixmaps causes the X server to crash (failed mallocs), so one *has* to +use the local unix domain socket (which really isn't that bad; one +copies the info three times per redraw instead of one). + + In short: allowing all three forms of display, within the program is a +Good Thing (minus SHM if running over a network), and let the user pick +whatever feels fastest. + + (I just use an ximagehandler class and forget about it :) + + )Rob +";12;True +"From: bh@anarres.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Brian Harvey) +Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)... +Organization: University of California, Berkeley +Lines: 15 +NNTP-Posting-Host: anarres.cs.berkeley.edu +Keywords: brick, rock, danger, gun, violent, teenagers + +rfelix@netcom.com (Robbie Felix) writes: +>How about the thousands of kind teenagers who volunteer at local +>agencies to help children, seniors, the homeless? + +Hear, hear! Thanks, Robbie. + +You also don't read that much about violence *against* teenagers, such as +George Bush burying alive tens of thousands of unarmed Iraqi 17-year-olds, +who were trying to surrender, with bulldozers. + + +On the other hand, I think it *is* true, without singling out teenagers +for blame, that violence is more socially acceptable than it used to be. +Those of us who'd like to discourage violence have plenty of work to do +with people of all ages. +";10;True +"From: caf@omen.UUCP (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) +Subject: Re: My New Diet --> IT WORKS GREAT !!!! +Organization: Omen Technology INC, Portland Rain Forest +Lines: 34 + +In article <1993Apr5.191712.7543@inmet.camb.inmet.com> mazur@bluefin.camb.inmet.com (Beth Mazur) writes: +>In <1993Apr03.1.6627@omen.UUCP> caf@omen.UUCP (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) writes: +>>Gordon, your experience is valid for many, but not all. The +>>fact that you know a few people who have been overweight and are +>>now stable at a lower (normal or just less?) weight does not +>>contradict the observation that only 5-10 per cent can maintain +>>ideal weight with current technology. +> +>Actually, the observation is that only 5-10% of those who seek help +>from your so-called ""diet evangelists"" can maintain their weight. I +>happen to agree with Keith Lynch that there are many people who can +>and do lose weight on their own, and who are not reflected in the +>dismal failure rate that is often quoted. +> +>Wasn't there a study where a researcher asked a more general population, +>perhaps some part of a university community, about weight loss and he/she +>found that a much higher percentage had lost and maintained? + +In fact Adiposity 101 mentions a similar study (search for ""life +events"" in any recent version of Adiposity 101). + +The problem with anecdotal reports about individuals who have +lost weight and kept it off is that we don't know what caused +the weight gain in the first place. This is critical because +someone who gains weight because of something temporary (drug +effect, life event, etc.) may appear successful at dieting when +the weight loss was really the result of reversing the temporary +condition that caused the weight gain. + +-- +Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX ...!tektronix!reed!omen!caf +Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, and DSZ + Omen Technology Inc ""The High Reliability Software"" +17505-V NW Sauvie IS RD Portland OR 97231 503-621-3406 +";4;True +"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) +Subject: Cold-blooded slaughter of Muslim women and children by Armenians. +Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) +Distribution: world +Lines: 91 + +In article <1993Apr17.011112.27439@news.columbia.edu> lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner) writes: + +>Hmm. Maybe I'll go rent Midnight Express tonight. I haven't seen that +>scene in awhile; I have to savor the moment all over again. + +Well, does it change the fact that during the period of 1914 to 1920, +the fascist x-Soviet Armenian Government ordered, incited, assisted +and participated in the genocide of 2.5 million Muslim people because +of race, religion and national origin? + +As in the past in Turkiye, and today in Azerbaijan, for utopic and +idiotic causes the Armenians brought havoc to their neighbors. A +short-sighted and misplaced nationalistic fervor with a wrong agenda +and anachronistic methods the Armenians continue to become pernicious +for the region. As usual, they will be treated accordingly by their +neighbors. Nagorno-Karabag is a mountainous enclave that lies completely +within Azerbaijan with no border or history whatsoever connected to +x-Soviet Armenia. Besides the geographical aspect, Nagorno-Karabag is +the historic homeland and the 'cradle' of the artistic and literary +heritage of Azerbaijan, which renders the Armenian claims preposterous, +even lunatic. + +And we still demand: + +1. that the x-Soviet Armenian Government, as the heirs of the Armenian +dictatorship, recognize the Turkish Genocide; + +2. that x-Soviet Armenia return the historic homeland to the Turkish and +Kurdish people; + +3. that the x-Soviet Armenian Government make material reparations for their +heinous and unspeakable crime to the victims of the Turkish Genocide; + +4. that all world governments officially recognize the Turkish Genocide +and Turkish territorial rights and refuse to succumb to all Armenian +political pressure. + +The awareness of the Turkish people of the necessity of solidarity in the +efforts to pursue the Turkish Cause is seen by the victims of the first +genocide of the 20th century as a positive step. + +Now what would you do? + +Source: 'The Sunday Times,' 1 March 1992 (a British Weekly, written by + Thomas Goltz, from Agdam, Azerbaijan.) + + ARMENIAN SOLDIERS MASSACRE HUNDREDS OF FLEEING FAMILIES. + + The spiralling violence gripping the outer republics of the former +Soviet Union gained new impetus yesterday with cold-blooded slaughter of +hundreds of women and children in war-racked Nagorno-Karabakh. + Survivors reported that Armenian soldiers shot and bayoneted more +than 450 Azeris, many of them women and children, who were fleeing an +attack on their town. Hundreds, possibly thousands, were missing and +feared dead. + The attackers killed most of the soldiers and volunteers defending +the women and children. They then turned their guns on the terrified +refugees. The few survivors later described what happened:"" That's when +the real slaughter began,"" said Azer Hajiev, one of three soldiers to +survive. ""The Armenians just shot and shot. And then they came in and +started carving up people with their bayonets and knives."" + "" They were shooting, shooting, shooting"", echoed Rasia Aslanova, who +arrived in Agdam with other women and children who made their way through +Armenian lines. She said her husband, Kayun, and a son-in-law were killed +in front of her. Her daughter was still missing. + One boy who arrived in Agdam had an ear sliced off. + + The survivors said 2000 others, some of whom had fled separately, +were still missing in the gruelling terrain; many could perish from their +wounds or the cold. + By late yesterday, 479 deaths had been registered at the morgue in +Agdam's morgue, and 29 bodies had been buried in the cemetery. Of the +seven corpses I saw awaiting burial, two were children and three were +women, one shot through the chest at point blank range. + Agdam hospital was a scene of carnage and terror. Doctors said they +had 140 patients who escaped slaughter, most with bullet injuries or deep +stab wounds. + Nor were they safe in Agdam. On friday night rockets fell on the city +which has a population of 150,000, destroying several buildings and +killing one person. + +Serdar Argic + + 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that + might serve as ways of escape for the Turks + and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' + (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) + 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists + a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) + + +";15;True +"From: nstramer@supergas.dazixco.ingr.com (Naftaly Stramer) +Subject: Re: How many israeli soldiers does it take to kill a 5 yr old child? +Nntp-Posting-Host: supergas +Reply-To: nstramer@dazixco.ingr.com +Organization: Intergraph Electronics +Lines: 40 + + +In article <1993Apr13.164305.701@bernina.ethz.ch>, nadeem@p.igp.ethz.ch (Nadeem Malik) writes: + +> +>Actually, if can remember correctly, was it not reported and even on camera +>some time during the Israeli invasion of Lebanon, or when the itifada began, +>that CNN caught regular uniformed Israeli soldiers breaking the arms of +>some Arab youngsters in a very professional and brutal manner, (someone +>please give full details if they can remember). + +So was it on CNN or not? + +>This is one of the few +>occassions on which such a scene has been transmitted to the West and +>in the USA ... it caused uproar and was one of the factors that has significantly +>changed the preception of the Israeli army's role in the mid-east. +> +>So there is proof for you! + + +What proof. You said above: ""was it not reported..."" and ""someone please give +full details if they can remember"". Hear say is not proof. + + +>It is obvious that is a systematic policy of the +>Israelis which must be occurring on a massive scale behind the scenes. + +Yes, like the 700 or more Palestinians brutally murdered by their brothers. + + +> +>Nadeem +> + + +----- +Naftaly Stramer | Intergraph Electronics +Internet: nstramer@dazixco.ingr.com | 6101 Lookout Road, Suite A +Voice: (303)581-2370 FAX: (303)581-9972 | Boulder, CO 80301 +""Quality is everybody's job, and it's everybody's job to watch all that they can."" +";15;True +"From: kbos@carina.unm.edu (K. Mitchell Bose) +Subject: Re: ESPN and Expansion +Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque +Lines: 38 +NNTP-Posting-Host: carina.unm.edu + +In article itlm013@dale.ucdavis.edu (Donnie Trump) writes: +>I was watching Peter Gammons on ESPN last night, and he's got me a little +>confused. +> +>While talking about expansion, he started mentioning people who might benefit +>from the fringe players they'll be facing: McGriff hitting 50 home runs, +>Sheffield getting 150 rbi's, and Glavine winning 25 games. This was, +>of course, all in reference to what happened the *other* times that baseball +>has expanded (early 60's, late 60's, late 70's). +> +>What really confused me, though, was the mention of *AL* players who would +>do well next year. Specifically, Roger Clemens winning 25 games, and the +>likes of McGwire and Gonzalez hitting 50 home runs. +> +>My question is: How in the hell will the Rockies/Marlins help the AL? The +>last time I looked, there wasn't a lot of talent jumping leagues. Did I +>miss something? +> +Only if you persist in believing that Peter Gammons is more knowledgable about +baseball than the average mailbox. Okay, I'm overstating. Still, the man +actually had the gall to say that one out of every six pitchers in the NL this +year did not pitch in the majors last year. + +Huh? + +IMO, this expansion will not see the explosive jump in offense that the +other expansion drafts had, since the talent was diluted over both leagues. +In Gammons' defense, because the talent drain came from the AL as well, some +increase will be seen. He also gets credit for mentioning that the 1969 jump +in offense was due also to the rules changes after the 1968 season. He's still +full of it... + + +-- + Kurt Bose (as in Daisy, not Rose) * kbos@carina.unm.edu +""If you take out all the f--ks, this is an 18 page book."" + -Wally Backman, leafing though a copy of Mets teammate Lenny Dykstra's + autobiography, _NAILS_ +";14;True +"Organization: City University of New York +From: +Subject: RE: Hot new 3D software +Lines: 16 + +I don't think speed has been determined, since it has never run on Intel chips. +But on the Amiga's Motorola Chips, it was one of the fastest true 'Ray Tracers' + +I don't think Impulse would port it over and not take speed into consideration. + +In terms of features, and learning curve... ALL that you stated for 3DS is also +true for Imagine, and lots more... But I'll have to admit that after 3 years of +use on the Amiga, the learning curve is very steep. This is due ONLY to the +manual. It is realy BAD. However, there is a lot of after market support for +this product, including regular 'Tips' articles in many magazines such as ""AVID +and a great book by Steve Worley called ""Understanding Imagine 2.0"" This book i +is not just recommened, IT IS A MUST! + +I think an important consideration should be price...... +$3000 for 3DS (Not including ""tool"" packages) +Under $500 for Imagine complete. +";1;True +"From: rainer@spot.Colorado.EDU (Rainer Malzbender) +Subject: Re: HC11 blues -> no can find +Nntp-Posting-Host: spot.colorado.edu +Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder +Lines: 10 + +In article pat@fegmania (Patrick Niemeyer) writes: +>I too had trouble finding hc11's when I looked for them a while back. +>I'd be interesting in hearing if anyone knows about their availability now... + +The newest JDR Microdevices catalog has at least one variant of the HC11. + +-- +Rainer M. Malzbender +Fyzzicks, CU Boulder +(303)492-1366 +";11;True +"From: huot@cray.com (Tom Huot) +Subject: Re: Ulf and all... +Lines: 29 +Nntp-Posting-Host: pittpa.cray.com +Organization: Cray Research Inc. +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] + +Richard Wernick (richard@amc.com) wrote: +: You should be ashamed to call yourself an Ulf Samuelson fan. Anybody who plays +: the way he does, does not belong in the NHL. There have been cheap shot artists +: through the history of the game, but a lot of them have been talanted players. +: Bobby Clarke, Kenny Linsemen, Pie McKenzie, Chris Chelios etc.. but nobody has been +: out right as dirty a cheapshot coward as Ulf. Violence in hockey has got to be curbed +: and players like (Should have been a Women) Samuelson don't belong. When players +: like Ulf, who's main purpose is to injure the better players in the league is allowed +: to continue, and the league won't stop it, the players should. A Christian Pro 1000 +: aluminum stick directed at his ugly head should do the trick nicely. If the Bruins get +: a chance to meet Pittsburgh in the near future, you can bet Neely will have his day. +: The sight of watching Ulf turtle up like the coward he is, is worth almost as much as a +: Stanely Cup. This wimp of a player almost ruined the career of one the best right wingers +: in the game. If you are to remove Ulf Samuelson from the lineup, the Penguins would not +: even notice he's gone. He's an eyesore on the game of hockey. + + +: Rich + + +Thank you for your extremely lucid and well thought out observation. +Now when you get back on your medication, please let us know how you +are feeling. +Thank you, +-- +_____________________________________________________________________________ +Tom Huot +huot@cray.com +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ +";13;True +"From: collins@well.sf.ca.us (Steve Collins) +Subject: Re: Orbital RepairStation +Nntp-Posting-Host: well.sf.ca.us +Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link +Lines: 29 + + +The difficulties of a high Isp OTV include: +Long transfer times (radiation damage from VanAllen belts for both + the spacecraft and OTV +Arcjets or Xenon thrusters require huge amounts of power so you have +to have either nuclear power source (messy, dangerous and source of +radiation damage) or BIG solar arrays (sensitive to radiation, or heavy) +that make attitude control and docking a big pain. + +If you go solar, you have to replace the arrays every trip, with +current technology. Nuclear power sources are strongly restricted +by international treaty. + +Refueling (even for very high Isp like xenon) is still required and] +turn out to be a pain. + +You either have to develop autonomous rendezvous or long range teleoperation +to do docking or ( and refueling) . + +You still can't do much plane change because the deltaV required is so high! + +The Air Force continues to look at doing things this way though. I suppose +they are biding their time till the technology becomes available and +the problems get solved. Not impossible in principle, but hard to +do and marginally cheaper than one shot rockets, at least today. + +Just a few random thoughts on high Isp OTV's. I designed one once... + + Steve Collins +";2;True +"From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) +Subject: Re: CAN'T BREATHE +Article-I.D.: pitt.19438 +Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) +Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science +Lines: 33 + +In article <1p8t1p$mvv@agate.berkeley.edu> romdas@uclink.berkeley.edu (Ella I Baff) writes: + +> +>Re: the prostate treatment is worse than the disease...In medicine there +>really is something histologically identified as prostate tissue and +>there are observable changes which take place, that whenever they occur, +>can be identified as prostate cancer. What if I told you that most chiropractorstreat Subluxation (Spinal Demons), which don't exist at all. Therefore any +>tissue damage incurred in a chiropractic treatment performed +>in an effort to exorcise this elusive Silent Killer, such as ligamentous +>damage and laxity, microfracture of the joint surfaces, rib fractures, +>strokes, paralysis,etc., is by definition worse than non-treatment. +> +>John Badanes, DC, CA +>email: romdas@uclink.berkeley.edu + +What does ""DC"" stand for? Couldn't be an antichiropractic posting +from a chiropractor, could it? My curiosity is piqued. + +Prostate CA is an especially troublesome entity for chiropractors. +It so typically causes bone pain due to spinal metastases that it +gets manipulated frequently. Manipulating a cancer riddled bone +is highly dangerous, since it can then fracture. I've seen at +least three cases where this happened with resulting neurologic +damage, including paraplegia. This is one instance where knowing +how to read x-rays can really help a chiropractor stay out of trouble. +DO chiropractors know what bony mets from prostate look like? + + +-- +---------------------------------------------------------------------------- +Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and +geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" +---------------------------------------------------------------------------- +";4;True +"From: 93jll@williams.edu (Teflon X) +Subject: Re: Militello update +Organization: Williams College, Williamstown, MA +Lines: 26 +Distribution: usa +NNTP-Posting-Host: hancock.cc.williams.edu + +In article <93602@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt0523e@prism.gatech.EDU (Michael Andre Mule) writes: +>HEY!!! All you Yankee fans who've been knocking my prediction of Baltimore. +>You flooded my mailbox with cries of ""Militello's good, Militello's good."" +> +>Where is he??!! I noticed he got skipped over after that oh so strong first +>outing. + +About as good as Mussina's. better than Sutcliffe's and McDonald's + +> He's not by any chance in Columbus now, is he? +He's in the bullpen. Steinbrenner is in charge after all. + +> Please don't tell +>me you're relying on this guy to be the *fourth*, not the fifth, but the +>*fourth* starter on this brittle pitching staff. + +He's got the talent to be the 4th starter now, and evetually the ace. +He was a higher ranked (and generally better) prospect than Arthur +Rhodes who happens to be, well hey, the Oriole's 4th starter. + +> +>As for the O's, it's still early. + +As for Militello, it's still early. + +Toby Elliott +";14;True +"From: rolfe@dsuvax.dsu.edu (Tim Rolfe) +Subject: Re: quality of Catholic liturgy +Lines: 56 + +In +jemurray@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John E Murray) writes: + +>I would like the opinion of netters on a subject that has been bothering my +>wife and me lately: liturgy, in particular, Catholic liturgy. In the last few +>years it seems that there are more and more ad hoc events during Mass. It's +>driving me crazy! The most grace-filled aspect of a liturgical tradition is +>that what happens is something we _all_ do together, because we all know how +>to do it. Led by the priest, of course, which makes it a kind of dialogue we +>present to God. But the best Masses I've been to were participatory prayers. + +[ . . . ] + +Having lived through the kicking and screaming in the 60s and 70s as the +Catholics were invited to participate in the liturgy instead of counting +their rosary beads during Mass, I find this comment interesting. There +is a _massively_ longer tradition for proclaiming the Passion accounts +without active participation. If you know the Latin, one really +beautiful way to hear the Passion is it's being chanted by three +deacons: the Narrator chants in the middle baritone range, Jesus chants +in the bass, and others directly quoted are handled by a high tenor. +This is actually the basis for the common proclamation of the Passion +that John would prefer. + +But there is always a judgement call based on pastoral considerations. +Each pastor makes his own decisions (it isn't a church-wide conspiracy +against participation). The Palm Sunday liturgy, with its initial +blessing and distribution of the palms and procession, is already +getting long before you get to the Passion; some pastors feel that they +should not make the people stand through that long narrative. Also, the +orchestrated proclamation with multiple readers and public participation +in the crowd quotations runs longer than the single-reader proclamation +--- in churches with multiple Masses for the Sunday, it might be +necessary to go with the briefer options just to ""get 'em in and get 'em +out"". + +Each parish is different. Catholics are no longer canonically tied to +their geographic parishes. It is possible that another Catholic parish +in the Columbus area (based on the Ohio State address) has a liturgy +closer to your preferences. Or talk to some of your fellow +parishioners and see how common your preferences are --- pastors +generally ARE willing to listen to non-confrontational requests. Though +you probably should bring along a paramedic in case he reacts too strongly +to the shock of people asked for a _longer_ Sunday Mass. + +Perhaps the problem is that recent liturgical development hasn't follow +the continuous evolution model (the accumulation of small changes, no +single one of which is too hard to take) but rather the punctuated +equilibrium model (things stay the same and we get accustomed to them, +then the marked mutation hits). {My apologies if I am mis-remembering +the names of the evolutionary theories.} +-- + --- Tim Rolfe + rolfe@dsuvax.dsu.edu + rolfe@junior.dsu.edu + RolfeT@columbia.dsu.edu +";17;True +"From: kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Keith Keller) +Subject: Re: Sad day for hockey +Article-I.D.: netnews.118520 +Organization: University of Pennsylvania, School of Arts and Sciences +Lines: 39 +Nntp-Posting-Host: mail.sas.upenn.edu + +In article <1pq50fINN15b@abyss.West.Sun.COM> dvb@ick (David Van Beveren) writes: +>NO NO NO! since all the penalties fall into three classes, there should +>only be three penalties: +> +>1. Foul (Any illegal contact with the other player or his stick with your +> body or stick). If you get 5 you are out for the game. +> +>2. Unsportsmanlike contact. (An intentional foul). This inlcludes all the +> current flavours of roughing, fighting and boarding. If you get two you +> are thrown out of the game, and fined. +> +>3. Technical foul. Bad mouthing the ref, by player or coach. Penalty shot +> is awarded. Two and you are thrown out of the game. +> +>Besides the penalty shot for one technical, if the team gets 5 penalties +>in a period, the opposing team gets a penalty shot for every additional one, +>until the end of the period. The victim gets two shots if he/she was in +>the act of shooting when the foul ocured. + +These new rule changes are great! However, I think that your rules are +MUCH too complicated. How will the normal average fan be able to count +how many fouls a player has? And then we would even have to remember the +names of the players, in order to determine who drew the foul! And, of +course, there will have to be new ""sub-positions"", like the power center +who just sits in the slot until the (blue, of course) puck comes near him, +and the ""shooting defenseman"" and the ""point defenseman"". Finally, we'll +be able to keep stats on the best and the worst penalty-shot takers. +Since almost everyone on the ice will be getting fouled, we'll be able to +see Ulf Samuellson (sp?) and Tie Domi miss penalty shots like crazy. + +;-) ;-) ;-) + +-- + Keith Keller LET'S GO RANGERS!!!!! + LET'S GO QUAKERS!!!!! + kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu IVY LEAGUE CHAMPS!!!! + +""Next time you go over my head, I'll have yours on a platter."" + -- Cmdr. Benjamin Sisko, 1993 +";13;True +"From: dietz@cs.rochester.edu (Paul Dietz) +Subject: Re: Commercial mining activities on the moon +Organization: University of Rochester +Lines: 31 + +In article steinly@topaz.ucsc.edu (Steinn Sigurdsson) writes: + +> Why Paul, it's obvious. +> Once chlorine chemistry has been banned on Earth, +> as is being advocated by some groups, Ti prices will +> sharply increase (we are of course not allowed to +> assume any developments in Ti processing). +> Lunar Ti will then be eminently competitive for +> the trendy jewelry market and certain applications +> of National Importance +> +> :-) :-) :-) + +Well, there already is a sulfate process for TiO2 purification. The +chlorine process is cleaner, however, and for that reason is achieving +dominance in the marketplace. + +Most Ti is used in pigment, btw (as the oxide), where it replaced +white lead pigment some decades ago. Very little is reduced to the +metal. + +> Seriously, I'd say there is a flaw in Gary's analysis +> in that he assumes an export oriented economy, maybe +> the lunatics will just want some native Ti for local +> use... + +Which merely evades the issue of why those lunatics are +there at all (and, why their children would want to stay.) + + Paul F. Dietz + dietz@cs.rochester.edu +";2;True +"From: fist@iscp.bellcore.com (Richard Pierson) +Subject: Moving On +Nntp-Posting-Host: foxtrot.iscp.bellcore.com +Organization: Bellcore +Distribution: usa +Lines: 25 + +Well, it's been fun. This is my last day at Bellcore and +It will be a while before I have net access again (taking +time off and scheduling Military Schools for the summer +on joint operations, and anything else that looks good). +I have had a blast reading, responding and commenting on +things posted here. My final say is 9mm's are inferior +to .45's errr oh wrong news group. Hopefully I'll be back. +I guess ""internet withdrawl"" starts around 1pm or so and +considering I never knew inet existed 2 years ago I am +really going to miss it. + +OH yea, to the guy who called me this morning about the +""Military issue"" boots, good luck, I think you will be +happy with the tankers boots. +-- +########################################################## +There are only two types of ships in the NAVY; SUBMARINES + and TARGETS !!! +#1/XS1100LH DoD #956 #2 Next raise +Richard Pierson E06584 vnet: [908] 699-6063 +Internet: fist@iscp.bellcore.com,|| UUNET:uunet!bcr!fist +#include My opinions are my own!!! +I Don't shop in malls, I BUY my jeans, jackets and ammo +in the same store. + +";7;True +"From: wtm@uhura.neoucom.edu (Bill Mayhew) +Subject: Re: What do Nuclear Site's Cooling Towers do? +Keywords: Nuclear +Organization: Northeastern Ohio Universities College of Medicine +Lines: 25 + +Just to complete that thought, the cooling towers cool water that +circulates through heat exchangers that recondense the turbine +exhaust back into feedwater for the heat exchangers that transfer +energy from the reactor's cooling circuit. + + + |---------------| |------turbine, etc---| |---------| + | > > > > . +reactor < < < > . + | > > > > C. T. + |---------------| |--------------------| |---------- + +The reactor has a closed loop circuit to prevent radioactive +contamination of the the turbine feedwater. + +The cooling tower is a separate circuit to avoide contamination of +the turbine feedwater with atmospheric contamininats, etc. +Purifying boiler feedwater is important business at both fossil +fired and nuclear generation facilities. + + +-- +Bill Mayhew NEOUCOM Computer Services Department +Rootstown, OH 44272-9995 USA phone: 216-325-2511 +wtm@uhura.neoucom.edu (140.220.1.1) 146.580: N8WED +";11;True +"From: mjones@watson.ibm.com (Mike Jones) +Subject: Re: So Far , So Good (THE RED SOX) +Reply-To: mjones@donald.aix.kingston.ibm.com +Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM. +Nntp-Posting-Host: fenway.aix.kingston.ibm.com +Organization: IBM AIX/ESA Development, Kingston NY +Lines: 68 + +ec003b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Wizard) writes: +>I have posted two new postings on the net, since I discovered how to use it, +>and both times I received redicule for predicting the Red Sox as high as +>Third in the AL East. Id like to hear why it is people dont think the Sox +>can be as high as Third this year. Here are some of my observations: + +Well, had you been a bit less exuberant in both the tone and substance of +your predictions, the responses would probably have been a bit more +measured. Be that as it may.... + +>1. Roger and Frank are in vintage form, and the Sox are rresponding to them. +Clemens is always in this form, and Viola isn't really performing beyond +what might reasonably have been expected. How do you know that the Sox are +responding to them, and not to Al Bumbry, Hobson, or (my most likely +suspect) new hitting coach Mike Easler? I certainly am more likely to give +Easler credit for Mo Vaughhn's hot start than Clemens or Viola. + +>2. Greenwell is hitting as he did before his injuries. +This was the optimistic scenario, but not unreasonably so. He hasn't shown +much power yet, though. + +>3. Dawson is providing the leadership and some hitting they need from him. +How can you tell that Dawson is providing the leadership? Perhaps it's +Calderon? Perhaps it's Clemens and Viola? Maybe Hobson is finally showing +those people skills he was supposed to have when they hired him. Or maybe +it's all a myth. And Dawson has been hitting reasonably well, but not as +well as Greenwell, Vaughn, Cooper, or Fletcher. + +>4. Russell is finishing well. +In three games. Why don't we look at this one again in, say, July? + +>5. Fletcher is hitting well as a leadoff hitter. +A bit better than could reasonably have been expected. But don't forget that +Zupcic looked like Wade Boggs lite for about 75 AB's last year. Beware of +small sample sizes. Still, if Fletcher hits as well as he did last year he'd +be a great improvement over any Sox leadoff hitter from last year. Be aware +that his career numbers seem to indicate that he puts up good numbers as +long as he doesn't have to make more than 300 AB or so in a year. + +>6. Cooper is hitting well (I think he'll be better then Boggs in the field +>and just as good at the plate) +Ummm...sorry, no. I can buy the ""in the field"" part, and I think he'll be +better at the plate than the 1992 Boggs, but in general Cooper, while he'll +be a pretty good hitter, couldn't carry Boggs' jockstrap. With a little +luck, he could be the fourth or fifth best 3B in the AL (Martinez, Boggs, +Ventura, and Palmer will all be better). + +>If the sox Pitch like last year (they have a better pitchiong staff, now) +>and hit like they are so far, they coiuld run away with thee division. but +>since I think that their hitting and pitching may not be up to the challenge +>of running away with the division, I think that they win be over .500 and at +>least Third if not Second or First. + +See, here is where you make that quick left turn off into the aether. .500 +is plausible, third is not unlikely, but phrases like ""could run away with +the division"" are likely to get you a visit from the men in the white +coats. It's not really clear that their staff is better than last year. If +Russell does well, Darwin doesn't go on the DL, and Hesketh doesn't pitch +just barely well enough to avoid losing his spot in the rotation, they could +be better. On the other hand, if Hesketh pitches miserably and they're too +stupid to move him to the pen and bring up Conroy or somebody, Fossas +continues to pitch dismally but they keep giving him innings becasue he's a +lefty, and Russell explodes they could be pretty bad. + + Mike Jones | AIX High-End Development | mjones@donald.aix.kingston.ibm.com + +God is a comedian playing to an audience that is afraid to laugh. + - Mark Twain +";14;True +"From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) +Subject: Re: FLAME and a Jewish home in Palestine +Organization: The Department of Redundancy Department +Lines: 41 + +In article maler@vercors.imag.fr (Oded Maler) writes: +>In article , jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) writes: + +>|> Typical Arabic thinking. If we are guilty of something, so is +>|> everyone else. Unfortunately for you, Nabil, Jewish tribes are not +>|> nearly as susceptible to the fratricidal murdering that is still so +>|> common among Arabs in the Middle East. There were no "" killings +>|> between the Jewish tribes on the way."" + +>I don't like this comment about ""Typical"" thinking. You could state +>your interpretation of Exodus without it. As I read Exodus I can see +>a lot of killing there, which is painted by the author of the bible +>in ideological/religious colors. The history in the desert can be seen +>as an ethos of any nomadic people occupying a land. That's why I think +>it is a great book with which descendants Arabs, Turks and Mongols can +>unify as well. + +You somehow missed Nabil's comments, even though you included it in +your followup: + + >The number which could have arrived to the Holy Lands must have been + >substantially less ude to the harsh desert and the killings between the + >Jewish tribes on the way.. + +I am not aware of ""killings between Jewish tribes"" in the desert. + +The point of ""typical thinking"" here is that while Arabs STILL TODAY +act in the manner you describe, like ""any nomadic people occupying a +land"", killing and plundering each other with regularity, others have +somehow progressed over time. It is not surprising then that Arabs +often accuse others (infidels) of things that they are quite familiar +with: civil rights violations, religious discrimination, ethnic +cleansing, land theft, torture and murder. It is precisely this +mechanism at work that leads people to say that Jewish tribes were +killing each other in the desert, even without support for such a +ludicrous suggestion. + +-- +Jake Livni jake@bony1.bony.com Ten years from now, George Bush will +American-Occupied New York have replaced Jimmy Carter as the +My opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President. +";15;True +"From: wsun@jeeves.ucsd.edu (Fiberman) +Subject: erythromycin +Organization: University of California, San Diego +Lines: 4 +Nntp-Posting-Host: jeeves.ucsd.edu + +Is erythromycin effective in treating pneumonia? + +-fm + +";4;True +"From: umfu0009@ccu.umanitoba.ca (J. M. K. Fu) +Subject: Re: Tie Breaker....(Isles and Devils) +Nntp-Posting-Host: data.cc.umanitoba.ca +Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada +Lines: 21 + +In wangr@vccsouth22.its.rpi.edu ( Rex Wang ) writes: + +> Are people here stupid or what??? It is a tie breaker, of cause they +>have to have the same record. How can people be sooooo stuppid to put win as +>first in the list for tie breaker??? If it is a tie breaker, how can there be +>different record???? Man, I thought people in this net are good with hockey. +>I might not be great in Math, but tell me how can two teams ahve the same points +>with different record??? Man...retard!!!!!! Can't believe people actually put +>win as first in a tie breaker...... + +Why not? I believe both the Devils and Islanders got 87 points. +Say for example, another team had this record : 20-37-47; +they had 20*2+47*1+37*0=87 which is the same as their points total. +(The Islanders' and Devils' records are both 40-37-7. + +It is simple arithmetics and involve no Calculus. + + +John. +(a computer science graduate who pretends to be a mathematican) + +";13;True +"From: shaig@Think.COM (Shai Guday) +Subject: Re: Israel's Expansion +Organization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA +Lines: 39 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: composer.think.com + +In article <18APR93.15729846.0076@VM1.MCGILL.CA>, B8HA000 writes: +|> Just a couple of questions for the pro-Israeli lobby out there: +|> +|> 1) Is Israel's occupation of Southern Lebanon temporary? For Mr. +|> Stein: I am working on a proof for you that Israel is diverting +|> water to the Jordan River (away from Lebanese territory). + +Yes it is, as has been evidenced by the previous two stages +of withdrawal from the area and by the reductions in troops. +Currently the troops are kept at a level consistent with light +and armored patrols. No permanent installations have been +built in the area, nor are any planned. + +As to the prodigal ""water question"", you can continue to waste +your time looking for non-existent proof, or you can accept the +testimony of people here, some Lebanese, who have acknowledged +that they know of no evidence for these allegations. + +|> 2) Is Israel's occupation of the West Bank, Gaza, and Golan +|> temporary? If so (for those of you who support it), why were so +|> many settlers moved into the territories? If it is not temporary, +|> let's hear it. + +It depends which of those territories you refer to. +In general, settlers were moved into the territories because +at the time, in the context of the situations, it seemed the +logical move. This is not to say that views don't change +or that mistakes are not made. Currently, I would say that +the only ""disputed territory"" that does not appear to be temporary +is that of Eastern and northern Jerusalem. + +|> Steve +|> + +-- +Shai Guday | Stealth bombers, +OS Software Engineer | +Thinking Machines Corp. | the winged ninjas of the skies. +Cambridge, MA | +";15;True +"From: chuck@cygnus.eid.anl.gov (Charles Cilek) +Subject: How is slugging percentage computed? +Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway +Lines: 3 +NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu + +Subject line says it all. Thanks in advance. Please email +chuck@cygnus.eid.anl.gov +Go Cubs! +";14;True +"From: cheong@solomon.technet.sg (SCSTECH admin) +Subject: Getting Pseudo TTY in X/Motif +Nntp-Posting-Host: solomon.technet.sg +Organization: TECHNET, Singapore +Lines: 16 + +Hi, + +I am about to write an application in X/Motif that will require the +embedding of a pseudo tty. So, before I re-invent the wheel, has anyone +written/gotten a motif widget that does the job ? Otherwise, I would +appreciate any pointers to make such a beast. + +My environment is X11R4/Motif 1.1 and X11R5/Motif 1.2 (if this helps). + + +Thanks in advance. + + +Arthur Lim +Email : arthur@mailhost.scs.com.sg + +";12;True +"From: richk@grebyn.com (Richard Krehbiel) +Subject: Re: IDE vs SCSI +In-Reply-To: bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu's message of 18 Apr 1993 19:30:47 GMT +Lines: 14 +Organization: Grebyn Timesharing, Inc. + +In article <1qsa97INNm7b@dns1.NMSU.Edu> bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu (GRUBB) writes: + +> richk@grebyn.com (Richard Krehbiel) writes: +> [Stuff about the connection between IDE and IDA deleated] +> >8MHz clock, 16 bit width, 5MB/sec. +> If IDE speed come from IDA WHERE does the 8.3MB/s sighted for IDE +> come from? + +Well, some quick math on my part shows that an 8.3MHz bus, 16 bits +wide, performing a transfer every two clock cycles will provide 8.3M +bytes/sec. Someone said that it really takes 3 clock cycles to +perform a transfer, so that reduces the transfer rate to 5.5MB/s, +which is the commonly-used figure for ISA bus speed. However, I +believe a two-clock transfer is possible (0 wait states). +-- +Richard Krehbiel richk@grebyn.com +OS/2 2.0 will do for me until AmigaDOS for the 386 comes along... +";5;True +"From: bressler@iftccu.ca.boeing.com (Rick Bressler) +Subject: Re: Non-lethal alternatives to handguns? +Organization: Boeing Commercial Airplane Group +Lines: 25 + +/ iftccu:talk.politics.guns / steiner@jupiter.ca.boeing.com / 12:07 am Apr 15, 1993 / +>douglas craig holland (holland@CS.ColoState.EDU) writes: +>[...lostsa' crap deleted. trim your articles!...] +> +>> What about guns with non-lethal bullets, like rubber or plastic +>> bullets. Would those work very well in stopping an attack? +> +>last i heard, ""non-lethal"" was a bit of a misnomer for these things. + +Also, you need to consider our legal system. Since any of these things +CAN be lethal, you are going to have a hard time explaining why you applied +lethal force when you DIDN'T think it was necessary. (If you thought lethal +force was necessary, you wouldn't be using rubber bullets, would you?) Ouch. +If you are justified in shooting them at all, you are justified in using +the best self defense ammunition you can get your hands on. It might actually +IMPROVE the legal outcome. + +This is why hollow points hold up in court. They are safer for you, safer +for innocent by standers, (don't as a rule go through the perp) and actually +safer for the perp. If you are using military hard ball, you may have to +shoot him 'MANY' times, where one or two hollow points might stop him and +do the job. As a rule, the fewer wound channels, the better the chance +for his surviving the incident. + +Rick +";3;True +"From: luriem@alleg.edu The Liberalizer (Michael Lurie) +Subject: Re: YANKKES 1 GAME CLOSER +Article-I.D.: alleg.1993Apr6.210350.2865 +Organization: Allegheny College +Lines: 29 + +In article <002251w.5.734117130@axe.acadiau.ca> 002251w@axe.acadiau.ca +(JASON WALTER WORKS) writes: +> The N.Y.Yankees, are now one game closer to the A.L.East pennant. +They +> clobbered Cleveland, 9-1, on a fine pitching performance by Key, and two +> homeruns by Tartabull(first M.L.baseball to go out this season), and a +three +> run homer by Nokes. For all of you who didn't pick Boggs in your pools, +> tough break, he had a couple hits, and drove in a couple runs(with many +more +> to follow). The Yanks beat an up and coming team of youngsters in the +> Indians. The Yankees only need to win 95 more games to get the +division. +> GO YANKS., Mattingly for g.glove, and MVP, and Abbot for Cy Young. +> +> ---> jason. + +Jason, I am going to a yankee game wed night at cleveland stadium. I am so +happy. + + +But Cleveland is a very bad team who lost severalrs. They were an up and +coming team, now they are just a sad excuse for a better average. + + + +ABBOT WILL NOT WIN THE CY.!!!!!! MELIDO PEREZ WILL. as bold a prediction +as they come., Well herOT be in last place by the end of the season. Mike +lurie Speaks, and the world listens. +";14;True +"From: MANDTBACKA@FINABO.ABO.FI (Mats Andtbacka) +Subject: Re: An Anecdote about Islam +In-Reply-To: jaeger@buphy.bu.edu's message of 5 Apr 93 16:49:14 GMT +Organization: Unorganized Usenet Postings UnInc. +X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24 +Lines: 24 + +In <114127@bu.edu> jaeger@buphy.bu.edu writes: + +[deletia] + +> I don't understand the point of this petty sarcasm. It is a basic +> principle of Islam that if one is born muslim or one says ""I testify +> that there is no god but God and Mohammad is a prophet of God"" that, +> so long as one does not explicitly reject Islam by word then one _must_ +> be considered muslim by all muslims. So the phenomenon you're attempting +> to make into a general rule or psychology is a direct odds with basic +> Islamic principles. If you want to attack Islam you could do better than +> than to argue against something that Islam explicitly contradicts. + + In the deletions somewhere, it mentioned something about chopping +off of hands being a punishment for theft in Saudi Arabia. Assuming this +is so (I wouldn't know), and assuming it is done by people fitting your +requirement for ""muslim"" (which I find highly likely), then would you +please try to convince Bobby Mozumder that muslims chop people's hands +off? + + Come back when you've succeeded. + +-- + Disclaimer? ""It's great to be young and insane!"" +";9;True +"From: sandy@nmr1.pt.cyanamid.COM (Sandy Silverman) +Subject: Re: Barbecued foods and health risk +In-Reply-To: markmc@halcyon.com's message of 19 Apr 1993 01:07:22 -0700 +Nntp-Posting-Host: nmr1.pt.cyanamid.com +Organization: American Cyanamid Company + <1qtmjq$ahd@nwfocus.wa.com> +Lines: 11 + +From my reading of the popular, and scientific, literature, I think that the +benzopyrene-from-burned-fat problem is probably real but very small compared to +other kinds of risks. (This type of problem also occurs with stove-top pan +grilling.) One possible remedy I have read about is to take some vitamin C with your meal of barbecue (or bacon, e.g.). This MAY make sense because vit. C +is an antioxidant which could counteract the adverse affect of some of the +chemicals in question. Bon Apetit! + +-- +Sanford Silverman >Opinions expressed here are my own< +American Cyanamid +sandy@pt.cyanamid.com, silvermans@pt.cyanamid.com ""Yeast is Best"" +";4;True +"From: lwb@cs.utexas.edu (Lance W. Bledsoe) +Subject: Re: ATF suspects drug lab in compound +Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin +Lines: 24 +NNTP-Posting-Host: im4u.cs.utexas.edu + +>In article <1993Mar28.180629.21574@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> rcanders@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mr. Nice Guy) writes: +>>A Associated Press News story 3/28/93 reports: +>> +>>"" In other developments Saturday, David Troy, intelligence chief for +>>the ATF, confirmed reports that authorities suspected the cult had a +>>methamphetamine lab. He said evidence of possible drug activity +>>surfaced late in the ATF' investigation of the cult's gun dealings. + +Wow, the scope of the mission of the ATF continues to expand. Besides +Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms, they now seem to be involded in Child +Protective Services, Drug Enforcement and Tax Evasion. + +They look to be on the road to being the nations *boys in blue*! +No Knock in one hand, M-16 in the other. Zeik-Heil!!! + +Lance + + + +-- ++------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +| Lance W. Bledsoe lwb@im4u.cs.utexas.edu (512) 258-0112 | +| ""Ye shall know the TRUTH, and the TRUTH shall make you free."" | ++------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +";3;True +"From: Center for Policy Research +Subject: Re: Nazi Eugenic Theories Circulated by +Nf-ID: #R:1993Apr19.223054.10273@cirrus.co:779683862:cdp:1483500351:000:2238 +Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!cpr Apr 21 04:44:00 1993 +Lines: 42 + + +In my postings I have made a proposal for comments and discussion. +Those who don't want to discuss its merits and drawbacks are not forced to +do so. + +However I would make anybody who incites others to harm me or harass +in a personal manner, legally responsible for their deeds. I cannot +accept and will not accept threats to my personal integrity and I +urge anybody who opposes terror to refrain from direct or indriect +threats. + +PS: My proposal has nothing to do with Nazi eugenics. It has to do with +the search for peace which would enable justice. I don't consider that +justice is done, when non-Jews who fled or were expelled in 1948/1967 +are not permitted to return to their homeland. This can at best be called +pragmatism, a nice word for legitimizing the rule of the strong. It can +never be called justice. And peace without justice will never be peace. +It is my conviction that the situation in which a state, through the +law, attempts to discourage mixed marriages (as Israel does), is not +normal. Such a state resembles more Nazi Germany and South Africa than +Western democracies, such as the United States, in which Jews are free to +marry whom they wish and do so in the thousands. My proposal may have +drawbacks but it is meant to force anybody to anything, just to +compensate for a certain time mixed couples for the hardships tehy +endure in a society which disapproves of intermarriage.When the day +will come and Israel will become a truly civil and decmoractic society, +in which the state is not concerned with the religious or ethnic +affiliation of its constituency, such a Fund would not be needed any +more. I don't mind if Jews wish to marry Jews and keep their +traditions, why not ? But this is not the affairs of a state. Western +democracy clearly separates these domains and I am certain that +most +American Jews enjoy this fact and would not love to live in a state termed +Christian State and to have their Green cards stamped with a mark JEW. + +I would ask those who are genuinely interested in an exchange of views +and personal experiencces to refrain from emotional, infantile +outbursts which might leed readers to infer that Jews who respect +Judaism are uncivilized. Such behaviour is not good for Judaism. + +Elias + +";15;True +"From: urf@icl.se (Urban F) +Subject: Re: Orion drive in vacuum -- how? +Nntp-Posting-Host: sw2001 +Organization: None. On USENET I speak only for myself. +X-Alt.reply-Address: n.g.u.fredriksson@swe2001.wins.icl.co.uk +Lines: 14 + +Leigh Palmer writes: +> I feel sure +>that someone must have film of that experiment, and I'd really like to +>see it. Has anyone out there seen it? + +I've seen a film of it, my memory may be faulty, but as I +remember it the vehicle was slightly over a meter long, with a +thick baseplate 30-40 cm in diameter. I think the narrative said +it was propelled by dynamite sticks. There were four detonations +within about 2 s, the second coming after about 2 m of flight in. +Max altitude seemed to be on the order of 50 m, but that is hard +to judge. +-- + Urban Fredriksson urf@icl.se +";2;True +"Subject: Re: DOS 6.0 +From: venable@faculty.coe.wvu.edu (Wallace Venable) +Organization: WVU College of Engineering +Nntp-Posting-Host: 157.182.80.85 +Lines: 10 + + +>I know of two people who have horrer stories about the DOS 6.0. +>That's 100% of the people I know with DOS 6.0. Both have +>had to reformat their disks and start over. + + I used the standard installation program to put MS-DOS 6.0 on my +machine with Stacker 3.0 already installed. No problems. I kept Stacker, +rather than switch. + I am very pleased with the memory I gained since I did not have a +memory manager. I also like the multiple boot feature. +";5;True +"From: speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer) +Subject: Re: Boom! Dog attack! +Organization: Louisiana Tech University +Lines: 17 +NNTP-Posting-Host: bhm116e-spc.engr.latech.edu + +In article csundh30@ursa.calvin.edu (Charles Sundheim) writes: + + + +>Moral: I'm not really sure, but more and more I believe that bikers ought +> to be allowed to carry handguns. + +Come to Louisiana where it is LEGAL to carry concealed weapons on a bike! + + ----===== DoD #8177 = Technician(Dr. Speed) .NOT. Student =====---- + + Stolen Taglines... + * God is real, unless declared integer. * + * I came, I saw, I deleted all your files. * + * Black holes are where God is dividing by zero. * + * The world will end in 5 minutes. Please log out. * + * Earth is 98% full.... please delete anyone you can. * +";7;True +"From: strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) +Subject: Re: Would ""clipper"" make a good cover for other encryption method? +Organization: DSI/USCRPAC +Lines: 17 + +In article <1993Apr20.032623.3046@eff.org> kadie@eff.org (Carl M. Kadie) writes: + + +>So, don't just think of replacements for clipper, also think of front +>ends. + +This only makes sense if the government prohibits alternative non-escrowed +encryption schemes. Otherwise, why not just use the front end without +clipper? + +David + +-- +David Sternlight Great care has been taken to ensure the accuracy of + our information, errors and omissions excepted. + + +";16;True +"From: Anna Matyas +Subject: Re: Truly a sad day for hockey +Organization: H&SS Dean's Office, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA +Lines: 21 +NNTP-Posting-Host: andrew.cmu.edu +In-Reply-To: <1993Apr16.031823.11861@news.stolaf.edu> + + +Joel Alvstad writes: + +>A fine 26 year history came to a close tonight, as the Minnesota North Stars, +>or Norm's Stars (whichever you prefer) lost to the Red Wings by a score of +>5-3. The Stars goals were scored by Mike McPhee and Ulf Dahlen, who netted +>two including the final one in franchise history, with less than a minute to +>play. + +This is very sad indeed. My condolences to the Minnesota fans who are +losing their team. + +I fear that within the next decade or so the only professional sports team +left in Pittsburgh will be the Steelers. + +We should always enjoy things when we can. You never know when they'll +be taken away from us. + +Mom. + + +";13;True +"From: jdl6@po.CWRU.Edu (Justin D. Lowe) +Subject: Re: And America's Team is....But Why? +Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) +Lines: 35 +Reply-To: jdl6@po.CWRU.Edu (Justin D. Lowe) +NNTP-Posting-Host: slc8.ins.cwru.edu + + +In a previous article, steinman@me.utoronto.ca (David Steinman) says: + +>cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (OrioleFan@uiuc) writes: +> +>> The defenition of the Underdog is a team that has no talent and comes +>>out of nowhere to contend. The '69 Mets and '89 Orioles are prime examples, +>>not the Cubs. +> +>Sorry, but it is *virtually* impossible to win a division with ""no talent"" +>over 162 games. +> +>I would amend your definition to: +> +>underdog: a team expected to lose, but which wins thanks to underestimated +> talent. +>-- +>Dave! +> + +OK, the Mets and O's are good examples, but what about the '90 Reds? Do you +really think that anyone expected them to sweep the A's? I know people who +didn't even think they'd win a game, let alone win the Series. We proved +them wrong, though, didn't we? + +As for this year, ignore their record now. They've had a rocky start, and +that has nothing to do with Colorado. They shall rise again. The hunt for +a Reds' October continues. (with all due respect to WLW) Bye. + + +-- + MICHELSON- - - - -1993 SPRING OLYMPICS CHAMPIONS +Road Rally, 5-legged Race, Rope Pull, Snarf, Penny Wars, Banner, Spirit Cheer. + The Michelson Menace rides again! +(Don't you just love that intense nationalistic feeling in a residence hall?) +";14;True +"From: hambidge@bms.com +Subject: Re: I believe in gun control. +Reply-To: hambidge@bms.com +Organization: Bristol-Myers Squibb +Lines: 17 + +In article , nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writes: +> cj195@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John W. Redelfs) writes: +>>I believe in gun control. How about you? +> +> I believe in gun control, too . . . assuming by ""gun control"" +> you mean always being able to hit your target. +> +> +>---peter +> + Or, how about the Clint Eastwood line in ""Pink Cadillac"" - + ""I believe in gun control. If there's a gun around, I wanna be + the one controlling it."" + +Al +[standard disclaimer] + +";3;True +"From: casu@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ching Tzu Andrea Su) +Subject: Software Unlimited? +Article-I.D.: magnus.1993Apr6.195910.20328 +Organization: The Ohio State University +Lines: 12 +Nntp-Posting-Host: top.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu + + +Sorry to waste the bandwidth. Does anyone know a software mail order company +called ""Software Unlimited""? I ordered a software from them and they charged my +credit card but never did send the package to me. + +I call them many times but nobody answer the phone. I also check Computer +Shoppers and found they don't advertise anymore. If you know if they are still +in business or you know how to contact them, please tell me. + +Thank you very much. + +Ching-Tze Su +";8;True +"From: bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu (GRUBB) +Subject: Re: IDE vs SCSI +Organization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM +Lines: 9 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: dante.nmsu.edu + +In PC Magazine April 27, 1993:29 ""Although SCSI is twice as fasst as ESDI, +20% faster than IDE, and support up to 7 devices its acceptance ...has +long been stalled by incompatability problems and installation headaches."" +note what it does NOT site as a factor: PRICE. +int eh same article the PC would will get plug and play SCSI {from the +article it seems you get plug and play SCSI-1 only since SCSI-2 in FULL +implimentation has TEN NOT 7 devices.} +SCSI-1 intergration is sited as another part of the MicroSoft Plug and play +program. +";5;True +"Subject: What about SMARTDRV /DOUBLE_BUFFER? +From: psweeney@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu +Organization: Miami University Academic Computer Service"" +Lines: 9 + +I am curious: what does the /double_buffer parameter in smartdrv actually do +for me? I seem to have less problems in Windows when I leave it out. + +Using a PS/2 with an ESDI drive, but also a PS/2 with a SCSI. + +Any response is welcome. + +Peter Sweeney +psweeney@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu +";6;True +"From: david@terminus.ericsson.se (David Bold) +Subject: Re: Question for those with popular morality +Reply-To: david@terminus.ericsson.se +Distribution: world +Organization: Camtec Electronics (Ericsson), Leicester, England +Lines: 89 +Nntp-Posting-Host: bangkok + +In article Fo2@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU, pmy@vivaldi.acc.virginia.edu (Pete Yadlowsky) writes: + + + +>>In this case, the Driver does not evolve but simply Is. There would +>>probably not be any manifestation in an infant because the Moral +>>Code has not been learnt yet (ie. the object upon which the Driver +>>acts upon). +> +>Without manifestation, though, how can the Driver be detected? For +>all purposes it seems not to exist until Moral Coding begins. +>Actually, I agree with your notion of a Driver, except that I think +>it's not moral but pre- (and super-)moral. It is, as I mentioned +>earlier in this thread, a primal sense of connection, a pre- and +>post-natal umbilical the awareness of which is expressed in a +>partial, fragmented way that accomodates (and forms, in return) the +>language and customs of a given culture. This halting, pidgin-english +>expression is, I think, what we come to call 'morality'. + +Compare the Driver to an urge such as Jealousy, where there is an urge +and an ""object"". The jealousy does not technically exist until the object +is apparent. However, the capacity to be jealous is presumably still there +even though it is not detectable. + +Your description of the Unbilical took me three passes to understand (!) but +I get the gist and I have to tentatively agree. I think our two definitions +can sit side by side without too much trouble, though. I haven't attempted to +define the reason behind the Moral Driver (only hinted through the essence of +each Moral). Your definition hints that animals are also capable of a +similar morality - Simians have a similar Social Order to ourselves and it is +easy to anthropomorphize with these animals. Is this possible or have I +misunderstood? + +> +>>>>If my suggestion holds true then this is the area where work must be +>>>>carried out to prevent a moral deterioration of Society, +> +>>>What kind of work, exactly? +> +>>Well, here you have asked the BIG question. [...] +>>I have a slight suspicion that you were hoping I would say +>>something really contentious in this reply (from your final question). +> +>No, not at all. I was just wondering if you subscribed to some +>particular school of psycho-social thought and rehabilitation, and if +>perhaps you had a plan. I'd have been interested to hear it. +> + +My p.s. thoughts falls roughly in line with John Stuart Mill and +his writings on Utilitarianism. I have no particular plan (except to do +my bit - personal ethics AND social work). My opinion (for what it is worth) +is that the Authority for each Moral must be increased somehow, and that this +will probably take several generations to be effective. I don't think that the +list of Morals has changed for Society significantly, though . The Authority element +may come from our authority figures and roles models (see Eric Berne and his +transactional analysis work [+ Mavis Klein] for references) and this is what +gives rise to a deterioration of moral standards in the long term. + +I've had some more thoughts on my definitions: + +I've was thinking that I should add Moral Character to the list of definitions +in order to get a dynamic version of the Moral Nature (ie. the interplay of +the Moral Code and associated Authorities). A suitable analogy might be a +graphic equaliser on a HiFi system - the Moral Nature being the set of +frequencies and the chosen 'amplitudes', and the Moral Character being the +spectrum over time. + +Conscience is a little more difficult because I can't define it as the +reasoning of a person between actions in the context of his Moral Nature +because Conscience seems to cut in most of the time unbidden and often +unwanted. I think Conscience is manifest when a decision is made at a given +time which compromises one's Moral Nature. My Conscience fits in more with +Freud's SuperEgo (plus the Moral Driver) with the stimulous being the +urges or Freud's Id. The reasoning that I mentioned before is Freud's Ego, +I suppose. If the Moral Driver is part of the Id then the reason why +Conscience cuts in unbidden is partially explained. The question is ""what +provides the stimulous to activate the Moral driver?"". I think I need some +more time with this one. + +That's about it for now! + +David. + +--- +On religion: + +""Oh, where is the sea?"", the fishes cried, +As they swam its clearness through. + +";19;True +"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) +Subject: A moment of silence for the perpetrators of the Turkish Genocide? +Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) +Distribution: world +Lines: 115 + +In article <48299@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> ma170saj@sdcc14.ucsd.edu (System Operator) writes: + +> April 24th is approaching, and Armenians around the world +>are getting ready to remember the massacres of their family members + +Celebrating in joy the cold-blooded genocide of 2.5 million Muslim +people by your criminal grandparents between 1914 and 1920? Did you +think that you could cover up the genocide perpetrated by your fascist +grandparents against my grandparents in 1914? You've never heard of +'April 23rd'? + + + ""In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul. + It is in our power to tear away the veil of illusion that some of us + create for ourselves. It certainly is possible to severe the artificial + life-support system of an imagined 'ethnic purity' that some of us + falsely trust as the only structure that can support their heart beats + in this alien land."" + (Sahak Melkonian - 1920 - ""Preserving the Armenian purity"") + + +During the First World War and the ensuing years - 1914-1920, +the Armenian Dictatorship through a premeditated and systematic +genocide, tried to complete its centuries-old policy of +annihilation against the Turks and Kurds by savagely murdering +2.5 million Muslims and deporting the rest from their 1,000 year +homeland. + +The attempt at genocide is justly regarded as the first instance +of Genocide in the 20th Century acted upon an entire people. +This event is incontrovertibly proven by historians, government +and international political leaders, such as U.S. Ambassador Mark +Bristol, William Langer, Ambassador Layard, James Barton, Stanford +Shaw, Arthur Chester, John Dewey, Robert Dunn, Papazian, Nalbandian, +Ohanus Appressian, Jorge Blanco Villalta, General Nikolayef, General +Bolkovitinof, General Prjevalski, General Odiselidze, Meguerditche, +Kazimir, Motayef, Twerdokhlebof, General Hamelin, Rawlinson, Avetis +Aharonian, Dr. Stephan Eshnanie, Varandian, General Bronsart, Arfa, +Dr. Hamlin, Boghos Nubar, Sarkis Atamian, Katchaznouni, Rachel +Bortnick, Halide Edip, McCarthy, W. B. Allen, Paul Muratoff and many +others. + +J. C. Hurewitz, Professor of Government Emeritus, Former Director of +the Middle East Institute (1971-1984), Columbia University. + +Bernard Lewis, Cleveland E. Dodge Professor of Near Eastern History, +Princeton University. + +Halil Inalcik, University Professor of Ottoman History & Member of +the American Academy of Arts & Sciences, University of Chicago. + +Peter Golden, Professor of History, Rutgers University, Newark. + +Stanford Shaw, Professor of History, University of California at +Los Angeles. + +Thomas Naff, Professor of History & Director, Middle East Research +Institute, University of Pennsylvania. + +Ronald Jennings, Associate Professor of History & Asian Studies, +University of Illinois. + +Howard Reed, Professor of History, University of Connecticut. + +Dankwart Rustow, Distinguished University Professor of Political +Science, City University Graduate School, New York. + +John Woods, Associate Professor of Middle Eastern History, +University of Chicago. + +John Masson Smith, Jr., Professor of History, University of +California at Berkeley. + +Alan Fisher, Professor of History, Michigan State University. + +Avigdor Levy, Professor of History, Brandeis University. + +Andreas G. E. Bodrogligetti, Professor of History, University of California +at Los Angeles. + +Kathleen Burrill, Associate Professor of Turkish Studies, Columbia University. + +Roderic Davison, Professor of History, George Washington University. + +Walter Denny, Professor of History, University of Massachusetts. + +Caesar Farah, Professor of History, University of Minnesota. + +Tom Goodrich, Professor of History, Indiana University of Pennsylvania. + +Tibor Halasi-Kun, Professor Emeritus of Turkish Studies, Columbia University. + +Justin McCarthy, Professor of History, University of Louisville. + +Jon Mandaville, Professor of History, Portland State University (Oregon). + +Robert Olson, Professor of History, University of Kentucky. + +Madeline Zilfi, Professor of History, University of Maryland. + +James Stewart-Robinson, Professor of Turkish Studies, University of Michigan. + +.......so the list goes on and on and on..... + + +Serdar Argic + + 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that + might serve as ways of escape for the Turks + and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' + (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) + 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists + a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) + + +";15;True +"From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) +Subject: Re: Trade rumor: Montreal/Ottawa/Phillie +Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department +Lines: 42 + +In article <1993Apr5.203552.1@kean.ucs.mun.ca> slegge@kean.ucs.mun.ca writes: +>TSN Sportsdesk just reported that the OTTAWA SUN has reported that +>Montreal will send 4 players + $15 million including Vin Damphousse +>and Brian Bellows to Phillidelphia, Phillie will send Eric Lindros +>to Ottawa, and Ottawa will give it's first round pick to Montreal. +> + +Obviously some reporter for the Ottawa Sun got taken by an April +Fools joke...probably started by someone with the Nordiques or the +Bruins. + +Like for example...who is going to reimburse the Flyers for the +$15 million they paid to the Nordiques...like the Senators are +going to get Lindros and $15 million. The Flyers sent the +equivalent of 6 or 7 players (when you include the draft choices) +to Quebec, and they are going to get only four back. + +Some reporter was had real badly and someone must be having a +real good laugh seeing as how the so much of the sports media +has chosen to publicize this utter nonsense. + +>If this is true, it will most likely depend on whether or not Ottawa +>gets to choose 1st overall. Can Ottawa afford Lindros' salary? +> + +Can you think...it cannot possibly be true...no need for the ""if""! + +>Personally, I can't see Philli giving up Lindros -- for anything. +>They didn't give away that much to Quebec just to trade him away +>again. Not to mention that Lindros seems to be a *huge* draw in +>Phillie -- and that he represents a successful future for the +>franchise. +> +>Ottawa may be better off taking the 4 players +$15 from Montreal +>for the pick. +> + +I can't believe that anyone would consider giving such crap even +the remotest consideration. + +Gerald + +";13;True +"From: vincent@cad.gatech.edu (Vincent Fox) +Subject: Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card +Organization: Deep Thirteen, Gizmonics Institute +Lines: 90 +Distribution: usa +NNTP-Posting-Host: cae.cad.gatech.edu + +In <93104.173826U28037@uicvm.uic.edu> Jason Kratz writes: +[deleted] +[] And as far as fully-automatic weapons, you can be a lot better +[]armed if you want to hit what you aim at. +[] +>What seems to be happening here is the situation getting totally blown out of +>proportion. In my post I was referring to your regular patrolman in a car +>cruising around the city vs. gang members. Of course the police have access +>to the things that you mentioned but do they use tanks and such all of the +>time? Of course they don't and that's the point I was trying to make. Every +>day when I go out to lunch I always see cops coming in. The majority that I +>see are still carrying revolvers. Not that there is anything wrong with a +>revolver but if you're a cop that is up against some gang member with a couple +>of automatics in his coat (I mean semi-auto handguns) you're going to be at a +>disadvantage even with training. I have been at a shooting range where gang +>gang members were ""practicing"" shooting. They were actually practicing +>taking out their guns as quick as possible and shooting at the target +>and they weren't doing too badly either. The University cops here (who are +>are state cops) are armed better than the Chicago police. It seems most +>state cops are. + +Define ""armed better"". Go shoot a revolver and a semi-auto like the +Colt .45. Does one fires faster than the other? Nope. Aside from which +faster rate of fire is usually not desirable. Sure it makes the other +guys duck for cover, but just *YOU* trying hitting anything with a Thompson +in hose-mode. This is why the military is limiting it's M-16 now to +3-round burst-fire. Simple semi-auto would be better, but the troops +like to be able to rock and roll even if it is wasteful of ammo (something +often in short supply when the enemy is plentiful). + +A revolver is equally capable as a semi-auto in the same caliber. + +- A revolver also has the advantage that if it misfires you just pull + the trigger again. +- A double-action revolver (almost all of them) can be hand-cocked first, + but will fire merely by pulling the trigger. +- A misfire in a revolver merely means you must pull the trigger again + to rotate to the next round. +- A revolver can be carried with the 6th chamber empty and under the + hammer for maximum safety, but still can be drawn and fired with an + easy motion, even one handed. +- Speedloaders for a revolver allow reloads almost as fast as magazines + on semi-autos. Can be faster depending on users. + +- A misfire in a semi-auto will require you to clear a jammed shell + first, time spent which can be fatal. And a vital second or so is often + lost as you realize ""hey, it's jammed!"" before starting to do anything + about clearing it. +- Most semi-autos must have the slide worked to chamber the first round + and cock the hammer. Some police carry their semi-autos with the + chamber loaded and hammer cocked, but a safety engaged. I do not consider + this safe however. You must trade-off safety to get the same speed + of employment as a revolver. +- There are some double-action semi-autos out there, but the complexity of + operation of many of them requires more training. + +Some police departments switched to Glocks, and then started quietly +switching many officers back to the old revolvers. Too many were having +accidents, partly due to the poor training they received. Not that Glocks +require rocket scientists, but some cops are baffled by something as complex +as the timer on a VCR. + +Anyone who goes anyone saying that the criminals obviously outgun +the police don't know nothing about firearms. Turn off COPS and Hunter +and pay attention. I do not seek here to say ""semi-autos are junk"" +merely that assuming they are better for all jobs is stupid. A cop +with a revolver on his hip and a shotgun in the rack is more than +equipped for anything short of a riot. + +Gun control is hitting what you aim at. If you whip out a +wonder-nine and fire real fast you may find you don't hit anything. +Good controlled fire from a revolver is more likely to get you a hit. +I own a 9mm Beretta myself but consider it inferior as a carry weapon +to something like the Ruger Security Six revolver. If I haven't hit +what I'm aiming at in the first 5 shots, something is quite seriously +wrong somewheres. While I might like having the backup capacity of those +extra shots in certain cases, overwhelmingly the # of shots fired in +criminal encounters is less than 5. + +What do crooks overwhelmingly use in crime? Why the same nice simple +.38 revolvers that the police often use. Well actually some police +prefer the much heftier .357 Magnum, but anyway..... + +ObPlea: Don't flame me, I prefer semi-autos for most things. But they + introduce unneccessary complications to something as nerve-wracking + as an abrupt encounter with a lone criminal. + +-- +""If everything had gone as planned, everything would have been perfect."" + -BATF spokesperson on CNN 3/2/93, regarding failed raid attempt in TX. +";3;True +"From: baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) +Subject: Some Recent Observations by Hubble +Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory +Lines: 23 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov +Keywords: HST, Pluto, Uranus +News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 + +Here are some recent observations taken by the Hubble Space Telescope: + + o The Faint Object Spectrograph (FOS) was used to make ultraviolet + observations of both the planet Pluto, and its moon Charon. The + peakups were successful. The observations were executed as + scheduled, and no problems were reported. + + o Observations were made using the High Speed Photometer of the Planet + Uranus during an occultation by a faint star in Capricornus. These + observations will help in our understanding of the planet's + atmospheric radiative and dynamical processes. This event occurred + close to the last quarter moon, and special arrangements had to be + made to modify the lunar limit tests to allow these observations. + The observations are currently being reviewed, and all the + observations looked okay. + + ___ _____ ___ + /_ /| /____/ \ /_ /| Ron Baalke | baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov + | | | | __ \ /| | | | Jet Propulsion Lab | + ___| | | | |__) |/ | | |__ M/S 525-3684 Telos | Being cynical never helps +/___| | | | ___/ | |/__ /| Pasadena, CA 91109 | to correct the situation +|_____|/ |_|/ |_____|/ | and causes more aggravation + | instead. +";2;True +"From: agr00@ccc.amdahl.com (Anthony G Rose) +Subject: Re: Davidians and compassion +Reply-To: agr00@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Anthony G Rose) +Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA +Lines: 31 + +In article sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes: +>So we have this highly Christian religious order that put fire +>on their house, killing most of the people inside. +> +>I'm not that annoyed about the adults, they knew supposedly what +>they were doing, and it's their own actions. +> +>What I mostly are angry about is the fact that the people inside, +>including mothers, let the children suffer and die during awful +>conditions. +> +>If this is considered religious following to the end, I'm proud +>that I don't follow such fanatical and non-compassionate religions. +> +>You might want to die for whatever purpose, but please spare +>the innocent young ones that has nothing to do with this all. +> +>I have a hard time just now understanding that Christianity +>knows about the word compassion. Christians, do you think +>the actions today would produce a good picture of your +>religion? +> +> +>Kent +> +>--- +>sandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net. + + +Surely you are not equating David Koresh with Christianity? The two are +not comparable. +";19;True +"From: tuinstra@sunspot.ece.clarkson.edu.soe (Dwight Tuinstra) +Subject: re: WH announcement +Reply-To: tuinstra@sunspot.ece.clarkson.edu.soe +Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. +Lines: 70 +Nntp-Posting-Host: sunspot.ece.clarkson.edu +Cc: tuinstra + + +Q: Who was consulted? The Congress? Industry? + +A: We have on-going discussions with Congress and industry on + encryption issues, and expect those discussions to intensify + as we carry out our review of encryption policy. We have + briefed members of Congress and industry leaders on the + decisions related to this initiative. + +Congress?? So we're playing politics before we talk to CPSR, academia, +the public, internet users? I`ve heard of top-down design, but top-down +democracy?? [Just whose state/district are the chip manufacturers in?] + +Q: If the Administration were unable to find a technological + solution like the one proposed, would the Administration be + willing to use legal remedies to restrict access to more + powerful encryption devices? + +A: This is a fundamental policy question which will be + considered during the broad policy review. [...bs about + the wonderfulness of the key escrow system...] + + The Administration is not saying, ""since encryption + threatens the public safety and effective law enforcement, + we will prohibit it outright"" (as some countries have + effectively done); + +They'll just provide an easily-compromised version to JQ Public. + + nor is the U.S. saying that ""every + American, as a matter of right, is entitled to an + unbreakable commercial encryption product."" + +Maybe we need a CRA -- Cryptographic Rights Amendment. + + There is a + false ""tension"" created in the assessment that this issue is + an ""either-or"" proposition. Rather, both concerns can be, + and in fact are, harmoniously balanced through a reasoned, + balanced approach such as is proposed with the ""Clipper + Chip"" and similar encryption techniques. + +Nice lullaby. But why am I not soothed? + +---------------- +Also, + +In article 15472@leland.Stanford.EDU, arc@leland.Stanford.EDU (Andrew Richard Conway) writes: +>P.S. I can't work out why the US government doesn't want to sell +>them overseas. After all, they are rather easy for US interests to decode, +>so make a perfect tool for industrial/military espionage...lulling +>anyone stupid enough to buy it into a false sense of security. You will +>notice that there is NO mention anywhere about safety for non-Americans. +> + +Why repeat themselves? It appears to some (and the story looks pretty +convincing to me, too) that the Justice Department stole a case-tracking +system, modified it, and distributed it to ""friendly"" police and suchlike +agencies around the world, eg. the Canadian Mounties. Of course, I have +no doubt they swore Scout's Honor that there were no backdoors. + +With that kind of intelligence, who'd want to be swamped with terabytes +of commercial traffic? + ++========================================================================+ +| dwight tuinstra best: tuinstra@sandman.ece.clarkson.edu | +| tolerable: tuinstrd@craft.camp.clarkson.edu | +| | +| ""Homo sapiens: planetary cancer?? ... News at six"" | ++========================================================================+ +";16;True +"From: liuxu@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Xudong Liu) +Subject: File downloading +Originator: liuxu@cmr1 +Nntp-Posting-Host: cmr1 +Organization: Vanderbilt University School of Engineering, Nashville, TN, USA +Distribution: usa +Lines: 9 + +As a beginer, I just wonder how to transfer files from the Sun +system (which is on the network) to my PC at home (not connected +to the network). I tried to use 'COMit' to do so, but it was very +slow and it seemed that getting multiple files at the same time +was impossible. Could anybody give me some hints & infomation? + +Thank you in advance. + +liu +";6;True +"From: rstimets@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (robert and stimets) +Subject: Reds snap 5-game losing streak: RedReport 4-18 +Keywords: Finally +Nntp-Posting-Host: silver.ucs.indiana.edu +Organization: Indiana University +Lines: 136 + +Kevin Mitchell's sacrifice fly in the eighth off Brett Saberhagen plated +pitch runner Cesar Hernandez to give the Reds a 2-3 come-from-behind victory over +New York. Hernandez ran for pinch-hitter Cecil Espy, who got the inning started +with a solid single to right, moved to second on ""Bob"" Kelly's infield sneaker +down the third-base line, and to third on Jeff Branson's well-placed bunt--a +rare show of excellent execution by the recently hapless Reds offense. + +Cincinnati trailed 2-0 after starter Tim Pugh blinked in the fifth. He had only +given up one hit in the first four innings, a fourth-inning lead-off double +by Vince Coleman. Coleman was left stranded at third by Bobby Bonilla after +Joe Orselak popped to short. Orselak was pinch-hitting for Eddie Murray who +argued plate umpire Kellogg's inside strike by ""drawing the line"" (really, he +should know better than that). Murray, and later manager Jeff Torborg ended up getting +tossed. + +The Mets' fifth started with a Howard Johnson's first-pitch homer. Pugh must +have been slightly shaken, as he was popped on the next pitch by Jeff Kent's +single, then a Ryan Thompson liner to left was (surprise) misplayed by Mitchell +and turned into a RBI triple. Catcher Hundley's grounder to the drawn-in Branson +failed to bring Thompson in, then the play of the game occured: + +Saberhagen was due up, so Reds pitching coach Larry Rothschild met with the infield +to discuss the possibility of a suicide squeeze. They called it perfectly: +Thompson was hung out to dry after Pugh's first-pitch pitch out and the threat ended. +(Isn't the NATIONAL LEAGUE great??) + +The Reds picked up 2 runs in the seventh to knot up the game. After Barry Larkin's +ground out, Mitchell, Chris Sabo, and Randy Milligan got back-to-back-to-back +singles--the third scoring Mitchell. Reggie Sanders then plated Sabo with a long +fly to center. A double by Oliver might have scored runner Dan Wilson, but +third base coach Dave Bristol threw up the stop sign too late--Wilson himself was +hung out to dry killing the Reds rally. + +Rob Dibble came on in the ninth and pitched shakily. With two outs and a runner +on second Bonilla came to the plate and all I could think of was the Sunday game +in late August last year when Bonilla's three-run dinger slapped a loss on +Dibble and spelled the beginning of the end for Cinci's season. Bonilla ended +up walking, and HoJo flied out to left to give the Reds their first win in a +week, and earned Dibble his third save in as many opportunities. The win went +to Steve Foster (1-2) who got in what must be an ego-boosting two perfect innings +work, striking out three. Saberhagen (2-1) got the loss--though I'm a bit +surprised he even pitched in the eighth. I'll take it, though. + +The Reds are now 3-9, still the worst team in baseball with the Royals victory +today. The Mets are 6-5. + + +The Line: + +New York Mets + + AB R H K BB LO +-----------------------------------------------|---------------------------- +Coleman lf 4 0 1 0 0 0 +Fernandez ss 4 0 0 1 0 0 +Murray 1b 1 0 0 0 0 0 + Orselak ph/rf 3 0 1 0 0 0 +Bonilla rf/1b 3 0 0 2 1 1 +Johnson 3b 3 1 1 1 0 2 +Kent 2b 3 1 1 1 0 0 +Thompson cf 3 0 1 1 0 0 +Hundley c 3 0 0 2 0 0 +Saberhagen p 3 0 0 0 0 0 +---------------------------------------------------------------------------- +Totals 30 2 5 8 1 3 + +HR-Johnson (off Pugh, leading off fifth, 0-0 pitch) +3b-Thompson (off Pugh, in fifth, 0 out, 1 RBI, picked-off) +2b-Coleman (off Pugh, in fourth, 0 out, 0 on, stranded at third) +RBI-Johnson, Thompson + + +Cincinnati Reds + + AB R H K BB LO +-----------------------------------------------|---------------------------- +Kelly cf 4 0 1 0 0 0 +Branson 2b 3 0 1 0 0 0 +Larkin ss 3 0 0 0 1 0 +Mitchell lf 3 1 1 0 0 0 + Dibble p 0 0 0 0 0 0 +Sabo 3b 4 1 1 1 0 2 +Milligan 1b 3 0 3 0 0 0 + Wilson pr/c 0 0 0 0 0 0 +Sanders rf 2 0 0 0 0 1 +Oliver c/1b 3 0 1 1 0 1 +Pugh p 1 0 0 1 0 0 + Roberts ph 1 0 0 1 0 0 + Foster p 0 0 0 0 0 0 + Espy ph 1 0 1 0 0 0 + Hernandez pr/lf 0 1 0 0 0 0 +---------------------------------------------------------------------------- +Totals 28 3 9 4 1 5 (*) + +(*) Oliver was stranded in the seventh after his double when Wilson was run down. + +2b Oliver (off Saberhagen, 2 out, runner on first, stranded) +RBI-Milligan, Sanders, and Mitchell +Sac-Branson +SF-Sanders and Mitchell +IBB-Larkin +GDP-Larkin + + +New York 0 0 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 ---- 2-5-0 +Cincinnati 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 1 x ---- 3-9-0 + + +Pitching + + IP R ER H K BB +NEW YORK +Saberhagen (L 2-1) 8 3 3 9 4 1 + +CINCINNATI +Pugh 6 2 2 4 4 0 +Foster (W 1-2) 2 0 0 0 3 0 +Dibble (S 3) 1 0 0 1 1 1 + + +PB- Wilson +Ejected-Murray, Torborg + +Umps-Kellogg/Relliford/Runge/DeMuth + +Attendance 32,435 +T- 2:23 + + +Coming up: +The Reds travel to Pittsburgh for three then continue on into Chicago for +three. Next game is Tuesday at 7:35, expected to pitch are Belcher (0-1) +vs. Tomlin (0-0). + + +RStimets +";14;True +"From: amathur@ces.cwru.edu (Alok Mathur) +Subject: How to get 24bit color with xview frames ? +Organization: Case Western Reserve University +Lines: 55 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: amethyst.ces.cwru.edu + +Hi ! + +I am using Xview 3.0 on a Sparc IPX under Openwindows along with a XVideo board +from Parallax which enables me to use 24 bit color. I am having some problems +utilizing the 24 bit color and would greatly appreciate any help in this matter. + +I use Xview to create a Frame and then create a canvas pane inside which I use +to display live video. My video input is 24 bit color. + +The problem is that my top level frame created as + frame = (Frame) xv_create(NULL,FRAME,NULL); +seems to have a depth of 8 which is propagated to my canvas. + +I would like to know how I can set the depth of the frame to be 24 bits. +I tried using the following Xlib code : + +XVisualInfo visual_info; +int depth = 24; +Colormap colormap; +XSetWindowAttributes attribs; +unsigned long valuemask = 0; +Window *win; +Xv_opaque frame; + +win = xv_get(frame,XV_XID); +XMatchVisualInfo(display,screen,depth,TrueColor,&visual_info); + +/* So far so good */ + +colormap = XCreateColormap(display,win,visual_info,AllocNone); + +/* It dies here with a BadMatch error :( */ + +attribs.colormap = colormap; +valuemask |= CWColormap; +XChangeWindowAttributes(display,w,valuemask,&attribs); +XSetWindowColormap(display,win,colormap); + + +Am I using a completely wrong approach here ? Is it possible to set the depth +and colormap for a window created by Xview ? What am I doing wrong ? + +Thanks in advance for any help that I can get. I would prefer a response via +email although a post on the newsgroup is also okay. + +Thanks again, + + +Alok. +--- +ALOK MATHUR +Computer Science & Engg, Case Western Reserve Univ, Cleveland, OH 44106 +11414 Fairchild Road, #2, Cleveland, OH 44106 +Off - (216) 368-8871 Res - (216) 791-1261, email - amathur@alpha.ces.cwru.edu + +";12;True +"From: jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) +Subject: Re: Question about helmets +Organization: Ontario Hydro - Research Division +Lines: 22 + +In article <1qmnp8INN31v@mojo.eng.umd.edu> oconnor@eng.umd.edu (Mark O'Connor) writes: +> +>On the other side of the fence, I owned a Bieffe off-road helmet. +>Took what I would consider a minor fall, and had visible damage +>to the shell. Yes, the helmet did its job. But the damage/impact +>ratio was scary. I own Bell Moto-5 now, have taken impacts on +>order of twice the Bieffe impact (we do this frequently in MX), +>and don't even have a scratch on it after two seasons. My +>recommendation is to buy _high_ quality gear. YMMV. + +When your helmetted nogin hits an immoveabe object, there are only four things +to dissipate the energy: the immoveable object, the helmet shell, the helmet +liner, the rider's head, the rider's ego (ok, five). Assuming that the helmet/ +head assembly takes the same impact, if the shell cracks in one case, then in +the other the liner must be dented, or the head gets jiggled. If it's the +the liner that's dented, the helmet is just as toast as if the shell were +cracked, it won't absorb energy form an impact in that area. If it's the head +that's getting jiggled, maybe the new gear isn't of as high quality after all? + +I've bike like | Jody Levine DoD #275 kV + got a you can if you -PF | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca + ride it | Toronto, Ontario, Canada +";7;True +"Organization: Penn State University +From: Andrew Newell +Subject: Re: free moral agency +Distribution: na + +Lines: 119 + +In article , bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Bill +Conner) says: +> +>dean.kaflowitz (decay@cbnewsj.cb.att.com) wrote: +> +>: Now, what I am interested in is the original notion you were discussing +>: on moral free agency. That is, how can a god punish a person for +>: not believing in him when that person is only following his or her +>: nature and it is not possible for that person to deny what his or +>: her reason tells him or her, which is that there is no god? +> +>I think you're letting atheist mythology confuse you on the issue of + +(WEBSTER: myth: ""a traditional or legendary story... + ...a belief...whose truth is accepted uncritically."") + +How does that qualify? +Indeed, it's almost oxymoronic...a rather amusing instance. +I've found that most atheists hold almost no atheist-views as +""accepted uncritically,"" especially the few that are legend. +Many are trying to explain basic truths, as myths do, but +they don't meet the other criterions. +Also... + +>Divine justice. According to the most fundamental doctrines of +>Christianity, When the first man sinned, he was at that time the + +You accuse him of referencing mythology, then you procede to +launch your own xtian mythology. (This time meeting all the +requirements of myth.) + +>salvation. The idea of punishment is based on the proposition that +>everyone knows (instinctively?) that God exists, is their creator and + +Ah, but not everyone ""knows"" that god exists. So you have +a fallacy. + +>There's nothing terribly difficult in all this and is well known to +>any reasonably Biblically literate Christian. The only controversy is + +And that makes it true? Holding with the Bible rules out controversy? +Read the FAQ. If you've read it, you missed something, so re-read. +(Not a bad suggestion for anyone...I re-read it just before this.) + +>with those who pretend not to know what is being said and what it +>means. When atheists claim that they do -not- know if God exists and +>don't know what He wants, they contradict the Bible which clearly says +>that -everyone- knows. The authority of the Bible is its claim to be + +...should I repeat what I wrote above for the sake of getting +it across? You may trust the Bible, but your trusting it doesn't +make it any more credible to me. + +If the Bible says that everyone knows, that's clearly reason +to doubt the Bible, because not everyone ""knows"" your alleged +god's alleged existance. + +>refuted while the species-wide condemnation is justified. Those that +>claim that there is no evidence for the existence of God or that His will is +>unknown, must deliberately ignore the Bible; the ignorance itself is +>no excuse. + +1) No, they don't have to ignore the Bible. The Bible is far +from universally accepted. The Bible is NOT a proof of god; +it is only a proof that some people have thought that there +was a god. (Or does it prove even that? They might have been +writing it as series of fiction short-stories. As in the +case of Dionetics.) Assuming the writers believed it, the +only thing it could possibly prove is that they believed it. +And that's ignoring the problem of whether or not all the +interpretations and Biblical-philosophers were correct. + +2) There are people who have truly never heard of the Bible. + +3) Again, read the FAQ. + +>freedom. You are free to ignore God in the same way you are free to +>ignore gravity and the consequences are inevitable and well known +>in both cases. That an atheist can't accept the evidence means only + +Bzzt...wrong answer! +Gravity is directly THERE. It doesn't stop exerting a direct and +rationally undeniable influence if you ignore it. God, on the +other hand, doesn't generally show up in the supermarket, except +on the tabloids. God doesn't exert a rationally undeniable influence. +Gravity is obvious; gods aren't. + +>Secondly, human reason is very comforatble with the concept of God, so +>much so that it is, in itself, intrinsic to our nature. Human reason +>always comes back to the question of God, in every generation and in + +No, human reason hasn't always come back to the existance of +""God""; it has usually come back to the existance of ""god"". +In other words, it doesn't generally come back to the xtian +god, it comes back to whether there is any god. And, in much +of oriental philosophic history, it generally doesn't pop up as +the idea of a god so much as the question of what natural forces +are and which ones are out there. From a world-wide view, +human nature just makes us wonder how the universe came to +be and/or what force(s) are currently in control. A natural +tendancy to believe in ""God"" only exists in religious wishful +thinking. + +>I said all this to make the point that Christianity is eminently +>reasonable, that Divine justice is just and human nature is much +>different than what atheists think it is. Whether you agree or not + +Xtianity is no more reasonable than most other religions, and +it's reasonableness certainly doesn't merit eminence. +Divine justice...well, it only seems just to those who already +believe in the divinity. +First, not all atheists believe the same things about human +nature. Second, whether most atheists are correct or not, +YOU certainly are not correct on human nature. You are, at +the least, basing your views on a completely eurocentric +approach. Try looking at the outside world as well when +you attempt to sum up all of humanity. + +Andrew +";9;True +"From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) +Subject: Re: Moraltiy? (was Re: >>>What if I act morally for no particular reason? Then am I moral? What +>>>>if morality is instinctive, as in most animals? +>>>Saying that morality is instinctive in animals is an attempt to +>>>assume your conclusion. +>>Which conclusion? +>You conclusion - correct me if I err - that the behaviour which is +>instinctive in animals is a ""natural"" moral system. + +See, we are disagreeing on the definition of moral here. Earlier, you said +that it must be a conscious act. By your definition, no instinctive +behavior pattern could be an act of morality. You are trying to apply +human terms to non-humans. I think that even if someone is not conscious +of an alternative, this does not prevent his behavior from being moral. + +>>You don't think that morality is a behavior pattern? What is human +>>morality? A moral action is one that is consistent with a given +>>pattern. That is, we enforce a certain behavior as moral. +>You keep getting this backwards. *You* are trying to show that +>the behaviour pattern is a morality. Whether morality is a behavior +>pattern is irrelevant, since there can be behavior pattern, for +>example the motions of the planets, that most (all?) people would +>not call a morality. + +I try to show it, but by your definition, it can't be shown. + +And, morality can be thought of a large class of princples. It could be +defined in terms of many things--the laws of physics if you wish. However, +it seems silly to talk of a ""moral"" planet because it obeys the laws of +phyics. It is less silly to talk about animals, as they have at least +some free will. + +keith +";9;True +"From: dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca (Deepak Chhabra) +Subject: Superstars and attendance (was Teemu Selanne, was +/- leaders) +Nntp-Posting-Host: stpl.ists.ca +Organization: Solar Terresterial Physics Laboratory, ISTS +Distribution: na +Lines: 115 + + +Dean J. Falcione (posting from jrmst+8@pitt.edu) writes: +[I wrote:] + +>>When the Pens got Mario, granted there was big publicity, etc, etc, +>>and interest was immediately generated. Gretzky did the same thing for LA. +>>However, imnsho, neither team would have seen a marked improvement in +>>attendance if the team record did not improve. In the year before Lemieux +>>came, Pittsburgh finished with 38 points. Following his arrival, the Pens +>>finished with 53, 76, 72, 81, 87, 72, 88, and 87 points, with a couple of + ^^ +>>Stanley Cups thrown in. + +>It was at this point the Pens attendance was near capacity (34 out of 40 +>sellouts) yet they hadn't made the playoffs since 1982. How do you explain +>a 6th place team breaking attendance records when they haven't been to the +>playoffs in 7 years? Mario Lemieux is the explanation, IMHO. + +>You could make a case that the *expectation* of an improving team that +>would make the playoffs is the reason. + +Funny you should mention it...this is exactly the case I was going to make. + +>But I think the reason is Lemieux +>had a 168 point season and was the first non-Gretzky to win the Hart and +>Ross since 1980. People turned out to watch him play. + +I will grant that a star like Mario will draw fans, even if the team sucks. +But this is short term only; I still do not think the attendance increase +will last, unless the team is a winning/competitive/improving/butt-kicking +one. Pittsburgh was still getting better, so people continued to support +them. If they suddenly dropped to, say, 50 points, you'd have knee surgery +for some of the people jumping off the bandwagon. + +>Also, the following year (88-89) the Pens had 89 points not 87. + +Ok. My numbers came from the NHL Guide and Record Book. + +>They made the transaction to try and build a winner around Mario, that is +>true. But the improvement in attendance came before they started doing +>this (Coffey late in 1987) and before they even had a playoff bound team. +>A doubling of attendance occured in 1984-85 from the previous year. An +>increase from 38 points to 53 points is not going to do that. The arrival +>of Mario Lemieux is what did it. + +You can give the credit to Mario since he deserves it. But my point is that +it wasn't Mario himself, but it was the *expectation* of things to come (i.e. +a winning team) that he created by being the next great hockey superstar. And +before anybody jumps in and says I'm nit-picking and mincing words, go back +and read from where this thread started... + +It might help to think about what would go through a fan's mind who suddenly +found an interest in Mario and the Pens. Was it ""gee, Mario Lemieux is +amazing, I'll go watch him play"", or was it ""gee, now we've got a *kick* +*ass* guy on *our* side, I'll go watch him play"". I think it was the latter. + +> Similar thing happened in L.A. Before +>Gretzky's arrival, about 12000 per game. After, constant sellouts. They +>are STILL selling out every game despite showing little or no improvement +>since Gretzky's first year there. How do you explain it? People are going +>to see Gretzky. they certainly aren't going to see a winner, they haven't +>GOT a winner. They've had MUCH better teams in their past history than +>they currently have, yet they didn't draw as well then. + +I don't think this is accurate. The *tickets* sell, but people don't go to +the games. I think this thread has already been discussed...season ticket +holders in LA don't always use their tickets. So in effect, after the Kings +initial success following Gretzky's arrival (68 to 91 points, same source) +and corresponding attendance jump, there has been an effective drop in +attendance even though ticket sales may not have changed much. + +Whether or not the Kings are a 'winner' is debatable. I claim that since +Gretzky's arrival they have at the very least been competitive...I also claim +that McNall has made a stupid move in trying to reassemble the Oiler +dynasty...but that's another story and included only because I don't like +McNall:-). Anyway, McNall did do some heavy marketing around Gretzky, and +that undoubtedly was also responsible for the attendance and merchandising +sales, etc. But as I said, when the Kings have been in there little +tailspins over the past couple of years there have been empty seats at the +Forum even if the tickets were sold. + +>I think in the case of a Lemieux or Gretzky, the player can transcend +>winning as the major drawing power. + +For the short term, IMO. Although I think that it's inevitable that the team +will improve with a player such as Lemieux or Gretzky, simply because they +make people around them better. + +>But winning sure as hell helps. ;-) + +Well, at least we are in full agreement here! + +>This does not make Roger's point any more valid, but the Jets aren't + +So are you saying Roger has ever had a valid point? + +>getting a HUGE jump in productivity, yet they ARE getting a huge +>jump in attendance. This is due to the emergence of Teemu Selanne. +>They have the 17th best record in hockey, it sure as hell isn't because +>they are winning. + +Yes, but they are doing no worse than last year. I think the same type of +reasoning I applied to a new Pittsburgh fan applies to all the extra people +showing up at Winnipeg games. It's difficult to predict, but do you think +that if the Jets miss the playoffs next season that in the year after they +will maintain their attendance levels? I seriously doubt it, because in that +case the expectation of an improving team would be gone, with or without +Selanne. + +I did provide the example of Rocket Ismail and the Toronto Argonauts of the +CFL...did you leave it out because you don't know much about the CFL? If +that's the case then fair enough, but if it isn't the case then I'm curious +to hear your explanation. + + +";13;True +"From: djk@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Dan Keldsen) +Subject: ROK-STEADY keyboard stand FOR SALE - UPDATE +Article-I.D.: geraldo.1qodih$2t2 +Reply-To: djk@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Dan Keldsen) +Distribution: usa +Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX +Lines: 29 +NNTP-Posting-Host: tramp.cc.utexas.edu +Originator: djk@tramp.cc.utexas.edu + +Hello again folks! + +Been a while since I last sold thangs, but the last time went with no problems, +and I'm moving again, so I have a few keyboard stands that I don't need +anymore and don't want to drag back across the country. + +--- +Ultimate Support Stand: + +**Probably SOLD, will see if it is gone by Saturday (pick-up date). + +--- +Rok-Steady 3-tier keyboard stand: +$95 or best offer (try me) +one x-shaped bottom unit, with two sets of ""arms"" that attach +to that to support keyboard (2) above the main ""X"". + +--- +Shipping not included in the above prices, but details can be worked out +if you're interested in these items. + +dan keldsen - djk@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu +-- +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ +Dan Keldsen | Are you now, or have you ever been: +djk@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu | a. A Berklee College student? +Univ. of Texas, Austin | b. A member/fan of Billy Death? +Music Composition, MM | c. a MAX programmer? +M & M Consultant (ask) | d. a Think-C & MIDI programmer? +";8;True +"From: rscharfy@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ryan C Scharfy) +Subject: Re: Good Neighbor Political Hypocrisy Test +Nntp-Posting-Host: magnusug.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu +Organization: The Ohio State University +Lines: 59 + +In article <1993Apr16.141409.25036@pmafire.inel.gov> cdm@pmafire.inel.gov (Dale + Cook) writes: +>In article <1993Apr15.193603.14228@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> rscharfy@magnus. +acs.ohio-state.edu (Ryan C Scharfy) writes: +>>In article steveth@netcom.com (Steve Thomas) w +ri +>>tes: +>> +>>>Just _TRY_ to justify the War On Drugs, I _DARE_ you! +>> +>>A friend of mine who smoke pot every day and last Tuesday took 5 hits of acid + +>>is still having trouble ""aiming"" for the bowl when he takes a dump. Don't as + +>>me how, I just have seen the results. +>> +>>Boy, I really wish we we cut the drug war and have more people screwed up in +>>the head. +> +>I'm sorry about your friend. Really. But this anecdote does nothing to +>justify the ""war on drugs"". If anything, it demonstrates that the ""war"" +>is a miserable failure. What it demonstrates is that people will take +>drugs if they want to, legal or not. Perhaps if your friend were taking +>legal, regulated drugs under a doctors supervision he might not be in the +>position he's in now. +> + +I do agree with you, in a way. The war on drugs has failed, but in my opinion, +that doesn't mean we have to give up. Only change the tactics. + +For instance, here are how some penalties should be changed. + +Dealing Coke -- Death +Dealing Heroin -- Death +Dealing Pot -- Death +Dealing Crack -- Death + +The list goes on and on!!!...... + +JUST KIDDING!!! + +However, on a more serious note, I do believe that we should take some money +away from the foriegn operations in South America and costly border +interdiction efforts. (Don't think I'm going to say, ""spend it to educate +people"", because I know plenty of educated dopers). Actually, spend it on +things like drug treatment programs. + +I saw an interesting story on 60 minutes about how the British actually +prescribe and addict his ""recommended"" dosage, and try to ween him off from it, +or cut the amount down to levels where it is ""acceptable"". Sounds good so far +from what I heard with a decrease in cost, lower addiction rates by wiping out +the dealer's markets, etc. (But that was the only thing I have heard about it.) + +However, legalizing it and just sticking some drugs in gas stations to be +bought like cigarettes is just plain silly. Plus, I have never heard of a +recommended dosage for drugs like crack, ecstasy, chrystal meth and LSD. +The 60 Minute Report said it worked with ""cocaine"" cigarettes, pot and heroin. + +Ryan +";18;True +"From: ""Jae W. Chang"" +Subject: BMW R65 info wanted +Organization: Junior, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA +Lines: 14 +NNTP-Posting-Host: po2.andrew.cmu.edu + + +Hi, someone is selling his bmw R65 ( I think it's an '84 ) w/ 15k +miles for $2200. He says it's in great condition and perfect shape. +It's got the 2 hard saddle bags, too. + +Is this a good deal? Seems like an awesome deal. Is it - assuming that +everything he says is true ? + +Thanks, + +Jae + +-------------------------- +jae@cmu.edu +";7;True +"From: horton@molbio.cbs.umn.edu (Robert Horton) +Subject: Re: Macs suck! Buy a PC! +Nntp-Posting-Host: molbio.cbs.umn.edu +Organization: University of Minnesota +X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 +Lines: 3 + + +Tests suck! Post a real message! +:^) +";0;True +"From: st1g9@rosie.uh.edu (Lee Preimesberger) +Subject: Re: Microsoft DOS 6.0 Upgrade for sale +Article-I.D.: rosie.5APR199322063854 +Distribution: world +Organization: University of Houston +Lines: 26 +NNTP-Posting-Host: rosie.uh.edu +News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 + +In article , hatton@socrates.ucsf.edu (Tom Hatton) writes... +#adn6285@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes: +#>So, does anyone care to enlighten us whether DOS6.0 is worth upgrading to? +#>How good is it's compression, and can it be turned on/off at will? +#>Any other nice/nasty features? +# +#According to reports, if you don't have DOS yet, and don't have any +#utilities (QEMM, Stacker, PCTools, Norton, ...) then DOS6 may be worth it. +#For people who have DOS5, and some sort of utility, DOS6 doesn't offer +#much. You'd never know it from the usual hype that marketing is able +#to create, however. :-) + + IMHO, it seems to be worth the $40 to upgrade. DoubleSpace seems a bit +saner than Stacker 2.0 (which I've replaced). MemMaker is nowhere near as +aggressive as QEMM, but it doesn't hose my system like QEMM did (at least +it hasn't yet). Microsoft AntiVirus is just the latest version (or a +reasonably recent one) of CPAV - mine was very aged, so this was quite welcome. + + MS-DOS 6.0 ain't the end all, be all of operating systems - but it's +better than a sharp stick in the eye, unless you happen to be into that sort +of thing. :-) + + Lee Preimesberger +st1g9@jetson.uh.edu ----- Undergraduate Scum ----- University of Houston, USA + ******** + ""There is freedom of choice for every choice but mine."" +";8;True +"From: jtchern@ocf.berkeley.edu (Joseph Hernandez) +Subject: MLB Standings and Scores for Thu., Apr. 15th, 1993 +Organization: JTC Enterprises Sports Division (Major League Baseball Dept.) +Lines: 73 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: monsoon.berkeley.edu + + + MLB Standings and Scores for Thursday, April 15th, 1993 + (including yesterday's games) + +NATIONAL WEST Won Lost Pct. GB Last 10 Streak Home Road +Houston Astros 05 03 .625 -- 5-3 Won 5 00-03 05-00 +Atlanta Braves 06 04 .600 -- 6-4 Lost 1 03-03 03-01 +San Francisco Giants 05 04 .556 0.5 5-4 Lost 1 02-01 03-03 +Los Angeles Dodgers 03 06 .333 2.5 3-6 Lost 3 00-02 03-04 +Colorado Rockies 02 05 .286 2.5 2-5 Lost 3 02-03 00-02 +San Diego Padres 02 06 .250 3.0 2-6 Lost 3 00-03 02-03 +Cincinnati Reds 02 07 .222 3.5 2-7 Lost 3 01-02 01-05 + +NATIONAL EAST +Philadelphia Phillies 08 01 .889 -- 8-1 Won 5 05-01 03-00 +Pittsburgh Pirates 06 02 .750 1.5 6-2 Won 3 03-02 03-00 +St. Louis Cardinals 06 02 .750 1.5 6-2 Won 2 04-02 02-00 +New York Mets 04 03 .571 3.0 4-3 Won 2 02-03 02-00 +Chicago Cubs 04 05 .444 4.0 4-5 Won 1 01-02 03-03 +Montreal Expos 03 05 .375 4.5 3-5 Lost 2 00-02 03-03 +Florida Marlins 03 06 .333 5.0 3-6 Won 2 02-04 01-02 + + +AMERICAN WEST Won Lost Pct. GB Last 10 Streak Home Road +Texas Rangers 06 02 .750 -- 6-2 Lost 1 04-02 02-00 +California Angels 05 02 .714 0.5 5-2 Won 3 03-02 02-00 +Oakland Athletics 04 03 .571 1.5 4-3 Lost 1 04-02 00-01 +Seattle Mariners 04 03 .571 1.5 4-3 Won 1 03-02 01-01 +Chicago White Sox 04 04 .500 2.0 4-4 Won 1 02-03 02-01 +Minnesota Twins 04 04 .500 2.0 4-4 Lost 1 01-02 03-02 +Kansas City Royals 01 07 .125 5.0 1-7 Lost 2 01-05 00-02 + +AMERICAN EAST +Boston Red Sox 06 02 .750 -- 6-2 Won 2 02-00 04-02 +New York Yankees 05 03 .625 1.0 5-3 Won 2 02-00 03-03 +Toronto Blue Jays 04 03 .571 1.5 4-3 Lost 1 03-02 01-01 +Detroit Tigers 03 04 .429 2.5 3-4 Won 1 01-00 02-04 +Cleveland Indians 03 05 .375 3.0 3-5 Lost 2 02-01 01-04 +Milwaukee Brewers 02 05 .286 3.5 2-5 Lost 4 00-02 02-03 +Baltimore Orioles 02 06 .250 4.0 2-6 Won 1 00-02 02-04 + + + YESTERDAY'S SCORES + (IDLE teams listed in alphabetical order) + +NATIONAL LEAGUE AMERICAN LEAGUE + +Houston 9 Baltimore 6 +Montreal 5 Texas 5 + +Pittsburgh 11 Seattle 10 +San Diego 7 Toronto 9 (10) + +Chicago 6 Cleveland 7 +Atlanta 0 Boston 12 + +Cincinnati 2 California 12 +Philadelphia 9 Milwaukee 2 + +New York 6 Kansas City 5 +Colorado 3 New York 6 + +Florida 6 Minnesota PPD +San Francisco 4 Chicago RAIN + +St. Louis 2 Detroit IDLE +Los Angeles 1 (15) Oakland IDLE +-- +------------------------------------------------------------------------------- +Joseph Hernandez | RAMS | | /.\ ******* _|_|_ / | LAKERS +jtchern@ocf.Berkeley.EDU | KINGS | |__ | | DODGERS _|_|_ | | RAIDERS +jtcent@soda.Berkeley.EDU | ANGELS |____||_|_| ******* | | |___| CLIPPERS +------------------------------------------------------------------------------- +";14;True +"From: rcaldrn@med.miami.edu (Richard Calderon) +Subject: Re: moving icons +Nntp-Posting-Host: epistat.med.miami.edu +Organization: University Of Miami, Medical School +Lines: 17 + +kmembry@viamar.UUCP (Kirk Membry) writes: + +>I remember reading about a program that made windows icons run away +>from the mouse as it moved near them. Does anyone know the name +>of this program and the ftp location (probably at cica) + +As I remember it, the name of the program your looking for is called icofrite. + Cica was where I saw it last. It was quite a while ago. + + +********************************************* +Richard Calderon: rcaldrn@epi.med.miami.edu* +University of Miami School of Medicine * +Information Systems Computing * +1029 NW 15 St. * +Miami, Florida 33136 * +********************************************* +";6;True +"From: bressler@iftccu.ca.boeing.com (Rick Bressler) +Subject: Re: Armed Citizen - April '93 +Organization: Boeing Commercial Airplane Group +Lines: 22 + +/ iftccu:talk.politics.guns / kendall@lds.loral.com (Colin Kendall 6842) / 9:23 am Apr 13, 1993 / + +In article <1993Apr5.164728.10847@dazixco.ingr.com> crphilli@hound.dazixca.ingr.com writes: +>> +>>THE ARMED CITIZEN +>>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +>>Mere presence of a firearm, without a shot being fired, prevents +>>crime in many instances, as shown by news reports sent to The +>>Armed Citizen. +> +>Perhaps so, but note that of the accounts cited, there was only +>one in which no shot was fired. Of the other twelve, five +>described cases in which the assailant was wounded by a shot, +>and six described cases in which the assailant was killed by a +>shot. + +Follow more than one months posting. As more than one reader has noted, +there IS some reporting bias here. I have seen months where these +numbers were reversed. I don't keep a constant tally, but it seems +this particular issue had more shots fired than any other I can remember. + +Rick. +";3;True +"From: dwilson@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (David Wilson) +Subject: VIDEO CAMERA, AMIGA 3000 For Sale as of 4/16 +Lines: 46 +Organization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA +Lines: 46 + +If you are interested in (any of) the following, please contact me: + EMail mbeck@vtssi.vt.edu + Phone (703)552-4381 + USMail Michael Beck + 1200 Progress Street #5500E + Blacksburg, Virginia 24060 +~~~~~~~~~~FOR SALE as of 12AM 4/16/93~~~~~~~~~~ + +1 PANASONIC AF X8 CCD OmniMovie Camcorder + VHS HQ + High Speed Shutter + Flying Erase Head + ca. 3 years old, but only used VERY lightly + Date/Time stamp + Counter/Memory + Rec Review + Fade + Back Light + Auto/Manual Focus + Built in microphone/Jack for external microphone + Comes with: + Sturdy aluminum/hardplastic carrying case + (20"" long X 13"" wide X 6"" high) + Shoulder strap + Power adaptor/battery charger + Battery pack + Remote recording controller + UHF/VHF ---> cable adaptor + Audio/Video cables and adaptor + Aproximate dimensions (measured around outmost features) + 15"" long X 4"" wide X 8"" high (w/ handle) + ASKING PRICE: $BEST OFFER ($700 new price) + +1 AMIGA 3000UX 25mhz, unix compatible machine w/100 meg Hard + Drive, 4 meg RAM, no monitor, keyboard (ESC and ~ keys + broken) + ASKING PRICE: $1500 OBO. + +mult. PROTEON P1390 token ring cards + +SOLD!! AT&T Portable Cellular Phone, Model 3730 + ASKING PRICE: $SOLD FOR $350 (Listed at $600 new) + +SOLD!! COMPAQ LTE/286 laptop - contact for details + BEST OFFER SO FAR $SOLD FOR $475 + +";8;True +"From: yerazunis@cthulu.enet.dec.com +Subject: Re: Hard drive security for FBI targets +Organization: Turing Police +Lines: 22 + + +>cme@ellisun.sw.stratus.com (Carl Ellison) writes: +>For example, if I had a program on my disk which created totally random +>files looking like encrypted messages and could demonstrate that the file +>in question *could have been* created by that program, then my claim that +>it was, in fact, created by that program must stand as true (since I'm +>innocent) unless someone can prove me wrong. + +HMMM... that brings up a neat idea. + +Unfortunately, it's SOOO neat, I think I ought to patent it. + +So I can't tell you about it. + +Sorry. :-) + + -Bill + +Copyright 1993 William S. Yerazunis (aka Crah the Merciless) +All rights reserved, no responsibility taken. + + ""I love the smell of flash powder in the morning! It smells like...like theatre"" +";16;True +"From: arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) +Subject: Re: American Jewish Congress Open Letter to Clinton +Organization: Johns Hopkins University CS Dept. +Lines: 66 + +In article <22APR199300374349@vxcrna.cern.ch> casper@vxcrna.cern.ch (CASPER,DAVI./PPE) writes: +>>>I must say I was appalled by the American Jewish Council's open letter. +>>>America is not the world's policeman. We cannot and should not take it upon +>>>ourselves to solve the problems of the entire world. America's young men and +>>>women should not be sent to Yugoslavia, period. If people feel strongly +>>>enough, let them go as individuals to fight alongside the butchers of their +>>>choice. +>>We have a volunteer army. The argument you gave only applies if we have a +>>draft. +>Huh? + +Sorry, I misread your remark about young men and women. (Though I am now +unsure what that sentence does mean.) + +>>Furthermore, people do not become butchers by _being_ ""ethnic +>>cleansed"". Or do you automatically call them butchers because they are Muslim? +>I am disappointed in your logic, especially coming from a stalwart of +>sci.skeptic. + +You implied that anyone who wants to send troops to Bosnia wants to do so to +help the ""butchers of their choice"". Since the primary targets of help are +Muslim victims of ""ethnic cleansing"", you imply that such Muslim victims are +butchers. + +>1) People become butchers by butchering. There have been atrocities on all +>sides. + +This implies both sides are equal. True, it may sometimes be difficult or +impossible to determine which side is the victim, but that does not mean that +victims do not exist. Would you, in WWII have said that there were atrocities +on the sides of both the Jews and the Germans? + +>These people have been butchering each other for centuries. When one +>side wins and gets what it wants, it will stop. + +Yes, but both sides want different things. The Muslims chiefly want to not +be ""ethnic cleansed"". The Serbians want to ""ethnic cleanse"" the Muslims. It +is indeed true that each side will stop when it gets what it wants, but the +things that the two sides want are not equivalent. + +>2) Quite an impressive leap of reasoning to assume that I am so racist as to +>call someone a butcher because they are Muslim. In fact, I think on the +>contrary, the media fixation on this war, as opposed to the dozens upon dozens +>of civil wars which have been fought in the recent past is because these are +>white people, in Europe. When atrocities occur in the Third World, there is +>not as much news coverage, and not nearly the same level of outrage. + +I recall, before we did anything for Somalia, (apparent) left-wingers saying +that the reason everyone was more willing to send troops to Bosnia than to +Somalia was because the Somalis are third-worlders who Americans consider +unworthy of help. They suddenly shut up when the US decided to send troops to +the opposite place than that predicted by the theory. + +For that matter, this theory of yours suggests that Americans should want to +help the Serbs. After all, they're Christian, and the Muslims are not. If +the desire to intervene in Bosnia is based on racism against people that are +less like us, why does everyone _want_ to help the side that _is_ less like us? +Especially if both of the sides are equal as you seem to think? +-- +""On the first day after Christmas my truelove served to me... Leftover Turkey! +On the second day after Christmas my truelove served to me... Turkey Casserole + that she made from Leftover Turkey. +[days 3-4 deleted] ... Flaming Turkey Wings! ... + -- Pizza Hut commercial (and M*tlu/A*gic bait) + +Ken Arromdee (arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu) +";15;True +"From: dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca (Deepak Chhabra) +Subject: Re: div. and conf. names +Nntp-Posting-Host: stpl.ists.ca +Organization: Solar Terresterial Physics Laboratory, ISTS +Distribution: na +Lines: 56 + +In article <1993Apr19.003221.11964@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca> maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) writes: +[Evan Pritchard writes:] + +>> I think that you are incorrect, Roger. Patrick, +>>Smythe and Adams all played or coached in the league before becoming +>>front office types. Hence, they did help build the league, although +>>they were not great players themselves. +> +>Punch Imlach's contributions as a coach and GM were far greater than +>those of the above combined. Should we name a division or trophy after +>him? [owner vs. player contributions deleted...] +>Are we going to honour those who contributed to the league's evolution +>or are we going to honour those who contributed to the glory of the +>sport itself? + +[stuff deleted...] + +>The money issue is irrelevant to the point that we would agree on, and +>that is: ""it is the players that are what make the game great and not the +>people who put them on the ice"" + +As I recall, the author of the _original_ article that started the thread +claimed that he disliked the changing of the names for a variety of reasons. +Roger, on one front you flamed him rather severely on the grounds that his +was a ""jingoistic rant"", but you also supported the name-changing on the +grounds that the current names are inappropriate because of the individuals +they represent. FWIW, I do not think the flaming was warranted, nor do I +think you enhanced what credibility you have with it at all. Just an +observation... + +However, that aside, the real question is whether you like the idea of +changing the names based on the reasons given for it (making it easier for +the 'casual fan'), or whether you like the idea of unique divisional names +based on individuals who do deserve the honour. IMO, the latter is a nice +and unique touch that differs from other sports. In addition, I do not +think that changing divisional names will have an effect on the number of +people that are interested in hockey, so it's a pointless exercise anyway. + +If the current names are inappropriate, then that is a separate issue, not +central to the original article. Something to consider additionally is +whether or not players like Orr who 'contributed to the glory of the sport' +would have been able to do so _without_ an organized professional league to +play in. In this case, honouring builders of the _league_ as opposed to +builders of the _sport_ becomes a chicken-and-egg type question. (although +it was the chicken.....) + +>Exactly true. Naming divisions and trophies after Smythe and the bunch +>is the same kind of nepotism that put Stein in the hall of fame. I have +>always thought that this was nonsense. + +Dunno if the Stein comparison is justifiable, since it doesn't look as though +his 'unanimous acceptance' to the Hall will hold up. + + +-- +dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca +";13;True +"From: lewism@aix.rpi.edu (Michael C. Lewis) +Subject: Re: Delaunay Triangulation +Nntp-Posting-Host: aix.rpi.edu +Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY +Lines: 16 + +In article zyeh@caspian.usc.edu (zhenghao yeh) writes: +> +>Does anybody know what Delaunay Triangulation is? +>Is there any reference to it? +>Is it useful for creating 3-D objects? If yes, what's the advantage? + +It is used to create a TIN (triangulated irregular network), which is +basically a bunch of triangles which form a surface over a group of +points. What is special about it is that the triangles formed are the +most equalateral possible. Check out ""Proceedings of AutoCarto N"" where +N is 8..10. Sorry, I don't have a specific reference describing the +process. +-Michael + + + +";1;True +"Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, academic Computer Center +From: Jason Kratz +Subject: Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card +Distribution: usa + <1993Apr17.235338.2819@ucsu.Colorad + <1993Apr19.203606.27625@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> +Lines: 45 + +In article <1993Apr19.203606.27625@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>, +andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman) says: +> +>In article <93108.172544U28037@uicvm.uic.edu> Jason Kratz > +>>The point that I forgot to bring up here (and this has nothing to do with g +>bein +>>a gang member or not) is that it is illegal to carry a concealed weapon in s +>thi +>>area (or in the state of illinois for that matter). +> +>Right - it nas nothing to do with whther or not the person +>is/was a gang member, but that's what Kratz inferred.... +> +>Wrong - there are people who can legally carry concealed in IL and +>there are circumstances under which MANY people can carry concealed. +> +>Is accuracy really too much to expect? +> +>-andy +>-- +No it's not. If you would have read my other post I was accurate. Here's what +I said: + +[material from another post]-------------------------> The other point that I +would like to make because I know it's true (looked this one up in the Illinois + this is for you Andy-----> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +statutes before) is that it is illegal to carry a concealed weapon in Illinois. +^^^^^^^^ <------ Also for you Andy. + +And then I went on to say: +There is no such thing as a CCW for us ordinary folk here. +[end of quoted material] + +Of course I forgot to mention who ""us ordinary folk"" are so just for Andy I'm +going to go to the library tomorrow and photocopy the part of the Illinois +statutes with this information and post it. Ordinary citizens CAN NOT get a +license to carry a concealed weapon. There are very few people who can. I +even asked my lawyer friend about this and he told me that only certain people +can get licenses for concealed carry. He couldn't remember which people but he +knew for sure that regular citizens couldn't get that type of license. He told +me to go check at the library for the statutes which I did. I'll post that +info tomorrow night. Until then....... + +Jason +";3;True +"From: f_gautjw@ccsvax.sfasu.edu +Subject: RE: the truth starts to come out +Distribution: usa +Organization: Stephen F. Austin State University +Lines: 28 + +In article , pprun@august.it.uswc.uswest.com writes: +> +> +> I have just one thing to say about this: WRITE YOUR CONGRESSPERSON! +> The FBI and BATF storm troopers must not be allowed to get away with +> this. Demand a full investigation of the Waco survivor's story of +> the lantern being knocked over by the tank. We can't bring anybody +> back from the dead, but we may be able to send a few of them to +> political hell. + +I heard over NPR yesterday morning that Arlan Specter, Senator from +Pennsylvania, has already called for a Congressional investigation. +The problem is that Specter was one of the key government attorneys several +years ago who did what he could to coverup facts in the assassinations +of JFK and others. That is to say, the Chief Fox wants to check out +the hen house. Writing your representatives is a great idea. When +you do ask that they keep Specter and his cronies far away from +any investigation. +> +> Would someone please post the generic addresses for Congress and +> Senate so that we can all write letters? +-- + * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * + Joe Gaut | In the super-state, it really does not + | matter at all what actually happened. + Red-neck and proud of it. | Truth is what the government chooses to + | tell you. Justice is what it wants to happen. + Jim Garrison, New Orleans, La. +";3;True +"From: Grant@DOCKMASTER.NCSC.MIL (Lynn R Grant) +Subject: Another key registration body bites the dust (IMHO) +Organization: Yale CS Mail/News Gateway +Lines: 46 + +One of the candidates that has been suggested for a key registration +body is the ACLU. I think this is poor choice. The ACLU is +essentially a group of auditors: they audit how people's civil +liberties are administered. Traditionally, auditors do not like to get +involved in the design or operational aspects of things, and with good +reason. + +When I was a systems programmer, it always infuriated me that the +auditors would come in and tell us our implementation stunk from a +security point of view, but wouldn't tell us how to fix it. I always +figured they just liked to critcize, without doing the work to help fix +the problem. + +Then I took a stint as an auditor, and I found out the real reason. +Auditors don't like to recommend solutions, because it puts them in a +bad position if they have to criticize the implementation later. The +auditee can say, ""Well, you told us this way would be OK."" It +compromises the independence that is a necessary part of the auditor's +job. + +Taking the case at hand, suppose ACLU becomes a key half registrar. +Suppose that, perhaps through some error on ACLU's part, a key half gets +away that shouldn't, and is used to deprive someone of her civil +liberties. The ACLU gets wind of this, and wants to take it to court. +But they end up being at the same time on the side of the defendant +and of the plaintiff, which is not an easy position to be in. + +There are exceptions to the complete independence of auditors: at one +place where I worked, when payroll checks were printed, they were signed +automatically by a signature drum on the bursting machine. This drum +was kept by the auditors (who also kept the check stock), and +was brought down to Data Processing when it was time to do the checks. + +I believe the difference between this situation and the key registration +situation is that it is fairly obvious when it is time to do the payroll +checks: if they were done yesterday, and someone wants to do them again +today, he better be able to produce yesterday's checks so that they can +be destroyed. Determining which of the many requests for key halves are +legit is a trickier process, one much more prone to mistakes that could +put the ACLU in a protecting-the-client versus protecting-the-ACLU +conflict of interest. + +As always, my opinions are my own. + +Lynn Grant +Grant@Dockmaster.NCSC.MIL +";16;True +"From: mjones@watson.ibm.com (Mike Jones) +Subject: Re: Jack Morris +Reply-To: mjones@donald.aix.kingston.ibm.com +Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM. +Nntp-Posting-Host: fenway.aix.kingston.ibm.com +Organization: IBM AIX/ESA Development, Kingston NY +Lines: 97 + +maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) writes: +>In <1993Apr19.053221.11240@cs.cornell.edu> tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes: +>>In article <1993Apr19.024222.11181@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca> cs902043@ariel.yorku.ca (SHAWN LUDDINGTON) writes: +>>>Hey Valentine, I don't see Boston with any world series rings on their +>>>fingers. +>>Yah. So? +>>>Damn, Morris now has three and probably the Hall of Fame in his +>>>future. +>>He certainly didn't earn his last one. *HOW* many games did he blow +>>in the World Series? All of the ones he started? +>He certainly did earn it! He was a valuable member of the Blue Jay team. + +Not particularly *in* the World Series. During the season, he was probably +more valuable than, say, putting Olerud out there to pitch, but yeah, he +*was* valuable in getting them there. In the postseason, he sucked dirty +canal water through a straw. The Jays won *in spite* of Morris much more +than *because of* him. + +>>>Therefore, I would have to say Toronto easily made the best signing. +>>Oh, yes. Definitely. Therefore Morris is better than Clemens. +>Your definition of ""better"" refers to some measurement on a scale that +>has nothing to do with winning WS rings. + +Umm, Roger? Return with us to those halcyon days of a few postings ago, +where the poster Valentine was replying to used # of WS rings as a measure +of better. The concept is called ""context"", and you should really become +familiar with it someday. + +>The facts are that Morris +>has shown us that he has what it takes to play on a WS winning club. +>Clemens hasn't. + +Unless this transaltes to ""Clemens hasn't gone into Lou Gorman's office with +a large caliber handgun and refused to come out until he'd been traded to +the Jays,"" I'm at a complete loss as to any possible meaning for it. + +>You can go on about what Clemens has done in the +>past and claim that he is ""better"" than Morris if you want to. But +>the facts are that Morris has shown us that he can win and Clemens +>hasn't. + +What on earth does this mean? Over their careers, Clemens has ""won"" 68% of +the games he's started, Morris 58%. Per year, Clemens has averaged nearly 17 +wins, Morris just under 15. Would you grant the proposition that preventing +the other team from scoring increases your chances of winning a game? If +so, then consider that Clemens allows 2.8 runs/9 innings pitched. Morris +allows nearly a run more per nine innings. In fact, Jack Morris has never in +his career had an ERA for a single year as good as Clemens' career ERA. But +I forget, in the Maynardverse there was obviously some mystical significance +to Buckner missing that grounder in 1986; had Morris been on the Sox, it +would have been a routine groundout, right? + +>Whether or not Clemens is better by your standard of measurement +>is totally meaningless. The object of the game is not to compile +>high figures in statistics that you have chosen to feel are important. +>The object of the game is to contribute to WS victories. But this +>has been patiently explained to you many, many times and you are +>either too stupid or too stubborn to grasp it. + +Speaking of stupid, it has been patiently (and not-so-patiently) explained to +you many times that attributing greatness to players based on the +accomplishments of their teams makes about as much sense as claiming that +a racecar has the most attractive paint job because it won the race. Your +continued failure to not only understand but even to intelligently reply to +any of the arguments presented leads me to the conclusion that you must have +spent a few too many games in goal without a mask. + +>>Don't give me that shit. If Boston had Alomar, Olerud, Henke, and +>>Ward while Toronto had Rivera, Jack Clark, Jeff Reardon, things would +>>have looked a little different last fall. Give credit where credit is +>>due. This lavishing of praise on Morris makes me sick. +>Yes and the dog would have caught the rabbit too...forget about what +>didn't happen and open your eyes, for once, and look out there and +>see what is REALLY happening. Forget about how Morris ""shouldn't"" +>have won 21 with an ERA over 4. +>When Morris pitched, last year, the Jays won. Stop crying about it and +>get on with life. + +No one is crying; the Jays won, and as a team they certainly deserved to win +at least the AL East. They performed well in two short series and won the +World Series, and I congratulate them for it. As a Red Sox fan, I hope they +keep Morris. I was happy when they picked up Stewart, and elated when they +traded for Darrin Jackson. You see, unless you believe in some mystical link +between Morris and the offense, you can hardly help but believe that the man +was credited with so many wins last year because he got lucky. Luck runs +out, just like it did in 1982 when he pitched 50-odd more innings than 1992, +gave up exactly *one* earned run more than in 1992, and went 17-16. + +Seriously, Roger, I'd really like to hear your explanation of the difference +between the 1982 Morris and the 1992 Morris. Which one was a better pitcher, +and why? Did Morris somehow ""learn how to win"" in the intervening ten years? +If so, then why did he go 18-12 in 1991 with Minnesota with an ERA over half +a run lower than 1992? + + Mike Jones | AIX High-End Development | mjones@donald.aix.kingston.ibm.com + +Don't be humble, you're not that great. +";14;True +"From: francis@ircam.fr (Joseph Francis) +Subject: Re: Krillean Photography +Organization: Inst. de Recherche et Coordination Acoustique/Musique, Paris +Lines: 50 + +In article <1993Apr19.205615.1013@unlv.edu> todamhyp@charles.unlv.edu (Brian M. Huey) writes: +>I think that's the correct spelling.. + +Crullerian. + +> I am looking for any information/supplies that will allow +>do-it-yourselfers to take Krillean Pictures. I'm thinking +>that education suppliers for schools might have a appartus for +>sale, but I don't know any of the companies. Any info is greatly +>appreciated. + +Crullerian photography isn't educational, except in a purely satiric +sense. + +> In case you don't know, Krillean Photography, to the best of my +>knowledge, involves taking pictures of an (most of the time) organic +>object between charged plates. The picture will show energy patterns +>or spikes around the object photographed, and depending on what type +>of object it is, the spikes or energy patterns will vary. One might +>extrapolate here and say that this proves that every object within +>the universe (as we know it) has its own energy signature. + +Crullerian photography involves putting donuts between grease-covered +hot metal plates while illuminating them with a Krypton Stroboscope. +Through a unique iteration involving the 4th-dimensional projection of +a torus through the semi-stochastic interactions of hot monomolecular +lipid layers covering the metal plates (the best metal is iron since +it repels Vampires and Succubi) the donuts start developing flutes, +and within moments actually become poly-crenellated hot greasy +breadtubes. Some people believe that food is the way to a man's heart, +but most psychics agree that there is nothing like hot Crullers for +breakfast; the chemical composition of crullers is a mystery, some +thought evidence of Charles Fort's channeling in Stevie Wonder's +production of ""The Secret Life of Plants"" when played backwards in the +theatre of unnaturally fertile Findhorn Farms has deduced that they +are complex carbohydrates ordinarily only found by spectoscopy in the +Magellenic Clouds. I called Devi on my Orgone Box and asked her if +this was really the case, and she TM levitated me a letter across the +Atlantic to tell me it was indeed not just another case of +misunderstanding Tesla, though the Miskatonic University hasn't +confirmed anything at all. At least the Crullers taste good; I got the +recipe from Kaspar Hauser. + + + + + +-- +| Le Jojo: Fresh 'n' Clean, speaking out to the way you want to live +| today; American - All American; doing, a bit so, and even more so. +";4;True +"From: cdash@moet.cs.colorado.edu (Charles Shub) +Subject: Thumbs WAY WAY WAY DOWN to ESPN +Keywords: Baseball, goddamn Baseball +Nntp-Posting-Host: moet.cs.colorado.edu +Organization: University of Colorado at Colorado Springs +Lines: 12 + +Tuesday, and the isles/caps game is going into overtime. +what does ESPN do..... + +Tom Mees says, ""we are obligated to bring you baseball"" + +I hate to say this, but last year the coverage of the playoffs on +sports channel america (out in colorado) was vastly superior +to what espn is giving us this year. +-- + +charlie shub cdash@cs.Colorado.EDU -or- (719) 593-3492 +on leave at the University of Iowa cdash@cs.uiowa.edu (319) 335-0739 +";13;True +"From: tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) +Subject: Re: was:Go Hezbollah! +Nntp-Posting-Host: orion.oac.uci.edu +Organization: University of California, Irvine +Lines: 133 + +In article bh437292@lance.colostate.edu writes: +> +>It is NOT a ""terrorist camp"" as you and the Israelis like +>to view the villages they are small communities with kids playing soccer +>in the streets, women preparing lunch, men playing cards, etc..... +>SOME young men, usually aged between 17 to 30 years are members of +>the Lebanese resistance. Even the inhabitants of the village do not +>know who these are, they are secretive about it, but most people often +>suspect who they are and what they are up to. These young men are +>supported financially by Iran most of the time. They sneak arms and +>ammunitions into the occupied zone where they set up booby traps +>for Israeli patrols. Every time an Israeli soldier is killed or injured +>by these traps, Israel retalliates by indiscriminately bombing villages +>of their own choosing often killing only innocent civilians. + +This a ""tried and true"" method utilized by guerilla and terrorists groups: +to conduct operations in the midst of the local populace, thus forcing the +opposing ""state"" to possible harm innocent civilians in their search or, +in order to avoid the deaths of civilians, abandon the search. Certainly the +people who use the population for cover are *also* to blaim for dragging the +innocent civilians into harm's way. + +Are you suggesting that, when guerillas use the population for cover, Israel +should totally back down? So...the easiest way to get away with attacking +another is to use an innocent as a shield and hope that the other respects +innocent lives? + +>If Israel insists that +>the so called ""Security Zone"" is necessary for the protection of +>Northern Israel, than it will have to pay the price of its occupation +>with the blood of its soldiers. + +Your damn right Israel insists on some sort of ""demilitarized"" or ""buffer"" +zone. Its had to put up with too many years of attacks from the territory +of Arab states and watched as the states did nothing. It is not exactly +surprizing that Israel decided that the only way to stop such actions is to +do it themselves. + +>If Israel is interested in peace, than it should withdraw from OUR land. + +What? So the whole bit about attacks on Israel from neighboring Arab states +can start all over again? While I also hope for this to happen, it will +only occur WHEN Arab states show that they are *prepared* to take on the +responsibility and the duty to stop guerilla attacks on Israel from their +soil. They have to Prove it (or provide some ""guaratees""), there is no way +Israel is going to accept their ""word""- not with their past attitude of +tolerance towards ""anti-Israel guerillas in-residence"". +> +>I have written before on this very newsgroup, that the only +>real solution will come as a result of a comprehensive peace +>settlement whereby Israel withdraws to its own borders and +>peace keeping troops are stationed along the border to insure +>no one on either side of the border is shelled. + +Good lord, Brad. What in the world goves you the idea that UN troops stop +anything? They are ONLY stationed in a country because that country allows +them in. It can ask them to leave *at any time*; as Nasser did in '56 and +'67. Somehow, with that ""limitation"" on the troops ""powers"" I don't +think that Israel is going to be any more comfortable. Without a *genuine* commitment to peace from the Arab states, and concrete (not intellectual or political exercises in jargon) ""guarantees"" by other parties, the UN is worthless +to Israel (but, perhaps useful as a ""ruse""?). + +>This is the only realistic solution, it is time for Israel to +>realize that the concept of a ""buffer zone"" aimed at protecting +>its northern cities has failed. In fact it has caused much more +>Israeli deaths than the occasional shelling of Northern Israel +>would have resulted in. + +Perhaps you are aware that, to most communities of people, there is +the feeling that it is better that ""many of us die fighting +against those who attack us than for few to die while we silently +accept our fate."" If,however, you call on Israel to see the sense of +suffering fewer casualties, I suggest you apply the same to Palestinian, +Arab and Islamic groups. + +>If Israel really wants to save some Israeli lives it would withdraw +>unilaterally from the so-called ""Security Zone"" before the conclusion +>of the peace talks. Such a move would save Israeli lives, +>advance peace efforts, give Israel a great moral lift, better Israel's +>public image abroad and give it an edge in the peace negociations +>since Israel can rightly claim that it is genuinely interested in +>peace and has already offered some important concessions. +>Along with such a withdrawal Israel could demand that Hizbollah +>be disarmed by the Lebanese government and warn that it will not +>accept any attacks against its northern cities and that if such a +>shelling occurs than it will consider re-taking the buffer zone +>and will hold the Lebanese and Syrian government responsible for it. + +From Israel's perspective, ""concessions"" gets it NOTHING...except the +realization that it has given ""something"" up and now *can only +hope* that the other side decides to do likewise. Words *can be taken +back* by merely doing so; to ""take back"" tangible items (land, +control of land) requires the sort of action you say Israel should +stay away from. + +Israel put up with attacks from Arab state territories for decades +before essentially putting a stop to it through its invasion of Lebanon. +The entire basis of that reality was exactly as you state above: 1) Israel +would express outrage at these attacks and protest to the Arab state +involved, 2) that state promptly ignored the entire matter, secure +in the knowledge that IT could not be held responsible for the acts +committed by ""private groups"", 3) Israel would prepare for the next +round of attacks. What would Israel want to return to those days (and +don't be so idiotic as to suggest ""trust"" for the motivations of +present-day Arab states)? + +>There seems to be very little incentive for the Syrian and Lebanese +>goovernment to allow Hizbollah to bomb Israel proper under such +>circumstances, +> +Ah, ok...what is ""different"" about the present situation that tells +us that the Arab states will *not* pursue their past antagonistic +policies towards Israel? Now, don't talk about vague ""political factors"" +but about those ""tangible"" (just like that which Israel gave up) +factors that ""guarantee"" the responsibility of those states. Your +assessment of ""difference"" here is based on a whole lot of assumptions, +and most states don't feel confortable basing their existence on that +sort of thing. + +>and now the Lebanese government has proven that it is +>capable of controlling and disarming all militias as they did +>in all other parts of Lebanon. +> +>Basil + +It has not. Without the support, and active involvement, of Syria, +Lebanon would not have been able to accomplish all that has occurred. +Once Syria leaves who is to say that Lebanon will be able to retain +control? If Syria stays thay may be even more dangerous for Israel. +> +Tim + +Your view of this entire matter is far too serenely one-sided and +selectively naive. +";15;True +"Organization: Penn State University +From: Robbie Po +Subject: Re: Devils and Islanders tiebreaker???? +Lines: 14 + +In article , enolan@sharkbite.esd.sgi.com (Ed +Nolan) says: +>If the Islanders beat the Devils tonight, they would finish with +>identical records. Who's the lucky team that gets to face the Penguins +>in the opening round? Also, can somebody list the rules for breaking +>ties. + As I recall, the Penguins and Devils tied for third place last year +with identical records, as well. Poor Devils -- they always get screwed. +Yet, they should put a scare into Pittsburgh. They always do! Pens in 7. +------------------------------------------------------------------------- +** Robbie Po ** PGH PENGUINS!!! ""It won't be easy, but it +Contact for the '93-'94 '91 STANLEY CUP will have greater rewards. +Penn State Lady Lions '92 CHAMPIONS Mountains and Valleys are +rap115@psuvm.psu.edu 11 STRAIGHT WINS! better than nothing at all!"" +";13;True +"From: cbrooks@ms.uky.edu (Clayton Brooks) +Subject: Re: Changing sprocket ratios (79 Honda CB750) +Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences +Lines: 15 + +karish@gondwana.Stanford.EDU (Chuck Karish) writes: + +>That's a twin-cam, right? + +Yep...I think it's the only CB750 with a 630 chain. +After 14 years, it's finally stretching into the ""replace"" zone. + +>Honda 750s don't have the widest of power bands. + + I know .... I know. +-- + Clayton T. Brooks _,,-^`--. From the heart cbrooks@ms.uky.edu + 722 POT U o'Ky .__,-' * \ of the blue cbrooks@ukma.bitnet + Lex. KY 40506 _/ ,/ grass and {rutgers,uunet}!ukma!cbrooks + 606-257-6807 (__,-----------'' bourbon country AMA NMA MAA AMS ACBL DoD +";7;True +"From: jbs@rti.rti.org +Subject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption +Organization: Joe's Bar and Grill +Distribution: na +Lines: 24 + +In article strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes: +> +>Though I agree this is not the place to discuss guns, I note in passing that +>a number of gun apologists seem to have ignored the words ""well regulated"" +>in their distorted interpretations of the Second Amendment. + +What interpretations? Just read it as it's written. + ""A well-regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free +state, the right of the people, to keep and bear arms, shall not be +infringed."" + +Where does it say ""The right of the people to be members of a militia shall +not be infringed"" or ""The right of the militia to keep and bear arms shall +not be infringed?"" NOWHERE. + + +""Well-educated businessmen being necessary to the ability of the nation to +compete in the international marketplace, the right of the people to attend +schools shall not be infringed."" + +Would you ""interpret"" this to mean that only businessmen should have a +protected right to attend schools? Why or why not? + + -joe +";3;True +"From: kxgst1@pitt.edu (Kenneth Gilbert) +Subject: Re: Can't Breathe +Article-I.D.: blue.7936 +Lines: 23 +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] + +David Nye (nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu) wrote: +: [reply to ron.roth@rose.com (ron roth)] +: +: >While you're right that the S vertebrae are attached to each other, +: >the sacrum, to my knowledge, *can* be adjusted either directly, or +: >by applying pressure on the pubic bone... +: +: Ron, you're an endless source of misinformation! There ARE no sacral +: vertebrae. There is a bone called the sacrum at the end of the spine. +: It is a single, solid bone except in a few patients who have a +: lumbarized S1 as a normal variant. How do you adjust a solid bone, +: break it? No, don't tell me, I don't want to know. +: +Oh come now, surely you know he only meant to measure the flow of +electromagnetic energy about the sacrum and then adjust these flows +with a crystal of chromium applied to the right great toe. Don't +you know anything? + +-- +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-|-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= += Kenneth Gilbert __|__ University of Pittsburgh = += General Internal Medicine | ""...dammit, not a programmer! = +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-|-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= +";4;True +"From: ac940@Freenet.carleton.ca (Lau Hon-Wah) +Subject: Re: Choosing an appropriate Power Supply--PLEASE HELP! +Reply-To: ac940@Freenet.carleton.ca (Lau Hon-Wah) +Organization: The National Capital Freenet +Lines: 24 + + +In a previous article, lopes@cogsci.ucsd.edu (alann lopes) says: +[...] +> +>The problem is that I recently had an HD go bad and +>someone suggested that it may have been because of +>an inadequate Power Supply -- How does one know +>what kind of wattage is necessary to run two large +>Maxtors (1.2 and 660). + +I am not an expert. My understanding is the watts output of the power +supply must exceed the sum of the hard disk watts requirement. + +Typically, a 200W power supply is sufficient to power a PC. + +Hope this help. + +Lau Hon-Wah +-- +";5;True +"From: DonH@cup.portal.com (Don - Hirschfeld) +Subject: Re: Toshiba 3401B CD-ROM: Any problems? +Organization: The Portal System (TM) +Lines: 1 + +I have the PAS16 / Toshiba 3401 combo and have no problems with it. +";5;True +"From: bgardner@pebbles.es.com (Blaine Gardner) +Subject: Re: FJ1100/1200 Owners: Tankbag Suggestions Wanted +Nntp-Posting-Host: 130.187.85.70 +Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation +Lines: 13 + +In article <1993Apr20.195116.10738@ncsu.edu> martenm@chess.ncsu.edu (Mark Marten) writes: +> +>I am looking for a new tank bag now, and I wondered if you, as follow +>FJ1100/1200 owners, could make some suggestions as to what has, and has +>not worked for you. If there is already a file on this I apologize for +>asking and will gladly accept any flames that are blown my way! + +With the FJ's large, flat gas tank, I'd imagine that almost anything +would work. Personally, I'm quite happy with my Eclipse standard tank +bag. +-- +Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland +bgardner@dsd.es.com +";7;True +"From: zappala@pollux.usc.edu (Daniel Zappala) +Subject: Angels win! +Article-I.D.: pollux.1psvouINNa2l +Distribution: world +Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA +Lines: 6 +NNTP-Posting-Host: pollux.usc.edu + + +The Angels won their home opener against the Brewers today before 33,000+ +at Anaheim Stadium, 3-1 on a 3-hitter by Mark Langston. J.T. Snow and +Gary Discarcina hit home runs for the Angels. + +Daniel +";14;True +"From: uphrrmk@gemini.oscs.montana.edu (Jack Coyote) +Subject: Re: PLANETS STILL: IMAGES ORBIT BY ETHER TWIST +Reply-To: uphrrmk@gemini.oscs.montana.edu (Jack Coyote) +Organization: Never Had It, Never Will +Lines: 14 + +In sci.astro, dmcaloon@tuba.calpoly.edu (David McAloon) writes: + +[ a nearly perfect parody -- needed more random CAPS] + + +Thanks for the chuckle. (I loved the bit about relevance to people starving +in Somalia!) + +To those who've taken this seriously, READ THE NAME! (aloud) + +-- +Thank you, thank you, I'll be here all week. Enjoy the buffet! + + +";2;True +"From: lineber@lonestar.utsa.edu (Jerry M. Lineberry) +Subject: Pov-ray problem / Please Help... +Nntp-Posting-Host: lonestar.utsa.edu +Organization: University of Texas at San Antonio +Lines: 12 + +Hello, + I've recently had Povray draw about 10 sample files. The problem is that +I accidently erased the command in my povray.def that made the image a targas +file. So now the files are the dump format. How do I fix these files with out +having to re-trace them? By fix I mean, turn them into targas. Thanks in +advance. + -Jerry +-- +################################################################# +Jerry M. Lineberry +InterNet : lineber@lonestar.utsa.edu or CompuServe : 71221,3015 +################################################################# +";1;True +"From: chongo@toad.com (Landon C. Noll) +Subject: 10th International Obfuscated C Code Contest Opening (part 2 of 2) +Article-I.D.: toad.32195 +Expires: 7 May 93 00:00:00 GMT +Reply-To: chongo@toad.com.UUCP (Landon C. Noll) +Distribution: world +Organization: Nebula Consultants in San Francisco +Lines: 1382 + +Enclosed are the rules, guidelines and related information for the 10th +International Obfuscated C Code Contest. (This is part 2 of a 2 part +shar file). + +Enjoy! + +chongo /\oo/\ +Larry Bassel + +=-= + +#!/bin/sh +# This is part 02 of a multipart archive +# ============= mkentry.c ============== +echo ""x - extracting mkentry.c (Text)"" +sed 's/^X//' << 'SHAR_EOF' > mkentry.c && +X/* @(#)mkentry.c 1.24 3/1/93 02:28:49 */ +X/* +X * Copyright (c) Landon Curt Noll & Larry Bassel, 1993. +X * All Rights Reserved. Permission for personal, education or non-profit use +X * is granted provided this this copyright and notice are included in its +X * entirety and remains unaltered. All other uses must receive prior +X * permission in writing from both Landon Curt Noll and Larry Bassel. +X */ +X/* +X * mkentry - make an International Obfuscated C Code Contest entry +X * +X * usage: +X * mkentry -r remarks -b build -p prog.c -o ioccc.entry +X * +X * -r remarks file with remarks about the entry +X * -b build file containing how prog.c should be built +X * -p prog.c the obfuscated program source file +X * -o ioccc.entry ioccc entry output file +X * +X * compile by: +X * cc mkentry.c -o mkentry +X */ +X/* +X * Placed in the public domain by Landon Curt Noll, 1992. +X * +X * THIS SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED ``AS IS'' AND WITHOUT ANY EXPRESS OR IMPLIED +X * WARRANTIES, INCLUDING, WITHOUT LIMITATION, THE IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF +X * MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. +X */ +X/* +X * WARNING: +X * +X * This program attempts to implement the IOCCC rules. Every attempt +X * has been made to make sure that this program produces an entry that +X * conforms to the contest rules. In all cases, where this program +X * differs from the contest rules, the contest rules will be used. Be +X * sure to check with the contest rules before submitting an entry. +X * +X * Send questions or comments (but not entries) about the contest, to: +X * +X * ...!{sun,pacbell,uunet,pyramid}!hoptoad!judges +X * judges@toad.com +X * The rules and the guidelines may (and often do) change from year to +X * year. You should be sure you have the current rules and guidelines +X * prior to submitting entries. To obtain all 3 of them, send Email +X * to the address above and use the subject 'send rules'. +X * +X * Because contest rules change from year to year, one should only use this +X * program for the year that it was intended. Be sure that the RULE_YEAR +X * define below matches this current year. +X */ +X +X#include +X#include +X#include +X#include +X#include +X +X/* logic */ +X#ifndef TRUE +X# define TRUE 1 +X#endif /* TRUE */ +X#ifndef FALSE +X# define FALSE 0 +X#endif /* FALSE */ +X#define EOF_OK TRUE +X#define EOF_NOT_OK FALSE +X +X/* global limits */ +X#define RULE_YEAR 1993 /* NOTE: should match the current year */ +X#define START_DATE ""1Mar92 0:00 UTC"" /* first confirmation received */ +X#define MAX_COL 79 /* max column a line should hit */ +X#define MAX_BUILD_SIZE 256 /* max how to build size */ +X#define MAX_PROGRAM_SIZE 3217 /* max program source size */ +X#define MAX_PROGRAM_SIZE2 1536 /* max program source size not counting +X whitespace and {}; not followed by +X whitespace or EOF */ +X#define MAX_TITLE_LEN 12 /* max chars in the title */ +X#define MAX_ENTRY_LEN 1 /* max length in the entry input line */ +X#define MAX_ENTRY 8 /* max number of entries per person per year */ +X#define MAX_FILE_LEN 1024 /* max filename length for a info file */ +X +X/* where to send entries */ +X#define ENTRY_ADDR1 ""...!{apple,pyramid,sun,uunet}!hoptoad!obfuscate"" +X#define ENTRY_ADDR2 ""obfuscate@toad.com"" +X +X/* uuencode process - assumes ASCII */ +X#define UUENCODE(c) (encode_str[(int)(c)&0xff]) +X#define UUENCODE_LEN 45 /* max uuencode chunk size */ +X#define UUINFO_MODE 0444 /* mode of an info file's uuencode file */ +X#define UUBUILD_MODE 0444 /* mode of the build file's uuencode file */ +X#define UUBUILD_NAME ""build"" /* name for the build file's uuencode file */ +X#define UUPROG_MODE 0444 /* mode of the program's uuencode file */ +X#define UUPROG_NAME ""prog.c"" /* name for the program's uuencode file */ +X +X/* encode_str[(char)val] is the uuencoded character of val */ +Xchar encode_str[256+1] = ""`!\""#$%&'()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>?@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\\]^_ !\""#$%&'()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>?@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\\]^_ !\""#$%&'()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>?@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\\]^_ !\""#$%&'()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>?@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\\]^_""; +X +X/* global declarations */ +Xchar *program; /* our name */ +Xlong start_time; /* the startup time */ +X +X/* forward declarations */ +Xvoid parse_args(); +Xvoid usage(); +XFILE *open_remark(); +XFILE *open_build(); +XFILE *open_program(); +XFILE *open_output(); +Xvoid output_entry(); +Xvoid output_remark(); +Xvoid output_author(); +Xvoid output_info(); +Xvoid output_build(); +Xvoid output_program(); +Xvoid output_end(); +Xint get_line(); +Xvoid output_till_dot(); +Xint col_len(); +Xvoid check_io(); +Xvoid uuencode(); +X +Xmain(argc, argv) +X int argc; /* arg count */ +X char **argv; /* the args */ +X{ +X FILE *remark=NULL; /* open remarks stream */ +X FILE *build=NULL; /* open build file stream */ +X FILE *prog=NULL; /* open program stream */ +X FILE *output=NULL; /* open output stream */ +X char *rname=NULL; /* file with remarks about the entry */ +X char *bname=NULL; /* file containing how prog.c should be built */ +X char *pname=NULL; /* the obfuscated program source file */ +X char *oname=NULL; /* ioccc entry output file */ +X struct tm *tm; /* startup time structure */ +X +X /* +X * check on the year +X */ +X start_time = time((long *)0); +X tm = gmtime(&start_time); +X if (tm->tm_year != RULE_YEAR-1900) { +X fprintf(stderr, +X ""%s: WARNING: this program applies to %d, which may differ from %d\n\n"", +X argv[0], RULE_YEAR, 1900+tm->tm_year); +X } +X +X /* +X * parse the command line args +X */ +X parse_args(argc, argv, &rname, &bname, &pname, &oname); +X +X /* +X * open/check the input and output files +X * +X * We open and truncate the output file first, in case it is the same +X * as one of the input files. +X */ +X output = open_output(oname); +X remark = open_remark(rname); +X build = open_build(bname); +X prog = open_program(pname); +X if (output==NULL || remark==NULL || build==NULL || prog==NULL) { +X exit(1); +X } +X +X /* +X * output each section +X */ +X output_entry(output, oname); +X output_remark(output, oname, remark, rname); +X output_author(output, oname); +X output_info(output, oname); +X output_build(output, oname, build, bname); +X output_program(output, oname, prog, pname); +X output_end(output, oname); +X +X /* +X * flush the output +X */ +X if (fflush(output) == EOF) { +X fprintf(stderr, ""%s: flush error in %s: "", program, oname); +X perror(""""); +X exit(2); +X } +X +X /* +X * final words +X */ +X printf(""\nYour entry can be found in %s. You should check this file\n"", +X oname); +X printf(""correct any problems and verify that the uudecode utility will\n""); +X printf(""correctly decode your build file and program.\n\n""); +X printf(""This program has been provided as a guide for submitters. In\n""); +X printf(""cases where it conflicts with the rules, the rules shall apply.\n""); +X printf(""It is your responsibility to ensure that your entry conforms to\n""); +X printf(""the current rules.\n\n""); +X printf(""Email your entries to:\n""); +X printf(""\t%s\n"", ENTRY_ADDR1); +X printf(""\t%s\n\n"", ENTRY_ADDR2); +X printf(""Please use the following subject when you Email your entry:\n""); +X printf(""\tioccc entry\n\n""); +X /* all done */ +X exit(0); +X} +X +X/* +X * parse_args - parse the command line args +X * +X * Given the command line args, this function parses them and sets the +X * required name flags. This function will return only if the command +X * line syntax is correct. +X */ +Xvoid +Xparse_args(argc, argv, rname, bname, pname, oname) +X int argc; /* arg count */ +X char **argv; /* the args */ +X char **rname; /* file with remarks about the entry */ +X char **bname; /* file containing how prog.c should be built */ +X char **pname; /* the obfuscated program source file */ +X char **oname; /* ioccc entry output file */ +X{ +X char *optarg; /* -flag option operand */ +X int flagname; /* the name of the -flag */ +X int i; +X +X /* +X * Not everyone has getopt, so we must parse args by hand. +X */ +X program = argv[0]; +X for (i=1; i < argc; ++i) { +X +X /* determine the flagname */ +X if (argv[i][0] != '-') { +X usage(1); +X /*NOTREACHED*/ +X } +X flagname = (int)argv[i][1]; +X +X /* determine the flag's operand */ +X if (flagname != '\0' && argv[i][2] != '\0') { +X optarg = &argv[i][2]; +X } else { +X if (i+1 >= argc) { +X usage(2); +X /*NOTREACHED*/ +X } else { +X optarg = argv[++i]; +X } +X } +X +X /* save the flag's operand in the correct global variable */ +X switch (flagname) { +X case 'r': +X *rname = optarg; +X break; +X case 'b': +X *bname = optarg; +X break; +X case 'p': +X *pname = optarg; +X break; +X case 'o': +X *oname = optarg; +X break; +X default: +X usage(3); +X /*NOTREACHED*/ +X } +X } +X +X /* +X * verify that we have all of the required flags +X */ +X if (*rname == NULL || *bname == NULL || *pname == NULL || *oname == NULL) { +X usage(4); +X /*NOTREACHED*/ +X } +X return; +X} +X +X/* +X * usage - print a usage message and exit +X * +X * This function does not return. +X */ +Xvoid +Xusage(exitval) +X int exitval; /* exit with this value */ +X{ +X fprintf(stderr, +X ""usage: %s -r remarks -b build -p prog.c -o ioccc.entry\n\n"", program); +X fprintf(stderr, ""\t-r remarks\tfile with remarks about the entry\n""); +X fprintf(stderr, ""\t-b build\tfile containing how prog.c should be built\n""); +X fprintf(stderr, ""\t-p prog.c\tthe obfuscated program source file\n""); +X fprintf(stderr, ""\t-o ioccc.entry\tioccc entry output file\n""); +X exit(exitval); +X} +X +X/* +X * open_remark - open/check the remark file +X * +X * The remark file should be indented by 4 spaces, and should not extend +X * beyond column MAX_COL. These are not requirements, so we only warn. +X * +X * This function returns NULL on I/O or format error. +X */ +XFILE * +Xopen_remark(filename) +X char *filename; +X{ +X FILE *stream; /* the opened file stream */ +X char buf[BUFSIZ+1]; /* input buffer */ +X int toolong=0; /* number of lines that are too long */ +X int non_indent=0; /* number of lines not indented by 4 spaces */ +X +X /* +X * open the remark input file +X */ +X stream = fopen(filename, ""r""); +X if (stream == NULL) { +X fprintf(stderr, ""%s: cannot open remark file: %s: "", +X program, filename); +X perror(""""); +X return(NULL); +X } +X +X /* +X * look at each line +X */ +X while (fgets(buf, BUFSIZ, stream) != NULL) { +X +X /* count lines that do not start with 4 spaces */ +X if (buf[0] != '\n' && strncmp(buf, "" "", 4) != 0) { +X ++non_indent; +X } +X +X /* count long lines */ +X if (col_len(buf) > MAX_COL) { +X /* found a line that is too long */ +X ++toolong; +X } +X } +X +X /* watch for I/O errors */ +X check_io(stream, filename, EOF_OK); +X +X /* note long lines if needed */ +X if (toolong > 0) { +X fprintf(stderr, +X ""%s: WARNING: %d line(s) from %s extend beyond the 80th column\n"", +X program, toolong, filename); +X fprintf(stderr, +X ""%s: This is ok, but it would be nice to avoid\n\n"", +X program); +X } +X +X /* note non-indented lines, if needed */ +X if (non_indent > 0) { +X fprintf(stderr, +X ""%s: WARNING: %d line(s) from %s are not indented by 4 spaces\n"", +X program, non_indent, filename); +X fprintf(stderr, +X ""%s: This is ok, but it would be nice to avoid\n\n"", +X program); +X } +X +X /* return the open file */ +X rewind(stream); +X return(stream); +X} +X +X/* +X * open_build - open/check the build file +X * +X * The how to build file must not be longer than MAX_BUILD_SIZE bytes. +X * +X * This function returns NULL on I/O or size error. +X */ +XFILE * +Xopen_build(filename) +X char *filename; +X{ +X FILE *stream; /* the opened file stream */ +X struct stat statbuf; /* the status of the open file */ +X +X /* +X * open the how to build input file +X */ +X stream = fopen(filename, ""r""); +X if (stream == NULL) { +X fprintf(stderr, ""%s: cannot open how to build file: %s: "", +X program, filename); +X perror(""""); +X return(NULL); +X } +X +X /* +X * determine the size of the file +X */ +X if (fstat(fileno(stream), &statbuf) < 0) { +X fprintf(stderr, ""%s: cannot stat how to build file: %s: "", +X program, filename); +X perror(""""); +X return(NULL); +X } +X if (statbuf.st_size > MAX_BUILD_SIZE) { +X fprintf(stderr, +X ""%s: FATAL: the how to build file: %s, is %d bytes long\n"", +X program, filename, statbuf.st_size); +X fprintf(stderr, +X ""%s: it may not be longer than %d bytes\n"", +X program, MAX_BUILD_SIZE); +X return(NULL); +X } +X +X /* return the open file */ +X return(stream); +X} +X +X/* +X * open_program - open/check the program source file +X * +X * The program source file must be <= 3217 bytes. The number of +X * non-whitespace and }{; chars not followed by whitespace must +X * be <= 1536 bytes. +X * +X * This function returns NULL on I/O or size error. +X */ +XFILE * +Xopen_program(filename) +X char *filename; +X{ +X FILE *stream; /* the opened file stream */ +X struct stat statbuf; /* the status of the open file */ +X int count; /* special count size */ +X int c; /* the character read */ +X +X /* +X * open the program source input file +X */ +X stream = fopen(filename, ""r""); +X if (stream == NULL) { +X fprintf(stderr, ""%s: cannot open program source file: %s: "", +X program, filename); +X perror(""""); +X exit(7); +X } +X +X /* +X * determine the size of the file +X */ +X if (fstat(fileno(stream), &statbuf) < 0) { +X fprintf(stderr, ""%s: cannot stat program source file: %s: "", +X program, filename); +X perror(""""); +X return(NULL); +X } +X if (statbuf.st_size > MAX_PROGRAM_SIZE) { +X fprintf(stderr, +X ""%s: FATAL: the program source file: %s, is %d bytes long\n"", +X program, filename, statbuf.st_size); +X fprintf(stderr, +X ""%s: it may not be longer than %d bytes\n"", +X program, MAX_PROGRAM_SIZE); +X return(NULL); +X } +X +X /* +X * count the non-whitespace, non {}; followed by whitespace chars +X */ +X count = 0; +X c = 0; +X while ((c=fgetc(stream)) != EOF) { +X /* look at non-whitespace */ +X if (!isascii(c) || !isspace(c)) { +X switch (c) { +X case '{': /* count if not followed by EOF or whitespace */ +X case '}': +X case ';': +X /* peek at next char */ +X c = fgetc(stream); +X if (c != EOF && isascii(c) && !isspace(c)) { +X /* not followed by whitespace or EOF, count it */ +X ungetc(c, stream); +X ++count; +X } +X break; +X default: +X ++count; +X break; +X } +X } +X } +X +X /* watch for I/O errors */ +X check_io(stream, filename, EOF_OK); +X +X /* look at the special size */ +X if (count > MAX_PROGRAM_SIZE2) { +X fprintf(stderr, +X ""%s: FATAL: the number of bytes that are non-whitespace, and\n"", +X program); +X fprintf(stderr, +X ""%s: that are not '{', '}', ';' followed by whitespace\n"", +X program); +X fprintf(stderr, +X ""%s: or EOF must be <= %d bytes\n"", +X program, MAX_PROGRAM_SIZE2); +X fprintf(stderr, +X ""%s: in %s, %d bytes were found\n"", +X program, filename, count); +X return(NULL); +X } +X +X /* return the open file */ +X rewind(stream); +X return(stream); +X} +X +X/* +X * open_output - open/check the entry output file +X * +X * This function returns NULL on open error. +X */ +XFILE * +Xopen_output(filename) +X char *filename; +X{ +X FILE *stream; /* the opened file stream */ +X +X /* +X * open the ioccc entry output file +X */ +X stream = fopen(filename, ""w""); +X if (stream == NULL) { +X fprintf(stderr, ""%s: cannot open ioccc entry file for output: %s: "", +X program, filename); +X perror(""""); +X exit(8); +X } +X +X /* return the open file */ +X return(stream); +X} +X +X/* +X * output_entry - output the ---entry--- section +X * +X * Read the needed information form stdin, and write the entry section. +X */ +Xvoid +Xoutput_entry(output, oname) +X FILE *output; /* entry's output file stream */ +X char *oname; /* name of the output file */ +X{ +X char title[MAX_TITLE_LEN+1+1]; /* the entry's title */ +X char buf[MAX_COL+1+1]; /* I/O buffer */ +X int entry=0; /* entry number */ +X int ret; /* fields processed by fscanf */ +X int ok_line=0; /* 0 => the line is not ok */ +X char skip; /* input to skip */ +X FILE *date_pipe; /* pipe to a date command */ +X time_t epoch_sec; /* seconds since the epoch */ +X char *p; +X +X /* +X * write the start of the section +X */ +X fprintf(output, ""---entry---\n""); +X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); +X +X /* +X * write the rule year +X */ +X fprintf(output, ""rule:\t%d\n"", RULE_YEAR); +X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); +X +X /* determine if this is a fix */ +X printf(""Is this a fix, update or resubmittion to a ""); +X printf(""previous entry (enter y or n)? ""); +X while (get_line(buf, 1+1, 0) <= 0 || !(buf[0]=='y' || buf[0]=='n')) { +X printf(""\nplease answer y or n: ""); +X } +X if (buf[0] == 'y') { +X fprintf(output, ""fix:\ty\n""); +X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); +X printf(""\nBe sure that the title and entry number that you give\n""); +X printf(""are the same of as the entry you are replacing\n""); +X } else { +X fprintf(output, ""fix:\tn\n""); +X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); +X } +X +X /* +X * write the title +X */ +X printf(""\nYour title must match expression be a [a-zA-Z0-9_=] character\n""); +X printf(""followed by 0 to %d more [a-zA-Z0-9_=+-] characters.\n\n"", +X MAX_TITLE_LEN-1); +X printf(""It is suggested, but not required, that the title should\n""); +X printf(""incorporate your username; in the\n""); +X printf(""case of multiple authors, consider using parts of the usernames\n""); +X printf(""of the authors.\n\n""); +X printf(""enter your title: ""); +X do { +X /* prompt and read a line */ +X if ((ok_line = get_line(title, MAX_TITLE_LEN+1, MAX_COL-9)) <= 0) { +X printf(""\ntitle is too long, please re-enter: ""); +X continue; +X } +X +X /* verify the pattern, not everyone has regexp, so do it by hand */ +X if (!isascii((int)title[0]) || +X !(isalnum((int)title[0]) || title[0] == '_' || title[0] == '=')) { +X printf(""\ninvalid first character in the title\n\n""); +X printf(""enter your title: ""); +X ok_line = 0; +X } else { +X for (p=(&title[1]); *p != '\0' && *p != '\n'; ++p) { +X if (!isascii((int)*p) || +X !(isalnum((int)*p) || +X *p == '_' || *p == '=' || *p == '+' || *p == '-')) { +X printf(""\ninvalid character in the title\n\n""); +X printf(""enter your title: ""); +X ok_line = 0; +X } +X } +X } +X } while (ok_line <= 0); +X fprintf(output, ""title:\t%s"", title); +X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); +X +X /* +X * write the entry number +X */ +X printf(""\nEach person may submit up to %d entries per year.\n\n"", +X MAX_ENTRY); +X printf(""enter an entry number from 0 to %d inclusive: "", MAX_ENTRY-1); +X do { +X /* get a valid input line */ +X fflush(stdout); +X ret = fscanf(stdin, ""%d[\n]"", &entry); +X check_io(stdin, ""stdin"", EOF_NOT_OK); +X /* skip over input until newline is found */ +X do { +X skip = fgetc(stdin); +X check_io(stdin, ""stdin"", EOF_NOT_OK); +X if (skip != '\n') { +X /* bad text in input, invalidate entry number */ +X entry = -1; +X } +X } while (skip != '\n'); +X +X /* check if we have a number, and if it is in range */ +X if (ret != 1 || entry < 0 || entry > MAX_ENTRY-1) { +X printf( +X ""\nThe entry number must be between 0 and %d inclusive\n\n"", +X MAX_ENTRY-1); +X printf(""enter the entry number: ""); +X } +X } while (ret != 1 || entry < 0 || entry > MAX_ENTRY-1); +X fprintf(output, ""entry:\t%d\n"", entry); +X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); +X +X /* +X * write the submission date +X */ +X /* returns a newline */ +X epoch_sec = time(NULL); +X fprintf(output, ""date:\t%s"", asctime(gmtime(&epoch_sec))); +X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); +X +X /* +X * write the OS/machine host information +X */ +X printf( +X ""\nEnter the machine(s) and OS(s) under which your entry was tested.\n""); +X output_till_dot(output, oname, ""host:""); +X} +X +X/* +X * output_remark - output the ---remark--- section +X * +X * Read the needed information form stdin, and write the entry section. +X */ +Xvoid +Xoutput_remark(output, oname, remark, rname) +X FILE *output; /* entry's output file stream */ +X char *oname; /* name of the output file */ +X FILE *remark; /* stream to the file containing remark text */ +X char *rname; /* name of the remark file */ +X{ +X char buf[BUFSIZ+1]; /* input/output buffer */ +X +X /* +X * write the start of the section +X */ +X fprintf(output, ""---remark---\n""); +X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); +X +X /* +X * copy the remark file to the section +X */ +X while (fgets(buf, BUFSIZ, remark) != NULL) { +X fputs(buf, output); +X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); +X } +X check_io(remark, rname, EOF_OK); +X +X /* be sure that the remark section ends with a newline */ +X if (buf[strlen(buf)-1] != '\n') { +X fputc('\n', output); +X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); +X } +X} +X +X/* +X * output_author - output the ---author--- section +X * +X * Read the needed information from stdin, and write the author section. +X * If multiple authors exist, multiple author sections will be written. +X */ +Xvoid +Xoutput_author(output, oname) +X FILE *output; /* entry's output file stream */ +X char *oname; /* name of the output file */ +X{ +X char buf[MAX_COL+1+1]; /* I/O buffer */ +X int more_auths; /* TRUE => more authors to note */ +X int auth_cnt=0; /* number of authors processed */ +X +X /* +X * prompt the user for the author section +X */ +X printf(""\nEnter information about each author. If your entry is after\n""); +X printf(""%s and before the contest deadline, the judges\n"", START_DATE); +X printf(""will attempt to Email back a confirmation to the first author\n""); +X +X /* +X * place author information for each author in an individual section +X */ +X do { +X +X /* write the start of the section */ +X fprintf(output, ""---author---\n""); +X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); +X +X /* write the author */ +X printf(""\nAuthor #%d name: "", ++auth_cnt); +X while (get_line(buf, MAX_COL+1, MAX_COL-9) <= 0) { +X printf(""\nname too long, please re-enter: ""); +X } +X fprintf(output, ""name:\t%s"", buf); +X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); +X +X /* write the organization */ +X printf(""\nEnter the School/Company/Organization of author #%d\n"", +X auth_cnt); +X printf(""\nAuthor #%d org: "", auth_cnt); +X while (get_line(buf, MAX_COL+1, MAX_COL-9) <= 0) { +X printf(""\nline too long, please re-enter: ""); +X } +X fprintf(output, ""org:\t%s"", buf); +X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); +X +X /* write the address */ +X printf( +X ""\nEnter the postal address for author #%d. Be sure to include\n"", +X auth_cnt); +X printf(""your country and do not include your name.\n""); +X output_till_dot(output, oname, ""addr:""); +X +X /* write the Email address */ +X printf( +X ""\nEnter the Email address for author #%d. Use an address from\n"", +X auth_cnt); +X printf( +X ""a registered domain or well known site. If you give several\n""); +X printf(""forms, list them one per line.\n""); +X output_till_dot(output, oname, ""email:""); +X +X /* write the anonymous status */ +X printf(""\nShould author #%d remain anonymous (enter y or n)? "", +X auth_cnt); +X while (get_line(buf, 1+1, 0) <= 0 || !(buf[0]=='y' || buf[0]=='n')) { +X printf(""\nplease answer y or n: ""); +X } +X fprintf(output, ""anon:\t%s"", buf); +X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); +X +X /* determine if there is another author */ +X printf(""\nIs there another author (enter y or n)? ""); +X while (get_line(buf, 1+1, 0) <= 0 || !(buf[0]=='y' || buf[0]=='n')) { +X printf(""\nplease answer y or n: ""); +X } +X if (buf[0] == 'y') { +X more_auths = TRUE; +X } else { +X more_auths = FALSE; +X } +X } while (more_auths == TRUE); +X return; +X} +X +X/* +X * output_info - output the ---info--- section(s) +X * +X * Read the needed information from stdin, and write the info section. +X * If multiple info files exist, multiple info sections will be written. +X */ +Xvoid +Xoutput_info(output, oname) +X FILE *output; /* entry's output file stream */ +X char *oname; /* name of the output file */ +X{ +X char infoname[MAX_FILE_LEN+1]; /* filename buffer */ +X char yorn[1+1]; /* y or n answer */ +X char *uuname; /* name to uuencode as */ +X FILE *infile; /* info file stream */ +X +X /* +X * prompt the user for info information +X */ +X printf(""\nInfo files should be used only to supplement your entry.\n""); +X printf(""For example, info files may provide sample input or detailed\n""); +X printf(""information about your entry. Because they are supplemental,\n""); +X printf(""the entry should not require them to exist.\n\n""); +X +X /* +X * while there is another info file to save, uuencode it +X */ +X printf(""Do you have a info file to include (enter y or n)? ""); +X while (get_line(yorn, 1+1, 0) <= 0 || !(yorn[0]=='y' || yorn[0]=='n')) { +X printf(""\nplease answer y or n: ""); +X } +X while (yorn[0] == 'y') { +X +X /* read the filename */ +X printf(""\nEnter the info filename: ""); +X while (get_line(infoname, MAX_FILE_LEN+1, 0) <= 0) { +X printf(""\nInfo filename too long, please re-enter: ""); +X } +X +X /* compute the basename of the info filename */ +X /* remove the trailing newline */ +X uuname = &infoname[strlen(infoname)-1]; +X *uuname = '\0'; +X /* avoid rindex/shrrchr compat issues, do it by hand */ +X for (--uuname; uuname > infoname; --uuname) { +X if (*uuname == '/') { +X ++uuname; +X break; +X } +X } +X +X /* attempt to open the info file */ +X infile = fopen(infoname, ""r""); +X if (infile == NULL) { +X fprintf(stderr, ""\n%s: cannot open info file: %s: "", +X program, infoname); +X perror(""""); +X continue; +X } +X +X /* +X * write the start of the section +X */ +X fprintf(output, ""---info---\n""); +X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); +X +X /* uuencode the info file */ +X uuencode(output, oname, infile, infoname, UUINFO_MODE, uuname); +X +X printf(""\nDo you have another info file to include (enter y or n)? ""); +X while (get_line(yorn, 1+1, 0) <= 0 || !(yorn[0]=='y' || yorn[0]=='n')) { +X printf(""\nplease answer y or n: ""); +X } +X }; +X return; +X} +X +X/* +X * output_build - output the ---build--- section +X * +X * Read the needed information from stdin, and write the build section. +X */ +Xvoid +Xoutput_build(output, oname, build, bname) +X FILE *output; /* entry's output file stream */ +X char *oname; /* name of the output file */ +X FILE *build; /* open build file stream */ +X char *bname; /* name of the build file */ +X{ +X /* +X * write the start of the section +X */ +X fprintf(output, ""---build---\n""); +X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); +X +X /* +X * uuencode the program file +X */ +X uuencode(output, oname, build, bname, UUBUILD_MODE, UUBUILD_NAME); +X return; +X} +X +X/* +X * output_program - output the ---program--- section +X * +X * Read the needed information form stdin, and write the program section. +X */ +Xvoid +Xoutput_program(output, oname, prog, pname) +X FILE *output; /* entry's output file stream */ +X char *oname; /* name of the output file */ +X FILE *prog; /* open program stream */ +X char *pname; /* name of program file */ +X{ +X /* +X * write the start of the section +X */ +X fprintf(output, ""---program---\n""); +X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); +X +X /* +X * uuencode the program file +X */ +X uuencode(output, oname, prog, pname, UUPROG_MODE, UUPROG_NAME); +X return; +X} +X +X/* +X * output_end - output the ---end--- section +X * +X * Read the needed information form stdin, and write the 'end section'. +X */ +Xvoid +Xoutput_end(output, oname) +X FILE *output; /* entry's output file stream */ +X char *oname; /* name of the output file */ +X{ +X /* +X * write the final section terminator +X */ +X fprintf(output, ""---end---\n""); +X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); +X return; +X} +X +X/* +X * get_line - get an answer from stdin +X * +X * This function will flush stdout, in case a prompt is pending, and +X * read in the answer. +X * +X * This function returns 0 if the line is too long, of the length of the +X * line (including the newline) of the line was ok. This function does +X * not return if ERROR or EOF. +X */ +Xint +Xget_line(buf, siz, maxcol) +X char *buf; /* input buffer */ +X int siz; /* length of input, including the newline */ +X int maxcol; /* max col allowed, 0 => disable check */ +X{ +X int length; /* the length of the input line */ +X +X /* flush terminal output */ +X fflush(stdout); +X +X /* read the line */ +X if (fgets(buf, siz+1, stdin) == NULL) { +X /* report the problem */ +X check_io(stdin, ""stdin"", EOF_NOT_OK); +X } +X +X /* look for the newline */ +X length = strlen(buf); +X if (buf[length-1] != '\n') { +X int eatchar; /* the char being eaten */ +X +X /* no newline found, line must be too long, eat the rest of the line */ +X do { +X eatchar = fgetc(stdin); +X } while (eatchar != EOF && eatchar != '\n'); +X check_io(stdin, ""stdin"", EOF_NOT_OK); +X +X /* report the situation */ +X return 0; +X } +X +X /* watch for long lines, if needed */ +X if (maxcol > 0 && (length > maxcol || col_len(buf) > maxcol)) { +X /* report the situation */ +X return 0; +X } +X +X /* return length */ +X return length; +X} +X +X/* +X * output_till_dot - output a set of lines until '.' by itself is read +X * +X * This routine will read a set of lines until (but not including) +X * a single line with '.' is read. The format of the output is: +X * +X * leader:\tfirst line +X * \tnext line +X * \tnext line +X * ... +X * +X * This routine will not return if I/O error or EOF. +X */ +Xvoid +Xoutput_till_dot(output, oname, leader) +X FILE *output; /* entry's output file stream */ +X char *oname; /* name of the output file */ +X char *leader; /* the lead text for the first line */ +X{ +X char buf[BUFSIZ+1]; /* input buffer */ +X int count; /* lines read */ +X int done=FALSE; /* TRUE => finished reading input */ +X +X /* instruct the user on how to input */ +X printf(""\nTo end input, enter a line with a single period.\n""); +X +X /* read lines until '.' or EOF */ +X count = 0; +X while (!done) { +X /* issue the prompt */ +X printf(""%s\t"", (count>0) ? """" : leader); +X fflush(stdout); +X +X /* get the line */ +X if (get_line(buf, BUFSIZ, MAX_COL-9) <= 0) { +X printf(""\nline too long, please re-enter:\n\t""); +X continue; +X } +X +X /* note if '.' was read */ +X if (strcmp(buf, "".\n"") == 0) { +X done = TRUE; +X } +X +X /* write line if we read something */ +X if (!done) { +X fprintf(output, ""%s\t%s"", (count++>0) ? """" : leader, buf); +X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); +X } +X } +X +X /* if no lines read, at least output something */ +X if (count <= 0) { +X fprintf(output, ""%s\t.\n"", leader); +X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); +X } +X return; +X} +X +X/* +X * col_len - determine the highest that a string would reach +X * +X * Given a string, this routine returns that a string would reach +X * if the string were printed at column 1. Tab stops are assumed +X * to start at 9, 17, 25, 33, ... +X */ +Xint +Xcol_len(string) +X char *string; /* the string to examine */ +X{ +X int col; /* current column */ +X char *p; /* current char */ +X +X /* scan the string */ +X for (col=0, p=string; *p != '\0' && *p != '\n'; ++p) { +X /* note the column shift */ +X col = (*p=='\t') ? 1+((col+8)/8*8) : col+1; +X } +X if (*p == '\n') { +X --col; +X } +X +X /* return the highest column */ +X return col; +X} +X +X/* +X * check_io - check for EOF or I/O error on a stream +X * +X * Does not return if EOF or I/O error. +X */ +Xvoid +Xcheck_io(stream, name, eof_ok) +X FILE *stream; /* the stream to check */ +X char *name; /* the name of this stream */ +X int eof_ok; /* EOF_OK or EOF_NOT_OK */ +X{ +X /* test for I/O error */ +X if (ferror(stream)) { +X fprintf(stderr, ""%s: error on %s: "", program, name); +X perror(""""); +X exit(1); +X +X /* test for EOF */ +X } else if (eof_ok == EOF_NOT_OK && feof(stream)) { +X fprintf(stderr, ""%s: EOF on %s\n"", program, name); +X exit(1); +X } +X return; +X} +X +X/* +X * uuencode - uuencode a file +X * +X * Perform the uuencoding process identical to the process performed +X * by the uuencode(1) utility. +X * +X * This routine implements the algorithm described in the uuencode(5) +X * 4.3BSD Reno man page. +X */ +Xvoid +Xuuencode(output, oname, infile, iname, umode, uname) +X FILE *output; /* output file stream */ +X char *oname; /* output filename */ +X FILE *infile; /* input file stream */ +X char *iname; /* input filename */ +X int umode; /* the mode to put on the uuencode file */ +X char *uname; /* name to put on the uuencode file */ +X{ +X char buf[UUENCODE_LEN+1]; /* the uuencode buffer */ +X int read_len; /* actual number of chars read */ +X int val; /* 6 bit chunk from buf */ +X char filler='\0'; /* filler uuencode pad text */ +X char *p; +X +X /* +X * output the initial uuencode header +X */ +X fprintf(output, ""begin %o %s\n"", umode, uname); +X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); +X +X /* +X * clear out the input buffer +X */ +X for (p=buf; p < &buf[sizeof(buf)/sizeof(buf[0])]; ++p) { +X *p = '\0'; +X } +X +X /* +X * We will process UUENCODE_LEN chars at a time, forming +X * a single output line each time. +X */ +X while ((read_len=fread(buf,sizeof(buf[0]),UUENCODE_LEN,infile)) > 0) { +X +X /* +X * the first character is the length character +X */ +X fputc(UUENCODE(read_len), output); +X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); +X +X /* +X * We will convert 24 bits at a time. Thus we will convert +X * 3 sets of 8 bits into 4 sets of uuencoded 6 bits. +X */ +X for (p=buf; read_len>0; read_len-=3, p+=3) { +X +X /* bits 0 to 5 */ +X val = (p[0]>>2)&0x3f; +X fputc(UUENCODE(val), output); +X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); +X +X /* bits 6 to 11 */ +X val = ((p[0]<<4)&0x30) | ((p[1]>>4)&0x0f); +X fputc(UUENCODE(val), output); +X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); +X +X /* bits 12 to 17 */ +X val = ((p[1]<<2)&0x3c) | ((p[2]>>6)&0x03); +X fputc(UUENCODE(val), output); +X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); +X +X /* bits 18 to 23 */ +X val = p[2]&0x3f; +X fputc(UUENCODE(val), output); +X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); +X } +X +X /* end of UUENCODE_LEN line */ +X fputc('\n', output); +X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); +X +X /* +X * clear out the input buffer (don't depend on bzero() or memset()) +X */ +X for (p=buf; p < &buf[sizeof(buf)/sizeof(buf[0])]; ++p) { +X *p = '\0'; +X } +X } +X +X /* check the last read on the input file */ +X check_io(infile, iname, EOF_OK); +X +X /* write end of uuencode file */ +X fprintf(output, ""%c\nend\n"", UUENCODE(filler)); +X check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK); +X} +SHAR_EOF +chmod 0444 mkentry.c || +echo ""restore of mkentry.c failed"" +set `wc -c mkentry.c`;Wc_c=$1 +if test ""$Wc_c"" != ""33961""; then + echo original size 33961, current size $Wc_c +fi +# ============= obfuscate.info ============== +echo ""x - extracting obfuscate.info (Text)"" +sed 's/^X//' << 'SHAR_EOF' > obfuscate.info && +X1993 Obfuscated contest information +X +XCopyright (c) Landon Curt Noll & Larry Bassel, 1993. +XAll Rights Reserved. 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To confuse: Their emotions obfuscated +X their judgment. [LLat. obfuscare, to darken : ob(intensive) + +X Lat. fuscare, to darken < fuscus, dark.] -obfuscation n. +X obfuscatory adj. +X +X GOALS OF THE CONTEST: +X +X * To write the most Obscure/Obfuscated C program under the rules below. +X * To show the importance of programming style, in an ironic way. +X * To stress C compilers with unusual code. +X * To illustrate some of the subtleties of the C language. +X * To provide a safe forum for poor C code. :-) +X +X The IOCCC is the grandfather of USENET programming contests. Since +X 1984, this contest demonstrated that a program that mearly works +X correctly is not sufficient. The IOCCC has also done much to add +X the arcane word 'obfuscated' back into the English language. +X (see ""The New Hacker's Dictionary"" by Eric Raymond) +X +X You are strongly encouraged to read the new contest rules before +X sending any entries. The rules, and sometimes the contest Email +X address itself, change over time. A valid entry one year may +X be rejected in a later year due to changes in the rules. The typical +X start date for contests is in early March. Contest rules are normally not +X finalized and posted until the beginning of the contest. The typical +X closing date for contests are in early May. +X +X The contest rules are posted to comp.unix.wizards, comp.lang.c, +X misc.misc, alt.sources and comp.sources.d. If you do not have access +X to these groups, or if you missed the early March posting, you may +X request a copy from the judges, via Email, at; +X +X judges@toad.com -or- ...!{sun,uunet,utzoo,pyramid}!hoptoad!judges +X +X Previous contest winners are available via anonymous ftp from +X ftp.uu.net under the directory /pub/ioccc. +X +X--------------------------------------------------------------------------- +X +X 0th International Obfuscated Perl Contest +X By: Landon Noll & Larry Wall +X +X This content is being planned. Someday when Landon & Larry are not too +X busy, they will actually get around to posting the first set of rules! +X +X Landon says: ""Yes, I know that I said we would have a contest in 1993, +X but other existing projects got in the way. Hopefully +X something will be developed after Nov 1993."" +X +X--------------------------------------------------------------------------- +X +X 2nd International obFUsCaTeD POsTsCripT Contest +X Jonathan Monsarrat (jgm@cs.brown.edu) +X Alena Lacova (alena@nikhef.nl) +X +X A contest of programming skills and knowledge, exclusively for the +X PostScript programming language. Its purpose: +X +X * To spread knowledge of PostScript and its details. +X * To applaud those with the best tricks. +X * To prove that humans can beat those damnable machine generators at +X their own game by writing the most obscure and mysterious PostScript +X programs ever. +X +X Winners will receive the fame and attention that goes with having their +X program entry posted as a winner to programmers world-wide. +X +X The 1993 contest rules and results are available by ftp as +X ``wilma.cs.brown.edu:pub/postscript/obfuscated*.shar'', or individually +X in the obfuscated directory. The judges will post the 1994 rules +X in November to comp.lang.postscript on Usenet, and other places. +X Send questions to jgm@cs.brown.edu. +X +X Categories include: Best Obfuscated PostScript, Best Artwork, +X Most Compact, Best Interactive Program, Most Useful, and +X anything so unusual and creative that it deserves an award. +X +X The judges will choose the winners of each category. +X +X Alena Lacova is a system administrator at NIKHEF (Institute for High +X Energy and Nuclear Physics) in the Netherlands. She is the author of +X The PostScript Chaos Programs, which draw Julia sets, Mandelbrot sets +X and other kinds of fractal functions. +X +X Jonathan Monsarrat is a graduate student from MIT and Brown University +X in the U.S.A. He is the FAQ maintainer for the Usenet newsgroup +X comp.lang.postscript and the author of The PostScript Zone and LameTeX. +X . +X +SHAR_EOF +chmod 0444 obfuscate.info || +echo ""restore of obfuscate.info failed"" +set `wc -c obfuscate.info`;Wc_c=$1 +if test ""$Wc_c"" != ""6257""; then + echo original size 6257, current size $Wc_c +fi +exit 0 +-- +Sunnyvale residents: Vote Landon Noll for Sunnyvale City Council seat 1. +";12;True +"From: grady@netcom.com (1016/2EF221) +Subject: Re: The [secret] source of that announcement +Organization: capriccioso +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] +Lines: 35 + +I guess the cryptowranglers read this group too. But of +course I knew that because it is so easy to do. There is +not a single doubt in my mind that every byte that passes +every significant gateway or 'bone is captured for the +colligation of data about __________? (Maybe your name is here). + +Maybe we should start a newsgroup for the distribution of encrypted +posts intended of members of affinity groups with a shared private +key. For example at the coming up Cypherpunks meeting, a private +key corresponding to that particular meeting could be passed out +by a moderator. Minutes, followup comments to other participants, +and so on could be posted to the alt.encrypted group for the use +of the people who attended. Communiques intended by the group for +non-attendees could of course just be signed using the private key +but otherwises not encrypted. + +Starting a alt.encrypted newsgroup rather than just maintaining +mailing lists is better for several reasons. First, it would be +easier to archive for people who might join a group ""late"" and +who might like to easily read earlier posts; second, traffic analysis +to know exactly to whom an affinity message is directed would be foiled; +three, a newsgroup is much more public and would serve to publicize +available privacy measures on the internet. + +And it would be fun to accumulate a secret keyring full of such +keys -- it beats giving out t-shirts as a door prize. + +We could send a copy of alt.encrypted directly to Judge William +Sessions or Admiral Studeman to save them the time of having it +collected for them. + + +-- +grady@netcom.com 2EF221 / 15 E2 AD D3 D1 C6 F3 FC 58 AC F7 3D 4F 01 1E 2F + +";16;True +"From: lady@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Lee Lady) +Subject: Re: Science and methodology (was: Homeopathy ... tradition?) +Summary: Science is not mere methodology. +Organization: University of Hawaii (Mathematics Dept) +Expires: Sat, 1 May 1993 10:00:00 GMT +Lines: 85 + +In article turpin@cs.utexas.edu (Russell Turpin) writes: +>-*----- +>I wrote: +>>> ... Or, to use a phrasing that I think is more accurate, science +>>> is the investigation of phenomena that avoids methods and reasoning +>>> that are known to be erroneous from past foul-ups. +> +>In article bd@psych.psy.uq.oz.au writes: +>> I can agree with this if you are talking about the less fundamental +>> aspects of scientific method. ... +> ... +>> ... In fact, I don't see the alternative, as I don't think that the +>> fundamentals are capable of experimental investigation. In saying +>> this I am agreeing with the work of people like Kuhn (1970), +>> Feyerabend (1981) and Lakatos (1972). +> .... +>While methodology cannot be subject to the same kind of ""experimental +>investigation,"" as that to which it is applied, it *can* be critically +>appraised. Methodologies can be compared to each other, sometimes by +>the conflicting results they produce. This kind of critical appraisal +>and comparison, together with the inappropriateness of existing +>methodologies for new fields of study, is what drives the evolution of +>methodologies and how we think about them. + +As usual, you are missing the whole point, Russell, because you are not +willing to even consider questionning your basic article of faith, which +is that science is merely a matter of methodology and that the highest +purpose of science is to avoid making mistakes. + +This is like saying that the most important aspect of business management +is accurate bookkeeping. + +If science were no more than methodology and not making mistakes, it +would be a poor thing indeed. What was the methodology of Darwin? What +was the methodology of Einstein? What was, for that matter, the +methodology of Jenner and Pasteur? + + +In an earlier article, Russell Turpin writes: + +>None of the foregoing should be read as meaning that we should +>open the door to practitioners of quackery and psuedo-science. +>Modern advocates of homeopathy, chiropracty, and traditional +>Chinese medicine receive little respect because, for the most +>part, they use methods and reasoning that the kind of research +>Lee Lady recommends has shown to be terribly faulty. (This does +>*not* imply that all their treatments are ineffective. It *does* +>imply that those who rely on faulty methodology and reasoning are +>incapable of discovering *which* treatments are effective and +>which are not.) + +First of all, I think you are arguing against a straw man, because I +don't think that anyone here is arguing that quackery, pseudo-science, +homeopathy, chiropracty, and traditional Chinese medicine should be +accepted as science. I, in particular, think the basic ideas of +homeopathy and chiropracty seem extremely flaky. + +What some of us do believe, however, is that some of these things +(including some of the flaky ideas) are deserving of serious scientific +attention. + +If in fact it were true, as you have stated above, that those who do not +use the currently fashionable methodology can have no idea what is +effective and what is not, then science today would not exist. For all +of current science is based on the past work of scientists whose +methodology, by current standards, was seriously flawed. + +It is certainly true that as methodology improves, we need to re-examine +those results derived in the past using less perfect methodologies. It is +also true that the results obtained by people today who still rely on +those early methodologies needs to be re-examined in a more rigorous +fashion by those qualified to do so credibly. + +But to say that nobody who fails to do elaborate double-blind studies is +capable of knowing their ass from a hole in the ground and to say that no +ideas that come from outside the scientific establishment could possibly +be worthy of serious investigation ... this truly marks one's attitude as +doctrinaire, cultist. This attitude is not compatible with a belief in +reason. + +-- +In the arguments between behaviorists and cognitivists, psychology seems +less like a science than a collection of competing religious sects. + +lady@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu lady@uhunix.bitnet +";4;True +"From: larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder) +Subject: Dell 2.2 EISA Video Cards +Organization: GatorNet, Lake Mary, Florida +Lines: 4 + +Does XFree86 support any EISA video cards under Dell 2.2? +-- +Larry Snyder +larry@gator.rn.com +";12;True +"From: shah@pitt.edu (Ravindra S Shah) +Subject: Re: ABC coverage +Distribution: usa +Lines: 28 +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] + +Joseph B Stiehm (joe13+@pitt.edu) wrote: + + +: I have one complaint for the cameramen doing the Jersey-Pitt series: Show +: the shots, not the hits. On more than one occassion the camera zoomed in +: on a check along the boards while the puck was in the slot. They panned +: back to show the rebound. Maybe Mom's camera people were a little more +: experienced. + + + +: Joseph Stiehm + +Exactly. That is my biggest complaint about the coverage so far. +Follow that damn puck! + + + + +-- +Ravi Shah +shah+@pitt.edu + +""La mu'sica ideas portara' approx. translation: ""Music will bring ideas +y siempre continuara' and will continue forever +sonido electro'nico electronic sound +decibel sinte'tico"" -Musique non stop- synthetic decibel"" + -Kraftwerk +";13;True +"From: qtm2w@virginia.edu (Quinn T. McCord) +Subject: Seven castaways w. Gilligan=Seven Deadly Sins +Organization: University of Virginia +Lines: 7 + +Gilligan = Sloth +Skipper = Anger +Thurston Howell III = Greed +Lovey Howell = Gluttony +Ginger = Lust +Professor = Pride +Mary Ann = Envy +";17;True +"From: HADCRJAM@admin.uh.edu (MILLER, JIMMY A.) +Subject: Re: BATF/FBI Murders Almost Everyone in Waco Today! 4/19 +Organization: University of Houston Administrative Computing +Lines: 37 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: uhad2.admin.uh.edu +X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24 +In-Reply-To: jmd@cube.handheld.com's message of 20 Apr 1993 12:34:13 GMT + +In <1r0qk5INNc5m@clem.handheld.com> jmd@cube.handheld.com writes: + +> In article roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) +> writes: +> > I balance my gut reaction to question authority together with the +> > independent facts as I see them on video. I usually adopt the +> > scenario that is simplest and most plausible. I do not generally +> > believe in conspiracy theories that involve complicated and unlikely +> > scenarios. +> > +> Then answer the question: Why was NO ONE ELSE permitted to talk to Koresh, + + Koresh had a lawyer, Deguin(?) who he spoke to in person several times during +the last few weeks. + +> It cannot be denied that if they had left them alone, there would have been +>no fire yesterday. + + This strikes me as a tad ingenous. ""If X had done/note done Y, then Z would +never have happened."" I tend to place tha responsibility on the group/person +actually committing the act, not on those whon ""forced them to do it"". + + After all, to take an extreme example, if the British were not in Northern +Ireland, the IRA would not be forced to place bombs in shopping centers. + + That said, this whole sorry story was a totally unecessary, utterly fucked +up mess from the get go. + +semper fi, + +Jammer Jim Miller +Texas A&M University '89 and '91 +________________________________________________________________________________ + I don't speak for UH, which is too bad, because they could use the help. +""Become one with the Student Billing System. *BE* the Student Billing System."" + ""Power finds its way to those who take a stand. Stand up, Ordinary Man."" + ---Rik Emmet, Gil Moore, Mike Levine: Triumph +";3;True +"From: 2a42dubinski@vms.csd.mu.edu +Subject: Re: Can I Change ""Licensed To"" Data in Windows 3.1? +Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services +Lines: 19 +Reply-To: 2a42dubinski@vms.csd.mu.edu +NNTP-Posting-Host: vmsd.csd.mu.edu + +In article <1993Apr15.180633.3437@trintex.uucp>, charles@tinman.dev.prodigy.com () writes: +>Have you tried re-installing the software? Otherwise I would be dubious about +>simple ways to change that screen. Is it not designed to be an embarassment to +>would be pirates? +> + + ahh, yes, this is a fun topic. No, once the name is incribed on the +disk, that is it, it is encoded. Not even a HEX editor will find it. You can +write over the ""Licensed to:"", but you can't change the name underneth it. I +think if you wish to change this you would have to be a pirate, and we're not +going to promote that here. + + ------------------------------------------------------------------------ + | Robert S. Dubinski | Aliases include: Robb, Regal, Sir, Mr., and I | + ------------------------------------------------------------------------ + | Marquette University ||||||||||| Math / Computer Science Double-Major| + ------------------------------------------------------------------------ + | Internet Address: 2A42Dubinski.vms.csd.mu.edu | Milwaukee, WI | + ------------------------------------------------------------------------ +";6;True +"Subject: Re: ""lds"" Rick's reply +From: +Organization: Brigham Young University +Lines: 159 + + +Robert Weiss (psyrobtw@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu) writes: + +#Rick Anderson replied to my letter with... +# +#ra> In article , +#ra> psyrobtw@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Robert Weiss) says: +#ra> + +(...) + +# Just briefly, on something that you mentioned in passing. You refer to +# differing interpretations of ""create,"" and say that many Christians may +# not agree. So what? That is really irrelevant. We do not base our faith +# on how many people think one way or another, do we? The bottom line is +# truth, regardless of popularity of opinions. + +It may be ""irrelevant"" to you and *your* personal beliefs (or should I say +""bias""?), but it is relevant to me and many others. You're right, ""the +bottom line IS truth,"" independant from you or anyone else. Since you +proclaim ""truths"" as a self-proclaimed appointee, may I ask you by what +authority you do this? Because ""it says so in the Bible?"" --Does the +Bible ""say so,"" or is it YOU, or someone else, who interprets whether a +scripture or doctrine conforms to your particular liking or ""disapproval""? + +Excuse moi, but your line of ""truths"" haven't moved me one bit to persuade +me that my beliefs are erroneous. Of all the ""preachers"" of ""truth"" on +this net, you have struck me as a self-righteous member of the wrecking +crew, with no positive message to me or other latter-day saints whatsoever. +BTW, this entire discussion reminds me a lot of the things said by Jesus +to the pharisees: ""ye hypocrite(s) . . . ye preach about me with your lips, +but your hearts are far removed from me..."" + +# Also, I find it rather strange that in trying to persuade that created +# and eternally existent are equivalent, you say ""granted the Mormon +# belief..."" You can't grant your conclusion and then expect the point to +# have been addressed. In order to reply to the issue, you have to address +# and answer the point that was raised, and not just jump to the +# conclusion that you grant. + +Sophistry. Look who's talking: ""jumping to conclusions?"" You wouldn't do +that yourself, right? All YOU address is your own convictions, regardless +whether we come up with any Biblical scriptures which supports our points +of view, because you reject such interpretations without any consideration +whatsoever. + +# +# The Bible states that Lucifer was created. The Bible states that Jesus +# is the creator of all. The contradiction that we have is that the LDS +# belief is that Jesus and Lucifer were the same. + +A beautiful example of disinformation and a deliberate misrepresentation +of lds doctrine. The former KGB would have loved to employ you. +Jesus and lucifer are not ""the same,"" silly, and you know it. + +(...) + +# The Mormon belief is that all are children of God. Literally. There is +# nothing symbolic about it. This however, contradicts what the Bible +# says. The Bible teaches that not everyone is a child of God: + +Correction: it may contradict would YOU think the Bible says. The Bible +indeed does teach that not all are children of God in the sense that they +""belong to"" or follow God in His footsteps. Satan and his followers have +rebelled against God, and are not ""children (=followers/redeemed) of God,"" +but it doesn't mean that they were not once created by God, but chose to +separate themselves from those who chose to follow God and His plan of +salvation. + +# +# The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the +# kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked ""one""; +# (Matthew 13:38) + +So? --This illustrates nicely what I just said: the children of the +kingdom are those who have remained valiant in their testimony of Jesus +(and have shown ""works of repentance, etc.), and the children of the +wicked one are those who rebelled against God and the lamb. The issue +of satan's spirit-offspring (and those who followed him) has not been +addressed in this and other verses you copied from your Bible. You +purposefully obscured the subject by swamping your ""right"" with non- +related scriptures. + +(...lots of nice scriptures deleted (NOT Robert W. copyrighted) though...) + +#ra> > We are told that, ""And this is life eternal, that they might know +#ra> > thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent."" +#ra> > (John 17:3). Life eternal is to know the only true God. Yet the +#ra> > doctrines of the LDS that I have mentioned portray a vastly +#ra> > different Jesus, a Jesus that cannot be reconciled with the Jesus of +#ra> > the Bible. They are so far removed from each other that to proclaim + +Correction: ""my"" Jesus is indeed different than your Jesus, and CAN be +reconciled with the Jesus in the Bible. --Not your interpretation of Him, +I concur, but I honestly couldn't care less. + +#ra> > one as being true denies the other from being true. According to the +#ra> > Bible, eternal life is dependent on knowing the only true God, and +#ra> > not the construct of imagination. + +In this single posting of yours, I've seen more ""constructs of imagination"" +than in all of the pro-lds mails combined I have read so far in this news +group. First get your lds-facts straight before you dare preaching to us +about ""the only true God,"" whom you interpret according to your own likes +and dislikes, but whose image I cannot reconcile with what I know about +Him myself. I guess your grandiose self-image does not allow for other +faiths, believing in the divinity of Jesus Christ, but in a different +way or fashion than your own. Not that it really matters, the mission +and progress of the lds church will go on, boldly and nobly, and no mob +or opponent can stop the work from progressing, until it has visited +every continent, swept every clime, and sounded in every ear. + +# This is really a red herring. It doesn't address any issue raised, but +# rather, it seeks to obfuscate. The fact that some groups try to read +# something into the Bible, doesn't change what the Bible teaches. + +Sigh. ""What the Bible teaches""? Or: ""what the bible teaches according to +Robert Weiss and co.?"" I respect the former, I reject the latter without +the remotest feeling that I have rejected Jesus. On the contrary. And by +the way, I do respect your interpretations of the Bible, I even grant you +being a Christian (following your own image of Him), as much as I am a +Christian (following my own image of Him in my heart). + +(...) + +# Most of the other replies have instead hop-scotched to the issue of +# Bruce McConkie and whether his views were 'official doctrine.' I don't +# think that it matters if McConkie's views were canon. That is not the +# issue. Were McConkie's writings indicative of Mormon belief on this +# subject is the real issue. The indication from Rick is that they may +# certainly be. + +The issue is, of course, that you love to use anything to either mis- +represent or ridicule the lds church. The issue of ""official doctrine"" +is obviously very important. McConkie's views have been controversial +(e.g. ""The Seven Deadly Heresies"" has made me a heretic! ;-) at best, +or erroneous at worst (""blacks not to receive the priesthood in this +dispensation""). I respect him as someone who has made his valuable +contribution to the church, but I personally do NOT rely on his personal +interpretations (his book ""Mormon Doctrine"" is oftentimes referred to +as ""McConkie's Bible"" in mormon circles) on mormon doctrine. I rather +look to official (doctrinal) sources, and... to Hugh Nibley's books! +(The last comment is an lds-insider reference.) Summarizing: McConkie +was a wise man who contributed undoubtedly far more to the kingdom of +God than I have, but whose views are by no means dogma or accepted +doctrine, some of it clearly belongs to personal interpretation and +speculation. But having said this, I find McConkie (even in his most +biased and speculative moments) far more thought-provoking than the +trash coming from your proverbial pen. I'm somewhat appalled that I have +allowed myself to sink as low as you in this posting... + +============================= +Robert Weiss +psyrobtw@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu + + +Casper C. Knies isscck@byuvm.bitnet +Brigham Young University isscck@vm.byu.edu +UCS Computer Facilities +";19;True +"From: ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos Tamamidis ) +Subject: Re: Turkey-Cyprus-Bosnia-Serbia-Greece (Armenia-Azeris) +Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana +Lines: 60 + +tankut@IASTATE.EDU (Sabri T Atan) writes: + +>In article , ptg2351@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Panos +>Tamamidis ) writes: +> +>> >(I have nothing against Greeks but my problem is with fanatics. I have met +>> >so many Greeks who wouldn't even talk to me because I am Turkish. From my +>> >experience, all my friends always were open to Greeks) +>> +>> Well, the history, wars, current situations, all of them do not help. + +>Well, Panos, Mr. Tamamidis?, the way you put it it is only the Turks +>who bear the responsibility of the things happening today. That is hard to +>believe for somebody trying to be objective. + + Well, if you put things into historical perspective, the Turks + moved into an area, which was inhabited by Greeks. This is how the history + between the two nations started some centuries ago. Since then, it has been + a continuous battle between the two nations. From my perspective I can't see + why I should say that Greeks have been responsible for what has happened + between the two nations. Of course, it would not be reasonable to argue that + the hostility should drag till we kick the Turks out of this area. This isn't + going to happen, so the best would be to improve the relations between the two + countries. A golden oportunity exists with Cyprus. If things can't work + there, there isn't any possible way that could work between our nations. + +>When it comes to conflicts like our countries having you cannot +>blame one side only, there always are bad guys on both sides. +>What were you doing on Anatolia after the WW1 anyway? +>Do you think it was your right to be there? + + I always avoid to discuss such things. I consider it a waist of my time. + Besides, as I said, I do not want to open a new flame. + +>I am not saying that conflicts started with that. It is only +>not one side being the aggressive and the ither always suffering. +>It is sad that we (both) still are not trying to compromise. +>I remember the action of the Turkish government by removing the +>visa requirement for greeks to come to Turkey. I thought it +>was a positive attempt to make the relations better. + + I thought it was a smart move to receive more money from Greek tourists. + I bet that this week there should be about 200,000 tourists from Greece + in Turkey. Each one will leave at least $1,000 so go and figure what this + means to your economy. If you had kept the visa requirement, how many + Greeks would bother to visit Turkey? + +>The Greeks I mentioned who wouldn't talk to me are educated +>people. They have never met me but they know! I am bad person +>because I am from Turkey. Politics is not my business, and it is +>not the business of most of the Turks. When it comes to individuals +>why the hatred? + + Come on. Do not extrapolate from your limited personal experience. You err + if you think you'd get a reasonable conclusion. + +>Tankut Atan +>tankut@iastate.edu + + Panos Tamamidis +";15;True +"From: tsif@ellis.uchicago.edu (Michael Tsifansky) +Subject: Re: How many israeli soldiers does it take to kill a 5 yr old child? +Reply-To: tsif@midway.uchicago.edu +Organization: University of Chicago +Lines: 30 + +In article hm@cs.brown.edu (Harry Mamaysky) writes: +> +> steel@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Nick Steel) writes: +> |> Q: How many occupying israeli soldiers (terrorists) does it +> |> take to kill a 5 year old native child? +> |> +> |> A: Four +> |> +> |> Two fasten his arms, one shoots in the face, +> |> and one writes up a false report. +> |> +> |> -- +> +>Can Nick Steel provide documentation for this alleged incident ? + +Probably not--he's just singing someone else's opera. He's good, too; perhaps he should get ""The Best Supporting Singer..."" + +I can give you a Q/A account that is well documented (just go back and reread some of the articles that appeared after this ""joke""): + +Q: How many antisemites does it take to come up with another anti-Israeli + provocation on the net? + +A: Just one. He'll fabricate a lie, and many more will applaud + +I would much prefer if Mr. Steel would refrain from this kind of jokes in the +future. They're not just offensive. They also have a very negative effect on +the state of things between Jews and Arabs. So thanks for nothing, clown! + +Mike. + +";15;True +"From: tffreeba@indyvax.iupui.edu +Subject: Re: Death and Taxes (was Why not give $1 billion...) +Lines: 48 + +nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu, University of Alaska Fairbanks writes: + +[A GOOD DEAL OF HEALTHY IF NOT DEEPLY THOUGHT OUT IDEALISM DELETED +BELOW.] + +>Major question is if you decide to mine the moon or Mars, who will stop you? +>[...] Can the truly inforce it? [...] + +If their parent company does business (and they will) on the face of the Earth +then they are vulnerable to govt. sanctions. Yes they can be stopped. + +>If you go to the moon as declare that you are now a soverign nation, who will +>stop you from doing it. [...] + +For the first 100 - 500 (IMHO) years nobody will have to. The colonists will +be too dependent on Earth too pull it off. Eventually they will, history +shows us that. + +>Also once you have the means to mine the moon (or whatever) then just do it. +>The UN if done right can be made to be so busy with something else, they will +>not care [...] + +What exactly do you mean here? Terrorism? Start an international incident +so your dream can come true? Crack a few eggs to make the omelet? This +sounds fairly irresponsible. + + +>Basically what I am saying is where is that drive of yeasteryears to go a +>little bit farther out, to do jus ta little bit more, and to tell the crown to +>piss off.. If my ancestors thought the way many today think, Id have been born +>in Central Europe just north of the Black Sea.. + +Again, the tie that binds will be much stronger for space colonists than +any immigrants that have gone before. Even those intrepid Asian +explorers that crossed the Bering land bridge did not have to carry their +air on their backs. + +== +>Michael Adams, nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu -- I'm not high, just jacked + +Keep the dream alive, maybe dream it a little more cogently. + +Tom Freebairn | There once was a man + | Who built a boat + | To sail away in. + | It sank. + | J.P. Donleavy + _Fairy Tale of New York_ (maybe?) +";2;True +"From: Donald Mackie +Subject: Re: Barbecued foods and health risk +Organization: UM Anesthesiology +Lines: 13 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: 141.214.86.38 +X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d9 +X-XXDate: Mon, 19 Apr 93 20:12:06 GMT + +In article <1993Apr18.175802.28548@clpd.kodak.com> Rich Young, +young@serum.kodak.com writes: + +Stuff deleted + +> ... have to +> consume unrealistically large quantities of barbecued meat at a +> time."" + +I have to confess that this is one of my few unfulfilled ambitions. +No matter how much I eat, it still seems realistic. + +Don Mackie - his opinion +";4;True +"From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) +Subject: Re: was:Go Hezbollah! +Organization: The Department of Redundancy Department +Lines: 23 + +In article <1993Apr19.192207.413@ncsu.edu> hernlem@chess.ncsu.edu (Brad Hernlem) writes: + +>I think that you should try to find more sources of news about what goes on +>in Lebanon and try to see through the propaganda. + +Thank you, Brad/Ali, for warning us about the dangers of propaganda. +It's funny, though, coming from you. + +>There are no a priori +>black and white hats but one sure wonders how the IDF can bombard villages in +>retaliation to pin-point attacks on its soldiers in Lebanon and then call the +>Lebanese terrorists. + +Who is it that executes these ""pin-point attacks"" on Israelis? The +guys in the white hats or the ones in the black hats? Neither? You +mean that they are just civilians, farmers, teachers, school children? +Well, maybe they ARE terrorists, after all? And maybe that +""propaganda"" was correct, too? Hmm? + +-- +Jake Livni jake@bony1.bony.com Ten years from now, George Bush will +American-Occupied New York have replaced Jimmy Carter as the +My opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President. +";15;True +"From: mcovingt@aisun1.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) +Subject: Re: Radar detector DETECTORS? +Nntp-Posting-Host: aisun1.ai.uga.edu +Organization: AI Programs, University of Georgia, Athens +Lines: 9 + +There is or was a microwave tower next to Florida's Turnpike, and you +could watch the cars hit the breaks as they came in sight of it every +morning... + +-- +:- Michael A. Covington, Associate Research Scientist : ***** +:- Artificial Intelligence Programs mcovingt@ai.uga.edu : ********* +:- The University of Georgia phone 706 542-0358 : * * * +:- Athens, Georgia 30602-7415 U.S.A. amateur radio N4TMI : ** *** ** <>< +";11;True +"From: sepinwal@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Alan Sepinwall) +Subject: Re: WFAN +Organization: University of Pennsylvania, School of Arts and Sciences +Lines: 27 +Nntp-Posting-Host: mail.sas.upenn.edu + +In article <1993Apr16.174843.28111@cabell.vcu.edu> csc2imd@cabell.vcu.edu (Ian M. Derby) writes: +>On the serious side: Maybe we should have a sub for Sports Radio/TV. +> +>As much as people complain about one station or another, the +>information you hear is a lot more in depth than what you can get on +>the AP wire or USA Today. So, to benefit those who have favorite +>teams outside of their vicinity, this would do wonders. People can +>get on and talk about what Cataldi said about the Eagles or what +>Lupica said of the Bonilla incident etc. This can be for any station +>across the country. Anyone agree? + + +I agree, although I would have no idea how to go about doing it. But +you've got my vote. + + +--I'm outta here like Vladimir +--Alan + +=========================================================================== +| ""What's this? This is ice. This is what happens to water when it gets | +| too cold. This? This is Kent. This is what happens to people when | +| they get too sexually frustrated."" | +| -Val Kilmer, ""Real Genius"" | +=========================================================================== + + +";14;True +"From: rwf2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ROBERT WILLIAM FUSI) +Subject: Bike advice +Organization: Lehigh University +Lines: 11 + +I have an '89 Kawasaki KX 80. It is in mint condition and starts on the first +kick EVERY time. I have outgrown the bike, and am considering selling it. I +was told I should ask around $900. Does that sound right or should it be +higher/lower? + Also, I am looking for a used ZX-7. How much do I have to spend, and what +year should I look for to get a bike without paying an arm and a leg???? + Thanks for the help! + + Rob Fusi + rwf2@lehigh.edu +-- +";7;True +"From: tomcat@leland.Stanford.EDU (tom spearman) +Subject: ATTENTION: ALL NEO-GEO OWNERS READ THIS! +Keywords: neo-geo +Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA +Lines: 25 + +Hello Neo-Geo owners (and non-owners who couldn't resist the title;)), + +I was wondering if any of you out there want to trade or sell games. I +mean, buying them from the stores can get kinda expensive. $184.99 is +a little too much to be spending on each game. But ahh, the quality... +Now I can get them for about $100, but that's still a lot. + +Right now, I have: + +Crossed Swords +Magician Lord +Baseball Stars 2 +Fatal Fury +Nam-1975 + +I am interested in buying more titles. If any of you have any interesting +trade ideas, please let me know. + + +Thanks + +Tom +tomcat@leland.stanford.edu + + +";8;True +"From: behnke@FNALF.FNAL.GOV (M.L. 'Broomen' Behnke) +Subject: Re: Peltier Effect Heat Pumps +Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Lab +Lines: 66 +Reply-To: behnke@FNALF.FNAL.GOV +NNTP-Posting-Host: fnalf.fnal.gov + +In article <2745@snap>, paj@uk.co.gec-mrc (Paul Johnson) writes: +> +>I was having a look through a couple of components catalogues when I +>came across a range of Peltier Effect heat pumps intended for cooling +>components. For those who have not heard of this effect, you put a +>current through one of these devices, and it pumps heat from one side +>to the other. Reverse the current and you reverse the effect. I +>think a temperature difference can give you an EMF as well. +> +>Anyway, it struck me that you could make a nice cool/hot box for +>picnics with one of these, a power regulator, a thermostat and a +>couple of heat sinks. The biggest device can shift 60W with an +>efficiency of 80-90%, which ain't bad (although it would flatten my +>car battery in about half an hour). +> + So-Called Cool-Hot boxes have been advetised for several years. I recall +Damark advertising them in a recent catalog. Problem with the units is they do +a sh***y job of keeping food cold/warm. The peliter devices used just don't +seem to have enough punch to keep up. If you want something hot, you need to +heat it up before you put it in the box, and end up hours later with food thats +only moderately warm. Same goes for cold items. + +>Unfortunately the catalogue didn't list anything more than the basic +>specs as a heat pump. I imagine that you would get a back-EMF as the +>temperature gradient across the device increases. If so, presumably +>its power decreases as the back-EMF increases, until eventually we +>have a steady state with no current being consumed (assuming no +>leakage). If so, then the final temperature difference between the +>two sides could be set by the supply voltage and nothing more +>(although that would be a lousy way to control it). +> +>What I would like to know is: +> +>1: Are the above guesses correct? +> +>2: What is the open-circuit thermal resistance of a typical device? +> (I just want to be sure that my coolbox is not going to get warm +> too fast when I unplug it) + + You'de probably be better off getting a good Coleman(tm) cooler and stocking +up on ""blue ice"" blocks. + +> +>3: How does a Peltier Effect heat pump actually work? It looks like +> magic! +> +>4: Why don't they use these things in domestic fridges/freezers? +> + Same as above. Not enough ""punch"" in them to keep/get things cold/hot. +> +>Thanks in advance, +> +>Paul. +> +>Paul Johnson (paj@gec-mrc.co.uk). | Tel: +44 245 73331 ext 3245 +>--------------------------------------------+---------------------------------- +>These ideas and others like them can be had | GEC-Marconi Research is not +>for $0.02 each from any reputable idealist. | responsible for my opinions +Mike Behnke | Senior Tech/Advisor | Quid est illuidin aqua?? +Fermi Nat Accel Lab | Equipment Suuport | +Batavia, Il. | Computing Div | PISTRIX!! PISTRIX!! +BEHNKE@FNALF.FNAL.GOV | | + +My opinions are my own, not of the lab. So, if you don't like them, call + +1-800-UWH-INER +";11;True +"From: jchen@wind.bellcore.com (Jason Chen) +Subject: MILITECH +Nntp-Posting-Host: wind.bellcore.com +Reply-To: jchen@ctt.bellcore.com +Organization: Bell Communications Research +Lines: 34 + +I saw an interesting product in NY Auto Show, and would like to +hear your comments. + +MILITECH(tm) is yet another oil additive. But the demonstration of this +product really impressive, if it didn't cheat. + +The setup of the demo is fairly simple. A cone shaped rotor is +half submerged in a small oil sink, filled with motor oil. The rotor +is powered by an electronic motor. A metal pad is pressed against +the rotor using the torque wrench until the rotor stopped by friction. +The torque that is needed to stop rotor is read from the torque wrench. + +Before MILITECH was added, the rotor was stopped with about 60 lb-ft +of torque (You pick the brand of oil, no difference). Once MILITECH was +added to the oil, the rotor could not be stopped even with 120+ lb-ft of +torque. + +Here is the good part: even after the salesman emptied the oil sink, +you still could not stopped the rotor with the thin film remained on it. + +They say you need only add 2oz per quart of oil every 15k miles. A 16 oz +bottle is $25. + +I still have my doubts. If this product is really so great, why it was +so little known? The salesman said it is widely used in military. I didn't +believe it. The demo was so impressive, that I bought a bottle against +my common sense. + +Has anyone heard of or actually used this product? Is it real? +If you are going to the auto show, please visit this stand on the +second floor. See if can find out if the demo is a hoax or not. + +Jason Chen + +";10;True +"From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) +Subject: Re: Pleasant Yankee Surprises +Organization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853 +Lines: 22 + +In article <1993Apr15.200629.7200@alleg.edu> luriem@alleg.edu(Michael Lurie) The Liberalizer writes: +> +> Actually, I kind of liked the Abott trade. We did trade the rookie of +>the year, SNOW, but with Don mattingly at first for another 8 years, Why +>bother. + +I'd be willing to make two wagers: +1) Snow doesn't win ROY. +2) Mattingly is out of baseball within five years. + +I'm skeptical of the first, because I don't think Snow is that good a +player, and he is on a losing team. + +I'm skeptical of the second because of his back. Mattingly is 32 this +year, and how many players play until they are 40? Not too many, and +most of them didn't have chronic back problems when they were 32. + +Could be wrong on either or both, but I think that's the smart way to +bet... + +Cheers, +-Valentine +";14;True +"From: nabil@ariel.yorku.ca (Nabil Gangi) +Subject: Dear Mr Ajami +Organization: York University, Toronto, Canada +Lines: 20 + +I have read -just today- two articles dripping of hate and offence to +a great deal of people. I could find as much matching hatred in your +articles as I have found in some of the self-righteous ""Kill-in-the-name +of God"" people. + +I don't know why you are so attcaking to everyone, is it a reaction to +the hatred calls on this newsgroup, or is it a reaction to hardships +you have seen and experienced from before... +I have learnt not to judge people by only what they say, but rather +try to put myself in their place and aspire to understand their +feelings. + +I hope you would be able to do the same with everyone, starting by your +ownself, because only through that you could be able to understand your +feelings and act in a the manner you would aspire everyone to adopt. + +Thanks for your time + +NABIL + +";15;True +"From: mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) +Subject: Re: Any info. on Vasomotor Rhinitis +Organization: AI Programs, University of Georgia, Athens +Lines: 15 +Nntp-Posting-Host: aisun3.ai.uga.edu + +(Disclaimer: I'm a sufferer, not a doctor.) + +I'm not sure there's a really sharp distinction between allergic and +vasomotor rhinitis. Basically, vasomotor rhinitis means your nose is +stuffy when it has no reason to be (not even an identifiable allergy). + +Decongestants and steroid sprays work for vasomotor rhinitis. Also, +I can get surprising relief from purely superficial measures such as +saline moisturizing spray and moisturizing gel. + +-- +:- Michael A. Covington, Associate Research Scientist : ***** +:- Artificial Intelligence Programs mcovingt@ai.uga.edu : ********* +:- The University of Georgia phone 706 542-0358 : * * * +:- Athens, Georgia 30602-7415 U.S.A. amateur radio N4TMI : ** *** ** <>< +";4;True +"From: joslin@pogo.isp.pitt.edu (David Joslin) +Subject: Apology to Jim Meritt (Was: Silence is concurance) +Distribution: usa +Organization: Intelligent Systems Program +Lines: 39 + +m23364@mwunix.mitre.org (James Meritt) writes: +>}So stop dodging the question. What is hypocritical about my +>}criticizing bad arguments, given that I do this both when I agree +>}with the conclusion and when I disagree with the conclusion? +> +>You are the one who has claimed to possess the fruits of precognition, +>telepathy, and telempathy. Divine it yourself. + +Another dodge. Oh well. I'm no match for your amazing repertoire +of red herrings and smoke screens. + +You asked for an apology. I'm not going to apologize for pointing out +that your straw-man argument was a straw-man argument. Nor for saying +that your list of ""bible contradictions"" shows such low standards of +scholarship that it should be an embarrassment to anti-inerrantists, +just as Josh McDowell should be an embarrassment to the fundies. Nor +for objecting various times to your taking quotes out of context. Nor +for pointing out that ""they do it too"" is not an excuse. Nor for calling +your red herrings and smoke screens what they are. + +I'm still not sure why you think I'm a hypocrite. It's true that I +haven't responded to any of Robert Weiss' articles, which may be due in +part to the fact that I almost never read his articles. But I have +responded to both you and Frank DeCenso (a fundie/inerrantist.) Both +you and Frank have taken quotes out of context, and I've objected to +both of you doing so. I've criticized bad arguments both when they +were yours and I agreed with the conclusion (that the Bible is not +inerrant), and when they were Frank's and I disagreed with the +conclusion. I've criticized both you and Frank for evading questions, +and for trying to ""explain me away"" without addressing the objections +I raise (you by accusing me of being hypocritical and irrational, Frank +by accusing me of being motivated by a desire to attack the Bible.) I +don't see that any of this is hypocritical, nor do I apologize for it. + +I do apologize, however, for having offended you in any other way. + +Happy now? + +dj +";19;True +"From: simon@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Simon Clippingdale) +Subject: Re: islamic authority over women +Nntp-Posting-Host: nin +Organization: Department of Computer Science, Warwick University, England +Lines: 49 + +In article <1993Apr5.023044.19580@ultb.isc.rit.edu> snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu (S.N. Mozumder ) writes: + +> One thing that relates is among Navy men that get tatoos that say ""Mom"", +> because of the love of their mom. It makes for more virile men. +> Compare that with how homos are raised. Do a study and you will get my +> point. + +Oh, Bobby. You're priceless. Did I ever tell you that? + +My policy with Bobby's posts, should anyone give a damn, is to flick +through the thread at high speed, searching for posts of Bobby's which +have generated a whole pile of followups, then go in and extract the +hilarious quote inevitably present for .sig purposes. Works for me. + +For the guy who said he's just arrived, and asked whether Bobby's for real, +you betcha. Welcome to alt.atheism, and rest assured that it gets worse. +I have a few pearls of wisdom from Bobby which I reproduce below. Is anyone +(Keith?) keeping a big file of such stuff? + + ""In Allah's infinite wisdom, the universe was created from nothing, + just by saying ""Be"", and it became. Therefore Allah exists."" + --- Bobby Mozumder proving the existence of Allah, #1 + + ""Wait. You just said that humans are rarely reasonable. Doesn't that + contradict atheism, where everything is explained through logic and + reason? This is THE contradiction in atheism that proves it false."" + --- Bobby Mozumder proving the existence of Allah, #2 + + ""Plus, to the believer, it would be contradictory + to the Quran for Allah not to exist."" + --- Bobby Mozumder proving the existence of Allah, #3 + +and now + + ""One thing that relates is among Navy men that get tatoos that say ""Mom"", + because of the love of their mom. It makes for more virile men. Compare + that with how homos are raised. Do a study and you will get my point."" + -- Bobby Mozumder being Islamically Rigorous on alt.atheism + +Mmmmm. Quality *and* quantity from the New Voice of Islam (pbuh). + +Cheers + +Simon +-- +Simon Clippingdale simon@dcs.warwick.ac.uk +Department of Computer Science Tel (+44) 203 523296 +University of Warwick FAX (+44) 203 525714 +Coventry CV4 7AL, U.K. +";9;True +"From: narlochn@kirk.msoe.edu +Subject: More General Questions... +Distribution: usa +Organization: Milwaukee School Of Engineering, Milwaukee, WI USA +Lines: 8 + +I have two questions: + +1) What would be required to create a Macintosh PC network + including laser printers, line printers, etc.? + +2) What would be bare minimum to create a network for +the primary purpose of networking a laser printer by +approx. 3 mac's? +";0;True +"From: wats@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM (Bruce Watson) +Subject: Re: First Spacewalk +Distribution: sci +Organization: Alpha Science Computer Network, Denver, Co. +Lines: 13 + +In article , baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) writes... +>In article <1993Apr20.204335.157595@zeus.calpoly.edu>, jgreen@trumpet.calpoly.edu (James Thomas Green) writes... +>>Why do spacecraft have to be shut off after funding cuts. For +>>example, Why couldn't Magellan just be told to go into a ""safe"" +>>mode and stay bobbing about Venus in a low-power-use mode and if +>>maybe in a few years if funding gets restored after the economy +>>gets better (hopefully), it could be turned on again. +> +>It can be, but the problem is a political one, not a technical one. + +Also remember that every dollar spent keeping one spacecraft in safe mode +(probably a spin-stabilized sun-pointing orientation) is a dollar not +spent on mission analysis for a newer spacecraft. In order to turn the +spacecraft back on, you either need to insure that the Ops guys will be +available, or you need to retrain a new team. + +Having said that, there are some spacecraft that do what you have proposed. +Many of the operational satellites Goddard flies (like the Tiros NOAA +series) require more than one satellite in orbit for an operational set. +Extras which get replaced on-orbit are powered into a ""standby"" mode for +use in an emergency. In that case, however, the same ops team is still +required to fly the operational birds; so the standby maintenance is +relatively cheap. + +Finally, Pat's explanation (some spacecraft require continuous maintenance +to stay under control) is also right on the mark. I suggested a spin- +stabilized control mode because it would require little power or +maintenance, but it still might require some momentum dumping from time +to time. + +In the end, it *is* a political decision (since the difference is money), +but there is some technical rationale behind the decision. + +David W. @ GSFC +";2;True +"From: kobet@xsun2a.ct.picker.com (Harry J Kobetitsch) +Subject: xwd +Nntp-Posting-Host: 144.54.64.38 +Organization: Picker International, Inc. +Distribution: na +Lines: 13 + +I am trying to run xwd on a Sun SPARCstation IPX +with SunOS 4.1.2 and Openwindows 3.0. I am using +the Motif window manager. I have been unsuccessful +in using xwd under Motif. I get the following when +doing xwd -out xwd.dmp + +X Error of failed request: BadDrawable (invalid Pixmap or Window parameter) + Major opcode of failed request: 73 (X_GetImage) + Resource id in failed request: 0x500043 + Serial number of failed request: 213 + Current serial number in output stream: 213 + +Does anyone have any insight to this ? +";12;True +"Subject: Re: The Inimitable Rushdie +From: kmagnacca@eagle.wesleyan.edu +Organization: Wesleyan University +Nntp-Posting-Host: wesleyan.edu +Lines: 28 + +In article <115621@bu.edu>, jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes: +> In article <1993Apr15.135650.28926@st-andrews.ac.uk> nrp@st-andrews.ac.uk (Norman R. Paterson) writes: +> +>>I don't think you're right about Germany. My daughter was born there and +>>I don't think she has any German rights eg to vote or live there (beyond the +>>rights of all EC citizens). She is a British citizen by virtue of +>>her parentage, but that's not ""full"" citizenship. For example, I don't think +>>her children could be British by virtue of her in the same way. +> +> I am fairly sure that she could obtain citizenship by making an +> application for it. It might require immigration to Germany, but +> I am almost certain that once applied for citizenship is inevitable +> in this case. + +Nope, Germany has extremely restrictive citizenship laws. The +ethnic Germans who have lived in Russia for over 100 years +automatically become citizens if they move to Germany, but the +Turks who are now in their third generation in Germany can't. +It's not a very good example to show citizenship without descent. + +Karl + ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- +| ""Lastly, I come to China in the hope | ""All you touch and all you see | +| of fulfilling a lifelong ambition - | Is all your life will ever be."" | +| dropping acid on the Great Wall."" --Duke | --Pink Floyd | +|-----------------------------------------------------------------------------| +| A Lie is still a Lie even if 3.8 billion people believe it. | + ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- +";9;True +"From: rsteele@adam.ll.mit.edu (Rob Steele) +Subject: Re: Atheist's views on Christianity (was: Re: ""Accepting Jeesus in your heart..."") +Reply-To: rob@ll.mit.edu +Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory +Lines: 19 + +In article +trajan@cwis.unomaha.edu (Stephen McIntyre) writes: + +> Well, then, Buddhism, Confucianism, Taoism, Hinduism, Judaism, +> Zoerasterism, Shintoism, and Islam should fit this bit of logic +> quite nicely... :-) All have depth, all have enduring values, +> thus all must be true... + +Yep. There's truth in all those religions, even in science. +Christianity doesn't claim to know it all. It does claim certain +things are true though that contradict other religions' truth claims. +So they can't all be true. + +------------------------------------------------------------ +Rob Steele In coming to understand anything +MIT Lincoln Laboratory we are rejecting the facts as they +244 Wood St., M-203 are for us in favour of the facts +Lexington, MA 02173 as they are. +617/981-2575 C.S. Lewis +";17;True +"From: bsteinke@es.com (Bruce Steinke) +Subject: Re: Program manager ** two questions +Nntp-Posting-Host: 130.187.90.30 +Reply-To: bsteinke@es.com (Bruce Steinke) +Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp., Salt Lake City, UT +Lines: 20 + +In article <1993Apr22.204406.20330@vpnet.chi.il.us>, lisbon@vpnet.chi.il.us (Gerry Swetsky) writes: +|> +|> (1) Is it possible to change the icons in the program groups? I'd like +|> to give them some individuality. +|> +|> (2) Can you set up a short-cut key to return to the Program Manager? +|> I know , will do it, but I'd rather set it up so I +|> can avoid the task list and get back to the P/M with . + +I use PlugIn, an enhancement to Program Manager. It allows (1) for sure, I +don't know on (2). Anyway, give it a try. I like it a lot and registered it +right away It can be found at ftp.cica.indiana.edu [129.79.20.84] in +/pub/pc/win3/util/plugin13.zip + +-Bruce +-- + Bruce F. Steinke | ""Never know when you're going to + bsteinke@dsd.es.com | need a good piece of rope."" + Software Technical Support Engineer | Sam Gamgee + Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp. | +";6;True +"From: I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau) +Subject: Re: The Inimitable Rushdie (Re: An Anecdote about Islam +Organization: Technical University Braunschweig, Germany +Lines: 19 + +In article <115846@bu.edu> +jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes: + +(Deletion) +>Certainly. It is a central aspect of Islam to show mercy and to give +>those who've done wrong (even presuming Rushdie _did_ violate Islamic +>Law) and committed crimes. This was the basis for my posts regarding +>leniency which seemed not to have penetrated Benedikt's skull. + +You have demanded harsh punishments of several crimes. Repeating +offenders have slipped in only as justification of harsh punishment at +all. Typically religious doublespeak. Whenever you have contradictory +statements you choose the possibility that suits your current argument. + +It is disgusting that someone with ideas that would make Theodore KKKaldis +feel cozy can go along under the protection of religion. + +Gregg, tell us, would you kill idolaters? + Benedikt +";9;True +"From: pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com (Dillon Pyron) +Subject: Re: How many read sci.space? +Lines: 11 +Nntp-Posting-Host: skndiv.dseg.ti.com +Reply-To: pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com +Organization: TI/DSEG VAX Support + + +There are actually only two of us. I do Henry, Fred, Tommy and Mary. Oh yeah, +this isn't my real name, I'm a bald headed space baby. +-- +Dillon Pyron | The opinions expressed are those of the +TI/DSEG Lewisville VAX Support | sender unless otherwise stated. +(214)462-3556 (when I'm here) | +(214)492-4656 (when I'm home) |Texans: Vote NO on Robin Hood. We need +pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com |solutions, not gestures. +PADI DM-54909 | + +";2;True +"From: decay@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (dean.kaflowitz) +Subject: Re: Spreading Christianity (Re: Christian Extremist Kills Doctor) +Organization: AT&T +Distribution: na +Lines: 29 + +In article , dlecoint@garnet.acns.fsu.edu (Darius_Lecointe) writes: +> ""David R. Sacco"" writes: +> > Not to be too snide about it, but I think this Christianity must +> > be a very convenient religion, very maliable and suitable for +> > any occassion since it seems one can take it any way one wants +> > to go with it and follow whichever bits one pleases and +> > reinterpret the bits that don't match with one's desires. It +> > is, in fact, so convenient that, were I capable of believing +> > in a god, I might consider going for some brand of Christianity. +> > The only difficulty left then, of course, is picking which sect +> > to join. There are just so many. +> > +> > Dean Kaflowitz +> > +> > Yes, Christianity is convenient. Following the teachings of Jesus +> > Christ and the Ten Commandments is convenient. Trying to love in a +> > hateful world is convenient. Turning the other cheek is convenient. So +> > convenient that it is burdensome at times. +> +> Some Christians take a 10% discount off the Ten Commandments. Sunday +> cannot be substituted for the Sabbath. + + +Make that 20%. Where did I see that poll recently about the +very religious and adultery? Was it this newsgroup or alt.atheism +or some other place? + +Dean Kaflowitz + +";19;True +"From: cam@castle.ed.ac.uk (Chris Malcolm) +Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post +Organization: Edinburgh University +Lines: 36 + +In article <1993Apr16.175534.13478@rd.hydro.on.ca> jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) writes: + +>We all seem to be in agreement that there are two explanations for why +>one can use the handlebars to lean a moving motorcycle. The question is, +>is one of the effect dominant, and which one is it? The idea would be to +>design an experiment which would seaprate the two characteristics, and +>see which effect produces a similar result to the one with which those of +>us who have bikes are familiar. + +As you point out, the experiments would be difficult. But we know +enough about the physics of the situation to do some calculations. +There are in fact three effects contributing to leaning the bike over +to begin a turn. + + 1. Gyro effect causing a torque which twists the bike over. + + 2. Contact patch having shifted to one side, causing bike to fall over. + + 3. Contact patch being accelerated to the side, causing a + torque which twists the bike over. + +Take an average bike/rider, average bike wheel, and at speeds of 5, +15, and 50 mph (say) calculate how much twist of the bars would be +needed to produce (say) 20 degrees of lean in (say) 2 seconds by each +effect alone. My guess is that at slow speeds 2 is dominant, and at +high speeds 3 is dominant, and at all speeds 1 contributes not far off +bugger all, relatively speaking. + +By the way, a similar problem is this: how does a runner who wants to +run round a corner get leaned into the corner fast? Is there a running +group where we could start ""counter-footing"" arguments and have them +all falling over as they tried to work out how they go round corners? +-- +Chris Malcolm cam@uk.ac.ed.aifh +44 (0)31 650 3085 +Department of Artificial Intelligence, Edinburgh University +5 Forrest Hill, Edinburgh, EH1 2QL, UK DoD #205 +";7;True +"Subject: LCD Overhead Projectors +From: jan@camhpp12.mdcbbs.com (Jan Vandenbrande) +Distribution: na +Organization: M&E (Division of EDS), Cypress CA +Nntp-Posting-Host: 134.244.49.156 +Lines: 13 + +I am looking for one of those color LCD screens you +place on an overhead projector and control the presentation +with a Mac. + +Can you recommend me a particular brand? +What price are we talking about? + +Thanks, +-- +Jan Vandenbrande +jan@ug.eds.com (New address) +jan@lipari.usc.edu (school address, forwards) +UUCP: {uunet, uupsi}!ug!jan +";0;True +"From: bobml@mxmsd.msd.measurex.com (Bob LaGesse) +Subject: Re: Changing oil by self. +Reply-To: bobml@msd.measurex.com +Organization: Measurex MSD +Distribution: mxmsd +Lines: 26 + +In article <1993Apr15.193712.25996@news.cs.brandeis.edu>, andyh@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Andrew J. Huang) writes: +> In article <1993Apr15.020356.28944@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> sorlin@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steven J Orlin) writes: +> >I take the electrodes of the Amp/Ohm/Volt meter whatever and connect one +> >to each earlobe. Then, symmetrically insert my fingers in each of the +> >spark plug boots. No cheating guys! both hands must be used! +> +> I have just a couple of questions about this technique. +> +> First, what firing order should I use? Do I start with my pointer +> finger or my pinky? Left hand or right? +> +> And secondly, I have a 12cyl and there are two cylinders unaccounted +> for. Any suggestions? +> +> /andy +> + +How about your two big toes? And while you're at it, why bother with removing +the drain plug when you could remove the dipstick instead and suck it out from +there with your mouth and then spit it out? + +-- +Domain: bobml@msd.measurex.com Bob LaGesse, Senior Software Engineer + UUCP: ...!uunet!mxmsd!bobml Measurex/Management Systems Division + Voice: (513) 825-3931 X303 1280 Kemper Meadow Drive + Fax: (513) 825-5393 Cincinnati, Ohio 45240, USA +";10;True +"From: luf4695@cup.edu +Subject: Re: Gateway UART chip? +Distribution: usa +Organization: California University of Pennsylvania, California, PA +Lines: 27 + +In article , spiro@netcom.com (Philip N. Spiro) writes: +> George A. Theall (theall@gdalsrv.sas.upenn.edu) wrote: +> : In article dickyj@netcom.com (Dicky Johan) writes: +> : >It seems that there are using the 16450 UART chip in the +> : >machine. Is that the same as the 16550 UART chip, which has a 16-bytes +> : >buffer? +> +> : No, it's not. According to the sales critter I spoke with last week, +> : though, Gateway does use socketed chips. You should be able to find the +> : 16550AFN for about $15 and upgrade the chip yourself. Minor nuisance. +> +> For whatever it's worth, my GW salesman said that their 16450 would do +> 14.4kbps and was soldered to the board. +> +> Will someone with a recent GW pls settle this by inspection! +> -- +> Phil +> ------------------------------------------- +> Phil Spiro spiro@netcom.com 415-964-6647 + +MINE has a 16450 sodered right on the card. Why would you need the 16550 +anyway? From what I've heard, when you're multitasking, its FIFO buffer keeps +you from loosing data. Is this right? + +Bryan Luff +Math & Comp. Sci. +Cal. U. of PA +";5;True +"From: reidg@pacs.pha.pa.us ( Reid Goldsborough) +Subject: OS/2 etc. for sale +Keywords: software +Distribution: na +Organization: Philadelphia Area Computer Society +Lines: 20 + +These packages all include complete printed manuals and +registration cards. I need to get rid of some excess. +They're the latest versions. I've priced these programs +at less than half the list price and significantly less +than the cheapest mail-order price around. + +* OS/2 2.0, can run Windows, DOS, and OS/2 programs, +superior stability compared to Windows, list $169, sale +$60. + +* NORTON COMMANDER FOR OS/2, provides better file +management than OS/2 does alone, graphical tree and file +list, drag and drop, launch apps from customizable menu, +list $149, sale $60. + +If you're interested in any of these programs, please phone me at +215-885-7446 (Philadelphia) and I'll save the package for you. +-- +Reid Goldsborough +reidg@pacs.pha.pa.us +";8;True +"From: coyne@thing1.cc.utexas.edu () +Subject: Re: Radar detector DETECTORS? +Organization: At UT? That's a joke. +Lines: 24 +NNTP-Posting-Host: thing1.cc.utexas.edu + +It is illegal to use anything you eavedropped on for a business +or for an illegal use. Jurisdictions that ban radar detectors or +police monitors, are essentially making the claim that there is no +other reason for a radar detector or police radio monitor. + +The results of fighting these claims in courts have been mixed. +The federal courts are not anxious to intervene and state courts +have sometimes held that the feds have exclusive jurisdiction +and sometimes they have not. A lot of state courts do not have +enough imagination to see any use for a radar detector besides +avoiding law enforcement action for speeding. + +When you buy a radar detector, amongst the guarrantees, instructions, +explanations, and other detritus, is an invitation to join an +association dedicated to preserving your right to use a radar detector. +(I promise I am not making this up!) + +I do not think radar detector manufacturers would be making any +headway at all in courtrooms if police departments enforced speed +laws with a strict eye to public safety and a blind eye to the fund +raiser aspect of tickets. + +Mike Coyne + +";11;True +"From: kxgst1+@pitt.edu (Kenneth Gilbert) +Subject: Re: erythromycin +Organization: University of Pittsburgh +Lines: 14 + +In article <47974@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> wsun@jeeves.ucsd.edu (Fiberman) writes: +:Is erythromycin effective in treating pneumonia? +: +:-fm + + +Not only is it effective, it is in fact the drug of choice for +uncomplicated cases of community-acquired penumonia. + +-- +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-|-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= += Kenneth Gilbert __|__ University of Pittsburgh = += General Internal Medicine | ""...dammit, not a programmer!"" = +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-|-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= +";4;True +"From: cmk@athena.mit.edu (Charles M Kozierok) +Subject: Re: Detroit Tigers +Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology +Lines: 20 +NNTP-Posting-Host: marinara.mit.edu +Keywords: Detroit is the top offensive team in the league + +In article <1qt1f3$o7o@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> vergolin@euler.lbs.msu.edu (David Vergolini) writes: +} The roar at Michigan and Trumbull should be loader than ever this year. With +} Mike Illitch at the head and Ernie Harwell back at the booth, the tiger bats +} will bang this summer. Already they have scored 20 runs in two games and with +} Fielder, Tettleton, and Deer I think they can win the division. No pitching! +} Bull! Gully, Moore, Wells, and Krueger make up a decent staff that will keep +} the team into many games. Then there is Henneman to close it out. Watch out +} Boston, Toronto, and Baltimore - the Motor City Kittys are back. + +nice woofing (or should i say meowing?). +and yes, the Tiggers are a fun, exciting team that i would pay to see. +but last year, they went 75-87. this year, their offense is essentially +the same, and their pitching is, at best, essentially the same. so why +do you think they will suddenly improve to win the 92 or so games which will +be required to win the A.L. East? what has changed that i don't see? + +remember, a 20-4 win is worth as much in the standings as a 3-2 win... + +-*- +charles +";14;True +"From: theslim@anathema.engin.umich.edu (Eric Michael Slimko) +Subject: Real-Time Data Display Tool +Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor +Lines: 12 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: anathema.engin.umich.edu +Originator: theslim@anathema.engin.umich.edu + + +Hi, + +I'm looking for a X-Windows tool that can display data (in a +2D plot) in real time with a couple different signals. +Anybody know of such a gem? Please Email me as I do not read +this group often. + +Thanks much! +Eric Slimko +theslim@caen.engin.umich.edu + +";12;True +"From: cs3sd3ae@maccs.mcmaster.ca (Holly KS) +Subject: Re: Western Digital HD info needed +Nntp-Posting-Host: maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca +Organization: Department of Computer Science, McMaster University +Lines: 11 + +My Western Digital also has three sets of pins on the back. I am using it with +another hard drive as well and the settings for the jumpers were written right +on the circuit board of the WD drive......MA SL ?? + +I can't remember what the last one was. If you can't find these markings on the +circuit board, I'll open my machine and tell you what mine are....... + +Kevin Holly +McMaster University, Hamilton, Ontario +hollyk@mcmail.cis.mcmaster.ca + +";5;True +"From: kssingvo@immd4.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Klaus Singvogel) +Subject: xswarm enhancement? +Organization: CSD., University of Erlangen +Reply-To: kssingvo@immd4.informatik.uni-erlangen.de +NNTP-Posting-Host: faui43.informatik.uni-erlangen.de +Lines: 8 + +Has anybody the xswarm enhacemened to use it with more than one wasp? + +Please E-Mail me, because I don't read this group any longer. + +Thanks in advance, + Klaus. +--- +Klaus Singvogel --- E-Mail: kssingvo@immd4.informatik.uni-erlangen.de +";12;True +"From: shd2001@andy.bgsu.edu (Sherlette Dixon) +Subject: Was Jesus Black? +Organization: BGSU +Lines: 43 + +The people who post to this particular newsgroup are either too cowardly, +too arrogant, or too apathetic to discuss this issue since I have yet to +see any discussion grace my computer screen. While it holds PARTICULAR +interest to the African-American community, everyone has something to gain +from discussing it. As any knowledgable person should know, Christianity +has been used in this country to tighten the spiritual, emotional, & mental +hold slavery placed on the minds, souls & hearts of African-Americans. +This was most effectively done by the display of white icons of Jesus in +slave churches to encourage the godly superiority of slaveowners. It +wasn't enough that the slaveowner was your provider, but he was also your +GOD, to be looked upon with unconditional love & loyalty and to be +worshipped with great pride. But how culturally & biblically accurate are +these icons? Pictures & statues of a Black Jesus have been found in +European countries, as that of a Black Madonna. But what about Biblical +physical descriptions of Jesus, His hair being compared to that of wool, +His feet to that of brass? And think about the area of the world where all +Biblical actions took place. I welcome all intelligent commentary on this +important topic; flamers need not reply. + +Sherlette + +P.S. I expect at least THIS type of response: ""It doesn't matter what +color His skin was; His actions & what He did for mankind are what counts."" + This is true; I am not questioning this. But He walked the earth for 3 +decades as a HUMAN; this part of His existence intrigues me. And as for +saying that ""it doesn't matter..."" to a member of a physically emancipated +people who is still struggling for MENTAL emancipation, believe me: IT +MATTERS. + +[The general attack on the members of this group seems unjustified. +There has been discussion of this issue in the past. We can't discuss +everything at once, so the fact that some specific thing hasn't been +discussed recently shouldn't be taken as a sign of general cowardice, +arrogance or apathy. In past discussions no one has been outraged by +suggestions that Jesus could be black (and it has been suggested by a +few scholars), but the concensus is that he was most likely Semitic. +As you probably know, there is a tradition that portrayals of Jesus in +art tends to show him as one of the people. Thus you wouldn't be +surprised to find African art showing him as black, and oriental art +showing him as oriental. There are good reasons relating to Christian +devotion to think of him in such a way. It's also good now and then +to have that image challenged, and to think of Jesus as being a member +of XXX, where XXX is the group you least respect. --clh] +";17;True +"From: marco@sdf.lonestar.org (Steve Giammarco) +Subject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition? +Organization: sdf public access Unix, Dallas TX 214/436-3281 +Lines: 27 + +In article <1qk1taINNmr4@calamari.hi.com> rogers@calamari.hi.com (Andrew Rogers) writes: +>In article <1993Apr15.153729.13738@walter.bellcore.com> jchen@ctt.bellcore.com writes: +>>Chinese, and many other Asians (Japanese, Koreans, etc) have used +>>MSG as flavor enhancer for two thousand years. Do you believe that +>>they knew how to make MSG from chemical processes? Not. They just +>>extracted it from natural food such sea food and meat broth. +> +>And to add further fuel to the flame war, I read about 20 years ago that +>the ""natural"" MSG - extracted from the sources you mention above - does not +>cause the reported aftereffects; it's only that nasty ""artificial"" MSG - +>extracted from coal tar or whatever - that causes Chinese Restaurant +>Syndrome. I find this pretty hard to believe; has anyone else heard it? + +I was under the (possibly incorrect) assumption that most of the MSG on +our foods was made from processing sugar beets. Is this not true? Are +there other sources of MSG? + +I am one of those folx who react, sometimes strongly, to MSG. However, +I also react strongly to sodium chloride (table salt) in excess. Each +causes different symptoms except for the common one of rapid heartbeat +and an uncomfortable feeling of pressure in my chest, upper left quadrant. + + +-- +Steve Giammarco/5330 Peterson Lane/Dallas TX 75240 +marco@sdf.lonestar.org +loveyameanit. +";4;True +"From: mikeq@freddy.CNA.TEK.COM (Mike Quigley) +Subject: Re: Bill Targets Pension Funds for "" Liberation "" +Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Redmond, OR. +Lines: 6 + +>>|> Excerpts from ""Insight"" magazine, March 15, 1993 + + + *Paranoia part deleted.* + + Isn't Insight magazine published by the Mooneys? +";18;True +"From: Center for Policy Research +Subject: Re: rejoinder. Questions to Israelis +Nf-ID: #R:cdp:1483500352:cdp:1483500353:000:3689 +Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!cpr Apr 22 17:31:00 1993 +Lines: 83 + + +From: Center for Policy Research +Subject: rejoinder. Questions to Israelis + + +Dear Josh + +I appreciate the fact that you sought to answer my questions. + +Having said that, I am not totally happy with your answers. + +1. You did not fully answer my question whether Israeli ID cards +identify the holders as Jews or Arabs. You imply that U.S. +citizens must identify themselves by RACE. Is that true ? Or are +just trying to mislead the reader ? Do you know of any democratic +country where people are asked to reveal their ethnical or +religious identity to any public official who so requests ? + +2. The answer to the second question is evasive. There are all +kinds of maps issued. They are not equivalent to State policy. +You did not respond to my question. + +3. Your answer to the third question (Israeli nuclear arsenal) is +interesting. You say that Israeli 'probably' stocks nuclear +weapons. What evidence have you for maintaining that ? + +4. My fourth question was answered by someone else who posted a +Ma'ariv article documenting such cases. I did not ask about cases +like Vanunu (everybody knew he was tried and imprisoned) but about +those about whom nobody even knows that they have been tried and +imprisoned. + +5. Thanks for clarifying the question concerning the legal status +of the inhabitants of the occupied territories. From it I +understand that there are two sets of laws in these ares, one for +the occupier (civil law) and one for the occupied (military law). +The law allows Israeli Arabs to settle in Hebron, it seems. If so, +why doesn't it allow Hebron Arabs to settle in Israel ? + +6. Your answer to the question concerning rights to return +conflicts with what I was told, namely that hundreds of thousands +of non-Jews who left for some reason or other the area under +Israel control during the war of 1947-8, were prevented from +returning for the sole reason they were not Jews. Jews who also +left, for example to Europe, to avoid the clashes, were allowed to +return. How can you justify such discrimination, if this is true ? +Is the mere fact of a person leaving area of combat to seek refuge +somewhere else a reason for stripping him of his right to live in +his homeland ? + +7. Somebody answered my 7.question regarding Y. Rabin signing an +order for ethnical cleansing in 1948. According to that +information, Y. Rabin signed the order for the expulsion of all +inhabitants of Lydda and Ramleh, about 50,000 people. These +expulsions were helped by massacres of civilians and other +atrocities which remind Bosnia. I was referred to a book by +Israeli journalist Benny Goodman called The Origin of the +Palestinian Refugee Problem, published by Cambridge University +Press. Is this book available in your library ? + +8. You maintain that there are some Israeli Arabs living in +Israeli kibbutzim. I wonder how many and where. There is very +little evidence available about that. As much as I know, many +Arabs are working *for* kibbutzim, even for many years, but are +not accepted as members. Could it be that kibbutzim do not want +Arabs ? + +9. My question about the lack of civil marriage in Israel was +whether it is true that the Israeli legislator intended to +discourage intermarriage. You did not address this question but +evaded it by saying that the 'entire religious establishment wants +to keep it what way'. I am certain that if only religious +communities in the U.S. would be asked, they would gladly abolish +civil marriage so that people would depend upon rabbis and priests +to officiate marriages. But Israel has always been ruled by a +secular majority. Your answer is not satisfactory. + + +I would be glad to have some more input from you after these +comments. + +Elias + +";15;True +"From: hlsw_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Dave Hollinsworth) +Subject: 2 questions about the Centris 650's RAM +Nntp-Posting-Host: uhura.cc.rochester.edu +Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY) +Distribution: usa +Lines: 18 + +With a little luck, I could own a C650 sometime in the near future, and +so I was just wondering if someone could clear these two questions up for me: + +1. What speed SIMMS does the C650 need/want? (I know that it needs 80ns +VRAM...not sure for the main RAM.) + +2. I've heard two conflicting stories about the total expandibility of the +C650's RAM...132 and 136 megs. Which is true? (Perhaps another phrasing +would be better: does the 8 meg version come with all 8 megs on the logic +board, or 4 megs + a 4 meg SIMM?) + +Just wondering.... + +-- +*** Dave Hollinsworth ********* hlsw_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu O |""| +* ""It's astounding; time is fleeting; madness takes * PLAY /\ | | +* its toll."" -- Riff Raff, Rocky Horror Picture Show * PINBALL! /\ \-------| +*** DISCLAIMER: They're my opinions. Are they yours? ********* / / |-------| +";0;True +"From: bh437292@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Basil Hamdan) +Subject: Re: was:Go Hezbollah! +Reply-To: bh437292@lance.colostate.edu +Nntp-Posting-Host: parry.lance.colostate.edu +Organization: Engineering College, Colorado State University +Lines: 95 + +In article <1993Apr15.224353.24945@das.harvard.edu>, adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack) writes: + +|> Tell me, do these young men also attack Syrian troops? + +In the South Lebanon area, only Israeli (and SLA) and Lebanese troops +are present. +Syrian troops are deployed north of the Awali river. Between the +Awali river and the ""Security Zone"" only Lebanese troops are stationed. + +|> +|> >with the blood of its soldiers. If Israel is interested in peace, +|> >than it should withdraw from OUR land. +|> +|> There must be a guarantee of peace before this happens. It +|> seems that many of these Lebanese youth are unable to restrain +|> themselves from violence, and unable to to realize that their actions +|> prolong Israels stay in South Lebanon. + +That is your opinion and the opinion of the Israeli government. +I agree peace guarantees would be better for all, but I am addressing +the problem as it stands now. Hopefully a comprehensive peace settlement +will be concluded soon, and will include security guarantees for +both sides. My proposal was aimed at decreasing the casualties +in the interim period. In my opinion, if Israel withdraws +unilaterally it would still be better off than staying. +The Israeli gov't obviously agrees with you and is not willing +to do such a move. I hope to be be able to change your opinion +and theirs, that's why I post to tpm. + +|> If the Lebanese army was able to maintain the peace, then +|> Israel would not have to be there. Until it is, Israel prefers that +|> its soldiers die rather than its children. + +As I explained, I contend that if Israel does withdraw unilaterally +I believe no attacks would ensue against northern Israel. I also +explained why I believe that to be the case. My suggestion +is aimed at reducing the level of tension and casualties on all sides. +It is unfortunate that Israel does not agree with my opinion. + + +|> +|> >If Israel really wants to save some Israeli lives it would withdraw +|> >unilaterally from the so-called ""Security Zone"" before the conclusion +|> >of the peace talks. Such a move would save Israeli lives, +|> >advance peace efforts, give Israel a great moral lift, better Israel's +|> >public image abroad and give it an edge in the peace negociations +|> >since Israel can rightly claim that it is genuinely interested in +|> >peace and has already offered some important concessions. +|> +|> Israel should withdraw from Lebanon when a peace treaty is +|> signed. Not a day before. Withdraw because of casualties would tell +|> the Lebanese people that all they need to do to push Israel around is +|> kill a few soldiers. Its not gonna happen. + + +That is too bad. + +|> >Along with such a withdrawal Israel could demand that Hizbollah +|> >be disarmed by the Lebanese government and warn that it will not +|> >accept any attacks against its northern cities and that if such a +|> >shelling occurs than it will consider re-taking the buffer zone +|> >and will hold the Lebanese and Syrian government responsible for it. +|> +|> +|> Why should Israel not demand this while holding the buffer +|> zone? It seems to me that the better bargaining position is while +|> holding your neighbors land. + +Because Israel is not occupying the ""Security Zone"" free of charge. +It is paying the price for that. Once Israel withdraws it may have +lost a bargaining chip at the negociating table but it would save +some soldiers' lives, that is my contention. + + If Lebanon were willing to agree to +|> those conditions, Israel would quite probably have left already. +|> Unfortunately, it doesn't seem that the Lebanese can disarm the +|> Hizbolah, and maintain the peace. + +That is completely untrue. Hizbollah is now a minor force in Lebanese +politics. The real heavy weights are Syria's allies. The gov't is +supported by Syria. The Lebanese Army is over 30,000 troops and +unified like never before. Hizbollah can have no moral justification +in attacking Israel proper, especially after Israeli withdrawal. +That would draw the ire of the Lebanese the Syrian and the +Israeli gov'ts. If Israel does withdraw and such an act +(Hizbolllah attacking Israel) would be akin to political and moral +suicide. + +Basil + +|> Adam +|> Adam Shostack adam@das.harvard.edu +|> +|> ""If we had a budget big enough for drugs and sexual favors, we sure +|> wouldn't waste them on members of Congress..."" -John Perry Barlow +";15;True +"From: egret@wet.UUCP (thomas helke) +Subject: Re: Kiev 88 Medium format camera, !!! Cheaper Prices !!! +Distribution: usa +Organization: Wetware Diversions, San Francisco +Lines: 8 + +I agree. I own one. Aside from the shutter, it is built like +a little tank. A very good camera. Your price sounds reasonable, +too. New, I paid $565 for my KIEV 88 Camera Kit. Good luck. + +Thomas Helke +egret@wet.UUCP + + +";8;True +"From: gardinal@alishaw (Paolo Gardinali) +Subject: Re: New Study Out On Gay Percentage +Lines: 48 + +In <15378@optilink.COM> cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes: + + +>From the Santa Rosa (Cal.) Press-Democrat, April 15, 1993, p. B2: + +> Male sex survey: Gay activity low + +> A new natonal study on male sexual behavior, the most thorough +> examination of American men's sexual practices published since +> the Kinsey report more than four decades ago, shows about 2 +> percent of the men surveyed had engaged in homosexual sex and +> 1 percent considered themselves exclusively homosexual. + + etc. etc..... + + +>The article also contains numbers on the number of sexual partners. +>The median number of sexual partners for all men 20-39 was 7.3. + ^^^^^^ + +***Sure!!! And what's .3 of a woman??? Any hypothesis?? + + How can you trust a report from people that have *no idea* + of what a MEDIAN is? + + The same bullshit article reported that 22,5% of all the men have + sex 10 times or more a week (Elf, how many times did you fill + one of those questionnaires?) and had other statistics that took + in no consideration different class backgrounds, marital status + etc. No information on sampling were given. + +>Compared to the table I have already posted from Masters, Johnson, +>and Kolodny showing male homosexual partners, it is apparent that +>homosexual men are dramatically more promiscuous than the general +>male population. It's a shame that we don't have a breakdown for + +Do you think you can compare so lightly secondary data from 2 very +different (and discutible) surveys??? + +>straight men vs. gay/bi men -- that would show even more dramatically +>how much more promiscuous gay/bi men are. + +It just shows how dramatically ignorant are press release writers and +most pople that read them..... + + +PAolo + +";18;True +"From: niguma@ug.cs.dal.ca (Gord Niguma) +Subject: G. Williams sent down; Yanks win AL East +Nntp-Posting-Host: ug.cs.dal.ca +Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada +Distribution: na +Lines: 17 + + Well, it really isn't this cut and dry, but as a Jay fan the thing I feared +worst has happened. The Yanks sent down Williams G and are going to start +Williams B in CF. + I also believe they kept Wickman and Millitello in their rotation, which is +much nicer than that Kaminiecki and Mike Witt combo I thought they'd throw +out their to the slaughterhouse because of their ""experience"". Granted, Witt +""might"" be good, but I think that they used rationale to keep the youngsters +up and not given the job to Witt because he was a good pitcher and has +experience. + The Yanks are showing that they are taking positive strides forwards; the +Jays with the loss of Dave Stewart are looking at gigantic holes in their +pitching staff. + The Orioles should also be there in the end..... + + Gord Niguma + (to salvage the season, + let JJ Olerud win MVP) +";14;True +"From: rhorwell@crab.atc.boeing.com (Roland Faragher-Horwell,crab) +Subject: Re: What is "" Volvo "" ? +Reply-To: rhorwell@atc.boeing.com +Organization: Boeing Computer Services +Lines: 46 + +In article 21071@sernews.raleigh.ibm.com, mperry@vnet.ibm.com (Mark Perry) writes: +>>Hardly a good reason, most US cars do too - and plenty of people +>>buy them (in the US anyway :-). I think the 850 is quite a good +>>looking car - unlike the US influenced 740! +>> +>>kevinh@hasler.ascom.ch +> +>I don't think it's so easy to tell the 850 from any other 7 or 9 series unless +>you look real close. I really do think Volvo's are all dogs though beacuse they +>are 1.Agricultural + +While previous Volvos have been essentially very fast tractors, the 3,4 and 8 series +are far from 'agricultural' in design or execution (how many FWD tractors have you +seen?). + +>2.Have godlier than thou advertising. + +You state this like it is a bad thing. :^) (remember, car companies use +ad agencies - they don't do their own ads!) + +>3.are part of Renault. + +Is this true? I know that they had done joint ventures with Renault, but I haven't +heard about their subsumption into Renault - does this mean that the French Government +now owns Volvo? - anyway, Renault makes some very nice cars, they just don't sell +'em in N. America! + +> +>However... One thing that I do think is in their favour is that they are +>immediately recognisable as a VOLVO and that is not something you can say +>about most Japanese manufacturers and Ford. Saab also have a strong corparate +>look which like it or not is what I thing all car makers could aim for to +>make life a little more varied. + +Here! Here! + +> +> +>mperry@vnet.ibm.com + +Roland +rhorwell@atc.boeing.com + + + + +";10;True +"From: rvpst2+@pitt.edu (Richard V Polinski) +Subject: Re: Winning Streaks +Organization: University of Pittsburgh +Lines: 24 + +In article <93105.053748RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu> RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu (Robbie Po) writes: + +> +> The Penguins 18 game unbeaten streak carries over to next season. +>Meaning, if they start the season with another 18 game unbeaten streak, they +>will have eclipsed the Flyers record. Right now, the Penguins are on an 11 +>game winning streak, as streaks carry over from one year to another. + +Hmmmm, I'm not sure this is true. According to Mike Lang and good old +Stagie, along with the rest of the TV crews in pittsburgh, they +winning streak could have stopped because it is a regular season mark. +I would think this would also hold with an unbeaten streak for regular +season games. + +However, you are right that the playoff streak does carry over from +last year. And with 1 more win, I believe they tie an Edmonton record +(but don't quote me on that one). +>------------------------------------------------------------------------- +>** Robbie Po ** PGH PENGUINS!!! ""It won't be easy, but it +>Contact for the '93-'94 '91 STANLEY CUP will have greater rewards. +>Penn State Lady Lions '92 CHAMPIONS Mountains and Valleys are +>rap115@psuvm.psu.edu 11 STRAIGHT WINS! better than nothing at all!"" + + +";13;True +"From: huub@cwi.nl (Huub Bakker) +Subject: waiting for a specific event/callback +Keywords: event handling +Reply-To: Huub.Bakker@cwi.nl +Organization: CWI, Centre for Mathematics & Computer Science +Lines: 30 + +Hello world, + +I want to write my Xt-application code like this: + +{ + do_some_work(); + /* now I need some user input */ + XmCreateDialog(); + wait_for_user_input(input); + if (input == ""OK"") { + more_work(); + } else { + other_work(); + } +} + +So ""more_work() and other_work()"" are not in callback functions but the +application simply waits for the user to answer the question. + +How can I code this in my Xt/Motif-application? + +Thanks very much in advance. + +Greetings, Huub. + +-- +CWI, P.O. Box 4079 Huub Bakker (huub@cwi.nl) +1009 AB Amsterdam +The Netherlands +Tel. 31 20 5924080 +";12;True +"From: freed@nss.org (Bev Freed) +Subject: FAQs +Organization: The NSS BBS, Pittsburgh PA (412) 366-5208 +Lines: 8 + +I was wondering if the FAQ files could be posted quarterly rather than monthly. Every 28-30 days, I get this bloated feeling. + + + +-- +Bev Freed - via FidoNet node 1:129/104 +UUCP: ...!pitt!nss!freed +INTERNET: freed@nss.org +";2;True +"From: lakshman@ms.uky.edu (Lakshman K) +Subject: Realtime X-tensions +Organization: University Of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences +Lines: 8 + +Hi, + Iam looking for information on any work that deals with real-time +support in X-windows????!! + Would be happy if you could provide any pointers or information +thanks +Lakshman +lakshman@ms.uky.edu + +";12;True +"Subject: Traffic Rules at intersections +From: jsv@math.canterbury.ac.nz (Julian Visch) +Organization: Department of Mathematics, University of Canterbury +Nntp-Posting-Host: sss330.canterbury.ac.nz +Lines: 20 + +I am presently doing a masters thesis to do with traffic intersections in +New Zealand but a lot of the books I am researching from, are from America or +Australia and so I was wondering if anyone could please tell me what the road +rules are in either country with regard to intersections. + +Thanks +Julian Visch +jsv@math.canterbury.ac.nz + + ________________________ + ,---------+/ +----------+ \ + / || | | | + / || +----------+ | + _________------=--> | + | ______ | | ______ | + [| / _--_ \ / | / _--_ \ ] + \__|| -__- ||___/_____________/_____________|| -__- ||_____/ + \____/ \____/ + +";10;True +"From: ed@cwis.unomaha.edu (Ed Stastny) +Subject: The OTIS Project (FTP sites for original art and images) +Keywords: Mr.Owl, how many licks... +Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha +Lines: 227 + + + ------------------------------------- + + ............The OTIS Project '93 + + + ""The Operative Term Is STIMULATE"" + + ------------------------------------- + ---this file last updated..4-21-93--- + + +WHAT IS OTIS? + +OTIS is here for the purpose of distributing original artwork +and photographs over the network for public perusal, scrutiny, +and distribution. Digital immortality. + +The basic idea behind ""digital immortality"" is that computer networks +are here to stay and that anything interesting you deposit on them +will be around near-forever. The GIFs and JPGs of today will be the +artifacts of a digital future. Perhaps they'll be put in different +formats, perhaps only surviving on backup tapes....but they'll be +there...and someone will dig them up. + +If that doesn't interest you... OTIS also offers a forum for critique +and exhibition of your works....a virtual art gallery that never closes +and exists in an information dimension where your submissions will hang +as wallpaper on thousands of glowing monitors. Suddenly, life is +breathed into your work...and by merit of it's stimulus, it will +travel the globe on pulses of light and electrons. + +Spectators are welcome also, feel free to browse the gallery and +let the artists know what you think of their efforts. Keep your own +copies of the images to look at when you've got the gumption... +that's what they're here for. + +--------------------------------------------------------------- + +WHERE? + +OTIS currently (as of 4/21/93) has two FTP sites. + + 141.214.4.135 (projects/otis), the UWI site + + sunsite.unc.edu (/pub/multimedia/pictures/OTIS), the SUNsite + (you can also GOPHER to this site for OTIS as well) + +Merely ""anonymous FTP"" to either site on Internet and change to the +appropriate directory. Don't forget to get busy and use the ""bin"" +command to make sure you're in binary. + +OTIS has also been spreading to some dial-up BBS systems around North +America....the following systems have a substancial supply of +OTIStuff... + Underground Cafe (Omaha) (402.339.0179) 2 lines + CyberDen (SanFran?) (415.472.5527) Usenet Waffle-iron + +-------------------------------------------------------------- + +HOW DO YOU CONTRIBUTE? + +What happens is...you draw a pretty picture or take a lovely +photo, get it scanned into an image file, then either FTP-put +it in the CONTRIB/Incoming directory or use UUENCODE to send it to me +(email addresses at eof) in email. After the image is received, +it will be put into the correct directory. Computer originated works +are also welcome. + +OTIS' directories house two types of image files, GIF and JPG. +GIF and JPG files require, oddly enough, a GIF or JPG viewer to +see. These viewers are available for all types of computers at +most large FTP sites around Internet. JPG viewers are a bit +tougher to find. If you can't find one, but do have a GIF viewer, +you can obtain a JPG-to-GIF conversion program which will change +JPG files to a standard GIF format. + +OTIS also accepts animation files. + +When you submit image files, please send me email at the same time +stating information about what you uploaded and whether it is to be +used (in publications or other projects) or if it is merely for people +to view. Also, include some biographical information on yourself, we'll +be having info-files on each contributing artist and their works. You +can also just upload a text-file of info about yourself (instead of +emailing). + +If you have pictures, but no scanner, there is hope. Merely send +copies to: + +The OTIS Project +c/o Ed Stastny +PO BX 241113 +Omaha, NE 68124-1113 + +I will either scan them myself or get them to someone who will +scan them. Include an ample SASE if you want your stuff back. +Also include information on each image, preferably a 1-3 line +description of the image that we can include in the infofile in the +directory where it's finally put. If you have preferences as to what +the images are to be named, include those as well. + +Conversely, if you have a scanner and would like to help out, please +contact me and we'll arrange things. + +If you want to submit your works by disk, peachy. Merely send a 3.5"" +disk to the above address (Omaha) and a SASE if you want your disk back. +This is good for people who don't have direct access to encoders or FTP, +but do have access to a scanner. We accept disks in either Mac or IBM +compatible format. If possible, please submit image files as GIF or +JPG. If you can't...we can convert from most formats...we'd just rather +not have to. + +At senders request, we can also fill disks with as much OTIS as they +can stand. Even if you don't have stuff to contribute, you can send +a blank disk and an SASE (or $2.50 for disk, postage and packing) to +get a slab-o-OTIS. + +As of 04/21/93, we're at about 18 megabytes of files, and growing. +Email me for current archive size and directory. + +-------------------------------------------------------------------- + +DISTRIBUTION? + +The images distributed by the OTIS project may be distributed freely +on the condition that the original filename is kept and that it is +not altered in any way (save to convert from one image format to +another). In fact, we encourage files to be distributed to local +bulletin boards and such. If you could, please transport the +appropriate text files along with the images. + +It would also be nice if you'd send me a note when you did post images +from OTIS to your local bbs. I just want to keep track of them so +participants can have some idea how widespread their stuff is. + +It's the purpose of OTIS to get these images spread out as much as +possible. If you have the time, please upload a few to your favorite +BBS system....or even just post this ""info-file"" there. It would be +keen of you. + +-------------------------------------------------------------------- + +USE? + +If you want to use any of the works you find on the OTIS directory, +you'll have to check to see if permission has been granted and the +stipulations of the permission (such as free copy of publication, or +full address credit). You will either find this in the "".rm"" file for +the image or series of images...or in the ""Artists"" directory under the +Artists name. If permission isn't explicitly given, then you'll have +to contact the artist to ask for it. If no info is available, email +me (ed@cwis.unomaha.edu), and I'll get in contact with the artist for +you, or give you their contact information. + +When you DO use permitted work, it's always courteous to let the artist +know about it, perhaps even send them a free copy or some such +compensation for their files. + +--------------------------------------------------------------------- + +NAMING IMAGES? + +Please keep the names of your files in ""dos"" format. That means, keep +the filename (before .jpg or .gif) to eight characters or less. The way +I usually do it is to use the initials of the artist, plus a three or +four digit ""code"" for the series of images, plus the series number. +Thus, Leonardo DeVinci's fifth mechanical drawing would be something +like: + + ldmek5.gif OR ldmek5.jpg OR ldmech5.gif ETC + +Keeping the names under 8 characters assures that the filename will +remain intact on all systems. + + +---------------------------------------------------------------------- + +CREATING IMAGE FILES? + +When creating image files, be sure to at least include your name +somewhere on or below the picture. This gives people a reference in +case they'd like to contact you. You may also want to include a title, +address or other information you'd like people to know. + +----------------------------------------------------------------------- + +HMMM?! + +That's about it for now. More ""guidelines"" will be added as needed. +Your input is expected. + +----------------------------------------------------------------------- + +DISCLAIMER: The OTIS Project has no connection to the Church of OTIS + (a sumerian deity) or it's followers, be they pope, priest, + or ezine administrator. We do take sacrifices and donations + however. + +----------------------------------------------------------------------- + +DISCLAIMER: The OTIS Project is here for the distribution of original + image files. The files will go to the public at large. + It's possible, as with any form of mass-media, that someone + could unscrupulously use your images for financial gain. + Unless you've given permission for that, it's illegal. OTIS + takes no responsibility for this. In simple terms, all rights + revert to the author/artist. To leave an image on OTIS is to + give permission for it to be viewed, copied and distributed + electronically. If you don't want your images distributed + all-over, don't upload them. To leave an image on OTIS is + NOT giving permission to have it used in any publication or + broadcast that incurs profit (this includes, but is not + limited to, magazines, newsletters, clip-art software, + screen-printed clothing, etc). You must give specific + permission for this sort of usage. + +----------------------------------------------------------------------- + +Remember, the operative term is ""stimulate"". If you know of people +that'd be interested in this sort of thing...get them involved...kick'm +in the booty....offer them free food...whatever... + +....e (ed@cwis.unomaha.edu) + (ed@sunsite.unc.edu) + +-- +Ed Stastny | OTIS Project, END PROCESS, SOUND News and Arts +PO BX 241113 | FTP: sunsite.unc.edu (/pub/multimedia/pictures/OTIS) +Omaha, NE 68124-1113 | 141.214.4.135 (projects/otis) +---------------------- EMail: ed@cwis.unomaha.edu, ed@sunsite.unc.edu +";1;True +"From: steinly@topaz.ucsc.edu (Steinn Sigurdsson) +Subject: Re: Commercial mining activities on the moon + <1993Apr20.152819.28186@ke4zv.uucp> + <1993Apr20.204838.13217@cs.rochester.edu> +Organization: Lick Observatory/UCO +Lines: 53 +NNTP-Posting-Host: topaz.ucsc.edu +In-reply-to: dietz@cs.rochester.edu's message of 20 Apr 93 20:48:38 GMT + +In article <1993Apr20.204838.13217@cs.rochester.edu> dietz@cs.rochester.edu (Paul Dietz) writes: + + In article <1993Apr20.152819.28186@ke4zv.uucp> gary@ke4zv.UUCP (Gary Coffman) writes: + + > be the site of major commercial activity. As far as we know it has no + > materials we can't get cheaper right here on Earth or from asteroids + > and comets, aside from the semi-mythic He3 that *might* be useful in low + > grade fusion reactors. + + problem with 3He (aside from the difficulty in making any fusion + reactor work) is that its concentration in lunar regolith is just so + small -- on the order of 5 ppb or so, on average (more in some + + This thread reminds me of Wingo's claims some time ago about the moon + as a source of titanium for use on earth. As I recall, Wingo wasn't + ... + even 1% of the basalts are 5% TiO2, this is trillions of tons of TiO2 + at concentrations only a factor of 2-3 less than in lunar high-Ti + basalts. It is difficult to see how the disadvantages of the moon + could be overcome by such a small increase the concentration of the + ore (never mind the richer, but less common, terrestrial ores being + mined today). + +Why Paul, it's obvious. +Once chlorine chemistry has been banned on Earth, +as is being advocated by some groups, Ti prices will +sharply increase (we are of course not allowed to +assume any developments in Ti processing). +Lunar Ti will then be eminently competitive for +the trendy jewelry market and certain applications +of National Importance + +:-) :-) :-) + + +(oops, this is sci.space... wrong rules of debate ;-) + + +Seriously, I'd say there is a flaw in Gary's analysis +in that he assumes an export oriented economy, maybe +the lunatics will just want some native Ti for local +use... as to why Lunar natives are cost effective, +analysis has shown they will be critical in providing +a sheltered manufacturing base, technological innovation, +critical materials and manpower in the war between +the Allies and Central Powers in about two hundred years... + +;-) + +| Steinn Sigurdsson |I saw two shooting stars last night | +| Lick Observatory |I wished on them but they were only satellites | +| steinly@lick.ucsc.edu |Is it wrong to wish on space hardware? | +| ""standard disclaimer"" |I wish, I wish, I wish you'd care - B.B. 1983 | +";2;True +"From: dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) +Subject: Re: Public Service Translation No.2 +Keywords: effective Greek & Armenian postings +Organization: S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies +Lines: 36 + +In article <93332@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt1091a@prism.gatech.EDU (gt1091a gt1091a +KAAN,TIMUCIN) wrote: + +[KAAN] Who the hell is this guy David Davidian. I think he talks too much.. + +I am your alter-ego! + +[KAAN] Yo , DAVID you would better shut the f... up.. O.K ?? + +No, its' not OK! What are you going to do? Come and get me? + +[KAAN] I don't like your attitute. You are full of lies and shit. + +In the United States we refer to it as Freedom of Speech. If you don't like +what I write either prove me wrong, shut up, or simply fade away! + +[KAAN] Didn't you hear the saying ""DON'T MESS WITH A TURC!!""... + +No. Why do you ask? What are you going to do? Are you going to submit me to +bodily harm? Are you going to kill me? Are you going to torture me? + +[KAAN] See ya in hell.. + +Wrong again! + +[KAAN] Timucin. + +All I did was to translate a few lines from Turkish into English. If it was +so embarrassing in Turkish, it shouldn't have been written in the first place! +Don't kill the messenger! + +-- +David Davidian dbd@urartu.sdpa.org | ""How do we explain Turkish troops on +S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies | the Armenian border, when we can't +P.O. Box 382761 | even explain 1915?"" +Cambridge, MA 02238 | Turkish MP, March 1992 +";15;True +"From: ma225121@umbc.edu (Jonas Schlein) +Subject: Olivetti XT +Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Campus +Lines: 8 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: umbc8.umbc.edu +X-Auth-User: ma225121 + +I am selling an AT&T XT compatible. It comes with a green screen CGA monitor, +360k 5.25"" Floppy Drive, and a 20 Megabyte Hard Drive. + +You would think it was brand new from the condition it's in. + +Asking price is $150 + Shipping. + +Reply via E-Mail if interested. +";8;True +"From: gardner@convex.com (Steve Gardner) +Subject: Re: Gov't break-ins (Re: 60 minutes) +Nntp-Posting-Host: imagine.convex.com +Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA +X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer + Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and + not necessarily those of CONVEX. +Lines: 25 + +In article <1993Apr5.155733.114@pasadena-dc.bofa.com> franceschi@pasadena-dc.bofa.com writes: +>In Viet Nam, Lt Calley was tried and convicted of murder because his +>troops, in a war setting, deliberately killed innocent people. It is time +>that the domestic law enforcement agencies in this country adhere to +>standards at least as moral as the military's. + Here! Here! But any call for responsibility and accountability + from police is invariably interpreted as being ""soft on crime"". + Being ""tough on crime"" and building more prisons and seizing more + property is the politically astute thing to do these days. + + +>Greed killed the rancher, possibly greed killed the Davidian children. +>Government greed. + And citizen complacency! + +>It is time to prosecute the leaders who perform these invasions. + Don't forget the politicians that write the laws that make it + easy for the police agencies to become corrupt. The War on Some + Drugs brought us this corruption and only an end to it (legalization) + will stop the corruption. + + + smg + + +";3;True +"From: joe13+@pitt.edu (Joseph B Stiehm) +Subject: Re: This year's biggest and worst (opinion)... +Keywords: NHL, awards +Article-I.D.: blue.7995 +Organization: University of Pittsburgh +Lines: 93 + +In article <1993Apr6.170330.12314@is.morgan.com> scairns@fsg.com writes: +> +> MVP Surprise Disappointment +> --------------------------------------------- +>|> New York Rangers Messier Kovalev Bourque +> Gartner Zubov Bourque +> +... +>Bourque - the Penguin's GM must laugh his head off every time he thinks +>of the Rangers and this loser. +> +>+------------------------------------------------------------------+ +>| Scott Cairns | email: scairns@fsg.com | +>| Fusion Systems Group | usmail: 225 Broadway, 24th Fl | +>| New York, New York, USA | New York, NY 10007 | +>+------------------------------------------------------------------+ +>| Standard disclaimers apply. | +>+------------------------------------------------------------------+ +>| I hope in the future Americans are thought of as a warlike, | +>| vicious people, because then I bet a lot of high schools would | +>| pick 'Americans' as their mascot. | +>| - Jack Handey | +>+------------------------------------------------------------------+ + +Please. Have a care with Phil. We liked him a lot in Pittsburgh. He +didn't score a lot if you look at his stats last year but he worked his +butt off. It was his speed that created opportunities in the offensive +zone that allowed the Pens to utilize his potential. I haven't been +paying attention to him this year so I can't say I know what you're +objecting to. He has been out with injuries though, hasn't he? And +if the offense isn't there, there's not much his speed will do for you. +Like I said, he created opportunities but he didn't score much. I thought +the money offered from the Rangers was a little high, and so did the Pens, +I guess. + +Joseph Stiehm + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +In article <1993Apr6.170330.12314@is.morgan.com> scairns@fsg.com writes: +> +> MVP Surprise Disappointment +> --------------------------------------------- +>|> New York Rangers Messier Kovalev Bourque +> Gartner Zubov Bourque +> +... +>Bourque - the Penguin's GM must laugh his head off every time he thinks +>of the Rangers and this loser. +> +>+------------------------------------------------------------------+ +>| Scott Cairns | email: scairns@fsg.com | +>| Fusion Systems Group | usmail: 225 Broadway, 24th Fl | +>| New York, New York, USA | New York, NY 10007 | +>+------------------------------------------------------------------+ +>| Standard disclaimers apply. | +>+------------------------------------------------------------------+ +>| I hope in the future Americans are thought of as a warlike, | +>| vicious people, because then I bet a lot of high schools would | +>| pick 'Americans' as their mascot. | +>| - Jack Handey | +>+------------------------------------------------------------------+ + +Please. Have a care with Phil. We liked him a lot in Pittsburgh. He +didn't score a lot if you look at his stats last year but he worked his +butt off. It was his speed that created opportunities in the offensive +zone that allowed the Pens to utilize his potential. I haven't been +paying attention to him this year so I can't say I know what you're +objecting to. He has been out with injuries though, hasn't he? And +if the offense isn't there, there's not much his speed will do for you. +Like I said, he created opportunities but he didn't score much. I thought +the money offered from the Rangers was a little high, and so did the Pens, +I guess. + +Joseph Stiehm +";13;True +"From: dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren) +Subject: Suicide Bomber Attack in the Territories +Organization: Brown University Department of Computer Science +Lines: 22 + + Attention Israel Line Recipients + + Friday, April 16, 1993 + + +Two Arabs Killed and Eight IDF Soldiers Wounded in West Bank Car +Bomb Explosion + +Israel Defense Forces Radio, GALEI ZAHAL, reports today that a car +bomb explosion in the West Bank today killed two Palestinians and +wounded eight IDF soldiers. The blast is believed to be the work of +a suicide bomber. Radio reports said a car packed with butane gas +exploded between two parked buses, one belonging to the IDF and the +other civilian. Both busses went up in flames. The blast killed an +Arab man who worked at a nearby snack bar in the Mehola settlement. +An Israel Radio report stated that the other man who was killed may +have been the one who set off the bomb. According to officials at +the Haemek Hospital in Afula, the eight IDF soldiers injured in the +blast suffered light to moderate injuries. + + +-Danny Keren +";15;True +"From: mcguire@cs.utexas.edu (Tommy Marcus McGuire) +Subject: Re: Live Free, but Quietly, or Die +Organization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin +Lines: 29 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: cash.cs.utexas.edu + +In article <1qmi34$g2n@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes: +>In article 5049@cvbnetPrime.COM, tjohnson@tazmanian.prime.com (Tod Johnson (617) 275-1800 x2317) writes: +[...] +>>Sure there are horns but my hand is already on the throttle. Should we +>>get into how many feet a bike going 55mph goes in .30 seconds; or +>>how long it would take me to push my horn button?? +> +[...] +> +>The answer is 161.33 feet. +> +>--- +>Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker, +[...] + +Try something like 24.2 feet. + +EdGetACalculator + + + +----- +Tommy McGuire +mcguire@cs.utexas.edu +mcguire@austin.ibm.com + +""...I will append an appropriate disclaimer to outgoing public information, +identifying it as personal and as independent of IBM...."" + +";7;True +"From: dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) +Subject: Re: ARMENIA SAYS IT COULD SHOOT DOWN TURKISH PLANES (Henrik) +Organization: S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies +Lines: 93 + +In article <1993Apr20.110021.5746@kth.se> hilmi-er@dsv.su.se (Hilmi Eren) +responsed to henrik@quayle.kpc.com who wrote: + + +[h] The Armenians in Nagarno-Karabagh are simply DEFENDING their RIGHTS +[h] to keep their homeland and it is the AZERIS that are INVADING their +[h] territorium... + +[HE] Homeland? First Nagarno-Karabagh was Armenians homeland today +[HE] Fizuli, Lacin and several villages (in Azerbadjan) +[HE] are their homeland. Can't you see the +[HE] the ""Great Armenia"" dream in this? + +Greater Armenia would stretch from Karabakh, to the Black Sea, to the +Mediterranean, so if you use the term ""Greater Armenia"" use it with care. + +[HE] With facist methods like +[HE] killing, raping and bombing villages. The last move was the +[HE] blast of a truck with 60 kurdish refugees, trying to +[HE] escape the from Lacin, a city that was ""given"" to the Kurds +[HE] by the Armenians. + +It has always been up to the Azeris to end their announced winning of Karabakh +by removing the Armenians! When the president of Azerbaijan, Elchibey, came to +power last year, he announced he would be be ""swimming in Lake Sevan [in +Armeniaxn] by July"". Well, he was wrong! If Elchibey is going to shell the +Armenians of Karabakh from Aghdam, his people will pay the price! If Elchibey +is going to shell Karabakh from Fizuli his people will pay the price! If +Elchibey thinks he can get away with bombing Armenia from the hills of +Kelbajar, his people will pay the price. + +It also seems other non-Azeri minorities in Azerbaijan have understood they +are next in line in this process of forced Azerification or deportation. Just +look at the situation with the Lezgians. + +About the Kurds...what Kurds! According to the Azerbaijani government, there +are no Kurds in Azerbaijan. Can't they make up their minds? Oh I see, there +are only Kurds when the Azeris want them to be Kurds! And anyway, this ""60 +Kurd refugee"" story, as have other stories, are simple fabrications sourced in +Baku, modified in Ankara. Other examples of this are Armenia has no border +with Iran, and the ridiculous story of the ""intercepting"" of Armenian military +conversations as appeared in the New York Times supposedly translated by +somebody unknown, from Armenian into Azeri Turkish, submitted by an unnamed +""special correspondent"" to the NY Times from Baku. Real accurate! + +[h] However, I hope that the Armenians WILL force a TURKISH airplane +[h] to LAND for purposes of SEARCHING for ARMS similar to the one +[h] that happened last SUMMER. Turkey searched an AMERICAN plane +[h] (carrying humanitarian aid) bound to ARMENIA. +[h] + +No, Henrik, these Turkish planes should be shot down with no questions asked. + +[HE] Don't speak about things you don't know: 8 American Cargo planes +[HE] were heading to Armenia. When the Turkish authorities +[HE] announced that they were going to search these cargo +[HE] planes 3 of these planes returned to it's base in Germany. +[HE] 5 of these planes were searched in Turkey. The content of +[HE] of the other 3 planes? Not hard to guess, is it? It was sure not +[HE] humanitarian aid..... + +Your ""facts"" in error. Shipments of all kinds that have transversed Turkey +have been either searched, re-routed or confiscated. Some American planes +were searched, others were re-routed, others were untouched. Rail shipments +were held up last fall and last winter from entering Armenian from Turkey +for the purpose of aiding in the economic collapse of Armenia. Wheat was +confiscated, other shipments were exchanged with ""crap"" and dirt, then +shipped to Armenia. U.S. planes don't have to use Turkish air bases. The U.S. +uses these bases to bomb Iraq. Anyway, U.S. planes can fly over Georgia, which +they have found is easier than to endure unnecessary expressions of Turkish +chauvinism through searches of cargo which to this day have not revealed +anything other than a paranoid Turkish military. + +[HE] Search Turkish planes? You don't know what you are talking about. +[HE] since it's content is announced to be weapons? + +Well, big mouth Ozal said military weapons are being provided to Azerbaijan +from Turkey, yet Demirel and others say no. No wonder you are so confused! + +[HE] Turkey's government has announced that it's giving weapons +[HE] to Azerbadjan since Armenia started to attack Azerbadjan +[HE] it self, not the Karabag province. So why search a plane for weapons +[HE] since it's content is announced to be weapons? + +You are correct, all Turkish planes should be simply shot down! Nice, slow +moving air transports! + + +-- +David Davidian dbd@urartu.sdpa.org | ""How do we explain Turkish troops on +S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies | the Armenian border, when we can't +P.O. Box 382761 | even explain 1915?"" +Cambridge, MA 02238 | Turkish MP, March 1992 +";15;True +"From: tecot@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Edward M. Tecot) +Subject: Re: Computer Engr vs. Computer Science +Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA +Distribution: usa +Lines: 21 + +>A professor of mine once said ""The difference between a Computer Engineer and +>a Computer Scientist is about $5000"" meaning the Engineer makes $5000 more than +>the CS. +>Seriously though the main difference is that most CS people write programs that +>people will use, i.e. database, graphics, word processors, etc., while an +>engineer writes for machines or control systems, i.e. the ""computer"" in your +>car, a flight control system, computer controled devices, etc. In other words +>CS writes SOFTWARE while CSE writes FIRMWARE. +>These are generalizations but for the most part that is what the difference is. + +>P.S. The $5000 is not just a joke +>Scott + +For the most part, this is a bunch of bunk. I've got a Computer Engineering +degree, yet I've spent the last 7 years writing software that people actually +use. Moreover, the salary distinctions are incorrect; I received 3 job offers +upon graduation; the two jobs that actually used my hardware experience were +$7000/year lower! My advice is to decide which classes and projects most +interest you, and pick the major that allows you to take them. + +_emt +";0;True +"From: bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Bill Conner) +Subject: Re: IF ONLY HE KNEW +Nntp-Posting-Host: okcforum.osrhe.edu +Organization: Okcforum Unix Users Group +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] +Lines: 20 + +prudenti@juncol.juniata.edu wrote: + +: Upon arriving at home, Joseph probably took advantage of Mary...had his way +: with her so to speak. Of course, word of this couldn't get around so Mary, +: being the highly-religious follower that she was decided ""Hey, I'll just say +: that GOD impregnated me...no one will ever know!"" +: +: Thus, seen as a trustworthy and honorable soul, she was believed... +: +: And then came Jesus, the child born from violence. +: +: +: + +Dave, + +Can you explain the purpose of your post, I can't imagine what you +must have thougt it meant. + +Bill +";9;True +"From: leech@cs.unc.edu (Jon Leech) +Subject: Space FAQ 11/15 - Upcoming Planetary Probes +Supersedes: +Organization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill +Lines: 243 +Distribution: world +Expires: 6 May 1993 20:00:01 GMT +NNTP-Posting-Host: mahler.cs.unc.edu +Keywords: Frequently Asked Questions + +Archive-name: space/new_probes +Last-modified: $Date: 93/04/01 14:39:17 $ + +UPCOMING PLANETARY PROBES - MISSIONS AND SCHEDULES + + Information on upcoming or currently active missions not mentioned below + would be welcome. Sources: NASA fact sheets, Cassini Mission Design + team, ISAS/NASDA launch schedules, press kits. + + + ASUKA (ASTRO-D) - ISAS (Japan) X-ray astronomy satellite, launched into + Earth orbit on 2/20/93. Equipped with large-area wide-wavelength (1-20 + Angstrom) X-ray telescope, X-ray CCD cameras, and imaging gas + scintillation proportional counters. + + + CASSINI - Saturn orbiter and Titan atmosphere probe. Cassini is a joint + NASA/ESA project designed to accomplish an exploration of the Saturnian + system with its Cassini Saturn Orbiter and Huygens Titan Probe. Cassini + is scheduled for launch aboard a Titan IV/Centaur in October of 1997. + After gravity assists of Venus, Earth and Jupiter in a VVEJGA + trajectory, the spacecraft will arrive at Saturn in June of 2004. Upon + arrival, the Cassini spacecraft performs several maneuvers to achieve an + orbit around Saturn. Near the end of this initial orbit, the Huygens + Probe separates from the Orbiter and descends through the atmosphere of + Titan. The Orbiter relays the Probe data to Earth for about 3 hours + while the Probe enters and traverses the cloudy atmosphere to the + surface. After the completion of the Probe mission, the Orbiter + continues touring the Saturnian system for three and a half years. Titan + synchronous orbit trajectories will allow about 35 flybys of Titan and + targeted flybys of Iapetus, Dione and Enceladus. The objectives of the + mission are threefold: conduct detailed studies of Saturn's atmosphere, + rings and magnetosphere; conduct close-up studies of Saturn's + satellites, and characterize Titan's atmosphere and surface. + + One of the most intriguing aspects of Titan is the possibility that its + surface may be covered in part with lakes of liquid hydrocarbons that + result from photochemical processes in its upper atmosphere. These + hydrocarbons condense to form a global smog layer and eventually rain + down onto the surface. The Cassini orbiter will use onboard radar to + peer through Titan's clouds and determine if there is liquid on the + surface. Experiments aboard both the orbiter and the entry probe will + investigate the chemical processes that produce this unique atmosphere. + + The Cassini mission is named for Jean Dominique Cassini (1625-1712), the + first director of the Paris Observatory, who discovered several of + Saturn's satellites and the major division in its rings. The Titan + atmospheric entry probe is named for the Dutch physicist Christiaan + Huygens (1629-1695), who discovered Titan and first described the true + nature of Saturn's rings. + + Key Scheduled Dates for the Cassini Mission (VVEJGA Trajectory) + ------------------------------------------------------------- + 10/06/97 - Titan IV/Centaur Launch + 04/21/98 - Venus 1 Gravity Assist + 06/20/99 - Venus 2 Gravity Assist + 08/16/99 - Earth Gravity Assist + 12/30/00 - Jupiter Gravity Assist + 06/25/04 - Saturn Arrival + 01/09/05 - Titan Probe Release + 01/30/05 - Titan Probe Entry + 06/25/08 - End of Primary Mission + (Schedule last updated 7/22/92) + + + GALILEO - Jupiter orbiter and atmosphere probe, in transit. Has returned + the first resolved images of an asteroid, Gaspra, while in transit to + Jupiter. Efforts to unfurl the stuck High-Gain Antenna (HGA) have + essentially been abandoned. JPL has developed a backup plan using data + compression (JPEG-like for images, lossless compression for data from + the other instruments) which should allow the mission to achieve + approximately 70% of its original objectives. + + Galileo Schedule + ---------------- + 10/18/89 - Launch from Space Shuttle + 02/09/90 - Venus Flyby + 10/**/90 - Venus Data Playback + 12/08/90 - 1st Earth Flyby + 05/01/91 - High Gain Antenna Unfurled + 07/91 - 06/92 - 1st Asteroid Belt Passage + 10/29/91 - Asteroid Gaspra Flyby + 12/08/92 - 2nd Earth Flyby + 05/93 - 11/93 - 2nd Asteroid Belt Passage + 08/28/93 - Asteroid Ida Flyby + 07/02/95 - Probe Separation + 07/09/95 - Orbiter Deflection Maneuver + 12/95 - 10/97 - Orbital Tour of Jovian Moons + 12/07/95 - Jupiter/Io Encounter + 07/18/96 - Ganymede + 09/28/96 - Ganymede + 12/12/96 - Callisto + 01/23/97 - Europa + 02/28/97 - Ganymede + 04/22/97 - Europa + 05/31/97 - Europa + 10/05/97 - Jupiter Magnetotail Exploration + + + HITEN - Japanese (ISAS) lunar probe launched 1/24/90. Has made + multiple lunar flybys. Released Hagoromo, a smaller satellite, + into lunar orbit. This mission made Japan the third nation to + orbit a satellite around the Moon. + + + MAGELLAN - Venus radar mapping mission. Has mapped almost the entire + surface at high resolution. Currently (4/93) collecting a global gravity + map. + + + MARS OBSERVER - Mars orbiter including 1.5 m/pixel resolution camera. + Launched 9/25/92 on a Titan III/TOS booster. MO is currently (4/93) in + transit to Mars, arriving on 8/24/93. Operations will start 11/93 for + one martian year (687 days). + + + TOPEX/Poseidon - Joint US/French Earth observing satellite, launched + 8/10/92 on an Ariane 4 booster. The primary objective of the + TOPEX/POSEIDON project is to make precise and accurate global + observations of the sea level for several years, substantially + increasing understanding of global ocean dynamics. The satellite also + will increase understanding of how heat is transported in the ocean. + + + ULYSSES- European Space Agency probe to study the Sun from an orbit over + its poles. Launched in late 1990, it carries particles-and-fields + experiments (such as magnetometer, ion and electron collectors for + various energy ranges, plasma wave radio receivers, etc.) but no camera. + + Since no human-built rocket is hefty enough to send Ulysses far out of + the ecliptic plane, it went to Jupiter instead, and stole energy from + that planet by sliding over Jupiter's north pole in a gravity-assist + manuver in February 1992. This bent its path into a solar orbit tilted + about 85 degrees to the ecliptic. It will pass over the Sun's south pole + in the summer of 1993. Its aphelion is 5.2 AU, and, surprisingly, its + perihelion is about 1.5 AU-- that's right, a solar-studies spacecraft + that's always further from the Sun than the Earth is! + + While in Jupiter's neigborhood, Ulysses studied the magnetic and + radiation environment. For a short summary of these results, see + *Science*, V. 257, p. 1487-1489 (11 September 1992). For gory technical + detail, see the many articles in the same issue. + + + OTHER SPACE SCIENCE MISSIONS (note: this is based on a posting by Ron + Baalke in 11/89, with ISAS/NASDA information contributed by Yoshiro + Yamada (yamada@yscvax.ysc.go.jp). I'm attempting to track changes based + on updated shuttle manifests; corrections and updates are welcome. + + 1993 Missions + o ALEXIS [spring, Pegasus] + ALEXIS (Array of Low-Energy X-ray Imaging Sensors) is to perform + a wide-field sky survey in the ""soft"" (low-energy) X-ray + spectrum. It will scan the entire sky every six months to search + for variations in soft-X-ray emission from sources such as white + dwarfs, cataclysmic variable stars and flare stars. It will also + search nearby space for such exotic objects as isolated neutron + stars and gamma-ray bursters. ALEXIS is a project of Los Alamos + National Laboratory and is primarily a technology development + mission that uses astrophysical sources to demonstrate the + technology. Contact project investigator Jeffrey J Bloch + (jjb@beta.lanl.gov) for more information. + + o Wind [Aug, Delta II rocket] + Satellite to measure solar wind input to magnetosphere. + + o Space Radar Lab [Sep, STS-60 SRL-01] + Gather radar images of Earth's surface. + + o Total Ozone Mapping Spectrometer [Dec, Pegasus rocket] + Study of Stratospheric ozone. + + o SFU (Space Flyer Unit) [ISAS] + Conducting space experiments and observations and this can be + recovered after it conducts the various scientific and + engineering experiments. SFU is to be launched by ISAS and + retrieved by the U.S. Space Shuttle on STS-68 in 1994. + + 1994 + o Polar Auroral Plasma Physics [May, Delta II rocket] + June, measure solar wind and ions and gases surrounding the + Earth. + + o IML-2 (STS) [NASDA, Jul 1994 IML-02] + International Microgravity Laboratory. + + o ADEOS [NASDA] + Advanced Earth Observing Satellite. + + o MUSES-B (Mu Space Engineering Satellite-B) [ISAS] + Conducting research on the precise mechanism of space structure + and in-space astronomical observations of electromagnetic waves. + + 1995 + LUNAR-A [ISAS] + Elucidating the crust structure and thermal construction of the + moon's interior. + + + Proposed Missions: + o Advanced X-ray Astronomy Facility (AXAF) + Possible launch from shuttle in 1995, AXAF is a space + observatory with a high resolution telescope. It would orbit for + 15 years and study the mysteries and fate of the universe. + + o Earth Observing System (EOS) + Possible launch in 1997, 1 of 6 US orbiting space platforms to + provide long-term data (15 years) of Earth systems science + including planetary evolution. + + o Mercury Observer + Possible 1997 launch. + + o Lunar Observer + Possible 1997 launch, would be sent into a long-term lunar + orbit. The Observer, from 60 miles above the moon's poles, would + survey characteristics to provide a global context for the + results from the Apollo program. + + o Space Infrared Telescope Facility + Possible launch by shuttle in 1999, this is the 4th element of + the Great Observatories program. A free-flying observatory with + a lifetime of 5 to 10 years, it would observe new comets and + other primitive bodies in the outer solar system, study cosmic + birth formation of galaxies, stars and planets and distant + infrared-emitting galaxies + + o Mars Rover Sample Return (MRSR) + Robotics rover would return samples of Mars' atmosphere and + surface to Earch for analysis. Possible launch dates: 1996 for + imaging orbiter, 2001 for rover. + + o Fire and Ice + Possible launch in 2001, will use a gravity assist flyby of + Earth in 2003, and use a final gravity assist from Jupiter in + 2005, where the probe will split into its Fire and Ice + components: The Fire probe will journey into the Sun, taking + measurements of our star's upper atmosphere until it is + vaporized by the intense heat. The Ice probe will head out + towards Pluto, reaching the tiny world for study by 2016. + + +NEXT: FAQ #12/15 - Controversial questions +";2;True +"From: pjs@euclid.JPL.NASA.GOV (Peter J. Scott) +Subject: Re: Orion drive in vacuum -- how? +Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, NASA/Caltech +Lines: 19 +Distribution: world +Reply-To: pjs@euclid.jpl.nasa.gov +NNTP-Posting-Host: euclid.jpl.nasa.gov + +In article <1993Apr18.014305.28536@sfu.ca>, Leigh Palmer writes: +> In article Henry Spencer, +> henry@zoo.toronto.edu writes: +> >The National Air & Space Museum has both the prototype and the film. +> >When I was there, some years ago, they had the prototype on display and +> >the film continuously repeating. +> +> Great! I'll visit the National Air and Space Museum at the end of the +> month with my wife, who was also working at General Atomic at the time. +> Once again netnews has enriched my life. + +Sorry to put a damper on your plans, but I was there three weeks ago and +it wasn't there. Not that I would have known to look for it, of course, +but I combed the space exhibits pretty thoroughly and something like that +would have caught my attention instantly. + +-- +This is news. This is your | Peter Scott, NASA/JPL/Caltech +brain on news. Any questions? | (pjs@euclid.jpl.nasa.gov) +";2;True +"From: jpc@philabs.philips.com (John P. Curcio) +Subject: Re: European expansion and our f*cked system +Originator: jpc@condor +Organization: Philips Laboratories, Briarcliff, NY 10510 +Lines: 29 + + + +|> How long would they support teams that are run on Ranger-based +|> corporate thinking (I use the term lightly). (We don't need a good +|> product because these duffuses in NYC would fill the arena for Ottawa's +|> record every year......1940!! haha (sorry, had ta say it)). + +Look how long the Maple Leafs and Nordiques used similar logic.... Not that +they fielded bad teams solely to field bad teams, but the Maple Leafs (and a +certain dead man who was in charge) were one of the cheapest teams in the +history of the sport. Guess what-- they were immensely popular at the +gate. The Nordiques have also done well for a team that had missed the +playoffs so many years in a row. + +|> Look at British (or any European) soccer as an example (they never have fan +|> problems). + +Ha! Such humor! They have MAJOR fan problems, namely that on occasion some of +them don't make it home from the match! The soccer fans tend to be fanatical, +much like the Montreal fans who firebomb the players and coaches houses when +they play pathetically. + +-JPC + +-- +------------------------------------------------------------------------------- +John P. Curcio Go Bruins! Philips Laboratories +jpc@philabs.philips.com 345 Scarborough Road +(914) 945-6442 Briarcliff Manor, NY 10510 +";13;True +"From: umturne4@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Daryl Turner) +Subject: Re: Too Many Europeans in NHL +Nntp-Posting-Host: gibson.cc.umanitoba.ca +Organization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada +Lines: 76 + +In article rauser@fraser.sfu.ca (Richard John Rauser) writes: +> +> Here's the point: there are far too many Europeans in the NHL. I am sick +>of watching a game between an American and a Canadian team (let's say, the +>Red Wings and the Canucks) and seeing names like ""Bure"" ""Konstantinov"" and +>""Borshevshky"". Is this North America or isn't it? Toronto, Detriot, Quebec, +>and Edmonton are particularly annoying, but the numbers of Euros on other +>teams is getting worse as well. + +Gee, you'd think Winnipeg would be tops on that list, what with 8 regulars +being European. + + +> +> I live in Vancouver and if I hear one more word about ""Pavel Bure, the +>Russian Rocket"" I will completely throw up. As it is now, every time I see +>the Canucks play I keep hoping someone will cross-check Bure into the plexiglassso hard they have to carry him out on a stretcher. (By the way, I'm not a +>Canucks fan to begin with ;-). + +Well, being a Jet fan, I sometimes wish that Bure would get knocked silly +too. (Nothing serious, just enough to keep him out of a game. :) + + +> +> Okay, the stretcher remark was a little carried away. But the point is that +>I resent NHL owners drafting all these Europeans INSTEAD of Canadians (and +>some Americans). It denies young Canadians the opportunity to play in THEIR +>NORTH AMERICAN LEAGUE and instead gives it to Europeans, who aren't even +>better hockey players. It's all hype. This ""European mystique"" is sickening, +>but until NHL owners get over it, Canadian and American players will continue +>to have to fight harder to get drafted into their own league. + +In most cases, the owners have very little to do with it. They give their +general managers one order when it comes to the draft...find me the best +players so that our team will win the Stanley Cup. Whether that player is +in Kindersley, Saskatchewan or Chelyabinsk, Russia, if the GM believes him +to be the better player, the GM should be drafting him. + +Where do you get off calling the NHL THEIR league, when referring to Canadian +players. It doesn't belong to them, it belongs to the owners. The owners +can do what they want. While a 'Canadian content' rule might be enforcable +here in Canada, there is enough doubt that it would be enforcable in the US +that the CFL (sorry for the football reference) didn't even TRY to push their +import ratio rule on the Sacromento Goldminers. + +Increasing the competition for the 'elite' positions, in most cases, would +make players better anyways. (Oh yeah, and how many Europeans play at the +lower levels of professional hockey in North America? While there are some +that play in the AHL, or the IHL where that's an NHL team's primary farm +club, you don't hear of many Europeans playing in the CHL, the ECHL, or on +the secondary farm teams in the IHL. (ie. the Jets do have a few Russian +players in Moncton, but I don't believe there are any Europeans in Ft. Wayne.)) +So with all those teams, there are plenty of positions for hockey players +in North America. + +> +> With the numbers of Euros in the NHL escalating, the problem is clearly +>only getting worse. +> +> I'm all for the creation of a European Hockey League, and let the Bures +>and Selannes of the world play on their own continent. +> +> I just don't want them on mine. + +I'm in favour of the NHL being the league for the premier players in the +world. I've grown up with Europeans playing on 'my' team, and some of those +players were the among the best in the world. From Hedberg, Nilsson, and +Sjoberg, to Sel{nne, Zhamnov, and Olausson, and all those in between and to +come, I wouldn't have it any other way. + +Daryl Turner : r.s.h contact for the Winnipeg Jets +Internet: umturne4@ccu.umanitoba.ca +FidoNET: 1:348/701 -or- 1:348/4 (please route through 348/700) +Tkachuk over to Zhamnov, up to Sel{nne, he shoots, he scores! +The Jets win the Cup! The Jets win the Cup! +Essensa for Vezina! Housley for Norris! Sel{nne for Calder! +";13;True +"From: kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov (Scott Dorsey) +Subject: Re: R/S Battery of the Month Club +Organization: NASA Langley Research Center and Reptile Farm +Lines: 9 +NNTP-Posting-Host: grissom.larc.nasa.gov + +In article jwaterma@jade.tufts.edu (Jason Waterman) writes: +>I talked to a friend who works for Radio Shack, and he said the deal +>with the Red Batteries were that they had too much lead in them. +>Condidering the Red Batteries had a life cycle shorter than a mayflies, +>I think the EPA was worried about all those batteries being dumped out. + +Pardon me, but why would carbon-zinc cells have any lead in them at all. +--scott + +";11;True +"From: elef@smarmy.Eng.Sun.COM (elaine 'beano' leffler) +Subject: Re: Kawi Zephyr? (was Re: Vision vs GpZ 550) +Keywords: Zephyr stock forks BAD. Mushy. Dive. +Article-I.D.: jethro.1psrdn$g3r +Reply-To: elef@smarmy.Eng.Sun.COM +Distribution: world +Organization: SunConnect +Lines: 11 +NNTP-Posting-Host: smarmy.eng.sun.com + +In article 3126@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu, asphaug@lpl.arizona.edu (Erik Asphaug x2773) writes: +>By the way Bob, er Dave (sorry!), I had read a review that said the 550 +>engine was pretty much identical to the GPz, but that the suspension +>and frame is more modern. + +the fancy piggyback shocks on the 550 (and the 750, i think. i don't +know about the zr1100) are very nice, 3-way adjustability. the forks +are crappy, they dive like MAD. i had progressive springs installed +and it made a huge difference. cheap fix, MUCH improvement. + +elef +";7;True +"From: duvvuri@flashflood.cs.odu.edu (D.V.Prakash) +Subject: Pointer/Cursor +Article-I.D.: cs.1993Apr6.151347.2339 +Organization: Old Dominion University, Norfolk, Va +Lines: 25 +Nntp-Posting-Host: flashflood.cs.odu.edu + + +Hi + +I am trying to implement a pointer feature in Xlib + +I have multiple windows and all can take input and +show output simultaneously on all other displays + +I want to implement a pointer feature + +I would like to get the pointer to come up on all windows once +I choose pointer in the menu and every one should be able +to see it + +Can you give me some hints as to how I should proceed +I am new to Xlib + + + +replies will be greatly appreciated + +Thank you + +Prakash +< duvvuri@cs.odu.edu > +";12;True +"From: rwf2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ROBERT WILLIAM FUSI) +Subject: Re: Most bang for $13k +Organization: Lehigh University +Lines: 41 + +In article <1993Apr17.014638.56998@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>, rwf2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (R +OBERT WILLIAM FUSI) writes: +>In article <23056.74.uupcb@cutting.hou.tx.us>, david.bonds@cutting.hou.tx.us (D +a +>vid Bonds) writes: +>>In rec.autos, CPKJP@vm.cc.latech.edu (Kevin Parker) writes: +>> I'd like to get some feedback on a car with most bang for the buck in the +>> $13000 to 16,000 price range. I'm looking for a car with enough civility to b +e +>> driven every day, or even on long trips, but when I hit the gas, I want to fe +e +>l +>> +>>Take a look at a '91 Taurus SHO - they can be found for ~13k, and are the +>>ultimate in 4 door sports cars. Performance similar to a Mustang, but +>>quite civil and comfortable... Try to get a late model 91 for the better +>>shifter. +>> +>> +> +>>---- +>>The Cutting Edge BBS (cutting.hou.tx.us) A PCBoard 14.5a system +>>Houston, Texas, USA +1.713.466.1525 running uuPCB +> +>>Well, you could always go with a 5.0 Mustang LX with a pleasant V8, but the +>diamond star cars (Talon/Eclipse/Laser) put out 190 hp in the turbo models, +>and 195 hp in the AWD turbo models, These cars also have handling to match +>the muscle, and are civil in regular driving conditions, rather than having a +>harsh, stiff ride....The AWD Turbo is clearly the better choice of the two +>(because of all that torque steer on the front drive model), but you may have +>to go with a leftover or ""slightly"" used model for that price range....tough +>decision... +> +> Rob Fusi +> rwf2@lehigh.edu +> +>-- +> Car and Driver did a test with the same basic idea and chose the Ford Probe +GT (5sp of course) +> +-- +";10;True +"From: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) +Subject: Re: The Cold War: Who REALLY Won? +Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc. +Lines: 28 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: dale.handheld.com + +In article <1993Apr20.220335.9235@linus.mitre.org> glover@tafs2.mitre.org +(Graham K. Glover) writes: +> If one reasons that the United States of America at one time represented +> and protected freedom << individual liberty and personal responsibility >> +> (and I do, in fact, think that this is true) and that totalitarianism << +> absolute government control and tyranny >> represents freedom's opposite +> (which it does), did the USA really win the cold war? + +Of course not. The USA's only hope is for Yelsen (how ever you spell it) to +fail the referendum, and have the hard-liners take over again. + +> +> Standard disclaimers ALWAYS apply! +> +> ---------------- +> Graham K. Glover +> ---------------- +> +> UNMUTUAL + +-- +jmd@handheld.com +------------------------------------------------------------------------------- +""I'm always rethinking that. There's never been a day when I haven't rethought +that. But I can't do that by myself."" Bill Clinton 6 April 93 +""If I were an American, as I am an Englishman, while a foreign troop was landed +in my country, I never would lay down my arms,-never--never--never!"" +WILLIAM PITT, EARL OF CHATHAM 1708-1778 18 Nov. 1777 +";3;True +"From: snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols) +Subject: Re: Braves Pitching UpdateDIR +Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated +Lines: 13 + +In article <1993Apr15.010745.1@acad.drake.edu> sbp002@acad.drake.edu writes: +>or second starter. It seems to me that when quality pitchers take the +>mound, the other teams score less runs. The team that scores the most +>runs wins. This puts the team with the better pitching at the advantage +>(providing they can stop the opposing team from scoring runs). A low +>scoring game would clearly benefit the Braves. + +Not clear to me at all. I'd certainly rather have a team who was winning +4-1 games than 2-1 games. In the 2-1 game, luck is going to play a much +bigger role than in the 4-1 game. + +Sherri Nichols +snichols@adobe.com +";14;True +"From: asper@calvin.uucp (Alan E. Asper) +Subject: Re: New to Motorcycles... +Organization: /usr/lib/news/organization +Lines: 25 +NNTP-Posting-Host: calvin.sbc.com + +In article <1993Apr20.131800.16136@alw.nih.gov> gregh@niagara.dcrt.nih.gov (Gregory Humphreys) writes: +>2) What is buying a bike going to do to my insurance? I turn 18 in +>about a month so my parents have been taking care of my insurance up +>till now, and I need a comprehensive list of costs that buying a +>motorcycle is going to insure (I live in Washington DC if that makes +>a difference) + +It depends on the bike. Once you've found a bike you're interested in, call +some insurance companies for rates. Some bikes are much cheaper to insure than +you might think (my EX-500 only costs me $127/year in St. Louis; I'm 27) +> +>3) Any recommendations on what I should buy/where I should look for it? + +For a first bike, I recommend 500cc's or less. And a bike short enough to get +both feet on the ground when you stop. + +The one piece of advice EVERYONE will give you is to take a Motorcycle Safety +Foundation Rider's Course. See a dealer for details. In some states, completion +of such a course can give you a break on insurance. It will also teach you +to ride properly from the beginning, so you won't learn any bad habits. + +Good luck. Riding a motorcycle is the most fun you can have, naked or otherwise. + +Alan + +";7;True +"From: tribe831@snake.cs.uidaho.edu (Mr. Duane Tribe; Esq.) +Subject: Underground encryption (was Re: text of White House announcement ...) +Organization: University of Idaho, Moscow +Lines: 28 +Distribution: na +NNTP-Posting-Host: snake.cs.uidaho.edu + +In article <1qmugcINNpu9@gap.caltech.edu> hal@cco.caltech.edu (Hal Finney) writes: +>It looks like the worst nightmares raised by Dorothy Denning's proposals +>are coming true. If the government continues on this course, I imagine +>that we will see strong cryptography made illegal. Encryption programs +>for disk files and email, as well as software to allow for encrypted +>voice communications, will be distributed only through the +>""underground"". People will have to learn how to hide the fact that +>they are protecting their privacy. + +Some thoughts: + +Has any work been done on encapsulating encrypted data inside ""non-encrypted"" +data files? Many file formats can be written with ""gaps"" in them to hide +other data. New file formats could be designed to have alternate data hidden +by dispersing it amongst the ""legitimate"" data. The hidden data would only +show up with the right key(s), and a file with hidden data would be +indistinguishable from one without. So, only the correct key(s) would reveal +the presence of an ""illegal"" document. + +If I devise a custom file compression algorithm and only I and a friend have +the uncompressor, and otherwise the file appears to be total gigerish, do I +have the right to transmit the file? Will we have to ""escrow"" all our data +file formats? Are gangs required to escrow their hand signals, colors and +catch phrases? + +I think that it's important to evaluate the content of electronic speach by +replacing the media with pen and paper or verbal speach and then re-ask the +question. +";16;True +"From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) +Subject: Re: Israeli Terrorism +Organization: The Department of Redundancy Department +Lines: 29 + +In article <1993Apr23.225710.10438@Virginia.EDU> ab4z@Virginia.EDU (""Andi Beyer"") writes: + +> What is a shame is that in Austria, daily reports of +>the inhuman acts commited by Israeli soldiers [...] + +It wasn't all that long ago that the acts of Israeli soldiers were +described as ""superhuman"". Now, they are ""inhuman"". Did the Israelis +change so radically so quickly or have reporting attitudes changed? + +> and the blessing +>received from the Government makes some of the Holocaust guilt +>go away. After all, look how the Jews are treating other races +>when they got power. + +When the Jews were powerless, they did what they could to help others, +which was obviously quite limited. Later, liberated American Jews +were on the forefront of the civil-rights movement. The Jewish +government of Israel rescued Jews ranging in skin color from White +Russian to Brown Yemenite to Black Ethiopian. Please, Andi, tell us +""how the Jews are treating other races when they got power."" + +>It is unfortunate. + +Your ignorance and bias are indeed unfortunate. + +-- +Jake Livni jake@bony1.bony.com Ten years from now, George Bush will +American-Occupied New York have replaced Jimmy Carter as the +My opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President. +";15;True +"From: andy@ice.stx.com (Andy Moore) +Subject: Q: How to avoid XOpenDisplay hang? +Keywords: Xlib +Reply-To: andy@ice.stx.com +Organization: Hughes STX, Lanham, MD +Lines: 13 + +I'm writing 'xwall', a simple X version of 'wall', and I want it to +put a message up on each of a default list of displays. The problem +is that XOpenDisplay hangs if one of the displays is currently +controlled by xdm (login screen). I've been through the manuals +and FAQ and don't see a simple way to see if a display is 'openable' +ahead of time, or to get XOpenDisplay to fail after a short period +of time. Any hints, suggestions, clues, or pointers to info? Thanks... + +-- +Andy Moore (andy@ice.stx.com) +_______________________________________________________________________________ +""You could say I've lost faith in the politicians/ + They all seem like game show hosts to me..."" - Sting +";12;True +"From: babb@sciences.sdsu.edu (J. Babb) +Subject: Cicuit Cellar Ink - Extras 4 Trade +Organization: SDSU - LARC +Lines: 14 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: larc.sdsu.edu + +Fellow Info-junkies, + I have an extra CCI #27 (Real Time Programming/Embedded Sensors & +Storage) and an extra CCI #32 (Voice control of telescope, among other +articles). No labels. No torn, cut-up, or missing pages. + +Would like to trade for CCI # 26, or CCI # 23, or CCI # 19 in same +condition (Labels OK). + +I mail mine you mail yours mutual trust kinda thang OK? +You don't actually throw them away, do you? + +Thanx, +Jeff Babb +babb@sciences.sdsu.edu +";11;True +"From: dwarner@journalism.indiana.edu (David J.) +Subject: Re: Why Spanky? +Nntp-Posting-Host: clove.journalism.indiana.edu +Reply-To: dwarner@journalism.indiana.edu +Organization: Indiana University +Lines: 37 + +Sherri Nichols writes +> In article <1ql93bINN1s5@postoffice1.psc.edu> boone@psc.edu (Jon Boone) +writes: +> > Spanky is too slow! If he were quicker, he would still be here. +> >But with Slaught and Tom Prince, they didn't want to lose Prince in order +> >to bring up that 11th pitcher. Slaught is about as good as Spanky and +> >Prince is coming along nicely! +> +> Tom Prince is a 28 year old no-hit catcher. Think of him as a young Dann +> Bilardello. + +Or a young Don Bordello... + +> I can't begin to fathom why the Pirates have been so afraid of +> losing this guy, who's been in AAA most of the last 5 seasons. The Pirates +> released Kirk Gibson last year because Prince was out of options, then +> eventually sent Prince down anyway, and he cleared waivers without a peep. +> He's another year older, and still can't hit; why do they think he wouldn't +> clear waivers now? Why would they care? + +There's a strong possibility that the Bucs have absolutely no other catching +prospects in the minors at this point -- at least nobody ready for any serious +AAA/majors duty. The main reason they might have stayed with Prince could be +just age, especially if Spanky was creeping toward his mid-30s or something. + +All things considered, though, I'd be a lot more comfortable with Spanky behind +the plate than Prince. Isn't there decent backup backstop out there looking +for work? + +> Sherri Nichols +> snichols@adobe.com + +-- +David J.(dwarner@journalism.indiana.edu)*****Blue Riddle Productions 1993 +*-------------------------------It's on.--------------------------------* +***""THE RAP IS AN ART EP"" is coming out on tape -- this time for real.*** +*------------------------E-mail me for the 411.-------------------------* +";14;True +"From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) +Subject: Re: Space Station Redesign, JSC Alternative #4 +Organization: U of Toronto Zoology +Lines: 10 + +In article <23APR199317452695@tm0006.lerc.nasa.gov> dbm0000@tm0006.lerc.nasa.gov (David B. Mckissock) writes: +> - Man-Tended Capability (Griffin has not yet adopted non-sexist +> language) ... + +Glad to see Griffin is spending his time on engineering rather than on +ritual purification of the language. Pity he got stuck with the turkey +rather than one of the sensible options. +-- +SVR4 resembles a high-speed collision | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology +between SVR3 and SunOS. - Dick Dunn | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry +";2;True +"From: Feng.Qian@launchpad.unc.edu (Feng Qian) +Subject: IRWIN 250 owners: don't miss this deal on tapes +Article-I.D.: samba.1993Apr6.152232.28010 +Organization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service +Lines: 16 +Nntp-Posting-Host: lambada.oit.unc.edu + + +IRWIN suggests the use of pre-formatted tapes for their tape drives, as +you often can't successfully format a tape and need bulk-erase it before +you can format it again. Anyway, I have some new, preformatted tapes for +IRWIN 250 tape drives. +IRWIN accuTRAK series 120-250MB, $16/ea. New never used. +3M DC2120, RHOMAT Format. $16/ea. Wraped. + +Email if interested. + +Feng +-- + The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of + North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information + Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service. + internet: laUNChpad.unc.edu or 152.2.22.80 +";8;True +"From: vwelch@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Von Welch) +Subject: Re: MOTORCYCLE DETAILING TIP #18 +Organization: Nat'l Ctr for Supercomp App (NCSA) @ University of Illinois +Lines: 22 + +In article <1993Apr15.164644.7348@hemlock.cray.com>, ant@palm21.cray.com (Tony Jones) writes: +|> +|> How about someone letting me know MOTORCYCLE DETAILING TIP #19 ? +|> +|> The far side of my instrument panel was scuffed when the previous owner +|> dumped the bike. Same is true for one of the turn signals. +|> +|> Both of the scuffed areas are black plastic. +|> +|> I recall reading somewhere, that there was some plastic compound you could coat +|> the scuffed areas with, then rub it down, ending with a nice smooth shiny +|> finish ? +|> + +In the May '93 Motorcyclist (pg 15-16), someone writes in and recomends using +rubberized undercoating for this. + +-- +Von Welch (vwelch@ncsa.uiuc.edu) NCSA Networking Development Group +'93 CBR600F2 '78 KZ650 '83 Subaru GL 4WD + +- I speak only for myself and those who think exactly like me - +";7;True +"From: montnaro@spyder.crd.ge.com (Skip Montanaro) +Subject: Re: Circular Motif Widgets +In-Reply-To: dev@hollywood.acsc.com's message of 16 Apr 1993 17:16:02 GMT +Nntp-Posting-Host: spyder.crd.ge.com +Reply-To: montanaro@ausable.crd.ge.com (Skip Montanaro) +Organization: GE Corporate Research & Development, Schenectady, NY +Lines: 17 + + +If you're willing to do a little work, you can make DrawnButtons do what you +want, more-or-less. One of my colleagues here at GE CRD has done just that +in our internal LYMB system. + +We have a matrix transform class that makes it easy to compute a series of +dial positions from a single set of vectors. Each set of vectors is then +drawn into a pixmap. Clicking the button advances the knob's state and +changes to the next pixmap in the sequence. + +Using DrawnButtons obviously still constrains you to taking up a rectangular +portion of the parent widget, but that's normally not a big shortcoming. You +can make things look circular enough. + +-- +Skip (montanaro@crd.ge.com) +""Why can't X be this easy?"" -- me, after learning about dlopen() +";12;True +"From: speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer) +Subject: Re: insect impacts +Organization: Louisiana Tech University +Lines: 13 +NNTP-Posting-Host: bhm116e-spc.engr.latech.edu + +In article <1993Apr6.154544.28595@rd.hydro.on.ca> jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) writes: +>In article <1ppvds$92a@seven-up.East.Sun.COM> egreen@East.Sun.COM writes: +>>In article 7290@rd.hydro.on.ca, jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) writes: +>>Every bit as fast as a dirtbike, in the right terrain. And we eat +>>flies, thank you. +>Who mentioned dirtbikes? We're talking highway speeds here. If you go 70mph +>on your dirtbike then feel free to contribute. + +Obviously never rode a good 250 or open-class bike! + + --------======= I am not paid to have an opinion! =======-------- + Dr. Speed Suzuki GS850G + DoD #8177 +";7;True +"From: pmoloney@maths.tcd.ie (Paul Moloney) +Subject: Re: Record burning... +Organization: Somewhere in the Twentieth Century +Lines: 23 + +rgolder@hoh.mbl.edu (Robert Golder) writes: + +>The movie version +>of ""The Last Temptation of Christ"" was so awful that practically no one +>would have seen it, or been influenced by its message, had not +>conservatives loudly protested its distribution. They unwittingly +>created a larger market for the movie. + +In many places, Christians were sucessful in their attempts +to get the films banned, or at least given a very restrictive +showing. + +I have no problem with Christians burning their own pieces of +art (though I find it a tragic waste). I do however have a +problem with their attempts to censor what I may or may not +view. + +P. +-- + moorcockpratchettdenislearydelasoulu2iainmbanksneworderheathersbatmanpjorourke +clive p a u l m o l o n e y Come, let us retract the foreskin of misconception +james trinity college dublin and apply the wire brush of enlightenment - GeoffM + brownbladerunnersugarcubeselectronicblaylockpowersspikeleekatebushhamcornpizza +";17;True +"From: rogerw@world.std.com (Roger A Williams) +Subject: Re: 68HC16 public domain software? +Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA +Lines: 1 + +Doesn't Motorola AMCU have something on the BBS yet? (512-891-3733) +";11;True +"From: jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton) +Subject: Re: Question: Arai Quantum-S +Organization: AT&T +Distribution: na +Lines: 30 + +In article amir@ms.uky.edu (Amir Sadr) writes: +>they way I want it to. However, I have the following problem: My chin hangs +>out from the bottom of the helmet. I am curious to know whether I would still +>have this problem if I were to switch to the extra large size? In particular, +>can anyone tell me ""for certain"", if the outer shell of the ""Arai Quantum-S"" in +>size X-large is any different (larger-rounder-etc.) than the same helmet in size +>large? Or if the inner padding/foam on the X-large is such that one's head +>fits a little deeper in the helmet, and thus one's chin would not stick out? +>This is true for the very old Arthur-Fulmer helmets that I have. Namely, my +>chin hangs out a little from the bottom of the Large helmet, and not at all +>from the X-large (but the X-large is not as snug as the large). The dealer +>is willing to replace the helmet at no additional cost (i.e. shipping), but +>I want to make sure that 1) the X-large is in fact a little bigger or linered +>such that my chin will not hang out and 2) how much looser will my head fit in +>the X-large? If anyone has recent experience with this helmet, please let me +>hear (E-mail) from you ASAP. Thank you so much. Amir- + +I'm not sure about the helmet but for chin questions you might +want to write to a: + + Jay Leno + c/o Tonight Show + Burbank Calif. + +Good luck. + +================================================================================ + Steatopygias's 'R' Us. doh#0000000005 That ain't no Hottentot. + Sesquipedalian's 'R' Us. ZX-10. AMA#669373 DoD#564. There ain't no more. +================================================================================ +";7;True +"From: behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) +Subject: Re: What about No-Fault? +Organization: NEC Systems Laboratory, Inc. +Lines: 31 + +In article <1416@galileo.rtn.ca.boeing.com> meb4593@galileo.rtn.ca.boeing.com (Michael Bain) writes: +> +>Insurance companies sure seem to go for No-Fault coverage. Since the +>majority of accidents are the cagers' fault, doesn't this imply that we +>would have to pay much higher rates under a No-Fault system? +> +>With a cars-only system, it seems to make sense on the surface: take the +>legal costs out of the system. But it looks like motorcyclists would +>get screwed. + + Yup. Unfortunately, as has been pointed out, the cost of insurance +does NOT go down with No Fault. The crappiest drivers make out like bandits +because they no longer have to bear the responsibility of paying for +insurance that they have boosted in price for themselves by being crappy +drivers. The good drivers now pay through the nose to spread the cost of +the crappy drivers' actions, and that's not fair. + + Any plan that caps rates for crappy drivers is inherently a piece of +shit, because the rest of us end up paying more. + + Any plan that uses speeding tickets as a basis for raising rates is +also a piece of shit as it is based upon the lie that faster drivers are +inherently less safe than slower drivers, and the NHTSA disproved that two +years ago now. + +Later, +-- +Chris BeHanna DoD# 114 1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady +behanna@syl.nj.nec.com 1975 CB360T - Baby Bike +Disclaimer: Now why would NEC 1991 ZX-11 - needs a name +agree with any of this anyway? I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs. +";7;True +"Subject: Re: Top Ten Reasons Not to Aid Russians +From: rcollins@ns.encore.com (Roger Collins) +Organization: Encore Computer Corporation +Nntp-Posting-Host: sysgem1.encore.com +Lines: 35 + +julie@eddie.jpl.nasa.gov (Julie Kangas) writes: +|> In article roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) writes: +|> > [With a tip of the hat to David Letterman for making the Top Ten format +|> > so popular] +|> > +|> >Top Ten Reasons that Conservatives don't want to aid Russia: +|> +|> Who? Where? +|> Don't look at me. I want to send aid to Russia. Many other +|> conservatives do as well. +|> +|> Julie +|> DISCLAIMER: All opinions here belong to my cat and no one else + +Yes, it was Nixon who was most vocal about giving money to Russia. It +makes me proud to be a libertarian. It appears both conservatives and +liberals prefer to cold war until you win, then nurse the enemy back to +health for another go around. + +It's like subsidizing the wealthy countries (Japan, Germany, etc.) with +free defense, and then trade-warring with them because of the economic +competition. It's like subsidizing tobacco farmers while paying +bureaucrats to pursuade people not to smoke. + +I ask myself, what law could we pass to prevent government from doing +stupid, frivilous things with OUR money? Then I think, the Constitution +was supposed to do that. Could someone please tell me what legitimate +constitutional power the federal government is using when it takes money +from my paycheck and gives it to needy countries? Seriously. + +Roger Collins + +""If we were directed from Washington when to sow and when to reap, + we would soon want bread."" + -- Thomas Jefferson +";18;True +"From: davidc@montagar.com (David L. Cathey) +Subject: Re: The [secret] source of that announcement +Organization: Montagar Software Concepts, Plano TX +Lines: 19 + +In article , grady@netcom.com (1016/2EF221) writes: +> Maybe we should start a newsgroup for the distribution of encrypted +> posts intended of members of affinity groups with a shared private +> key. For example at the coming up Cypherpunks meeting, a private +> key corresponding to that particular meeting could be passed out +> by a moderator. Minutes, followup comments to other participants, +> and so on could be posted to the alt.encrypted group for the use +> of the people who attended. Communiques intended by the group for +> non-attendees could of course just be signed using the private key +> but otherwises not encrypted. + + I like it. PGP would be useful, I guess. Although I don't have +a working version for VMS yet... :-( + +> grady@netcom.com 2EF221 / 15 E2 AD D3 D1 C6 F3 FC 58 AC F7 3D 4F 01 1E 2F +- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - +David L. Cathey |INET: davidc@montagar.com +Montagar Software Concepts |UUCP: ...!montagar!davidc +P. O. Box 260772, Plano TX 75026-0772 |Fone: (214)-618-2117 +";16;True +"From: beck@irzr17.inf.tu-dresden.de (Andre Beck) +Subject: Re: Title for XTerm +Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, TU Dresden, Germany. +Lines: 14 +Distribution: world +Reply-To: Andre_Beck@IRS.Inf.TU-Dresden.DE +NNTP-Posting-Host: irzr17.inf.tu-dresden.de + + +Yet again, + +the escape sequences you are speaking about here are non standard and +dangerous. In fact, an ANSI compliant sequence parser HANGS on them. + +Why are there such strange ESC sequences instead of compatible DSC ? + +-- ++-o-+--------------------------------------------------------------+-o-+ +| o | \\\- Brain Inside -/// | o | +| o | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ | o | +| o | Andre' Beck (ABPSoft) mehl: Andre_Beck@IRS.Inf.TU-Dresden.de | o | ++-o-+--------------------------------------------------------------+-o-+ +";12;True +"From: dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) +Subject: Public Service Translation No.2 +Summary: A Call to Action +Keywords: effective Greek & Armenian postings +Organization: S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies +Lines: 61 + +Subject: Re: NETTEKI BUTUN VATANSEVERLERE DUYURU.... + +In article <1993Apr13.090647.2507@freenet.carleton.ca> aa624@Freenet.carleton. +ca (Suat Kiniklioglu) [a.k.a. Kubilay Kultigin] continues... + +[KK] BUTUN NETTEKI ARKADASLARA DUYURU.... +[KK] +[KK] (SIYASI PLATFORMUN HANGI ""TARAFINDA OLURSANIZ OLUN"") +[KK] +[KK] BUGUNLERDE BU NETTE OLSUN, TALK.POLITICS.MIDEAST VE TALK.POLITICS. +[KK] SOVIET'TE OLSUN OLAGAN DAN FAZLA VE ""ETKIN"" ERMENI VE YUNAN +[KK] POSTINGLERI YAZILMAKTADIR. BU YAZILARIN COGU GUNCEL KARABAG +[KK] KIBRIS VE BOSNA KONULARINDA YOGUNLASMAKTADIR. BURADAN HAREKETLE +[KK] ""HEPIMIZIN"" BIRAZ DAHA AKTIF OLMASI VE ""USENMEYIP"" CEVAP YAZMASI +[KK] OLDUKCA FAYDALI OLACAKTIR. +[KK] +[KK] EVET, HERKESIN ISI GUCU VAR...AKADEMIK YILIN YOGUN BIR DONEMI +[KK] FAKAT MEYDANI BOS BIRAKMAMANIN VE ULKEMIZIN CIKARLARINI ""IDEOLOJIK +[KK] PLATFORMDA"" GOZETMENIN DE SORUMLULUGU VAR... +[KK] +[KK] YARINLARIN CAGDAS VE GUCLU TURKIYESI'NI HEP BERABER KURMAK UMUDUYLA, +[KK] +[KK] SAYGILAR, + +[KK] Kubilay Kultigin + +[KK] ***** VATAN SEVGISI RUHLARI KIRDEN KURTARAN EN KUVVETLI RUZGARDIR ***** + +In translation, as a public service: + +Subject: AN ANNOUNCEMENT TO ALL PATRIOTS ON THE NET... + +AN ANNONCEMENT TO ALL FRIENDS ON THE NET... + +(REGARDLESS OF ""WHEREVER YOU STAND"" ON THE POLITICAL SPECTRUM) + +IN RECENT DAYS ARMENIAN AND GREEK POSTINGS OF THAN THE USUAL IN NUMBER AND +""EFFECTIVENESS"" ARE BEING WRITTEN BOTH ON THIS NET AND THE TALK.POLITICS. +MIDEAST AND TALK.POLITICS.SOVIET. MOST OF THESE WRITINGS CONCENTRATE ON THE +SUBJECTS OF KARABAGH, CYPRUS AND BOSNIA. DUE TO THIS FACT, IT IS QUITE USEFUL +FOR ""US ALL"" BE MORE ACTIVE AND ""NOT FEEL RELUCTANT"" TO RESPOND. + +YES, EVERYBODY HAS HIS/HER OCCUPATION...IT IS A BUSY PERIOD IN THE ACADEMIC +YEAR. HOWEVER, [WE MUST] HAVE A RESPONSIBILTY NOT TO LEAVE THE FORUM EMPTY AND +WATCH THE INTERESTS OF OUR COUNTRY ON THE ""IDEOLOGICAL LEVEL""... + +IN THE HOPE OF BUILDING TOGETHER A MODERN AND POWERFUL TURKEY OF TOMORRROW. + +REGARDS, + +Kubilay Kultigin + +***** THE LOVE OF THE FATHERLAND IS THE STRONGEST OF ALL WINDS CLEANSING FILTH +OFF SOULS ***** + + +-- +David Davidian dbd@urartu.sdpa.org | ""How do we explain Turkish troops on +S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies | the Armenian border, when we can't +P.O. Box 382761 | even explain 1915?"" +Cambridge, MA 02238 | Turkish MP, March 1992 +";15;True +"From: earlw@apple.com (Earl Wallace) +Subject: Re: With Friends Like These -- L. Neil Smith +Organization: Apple Computer Inc. ESD/OSBU/Cross-Platform Software +Lines: 17 +NNTP-Posting-Host: apple.com + + + >> Look, if you can figure out a reliable means of keeping guns away from + >> bad people, while not interfering with good people, I think we'd all be + >> for it. The problem is, the methods we're using now don't do the trick. + + > Don't manufacture them. Don't sell them. Don't import them. + > + > Some guns will get through, but far fewer, and far less people will + > die because of them. Hunting weapons could be allowed, of course, as + > long as they are big, and bulky, and require reloading after a few + > shots (how many times can you shoot at the same animal, anyways One + > assumes they are moving!) + +A better solution: + + If the 'bad' people can't be trusted with guns, then lock them or knock + them off. Stop punishing good people. +";3;True +"From: sylveste@ecs.umass.edu +Subject: Re: Ultimate AWD vehicles +Lines: 24 + +In article , eliot@lanmola.engr.washington.edu (eliot) writes: +> In article <1q34huINNjrv@uwm.edu> qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu writes: +>> Subarus don't sell that well, although the percentage of Subes purchased +>> with AWD is probably relatively high. +> +> 56% of all subarus sold are 4wd/awd. +> +>> Audi is backing down on the number +>> of models it offers with AWD. Before, one could purchase an 80 or 90 with +>> AWD, but now it is reserved strictly for the top line model; the same goes +>> for the 100/200. +> +> the 80/80Q has been eliminated from the US lineup, but the 90 is still +> available in quattro version, though it is hardly cheap. they are +> still true to their pledge of making 4wd an option on their entire +> line of cars. now, if only they will bring in the s4 wagon.. +> +> eliot + +Before the S4 became the S4 it was called the 200 turbo quattro 20v. +This model did come in a wagon, a very quick wagon. Very rare also. + + Mike Sylvester Umass + +";10;True +"From: kedz@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (John Kedziora) +Subject: Motorcycle wanted. +Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute +Lines: 11 +Expires: 5/1/93 +NNTP-Posting-Host: bigwpi.wpi.edu + +Followup-To:kedz@wpi.wpi.edu +Distribution: ne +Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute +Keywords: + +I am looking for an inexpensive motorcycle, nothing fancy, have to be able to do all maintinence my self. looking in the <$400 range. + +if you can help me out, GREAT!, please reply by e-mail. + + +";8;True +"From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) +Subject: Re: My New Diet --> IT WORKS GREAT !!!! +Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) +Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science +Lines: 17 + + +In article <1993Apr13.093300.29529@omen.UUCP> caf@omen.UUCP (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) writes: +> +>""Weight rebound"" is a term used in the medical literature on +>obesity to denote weight regain beyond what was lost in a diet +>cycle. There are any number of terms which mean one thing to + +Can you provide a reference to substantiate that gaining back +the lost weight does not constitute ""weight rebound"" until it +exceeds the starting weight? Or is this oral tradition that +is shared only among you obesity researchers? + +-- +---------------------------------------------------------------------------- +Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and +geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" +---------------------------------------------------------------------------- +";4;True +"From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) +Subject: Re: some thoughts. +Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena +Lines: 37 +NNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu +Keywords: Dan Bissell + +bissda@saturn.wwc.edu (DAN LAWRENCE BISSELL) writes: + +>First I want to start right out and say that I'm a Christian. + +Well, this is alt.atheism. I hope you arent here to try to convert anyone. + +>It makes sense to be one. + +Many would disagree. + +[...] +>The book says that Jesus was either a liar, or he was crazy ( a +>modern day Koresh) or he was actually who he said he was. + +Well, you shouldn't give any particular book too much weight. Actually, +I don't think that any of these statements is correct. It is more likely +that most of Jesus' fame was attributed to him after his death by those +who had some strong motives... + +[...] +>Some other things to note. He fulfilled loads of prophecies in +>the psalms, Isaiah and elsewhere in 24 hrs alone. + +What's a prophecy, and what's so significant about them? + +>I don't think most people understand what a Christian is. + +I think we understand. + +>It is certainly not what I see a lot in churches. Rather I think it +>should be a way of life, and a total sacrafice of everything for God's +>sake. + +Well, sell your computer and donate you life to your religion now... +Don't waste any time. + +keith +";9;True +"From: bharper@cimlinc.uucp (Brett Harper) +Subject: GUI Application Frameworks for Windows ?? +Organization: CIMLINC, Inc. - Engineering +Lines: 63 + +Hello, + + I'm investigating the purchase of an Object Oriented Application Framework. I have +come across a few that look good: + + Zapp 1.1 from Inmark + Zinc 3.5 from Zinc software + C++/Views from Liant + Win++ from Blaise + +Some considerations I'm using: + + Being new to Windows programming (I'm from the UNIX/X world), the quality and +intuitivness of the abstraction that these class libraries provide is very +important. However, since I'm not adverse to learning the internals of Windows +programming, the new programming methodology should be closely aligned with +the native one. I don't believe arbitrary levels of abstraction, just for the +sake of changing the API, are valuable. + + Since we will be developing for the 32bit Windows NT system the +memory management issues and issues particular to the Windows 3.1 API are less +important. + + We will probably buy another C++ class library (something like Tools.h++ or Booch +components from Rational) to handle data structures and other miscellaneous stuff + (allocators etc...). So those features are not that important for this toolkit to have. + +The two that I have narrowed it down to are ZApp and Zinc, they seem to be the two +toolkits that have received the most attention from the media. I was wondering if +anyone had any first-hand experience with any of these toolkits (especially ZApp and Zinc). + +A couple of observations about these toolkits that seem particularly noteworthy are: + +ZApp +---- + Seems to have the most extensive coverage of Windows functionality and + also includes some other miscellaneous useful classes. + Has new fancy 3D-style controls available, and support for custom controls. + Has a Windows NT version (Essential) + Redirectable graphics display/output architecture (useful for printing) + Sizer class for automatically managing control layout after resize. + Seems to be the newcomer, this could be an advantage in designing a better system. + +Zinc +---- + Has a platform independent resource strategy. (Not too important for me right now) + Comes with a interface builder tool + Has a Windows NT version (Essential) + Seems to have been around longer (more mature), but grew up out of a DOS version. + Had a better demo :-) + +Both have source code availability options +Both are lacking OLE support +Neither seem to have any particular support for multimedia type stuff + + +Any thoughts anyone has on this would be much appreciated, + +Thanks, + Brett Harper + + +brett.harper@cimlinc.com +";6;True +"From: sun075!Gerry.Palo@uunet.uu.net (Gerry Palo) +Subject: Re: Christianity and repeated lives +Lines: 84 + +In article JEK@cu.nih.gov writes: +>Gerry Palo writes: +> +> > ...there is nothing in Christianity that precludes the idea of +> > repeated lives on earth. +> +>The Apostle Paul (Romans 9:11) points out that God chose Jacob +>rather than Esau to be the ancestor of the Covenant People and +>ultimately of the Messiah, and that He made this choice while the +>two boys were still in their mother's womb, and therefore could not +>possibly have done anything good or evil to deserve their appointed +>destinies. If we admit the possibility that they had lived previous +>lives, and that (in accordance with the Asiatic idea of ""karma"") +>their present lives are a reward or punishment for past behaviour, +>this makes nonsense of Paul's whole point. +> + +The existence of repeated earth lives and destiny (karma) does not +mean that everything that happens is predetermined by past deeds. +There is an oriental view of it that tends in that direction, but I +did not subscribe to that view. God may choose one individual over +another as the fit instrument for his plans, but that does not +preclude that the development of that individual into what he is in +this earthly life is not the result of a longer course of development. + +I do not, and Rudolf Steiner did not, subscribe to the oriental view +of an inexorable, mechanistic karma determining everything that +befalls one. This is a kind of shriveled caricature of a much greater +law in the context of which the deed of Christ on Golgotha and the +ultimate salvation and freedom of the human being as a working of +Christ can be seen as the master theme and, indeed, a new impulse that +was completely free of karma. Christ incarnated only once in the +flesh, and in that he had no debt of karma or sin. The oriental +concepts of reincarnation and karma, which are even more trivialized +and mechanized in some new age teachings, incorrectly assume Jesus +Christ to have been the reincarnation of a master. avatar, etc. +Their teaching of reincarnation and karma also has no concept the +continuing individuality from one life to the next (e.g. Buddhism). +More important, they have no concept of the resurrection of the body, +the ultimate continuity of the whole human being -- to ultimate +resurrection and judgement on the Last Day. + +There is another biblical passage that also has a bearing. It is the +tenth chapter of John, devoted almost entirely to the man born blind. +Clearly here, Jesus tells the disciples that it was not his past karma +or that of his parents that led to his blindness, but rather that a +new impulse is to be revealed through him. But note that he does not +refute the disciples' question. In fact, they ask it as a matter of +course, the question being stated as if it were self evident that only +one of two possibilities existed - it was either the sins of the man +himself, obviously not in this incarnation, or the sins of his +parents. The fact that they even asked about the first possibility at +all indicates an awareness of the idea on their part and the form of +Christ's answer indicates that he did not disagree with it. + +There is also Matthew 11:14, where Jesus says straight out about John +the Baptist, + + ""If you care to accept it, he himself is Elias, who was to come."" + +This also emphasizes that the Gospels do not have a positive teaching +either way about reincarnation -- or, in fact, about what happens to +the human being at all between death and the Last Day. Even Jesus did +not push this teaching on people who were not ready to embrace it (""If +you care to accept it""). So I took care to point out, not that the +Bible teaches reincarnation but that it does not deny it either, and +that much in both scripture and fundamental Christian doctrine becomes +understandable if reincarnation is understood in the right way. I +pointedly used ""repeated earth lives"" to distinguish a little from the +oriental doctrines usually associated with the word ""reincarnation"". +The phrase is Rudolf Steiner's (wiederholte Erdenleben). He noted too +that the idea needed to arise as a new insight in the west, completely +free from eastern tradition. It did in the eighteenth and nineteenth +centuries, the most important expression of it being Lessing's ""The +Education of the Human Race"". + +To return to your original point, Paul's statement about Jacob and +Esau does not contradict the idea of repeated earth lives and karma. +And both of these principles receive their fulfillment in the +incarnation, death, and resurrection, ascension and return of Jesus +Christ, in my view. + +Regards, +Gerry Palo (73237.2006@compuserve.com) +";17;True +"From: ygoland@wright.seas.ucla.edu (The Jester) +Subject: Re: Don't fight Clipper Chip, subvert or replace it ! +Distribution: na +Lines: 44 + +The Clipper chip is just the culmination of Dorthy Denning et all. +But lets ignore that for the moment. + +The fundamental question is:Can the government stop me from using +encryption? + +Ignoring for the moment the question of patented processes (such as +Public Keys), can the government stop me from using an encryption +process? + +If the answer is yes then what freedom we have in this country is +truly gone and its time to get out the guns or the lawyers +(depending upon which causes more damage and to whom). + +However assuming that I can still encrypt things as I please, who +cares about the clipper chip? As far as I'm concerned a phone line +is insecure PERIOD. I don't care if they encrypt it 10 ways from +sunday, if I didn't do the encrypting, I don't trust it. This is the +attitude that everyone else should have. Instead of worrying about a +clipper chip, simply connect your handset to your computer and feed +the voice single through, process, encrypt, and transmit over the +phone. The guy on the other hand then does the same in reverse. + +Can't work you say? No Standard you say? Obviously you have never +uses PGP. + +Anyone who expects the government to protect their freedoms is +kidding themselves. Only you can protect your own freedoms. + +One final thought addressed to EFF: + 1.Do you support the implementation of ANY form of + encryption where the encryption key must be revealed? + 2.If you do, why? If not, why? + 3.What SPECIFIC actions are you planning to take to either + support or stop this proposal? + 4.If you do not support this proposal, what alternatives do + you offer? + + The Jester +-- +Proof Windows is a Virus:It is very widespread, It eats up your disk +space, It slows down your computer, It takes control over your +computer, It performs disk access at random times, It displays silly +messages on your screen, It randomly crashes the computer-Vesselin +";16;True +"From: SteveWall@aol.com (Steve Wall) +Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)... +Organization: Anhedonics Anonymous +Lines: 22 +Nntp-Posting-Host: hipmac1.pica.army.mil + +In article <1993Apr15.173851.25846@convex.com>, tobias@convex.com (Allen +Tobias) wrote: +> +> +> Society, as we have known it, it coming apart at the seams! The basic reason +> is that human life has been devalued to the point were killing someone is +> ""No Big Deal"". Kid's see hundreds on murderous acts on TV, we can abort +> children on demand, and kill the sick and old at will. So why be surprised +> when some kids drop 20 lbs rocks and kill people. They don't care because the +> message they hear is ""Life is Cheap""! +> +I think this is getting a little overheated. Highway robbers have been a +part of life since the Middle Ages at least. It's human nature to look +at history through rose colored glasses, but random acts of violence have +been a ceaseless part of our heritage. Overall, life is better now than it +ever was then. It's just that random individual acts of violence have +never +been historically significant, and record keeping in the past was never +good +enough to retain them all. + +Steve Wall +";10;True +"From: petrack@vnet.IBM.COM +Subject: changing port buffer size in ZTerm +Reply-To: petrack@vnet.IBM.COM +Disclaimer: This posting may contain no views at all +News-Software: Usenet 3.1 +Lines: 21 + +Some kind soul told me that I could change the serial port buffer size +of Zterm via ResEdit. He did not tell me HOW I could change it using +ResEdit, and I have lost his e-mail address. + +Could he or any one else please tell me what to do? + +I assume that the relevant resource is zSet, but I do not know, and +I have no template for that resource. If you have a TMPL for the correct +resource, I would be grateful to receive it. That way, I could play around +a bit and maybe get my Duo to do something useful with its serial port. +(other than Appletalk). + +BTW, I believe that when the port stats says that maximum in buffer is +3074 bytes, that that means increasing the buffer will help, if you are +using hardware handshaking. I can cram text data pretty fast into my Duo, +and can monitor that CTS is being lowered, but the buffer never gets beyond +3074 (out of 4096) bytes. Makes sense to me. + +Scott Petrack +Petrack@haifasc3.vnet.ibm.com + +";0;True +"From: prb@access.digex.com (Pat) +Subject: Re: Proton/Centaur? +Organization: Express Access Online Communications USA +Lines: 15 +NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net + +In article <1993Apr20.211638.168730@zeus.calpoly.edu> jgreen@trumpet.calpoly.edu (James Thomas Green) writes: +>Has anyone looked into the possiblity of a Proton/Centaur combo? + + +I don't know a whole lot on Proton, but given that it is a multi stage +rocket, up to 4 stages, it may not really need the Centaur, plus +it may end up seriously beating on said centaur. + +Also, the centaur is not small, unless the Proton has an oversize +shroud you may not be able to get the centaur in under it. + +Dennis, you know much about this? + +pat + +";2;True +"From: system@kalki33.lakes.trenton.sc.us (Kalki Dasa) +Subject: Bhagavad-Gita 2.45 +Organization: Kalki's Infoline BBS, Aiken, SC, USA +Lines: 62 + + TEXT 45 + + trai-gunya-visaya veda + nistrai-gunyo bhavarjuna + nirdvandvo nitya-sattva-stho + niryoga-ksema atmavan + +trai-gunya--pertaining to the three modes of material nature; +visayah--on the subject matter; vedah--Vedic literatures; +nistrai-gunyah--transcendental to the three modes of material nature; +bhava--be; arjuna--O Arjuna; nirdvandvah--without duality; +nitya-sattva-sthah--in a pure state of spiritual existence; +niryoga-ksemah--free from ideas of gain and protection; +atma-van--established in the self. + + TRANSLATION + + The Vedas deal mainly with the subject of the three modes of material +nature. O Arjuna, become transcendental to these three modes. Be free +from all dualities and from all anxieties for gain and safety, and be +established in the self. + + PURPORT + + All material activities involve actions and reactions in the three +modes of material nature. They are meant for fruitive results, which +cause bondage in the material world. The Vedas deal mostly with fruitive +activities to gradually elevate the general public from the field of +sense gratification to a position on the transcendental plane. Arjuna, +as a student and friend of Lord Krsna, is advised to raise himself to +the transcendental position of Vedanta philosophy where, in the +beginning, there is brahma-jijnasa, or questions on the supreme +transcendence. All the living entities who are in the material world are +struggling very hard for existence. For them the Lord, after creation of +the material world, gave the Vedic wisdom advising how to live and get +rid of the material entanglement. When the activities for sense +gratification, namely the karma-kanda chapter, are finished, then the +chance for spiritual realization is offered in the form of the +Upanisads, which are part of different Vedas, as the Bhagavad-gita is a +part of the fifth Veda, namely the Mahabharata. The Upanisads mark the +beginning of transcendental life. + + As long as the material body exists, there are actions and reactions in +the material modes. One has to learn tolerance in the face of dualities +such as happiness and distress, or cold and warmth, and by tolerating +such dualities become free from anxieties regarding gain and loss. This +transcendental position is achieved in full Krsna consciousness when one +is fully dependent on the good will of Krsna. + +Bhagavad-Gita As It is +Books of A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami + + + --------------------------------------------------------- + | Don't forget to chant: | + | | + | Hare Krishna Hare Krishna, Krishna Krishna Hare Hare | + | Hare Rama Hare Rama, Rama Rama Hare Hare | + | | + | Kalki's Infoline BBS Aiken, South Carolina, USA | + | (system@kalki33.lakes.trenton.sc.us) | + --------------------------------------------------------- +";19;True +"From: dtodd@titan.ucs.umass.edu (David M. Todd) +Subject: Swap boot drive on 486 +Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst +Lines: 11 +Reply-To: David.Todd@Psych.UMass.EDU +NNTP-Posting-Host: titan.ucs.umass.edu + + +I have a 486 machine with a 3.5"" A: drive and a 5.25"" B: drive. I +want to swap them so 3.5"" drive is A: What do I have to do? + +TIA + + +|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ David M. Todd ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| +|Department of Psychology, University of Massachusetts, Amherst, MA 01003 USA| +|Phone: 413/545-0158 ___ ____ Fax: 413/545-0996| + +";5;True +"From: Minh Lang +Subject: Re: Gov't break-ins (Re: 60 minutes) +Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory +Lines: 23 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.149.109.37 +X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d17 +X-XXDate: Mon, 5 Apr 93 16:17:37 GMT + +In article <1993Apr5.155733.114@pasadena-dc.bofa.com> , +franceschi@pasadena-dc.bofa.com writes: +> In Viet Nam, Lt Calley was tried and convicted of murder because his +> troops, in a war setting, deliberately killed innocent people. It is +time +> that the domestic law enforcement agencies in this country adhere to +> standards at least as moral as the military's. + +No, Lt Calley was later acquitted. His troops killed 400-500 +people, including kids, elderly and women... I sure don't want +to see the domestic law enforcement agencies in this country +adhere to those ""military standards""... If they did, we're +all in big trouble...(The My Lai massacre was covered up +by high-ranking officials and ALL who were involved were +ACQUITTED). + + == Minh == + ++------------------------------------------------------------+ + Minh Lang, Software Engineer - Jet Propulsion Laboratory + Instrumentation Systems Group - Instrumentation section 375 + Note: My employer has nothing to do with what I said here... ++------------------------------------------------------------+ +";3;True +"From: hanguyen@megatest.com (Ha Nguyen) +Subject: Re: Changing oil by self. +Organization: Megatest Corporation +Lines: 22 + +In article <1993Apr14.203800.12566@progress.com> damelio@progress.COM (Stephen D'Amelio) writes: +>bmoss@grinch.sim.es.com (Brent ""Woody"" Moss) writes: +> +>>You could take a screw driver and hammer and start punching holes in +>>various locations and when some black slippery stuff starts pouring +>>out then you would know that the oil drain plug is nearby (within a foot +>>or two anyway). Close the holes with toilet paper before refileing with oil +>>though. +> +>You have to *refill* the engine with oil! Wow, no wonder I can't get +>an engine to last more than my first oil change. Don't forget to +>punch holes in the radiator too, it will spray nice refreshing water + ^^^^^^^^ +>on the engine and keep it nice & cool. ;-) +> +>-Steve + +Gee, you really make me confused. What is radiator? Where is it located? +What does it look like? Will it release any radiation (since it sounds +like radia-tion genera-tor) when you punch holes? + +hanguyen +";10;True +"From: radley@gibbs.oit.unc.edu (Keith Radley) +Subject: Electronics +Summary: VCR and AMP +Nntp-Posting-Host: gibbs.oit.unc.edu +Organization: University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill +Distribution: usa +Lines: 18 + +Curtis Mathes VHS VCR Remote included and it works with universal remotes. + 2 heads, Works great but I replaced it with a Stereo VCR. + paid $300 years ago, will sell for $125 delivered OBO. + +Radio Shack stereo amp. 2 inputs, tone, and left and right volume. Speakers + not included. Compact 12W unit for $20 plus shipping. Great for Amiga + Stereo output or Soundblaster output. + +If you are interested in either of the above mail me, Keith, at +radley@gibbs.oit.unc.edu or call me at 919-968-7779. + +I did have these sold but both deals fell thru so if you are still +interested in either email or call me. + _ + _ // Major: Computer Science /The same folks now have out LBL (Little Big Lan) for $75. I think you +>get it for $50 if you already own $25 Network. LBL works with Arcnet, +>parallel ports, and serial ports in any combination for up to 250 or so +>nodes. + + LBL now offers ethernet support also, although presently it is limited +to NE1000/NE2000 style boards. LBL owners can get an update for $8.50. +-- +Ray Berry kb7ht ray@ole.cdac.com rjberry@eskimo.com 73407.3152@compuserve.com +";11;True +"From: tomca@microsoft.com (Tom B. Carey) +Subject: Re: Science and methodology (was: Homeopathy ... tradition?) +Organization: Microsoft Corporation +Lines: 31 + +sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com (Gary Merrill) writes: +> +>ted@marvin.dgbt.doc.ca (Ted Grusec) writes: +>|> Gary: By ""extra-scientific"" I did not mean to imply that hypothesis +>|> generation was not, in most cases extremely closely tied to the +>|> state of knowledge within a scientific area. I meant was that there +>|> was no ""scientific logic"" involved in the process. It is inductive, +>|> not deductive. +> +>I am further puzzled by the proposed distinction between ""scientific +>logic"" and ""inductive logic"". At this point I don't have a clue +>what you mean by ""extra-scientific"" -- unless you mean that at *some* +>times someone seems to come up with an idea that we can't trace to +>prior theories, concepts, knowledge, etc. This is a fairly common +>observation, but just for grins I'd like to see some genuine examples. + +OK, just for grins: +- Kekule hypothesized a resonant structure for the aromatic benzene +ring after waking from a dream in which a snake was swallowing his tail. +- Archimedes formalized the principle of buoyancy while meditating in +his bath. + +In neither case was there ""no connection to prior theories, concepts, etc."" +as you stipulated above. What there was was an intuitive leap beyond +the current way of thinking, to develop ideas which subsequently proved +to have predictive power (e.g., they stood the test of experimental +verification). + +pardon my kibbutzing... + +Tom +";4;True +"From: johnson@trwacs.fp.trw.com (Steve Johnson) +Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. +Organization: TRW Systems Division, Fairfax VA +Distribution: na +Lines: 65 + +tcmay@netcom.com (Timothy C. May) writes: + +>Brad Templeton (brad@clarinet.com) wrote: +>: It occurs to me that if they get a wiretap order on you, and the escrow +>: houses release your code to the cops, your code is now no longer secure. +>: +>: It's in the hands of cops, and while I am sure most of the time they are +>: good, their security will not be as good as the escrow houses. +>: +>: What this effectively means is that if they perform a wiretap on you, +>: at the end of the wiretap, they should be obligated to inform you that +>: a tap was performed, and replace (for free) the clipper chip in your +>: cellular phone so that it is once again a code known only to the +>: escrow houses. + +>Getting the court order to reveal the key *also* makes decipherable +>all *past* conversations (which may be on tape, or disk, or whatver), +>as I understand the proposal. I could be wrong, but I've seen no +>mention of ""session keys"" being the escrowed entities. + +>As the EFF noted, this raises further issues about the fruits of one +>bust leading to incrimination in other areas. + +>But is it any worse than the current unsecure system? It becomes much +>worse, of course, if the government then uses this ""Clinton Clipper"" +>to argue for restrictions on unapproved encryption. (This is the main +>concern of most of us, I think. The camel's nose in the tent, etc.) + +>And it may also become much worse if the ostensible security is +>increased, thus allowing greater access to ""central office"" records by +>the government (the conversations being encrypted, who will object to +>letting the government have access to them, perhaps even automatically +>archiving large fractions...). This was one of the main objections to +>the S.266 proposal, that it would force telecom suppliers to provide +>easy access for the government. + +>One the government has had access to months or years of your encrypted +>conversations, now all it takes is one misstep, one violation that +>gets them the paperwork needed to decrypt *all* of them! + +>Do we want anyone to have this kind of power? + +>-Tim May, whose sig block may get him busted in the New Regime + + A remark I heard the other day is beginning to take on increasingly +frightening significance. The comment was made that ""In other parts +of the world the Democrats [note the big ""D""] would be known as +Socialists"" + + A [note the small ""d""] democrat who wonders what Thomas Jefferson, on +this the 250th anniversary of his birth, would have thought of the state +of affairs between the government and the governed. + + +------- Any views expressed are those of myself and not my employer. -------- +Steven C. Johnson, WB3IRU / VK2GDS | +TRW | johnson@trwacs.fp.trw.com +FP1 / 3133 | [129.193.172.90] +1 Federal Systems Park Drive | Phone: +1 (703) 968.1000 +Fairfax, Virginia 22033-4412 U.S.A. | Fax: +1 (703) 803.5189 +-- +------- Any views expressed are those of myself and not my employer. -------- +Steven C. Johnson, WB3IRU / VK2GDS | +TRW | johnson@trwacs.fp.trw.com +FP1 / 3133 | [129.193.172.90] +";16;True +"From: mike@drd.com (Mike.Rovak) +Subject: workaround for Citizen drivers +Summary: workaround +Keywords: printer driver Citizen PN48 GSX-140 +Organization: DRD Corporation +Lines: 38 + +I have been experiencing several end-user problems with various commercial +software packages (WordPerfect 5.2/WIN, Publish It!/WIN 3.1) and printing +landscape mode on a Citizen PN48 (the little guy) or the Citizen GSX-140+. + +In a nutshell the problem is that I lose the first 0.625 inches of +information from my left margin, be it white space or TrueType font +output, and margins are not preserved on subsequent pages past the +first. + +WordPerfect had a workaround consisting of using the ""Default"" location +for the printers instead of ""Tractor"" or ""Manual"". They have also filed +this as a bug and are continuing to investigate it. + +MS Write, of course, has no problem with these printer drivers, proving that +Microsoft knows something the rest of us don't! Are you surprised? I'm +not. + +Publish It!/WIN is still investigating this problem, and while I was consider- +my options (rejecting the one about buying an $800 DTP package, for *surely* +they wouldn't have this problem, right?) I stumbled onto a global workaround. + +WORKAROUND +---------- +Go into the Windows 3.1 control panel, select printers, select your Citizen +printer driver, select SETUP, and select a custom size of 850 x 1132. Like +magic, all of your problems will go away. + +Ask me no questions and I'll tell you no lies! + +-- Mike + + +------------------------------------------------------------------------ +Disclaimer: My opinions do not necessarily reflect those of my employer. +======================================================================== +------------------------------------------------------------------------ + mike.rovak@drd.com +======================================================================== +";6;True +"From: jkellett@netcom.com (Joe Kellett) +Subject: Re: Opinions asked about rejection +Organization: Netcom +Lines: 22 + +William Mayne (mayne@pipe.cs.fsu.edu) wrote: +: In article jayne@mmalt.guild.org (Jayne Kulikauskas) writes: + +: >People who reject God don't want to be wth Him in heaven. We spend our +: >lives choosing to be either for Him or against Him. God does not force +: >Himself on us. + +: I must say that I am shocked. My impression has been that Jayne Kulikaskas +: usually writes this much less offensive and ludicrous than this. I am not +: saying that the offensiveness is intentional, but it is clear and it is +: something for Christians to consider. + +Jayne stands in pretty good company. C.S. Lewis wrote a whole book +promoting the idea contained in her first sentence quoted above. It is +called ""The Final Divorce"". Excellent book on the subject of Heaven and +Hell, highly recommended. It's an allegory of souls who are invited, indeed +beseeched to enter Heaven, but reject the offer because being with God in +Heaven means giving up their false pride. + +-- +Joe Kellett +jkellett@netcom.com +";17;True +"From: hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Brian V. Hughes) +Subject: Re: Centris 650 Math CoProcessor option +Reply-To: hades@Dartmouth.Edu +Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH +Disclaimer: Personally, I really don't care who you think I speak for. +Distribution: usa +Moderator: Rec.Arts.Comics.Info +Lines: 40 + +David_Anthony_Guevara@cup.portal.com writes: + +>Sorry if this is a FAQ. I don't normally read comp.sys.mac.hardware. +>I am purchasing a couple of Centris 650's. I configured the systems +>as follows: + +> Eight (8) Mb RAM +> Ethernet +> 1 Mb VRAM +> Math CoProcessor option + +>My purchasing agent told me about the math coprocessor option and sent +>me the Apple summary documentation to prove it. I ordered the coprocessor +>option, but I'm really not sure that we needed it. I thought the '040 chip +>had a math coprocessor built into it. Has Apple had a math coprocessor chip +>architectured to keep up with the speed of the '040 chip in the Centris 650? +>I am concerned that I may have set up a hardware bottleneck. + + Apple has really confused people with this whole thing. I think +we'll be answering this question for about the next year or so. There is +no ""option"" to get an FPU on a C650. What you have is a choice of CPUs: +there is the 68LC040 that does not have an integrated FPU like the full +'040 and is only present in the base 4/80 model of the C650 (AppleUSA). +And there is the full '040 which you get when you order anything other +than the base 4/80 configuration. Therefore, since you have ordered one +of the 8MB versions with on-board Ethernet models you will not be +getting the LC040. But even if you wanted to have the LC040 you wouldn't +be able to order a C650 with 8MB RAM, on-board Ethernet and an LC040. +It's not an ""option."" + Also, a note to people out there that have 4/80 C650s and C610s +thinking that there is an optional FPU, the '040 class chip cannot +recognize an external FPU, so there is no socket on the motherboard for +a FPU chip and you cannot go out and purchase an FPU on a PDS card or +something like that. The only way to get an FPU in these machines is to +replace the LC040 with a full '040. And if you have a C610, you will not +need to worry about a heat sink if you do replace the LC040 with the +full '040, but if you have a 4/80 C650 you do need to have a heat sink. + +-Hades + +";0;True +"From: tclark@tlcslip.uncecs.edu (Thomas B. Clark) +Subject: Re: ""So help you God"" in court? +Reply-To: tclark@med.unc.edu +Organization: UNC School of Medicine +Lines: 11 + +I don't think there is really any question about which god the courts +mean. The request for solemnly swearing, so help you god, + is always made after a request to pick up the bible in your left hand +and hold up your right hand. In the courts of NC, at least, it is always +an old and new testament. + +Though it is hard to imagine, picking up the bible and swearing to (whatever) +god is sometimes the least of the religious influence. There is a court in +Greensboro, NC, where the judge routinely has everyone in the courtroom +stand to join him in prayer at the beginning of every session. I've thought about +sitting through it, but I'm not terribly anxious to spend 30 days in jail... +";9;True +"From: mathew@mantis.co.uk (mathew) +Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is +Organization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK. +Lines: 19 +X-Newsreader: rusnews v1.01 + +frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes: +> I am not a Christian, however I suspect that all flavours of +> Christianity hold that (a) objective morality exists and (b) their +> particular interpretation of scripture/revelation/TV is a goodly glimpse +> of it. That they may all disagree about (b) says nothing about the truth +> or falsehood of (a). + +Actually, they generally claim that (b) their particular interpretation of +scripture/revelation *is* this objective morality. That there are two +conflicting versions of this objective morality does tell us something about +(a). It tells us at least one fake objective morality exists. + +The next logical step is to deduce that any given religion's objective +morality could be the fake one. So caveat emptor. + + +mathew +-- +Atheism: Anti-virus software for the mind. +";19;True +"From: wcsbeau@superior.carleton.ca (OPIRG) +Subject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition? +Organization: Carleton University, Ottawa, Canada +Lines: 101 + +In article <1993Apr15.190711.22190@walter.bellcore.com> jchen@ctt.bellcore.com writes: + + +>The funny thing is the personaly stories about reactions to MSG vary so +>greatly. Some said that their heart beat speeded up with flush face. Some +>claim their heart ""skipped"" beats once in a while. + +Both of these symptoms are related - tachycardia. Getting a flushed +face is due to the heart pumping the blood faster than a regular +pulse. I suspect this is related to an increase in sodium levels in +the blood, since note *sodium chloride* monosodium glutamate. Both are +sodium compounds. Our bodies require sodium, but like everything else, +one can get too much of a good thing. + +>Some reacted with headache, + +Again, this could be related to increased blood flow from increased +heart rate, from the sodium in the MSG. Distended crainial arteries, +essentially. One of many causes of headaches. There is no discrepency +her, necessarily. + + +>some stomach ache. + +Well stomache ache and vomiting tend to be related. Again, not +necessarily a discrepency. More likely a related reaction. Vomiting +occurs as a response to get rid of a noxious compound an organism has +eaten. If a person can't digest the stuff (entirely possible - the +list of stuff people are allergic to is quite long), and lacks an +enzyme to break it down, gastrointestinal distress (stomach or belly +ache) would be expected. + + +> Some had watery eyes or running nose, + + +These are respiratory reactions, and are now considered to be similar +to vomitting. They are a way for the body to dispose of noxious +compounds. They are adaptiove responses. Of course, it is possible +some other food or environmental compound could be responsible for the +symptoms. But it's important to remember that a lot opf these effets +can be additive, synergystic, subtractive, etc, etc. It would be +necessary to know exactly what was in a dish, and what else the person +was exposed to. Respiratory does sound suspicious BUT resopiration +and heart rate are connected. Things in the body are far from +simple...very inetractive place, the vertebrate body. + +> some +>had itchy skin or rashes. + +People respond in a myriad of ways to the same compound. It depends +upon what it is about the compound that ""pisses off"" their body. +Pollen, for example, of some plants aggrivates breathing in many +people, because, when inhaled, it sets of the immune system, and an +histamine attack is launched. The immune system goes overboard, +causing the allergic person a lot of misery. And someone with an +allergy to some pollens will have trouble with some herb teas that +contain pollens (Chamomile, linden, etc). Drinking the substance can +perturb that person's system as much as inhaling it. + +>More serious accusations include respiration +>difficulty + +See above. And don't think that heart rate changes, and circulatory +problems are not serious. They can be deadly. + +and brain damage. + +The area of the brain effected is the neuroendocrine system +controlling the release of gonadotropin, the supra-hormone controlling +the cyclical release of testosterone and estradiol, as well as somatostatin, +and other steroids. Testing for effective dose would be, uh, a wee bit unethical. + + +>Now here is a new one: vomiting. My guess is that MSG becomes the number one +>suspect of any problem. In this case. it might be just food +poisoning. + +Absolutely. But it could also be some synergystic mess from eating , +say, undetected shrimp or mushrooms (to which many are allergic), plus +too much alcohol, and inhaling too much diesel fumes biking home, +plus, let's say, having contracted flu from one's sig. other 3 days +before from drinking out of the same glass. Could be all sorts of +things. + +But it might be the MSG. + +>if you heard things about MSG, you may think it must be it. + +If noone else got sick, its likely not food poisoning. Probably +stomach flu or an undetected thing the guy's allergic to. + + +Anyway, the human body's not a machine; people vary widely in their +responses, and a lot of reactions are due to combinations of things. + + Dianne Murray wcsbeau@ccs.carleton.ca + + +";4;True +"Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, academic Computer Center +From: Jay Lorenzana +Subject: Eagle Talon TSi--LEMON? +Lines: 22 + + +Dear Netters: + +I am looking to buy a used Eagle Talon '91 or '91 TSi AWD. +Question is that the '91 TSi AWD was mentioned in the +April Consumer Reports to a car to avoid! + +In particular, the manual transmission, electrical system, +and brakes were below par (in both models). A friend of mine +ownes a '90 TSi AWD and he has had 2 brake jobs (pads), one +stuck valve, and some clutch/transmission problem, something +about sticking/grinding into second gear. This doesn't seem +too bad if one ""beats"" on his car. + +I am willing to suffer reliability--for speed and looks. Seems +you have to pay big buck if you want all three. Anyway can +anyone please let me know how you like your Talon, and any +problems you may have had, and if the repairs are worth it. + +Thanks for any responses! + +-Jay +";10;True +"Subject: Re: Enough Freeman Bashing! Was: no-Free man propaganda machine: Freemanwith blood greetings from Israel +From: mafifi@eis.calstate.edu (Marc A Afifi) +Organization: Calif State Univ/Electronic Information Services +Lines: 16 + +pgf5@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Peter Garfiel Freeman) writes: + + +Peter, + +I believe this is your most succinct post to date. Since you have nothing +to say, you say nothing! It's brilliant. Did you think of this all by +yourself? + +-marc +-- +______________________________________________________________________________ +Some people are so narrow minded they can see through a crack in a door with +both eyes. +My opinions should be yours. My employer has no opinions. +______________________________________________________________________________ +";15;True +"From: drew@kinglear.cs.colorado.edu (Drew Eckhardt) +Subject: Re: Changing oil by self. +Keywords: n +Nntp-Posting-Host: kinglear.cs.colorado.edu +Organization: University of Colorado at Boulder +Distribution: usa +Lines: 27 + +In article <1993Apr15.160922.8797@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> sorlin@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steven J Orlin) writes: +> +>In article <1993Apr15.135514.29579@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> rdb1@cbnewsj.cb.att.com +>(ronald.j.deblock..jr) writes: +> +>>You can avoid these problems entirely by installing an oil drain valve in +>>place of the bolt. I have one on both of my cars. There have been no +>>leaks in 210,000 miles (combined miles on both cars). +> +>Yes, but then someone would have no problem draining your oil in a parking lot. +> +>all they have to do is reach underneath, turn a valve, and forget the trip +>home. + +Most cars have drain petcocks in the radiators, and I've never +seen nor heard of a vandal opening one. I imagine that there +would be an even lower risk with an oil plug because you have +to crawl furthur under the car to open it. + +Car vandals are usually real traditional in their methods, and do things +that don't get them dirty, like keying your car, dumping sand, sugar +or mothballs in the gas tank, TPing it, etc. + +-- +Boycott USL/Novell for their absurd anti-BSDI lawsuit. | Drew Eckhardt +Condemn Colorado for Amendment Two. | drew@cs.Colorado.EDU +Use Linux, the fast, flexible, and free 386 unix | +";10;True +"From: jimmy@fireflare (Jimmy Mosquera) +Subject: Re: help - how to construct home-built battery for 3rd grade sci report +Keywords: 3rd grade science report +Nntp-Posting-Host: fireflare +Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory (NASA) +Distribution: usa +Lines: 22 + +In article mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) writes: +>Almost any two dissimilar metals in almost any electrically conductive +>liquid. +> +>Example: Copper and zinc in Coca-Cola... +> +>copper and galvanized steel nails in a lemon... +> +>Don't expect much power out, but it should be easily detectable +>with a voltmeter. +> +>-- +>:- Michael A. Covington, Associate Research Scientist : ***** +>:- Artificial Intelligence Programs mcovingt@ai.uga.edu : ********* +>:- The University of Georgia phone 706 542-0358 : * * * +>:- Athens, Georgia 30602-7415 U.S.A. amateur radio N4TMI : ** *** ** <>< + + + +A copper and a zinc rod in a potato also work nice. + + +";11;True +"From: jdresser@altair.tymnet.com (Jay Dresser) +Subject: HELP! with Olivetti floppy +Lines: 13 +Nntp-Posting-Host: altair + + +We are trying to connect an Olivetti XM4311 5"" floppy drive as the second +drive on a Panasonic 286 machine. It seems to sort of talk to it (gets it +spinning and stepping) but gives a ""Disk not ready"" error. + +There are two jumpers (which seem to work best open), a 3 position DIP +switch, and a 8 position DIP switch. We don't know how to set the DIP +switches and think that may be the problem. + +Any information, or advice (other than ""junk the stupid thing"" :) would be +most appreciated, thanks. (email reply preferred). + +jdresser@tymnet.com +";5;True +"From: kxgst1+@pitt.edu (Kenneth Gilbert) +Subject: Re: quality control in medicine +Organization: University of Pittsburgh +Lines: 20 + +In article <93108.003258U19250@uicvm.uic.edu> U19250@uicvm.uic.edu writes: +:Does anybody know of any information regarding the implementaion of total +: quality management, quality control, quality assurance in the delivery of +: health care service. I would appreciate any information. If there is enough +:interest, I will post the responses. + + +This is in fact a hot topic in medicine these days, and much of the +medical literature is devoted to this. The most heavily funded studies +these days are for outcome research, and physicians (and others!) are +constantly questionning whether what we do it truly effective in any given +situation. QA activities are a routine part of every hospital's +administrative function and are required by accreditation agencies. There +are even entire publications devoted to QA issues. + +-- +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-|-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= += Kenneth Gilbert __|__ University of Pittsburgh = += General Internal Medicine | ""...dammit, not a programmer!"" = +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-|-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= +";4;True +"From: Donald Mackie +Subject: Re: options before back surgery for protruding disc at L4-L5 +Organization: UM Anesthesiology +Lines: 33 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: 141.214.86.38 +X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d9 +X-XXDate: Fri, 16 Apr 93 15:37:39 GMT + +Subject: options before back surgery for protruding disc at L4-L5 +From: Alex Miller, amiller@almaden.ibm.com +Date: 13 Apr 93 18:30:42 GMT +In article <2241@coyote.UUCP> Alex Miller, amiller@almaden.ibm.com +writes: +>After two weeks of limping around with an acute pain in my low back +>and right leg, my osteopath sent me to get an MRI which revealed +>a protruding (and extruded) disc at L4-L5. I went to a neurosurgeon +>who prescribed prednisole (a steroidal anti-inflamitory) and bed +rest +>for several days. It's been nearly a week and overall I feel +>slightly worse - I take darvocet three times a day so I can +>deal with daily activities like preparing food and help me +>get to sleep. +> +>I'll see the neurosurgeon tomorrow and of course I'll be asking +>whether or not this rest is helpful or if surgery is the next +>step. What are my non-surgical options if my goal is to resume +>full activity, including competitive cycling. I should add this +>condition is, in my opinion, the result of commulative wear and +>tear - I've had chronic low-back pain for years - but I managed + +You don't say whether or not you have any symptoms other than pain. +If you have numbness, weakness or bladder problems, for example, +these would suggest a need for surgery. If pain is your only symptom +you might do well to find a reputable, multi-disciplinary pain +clinic in your area. Chronic low back pain generally doesn't do well +with surgery, acute on chronic pain (as only symptom) doesn't fare +much better. +e correlation between MRI findings and symptoms is controversial. + +Don Mackie - his opinions +UM will disavow... +";4;True +"From: harti@mikro.ee.tu-berlin.de (Stefan Hartmann (Behse)) +Subject: Genoa graphics board Drivers FTP site! +Article-I.D.: mailgzrz.1qpf1r$9ti +Organization: TUBerlin/ZRZ +Lines: 29 +NNTP-Posting-Host: mikro.ee.tu-berlin.de + +Hi, + +well I have opened up a FTP site for getting the latest software drivers +for Genoa graphics cards. + +Here is how to access it: + +ftp 192.109.42.11 +login:ftp +password:ftp +cd pub/genoa +ls -l +binary +prompt +hash + +(now if you wanna have the latest drivers for the 7900 board) + +cd 7000series +mget * + +quit + +This is the sequence to get the drivers. + +If you have any further question, please email me. + +Best regards, Stefan Hartmann +email to: harti@mikro.ee.tu-berlin.de +";1;True +"Subject: apology (was Re: Did US drive on the left?) +From: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) +Reply-To: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) +Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) +NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu +Lines: 54 + + +In a previous article, dh3q+@andrew.cmu.edu (""Daniel U. Holbrook"") says: + +>>i'm guessing, but i believe in the twenties we probably drove mostly down +>>cattle trails and in wagon ruts. I am fairly sure that placement of the +>>steering wheel was pretty much arbitrary to the company at that time..... +> +>By the 1920s, there was a very active ""good roads"" movement, which had +>its origins actually in the 1890s during the bicycle craze, picked up +>steam in the teens (witness the Linclon Highway Association, 1912 or so, +>and the US highway support act (real name: something different) in 1916 +>that first pledged federal aid to states and counties to build decent +>roads. Also, the experience of widespread use of trucks for domestic +>transport during WW 1 convinced the government that good raods were +>crucial to our national defense. Anyway, by the 20s there were plenty +>of good roads, at least around urban areas, and they were rapidly +>expanding into the countryside. This was the era, after all, of the +>first auto touring fad, the motel, the auto camp ground, etc. Two good +>books on the subject spring to mind - Warren Belasco ""America on the +>Road"" (title may not be exact - author is) and another called ""The Devil +>Wagon in God's Country"" author I forget. Also, any of John Flink's or +>John Bell Rae's auto histories. + +i'm sorry, as i have never heard of any of this. Guess they don't think +it's important enough for a classroom, and i was going on what i've seen +in pics.(some movies--real nice scource there, huh?) I just always +recall thinking that GOOD roads of asphalt didn't come around til the +Interstate Hiway Act, or whatever they called it(60's?), and that wood and +cobblestone roads were fairly rare up through the depression, except in +overpopulated places like England and US cities. Obviously netwisdom +says i am wrong. + +>As to placement of the steering wheel being arbitrary, by the early +>teens there were virtually no American cars that did not have the wheel +>on the left. In the early days, cars had the wheel on the left, on the +>right, and even in the middle, as well as sometimes having a tiller +>instead of a wheel. This was standardized fairly early on, though I +>don't know why. + +i knew it was almost always done, but i knew of no reason that it might not +be done the other way by DeSoto for their car. Seems like they had some +other deviations from the norm too, at times :-) + +>Dan +>dh3q@andrew.cmu.edu +>Carnegie Mellon University +>Applied History +> +>""World history strides on from catastrophe to catastrophe, whether we +>can comprehend and prove it or not."" +> Oswald Spengler + +thanx for corrrecting me, and again, i aplogize for harebraned post. +DREW +";10;True +"From: speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer) +Subject: Re: MOTORCYCLE DETAILING TIP #18 +Organization: Louisiana Tech University +Lines: 15 +NNTP-Posting-Host: bhm116e-spc.engr.latech.edu + +In article <1993Apr15.164644.7348@hemlock.cray.com> ant@palm21.cray.com (Tony Jones) writes: + +A note to users of Plexi-Fairings: + +If the light hits some of these just right, they become a giant magnifing +glass and will melt a hole in your guage pod! + + ----===== DoD #8177 = Technician(Dr. Speed) .NOT. Student =====---- + + Stolen Taglines... + * God is real, unless declared integer. * + * I came, I saw, I deleted all your files. * + * Black holes are where God is dividing by zero. * + * The world will end in 5 minutes. Please log out. * + * Earth is 98% full.... please delete anyone you can. * +";7;True +"From: rknight@stiatl.salestech.com (Ray Knight) +Subject: Re: CView answers +Keywords: Stupid Programming +Organization: Sales Technologies, Inc. +Lines: 19 + +uk02183@nx10.mik.uky.edu (bryan k williams) writes: + +>re: majority of users not readding from floppy. +>Well, how about those of us who have 1400-picture CD-ROMS and would like to use +>CVIEW because it is fast and it works well, but can't because the moron lacked +>the foresight to create the temp file in the program's path, not the current +>didrectory? + + + Actually the most flexible way to create temp files is to check for a TEMP or +TMP environment variable and create the files on the drive and directory pointedto by the variable. This is pretty much a standard for DOS, Windows and OS/2 +applications. + + +-- +What I have to say is my own opinion and has no bearing on any other person or +organization including my employer. +----------------------------------------------------------------------------- +rknight@salestech.com (404) 841-5316 Sales Technologies, Inc. +";1;True +"From: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com (Dave Medin) +Subject: Re: Police radar....Just how does it work?? +Reply-To: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com +Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville AL +Lines: 35 + +In article <1993Apr2.182216.28603@walter.bellcore.com>, deaddio@ski.bellcore.com (Michael DeAddio) writes: + +|> |> Question 2: +|> |> +|> |> If I am right about the doppler(if I spell it different every time, +|> |> maybe one will be right) effect, how does the radar get an accurate reading +|> |> when the car containing it is moving?? It would seem to me ( for all thats +|> |> worth) that it would need to be calibrated with the speedometer of the car +|> |> containing it?? I am fairly sure this isn't the case, so whats the deal?? +|> +|> Essentially, this is actually how it is done. The radar gun is tied into +|> the speedometer of the car. + +No, it is independent of the speedometer. The gun processes two doppler +returns--the speed of the car relative to the pavement and the speed +of the target, taking the difference between the two. Some guns with +a ""moving mode"" actually have a split beam with one beam aimed +preferentially at the pavement. + +Car and Driver had a good article on traffic radar, but it was back in +1985. I used its contents and references to defend myself against a bogus +radar-measured ticket. It detailed ""moving mode,"" which is easier to +defend against because of the increased amount of variables. + +-- +-------------------------------------------------------------------- + Dave Medin Phone: (205) 730-3169 (w) + SSD--Networking (205) 837-1174 (h) + Intergraph Corp. + M/S GD3004 Internet: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com + Huntsville, AL 35894 UUCP: ...uunet!ingr!b30!catbyte!dtmedin + + ******* Everywhere You Look (at least around my office) ******* + + * The opinions expressed here are mine (or those of my machine) +";11;True +"From: downs@helios.nevada.edu (Lamont Downs) +Subject: Re: Windows gripe... +Article-I.D.: helios.downs.189.734061833 +Organization: UNLV +Lines: 19 +Nntp-Posting-Host: cat.lv-lib.nevada.edu + +> There's one thing about Windows that really frosts me. +>I have 20MB of RAM installed in my system. I use a 5MB (2.5MB +>under Windows) disk-cache, and a 4MB permanent swap file. +> +> While I can never fill the memory up, I still have problems +>sometimes because I run out of GDI resources. What gives? +>I think Windows could manage these resources a little better. +> +Are you using Windows 3.0 or 3.1? If you're still on 3.0, 3.1 devotes about +twice as much memory to these and runs out much less frequently. If 3.1, +you might use one of the resource monitors (such as the one that comes with +the Windows 3.1 Resource Kit or one of the many shareware ones available) +to see which programs are hogging the resources (every icon, internal +graphics brush, etc. in every program running uses a certain amount of +this limited memory area. Also, some don't give it back when they're +finished). + +Lamont Downs +downs@nevada.edu +";6;True +"From: zyeh@caspian.usc.edu (zhenghao yeh) +Subject: Re: Fast wireframe graphics +Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA +Lines: 14 +Distribution: usa +NNTP-Posting-Host: caspian.usc.edu + + +In article , ykim@cs.columbia.edu (Yong Su Kim) writes: +|> +|> I am working on a program to display 3d wireframe models with the user +|> being able to arbitrarily change any of the viewing parameters. Also, +|> the wireframe objects are also going to have dynamic attributes so +|> that they can move around while the user is ""exploring"" the wireframe +|> world. + + Why don't you consider PHIGS in X or PEX lib? + + Yeh + USC + +";1;True +"Subject: Contax camera system for sale +From: joltes@husc10.harvard.edu (Richard Joltes) +Distribution: usa +Organization: Harvard University Science Center +Nntp-Posting-Host: husc10.harvard.edu +Lines: 24 + +This is posted for a friend who doesn't have net access...you can send replies +to me, but I'll be out of my office all next week, so don't expect a response +until at least 4/27! + +For sale: Contax camera system + +Includes: Contax 139 quartz SLR body + 50mm f1.7 Zeiss (!) Planna Lens + 135mm f2.8 Yashica Lens + Medium-sized hard case + +All items are in exceptional condition. + +Asking price: $175 for all items listed above. The seller is attempting to +sell the lot as a set, but you can negotiate that with him. + +-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- +Dick Joltes joltes@husc.harvard.edu +Hardware & Networking Manager, Computer Services joltes@husc.bitnet +Harvard University Science Center + +""Any woman that you become extremely attracted to will immediately tell you +that you're the best friend a woman could ever have."" -- David Crist + +";8;True +"From: dbak@elm.lle.rochester.edu (Douglas Baker) +Subject: Performance of new Mustangs !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! +Article-I.D.: galileo.1993Apr6.170901.7684 +Organization: University of Rochester, Rochester NY +Lines: 9 +Nntp-Posting-Host: elm.lle.rochester.edu + + + Does anyone know the performance ratings for a 1992 or 1993 +5.0 L HO Mustang LX like the 0-60 time 1/4 mile and top end ??? +Also can you tell me which magazine where these #'s come from so I +can look them up if possable ???? If you could the year and month and +eveen page # if you have it. + + Thanks, + Doug +";10;True +"From: mvp@netcom.com (Mike Van Pelt) +Subject: Re: Anyone interested in facts? Here's a few +Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) +Lines: 19 + +Oops, I forgot to set read permission. It's fixed now. + +ftp netcom.com +login: anonymous +password: your@email.address +cd pub/mvp +binary +get clinton.zip + +You need pkzip 2.x or the latest net.zip to un-""deflate"" this. + +Economic stats since Day One, plus all of the myriad ways Slick Willie +and the Gang of 535 are preparing to do it to us. From Ron Brown's +desk, so any distortion is pro-Democrat, can you believe it? +-- +Let's face it, when it comes to utilities, Microsoft has | Mike Van Pelt +performed about as well as a savings and loan. These are | mvp@netcom.com +the guys, remember, who put BACKUP and RESTORE - not to | mvp@lsil.com +mention EDLIN - on your hard disk. - Lincoln Spector +---- +";18;True +"From: dwo@zerberus.gud.siemens.co.at (F.Dwo) +Subject: DSP 56001 +Nntp-Posting-Host: zerberus.gud.siemens-austria +Organization: Siemens AG Oesterreich +Lines: 15 + +Hi !!! + +Is there somebody using a 56001 DSP from Motorola ??? +I am searching for programms concerning audio effects. +I built a 4 channel mixer (4ADC + 1DSP) for audio signals. +I built some digital filters and echos, but now i want to +include some effects like HARMONIC Equalizer or chorus. +The problem is, I dont know how these effects work (so I cant +write a programm). +So if someone has programms or just knows how such effects work, +please contact me in the newsgroup or via e-mail. +(Also if there are books about this problem) + +Thanks in advance +(DWO) +";11;True +"From: prb@access.digex.com (Pat) +Subject: Re: How many read sci.space? +Organization: Express Access Online Communications USA +Lines: 52 +NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net + +In article <1993Apr16.014506.27923@sol.UVic.CA> rborden@ugly.UVic.CA (Ross Borden) writes: +|In article <1qjs1j$306@access.digex.net> prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes: +|> +|> +|>In the old days, their used to be Arbitron stats' that analyzed +|>the readership and posting volumes by group and user. +|> +|>They were available from UUNET. That's how you check the +|>readership of Sci.space, not some stupid unscientific attempt +|>to flood the newsgroup. +|> +|>I have abetter idea. WHy don't we all reply directly to the +|>origanator of this post, and tell him we read sci.space ;-) +|> +|> +|>pat +| +| Sigh. +| I try to make a little joke, I try to inject some humour here +|and what happens? In the immortal words of Foghorn Leghorn: +| +| ""I say, that was a _joke_, son."" +| +| I thought that the bit about McElwaine, not to mention the two +|smileys, would indicate to even the most humour impaired that I was +|JOKING. +> Sigh. +> (And will everyone who pat's suggestion (thanks bunches, pat) +>*please* stop sending me email.) +> +>------------------------------------------------------------------------------- +>| I shot a man just to watch him die; | Ross Borden | +>| I'm going to Disneyland! | rborden@ra.uvic.ca | +>------------------------------------------------------------------------------- + + +Now, I had put a Wink at the end of my suggestion indicating it was +intensely sarcastic. I can't help it if everyone got all serious. + +Ross. + + I never saw your original posting. it dropped on the floor +somewhere. I just saw the trickle down, thought it was intensely +stupid, not knowing anything about the joke, mentioned arbitron +and left it with an equally stupid joke. Bill in his ever increasing +devotion to thoroughness dug up several arbitron stats. + +I myself think the arbitron stats are severely methodologically impaired, +but are a good measure of proportion. I don't think anyone +knows how many people read news anymore. + +pat +";2;True +"From: henrik@quayle.kpc.com +Subject: Re: ARMENIA SAYS IT COULD SHOOT DOWN TURKISH PLANES +Organization: NONE +Lines: 21 + +In article <1993Apr17.185118.10792@ee.rochester.edu>, terziogl@ee.rochester.edu (Esin Terzioglu) writes: +|> In article <1993Apr16.195452.21375@urartu.sdpa.org> dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) writes: +|> >04/16/93 1045 ARMENIA SAYS IT COULD SHOOT DOWN TURKISH PLANES +|> > +|> +|> Ermenistan kasiniyor... +|> +|> Let me translate for everyone else before the public traslation service gets +|> into it : Armenia is getting itchy. +|> +|> Esin. + + +Let me clearify Mr. Turkish; + +ARMENIA is NOT getting ""itchy"". SHE is simply LETTING the WORLD KNOW that SHE +WILL NO LONGER sit there QUIET and LET TURKS get away with their FAMOUS +tricks. Armenians DO REMEMBER of the TURKISH invasion of the Greek island of +CYPRESS WHILE the world simply WATCHED. + + +";15;True +"From: lgorbet@triton.unm.edu (Larry P Gorbet ANTHROPOLOGY) +Subject: Re: Floptical Question +Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque +Lines: 11 +NNTP-Posting-Host: triton.unm.edu + +In article bmyers@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Billy Lee Myers, Jr.) writes: +>...the last time I looked, floptical disk +>weren't all that cheap, ($30 per floptical disk = $1.40 per megabyte, $60 +>per sysquest is $1.36 per megabyte). + +Flopticals have been available since the beginning of the year at $25 +per floptical (= $1.20 per megabyte), and I have seen them advertised +in MacWEEK at $20 (< $1.00 per megabyte). For someone on a tight +budget, the fact that the minimal dollar increment for more storage is +less---$25 versus $60---sometimes matters. + +";0;True +"From: nichael@bbn.com (Nichael Cramer) +Subject: Re: Some questions from a new Christian +Reply-To: ncramer@bbn.com +Organization: BBN, Interzone Office +Lines: 49 + +OFM responds to a query about reference works: + + [Aside from a commentary, you might also want to consider an + introduction. These are books intended for use in undergraduate Bible + courses. They give historical background, discussion of literary + styles, etc. And generally they have good bibligraphies for further + reading. I typically recommend Kee, Froehlich and Young's NT + introduction... + +Two other Intros to consider: + +The ""Introduction"" by Ku:mmel is a translation of a strandard NT text. +The references are slightly dated and the style is somewhat dense, but +the book contains a wealth of information. + +Perrin and Duling's Intro is also very good. It's somewhat more +modern than Ku:mmel's but not quite so densely packed. Also the +authors tend to go through the books of the NT in the historical order +of composition; this gives a very useful perspective on the +development of the NT. + + ... There are also some good one-volume commentaries. ... Probably the + best recommendation these days would be Harper's Bible Commentary. + +A slight dissent: I think the Harper's is ""OK"" but not great. One +particular problem I have is that it tends to be pretty skimpy on +bibliographic material. My feeling is that it is OK for quick +look-ups, but not real useful for study in depth (e.g. I keep a copy +in my office at work). + + ... (I think there may be a couple of books with this title... + +So far as I know there is the only one book with this exact title +(James L Mays, general editor, Harper and ROw, 1988) although I think +I recall a (older) series under the name ""Harper Commentaries"". Also +there's a separate Harper's Bible Dictionary (most of my comments on +the HC also apply to the HBD.) + +My favorite one-volume commentary is the ""New Jerome Biblical +Commentary"". The NJBC is rather Catholic in focus and somewhat biased +towards the NT. (The reader can decide for her- or himself whether +these are pluses or minuses.) In any case the scholarship is by and +large excellent. + +NOTE: The NJBC is a completely reworked, updated version of the +""Jerome Biblical Commentary"", copies of which can still be found on +sale. + +Nichael +";17;True +"From: kentiler@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Kent P. Iler) +Subject: Comments on an accelerated Video Card for ISA bus +Organization: Kansas State University +Lines: 8 +NNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu + +Hi, + I am looking to buy an accelerated video card for my 486 DX 50 with +ISA bus. I have a 14"" SVGA NI monitor. I'm currently running +DOS 5.0 and windows 3.1, although I'm considering OS/2 in the +future. Can anyone make a suggestion for a video card that would +suit my needs? How is Diamond speedstar? Stealth? Etc.... + Thanks. + --Kent +";5;True +"From: Cameron Lewis +Subject: Re: Video Resolution Switching +Organization: Aeronautical Research Laboratory, DSTO +Lines: 20 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: who.aod.dsto.gov.au +X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d17 +X-XXMessage-ID: +X-XXDate: Mon, 19 Apr 93 23:23:23 GMT + +In article +John Shepardson, John_Shepardson.esh@qmail.slac.stanford.edu writes: +>As the author of ""DPI on the Fry"" I can tell you that there is no way +for a +>graphics card to know what resolution its connected monitor will actually +>support. That's why we have these silly cables. The cable just +identifies +>that monitor as supporting a given resolution. +> +>Therefore the software will support any multisync monitor. I've heard +that +>radius has a similar program for the quadra. + +Is this software available either commercially or public domain? If so +where? + +Cameron Lewis email: lewis@tanelorn.aod.dsto.gov.au +Air Operations Division (Melb.) gbb: +61 3 647 7729 +Aeronautical Research Laboratory - D.S.T.O fax: +61 3 646 3433 +506 Lorimer St, Fishermens Bend, Vic., Australia, 3207 +";0;True +"From: kudla@acm.rpi.edu (Robert Kudla) +Subject: Re: Warning on Copy II PC Board + Help on Copying? +Keywords: Mislead, Misinform, Misdirect, COPY +Article-I.D.: rpi.y3g53tr +Lines: 40 +Nntp-Posting-Host: hermes.acm.rpi.edu + +In v063kcbp@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (MITCH) writes: + +>Now, does anyone know a way to back up the masters of Word-Perfect 5.1 for +>Windows, Windows 3.1, and Norton 6.0 so I can send another copy to my +>permanent (non-college) address for safe-keeping? Students keep borrowing +>my masters, and I'm worried they'll get screwed up! (Please don't tell me + +You realize, of course, that inevitably some anal retentive moron is +going to come along and wag his fingers and his jowls in outrage that +personal politics are more important than [SMCAP][BOLD][Font:God +999pt.]The Law[smcap][bold][font]. + +But that's irrelevant to the problem here. Windows came with my +system, but on 5.25"" disks. I hate using 5.25"" disks, so I copied +them over to high density 3.5""'s using xcopy. It worked fine. In +fact, for a while I was changing configurations and whatnot so much +that I decided to try putting them on the hard disk. Not only can you +copy them over with one disk per directory, but if you want to, you +can simply copy them all into one directory. Makes it a lot nicer +when you're switching printer emulations around. + +Norton 6.0 I don't have much experience with, but when a friend's +system crashed, we restored from a backup rather than from the +originals, and it worked fine. This would imply that arj a -r norton +c:\nu would create a workable backup, and if you did a full install +the first time, you've got the whole thing. + +Never played with WP for Windows; I'm not too big of a fan of anything +from Utah. + +Good luck.... + +Disclaimer: Don't Copy That Floppy! (tm) Just Say No! (r) Respect Your Elders! +For The Wages Of Sin Is (sic) Death And A Hefty Legal Bill! DO YOU OFFEND? + +Rob +-- +Rob kudla@acm.rpi.edu Keywords - Oldfield Jane's Leather Yes Win3.1 Phish +light blue right Bondage r.e.m. DTP Steely Dan DS9 FNM OWL Genesis In the +spaceship, the silver spaceship, the lion takes control..... +";5;True +"From: fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary) +Subject: Re: Gun Control (was Re: We're Mad as Hell at the TV News) +Nntp-Posting-Host: ucsu.colorado.edu +Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder +Distribution: na +Lines: 59 + +In article manes@magpie.linknet.com (Steve Manes) writes: +>I don't know how anyone can state that gun control could have NO +>effect on homicide rates. + +I don't think anyone is arguing that there would be no effect. But +there would be no _net_ _positive_ effect. You also have to +consider the negative side: Law abiding citizens, armed with +fireamrs (pistols for the most part), prevent between 80,000 +(National Crime Survey) and 1,000,000 (Dr. Kleck) crimes +each year. (Those are the extremes. Most studies find +the number to be 500,000 to 600,000.) About 1% of those crimes are +homicides, so private ownership of firearms _saves_ approximately +5,000 lives each year. There are roughly 12,000 criminal homicides +and fatal accidents involving guns each year. For there to +be any net benefit, you would have to show that gun control measures +would disarm over 40% of the criminals currently using guns. +That would be very hard to do: According the the federal BATF, +only 8% of criminals buy their guns over the counter. Since +gun control laws, by their very nature, only effect legal +sales, such a law would remove all the benefits of armed, +law-abiding citizens while having only a minimal effect on +armed criminals (who, by and large, get their guns illegally.) +That doesn't sound like a net benefit to me. + +>...There were over 250 >accidental< handgun +>homicides in America in 1990, most with licensed weapons. + +Since most were with licensed weapons, I assume you are not +supporting ""reasonable"" laws (i.e. waiting periods, background +checks, licenses, etc...). Since only a complete ban would +alter the statistic you refer to, I assume that's what you +are supporting. + +By the way, 1135 people dies in 1986 from falling down stairs. +250 accidental handgun deaths isn't significant next to +other household accidents. + +>...More +>American children accidentally shot other children last year (15) +>than all the handgun homicides in Great Britain. + +1080 children under the age of 10 died by drowning, 69 from +drinking poisonous household chemicals (like Drano), 139 from +falls. If the real goal is to reduce the tragic, accidental +deaths of children, wouldn't a ban on drain cleaners be a +better palce to start? (Or, perhaps, restricting ownership to +professionals like plumbers?) + +>...Please... no dictionary arguments about RATES vs +>TOTAL NUMBERS, okay? They're offered for emphasis, not comparison). + +While you might call it ""emphasis"", refering to completely two +statistics in the same sentence _implies_ a comparison. If it +isn't valid, and you put the numbers together to convince people +you are right, the kindest thing I could call it is propaganda. + + Frank Crary + CU Boulder + +";3;True +"From: glang@slee01.srl.ford.com (Gordon Lang) +Subject: Please help find video hardware +Article-I.D.: fmsrl7.1pqf9oINN88e +Organization: Ford Motor Company Research Laboratory +Lines: 19 +NNTP-Posting-Host: slee01.srl.ford.com +X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 + +[ Article crossposted from comp.sys.hp ] +[ Author was Gordon Lang ] +[ Posted on 5 Apr 1993 23:25:27 GMT ] + +[ Article crossposted from comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware ] +[ Author was Gordon Lang ] +[ Posted on 5 Apr 1993 23:19:01 GMT ] + +I need a device (either an ISA board or a subsystem) which will +take two RGB video signals and combine them according to a template. +The template can be as simple as a rectangular window with signal +one being used for the interior and signal two for the exterior. +But I beleive fancier harware may also exist which I do not want +to exclude from my search. I know this sort of hardware exists +for NTSC, etc. but I need it for RGB. + +Please email and or post any leads.... + +Gordon Lang (glang@smail.srl.ford.com -or- glang@holo6.srl.ford.com) +";0;True +"From: d88-jwa@eufrat.nada.kth.se (Jon Wätte) +Subject: Re: SE rom +Nntp-Posting-Host: eufrat.nada.kth.se +Organization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden +Lines: 21 + +In <1993Apr20.085651.1@mrl.dsto.gov.au> ryanph@mrl.dsto.gov.au writes: + +>There is no reason that Apple couldn't release software patches for older +>computers (there are lots of Mac Pluses, Classics and SEs that have been +>upgraded to 68020 and 68030 processors which should be perfectly able to deal +>with Color Quickdraw) - but they wont, and 3rd parties are having a difficult + +There is one reason: market size. + +The market size for color quickdraw for accellerated plusses and +SEs (which don't go beyond 4 MB anyway) is just too small; the +extra cost would belike $1,000 and with that money, you can buy a +color classic instead. + +Cheers, + + / h+ +-- + -- Jon W{tte, h+@nada.kth.se, Mac Hacker Deluxe -- + + -- I don't fear death, it's dying that scares me. +";0;True +"Subject: roman.bmp 08/14 +From: pwiseman@salmon.usd.edu (Cliff) +Reply-To: pwiseman@salmon.usd.edu (Cliff) +Distribution: usa +Organization: University of South Dakota +Lines: 956 + + +------------ Part 8 of 14 ------------ +MAX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AYZ>8=#0T""L!A%(!*]#0T""4E)<-N;@+(U,C(;CZ;1-/3 +MTXU*IH?4JH!75\B`P2&((F[JZ$/Q[/&J3;YJ+2WE<""3T*0:4E,SUAX>'AY\* +MFYL^/J""@PR4E)=#0T""4E2VY+)1$1D&[4U-34U-34AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>' +MAX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AXQJ+2F'AX>'AX&!UM8DFYL^/CZ@B+40B*`^/IN;FYN;)24E)6%A +MT-#0T-!A)25+P\/#-L#`P%L45U?R(>#@AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>' +MAX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>' +MAX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>' +MAX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>' +MAX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>' 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I'm interested in finding out who is using the +e-mail system. Please do not flood me with mail after April 21st. Thanks! +Maria Alice Ruth mao111@psuvm.bitnet or @psuvm.psu.edu + +1. Are you male or female? + +2. How long have you been using the e-mail system? + +3. How do you have access (at work, at school, etc)? + +4. Who taught you how to use the system? Is that person male or female? + +5. Have you helped anyone to learn the system? Was that person(s) male or + female? + +6. Which net did you find my questions on? + +7. Which other nets are you interested in? + +8. How often do you read/post to the system? +";10;True +"From: jon@chopin.udel.edu (Jon Deutsch) +Subject: NEC P5200 Printer question! +Nntp-Posting-Host: chopin.udel.edu +Organization: University of Delaware - What state is that in? +Lines: 14 + +I just picked up a second-hand ""color option"" for the NEC P5200 +24pin dot matrix printer. Alas, there were no installation instructions, +so I am totally confused on WHY it WON'T GO IN! + +Do I have to remove the actaual print head? It seems *almost* to fit, +but not quite. + +Please... any info would be most appreciated! + + + X-------------------+--------------+-----------------------X + | | |\ |>jon@chopin.udel.edu<| ""For my 2 cents, | + | \|on |/eutsch |>>-----------------<<| I'd pay a dollar"" | + X------+--------------------+--------------------+---------X +";5;True +"From: er+@cs.cmu.edu (Ekkehard Rohwedder) +Subject: Re: Help! - Disappearing Groups!!! +Nntp-Posting-Host: kurt.tip.cs.cmu.edu +Cc: ewoo@unixg.ubc.ca +Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon +Lines: 11 + +In article <1r8anlINN60g@skeena.ucs.ubc.ca> ewoo@unixg.ubc.ca (Emile Woo) writes: +>program manager but it seems that everytime I install something new that +>makes a new group, it promptly disappears after I turn of windows! + +(1) Did you check that a new *.grp file was actually created in your Windows + directory? +(2) Are you _turning off_ your computer when windows is running rather than + closing Program Manager? + + + -- Ekkehard +";6;True +"From: parkin@Eng.Sun.COM (Michael Parkin) +Subject: Re: Being right about messiahs +Reply-To: parkin@Eng.Sun.COM +Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc., Mountain View, CA +Lines: 71 + +In article 2262@geneva.rutgers.edu, Desiree_Bradley@mindlink.bc.ca (Desiree Bradley) writes: +> I must have missed the postings about Waco, David Koresh, and the Second +> Coming. How does one tell if a Second Coming is the real thing, unless the +> person claiming to be IT is obviously insane? + +First by his fruits. The messiah comes to build the kingdom of heaven +on the earth. He also comes to first reveal the root cause of +original sin (fallen nature) and then provide a means to cut the +connection to that original sin. He also wants to create world peace +based on Godism. The messiah's teachings will build on the foundation +of the Bible but provide profound new insights into the nature of God, +the fall of man, the purpose of creation, and God's providence of +restoration. It will also provide a foundation for the unity of all +the World's religions. + +Many Christians expect Jesus to come on literal clouds, so they may +miss him when he returns. Just as the Jewish people missed Jesus 2000 +years ago. They are still waiting for his first coming. The Jewish +people of that age expected Elijah to come first. Jesus said that +John the Baptist was Elijah. But John the Baptist denied that he was +Elijah. (How did this reflect on Jesus?) Later in prison John even +questioned who Jesus was: ""is he the one who is to come or do we look +for another"". (see book of Matthew) + +> +> I'm not saying that David Koresh is the Second Coming of Christ. How could +> somebody who breaks his word be the Second Coming? Koresh did promise that +> he would come out of his compound if only he was allowed to give a radio +> broadcast. He didn't. Still it seems to me that he did fool some people. + +David Koresh didn't even come close. The problem is that people like +this make it difficult for people to believe and trust in the real +Messiah when he does show up. + +> +> And, from my meagre knowledge of the Bible, it seems that Christians have +> been hard on the Jews of Christ's day for being cautious about accepting +> somebody that their religious authorities didn't accept as the Messiah. +> +> So I was surprised that nobody had discussed the difficulty of wanting to be +> early to recognize the Second Coming while, at the same time, not wanting to +> be credulously believing just anybody who claims to be God. + +Very good point and perhaps the most important point of all for +Christians: How to recognize the Second Coming? + +The Messiah should not claim to be God. What sets a Messiah apart is +that he is born without original sin. He is not born perfect but +achieves perfection after a period of growth. Adam and Eve were born +sinless but they fell, and this tragedy meant that it would take God +thousands of years to create the kingdom of heaven on the earth as God +originally intended. God's restoration providence is still not +complete. The messiah is the true Son of God, one with God, God's +representative on the earth, but not God himself. There is only one +God. + +> [Mark 13:21 And then if any one says to you, 'Look, here is the Christ!' +> or 'Look, there he is!' do not believe it. +... +> Mark 13:26 And then they will see the Son of man coming in clouds with +> great power and glory. + +> My understanding of Jesus' answer is that, unlike his first coming, +> which was veiled, the second coming will be quite unmistakeable. + +> By the way, from Koresh's public statement it's not so clear to me +> that he is claiming to be Christ. + +Who else in this world is claiming to be the Messiah. Maybe he's already here. + +Mike +";17;True +"From: egreen@East.Sun.COM (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) +Subject: Re: A Miracle in California +Organization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC +Lines: 25 +Distribution: world +Reply-To: egreen@East.Sun.COM +NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com + +In article 602CV3dTx01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com, bws20@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Brian W Simmons) writes: +> +>Now maybe this isn't a big deal to some of you, but it is to me. I was raised +>in the South, and part of my cultural heritage is waving at passersby. I +>waved from the side of the road at passing cars, when I drove I waved or +>nodded or at least raised an index finger from the steering wheel. People +>waved at me as I drove by. + +I was raised in the South, and I can attest that this is true. Why, on +one particularly hot day, as I was walking along the road, some good +ole boys in a truck tossed me a cold beer! Of course, they were going +50 mph at the time... + +>P.S. To prove this wasn't a fluke, it happened to me again when I was out +>riding on Wednesday: an unsolicited wave. Wow... + +Bikers wave to bikers the world over. Whether or not Harley riders +wave to other bikers is one of our favorite flame wars... + +--- +Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker, + Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM |and I showed him a picture of you. I said, +DoD #0111 (919)460-8302 |""Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"" + (The Grateful Dead) --> |It seemed like the least I could do... + +";7;True +"From: jfc@athena.mit.edu (John F Carr) +Subject: Re: proposed catcher re-sub rule +Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology +Lines: 11 +NNTP-Posting-Host: achates.mit.edu + + +The Red Sox usually have 2 catchers. I don't think they have a backup now, +but they used to use Randy Kutcher as a backup catcher, as well as a middle +infielder and outfielder. You don't need a good 3rd catcher, just a +competent one, so you can afford to lose a little catching ability and pick +a player who can be of use elsewhere on the field. + + + +-- + John Carr (jfc@athena.mit.edu) +";14;True +"From: cwilliam@tigger.cs.colorado.edu (Christopher Williamson) +Subject: ** Oscilloscope for sale $99 + probes $25 ea. ** +Nntp-Posting-Host: tigger.cs.colorado.edu +Organization: University of Colorado at Boulder +Distribution: na +Lines: 13 + +I have a Tektronix T921 15Mhz scope for sale. It is a nice, simple +unit to learn on. I used it while I was in school. If you want one +to play with at home, this is easy and inexpensive. It has a nice +handle and is quite lightweight and easy to move around. + +I will consider selling the probes seperately for $25 ea. They are HP +10017A probes suitable for this type of scope. The probes are NOT +included in the price of $99 for the scope. + +If you need more technical info, you will have to come look at it, as +I am not a scope expert and what I have said is all I know. + +Chris +";8;True +"From: backon@vms.huji.ac.il +Subject: Re: diet for Crohn's (IBD) +Distribution: usa,world +Organization: The Hebrew University of Jerusalem +Lines: 52 + +In article <1993Apr22.202051.1@vms.ocom.okstate.edu>, banschbach@vms.ocom.okstate.edu writes: +> In article <1r6g8fINNe88@ceti.cs.unc.edu>, jge@cs.unc.edu (John Eyles) writes: +>> +>> A friend has what is apparently a fairly minor case of Crohn's +>> disease. +>> +>> But she can't seem to eat certain foods, such as fresh vegetables, +>> without discomfort, and of course she wants to avoid a recurrence. +>> +>> Her question is: are there any nutritionists who specialize in the +>> problems of people with Crohn's disease ? +>> +>> (I saw the suggestion of lipoxygnase inhibitors like tea and turmeric). +>> +>> Thanks in advance, +>> John Eyles +> +> All your friend really has to do is find a Registered Dietician(RD). While +> most work in hospitals and clinics, many major cities will have RD's who +> are in ""private practice"" so to speak. Many physicans will refer their +> patients with Crohn's disease to RD's for dietary help. If you can get +> your friend's physician to make a referral, medical insurance should pay for +> the RD's services just like the services of a physical therapist. The +> better medical insurance plans will cover this but even if your friend's +> plan doesn't, it would be well worth the cost to get on a good diet to +> control the intestinal discomfort and help the intestinal lining heal. +> Crohn's disease is an inflammatory disease of the intestinal lining and +> lipoxygenase inhibitors may help by decreasing leukotriene formation but +> I'm not aware of tea or turmeric containing lipoxygenase inhibitors. For + + +If you do a MEDLINE search on ""turmeric"" you'll see that it is a potent +lipoxygenase inhibitor which is being investigated in a number of areas. +I'm in cardiology and about 4 years ago the cardiothoracic surgery lab at my +hospital compared the effect of a teaspoon of dissolved turmeric vs. a $2000 +bolus of tPA in preventing myocardial reperfusion injury in a perfused +Langendorff sheep heart. The turmeric was more effective :-) + + +A colleague of mine in the School of Pharmacy (Dr. Ron Kohen) has a paper ""in +press"" on the free radical scavenging activity and antioxidant activity of tea. + +Josh +backon@VMS.HUJI.AC.IL + + +> bad inflammation, steroids are used but for a mild case, the side effects +> are not worth the small benefit gained by steroid use. Upjohn is developing +> a new lipoxygenase inhibitor that should greatly help deal with +> inflammatory diseases but it's not available yet. +> +> Marty B. +";4;True +"From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) +Subject: Re: Update (Help!) [was ""What is This [Is it Lyme's?]""] +Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) +Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science +Lines: 24 + +In article <1993Mar24.182145.11004@equator.com> jod@equator.com (John Setel O'Donnell) writes: + +>IMHO, you have Lyme disease. + + +>I sent you in private email a summary of the treatment protocols put +>forth by the Lyme Disease Foundation. I respectfully suggest that you +>save yourself a great deal of suffering by contacting them for a +>Lyme-knowledgeable physician referral and seek treatment at once. +>You'll know in 2 weeks if you're on the right course; and the clock is +>ticking on your 6 weeks if you have it. 1-800-886-LYME. + +If these folks are who I think they are, Lyme-knowledgeable may +mean a physician to whom everything that walks in the door is +lyme disease, and you will be treated for lyme, whether or not +you have it. Hope you have good insurance. + + + +-- +---------------------------------------------------------------------------- +Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and +geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" +---------------------------------------------------------------------------- +";4;True +"From: salaris@niblick.ecn.purdue.edu (Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrabbits) +Subject: Re: Satan kicked out of heaven: Biblical? +Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network +Lines: 23 + +In article , easteee@wkuvx1.bitnet writes: +> Hello all, +> I have a question about Satan. I was taught a long time ago +> that Satan was really an angel of God and was kicked out of heaven +> because he challenged God's authority. The problem is, I cannot +> find this in the Bible. Is it in the Bible? If not, where did it +> originate? +> +Satan was one of God's highest ranking angels, like Uriel, Raphael, +Michael, and Gabriel. In fact, his name was Satanel. He did challenge +God's authority and got kicked out of heaven. A lot of the mythology +of Satan (he lost the -el suffix when he fell) comes from the +Book of Enoch and is not found in the bible. + +Read the Book of Enoch, available thru bookstores, or get the book +called ""Angels: an endangered species"" (I think). + + +-- +Steven C. Salaris We're...a lot more dangerous than 2 Live Crew +salaris@carcs1.wustl.edu and their stupid use of foul language because + we have ideas. We have a philosophy. + Geoff Tate -- Queensryche +";17;True +"From: Nanci Ann Miller +Subject: Re: Dear Mr. Theist +Organization: Sponsored account, School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA +Lines: 31 + <1993Apr5.024150.10193@wam.umd.edu> +NNTP-Posting-Host: po2.andrew.cmu.edu +In-Reply-To: <1993Apr5.024150.10193@wam.umd.edu> + +west@next02cville.wam.umd.edu (Stilgar) writes: +> means to me. The full quote (Michael Crichton, _Jurrasic_Park_) was +> something like ""The earth has existed quite contently for billions of +> years. We have been here but for the blink of an eye, and if we were gone +> tomorrow, the earth would not miss us."". I remember this quote to keep +> myself humble when thinking that we have progressed so far or that we +> are masters of this planet. + +Cool quote. + +> The earth doesn't need saving, it's existed quite happily with- +> out us, we are the ones who need saving. + +Better watch it. The theists will jump on you for that... :-) + +> Brian West. +> -- +> THIS IS NOT A SIG FILE * -""To the Earth, we have been +> THIS IS NOT A SIG FILE * here but for the blink of an +> OK, SO IT'S A SIG FILE * eye, if we were gone tomorrow, +> posted by west@wam.umd.edu * we would not be missed.""- +> who doesn't care who knows it. * (Jurassic Park) +> ** DICLAIMER: I said this, I meant this, nobody made me do it.** + +Nanci + +......................................................................... +If you know (and are SURE of) the author of this quote, please send me +email (nm0w+@andrew.cmu.edu): +Lying to ourselves is more deeply ingrained than lying to others. + +";9;True +"Nntp-Posting-Host: bones.et.byu.edu +Lines: 6 +Subject: PD 3D Viewer wanted +Summary: 3D +Expires: May 20, 1993 +Organization: Brigham Young University, Provo UT USA +From: qiaok@bones.et.byu.edu (Kun Qiao) + +I am looking for a public domain 3d viewer. It does not have to be very +fancy. The features I want is simple wireframe display, flat shading, +simple transformation. It would be nice to have hidden line. + +Any information is appreciated. + +";1;True +"From: pchang@ic.sunysb.edu (Pong Chang) +Subject: Re: Microsoft DOS 6.0 Upgrade for sale +Nntp-Posting-Host: libws4.ic.sunysb.edu +Organization: State University of New York at Stony Brook +Lines: 36 + +In article hatton@socrates.ucsf.edu (Tom Hatton) writes: +>adn6285@ritvax.isc.rit.edu writes: +>>In article <1pctnfINN6dp@eve.usc.edu>, yuanchie@eve.usc.edu (Yuan-Chieh Hsu) writes: +>>> MS DOS 6.0 Upgrade for sale best offer over $45 +>>> (opened, unregistered) +> +>>So, does anyone care to enlighten us whether DOS6.0 is worth upgrading to? +>>How good is it's compression, and can it be turned on/off at will? +>>Any other nice/nasty features? +> +>According to reports, if you don't have DOS yet, and don't have any +>utilities (QEMM, Stacker, PCTools, Norton, ...) then DOS6 may be worth it. +> +>For people who have DOS5, and some sort of utility, DOS6 doesn't offer +>much. You'd never know it from the usual hype that marketing is able +>to create, however. :-) + +i installed dos 6 last week, and had nothing but trouble afterwards. +windows apps are hitting protection faults more than a kid can do +to a pinata, and it does not seem to like to work with NDOS (norton +dos 7.0). other probs include: + +set pcplus=d:\pcplus for procomm plus no longer works. +many of the little utilities to written for dos no longer works + either. (mostly shareware) + +i now have uninstalled dos 6 , and dos 5 works just fine. +are there any apps that dos 6 will be able to run that dos 5 wont? + +-- +********************************************************************** +C_ommon pchang@ic.sunysb.edu +S_ense State University of New York @ Stony Brook +E_ngineer +********************************************************************** + +";8;True +"From: riel@unixg.ubc.ca (William Riel) +Subject: Re: Travesty at the Joe Louis +Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada +Lines: 12 +NNTP-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca + +In article <1993Apr20.005512.3382@mtroyal.ab.ca> caldwell8102@mtroyal.ab.ca writes: +>(Detroit, April 19) +> +>In a development that shocked most knowledgable observers, the Detroit Redwings +>scored no less than six goals against the best goaltender in the world en +>route to a 6-3 win over the best team in the NHL, the Toronto Maple Leafs. + +Not only that, but if I'm not mistaken Detroit scored 4 goals on their first +five shots on net...looks like Toronto's cream cheese run continues (or is +that swiss cheese? after watching Potvin I'm leaning towards the latter) + +Bill +";13;True +"From: mmilitzo@scott.skidmore.edu (matthew militzok) +Subject: NHL Playoff Stats & Scores +Organization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY +Lines: 2 + +For updated playoff updates (scores, stats, summaries) +e-mail me. (mmilitzo@skidmore.edu) with the subject STATS. +";13;True +"From: mangoe@cs.umd.edu (Charley Wingate) +Subject: Re: Motto Mania +Lines: 33 + +mathew writes: + +>I prefer Mark-Jason Dominus's suggestion that the motto should be changed to +>""Mind your own fucking business"". + +In this era of AIDS, isn't someone's fucking *everyone's* interest? (semi +:-)) + +I propose ""We have no motto."" + +Recently in the glorious state of Maryland (the only state whose state song +refers to Abraham Lincoln as a tyrant), people have gotten all wound up over +the state motto (which we inherited from the Calverts): + + ""Fatti Maschii, Parole Femine"" + +which, if you read Italian, says, + + ""Manly deeds, womanly words"" + +or something to that effect. In the state which not so long ago had four +women out of seven representatives, this represents a problem. The official +solution was to change the translation, so now it means: + + ""Strong deeds, gentle words"" + +My personal suggestion was changing it to ""walk softly and carry a big +stick."" +-- +C. Wingate + ""The peace of God, it is no peace, + + but strife closed in the sod. +mangoe@cs.umd.edu + Yet, brothers, pray for but one thing: +tove!mangoe + the marv'lous peace of God."" +";9;True +"From: jtk@s1.gov (Jordin Kare) +Subject: Re: Inflatable Mile-Long Space Billboards (was Re: Vandalizing the sky.) +Organization: LLNL +Lines: 96 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: s1.gov + +yamauchi@ces.cwru.edu (Brian Yamauchi) writes: +>enzo@research.canon.oz.au (Enzo Liguori) writes: +>>WHAT'S NEW (in my opinion), Friday, 16 April 1993 Washington, DC +> +>>Now, Space Marketing +>>is working with University of Colorado and Livermore engineers on +>>a plan to place a mile-long inflatable billboard in low-earth +>>orbit. +> +>This sounds like something Lowell Wood would think of. Does anyone +>know if he's involved? + +No. The idea was suggested around here during discussions of possible +near-term commercial space activities. One of the folks involved in those +discussions, a +spacecraft engineer named Preston Carter, passed the suggestion on to +some entreprenurial types, and Mike Lawson is apparently going ahead with +it. Preston is now at LLNL, and is working with Space Marketing on +the sensors that might be carried. +> +>>NASA would provide contractual launch services. However, +>>since NASA bases its charge on seriously flawed cost estimates +>>(WN 26 Mar 93) the taxpayers would bear most of the expense. + +Actually, that sounds unlikely. I don't know what the launch vehicle +would be, but I would expect it to go on a commercial launcher -- +certainly not on the Shuttle -- and the fraction of the cost paid to NASA +for, e.g., launch support would probably +cover NASA's incremental costs pretty well. + +>>This +>>may look like environmental vandalism, but Mike Lawson, CEO of +>>Space Marketing, told us yesterday that the real purpose of the +>>project is to help the environment! The platform will carry ozone +>>monitors he explained--advertising is just to help defray costs. +> +>This may be the purpose for the University of Colorado people. My +>guess is that the purpose for the Livermore people is to learn how to +>build large, inflatable space structures. + +No, as noted, LLNL is involved in lightweight sensor design, per +Clementine and related programs. I'm sure folks around here would like to +see a demonstration of a modern inflatable structure, but after all, +the U.S. did the Echo satellites long ago, and an advertising structure +would not be much closer to an inflatable space station than Echo was +(or a parade balloon, for that matter). +> +>>.......... +>>What do you think of this revolting and hideous attempt to vandalize +>>the night sky? It is not even April 1 anymore. + +While I happen to personally dislike the idea, mostly because I've got +a background in astronomy, it's hardly vandalism -- it would be a short-lived +intrusion on the night sky, doing no permanent damage and actually hurting +only a small subset of astronomers. On the other hand, it would certainly +draw attention to space. +> +>If this is true, I think it's a great idea. +> +>Learning how to build structures in space in an essential +>step towards space development... + +Which, unfortunately, this is not likely to contribute much to. + +>If such a project also monitors ozone depletion and demonstrates +>creative use of (partial) private sector funding in the process -- so +>much the better. +> +>>Is NASA really supporting this junk? + +As far as I know, it's a purely commercial venture. +> +>And does anyone have any more details other than what was in the WN +>news blip? How serious is this project? Is this just in the ""wild +>idea"" stage or does it have real funding? + +I gather it is being very seriously discussed with possible advertisers. +Commercial projects, however, generally don't get ""funding"" -- they +get ""customers"" -- whether it will have customers remains to be seen. +> +>>Are protesting groups being organized in the States? +> +>Not yet. Though, if this project goes through, I suppose The Return +>of Jeremy Rifkin is inevitable... + +Nahh. He's too busy watching for mutant bacteria to notice anything in +the sky :-) + +> +>Brian Yamauchi Case Western Reserve University +>yamauchi@alpha.ces.cwru.edu Department of Computer Engineering and Science + +Jordin Kare jtk@s1.gov Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory + +[These are my personal views only and do not represent official statements +or positions of LLNL, the University of California, or the U.S. DOE.] +";2;True +"From: klm@gozer.mv.com (Kevin L. McBride) +Subject: The Holocaust Revisited +Organization: GhostBuster Central - Southern NH Usenet Access, Nashua, NH +Lines: 17 + +The U.S. Government's campaign of persecution and genocide against the +Branch Davidians was a resounding success. + +Heil Clinton! Heil Reno! The Gestapo is alive and well and living in +Washington, D.C. + +-- +Kevin, who agrees that David Koresh was probably a first-rate nutcase + but who firmly believes that the Bill of Rights guaranteed his + his right to be a religious fanatic and that the government is + guilty of violating his civil rights and of 1st degree murder. + + OK, which small, under-represented-in-congress religious group + are we going to persecute next and are we going to torch their + church with a rolled up copy of the Constitution? + + I think I'm going to be sick now. . . +";3;True +"From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) +Subject: Re: About this 'Center for Policy Resea +Organization: The Department of Redundancy Department +Lines: 85 + +In article <1483500350@igc.apc.org> Center for Policy Research writes: + +>It seems to me that many readers of this conference are interested +>who is behind the Center for Polict Research. I will oblige. + +Trumpets, please. + +>My name is Elias Davidsson, Icelandic citizen, born in Palestine. My +>mother was thrown from Germany because she belonged to the 'undesirables' +>(at that times this group was defined as 'Jews'). She was forced to go +>to Palestine due to many cynical factors. + +""Forced to go to Palestine."" How dreadful. Unlike other +undesirables/Jews, she wasn't forced to go into a gas chamber, forced +under a bulldozer, thrown into a river, forced into a ""Medical +experiment"" like a rat, forced to march until she dropped dead, burned +to nothingness in a crematorium. Your mother was ""forced to go to +Palestine."" You have our deepest sympathies. + +>I have meanwhile settled in Iceland (30 years ago) + +We are pleased to hear of your escape. At least you won't have to +suffer the same fate that your mother did. + +>and met many people who were thrown out from +>my homeland, Palestine, + +Your homeland, Palestine? + +>because of the same reason (they belonged to +>the 'indesirables'). + +Should we assume that you are refering here to Jews who were kicked +out of their homes in Jerusalem during the Jordanian Occupation of +East Jerusalem? These are the same people who are now being called +thieves for re-claiming houses that they once owned and lived in and +never sold to anyone? + +>These people include my neighbors in Jerusalem +>with the children of whom I played as child. Their crime: Theyare +>not Jews. + +I have never heard of NOT being a Jew as a crime. Certainly in +Israel, there is no such crime. In some times and places BEING a Jew +is a crime, but NOT being a Jew??!! + +>My conscience does not accept such injustice, period. + +Our brains do not accept your logic, yet, either. + +>My +>work for justice is done in the name of my principled opposition to racism +>and racial discrimination. Those who protest against such practices +>in Arab countries have my support - as long as their protest is based +>on a principled position, but not as a tactic to deflect criticism +>from Israel. + +The way you've written this, you seem to accept criticism in the Arab +world UNLESS it deflects criticism from Israel, in which case, we have +to presume, you no longer support criticism of the Arab world. + +>The struggle against discrimination and racism is universal. + +Look who's taling about discrimination now! + +>The Center for Policy Research is a name I gave to those activities +>undertaken under my guidance in different domains, and which command +>the support of many volunteers in Iceland. It is however not a formal +>institution and works with minimal funds. + +Be careful. You are starting to sound like Barfling. + +>Professionally I am music teacher and composer. I have published +>several pieces and my piano music is taught widely in Europe. +> +>I would hope that discussion about Israel/Palestine be conducted in +>a more civilized manner. Calling names is not helpful. + +Good. Don't call yourself ""ARF"" or ""the Center for Policy Research"", +either. + +-- +Jake Livni jake@bony1.bony.com Ten years from now, George Bush will +American-Occupied New York have replaced Jimmy Carter as the +My opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President. +";15;True +"From: goo@cup.hp.com (Mike Goo) +Subject: Re: Visual c++ +Distribution: usa +Nntp-Posting-Host: hpingoo.cup.hp.com +Organization: Hewlett-Packard, Cupertino, CA +Lines: 30 + +In article <1rgr7v$6ga@lll-winken.llnl.gov> David A. Fuess writes: + +>It is correct that VC++ is NOT considered an upgrade for C7. C7 is +>basically a DOS product, VC++ is a Windows product. As Windows is not +>an upgrade for DOS, it is a separate operating system product line, its +>utilities cannot be upgrades for DOS utilities. However, I have also +>been told that it is NOT an upgrade for QCWIN, which it should be! + +You *can* upgrade MSC 7.0 and QCWIN to the Visual C++ products as follows: + + STANDARD EDITION: + List Price $199 + Upgrade from QCWin $ 79 + Competitive Upgrade $ 99 + + PROFESSIONAL EDITION: + List Price $499 + Upgrade from MSC 7.0 $139 + Competitive Upgrade* $199 + + * Includes upgrades from other MS language products like QCWin + +------------------------------------------------------------------------------- +Michael Goo | +Hewlett-Packard | ""I never try to cover my ass... +Information Networks Division | but I certainly support your right to do so!"" +19420 Homestead Road MS 43LT | +Cupertino, CA 95014-9974 | +goo@hpinddh.cup.hp.com | +------------------------------------------------------------------------------- +";6;True +"From: crash@ckctpa.UUCP (Frank ""Crash"" Edwards) +Subject: Re: forms for curses +Reply-To: crash%ckctpa@myrddin.sybus.com (Frank ""Crash"" Edwards) +Organization: Edwards & Edwards Consulting +Lines: 40 + +Note the Followup-To: header ... + +steelem@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (STEELE MARK A) writes: +>Is there a collection of forms routines that can be used with curses? +>If so where is it located? + +On my SVR4 Amiga Unix box, I've got -lform, -lmenu, and -lpanel for +use with the curses library. Guess what they provide? :-) + +Unix Press, ie. Prentice-Hall, has a programmer's guide for these +tools, referred to as the FMLI (Forms Mgmt Language Interface) and +ETI (Extended Terminal Interface), now in it's 2nd edition. It is +ISBN 0-13-020637-7. + +Paraphrased from the outside back cover: + + FMLI is a high-level programming tool for creating menus, forms, + and text frames. ETI is a set of screen management library + subroutines that promote fast development of application programs + for window, panel, menu, and form manipulation. + +The FMLI is a shell package which reads ascii text files and produces +screen displays for data entry and presentation. It consists of a +""shell-like"" environment of the ""fmli"" program and it's database +files. It is section 1F in the Unix Press manual. + +The ETI are subroutines, part of the 3X manual section, provide +support for a multi-window capability on an ordinary ascii terminal +with controls built on top of the curses library. + +>Thanks +>-Mark Steele +>steelem@rintintin.colorado.edu + +-- +Frank ""Crash"" Edwards Edwards & Edwards Consulting +Voice: 813/786-3675 crash%ckctpa@myrddin.sybus.com, but please +Data: 813/787-3675 don't ask UUNET to route it -- it's sloooow. + There will be times in life when everyone you meet smiles and pats you on + the back and tells you how great you are ... so hold on to your wallet. +";1;True +"From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) +Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is +Organization: sgi +Lines: 23 +NNTP-Posting-Host: solntze.wpd.sgi.com + +In article <1qkq9t$66n@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de>, frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes: +|> +|> I'll take a wild guess and say Freedom is objectively valuable. I base +|> this on the assumption that if everyone in the world were deprived utterly +|> of their freedom (so that their every act was contrary to their volition), +|> almost all would want to complain. Therefore I take it that to assert or +|> believe that ""Freedom is not very valuable"", when almost everyone can see +|> that it is, is every bit as absurd as to assert ""it is not raining"" on +|> a rainy day. I take this to be a candidate for an objective value, and it +|> it is a necessary condition for objective morality that objective values +|> such as this exist. + +My own personal and highly subjective opinion is that freedom +is a good thing. + +However, when I here people assert that the only ""true"" freedom +is in following the words of this and that Messiah, I realise +that people don't even agree on the meaning of the word. + +What does it mean to say that word X represents an objective +value when word X has no objective meaning? + +jon. +";9;True +"From: ata@hfsi.hfsi.com ( John Ata) +Subject: Re: DID HE REALLY RISE??? +Reply-To: +Organization: HFSI +Lines: 40 + +In article reedr@cgsvax.claremont.edu writes: + +>The basic problem with your argument is your total and complete reliance on +>the biblical text. Luke's account is highly suspect (I would refer you to +>the hermeneia commentary on Acts). Moreover Luke's account is written at +>least 90 years after the fact. In the meantime everyone he mentions has died +>and attempts to find actual written sources behind the text have come up +>with only the we section of the later portion of acts as firmly established. +>Moreover, Pauls account of some of the events in Acts (as recorded in +>Galatians) fail to establish the acts accounts. + +Even if there was no independent proof that Luke's account was +valid, I find it strange that you would take the negation of it as +truth without any direct historical evidence (at least that you've +mentioned) to back it up. The assertion was made, unequivocally +that no Christian ever sufferred for their faith by believing in +the Resurrection. Luke's account suggests otherwise, and in the +absence of direct eyewitnesses who can claim that Luke is mistaken, +then I suggest that this unequivocal assertion is suspect. + +>randy + + +-- +John G. Ata - Technical Consultant | Internet: ata@hfsi.com +HFS, Inc. VA20 | UUCP: uunet!hfsi!ata +7900 Westpark Drive MS:601 | Voice: (703) 827-6810 +McLean, VA 22102 | FAX: (703) 827-3729 + +[I think the original claim may have been somewhat more limited than +this. It was an answer to the claim that the witnesses couldn't +be lying because they were willign to suffer for their beliefs. +Thus it's not necessary to show that no Christian ever suffered +for believing in the Resurrection. Rather the issue is whether +those who witnessed it did. + +I do agree that the posting you're responding to shows that there +can be liberal as well as conservative dogmatism. + +--clh] +";17;True +"From: dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) +Subject: An Iranian Azeri Who Would Drop an Atomic Bomb on Armenia +Summary: fool +Article-I.D.: urartu.1993Apr15.231047.13120 +Organization: S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies +Lines: 70 + +In article <93104.101314FHM100F@ODUVM.BITNET> FARID +writes: + +[FARID] In support of the preservation of the territorial integrity of +[FARID] Azerbaijan and its independence from Russian rule, the Iranians which +[FARID] includes millions of Azerbaijanis will have Armenia retreat from the +[FARID] territory of Azerbaijan. + +Oh, they will? This should prove quite interesting! + +[FARID] To count on Iranian help to supposedly counter Turkish influence will +[FARID] be a fatal error on the part of Armenia as long as Armenia in +[FARID] violation of international law has Azerbaijani lands in occupation. + +Armenia is not counting on Iranian help. As far as violations of international +laws, which international law gives Azerbaijan the right to attack and +depopulate the Armenians in Karabakh? + +[FARID] If Armenian aggression continues in the territory of Azerbaijan, not +[FARID] only there won't be any aid from Iran to Armenia but also steps will +[FARID] be taken to have Armenian army back in Armenia. + +And who do you speak for? Rafsanjani? + +[FARID] The Azerbaijanis of Iran will be the guarantors of this policy. As for +[FARID] scaring Iranians or Turks from the Russian power, experts on present +[FARID] and future military potentials of these people would not put much +[FARID] stock on the Russain power as the sole power in the region for long!!! + +Well, Farid, your supposed experts are not expert! The Russians have had +non-stop influence in the Caucasus since the Treaty of Turkmanchay in 1828. +Hmm... that makes it 1993-1828 = 165 years! + +Oh, I see the Azeris from Iran are going to force out the Armenians from +Karabakh! That will be a real good trick! + +[FARID] Iran is not alian to developing the capability to produce the A bomb +[FARID] and a reliable delivery system (refer to recent news releases +[FARID] regarding the potential of Iran). + +So the Azeris from Iran are going to force the Armenians from Karabakh by +forcing the Iranian government to drop an atomic bomb on these Armenians. + +[FARID] The moral of the story is that, you don't go invading your neighbor's +[FARID] home (Azerbaijan) and flash Russia's guns when questioned about it. + +Oh, but it's just fine if you drop an atomic bomb on your neighbor! You are +a damn fool, Farid! + +[FARID] (Marshal Shapashnikov may have to eat his words regarding Turkey in a +[FARID] few short years!). + +So you are going to drop an atomic bomb on Russia as well. + +[FARID] Peaceful resolution of the Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict is the only +[FARID] way to go. Armenia may soon find the fruits of Aggression very bitter +[FARID] indeed. + +And the Armenians will take your ""peaceful"" dropping of an atomic bomb as +an example of Iranian Azeri benevolence! You sir are a poor example of an +Iranian Azeri! + +Ha! And to think I had a nice two day stay in Tabriz back in 1978! + + +-- +David Davidian dbd@urartu.sdpa.org | ""How do we explain Turkish troops on +S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies | the Armenian border, when we can't +P.O. Box 382761 | even explain 1915?"" +Cambridge, MA 02238 | Turkish MP, March 1992 +";15;True +"From: kirsch@staff.tc.umn.edu (Dave 'Almost Cursed the Jays' Kirsch) +Subject: Going to a Cubbies game .. +Keywords: tickets?, parking?, parka? +Nntp-Posting-Host: staff.tc.umn.edu +Organization: Li'l Carlos and the Hormones +Distribution: usa +Lines: 30 + + Well, after suffering from an intense fit of Minnesota-induced cabin fever, +I've decided to road trip to Milwaukee and take in a couple of games this +weekend. A couple games at County stadium will be great to relieve tension, +but I thought ""Why not go to Wrigley for a game too?"" + + I see the Cubs are playing the Phillies on Sat (2:05 start, I believe +that's Eastern time listed). I figured it would be fun to bounce down to +Wrigley for the day game and live it up a little. I'm wondering if anyone +(esp. Cubbie fans) have some advice on: + + 1) If I'm taking 41 (Skokie Hwy) south until it runs into 94, what's the + best way to get to Wrigley? I'm planning on getting there an hour or + two early and paying through the nose for parking to keep things easy. + + 2) Is it probable that I'll be able to walk up and get bleacher seats (2 or + 3) on game day? I figure since it's early in the year, Ryno's out and + the weather isn't great I should be able to get tickets. If not, what's + the best way to get advance tickets; can I call the Cubs' ticket office + directly and pick up tickets at the will call window? + + 3) Any advice on where to eat before or after the game? + + 4) Do they allow inflatable I-luv-ewe dolls (present from Lundy) into the + bleachers? :-) + +-- +Dave Hung Like a Jim Acker Slider Kirsch Blue Jays - Do it again in '93 +kirsch@staff.tc.umn.edu New .. quotes out of context! +""Not to beat a dead horse, but it's been a couple o' weeks .. this + disappoints me..punishments..discharges..jackhammering.."" - Stephen Lawrence +";14;True +"Subject: PACE MODEM +From: mora@verdi.cineca.it (Stefano Mora) +Distribution: world +Nntp-Posting-Host: verdi.eng.unipr.it +Lines: 19 + +Hi, +I've got a PACE MODEM , Series Four 2400s ( made in England by +PACE Micro Technology ) with a broken power supply . +So I'd like to know : + +- the voltage and current values of the original + power supply PS1001. +- the pinout of the power supply connector. +- the pinout of the USER PORT and how to use it. + +Many thanks in advance to all the people help me. +Please post the reply also to my e-mail.......... + ++--------------------------------------------------+ +| | +| Sender: Stefano Mora | +| eMail : mora@verdi.eng.unipr.it | +| | ++--------------------------------------------------+ +";11;True +"From: dmaluso@MtHolyoke.edu (Diane Maluso) +Subject: Quadra 800 configurations?? +Article-I.D.: slab.1ps093$f0u +Organization: Mount Holyoke College +Lines: 19 +NNTP-Posting-Host: slab.mtholyoke.edu +X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 + + +I've noticed some of you mentioning owning a Quadra 800 8/230 with CD300 +and 1meg of VRAM. It seems that this configuration was purchased +complete; that is, the CD300 and VRAM were already installed in the box. +I am interested in that exact configuration and will be buying with an +educational discount but have not found the CD300 bundled with any Q800 +smaller than the 8/500. +If you bought or know how to buy the 8/230 with CD installed, please let +me know what you know via email: +send messages to dmaluso@mhc.mtholyoke.edu +Thanks, all. +Diane Maluso +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= += Diane Maluso INTERNET: dmaluso@mhc.mtholyoke.edu = += Department of Psychology and Education = += Mount Holyoke College = += South Hadley, MA 01075 = += (413) 538-2107 = +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= +";0;True +"From: jwh@sei.cmu.edu (John Huber) +Subject: Re: NHL Team Captains +Organization: The Software Engineering Institute +Lines: 27 + + +In article <1993Apr19.213015@IASTATE.EDU>, njdevils@IASTATE.EDU (Cire Y. Trehguad) writes: +|> Anna Matyas (am2x+@andrew.cmu.edu) wrote: +|> : Michael Collingridge writes: +|> : >And, while we are on the subject, has a captain ever been traded, +|> : >resigned, or been striped of his title during the season? Any other +|> : >team captain trivia would be appreciated. +|> ; +|> : Wasn't Ron Francis captain of the Whalers when he was traded to +|> : Pittsburgh? +|> +|> And Rick Tochett was the captain of the Flyers when traded to the Pens +|> recently... +|> + +And of course, Mike Ramsey was (at one time) the captain in Buffalo prior to +being traded to Pittsburgh. Currently, the Penguins have 3 former captains +and 1 real captain (Lemieux) playing for them. They rotate the A's during the +season (and even the C while Mario was out). Even Troy Loney has worn the C +for the Pens. + +-Jay + + +John W. Huber, Jr. - aka Jay | Penguins - 1991,1992 Stanley Cup Champions +Software Engineering Institute | Pirates - 1990,1991,1992 NL East Champions +SEI 3409 (412) 268-3550 | MasterCraft - The ONLY boat for skiing +";13;True +"From: steph@cs.uiuc.edu (Dale Stephenson) +Subject: Defensive Averages 1988-1992, Third Base +Summary: career defensive averages at third +Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL +Lines: 68 + +Compiled from the last five Defensive Average reports, here are the career +DAs for the individual players in the reports. Stats are courtesy of +Sherri Nichols. Players are listed in descending order. + +Third Basemen +------------- + +Name 1988 1989 1990 1991 1992 88-92 +Mitchell, Kevin .690 ---- ---- ---- ---- 0.690 +Gonzales, Rene .685 ---- ---- ---- ---- 0.685 +Leius, Scott ---- ---- ---- .653 .680 0.672 +Pendleton, Terry .692 .685 .631 .689 .634 0.667 +Ventura, Robin ---- ---- .641 .647 .677 0.657 +Wallach, Tim .728 .674 .600 .630 .665 0.657 +Gruber, Kelly .717 .657 .580 .630 .664 0.650 +Pagliarulo, Mike .631 ---- .575 .744 ---- 0.649 +Harris, Lance ---- ---- .642 .652 ---- 0.648 +Howell, Jack .656 .666 .609 ---- ---- 0.647 +Williams, Matt ---- ---- .633 .653 .656 0.647 +Caminiti, Ken ---- .675 .630 .653 .596 0.642 +Sabo, Chris .751 .626 .616 .613 .575 0.642 +Gaetti, Gary .616 .638 .655 .632 ---- 0.637 +Buechele, Steve .647 .616 .647 .681 .599 0.635 +Salazar, Luis ---- .617 .643 .637 ---- 0.632 +Pecota, Bill ---- ---- ---- .629 ---- 0.629 +Schmidt, Mike .628 ---- ---- ---- ---- 0.628 +Riles, Ernie ---- .627 ---- ---- ---- 0.627 +Boggs, Wade .643 .659 .550 .653 .634 0.626 +Martinez, Egdar ---- ---- .621 .645 .599 0.624 +Molitor, Paul .633 .617 ---- ---- ---- 0.624 +Phillips, Tony ---- ---- .623 ---- ---- 0.623 +*NL Average* .643 .625 .602 .623 .603 0.619 +Brookens, Tom .616 ---- ---- ---- ---- 0.616 +King, Jeff ---- ---- .616 ---- ---- 0.616 +Seitzer, Kevin .654 .583 .593 ---- .635 0.616 +*AL Average* .641 .612 .604 .620 .602 0.615 +Jacoby, Brook .624 .621 .600 ---- .597 0.613 +Hansen, Dave ---- ---- ---- ---- .611 0.611 +Law, Vance .635 .576 ---- ---- ---- 0.611 +Magadan, Dave ---- ---- ---- ---- .609 0.609 +Jefferies, Greg ---- ---- ---- ---- .606 0.606 +Sharperson, Mike ---- ---- .606 ---- ---- 0.606 +Zeile, Todd ---- ---- ---- .614 .593 0.605 +Baerga, Carlos ---- ---- ---- .604 ---- 0.604 +Hayes, Chris ---- .601 .622 .606 .574 0.602 +Livingstone, Scott ---- ---- ---- ---- .597 0.597 +Hamilton, J. .611 .584 ---- ---- ---- 0.595 +Kelly, Pat ---- ---- ---- .595 ---- 0.595 +Lyons, Steve .590 ---- ---- ---- ---- 0.590 +Oberkfell, Ken .590 ---- ---- ---- ---- 0.590 +Johnson, Howard .628 .549 .611 .573 ---- 0.588 +Bell, Buddy .587 ---- ---- ---- ---- 0.587 +Lansford, Carney .620 .578 .594 ---- .550 0.587 +Presley, Jim .643 .595 .530 ---- ---- 0.584 +Schu, Rick ---- .584 ---- ---- ---- 0.584 +Worthington, Cal ---- .583 .575 ---- ---- 0.580 +Hollins, Dave ---- ---- ---- ---- .577 0.577 +Sheffield, Gary ---- ---- .584 ---- .567 0.575 +Blauser, Jeff ---- .573 ---- ---- ---- 0.573 +Fryman, Travis ---- ---- ---- .571 ---- 0.571 +Gantner, Jim ---- ---- ---- .570 ---- 0.570 +Gomez, Lee ---- ---- ---- .551 .542 0.546 +Palmer, Dean ---- ---- ---- ---- .520 0.520 +-- +Dale J. Stephenson |*| (steph@cs.uiuc.edu) |*| Grad Student At Large + + ""It is considered good to look wise, especially when not + overburdened with information"" -- J. Golden Kimball +";14;True +"From: smh2@crux3.cit.cornell.edu (Seenu M Hariprasad) +Subject: SONY MHC-3600 BOOKSHELF STEREO SYSTEM +Nntp-Posting-Host: crux3.cit.cornell.edu +Organization: Cornell University +Lines: 25 + + Forsale: + SONY MHC-3600 HI-FI Bookshelf stereo system + -9 months old + -CD player + -2 tape decks + -Digital graphic equilizer + -Tuner + -4 speakers 60watts/channel + -TOP OF THE LINE SONY BOOKSHELF SYSTEM + + Includes amazing remote that actually splits into two! Everything + can be done from the remote (remote has digital display!). + Has the highest quality sound-amazing bass! + Not one scratch on system. VERY WELL TAKEN CARE OF. + + Originally purchased for $1299 + tax. + I need cash, and I am looking to get around $750 for it. + Since I really need the money, I will sell it to the person who gives me + the highest offer, and I WILL ACCEPT THE BEST OFFER if not $750. + Buyer pays insured shipping. + + Reply soon if intereseted. + + Thanks. + +";8;True +"From: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) +Subject: Re: BATF/FBI Murders Almost Everyone in Waco Today! 4/19 +Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc. +Lines: 35 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: dale.handheld.com + +In article <1993Apr20.151131.8531@news.uit.no> paale@stud.cs.uit.no (Paal +Ellingsen) writes: +> In article <1r0qsrINNc61@clem.handheld.com>, Jim De Arras writes: +> |> Mr. Roby, you are a government sucking heartless bastard. Humans died +> |> yesterday, humans who would not have died if the FBI had not taken the +actions +> |> they did. That is the undeniable truth. +> +> ....the question is: for how long? Even if the FBI had done nothing, I guess +the +> BDs would have committed suicide, but maybe not until hunger and thirst gave +them +> the choice between sucide or surrender. +> The BDs was warned in beforehand about the FBI action. They HAD the chance to +> surrender and get a fair trial. No matter who started the fire, the BDs were +> responsible for 80+ peole dying. No one else. +> + +This is, of course, your opinion. I differ greatly. There can be NO doubt the +FBI at least shares in the blame. + +> -- +> ============================================================================ +> Paal Ellingsen | Borgensvingen 67/102 | Tlf.: 083 50933 +> paale@stud.cs.uit.no | 9100 Kvaloeysletta | DATA = Dobbelt Arbeid Til Alle +> ============================================================================ + +-- +jmd@handheld.com +------------------------------------------------------------------------------- +""I'm always rethinking that. There's never been a day when I haven't rethought +that. But I can't do that by myself."" Bill Clinton 6 April 93 +""If I were an American, as I am an Englishman, while a foreign troop was landed +in my country, I never would lay down my arms,-never--never--never!"" +WILLIAM PITT, EARL OF CHATHAM 1708-1778 18 Nov. 1777 +";3;True +"From: jag@ampex.com (Rayaz Jagani) +Subject: Re: Homeopathy: a respectable medical tradition? +Nntp-Posting-Host: dst-s4-21 +Organization: Ampex Corporation, Redwood City CA +Lines: 27 + +In article <19609@pitt.UUCP> geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes: +>In article <3794@nlsun1.oracle.nl> rgasch@nl.oracle.com (Robert Gasch) writes: +>> +>>In many European countries Homepathy is accepted as a method of curing +>>(or at least alleiating) many conditions to which modern medicine has +>>no answer. In most of these countries insurance pays for the +>>treatments. +>> +> +>Accepted by whom? Not by scientists. There are people +>in every country who waste time and money on quackery. +>In Britain and Scandanavia, where I have worked, it was not paid for. +>What are ""most of these countries?"" I don't believe you. +> +> + +When were you in Britain?, my information is different. + +From Miranda Castro, _The Complete Homeopathy Handbook_, +ISBN 0-312-06320-2, oringinally published in Britain in 1990. + +From Page 10, +.. and in 1946, when the National Health Service was established, +homeopathy was included as an officially approved method +of treatment. + + +";4;True +"From: drinckes@tssc.wlg.nec.co.jp (Doug Rinckes) +Subject: Re: RGV and posing!! +Nntp-Posting-Host: 133.206.251.21 +Reply-To: drinckes@tssc.wlg.nec.co.jp +Organization: Telecommunications Systems Support Centre, New Zealand +Lines: 18 + +In article 25444@dsd.es.com, bgardner@pebbles.es.com (Blaine Gardner) writes: +>In article speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer) writes: +>>In article <2553@spam.maths.adelaide.edu.au> amydlak@spam.maths.adelaide.edu.au (Adam Mydlak) writes: +> +>>>[Squid deleted] +> +>> 5. Helment laws vary from state to state. In my state (Louisiana) it is +>>the law. I personaly, would not go 2 feet on a bike without one law or no +>>law. A helment will save your life. +> +>I'll go 2 feet, but I draw the line at 3. + +I'll see your 3 and raise you 4. + +Doug Rinckes drinckes@tssc.wlg.nec.co.jp New Zealand TSSC Ltd +1976 BMW R100S 1960 BMW R60 1940 Indian 741A + + +";7;True +"From: schroedj@cnsvax.uwec.edu +Subject: ForSale 286 and Hard-drive +Organization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire +Lines: 17 + +Packer Bell 12MHZ 286 + * 5 16bit expansion slots + * 2 5.25"" external drive bays (floppies) + * 1 3.5"" internal drive bay (hard-drive) + * 1.44MB 3.5"" floppy drive + * 1MB of RAM + +$140 or Best offer (including shipping) + +Segate 32MB ST138N SCSI Hard-drive + * Great shape + * Controller + * 32MB + * 3.5"" format + +$85 or best offer (including shipping) + +";8;True +"From: marc@mit.edu (Marc Horowitz N1NZU) +Subject: Re: The source of that announcement +Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology +Lines: 19 +NNTP-Posting-Host: oliver.mit.edu +In-reply-to: tcmay@netcom.com's message of Sun, 18 Apr 1993 08:17:28 GMT + +In article tcmay@netcom.com (Timothy C. May) writes: + + I know that at least one person on that list says the first he heard + of Clipper was in the Friday morning newspaper! And another has + already fired off a letter of protest to NIST. + + My point? I suspect this list, interesting as it is for various + reasons, does not represent the cabal that put this proposal together. + Some of them, yes. Others, no. + +I received mail from Mitch Kapor saying that he did not ask to be on +the list, and does not know why he was added. I'm sure the same +applies to others on the list. So, I guess my initial theory was +right, that the clipper list was just someone's idea of a bad joke. I +guess I should be happy it wasn't a conspiracy. + + Marc +-- +Marc Horowitz N1NZU 617-253-7788 +";16;True +"From: alaramor@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Aaron C Laramore) +Subject: Re: race and violence +Nntp-Posting-Host: top.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu +Organization: The Ohio State University +Distribution: usa +Lines: 29 + +Joe, + + As usual, this issue of dysfunction, of bad values, of messed up culture +is easily embraced by non african americans when it comes to explaining +problems in our community. From your post, you apparently find the idea that +something is wrong with African Americans, value-wise, culture wise or +something, very appealing. I never cease to be amazed at how eager non african +americans are to embrace theories about our problems which basically assert +that something is wrong with us. The socio-economic factors which we know help +to produce high crime levels, like poverty, which exists among us in large +proportion, I mean when it comes to discussion of african american problems, we +somehow become exempt from all these types of factors, and the problem is +laid at the doorstep of some neboulous dysfunction we supposedly have. But +nobody attributes crime amongst white americans to dysfunction. No, that has +socioeconomic factors to it, but for africa americans, its gotta be a +dysfunction. + +Basically, I think this tendency for non african americans to believe that +something is wrong with us exists because non african americans don't want to +deal with the possiblility that the society is deeply biased against african +americans, and that this is about 80% of the problem. It could not possible be +that the society is so deeply racist and structured against us, that this has +a very effective negative effect on us. No, something is wrong with us. +Non african americans are quick to disregard what we have to say, because they +are so busy trying to find something wrong with us, instead of taking a good +hard look at the thing we say are doing us damage. I would get angry if it +werent' so damn typical. + +Peace - Aaron +";18;True +"Subject: Bungee After Dark module uploaded +From: ajbennett@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Andrew Bennett) +Organization: Spandex Admirers Intl. +Lines: 17 + +Hey folks! + +Just moments ago, I uploaded the Bungee Jumper After Dark module that +was widely talked about on here some time ago. + +It's at ftp.cica.indiana.edu, in /pub/pc/win3/uploads, titled simply +bungee.zip. + +Be sure to set your ftp connection to binary mode before downloading. +If you have any other After Dark shareware/freeware modules, please +upload them too. The more the merrier. + + +Andrew +-- + +Andrew Bennett ajbennett@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu What planet are you from? +";6;True +"From: joslin@pogo.isp.pitt.edu (David Joslin) +Subject: Re: Kind, loving, merciful and forgiving GOD! +Organization: Intelligent Systems Program +Lines: 46 + +m23364@mwunix.mitre.org (James Meritt) writes: +>}(4) So the fact that Stephen did not reply to A does not justify the +>} conclusion that Stephen condoned taking quotes out of context in A +>Excellent. Now under what conditions could such a conclusion be made, other +>than a direct assertion by his part. + +Replace ""Stephen"" with ""David Joslin,"" since you directed the same +accusation of hypocrisy at me. In e-mail to me you wrote: + In t.r.m. Robert Weiss writes [a promise from Psalm 9:10] + Gee, since you wouldn't be at all hypocritical, you must be really + busy arguing against these out-of-context extracted translations! + +As you may recall, you mailed me six mail messages quoting articles by +Robert Weiss, all sent within a few minutes of each other. You added: + Naturally, I await your arguments against this out-of-context + translation. But I shall not await holding my breath... +and + Wonder when you get to sleep, disputing all these out-of-context + extracted translations! +and other similar comments. + +Perhaps you could explain why you ever thought that I might have a +reason to read all of these articles you pulled off of t.r.m, much +less write responses to them? + + +>Have you, by chance, ever even heard of inductive logic? You are not +>demonstrating any familiarly with it (i.e. you are being insufficiently +>logical). + +I am familiar with inductive logic. Go ahead and give me the details +of the ""logic"" that led you to conclude, incorrectly, that I would +condone Robert Weiss taking verses out of context. Your conclusion was +wrong, of course, since I agree that both you and Robert Weiss were +guity of taking verses out of context. Nothing hypocritical about +that, is there? + +Since you reached a false conclusion, you made some mistake in your +""logic."" The only question is where. Did you think that it would +be hypocritical for me not to post a reply to Robert Weiss' articles? +Did you make the common creationist error of confusing a lack of +evidence for X with evidence for the lack of X? Is your grasp of +inductive logic not quite as firm as you think? See if you can figure +out what your mistake was, and learn from it. + +dj +";19;True +"From: bassili@cs.arizona.edu (Amgad Z. Bassili) +Subject: Need a book +Lines: 4 + +I appreciate if anyone can point out some good books about the dead sea +scrolls of Qumran. Thanks in advance. + +Please reply by e-mail at +";17;True +"From: am37@ellis.uchicago.edu (Drewster) +Subject: Re: Utility for updating Win.ini and system.ini +Reply-To: am37@midway.uchicago.edu +Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations +Lines: 16 + +In article <1993Apr20.085638.29338@news.uit.no> sp@odin.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Svein Pedersen) writes: +>I nead a utility for updating (deleting, adding, changing) *.ini files for Windows. +> +>Do I find it on any FTP host? +> +>Svein +> + +Unless I am completely misunderstanding you, try using either Notepad or +sysedit.exe (found in your system subdirectory) to edit you .ini files. + +The sysedit.exe program is cool because it automatically opens you win.ini, +system.ini, autoexec.bat and config.sys files to be edited. + +Drewster (am37@kimbark.uchicago.edu) + +";6;True +"From: steve-b@access.digex.com (Steve Brinich) +Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more. +Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA +Lines: 5 +Distribution: na +NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net + + Agreed. This is like the Bay of Pigs fiasco (planned by the Eisenhower +Administration but given the final green light by Kennedy). + To be sure, hen it all went down, Kennedy was at least man enough to take +full responsibility, which is not what I expect from Slick Willie Clinton.... + +";16;True +"From: bruceg@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Bruce Gimble) +Subject: built in video +Article-I.D.: geraldo.1pqt5nINN605 +Reply-To: bruceg@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Bruce Gimble) +Distribution: usa +Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX +Lines: 14 +NNTP-Posting-Host: sneezy.cc.utexas.edu +Originator: bruceg@sneezy.cc.utexas.edu + +I have MANY questions for all you experts out there pertaining to apple's +built-in video. + +#1, Do all macs that have built-in video have the ability to use VGA monitors? +#2, If so/if not, which macs have this capability? +#3, Can they drive SVGA as well? +#4, how big of a vga monitor can they drive? +#5, how can you tell if an unlabeled monitor is VGA? By the pinouts? + if so, what should it look like? + +Particularly, i'm interested in knowing if the si or ci drive VGA, as well +as the LC's capabilities in driving VGA/SVGA + +Thanks!!! +";0;True +"From: dp@cec1.wustl.edu (David Prutchi) +Subject: Re: EEG Kit? +Nntp-Posting-Host: cec1 +Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO +Lines: 30 + +In article cantrell@sauron.msfc.nasa.gov (Eric Cantrell) writes: +>Awhile back someone posted some information on where you can get +>kits to build an EEG. Does anyone remember where you could get +>this. I'm very interested in getting some info on this. Thanks +>in advance. +> +>eric +> +>cantrell@sauron.msfc.nasa +> + +Contact Circuit Cellar Inc., 4 Park St. - Suite 12, Vernon, CT 06066 +(203)875-2751, FAX (203)872-2204 and inquire about HAL-4 EEG Biofeedback +Brainwave Analyzer. + +In addition, if you want to build your own system from board-level compo- +nents (biosignal amplifiers, analog isolators and isolated multiplexers) +you can contact The Davron Group,P.O. Box 237, Deerfield, IL 60015 +FAX (708)948-9290. + +- David + + ++------------------------------------------------------------+ +| David Prutchi HC1DT | +| Washington University | +| Campus Box 1185 | +| One Brookings Drive | +| St. Louis, MO 63130-4899 | ++------------------------------------------------------------+ +";11;True +"From: cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) +Subject: Re: Professors Whining About Pay +Distribution: usa +Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA +Lines: 53 + +In article <1qf2kqINNrkd@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov>, fogarty@sir-c.jpl.nasa.gov (Tim Fogarty) writes: +> In article <15320@optilink.COM>, cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes: +> |>In article <1q4k3bINNe6k@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov>, fogarty@sir-c.jpl.nasa.gov (Tim Fogarty) writes: +> |>> In article <15307@optilink.COM>, cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes: +# |## |#2. Professors get summers off; industry employees don't. +# |## +# |## What professor gets the summer off ? The primary purpose of a professor +# |## at a university is to publish. Teaching is secondary. The summer +# |## is when professors are able to do the research required for their +# |## papers. +# |# +# |#I'm told by my advisor that only at some universities is publishing +# |#the primary emphasis; many professors in the Cal State University +# |#system don't publish at all. Those that prefer teaching are under +# |#no pressure to publish. +# |# +# +# When discussing and issue, it helps that all participants use the same +# definitions, although this rarely occurs on Usenet. +# +# When I use the term ""university"", I think of an organization that has +# a Bachelors, Masters, and PhD program. I believe that Cal State schools +# do not. I call them colleges. UC schools are universities. At a univeristy +# the number one goal is to publish. + +Cal State University system offers bachlors and masters degrees. The +Ph.D. is not offered, because of opposition from UC. + +# At the Cal State schools, do the professors you speak of have PhDs? At + +Nearly all the professors have PhDs. I haven't had a professor who didn't, +though my wife has had a couple of professors with just an M.A. A friend +had an instructor who didn't have a degree at all, but because he had +been Minister of Culture for the Black Panthers, he was teaching anyway. +He had a bad habit of usually not showing up to teach the class, and +finally quit in disgust at the racism of a university that expected him +to show up to teach. + +# a university you have professors with PhDs and then Teaching Assistants (TAs). +# TAs were the slave labor, graduate students who got their tuition paid, and +# a few hundred a month for living expenses in exchange for doing all the grunt +# work. The professors taught the lectures, with 100 to 500 students per class, +# then the TAs taught the labs, with 20 to 30 per class. +# +# Tim Fogarty (FOGARTY@SIR-C.JPL.NASA.GOV) + +At Sonoma State University, typical class size is 20 to 30 per class. +Teaching is definitely more the goal, and sometimes, it actually happens. +The best professors at Sonoma State U. are equivalent to the best +professors I had at UCLA and USC. +-- +Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer My opinions, all mine! +Relations between people to be by mutual consent, or not at all. +";18;True +"From: dlecoint@garnet.acns.fsu.edu (Darius_Lecointe) +Subject: Re: Some questions from a new Christian +Organization: Florida State University +Lines: 27 + +18669@bach.udel.edu (Steven R Hoskins) writes: + +> ... I realize I am very ignorant about much of the Bible and +> quite possibly about what Christians should hold as true. This I am trying +> to rectify (by reading the Bible of course), but it would be helpful +> to also read a good interpretation/commentary on the Bible or other +> relevant aspects of the Christian faith. One of my questions I would +> like to ask is - Can anyone recommend a good reading list of theological +> works intended for a lay person? + +I won't even recommend books from my congregation. What you ask sounds +attractive but it is dangerous. As a new Christian you don't want to be +contaminated with other people's interpretation. Steep your self in +scripture, and discuss with other christians. Read if your must but +remember that what other people write is their interpretation. God has +promised to give you light, so ask for it. + +> I have another question I would like to ask. I am not yet affiliated +> with any one congregation. Aside from matters of taste, what criteria +> should one use in choosing a church? I don't really know the difference +> between the various Protestant denominations. + + +Don't wait too long before attaching yourself to church. Just remember to +always compare what they teach you with scripture like the Bereans did. + +Darius +";17;True +"From: downey@homer.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Allen B. Downey) +Subject: Re: Speeding ticket from CHP +Organization: University of California, Berkeley +Lines: 13 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: homer.cs.berkeley.edu + +Paraphrase of initial post: + + Can I fight a speeding ticket in court? + +My reply: + + Fight your ticket : California edition by David Brown 1st ed. + Berkeley, CA : Nolo Press, 1982 + +The second edition is out (but not in UCB's library). Good luck; let +us know how it goes. + +ABD +";7;True +"From: aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer) +Subject: Re: Sixty-two thousand (was Re: How many read sci.space?) +Organization: Evil Geniuses for a Better Tomorrow +Lines: 23 + +In article <1993Apr15.131954.1@fnalf.fnal.gov> higgins@fnalf.fnal.gov (Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey) writes: + +>Reid, alas, gives us no measure of the ""power/influence"" of readers... +>Sorry, Mark. + +I think I can. Largely as a result of efforts by people reading this group +writing letters and making phone calls the following has happened: + +1. NASA reprogrammed funds to keep NASP alive in 1991. +2. Efforts to kill DC-X and the SSRT progam where twice twarted + (Feb. and June of last year). +3. Gouldin kept his job in spite of heavy lobbying against him. + +This may not be what Mark was thinking of but it shows that the +readers of sci.space DO have power and influence. + + Allen + +-- ++---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +| Lady Astor: ""Sir, if you were my husband I would poison your coffee!"" | +| W. Churchill: ""Madam, if you were my wife, I would drink it."" | ++----------------------58 DAYS TO FIRST FLIGHT OF DCX-----------------------+ +";2;True +"From: peter.m@insane.apana.org.au (Peter Tryndoch) +Subject: Telephone On Hook/Off Hok +Lines: 17 + +AllMichael CovingtonTelephone on hook/off hok + +MC>From: mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) +MC>Organization: AI Programs, University of Georgia, Athens +MC>Aye, there's the rub -- if you draw enough current to light an LED, th +MC>equipment at the phone company will think you've gone off hook. +MC>In the on-hook state you're not supposed to draw current. + +Ok lets have some calculation here: Going by Australian standards, which I +presume might be similar to other countries ( If not, lets have some +input) a phone uses 600ohm to loop a 48V line = 80mA. A standard LED +drains 20mA. So what is the actual loop current required for an ""off hook"" +indication, do you know? + +Cheers +Peter T. + +";11;True +"From: prasad@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Prasad Ramakrishna) +Subject: Exploding TV! +Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, VA +Lines: 19 +Distribution: usa +NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu + +I had a GE Emerson 13"" color TV for about 3 years and one fine day, +while we were watching something (I doubt if the program was the cause), +we heard a mild explosion. Our screen went blank but there was sound, +so we thought, 'oh we have special effects on the program'. But soon +the sound stopped and smoke started to appear at the back of the TV. +The brilliant EEs we are, we unplugged the TV and called customer service +only to be thrown around by please hold, I will transfer u to blah blah.. + Finally we abandoned the idea of trying to fix the TV and got a new one +(we wanted a bigger one too!). + After all the story, what I wanted to know is: Is my problem an isolated +incident or a common one? (I recall reading about Russian TVs exploding, but +not here, in the US). Why would the picture tube explode or even smoke? + I still have the left over TV set, I might dig into it this summer. Any +idea where I can get parts for these things? (probably will cost more than TV). + +W/my 0.02 +Prasad +prasadr@vtvm1.cc.vt.edu + +";11;True +"Subject: Re: Rheaume start +From: S960121@UMSLVMA.UMSL.EDU +Organization: UM-St. Louis +NNTP-Posting-Host: umslvma.umsl.edu +X-Newsreader: NNR/VM S_1.3.2 +Lines: 12 + +Just a quick note about Manon's immediate future: Rumor has it(USA Today's spor +ts page) that she will be playing with Tampa Bay's affiliate in the ECHL(I Thin +k. It's been a couple of days. :)) She will supposedly be competing for the num +ber 2 goaltender spot. I think, after her performance, which was damn good for + someone who hasn't played squat all year, that we'll be seeing a lot more of h +er in Atlanta in the years to come. + + +Ward + +-Go Blades!! Bring home the Turner Cup, again!! + +";13;True +"From: gerrit@laosinh.stgt.sub.org (Gerrit Heitsch) +Subject: Re: What's a good IC for RS232 -> TTL signals?? +Distribution: world +Organization: Lao-Sinh project (private UUCP site) +Lines: 26 + +In article , Frank Holden KA3UWW writes: + +> >I'm looking for an IC that will convert RS232 voltage levels to TTL voltage +> >levels. Something relatively inexpensive would be nice, too. Anyone have +> >a suggestion?? Thanks. +> +> Well it looks as if Digi-Key sells a chip with the number ICL232 that does what +> you want. They are selling it for about $3.50... + +Are you sure that he needs a two way converter? If he wants only +RS232->TTL I would suggest the MC1489, its very cheap (0.80 DM in +Germany). This chip needs only +5V. The MC1488 TTL->RS232-Converter +uses +12V and -12V. + +BTW... The MAX232 and compatibles seem to be expensive in the USA... +I paid 2.95 DM for a ITS80272 (made by Harris), its absolutely +compatible with the MAX232 or the ICL232. + +Gerrit + +-- + Gerrit Heitsch Moenchweg 16 7038 Holzgerlingen Germany + Logical adresses: UUCP: gerrit@laosinh.stgt.sub.org FIDO: (2:2407/106.9) +If we will ever be visited by Aliens, it will be very hard to explain, why a + lifeform, that is intelligent enough to build atomic weapons can be stupid + enough to do it. (taken from GEO special about space, page 88-91) +";11;True +"Subject: Organized Lobbying for Cryptography +From: kubo@zariski.harvard.edu (Tal Kubo) +Organization: Dept. of Math, Harvard Univ. +Nntp-Posting-Host: zariski.harvard.edu +Lines: 55 + +In article <4014.Apr2003.03.4093@silverton.berkeley.edu> +djb@silverton.berkeley.edu (D. J. Bernstein) writes: +> +>I want to see an organization which will combat such statements. +>Encryption does _not_ threaten the public safety, any more than ski +>masks do. Every American _is_ entitled to use strong encryption which +>ensures his own privacy and is _not_ crippled by a key-escrow system. +>I guess I'm looking for a ``League for Cryptographic Freedom.'' Or a +>``National Cryptography Association.'' + +An excellent idea. + +> +>To what extent does the EFF serve this purpose? Is a new organization +>necessary? Does it already exist? + +While I don't know the full scope of the activities of the EFF, +from what little I've seen I think it would be better to lobby for +strong cryptography through a distinct organization. + +The EFF has been associated with efforts to prevent the banning of sex +and pictures newsgroups at various universities. Horror stories about the +contents of those groups (e.g. exploitative pictures of possibly underaged +models) have already surfaced in the press. The White House bulletin +already raised the specter of drug-dealing and terrorism, which is only one +step removed from the old ""crypto-wielding child molester"" argument. An +EFF lobbying effort for cryptography would be too easily derailed by the +connection to child pornography and the like. + +Similarly, LPF is connected with Stallman and his Gnu project. In +light of, say, the Gnu Manifesto, this means that in a public debate it +stands to be labelled as ""communist"", ""anarchist hackers"", radical, etc. + +I don't know about CPSR, but if it is an offshoot of Physicians for Social +Responsibility (best known for Helen Caldicott and her hysterical +antinuclear lobbying) then it probably also carries unwelcome political +baggage. + +Perhaps for practical reasons a lobbying organization for cryptography +would best be formed under the umbrella of EFF or some other existing +group, but its charter should then be distinct, independent, and limited to +advocacy for the right to cryptography. To reiterate Dan Bernstein's +question: does any suitable organization exist? If not, what are you going +to do about it? + +Having mentioned the possible dangers of unwelcome political associations, +I would be remiss not to suggest something in the opposite direction: +gathering the support of the NRA by emphasizing the RKBA side of the +issue as well as the First-Amendment side. + + + +Tal kubo@math.harvard.edu + + +";16;True +"From: ray@netcom.com (Ray Fischer) +Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is +Organization: Netcom. San Jose, California +Lines: 25 + +frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes ... +>Plus questions for you: why do subjectivists/relativists/nihilists get so +>het up about the idea that relativism is *better* than objectivism? + +To the degree that relativism is a more accurate decription of the +truth than is objectivism, it provides more power and ability to +control events. + +Assuming, for the moment, that morals _are_ relative, then two +relativists can recognize that neither has a lock on the absolute +truth and they can proceed to negotiate a workable compromise that +produces the desired results. + +Assuming that there is an absolute morality, two disagreeing +objectivists can either be both wrong or just one of them right; there +is no room for compromise. Once you beleive in absolute morals, +you must accept that you are amoral or that everyone who disagrees +with you is amoral. + +Given a choice between a peaceful compromise or endless contention, +I'd say that compromise seems to be ""better"". + +-- +Ray Fischer ""Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth +ray@netcom.com than lies."" -- Friedrich Nietzsche +";19;True +"From: fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary) +Subject: Re: Carrying Arms +Nntp-Posting-Host: ucsu.colorado.edu +Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder +Distribution: usa +Lines: 32 + +In article <1993Apr5.220457.6800@spdc.ti.com> dwhite@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Dan White) writes: +> I have a question about the second amendment that has bothered +>me for awhile. The amendment guarentees our ""right to keep and bear +>arms."" Currently, the gun prohibitionists are trying to restrict or +>eliminate our right to keep arms with the Brady Bill and the assault +>weapon ban. However, haven't we already lost our right to bear arms? + +> It seems that in most states, like Texas, a citizen may own a +>gun and carry while at his home or business. But a citizen is severely +>restricted from bearing outside these areas. Here in Texas you cannot +>carry in your car except when ""traveling"" which is usually defined as +>""traveling across a county line."" How did this come about? Are there +>any court rulings on the legality of restricting the carrying of a +>weapon outside the home? + +There are, but not any that would help Texans: In many states, +such laws have been found to violate the state constitution. +But the federal Second Amendment does not apply directly to the +states. It was written to limit the federal government only. +The Fourteenth Amendment was written to extend the restrictions +of the Bill of Rights to the state level. However, the exact +wording of the Fourteenth Amendment is very vague. The Supreme +Court has been dancing around the issue without facing it +directly for over 100 years. In practice, the Bill of Right +(indirectly applies through the Fourteenth) applies to the +state governments only if the Supreme Court has ruled that +particular provision. The Court has made no such rulings on +the Second Amendment. + + Frank Crary + CU Boulder + +";3;True +"From: kolstad@cae.wisc.edu (Joel Kolstad) +Subject: Re: Wanted: A to D hardware for a PC +Article-I.D.: doug.1993Apr6.053736.23113 +Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering +Lines: 22 + +>In <3889@ncr-mpd.FtCollinsCO.NCR.COM> Brad Wright writes: +> +>> If you know much about PC's (IBM comp) you might try the joystick +>>port. Though I haven't tried this myself, I've been told that the port +>>has built in A-D converters. This would allow the joystick to be a couple of +>>pots. If you could find the specs this might just work for you... + +I believe that the ""A-D converters"" found on a joystick port are really +timers that tick off how long it takes an R-C circuit (the R being your +paddle) to charge up to something like 1/2 Vcc. For games this works +pretty well, but you certainly wouldn't want to try to take lab +measurements off something as non-linear as that. + +Hmm... I suppose you could linearize it in software, but the real problem +is that the precision of your measurement is no longer constant (higher +voltages would be more precise). + +On the other hand, I could be wrong and perhaps the game card designers +splurged for the extra $.50 to make a cheap constant current source out of +an op amp. But I wouldn't expect that... + + ---Joel Kolstad +";11;True +"From: rickert@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John H. Rickert) +Subject: Re: Players Rushed to Majors +Organization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman +Lines: 13 +Reply-To: rickert@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John H. Rickert) +NNTP-Posting-Host: g215a-1.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu + +In article <93122@hydra.gatech.EDU> re4@prism.gatech.EDU (RUSSELL EARNEST) +writes: +> This brings back the long suffering memories of pre-chop Braves fans who +> kept being promised the Bob Horner - Dale Murphy back to back power slam. +> Who could stop that? Guess we'll never know. + +Why not? Horner played 130 games in 1985 and hit 27 HR. +Murphy played 162 and hit 37. +In 1986 Horner hit 27 in 141 games and Murphy hit 29 in 160 games. +(and the Braves lost 96 and 89 games). + +john rickert +rickert@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu +";14;True +"From: moffatt@bnr.ca (John Thomson) +Subject: Re: What is Zero dB???? +Nntp-Posting-Host: bcarhdd +Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] +Lines: 33 + +marrevola@rediris.es wrote: +: In article <1993Apr6.132429.16154@bnr.ca>, moffatt@bnr.ca (John Thomson) writes: +: > Joseph Chiu (josephc@cco.caltech.edu) wrote: +: > +: > : And the measure of current, Amp, is actually named after both the AMP company +: > : and the Amphenol company. Both companies revolutionized electronics by +: > : simulatenously realizing that the performance of connectors and sockets +: > : were affected by the amount of current running through the wires. +: > +: > Sorry. The unit for current is the AMPERE which is the name of a french-man +: > named AMPERE who studied electrical current. The term AMP is just an abbreviation +: > of it. The company AMP came after the AMPERE unit was already in use. +: > +: > : The Ohmite company was the first to characterize resistances by numbers, thus +: > : our use of the Ohms... +: > +: > I don't know about this one, but it doesn't sound right. +: Are you (two) joking? +: Is the entire Internet flaming you (two)? +: Ahh!, now I remember that Ohmite company was the first introducing ""the pink +: colored resistor"", only for electronics working females ;-) +: -- +: Manuel Arrevola Velasco ||||| True e-mail: manolo@taf.fundesco.es ||||| +: DoD #1033 +: +Yes, I have taken a bit of flame on this one. I must've been half asleep when +I posted a response to Joseph. + +Greggo. +----- +Greg Moffatt moffatt@bnr.ca +Bell-Northern Research Inc., Ottawa Canada +""My opinions; not BNR's"" +";11;True +"From: farenebt@logic.camp.clarkson.edu (Droopy) +Subject: AHL final standings +Organization: Clarkson University +Lines: 35 +Nntp-Posting-Host: logic.clarkson.edu +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] + +FINAL 1992-93 AMERICAN HOCKEY LEAGUE STANDINGS + +NORTHERN DIVISION W L T PTS GF GA LYF* +Providence Bruins 46 32 2 94 384 348 56 +Adirondack Red Wings 36 35 9 81 331 308 84 +Capital District Isles 34 34 12 80 280 285 75 +Springfield Indians 25 41 14 64 282 336 94 +New Haven Senators 22 47 11 55 262 343 -- + +SOUTHERN DIVISION W L T PTS GF GA LYF +Binghamton Rangers 57 13 10 124# 392 246 91 +Rochester Americans 40 33 7 87 348 332 86 +Utica Devils 33 36 11 77 325 354 74 +Baltimore Skipjacks 28 40 12 68 318 353 66 +Hershey Bears 27 41 12 66 316 339 83 +Hamilton Canucks 29 45 6 64 284 327 -- + +ATLANTIC DIVISION W L T PTS GF GA LYF +St John's Maple Leafs 41 26 13 95 351 308 90 +Fredericton Canadiens 38 31 11 87 314 278 96 +Cape Breton Oilers 36 32 12 84 356 336 82 +Moncton Hawks 31 33 16 78 292 306 74 +Halifax Citadels 33 37 10 76 312 348 67 + +*- Last year's point total +#- League record total + + ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + + Bri Farenell farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu + + + AHL, ECAC and Boston Bruins contact for rec.sport.hockey + + + Adirondack Red Wings, Calder Cup Champs: '81 '86 '89 '92 + + + Clarkson Hockey, ECAC Tournament Champs: '66 '91 '93 + + + Glens Falls High Hockey, NY Division II State Champs: '90 '91 + + + AHL fans: join the AHL mailing list: ahl-news-request@andrew.cmu.edu + + ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +";13;True +"From: joec@hilbert.cyprs.rain.com ( Joe Cipale) +Subject: Re: Clayton Need not Retract +Organization: Cypress Semi, Beaverton OR +Lines: 13 + +In article kaldis@romulus.rutgers.edu (Theodore A. Kaldis) writes: +>civilized society. The _ONLY_ way a homosexual can maintain even a +>modicum of respectability is by remaining in the closet. +>-- +> The views expressed herein are | Theodore A. Kaldis +> my own only. Do you seriously | kaldis@remus.rutgers.edu +> believe that a major university | {...}!rutgers!remus.rutgers.edu!kaldis +> as this would hold such views??? | + +Once again, it appears that the one-eyed man has appeared in the land of the sighted +and for some strange resaon has appointed himself the ruler and supreme power. + +Joe Cipale +";18;True +"From: Mark W. Dubin +Subject: Re: ringing ears +Originator: dubin@spot.Colorado.EDU +Keywords: ringing ears, sleep, depression +Nntp-Posting-Host: spot.colorado.edu +Reply-To: dubin@spot.colorado.edu +Organization: Univ. of Colorado-Boulder +Lines: 31 + +jfare@53iss6.Waterloo.NCR.COM (Jim Fare) writes: + +>A friend of mine has a trouble with her ears ringing. [etc.] + + +A. Folks, do we have an FAQ on tinnitus yet? + +B. As a lo-o-o-ong time sufferer of tinnitus and as a neuroscientist +who has looked over the literature carefully I believe the following +are reasonable conclusions: + +1. Millions of people suffer from chronic tinnitus. +2. The cause it not understood. +3. There is no accepted treatment that cures it. +4. Some experimental treatments may have helped some people a bit, but +there have be no reports--even anecdotal--of massive good results with +any of these experimental drugs. +5. Some people with chronic loud tinnitus use noise blocking to get to sleep. +6. Sudden onset loud tinnitus can be caused by injuries and sometimes +abates or goes away after a few months. +7. Aspirin is well known to exacerbate tinnitus in some people. +8. There is a national association of tinnitus sufferers in the US. +9. One usually gets used to it. Especially when concentrating on +something else the tinnitus becomes unnoticed. +10. Stress and lack of sleep make tinnitus more annoying, sometimes. +11. I'm sure those of us who have it wish there was a cure, but there +is not. + +Mark dubin +the ol' professor + +";4;True +"From: mrb@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (m..bruncati) +Subject: Re: Smoker's Lungs +Article-I.D.: cbnewsj.1993Apr6.161858.12132 +Distribution: na +Organization: AT&T +Lines: 15 + +In article <1993Apr5.123315.48837@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, bennett@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes: +> How long does it take a smoker's lungs to clear of the tar after quitting? +> Does your chances of getting lung cancer decrease quickly or does it take +> a considerable amount of time for that to happen? + + + +Seems to me that I read in either a recent NY Times +Science Times or maybe it was Science News that there is +evidence that ex-smoker's risk of lung cancer never returns +to that of a person who has never smoked (I think it may +get close). I'll find the article and post it since my +memory is hazy on the specifics - if you are interested. + +Michael +";4;True +"From: jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond) +Subject: Re: Do we need a Radiologist to read an Ultrasound? +Organization: Dixie Communications Public Access. The Mouth of the South. +Lines: 28 + +E.J. Draper writes: + +>If it were my wife, I would insist that a radiologist be involved in the +>process. Radiologist are intensively trained in the process of +>interpreting diagnostic imaging data and are aware of many things that +>other physicians aren't aware of. + +Maybe, maybe not. A new graduate would obviously be well trained (but +perhaps without sufficient experience). A radiologist trained 10 or +15 years ago who has not kept his continuing education current is a +whole 'nuther matter. A OB who HAS trained in modern radiology technology +is certainly more qualified than the latter and at least equal to +the former. + +>Would you want a radiologist to +>deliver your baby? If you wouldn't, then why would you want a OB/GYN to +>read your ultrasound study? + +If the radiologist is also trained in OB/GYN, why not? + +John + +-- +John De Armond, WD4OQC |Interested in high performance mobility? +Performance Engineering Magazine(TM) | Interested in high tech and computers? +Marietta, Ga | Send ur snail-mail address to +jgd@dixie.com | perform@dixie.com for a free sample mag +Lee Harvey Oswald: Where are ya when we need ya? +";4;True +"From: dcd@se.houston.geoquest.slb.com (Dan Day) +Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)... +Nntp-Posting-Host: mudd.se.houston.geoquest.slb.com +Organization: GeoQuest System, Inc. Houston +Lines: 13 + +In article <1qke5b$mc4@spool.mu.edu> jason@studsys.mscs.mu.edu (Jason Hanson) writes: +>>From article <1993Apr15.024246.8076@Virginia.EDU>, by ejv2j@Virginia.EDU (""Erik Velapoldi""): +>>> This happened about a year ago on the Washington DC Beltway. +>>> Snot nosed drunken kids decided it would be really cool to +>>> throw huge rocks down on cars from an overpass. Four or five +>>> cars were hit. There were several serious injuries, and sadly +> +>About a year ago, some kids tossed a rock off an overpass on I-94 near Eau +>Claire, Wisconsin and it killed the driver below. (I believe he was a +>schoolteacher from Minnesota.) + +Here in Houston a couple years ago a young pregnant woman was killed +in a similar manner. +";10;True +"From: etxmow@garbo.ericsson.se (Mats Winberg) +Subject: Re: HELP for Kidney Stones .............. +Nntp-Posting-Host: garboc29.ericsson.se +Organization: Ericsson +Lines: 15 + + + Isn't there a relatively new treatment for kidney stones involving + a non-invasive use of ultra-sound where the patient is lowered + into some sort of liquid when he/she undergoes treatment? I'm sure + I've read about it somewhere. If I remember it correctly it is a + painless and effective treatment. + A couple of weeks ago I visited a hospital here in Stockholm and + saw big signs showing the way to the ""Kidney stone chrusher"" ... + + + + Mats Winberg + Stockholm, Sweden + + +";4;True +"From: an030@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Broward Horne) +Subject: Re: Clinton's immunization program +Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) +Lines: 10 +Reply-To: an030@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Broward Horne) +NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu + + +In a previous article, paul@hsh.com (Paul Havemann) says: + +>All together now... c'mon, you know the words... ""Meet the new boss! Same as +>the old boss!"" And the chorus: ""We won't get fooled again!"" + ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ + Hmmm. Can I, eh, get a little side bet on this one? + + + +";18;True +"From: bhjelle@carina.unm.edu () +Subject: Re: My New Diet --> IT WORKS GREAT !!!! +Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque +Lines: 27 +NNTP-Posting-Host: carina.unm.edu + + +Gordon Banks: + +>a lot to keep from going back to morbid obesity. I think all +>of us cycle. One's success depends on how large the fluctuations +>in the cycle are. Some people can cycle only 5 pounds. Unfortunately, +>I'm not one of them. +> +> +This certainly describes my situation perfectly. For me there is +a constant dynamic between my tendency to eat, which appears to +be totally limitless, and the purely conscious desire to not +put on too much weight. When I get too fat, I just diet/exercise +more (with varying degrees of success) to take off the +extra weight. Usually I cycle within a 15 lb range, but +smaller and larger cycles occur as well. I'm always afraid +that this method will stop working someday, but usually +I seem to be able to hold the weight gain in check. +This is one reason I have a hard time accepting the notion +of some metabolic derangement associated with cycle dieting +(that results in long-term weight gain). I have been cycle- +dieting for at least 20 years without seeing such a change. + +I think a vigorous exercise program can go a long way toward +keeping the cycles smaller and the baseline weight low. + +Brian +";4;True +"From: djweisbe@unix.amherst.edu (David Weisberger) +Subject: Booting from B drive +Nntp-Posting-Host: amhux3.amherst.edu +Organization: large +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7] +Lines: 17 + +I have a 5 1/4"" drive as drive A. How can I make the system boot from +my 3 1/2"" B drive? (Optimally, the computer would be able to boot +from either A or B, checking them in order for a bootable disk. But +if I have to switch cables around and simply switch the drives so that +it can't boot 5 1/4"" disks, that's OK. Also, boot_b won't do the trick +for me.) + +Thanks, + Davebo + +-- +David Weisberger | Q: Mr. President, do you care to say any more about the + | operational details of the airlift? +djweisbe | THE PRESIDENT: No. +@unix.amherst.edu | Q: How about explaining to the American people why it's + | an important issue for the United States to undertake? + | THE PRESIDENT: What? +";5;True +"From: Richard.Solomon@ColoSpgs.NCR.COM (Richard Solomon) +Subject: Jumper settings for OMTI 8610 ESDI controller???? +Organization: NCR Microelectronics +Lines: 12 + +Subject says it all :) + +I'm looking for the jumper settings for an SMS OMTI 8610 AT-bus ESDI +controller card. + +Thanks in advance, +Richard + +Richard Solomon NCR Microelectronics + 1635 Aeroplaza Drive +Richard.Solomon@ColoSpgs.NCR.COM Colorado Springs, CO 80916 +...!uunet!ncrcom!ncr-mpd!Richard.Solomon (719) 573-3227 +";5;True +"From: dante@shakala.com (Charlie Prael) +Subject: Re: Commercial mining activities on the moon +Organization: Shakala BBS (ClanZen Radio Network) Sunnyvale, CA +1-408-734-2289 +Lines: 10 + +dietz@cs.rochester.edu (Paul Dietz) writes: + +> Which merely evades the issue of why those lunatics are +> there at all (and, why their children would want to stay.) + +Paul-- for the same reason that many other colonies are founded. Why not? + +------------------------------------------------------------------ +Charlie Prael - dante@shakala.com +Shakala BBS (ClanZen Radio Network) Sunnyvale, CA +1-408-734-2289 +";2;True +"Subject: IDE Cable +From: vacsc0qe@VAX.CSUN.EDU +Reply-To: vacsc0qe@VAX.CSUN.EDU +Organization: Cal State Northridge +Lines: 12 + +I just bought a new IDE hard drive for my system to go with the one +I already had. My problem is this. My system only had a IDE cable +for one drive, so I had to buy cable with two drive connectors +on it, and consequently have to switch cables. The problem is, +the new hard drive's manual refers to matching pin 1 on the cable +with both pin 1 on the drive itself and pin 1 on the IDE card. But +for the life of me I cannot figure out how to tell which way to plug +in the cable to align these. +Secondly, the cable has like a connector at two ends and one between them. +I figure one end goes in the controler and then the other two go into +the drives. Does it matter which I plug into the ""master"" drive +and which into the ""Slave""? any help appreciated. thanks... +";5;True +"From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) +Subject: Re: japanese moon landing? +Organization: U of Toronto Zoology +Lines: 21 + +In article <1qnb9tINN7ff@rave.larc.nasa.gov> C.O.EGALON@LARC.NASA.GOV (CLAUDIO OLIVEIRA EGALON) writes: +>> there is no such thing as a stable lunar orbit +> +>Is it right??? That is new stuff for me. So it means that you just can +>not put a sattellite around around the Moon for too long because its +>orbit will be unstable??? If so, what is the reason??? Is that because +>the combined gravitacional atraction of the Sun,Moon and Earth +>that does not provide a stable orbit around the Moon??? + +Any lunar satellite needs fuel to do regular orbit corrections, and when +its fuel runs out it will crash within months. The orbits of the Apollo +motherships changed noticeably during lunar missions lasting only a few +days. It is *possible* that there are stable orbits here and there -- +the Moon's gravitational field is poorly mapped -- but we know of none. + +Perturbations from Sun and Earth are relatively minor issues at low +altitudes. The big problem is that the Moon's own gravitational field +is quite lumpy due to the irregular distribution of mass within the Moon. +-- +All work is one man's work. | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology + - Kipling | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry +";2;True +"From: loisc@microsoft.com (Lois Christiansen) +Subject: Re: Homosexuality issues in Christianity +Organization: Microsoft Corp. +Lines: 37 + +In article FSSPR@acad3.alaska.edu wrote: +> This subject was beaten to death on bit.listserv.christia recently, +> until Madge stepped in and closed the topic. It has been discussed +> since privately in e-mail amongst their participants, and I've +> received some of it. A fairly large file (approx. 18 KB) of comments +> made on the March On Washington was among these. If it hasn't been +> posted here already (I don't know; I just scan through this +> newsgroup, as at 1200 bps, I couldn't possibly read it all), I would +> be glad to send it along. I believe that it would be of interest to +> people here. +> +> +> I hope that anyone who remembers seeing Rev. Troy Perry's +> ""performance"" at the 1987 March On Washington will see for themselves +> just how inconceivable it is to mix Christianity with homosexuality. +> +> Sean Patrick Ryan****fsspr@aurora.alaska.edu or sean@freds.cojones.com + +You might visit some congregations of Christians, who happen to be homosexuals, +that are spirit-filled believers, not MCC'rs; before you go lumping us all +together with Troy Perry. + +The Lord IS working in our community (the homosexual community, that is). He's +not asking us to change our sexual nature, but He is calling us to practice +the morality that He established from the beginning. + +Isn't Satan having a hayday pitting Christian against Christian over any issue +he can, especially homosexuality. Let's reach the homosexuals for Christ. +Let's not try to change them, just need to bring them to Christ. If He +doesn't want them to be gay, He can change that. If they are living a moral +life, committed to someone of the same sex, and God is moving in their lives, +who are we to tell them they have to change? + +That's my two cent. + +God Bless You All +Loisc +";17;True +"From: darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Fred Rice) +Subject: Re: islamic genocide +Organization: Monash University, Melb., Australia. +Lines: 49 + +In <2943927496.1.p00261@psilink.com> ""Robert Knowles"" writes: + +>>DATE: 14 Apr 1993 23:52:11 GMT +>>FROM: Frank O'Dwyer +>> +>>In article <1993Apr14.102810.6059@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au> darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Fred Rice) writes: +>> +>>Just borrowing your post, Mr. Rice... +>> +>>#In <2943656910.0.p00261@psilink.com> ""Robert Knowles"" writes: +>>#>Are you sure that democracy is the driving force behind +>>#>the massacres in East Timor? It is certainly odd that so many of the worlds +>>#>massacres occur along religious lines, independently of any claims to a +>>#>democratic form of government. Are Ireland and Northern Ireland considered +>>#>democracies? Would you attribute their problems to democracy even though +>>#>they are democracies? Which motivates them more, religion or democracy? +>> +>>Mr. Rice was pointing out a fallacy in the assertion that Islam is evil +>>because some of those who claim to follow it are evil, not asserting that +>>democracy causes massacres, as I read it. + +>That is right, he was. And I was pointing out that his use of Indonesians +>killing the East Timorese as a result of _democracy_ was a bit weak because +>democracy is not much of a motivation for doing much of anything in Indonesia +>from what I remember. East Timor was a former Portguese territory which was +>forcibly annexed by Indonesia. Last I heard over 10,000 Indonesians have +>died trying to keep East Timor a part of Indonesia. Being a former +>Portuguese colony, there is a strong Catholic influence in East Timor as I +>recall. So it seems a bit odd that yet again we have another war being +>fought between people who just ""happen"" to have different religions. Purely +>coincidental, I guess. But then the real motivation is to get the vote out +>and make democracy work in Indonesia. + +I pointed out the secession movement in Aceh which has also been +brutally dealt with in the past by the Indonesian government. The +harshly with all secessionist movements. +the evidence, it appears to me that the Indonesian government has dealt +very harshly with all secession movements. + +I know that the head of the Indonesian armed forces for a very long time +was Benny Murdani -- a ""Christian"". Indonesia has been heavy handed in +East Timor for a long time , even when Murdani was head of the armed +forces. The people who make up the +Indonesian government are in general motivated by national interests, +not religious ones. + + Fred Rice + darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au + +";9;True +"From: tulsi@ws19.b30.ingr.com (Neeraj Tulsian) +Subject: Re: Mazda RX7 parts - JC Whitney +Lines: 5 +Reply-To: tulsi@ws19.b30.ingr.com +Organization: Intergraph, AL + + Their number is 1-800-541-4716 + they are based in Chicago, IL in case + you need to call dir assistance. + + Their prices are more down to earth than + ANY other source for car innards/outers. + + They will send you a free catalog. + + Neeraj +";10;True +"From: CGKarras@world.std.com (Christopher G Karras) +Subject: Need Maintenance tips +Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA +Lines: 29 + + +After reading the service manual for my bike (Suzuki GS500E--1990) I have +a couple of questions I hope you can answer: + +When checking the oil level with the dip stick built into the oil fill +cap, does one check it with the cap screwed in or not? I am more used to +the dip stick for a cage where the stick is extracted fully, wiped clean +and reinserted fully, then withdrawn and read. The dip stick on my bike +is part of the oil filler cap and has about 1/2 inch of threads on it. Do +I remove the cap, wipe the stick clean and reinsert it with/without +screwing it down before reading? + +The service manual calls for the application of Suzuki Bond No. 1207B on +the head cover. I guess this is some sort of liquid gasket material. do +you know of a generic (cheaper) substitute? + +My headlight is a Halogen 60/55 W bulb. Is there an easy, brighter +replacement bulb available? Where should I look for one? + +As always, I very much appreciate your help. The weather in Philadelphia +has finally turned WARM. This weekend I saw lotsa bikes, and the riders +ALL waved. A nice change of tone from what Philadelphia can be like. . . . + +Chris + +-- +******************************************************************* +Christopher G. Karras +Internet: CGKarras@world.std.com +";7;True +"From: yaturner@netcom.com (D'arc Angel) +Subject: Re: YOWZA: SLOOOOWWWW printing from dos +Organization: The Houses of the Holy +Lines: 11 + + +I also had a simular problem with by NEC P7, it went away when I turned +on the ""print directly to parallel port"" option in the printer setup +apallette. + +-- + + +Mencsh tract und Gott lacht + +yaturner@netcom.com +";6;True +"From: FSSPR@acad3.alaska.edu (Hardcore Alaskan) +Subject: Looking for videotapes +Lines: 44 + +I have been looking at some of the recent productions on homosexuality +and decided that I was interested in videotaped copies of these. If +anyone can help me out here, I would very much appreciate it. + +Here is what I am looking for: + +* - ""The Gay Agenda"" produced by Ty Beeson's group The Report. + +* - John Ankerberg's recent series ""Understanding Homosexuality and +Experiencing Genuine Change."" + +* - James Kennedy's special on homosexuality which aired this week, +and the portion of the previous week's program which discussed ""The +Gay Agenda."" + +I will not pay money for copies, since this is copyrighted material +and that would be illegal. I will pay for return postage. If +somebody can think of something they would desire in trade, please let +me know and I'll see what I can do. + +Oh, BTW, I'm watching the March On Washington right now on C-SPAN. +Other than the fact that I'm generally repulsed by what I'm watching, +I found one thing of interest. General David Dinkins just finished +speaking, and remarked that the New York City delegation consists of +about 200,000 people. Funny, I don't see 200,000 people out there, +period. Must've been quite the party scene last night. Or maybe +their exaggerations were just too much. + +Sean Patrick Ryan****fsspr@aurora.alaska.edu or sean@freds.cojones.com +3215 Oregon Dr. #2, Anchorage, AK 99517-2048****907-272-9184****fnord +Abortion stops a beating heart****Disclaimer: I didn't inhale, either +IDITAROD SCOREBOARD 1993 - MEN 16, WOMEN 5****Read alt.flame.sean-ryan + +[I don't suppose you'd be interested in hearing about the homosexual +agenda from homosexual Christians? These portrayals of the homosexual +agenda are regarded by some as being somewhat akin to trying to +understand fundamentalist Christianity by looking at the Branch +Dividians. You might also want to look at some outside evaluations of +the groups claiming to change homosexuals. When our church (the +Presbyterian Church (USA)) looked into this issue, even the +conservative members of the committee were concerned about how real +and long-lasting the changes were. I'll be interested to get reports +from police and the press about the number of people participating +today. Presumably we'll have a better idea by tomorrow. --clh] +";17;True +"From: alung@megatest.com (Aaron Lung) +Subject: Re: Changing oil by self.rist, another dealer service scam... +Organization: Megatest Corporation +Lines: 25 + +In article <1qk5m9$pbe@news.ysu.edu> ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker) writes: +>> +>>I was worried about someone stealing my oil once also. I finally +>>decided to just have my drain plug welded shut. It works great ! +>>I figure that when I add three or four quarts when the oil light +>>comes on every month or so that it's just as good or better than +>>the old wives tale of changing the oil AND filter every 3000 miles. +>>Works for me, I must say. +>> +> +>I did the same thing to my drain plug for the same reasons. I was wondering +>how you filled your crankcase though as I welded my hood shut also out of fear +>that somebody might steal my air-filter. + +Oh come on, Silly, all you have to do is cut a hole in your hood and +put a tube there so you can get to the oil fill hole. What do you +think all those big air intake things are for on those hot-rod cars? +They're just for looks only...little does anyone know, they provide +access to the oil-fill hole. + +Well, over where we live, we have problems with vandals stealing +people's wheels. Those locking nuts didn't stop them. So to be +safe and sure, I welded the lug nuts to my wheels together. It +works, serious! I haven't had my wheels stolen yet! +. +";10;True +"From: jdailey@asic.sc.ti.com (Jim Dailey) +Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any +Nntp-Posting-Host: tidss2.asic.sc.ti.com +Reply-To: jdailey@asic.sc.ti.com +Organization: Design Automaton Div., Texas Instruments, Inc. +Lines: 36 + +>amolitor@nmsu.edu (Andrew Molitor) writes: +>> Not to pick on Mr. May in particular, of course, but isn't this +>>kind of the domino theory? When one little country falls, its neighbor +>>will surely follow, and before you know it, we're all mining salt +>>in Siberia for not turning in our Captain Crunch Secret Decoder Rings. + +There was an interesting column on the editorial page of the Dallas +Morning News on Saturday by Walter Williams, who I believe is a +professor at Georgetown (I wonder if he knows of Dorothy ""you're not in +Kansas anymore"" Denning). The article was titled ""Government slowly +eroding our liberties"", and in it he tells a story attributed to the +late Leonard Read who + + explained that if you wanted to take liberty away from + Americans, you had to know how to cook a frog. Mr. Read + said you can't cook a frog by boiling a pot of water and + then throwing the frog in. His reflexes are so quick that + as soon as his feet touch the water, he will leap away. + You must put the frog in a pot of cold water and heat it + up bit by bit. By the time the frog realizes he's being + cooked, it is too late. It is the same with Americans. + If anyone tried to take our freedoms all at once, we + would naturally rebel and suppress the tyrant. But as + with successful frog cooking, our liberties can be taken + a little bit at a time. + +The last line of the article says, ""It's not too late for us, but the +water is getting pretty warm."" I'd have toagree that it's warm and the +Clipper is keeping the temperature on an upward course. + +NOTE: followups redirected to alt.privacy.clipper + +--- +Jim jdailey@asic.sc.ti.com + TI pays absolutely no attention to me or my opinions; therefore, + the foregoing information cannot possibly represent TI's viewpoint. +";16;True +"From: rmm@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (richard.m.maniscalco) +Subject: Re: Share your optimization tips +Organization: AT&T +Lines: 33 + +In article <1pm61pINNp45@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> jbodnar@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (John Bodnar) writes: +>According to e_p@unl.edu (edgar pearlstein): +>> Here's another one: +>> +>> 5. My computer arrived with the following statement in its +>> config.sys file: STACKS = 9,256. I changed it to +>> STACKS = 8,128 and saved 1296 bytes. Maybe it could be +>> lowered even more, but I haven't tried it. +> +>Exactly. +> +>Regardless of what Microsoft says, I have set STACKS=0,0 on every single +>computer I have installed Windows on from a simple 386SX-16 up to 486DX-50 +>with EISA motherboards, NDI Volante TIGA adapters, Intel Ethernet Express +>cards, and caching SCSI controllers from DPT and DTC. +> +>Not a problem yet, and the extra 2K+ gained means a lot with conventional +>memory gobbling programs like OrCAD and Tango PCB. +>-- +>John Bodnar : ""While we liked developing Windows +>The University of Texas at Austin : applications, we never inhaled."" +>Internet: jbodnar@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu : +>UUCP: ....!cs.utexas!ut-ccwf!jbodnar : -- Borland CEO Philippe Kahn + + + +I remember reading somewhere (QEMM manual, I think) that +STACK=9,256 is needed only for the Windows SETUP program. +Otherwise, use STACK=0,0. + + Rich + + +";5;True +"From: stevew@helios.unl.edu (Steve Wu) +Subject: CRYPTO 93 FINAL CALL +Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln +Lines: 258 +NNTP-Posting-Host: helios.unl.edu + + +............................................................................ + CRYPTO '93 - Conference Announcement & Final Call for Papers +............................................................................ + +The Thirteenth Annual CRYPTO Conference, sponsored by the International +Association for Cryptologic Research (IACR), in cooperation with +the IEEE Computer Society Technical Committee on Security and Privacy, +the Computer Science Department of the University of California, Santa +Barbara, and Bell-Northern Research (a subsidiary of Northern Telecom), +will be held on the campus of the University of California, Santa Barbara, +on August 22-26, 1993. Original research papers and technical expository talks +are solicited on all practical and theoretical aspects of cryptology. It is +anticipated that some talks may also be presented by special invitation of the +Program Committee. +------------------------- +INSTRUCTIONS FOR AUTHORS: Authors are requested to send 12 copies of a +detailed abstract (not a full paper) by April 26, 1993, to the Program Chair +at the address given below. A limit of 10 pages of 12pt type (not counting +the bibliography or the title page) is placed on all submissions. Submissions +must arrive on time or be postmarked no later than April 21, 1993 and sent by +airmail in order to receive consideration by the Program Committee. It is +required that submissions start with a succinct statement of the problem +addressed, the solution proposed, and its significance to cryptology, +appropriate for a non-specialist reader. Technical development directed to +the specialist should follow as needed. +------------------------- +Abstracts that have been submitted to other conferences that have proceedings +are NOT eligible for submission. + +Submissions MUST BE ANONYMOUS. This means that names and affiliations of +authors should only appear on the title page of the submission; it should +be possible to remove this page and send the papers to Program Committee +members. A Latex style file that produces output in this format is available by email from the Program Chair. + +Authors will be informed of acceptance or rejection in a letter mailed on +or before June 21, 1993. A compilation of all accepted abstracts will be +available at the conference in the form of pre-proceedings. Authors of +accepted abstracts will be allowed to submit revised versions for the +pre-proceedings. A revised abstract should contain only minor changes and +corrections to the originally submitted abstract. All revised abstracts must +be received by the Program Chair by July 16, 1993. THE 10 PAGE LIMIT WILL BE +STRICTLY ENFORCED for the pre-proceedings. + +Complete conference proceedings are expected to be published in Springer- +Verlag's Lecture Notes in Computer Science series at a later date, pending +negotiation. +------------------------- +The Program Committee consists of + + D. Stinson (Chair, Nebraska) + M. Bellare (IBM T. J. Watson) E. Biham (Technion, Israel) + E. Brickell (Sandia National Labs) J. Feigenbaum (AT&T Bell Labs) + R. Impagliazzo (UCSD) A. Odlyzko (AT&T Bell Labs) + T. Okamoto (NTT, Japan) B. Pfitzmann (Hildesheim, Germany) + R. Rueppel (R3, Switzerland) S. Vanstone (Waterloo, Canada) +------------------------- +Send submissions to the Program Chair: + +Douglas R. Stinson, Crypto '93 +Computer Science and Engineering Department +115 Ferguson Hall, University of Nebraska +Lincoln, NE 68588-0115 USA +Telephone: (402)-472-7791 +Fax: (402)-472-7767 +Internet: stinson@bibd.unl.edu + +For other information, contact the General Chair: + +Paul C. Van Oorschot, Crypto '93 +Bell-Northern Research (MAIL STOP 000) +3500 Carling Ave. +Nepean, Ontario K2H 8E9 Canada +Telephone: (613)-763-4199 +Fax: (613)-763-2626 +Internet: crypto93@bnr.ca + +............................................................................ + CRYPTO '93 - General Information (August 22 - 26, 1993) +............................................................................ + +THE PROGRAM: Crypto'93 is the thirteenth in a series of workshops on +cryptology held at Santa Barbara, and is sponsored by the International +Association for Cryptologic Research, in cooperation with the IEEE +Computer Society Technical Committee on Security and Privacy, the Computer +Science Department of the University of California, Santa Barbara, and +Bell-Northern Research (a subsidiary of Northern Telecom). The program +for the workshop will cover all aspects of cryptology. Extended abstracts of +the papers presented at the conference will be distributed to all attendees +at the conference, and formal proceedings will be published at a later date. + +In addition to the regular program of papers selected or invited by the +program committee, there will be a rump session on Tuesday evening for +informal presentations. Facilities will also be provided for attendees to +demonstrate hardware, software and other items of cryptographic interest. +If you wish to demonstrate such items, you are urged to contact the General +Chair so that your needs will be attended to. The social program will include +hosted cocktail parties on Sunday and Monday. In addition, there will be a +beach barbecue on Wednesday evening. The price of the barbecue is included +in the room and board charge, and extra tickets may be purchased. + +ABOUT THE CONFERENCE FACILITIES: The workshop will be held on the campus of +the University of California, Santa Barbara. The campus is located adjacent +to the Santa Barbara airport and the Pacific Ocean. Accommodations are +available in the university dormitories at relatively low cost for conference +participants. Children under the age of 13 are not allowed to stay in the +dormitories, so those bringing small children will need to make separate +arrangements in one of several nearby hotels. More information on hotels is +enclosed. Parking on campus is available at no cost to the participants. +However, participants must indicate on the registration form if they desire +a parking permit. + +TRAVEL INFORMATION: The campus is located approximately 2 miles from the +Santa Barbara airport, which is served by several airlines, including +American, America West, Delta, United, and US Air. Free shuttle bus service +will be provided between the Santa Barbara airport and the campus on Sunday +and Thursday afternoons. All major rental car agencies are also represented +in Santa Barbara, and AMTRAK has rail connections to San Francisco from the +north and Los Angeles from the south. Santa Barbara is approximately 100 miles +north of Los Angeles airport, and 350 miles south of San Francisco. + +REGISTRATION: Participation is invited by interested parties, but attendance +at the workshop is limited, and pre-registration is strongly advised. Late +registrations, subject to a late registration fee, may be accepted if space +is available, but there are NO GUARANTEES. To register, fill out the attached +registration form and return to the address on the form along with payment in +full before July 9, 1993. Campus accommodations will be available on a first +come, first serve basis for attendees who register by July 9, 1993. The +conference fees include participation in the program and all social functions, +as well as membership to the IACR and a subscription to the Journal of +Cryptology. The room and board charges include dormitory lodging and meals +>from dinner on Sunday to lunch on Thursday. Technical sessions will run +>from Monday morning to Thursday at noon. A very limited number of stipends +are available to those unable to obtain funding. Applications for stipends +should be sent to the General Chair before June 4, 1993. + +............................................................................ + CRYPTO '93 - CRYPTO '93 Registration Form +............................................................................ + REGISTRATION DEADLINE: July 9, 1993 + +Last Name: _____________________________________________ + +First Name: _____________________________________________ Sex: (M)__ (F)__ + +Affiliation: _______________________________________________________________ + +Mailing Address: __________________________________________________________ + + __________________________________________________________ + + __________________________________________________________ + + ___________________________________________________________ + +Phone: __________________________________ FAX: ___________________________ + +Electronic Mail: __________________________________________________________ + +Payment of the conference fee entitles you to membership in the International +Association for Cryptologic Research for one year at no extra charge, +including a subscription to the Journal of Cryptology, published by Springer- +Verlag, at no extra charge. Do you wish to be an IACR member? YES__ NO__ + +The conference fee also includes the conference proceedings when they become +available, containing final versions of conference papers. The book of +extended abstracts distributed at the conference will contain only shortened +preliminary versions of these papers (maximum 10 pages). + +Conference fee: Regular ($280) US$ _______ + Attended Eurocrypt'93, Norway ($230) _______ + Full time student ($190) _______ + deduct $50 if you do not wish proceedings _______ + Total conference fee: US$_______ + +Room and Board (4 nights): Smoking ___ Non-smoking ___ + Single room ($275 per person) _______ + Double room ($225 per person) _______ + Roommate's name: ____________________________________ + +Extra barbecue tickets ($20 each; one is included in room and board) _______ +$40 late fee for registration after July 9; + REGISTRATION NOT GUARANTEED AFTER JULY 9 _______ + +Total funds enclosed (U.S. dollars): US$ _______ + +Payment must be by check PAYABLE IN U.S. FUNDS, by money order IN U.S. FUNDS, +or by U.S. BANK DRAFT, payable to: CRYPTO'93. Payment should be mailed to the +General Chair: + Paul C. Van Oorschot, CRYPTO'93 + Bell-Northern Research (MAIL STOP 000) + 3500 Carling Ave. + Nepean, Ontario K2H 8E9 Canada + +............................................................................ + CRYPTO '93 - Hotel Information +............................................................................ + +For those who choose not to stay in the dormitories, the following is a +partial list of hotels in the area. Those who choose to stay off campus are +responsible for making their own reservations, and early reservations are +advised since August is a popular season in Santa Barbara. Note that Goleta +is closer to UCSB than Santa Barbara, but that a car will probably be +required to travel between any hotel and the campus. All prices are subject +to change; prices should be confirmed by calling the individual hotels +directly. However, mention CRYPTO'93 when you are making your reservation and +in several of the hotels listed you will be eligible for the university rate +which can be significantly less than the normal rates. We are not able to +block rooms in these hotels, so please make reservations as early as +possible. The quality of the hotels range from rather expensive beach-front +resorts to basic inexpensive accommodations. For further information, try +contacting the Santa Barbara Convention and Visitors Center, (805)-966-9222. + +South Coast Inn: 5620 Calle Real, Goleta, CA 93117. Regular rates: Single $89, +Double $94; call for University rates. Contact Murrill Forrester at +(805)-967-3200 or toll-free at (800)-350-3614. + +Cathedral Oaks Lodge: 4770 Calle Real, Santa Barbara, 93110. Single rates not +available, Double rates start at $84 including breakfast; no University rates. +Call Tom Patton at (805)-964-3511 or toll-free at (800)-654-1965. + +Motel 6: 5897 Calle Real, Goleta, CA 93117. Single $33.95, Double $39.95, +no University rate available. Call (505)-891-6161. + +The Sandman Inn: 3714 State St., Santa Barbara, CA 93105. Regular rates: +Single or Double $84, $94 for king-size, University rate $65. Call Jean +Ingerle at (805)-687-2468 or toll-free at (800)-350-8174. + +Miramar Hotel (Beachfront): 3 miles south of Santa Barbara on U.S. 101 at +San Ysidro turnoff. Regular rates: $70-$135. No University rates. Call +(805)-969-2203. + +Pepper Tree Inn: 3850 State St., Santa Barbara, CA 93105. Regular rates: +$106-$112 for two people, University rates $96-$102 for two people. Call +Christopher Oliphant at (805)-687-5511 or toll-free at (800)-338-0030. + +Encina Lodge: 220 Bath Street, Santa Barbara, CA 93105. Regular rates +$106-$108 for two people, no University rates. Call Carol Wolford at +(805)-682-7550 or toll-free at (800)-526-2282. + +Quality Suites: 5500 Hollister Ave, Santa Barbara, CA 93111 (close to campus). +Regular rates: Single $125, Double $145, University rates $99 double +(must mention you are attending a UCSB program). Call Michael Ensign at +(805)-683-6722. + +Upham Hotel (bed-and-breakfast): 1404 De La Vina Road, Santa Barbara, +CA 93101. University rate $85 (mention you are from Crypto). Call Sheila +Donegan at (805)-962-0058. +............................................................................ + + + + +-- +stevew@helios.unl.edu |=| \ Fender / |=| ... smoke on the water, fire in + |=| \ / |=| the sky... Smoke on the water. +stevew@hoss.unl.edu |=| \/ |=| (36 bars guitar solo) + Deep purple, the best +";16;True +"From: grape@suned1.Nswses.Navy.MIL (Mike Grapevine) +Subject: Subscription +Organization: The Internet +Lines: 7 +To: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu + +Please subscribe me to this mailing list + + Michael D. Grapevine | One of these days, + USN SWC | One of these days, + Code 4G33 | POW! + grape@suned1.nswses.navy.mil | It's gonna happen, + Bus: (805) 982-7791 | and I won't even realize it. +";12;True +"From: andrew@idacom.hp.com (Andrew Scott) +Subject: USENET Playoff Hockey Pool: Game 1 standings +Organization: IDACOM, A division of Hewlett-Packard +Lines: 224 + +Here are the standings after game 1 of each of the divisional semi-finals. +(Hey, look who's #4!) I'll try to post the standings after ""each game"" +(i.e. every two days). + +I managed to recover the email lost up to Saturday night, so all I'm missing +is mail that arrived between early Saturday morning and Sunday afternoon. +Many people re-sent their teams, so you may have received two replies back +from me. If your team name is not on this list, please resend your team +to me and I'll see what I can do. Any kind of ""proof"" you sent it on the +weekend will help your case. :-) Seriously, this is only a fun pool and +I trust each person to be honest. + +Again, sorry for any inconvenience, and I hope the pool is still fun for you. + + - Andrew + + +USENET Hockey Playoff Draft Standings + +Posn Team Pts Rem Last Posn + +1. Sneddon Scorers 43 25 (--) +2. The Borg 42 25 (--) + Dave Wessels 42 25 (--) +4. Bruce's Rented Mules 41 25 (--) + Great Expectations 41 25 (--) + Hurricane Andrew 41 25 (--) + Jerky Boys 41 24 (--) + Homesick Hawaiian 41 25 (--) +9. give you money monday 40 25 (--) + Einstien's Punk Band 40 25 (--) +11. Zipper Heads 39 25 (--) + Tapio Repo 39 25 (--) + Detroit Homeboy 39 25 (--) + the dead ducks 39 25 (--) + Mike Burger 39 25 (--) + Test Department 39 25 (--) + Team Elvis 39 25 (--) + Craig team 39 25 (--) +19. Skate or Die 38 25 (--) + Debbie Bowles 38 25 (--) + Fuzzfaces Galore 38 25 (--) + suds 38 25 (--) + The Campi Machine 38 25 (--) + zachmans wingers 38 25 (--) + Sean Forbes 38 25 (--) + Threepeat 38 25 (--) + Flamming Senators 38 25 (--) + Team Awesome 38 25 (--) + A.P. BURY 38 25 (--) + PURDUE RICKS PENS 38 25 (--) + GB Flyers 38 25 (--) + Seppo Kemppainen 38 25 (--) +33. Paige Faults 37 25 (--) + weenies 37 25 (--) + chris roney 37 25 (--) + Rednecks from Hockey Hell 37 25 (--) + Dog's Hog's 37 25 (--) + Mind Sweepers 37 25 (--) + Teem Kanada 37 25 (--) + Northern Lights 37 25 (--) + Fugazi 37 25 (--) + Delaware Destroyers 37 25 (--) + Mopar Muscle Men 37 25 (--) + Lance Hill The Boston Bruins Fa 37 25 (--) + garryola 37 25 (--) + Oakville Brothers 37 25 (--) + Sam & His Dogs 37 25 (--) + Cluster Buster 37 24 (--) + Jan Stein 37 25 (--) + frank's little wankers 37 25 (--) + Milton Keynes Kings 37 25 (--) + The promise land 37 25 (--) + Rangers Of Destiny 37 25 (--) +54. New Zealand Leafs 36 25 (--) + Loaded Weapons 36 25 (--) + Bloom County All-Stars 36 25 (--) + Robarts Research Rebels 36 25 (--) + Tiger Chung Lees 36 25 (--) + goddess of fermentation 36 25 (--) + make beliefs 36 25 (--) + Rob Del Mundo 36 25 (--) + Heikki Salmi 36 25 (--) + The Underwriters 36 25 (--) + Muller n Walker 36 25 (--) + Controversy Warriors 36 25 (--) + Bjorkloven 36 25 (--) + Norway Killerwhales 36 25 (--) + Holsteins SFB 36 25 (--) + buffalo soldiers 36 25 (--) + Lemon Pepper Grizzly Bears 36 25 (--) + FRACK ATTACK 36 25 (--) + Houdini's Magicians 36 25 (--) + The ^&#@$#$% Rangers of 1940 36 24 (--) + Rangers Blow 36 25 (--) +75. Dave Hiebert 35 25 (--) + Yan Loke 35 25 (--) + Canadian Gladiators 35 25 (--) + littlest giants 35 25 (--) + Alf's All-Stars 35 25 (--) + The Ice Kickers 35 25 (--) + Beer Makes Me An Expert 35 25 (--) + Force 25 35 25 (--) + Mr Creosote 35 25 (--) + The Goobmeister 35 25 (--) + The Mulberry Maulers 35 25 (--) + Rev's Rebels 35 25 (--) + BOSSE 35 25 (--) + Zippety Doodah 35 25 (--) + Kramer George and Jerry 35 25 (--) + DehraDun Maawalis 35 25 (--) + Sludge 35 25 (--) + j's rock'em sock'ems 35 25 (--) + brians bloodletters 35 25 (--) + Grant Marven 35 25 (--) + Arctic Circles 35 25 (--) + all the kane's men 35 25 (--) + trevor's triumph 35 25 (--) + Mark And Steve Dreaming Again 35 25 (--) + Goaldingers 35 25 (--) + Bjoern Leaguen 35 25 (--) + Habs Playing Golf 35 25 (--) +102. Shigella 34 25 (--) + New Jersey Rob 34 25 (--) + Steves Superstars 34 25 (--) + Big Bay Bombers 34 25 (--) + Doug Bowles 34 25 (--) + Neural Netters 34 25 (--) + LIPPE 34 25 (--) + Lets Go Pandas 34 25 (--) + Les Raisins 34 25 (--) + Daves knee jerk picks 34 25 (--) + Monica Loke 34 25 (--) + Jason team 34 25 (--) + RENEB 34 25 (--) + Schott Shooters 34 25 (--) + Gilles Carmel 34 25 (--) + Lewey's Lakers 34 25 (--) + smithw 34 25 (--) + East City Jokers 34 25 (--) + Daryl Turner 34 25 (--) + Doug Mraz 34 25 (--) + Skriko Wolves 34 25 (--) + IceMachine 34 25 (--) + Lamp Lighters 34 25 (--) + On Thin Ice 34 25 (--) + JOE'S A CRAK HEAD 34 25 (--) +127. Samuel Lau (Calgary, Alberta) 33 25 (--) + Comfortably Numb 33 25 (--) + Reksa fans of Oulu 33 25 (--) + Gail Hiebert 33 25 (--) + gee man 33 25 (--) + But Wait Theres more 33 25 (--) + marcs maulers 33 25 (--) + Danielle Leblanc 33 25 (--) + Bobby Schmautz Fan Club 33 25 (--) + Ottawa Bearcats 33 25 (--) + Boops Bets 33 25 (--) + triple X 33 25 (--) + Timo Ojala 33 25 (--) + Flying pigs 33 25 (--) +141. The Eradicators 32 25 (--) + Van Isle Colonists 32 25 (--) + Commitments 32 25 (--) + bure's blur 32 25 (--) + Great Scott 32 25 (--) + weasels 32 25 (--) + Tequila Shooters 32 25 (--) + Whiters 32 25 (--) + Frasses Faceplants 32 25 (--) + High Stickers 32 25 (--) + Mak Paranjape 32 25 (--) + Lord Stanley's Favourites 32 25 (--) + San Jose Mahi Mahi 32 25 (--) + Oz 32 25 (--) + E.I.S 32 25 (--) + Mann Mariners 32 24 (--) + JFZ Dream Team 32 25 (--) + Stacey Ross 32 25 (--) + Louisiana Psycho Killers 32 25 (--) + La Coupe Stainless 32 25 (--) +161. fighting amish 31 25 (--) + Evan Pritchard 31 25 (--) + Stanias Stars 31 25 (--) + Pens Dynasty 31 25 (--) + oceanweavers 31 25 (--) + go go gagit 31 25 (--) + Myllypuro Hedgehogs 31 25 (--) + Arm & Hammer 31 25 (--) + Legzryx 31 25 (--) + Chapman Chaps 31 25 (--) + Dean Martin 31 25 (--) + Cherry Bombers 31 25 (--) +173. Sluggo's Hosers 30 25 (--) + Anson Mak 30 25 (--) + Knights on a Power Play 30 25 (--) +176. Canuck Force 29 25 (--) + butt ends 29 25 (--) + beam team 29 25 (--) + JUKURIT 29 25 (--) + Chapman Sticks 29 25 (--) + Ken De Cruyenaere 29 25 (--) + gax goons 29 25 (--) + Tampere Salami 29 25 (--) + Sparky's Select 29 25 (--) +185. Hillside Raiders 28 25 (--) + Eldoret Elephants 28 25 (--) + Jane's World 28 25 (--) + the ALarmers 28 25 (--) +189. Rolaids Required 27 25 (--) + Chip n Dale 27 25 (--) + Brian Bergman 27 25 (--) +192. Killer Kings 26 25 (--) + Montys Nords 26 25 (--) +194. Arsenal Maple Leafs 25 18 (--) + Martin's Gag 25 25 (--) +196. Equipe Du Jour 24 25 (--) +197. lisa's luggers 23 25 (--) + +-- +Andrew Scott | andrew@idacom.hp.com +HP IDACOM Telecom Operation | (403) 462-0666 ext. 253 + +During the Roman Era, 28 was considered old... +";13;True +"From: ghasting@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu (George Hastings) +Subject: Re: Soviet space book +Organization: Virginia's Public Education Network (Richmond) +Lines: 13 + + I have received my copies of Cosmonautics 1990 and +Cosmonautics 1991, as well as Soviet Space 1990 and Space +Station [MIR] Handbook from Aerospace Ambassadors with no +problem. + I'm getting ready to FAX them some material in Huntsville, +and I'll include a printout of your inquiry. + ____________________________________________________________ +| George Hastings ghasting@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu | +| Space Science Teacher 72407.22@compuserve.com | If it's not +| Mathematics & Science Center STAREACH BBS: 804-343-6533 | FUN, it's +| 2304 Hartman Street OFFICE: 804-343-6525 | probably not +| Richmond, VA 23223 FAX: 804-343-6529 | SCIENCE! + ------------------------------------------------------------ +";2;True +"From: an030@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Broward Horne) +Subject: Re: Bush's WI (was Clinton's Wiretapping Initiative +Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) +Lines: 25 +Reply-To: an030@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Broward Horne) +NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu + + +In a previous article, garrett@Ingres.COM (THE SKY ALREADY FELL. NOW WHAT?) says: + +>In article <9304161803.AA23713@inet-gw-2.pa.dec.com>, blh@uiboise.idbsu.edu (Broward L. Horne) writes... +>I guess your strength isn't in math. Clinton hasn't been president for +>6 months. In other words, it's BUSH'S Wiretapping Initiative. +>> + + You're right, I bailed out in Diff Eq. Nevertheless, I would + suggest to YOU that there is a difference between a ""proposed BILL, + stalled in Congress"" and a ""executive order, crammed down OUR + THROATS"". Do you disagree? + + +>> I strongly urge you to consider moving any savings you +>> have overseas, into protected bank accounts, while +>> you are still able. +>> +>Have you? + + Went to the Post Office on Friday, got my passport apps in. + + My savings have already been converted. + + +";18;True +"From: jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) +Subject: Re: Best Radar Detector - VALENTINE-1? +Organization: CenterLine Software, Inc. +Lines: 26 +NNTP-Posting-Host: 140.239.3.202 + +troy@sequent.com (Troy Wecker) writes: +>There is no question that the Valentine-1 ($299) has good range but +>not significant enough to be 2 or 3 times as expensive as some of the +>others. + +The big win with the V-1 is not its range but rather its +directionality and multiple-transmitter tracking (which you later +called a ""gimmick"" -- a conclusion I disagree with). Since the +detector incorporates multiple receivers it's not surprising that it's +significantly more expensive. While the added capabilities may not +help you, there is added value for those of us who live in areas where +there are a lot of false-alarms. + +>Summary: Valentine-1 way too expensive and not a significantly better +>performer! + +I certainly call it ""interesting"" but I'm another person who thinks +that the added value might be coming at too high a cost. Very +adequate radar detectors are available for less than half the cost and +one of them has suited me rather well. If I did more long-distance +travelling in areas I'm not familiar with I'd probably consider +getting the V-1 because it's additional information would be useful in +discriminating false alarms. + +jim frost +jimf@centerline.com +";10;True +"From: kaiser@informatik.uni-koblenz.de (Siegfried Kaiser) +Subject: R5 table widget causing trouble with XtQueryGeometry +Organization: Universitaet Koblenz +Lines: 227 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: glass.uni-koblenz.de + +Contents:Problems with table widgets in R5 + + The following part of a program (an user interface for a simulation + system) did work in R4, but refused to in R5. Of cause, the R4-version + did not know about the xpTableWidgetClass (we used tableWidgetClass instead - caught from the net in times of R3) and XpTableChildPosition (formerly XtTblPosition). + Since compiling with R5, the program causes a zero width or height error + (on sparc-stations). The trouble-shooter is the (re)computation of the + model_init_table - table widget: though its childs (label and asciiText + widgets) exist, XtQueryGeometry returns a prefered width and height of zero. + Thus the following asignment cannot perform anything else but set the width and height of the newly created widget to zero. No wonder XtPopup or XtManage- Child create zero width or height errors (dependent on whether width and height of the shell widget are set in the resource file or not). + + Question: Does anyone know, why XtQueryGeometry returns so low prefered + values when working on table widgets or perhaps what + to do about? + + I'll be happy, if someone is able to help me. + Germans are requested to answer in german. + + Siegfried Kaiser + email: kaiser@uniko.uni-koblenz.de + + + The part of interest: + + + /* Graphischer Neuaufbau des Model-Init-Formulars */ + /* Storing the old width and height of the viewport- */ + /* widget, which is the parent of the troubling table */ + /* widget, before the viewport widget is destroyed */ + /* The destroying of widgets before resizing them is a */ + /* relict from R3-age */ + + if (model_init_popped_up) + XtUnmapWidget(model_init_form_view); + XtDestroyWidget(model_init_form_view); + + /* Creating the subtree within the shell, of which the */ + /* root is the viewport widget */ + + n = 0; + XtSetArg(args[n],XtNfromVert,model_init_title); n++; + XtSetArg(args[n],XtNfromHoriz,model_init_button_view); n++; + XtSetArg(args[n],XtNallowVert,True); n++; + XtSetArg(args[n],XtNforceBars,True); n++; + model_init_form_view = XtCreateWidget(""form_view"",viewportWidgetClass, + model_init_form,args,n); + + n = 0; + model_init_table = XtCreateWidget(""table"",xpTableWidgetClass, + model_init_form_view,args,n); + + /* create_form_widget does create and position table */ + /* widget's childs. To position them it uses XpTable- */ + /* ChildPosition in R5 and XtTblPosition in R4 */ + + create_form_widget(ptr_model_init_obj,model_init_table); + + /* */ + /* The crucial function call: */ + /* intended to return the maximum height possible: if */ + /* there isn't sufficient space to show the whole table */ + /* widget, then the viewport shall grow as large as */ + /* possible, but not beyond the border of screen. */ + /* If there is enough space, the window is intended to */ + /* shrienk to the smallest possible height. */ + /* */ + + XtQueryGeometry(model_init_table,NULL,&pref); + + /* According to the algorithms idea, the new value of */ + /* viewport widget's height is selected. Unfortunately */ + /* pref.height = 0 leads to new_height = 0. */ + + if (form_view_height > pref.height) new_height = pref.height; + else new_height = form_view_height; + + /* Setting the new values to viewport widgets ancestors */ + + w = XtNameToWidget(model_init_form,""form_view""); + XtResizeWidget(w,width,new_height,pref.border_width); + XtResizeWidget(model_init_form_view,width,new_height, + pref.border_width); + + if (model_init_popped_up) + { + /* In case the shell, which contains model_init_form_- */ + /* view and model_init_table, allready exists, is has */ + /* to be resized, too. */ + + n = 0; + XtSetArg(args[n],XtNwidth,&shell_width); n++; + XtSetArg(args[n],XtNheight,&shell_height); n++; + XtSetArg(args[n],XtNborderWidth,&shell_bw); n++; + XtGetValues(model_init_shell,args,n); + XtResizeWidget(model_init_shell,shell_width, + shell_height - height + new_height,shell_bw); + }; /* end of if */ + + n = 0; + XtSetArg(args[n],XtNwidth,&width); n++; + XtSetArg(args[n],XtNborderWidth,&bw); n++; + XtGetValues(model_init_button_view,args,n); + XtResizeWidget(model_init_button_view,width,new_height,bw); + + XtResizeWidget(vert_bar,sbar_width,1,sbar_bw); + + resize_inits(); + + /* If there is the shell's height set within the */ + /* resource file, the program terminates within the */ + /* first XtManageChild on its second pass through the */ + /* observed function. The first pass succeeds. */ + + XtManageChild(model_init_form_view); + XtManageChild(model_init_table); + + + if (!model_init_popped_up) + { + /* In case the shell isn't popped up it has to be done. */ + /* If there is no value set to the shell's height within*/ + /* the resource file, the program terminates here. */ + + XtPopup(model_init_shell,XtGrabNone); + model_init_pop_flag = True; + set_model_init_attributes(); + }; /* end of if */ + + get_actual_init(&ptr_actual); + load_form(ptr_actual); + + + + /* */ + /* If someone suspects the creation of table widget's contents */ + /* causes all the trouble, there are the sources of create_form */ + /* */ + + + create_form_widget(ptr,table) + t_obj *ptr; + Widget table; + + /* ptr is a linear list containing attributes and para- */ + /* meters of the model and additionally the correspon- */ + /* ding widgets */ + + { + Arg args[10]; + int n, + row, + col; + t_obj *ptr_obj; + t_ident *ptr_ident; + + /* Initialization of the local variables */ + + ptr_obj = ptr; + col = 0; + row = 0; + + /* Schleife ueber die Objekte bzw. das Pseudo-Objekt (fuer die Parameter) */ + /* loop through the list of objects and pseudo-objects: */ + /* every object occuring in the model has zero or more */ + /* attributes and some parameters, which can be shared */ + /* by several objects. */ + /* Because of locality the attributes of one object are */ + /* listed in a second linear list (of type t_ident), */ + /* whereas the parameters, which can belong to any ob- */ + /* ject are put together in a pseudo-object */ + /* Thus the program loops through the list of objects */ + /* and pseudo-objects and for each object through the */ + /* list of its attributes resp. parameters. */ + + while (ptr_obj != (t_obj*)NULL) + { + /* Each object and pseudo-object is represented in a */ + /* label widget */ + + n = 0; + XtSetArg(args[n],XtNlabel,ptr_obj->name); n++; + ptr_obj->label_w = XtCreateManagedWidget(""object"",labelWidgetClass, + table,args,n); + XpTableChildPosition(ptr_obj->label_w,col,row); + col++; + row++; + ptr_ident = ptr_obj->ident; + + /* Schleife ueber die Objekt-Attribute bzw. Parameter */ + while (ptr_ident != (t_ident*)NULL) + { + /* Each attribute and parameter is represented in a */ + /* label and has a corresponding asciiText widget, in */ + /* which it is to be initialized. */ + + n = 0; + XtSetArg(args[n],XtNlabel,ptr_ident->name); n++; + ptr_ident->label_w = XtCreateManagedWidget(""ident"",labelWidgetClass, + table,args,n); + XpTableChildPosition(ptr_ident->label_w,col,row); + col++; + + n = 0; + XtSetArg(args[n],XtNlength,ROW_LENGTH); n++; + XtSetArg(args[n],XtNstring,ptr_ident->text); n++; + XtSetArg(args[n],XtNeditType,XawtextEdit); n++; + XtSetArg(args[n],XtNwrap,XawtextWrapWord); n++; + XtSetArg(args[n],XtNresize,XawtextResizeHeight); n++; + XtSetArg(args[n],XtNuseStringInPlace,True); n++; + ptr_ident->text_w = XtCreateManagedWidget(""text"", + asciiTextWidgetClass, + table,args,n); + XpTableChildPosition(ptr_ident->text_w,col,row); + col--; + row++; + get_next_ident(&ptr_ident); + }; /* end of while */ + col--; + get_next_obj(&ptr_obj); + }; /* end of while */ + } /* end of create_form_widget */ + + + + +So far the problem in detail. + +";12;True +"From: feilimau@leland.Stanford.EDU (Christopher Yale Lin) +Subject: Mac IIsi Cache options +Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA +Distribution: usa +Lines: 15 + +Readers, + +I have found that the cache upgrade options for the Mac IIsi include the +following: 1) AE QuickSilver + 2) Daystar Fastcache IIsi + 3) Daystar ComboCache IIsi + 4) LogiCache IIsi 64k cache + +I'd be interested in hearing opinions on any or all of these options. +The other alternative is to upgrade to a CPU accelerator such as the +LogiCache 50 MHz. Ideas, comparisions? + +felix lin +feilimau@leland.stanford.edu + +";0;True +"From: gdoherty@us.oracle.com (Greg Doherty) +Subject: BMW '90 K75RT For Sale +Distribution: ca +Organization: Oracle Corporation +Lines: 11 +Originator: gdoherty@kr2seq.us.oracle.com +Nntp-Posting-Host: kr2seq.us.oracle.com +X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user + at Oracle Corporation. The opinions expressed are those + of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle. + +[this is posted for a friend, please reply to dschick@holonet.net] + +1990 BMW K75RT FOR SALE + +Asking 5900.00 or best offer. +This bike has a full faring and is great for touring or commuting. It has +about 30k miles and has been well cared for. The bike comes with one hard +saddle bag (the left one; the right side bag was stolen), a Harro tank bag +(the large one), and an Ungo Box alarm. Interested? Then Please drop me a +line. +DAS +";7;True +"From: gtoal@gtoal.com (Graham Toal) +Subject: Re: Would ""clipper"" make a good cover for other encryption method? +Lines: 22 + +: From: brad@optilink.COM (Brad Yearwood) + +: Assume in this case the usual canard-adversary of narcotraficantes. They +: probably have more cash than the KGB did, and they're probably more generous +: at handing it out. It will be easier than ever to find or cultivate Walkers +: and Pollards for the keys, and it will be easy enough to find someone to +: reverse-engineer the chip (unless the tamper proofing is damned clever and +: effective). + +If the administration *really* believes big-time drug dealers are the threat +(personally I thought it was the CIA and the air force that did all the real +drug shipping :-) ) then they *ought* to take this seriously: unlike the +KGB, drug dealers can make a most convincing argument for cooperation: ""help +us and we'll be nice and give you some money, don't help us and we'll start +cutting off your favourite body parts"" + +After all, it was probably an argument like that that persuaded Jack Ruby to +shoot Oswald in full view of the police. Life in jail probably seems much +more preferable to most people than several weeks of something nasty +followed by no life at all... + +G +";16;True +"From: rschmitt@shearson.com (Robert Schmitt) +Subject: Re: Please Recommend 3D Graphics Library F +Reply-To: rschmitt@shearson.com +Organization: Lehman Brothers, Inc. +Lines: 9 + +What hardware do plan to run on? Workstation or PC? Cost level? +Run-time licensing needs? + +Bob +------------------------------------------------------------------ +Robert A. Schmitt | Applied Derivatives Technology | Lehman Brothers +rschmitt@shearson.com + + +";1;True +"From: susan+@andrew.cmu.EDU (Susan Straub) +Subject: REGISTRATION: Andrew Tutorial & Technical Conference +Organization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA +Lines: 81 +NNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu +To: xannounce@expo.lcs.mit.edu + + 1993 Andrew Tutorial + and + Technical Conference + + +When: Thursday and Friday, June 24 and 25, 1993 + (Deadline for Registration: June 4, 1993) + +Where: Carnegie Mellon University in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. + +Sponsor: Andrew Consortium of CMU's School of Computer Science. + +Schedule: The Tutorial will be on Thursday, followed by dinner and the + Annual Meeting. The Conference proper will be on Friday. All + Conference attendees are welcome at the Annual Meeting. + + Wednesday, June 23 + + Check in: After 4:00 PM + Informal Reception: 7:30 PM + + Thursday, June 24 + + Tutorial: 9:00 A.M. - 5:00 PM + Conference Dinner: 6:30 PM + Annual meeting: 8:00 PM + + Friday, June 25 + + Technical Conference: 9:00 AM - 5:00 PM + +Cost: + Tutorial fee includes breaks, lunch and tutorial materials: $100 + Conference fee includes conference dinner, breaks and proceedings: $100 + Rooms (student housing): $50 / night + +Housing is tight around the campus area, so please register soon. If you +prefer to stay in off-campus housing, please contact us for suggestions. +Mary Anne Cowden will be handling registration. You can contact her by +email, mc8b+@andrew.cmu.edu, or by phone, (412) 268-6710. + Registration Form + +Please complete the attached form and return it to: + +Mary Anne Cowden +Andrew Consortium Technical Conference +Carnegie Mellon University +Smith Hall 106 +5000 Forbes Avenue +Pittsburgh, PA 15213-3890 + + <- cut along here -> +- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - +- - - - - - - - - - - - + + + +Name: ______________________________________________ + +Address: ______________________________________________ + + ______________________________________________ + +Organization: ______________________________________________ + +Email: ______________________________________________ + +Phone: ______________________________________________ + + + + +Tutorial $ ___________ $100 +Conference $ ___________ $100 +Housing $ ___________ $50/night + + TOTAL ENCLOSED $ ___________ + + + Please make checks payable to Carnegie Mellon University. + +";12;True +"From: kirsch@staff.tc.umn.edu (Dave 'Almost Cursed the Jays' Kirsch) +Subject: Re: Young Catchers +Nntp-Posting-Host: staff.tc.umn.edu +Organization: Li'l Carlos and the Hormones +Lines: 31 + +In article <1993Apr5.165122.19860@cs.cornell.edu> tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Theodorus RedSox Fannus] Fischer) writes: +> +>Sorry, this doesn't fly. The good players have *always* been ready +>for the majors early. How many HOFers were *not* contributing major +>leaguers by the time they were 22? + + That brings up an interesting point. Anyone else catch ESPN's piece about +prospects and the relationship between age, career length, MVPs and Hall of +Fame members? It was part of their preseason special. Basically, they looked +at players that had amassed 1000 plate appearances (or ABs) by the time they +were 24, and noticed some interesting things. + + For starters, they found out such players comprised the majority of MVPs in +the history of the game. They also found out such players represented the +majority of the players in the hall of fame. The kicker, though, was that +they actually did some number-crunching and found that such players' careers +lasted much longer than the careers of players not in that group. They also +found that these players produced at both a greater level of performance and +produced over twice the raw totals (HRs, etc) of the other players. The first +group outhit the second something like .282 to .260 in raw BA, and blew away +the second group in such categories as HRs, 2Bs, RBIs, etc. + + It was the most impressive thing I've seen on ESPN in recent memory. + + I guess Ray Knight makes his rebuttal tonight. + +-- +Dave Hung Like a Jim Acker Slider Kirsch Blue Jays - Do it again in '93 +kirsch@staff.tc.umn.edu New .. quotes out of context! +""Not to beat a dead horse, but it's been a couple o' weeks .. this + disappoints me..punishments..discharges..jackhammering.."" - Stephen Lawrence +";14;True +"From: pspod@hooch.lerc.nasa.gov (Steve Podleski) +Subject: Re: Waco, they did it. ( MASADA ) +Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center +Lines: 23 +NNTP-Posting-Host: hooch.lerc.nasa.gov + +fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary) writes: +>msn@reef.cis.ufl.edu (Mike 'HK G3ZF Full-Auto' Newsome) writes: +>>> I'm sick to my stomach as I write this. The BD compound +>>> is on fire, and will burn to the ground in minutes. +>I used exactly this one-word reply, to suggest a likely ending to +>the siege several weeks ago. But like Masada, this wasn't entirely +>a government action: The defenders held out as long as they could, +>and then killed themselves, their families and their children +>rather than surrender. Israel calls the action of the Zelots +>""heroic"", and trains their army to follow this example. Now that +>someone has repeated this action in modern times, what do we call it? + +Liberals and supporters of Clinton say that costs made the action +necessary. + +-- + +----------------------------------------------------------------------------- +Steve Podleski | phone: 216-433-4000 +NASA Lewis Research Center | +Cleveland, Ohio 44135 | email: pspod@hooch.lerc.nasa.gov +----------------------------------------------------------------------------- + +";3;True +"From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward) +Subject: re: Countersteering_FAQ please post +Organization: University College of Wales, Aberystwyth +Lines: 10 +Nntp-Posting-Host: 144.124.112.30 + + +In article Eric@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (93CBR900RR) writes: +>Would someone please post the countersteering FAQ...i am having this awful +>time debating with someone on why i push the right handle of my motorcycle +>foward when i am turning left...and i can't explain (well at least) why this +>happens...please help...post the faq...i need to convert him. +> +> eric + +Hmm, If I did this, would I be able to take the outriggers off? +";7;True +"Subject: XLib and 24 Bit Displays [Info Needed] +From: sl0pr@riverdale.enet.dec.com (869883 Thakkar Rahul Chandrakant) +Reply-To: sl0pr@riverdale.enet.dec.com (869883 Thakkar Rahul Chandrakant) +Distribution: world +Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation +Keywords: Xlib +Nntp-Posting-Host: riverdale.declab.usu.edu +Lines: 23 + +Hi, + +My name is rahul and I am doing MS at USU, Logan +My query is: + I have a HP workstation: HP Series 400 with X running on it. +I have a true color - 24bit color monitor connected to this machine. +Normally I have the capability to display 256 colors from a max of +16.7 million. Since the monitor is True Color I can see 16.7 +million at a time. +Que: do we have a facility in X(c-function call) that will enable me +to specify any RGB combination and see it on screen? I am using +XStoreColor to set the pallette of a max of 256 colors. +Que: If not. Is there any way I can display a true color image +on a true color monitor using XLib function calls? + +We are generating ray traced images and 256 colors are indeed a +painful limit. besides I need the facility to display the true color images +i will be generating on a true color system WITHOUT color +quantification. +Please, if anyone can help i'd be obliged + +Rahul +sl0pr@cc.usu.edu +";1;True +"From: callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison) +Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)... +Nntp-Posting-Host: uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu +Organization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA +Lines: 40 + +In article <1993Apr15.173951.20173@icf.hrb.com> jek@icf.hrb.com (Joe Karolchik) writes: +>(I deleted your name because I don't want to sound accusative in my remark) +>> +>> On another occasion, on my way from Texas to Florida, I had stopped in +>> a small motel +>> for the night in a small town somewhere in Florida. About 5 youths were +>> disturbing my +>> car, setting off the alarm and challenging me to come out. When I and +>> another tenant +>> walked out with a 357 Magnum and a 45 automatic respectively, they vanished. +>> Needless to say, I immediately packed-up and left. +>> +>> Watch out for car-jacking and staged accidents. They can be deadly! +>> +>I'm not going to argue the issue of carrying weapons, but I would ask you if +>you would have thought seriously about shooting a kid for setting off your +>alarm? I can think of worse things in the world. Glad you got out of there +>before they did anything to give you a reason to fire your gun. + +If I hear someone screwing with my car (ie, setting off the alarm) and +taunting me to come out, you can be damn sure that my Colt Delta Elite +will also be coming with me. It's not the screwing with the car that'd +get them shot, it's the potential physical danger. If they're +taunting like that, it's very possible that they also intend to rob +me and/or do other physically harmful things. + +If they're just screwing around, no harm done. If they're bent on +mayhem, they will receive the cure for their lead deficiency; a +180gr. injection @1200 fps...there's no telling what today's violent +criminals will do. Death may be the most pleasant outcome... + + James + +James P. Callison Microcomputer Coordinator, U of Oklahoma Law Center +Callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu /\ Callison@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu +DISCLAIMER: I'm not an engineer, but I play one at work... + The forecast calls for Thunder...'89 T-Bird SC + ""It's a hell of a thing, killing a man. You take away all he has + and all he's ever gonna have."" + --Will Munny, ""Unforgiven"" +";10;True +"From: holmes@mrx.webo.dg.com (Chris Holmes) +Subject: CASIO CZ-101 49 key synth $125/BO +Reply-To: holmes@mrx.webo.dg.com +Organization: Data General Corporation, Westborough, MA +Lines: 29 + +OK... I've done a little research and the price I've been asking +was a BIT high. So... + + Casio CZ-101 Synthesizer $125 or best offer + +Features: +uses FM modulation to create sounds -- + programmable ADSR envelopes for each of 2 DCA's (amplitude), 2 DCW's + (pitch, like a VCF), and 2 DCO's (waveform, like VCO) with up to 8 + steps for each +16 preset sounds, 8 more in memory, 8 more still in RAM cartridge. +49 stubby keys +Pitch Bend Wheel +MIDI in/out ports + +Includes: +All the manuals you could ever want +AC adapter (can use 6 D batteries) +Line cord +1 RAM cartridge -- holds 8 additional sounds + +I'll throw in a bunch of sheet music and ""Play Rock Keyboards"" too. + +-- +-----------------------------+------------------------------------------------ + Christopher Holmes | Do not insert this email in the ear canal. + Terminals Development Group | My evil twin blew up the World Trade Center + Data General Corporation | and all I got was this stupid .sig file! + Westboro, MA | Internet: holmes@mrx.webo.dg.com +";8;True +"From: rajiev@cfmu.eurocontrol.be (Rajiev Gupta) +Subject: Re: Windows NT FAQ? +Nntp-Posting-Host: shelduck +Organization: Eurocontrol - Central Flow Management Unit +Lines: 26 + +In article gal@bnr.ca (Gene Lavergne) writes: +>I really gives me pause to ask this: +> +>When I first heard of Windows-NT I was surprised by the name because +>it immediately occurred to me that it sounds like a Northern Telecom +>product. Did anyone else notice that? +> +>By the way, BNR (see address below) is an R&D subsidiary of NT. See +>what I mean? +> +>| gal@bnr.ca (Gene A. Lavergne) | In all of opera, I most identify | +>| ESN 444-4842 / (214) 684-4842 | with the character of Elektra. | +>| PO Box 851986, Richardson, TX | That often worries me. | +>| USA 75085-1986 | Opinions expressed here are mine and not BNR's. | + +Windows NT or WNT can also be derived by the next letter in the alphabet +of VMS - same as HAL and IBM. You might recall that the chief architect +of VMS is also chief designer of WNT. + +Rajiev Gupta + +-- +Rajiev GUPTA Eurocontrol - CFMU Disclaimer: +rajiev@cfmu.eurocontrol.be Rue de la Loi 72 These are *my* views, +Tel: +32 2 729 33 12 B-1040 BRUXELLES not my companies. +Fax: +32 2 729 32 16 Belgium +";6;True +"From: myless@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au (Myles Strous) +Subject: J.C.Jensen's bitmap code +Organization: Computer Centre, Monash University, Australia +Lines: 18 + +Greetings all. + According to a FAQ I read, on 30 July 1992, Joshua C. Jensen posted an +article on bitmap manipulation (specifically, scaling and perspective) to the +newsgroup rec.games.programmer. (article 7716) + The article included source code in Turbo Pascal with inline assembly +language. + + I have been unable to find an archive for this newsgroup, or a current +email address for Joshua C. Jensen. + If anyone has the above details, or a copy of the code, could they +please let me know. Many thanks. + Yours gratefully, etc. Myles. + +-- +Myles Strous | Email: myles.strous@lib.monash.edu.au +raytracing fan | Phone: +61.51.226536 +""Got the same urgent grasp of reality as a cardboard cut-out. Proud to have him +on the team."" Archchancellor Mustrum Ridcully, in Reaper Man by Terry Pratchett +";1;True +"From: jeremi@ee.ualberta.ca (William Jeremiah) +Subject: Re: Looking for printer driver +Nntp-Posting-Host: bode.ee.ualberta.ca +Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada +Lines: 12 + +jeremi@ee.ualberta.ca (William Jeremiah) writes: +> I'm looking for a c.itoh printer driver for Windows 3.1. Does anybody +> happen to know where I could find such a beast? + Uh... slight clarification: That should be a printer driver for the +c.itoh LIPS10 laser printer. + Thanks again +> +> Thanks in advance, +> Jerry +-- + +""Look ma! No .signature!"" +";6;True +"From: ritterbus001@wcsub.ctstateu.edu +Subject: Re: Picking up cable tv with an aerial. +Lines: 37 +Nntp-Posting-Host: wcsub.ctstateu.edu +Organization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT + +In article , dino@inqmind.bison.mb.ca (Tony stewart) writes: +> jfsenior@unix1.tcd.ie (John Senior) writes: +> +>> Recently, I discovered that it was possible to receive cable +>> tv through the telescopic aerial on the top of my tv. +>> The nearer this aerial is moved to the cable (which I am not +>> connected to) which runs under the eaves of the house the better +>> the signal. Now, I was wondering how can I improve the signal? +>> Is it possible to improve the signal significantly? (some channels +> +> CABLE EGRESS or emanations if you will are being radiated at free space +> impedance from cables that may be harmonically realated to certain +> channels and therfore the standing waves at 1/4 wave will transfer +> efficiently. Also your antenna (a loose monopole) is also harmonically +> tuned and will be more efficient at 1/2 wavelength multiples. +> +> Your best bet for this research is to use a tuned YAGI antenna to get the +> gain you need. (Std TV roof antenna type) The dipoles should be parallel +> to the radiating cable. A pre-amp doesn't help significantly in my +> experience in most cases. +> +> dino@inqmind.bison.mb.ca +> The Inquiring Mind BBS, Winnipeg, Manitoba 204 488-1607 + +Wow, what a concept! Does anybody want to speculate on how this +""non-connection"" would fit into the theft of cable services laws? +It seems to me that unless this case is specifically written into +the legislation that the cable company would not have a leg to +stand upon in court. + +Does anybody out there have any specific legal knowledge on this? + +Jim Ritterbusch +ritterbus001@wcsu.ctstateu.edu - or - ne22@radiomail.net (temp, rf) +There is an art, the Guide says, or rather a knack to flying. The +knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss. + +";11;True +"From: dean@fringe.rain.com (Dean Woodward) +Subject: Re: Drinking and Riding +Organization: Organization for Mass Confusion. +Lines: 46 + +MJMUISE@1302.watstar.uwaterloo.ca (Mike Muise) writes: + +> In article , maven@eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes: +> > What is a general rule of thumb for sobriety and cycling? Couple hours +> > after you ""feel"" sober? What? Or should I just work with ""If I drink +> > tonight, I don't ride until tomorrow""? +> +> 1 hr/drink for the first 4 drinks. +> 1.5 hours/drink for the next 6 drinks. +> 2 hours/drink for the rest. + +I took an alcohol server's class a few years ago. (What the hey- my employer +paid for it...) + +We were told that the 1 drink / hour rule was written with 80 proof booze +and a 195 pound person in mind. Drinking Cuervo Gold, weighing in @ 140, +I obviously will get drunk faster than the theoretical person mentioned +above. Worse, imagine Rum & coke made with Bacardi 151... + +Mind you all, that's for getting too drunk to drive a car. I may only +have been riding for a month or so, but I plan my evenings with a very +rigid exclusive or statement: Either don't drink, or don't ride. +Pretty simple. + +> +> These are fairly cautious guidelines, and will work even if you happen to +> have a low tolerance or body mass. +> I think the cops and ""Don't You Dare Drink & Drive"" (tm) commercials will +> usually say 1hr/drink in general, but after about 5 drinks and 5 hrs, you +> could very well be over the legal limit. +> Watch yourself. +> -Mike + +Sorry, mike, I have to believe that that policy works best as fertilizer, +even if all you plan to do is drive home nice and ""safe"" in your cage... + +> ________________________________________________ +> / Mike Muise / mjmuise@1302.watstar.uwaterloo.ca \ no quotes, no jokes, +> \ Electrical Engineering, University of Waterloo / no disclaimer, no fear. + + +-- +Dean Woodward | ""You want to step into my world? +dean@fringe.rain.com | It's a socio-psychotic state of Bliss..."" +'82 Virago 920 | -Guns'n'Roses, 'My World' +DoD # 0866 +";7;True +"From: barnett@grymoire.crd.ge.com (Bruce Barnett) +Subject: Re: Title for XTerm +In-Reply-To: lanzo@tekelec.com's message of Thu, 22 Apr 1993 17:35:46 GMT +Nntp-Posting-Host: grymoire.crd.ge.com +Reply-To: barnett@crdgw1.ge.com +Organization: GE Corp. R & D, Schenectady, NY + <1993Apr22.173546.5198@gecko.uucp> + +In article <1993Apr22.173546.5198@gecko.uucp> lanzo@tekelec.com (Mark Lanzo) writes: + + [Hint for Sun OS users: use /usr/5bin/echo instead of + /bin/echo or Csh's built-in echo. Otherwise you'll have + to embed literal ESC and BEL characters in the string + instead of using convenient octal sequences.] + +Bad idea. using /usr/5bin/echo is slower than the built-in echo. +This is what I do. It does execute `hostname` once per shell window, +and does read in one extra file. But manipluating the titles does not +require executing extra programs. + +Oh yes, it does execute some programs once per each system. +But it stores them in a file for the next time... + + +if ( ! $?HOSTNAME ) then + setenv HOSTNAME `hostname` +endif + +# figure how how to generate escape, bell, +# and echo commands without a a line terminator +# I may have done this before. If so, the variable E is set + +# have I executed this script before on this system? +if ( $?E ) then +# echo ""already set the echo variables"">/dev/tty +else if ( -f ~/.echo.${HOSTNAME} ) then + source ~/.echo.${HOSTNAME} +else if ( `echo -n |wc -l` == 0 ) then +# echo ""built in echo is bsd"" >/dev/tty + # then berkeley style echo + echo 'set ech = ""echo -n""' >~/.echo.${HOSTNAME} + echo ""set E = `echo a | tr a '\033'`"" >> ~/.echo.${HOSTNAME} + echo ""set B = `echo a | tr a '\007'`"" >> ~/.echo.${HOSTNAME} + echo 'set N = """"' >> ~/.echo.${HOSTNAME} + source ~/.echo.${HOSTNAME} +else +# echo ""built in echo is sysV"" >/dev/tty + echo 'set ech = ""echo""' >~/.echo.${HOSTNAME} + echo 'set E = ""\033""' >> ~/.echo.${HOSTNAME} + echo 'set B = ""\007""' >> ~/.echo.${HOSTNAME} + echo 'set N = ""\c""' >> ~/.echo.${HOSTNAME} + source ~/.echo.${HOSTNAME} +endif + + +# Are we using shelltool, cmdtool or xterm? +# duplicate these aliases here to avoid problems +if ( $term =~ sun* ) then + # Sun Aliases + alias Header '${ech} ""${E}]l\!:1${E}\${N}""' + alias IHeader '${ech} ""${E}]L\!:1${E}\${N}""' +else if ( $term =~ xterm ) then + alias Header '${ech} ""${E}]2;\!:1${B}${N}""' + alias IHeader '${ech} ""${E}]1;\!:1${B}${N}""' +endif + + + +-- +Bruce Barnett uunet!crdgw1!barnett +";12;True +"From: sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com (Gary Merrill) +Subject: Re: Science and methodology (was: Homeopathy ... tradition?) +Originator: sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com +Nntp-Posting-Host: theseus.unx.sas.com +Organization: SAS Institute Inc. +Lines: 43 + + +In article <1993Apr15.200344.28013@cs.rochester.edu>, fulk@cs.rochester.edu (Mark Fulk) writes: + +|> 2) Science has not historically progressed in any sort of rational +|> experiment-data-theory sequence. Most experiments are carried out, and +|> interpreted, in pre-existing theoretical frameworks. The theoretical +|> controversies of the day determine which experiments get done. Overall, +|> there is a huge messy affair of personal jealousies, crazy motivations, +|> petty hatreds, and the like that determines which experiments, and which +|> computations, get done. What keeps it going forward is the critical +|> function of science: results don't count unless they can be replicated. +|> +|> The whole system is a sort of mechanism for generate-and-test. The generate +|> part can be totally irrational, as long as the test part works properly. + +I think we agree on much. However the paragraphs above seem to repeat +uncritically the standard Kuhn/Lakatos/Feyerabend view of ""progress"" and +""rationality"" in science. Since I've addressed these issues in this +newsgroup in the not too distant past, I won't go into them again now. + +What is wrong with the above observation is that it explicitly gives the +impression (and you may not in fact hold this view) that the common (perhaps +even the ""correct"") approach for a scientist to follow is to sit around +having flights of fancy and scheming on the basis of his jealousies and +petty hatreds. It further at least implicitly advances the position that +sciences goes ""forward"" (and it is not clear what this means given the +context in which it occurs) by generating in a completely non-rational +and even random way a plethora of hypotheses and theories that are then +weeded out via the ""critical function"" of science. (Though why this critical +function should be less subject to the non-rational forces is a mystery. +If experimental design, hypotheses creation, and theory construction are +subject to jealousies and petty hatreds, then this must be equally true +of the application of any ""critical function"" concerning replication. +This is what leads one (ala Feyerabend) to an ""anything goes"" view.) + +True, the generation part *can* be totally irrational. But typically it is +*not*. Anecdotes concerning instances where a hypothesis seems to have +resulted in some way from a dream or from one's political views simply +do not generalize well to the actual history of science. +-- +Gary H. Merrill [Principal Systems Developer, C Compiler Development] +SAS Institute Inc. / SAS Campus Dr. / Cary, NC 27513 / (919) 677-8000 +sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com ... !mcnc!sas!sasghm +";4;True +"From: salaris@niblick.ecn.purdue.edu (Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrabbits) +Subject: Re: Hell_2: Black Sabbath +Organization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network +Lines: 28 + +In article , jprzybyl@skidmore.edu (jennifer przybylinski) writes: +> Hey... +> +> I may be wrong, but wasn't Jeff Fenholt part of Black Sabbath? He's a +> MAJOR brother in Christ now. He totally changed his life around, and +> he and his wife go on tours singing, witnessing, and spreading the +> gospel for Christ. I may be wrong about Black Sabbath, but I know he +> was in a similar band if it wasn't that particular group... +> + +Jeff Fenholt claims to have once been a roadie for Black Sabbath. +He was never ever a musician in the band. He was in St. Louis several +months back. The poster I saw at the Christian bookstore I frequent +really turned me off. It was addressed to all ""Homosexuals, prostitutes, +drug addicts, alcoholics, and headbangers..."" or something like that. + +Well, if I showed up with my long hair and black leather jacket I +would have felt a little pre-judged. As a Orthodox Christian, and +a ""headbanger"" I was slightly insulted at being lumped together with +drug addicts and alcoholics. Oh yes, I suppose since I drink a good +German beer now and then that makes me an alcoholic. NOT! + + +-- +Steven C. Salaris We're...a lot more dangerous than 2 Live Crew +salaris@carcs1.wustl.edu and their stupid use of foul language because + we have ideas. We have a philosophy. + Geoff Tate -- Queensryche +";17;True +"From: eczcaw@mips.nott.ac.uk (A.Wainwright) +Subject: Re: some thoughts. +Keywords: Dan Bissell +Reply-To: eczcaw@mips.nott.ac.uk (A.Wainwright) +Organization: Nottingham University +Lines: 28 + +In article , healta@saturn.wwc.edu (Tammy R Healy) writes: +|> I hope you're not going to flame him. Please give him the same coutesy you' +|> ve given me. +|> +|> Tammy + + +If a person gives a well-balanced reasoned argument, Tammy, then all are +happy to discuss it with him. If he makes astounding claims, which are not +backed up with any evidence then he must be expected to substantiate them. +If the original author had said that everything was his own opinion and not +supportable then people would have simply ignored him. He did not. He +claimed many things and his logic was seriously flawed. His argument was for +christianity in an effort to try to convince atheists like myself to believe +him and his message. I for one will not take things as read. If you told me +that pink fluffy elephants did the dance of the sugar plum fairy on the dark +side of Jupiter then I would demand evidence! + + +Adda + + +-- ++-------------------------+-----------------------------------------------+ +| Adda Wainwright | Does dim atal y llanw! 8o) | +| eczcaw@mips.nott.ac.uk | 8o) Mae .sig 'ma ar werth! | ++-------------------------+-----------------------------------------------+ + +";9;True +"Organization: University of Notre Dame - Office of Univ. Computing +From: +Subject: Re: USA McWeekly Stats +Lines: 13 + +In article , franjion@spot.Colorado.EDU +(John Franjione) says: +> +>Also, I have the impression from reading this group and Bill James +>that Elias is a bunch of money-grubbing jerks whose mission is to +>charge as much as they can for baseball statistical info +> + +and bill james is not? yeah. sure. do you own ""the bill james players +rating book""? + +bob vesterman. + +";14;True +"From: baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) +Subject: Galileo Update - 04/15/93 +Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory +Lines: 113 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov +Keywords: Galileo, JPL +News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 + +Forwarded from Neal Ausman, Galileo Mission Director + + GALILEO + MISSION DIRECTOR STATUS REPORT + POST-LAUNCH + April 9 - 15, 1993 + +SPACECRAFT + +1. On April 9, real-time commands were sent, as planned, to reacquire +celestial reference after completion of the Low Gain Antenna (LGA-2) +swing/Dual Drive Actuator (DDA) hammer activities. + +2. On April 9, the EJ-1 (Earth-Jupiter #1) sequence memory load was uplinked +to the spacecraft without incident. This sequence covers spacecraft activity +from April 12, 1993 to June 14, 1993 and includes a window for the Radio Relay +Antenna (RRA) slew test on April 28, 1993. The command loss timer was set to +11 days as a part of this sequence memory load. + +3. On April 12 and 15, a NO-OP command was sent to reset the command loss +timer to 264 hours, its planned value during this mission phase. + +4. On April 12, cruise science Memory Readouts (MROs) were performed for the +Extreme Ultraviolet Spectrometer (EUV), Dust Detector (DDS), and Magnetometer +(MAG) instruments. Preliminary analysis indicates the data was received +properly. + +5. On April 12, an Ultra-Stable Oscillator (USO) test was performed to verify +the health status of the USO and to collect gravitational red shift experiment +data; long term trend analysis is continuing. + +6. On April 14, a 40bps modulation index test was performed to determine the +optimal Signal-to-Noise Ratio (SNR) when transmitting at 40bps. Preliminary +analysis of the data suggests that the present pre-launch selected modulation +index is near the optimal level. + +7. On April 15, cruise science Memory Readouts (MROs) were performed for the +Extreme Ultraviolet Spectrometer (EUV) and Magnetometer (MAG) instrument. +Preliminary analysis indicates the data was received properly. + +8. On April 15, a periodic RPM (Retro-Propulsion Module) 10-Newton thruster +flushing maintenance activity was performed; all 12 thrusters were flushed +during the activity. Thruster performance throughout the activity was nominal. + +9. The AC/DC bus imbalance measurements have not exhibited significant +changes (greater than 25 DN) throughout this period. The AC measurement reads +19 DN (4.3 volts). The DC measurement reads 111 DN (12.9 volts). These +measurements are consistent with the model developed by the AC/DC special +anomaly team. + +10. The Spacecraft status as of April 15, 1993, is as follows: + + a) System Power Margin - 60 watts + b) Spin Configuration - Dual-Spin + c) Spin Rate/Sensor - 3.15rpm/Star Scanner + d) Spacecraft Attitude is approximately 18 degrees + off-sun (lagging) and 6 degrees off-earth (leading) + e) Downlink telemetry rate/antenna- 40bps(coded)/LGA-1 + f) General Thermal Control - all temperatures within + acceptable range + g) RPM Tank Pressures - all within acceptable range + h) Orbiter Science- Instruments powered on are the PWS, + EUV, UVS, EPD, MAG, HIC, and DDS + i) Probe/RRH - powered off, temperatures within + acceptable range + j) CMD Loss Timer Setting - 264 hours + Time To Initiation - 260 hours + + +GDS (Ground Data Systems): + +1. Galileo participated in a second DSN (Deep Space Network) acceptance test +for the DSN Telemetry Phase 3 Upgrade on April 13, 1993, using CTA-21 +(Compatibility Test Area 21). The purpose of this test was to verify +the flow of Galileo telemetry data through the new Telemetry Group Controller +(TGC) and the Telemetry Channel Assembly (TCA). The TGC/TCA is the replacement +for the current Telemetry Processing Assembly (TPA). Seven different telemetry +rates were run for this test; all ran well on both the MTS (MCCC Telemetry +Subsystem) and the AMMOS MGDS V18.0 GIF with the exception of 10bps. The +10bps rate had some trouble staying in lock; it appears the TGC/TCA was +not metering the data correctly. Further comparisons between the MGDS and MTS +data from this test are being conducted. MVT (Mission Verification Test) of +the TGC/TCA system is expected to begin May 16, 1993. + + +TRAJECTORY + + As of noon Thursday, April 15, 1993, the Galileo Spacecraft trajectory +status was as follows: + + Distance from Earth 152,606,000 km (1.02 AU) + Distance from Sun 277,519,800 km (1.86 AU) + Heliocentric Speed 93,400 km per hour + Distance from Jupiter 543,973,900 km + Round Trip Light Time 17 minutes, 4 seconds + + +SPECIAL TOPIC + +1. As of April 15, 1993, a total of 70184 real-time commands have been +transmitted to Galileo since Launch. Of these, 65076 were initiated in the +sequence design process and 5108 initiated in the real-time command process. +In the past week, 7 real time commands were transmitted: 6 were initiated in +the sequence design process and one initiated in the real time command process. +Major command activities included commands to reacquire celestial reference, +uplink the EJ-1 sequence memory load, and reset the command loss timer. + ___ _____ ___ + /_ /| /____/ \ /_ /| Ron Baalke | baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov + | | | | __ \ /| | | | Jet Propulsion Lab | + ___| | | | |__) |/ | | |__ M/S 525-3684 Telos | Being cynical never helps +/___| | | | ___/ | |/__ /| Pasadena, CA 91109 | to correct the situation +|_____|/ |_|/ |_____|/ | and causes more aggravation + | instead. +";2;True +"From: kaminski@netcom.com (Peter Kaminski) +Subject: Re: What about sci.med.chemistry +Article-I.D.: netcom.kaminskiC52n0s.2uA +Organization: The Information Deli - via Netcom / San Jose, California +Lines: 19 + +In julkunen@messi.uku.fi (Antero +Julkunen) writes: + +>There is this newsgroup sci.med.physics and there has been quite a lot +>discussion in this group about many chemical items e.g. prolactin +>cholesterol, TSH etc. Should there also be a newsgroup sci.med.chemistry? + +It's got potential. Instead of *.chemistry, how about splitting the +classification into *.biochemistry (which are probably the topics +you're thinking of) and *.pharmaceutical (which otherwise might end up +in *.(bio)chemistry)? + +(This is separate from the issue of whether there is sufficient potential +news volume to support either or both groups.) + +I'll add 'em to my medical/health newsgroup wish list (which I'm looking +forward to posting and discussing -- but not for another 10 days or so). + +Pete +";4;True +"From: dkennett@fraser.sfu.ca (Daniel Kennett) +Subject: [POV] Having trouble bump mapping a gif to a sphere +Summary: Having trouble bump mapping a gif to a spher in POVray +Keywords: bump map +Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada +Lines: 44 + + +Hello, + I've been trying to bump map a gif onto a sphere for a while and I +can't seem to get it to work. Image mapping works, but not bump +mapping. Here's a simple file I was working with, could some kind +soul tell me whats wrong with this..... + +#include ""colors.inc"" +#include ""shapes.inc"" +#include ""textures.inc"" + +camera { + location <0 1 -3> + direction <0 0 1.5> + up <0 1 0> + right <1.33 0 0> + look_at <0 1 2> +} + +object { light_source { <2 4 -3> color White } + } + +object { + sphere { <0 1 2> 1 } + texture { + bump_map { 1 <0 1 2> gif ""surf.gif""} + } +} + +NOTE: surf.gif is a plasma fractal from Fractint that is using the +landscape palette map. + + + Thanks in advance + -Daniel- + +*======================================================================* +| Daniel Kennett | +| dkennett@sfu.ca | +| ""Our minds are finite, and yet even in those circumstances of | +| finitude, we are surrounded by possibilities that are infinite, and | +| the purpose of human life is to grasp as much as we can out of that | +| infinitude."" - Alfred North Whitehead | +*======================================================================* +";1;True +"From: nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu +Subject: Blow up space station, easy way to do it. +Article-I.D.: aurora.1993Apr5.184527.1 +Organization: University of Alaska Fairbanks +Lines: 28 +Nntp-Posting-Host: acad3.alaska.edu + +This might a real wierd idea or maybe not.. + +I have seen where people have blown up ballons then sprayed material into them +that then drys and makes hard walls... + +Why not do the same thing for a space station.. + +Fly up the docking rings and baloon materials and such, blow up the baloons, +spin then around (I know a problem in micro gravity) let them dry/cure/harden? +and cut a hole for the docking/attaching ring and bingo a space station.. + +Of course the ballons would have to be foil covered or someother radiation +protective covering/heat shield(?) and the material used to make the wals would +have to meet the out gasing and other specs or atleast the paint/covering of +the inner wall would have to be human safe.. Maybe a special congrete or maybe +the same material as makes caplets but with some changes (saw where someone +instea dof water put beer in the caplet mixture, got a mix that was just as +strong as congret but easier to carry around and such..) + +Sorry for any spelling errors, I missed school today.. (grin).. + +Why musta space station be so difficult?? why must we have girders? why be +confined to earth based ideas, lets think new ideas, after all space is not +earth, why be limited by earth based ideas?? + +== +Michael Adams, nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu -- I'm not high, just jacked +going crazy in Nome Alaska, break up is here.. +";2;True +"From: nigel@cnw01.storesys.coles.oz.au (Nigel Harwood) +Subject: Adaptec ASW-410 and Sony CDU-641 +Organization: Coles Supermarkets +Lines: 24 + +About two months ago I purchased the Adaptec ASW-410 driver for use with a +CD-ROM drive. At the time this seemed the thing to do as the documentation I +had with my Adaptec SCSI controller said that this is the driver to be used with +CD-ROM drives. Since then I have learn that this driver is out of date in a +major way and that Adaptec have an upgrade deal for going to the next driver +(I think it's called EZI-SCSI or something). I wasn't too fussed about this +until I upgraded by CD-ROM drive from a Sony CDU-541 to a Sony CDU-641. I now +find that the audio-mode will not work. I assume it is not being handled +correctly by the ASW-410 driver. + +So, should I chase Adaptec for an upgrade? If so does anyone know their +FAX number? + +Any assistance appreciated. + +Regards + +BTW: everything else works fine, certainly seems that Sony have caught up with + the rest with the 641. +-- +<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Nigel Harwood >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +<< Post: Coles Supermarkets, PO Box 480 Glen Iris 3146, Australia >> +<< Phone: +61 3 829 6090 E-mail: nigel@cnw01.storesys.coles.oz.au >> +<< FAX: +61 3 829 6886 >> +";5;True +"From: nanderso@Endor.sim.es.com (Norman Anderson) +Subject: Re: A WRENCH in the works? +Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp. +Lines: 13 + +jmcocker@eos.ncsu.edu (Mitch) writes: + + + +>effect that one of the SSRBs that was recovered after the +>recent space shuttle launch was found to have a wrench of +>some sort rattling around apparently inside the case. + +I heard a similar statement in our local news (UTAH) tonight. They referred +to the tool as ""...the PLIERS that took a ride into space..."". They also +said that a Thiokol (sp?) employee had reported missing a tool of some kind +during assembly of one SRB. No more info as to the location in the SRB. +I agree, pretty weird. +";2;True +"From: sunnyt@coding.bchs.uh.edu +Subject: Re: When is Apple going to ship CD300i's? +Organization: University of Houston +Lines: 22 +Reply-To: ln63sdm@sdcc4.ucsd.edu +NNTP-Posting-Host: franklin.bchs.uh.edu + +In article <1993Apr19.164734.24779@newsgate.sps.mot.com> +rjacks@austlcm.sps.mot.com (rodney jacks) writes: +> I would really like to get one of the new CD300i CDROM +> drives for my c650, but my local Apple doesn't know +> when they will be available. He doesn't even have a part +> number yet. Does anyone know what the part number +> for this drive is and when it will be available? +> +> My Apple dealer suggested I buy one of the CD300 external +> drives, but I don't want to pay extra for a case/power supply +> I'm not going to use. +> +> -Rodney Jacks +> (rjacks@austlcm.sps.mot.com) + +The CD300 (external) is already shipping and has been shipping for quite awhile +now. Demand for the units are high, so they are pretty rare. I've seen them +listed for around $525-550 at local computer stores and the campus Mac +reseller. I've also heard rumors that they are bundled with a couple of CD's, +but I can't confirm it. + +Sunny ===>sunnyt@dna.bchs.uh.edu +";0;True +"Distribution: world +From: Pamela_E._Mullen@dbug.org +Organization: Seattle Mac dBUG +Return-Receipt-To: Pamela_E._Mullen@dbug.org +Subject: PB 100 to Non Apple Printer +Lines: 8 + +Is there a workaround which will enable me to print to a HPLJ4 from my +Powerbook 100? (Actually I'm going to a 4M which will have an Ethernet card in +the LocalTalk slot!!!GRRRRR). Is there some hardware which will enable me to +this easily (kind of plug and play!). + +Thanks, Pam Mullen +-- [ This message was sent by a member of Seattle Mac dBUG's ExChange BBS ] + PO Box 3463, Seattle, WA 98114 USA Infoline (206) 624-9329 +";0;True +"From: geos56@Judy.UH.EDU +Subject: WholeSale TV sets. +Organization: University of Houston +Lines: 3 +Reply-To: geos56@Judy.UH.EDU +NNTP-Posting-Host: judy.uh.edu + +We are representing some Chinese TV manufacturers who want to wholesale their +products to Latin American countries. We are looking for brokers/agents who +can help us. Products include both color and black/white TVs from 11"" to 24"". If interested, please e-mail or fax to Mr Z Ho at 713-926-7953 (USA) for more information or inquiries. good commission. +";8;True +"From: sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) +Subject: Re: O.T.O clarification +Organization: Cookamunga Tourist Bureau +Lines: 19 + +In article <79895@cup.portal.com>, Thyagi@cup.portal.com (Thyagi Morgoth +NagaSiva) wrote: +> They are considered different and largely unrelated by a number of +> sources. I've seen documentation which links them through the figure +> of H. Spencer Lewis. Lewis was apparently involved with Reuss, who +> was the O.H.O. of Ordo Templi Orientis for many years. Apparently it +> is also true that Lewis had a charter to form an O.T.O. body and then +> created A.M.O.R.C. (as a subsidiary? an interesting question). + +If anyone is interested in the history of AMORC, I do think Spencer +Lewis published books about the beginning and his mission. The +Alexandria bookstore (that's the name of the book store operated +by AMORC) should have a selection that should provide the interested +reader more insight). + +Cheers, +Kent +--- +sandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net. +";19;True +"From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) +Subject: Re: > The probability that the ""automobile system"" will kill someone +>> innocent in an accident goes asymptotically close to 1, just +>> like the court system. +>However, anyone who doesn't like the ""automobile system"" can +>opt out, as I have. + +This isn't true. Many people are forced to use the ""automobile system."" +I certainly don't use it by choice. If there were other ways of getting +around, I'd do it. + +>Secondly, we do try to make the ""automobile system"" as safe +>as possible, because we *do* recognize the danger to the +>innocent, whereas the US - the current example - is not trying +>to make the ""Court System"" safer, which it could fairly easily +>do by replacing fatal punishments with non-fatal punishments. + +But I think that the Court system has been refined--over hundreds of +years in the US, Britain, and other countries. We have tried to make +it as fair as possible. Can it be made better (without removing the +death penalty)? Besides, life imprisonment sounds like a fatal punishment +to me. + +keith +";9;True +"From: mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) +Subject: Re: Need advice with doctor-patient relationship problem +Nntp-Posting-Host: aisun3.ai.uga.edu +Organization: AI Programs, University of Georgia, Athens +Lines: 9 + +Sounds as though his heart's in the right place, but he is not adept at +expressing it. What you received was _meant_ to be a profound apology. +Apologies delivered by overworked shy people often come out like that... + +-- +:- Michael A. Covington, Associate Research Scientist : ***** +:- Artificial Intelligence Programs mcovingt@ai.uga.edu : ********* +:- The University of Georgia phone 706 542-0358 : * * * +:- Athens, Georgia 30602-7415 U.S.A. amateur radio N4TMI : ** *** ** <>< +";4;True +"From: leavitt@cs.umd.edu (Mr. Bill) +Subject: Re: How Big Is Too Big (was Re: 1st bike) +Organization: The Cafe at the Edge of the Universe +Lines: 42 + +azw@aber.ac.uk(Andy Woodward) writes: +azw>Weight and size over rough roads is a definite no-no. If is starts to +azw>drift, you aint going to catch it. + +leavitt@cs.umd.edu (Mr. Bill) says: +mrb>If you're riding hard enough for this to be of concern, then yes, a +mrb>lighter bike is more beneficial. + +ai598@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Sturdevant) writes: +ms>If you're not riding hard enough for this to be a concern, are you +ms>having any fun? + +Sure. I've never been much of a racerboy, as anybody who's attended the +Minibike Spectacular can attest. ;^) I get a great deal of satisfaction +in riding fast, yet now so fast as to be overly concerned about not being +able to maintain a clean line. And while I'm still known to slide the +occasional tire, I much prefer to stay just to the sticky side of that +line. I've found that I don't heal as well as I used to in days of yore. + +BTW, how's the knee? + +mrb>anyway. Am I more likely to catch a 400 than a 250? Not necessarily. +mrb>Tires, road surface and rider ability are a much more important criteria. + +ms>Actually, big horsepower is just as likely to get you out of trouble +ms>when it ""Starts to Drift"" as your puny body mass pushing on stuff. A well +ms>placed push from 80 or 90 horsepower can do a lot to straighten or change +ms>in a beneficial way the trajectory of the bike/rider system. That's a + +Quite true. Another plus for a 500+ bike, the original thread, I think. +Damn circular threads... ;^) + +ms>Go fast. Take chances. +ms> +ms> Mike S. + +Mr. Bill +-- ++ Bill Leavitt, #224 + '82 CBX ""White Lightning"", '82 GS850G ""Suzibago"" + ++ leavitt@cs.umd.edu + '76 CJ360 ""Little Honda"", '68 Lone Star ""Sick Leave"" + ++ DoD AMA ICOA NIA + '69 Impala convertible ""The Incredible Hulk"", others + ++ ""Hmmm, I thought bore and stroke *was* the technique!"" Michael Bain, #757 + +";7;True +"From: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (Vesselin Bontchev) +Subject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption +Reply-To: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de +Organization: Virus Test Center, University of Hamburg +Lines: 19 + +mathew writes: + +> bena@dec05.cs.monash.edu.au (Ben Aveling) writes: +> > Don't forget, you are in the country that wouldn't let the Russians +> > buy Apple II's because of security concerns. + +> That's nothing. They wouldn't let the British buy Inmos Transputer systems +> because of security concerns. And we designed the damn things! + +Funny, we had plenty of them in Bulgaria, regardless of the embargo... +:-) So much for export controls... + +Regards, +Vesselin +-- +Vesselin Vladimirov Bontchev Virus Test Center, University of Hamburg +Tel.:+49-40-54715-224, Fax: +49-40-54715-226 Fachbereich Informatik - AGN +< PGP 2.2 public key available on request. > Vogt-Koelln-Strasse 30, rm. 107 C +e-mail: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de D-2000 Hamburg 54, Germany +";16;True +"From: da228@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Charles G. Williams) +Subject: Has anyone had problems with IBM drives in their machines? +Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) +Lines: 24 +Reply-To: da228@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Charles G. Williams) +NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu + + +Hi, + +The subject line says it all. My system acts weird at times. All of a +sudden the system will be corrupt, boot blocks will get chewed, etc. + +This was a really big problem for a while. I couldn't even format my +drive properly. I installed HDT's driver and things got better. Now +all I have to do is reinstall the system. Could an incompatibility +exist between it and a Quantum external drive. + +I'm looking for a pure hardware solution. It's not a virus, bad +software, etc. Could I have a bad SCSI cable? Or is the IBM (WDS-80) +just a screwey drive? + +Thanks, + +Chuck + +-- +Chuck Williams ==> CS Intern ==> Pacific Northwest Laboratories + +da228@cleveland.freenet.edu +cg_williams@ccmail.pnl.gov +";0;True +"From: cst@blueoak.berkeley.edu (Courtney Terry) +Subject: For Sale: 1983 Nissan Sentra +Organization: University of California, Berkeley +Lines: 15 +Distribution: ba +NNTP-Posting-Host: blueoak.berkeley.edu + + ************************** + 1983 Nissan Sentra + ************************** + +o two door hatchback +o red +o am/fm cassette +o lots of new parts, well maintained +o very clean, inside and out +o looks and runs great +o $2000/bo + +Bob or Tracy at 510-540-8795 + +(Please do not respond to this account) +";8;True +"From: ray@netcom.com (Ray Fischer) +Subject: Re: 68040 Specs. +Organization: Netcom. San Jose, California +Lines: 43 + +patrickd@wpi.WPI.EDU (Lazer) writes ... +>I'd appreciate it greatly if someone could E-mail me the following: +>(if you only know one, that's fine) +>1) Specs for the 68040 (esp. how it compares to the Pentium) + +Specs for the 68040 can fill a 500 page book. Some highlights are... +32-bit address space w/ 32-bit data width. 18 32-bit integer registers +& 8 80-bit floating point registers. 8K copyback capable caches, +4-way set associative. Typical 1.2 clocks/integer instruction. 5 +clocks for a floating point multiply. + +(interesting aside: the 68040 can multiply two 80-bit floating point +numbers in less time than it can multiply two 32-bit integers) + +>2) Specs for the 68060 with estimated cost, release date, etc... + +More of the same but with multiple instruction dispatching. Figure +about 0.8 clocks per instruction typical (my guess). But the Motorola +guys are pretty bright, it may be less. + +>I'm interested in speeds, systems it can run (Windows NT, RISC, or whatever), +>costs, bus info, register info. All the technical info. + +Call Motorola. I'm not typing it all in. + +>I am hoping that the 68040 can win yet another battle against the intel people. + +I'm predicting that both the 680x0 and x86 lines are reaching their +ends. New experimental processors have 64-bit data pathways and can +schedule up to 8 out of 32 instructions each clock cycle. That sort +of trick can't really be done with CISC architectures. + +I finally saw some details on the 586/Pentium and was not greatly +impressed. They've finally done some work on the FPU to get it up to +speed, but otherwise it's only going to be a 2x speedup. And to get +that they're using two integer units, larger caches, and a branch +target buffer. Yes, I know they're talking about 100MHz processors. +Big whoop. Designing a 100MHz board is difficult and really +expensive. Priced 15ns memory chips lately? + +-- +Ray Fischer ""Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth +ray@netcom.com than lies."" -- Friedrich Nietzsche +";0;True +"From: edo2877@ucs.usl.edu (Ott Edward D) +Subject: E-MAIL +Organization: Univ. of Southwestern La., Lafayette +Distribution: usa +Lines: 7 + + + +does anyone have the e-mail address for the white house. if so please send it to +me thanks a lot. + + + +";18;True +"From: Alexander Samuel McDiarmid +Subject: Re: Centris 610 Video Problem - I'm having it also! +Organization: Sophomore, Mechanical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA +Lines: 40 +Distribution: comp +NNTP-Posting-Host: po3.andrew.cmu.edu +In-Reply-To: + +From: push@media.mit.edu (Pushpinder Singh) +Subject: re: Centris 610 Video Problem - I'm having it also! +Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1993 03:17:45 GMT + +> When the computer is set for 256 colors and certain operations are done, +> particularly vertical scrolling through a window, horizontal white lines +> appear on the monitor (which generally but not always spare open +> windows). These lines accummulate as the operation is continued. If a +> window is moved over the involved area of the screen and then moved away +> the line disappear from that area of the screen. This problem is not +> observed if the monitor is configured for 16 colors or a 14 inch Apple +> monitor with 256 colors is used. +> +> I suspect a bad video RAM chip but cannot be certain. The problem has +> been apparent since day 1 but has gotten worse. + +I'm having exactly the same problem. Again, it's fine when I switch to 16 +colors or a smaller monitor. My configuration is: + +Model: Centris 610 with 4 MB/80 HD, 512 VRAM, no cards +Monitor: MAG MX15F with 16"" monitor adaptor (for resolution of 832*624) + +I just discovered the problem a little while ago after plugging in my +new MAG monitor. It seems to appear either when scrolling through a +window or when using Alpha or Word and I enter . + +My guess is bad VRAMs as well. I really hope it isn't a design flaw. Is +anyone at Apple listening? + +Pushpinder Singh +push@media.mit.edu + +*********************************** + + Try finding an init called Basic color monitor. This should clear +up some probs with Centris 610's and vga type monitors. I know it +exists, somewhere I have a binhexed copy, but I don't know where and +never got around to installing it. I have this problem on my sony 1604. + + -A. +";0;True +"From: caralv@caralv.auto-trol.com (Carol Alvin) +Subject: Re: The arrogance of Christians +Lines: 37 + +vbv@r2d2.eeap.cwru.edu (Virgilio (Dean) B. Velasco Jr.) writes: + +> I just thought I'd share some words that I received in a letter +> from Moody Bible Institute a couple of months ago. The words are by +> James M. Stowell, the president of MBI. +> +> ""The other day, I was at the dry cleaner and the radio was playing. +> It caught my attention because a talk show guest was criticizing evangelical +> Christians, saying we believe in absolutes and think we are the only ones +> who know what the absolutes are. +> +> ""He missed the point. + +No, IMO, Mr. Stowell missed the point. + +> ""We affirm the absolutes of Scripture, not because we are arrogant +> moralists, but because we believe in God who is truth, who has revealed His +> truth in His Word, and therefore we hold as precious the strategic importance +> of those absolutes."" + +Mr. Stowell seems to have jumped rather strangely from truth to absolutes. +I don't see how that necessarily follows. + +Are all truths also absolutes? +Is all of scripture truths (and therefore absolutes)? + +If the answer to either of these questions is no, then perhaps you can +explain to me how you determine which parts of Scripture are truths, and +which truths are absolutes. And, who is qualified to make these +determinations? There is hardly consensus, even in evangelical +Christianity (not to mention the rest of Christianity) regarding +Biblical interpretation. + +I find Mr. Stowell's statement terribly simple-minded. + +Carol Alvin +caralv@auto-trol.com +";17;True +"From: rats@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (Morris the Cat) +Subject: Re: news says BATF indictment/warrant unsealed... +Organization: AT&T +Distribution: usa +Lines: 26 + + +|QUESTION: +|What will Californians do with all those guns after the Reginald +|denny trial? + +The Wall Street Journal had an article on how the police were whining +about all the new guns; excuse me, but police are EMPLOYEES of the +government. Rather like having your janitor complain about job +conditions. + +I say Californians should form armed block clubs that would engage +in coordinated strategies should BATF attempt to disarm them based +on the ""nefarious tipster"" theory of law enforcement. Unlike Waco, +Californians should be able to destroy armored vehicles in city +streets with incendiary weapons, acetylene after slowing them down +with abandoned car blockades. M-1 Garands should easily outclass +BATF shock troops with their H&K MP-5 SMGs, and there should be +enough Sony Walkmans and Boom Boxes to overwhelm any FBI psy-war +operation... yes, a good time would be had by all. Billary Clinton +would get what he wanted, a War on Gunowners, the BATF would attempt +to show the anti-gun press they they really, REALLY were in charge +with a 500-man ""Charge of the Light Brigade,"" and the FBI would attempt +to show how _THEY_ really were in charge by asking the Californian +National Guard to level the area with artillary! + +:-) :-) :-) +";3;True +"From: gt1706a@prism.gatech.EDU (Maureen L. Eagle) +Subject: WANTED Brother P-Touch +Article-I.D.: hydra.91500 +Distribution: usa +Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology +Lines: 12 + +As it says, I'm interested in buying one of the little +label-makers, and I can't afford a new one. Anybody +tired of theirs? + +E-mail Maureen gt1706a@prism.gatech.edu + + +-- +Maureen L. Eagle +Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332 +uucp: ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!gt1706a +Internet: gt1706a@prism.gatech.edu +";8;True +"From: rnichols@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (robert.k.nichols) +Subject: Need info on PS/2 mouse port +Organization: AT&T +Distribution: na +Lines: 11 + +Would someone please email me the pinout for a PS/2 6-pin mini DIN mouse +port? I'm trying to make an adapter for a serial mouse, and the dealer who +knows what adapter works with the mouse I bought doesn't have it in stock. +I have several different adapters, but none of them make sense based on +what sketchy information I have about the port (they have connections to +""reserved"" pins). + +-- +Bob Nichols +AT&T Bell Laboratories +rnichols@ihlpm.ih.att.com +";5;True +"From: jigang@dale.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Jigang Yang) +Subject: icon pixmap problem... +Keywords: icon, motif, openlook +Nntp-Posting-Host: dale.ssc.gov +Organization: Superconducting Super Collider Laboratory +Lines: 15 + + + + I have a problem with icon pixmap. My application has to run + under openwindow and motif. I wrote my program in Motif with pixmap and + icons. It runs fine under motif/motif window manager and X11R5/mwm. But + the icon pixmap does not show up under openwin/olwm and X11R5/olwm. + + Has anybody got into this kind of problem? Need a clue. An + example which works in both X11R5/motif and openwindow will be great. + +-- +Jigang Yang, jigang@dale.ssc.gov, jyang@sscvx1.bitnet +2550 Beckleymeade Ave. MS 4011 Tel: 214-708-3498 +Dallas, TX 75237 Fax: 214-708-4898 + +";12;True +"From: susan@wuee1.wustl.edu (Susan Castleman) +Subject: TEst +Nntp-Posting-Host: wuee1 +Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO +Distribution: stl +Lines: 1 + +This is a test. Thanks. +";8;True +"From: musone@acsu.buffalo.edu (Mark J. Musone) +Subject: MC SBI mixer +Organization: UB +Lines: 20 +Nntp-Posting-Host: autarch.acsu.buffalo.edu + +HI, I was wondering if anyone would be able to help me on twwo related +subjects. I am currently learning about AM/FM receivers and recieving +circuits. I understand a lot of things ,but a few things I am confused +abuot. The first is the MIXER, to mix the RF and local oscillator +frequencies to make the IF. Does anyone have any cicruit diagrams (as +simple as possible) for this kind of mixer? I have come across a +MC-SBL mixer chip But I have not been able to find it in any catalogs +(ACTIVE,etc...) + +Along the same note, are there any SIMPLE fm receiver circuits anyone +may have stashed away somewhere and they couold let me see?. + +P.S. any REALLY GOOD BOOKS on AM/FM theory ALONG WITH DETAILED +ELECTRICAL DIAGRAMS would help a lot. +I have seen a lot of theory books with no circuits and a lot of +circuit books with no theory, but one without the other does not help. + + Thanks, + + Mark Musone +";11;True +"From: grady@world.std.com (Dick Grady) +Subject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time +Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA +Lines: 10 + +In article <0w2Z2B1w164w@cellar.org> blu@cellar.org (Dan Reed) writes: +>Fact is, I just leave the valet key in my glovebox for whenever +>I need it... + +That will make it easy for a car thief. +Saves him/her the trouble of popping your ignition! + +-- +Dick Grady Salem, NH, USA grady@world.std.com +So many newsgroups, so little time! +";10;True +"From: miner@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu +Subject: Re: Ancient Books +Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services +Lines: 43 + +In article , mayne@ds3.scri.fsu.edu (Bill Mayne) writes: +> In article miner@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes: +>>[Any former atheists converted by argument?} +>>This is an excellent question and I'll be anxious to see if there are +>>any such cases. I doubt it. In the medieval period (esp. 10th-cent. +>>when Aquinas flourished) argument was a useful tool because everyone +>>""knew the rules."" Today, when you can't count on people knowing even +>>the basics of logic or seeing through rhetoric, a good argument is +>>often indistinguishable from a poor one. +> +> The last sentence is ironic, since so many readers of +> soc.religion.christian seem to not be embarrassed by apologists such as +> Josh McDowell and C.S. Lewis. + +I haven't followed whatever discussion there may have been on these +people, but I feel that C. S. Lewis is an excellent apologist and I +see no reason for embarrassment. If you think that errors and flawed +arguments are a reason for dismissing a thinker, you must dismiss +nearly every thinker from Descartes to Kant; any philosophy course +will introduce you to their weaknesses. + + The above also expresses a rather odd sense +> of history. What makes you think the masses in Aquinas' day, who were +> mostly illiterate, knew any more about rhetoric and logic than most people +> today? If writings from the period seem elevated consider that only the +> cream of the crop, so to speak, could read and write. If everyone in +> the medieval period ""knew the rules"" it was a matter of uncritically +> accepting what they were told. + +I said nothing about ""the masses."" However comparing ""the masses"" in +our day and in Aquinas' day really *is* odd. Read Ortega y Gasset on +this. + +I'm talking about the familiar experience of arguing all night and +winning on logic and evidence, only to discover your opponent to be +unaware, even intuitively, of things like entailment (let alone +pragmatics). (I am assuming that both parties are college graduates +or better...) Myself, I don't bother any more. + +Ken +-- +miner@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu | Nobody can explain everything to everybody. +opinions are my own | G. K. Chesterton +";17;True +"From: bobmon@cs.indiana.edu (Bob Montante) +Subject: WANTED: bus card for Logitech Mouse +Article-I.D.: news.1993Apr1.162131.4673 +Expires: 5/15/1993 +Distribution: na +Organization: dyskaryotic +Lines: 7 + +I've acquired an old Logitech Series 7 (3-button) mouse, and I'm told +that this is a bus mouse. Does anyone want to unload an old +(pc-clone) bus-card for this mouse? + +email replies to: bobmon@cs.indiana.edu + +thanks. +";5;True +"From: cwwhite@vax2.concordia.ca (Stephen White) +Subject: Re: Gritz/JBS/Liberty Lobby/LaRouche/Christic Insitute/Libertarian/... +News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 +Nntp-Posting-Host: vax2.concordia.ca +Organization: Concordia University +Lines: 25 + +In article , rubinoff+@cs.cmu.edu (Robert Rubinoff) writes... +>In article <93105.230230U23590@uicvm.uic.edu> writes: +>>Note that Bo Gritz was on the Populist party ticket with David +>>Duke (for veep) in 1988 until he found out that Duke was leading +>>he ticket, when he withdrew his candidacy. So Gritz gave up his +>>chance to be Vice President of the US just to aviod supporting +>>Duke. + +>I'd hardly call that ""giving up his chance to be Vice President of the US""; +>the chance of the Populist Party ticket winning is essentially nil. Still, +>it does imply that he doesn't want to be associated with Duke. + +> Robert + +Exactly, after all he was in the same party, probably just didn't want the +bad press that being directly associated with Duke would bring. Conversely, +is his disdain for David Duke supposed to make us ideolize him? I mean +a stand against neo-nazism ... Whoa! Now that's progressive! Come on. + +I certainly know that I would refuse and openly denounce my Vice Presidency +if it meant putting him in control. + + --Stephen White + +| ""Live simply that others may simply live"" --Mohandas K. Gandhi | +";3;True +"From: karner@austin.ibm.com (F. Karner) +Subject: Re: Jews can't hide from keith@cco. +Originator: frank@karner.austin.ibm.com +Organization: IBM Advanced Workstation Division +Lines: 50 + + +In article <1pj2b6$aaa@fido.asd.sgi.com>, livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes: +> In article <1993Apr3.033446.10669@bmerh85.bnr.ca>, dgraham@bmers30.bnr.ca (Douglas Graham) writes: +> |> In article <1pint5$1l4@fido.asd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes: +> |> > +> |> Deletions... +> |> Er, Jon, what Ken said was: +> |> +> |> There have previously been people like you in your country. Unfortunately, +> |> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +> |> most Jews did not survive. +> |> +> |> That sure sounds to me like Ken is accusing the guy of being a Nazi. +> +> Hitler and the Nazis didn't spring fully formed from the forehead +> of Athena. They didn't invent anti-semitism. They built on a +> foundation of anti-semitism that was already present in Germany. +> This foundation of anti-semitism was laid down, not by the Nazis, +> but by the people I listed, and also by hundreds of years of unthinking, +> knee-jerk bigotry, on the part of perfectly ordinary people, and, of +> course, their pastors and priests. +> +> What we have to worry about today is not whether some Hollywood +> Hitler in a black uniform is going to come striding onto the German +> stage in one unprepared step, but whether those same bedrock foundations +> of anti-semitism are being laid down, little by little, in Germany, +> as we speak. +> +> And if so, they will be laid down, not by Hitlers and Himmlers, who +> will come later, but by ""people like"" the poster in question. The +> people who think that casual anti-semitism is acceptable, or even fun. +> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +> +Deletions... +> I did. Now may I suggest, with the greatest possible respect, that +> you go read some history? +> +> jon. + +So, you consider the german poster's remark anti-semitic? Perhaps you +imply that anyone in Germany who doesn't agree with israely policy in a +nazi? Pray tell, how does it even qualify as ""casual anti-semitism""? +If the term doesn't apply, why then bring it up? + +Your own bigotry is shining through. +-- + + DISCLAIMER: The opinions expressed in this posting are mine + solely and do not represent my employer in any way. + F. A. Karner AIX Technical Support | karner@austin.vnet.ibm.com +";9;True +"From: bone@wilbur.Stanford.EDU (Doug Bone) +Subject: Players Rushed to Majors +Article-I.D.: wilbur.24 +Lines: 34 + +snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols) writes: + +>Can anybody name a player who was 'rushed' to the majors (let's, for +>argument's sake, define ""rushed"" as brought up to the majors for more than +>a cup of coffee prior at age 22 or younger, and performing below +>expectations), whose career was damaged by this rushing? + +I tend to agree that players are not hurt by early play in the big leagues. +The BRaves organization is a fertile ground to test this hypothesis, as they +had little talent on their roster for some time. Steve Avery, for example, +was rushed to the majors, and he fared very poorly during his initial campaign. +His subsequent pitching has not been affected by his 5+ ERA during his rookie +year. Bill James pointed out that it was relatively unusual to struggle so +and then rebound. + +Bob Horner was also rushed to the majors (out of Arizona State directly) had +good numbers immediately. + +I am not certain of the ages of people like Pete Smith, Craig McMurty, and +Derek Lilliquist. The Braves pitching staffs were so bad when they came up +that they might have been rushed. Lilliquist and Smith struggled, but it +didn't hurt PS and DL may have been overhyped. I seem to recall CM pitching +well initially, though I don't have stats handy. + +Douglas Bone Internet: bone@luciano.stanford.edu +Standard disclaimers BITNET: bone%luciano.stanford.edu@stanford +apply. UUCP: ..ucbvax!luciano!sierra.stanford.edu!bone +";14;True +"From: dozonoff@bu.edu (david ozonoff) +Subject: Re: food-related seizures? +Lines: 22 +X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 + +Sharon Paulson (paulson@tab00.larc.nasa.gov) wrote: +: +{much deleted] +: +: +: The fact that this happened while eating two sugar coated cereals made +: by Kellog's makes me think she might be having an allergic reaction to +: something in the coating or the cereals. Of the four of us in our +: immediate family, Kathryn shows the least signs of the hay fever, running +: nose, itchy eyes, etc. but we have a lot of allergies in our family history +: including some weird food allergies - nuts, mushrooms. +: + +Many of these cereals are corn-based. After your post I looked in the +literature and located two articles that implicated corn (contains +tryptophan) and seizures. The idea is that corn in the diet might +potentiate an already existing or latent seizure disorder, not cause it. +Check to see if the two Kellog cereals are corn based. I'd be interested. +-- +David Ozonoff, MD, MPH |Boston University School of Public Health +dozonoff@med-itvax1.bu.edu |80 East Concord St., T3C +(617) 638-4620 |Boston, MA 02118 +";4;True +"From: jbrown@stein.u.washington.edu (Jeffery Brown) +Subject: Re: Early BBDDD Returns? +Organization: University of Washington, Seattle +Lines: 17 +NNTP-Posting-Host: stein.u.washington.edu + +In article <1993Apr16.073051.9160@news.cs.brandeis.edu> st902415@pip.cc.brandeis.edu writes: +>Just curious if anyone has started to standout early in the season in the +>BB DDD this year.... + +The tater that Jack Morris served to Griffey the Younger in his first +at-bat this year went 394 feet, if I remember right (I'll have to check +my scorecard at home). I think that's the longest so far in the Kingdome +through the first stand (five games) there. A weak showing, despite some +promising taterball candidates ... Ben McDonald, Rich DeLucia, and the +rest of the Mariner bullpen ... making appearances. + +Anyone have the tape-measure value for Omar Vizquel's grand slam in the +Skydome? +--- +Jeff Brown Big Enchilada of the Brown Bag Lunches +Astronomy Dept. jbrown@u.washington.edu +U. of Washington jbrown@phast.phys.washington.edu +";14;True +"From: akhiani@ricks.enet.dec.com (Homayoon Akhiani) +Subject: Re: Recommendations for removable storage media wanted +Lines: 25 +Nntp-Posting-Host: ricks +Reply-To: akhiani@ricks.enet.dec.com (Homayoon Akhiani) +Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation +X-Newsreader: mxrn 6.18-2 + + +In article <1993Apr14.115511.28278@kth.se> you write: +|>>After having used both Syqyest and Bernoulli's, I most enthuiastically +|>>recommend +|>>Bernoulli's. Syquests (although more popular) are much slower, prone to +|>>cartridge +|> +|>What does your friends have? Buy it. +|> +|>If you have no friends, buy a 128 MB optical and stop + +I bought a Bernoulli 90pro drive last year after comparing it with lots of + diffrent storage solutions, +OPTICAL drives are SLOW, very slow compared to 13 to 19ms access of Bernoulli. + +Since I needed additinol online storage (rather than just a backup or archiev +e disk), I choosed Bernoulli drive. I use Adobe Preimere and Quicktime movies +alot. you ran out of storage real fast. + +IMHO, the best buy currently is the Bernoulli 150Multidisk. 150MB per cartridge + +Homayoon Akhiani ""Turning Ideas into ... Reality"" +Digital Equipment Corporation ""Alpha, The New Beginning"" +77 Reed Rd. Hudson, MA 01701 ""All Rights Reserved. Copyright(c)1993"" +Email: akhiani@ricks.enet.dec.com ""The words are mine, and not my employer"" +";0;True +" zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wupost!uunet!olivea!sgigate!odin!fido!solntze.wpd.sgi.com!livesey +Subject: Re: <11705@vice.ICO.TEK.COM> <1pic4lINNrau@gap.caltech.edu> +Organization: sgi +NNTP-Posting-Host: solntze.wpd.sgi.com +Lines: 15 + +In article <1pic4lINNrau@gap.caltech.edu>, keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes: +|> bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert Beauchaine) writes: +|> +|> >My personal objection is that I find capital punishment to be +|> >cruel and unusual punishment under all circumstances. +|> +|> It can be painless, so it isn't cruel. And, it has occurred frequently +|> since the dawn of time, so it is hardly unusual. + +Koff! You mean that as long as I put you to sleep first, +I can kill you without being cruel? + +This changes everything. + +jon. +";9;True +"From: caf@omen.UUCP (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) +Subject: Re: My New Diet --> IT WORKS GREAT !!!! +Organization: Omen Technology INC, Portland Rain Forest +Lines: 33 + +In article <19687@pitt.UUCP> geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes: +> +>In article <1993Apr13.093300.29529@omen.UUCP> caf@omen.UUCP (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) writes: +>> +>>""Weight rebound"" is a term used in the medical literature on +>>obesity to denote weight regain beyond what was lost in a diet +>>cycle. There are any number of terms which mean one thing to +> +>Can you provide a reference to substantiate that gaining back +>the lost weight does not constitute ""weight rebound"" until it +>exceeds the starting weight? Or is this oral tradition that +>is shared only among you obesity researchers? + +Not one, but two: + +Obesity in Europe 88, +proceedings of the 1st European Congress on Obesity + +Annals of NY Acad. Sci. 1987 + + +>-- +>---------------------------------------------------------------------------- +>Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and +>geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" +>---------------------------------------------------------------------------- + + +-- +Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX ...!tektronix!reed!omen!caf +Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, and DSZ + Omen Technology Inc ""The High Reliability Software"" +17505-V NW Sauvie IS RD Portland OR 97231 503-621-3406 +";4;True +"From: alee@ecs.umass.edu +Subject: ***** HP calculator for $13 ***** +Lines: 13 + +Greetings! + + HP 20s forsale. + comes with case + no manuals + excellent condition + + asking for $13.00 + + If interested, please E-mail today. + + Al + +";8;True +"From: cfairman@leland.Stanford.EDU (Carolyn Jean Fairman) +Subject: Re: *** The list of Biblical contradictions +Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA +Lines: 26 + +joslin@pogo.isp.pitt.edu (David Joslin) writes: + +>Someone writes: +>>I found a list of Biblical contradictions and cleaned it up a bit, +>>but now I'd like some help with it. + +>I'm curious to know what purpose people think these lists serve. + +It's about time. Why do atheists spend so much time paying attention +to the bible, anyway? + +Face it, there are better things to do with your life! I used to +chuckle and snort over the silliness in that book and the absurdity +of people believing in it as truth, etc. Why do we spend so little +time on the Mayan religion, or the Native Americans? Heck, the Native +Americans have signifigantly more interesting myths. Also, what +about the Egyptians. + +I think we pay so much attention to Christianity because we accept +it as a _religion_ and not a mythology, which I find more accurate. + + +I try to be tolerant. It gets very hard when someone places a book +under my nose and tells me it's special. It's not. + +Carolyn +";9;True +"From: matt@centerline.com (Matt Landau) +Subject: Looking for updated XView textedit source (w/d-n-d support) +Article-I.D.: armory.1ri2o2$3hm +Organization: CenterLine Software, Inc. +Lines: 28 +NNTP-Posting-Host: 140.239.1.32 + +The XView version 3 source distribution included in the contrib section +of X11R5 included the source to the textedit program. I'd like to take +the sources and modify them to add support for a ToolTalk-like message +server, and maybe for ToolTalk while I'm at it, since the Sun-supplied +textedit binary doesn't seem to speak tooltalk. + +However, the sources in the R5 contrib area seem to be for an older +version of textedit than the version shipped with OpenWindows 3. For +example, the OWN 3.0 textedit includes drag and drop support and a +dropsite in the main control area, while the source in contrib/xview +knows nothing about drag and drop. + +The textedit.c included in the xview sources says it's version 15.50, +dated 5/22/90, while doing a 'what textedit' on the OWN 3.0 binary says: + + textedit.c 2.62 91/09/14 Copyr 1990 Sun Micro + dragdrop.c 1.26 91/09/14 Copyr 1990 Sun Micro + tooltalk.c 2.16 91/09/14 Copyr 1990 Sun Micro + ds_relname.c 1.7 91/09/14 Copyr 1990 Sun Micro + +So, does anyone know if the 9/14/91 sources to textedit are available? +I'd really like to work from the latest source if possible. + +Please reply by email, and I'll post a summary if there's enough +interest. +-- + Matt Landau Waiting for a flash of enlightenment + matt@centerline.com in all this blood and thunder +";12;True +"From: earlw@apple.com (Earl Wallace) +Subject: Re: My Gun is like my.... +Organization: . +Lines: 10 +NNTP-Posting-Host: apple.com + +In article <1993Apr16.194708.13273@vax.oxford.ac.uk> jaj@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes: + >What all you turkey pro-pistol and automatic weapons fanatics don't seem to + >realize is that the rest of us *laugh* at you. You don't make me angry, you + >just make me chuckle - I remeber being in Bellingham, Washington and seeing a + >... + +You consider laughing at others civilized behavior? What was I supposed to +learn from your article? Treat people like dogs? + +I am not impressed by your attitude. +";3;True +"From: barnett@convex.com (Paul Barnett) +Subject: Re: Top Ten Reasons Not to Aid Russians +Nntp-Posting-Host: zeppelin.convex.com +Organization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA +X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer + Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and + not necessarily those of CONVEX. +Lines: 15 + +In roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) writes: + +>Top Ten Reasons that Conservatives don't want to aid Russia: + +[ edited ] + +Now that's funny! (remembering that good humor always dances +uncomfortably close to the truth) + +I can't wait to see the inevitable flames. :-) + +-- +Paul Barnett +MPP OS Development (214)-497-4846 +Convex Computer Corp. Richardson, TX +";18;True +"From: tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) +Subject: Re: Final Solution for Gaza ? +Nntp-Posting-Host: orion.oac.uci.edu +Organization: University of California, Irvine +Lines: 66 + +In article <1483500354@igc.apc.org> Center for Policy Research writes: +> +>From: Center for Policy Research +>Subject: Final Solution for Gaza ? +> +>While Israeli Jews fete the uprising of the Warsaw ghetto, + +""fete""??? Since this word both formally and commonly refers to +positive/joyous events, your misuse of it here is rather unsettling. + +>they repress by violent means the uprising of the Gaza ghetto +>and attempt to starve the Gazans. + +I certainly abhor those Israeli policies and attitudes that are +abusive towards the Palestinians/Gazans. Given that, however, there +*is no comparison* between the reality of the Warsaw Ghetto and in +Gaza. +> +>The right of the Gazan population to resist occupation is +>recognized in international law and by any person with a sense of +>justice. + +Just as international law recognizes the right of the occupying +entity to maintain order, especially in the face of elements +that are consciously attempting to disrupt the civil structure. +Ironically, international law recognizes each of these focusses +(that of the occupied and the occupier) even though they are +inherently in conflict. +> +>As Israel denies Gazans the only two options which are compatible +>with basic human rights and international law, that of becoming +>Israeli citizens with full rights or respecting their right for +>self-determination, it must be concluded that the Israeli Jewish +>society does not consider Gazans full human beings. + +Israel certainly cannot, and should not, continue its present +policies towards Gazan residents. There is, however, a third +alternative- the creation and implementation of a jewish ""dhimmi"" +system with Gazans/Palestinians as benignly ""protected"" citizens. +Would you find THAT as acceptable in that form as you do with +regard to Islam's policies towards its minorities? + +>Whether they have some Final Solution up their sleeve ? + +It is a race, then? Between Israel's anti-Palestinian/Gazan +""Final Solution"" and the Arab World's anti-Israel/jewish +""Final Solution"". Do you favor one? neither? +> +>I urge all those who have slight human compassion to do whatever +>they can to help the Gazans regain their full human, civil and +>political rights, to which they are entitled as human beings. + +Since there is justifiable worry by various parties that Israel +and Arab/Palestinian ""final solution"" intentions exist, isn't it +important that BOTH Israeli *and* Palestinian/Gazan ""rights"" +be secured? +> +>Elias Davidsson Iceland +> + + +-- +Tim Clock Ph.D./Graduate student +UCI tel#: 714,8565361 Department of Politics and Society + fax#: 714,8568441 University of California - Irvine +Home tel#: 714,8563446 Irvine, CA 92717 +";15;True +"From: sml@rpsyc.nott.ac.uk (Steve Lang) +Subject: Re: The arrogance of Christians +Organization: Nottingham University +Lines: 60 + +In article , you wrote: + +> The genius of science is that it discovered that enormous progress +> in knowledge could be made by isolating the study of physical +> interactions for the more general areas of study and proceeding +> not by logical argument but by experiment. The scientific method +> is hypothesize, attempt to disprove the hypothesis, if you fail, +> publish, if others fail to disprove your hypothesis, accept it +> as a working theory and move on. This method is suitable only +> for the study of objects without will, objects which do not +> take an interest in the experiment. + +Science does not progress via experimentation but by philosophising. One +aim of experiments is to investigate the validity of the hyptheses +resulting from the models produced by this thinking process. + +> The arrogance of science is the assumption many advocates of +> science make that the scientific method is the only method of +> serious study, the only one leading to knowledge rather than +> belief. + +Science has one advantage of all other approaches to explaining the world. +It is objective. + +> Its further arrogance, is the assumption which arises +> that, since science is the only valid method of thought, everything +> which exists must be the sort of thing which the scientific +> method can study, and that if the scientific method cannot +> study it it either does not exist or cannot in any way be known. + +Anything which affects the physical world can be studied. For example, +since we are part of the physical world, anything (including spirits) which +affects our behaviour can be observed. Science does not make any claims +about the existence or non-existence of objects which do not affect the +physical world. + +> Since these asumptions about the nature of the world cannot +> themselves be made the subject of experiment, it is bad science +> to believe them, as well as arrogance, illogic, and just plain +> sloppy thinking. + +The purpose of science is to produce a model of the *physical* world. The +model must be able to explain all past observations and predict the outcome +of future observations. One of the aims of experiments is to carry out +well defined observations which are objective. + +Ideally scientist will except the model which best describes the world, and +the model which realises on the minimal number of assumptions. At the +moment models which do not rely on the assumption of some *spiritual* world +existing are equally powerful to ones which assume the assumption of a +*spiritual* world. As the non-spiritual models has fewer assumptions it +should be the currently accepted models. + +The scientific process never assumes that its present models are the +correct ones, whereas many religions claim to represent the truth. The +arrogance of many theists is that they claim to represent the truth, this +cannot be said of scientists. + +Steve Lang +SLANG->SLING->SLINK->SLICK->SLACK->SHACK->SHANK->THANK->THINK->THICK +";17;True +"From: CSP1DWD@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (CSP1DWD) +Subject: Duo parking HD heads when iddle +Nntp-Posting-Host: mvs.oac.ucla.edu +Lines: 8 + +The Duo Powerbooks seem to park the heads after a few seconds of +inactivity... is that builtin into the drive logic or is it being +programmed via software, any way to tune the iddle timeout that +makes the heads park themselves... I think the heads are being +parked since after a few seconds of inactivity you can hear the +clunk of heads parking. + +-- Denis +";0;True +"From: etxonss@ufsa.ericsson.se (Staffan Axelsson) +Subject: Sweden-Finland, April 15 +Nntp-Posting-Host: uipc104.ericsson.se +Organization: Ericsson Telecom, Stockholm, Sweden +Lines: 119 + + + Played in Scandinavium, Gothenburg, April 15 1993: + ================================================== + + SWEDEN - FINLAND 6-6 (1-2,3-1,2-3) + + 1st: SWE 1-0 Peter Popovic (Markus Naslund) 6:10 + FIN 1-1 Ville Siren (Keijo Sailynoja) 8:44 (pp) + FIN 1-2 Juha Riihijarvi (Timo Saarikoski,Vesa Viitakoski) 13:12 (pp) + 2nd: FIN 1-3 Jari Korpisalo (Kari Harila,Rauli Raitanen) 6:48 + SWE 2-3 Jan Larsson (Mikael Renberg,Stefan Nilsson) 7:25 + SWE 3-3 Hakan Ahlund (Thomas Rundqvist) 8:56 + SWE 4-3 Roger Akerstrom (Roger Hansson) 9:13 + 3rd: SWE 5-3 Stefan Nilsson (Patrik Juhlin,Charles Berglund) 2:20 + FIN 5-4 Keijo Sailynoja 9:23 + FIN 5-5 Keijo Sailynoja 9:44 (ps) + SWE 6-5 Mikael Renberg (Hakan Ahlund,Thomas Rundqvist) 17:16 + FIN 6-6 Jari Korpisalo 17:44 + + Shots on goal: Penalties: Attendance: Referee: + Sweden 8 10 10 - 28 5*2min 6,799 Peter Andersson + Finland 12 10 11 - 33 6*2min,1*10min (Sweden) + +------------------------------------------------------------------------------- + + Sweden opened the scoring as Markus Naslund made a drop pass at the Finnish + blue line, Popovic picked it up and advanced towards the Finnish goal and + shot a nice hard wrist shot in Ketterer's top corner. Ville Siren's slap + shot from the blue line on power play made it 1-1, and Juha Riihijarvi + scored a nice goal in another power play when he close in front of goal + put the puck high over Aslin, 1-2 after the first period. + The Finns started the second period with really good pressure. Korpisalo + made it 1-3 with another goal from close range high over Aslin. Then, + during the Finnish pressure, Sweden turned the game around in 1:47. + Mikael Renberg worked hard behind the Finnish goal, and passed the puck to + Jan Larsson in front, who backhanded the puck low, 2-3. Rundqvist entered + the Finnish zone and passed to Ahlund, and the Finnish defense let Ahlund + skate in and take a shot that Ketterer dropped into the goal, 3-3. + Next, Roger Hansson -behind the goal- sent the puck back to the blue line + where Roger Akerstrom took a slap shot and Ketterer didn't see the puck since + there was traffic in front, 4-3. + Third period started with a nice goal by Stefan ""the Shadow"" Nilsson. Stefan + and Patrik Juhlin entered the Finnish zone, Patrik passed the puck back to + Stefan who alone with Ketterer made no mistake, 5-3. + Then, Keijo Sailynoja show started. He reduce and equalized the lead in only + 21 seconds! First he scored the 5-4 goal, and after that he came in alone + with Aslin but was tripped by Aslin to get a penalty shot. Sailynoja + made a nice penalty shot, showed forehand and put in with a low backhand shot. + The Swedes seemed to head for a win when Mikael Renberg scored the 6-5 goal + late in the game on a nice power play combination. Renberg waited in the slot, + showed that he wanted the puck on the backhand side, Ahlund passed the puck + and Renberg took a turnaround shot low in Ketterer's goal's far side. + But Jari Korpisalo had other plans as he only 28 seconds later scored the + game's final goal to make it 6-6. Korpisalo took a slap shot from a narrow + angle that -maybe- Aslin should have saved. + + All in all, a decent game where the defense wasn't the best. + Both teams juggled around the lines a bit in the second and third period + to try no combinations. + + Renberg and Rundqvist plays well together in the Swedish team. Larsson- + Nilsson-Juhlin best line overall again, it seems to be a working WC line. + Stillman good on defense. + Some players aren't good enough for the WC though. Hakan Ahlund (faell ner + hjaelmen och jobba!), Roger Hansson, Challe Berglund, Kenny Jonsson + will likely have to leave for NHL pros. + + Two-goal scorers Jari Korpisalo and Keijo Sailynoja played well in the + Finnish team. Markus Ketterer didn't have a very good game, we've seen him + a lot better, so Lindfors is probably Finland's starting goalie in the WC. + I heard that Esa Tikkanen will join the Finnish team. It would be inter- + resting to know which other pros coach Matikainen counts on for the WC. + +------------------------------------------------------------------------------- + + Starting lines: + + SWEDEN FINLAND + + 35. Peter Aslin 30. Markus Ketterer + + 8. Kenneth Kennholt 2. Mikko Haapakoski + 14. Fredrik Stillman 3. Ville Siren + + 10. Hakan Ahlund 28. Jarkko Varvio + 9. Thomas Rundqvist 40. Mika Nieminen + 29. Mikael Renberg 18. Keijo Sailynoja + + 27. Roger Akerstrom 4. Erik Hamalainen + 7. Arto Blomsten 8. Kari Harila + + 20. Jan Larsson 25. Rauli Raitanen + 4. Stefan Nilsson 26. Petri Varis + 5. Patrik Juhlin 14. Jari Korpisalo + + 3. Peter Popovic 5. Timo Jutila + 32. Stefan Larsson 44. Harri Laurila + + 11. Roger Hansson 24. Juha Riihijarvi + 33. Fredrik Nilsson 22. Timo Saarikoski + 24. Peter Ottosson 11. Vesa Viitakoski + + 6. Pasi Sormunen + 12. Janne Laukkanen + + 19. Markus Naslund 29. Juha Ylonen + 21. Peter Forsberg 27. Timo Peltomaa + 18. Jonas Bergqvist 17. Marko Palo + + Played parts of the game: + 22. Charles Berglund 15. Mika Alatalo + 6. Kenny Jonsson 16. Saku Koivu + 20. Marko Palo + +------------------------------------------------------------------------------- +-- + ((\\ //| Staffan Axelsson + \\ //|| etxonss@ufsa.ericsson.se +\\_))//-|| r.s.h. contact for Swedish hockey +";13;True +"From: pkortela@snakemail.hut.fi (Petteri Kortelainen) +Subject: Re: Helsinki/Stockholm & NHL expansion? +Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland +Lines: 20 +Distribution: inet + <1993Apr15.095653.17514@abo.fi> +NNTP-Posting-Host: lk-hp-17.hut.fi +In-reply-to: MLINDROOS@FINABO.ABO.FI's message of Thu, 15 Apr 1993 09:56:53 GMT + +In article <1993Apr15.095653.17514@abo.fi> MLINDROOS@FINABO.ABO.FI (Marcus Lindroos INF) writes: + +>In franti@polaris.utu.fi writes: + + +>Not too low perhaps, but surely not as high as that of an European NHL +>division. The Finnish team, for example, would contain all players currently + on +>the national team plus a top-class foreigner or two. They would be in an +>entirely different league than TPS or Jokerit, both of whom have perhaps a +>dozen players of international class - if even that. Why settle for a minor +>league when you could have the best? + +How many players of international class an average NHL team has. 6-10? +Top players just play more in smaller rinks. Is the quality of European hockey +really poor, then recent years only few north-american (usually good farm +players) players have got place in Finnish league or Elitserien, while most +have been shipped back. + +Petteri Kortelainen +";13;True +"From: rogerw@world.std.com (Roger A Williams) +Subject: Re: Adcom cheap products? +Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA +Lines: 27 + +mdonahue@amiganet.chi.il.us (Mike Donahue) writes: + + +>I do NOT know much about Adcom Mobil Audio products, but I DO know for a fact +>that ADCOM does NOT make its own ""High End"" Home Audio Equptment and that 80%+ +>of it comes directly out of Tiawan... + +Like most high-volume manufacturers, Adcom has most of its PC boards +assembled off-shore (in their case, mostly in the far east). Final +assembly _and testing_ are done in East Brunswick. + +The products are, and have always been, designed entirely in the US; +by their own staff and by audiophile gurus like Walter Jung. Adcom +also tends to prefer American and European components over their +Japanese/Far East equivalents. + +Off-shore assembly is one reason that Adcom is able to make products +that perform as well as those from people like Audio Research and Van +Alstine (and better than Hafler and Forte'), but at a much lower cost. + +Of course, if your musical diet consists mostly of Rock, you might +prefer components from Kenwood or Pioneer... + +Roger Williams | ""Most great discoveries are made +rogerw@world.std.com | by accident: the larger the +consulting engineer | funding, the longer it takes to +Middleborough, Mass. | have that accident."" +";11;True +"From: davidk@netcom.com (David Kiviat) +Subject: 88 Toyota Camry super deluxe $9.9k +Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6] +Lines: 15 + +88 toyota Camry - Top Of The Line Vehicle +blue book $10,500 +asking 9,900. + +73 k miles +auto transmission + +Has Everything! + +owned by a meticulous automoble mechanic + +call (408) 425-8203 ask for Bob. + +posted for a friend. + +";8;True +"From: Mark A. Cartwright +Subject: Re: TIFF: philosophical significance of 42 (SILLY) +Organization: University of Texas @ Austin, Comp. Center +Lines: 21 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: aliester.cc.utexas.edu +X-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1 + +Well, + +42 is 101010 binary, and who would forget that its the +answer to the Question of ""Life, the Universe, and Everything else."" +That is to quote Douglas Adams in a round about way. + +Of course the Question has not yet been discovered... + +-- +Mark A. Cartwright, N5SNP +University of Texas @ Austin +Computation Center, Graphics Facility +markc@emx.utexas.edu +markc@sirius.cc.utexas.edu +markc@hermes.chpc.utexas.edu +(512)-471-3241 x 362 + +PP-ASEL 9-92 + +a.) ""Often in error, never in doubt."" +b.) ""This situation has no gravity, I would like a refund please."" +";1;True +"From: webb@itu1 (90-29265 Webber AH) +Subject: Re: Adcom cheap products? +Organization: Rhodes University, Grahamstown, South Africa +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] +Lines: 52 + +Aaron Lung (alung@megatest.com) wrote: +: >I was also sceptical about the amps being built in the far-east +: > or where-ever. But if you look in the amp and see what components +: > they use and how it was designed, you can easily see why the +: > amplifiers sound so brilliant. + +: Good point...also, I wouldn't be surprised that the components +: they use off-shore are of inferior quality. As long as it was +: properly designed and robust, premium components are used, it +: shouldn't matter where it is assembled. + +Definately, I agree wholeheartedly. If they can build the amp where + the labour is not so expensive, they can afford to put decent + components in and go to more effort to improve the design of the + amplifier - as Adcom has done. + +: >I cannot see why people say the amplifier won't last - not with +: > those quality components inside. Sure the amp runs very fairly +: > hot - but that's how you get an amp to sound incredibly good. + +: An amp that runs hot has no bearing on how it's gonna sound. +: The amp you have probably is running Class-A the whole day. + +: Actually, I'd be wary of excessively hot amps, 'cauz even though +: the components inside may be rated to run that way, excessive +: heat will dramatically shorten the life of *any* electronic component +: regardless of quality. In fact, an amp that does run hot to the touch is +: because either the engineer or manufacturer of that amp wanted +: to skimp on heatsinking or cooling to save costs! Hmmmmm.... + +Sure, I didn't mean to imply that because of the heat generated, the + amp sounds good. My Adcom GFP 535II runs fairly warm - not hot to + the touch - but enough to satisfy me that the amp is running nicely. +I don't like it when an amp runs dead-cold. It makes one think that + the amp is doing nothing :) +The heatsinks that Adcom uses in their amps are certainly far for + skimpy - they're massive things with heating vents both below + and above. More than enough to carry away excessive heat. + +My opinions once again. + +-- +*********************************************************************** +** Alan Webber ** +** webb@itu1.sun.ac.za ** +** webb@itu2.sun.ac.za ** +** ** +** The path you tread is narrow and the drop is sheer and very high ** +** The ravens all are watching from a vantage point near by ** +** Apprehension creeping like a choo-train up your spine ** +** Will the tightrope reach the end; will the final couplet rhyme ** +*********************************************************************** +";11;True +"From: al885@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gerard Pinzone) +Subject: CD SPEEDWAY - any good? +Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) +Lines: 12 +Reply-To: al885@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gerard Pinzone) +NNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu + + +Anybody use CD Speedway out there? Is it as good as they say? I hate +waiting around for my CD to finish loading the next level in WC and the +such. + +How much memory does it eat up? + +-- + _______ ________ ________ ""Small nose, loose girls, no nipples, (.|.) + / ___/ / _____/ / __ / Iczer curls!"" -=- Gerard Pinzone ).( + / ___/ / /____ / __ / gpinzone@tasha.poly.edu ( v ) +/______/ /_______/ /__/ /__/ Join the ECA Wehrmacht! Kill CM! \|/ +";5;True +"From: swyatt@bach.udel.edu (Stephen L Wyatt) +Subject: Re: WinBench +Nntp-Posting-Host: bach.udel.edu +Organization: University of Delaware +Lines: 12 + +Ok, so if everyone is cheating.. is there any tests that run some +macro (to load a huge drawing, etc...) on the SAME machine that might +then tell us what the REAL world results are? + +I mean, run the tests on the same machine with different video cards +running word, excel, or something like that to see how fast the cards are? + +-- +---------------------------------------------------------------------------- +swyatt@brahms.udel.edu !!! no disclaimer...I blame everything on someone else +---------------------------------------------------------------------------- + +";6;True +"From: Robert Angelo Pleshar +Subject: Re: How to beat Pittsburgh! +Organization: University Libraries - E&S Library, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA +Lines: 19 + +NNTP-Posting-Host: po5.andrew.cmu.edu +In-Reply-To: + +from Anna Matyas: +>>Now if we could just clone Chelios's personality and transplant it +>>into all of the defensemen on the Islanders, Capitals, and Devils... +>> +>>Gerald +> +>In other words, you want to turn them all into assholes so they +>will spend lots of time in the penalty box and get lots of +>misconducts? +> +>And this comes from a Chelios fan... + +Yeah, and also be second in the team in scoring and play about 35 +minutes a game and play on the power play and kill penalties and be the +best defenseman in the league. I'd take a whole team of Chelioses if I +could. (That way, when one got a penalty the others could kill it!) + +Ralph + +";13;True +"From: REXLEX@fnal.fnal.gov +Subject: Re: Certainty and Arrogance +Organization: FNAL/AD/Net +Lines: 70 + +In article +kilroy@gboro.rowan.edu (Dr Nancy's Sweetie) writes: +> +>There is no way out of the loop. + +Oh contrer mon captitan! There is a way. Certainly it is not by human reason. + Certainly it is not by human experience. (and yet it is both!) To paraphrase +Sartre, the particular is absurd unless it has an infinite reference point. It +is only because of God's own revelation that we can be absolute about a thing. +Your logic comes to fruition in relativism. +> +>""At the core of all well-founded belief, lies belief that is unfounded."" +> -- Ludwig Wittgenstein + +Ah, now it is clear. Ludwig was a desciple of Russell. Ludwig's fame is often +explained by the fact that he spawned not one but two significant movements in +contemporary philosophy. Both revolve around Tractatus Logico-Philosphicus +('21) and Philosophical Investigation ('53). Many of Witt's comments and +implicit conclusions suggest ways of going beyond the explicit critique of +language he offers. According to some of the implicit suggestions of Witt's +thought, ordinary language is an invaluable resource, offering a necessary +framework for the conduct of daily life. However, though its formal features +remain the same, its content does not and it is always capable of being +transcended as our experience changes and our understanding is deepened, giving +us a clearer picture of what we are and what we wish to say. On Witt's own +account, there is a dynamic fluidity of language. It is for this reason that +any critique of language must move from talking about the limits of language to +talking about its boundaries, where a boundary is understood not as a wall but +a threshold. + vonWrights's comment that Witt's ""sentences have a content that often lies +deep beneath the surface of language."" On the surface, Witt talks of the +insuperable position of ordinary language and the necessity of bringing +ourselves to accept it without question. At the same time, we are faced with +Witt's own creative uses of language and his concern for bringing about changes +in our traditional modes of understanding. Philosophy, then, through more +perspicacious speech, seeks to effect this unity rather than assuming that it +is already functioning. Yes? The most brilliant of scientists are unable to +offer a foundation for human speech so long as they reject Christianity! In his +Tractatus we have the well nigh perfect exhibition of the nature of the impasse +of the scientific ideal of exhaustive logical analysis of Reality by man. +Perfect language does not exist for fallen man, therefore we must get on about +our buisness of relating Truth via ordinary language. + + This is why John's Gospel is so dear to most Christians. It is so simple in +it conveyance of the revealation of God, yet so full of unlieing depth of +understanding. He viewed Christ from the OT concept of ""as a man thinketh, so +he is."" John looked at the outward as only an indicator of what was inside, +that is the consciousness of Christ. And so must we. Words are only vehicals +of truth. He is truth. The scriptures are plain in their expounding that +there is a Truth and that it is knowable. THere are absolutes, and they too +are knowable. However, they are only knowable when He reveals them to the +individual. There is, and we shouldn't shy from this, a mysticism to +Christianity. Paul in ROm 8 says there are 3 men in the world. There is the +one who does not have the Spirit and therefore can not know the things of the +Spirit (the Spirit of Truth) and there is the one who has the Spirit and has +the capacity to know of the Truth, but there is the third. THe one who not +only has the Spirit, but that the Spirit has him! Who can know the deep things +of God and reveal them to us other than the Spirit. And it is only the deep +things of GOd that are absolute and true. + There is such a thing as true truth and it is real, it can be experienced +and it is verifiable. I disagree with Dr Nancy's Sweetie's conclusion because +if it is taken to fruition it leads to relativism which leads to dispair. + +""I would know the words which He would answer me, and understand what He would +say unto me."" Job 23ff + +--Rex + +suggested, easy reading about epistimology: ""He is there and He is not Silent"" + by Francis Schaeffer. +";17;True +"From: rar@schooner.otra.COM (Rich Rollman) +Subject: File Formats +Organization: The Internet +Lines: 15 +To: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu + +Hi folks, + +Can anyone give me some information, the location of some +information, or some reference material for the following +file formats: WIFF, MO;DCA/IOCA, PCX. + +If this is not quite the appropriate place to ask such +questions, please let me know a more appropriate one and +accept my apologies in advance. + +Thanks for your help, + +Rich Rollman +Dogleg Systems, Inc. +(908) 389-9597 +";12;True +"From: lerxst@wam.umd.edu (where's my thing) +Subject: WHAT car is this!? +Nntp-Posting-Host: rac3.wam.umd.edu +Organization: University of Maryland, College Park +Lines: 15 + + I was wondering if anyone out there could enlighten me on this car I saw +the other day. It was a 2-door sports car, looked to be from the late 60s/ +early 70s. It was called a Bricklin. The doors were really small. In addition, +the front bumper was separate from the rest of the body. This is +all I know. If anyone can tellme a model name, engine specs, years +of production, where this car is made, history, or whatever info you +have on this funky looking car, please e-mail. + +Thanks, +- IL + ---- brought to you by your neighborhood Lerxst ---- + + + + +";10;True +"From: rcomg@melomys.co.rmit.oz.AU (Mark Gregory) +Subject: AVI file format? +Summary: AVI file format? +Keywords: AVI file format? +Organization: Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology +Lines: 18 +NNTP-Posting-Host: melomys.cse.rmit.edu.au + + +Hi, + would someone please email the new AVI file + format. I'm sure that many people would +like to know what it is exactly. + +Thank you + + +Mark Gregory Lecturer m.gregory@rmit.edu.au PH(03)6603243 FAX(03)6621060 +Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology, +Department of Communication and Electronic Engineering, +P.O. Box 2476V, Melbourne, Victoria, 3001. AUSTRALIA. +-- +Mark Gregory Lecturer m.gregory@rmit.edu.au PH(03)6603243 FAX(03)6621060 +Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology, +Department of Communication and Electronic Engineering, +P.O. Box 2476V, Melbourne, Victoria, 3001. AUSTRALIA. +";1;True +"From: asper@calvin.uucp (Alan E. Asper) +Subject: Re: V-max handling request +Organization: /usr/lib/news/organization +Lines: 12 +NNTP-Posting-Host: calvin.sbc.com + +In article <1993Apr15.222224.1@ntuvax.ntu.ac.sg> ba7116326@ntuvax.ntu.ac.sg writes: +>hello there +>ican anyone who has handson experience on riding the Yamaha v-max, pls kindly +>comment on its handling . + +I've ridden one twice. It was designed to be a monster in a straight line, +which it is. It has nothing on an FZR400 in the corners. In fact, it just +didn't handle that well at all in curves. But hey, that's not what it +was designed to do. +My two cents, +Alan + +";7;True +"From: rsteele@adam.ll.mit.edu (Rob Steele) +Subject: Re: When are two people married in God's eyes? +Reply-To: rob@ll.mit.edu +Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory +Lines: 15 + +I think it was Lewis who said that in a wedding, it's the principals +that marry each other; the church and the state are present merely as +witnesses. + +------------------------------------------------------------ +Rob Steele In coming to understand anything +MIT Lincoln Laboratory we are rejecting the facts as they +244 Wood St., M-203 are for us in favour of the facts +Lexington, MA 02173 as they are. +617/981-2575 C.S. Lewis + +[This is not just Lewis -- it's a summary of standard Catholic +theology. However this doesn't mean that the presence of those +witnesses is optional, except in odd situations like the standard +desert island. --clh] +";17;True +"From: rocker@acm.rpi.edu (rocker) +Subject: Re: ABORTION and private health coverage -- letters regarding +Nntp-Posting-Host: hermes.acm.rpi.edu +Reply-To: rocker@hermes.acm.rpi.edu + Followup-To: +Lines: 13 + +In <1qk73q$3fj@agate.berkeley.edu> dzkriz@ocf.berkeley.edu (Dennis Kriz) writes: + +>If one is paying for a PRIVATE health insurance plan and DOES NOT WANT +>""abortion coverage"" there is NO reason for that person to be COMPLELLED +>to pay for it. (Just as one should not be compelled to pay for lipposuction +>coverage if ONE doesn't WANT that kind of coverage). + +You appear to be stunningly ignorant of the underlying concept of health +insurance. + +>dzkriz@ocf.berkeley.edu + + -rocker +";19;True +"From: steph@pegasus.cs.uiuc.edu (Dale Stephenson) +Subject: Re: PHILS, NL EAST NOT SO WEAK +Organization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL +Lines: 10 + +In <1993Apr15.214133.3371@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu> apanjabi@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu writes: +[...] + +>BRAVES HIT LIKE A AAA CLUB +Shouldn't this read ""Braves Hitters are at the AAA Club?"" +-- +Dale J. Stephenson |*| (steph@cs.uiuc.edu) |*| Baseball fanatic + + ""It is considered good to look wise, especially when not + overburdened with information"" -- J. Golden Kimball +";14;True +"From: txd@ESD.3Com.COM (Tom Dietrich) +Subject: Re: Shaft-drives and Wheelies +Distribution: rec +Lines: 18 +Nntp-Posting-Host: able.mkt.3com.com + +xlyx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes: + +>Is it possible to do a ""wheelie"" on a motorcycle with shaft-drive? + +No, it's not possible to countersteer either. + +(for the humor impared :{P PPhhhhhtttttt!) + +********************************************************************* +'86 Concours.....Sophisticated Lady Tom Dietrich +'72 1000cc Sportster.....'Ol Sport-For sale DoD # 055 +'79 SR500.....Spike, the Garage Rat AMA #524245 +Queued for an M900!! FSSNOC #1843 +Two Jousts and a Gather, *BIG fun!* 1KSPT=17.28% +Ma Bell (408) 764-5874 Cool as a rule, but sometimes... +e-mail txd@Able.MKT.3Com.COM (H. Lewis) +Disclaimer: 3Com takes no responsibility for opinions preceding this. +********************************************************************* +";7;True +"From: Center for Policy Research +Subject: Symbiotics: Zionism-Antisemitism +Nf-ID: #N:cdp:1483500355:000:10647 +Nf-From: cdp.UUCP!cpr Apr 23 15:14:00 1993 +Lines: 197 + + +From: Center for Policy Research +Subject: Symbiotics: Zionism-Antisemitism + + +Zionism and the Holocaust +-------------------------- by Haim Bresheeth + +The first point to note regarding the appropriation of the history +of the Holocaust by Zionist propaganda is that Zionism without +anti-semitism is impossible. Zionism agrees with the basic tenet +of anti-Semitism, namely that Jews cannot live with non- Jews. + +The history and roots of the Holocaust go back a long way. While +the industru of death and destruction did not operate before 1942, +its roots were firmly placed in the 19th Century. Jewish +aspirations for emancipation emerged out of the national struggles +in Europe. When the hopes for liberation through +bourgeois-democratic change were dashed, other alternatives for +improving the lot of the Jews of Europe achieved prominence. + +The socialist Bund, a mass movement with enormous following, had +to contend with opposition from a new and small, almost +insignificant opponent, the political Zionists. In outline these +two offered diametrically opposed options for Jews in Europe. +While the Bund was suggesting joining forces with the rest of +Europe's workers, the Zionists were proposing a new programme +aimed at ridding Europe of its Jews by setting up some form of a +Jewish state. + +Historically, nothing is inevitable, all depends on the balance of +forces involved in the struggle. History can be seen as an option +tree: every time a certain option is chosen, other routes become +barred. Because of that choice, movement backwards to the point +before that choice was made is impossible. While Zionism as an +option was taken by many young Jews, it remained a minority +position until the first days of the 3rd Reich. The Zionist +Federation of Germany (ZVfD), an organisation representing a tiny +minority of German Jews, was selected by the Nazis as the body to +represent the Jews of the Reich. Its was the only flag of an +interantional organisation allowed to fly in Berlin, and this was +the only international organisation allowed to operate during this +period. From a marginal position, the leaders of the Zionist +Federation were propelled to a prominence and centrality that +surprised even them. All of a sudden they attained political +power, power based not on representation, but from being selected +as the choice of the Nazi regime for dealing with the the 'Jewish +problem'. Their position in negotiating with the Nazis agreements +that affected the lives of many tens of thousands of the Jews in +Germany transformed them from a utopian, marginal organisation in +Germany (and some other countries in Europe) into a real option to +be considered by German Jews. + +The best example of this was the 'Transfer Agreement' of 1934. +Immediately after the Nazi takeover in 1933, Jews all over the +world supported or were organising a world wide boycott of German +goods. This campaign hurt the Nazi regime and the German +authorities searched frantically for a way disabling the boycott. +It was clear that if Jews and Jewish organisations were to pull +out, the campaign would collapse. + +This problem was solved by the ZVfD. A letter sent to the Nazi +party as early as 21. June 1933, outlined the degree of agreement +that existed between the two organisations on the question of +race, nation, and the nature of the 'Jewish problem', and it +offered to collaborate with the new regime: + +""The realisation of Zionism could only be hurt by resentment of +Jews abroad against the German development. Boycott propaganda - +such as is currently being carried out against Germany in many +ways - is in essence unZionist, because Zionism wants not to do +battle but to convince and build."" + +In their eagerness to gain credence and the backing of the new +regime, the Zionist organisation managed to undermine the boycott. +The main public act was the signature of the ""Transfer Agreement"" +with the Nazi authorities during the Zionist Congress of 1934. In +essence, the agreement was designed to get Germany's Jews out of +the country and into Mandate Palestine. It provided a possibility +for Jews to take a sizeable part of their property out of the +country, through a transfer of German goods to Palestine. This +right was denied to Jews leaving to any other destination. The +Zionist organisation was the acting agent, through its financial +organisations. This agreement operated on a number of fronts - +'helping' Jews to leave the country, breaking the ring of the +boycott, exporting German goods in large quantities to Palestine, +and last but not least, enabling the regime to be seen as humane +and reasonable even towards its avowed enemies, the Jews. After +all, they argued, the Jews do not belong in Europe and now the +Jews come and agree with them. + +After news of the agreement broke, the boycott was doomed. If the +Zionist Organization found it possible and necessary to deal with +the Nazis, and import their goods, who could argue for a boycott ? +This was not the first time that the interests of both movements +were presented to the German public as complementary. Baron Von +Mildenstein, the first head of the Jewish Department of the SS, +later followed by Eichmann, was invited to travel to Palestine. +This he did in early 1933, in the company of a Zionist leader, +Kurt Tuchler. Having spent six months in Palestine, he wrote a +series of favourable articles in Der STURMER describing the 'new +Jew' of Zionism, a Jew Nazis could accept and understand. + +This little-known episode established quite clearly the +relationship during the early days of Nazism, between the new +regime and the ZVfD, a relationship that was echoed later in a +number of key instances, even after the nature of the Final +Solution became clear. In many cases this meant a silencing of +reports about the horrors of the exterminations. A book +concentrating on this aspect of the Zionist reaction to the +Holocaust is Post-Ugandan Zionism in the Crucible of the +Holocaust, by S. B. Beth-Zvi. + +In the case of the Kastner episode, around which Jim Allen's play +PERDITION is based, even the normal excuse of lack of knowledge of +the real nature of events does not exist. It occured near the end +of the war. The USSR had advanced almost up to Germany. Italy and +the African bases had been lost. The Nazis were on the run, with a +number of key countries, such as Rumania, leaving the Axis. A +second front was a matter of months away, as the western Allies +prepared their forces. In the midst of all this we find Eichmann, +the master bureaucrat of industrial murder, setting up his HZ in +occupied Budapest, after the German takeover of the country in +April 1944. His first act was to have a conference with the Jewish +leadership, and to appoint Zionist Federation members, headed by +Kastner as the agent and clearing house for all Jews and their +relationship with the SS and the Nazr authorities. Why they did +this is not difficult to see. As opposed to Poland, where its +three and a half million Jews lived in ghettoes and were visibly +different from the rest of the Polish population, the Hungarian +Jews were an integrated part of the community. The middle class +was mainly Jewish, the Jews were mainly middle-class. They enjoyed +freedom of travel, served in the Hungarian (fascist) army in +fronline units, as officers and soldiers, their names were +Hungarian - how was Eichmann to find them if they were to be +exterminated ? The task was not easy, there were a million Jews in +Hungary, most of them resident, the rest being refugees from other +countries. Many had heard about the fate of Jews elsewhere, and +were unlikely to believe any statements by Nazi officials. + +Like elsewhere, the only people who had the information and the +ear of the frightened Jewish population were the Judenrat. In this +case the Judenrat comprsied mainly the Zionist Federation members. +Without their help the SS, with 19 officers and less than 90 men, +plus a few hundred Hungarian police, could not have collected and +controlled a million Jews, when they did not even know their +whereabouts. Kastner and the others were left under no illusions. +Eichmann told Joel Brand, one of the members of Kastner's +committee, that he intended to send all Hungary's Jews to +Auschwitz, before he even started the expulsions! He told them +clearly that all these Jews will die, 12,000 a day, unless certain +conditions were met. + +The Committee faced a simple choice - to tell the Jews of Hungary +about their fate, (with neutral Rumania, where many could escape, +being in most cases a few hours away) or to collaborate with the +Nazis by assisting in the concentration process. What would not +have been believed when coming from the SS, sounded quite +plausible when coming from the mouths of the Zionist leadership. +Thus it is, that most of the Hungarian Jews went quietly to their +death, assured by their leadership that they were to be sent to +work camps. + +To be sure, there are thirty pieces of silver in this narrative of +destruction: the trains of 'prominents' which Eichmann promised to +Kastner - a promise he kept to the last detail. For Eichmann it +was a bargain: allowing 1,680 Jews to survive, as the price paid +for the silent collaboration over the death of almost a million +Jews. + +There was no way in which the Jews of Hungary could even be +located, not to say murdered, without the full collaboration of +Kastner and his few friends. No doubt the SS would hunt a few Jews +here and there, but the scale of the operation would have been +miniscule compared to the half million who died in Auschwitz. + +It is important to realise that Kastner was not an aberration, +like say Rumkovsky in Lodz. Kastner acted as a result of his +strongly held Zionist convictions. His actions were a logical +outcome of earlier positions. This is instanced when he exposed to +the Gestapo the existence of a British cell of saboteurs, Palgi +and Senesh, and persuaded them to give themselves up, so as not to +disrupt his operations. At no point during his trial or elsewhere, +did Kastner deny that he knew exactly what was to happen to those +Jews. + +To conclude, the role played by Zionists in this period, was +connected to another role they could, and should have played, that +of alarming the whole world to what was happening in Europe. They +had the information, but politically it was contrary to their +priorities. The priorities were, and still are, quite simple: All +that furthers the Zionist enterprise in Palestine is followed, +whatever the price. The lives of individuals, Jews and non-Jews, +are secondary. If this process requires dealing with fascists, +Nazis and other assorted dictatorial regimes across the world, so +be it. + +";15;True +"From: astein@nysernet.org (Alan Stein) +Subject: Re: Israel's Expansion II +Organization: NYSERNet, Inc. +Lines: 16 + +ab4z@Virginia.EDU (""Andi Beyer"") writes: + +>I understand how israel captured the teritory and feels that it +>is its right to annex it. I can't fully understand why it has +>to deal with palestinians much the same way jews were treated +>before the holocaust (the Final Solution) by Hitler. What I +>totally don't get is why the U.S. has to subsidize the +>existance of such a thorough abuser of human rights. +> Just wondering + +Seems that you're more ""just misinformed"" than ""just wondering."" + +The comparison you're making is not just totally off base, but +offensive to all sane people. +-- +Alan H. Stein astein@israel.nysernet.org +";15;True +"From: gyu@bbn.com (George Yu) +Subject: Re: The Kuebelwagen??!! +Lines: 43 +NNTP-Posting-Host: bbn.com + +thwang@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Tommy Hwang) writes: + +> Sorry for the mis-spelling, but I forgot how to spell it after +>my series of exams and NO-on hand reference here. + +> Is it still possible to get those cute WWII VW Jeep-wanna-be's? +>A replica would be great I think. + +> -TKH '93 + +According to _The Complete Guide To Specialty Cars_, 7th Edition, from +Crown Publishing, it's the VW Kubelwagen (w/ 2 dots over the 'u'). +The company is: + + Wolfkam + P.O. Box 1608, Vika + 0119 Oslo 1, Norway + + 011-47-30-26601 voice line + 011-47-2-166138 FAX line + + +An excerpt from the blurb: + + ...This fine Kubel clone from Wolfkam is a very close copy of + the original, and offers the same all-weather and cross-country + capabilities as its WWII forebears. The robust fiberglass body + kit is very complete, and includes all the hardware you will + need, except for your own VW donor car. The phone number [...] + is the entire AT&T dialing sequence; call and ask for Karl + Torum, or send $5 cash or _International Money Order_ + for a complete literature package. + + +George. + +P.S., I'd be happy to share what info I have on other kit cars and + kit car manufacturers. + +P.P.S., I'm looking for a used or partially completed Porsche 356 + Speedster Convertible D replica from Intermeccanica. I'd + appreciate any leads or advice/stories from any owners + out there. +";10;True +"From: arana@labein.ES (Jose Luis Arana) +Subject: X Graphics Accelerators +Organization: The Internet +Lines: 7 +To: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu + +How can I obtain public information (documentation and sources) +about Xservers implemented with graphics processors? + +I am specially interested in Xservers developed for the TMS34020 +Texas Instruments graphic processor. + + Please send answer to arana@labein.es +";12;True +"From: wilie.wilson@analog.com ( willie wilson ) +Subject: Experiences of DESQview/X? +Reply-To: willie.wilson@analog.com +Organization: Analog Devices B.V., Limerick, IRELAND +Lines: 19 + +I need to have PCs and SPARCstations run the same application ( namely +MicroSoft Project ). The original system ran on the PC. Now it needs to +be expanded to allow UNIX users to work with the application. The +current proposal is to use DESQview/X as a display server for the +application. + +I would like to know your experiences with using DESQview/X to run an +application on a PC and displaying on a SPARCstation. I've heard that +the network traffic is slow. + +Replies only by e-mail please. + +Thanks, in advance. +--- + ,__o + _-\_<, +...Willie (*)/'(*) +willie.wilson@analog.com + +";12;True +"From: mathew +Subject: Re: KORESH IS GOD! +Organization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK. +X-Newsreader: rusnews v1.01 +Lines: 5 + +The latest news seems to be that Koresh will give himself up once he's +finished writing a sequel to the Bible. + + +mathew +";9;True +"From: bowmanj@csn.org (Jerry Bowman) +Subject: Re: Women's Jackets? (was Ed must be a Daemon Child!!) +Nntp-Posting-Host: fred.colorado.edu +Organization: University of Colorado Boulder, OCS +Distribution: usa +Lines: 48 + +In article bethd@netcom.com (Beth Dixon) writes: +>In article <1993Apr14.141637.20071@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jhensley@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Hensley) writes: +>>Beth Dixon (bethd@netcom.com) wrote: +>>: new Duc 750SS doesn't, so I'll have to go back to carrying my lipstick +>>: in my jacket pocket. Life is _so_ hard. :-) +>> +>>My wife is looking for a jacket, and most of the men's styles she's tried +>>don't fit too well. If they fit the shoulders and arms, they're too +>>tight across the chest, or something like that. Anyone have any +>>suggestions? I'm assuming that the V-Pilot, in addition to its handy +>>storage facilities, is a pretty decent fit. Is there any company that +>>makes a reasonable line of women's motorcycling stuff? More importantly, +>>does anyone in Boulder or Denver know of a shop that bothers carrying any? +> +>I was very lucky I found a jacket I liked that actually _fits_. +>HG makes the v-pilot jackets, mine is a very similar style made +>by Just Leather in San Jose. I bought one of the last two they +>ever made. +> +>Finding decent womens motorcycling gear is not easy. There is a lot +>of stuff out there that's fringed everywhere, made of fashion leather, +>made to fit men, etc. I don't know of a shop in your area. There +>are some women rider friendly places in the San Francisco/San Jose +>area, but I don't recommend buying clothing mail order. Too hard +>to tell if it'll fit. Bates custom makes leathers. You might want +>to call them (they're in L.A.) and get a cost estimate for the type +>of jacket your wife is interested in. Large manufacturers like +>BMW and H.G. sell women's lines of clothing of decent quality, but +>fit is iffy. +> +>A while ago, Noemi and Lisa Sieverts were talking about starting +>a business doing just this sort of thing. Don't know what they +>finally decided. +> +>Beth + Seems to me that Johns H.D. in Ft Collins used to carry some + honest to god womens garb.> +>================================================================= +>Beth [The One True Beth] Dixon bethd@netcom.com +>1981 Yamaha SR250 ""Excitable Girl"" DoD #0384 +>1979 Yamaha SR500 ""Spike the Garage Rat"" FSSNOC #1843 +>1992 Ducati 750SS AMA #631903 +>1963 Ducati 250 Monza -- restoration project 1KQSPT = 1.8 +>""I can keep a handle on anything just this side of deranged."" +> -- ZZ Top +>================================================================= + + +";7;True +"From: axa12@po.CWRU.Edu (Ashok Aiyar) +Subject: Re: Beta testers required for winsock version of Windows Trumpet +Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) +Lines: 19 +Reply-To: axa12@po.CWRU.Edu (Ashok Aiyar) +NNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu + + +In a previous article, peter@psychnet.psychol.utas.edu.au (Peter R. Tattam) says: + +>Contact me for details. +> +> peter@psychnet.psychol.utas.edu.au +> +>Peter + +This is posted on behalf of Peter Tattam. There is a North American +mirror with the beta test version of WinTrumpet for Winsock. Please +contact me or Peter for details. + +Ashok +-- + Ashok Aiyar Department of Biochemistry, CWRU axa12@po.cwru.edu +For Internet Access (Telnet/FTP) in Cleveland, contact info@wariat.org + Telnet to wariat.wariat.org and login as bbs + Dial (216) 481-9425/9445 (V.32bis) or (216) 481-9436 (2400 bps) +";6;True +"From: ven@bohr.physics.purdue.edu (Van E. Neie) +Subject: Re: Sunrise/ sunset times +Organization: Purdue University Physics Department +Lines: 29 + +In article <1993Apr22.180630.18313@titan.tsd.arlut.utexas.edu> pearson@tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (N. Shirlene Pearson) writes: +>jpw@cbis.ece.drexel.edu (Joseph Wetstein) writes: +> +> +>>Hello. I am looking for a program (or algorithm) that can be used +>>to compute sunrise and sunset times. +> +>Would you mind posting the responses you get? +>I am also interested, and there may be others. +> +>Thanks, +> +>N. Shirlene Pearson +>pearson@titan.tsd.arlut.utexas.edu + +There is an excellent software program called Astro.calc that does that and +much more. The latest address I have is + + MMI Corporation + PO Box 19907 + Baltimore, MD 21211 + Phone (301) 366-1222 + + +-- +------------------------------------------------------------------------------- +Van E. Neie ven@maxwell.physics.purdue.edu +Purdue University neie@purccvm.bitnet +------------------------------------------------------------------------------- +";2;True +"From: jblanken@ccat.sas.upenn.edu (James R. Blankenship) +Subject: Re: When are two people married in God's e +Organization: School of Arts and Sciences, UPENN +Lines: 13 + +The only reason for the death penalty is revenge?? If you are going to +try to refute a position, try to refute the whole position or acknosledge +that you are only speaking to small piece of the problem. Broad sweeping +""the only reason, "" etc on as tough nut to crack as the death penalty +reallly doesn't help much. + +Every year the FBI releases crime stats showing an overwhelming amount of +crime is committed by repeat offenders. People are killed by folks who +have killed (who knows how many times) before. How aobut folks who are for +the death penalty, not for revenge, but to cut down on recidivism? + + +Jim +";17;True +"From: kevin@axon.cs.byu.edu (Kevin Vanhorn) +Subject: American Horror File -- call for help +Organization: /usr/users/kevin/.organization +Lines: 30 +Distribution: usa +NNTP-Posting-Host: axon.cs.byu.edu + + +Today's atrocity in Waco has finally impelled me to start working on +something I've been thinking about for some time. Over the last few +years I have heard of one case after another of government running +completely amok. Unfortunately, most people are oblivious of the +government's crimes and still think of it as their protector. So I +intend to put together what I call the ""American Horror File"": a +compilation of cases where the American government has run roughshod +over the rights of its citizens over the last few years, focusing +especially on deaths and injuries resulting from no-knock warrants, +and financial ruin to innocents resulting from civil forfeiture laws, +but including any other cases for which I can find decent +documentation. I hope to make people blood-boiling, artery-bursting, +red-hot enraged at their government. + +The end result will probably be a book in electronic form (ASCII text +and postscript files) detailing the government's crimes of recent +years. This book will be distributed at cost, and I will encourage +people to post copies to BBS's, send copies on disk to friends, and +print out copies and give them to neighbors. + +This is a call for your help. Any information that you can send me on +how government is running amok will be greatly appreciated. I would prefer +information that is well-documented, with sources given, about specific +instances of governmental abuses. I also welcome anyone who wants to +join me in collecting and researching information for this project. + +----------------------------------------------------------------------------- +Kevin S. Van Horn | Is your religion BATF-approved? +vanhorn@bert.cs.byu.edu | +";3;True +"From: rich@delphi.bsd.uchicago.edu (Rich Long) +Subject: Icom 02AT for sale +Reply-To: rich@delphi.bsd.uchicago.edu +Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations +Lines: 35 + + +I am looking to sell my ICOM IC-02AT and extras. I have the +following: +CM-12 Battery +HS-10 Headset +HS-10SA VOX unit +Cigarette Adapter +Leather Case +BC-25V Wall Charger +IC-BP3 Battery Also have one that needs a new cell (i think, +its been a while) + +It is in good condition, has a scratch on the front that is not +visible when in the leather case. + +If you are interested, make me an offer. + +--rich + + +-- NewsGrazer, a NeXTstep(tm) news reader, posting -- +M>UQR=&8P7&%N#(Q,S5<='@R-C8X7'1X,S(P,EQT>#,W,S9<='@T,C#4S +M,S=<9C!<8C!<:3!<=6QN;VYE7&9S,C1<9F,P7&-F,""!<""DD@86T@;&]O:VEN +M9R!T;R!S96QL(&UY($E#3TT@24,M,#)!5""!A;F0@97AT0D) +M06QS;R!H879E(&]N92!T:&%T(&YE961S(&$@;F5W(&-E;&P@*&D@=&AI;FLL +M(&ET6]U(&%R92!I +K;G1E, avg@rodan.UU.NET (Vadim Antonov) writes: +|> I somehow started to doubt technical competence of the +|> people who designed the system. Why on the Earth split the +|> 80-bit key in 40-bit parts to keep them in escrow separately +|> (having 40 bit and large volumes of data voice links produce +|> it should be relatively easy to break it) when they simply +|> could keep 80-bit sequences in N (N>=2) independent places +|> and then XOR all the partial keys to get the actual key (N-1 +|> sequences should obviously be selected randomly and Nth is the +|> actual key XOR-ed with the random sequences). + +Without real technical details, it's hard to answer this question. But +suppose they already *are* XORing the two 40-bit parts to produce only +40 bits of real key material? Maybe they're using the exportable version +of RC2...? :-) + +PHil +";16;True +"From: Jeff.Cook@FtCollinsCO.NCR.COM (Jeff Cook) +Subject: Re: Vandalizing the sky. +Organization: none +Lines: 51 +In-reply-to: enzo@research.canon.oz.au's message of 20 Apr 93 22:36:55 GMT + +In article enzo@research.canon.oz.au (Enzo Liguori) writes: + +>Now, Space Marketing +>is working with University of Colorado and Livermore engineers on +>a plan to place a mile-long inflatable billboard in low-earth +>orbit. NASA would provide contractual launch services. However, +>since NASA bases its charge on seriously flawed cost estimates +>(WN 26 Mar 93) the taxpayers would bear most of the expense. This +>may look like environmental vandalism, but Mike Lawson, CEO of +>Space Marketing, told us yesterday that the real purpose of the +>project is to help the environment! The platform will carry ozone +>monitors he explained--advertising is just to help defray costs. + +How could this possibly be ""environmental vandalism"" when there is no +""environment"" to vandalize up there? + +Since the advertising ""is just to help defray costs"", it's certainly no +surprise that ""the taxpayers would bear most of the expense"". Sounds +like a good idea to me, since the taxpayers would bear _all_ of the +expense if they didn't do the advertising. + +>What do you think of this revolting and hideous attempt to vandalize +>the night sky? + +Great idea, they should have done it long ago. + +>What about light pollution in observations? (I read somewhere else that +>it might even be visible during the day, leave alone at night). + +I can't believe that a mile-long billboard would have any significant +effect on the overall sky brightness. Venus is visible during the day, +but nobody complains about that. Besides, it's in LEO, so it would only +be visible during twilight when the sky is already bright, and even if +it would have some miniscule impact, it would be only for a short time +as it goes zipping across the sky. + +>Are protesting groups being organized in the States? + +No doubt. People are always looking for something to protest about, so +it would be no surprise. + +>Really, really depressed. + +Well, look on the, er, bright side. Imagine the looks on the faces of +people in primitive tribes out in the middle of nowhere as they look up +and see a can of Budweiser flying across the sky... :-D + +-- + +Jeff Cook Jeff.Cook@FtCollinsCO.NCR.com + +";2;True +"From: jcj@tellabs.com (jcj) +Subject: Re: proof of resurection +Organization: Huh? Whuzzat? +Lines: 22 + +In article reedr@cgsvax.claremont.edu writes: + +>We also cannot fail to note the intense suffering a devastation which has been +>wrecked on our world because of Christians -- who were certain they were +>following Christ. From Captialist ... in strict obedience to the Gensis +>innocent women who were burned alive in accordance with ""you shall not allow a +>witch to live"", the Moslems who were killed in the Crusades, the god-fearing +>men destroyed by the inquistion. The religious wars in Spain, France, England, +>etc. Christianity has undoubtedly caused the most suffering and needless loss +>of life by individuals whose certainity that they were following the +>instructions therein, was unquestionable. There is much to grieve. + +I agree. Where in the Gospels does Jesus advocate any of the actions +you mention? + +I couldn't find ""witch"" or ""sorceress"" in my concordance. Is there +something in the Epistles about witches? (I'm still working my way +through the Gospels.) + +JJ + +[The reference is Ex 22:18. It's witch in KJ, sorceress in RSV. --clh] +";17;True +"From: htilney@vax.clarku.edu +Subject: Bruins - Klingon Connection? +Organization: Clark University +Lines: 7 + +I was wondering if any Star Trek TNG fans in this newsgroup knew of a +possible relationship between the Bruins' players Douris & Moog and the +Klingon names Duras and Worf (Son of Moog). I suppose it's a coincidence. + +Just curious, + +Bart +";13;True +"From: ron.roth@rose.com (ron roth) +Subject: Selective Placebo +X-Gated-By: Usenet <==> RoseMail Gateway (v1.70) +Organization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario. +Lines: 30 + +T(> Russell Turpin responds to article by Ron Roth: +T(> +T(> R> ... I don't doubt that the placebo effect is alive and well with +T(> R> EVERY medical modality - estimated by some to be around 20+%, +T(> R> but why would it be higher with alternative versus conventional +T(> R> medicine?"" +T(> +T(> How do you know that it is? If you could show this by careful +T(> measurement, I suspect you would have a paper worthy of publication +T(> in a variety of medical journals. +T(> +T(> Russell + + If you notice the question mark at the end of the sentence, I was + addressing that very question to that person (who has a dog named + sugar) and a few other people who seem to be of the same opinion. + + I would love to have anyone come up with a study to support their + claims that the placebo effect is more prevalent with alternative + compared to conventional medicine. + Perhaps the study could also include how patients respond if they + are dissatisfied with a conventional versus an alternative doctor, + i.e. which practitioner is more likely to get punched in the face + when the success of the treatment doesn't meet the expectations of + the patient! + + --Ron-- +--- + RoseReader 2.00 P003228: When in doubt, make it sound convincing! + RoseMail 2.10 : Usenet: Rose Media - Hamilton (416) 575-5363 +";4;True +"From: gregg@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Gregg L. Kasten) +Subject: differences in insurance companies' rates +Keywords: insurance +Organization: CS Department, Stanford University, California, USA +Distribution: ca +Lines: 23 + +I am considering buying an new car, so I called three insurance +companies in California to get estimates. I asked for the same +coverage and same deductibles. Most of the companies charge you +according to your zip code. Others charge according to your city. +Anyhow, I gave the same zip code and city to all three places. Here's +what I found (for a '93 Integra GS): + +AAA: ~$2000/yr. +State Farm: 2614.92/yr. +Allstate: 1220/yr. + +AAA is non-profit, so they said I could also expect to receive about +$200-300 back at the end of the year. + +Still, There is a huge gap between all of these companies. State Farm +wants MORE than TWICE as much as Allstate. I think I should be +suspicious, but I've never heard anybody else complain. + +Any comments? + +Thanks, +Gregg L. Kasten +gregg@cs.stanford.edu +";10;True +"From: galvint@cs.nps.navy.mil (thomas galvin) +Subject: Re: Re-Alignnment, Expansion +Organization: Naval Postgraduate School, Monterey +Lines: 33 + +In article andrew@idacom.hp.com (Andrew Scott) writes: +>In article <1993Apr2.175946.7727@nntpd2.cxo.dec.com> nixdorf@etre (Eric Nixdorf) writes: +>> +>> Looking at the way the divisions were re-aligned, there are six teams each +>>in the Central (Norris) and Pacific (Smyth) divisions, while there are seven +>>teams each in the Northeast (Adams) and Atlantic (Patrick) divisions. The +>>thought occurs to me that inherent in the realignment is expansion of one team +>>in the Central division and one team in the Pacific division, although I've +>>seen nothing published that indicates that. +> +>Actually, when the NHL expansion committee was formed a couple of years back +>(before the Ottawa and Tampa Bay expansion), John Zeigler stated at the time +>that it was the NHL's expansion plan to grow to 28 teams (7 per division) by +>the turn of the century. +> +>-- +>Andrew Scott | andrew@idacom.hp.com +>HP IDACOM Telecom Division | (403) 462-0666 ext. 253 +> +>During the Roman Era, 28 was considered old... + +Last night during a Sharks' broadcast, Commissioner Bettman was +interviewed during the first intermission. He made no bones about it, +the expansion to 28 is on permanent hold until he is satisfied that +the current allotment of 26 are fully stable. This means that cities +looking for a club in the foreseeable future will have to wait until +one team in some location fails or looks to relocate. + +This is good, IMO. There's no sense in expanding if it only means +more failing franchises are in the mold. + +-Tom Galvin galvint@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil + +";13;True +"From: crypt-comments@math.ncsu.edu +Subject: Cryptography FAQ 05/10 - Product Ciphers +Organization: The Crypt Cabal +Lines: 435 +Expires: 22 May 1993 04:00:07 GMT +Reply-To: crypt-comments@math.ncsu.edu +NNTP-Posting-Host: pad-thai.aktis.com +Summary: Part 5 of 10 of the sci.crypt FAQ, Product Ciphers. + Theory and security of product ciphers. Differential cryptanalysis. + DES encryption standard. NSA role in DES design. DES hardware and + software availability. +X-Last-Updated: 1993/04/16 + +Archive-name: cryptography-faq/part05 +Last-modified: 1993/4/15 + + +FAQ for sci.crypt, part 5: Product ciphers + +This is the fifth of ten parts of the sci.crypt FAQ. The parts are +mostly independent, but you should read the first part before the rest. +We don't have the time to send out missing parts by mail, so don't ask. +Notes such as ``[KAH67]'' refer to the reference list in the last part. + +The sections of this FAQ are available via anonymous FTP to rtfm.mit.edu +as /pub/usenet/news.answers/cryptography-faq/part[xx]. The Cryptography +FAQ is posted to the newsgroups sci.crypt, sci.answers, and news.answers +every 21 days. + + +Contents: + +* What is a product cipher? +* What makes a product cipher secure? +* What are some group-theoretic properties of product ciphers? +* What can be proven about the security of a product cipher? +* How are block ciphers used to encrypt data longer than the block size? +* Can symmetric block ciphers be used for message authentication? +* What exactly is DES? +* What is triple DES? +* What is differential cryptanalysis? +* How was NSA involved in the design of DES? +* Is DES available in software? +* Is DES available in hardware? +* Can DES be used to protect classified information? +* What are ""ECB"", ""CBC"", ""CFB"", and ""OFB"" encryption? + + +* What is a product cipher? + + A product cipher is a block cipher that iterates several weak + operations such as substitution, transposition, modular + addition/multiplication, and linear transformation. (A ``block + cipher'' just means a cipher that encrypts a block of data---8 bytes, + say---all at once, then goes on to the next block.) The notion of + product ciphers is due to Shannon [SHA49]. Examples of modern + product ciphers include LUCIFER [SOR84], DES [NBS77], SP-networks + [KAM78], LOKI [BRO90], FEAL [SHI84], PES [LAI90], Khufu and Khafre + [ME91a]. The so-called Feistel ciphers are a class of product + ciphers which operate on one half of the ciphertext at each round, + and then swap the ciphertext halves after each round. LUCIFER, + DES, LOKI, and FEAL are examples of Feistel ciphers. + + The following table compares the main parameters of several product + ciphers: + + cipher | block length | key bits | number of rounds + LUCIFER 128 128 16 + DES 64 56 16 + LOKI 64 64 16 + FEAL 64 128 2^x, x >= 5 + PES 64 128 8 + +* What makes a product cipher secure? + + Nobody knows how to prove mathematically that a product cipher is + completely secure. So in practice one begins by demonstrating that the + cipher ``looks highly random''. For example, the cipher must be + nonlinear, and it must produce ciphertext which functionally depends + on every bit of the plaintext and the key. Meyer [MEY78] has shown + that at least 5 rounds of DES are required to guarantee such a + dependence. In this sense a product cipher should act as a ``mixing'' + function which combines the plaintext, key, and ciphertext in a + complex nonlinear fashion. + + The fixed per-round substitutions of the product cipher are + referred to as S-boxes. For example, LUCIFER has 2 S-boxes, and DES + has 8 S-boxes. The nonlinearity of a product cipher reduces to a + careful design of these S-boxes. A list of partial design criteria + for the S-boxes of DES, which apply to S-boxes in general, may be + found in Brown [BRO89] and Brickell et al. [BRI86]. + +* What are some group-theoretic properties of product ciphers? + + Let E be a product cipher that maps N-bit blocks to N-bit blocks. + Let E_K(X) be the encryption of X under key K. Then, for any fixed K, + the map sending X to E_K(X) is a permutation of the set of N-bit + blocks. Denote this permutation by P_K. The set of all N-bit + permutations is called the symmetric group and is written S_{2^N}. + The collection of all these permutations P_K, where K ranges over all + possible keys, is denoted E(S_{2^N}). If E were a random mapping from + plaintexts to ciphertexts then we would expect E(S_{2^N}) to generate + a large subset of S_{2^N}. + + Coppersmith and Grossman [COP74] have shown that a very simple + product cipher can generate the alternating group A_{2^N} given a + sufficient number of rounds. (The alternating group is half of the + symmetric group: it consists of all ``even'' permutations, i.e., all + permutations which can be written as an even number of swaps.) + Even and Goldreich [EVE83] were able to extend these results to show + that Feistel ciphers can generate A_{2^N}, given a sufficient number + of rounds. + + The security of multiple encipherment also depends on the + group-theoretic properties of a cipher. Multiple encipherment is an + extension over single encipherment if for keys K1, K2 there does + not exist a third key K3 such that + + E_K2(E_K1(X)) == E_(K3)(X) (**) + + which indicates that encrypting twice with two independent keys + K1, K2 is equal to a single encryption under the third key K3. If + for every K1, K2 there exists a K3 such that eq. (**) is true then + we say that E is a group. + + This question of whether DES is a group under this definition was + extensively studied by Sherman, Kaliski, and Rivest [SHE88]. In their + paper they give strong evidence for the hypothesis that DES is not a + group. In fact DES is not a group [CAM93]. + +* What can be proven about the security of a product cipher? + + Recall from above that P_K is a permutation produced by E under + some key K. The goal of the designer of E is to ensure that P_K + appears to be a random element of S_{2^N}, the symmetric group. + Let R be an element of S_{2^N} selected randomly. We will say that P_K + and R are indistinguishable if an observer given P_K and R in some + order cannot distinguish between these two permutations in polynomial + time. That is, with time bounded resources, the observer cannot + determine which of the permutations is produced by E: the optimal + decision is no better than simply guessing. + + Luby and Rackoff [LUB88] have shown that a class of Feistel ciphers + are secure in this sense when the round mapping is replaced by + random boolean functions. + +* How are block ciphers used to encrypt data longer than the block size? + + There are four standard ""modes of operation"" (and numerous non-standard + ones as well). The standard modes of operation are defined in the U.S. + Department of Commerce Federal Information Processing Standard (FIPS) 81, + published in 1980. See the question about ""ECB"" below for more details. + + Although they are defined for the DES block cipher, the ""modes of + operation"" can be used with any block cipher. + +* Can symmetric block ciphers be used for message authentication? + + One may use a symmetric cryptosystem block cipher to prove to himself + that he did or did not generate a message, and to prove to himself + whether his message was altered or unaltered since generation. But one + cannot prove these things to another without revealing the key, and + thereafter that key cannot be used to prove anything about any messages + that were authenticated using that key. + + See ANSI X3.106-1983 and FIPS 113 (1985) for a standard method of message + authentication using DES. + +* What exactly is DES? + + DES is the U.S. Government's Data Encryption Standard - a product + cipher that operates on 64-bit blocks of data, using a 56-bit key. + + It is defined in FIPS 46-1 (1988) [which supersedes FIPS 46 (1977)]. + FIPS are Federal Information Processing Standards published by NTIS. + DES is identical to the ANSI standard Data Encryption Algorithm (DEA) + defined in ANSI X3.92-1981. + +* What is triple DES? + + Triple DES is a product cipher which, like DES, operates on 64-bit + data blocks. There are several forms, each of which uses the DES + cipher 3 times. Some forms use two 56-bit keys, some use three. + The ""DES modes of operation"" may also be used with triple-DES. + + Some people refer to E(K1,D(K2,E(K1,x))) as triple-DES. + + This method is defined in chapter 7.2 of the ANSI standard X9.17-1985 + ""Financial Institution Key Management"" and is intended for use in + encrypting DES keys and IVs for ""Automated Key Distribution"". Its + formal name is ""Encryption and Decryption of a Single Key by a Key + Pair"", but it is referenced in other standards documents as EDE. + + That standard says (section 7.2.1): ""Key encrypting keys may be a single + DEA key or a DEA key pair. Key pairs shoud be used where additional + security is needed (e.g., the data protected by the key(s) has a long + security life). A key pair shall not be encrypted or decrypted using a + single key."" + + Others use the term ""triple-DES"" for E(K1,D(K2,E(K3,x))) or + E(K1,E(K2,E(K3,x))). + + One of us (Carl Ellison) keeps advocating DES triple use in the form + E(K1, TRAN( E(K2, TRAN( E(K3, COMPRESS( x )))))), where each DES instance + has its own key and IV (for CBC mode) and TRAN has been posted on + sci.crypt. (It is a large-block transposition program taking its key + from the data stream itself, so that it is not an encryption program on + its own part.) + +* What is differential cryptanalysis? + + Differential cryptanalysis is a statistical attack that can be + applied to any iterated mapping (ie. any mapping which is based on + a repeated round function). The method was recently popularized by + Biham and Shamir [BIH91], but Coppersmith has remarked that the + S-boxes of DES were optimized against this attack some 20 years ago. + This method has proved effective against several product ciphers, + notably FEAL [BI91a]. + + Differential cryptanalysis is based on observing a large number of + ciphertexts Y, Y' whose corresponding plaintexts X, X' satisfy a + known difference D = X+X', where + is componentwise XOR. In the + basic Biham-Shamir attack, 2^{47} such plaintext pairs are required + to determine the key for DES. Substantially fewer pairs are required + if DES is truncated to 6 or 8 rounds. In these cases, the actual key + can be recovered in a matter of minutes using a few thousand pairs. + For full DES this attack is impractical because it requires so many + known plaintexts. + + The work of Biham and Shamir on DES revealed several startling + observations on the algorithm. Most importantly, if the key + schedule was removed from DES and a 16*48 = 768-bit key was used, + the key could be recovered in less than 2^{64} steps. Thus + independent subkeys do not add substantial security to DES. + Further, the S-boxes of DES are extremely sensitive in that + changing even single entries in these tables yields significant + improvement in the differential attack. + + Adi Shamir is quoted to say (NYTimes Oct 13 1991), ``I would say + that, contrary to what some people believe, there is no evidence + of tampering with the DES so that the basic design was weakened.'' + +* How was NSA involved in the design of DES? + + According to Kinnucan [KIN78], Tuchman, a member of the group that + developed DES at IBM is quoted as saying, ``We developed the DES + algorithm entirely within IBM using IBMers. The NSA did not + dictate a single wire!'' Tuchman and Meyer (another developer of + DES) spent a year breaking ciphers and finding weaknesses in + Lucifer. They then spent two years strengthening Lucifer. ``Their + basic approach was to look for strong substitution, permutation, + and key scheduling functions ... IBM has classified the notes + containing the selection criteria at the request of the NSA.... + `The NSA told us we had inadvertently reinvented some of the deep + secrets it uses to make its own algorithms,' explains Tuchman.'' + + On the other hand, a document called ``Involvement of the NSA in + the development of DES: unclassified summary of the United States + Select Committee on Intelligence'', printed in the IEEE + Communications Magazine, p53-55, 1978, states: ``In the development + of DES, NSA convinced IBM that a reduced keysize was sufficient; + indirectly assisted in the development of the S-box structures; and + certified that the final DES algorithm was, to the best of their + knowledge, free from any statistical or mathematical weakness.'' + + Clearly the key size was reduced at the insistence of the NSA. + The article further states that the NSA did not tamper with the + algorithm itself, just the parameters, which in some sense + resolves the apparent conflict in the remarks of Meyer and Tuchman + presented above. + +* Is DES available in software? + + Several people have made DES code available via ftp (see part 10 for + pathnames): Stig Ostholm [FTPSO]; BSD [FTPBK]; Eric Young [FTPEY]; + Dennis Furguson [FTPDF]; Mark Riordan [FTPMR]; Phil Karn [FTPPK]. + A Pascal listing of DES is also given in Patterson [PAT87]. + + FIPS 46-1 says ""The algorithm specified in this standard is to be + implemented ... using hardware (not software) technology. ... + Software implementations in general purpose computers are not in + compliance with this standard."" Despite this, software + implementations abound, and are used by government agencies. + +* Is DES available in hardware? + + The following paragraphs are quoted from messages sent to the editors. + We don't vouch for the quality or even existence of the products. + + Chip Rosenthal says: ``Dallas Semiconductor makes a DES + encryption/decryption device for use on standard, digital 64Kbps PCM + telecom data streams. It is capable of processing data in real time, + e.g. one sample/frame. It is the DS2160. Their phone number is + 214-450-0400. You would probably need to talk with Dewight in Telecom + marketing.'' + + Christian Franke, franke@informatik.rwth-aachen.de, says: ``1. + Cryptech CRY12C102: 22.5Mbit/s according to Data Sheet, with 32 Bit + interface. We use this one, because it was the only one available when + we started the project. No problems ! 2. Pijnenburg PCC100: 20Mbit/s + according to Data Sheet. Address: PIJNENBURG B.V., Boxtelswweg 26, + NL-5261 NE Vught, The Netherlands. 3. INFOSYS DES Chip (Germany): + S-Boxes must be loaded by software. So you can modify the Algorithm. + Sorry, I don't have the data sheet handy. Please E-Mail me if you need + further information.'' + + mjr@tis.com (Marcus J Ranum) says: ""SuperCrypt"" 100Mb/sec and faster + DES and Proprietary Storage for 16 56-bit keys Key stream generator + Integrated hardware DES3 procedure Extended mode with 112 bit keys; + Computer Elektronik Infosys; 512-A Herndon Parkway,; Herndon, VA + 22070; (800)322-3464 + + thember@gandalf.ca (Tim Hember) says: Newbridge Microsystems sells + an AM9568 compatible DES chip that operates at 25MHz, performs a + round of encryption in 18 clocks, has a three-stage pipeline, + supports ECB, CBC, CFB-8 and >>> CFB-1 <<<<. Further it is very + reasonable priced as opposed to other high-end DES chips. Call + Newbridge Microsystems, Ottawa, (613) 592-0714. (... there are no + import/export issues with Canada and the US). If you require custom + DES or Public Key ICs then Timestep Engineering developed + Newbridge's crypto chips and ICs for other commercial and + educational establishments. They can be reached at (613) 820-0024. + +* Can DES be used to protect classified information? + + DES is not intended to protect classified data. FIPS 46-1 says: + ""This standard will be used by Federal departments and agencies for + the cryptographic protection of computer data when the following + conditions apply: 1. ... cryptographic protection is required; and + 2. the data is not classified according to the National Security Act + of 1947, as amended, or the Atomic Energy Act of 1954, as amended."" + +* What are ""ECB"", ""CBC"", ""CFB"", and ""OFB"" encryption? + + These are methods for using block ciphers, such as DES, to encrypt + messages, files, and blocks of data, known as ""modes of operation."" + Four ""modes of operation"" are defined in FIPS 81 (1980 December 2), + and also in ANSI X3.106-1983. + + FIPS 81 specifies that when 7-bit ASCII data is sent in octets, the + unused most-significant bit is to be set to 1. + FIPS 81 also specifies the padding for short blocks. + + The four DES modes of operation are: + Electronic Code Book (ECB), + Cipher Block Chaining (CBC), + K-bit Cipher FeedBack (CFB), and + K-bit Output FeedBack (OFB). + + These methods are explained below in a c-language-like notation. + + Some symbols: + + P[n] The n'th block of plaintext, input to encryption, output from + decryption. Size of block determined by the mode. + + C[n] The n'th block of ciphertext, output from encryption, input to + decryption. Size of block determined by the mode. + + E(m) The DES encryption function, performed on 64-bit block m, using + the 16-key schedule derived from some 56-bit key. + + D(m) The DES decryption function, performed on 64-bit block m, using + the same key schedule as in E(m), except that the 16 keys + in the schedule are used in the opposite order as in E(m). + + IV A 64-bit ""initialization vector"", a secret value which, along with + the key, is shared by both encryptor and decryptor. + + I[n] The n'th value of a 64-bit variable, used in some modes. + R[n] The n'th value of a 64-bit variable, used in some modes. + + LSB(m,k) The k least significant (right-most) bits of m. + e.g. m & ((1 << k) - 1) + + MSB(m,k) The k most significant (left-most) bits of m. + e.g. (m >> (64-k)) & ((1 << k) - 1) + + = ^ << >> & operators as defined in the c langage. + + + Electronic Code Book (ECB): + + P[n] and C[n] are each 64-bits long. + + Encryption: Decryption: + C[n] = E(P[n]) P[n] = D(C[n]) + + + Cipher Block Chaining (CBC): + + P[n] and C[n] are each 64-bits long. + + Encryption: Decryption: + C[0] = E(P[0]^IV) P[0] = D(C[0])^IV + (n>0) C[n] = E(P[n]^C[n-1]) P[n] = D(C[n])^C[n-1] + + + k-bit Cipher FeedBack (CFB): + + P[n] and C[n] are each k bits long, 1 <= k <= 64. + + Encryption: Decryption: + I[0] = IV I[0] = IV + (n>0) I[n] = I[n-1]<0) I[n] = C[n-1] I[n] = C[n-1] + (all n) R[n] = E(I[n]) R[n] = E(I[n]) + (all n) C[n] = P[n]^R[n] P[n] = C[n]^R[n] + + CFB notes: Since I[n] depends only on the plain or cipher text from the + previous operation, the E() function can be performed in parallel with + the reception of the text with which it is used. + + + k-bit Output FeedBack (OFB): + + P[n] and C[n] are each k bits long, 1 <= k <= 64. + + Encryption: Decryption: + I[0] = IV I[0] = IV + (n>0) I[n] = I[n-1]<0) I[n] = R[n-1] I[n] = R[n-1] + (all n) R[n] = E(I[n]) R[n] = E(I[n]) + (all n) C[n] = P[n]^R[n] P[n] = C[n]^R[n] + + OFB notes: encryption and decryption are identical. Since I[n] is + independent of P and C, the E() function can be performed in advance of + the receipt of the plain/cipher text with which it is to be used. + + + Additional notes on DES ""modes of operation"": + + ECB and CBC use E() to encrypt and D() to decrypt, but the feedback modes + use E() to both encrypt and decrypt. This disproves the erroneous claim + that systems which feature E() but not D() cannot be used for data + confidentiality, and therefore are not subject to export controls. +";16;True +"From: bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Bill Conner) +Subject: Re: some thoughts. +Nntp-Posting-Host: okcforum.osrhe.edu +Organization: Okcforum Unix Users Group +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] +Lines: 12 + +James Felder (spbach@lerc.nasa.gov) wrote: + +: Logic alert - argument from incredulity. Just because it is hard for you +: to believe this doesn't mean that it isn't true. Liars can be very pursuasive +: just look at Koresh that you yourself cite. + +This is whole basis of a great many here rejecting the Christian +account of things. In the words of St. Madalyn Murrey-O'Hair, ""Face it +folks, it's just silly ..."". Why is it okay to disbelieve because of +your incredulity if you admit that it's a fallacy? + +Bill +";9;True +"From: george!james@iowegia.dsm.ia.us +Subject: Re: Toshiba 3401B CD-ROM: Any problems? +Organization: Organization for creative time-wasting +X-Newsreader: rusnews v0.96 +Lines: 21 + +msmith@beta.tricity.wsu.edu (Mark Smith) writes: + +> I'm thinking about getting a Toshiba 3401 CD-ROM and hooking it up +> through the SCSI port on a Media Vision Pro Audio Spectrum sound board. +> Does anybody have this configuration out there? If so, does it work? +> +> For anybody in general who has the Toshiba 3401 CD-ROM drive, have you +> had any hadware problems? Door not opening, scratched disks, door not +> closing (getting stuck or not closing all the way), CD holder jamming +> and any other CD related problems. + + I have one and it is my favorite CD-ROM drive so far. I also have +a NEC-74 and have had experience with several other drives (Various +Phillips drives) + + The 3401 is faster than the NEC, I like its door better (the NEC +needs 2 hands), the XA handling (The NEC needs to be re-booted to go from +XA to ROM while the 3401 does it on the fly), All in all I am seriously +considering replacing my NEC with another Toshiba. + + JWS +";5;True +"From: JBE5 +Subject: WFAN (STEVE & CHIEF ON 48 HOURS) +Lines: 30 +Nntp-Posting-Host: vm1.mcgill.ca +Organization: McGill University + +Greetings! + +Steve Summers and the Chief were on 48 Hours last night shmoozing +sports. I unfortunately missed it. Those of you who saw it, can +you please provide a synopsis. + +Thanx. + +------------------------------------------------------------------------ +The Czar of Mainframe Computing +McGill University + +---> I'M TOO SEXY FOR COBOL. + +---> Habs...it doesn't look good! + +---> Let's Go Expos! + ====================================== + | Peter Peter Pumkin Eater, | + | Knew a chick but couldn't meet her.| + | Saw her brother one fine day, | + | Sucked his cock now he's gay! | + | --Andrew Dice Clay | + ====================================== + + DISCLAIMER: +************************************************************************ +* Needless to say that the opinions expressed by THE CZAR represent * +* those of the faculty, staff, and students of McGill University. * +************************************************************************ +";13;True +"From: erick@andr.UB.com (Eric A. Kilpatrick) +Subject: Re: Drinking and Riding +Nntp-Posting-Host: pixel.andr.ub.com +Reply-To: erick@andr.UB.com +Organization: Ungermann-Bass Inc./Andover, MA +Lines: 7 + +Personally, I follow the no alcohol rule when I'm on a bike. My view is that you have to be in such a high degree of control that any alcohol could be potentially hazardous to my bike! If I get hurt it's my own fault, but I don't want to wreck my Katana. I developed this philosophy from an impromptu *experiment*. I had one beer at 6:00 in the evening and had volleyball practice at 7:00. I wasn't even close to leagle intoxication, but I couldn't perform even the most basic things until 8:30! This made + + + + me think about how I viewed alcohol and intoxication. You may seem fine, but your reactions may be affected such that you'll be unable to recover from hitting a rock or even just a gust of wind. I greatly enjoy social drinking but, for me, it just doesn't mix with riding. + +Max enjoyment! +Eric + +";7;True +"From: snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols) +Subject: Re: Braves Pitching UpdateDIR +Organization: Adobe Systems Incorporated +Lines: 21 + +In article <1993Apr15.214032.1@acad.drake.edu> sbp002@acad.drake.edu writes: +> +>> Not clear to me at all. I'd certainly rather have a team who was winning +>> 4-1 games than 2-1 games. In the 2-1 game, luck is going to play a much +>> bigger role than in the 4-1 game. +> +>But you still need the pitching staff to hold the opposing team to +>one run. + +Yeah, but what's your point? You still need the offense to score more runs +than you allow, too. + +The Braves do have a fine pitching staff. But that's still only half the +game. + +Sherri Nichols +snichols@adobe.com + + + + +";14;True +"From: dsnyder@falcon.aamrl.wpafb.af.mil +Subject: Re: Real Time Graphics?? +Distribution: na +Organization: USAF AL/CFH, WPAFB, Dayton, OH +Lines: 30 + +In article , stockel@oahu.oc.nps.navy.mil (Jim Stockel) writes: +> Hi, +> +> I will be writing a data acquisition program to collect data from a +> variety of sources including RS232, and external A/D's, and I would +> like to be able to display the data in near realtime. I've done this +> type of thing on PC's and other machines, but I am unaware of any graphics +> package that could help me with this on a UNIX machine. +> +> ....... +> +> Does anyone have any ideas on commercial or ""free"" packages that might +> suit my needs? I would really appreciate any input. I'm sure this has +> been done many times before. +> + + For a commerical package try WAVE from Precision Visuals + 505-530-6563 + + For a free package try KHOROS from University of New Mexico + 508-277-6563 + ftp from + ptrg.eece.unm.edu + + Login in anonyomus or ftp with a valid email address as the password + cd /pub/khoros/release + + That will get you to the right place. + + David +";1;True +"From: bpang@tuba.calpoly.edu (Brennan Lawrence Pang) +Subject: Hard drives, etc... for sale +Organization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo +Lines: 35 + +HARD DRIVES: (all drives include manuals, warranty) +------------ +Fujitsu 1.2 GIGabyte SCSI hard drive +$1000 + +Quantum 240 MEG SCSI prodrive +$350 + +Fujitsu 90 MEG SCSI hard drive +$175 + +Apple ""zero footprint"" hard drive case with power supply +$75 + +ACCELLERATED VIDEO: +------------------- +Apple 8/24GC (accellerated) graphics card with software (init) +Millions of colors, FAST! +$700 + +HARDCOPY: +--------- +Apple Imagewriter II printer with spare print head (these aren't cheap) +$300 +FAX machine: 9600 baud with leather travel case and many other accessories +$200 + +To discuss the purchase of any of these items, call John at (408) 268-1769 +If you get the answering machine, please leave a message with your name and +phone number, letting me know which piece you are interested in. + +John +(408) 268-1769 + +DO NOT REPLY TO THIS ACCOUNT! +";8;True +"From: jemurray@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John E Murray) +Subject: quality of Catholic liturgy +Organization: The Ohio State University +Lines: 20 + +I appreciated the follow-ups and replies to my earlier query. One reply, which +I have lost, suggested several parishes in New York that have good Masses, one +of which was Corpus Christi in downtown Manhattan. By coincidence, last week's +_America_, the national Jesuit magazine, carried an interview with Fr. Myles +Bourke, Corpus Christi's pastor emeritus. Fr. Bourke also directed the NT +translation in the New American Bible. He noted ""...certain practices have +been introduced into the Mass in such a manner that an atmosphere of banality, +and sometimes of hilarity, has trivialized the liturgy."" I note that at my +parents' parish on Easter, helium filled balloons were distributed at the +offertory, apparently to aid in understanding the word ""risen"". This was not a +kiddie mass, either, but the well-attended 11:00 Mass. + +I wanted to note the generous spirit behind the replies. This newsgroup as a +whole offers generally moderate (perhaps because it's moderated) conversation +on topics that often lead people to extreme behavior (including myself). +Sometimes people do go over the top, but the remarkable thing is how that is +the exception, I think. Benefits of the doubt are generally granted. It seems +so...Christian? + +John Murray +";17;True +"From: revdak@netcom.com (D. Andrew Kille) +Subject: Re: Maybe????? +Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) +Lines: 14 + +: [I have some qualms about postings like this. You might want to +: engage in a bit more conversation with Joel before deluging +: someone who doesn't expect it with cards. --clh] + +I'd suggest that more than _some_ qualms are in order. Without knowing +anything about the situation, it is impossible to evaluate the +appropriateness of writing. Some folks will check, others with more +zeal than time may not. + +IMHO, requests of this nature should be made only for oneself or for someone +who knows and approves of the idea. Otherwise, it is intrusive and +disrespectful of the individual. + +revdak@netcom.com +";17;True +"From: rmugele@oracle.com (Robert Mugele) +Subject: Re: How to act in front of traffic jerks +Organization: Oracle Corporation, Belmont, CA +Lines: 21 +In-Reply-To: nielsmm@imv.aau.dk's message of 15 Apr 93 08:54:34 GMT +Nntp-Posting-Host: oasun1.us.oracle.com +X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user + at Oracle Corporation. The opinions expressed are those + of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle. + +In article nielsmm@imv.aau.dk (Niels Mikkel Michelsen) writes: + +> The other day, it was raining cats and dogs, therefor I was going only to +> the speed limit, on nothing more, on my bike. This guy in his BMW was +> driving 1-2 meters behind me for 7-800 meters and at the next red light I +> calmly put the bike on its leg, walked back to this car, he rolled down the +> window, and I told him he was a total idiot (and the reason why). +> +> Did I do the right thing? + +Absolutely, unless you are in the U.S. Then the cager will pull a gun +and blow you away. + +================================================================== +| Bob Mugele (Jungle Bob) | Email: rmugele@oracle.com | +| Senior Computational Linguist | Phone: 214-401-5875 | +| Oracle Corp. | Moto: '81 GS450ES '87 Concours | +| Irving, Texas | DoD#: 283 | +| If vegetarians eat vegetables, beware of the humanitarians | +| --Dr. Bob | +================================================================== +";7;True +"From: traven@pitt.edu (Neal Traven) +Subject: Re: The 1964 Phillies: deja vu? +Lines: 25 +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] + +Robert C Hite (philly@bach.udel.edu) wrote: +: I think most of the problems mainly arose from Manager Gene Mauch's +: ineptitude in managing the pitching staff. Down the stretch, he +: abused Jim Bunning, Chris Short, and Robin Roberts (I think those +: are the three) pitching each on only 2 days rest for quite some +: time. By the time they hit the last 2 weeks of the season, +: obviously none of these guys had an ounce left in their arm. Oh +: well. + +Roberts was long gone -- he was probably an Oriole in 1964. Or maybe a +Colt .45. The 3rd starter was Art Mahaffey, the previous year's ace. +Dennis Bennett was the 4th starter. + +They were indeed 6.5 up with 12 to go, but they won their final two +games after the horrid 10-loss streak. The final game victory +(Bunning's 19th win, if memory serves) kept the Reds from tying for the +title; they and the Phils were both 1 game behind the Cards, with the +Giants(?) another game back. The Mets couldn't hold an early lead +against the Cards that final Sunday, or there would have been a 3-way +tie. Too bad they couldn't have saved some of the 15 or so runs they +scored on Saturday when they crushed St. Louis. +-- +----------------------------------------------------------------------------- +neal traven+@pitt.edu You're only young once, but you can be + traven@vms.cis.pitt.edu immature forever. -- Larry Andersen +";14;True +"From: cui@maccs.mcmaster.ca (Jun Cui) +Subject: How to hold the control to a window object? +Nntp-Posting-Host: maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca +Organization: McMaster University, Hamilton, Ontario. +Lines: 28 + +// Hope I am in the right group! I'm using BC++'s ObjectWindows (version 3.1), +// trying to get some date processed in a window object. However, when invoking +// the window object, the calling program gives up the control to the window +// object, and keeps executing the next statement. The source code may look +// like the following: + +class MyWindow : public TWindow +{ + ... +}; + +void MyCallingProg(...) // Could the calling program be a C function? +{ ... + MyWindow *MyWinObj; + MyWinObj = new MyWindow(...); + GetApplication()->MakeWindow(MyWinObj); + MyWinObj->Show(SW_SHOWNORMAL); + + next statement; // I want the program to wait here until MyWinObj is closed + ... // so that I can get some data back from MyWinObj. + ... // I specified the window style to be WS_POPUPWINDOW, didn't + ... // help. Is there any other way to execute the window object + ... // so that the calling program won't give up the control? +} // Any help would be appreciated. Thanks! --jun +To talk to the Lord with PS/2 through MS-Windows + + + +";6;True +"From: phoenix.Princeton.EDU!carlosn (Carlos G. Niederstrasser) +Subject: Double sonic booms. +Originator: news@nimaster +Nntp-Posting-Host: luma.princeton.edu +Organization: Princeton University +Lines: 16 + +Every time you read about a shuttle landing they mention the double sonic +booms. Having taken various relevant classes, I have several ideas of where +they come from, but none of them are very convincing. Exactly what causes +them? Are they a one time pheneomenon, or a constant one like the supersonic +shockwave that is constantly produced by a plane, but you hear only when it +goes over you? + +--- +--------------------------------------------------------------------- +| Carlos G. Niederstrasser | Only two things are infinite, | +| Princeton Planetary Society | the universe and human | +| | stupidity, and I'm not sure | +| | about the former. - Einstein | +| carlosn@phoenix.princeton.edu |---------------------------------| +| space@phoenix.princeton.edu | Ad Astra per Ardua Nostra | +--------------------------------------------------------------------- +";2;True +"From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) +Subject: Re: HELP: MC146818A Real Time Clock Standby Mode +Organization: U of Toronto Zoology +Lines: 20 + +In article <1r0b69INN5ct@flash.pax.tpa.com.au> mgregory@flash.pax.tpa.com.au (Martin John Gregory) writes: +>I am having trouble obtaining the specified standby current drain from +>a MC146818A Real Time Clock... +>lowest current drain I can acheive at 3.7V Vcc is 150uA. This is +>three times the specified MAXIMUM... +>1) Made sure that RESET/ is asserted for Trlh after powerup, and AS is +> low during this time. +>2) Made sure that there is a cycle on AS after the negation of RD/ or +> WR/ during which STBY/ was asserted... + +Are any of the inputs to the chip coming from TTL? Standby-drain specs +for CMOS chips typically apply only if inputs are pulled all the way down +to zero or all the way up to Vcc. TTL isn't good at doing the former and +it won't do the latter at all without help from pullup resistors. This +sort of thing can easily multiply power consumption by a considerable +factor, because the CMOS transistors that are supposed to be OFF aren't +all the way hard OFF. +-- +All work is one man's work. | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology + - Kipling | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry +";11;True +"From: nasa@suns.chinalake.navy.mil (Chris Adam Thomas) +Subject: 1964 Ford Galaxy - Original Owner - 56914 miles - California Car +Organization: TnA Research +Lines: 12 + +I'm posting this for my Mom and Dad's neighbor. Please contact her +directly. + + For Sale + +1964 Ford Galaxy 500, 4 door, 390 cid engine, automatic, lt blue +56914 miles (YES that is correct. It was her 2nd car). Original +owner. Alway garaged. California inland valley car - NO rust. +Paint good - original interior good. Professionally maintained. +Everything in good shape except gas gauge doesn't work. +All original except a ""3rd brake light"" added :-( $4000 +Call (916)451-3761 +";8;True +"From: wdstarr@athena.mit.edu (William December Starr) +Subject: Re: ABOLISH SELECTIVE SERVICE +Organization: Northeastern Law, Class of '93 +Lines: 18 +NNTP-Posting-Host: nw12-326-1.mit.edu +In-reply-to: william@fractl.tn.cornell.edu + + +In article <1qpvj2$dfp@fitz.TC.Cornell.EDU>, +william@fractl.tn.cornell.edu said in response to Dave Borden: + +> You selfish little bastard. Afraid you might have to sacrafice +> somthing for your country. What someone not approve a lone for you ? +> To bad. What is immoral is: people like you and the current president +> who don't have any idea why this country still exists after 200+ +> years. + +William: If the reason that this country still stands after 200+ years +is that it uses military conscription to force young men to fight for +causes that they don't believe in strongly enough to volunteer for +military service in support of, then perhaps the fact that the country +is still standing is not good news... + +-- William December Starr + +";18;True +"From: lihan@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Bruce G. Bostwick) +Subject: Re: Membrane keypad with custom legend. +Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX +Lines: 21 +Distribution: usa +NNTP-Posting-Host: doc.cc.utexas.edu + +In article <1993Apr21.125530.18387@texhrc.uucp> pyeatt@Texaco.com (Larry D. Pyeatt) writes: +>I had a catalog with membrane keypads, but I dunno what +>happened to it, and it was so long ago that I forget the +>name of the company. Anyway, you could make your own +>legend and slip it behind the bezel. Really nice and +>reasonably priced. Can anyone tell me where to get some +>more of these critters? + +For some reason the name Grayhill springs to mind -- saw something +like that in a Grayhill catalog, along with options for custom printed +overlays and a neat little electroluuminescent backing that would make +the whole shebang glow a nice shade of green .. + +mighty handy if you're trying to key a door combination in the dark +and don't want to TURN ON THE &%#$!! LIGHT .. + +-- + +lihan@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu / The only reason the world hasn't +(really Bruce Bostwick) / dissolved into total chaos is that +from the great state of TEXAS / Murphy's Law also applies to Murphy. +";11;True +"Reply-To: jfreeman@frontporch.win.net (Jeff Freeman) +From: jfreeman@frontporch.win.net (Jeff Freeman) +Subject: Re: Question/Suggestion for Everyone - Please Read +Lines: 28 + +> +>If both paries do this, then the transaction will obviously +>be COD. This allows both parties to exercise the amount of +>trust they see fit. + + +COD is fine until the buyer opens the box to find they paid 150.00 +for a brick. Or if it the seller allows for a personal check to be used +on a COD it's fine till a stop payment is made. There are few methods +to protect both buyer and seller in any sort of transaction. Even with +merchants and customers there are problems...stolen credit cards, +chargebacks, no return policies and getting the wrong item, etc. + +About the only protection available to to do business with someone you +trust....someone who has been around for a while. + +Jeff + + +________________________________________________________________________ + +Jeff Freeman 1-800-GO-PORCH Toll-Free +Front Porch Computers 1-706-695-1888 +Rt 2 Box 2178 1-706-695-1990 +Chatsworth, GA 30705 75260,21 Compuserve ID # + Internet: jfreeman@frontporch.win.net +________________________________________________________________________ + +";8;True +"From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) +Subject: Re: [lds] Gordon's Objections +Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) +Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science +Lines: 38 + +In article psyrobtw@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Robert Weiss) writes: +>Gordon Banks quoted and added... +> +>gb> In article +>gb> psyrobtw@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Robert Weiss) writes: +>gb> +>gb> >The Mormon Jesus is the spirit brother of Lucifer. That Jesus is God +>gb> >the Father's first born spirit child. That Jesus was begotten on earth +>gb> >through natural means, not by the Holy Ghost. That He sweat His blood +>gb> >for our sins in the Garden of Gethsemane. That His blood cannot +>gb> >cleanse from all sin. That He is now among many millions of other +>gb> >gods. That Jesus is Jehovah and the Father is Elohim (in the OT +>gb> >Jehovah and Elohim are the same). That He needed to be saved. +>gb> + + +It is true that Mormons believe that all spirits (including Jesus, +Lucifer, Robert Weiss) are in the same family. It does not mean +that Jesus was created, but rather that Lucifer and Robert Weiss +were not. I agree that this is a ""heresy"". So what? +The sweating of blood in Gethsemene is +not a basic Mormon doctrine. Jesus did not perform the atonement +in Getheseme alone, as some anti-Mormons are trying to teach. +As far as the ""unpardonable sin"" whatever that is, it is Biblical, +and not specifically Mormon. It is also called the sin against +the Holy Ghost. Most Bible scholars (other than conservative +ones) do not believe Jehovah and Elohim were always the same. +I'm sure you've heard of the J and the E texts? I don't +know what you mean by ""That He needed to be saved"". Jesus? +Jehovah? Elohim? In Mormon doctrine, Jesus was sinless, +and thus did not ""need to be saved"". + + +-- +---------------------------------------------------------------------------- +Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and +geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" +---------------------------------------------------------------------------- +";19;True +"From: healta@saturn.wwc.edu (Tammy R Healy) +Subject: Re: free moral agency +Lines: 34 +Organization: Walla Walla College +Distribution: na +Lines: 34 + +In article <11810@vice.ICO.TEK.COM> bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert Beauchaine) writes: +>From: bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert Beauchaine) +>Subject: Re: free moral agency +>Date: 14 Apr 93 21:41:31 GMT +>In article healta@saturn.wwc.edu (TAMMY R HEALY) writes: +>>> +>>In the Old testement, Satan is RARELY mentioned, if at all. +> +> +> Huh? Doesn't the SDA Bible contain the book of Job? +> +>>This is why there is suffering in the world, we are caught inthe crossfire. +>>and sometimes, innocents as well as teh guilty get hurt. +>>That's my opinion and I hope I cleared up a few things. +>> +> +> Seems like your omnipotent and omniscient god has ""got some +> 'splainin' to do"" then. Or did he just create Satan for shits and +> giggles? +> +>/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ +> +>Bob Beauchaine bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM +> +>They said that Queens could stay, they blew the Bronx away, +>and sank Manhattan out at sea. +> +>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +I didn't say it NEVER mentioned Satan, I said it RARELY, if at all. Please +excuse me for my lack of perfect memory or omnipotence. + +Tammy +P.S I'm soory if I sound cranky. I apoplogize now before anyone's feelings +get hurt. +";9;True +"From: bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Bill Conner) +Subject: Re: Death Penalty (was Re: Political Atheists?) +Nntp-Posting-Host: okcforum.osrhe.edu +Organization: Okcforum Unix Users Group +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] +Lines: 14 + +This is fascinating. Atheists argue for abortion, defend homosexuality +as a means of population control, insist that the only values are +biological and condemn war and capital punishment. According to +Benedikt, if something is contardictory, it cannot exist, which in +this case means atheists I suppose. +I would like to understand how an atheist can object to war (an +excellent means of controlling population growth), or to capital +punishment, I'm sorry but the logic escapes me. +And why just capital punishment, what is being questioned here, the +propriety of killing or of punishment? What is the basis of the +ecomplaint? + +Bill + +";9;True +"From: jamshid@cgl.ucsf.edu (J. Naghizadeh) +Subject: PR Campaign Against Iran (PBS Frontline) +Organization: Computer Graphics Laboratory, UCSF +Lines: 51 +Originator: jamshid@socrates.ucsf.edu + +There have been a number of articles on the PBS frontline program +about Iranian bomb. Here is my $0.02 on this and related subjects. + +One is curious to know the real reasons behind this and related +public relations campaign about Iran in recent months. These include: + +1) Attempts to implicate Iran in the bombing of the New York Trade + Center. Despite great efforts in this direction they have not + succeeded in this. They, however, have indirectly created + the impression that Iran is behind the rise of fundamentalist + Islamic movements and thus are indirectly implicated in this matter. + +2) Public statements by the Secretary of State Christoffer and + other official sources regarding Iran being a terrorist and + outlaw state. + +3) And finally the recent broadcast of the Frontline program. I + suspect that this PR campaign against Iran will continue and + perhaps intensify. + +Why this increased pressure on Iran? A number of factors may have +been behind this. These include: + +1) The rise of Islamic movements in North-Africa and radical + Hamas movement in the Israeli occupied territories. This + movement is basically anti-western and is not necessarily + fueled by Iran. The cause for accelerated pace of this + movement is probably the Gulf War which sought to return + colonial Shieks and Amirs to their throne in the name of + democracy and freedom. Also, the obvious support of Algerian + military coup against the democratically elected Algerian + Islamic Front which clearly exposed the democracy myth. + A further cause of this may be the daily broadcast of the news + on the slaughter of Bosnian Moslems. + +2) Possible future implications of this movement in Saudi Arabia + and other US client states and endangerment of the cheap oil + sources from this region. + +3) A need to create an enemy as an excuse for huge defense + expenditures. This has become necessary after the demise of + Soveit Union. + +The recent PR campaign against Iran, however, seems to be directed +from Israel rather than Washington. There is no fundamental conflict +of interest between Iran and the US and in my opinion, it is in the +interest of both countries to affect reestablishment of normal +and friendly relations. This may have a moderating effect on the +rise of radical movements within the Islamic world and Iran . + +--jamshid +";15;True +"From: psb@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Jr Phillip S Buckland) +Subject: Re: ""Accepting Jeesus in your heart..."" +Organization: Kansas State University +Lines: 168 + +[DISCLAIMER: Throughout this post, there are statements and questions which +could easily be interpreted as being sarcastic. They are not. I have written +this reply in the most even-handed manner that I can, with no emotions boiling +to the surface as it was written. Please accept this as a serious attempt to +foster dialog and rest assurred that I make every attempt to make fun of no +one, except myself ;-)] + +gsu0033@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Eric Molas) writes: + +>Firstly, I am an atheist. I am not posting here as an immature flame +>start, but rather to express an opinion to my intended audience. + +[...] + +>1) The human being is an _animal_ who has, due to his/her advanced +>mental facilities, developed religious as a satisfiable solution to +>explain the unexplainable. [...] + + Hmmm. There are other animals on this planet with advanced + mental facilities which have not developed ""religion"" as a + satisfactory explaination for the unexplained. Why is this so? + + Further, it appears that only humans have a ""need"" to explain the + unexplained. Why is this so? The other animals on this planet, + including those with advanced mental facilities, seem perfectly + content in their ignorance. + + I'd like to point out that your presuppositions scream out at me + from your unsupported statement. They are: 1) humans are animal + *only*; 2) religion exists as a crutch so that the unexplained need + not be researched; 3) religion was ""made up"" by humans to address a + perceived need; 4) the biological aspect of humans is deified (that + is, all aspects of human life can be categorized in a hierarchical + structure with biology at the apex). + + Needless to say, I disagree with your strong opinion #1 and the + underlying presuppositions. + +>Christianity is an infectious cult. The reasons it flourishes are +>because 1) it gives people without hope or driven purpose in life +>a safety blanked to hide behind. ""Oh wow..all i have to do is +>follow this christian moral standard and I get eternal happiness."" +>For all of you ""found jeezus"" , how many of you were ""on the brink?"" + + I disagree that Christianity is ""an infectious cult"". It has + certainly shown itself to be persistent as a belief system, in + spite of various persecutions throughout the past two millenia. + That it continues to persevere does not demonstrate that it is + ""infectious"" in a derrogatory sense; it may be that it provides + a workable system for its adherents (and I would argue that this + is the case). + + I disagree that Christianity is ""a safety blanket"" which supplants + hope and purpose. Rather, it points an individual to the one + Source of hope and purpose. There is nothing hidden about a + Christian's source for hope and purpose. Of what usefulness to + you is the distinction between internally motivated hope and purpose + and externally given hope and purpose? Is the (apparent) loss of + control over one's own life the problem or is it something else? + + Finally, one does not appropriate ""eternal happiness"" by following + Christian moral standards. Indeed, the sole reason for the existance + of Christianity is *because* standards are inadequate to save people + from their imperfections. Moral standards are merely guides to the + Christian; the real power to moral living is given to the Christian + in the Person of God's Spirit. + + Heaven is one of two final states that + Christian doctrine postulates. However, Christians are generally + not motivated to live according to Christian moral standards by this + promised future reward; rather, they are motivated by the perceived + benefits to them in the here-and-now. + +>but i digress... The other reason christianity flourishes is its +>infectious nature. A best friend of mine breifly entered a christian +>group and within months, they set ministry guidelines for him which +>basicaly said this -->Priority #1 Spread the Word. + + Many Christian organizations are concerned with evangelism as a + priority, and rightly so (for it was Jesus Himself who gave this + as a priority for His followers). However, it is not the penultimate + priority as evangelism is normally understood (i.e. preach the word, + convert at nearly any cost, repeat with new convert ad infinitum). + Rather, such evangelism is generally best done through respecting + the opinions of others while *demonstrating* the very real benefits + of a Christian lifestyle. This demonstration should be so powerful + that it compels the non-Christian to seek out the Christian to ask + ""Why?"" Needless to say, such a demonstration is not easily accom- + plished (it takes a radical committment to the person of Jesus), it + does not happen quickly (so perseverance on the part of the Christian + is required), and it cannot occur where no personal bonds of + friendship exist (it is ineffective with strangers who cannot + evaluate the demonstration over time, and it is easy to alienate or + harm others if the sole purpose of being a ""friend"" is to gain a + conversion). + + As a long-time Christian (nearly 20 years), I view with some skep- + ticism *all* evangelism programs which incorporate a ""hurry-up"" + attitude. Pressured conversions may ultimately be worse than no + conversion at all (because the pressured convert realizes s/he was + coerced and disavows Christianity when they would have been open + to it in the future had they not been taken advantage of now). + The Bible states that it is the very Spirit of God which brings + conviction of wrong-doing to people. I am content to do my part + (witness) and let the Spirit do the rest. + +>We are _just_ animals. We need sleep, food, and we reproduce. And we +>die. + + We are far more than animals. We sleep, eat, reproduce, and die + just as other animals do - true. But, we are also capable of more + than this. If your personal vision of humanity (or of yourself) is + so limited, I can only hope and pray ;-) that you will someday find + a more expansive view. + + (For reflection, what animals have the wide variety of performing + arts that humans do? How is it that humans can learn the language + of other humans (or animals) but that other animals cannot do so? + How is it that humans can organize themselves in various social + structures whereas other animals have only one structure?) + +>Religion (especially Christianity) is nothing more than a DRUG. + + Blatant assertion. Christianity is not physically addictive. + Christianity is not psychologically addictive. Christianity is not + a *thing* which one snorts/ingests/shoots-up; it is a relationship + with a living being. You might as validly characterize any close- + knit relationship with this appelation. + +>Some people use drugs as an escape from reality. Christians inject +>themselves with jeezus and live with that high. + + There are ""Jesus freaks"" who let the emotional aspects of worship + and Christian living gain (and retain) the upper hand. Even so, + this does not by itself invalidate the foundation from which these + things flow. + +>It pities me how many millions of lives have been lost in religious +>wars, of which Christianity has had no small part. + + Guilty by association? That ""christianity"" which forces itself + upon another is not Christianity at all. + +>When Christians see a ""non-believer"", they say that person is blind +>to the truth, but they cannot realize that it is _they_ who live +>with this mask of fakeness each day. Jesus was just prophet #37696 +>who happened to have a large influence because at that time the Romans +>were (circa 69ad) dispersing the Jewish population and communities +>needed some sort of cohesive element to keep them strong in that time +>of dire need. + + You appear to have an amazing certainty about what really happened + 2000 years ago. How did you come by it? + + I cannot accept your conclusion that Jesus' influence was a sole + result of the Roman sack of Jerusalem in 70AD. He was 30+ years + gone by this time. It strains the bounds of credulity to assert + that nothing about Jesus' life was noteworthy _until_ the sack. + +>I must go. These are but a few of my thoughts on Christianity. + + Christianity is having a relationship with Jesus Christ Himself. + What do you know of Him? + + +We read the world wrong | Phil Buckland +and say that it deceives us. | psb@eece.ksu.edu +Tagore, from Stray Birds | psb@matt.ksu.ksu.edu +";17;True +"From: draper@gnd1.wtp.gtefsd.com (PAM DRAPER) +Subject: Any info. on Vasomotor Rhinitis +Organization: GTE Government Systems, Federal Systems Division, Chantilly, VA +Lines: 20 +Distribution: world +Reply-To: draper@gnd1.wtp.gtefsd.com +NNTP-Posting-Host: gnd1.wtp.gtefsd.com +News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4 + + + +I recently attended an allery seminar. Steroid Nasal sprays were +discussed. Afterward on a one-on-one basis, I asked the speaker what if +none of the Vancanese, Beconase, Nasalide, Nasalcort, or Nasalchrom work +nor do any oral decongestants work. She replied that she saw an article on +Vasomotor Rhinitis. That this is not an allergic reaction and that nothing +other than the Afrin's and such would work. (Which in my case is true). + +I want to find out as much as possible about this, since I am going to see +my allergist in May and want to be armed to the hilt with information; +since nothing he has done with me has helped me at all and I have had no +relief for 14 months. + +Please respond if you know anything about this and/or please let me know +what articles might be helpful that I could look up in the library. + + + + +";4;True +"From: smedley@ecst.csuchico.edu (Steven Medley) +Subject: 72-pin SIMMS, where? +Distribution: usa +Organization: California State University, Chico +Lines: 13 +NNTP-Posting-Host: pigface.ecst.csuchico.edu + +I am looking for a 8 meg 72-pin SIMM for my Centris 610. Where is the +best place to purchase one (stock, shipping, warrenty), and if +possible, phone numbers so that I can order one as soon as possible. + +Thanks, + +Steven + +-- +""And hope that there's intelligent life somewhere out in space"" Monty Python +"" 'Cause there's bugger all down here on Earth"" The Meaning of Life +----------------------------------------------------------------------------- +Steven Medley email to-> smedley@erasure.ecst.csuchico.edu +";0;True +"From: rpwhite@cs.nps.navy.mil (rpwhite) +Subject: Re: Catalog of Hard-to-Find PC Enhancements (Repost) +Organization: Naval Postgraduate School, Monterey +Distribution: usa +Lines: 35 + +Andy Freeman writes: +>Joe Doll writes: + +)>> ""The Catalog of Personal Computing Tools for Engineers and Scien- +)>> tists"" lists hardware cards and application software packages for +)>> PC/XT/AT/PS/2 class machines. Focus is on engineering and scien- +)>> tific applications of PCs, such as data acquisition/control, +)>> design automation, and data analysis and presentation. + +)>> If you would like a free copy, reply with your (U. S. Postal) +)>> mailing address. +>> +>> I am very interested in your catalog, but E-mail to you bounces. +> +>Don't bother - it never comes. It's a cheap trick for building a +>mailing list to sell if my junk mail flow is any indication. + +I have a copy of this catalog in front of me as I write this. +It does have tons of qool stuff in it. +My impression is that they try not to send it out to ""browsers"". It +appears that if your not a buyer or an engineer they do not want to +waste a catalog on you. When you get a catalog there's a ""VIP Code"" you +have to give them ""to ensure your continued subscription."". +Anyway, if you want to get in touch with them, the company is + +Personal Computing Tools +550 Division Street +Campbell, CA 95008 +(408) 378-8400 +(They also have fax #'s and toll free #'s for ordering and tech support) + +Please note that I am not associated with them in any way. In fact, I +have never ordered from them so I can't comment on their products or +service but the catalog is real and I am sitting here salivating over +it. +";8;True +"From: brian@lpl.arizona.edu (Brian Ceccarelli 602/621-9615) +Subject: Re: 14 Apr 93 God's Promise in 1 John 1: 7 +Organization: Lunar & Planetary Laboratory, Tucson AZ. +Lines: 89 + +In article bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig) writes: + +>I've asked your god several times with all my heart to come to me. I +>really wish I could believe in him, 'cos no matter how much confidence +>I build up on my own, the universe *is* a big place, and it would be +>so nice to know I have someone watching over me in it... + +Brian K., I am pleased with your honesty. And to be honest as well, I +believe you have not asked my god to come to you. Why do I say this? +Because by the things you write on the net, and the manner with which +you write them, you show me that you made up your own god and are +attempting to pass him off as the real thing. I got news for you. +Yours doesn't at all sound like mine. Your god doesn't come to you +because your god doesn't exist. + +>I've gone into this with an open mind. I've layed my beliefs aside +>from time to time when I've had doubt, and I've prayed to see what +>good that would do. I don't see what more I can do to open myself to +>your god, short of just deciding to believe for no good reason. And +>if I decide to believe for no good reason, why not believe in some +>other god? Zeus seems like a pretty cool candidate... + +I am sorry Brian, but when I read your postings, I do not see an open mind. +What I do see is misunderstanding, lack of knowledge, arrogance and mockery. + +>Please tell me what more I can do while still remaining true to myself. + +Be true to yourself then. Have an open mind. And so end the mockery. Gain +knowledge of the real God. Put your presumptions aside. Read the +Bible and know that there is, truly is, a reason for everything and +there exists a God that has so much love for you that the depth of it goes beyond +our shallow worldly experience. A person who commits himself +to seeking God, will find God. Jesus stands at your door and knocks. But a +person who half-heartedly opens the Bible, or opens it with purpose to find +something to mock, will find, learn and see nothing. The only thing one +will gain with that attitude is folly. + +Be careful to not jump the gun, for at first glance, there are many passages +in the Bible that will seem bizarre and absurd. Be assured that even +though they seem alien at first, be confident that they are not. +Be assured that beyond your present comprehension, there lies such +deep reasons that once you see them, you will indeed be satisfied. +I will personally guarantee that one. As Jesus put it, ""You will never +be thirsty again. Your cup will even flow over."" + + +From King Solomon (970 B.C. to 930 B.C.): + + ""It is the glory of God to conceal a matter; + to search out a matter is the glory of kings."" + + +Jesus says in John 6:44 & 55: + + ""No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him."" + + +And in John 3:16: + + ""For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, + that whosoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal + life."" + + +You are included in ""whosoever"". And I also pray that the Father is +drawing you, which it seems He is doing else you wouldn't be posting +to talk.religion.misc. Remember Brian, you could be a St. Paul in the +making. Paul not only mocked Christians as you do, but also had pleasure +stoning them. Yet God showed him mercy, saved him, and Paul became +on of the most celebrated men in the history of God's church. + +You see Brian, I myself better be careful and not judge you, because +you could indeed be the next Paul. For with the fervor that you attack +Christians, one day you might find yourself one, and like Paul, +proclaim the good news of Jesus with that very same fervor or more. + +Or you could be the next Peter. What Jesus said to Peter, Jesus would +probably say to you: ""Satan would surely like to have you."" Why so? +Because Peter was hard-headed, cynical and demonstrated great +moments of stupidity, but once Peter committed himself to a task +he did with full heart. Peter was the only apostle to have the +faith to walk on water as Jesus did. + +You asked ""Why not believe in Zeus?"" Zeus didn't offer eternal life. +You got nothing to gain by believing in Zeus. + +------------------------------- +Brian Ceccarelli +brian@gamma1.lpl.arizona.edu +";19;True +"From: pkortela@snakemail.hut.fi (Petteri Kortelainen) +Subject: Re: New Finnish Star is born? +Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland +Lines: 22 +Distribution: inet +NNTP-Posting-Host: lk-hp-17.hut.fi +In-reply-to: hahietanen@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi's message of Thu, 15 Apr 1993 09:40:41 GMT + +In article <1993Apr15.114041.1@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi> hahietanen@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi writes: + +>I saw yesterday on TV a game between Team Sweden and Team Finland. +>Most of us might know that it was played in Stockholm and the result +>was 4:3 for the home team. That's nothing very special... But I was +>very surprised of Saku Koivu. I must admit that he surprised me +>already in the Finnish playoffs. And now on team Finland! + +>Saku Koivu is a light weight player, if we consider his size: According +>to my stats he is only 172cm and 68kgs! And he is only 18! (23.11.74). +>But he is a real two-way player! Skates well, can score, gives nice +>passes, does even bodycheckings!!? He is really something to watch +>in the WC. + +>The size isn't always everything. Maybe we remember Harlamov... +>And they say that Saku is still growing up (3cm during last year)... + +Saku isn't that small any longer I guess I heard he is 177cm tall at the +moment and will still grow 6-8cm. + +Petteri Kortelainen + +";13;True +"From: skcgoh@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Shaw Goh) +Subject: 1.44Mb F/D WANTED +Organization: The University of Western Australia +Lines: 2 +NNTP-Posting-Host: tartarus.uwa.edu.au +X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 + +Subject says it all. Please email soon. +skcgoh@tartarus.uwa.edu.au +";5;True +"From: robink@hparc0.aus.hp.com (Robin Kenny) +Subject: Re: Boom! Whoosh...... +Organization: HP Australasian Response Centre (Melbourne) +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8.5] +Lines: 26 + +David Fuzzy Wells (wdwells@nyx.cs.du.edu) wrote: + +: I love the idea of an inflatable 1-mile long sign.... It will be a +: really neat thing to see it explode when a bolt (or even better, a +: Westford Needle!) comes crashing into it at 10 clicks a sec. + +: Whooooooooshhhhhh...... + +: + ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ + +Just a thought... (let's pretend it IS INFLATED and PRESSURIZED) wouldn't +there be a large static electricity build up around the puncture? +If the metalization is behind a clear sandwich (ie. insulated) then the +deflating balloon would generate electrical interference - ""noise"" + +By the way, any serious high velocity impact would simply cut a ""Bugs +Bunny"" hole through the wall, highly unlikely to ""BOOM"", and the fabric +would almost certainly be ripstop. + + +Regards, Robin Kenny - a private and personal opinion, not in any way + endorsed, authorised or known by my employers. + ______________________________________________________________________ + What the heck would I know about Space? I'm stuck at the + bottom of this huge gravity well! +";2;True +"From: garym@ie.utoronto.ca (Gary Murphy) +Subject: X on Amiga 4000? +Organization: University of Toronto, Department of Industrial Engineering +Lines: 12 + +I'm new to the hardware and with a mandate to port some X-based +stereo-video software --- does anyone know of or have experience with +X on Amiga machines? If I can retain the X event handling, it would +ease my plight considerably, and if I can keep all the Motif bits, so +much the better! + + +-- +Gary Lawrence Murphy ---------------- garym@virtual.rose.utoronto.ca +University of Toronto, Industrial Eng Dept fax: (416) 971-1373 +4 Taddle Creek Rd, Toronto, Ont M5S 1A4 voice: (416) 978-3776 +The true destination is always just here, now ---------------------- +";12;True +"From: Dan Wallach +Subject: FAQ: Typing Injuries (1/4): Changes since last month [monthly posting] +Supersedes: +Organization: University of California, Berkeley +Lines: 51 +Expires: 22 May 1993 04:18:16 GMT +Reply-To: Dan Wallach +NNTP-Posting-Host: elmer-fudd.cs.berkeley.edu +Summary: what's new and happening with Dan's FAQ and ftp archive +Originator: dwallach@elmer-fudd.cs.berkeley.edu + +Archive-name: typing-injury-faq/changes +Version: $Revision: 1.3 $ $Date: 1993/04/13 04:12:33 $ + +This file details changes to the soda.berkeley.edu archive and summarizes +what's new in the various FAQ (frequently asked questions) documents. +This will be posted monthly, along with the full FAQ to the various net +groups. The various mailing lists will either receive the full FAQ +every month, or every third month, but will always get this file, once +per month. Phew! + +============================================================================ +Changes to the Typing Injuries FAQ and soda.berkeley.edu archive, this month +============================================================================ + +a few new files on the soda.berkeley.edu archive + the TidBITS ""Caring for your wrists"" document + RSI Network #11 + Advice about ""adverse mechanical tension"" + More details about the new Apple keyboard + more info about carpal tunnel syndrome (carpal.explained) + more general info about RSI (rsi.details, rsi.physical) + + marketing info on the Vertical + MacWeek article the Bat + +new details on hooking a normal PC keyboard to an RS/6000 + +updated pricing info on the DataHand and Comfort + +Half-QWERTY now available for anonymous ftp on explorer.dgp.toronto.edu + +new GIF picutures! + The Apple Adjustable Keyboard + The Key Tronic FlexPro + another picture of the Kinesis + The Vertical + The Tony! + +============================================================================ + +If you'd like to receive a copy of the FAQ and you didn't find it in the +same place you found this document, you can either send e-mail to +dwallach@cs.berkeley.edu, or you can anonymous ftp to soda.berkeley.edu +(128.32.149.19) and look in the pub/typing-injury directory. + +Enjoy! + +-- +Dan Wallach ""One of the most attractive features of a Connection +dwallach@cs.berkeley.edu Machine is the array of blinking lights on the faces +Office#: 510-642-9585 of its cabinet."" -- CM Paris Ref. Manual, v6.0, p48. +";4;True +"From: smorris@sumax.seattleu.edu (Steven A. Morris) +Subject: Re: wife wants convertible +Organization: Addiction Studies Program, Seattle University +Lines: 15 +NNTP-Posting-Host: sumax.seattleu.edu + +If you hold off, there are a number of interesting convertibles coming +to market in the next few years. + +The new LeBaron will be based on the Mitsubishi Galant, which should +be an improvement over the current model. + +The new PL compact will have a convertible option (also a chrysler +product) + +Kia, makers of the Ford Festiva is planning a larger convertible. +-- +Steve Morris, M.A. : Internet: smorris@sumax.seattleu.edu +Addiction Studies Pgm : uucp :{uw-beaver,uunet!gtenmc!dataio}!sumax!smorris +Seattle University : Phone : (206) 296-5350 (dept) or 296-5351 (direct) +Seattle, WA 98122_____:________________________________________________________ +";10;True +"From: dnadams@nyx.cs.du.edu (Dean Adams) +Subject: Ariane v.56 Mission Data +Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci. +Lines: 114 + + + +ARIANESPACE FLIGHT 56 + +(Flight V.56 was originally intended to carry the Hughes HS-601 series +Galaxy IV satellite, but the payload was withdrawn just prior to flight.) + +The 56th Ariane launch is now scheduled to place the ASTRA 1C and ARSENE +satellites into an improved geostationary transfer orbit (GTO), with +inclination reduced to 5 degrees and apogee altitude increased by 150 km. +This will be the 28th launch of an Ariane 4 and the first in the 42L +configuration, with 2 liquid strap-on boosters (PAL). It will be launched +from the newly refurbished Ariane launch complex ELA 2, in Kourou - French +Guiana. + +The launch vehicle performance requirement for this mission is 3,147 kg +of which 2,944 kg represents the satellite mass. The total vehicle mass +at liftoff is 361,778 kg. + + +Required Orbit Characteristics: + Perigee Altitude ..... 200 km + Apogee Altitude ...... 36,160 km at injection + Inclination .......... 5 degrees + + +The Ariane 42L lift-off for Flight 56 is scheduled on Thursday, +April 29, 1993, as soon as possible within the following launch +window: + + Kourou Time GMT (04/30/93) Washington, DC + 21:52 - 22:50 00:52 - 01:50 20:52 - 21:50 + + +LAUNCH VEHICLE: + +Ariane 42L. This is a three-stage liquid fueled launcher with two liquid +fueled strap-on boosters. The first stage (L220) is built by Aerospatiale, +and is powered by 4 liquid fueled Viking V engines. The second stage (L33) +is built by MBB Erno and is powered by a single Viking IV engine. Both the +Viking IV and V engines are manufactured by SEP. The first and second stages +use a biliquid UH25/N2O4 fuel. The third stage (H10) is built by Aerospatiale, +and is powered by a cryogenic H2/O2 fueled HM-7B engine built by SEP. The two +strap-on boosters (PAL) are each powered by a Viking VI engine, also built +by SEP, which use the same biliquid fuel as the first and second stages. +The fully assembled launch vehicle stands 56 meters high on the pad. +It uses the Type 01 Ariane Short payload fairing. + + +Flight Profile: + + +02:21 Liquid strap-on booster jettison + +03:11 First stage separation + +03:18 Second stage ignition + +04:10 Fairing jettison + +05:21 Second stage separation + +05:26 Third stage ignition + +17:30 Third stage shutdown / orbit injection + +19:56 ASTRA 1C separation + +22:36 Cyclade adapter separation + +24:26 ARSENE separation + +28:47 End of Ariane mission 56 + + +PAYLOADS: + +ASTRA 1C is the third spacecraft in the fleet of ""Societe Europeenne +des Satellites"" to broadcast direct TV to homes all over Europe. +Built by Hughes, it will be the second HS-601 launched by Ariane. + + Total mass at lift-off .... 2,790 kg + Mass at GEO insertion ..... 1,700 kg + Dry mass .................. 1,180 kg + On-board power ............ 3,300 W (end of life) + Nominal lifetime .......... 15 years + Span of solar panels ...... 21 m + On-Orbit position ......... 19.2 degrees east, over Africa. + + Transmission capacity: + 34 channels in Ku-band, via 18 transponders. + + In-flight operations: + Solar array deployment ............ about 6 days after lift-off + First of 3 apogee motor firings ... about 40 hours after lift-off + at 4th apogee + + +ARSENE is the first spacecraft built by the European Space Industry +for the benefit of the world amateur radio community. + + Total mass at lift-off .... 154 kg + Mass at GEO insertion ..... 98 kg + Dry mass .................. 97 kg + On-board power ............ 42 W (end of life) + Nominal lifetime .......... 3 years + Spacecraft dimensions ..... 1.1m x .96m + Orbital parameters ........ 20000/36000 km, 0 inclination, period 17:30. + + Transmission capacity: + S-band: 1 transponder at 2.446 ghz + VHF/UHF: 145/435 mhz + + +LAUNCH COVERAGE: + +All Ariane missions are broadcast live via satellite from Kourou. +Coverage begins at 30 minutes before launch and continues until +all payloads have been deployed. This mission will likely be carried +in the US on Galaxy 6, however it could be Galaxy 7 or another satellite. +(What is the European satellite normally used for Ariane coverage?) + + +-{ Dean Adams }- + +";2;True +"From: rcollins@encore.com (Roger Collins) +Subject: Re: Top Ten Reasons Not to Aid Russians +Organization: Encore Computer Corporation +Nntp-Posting-Host: sysgem1.encore.com +Lines: 116 + +julie@eddie.jpl.nasa.gov (Julie Kangas) writes: +>In article rcollins@ns.encore.com (Roger Collins) writes: +>>julie@eddie.jpl.nasa.gov (Julie Kangas) writes: +>>|> Don't look at me. I want to send aid to Russia. Many other +>>|> conservatives do as well. +>>|> +>>Yes, it was Nixon who was most vocal about giving money to Russia. It +>>makes me proud to be a libertarian. It appears both conservatives and +>>liberals prefer to cold war until you win, then nurse the enemy back to +>>health for another go around. + +>Enemy? Sounds like that's the viewpoint of the stereotypical rednecked +>conservative -- 'always been commies, always will be.' + +OK, I should have said ""former"" enemy. I was being sarcastic about what +interventionists want to do. + +>I suggest you +>listen very carefully to the stuff Yeltsin and his people are saying +>and compare that with the very anti-West slogans coming from his +>opponents in the Russian congress. I sure know who I want to back. + +Could we back him without forcing others to back him at the point of a +gun? + +Have you considered a non-interventionist policy? If market reform does +happen, Russia will certainly get *private* capital at *private* risk to +help their economy. They will even have incentive to do so for the same +reason. If they don't reform, then our government will probably +consider them enemies anyway and rather spend money to hurt rather than help +them. + +Then their's the ideological point. We want to ""win"" Russia over to +our type of government -- a type where the rulers can rule without limit +over everyone's finances? + +>>It's like subsidizing the wealthy countries (Japan, Germany, etc.) with +>>free defense, and then trade-warring with them because of the economic +>>competition. It's like subsidizing tobacco farmers while paying +>>bureaucrats to pursuade people not to smoke. + +>Better to let them degenerate into civil war? Remember all those +>nuclear weapons in Russia. I cannot imagine that they would not +>be used in a civil war. If nationialists take over and, even if +>they prevent a civil war, most feel they must take back large +>parts of land that are in other countries (like Ukraine.) I also cannot +>imagine Ukraine giving up land without a fight, possibly nuclear. + +>How does this affect us? Well, we are on the same planet and if +>vast tracks of Europe are blown away I think we'd feel something. +>A massive breakup of a country that spans 1/6th the planet is +>bound to have affects here. (Of course, there is also the +>humanitarian argument that democracies should help other +>democracies (or struggling democracies).) + +If a $1.6 billion gift was that important to our well being, couldn't it +be raised voluntarilly? People already give over $100 billion a year to +charity. + +>> +>>I ask myself, what law could we pass to prevent government from doing +>>stupid, frivilous things with OUR money? Then I think, the Constitution +>>was supposed to do that. Could someone please tell me what legitimate +>>constitutional power the federal government is using when it takes money +>>from my paycheck and gives it to needy countries? Seriously. + +>Seriously. Everyone has different opinions on what is stupid. +>My two ""causes"" are aid to Russia and a strong space program. +>Someone else will champion welfare or education or doing studies +>of drunken goldfish. That is why we have a republic and not a +>true democracy. Instead of gridlock on a massive scale, we +>only have gridlock on a congressional scale. + +It seems instead of gridlock on any scale, we have aid to Russia, +expensive space programs, national charity that doesn't help the poor, +and probably, studies of drunken goldfish. I think *limited* government +is more key than how democratic it is. + +>BTW, who is to decide 'stupid?' This is just like those who +>want to impose their 'morals' on others -- just the sort of +>thing I thought Libertarians were against. + +That was an opinion, and libertarians are very big on free speech. + +>Actually, my politics are pretty Libertarian except on this one issue +>and this is why it is impossible for me to join the party. It seems +>that Libertarians want to withdraw from the rest of the world and +>let it sink or swim. + +If you are pretty libertarian except on this one issue then you should +be VERY libertarian. Consider it a compromise. How much money would +your fellow Russia-aiders have to give to Russia if those you oppose +weren't using the same government machine to steal money from you +and your group for causes you don't support? + +>We could do that 100 years ago but not now. + +People have been saying that for hundreds of years. + +>Like it or not we are in the beginnings of a global economy and +>global decision making. + +All the more reason to depend on the free market which can more +efficiently process information, than to depend on rulers for decisions +on complex issues. + +>Julie +>DISCLAIMER: All opinions here belong to my cat and no one else + +Roger Collins + +Sometimes it is said that man cannot be trusted with the government +of himself. Can he, then, be trusted with the government of others? +Or have we found angels in the forms of kings to govern him? Let +history answer this question. + -- Thomas Jefferson, First Inaugural Address +";18;True +"From: leech@cs.unc.edu (Jon Leech) +Subject: Space FAQ 07/15 - Astronomical Mnemonics +Supersedes: +Organization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill +Lines: 95 +Distribution: world +Expires: 6 May 1993 19:57:55 GMT +NNTP-Posting-Host: mahler.cs.unc.edu +Keywords: Frequently Asked Questions + +Archive-name: space/mnemonics +Last-modified: $Date: 93/04/01 14:39:14 $ + +ASTRONOMICAL MNEMONICS (This is the last FAQ section posted to sci.astro) + + Gathered from various flurries of mnemonic postings on sci.astro. + + Spectral classification sequence: O B A F G K M R N S + + Oh Be A Fine Girl Kiss Me Right Now, Sweetheart. (a classic) + + O'Dell's Big Astronomical Fiasco Gonna Kill Me Right Now Surely + Obese Balding Astronomy Found Guilty; Killed Many Reluctant + Nonscience Students. + Octopus Brains, A Favorite Gastronomical Kitchen Menu, + Requires No Sauce + Odd Ball Astronomers Find Generally Kooky Mnemonics + Really Nifty Stuff + Oh Big And Ferocious Gorilla, Kill My Roomate Next Saturday + Oh Boy, A Flash! Godzilla Kills Mothra! Really Not Surprising! + Oh Boy, An F Grade Kills Me + On Bad Afternoons Fermented Grapes Keep Mrs. Richard Nixon Smiling + On, Backward Astronomer, Forget Geocentricity; Kepler's Motions + Reveal Nature's Simplicity + Our Bad Astronomy Faculty Gets Killed Monday + Oven Baked Ants, Fried Gently, Kept Moist, Retain Natural Succulence + Overseas Broadcast: A Flash! Godzilla kills Mothra! + (Rodan Named Successor) + Overweight Boys and Fat Girls Keep Munching + Only Bored Astronomers Find Gratification Knowing Mnemonics + Oh Bloody Astronomy! F Grades Kill Me + + Order of the planets: + + Sun + Mercury + Venus + Earth (Terra) + Mars + (Asteroids) + Jupiter + Saturn + Uranus + Neptune + Pluto + + My Very Earnest Mother Just Served Us Nine Pizzas + Mother Very Thoughtfully Made A Jelly Sandwich Under No Protest + My Very Erotic Mate Joyfully Satisfies Unusual Needs Passionately + Men Very Easily Make Jugs Serve Useful Nocturnal Purposes + Man Very Early Made A Jug Serve Useful Noble Purposes + My Very Educated Mother Just Showed Us Nine Planets + My Very Eager Mother Just Showed Us Nine Planets + My Very Exhausted Mother hAs Just Swept Up a Planetary Nebula + Most Voters Earn Money Just Showing Up Near Polls + My Very Educated Mother Just Served Us Nine Pizza-pies + Many Viscious Elephants Made John, Suzy and Uncle Need Protection + Solar Mass Very Easily Makes All Jupiter's Satellites Undergo + Numerous Perturbations. + + Mein Vater erklaert mir jeden Sonntag unsere niedlichen Planeten + (My Father explains to me every Sunday our nine planets) + Man verachte einen Menschen in seinem Unglueck nie -- Punkt + (Never scorn/despise a person in his misfortune/bad luck/misery + -- period!) + + Colors of the spectrum: Red Orange Yellow Green Blue Indigo Violet + ROY G. BIV (pronounce as a man's name) + Richard Of York Gave Battle In Vain + Read Out Your Good Book In Verse + + Galilean Satellite of Jupiter: Io Europa Ganymede Callisto + I Expect God Cries + I Eat Green Cheese + I Embarrass Good Christians + + Ich erschrecke all guten Christen + (I scare all good Christians) + + Saturnian Satellites + MET DR THIP + Miriam's Enchiladas Taste Divine Recently. Tell Her I'm Proud. + (Mimas, Enceladus, Tethys, Dione, Rhea, Titan, Hyperion, + Iapetus, Phoebe) + + Uranian Satellites: + MAUTO + Mispronunciations Afflict Uranus Too Often + My Angel Uriel Takes Opium + (Miranda, Ariel, Umbriel, Titania, Oberon) + +NOTE: the remaining FAQ sections do not appear in sci.astro, as they cover + material of relevance only to sci.space. + +NEXT: FAQ #8/15 - Contacting NASA, ESA, and other space agencies/companies +";2;True +"From: ricky@watson.ibm.com (Rick Turner) +Subject: Re: M-MOTION VIDEO CARD: YUV to RGB ? +Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM. +Nntp-Posting-Host: danebury.hursley.ibm.com +Organization: IBM UK Labs +Lines: 3 + +I'll contact you offline about this. + +Rick +";1;True +"From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) +Subject: Re: National Sales Tax, The Movie +Organization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department +Lines: 27 + +In article atboyken@iastate.edu (Aaron T Boyken) writes: +> +>If the VAT will be done in the same way that state and local sales +>taxes are done, nothing will be on the sticker. The cleark ringing +>up your purchase (gum, gas, car, etc.) will hit a button to add +>another 5% on top of the state and local sales taxes (and that won't +>include any of the VAT from previous levels of sales). +> + +There is no need to include the VAT from previous levels because +the VAT is a ""difference"" tax...if the VAT is X%, than the amount +of tax the government receives through all the levels is X% of +the purchase price of the end consumer. At the intervening levels, +only the difference between the VAT paid out and the VAT received +is remitted to the government. + +>Here's a question: what if, instead of a true VAT, the federal +>government imposed a sales tax of say 2-3%? The tax would only +>be paid on retail sales (thus not building up at all levels of +>production costs that are just passed on to consumers anyway), +>and would only go to reducing the deficit. (I know that this +>would never happen, but it seems a lot more palettable than +>a VAT). + +A VAT is infinitely preferable to a retail sails tax... + +Gerald +";18;True +"From: cjhs@minster.york.ac.uk +Subject: Xt intrinsics: slow popups +Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England +Lines: 19 +Keywords: + +Help: I am running some sample problems from O'Reilly volume 4, +Xt Intrisics Programming Manual, chapter 3. popup +dialog boxes and so on. + +In example 3.5, page 76 : ""Creating a pop-up dialog box"" + +The application creates window with a button ""Quit"" and ""Press me"". +The button ""Press me"" pops up a dialog box. The strange feature of +this program is that it always pops up the dialog box much faster the +first time. If I try to pop it up a 2nd time (3rd, 4th .... time), +it is *much* slower. + +Has anyone any experience with these sample programs, or why I get +this behaviour - fast response time for the first time but slow response +time from 2nd time onwards ? +Anyone can give me some ideas on how to program popups so that each time +they popup in reasonable fast response time ? + +Thankyou - Shirley +";12;True +"From: mueck@.adsdesign.analog.com (Mick Mueck) +Subject: Re: OK to set 54 lbs on top of Centris 610??? +Reply-To: mueck@.adsdesign.analog.com +Organization: Analog Devices, Inc. +Lines: 14 + +I had the same question for my 55lb NEC 5FG monitor. The Apple guy said that +their 50lb 16"" monitor is OK to put ontop of the Centris and had no coment +beyond that. I was going to just put the NEC on the box but then I got to +thinking - the monitor has a small tilt/swivel base so maybe the weight +would be more concentrated than with Apple's (I don't know the area of the +base of their tilt/swivel). Additionally, the CDROM drive is in the middle. +So I cut a piece of 3/8"" thick wood to about 16.25"" x 12"", covered it in a +cream covered cloth, and used it as a buffer layer between the Centris's top +and the monitor!! + +Mick Mueck mick.mueck@analog.com + + **************** I HATE *CHIPSOFT'S* MacINTAX ******************* + +";0;True +"From: cs89mcd@brunel.ac.uk (Michael C Davis) +Subject: Re: When are two people married in God's eyes? +Organization: Brunel University, Uxbridge, UK +Lines: 62 + +Robert Anderson (randerso@acad1.sahs.uth.tmc.edu) wrote: +: I would like to get your opinions on this: when exactly does an engaged +: couple become ""married"" in God's eyes? Some say that if the two have +: publically announced their plans to marry, have made their vows to God, and +: are unswervingly committed to one another (I realize this is a subjective +: qualifier) they are married/joined in God's sight. + +The way I read Scripture, a couple becomes married when they are *physically* +married, i.e. when they first have sexual intercourse. + +e.g. the end of Genesis 2 (quoted from memory) ``for this reason, a man shall +leave his parents and be joined to his wife, and they will become one flesh'' +(Jesus also quotes this scripture referring to marriage). + +If you read through Genesis in particular, you will often come across the +phraseology: ``[man] lay with [woman], and she became his wife''. This +implies that she became his wife when they lay together, i.e. at the +point of intercourse. + +Compare this with Jewish tradition: Joseph, when he heard that Mary +was pregnant, had it in mind to divorce her quietly -- but Mary and Joseph were +*betrothed*, not married. i.e., they were in a binding relationship (which +required a divorce to get out of), but *marriage* would not occur until Mary +and Joseph went to bed together. + +Compare with Christ and the Church (Ephesians 5, Revelation 19): the church is +described as the ``bride'' of Christ, but the *marriage* of the Lamb takes +place when Jesus returns. i.e., we are in a binding love-relationship with +Jesus, but we are still looking forward to the time when the marriage will +take place. I see this as the spiritual equivalent of sexual intercourse, +because it represents the most intimate fellowship possible between man and God. + +In summary, engagement should be honoured as a binding relationship, but it is +not marriage. A civil ceremony is not marriage either. Marriage occurs at the +point when the betrothed couple go to bed together. (I don't mean to demean the +civil or church ceremony -- ours was great! I don't mean to be too pedantic.) +Historically, I think I am correct in stating that the civil ceremony (i.e. a +marriage recognised by the state), has only been around in the West since +Napoleon, who introduced it to keep tabs on the people (although I'm ready to be +corrected on that point!) + +This view obviously raises some questions: + +What about those who have had sex with one or more partners, without considering +marriage. Are those people also ``married''? + +If it is true that marriage occurs at the point of intercourse, is it necessary +to be married in the eyes of the state? (I would say Yes, because this honours +the laws of our nations in the West. Although it is not illegal to sleep +together though unmarried in most Western countries, I believe that it is God- +honouring to proclaim our marriage to the state and to our friends before +actually consummating our marriage. Its to do with our being salt and light, and +also to do with how people will perceive us; i.e. it is culturally insensitive +to declare yourself married without going through a civil ceremony.) + +-- + +----- +Michael Davis (cs89mcd@brunel.ac.uk) + + And hast thou slain the Jabberwock? + Come to my arms, my beamish boy! +";17;True +"From: ryvg90@email.sps.mot.com (Koji Kodama) +Subject: >>>WANTED: Your opinions on the Insight Talon TA-1000 or TA-2000 Multimedia kits<<< +Nntp-Posting-Host: 223.7.248.49 +Organization: Motorola Inc, Austin, Texas +Lines: 47 + + +For those of you who might be familiar with Insight Distribution + Network, Inc. and their Multimedia Kits: + +I'm seriously considering buying the Insight Talon TA-2000 MM Kit, which +is bundled with the CD-ROM drive with 265-280ms access time, 300Kb dtr, +multispin, multi-session Photo CD capability, etc., and with the PAS-16 +sound card, etc.... (if you are familiar with Insight, you know the kit +I mean). I believe the drive is either a Texel (265ms) or an NEC +(280ms), but it is not clear to me which one is actually a part of the +bundle (at least two of their sales people couldn't give me a straight +answer as to which one; ah, yes, one of the drawbacks of OEM!). + +Other questions: + +- Excuse my ignorance, but is ""Texel"" a reputable maker in the CD-ROM + market? Or do you think NEC is the better drive? + +- Bottom line: Is this kit worth the money? (Currently, $449 for the + TA-1000, and $699 for the TA-2000) + +Alternatively, I was thinking that the TA-2000 might be overkill for my +uses (however, I *do* want full multimedia capabilities, Photo CD stuff, +educational programs for my kids, etc.), and considered the lower-end +TA-1000 kit and using the difference (around $250.00) to get something +else useful, like a tape back-up drive unit. + +Basically, I would just like to hear from those who have actually USED +these kits, and whatever pros/cons you might advise, preferably +directly to the email address below. + +Thanks, + +Koji + + 2 + _/ + ~~~~~~~~~~_/~~~~~~~~~~_/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ + | _/ _/ | Koji Kodama | + | by _/ _/ | Nippon Motorola Ltd. | + | _/ _/ | ryvg90@email.sps.mot.com | + | _/ _/ |~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| + | _/_/ _/ | NOTE: The opinions expressed herein | + | _/ _/ | are mine, and do not reflect the opinions | + | _/ _/ |or policies of Motorola Inc. or its affiliates.| + ~~_/~~~~~~~~~~_/~~~~~_/~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ + _/_/_/ +";5;True +"From: mccoy@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Jim McCoy) +Subject: Re: Fifth Amendment and Passwords +Reply-To: mccoy@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Jim McCoy) +Organization: The University of Texas - Austin +Lines: 53 +NNTP-Posting-Host: tramp.cc.utexas.edu +Originator: mccoy@tramp.cc.utexas.edu + + +In article <1993Apr19.180049.20572@qualcomm.com>, karn@unix.ka9q.ampr.org (Phil Karn) writes: +> In article <1993Apr18.233112.24107@colnet.cmhnet.org>, res@colnet.cmhnet.org (Rob Stampfli) writes: +> |> >Sadly, it does not. Suspects can be compelled to give handwriting and +> |> >voice exemplars, and to take blood and DNA tests. +> |> +> |> I am sure that Mike is correct on this point. I am also pretty sure that +> |> administering ""truth serum"" would be ruled a violation of your right +> |> not to incriminate yourself. But, what is the salient difference? +> +> You can find the salient difference in any number of 5th amendment +> related Supreme Court opinions. The Court limits 5th amendment +> protections to what they call ""testimonial"" evidence, as opposed to +> physical evidence. + +I have a question that is a slight variation on the previously mentioned +examples that perhaps people could give me some pointers on (it has been a +couple of years since my Con Law class in college so I hope I am not +missing something obvious here...) + +Basic Scenario: + + I set up a bbs that uses public-key encryption and encryption of + files on disk. The general setup is designed so that when users + connect they send a private key encrypted using the system public + key and the user's public-private keypair is used to wrap the + one-time session keys used for encrypting the files on disk. The + result of this is that even if I reveal the system private key it + is impossible for anyone to gain access to the files stored on the + machine. What is possible is for someone to use the revealed + system private key to entice users into revealing thier personal + private keys during the authentication sequence. + +Questions: + + Does the fact that the system private key does not provide any + information useful for a search give me any protection as far as + being coerced to reveal the key? (I doubt it myself..) + + It seems providing the system private key does not mean that I am + assisting in ""entrapment"" (the users would send thier key anyway + and are not being enticed into doing something they would not + otherwise do) but is there any other hook that can be used? + + Would the user private-key enticement require wiretap approval? + +Any answers or general musings on the subject would be appreciated... + +jim +-- +Jim McCoy | UT Unix Sysadmin Tiger Team +mccoy@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu | #include +j-mccoy@nwu.edu | pgp key available via finger or upon request +";16;True +"From: wsa@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Warren S. Arbogast) +Subject: Re: Spelling Error on the Stanley Cup?? +Organization: University of Virginia +Lines: 24 + +r_turgeo@oz.plymouth.edu writes: +> I was reading a newspaper tidbit that mentioned that there is a +> grammatical error on the Stanley Cup. This newspaper, ""The +> Union Leader"" (Manchester, New Hampshire), stated that one of the +> years that the New York Islanders won the cup, the printing on the +> actual cup stated ""New York Ilanders"". Can anyone verify this?? I +> forgot the exact year that this supposedly occured. Any die-hard +> Islander fans know about this?? The reason why I am asking is +> because the paper is not very reliable, we call it ""The Union +> Mis-leader"". +> +> +> Randy +> Plymouth State College +> r_turgeo@oz.plymouth.edu + +Speaking of spelling errors on the Cup, I wonder if the ""h"" in +Pittsburgh made it to the Cup. You know how funny people can +be about spelling Pittsburgh. +-- +Warren Arbogast +Darden Visual Communications ""with 10 miles behind them +University of Virginia and 10,000 more to go"" + +";13;True +"From: sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com (Gary Merrill) +Subject: Re: Science and methodology (was: Homeopathy ... tradition?) +Originator: sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com +Nntp-Posting-Host: theseus.unx.sas.com +Organization: SAS Institute Inc. +Lines: 55 + + +In article <1993Apr16.155919.28040@cs.rochester.edu>, fulk@cs.rochester.edu (Mark Fulk) writes: + +|> Flights of fancy, and other irrational approaches, are common. The crucial +|> thing is not to sit around just having fantasies; they aren't of any use +|> unless they make you do some experiments. I've known a lot of scientists +|> whose fantasies lead them on to creative work; usually they won't admit +|> out loud what the fantasy was, prior to the consumption of a few beers. +|> +|> (Simple example: Warren Jelinek noticed an extremely heavy band on a DNA +|> electrophoresis gel of human ALU fragments. He got very excited, hoping that +|> he'd seen some essential part of the control mechanism for eukaryotic +|> genes. This fantasy led him to sequence samples of the band and carry out +|> binding assays. The result was a well-conserved, 400 or so bp, sequence + +But why do you characterize this as a ""flight of fancy"" or a ""fantasy""? +While I am unfamiliar with the scientific context here, it appears obvious +that his speculation (for lack of a better or more neutral word) was +at least in significant part a consequence of his knowledge of and acceptance +of current theory coupled with his observations. It would appear that +something quite rational was going on as he attempted to fit his observation +into that theory (or to tailor the theory to cover the observation). This +does not seem like an example of what most would normally call a flight of +fancy or a fantasy. + +|> +|> It is not clear to me what you mean by rational vs. irrational. Perhaps +|> you can give a few examples of surprising experiments that were tried out +|> for perfectly rational reasons, or interesting new theories that were first +|> advanced from logical grounds. The main examples I can think of are from +|> modern high-energy physics which is not typical of science as a whole. + +Well, I think someone else in this thread was the first to use the word (also, +""extra-scientific"", etc.). Nor am I prepared to give a general account of +rationality. In terms of examples, there is some danger of beginning to quibble +over what a ""surprising"" experiment is, what counts as ""surprising"", etc. +The same may be said about ""logical grounds"". My point is that quite frequently +(perhaps even most frequently) the roots of a new theory can be traced to +previously existing theories (or even to previously rejected hypotheses of +some other theory or domain). I would offer some rather well known examples +such as Toricelli's Puy de Dome experiment done for the sake of his ""sea of air"" +hypothesis. Was this theory (and the resulting experimental test) ""surprising""? +Well, given the *prior* explanations of the phenomena involved it certainly must +be counted as so. Was the theory constructed (and the experiment designed) +out of ""perfectly rational grounds""? Well, there was a pretty successful and +well know theory of fluids. The analogy to fluids by Toricelli is explicit. +The novelty was in thinking of air as a fluid (but this was *quite* a novelty +at the time). Was the theory interesting? Yes. Was it ""new""? Well, one +could argue that it was merely the extension of an existing theory to a new +domain, but I think this begs certain questions. We can debate that if you +like. +-- +Gary H. Merrill [Principal Systems Developer, C Compiler Development] +SAS Institute Inc. / SAS Campus Dr. / Cary, NC 27513 / (919) 677-8000 +sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com ... !mcnc!sas!sasghm +";4;True +"From: pky@fmg.bt.co.uk (Pete Young) +Subject: Re: For JOHS@dhhalden.no (3) - Last +Organization: British Telecom +X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 +Lines: 23 + +Nick Pettefar (npet@bnr.ca) wrote: + +: Tsk, tsk, tsk. Another newbie bites the dust, eh? They'll learn. + +Newbie. Sorry to disappoint you, but as far as the Internet goes I was +in Baghdad while you were still in your dads bag. + +Most of the people who made this group interesting 3 or 4 years ago +are no longer around and I only have time to make a random sweep +once a week or so. Hence I missed most of this thread. + +Based on your previous postings, apparently devoid of humour, sarcasm, +wit, or the apparent capacity to walk and chew gum at the same time, I +assumed you were serious. Mea culpa. + +Still, it's nice to see that BNR are doing so well that they can afford +to overpay some contractors to sit and read news all day. + + +-- + ____________________________________________________________________ + Pete Young pky@fmg.bt.co.uk Phone +44 473 227151 + ""Most people prefer entertaining nonsense to unexciting reality"" +";7;True +"From: Daniel.Prince@f129.n102.z1.calcom.socal.com (Daniel Prince) +Subject: Acutane, Fibromyalgia Syndrome and CFS +Lines: 11 + + To: nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu (David Nye) + +There is a person on the FIDO CFS echo who claims that he was +cured of CFS by taking accutane. He also claims that you are +using it in the treatment of Fibromyalgia Syndrome. Are you +using accutane in the treatment of Fibromyalgia Syndrome? Have +you used it for CFS? Have you gotten good results with it? Are +you aware of any double blind studies on the use of accutane in +these conditions? Thank you in advance for all replies. + +... I think they should rename Waco TX to Wacko TX! +";4;True +"From: db7n+@andrew.cmu.edu (D. Andrew Byler) +Subject: The Nicene Creed (was Re: MAJOR VIEWS OF THE TRINITY) +Organization: Freshman, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA +Lines: 152 + +Michael Bushnell writes; + +>The so-called Creed of Athanasius, however, has always been a Western +>creed, and has always had the filioque. The Orthodox have said that +>they accept all that it says, with the exception of the filioque, but +>it is not ""in use."" + +Which is exactly what I pointed out. (Though I was wrong about your use +of the Creed, the 1913 Catholic Encylcopedia in which I read about it +said the Orthodox do use the Creed minus the filioque. Apparently that +has changed.) The Athanasian Creed has always had the Filioque, the +Nicene - Constantinopolitan did not. + Of course the Orthodox did not delete the Filioque from the Nicene +Creed (it wasn't there to begin with), but they certainly did from the +Athanasian Creed, which did have it from the beginning. + I might point out that the whole problem started over the difference in +ways of explaining the generation of the Blessed Trinity, the East +emphasizing the idea of the Holy Spirit proceeding from the Father +through the Son, and the West using proceeding from the Father and the +Son. In fact, some, such as Tertullian, used both formulations (see +below) + + ""Following, therefore, the form of these examples, I profess that I do +call God and His Word, - the Father and and His Son, - two. For the +root and the stem are two things, but conjoined; the fountain and the +river are two kinds, but indivisible; the sun and the ray are two forms, +but coherent ones. Anything which proceeds from another must +necessarily be a second to that from which it proceeds; but it is not on +that account separated from it. Where there is second, however, there +are two; and where ther is third, there are three. The Spirit, then, is +third from God and the Son, just as the third from the root is the fruit +of the stem, and third from the fountain is the stream from the river, +and thrid from the sun is the apex of the ray."" + -Tertullian, Against Praxeas, 8, 5 (about 213 AD) + +and + + ""I believe that the Spirit proceeds not otherwise than from the Father +through the Son"" + -Tertullian, Against Praxeas, 4, 1 (about 213 AD) + +And as St. Thomas showed in his Summa Theologica Part 1, Question 36, +Articles 2 and 3, there is no contradiction between the two methods of +generation, and in fact, the two methods of reckoning the procession +emphasize what St. Augustine, among others taught, that the Holy Spirit +proceeds from the Father and the Son, but He proceeds from the Father in +a more preeminent way. + + ""For whatever the Son has, He has from the Father, certainly He has it +from the Father that the Holy Spirit proceeds from Him ... For the +Father alone is not from another, for which reason He alone is called +unbegotten, not, indeed, in the Scriptures, but in the practice of +theologians, and of those who employ such terms as they are able in a +matter so great. The Son, however, is born of the Father; and the Holy +Spirit proceeds principally from the Father, and since the Father gives +to the Son all that He has without any interval of time, the Holy Spirit +proceeds jointly from both Father and Son. He would be called Son of +the Father and of the Son if, which is abhorent to everyone of sound +mind, they had both begotten Him. The Spirit was not begotten by each, +however, but proceeds from each and both."" + -St. Augustine of Hippo, The Trinity, 15, 26, 47 (400 to 416 AD) + +So, in a sense, all of the formulations are correct (to the West at +least), because the Holy Spirit proceeds from both Father and Son, but +in proceeding from the Son, the orgin of that procession is the +procession from the Father, so the Holy Spirit is proceeding from the +Father through the Son, but as all that the Son has is from the Father, +the Holy Spirit can be said to proceed from the Father, without any +mention of the Son being necessary. + In any case, I am happy to know that I follow in the beliefs of Pope +St. Leo I, St. Fulgence of Ruspe, St. Cyril of Alexandria, Pope St. +Damsus I, St. Augustine of Hippo, St. Epiphanius of Salamis, St. Ambrose +of Milan, St. Hilary of Poitiers, Tertullian, and others among the +Fathers, who all have very quotable quotes supporting the Catholic +position, which I enunciated above. + As for the issue of the adoption of another Creed being forbidden, I +will point out that the Holy Fathers of Ephesus and Chalcedon both spoke +of the Creed of Nicea in their statement forbidding anyone ""to produce, +write, or compose a confession of faith other than the one defined by +the Fathers of Nicea."" That Creed is a different Creed than that of +Constantinople, which is commonly called the Nicene Creed. Not of +course in that they were condemning the adoption of the +Constantinopolitan Creed, which is but an enlargement upon the Creed of +Nicea, but that they were condemning the impious opinions of Nestorious, +who had adopted a radically different Creed from the one used by the +Church, which among other things denied the procession of the Holy +Spirit form the Son. Thus, the additions of the Constantinopolitan +Creed were not thought to be in violation of this, and as the Council +Chalcedon also affirmed the doctrine of the procession of the Holy +Spirit from the Son, which Nestorius denied, they could hardly have been +against explaining in a fuller way the Creed, for they themselves +approved of previous additions to it. And if the further explanations +of the Creed made in Constantinople were not denigrating of the work +done by the Holy Fathers of Nicea or in any way heretical, it follows +that the Council of Toledo was fully able to add what was not disputed +by the faithful to the Creed so as to combat the impieties of the Arians +in Spain, because the filioque was not in dispute in the Church until +many years later under Photius and others. And that the filioque was +not disputed, I provide more quotes below. + + ""Since the Holy Spirit when he is in us effects our being conformed to +God, and he actually proceeds from the Father and Son, it is abundantly +clear that He is of the divine essence, in it in essence and proceeding +from it."" + -St. Cyril of Alexandria, The Treasury of the Holy and Consubstantial +Trinity, Thesis 34, (423-425 AD) + + ""The Holy Spirit is not of the Father only, or of the Son only, but he +is the Spirit of the Father and the Son. For it is written: `If anyone +loves the world, the Spirit of the Father is not in him'; and again it +is written: `If anyone, however, does not have the Spirit of Christ, he +is none of His.' When the Father and the Son are named in this way, the +Holy Spirit is understood, of whom the Son himself says in the Gospel, +that the Holy Spirit `proceeds from the Father,' and that `He shall +receive of mine and shall announce it to you.'"" + -Pope St. Damasus I, The Decree of Damasus, 1 (382 AD) + + ""The only-begotten Holy Spirit has neither the name of the Son nor the +appelation of Father, but is called Holy Spirit, and is not foreign to +the Father. For the Only-begotten Himself calls Him: `the Spirit of the +Father,' and says of Him the `He proceeds from the Father,' and `will +receive of mine,' so that He is reckoned as not being foreign to the +Son, but is of their same substance, of the same Godhead; He is Spirit +divine, ... of God, and He is God. For he is Spirit of God, Spirit of +the Father, and Spirit of the Son, not by some kind of synthesis, like +soul and body in us, but in the midst of Father and Son of the Father +and of the Son, a third by appelation.... + ""The Father always existed and the Son always existed, and the Spirit +breathes from the Father and the Son; and neither is the Son created nor +is the Spirit created."" + -St. Epiphanius of Salamis (which is on Cyprus), The Man Well-Anchored, +8 and 75 (374 AD) + + ""Concerning the Holy Spirit, I ought not to remain silent, nor yet is +it necessary to speak. Still, on account of those who do not know Him, +it is not possible for me to be silent. However it is necessary to +speak of Him who must be acknowledged, who is from the Father and the +Son, His Sources."" + -St. Hilary of Poitiers, The Trintiy, 2, 29 (356 to 359 AD) + + Thus, as I have pointed out before, Gaul, Spain, Italy, Africa, Egypt, +Palastine, and the lands of the Greeks, all of Christnedom at that time, +all have Fathers who can be cited to show that they confess the doctrine +expressed by the filioque. I suggest to those of the Orthodox Church +that they come up with some of the Fathers, besides St. John of Damascus +who all will admit denied the filioque, to support their views. It is +not enough to bring up the ""proceeds from the Father"" line of the Creed +or the Gospel of John, for that says what we believe also. But it does +not say the Holy Spirit does not proceed from the Son, only that He does +proceed from the Father. + +Andy Byler +";17;True +"From: scott@asd.com (Scott Barman) +Subject: Re: Jewish Baseball Players? +Organization: American Software Development Corp., West Babylon, NY +Lines: 16 + +In article <15APR93.14691229.0062@lafibm.lafayette.edu> VB30@lafibm.lafayette.edu (VB30) writes: +>Just wondering. A friend and I were talking the other day, and +>we were (for some reason) trying to come up with names of Jewish +>baseball players, past and present. We weren't able to come up +>with much, except for Sandy Koufax, (somebody) Stankowitz, and +>maybe John Lowenstein. Can anyone come up with any more. I know +>it sounds pretty lame to be racking our brains over this, but +>humor us. Thanks for your help. + +Wasn't Ron Bloomberg, the former Yankee who got the first base hit +by a Designated Hitter, Jewish?? +-- +scott barman | Mets Mailing List (feed the following into your shell): +scott@asd.com | mail mets-request@asd.com < cubrj@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Brian Johnson) writes: +>Well now that the hawks have won the division the road is a little +>easier for the playoffs. Let toronto and detroit beat the hell out of +>each other while Chicago sweeps st.louis. That just makes it easier in + ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ +>brian +> + Don't be so sure, the Blues played the Hawks pretty well this season, +and won twice at the Stadium. The Blues will give the Hawks a hard time. +This series is one of the best first round matchups, could go either way. +The Hawks will probably prevail in seven games. + + %*%*%*%**%*%%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%* + * __ ______________ ____________________________________ % + % \ \_)____________/ A L L E Z L E S B L U E S ! ! ! * + * \ __________/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ % + % \ ________/ * + * \ _______/ Joe Ashkar % + % \ \ Contact for the Blues * + * \ \ SAINT LOUIS jca2@cec1.wustl.edu % + % (___) BLUES * + *%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*% +";13;True +"From: kbw@helios.ath.epa.gov (Kevin B. Weinrich) +Subject: Why do I need ""xrdb -m"" when .Xdefaults unchanged? +Organization: Computer Sciences Corp. +Lines: 38 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: helios.ath.epa.gov + +I'm having an X resource problem using Brian Wilson's wscrawl 2.0 +(a wonderful interactive conferencing program, by the way). I'm +running OpenWindows 3.0 on a SPARC 1+ under OS 4.1.3. I have +the following defaults in my .Xdefaults file (among many others): + wscrawl.telePointerName: Kevin + wscrawl.syncScrollbars: True + wscrawl.continuousTelePointer: True + wscrawl.showPointerCoordinates: False + wscrawl*background: LightBlue + wscrawl*swindow*foreground: yellow + wscrawl*draw_area_frame*foreground: Blue + wscrawl*keyboardFocusPolicy: pointer + +Naturally, I exited the server and restarted it after adding +those lines to .Xdefaults . + +If I run the following from a cmdtool (pwd = my home dir.): + xrdb -m .Xdefaults +and then start up wscrawl, then all those defaults are used +properly. Wonderful, yes? Except that I can't get them to be +operative except by *manually* invoking the afore-mentioned +xrdb command. If I try: + xrdb .Xdefaults +the defaults ""won't take."" + +So, I tried to change the xrdb call in my .xinitrc file from: + xrdb $HOME/.Xdefaults +to: + xrdb -m $HOME/.Xdefaults + +No go. So I tried adding in: + xrdb -m /home/kbw/.Xdefaults +at the beginning or end of my .openwin-init file. Still no go. + +Any notions what gives? Thanks for the help. +-- +Kevin Weinrich Computer Sciences Corp. +kbw@helios.ath.epa.gov +";12;True +"From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) +Subject: Re: Genocide is Caused by Atheism +Organization: sgi +Lines: 38 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: solntze.wpd.sgi.com + +In article <1qjf31$o7t@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de>, frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes: +|> In article <1qimbe$sp@fido.asd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes: +|> #In article <1qif1g$fp3@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de>, frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes: +|> #|> In article <1qialf$p2m@fido.asd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes: +|> #|> +|> #|> I forget the origin of the quote, but ""I gotta use words when I talk to +|> #|> you"". An atheist is one who lacks belief in gods, yes? If so, then +|> #|> it's entirely plausible that an atheist could dig Lenin or Lennon to +|> #|> such an extent that it might be considered ""worship"", and still be +|> #|> an atheist. Anything else seems to be Newspeak. +|> # +|> #Ask yourself the following question. Would you regard an ardent +|> #Nazi as a republican, simply because Germany no longer had a Kaiser? +|> +|> No, because that's based on false dichotomy. There are more options +|> than you present me. + +And that, of course, is the point. You can't simply divide the +world into atheists and non-atheists on the basis of god-belief. + +If all you care about is belief in a supernatural deity, and +have nothing to say about behaviour, then belief in a supernatural +being is your criterion. + +But once you start talking about behaviour, then someone's suscept- +ibility to be led by bad people into doing bad things is what you +are - I assume - worried about. + +And in that area, what you care about is whether someone is sceptical, +critical and autonomous on the one hand, or gullible, excitable and +easily led on the other. + +I would say that a tendency to worship tyrants and ideologies indicates +that a person is easily led. Whether they have a worship or belief +in a supernatural hero rather than an earthly one seems to me to be +beside the point. + +jon. +";9;True +"Subject: Re: Illegal Wiretaps (was Denning's Trust) +From: kubo@zariski.harvard.edu (Tal Kubo) +Distribution: inet +Organization: Dept. of Math, Harvard Univ. +Nntp-Posting-Host: zariski.harvard.edu +Lines: 33 + +In article <1ppg02$i2k@bigboote.WPI.EDU> +ear@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Mr. Neat-O [tm]) writes: +>> +>>It is apparently quite easy to get hold of a person's calling records +>>through the phone company. Police (and some lawyers) are able to acquire +>>such information without any warrant or judicial supervision, whether or +>>not the target is suspected of specific crimes. +> +>Pardon me, but isn't this very illegal? I was under the impression that a +>warrent *is* needed to get this information out of the phone company in +>order to protect people's privacy. + +Legal or not, I've seen it done. Phone records were obtained +in order to *establish* probable cause, rather than as a result of it. +In other words, for a fishing expedition. + + +> A local (Worcester, MA) police officer I +>spoke with only a couple of nights ago told me that they usually only +>subpeona the phone companies records in *extreme* conditions because it's so +>much of a hassle. + +And does the phone company require written, subpoena-able evidence +of probable cause in order to process the request? I suggest that +the officer was disinterested in pursuing your case -- even if you +could prove the offender had called you at a certain time, your +chances of winning a harassment suit on the strength of this evidence +are nil. My contact with several people who have dealt with cases +of extreme phone harassment (several thousand calls in one case) teaches +me that police in this area are quite lethargic about pursuing such matters. + + +Tal +";16;True +"From: brians@atlastele.com (Brian Sheets) +Subject: Looking for a filemanager under X11R5 +Organization: Atlas Telecom Inc. +Disclaimer: Views expressed do not necessarily represent those of my employer. +Lines: 9 + +Does anyone have a file manager that runs under UNIX/X11R5?? + + +brians +-- +Brian Sheets _ /| ""TRUCK?! What truck?"" +Support Engineer \`o_O' +Atlas Telecom Inc. ( ) -Raiders of the Lost Ark +brians@atlastele.com U +";12;True +"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) +Subject: Re: Armenians will not get away with the genocide of Azeri people. +Reply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) +Distribution: world +Lines: 47 + +In article enis@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (enis.surensoy) writes: + +>>From article <9304202021@zuma.UUCP>, by sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic): +>>Armenians will not get away with the genocide of 204,000 Azeri people. + +> On the contrary, Armenians will get away with the genocide of +> 204,000 Azeri people. + +> Armenians already got away with raping, torturing, and massacering +> millions of innocent Moslem peoples of Eastern Anatolia. + +Not this time, Enis. Furthermore, a new generation has risen - equipped +with a deep sense of commitment, politically mature and conscious, who +determinedly pursue the Turkish Cause, through all necessary means, +ranging from the political and diplomatic to the armed struggle. In +other words, what we have is a demand from the fascist government of +x-Soviet Armenia to redress the wrongs that were done against our +people. + + + ""The crime of systematic cleansing by mass killing and extermination + of the Muslim population in the Soviet Republic of Armenia, Karabag, + Bosnia and Herzegovina is an 'Islamic Holocaust' comparable to the + extermination of 2.5 million Muslims by the Armenian Government + during the WWI and of over 6 million European Jews during the WWII."" + (Tovfik Kasimov - Azeri Leader - September 25, 1992) + + + ""Today's ethnic cleansing policies by the Serbian dictatorship against + Croatians and Muslims of Yugoslavia, as well as the Soviet Republic + of Armenia's against the Muslim population of neighboring Azerbaijan, + are really no different in their aspirations than the genocide + perpetrated by the Armenian Government 78 years ago against the + Turkish and Kurdish Muslims and Sephardic Jews living in these + lands."" (Cebbar Leygara - Kurdish Leader - October 13, 1992) + + +Serdar Argic + + 'We closed the roads and mountain passes that + might serve as ways of escape for the Turks + and then proceeded in the work of extermination.' + (Ohanus Appressian - 1919) + 'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists + a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920) + + +";15;True +"From: kriss@frec.bull.fr (Christian Mollard) +Subject: Re: Looking For David E. Smyth +Reply-To: Christian.Mollard@ec.bull.fr +Organization: Bull S.A. Echirolles +Lines: 23 + +In article <1993Apr9.144859.10535@nynexst.com>, zvi@nynexst.com (Zvi Guter) writes: + +The author of Wcl (or the current care taker). His is the only name I found +in the dist tree. I have tried to mail him at: David.Smyth@ap.mchp.sni.de, +but the mail bounced back. +Any help in finding him will be greatly appreciated. + +Try + david@ap542.uucp + david%ap542@ztivax.siemens.com + + +Xtian. + + + / / Name: Christian Mollard / + / / __/ Email: C.Mollard@frec.bull.fr / + / __/ / __/ __/ Phone: (33) 76 39 78 92 / + / / / __ / __ / Bull: 229 78 92 / +__/ __/ __/ __/ _____/ _____/ Fax: (33) 76 39 76 00 / + / +Address: BULL S.A., B.P. 208, 38432 Echirolles Cedex, France / +____________________________________________________________________/ +";12;True +"From: markl@hunan.rastek.com (Mark Larsen) +Subject: Re: Ray tracer for ms-dos? +Organization: Rastek Corporation, Huntsville, AL +Lines: 32 + +In article <1r1cqiINNje8@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> tdawson@llullaillaco.engin.umich.edu (Chris Herringshaw) writes: +> +>Sorry for the repeat of this request, but does anyone know of a good +>free/shareware program with which I can create ray-traces and save +>them as bit-mapped files? (Of course if there is such a thing =) +> +>Thanks in advance +> +>Daemon + +There are 2 books published by M&T BOOKS that come with C source code on +floppies. They are: + +Programming In 3 Dimensions, 3-D Graphics, Ray Traycing, and Animation +by: Christopher D. Watkins and Larry Sharp. + +Photorealism and Ray Tracing in C +by: Christopher D. Watkins, Stephen B. Coy, and Mark Finlay. + +I have the first book and it is a great intro to 3-D, Ray Tracing and +Animation. Most of the programs are on the disk compiled and ready to run. + +I have only glanced at the second book but it also appears to be good. + +Hope this helps! +Mark Larsen + +--------------------------------------------------------------------------- +markl@hunan.rastek.com + +""This R2 unit has a bad motivator!"" + - Luke, Star Wars +";1;True +"From: bear@kestrel.fsl.noaa.gov (Bear Giles) +Subject: Re: Why the clipper algorithm is secret +Organization: Forecast Systems Labs, NOAA, Boulder, CO USA +Lines: 25 + +In article dfl@panix.com (Danny O'Bedlam) writes: +> The algorithm is classified because a military contract (or similar +>government equivalent to military) has been let for this ""proprietary"" +>design that the Feds say that NSA developed. Is there a patent? Is that +>patent publicly available? My betting is that that too is classified. + +Unless there has been a _major_ change in the law, there's no such beast +as a ""classified patent."" Patents exist to encourage communications and +develop the state of the art. + +(The 17-year lock is a nuisance, but historically has been pretty trivial. +It's only in an industry which doubles performance every three years (or +18 months, for some hardware) that 17 years is an eternity). + +The same thing applies in civilian development: you can't patent something +_and_ declare it a ""trade secret."" However, you can (and should) mark all +software (including proprietary code) ""unpublished copyright"" so that it +ever does get exposed you still have some legal protection. + +(Post-Berne this isn't required, since everything is ""born copyrighted."" +But it takes a while for people to learn the new rules). + +-- +Bear Giles +bear@fsl.noaa.gov +";16;True +"From: ray@engr.LaTech.edu (Bill Ray) +Subject: Re: The Bible and Abortion +Organization: Louisiana Tech University +Lines: 38 +Distribution: world,local +NNTP-Posting-Host: ee02.engr.latech.edu +X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] + +James J. Lippard (lippard@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu) wrote: +: Exodus 21:22-25: + +: 22 And if men struggle with each other and strike a woman with +: child so that she has a miscarriage, yet there is no further +: injury, he shall surely be fined as the woman's husband may +: demand of him; and he shall pay as the judges decide. +: 23 But if there is any further injury, then you shall appoint +: as a penalty life for life, +: 24 eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, +: 25 burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise. + +: The most straightforward interpretation of these verses is that if +: men in a fight strike a woman and cause her to miscarry, the penalty +: is only a fine. If, however, the woman is injured or dies, the +: *lex talionis* doctrine of ""an eye for an eye"" applies. This is the +: Jewish interpretation, and is supported by Jewish commentaries on +: these verses. +: This is quite an embarrassment for pro-lifer Christians, so there is +: of course an alternate explanation. The alternative interprets the +: word ""miscarriage"" to mean ""premature birth""--i.e., the child is born +: alive--and ""further injury"" to mean injury to either the woman or +: the fetus. This is not a straightforward interpretation, it is not +: (so far as I know) supported by any Jewish commentaries, and it does +: not appeared to be supported by any other part of the Bible. + +What if any, historical reference do we have to abortion at this time? Did +the ancient Jew have appropriate reference to understand abortion? (I am +truly asking, not making a point veiled as a question). If there is +little understanding of the medical procedure we know as abortion, it is +not surprising the Bible makes little reference to it, as it makes little +reference to nuclear power and contamination. + +While your interpretation is a reasonable one, I see no reason to reject +the other out of hand. The King Jimmy translation says ""if there is no +further mischief."" This does not necessarily imply to the woman. I know +if my wife we expecting and someone cause her to spontaneously abort, we +would feel that a life was truly taken, not simply a process halted. +";9;True +"Subject: roman.bmp 12/14 +From: pwiseman@salmon.usd.edu (Cliff) +Reply-To: pwiseman@salmon.usd.edu (Cliff) +Distribution: usa +Organization: University of South Dakota +Lines: 956 + + +------------ Part 12 of 14 ------------ +MAX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>' +MAX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>' +MAX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>' +MAX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>' +MAX>',<3$9@L+I:5'W]_?W]_?W]_?>GIZ*BJ[N[M>7EY>7EY>7@,#`P,#`P-> +M`P,#`P->*BHJ*KN[N[M>`P,#`P->NRHJ*BIZ1PMF,8>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>' +MAX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>' +MAX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>' +MAX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>'AX>' 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(especially vocabulary) +Organization: Bucknell University +Lines: 15 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: macf61.bucknell.edu + +I've recently ordered a Centris 650 and need to decide on which modem to +buy. I'm pretty sure I want to get a fax/data modem that can run at 14.4k, +but is it worth it? I'll primarily only be 'conversing' over CompuServe or +some other link to the Internet, but I'm not sure if those systems can +supply ME with data at 14.4k. Another question I have is in some of the +modem lingo out there. I understand baud rates, but what does V3.4 and +V3.4bis mean? I could really use some suggestions as to what a good modem +for around $300 would be, and why it would be a good choice. + +Thanks for your time. + +Dave Bell +dbell@coral.bucknell.edu + +""Those who forget the past are condemned to re-live it."" --Duncan MacLeod +";0;True +"From: smithw@col.hp.com (Walter Smith) +Subject: Re: Part 1 and part 2 (re: Homosexuality) +Organization: Colorado Springs IT Center +Lines: 23 +NNTP-Posting-Host: fajita19.cs.itc.hp.com + +hudson@athena.cs.uga.edu (Paul Hudson Jr) writes: +> In article rich.bellacera@amail.amdahl.com writes: +> +> >Why don't we just stick to the positive and find ways to bring people +> >to Jesus istead of taking bullwhips and driving them away? +> +> Certainly we should not use a bullwhip to drive people from Jesus. +> But we shouldn't water down the gospel to draw people in. + +Very well put. And, in the case of someone who calls himself a Christian +brother yet continues in his sin (and claims that his sin is not a sin at +all, but perfectly acceptable), what should be done? Should Christians +just ignore a sinful lifestyle in order to not offend the person? By +reaffirming that the lifestyle is sinful according to the Bible, are +they using ""a bullwhip to drive people from Jesus""? + +Frankly, I find the occurance of a homosexual Christian attempting to +pass himself off as a 'straight' Christian in order to have other +Christians accept his chastisement better a *lot* more serious than +people reaffirming that the Bible teaches homosexuality is a sin. + +Walter + +";19;True +"From: rsf@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (roberto.s.freire) +Subject: Fluke Scopemeter +Organization: AT&T +Lines: 14 + +Has anybody out there used/tested these new Fluke Scopemeters? +How do they compare to a low-end Tectronix oscilloscope? Are +there any big drawbacks about these handheld scopes when +compared to the benchtop scopes of the same price range +($1000-$2000)? + +Any info on the Fluke Scopemeters would be greatly appreciated. + +Thanks, + +Bob Freire +rsf@houxa.att.com + + +";11;True +"From: jmc@engr.engr.uark.edu (J. M. Carmack) +Subject: RE: Exploding TV +Nntp-Posting-Host: engr.engr.uark.edu +Organization: University of Arkansas +Lines: 21 + +Just a thought........Maybe it possibly has to do with the fact that it +IS an Emerson. I've got an Emerson VCR which is #6 in the series. Returned +it six times for various and never the same problems. Got tired of taking it +back and fixed it myself. The Hi-Fi ""window"" was a bit off. Something like +the Hi-Fi audio fine-tuning. When I was a Wal-Mart ""associate"" in '88-'89, +we had AT LEAST one returned as defective EVERY SINGLE DAY. How's that for +reliability? Face it--Emerson can make audio stuff (albeit not of premium +quality), but they CAN'T make anything as complex as video equipment with +reliability IMHO. Please, no flames. Just *had* to share my Emerson disaster +in the light of this exploding tv. +JC + + + +-- +-----------------+---------------+-------------+--------------+--------------- +La Vie -- C'est Une Plage! | ?Caffine Not Present Error | jmc@engr.uark.edu +This Message Printed on | Abort, Retry, Fail ? | +100% recycled electricity. | | Tangerine!! + + +";11;True +"From: nancie@neko.CSS.GOV (Nancie P. Marin) +Subject: Re: XCopyPlane Question +Organization: The Internet +Lines: 36 +NNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu +To: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu + +In article buzz@bear.com (Buzz Moschetti) write +>In article whaley@sigma.kpc.com (Ken Whaley) writes: +>> Actually, I must also ask the FAQ's #1 most popular reason why graphics +>> don't show up: do you wait for an expose event before drawing your +>> rectangle? +> +>Suppose you have an idle app with a realized and mapped Window that contains +>Xlib graphics. A button widget, when pressed, will cause a new item +>to be drawn in the Window. This action clearly should not call XCopyArea() +>(or equiv) directly; instead, it should register the existence of the new +>item in a memory structure and let the expose event handler take care +>of rendering the image because at that time it is guaranteed that the +>Window is mapped. +> +>The problem, of course, is that no expose event is generated if the window +>is visible and mapped. Do you know the best way to ""tickle"" a window so +>that the expose event handler will be invoked to draw this new item? +> + +What does this have to do with my original question??? I previously +stated that I did an XCopyArea of the depth-8 pixmap to the screen +just to make sure that my image had data, and it did. This is NOT +a problem with expose events, it has to do with XCopyPlane not +working!!! + +Does anyone have a code fragment they could send demonstrating that +XCopyPlane works??? This would be very helpful! + +Thanks! + + ---------------------------------------------------------------- + Nancie P. Marin NET: nancie@neko.css.gov + ENSCO Inc. MAIL: 445 Pineda Ct. Melbourne, Fl. 32940 + (407)254-4122 FAX: (407)254-3293 + ---------------------------------------------------------------- + +";12;True +"From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) +Subject: Re: <, keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes: +|> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes: +|> +|> [...] +|> >>The ""`little' things"" above were in reference to Germany, clearly. People +|> >>said that there were similar things in Germany, but no one could name any. +|> >That's not true. I gave you two examples. One was the rather +|> >pevasive anti-semitism in German Christianity well before Hitler +|> >arrived. The other was the system of social ranks that were used +|> >in Imperail Germany and Austria to distinguish Jews from the rest +|> >of the population. +|> +|> These don't seem like ""little things"" to me. At least, they are orders +|> worse than the motto. Do you think that the motto is a ""little thing"" +|> that will lead to worse things? + +You don't think these are little things because with twenty-twenty +hindsight, you know what they led to. + +jon. +";9;True +"From: sclark@epas.utoronto.ca (Susan Clark) +Subject: OOOPS! +Organization: University of Toronto - EPAS +Nntp-Posting-Host: epas.utoronto.ca +Lines: 18 + +Picture if you will, the Habs going into the last couple minutes of the +game, leading 2-0. The Nords get a power play, pull Hextall, and get +a goal. Bout a minute later, they get another one. Then they win in +overtime...... + +A bad dream?....... + +How's that Red Hot Chili Peppers song go... +""Give it away,give it away, give it away now...."" + +Oh well. Suppose I can always watch the Leafs win tomorrow night.... + (smilies.....) + +Am I the only female hockey fan in the world? + +Susan Carroll-Clark +sclark@epas.utoronto.ca + +";13;True +"From: tomb@hplsla.hp.com (Tom Bruhns) +Subject: Re: Looking for 900MHz Spread Spectrum Modules +Organization: HP Lake Stevens, WA +Lines: 12 + +butts@shocker.ee.twsu.edu (Ronald W. Butts, Jr.) writes: + +>I am looking for suppliers of 900MHz spread spectrum radio modules. I need +>to implement a two-way audio band link (essentially the guts of a cordless +>900MHz phone is what I want.) + +This isn't exactly audio, but take a look in ""RF Design"" magazine, +April 93, for the article ""A Robust Signaling Technique for Part 15 +RF Control Netowrk Applications."" Page 29. Sources of parts are +mentioned; in the same issue is an article that features a chipset +for the Digital European Cordless Telecommunications standard. + +";11;True +"From: aaron_bratcher@fpm.uchicago.edu (Aaron L. Bratcher) +Subject: Appletalk hookup? +Article-I.D.: fpm-mac-.aaron_bratcher-060493075518 +Organization: University of Chicago +Lines: 3 + +What ways are there to hook up to an appletalk network to use an Apple +LaserWriter? Is there a way I can use an AppleShare File Server also? The +less memory used the better. Thanks. Any help greatly appreciated. +";5;True +"From: bm967@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David Kantrowitz) +Subject: Can you share one monitor w/ 2 cpus? +Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) +Lines: 6 +NNTP-Posting-Host: slc4.ins.cwru.edu + + +I have a Centris 610 & want to get an IBM machine as well. +To save space on my desk, I would like to use one monitor +for both, with a switch-box. Does anyone know of a way to do +this? + +";0;True +"From: tim@kimba.catt.citri.edu.au (Tim Liddelow) +Subject: Keysym database problems +Keywords: X, Motif +Organization: CATT Centre at CITRI, Melbourne, Australia +Lines: 31 + +I am having problems with a Motif application that when run on another machine +(with different X paths, etc) can't find the XKeysymDB file. This causes a large +warning output: + +Warning: translation table syntax error: Unknown keysym name: osfActivate +Warning: ... found while parsing 'osfActivate:ManagerParentActivate()' +Warning: translation table syntax error: Unknown keysym name: osfCancel +Warning: ... found while parsing 'osfCancel:ManagerParentCancel()' +Warning: translation table syntax error: Unknown keysym name: osfSelect +Warning: ... found while parsing 'osfSelect:ManagerGadgetSelect()' +... +.... +.... +etc. + +as the file is in a different location, but Xt seems to only look for it in +the place where it is on the machine the app was compiled on. Is there any +way to read the XKeysymDB manually with an X/Xt call so that additions to +the XKeysymDB can be distributed with the application ? I have used trace(1) +to find out what was going on, but I need a fix so that these translations in +the application can be recognised. + +--tim +________________________________________________________________________________ + Tim Liddelow for(;;) fork(); + Systems Programmer + Centre of Advanced Technology in Telecommunications My brain on a bad day. + CITRI, Melbourne, Australia + internet : tim@kimba.catt.citri.edu.au + Phone : +61 3 282 2455 Fax : +61 3 282 2444 +________________________________________________________________________________ +";12;True +"From: WKWINKEL@ibm.rz.uni-passau.de +Subject: Re:color or Monochrome? +Organization: University of Passau - Germany +Lines: 14 +NNTP-Posting-Host: ibm.rz.uni-passau.de + +Walther, +I'd have a look at the maximum resolution the combination of the video card +and screen would have without flickering. I'd only suggest using the color +screen if it does 800*600 without flickering. If this is not too small for +your tastes at a 14"".... +Personally I'd prefer the mono-screen as I always have quite a few windows +open. If you only run one program at a time or rarely switch maybe the +color 'surplus' is worth trading in the smaller size. If you want to +develop programs you will always have to check the colors. I used a +14"" mono screen (worst of both worlds) and was surprised how the colors looked +I choose on a color screen. + +Regards, +Olaf Winkelhake +";6;True +"From: behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) +Subject: Re: Should liability insurance be required? +Organization: NEC Systems Laboratory, Inc. +Distribution: usa +Lines: 32 + +In article tcora@pica.army.mil (Tom Coradeschi) writes: +>In article <1993Apr14.125209.21247@walter.bellcore.com>, +>fist@iscp.bellcore.com (Richard Pierson) wrote: +>> +>> Lets get this ""No Fault"" stuff straight, I lived in NJ +>> when NF started, my rates went up, ALOT. Moved to PA +>> and my rates went down ALOT, the NF came to PA and it +>> was a different story. If you are sitting in a parking +>> lot having lunch or whatever and someone wacks you guess +>> whose insurance pays for it ? give up ? YOURS. +> +>BZZZT! If it is the other driver's fault, your insurance co pays you, less +>deductible, then recoups the total cost from the other guy/gal's company +>(there's a fancy word for it, which escapes me right now), and pays you the +>deductible. Or: you can go to the other guy/gal's company right off - just +>takes longer to get your cash (as opposed to State Farm, who cut me a check +>today, on the spot, for the damage to my wife's cage). + + The word is ""subrogation."" Seems to me, if you're willing to wait +for the money from scumbag's insurance, that you save having to pay the +deductible. However, if scumbag's insurance is Scum insurance, then you may +have to pay the deductible to get your insurance co.'s pack of rabid, large- +fanged lawyers to recover the damages from Scum insurance's lawyers. + + Sad, but true. Call it job security for lawyers. + +Later, +-- +Chris BeHanna DoD# 114 1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady +behanna@syl.nj.nec.com 1975 CB360T - Baby Bike +Disclaimer: Now why would NEC 1991 ZX-11 - needs a name +agree with any of this anyway? I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs. +";7;True +"Subject: Re: What do Nuclear Site's Cooling Towers do? +From: ganter@ifi.unibas.ch (Robert Ganter) +Organization: Institut fuer Informatik +Nntp-Posting-Host: schroeder.ifi.unibas.ch +Lines: 34 + +In article <1qlg9o$d7q@sequoia.ccsd.uts.EDU.AU> writes: +> +> +> I really don't know where to post this question so I figured that +> this board would be most appropriate. +> I was wondering about those massive concrete cylinders that +> are ever present at nuclear poer sites. They look like cylinders +> that have been pinched in the middle. Does anybody know what the +> actual purpose of those things are?. I hear that they're called +> 'Cooling Towers' but what the heck do they cool? +> I hope someone can help +> + +This is definitely the wrong newsgroup for this, but never mind. +Any machine powered by heat (motor, steam- or gasturbine, steamengine, +thermoelement,etc) work the better, the bigger the temperature difference +between input and output is. Because You never get all thermic energy out of +the powering medium (steam, burning gaz, etc), You have to eliminate the rest +of the energy to keep the efficency high. A thermal electric power plant (coal, +oil or atomic power) works just the same way. You heat water (steam) to power +the turbine and generators. Because You don't get the whole energy out of the +steam (efficency is never 100%) You have to cool down this steam again by +something else. Most power plants use cooling towers for this purpose (some +type of mega-refrigerator...). Others use water of a river (ecologically not +unobjectionable). Got it ? + +Cheers Robert (HB9NBY) +-- +Robert Ganter /------------\ +Universitaet Basel | I am a fan | +Institut fuer Informatik | of my plan | +Basel/Switzerland \------------/ +ganter@ifi.unibas.ch +amateurradio: HB9NBY packet: HB9NBY@HB9EAS.CHE.EU +";11;True +"From: mmb@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Michael Burger) +Subject: TEAM POOL - Tabulations +Nntp-Posting-Host: lamar.acns.colostate.edu +Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO 80523 +Lines: 40 + +Thanks for the 41 people who have entered this year's TEAM POOL. + +Here is a summary of what was picked: + +1st Round: +Pittsburgh 41, New Jersey 0 +Chicago 40, St. Louis 1 +Boston 40, Buffalo 1 +Vancouver 30, Winnipeg 11 +Calgary 27, Los Angeles 14 +Detroit 26, Toronto 15 +Washington 24, New York Islanders 15 (2 people picked New Jersey) +Quebec 23, Montreal 18 + +2nd Round: +Pittsburgh 38, Washington 2, New York Islanders 1 +Boston 31, Quebec 6, Montreal 4 +Detroit 21, Chicago 15, Toronto 5 +Calgary 18, Vancouver 14, Los Angeles 8, Winnipeg 1 + +3rd Round: +Pittsburgh 31, Boston 7, Quebec 2, Washington 1 +Detroit 18, Chicago 11, Toronto 5, Vancouver 3, Calgary 2, Los Angeles 2 + +Finals: +Pittsburgh 26, Boston 5, Detroit 4, Toronto 2, Quebec 2, Los Angeles 1, Chicago +1 + +Good luck to all! + + +******************************************************************************* +* Mike Burger * My Canada includes, Quebec, Ontario, * +* mmb@lamar.colostate.edu * the Maritimes, the Prairies, and Florida * +* A Beginning Computing TA Stud * four months a year. * +* over 500 students served * --Royal Canadian Air Farce * +******************************************************************************* +* University of Michigan - 1990 -- Colorado State University - 199? * +******************************************************************************* + +";13;True +"From: gwieman@unl.edu (Gary Wieman) +Subject: Cards sweep LA, Mets lose, Life is GOOD! +Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln +Lines: 28 +Distribution: world +NNTP-Posting-Host: unlinfo.unl.edu +Keywords: Cardinals + +Just a few lines about my favorite team sweeping the Dodgers (one of +my least favorite) in LA (Sweet!). Also the Mets (my other least +favorite team) loss to the Rockies made this this a great day and a +great start to the weekend as the Cardinals are on the ESPN tonight. + +Big Lee Smith is having a great start and the Cardinals seem to be +hitting in the clutch even though they have had a few games with lots +of hits and not many runs. Hopefully with the coaches stress on +situational hitting in spring training, the runners LOB will be lower +this year (probably due to the high strikeout numbers by Jose and +Lankford and Zeile's off year). + +I don't know why all the fuss about the Fillies. The media and all the +Filly fans on r.s.b forget who is right behind them in the standings. +Give the Wild Thing a week or two before he starts blowing some games +and we'll see who is in first then. I believe the Cardinal pitching +staff is more complete than the Filly staff and that will make the +difference. + +On a side note, a few years ago (5-6), a comment was made by some +baseball player or manager about the Dodger defense. He was asked +where to hit the ball against the Dodgers and he replied ""Fair."" I +remember it being in the ""They Said It"" section of Sports Illustrated. +I would like to know who said it and what issue it was in. + +GO REDBIRDS!! + +Gary Wieman +";14;True +"From: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) +Subject: Re: Gun Control (was Re: We're Mad as Hell at the TV News) +Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc. +Lines: 70 +Distribution: na +NNTP-Posting-Host: dale.handheld.com + +In article manes@magpie.linknet.com (Steve +Manes) writes: +> Jim De Arras (jmd@cube.handheld.com) wrote: +> : In article manes@magpie.linknet.com (Steve +> : Manes) writes: +> : [...] +> : > I don't know how anyone can state that gun control could have NO +> : > effect on homicide rates. There were over 250 >accidental< handgun +> : > homicides in America in 1990, most with licensed weapons. More +> : > American children accidentally shot other children last year (15) +> : > than all the handgun homicides in Great Britain. (Source: National +> : > Safety Council. Please... no dictionary arguments about RATES vs +> : > TOTAL NUMBERS, okay? They're offered for emphasis, not comparison). +> : > +> +> : You're a great debater. You chose your sources of information, claim them +> : to be superior. I'm not aware of using any numbers from the ozone, unless +you consider those I got from you to be such. +> +> I've made no such claim. Please direct my attention towards any +> posting of mine where I claimed superior sources of information. +> It's probably because I bothered to post any references at all while +> others seem content to post numbers pulled from the ozone, that +> you've confused it with fact-twisting. If so, I apologize. +> + +Yes, You state the reference, and then YOU claim it's a good or fair treatment. + +> : then take those twisted numbers and twist them further by trying +> +> Well then, here's fair opportunity for you to prove that I've ""twisted +> numbers."" On what grounds do you contradict those references? Do you have +> any citations... any sources of your own that I can take similar +> gratuitous shots at? +> + +You fail to see the differences between absolute numbers and rates. + +> : to compare absolute numbers between two countries that have major +population +> : differences, the USA and GB, and then whine that you are afraid someone +might +> : attack your process, and so claim the numbers are for ""emphasis, not +> : comparison""? Emphasis of what? +> +> Nitpicking and scolding is a whiney debating style, Jim. +> + +No, you just miss the point. By your methods, I can prove gun control to be a +total failure. New York's total homocide count, with it's strict gun control, +is MUCH higher than Rhode Island's, with it's less strict gun control. FAR +more folks are killed in New York, than Rhode Island. Therefore, according to +Mane Logic(tm), gun control has made New York a much more dangerous place than +Rhode Island. Remember, it's ""Nitpicking"" and ""a whiney debating style"" to +point out the differences between New York and Rhode Island that might defeat +my argument. + +> : Anything else is blowing smoke. +> +> You seddit, brudda. + +Now you agree? Wow, a break-through! +> +> -- +> Stephen Manes manes@magpie.linknet.com +> Manes and Associates New York, NY, USA =o&>o + + +-- +Jim +";3;True +"From: cgcad@bart.inescn.pt (Comp. Graphics/CAD) +Subject: RTrace 8.2.0 +Keywords: ray tracing +Nntp-Posting-Host: bart +Organization: INESC-Porto, Portugal +Lines: 83 + +There is a new version of the RTrace ray-tracing package (8.2.0) at +asterix.inescn.pt [192.35.246.17] in directory pub/RTrace. +Check the README file. + +RTrace now can use the SUIT toolkit to have a nice user interface. +Compile it with -DSUIT or modify the Makefile. +SUIT is available at suit@uvacs.cs.virginia.edu +I have binaries of RTrace with SUIT for SUN Sparc, SGI Indigo +and DOS/GO32. +Please contact me if interested. + +**************************************** + +The MAC RTrace 1.0 port is in directory pub/RTrace/Macintosh +Thanks to Reid Judd (reid.judd@east.sun.com) and +Greg Ferrar (gregt@function.mps.ohio-state.edu). + +**************************************** + +Small changes were done since version 8.1.0, mainly: + +1. Now it is possible to discard backface polygons and triangles + for fast preview... + +2. The support program scn2sff has been reworked to use temp files. + +**************************************** + +Here goes a short description of current converters from +CAD/molecular/chemistry packages to the SCN format. + +The package programs are related as below (those marked with * have been +modified) + + irit2scn + IRIT ----------------| + | NFF (nffclean, nffp2pp) + sol2scn | | + ACAD11 ---------------| | nff2sff + | | + mol2scn v scn2sff* v rtrace* + ALCHEMY -----------> SCN -----------> SFF ----------> PIC or PPM + ^ cpp | + pdb2scn | picmix + PDB -----------------| picblend + | ppmmix* + chem2scn | ppmblend* + CHEMICAL --------------| + | + 3ds2scn* | + 3D STUDIO --------------| + | + iv2scn* | + IRIS Inventor -----------| + +**************************************** + +The DOS port of RTrace is in pub/RTrace/PC-386 (rtrac820.arj, +utils820.arj and image820.arj). See the README file there. +Requires DJGPP GO32 DOS extender (version 1.09 included), which can be +found in directory pub/PC/djgpp (and in many sites around netland). +There are also demo scenes, manuals and all the source code... + +**************************************** + +Please feel free to get it and use it. +Hope you like it. + +Regards, +Antonio Costa. +......................................................................... + O O + / / I N E S C + | O | Antonio Costa | E-Mail acc@asterix.inescn.pt + | |\ | O | + | | \ | / O Comp. Graphics & CAD | DECnet porto::acosta + | | \| / / | + | | / | | Largo Mompilher 22 | UUCP {mcvax,...}!... + O | |-O | | 4100 Porto PORTUGAL | Bell +351+02+321006 + / \ / \ + O O O ""Let the good times roll..."" + + +";1;True +"From: mangoe@cs.umd.edu (Charley Wingate) +Subject: Re: Yeah, Right +Lines: 30 + +Benedikt Rosenau writes: + +>And what about that revelation thing, Charley? + +If you're talking about this intellectual engagement of revelation, well, +it's obviously a risk one takes. + +>Many people say that the concept of metaphysical and religious knowledge +>is contradictive. + +I'm not an objectivist, so I'm not particularly impressed with problems of +conceptualization. The problem in this case is at least as bad as that of +trying to explain quantum mechanics and relativity in the terms of ordinary +experience. One can get some rough understanding, but the language is, from +the perspective of ordinary phenomena, inconsistent, and from the +perspective of what's being described, rather inexact (to be charitable). + +An analogous situation (supposedly) obtains in metaphysics; the problem is +that the ""better"" descriptive language is not available. + +>And in case it holds reliable information, can you show how you establish +>that? + +This word ""reliable"" is essentially meaningless in the context-- unless you +can show how reliability can be determined. +-- +C. Wingate + ""The peace of God, it is no peace, + + but strife closed in the sod. +mangoe@cs.umd.edu + Yet, brothers, pray for but one thing: +tove!mangoe + the marv'lous peace of God."" +";9;True +"From: astein@nysernet.org (Alan Stein) +Subject: Re: Freedom In U.S.A. +Organization: NYSERNet, Inc. +Lines: 23 + +ab4z@Virginia.EDU (""Andi Beyer"") writes: + +> I have just started reading the articles in this news +>group. There seems to be an attempt by some members to quiet +>other members with scare tactics. I believe one posting said +>that all postings by one person are being forwarded to his +>server who keeps a file on him in hope that ""Appropriate action +>might be taken"". +> I don't know where you guys are from but in America +>such attempts to curtail someones first amendment rights are +>not appreciated. Here, we let everyone speak their mind +>regardless of how we feel about it. Take your fascistic +>repressive ideals back to where you came from. + +Freedom of speech does not mean that others are compelled to give one +the means to speak publicly. Some systems have regulations +prohibiting the dissemination of racist and bigoted messages from +accounts they issue. + +Apparently, that's not the case with virginia.edu, since you are still +posting. +-- +Alan H. Stein astein@israel.nysernet.org +";15;True +"From: mccullou@snake2.cs.wisc.edu (Mark McCullough) +Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is +Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison -- Computer Sciences Dept. +Lines: 19 + +In article <30136@ursa.bear.com> halat@pooh.bears (Jim Halat) writes: +>Atoms are not objective. They aren't even real. What scientists call +>an atom is nothing more than a mathematical model that describes +>certain physical, observable properties of our surroundings. All +>of which is subjective. +> +>-jim halat + +This deserves framing. It really does. ""[Atoms] aren't even real."" + +Tell me then, those atoms we have seen with electron microscopes are +atoms now, so what are they? Figments of our imaginations? The +evidence that atoms are real is overwhelming, but I won't bother with +most evidence at the moment. +-- +*************************************************************************** +* mccullou@whipple.cs.wisc.edu * Never program and drink beer at the same * +* M^2 * time. It doesn't work. * +*************************************************************************** +";19;True +"From: behnke@FNALF.FNAL.GOV (M.L. 'Broomen' Behnke) +Subject: Re: Electric power line ""balls"" +Article-I.D.: fnnews.1psrgl$6cb +Reply-To: behnke@FNALF.FNAL.GOV +Distribution: usa +Organization: Fermi National Accelerator Lab +Lines: 27 +NNTP-Posting-Host: fnalf.fnal.gov + +In article <1993Apr6.203237.20841@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov>, fsset@bach.lerc.nasa.gov (Scott Townsend) writes: +>I got a question from my dad which I really can't answer and I'd appreciate +>some net.wisdom. +> +>His question is about some 18-24"" diameter balls which are attached to +>electric power lines in his area. He's seen up to a half dozen between +>two poles. Neither of us have any experience with electric power distribution. +>My only guess was that they may be a capacitive device to equalize the +>inductance of the grid, but why so many between two poles?. +> +>Anyone know what they really are? Is there a related FAQ for this? +>Is there a better group to submit to? +> +>We'd both appreciate some enlightenment. +> + + The balls are used to reduce the amplitude of oscillations of the wire during +periods of high winds. I've seen what looks like paint cans filled with +concrete used for the same purpose. +Mike Behnke | Senior Tech/Advisor | Quid est illuidin aqua?? +Fermi Nat Accel Lab | Equipment Suuport | +Batavia, Il. | Computing Div | PISTRIX!! PISTRIX!! +BEHNKE@FNALF.FNAL.GOV | | + +My opinions are my own, not of the lab. So, if you don't like them, call + +1-800-UWH-INER +";11;True +"From: farley@access.digex.com (Charles U. Farley) +Subject: Where to get ATI card video drivers/fonts? +Organization: Express Access Online Communications USA: 800-546-2010 +Lines: 8 +Distribution: usa +NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net +Summary: Where to get ATI card video drivers/fonts? +Keywords: ati,windows + +Does anyone know where I can ftp or somehow else acquire the latest +video drivers /fonts for an ATI SVGA adapter? The only floppy I have +is for Windows 3.0. Does anyone know if ATI is still in business? + +Thanks! +-- +farley@access.digex.com +Average IQ of Calgary Board of Ed. Employee: 65 +";6;True